RE: (313) Juan Atkins officially awarded for the 'International achievment'
I have half a second, so let me say this... Anyone who knows me knows that I'm not shy about voicing an opinion, whether good or bad (and i think i spend a lot more personal time talking about things I like). Like most everyone, I'd say there's my online person, in-person person and professional person- each one being a little more polite than the one before. i still stand by what i said. i don't think other people had any business getting involved with fetroit/Michigan civics issues when they don't live in the place, come from that place, or know any of the factors involved. perhaps you think that my publicly declaring the reasons why juan shouldn't have been included with derrick and kevin were out of line. maybe it would have been enough to just tell people to mind their own business. if i was merely trying to 'expose' someone's dirty laundry or 'prove' how in the loop i am, i would have just spouted off right away. i didn't. i did hint that perhaps there was reasons for juan's exclusion, but evidentally some people can't take a hint. whatever- its just my opinion anyways. but nothing i said was private knowledge. it's all public. i'll admit that the way i said things were probably a little flame heavy (thats that on-line persona that most people have), but speaking up when i think something is wack is certainly a right i maintain, on this list, or in person, or (when it's acceptable), in the print. I don't think that to do my job properly, i have to constantly behave in a consistant manner in my personal life. when i put juan on the cover of urb, with derrick and kevin last year, it was to tell a 20 year old story that is worth repeating. but- perhaps perpetuating the 'big three', as all journalist in this field do, is what contributes to the widely held assumption that none of the individuals should be allowed to exist without the others. that's why i was sure to pose that question to them, in person, and then print the response. maybe i also feel that it is my personal responsibility to counter some of the 'myth making' that is inherent in my job, by stating the contrary in my other communications to the world. also- be aware that a lot of my more skeptical opinions of people comes from working with them on a professional level (or lack of) both as a journalist and before that as a promoter. i never have and never will air that dirty laundry in public as it usually involves other people's money. so i guess this has actually turned into my response in full to this debate. if anyone would like to further discuss this, please do it privately (unless you think it's something that would benifit the whole list. i'm the last person who should tell anyone to take things private.) have a good weekend all. On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Renegade808 wrote: i dont care who sides with who ...or who is in the cool click and who is not you would figure that someone who is in a position that josh is in then he would be ALOT more professional about what he say's in public forums...and i am sure this does wonders for him as a representative for URB... but i guess if these are the people URB wants to represent them then i guess thats on them.. i tend to get annoyed with alot of what josh says on this list or should i say trash talk.but i also disagree with others as wellahh well i guess thats what this list is aboutbut no need to blaintenly talk smack unless you would have the balls to say the same thing to that person, in personbut my guess is that most of the smack talk on this list would never get said to the person its about to there facemaybe thats the problem annoyed with the constant smack talk. michael i remember you and josh having 'discussions' on the list. i remember because i always side with him. ani p.s. see you d people at bandwidth : -Original Message- : From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : : ive been on here for nearing 4 years now, and i had no idea thats : who he was. and i read almost all 313 mail. : : tom
RE: (313) Juan Atkins officially awarded for the 'International achievment'
From: Renegade808 [EMAIL PROTECTED] you would figure that someone who is in a position that josh is in then he would be ALOT more professional about what he say's in public forums...and i am sure this does wonders for him as a representative for URB... but i guess if these are the people URB wants to represent them then i guess thats on them.. We are not our jobs. Just because Josh works for an techno-related publication, and this is a techno-related list, it doesn't mean that his posts on here in anyway represent his position or profession. It's not like he signs his emails Josh Glazer - Urb Magazine. And it's safe to assume that he makes nowhere near enough money to be willing to represent his employer 24/7. Back to the topic at hand, if it's purely based on contribution to local arts, let Juan share it. I just can't wait to hear what Eddie Fowlkes has to say about it. Anyone want to start a betting pool on how long it takes him to complain? _ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out!
Re: (313) Juan Atkins officially awarded for the 'International achievment'
lets all pitch in and buy eddie an award. we'll get josh and tom some awards too lets appease everyone at the same time go humans! -Joe :) - Original Message - From: Carissa Tintinalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:03 PM Subject: RE: (313) Juan Atkins officially awarded for the 'International achievment' From: Renegade808 [EMAIL PROTECTED] you would figure that someone who is in a position that josh is in then he would be ALOT more professional about what he say's in public forums...and i am sure this does wonders for him as a representative for URB... but i guess if these are the people URB wants to represent them then i guess thats on them.. We are not our jobs. Just because Josh works for an techno-related publication, and this is a techno-related list, it doesn't mean that his posts on here in anyway represent his position or profession. It's not like he signs his emails Josh Glazer - Urb Magazine. And it's safe to assume that he makes nowhere near enough money to be willing to represent his employer 24/7. Back to the topic at hand, if it's purely based on contribution to local arts, let Juan share it. I just can't wait to hear what Eddie Fowlkes has to say about it. Anyone want to start a betting pool on how long it takes him to complain? _ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out!
Re: (313) Juan Atkins officially awarded for the 'International achievment'
I think it's silly to compare - like saying who is more beautiul J Lo or Halle Berry or, um, Christy Turlington? Like saying who is the best rapper of all time - this person or this person. Art is not a sport. I don't think this is the place to play divide and conquer - even unwittingly. I very much doubt that there is any of that negativity. On a global level these awards, while symbolic, count for little - the records are the legacy and all three have made some incredible music and influenced many worldwide. No one can dispute that. i was keepin quiet, but this is a f**king travesty. what has juan done besides make some special records 20 YEARS AGO!!! derrick and kevin deserve this award, because they've put their time, energy and $$$ into making the Detroit festival happen. but no matter what they do, they'll forever be tied to juan- the man who couldn't even make his DEMF gig (and hundreds of other gigs) The man who as recently as this summer blew off throwing the opening pitch at a tigers game and i believe skipped the Metro times Motor City Music Awards after they flew him to Detroit to recieve a lifetime achievement award. Sure, the guy made some influential records. So friggin what. If I were Derrick or Kevin, i'd be disgusted, that after all their recent efforts, they still have to share the spotlight with a person who has done nothing to benifit the city in the past decade. All because some European idiots with too much time on thier hands and a collection of ancient texhno wax felt that made them experts on Detroit civics. friggin shame --- Hi Yussel... First let me say you that if you can keep polited your post, it will be more valuable and respectable. In place of a 'Stupid European', let me explain you why your post is a total non-sense. 1/ Since 20 years now, Techno music is submited to us 'stupid europeans' as a style invented and developped by Mr Juan Atkins, Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson. 2/ Money put into Movement by Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson is not the subject. Not anymore than Juan Atkins is present or not at some partys/events. 3/If you read carefully the letter writing for the guestbook in support to Juan Atkins,you will find the reach point of this support. Juan Atkins was excluded from this 'awards' due to his location. Not due to his participation or not to the Techno music in Detroit or anywhere in the world since twenty years or one year. 4/The recent efforts of Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson are totally respectable and we are (stupid europeans) in admiration on their job to keep Detroit Movement festival alive. Again, it's totally out of the subject. 5/They will be disgusted to share the award with Juan Atkins? Since the begining of Techno Music, they was not 'disgusted' to share the spotlight with the title of 'originators' and this title is certainly a part of their success and the 'international achievment'. Even if it's a minimal part. And again, BIG RESPECT to Juan Atkins, Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson. And I'd like to remember you that 'stupid europeans' have done a lot for Detroit Techno. Do you remember labels like Buzz Records, RS, Tresor, ... And they continue to do it. Majority of peoples who have signed the guestbook are europeans who keep Detroit techno at a high level in Europe. I don't know where you have finding any informations about our 'too much time in our hands'... But let me say you that it is not your problem. Please put your attention in your own life and not in our own life. Too, we are not only fans of 'ancient techno wax'... And we are not 'experts'... But we are supporters and fans of Detroit Techno and this give us the right to defend something we trust and for what we have passion and love. For your information, it's an american who have writing the letter in support to Juan Atkins. You have the right to don't agree with our action, but again I ask you only one thing. Be polited. 313 list is not a place for war between races or locations where you are from. A last word, I respect deeper all americans and all others on this planet. For me we are all the same, black, white, yellow, pink/green/orange if you want ! But some peoples have what we call the respect and the education some have not
Re: (313) Juan Atkins officially awarded for the 'International achievment'
On Sep 16, 2004, at 1:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've certainly never tried to hide my identity on this or any list. but whatever. Josh, as a writer for Urb covering so many detroit things you've also certainley never tried to SHOW your identity either. I was starting to perceive it as you were having it both ways, you were a known voice / reviewer for positivity and techno in Urb, but an anonymous sniper perched over 313 to be a nameless playerhater when you had some ill dirt on someone as soon as they were getting props from others. I just called it like i saw it. Maybe I'm crazy... if this is all my imagination i'm actually relieved that it's just some bizarre oversight in your communication technique all this time. Personally i'm a fan of direct accountability. i no wait- no one on this list reads anything except dan sicko and technotourist (no offence to either). nahh, if you think there's something great in urb, or WIRE, or XLR8R, or WaxPoetics, or KeepOn, or FutureMusic, or wherever else, tell the list! the articles you wrote about sound interesting.. feel free to plug them, post them online (if you have can, i know that's often not possible), they sound on topic to me. i let my subscription expire years ago when i felt Urb was going downhill... but you're totally right i haven't checked in lately. I always read the Scott Sterling bits back before it got more wide and RB stars were on the cover. I'm not anti Urb, i'm anti blanket tabloid-y Jerry Springer Show dissing of anyone you feel like hating on. I am anti- any music journalist who just thinks they have to be a bitter trash talker in order to be thought of as 'in the know', or worse, someone who has to trash talk in order to make us ignorant zombies look past the haze of blind fan-dom. Most of us here can. It just seemed to me like you're so dead set on debunking anyone genuine love for the music that you want to come after these artists for reasons that frankly I don't think that many people give a care about... I don't think 313 is a place for exposing all the warts you know and want everyone else to know, if it's irrelevant to the records and the music.. it seems like you feel it's your duty to keep trotting that stuff out as soon as someone is getting praised for something. it's like you think you're doing 313 some great service as a hard-hitting investigative reporter that will bring The Light down to us ignorant sycophant simpletons. I just wanted to tell you it's annoying to see it played out over and over. New day, different thread, but the same haytin. I think it's lame you just have also cast us all in a single brushstroke as not up for debate, not willing to criticize, that's a pretty oversimplified view... some of just have an internal ill hater regulation meter, where yours is apparently in need of a tune up. i'm sure you somehow think that your little college radio show somehow makes more of an impact than a national magazine that gives a consistant spotlight to underground music. all i can do is laugh, that's a good one! come one, we've met, it's funny you think i'd think that... I don't think i'm making an impact on sh!t except on how much of my paycheck I spend on bandwidth transfer each month.. ha. Frankly i have no delusions of making a differece beyond a fairly niche group of listeners in town and online, and while i'd love national impact, it's not my lifelong goal and I have no delusions of grandeur about what i'm doing. I'm a nobody! I like DJing and digging and the fact that i have an opportunity to share classic music I find interesting every week is something i do for free, and something i'm grateful I have a forum for, however miniscule it is. The site is basically just a ghetto blog for audio files. By contrast, Urb will always reach 10 million more people, if only because it's advertiser supported so it has funding so it has legs, reach, marketing, momentum. That's what it's for. That's why Urb exists. I'm not saying Urb doesn't have a right to exist, it fills a niche for what it is, and it's great people can have writing for Urb as a fulltime job, cause you're into music like we all are, but you're getting paid to write for it and that's awesome, actually, if you like what Urb is all about. Playing/unearthing/mixing records is, however, more fun to me than writing about them, but to each his own and I am glad there are both writers and DJs. And people who do both. But just so you know my show is making NO more than a tiny tiny difference, but one i'm into making, and that's a personal decision I'm comfortable with. I'm not chasing fame as a DJ (obviously! i missed that boat 10 years ago) and I think it's funny as hell anyone would think I am, especially in this country. I also know I could lose the radio slot at any time, so i try to make the most of it while I still can... Also - I'm
Re: (313) Juan Atkins officially awarded for the 'International achievment'
Hey. Don't want to start owt, or say owt, but I just wish the list could see a bit more 'Josh' and a bit less 'Yussel' really. If that makes any sense. Thanks Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) Juan Atkins officially awarded for the 'International achievment'
On Sep 17, 2004, at 7:03 AM, Matt MacQueen wrote: On Sep 16, 2004, at 1:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i've certainly never tried to hide my identity on this or any list. but whatever. Josh, as a writer for Urb covering so many Detroit things you've also certainly never tried to SHOW your identity either. I was starting to perceive it as you were having it both ways, you were a known voice / reviewer for positivity and techno in Urb, but an anonymous sniper perched over 313 to be a nameless playerhater when you had some ill dirt on someone as soon as they were getting props from others. I don't see Josh's mail (quoted by Matt) in either this Digest or the one preceding it. Did it get sent to the list, censored by the list, or did Matt respond publically to a private e-mail? (Bad Matt. No donut.) That said - I think Josh has used the same e-mail address ever since Day 1, that I'm aware of. I think accusing him of being a nameless playerhater given those circumstances is a bit Conspiracy Theorist. - Greg
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On Sep 17, 2004, at 10:57 AM, Greg Earle wrote: I don't see Josh's mail (quoted by Matt) in either this Digest or the one preceding it. Did it get sent to the list, censored by the list, or did Matt respond publically to a private e-mail? (Bad Matt. No donut.) no! Replying to private mail back to 313 is a huge violation of terms and I was extremely careful to check that. I replied to an email from Yussel/Josh that was addressed to me, and CC'd to 313 and Alex Bond. It's possible it made it to me and Alex, but not to 313 possibly the digest due to some filter.. ugh. If that is the case all I can hope is is that Josh re-posts it because I think everyone should read it as he intended to be expressed, not just the parts I quoted in my reply sorry josh... there's probably some obscenity filter or something, i have no idea how those were set up on hyperreal or what the bingo words are... ugh.. -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
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Matt MacQueen forwarded me yussel's reply to him, which was addressed to 313 as well as Matt directly. Why it didn't appear in the Digest is anyone's guess. Anyway, I just wanted to apologize to Matt, I didn't really think he would reply publicly to private e-mail, which is why I phrased it the way I did (asking which it was). We now return you to your Deep Space Radio listening, already in progress. - Greg (currently reminiscing about having seen The Ramones in 1977)
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-- Original Message -- From: Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] That said - I think Josh has used the same e-mail address ever since Day 1, that I'm aware of. I think accusing him of being a nameless playerhater given those circumstances is a bit Conspiracy Theorist. ive been on here for nearing 4 years now, and i had no idea thats who he was. and i read almost all 313 mail. tom andythepooh.com
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i didn't realize i was worth knowing. thoughtful debate on mr mcqueen's mail when i have time this weekend. On Fri, 17 Sep 2004, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: -- Original Message -- From: Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] That said - I think Josh has used the same e-mail address ever since Day 1, that I'm aware of. I think accusing him of being a nameless playerhater given those circumstances is a bit Conspiracy Theorist. ive been on here for nearing 4 years now, and i had no idea thats who he was. and i read almost all 313 mail. tom andythepooh.com
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i remember you and josh having 'discussions' on the list. i remember because i always side with him. ani p.s. see you d people at bandwidth : -Original Message- : From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : : ive been on here for nearing 4 years now, and i had no idea thats : who he was. and i read almost all 313 mail. : : tom
RE: (313) Juan Atkins officially awarded for the 'International achievment'
-- Original Message -- From: ani [EMAIL PROTECTED] i remember you and josh having 'discussions' on the list. i remember because i always side with him. big suprise there. tom andythepooh.com
RE: (313) Juan Atkins officially awarded for the 'International achievment'
i dont care who sides with who ...or who is in the cool click and who is not you would figure that someone who is in a position that josh is in then he would be ALOT more professional about what he say's in public forums...and i am sure this does wonders for him as a representative for URB... but i guess if these are the people URB wants to represent them then i guess thats on them.. i tend to get annoyed with alot of what josh says on this list or should i say trash talk.but i also disagree with others as wellahh well i guess thats what this list is aboutbut no need to blaintenly talk smack unless you would have the balls to say the same thing to that person, in personbut my guess is that most of the smack talk on this list would never get said to the person its about to there facemaybe thats the problem annoyed with the constant smack talk. michael i remember you and josh having 'discussions' on the list. i remember because i always side with him. ani p.s. see you d people at bandwidth : -Original Message- : From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : : ive been on here for nearing 4 years now, and i had no idea thats : who he was. and i read almost all 313 mail. : : tom
Re: (313) Juan Atkins officially awarded for the 'International achievment'
ok- i was keepin quiet, but this is a f**king travesty. what has juan done besides make some special records 20 YEARS AGO!!! derrick and kevin deserve this award, because they've put their time, energy and $$$ into making the Detroit festival happen. but no matter what they do, they'll forever be tied to juan- the man who couldn't even make his DEMF gig (and hundreds of other gigs) The man who as recently as this summer blew off throwing the opening pitch at a tigers game and i believe skipped the Metro times Motor City Music Awards after they flew him to Detroit to recieve a lifetime achievement award. Sure, the guy made some influential records. So friggin what. If I were Derrick or Kevin, i'd be disgusted, that after all their recent efforts, they still have to share the spotlight with a person who has done nothing to benifit the city in the past decade. All because some European idiots with too much time on thier hands and a collection of ancient texhno wax felt that made them experts on Detroit civics. friggin shame On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah! Well done! MEK
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20 years ago? please! if i read right, the award was for art, not business achievement. or philanthropy or civic duty. mirror mirror...who is the flamebaitiest of them all -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 15, 2004 7:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Juan Atkins officially awarded for the 'International achievment' ok- i was keepin quiet, but this is a f**king travesty. what has juan done besides make some special records 20 YEARS AGO!!! derrick and kevin deserve this award, because they've put their time, energy and $$$ into making the Detroit festival happen. but no matter what they do, they'll forever be tied to juan- the man who couldn't even make his DEMF gig (and hundreds of other gigs) The man who as recently as this summer blew off throwing the opening pitch at a tigers game and i believe skipped the Metro times Motor City Music Awards after they flew him to Detroit to recieve a lifetime achievement award. Sure, the guy made some influential records. So friggin what. If I were Derrick or Kevin, i'd be disgusted, that after all their recent efforts, they still have to share the spotlight with a person who has done nothing to benifit the city in the past decade. All because some European idiots with too much time on thier hands and a collection of ancient texhno wax felt that made them experts on Detroit civics. friggin shame On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah! Well done! MEK
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ok- Selon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: i was keepin quiet, but this is a f**king travesty. what has juan done besides make some special records 20 YEARS AGO!!! derrick and kevin deserve this award, because they've put their time, energy and $$$ into making the Detroit festival happen. but no matter what they do, they'll forever be tied to juan- the man who couldn't even make his DEMF gig (and hundreds of other gigs) The man who as recently as this summer blew off throwing the opening pitch at a tigers game and i believe skipped the Metro times Motor City Music Awards after they flew him to Detroit to recieve a lifetime achievement award. Sure, the guy made some influential records. So friggin what. If I were Derrick or Kevin, i'd be disgusted, that after all their recent efforts, they still have to share the spotlight with a person who has done nothing to benifit the city in the past decade. All because some European idiots with too much time on thier hands and a collection of ancient texhno wax felt that made them experts on Detroit civics. friggin shame --- Hi Yussel... First let me say you that if you can keep polited your post, it will be more valuable and respectable. In place of a 'Stupid European', let me explain you why your post is a total non-sense. 1/ Since 20 years now, Techno music is submited to us 'stupid europeans' as a style invented and developped by Mr Juan Atkins, Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson. 2/ Money put into Movement by Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson is not the subject. Not anymore than Juan Atkins is present or not at some partys/events. 3/If you read carefully the letter writing for the guestbook in support to Juan Atkins,you will find the reach point of this support. Juan Atkins was excluded from this 'awards' due to his location. Not due to his participation or not to the Techno music in Detroit or anywhere in the world since twenty years or one year. 4/The recent efforts of Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson are totally respectable and we are (stupid europeans) in admiration on their job to keep Detroit Movement festival alive. Again, it's totally out of the subject. 5/They will be disgusted to share the award with Juan Atkins? Since the begining of Techno Music, they was not 'disgusted' to share the spotlight with the title of 'originators' and this title is certainly a part of their success and the 'international achievment'. Even if it's a minimal part. And again, BIG RESPECT to Juan Atkins, Derrick May and Kevin Saunderson. And I'd like to remember you that 'stupid europeans' have done a lot for Detroit Techno. Do you remember labels like Buzz Records, RS, Tresor, ... And they continue to do it. Majority of peoples who have signed the guestbook are europeans who keep Detroit techno at a high level in Europe. I don't know where you have finding any informations about our 'too much time in our hands'... But let me say you that it is not your problem. Please put your attention in your own life and not in our own life. Too, we are not only fans of 'ancient techno wax'... And we are not 'experts'... But we are supporters and fans of Detroit Techno and this give us the right to defend something we trust and for what we have passion and love. For your information, it's an american who have writing the letter in support to Juan Atkins. You have the right to don't agree with our action, but again I ask you only one thing. Be polited. 313 list is not a place for war between races or locations where you are from. A last word, I respect deeper all americans and all others on this planet. For me we are all the same, black, white, yellow, pink/green/orange if you want ! But some peoples have what we call the respect and the education some have not
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Man, your mouth is big enough for two rows of teeth :) Why are you so bitter Yussel? Why all the personal attacks on people? Are you so perfect? Take it easy and stop hating on people - it's not very becoming. This kind of stuff doesn't really get my back up but it's kinda sad that the techno world always has turn in on its own and we wonder where the new people are... You could of course argue that without Juan, they wouldn't have got the award at all - think about it. pours Yussel another even larger brandy Easy Now Martin On 16 Sep 2004, at 00:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok- i was keepin quiet, but this is a f**king travesty. what has juan done besides make some special records 20 YEARS AGO!!! derrick and kevin deserve this award, because they've put their time, energy and $$$ into making the Detroit festival happen. but no matter what they do, they'll forever be tied to juan- the man who couldn't even make his DEMF gig (and hundreds of other gigs) The man who as recently as this summer blew off throwing the opening pitch at a tigers game and i believe skipped the Metro times Motor City Music Awards after they flew him to Detroit to recieve a lifetime achievement award. Sure, the guy made some influential records. So friggin what. If I were Derrick or Kevin, i'd be disgusted, that after all their recent efforts, they still have to share the spotlight with a person who has done nothing to benifit the city in the past decade. All because some European idiots with too much time on thier hands and a collection of ancient texhno wax felt that made them experts on Detroit civics. friggin shame
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Well Martin, there's no explaining to some people (sometimes because they're incapable of listening!) so best let it be, is my feeling. In 20 years time, and beyond, more people will remember Juan Atkins - despite his undoubted faults - than will remember some embittered young man. k On 16 Sep 2004, at 00:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok- i was keepin quiet, but this is a f**king travesty. what has juan done besides make some special records 20 YEARS AGO!!! derrick and kevin deserve this award, because they've put their time, energy and $$$ into making the Detroit festival happen. but no matter what they do, they'll forever be tied to juan- the man who couldn't even make his DEMF gig (and hundreds of other gigs) The man who as recently as this summer blew off throwing the opening pitch at a tigers game and i believe skipped the Metro times Motor City Music Awards after they flew him to Detroit to recieve a lifetime achievement award. Sure, the guy made some influential records. So friggin what. If I were Derrick or Kevin, i'd be disgusted, that after all their recent efforts, they still have to share the spotlight with a person who has done nothing to benifit the city in the past decade. All because some European idiots with too much time on thier hands and a collection of ancient texhno wax felt that made them experts on Detroit civics. friggin shame
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Yussell I take your point that none of us are experts on Detroit civics. There are some people on here more than qualify to comment on this, but they're decent people and probably don't believe this is stuff for a public email list. I agree. some European idiots How do you believe that the 'detroit techno economy' might stand up without the 'european idiots' that run labels, run clubs or just buy records? I think it might be f**ked, don't you? Certainly alot of American people tell me they don't sell hardly any records in America, or never get any decent paid gigs in America. And, lastly, re Juan. Isn't his job making music? As in it's his full time job? Does anyone talk s**t about what you do in your personal life outside work? In public? No, didn't think so, it's just not relevant is it? And we're not interested in your little hints, we would just like to hear his music thanks. Not what brand of f**king cereal he buys. It's a) none of our business, and b) just not interesting. I'm sure you feel real cool being in the know, but we don't give a f**k. We don't care. You stupid American skip-rat idiot. Kindest Regards Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) Juan Atkins officially awarded for the 'International achievment'
On Sep 16, 2004, at 7:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And, lastly, re Juan. Isn't his job making music? As in it's his full time job? Does anyone talk s**t about what you do in your personal life outside work? In public? No, didn't think so, it's just not relevant is it? And we're not interested in your little hints, we would just like to hear his music thanks. Not what brand of f**king cereal he buys. It's a) none of our business, and b) just not interesting. I'm sure you feel real cool being in the know, but we don't give a f**k. We don't care. Thank you alex. Yussell... this is Josh Glazer, right? You lived in Detroit, moved to LA, work for Urb? Yussell, can we just call you Josh... ? I think Josh Glazer thinks it's his role as a budding (or, do i have to say 'established') writer for Urb that in the true tabloid-y, over-reactive, back-biting biting world of getting a name for yourself as a dance music journalist. Where you think have to piss everyone off for awhile by saying ill-conceived poison so everyone think you have some sack as a writer with your own opinions. In some ways I admire that, but mostly I don't, and I get so tired of seeing it played out. I'd call you a victim of the system... (Urb, enough said?) but that would be letting you off too easy. I'm sorry but i just can't understand throwing dirt down on people like Claude and Juan for some personal decisions they've made in their lives when they've contributed so much great music. On a 313 list no less. Without Juan you wouldn't be writing about techno.. you'd quite possibly have a different career/interests altogether. There are probably some detroit techno artists who probably don't pay their child support, owe some people money for bad deals, and have a substance abuse problem or maybe don't always put on clean socks everyday JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE POPULATION has at some point. Juan's award was for his contributions to MUSIC, right?? If he doesn't most deserve it in techno, WHO DOES in America? I'm not saying let's elect him to office, i'm saying let's recognize his contributions to electronic music. Do you have to try and take that away from him? We all have dirty laundry, i guess you just think it's your job as a journalist to duty-bound diss and publically air other people's on 313. Not every ounce of haytin' that comes through your head needs to flow into your keyboard. Please consider these kind of things before you moan about them on 313. It never ceases to amaze me. I don't ask that you agree with me, I ask that you think before you so rush in to discredit others. -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
Re: (313) Juan Atkins officially awarded for the 'International achievment'
Yeah! Well done! MEK
