Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[robin]

I was gong to reply to this earlier but was going to say that most of  
these producer's idea of "techno" is more Timbaland than Juan Atkins.


I'd have guessed at some D&B, UK Garage and people like Dre/Timbaland/ 
Premier as influences to UK Dubstep producers.


Just a guess mind, but over here (UK) most young people view techno as  
of German original and most certainly not a music of black origin, as  
the MOBO awards neatly illustrate.


robin...


 (NB. I've had to edit this slightly to
protect the producer's identity):

From: xx
To: 
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:34 am
Subject: Re: x

I appreciate your kindness in offering me some  to listen to but
I actually really don't like techno music! So I doubt very much I
would be into it. Besides that I've avoided it this long I may aswell
keep at it, not hearing it won't do me any harm.

I come from a very commercial pop / hip hop / uk garage background, I
don't have the slightest clue about techno, 

Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Ciaran Walsh]

I agree with all this.  A couple of years back I wasted a bit of time
over at dubstepforum.com and the unwillingness of many posters back
then to listen beyond their genre was both laughable and depressing.
Two years on with all the cross-pollination that has occurred, those
ultra-partisan view seem especially absurd.  During one particularly
virulent thread where people were getting stuck into techno from all
angles, I got curious and PM'd one very big-name producer/dj within
the dubstep scene (who shall remain anonymous as the correspondence
was private), who was participating enthusiastically within the
thread, to ask whether he'd ever listened to any of the techno that
was being so noisily disparaged.  I even offered to lend him my copies
of a couple of techno cds that i though might be of interest,
especially from the perspective of different bass sounds.  He
responded almost straightaway (NB. I've had to edit this slightly to
protect the producer's identity):

From: xx
 To: 
 Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:34 am
 Subject: Re: x

 Hi..

just a few points.



I appreciate your kindness in offering me some  to listen to but
I actually really don't like techno music! So I doubt very much I
would be into it. Besides that I've avoided it this long I may aswell
keep at it, not hearing it won't do me any harm.

I come from a very commercial pop / hip hop / uk garage background, I
don't have the slightest clue about techno, 

Thanks for your time,





c.









On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On 31 Mar 2008, at 09:31, Robert Taylor wrote:
> > Serious - a lot of dubstep producers seem to have been raised in
> > quite a
> > hermetic environment with limited influences - it's only now that
> > they've been made aware of other genres and the sound has converged
> > with
> > other genres in some instances - Benga's latest material is very
> > techno
>
> I can concur with this, if you mention Hood/Mills/Juan/UR/May etc to
> them you'll get nothing but blank stares.
>
> Benga's new album is very good and highly recommended
>
> m
>

Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Martin Dust]

On 31 Mar 2008, at 09:31, Robert Taylor wrote:
Serious - a lot of dubstep producers seem to have been raised in  
quite a

hermetic environment with limited influences - it's only now that
they've been made aware of other genres and the sound has converged  
with
other genres in some instances - Benga's latest material is very  
techno


I can concur with this, if you mention Hood/Mills/Juan/UR/May etc to  
them you'll get nothing but blank stares.


Benga's new album is very good and highly recommended

m

RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Toby Frith]

Most of the 1st wave of dubstep producers were centred around one shop, Big 
Apple Records in Croydon. They sold techno, and were closely associated with 
London techno night Lost, but it was UK garage that sold the most, and that's 
the big influence.

The thought that they're all fans of Basic Channel and Chain Reaction is 
misguided.




-Original Message-
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Sent: 31 March 2008 09:32
To: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)


Serious - a lot of dubstep producers seem to have been raised in quite a
hermetic environment with limited influences - it's only now that
they've been made aware of other genres and the sound has converged with
other genres in some instances - Benga's latest material is very techno


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-Original Message-
From: Joel Gajewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28 March 2008 22:17
To: Robert Taylor; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)

Are you messing with me or are you serious?  I would assume that a guy
in the music producing industry would have seen at least one copy of
Sheet One or Musik.  Just my opinion.  I wasn't listening to dance music
when Sheet One came out, but I saw it in the stores and thought 'wow,
someone used a sheet of blotter as a cd cover."  Then, there was the
whole arrest of the kid that had the cd in his car when he was pulled
over in Arizona.  *shrug


- Original Message 
From: Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Joel Gajewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:38:54 AM
Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)

He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him? He's
not exactly famous 


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-Original Message-
From: Joel Gajewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 March 2008 16:29
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)


Plasticman tried to claim that he had never heard of Plastikman in an
early interview a few years ago.  :rollseyes:  Sure, buddy.  

"I'm Plasticman, with a 'C' though.  It's different."

hahaha

BTW, I have a new band that I just started, Ziggy and the Stoojes.  


What?  


- Original Message 
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Cc: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:52:57 AM
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)

On Mar 28, 2008, at 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Plastic man vs Plastikman

Plasticman changed his name to Plastician.

> AS1 vs As One


I think there is a case for the pronunciation of that as Ay Ess One.

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RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Robert Taylor]

Serious - a lot of dubstep producers seem to have been raised in quite a
hermetic environment with limited influences - it's only now that
they've been made aware of other genres and the sound has converged with
other genres in some instances - Benga's latest material is very techno


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-Original Message-
From: Joel Gajewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28 March 2008 22:17
To: Robert Taylor; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)

Are you messing with me or are you serious?  I would assume that a guy
in the music producing industry would have seen at least one copy of
Sheet One or Musik.  Just my opinion.  I wasn't listening to dance music
when Sheet One came out, but I saw it in the stores and thought 'wow,
someone used a sheet of blotter as a cd cover."  Then, there was the
whole arrest of the kid that had the cd in his car when he was pulled
over in Arizona.  *shrug


- Original Message 
From: Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Joel Gajewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:38:54 AM
Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)

He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him? He's
not exactly famous 


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-Original Message-
From: Joel Gajewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 March 2008 16:29
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)


Plasticman tried to claim that he had never heard of Plastikman in an
early interview a few years ago.  :rollseyes:  Sure, buddy.  

"I'm Plasticman, with a 'C' though.  It's different."

hahaha

BTW, I have a new band that I just started, Ziggy and the Stoojes.  


What?  


- Original Message 
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Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)

On Mar 28, 2008, at 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Plastic man vs Plastikman

Plasticman changed his name to Plastician.

> AS1 vs As One


I think there is a case for the pronunciation of that as Ay Ess One.

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Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Kowalsky]

We often can see producers, moved by trendy approaches, do bad music.  
This same trendy superficiality often results in choosing trendy names.
But it's not always true. It's just common. We have great wonderful  
records in not very well done or graphically interesting covers.  
Sometimes because the artist really don't care about it. It turns to  
be a secondary thing. Ok.
A good artist may imprint the same capabilities that makes him do  
good music in the making of a graphically interesting cover, or in  
choosing a non-stupid-trendy pseudonym. As i said, after agreeing  
with you, sometimes.


Kw

On 29/03/2008, at 00:36, /0 wrote:

ok, I take back ridiculous and apologize.  I generally respect what  
you say on the list.  if you care to, please explain the comment  
that I disagreed with.



- Original Message - From: "Kowalsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "[313]" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,  
Miami)



It's perfectly possible to qualify in the large majority of  
sequenced music producers of today.

What is ridiculous is your arrogance and your lack of argumentation.

On 28/03/2008, at 20:35, /0 wrote:


that statement is both ridiculous and impossible to qualify.

- Original Message - From: "Kowalsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "[313]" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something  
Simple, Miami)




No.
But sometimes the same reason that makes the music sound good  
is  the reason that makes the producer NOT choose a stupid name.

Kw
On 28/03/2008, at 18:35, /0 wrote:
so does the music sound better if the producer has a  
supercool!  name?


- Original Message - From: "Robert Taylor"  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Matt Kane's Brain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Joel Gajewski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;   
<313@hyperreal.org>

Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something   
Simple, Miami)



Techno/electronic artists aren't known for their imagination -  
it's
always been a bugbear of mine - too many techno artists give  
themselves

predictable sci-fi name and track titles


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-Original Message-
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Sent: 28 March 2008 16:45
To: Robert Taylor
Cc: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)

On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote:
He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of  
him?

He's
not exactly famous



And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists   
with the
same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either  
UR  or Sub
Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one),  
(the

Detroit one), or (the irritating one).

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Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[/0]

ok, I take back ridiculous and apologize.  I generally respect what you say 
on the list.  if you care to, please explain the comment that I disagreed 
with.



- Original Message - 
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To: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "[313]" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)


It's perfectly possible to qualify in the large majority of sequenced 
music producers of today.

What is ridiculous is your arrogance and your lack of argumentation.

On 28/03/2008, at 20:35, /0 wrote:


that statement is both ridiculous and impossible to qualify.

- Original Message - From: "Kowalsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "[313]" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, 
Miami)




No.
But sometimes the same reason that makes the music sound good is  the 
reason that makes the producer NOT choose a stupid name.

Kw
On 28/03/2008, at 18:35, /0 wrote:

so does the music sound better if the producer has a supercool!  name?

- Original Message - From: "Robert Taylor" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Matt Kane's Brain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Joel Gajewski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;  <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something  Simple, 
Miami)



Techno/electronic artists aren't known for their imagination - it's
always been a bugbear of mine - too many techno artists give 
themselves

predictable sci-fi name and track titles


Rob Taylor
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Sent: 28 March 2008 16:45
To: Robert Taylor
Cc: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)

On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote:

He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him?
He's
not exactly famous



And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists  with the
same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either UR  or Sub
Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one), (the
Detroit one), or (the irritating one).

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Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Kowalsky]

Techno is one among many influences in the dubstep sound. I would not  
call the influence of techno "second hand". Well it's an influence,  
not a copy/paste thing. Influences are not supposed to be identical,  
mimetic. Are supposed to be "filtered", processed, and, sometimes,  
yes, distorted. I don't really know what techno should be. I know  
something concerning to what techno was, and is. Because it's surely  
more than i know of it.
I don't know if dubstep producers get their techno flavour from  
american or european techno. Probabaly from the european (minimal?)  
techno and from the uk hardcore techno and rave culture passing on  
seamlessly over and over. I don't think they took influences directly  
from the roots of detroit techno - most of these producers are kids.  
But the techno flavour is there, anyway. Blended in a dub modus  
operandi. Just listen to Geiom's "Overnight Biscuits" or to Digital  
Mysticz's "Neverland".


Kw

On 28/03/2008, at 22:21, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Kowalsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

In the actual drum n' bass scene, i totally agree with you.
 But in dubstep, if you listen closely, putting the formulaic
 parachuters aside, you'll find influences of dub (of course) techno,
 oriental progressions, jazz, soul, various types of tribal
 percussions, dancehall and hip-hop.


to my ears, when i hear the music i dont hear any of that stuff (aside
from the gratuitous "oriental" thing that was popular for a while)
especially compared to when the music was just 2-step.


 If what you're really saying is that the majority of style followers
 take influences only of that style itself, i agree. It happens in  
all

 styles, including techno and house.


i feel like you will always have subsets of techno and house music
influenced by disco, jazz, latin music, r+b, etc. and of course they
mix it up, too. in dubstep it seems to be largely trend hopping in its
influences, and they always seem to be more second hand than direct.
for example, all this talk about techno influencing dubstep hasnt
produced much that really sounds like techno in any way. it is like
some distorted idea of what techno should be.


 Due to their popularization as club music, the number of generic,
 functional and unexpressive tunes we can find, comming from techno
 and house areas, are like the number of grains of sand in a beach.


well of course there are tons of nonsense releases in the genres that
have been around for 20 years, i just tend to completely ignore them
;)

tom

Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Kowalsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In the actual drum n' bass scene, i totally agree with you.
>  But in dubstep, if you listen closely, putting the formulaic
>  parachuters aside, you'll find influences of dub (of course) techno,
>  oriental progressions, jazz, soul, various types of tribal
>  percussions, dancehall and hip-hop.

to my ears, when i hear the music i dont hear any of that stuff (aside
from the gratuitous "oriental" thing that was popular for a while)
especially compared to when the music was just 2-step.

>  If what you're really saying is that the majority of style followers
>  take influences only of that style itself, i agree. It happens in all
>  styles, including techno and house.

i feel like you will always have subsets of techno and house music
influenced by disco, jazz, latin music, r+b, etc. and of course they
mix it up, too. in dubstep it seems to be largely trend hopping in its
influences, and they always seem to be more second hand than direct.
for example, all this talk about techno influencing dubstep hasnt
produced much that really sounds like techno in any way. it is like
some distorted idea of what techno should be.

>  Due to their popularization as club music, the number of generic,
>  functional and unexpressive tunes we can find, comming from techno
>  and house areas, are like the number of grains of sand in a beach.

well of course there are tons of nonsense releases in the genres that
have been around for 20 years, i just tend to completely ignore them
;)

tom

Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Kowalsky]

In the actual drum n' bass scene, i totally agree with you.
But in dubstep, if you listen closely, putting the formulaic  
parachuters aside, you'll find influences of dub (of course) techno,  
oriental progressions, jazz, soul, various types of tribal  
percussions, dancehall and hip-hop.
If what you're really saying is that the majority of style followers  
take influences only of that style itself, i agree. It happens in all  
styles, including techno and house.
Due to their popularization as club music, the number of generic,  
functional and unexpressive tunes we can find, comming from techno  
and house areas, are like the number of grains of sand in a beach.


Kw

On 28/03/2008, at 20:33, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote:


On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Joel Gajewski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Are you messing with me or are you serious?  I would assume that a  
guy in the music
producing industry would have seen at least one copy of Sheet One  
or Musik.  Just my
opinion.  I wasn't listening to dance music when Sheet One came  
out, but I saw it in the
stores and thought 'wow, someone used a sheet of blotter as a cd  
cover."  Then, there was
the whole arrest of the kid that had the cd in his car when he was  
pulled over in Arizona.

*shrug


you should never underestimate peoples' ignorance. especially not in
the modern drum and bass or dubstep scenes in which all influences
seem to come from within their own genre, knowledge of music history
seems to be completely lost on them.

tom

Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Kowalsky]

It's perfectly possible to qualify in the large majority of sequenced  
music producers of today.

What is ridiculous is your arrogance and your lack of argumentation.

On 28/03/2008, at 20:35, /0 wrote:


that statement is both ridiculous and impossible to qualify.

- Original Message - From: "Kowalsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "[313]" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,  
Miami)




No.
But sometimes the same reason that makes the music sound good is  
the  reason that makes the producer NOT choose a stupid name.

Kw
On 28/03/2008, at 18:35, /0 wrote:
so does the music sound better if the producer has a supercool!  
name?


- Original Message - From: "Robert Taylor"   
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Matt Kane's Brain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Joel Gajewski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;  
<313@hyperreal.org>

Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something  
Simple,  Miami)



Techno/electronic artists aren't known for their imagination - it's
always been a bugbear of mine - too many techno artists give   
themselves

predictable sci-fi name and track titles


Rob Taylor
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-Original Message-
From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 March 2008 16:45
To: Robert Taylor
Cc: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)

On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote:

He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him?
He's
not exactly famous



And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists  
with the
same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either UR  
or Sub

Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one), (the
Detroit one), or (the irritating one).

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Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[/0]

coming from you tom, thats a seal of approval. 


I wont let you down


- Original Message - 
From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)



On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 6:35 PM, /0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

that statement is both ridiculous and impossible to qualify.


much like everything you say!

tom

Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 6:35 PM, /0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> that statement is both ridiculous and impossible to qualify.

much like everything you say!

tom

Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[/0]

that statement is both ridiculous and impossible to qualify.

- Original Message - 
From: "Kowalsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "[313]" <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)



No.
But sometimes the same reason that makes the music sound good is the  
reason that makes the producer NOT choose a stupid name.


Kw

On 28/03/2008, at 18:35, /0 wrote:


so does the music sound better if the producer has a supercool! name?

- Original Message - From: "Robert Taylor"  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Matt Kane's Brain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Joel Gajewski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,  
Miami)



Techno/electronic artists aren't known for their imagination - it's
always been a bugbear of mine - too many techno artists give  
themselves

predictable sci-fi name and track titles


Rob Taylor
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-Original Message-
From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 March 2008 16:45
To: Robert Taylor
Cc: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)

On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote:

He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him?
He's
not exactly famous



And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists with the
same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either UR or Sub
Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one), (the
Detroit one), or (the irritating one).

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Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Thomas D. Cox, Jr.]

On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Joel Gajewski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are you messing with me or are you serious?  I would assume that a guy in the 
> music
> producing industry would have seen at least one copy of Sheet One or Musik.  
> Just my
> opinion.  I wasn't listening to dance music when Sheet One came out, but I 
> saw it in the
> stores and thought 'wow, someone used a sheet of blotter as a cd cover."  
> Then, there was
> the whole arrest of the kid that had the cd in his car when he was pulled 
> over in Arizona.
> *shrug

you should never underestimate peoples' ignorance. especially not in
the modern drum and bass or dubstep scenes in which all influences
seem to come from within their own genre, knowledge of music history
seems to be completely lost on them.

tom

Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Kowalsky]

No.
But sometimes the same reason that makes the music sound good is the  
reason that makes the producer NOT choose a stupid name.


Kw

On 28/03/2008, at 18:35, /0 wrote:


so does the music sound better if the producer has a supercool! name?

- Original Message - From: "Robert Taylor"  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Matt Kane's Brain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Joel Gajewski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,  
Miami)



Techno/electronic artists aren't known for their imagination - it's
always been a bugbear of mine - too many techno artists give  
themselves

predictable sci-fi name and track titles


Rob Taylor
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-Original Message-
From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 March 2008 16:45
To: Robert Taylor
Cc: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)

On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote:

He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him?
He's
not exactly famous



And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists with the
same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either UR or Sub
Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one), (the
Detroit one), or (the irritating one).

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Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Joel Gajewski]

Are you messing with me or are you serious?  I would assume that a guy in the 
music producing industry would have seen at least one copy of Sheet One or 
Musik.  Just my opinion.  I wasn't listening to dance music when Sheet One came 
out, but I saw it in the stores and thought 'wow, someone used a sheet of 
blotter as a cd cover."  Then, there was the whole arrest of the kid that had 
the cd in his car when he was pulled over in Arizona.  *shrug


- Original Message 
From: Robert Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Joel Gajewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:38:54 AM
Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him? He's
not exactly famous 


Rob Taylor
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-Original Message-
From: Joel Gajewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28 March 2008 16:29
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)


Plasticman tried to claim that he had never heard of Plastikman in an
early interview a few years ago.  :rollseyes:  Sure, buddy.  

"I'm Plasticman, with a 'C' though.  It's different."

hahaha

BTW, I have a new band that I just started, Ziggy and the Stoojes.  


What?  


- Original Message 
From: Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:52:57 AM
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)

On Mar 28, 2008, at 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Plastic man vs Plastikman

Plasticman changed his name to Plastician.

> AS1 vs As One


I think there is a case for the pronunciation of that as Ay Ess One.

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RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Michael Kuszynski]

i personally generally get turned off by made up names that are in no
way referential to the artist. like a gimmick. although i guess record
sleeves or label names are gimmicks too.

On 3/28/08, /0 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> so does the music sound better if the producer has a supercool! name?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Robert Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Matt Kane's Brain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Joel Gajewski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:51 PM
> Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)
>
>
> Techno/electronic artists aren't known for their imagination - it's
> always been a bugbear of mine - too many techno artists give themselves
> predictable sci-fi name and track titles
>
>
> Rob Taylor
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> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 28 March 2008 16:45
> To: Robert Taylor
> Cc: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
> Miami)
>
> On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote:
> > He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him?
> > He's
> > not exactly famous
>
>
> And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists with the
> same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either UR or Sub
> Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one), (the
> Detroit one), or (the irritating one).
>
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Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[/0]

so does the music sound better if the producer has a supercool! name?

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Matt Kane's Brain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Joel Gajewski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)


Techno/electronic artists aren't known for their imagination - it's
always been a bugbear of mine - too many techno artists give themselves
predictable sci-fi name and track titles


Rob Taylor
VT Librarian
x8599
Hatch Desk x1088
VT Library Users' Guide

-Original Message-
From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 28 March 2008 16:45
To: Robert Taylor
Cc: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)

On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote:

He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him?
He's
not exactly famous



And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists with the
same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either UR or Sub
Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one), (the
Detroit one), or (the irritating one).

--
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Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Alex Lugo]

Those are his intitials, so I don't know if that trumps words. :)

- Original Message 
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 11:45:57 AM
Subject: RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

AS1?

there should be a battle off for use of name

Plastic man vs Plastikman
AS1 vs As One

any others?


tangents tangents all around
MEK

"Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/28/2008 10:28:59 AM:

> That reminds me ...
>
> http://www.isophlux.net/events.html
>
> If you just so happen to be in Miami this weekend (or even if you can
> get there) this 313 hued line-up looks more than interesting.
>
> Ken
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alex Lugo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:00 PM
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: (313) venting
>
>
> I'm on for the Pure Entertainment Value. :)
>
> Is there any way to resend all of the emails from the 3 months leading
> to the fest of the past few years so everyone can see the silliness of
> it all?
>
> Rehash, rehash, rehash. ;)
>
> Peace,
> Alex
>
>
>
> P.S. It will never get as bad the WMC, but they're trying!
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:55:36 AM
> Subject: RE: (313) venting
>
> I'd just like to point out that half of that stuff was actually on
> topic.
>
> . I was getting my coat anyway 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 2:49 PM
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: (313) venting
>
>
> so, after finding out that josh wink is cack, movement 08 is not like
> demf but peeps are going anyway, and the wire is the best tv show in the
> western hemisphere, is there any new music out that is worth checking
> out?
>
> sometimes i think the only reason i still am subbed on this list after 7
> years is for the excellent mixes that get posted
>
> sorry, but i had to vent
>
> fab
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
> Looking for last minute shopping deals?
> Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping






  

Looking for last minute shopping deals?  
Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.  
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Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

nope
just one man, a drum machine, and his bluetooth

MEK

"Matt Kane's Brain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/28/2008
12:09:50 PM:

> If it's a joint venture between Jean-Luc De Meyer, Dietrich
> Schoenemann, and Thomas de Quincy, that's fine.
>
> On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > What's wrong with Cybertronic 909?
> >
>
> --
> matt kane's brain
> http://hydrogenproject.com
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>

Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Matt Kane's Brain]

If it's a joint venture between Jean-Luc De Meyer, Dietrich  
Schoenemann, and Thomas de Quincy, that's fine.


On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


What's wrong with Cybertronic 909?



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RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

What's wrong with Cybertronic 909?

MEK

"Robert Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/28/2008 11:51:00 AM:

> Techno/electronic artists aren't known for their imagination - it's
> always been a bugbear of mine - too many techno artists give themselves
> predictable sci-fi name and track titles
>
>
> Rob Taylor
> VT Librarian
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 28 March 2008 16:45
> To: Robert Taylor
> Cc: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
> Miami)
>
> On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote:
> > He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him?
> > He's
> > not exactly famous
>
>
> And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists with the
> same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either UR or Sub
> Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one), (the
> Detroit one), or (the irritating one).
>
> --
> matt kane's brain
> http://hydrogenproject.com
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Robert Taylor]

Techno/electronic artists aren't known for their imagination - it's
always been a bugbear of mine - too many techno artists give themselves
predictable sci-fi name and track titles 


Rob Taylor
VT Librarian
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-Original Message-
From: Matt Kane's Brain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28 March 2008 16:45
To: Robert Taylor
Cc: Joel Gajewski; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)

On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote:
> He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him?  
> He's
> not exactly famous


And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists with the
same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either UR or Sub
Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one), (the
Detroit one), or (the irritating one).

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Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Matt Kane's Brain]

On Mar 28, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Robert Taylor wrote:
He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him?  
He's

not exactly famous



And it's not exactly rare to have pseudonymous techno artists with the  
same pseudonym. MIA, for example, did not get sued by either UR or Sub  
Static, forcing MIA to always be suffixed by (the German one), (the  
Detroit one), or (the irritating one).


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RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Robert Taylor]

He was probably telling the truth - why would he have heard of him? He's
not exactly famous 


Rob Taylor
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-Original Message-
From: Joel Gajewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 28 March 2008 16:29
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)


Plasticman tried to claim that he had never heard of Plastikman in an
early interview a few years ago.  :rollseyes:  Sure, buddy.  

"I'm Plasticman, with a 'C' though.  It's different."

hahaha

BTW, I have a new band that I just started, Ziggy and the Stoojes.  


What?  


- Original Message 
From: Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:52:57 AM
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple,
Miami)

On Mar 28, 2008, at 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Plastic man vs Plastikman

Plasticman changed his name to Plastician.

> AS1 vs As One


I think there is a case for the pronunciation of that as Ay Ess One.

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Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Joel Gajewski]

Plasticman tried to claim that he had never heard of Plastikman in an early 
interview a few years ago.  :rollseyes:  Sure, buddy.  

"I'm Plasticman, with a 'C' though.  It's different."

hahaha

BTW, I have a new band that I just started, Ziggy and the Stoojes.  


What?  


- Original Message 
From: Matt Kane's Brain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:52:57 AM
Subject: Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

On Mar 28, 2008, at 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Plastic man vs Plastikman

Plasticman changed his name to Plastician.

> AS1 vs As One


I think there is a case for the pronunciation of that as Ay Ess One.

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Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

"Matt Kane's Brain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/28/2008
10:52:57 AM:

> On Mar 28, 2008, at 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Plastic man vs Plastikman
>
> Plasticman changed his name to Plastician.

LOL!  Plastician?

>
> > AS1 vs As One
>
>
> I think there is a case for the pronunciation of that as Ay Ess One.

yes, there is, but play along dagnabbit

MEK

Re: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Matt Kane's Brain]

On Mar 28, 2008, at 11:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Plastic man vs Plastikman


Plasticman changed his name to Plastician.


AS1 vs As One



I think there is a case for the pronunciation of that as Ay Ess One.

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RE: (313) what's in a name (was:venting/Something Simple, Miami)

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

AS1?

there should be a battle off for use of name

Plastic man vs Plastikman
AS1 vs As One

any others?


tangents tangents all around
MEK

"Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/28/2008 10:28:59 AM:

> That reminds me ...
>
> http://www.isophlux.net/events.html
>
> If you just so happen to be in Miami this weekend (or even if you can
> get there) this 313 hued line-up looks more than interesting.
>
> Ken
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alex Lugo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 3:00 PM
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: Re: (313) venting
>
>
> I'm on for the Pure Entertainment Value. :)
>
> Is there any way to resend all of the emails from the 3 months leading
> to the fest of the past few years so everyone can see the silliness of
> it all?
>
> Rehash, rehash, rehash. ;)
>
> Peace,
> Alex
>
>
>
> P.S. It will never get as bad the WMC, but they're trying!
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: "Odeluga, Ken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 10:55:36 AM
> Subject: RE: (313) venting
>
> I'd just like to point out that half of that stuff was actually on
> topic.
>
> . I was getting my coat anyway 
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 2:49 PM
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: (313) venting
>
>
> so, after finding out that josh wink is cack, movement 08 is not like
> demf but peeps are going anyway, and the wire is the best tv show in the
> western hemisphere, is there any new music out that is worth checking
> out?
>
> sometimes i think the only reason i still am subbed on this list after 7
> years is for the excellent mixes that get posted
>
> sorry, but i had to vent
>
> fab
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
> Looking for last minute shopping deals?
> Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

RE: [313] What's in a name?

[Benn Glazier]

Well he did get married...  :P

r./

At 22:34 04/02/2002 -0500, Dan Kurzius wrote:

yeah what happened to Matt, I'd like to know as well...

dK

-Original Message-
From: Benn Glazier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:19 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: [313] What's in a name?


At 12:21 04/02/2002 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Anyone also ever consider that UR has released some 12" with some very Nazi
>German/Imperial Japanese titles/images - WPA's "Kamikaze" & "Seawolf"
>
> >Then again,I could be wrong, the Drexciyans after all might just be white
>boy fruit farmers making jelly/jam in the >mid-west.
>
>
>I think you're talking about the Wisconsin dairy farmers of Deep Chord...
>if I'm not mistaken.

Not at all...  this was conceived well before Deep Chord existed.  I
remember this one going around in about 95 perhaps.  Otto?  FAQ?

Off topic: Oh... where's Matt McQ these days?

r./


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RE: [313] What's in a name?

[Dan Kurzius]

yeah what happened to Matt, I'd like to know as well...

dK

-Original Message-
From: Benn Glazier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:19 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: [313] What's in a name?


At 12:21 04/02/2002 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Anyone also ever consider that UR has released some 12" with some very Nazi
>German/Imperial Japanese titles/images - WPA's "Kamikaze" & "Seawolf"
>
> >Then again,I could be wrong, the Drexciyans after all might just be white
>boy fruit farmers making jelly/jam in the >mid-west.
>
>
>I think you're talking about the Wisconsin dairy farmers of Deep Chord...
>if I'm not mistaken.

Not at all...  this was conceived well before Deep Chord existed.  I
remember this one going around in about 95 perhaps.  Otto?  FAQ?

Off topic: Oh... where's Matt McQ these days?

r./


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RE: [313] What's in a name?

[Benn Glazier]

At 12:21 04/02/2002 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Anyone also ever consider that UR has released some 12" with some very Nazi
German/Imperial Japanese titles/images - WPA's "Kamikaze" & "Seawolf"

>Then again,I could be wrong, the Drexciyans after all might just be white
boy fruit farmers making jelly/jam in the >mid-west.


I think you're talking about the Wisconsin dairy farmers of Deep Chord...
if I'm not mistaken.


Not at all...  this was conceived well before Deep Chord existed.  I 
remember this one going around in about 95 perhaps.  Otto?  FAQ?


Off topic: Oh... where's Matt McQ these days?

r./


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RE: [313] What's in a name?

[FC3 Richards]

Seawolf is a class of submarine that the United States uses.  The new
Seawolf II is quite possibly the greatest Theatre Ballistic  Submarine class
on the face of the planet.  Quite frankly, if the people of one of these
subs are trying not to be found by any other countries war ships, then they
absolutley will not be found.  they are too quiet and too fast.  sorry...had
to use my Navy knowlege...although kamikaze is a Japanese term for killing
yourself for nothing.  it makes a mean drink though...(typical sailor)

jeff

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:22 AM
> To:   313@hyperreal.org
> Subject:  RE: [313] What's in a name?
> 
> 
> Anyone also ever consider that UR has released some 12" with some very
> Nazi
> German/Imperial Japanese titles/images - WPA's "Kamikaze" & "Seawolf"
> 
> >Then again,I could be wrong, the Drexciyans after all might just be white
> boy fruit farmers making jelly/jam in the >mid-west.
> 
> 
> I think you're talking about the Wisconsin dairy farmers of Deep Chord...
> if I'm not mistaken.
> 
> MEK
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Benn Glazier
> 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]        To:     <313@hyperreal.org>
> 
> ch.net>  cc:
> 
>  Subject: RE: [313] What's in
> a name?  
> 02/04/02
> 
> 03:43 AM
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Is it not interesting that two of the Drexciyan personas are 'from'
> countries that have been defeated by the American or American allies, that
> is Dopplereffekt and Japanese Telecom.
> 
> Sure, the Nazi nation was an evil dictatorship.  Something else that comes
> to mind is that the artwork on Gesamtkunstwerk has symbols of the USSR and
> China depicted.  Two more countries which had been 'against' the USA for
> many years.
> 
> Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 'Gesamtkunstwerk''
> translate to 'Synthesis of the arts' and in this case, I'd say the
> definition of 'synthesis' would potentially be it's philosophical one as
> opposed to it's general or chemical definition.
> 
> Also, think about how the US has treated the American-Indian.  Then again,
> I could be wrong, the Drexciyans after all might just be white boy fruit
> farmers making jelly/jam in the mid-west.
> 
> Some interesting points of discussion to think about.
> 
> However, at the end of the day, who says Drexciya = Dopplereffekt =
> Japanese Telecom.
> 
> 
> 
> royal:one: - benn glazier
> http://www.royaltech.net - http://dj.royaltech.net
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 10:27 04/02/2002 +0100, Gwendal Cobert wrote:
> >Well, I have their Gesamtkunstwerk CD, and I was a bit disturbed by the
> >imagery, but it is just "too much" not to be second-degree... as far as I
> >know, the most extreme far-right doesn't go that far in their slogans and
> >imagery, right ? plus, I don't really see how could a guy with such ideas
> >fit in the Gigolos stable ?
> >Gwendal
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:13 AM
> > > To: 313@hyperreal.org
> > > Subject: RE: [313] FW: What's in a name?
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah that could be but the early Dataphysix records had nazi
> > > symbols on
> > > them. Also one of his tracks is called 'superior race' which
> > > appaered on the
> > > Facist State EP. When he played in Holland someone asked him
> > > why he named
> > > one of his tracks 'sterilization' and had the line 'we had to
> > > sterilize the
> > > population' in it. He said that everybody who is mentaly
> > > disabled had to be
> > > sterilized so they can not reprodue themself... From that
> > > time on  i always
> > > had mixed feelings on a Dopplereffekt track.
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > > on the other hand... I may be wrong, but Mueller / Muller /
> > > > Müller is quite
> > > > a common name in Germany, isn't it ?
> > > > Gwendal
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Jo

RE: [313] What's in a name?

[FC3 Richards]

had absolutely no idea that Japanese Telecom was Drexcya in any way shape or
form...

jeff

> -Original Message-
> From: Benn Glazier [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 1:43 AM
> To:   313@hyperreal.org
> Subject:  RE: [313] What's in a name?
> 
> Is it not interesting that two of the Drexciyan personas are 'from' 
> countries that have been defeated by the American or American allies, that
> 
> is Dopplereffekt and Japanese Telecom.
> 
> Sure, the Nazi nation was an evil dictatorship.  Something else that comes
> 
> to mind is that the artwork on Gesamtkunstwerk has symbols of the USSR and
> 
> China depicted.  Two more countries which had been 'against' the USA for 
> many years.
> 
> Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 'Gesamtkunstwerk'' 
> translate to 'Synthesis of the arts' and in this case, I'd say the 
> definition of 'synthesis' would potentially be it's philosophical one as 
> opposed to it's general or chemical definition.
> 
> Also, think about how the US has treated the American-Indian.  Then again,
> 
> I could be wrong, the Drexciyans after all might just be white boy fruit 
> farmers making jelly/jam in the mid-west.
> 
> Some interesting points of discussion to think about.
> 
> However, at the end of the day, who says Drexciya = Dopplereffekt = 
> Japanese Telecom.
> 
> 
> 
> royal:one: - benn glazier
> http://www.royaltech.net - http://dj.royaltech.net
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 61 (0) 413 316 618
> r720 royal exchange nsw 1225 australia
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 10:27 04/02/2002 +0100, Gwendal Cobert wrote:
> >Well, I have their Gesamtkunstwerk CD, and I was a bit disturbed by the
> >imagery, but it is just "too much" not to be second-degree... as far as I
> >know, the most extreme far-right doesn't go that far in their slogans and
> >imagery, right ? plus, I don't really see how could a guy with such ideas
> >fit in the Gigolos stable ?
> >Gwendal
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:13 AM
> > > To: 313@hyperreal.org
> > > Subject: RE: [313] FW: What's in a name?
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah that could be but the early Dataphysix records had nazi
> > > symbols on
> > > them. Also one of his tracks is called 'superior race' which
> > > appaered on the
> > > Facist State EP. When he played in Holland someone asked him
> > > why he named
> > > one of his tracks 'sterilization' and had the line 'we had to
> > > sterilize the
> > > population' in it. He said that everybody who is mentaly
> > > disabled had to be
> > > sterilized so they can not reprodue themself... From that
> > > time on  i always
> > > had mixed feelings on a Dopplereffekt track.
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > > on the other hand... I may be wrong, but Mueller / Muller /
> > > > Müller is quite
> > > > a common name in Germany, isn't it ?
> > > > Gwendal
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:47 AM
> > > > > To: '313@hyperreal.org'
> > > > > Subject: RE: [313] FW: What's in a name?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I can tell you for sure that Heinrich Mueller is NOT his real
> > > > > name, well i
> > > > > hope it isn't becauseif Mueller is really one of the members
> > > > > i will burn my
> > > > > copies immediatly. Why, well Heinrich Mueller was the head
> > > > > Gestapo, the
> > > > > secret police of the Nazi's, during World War II. He is
> > > > > reposible for one of
> > > > > the worst crimes ever comitted by humans. He is one of the
> > > > > persons (together
> > > > > with the notorious Adolf Eichmann) who planned the key
> > > > > components in the
> > > > > deportation and then extermination of the Jews.
> > > > >
> > > > > Heinrich Mueller escaped the Heidelberg proceses, he
> > > > > disappeared and was
> > > > > never brought to justice!
> > > > >
> > > 

RE: [313] What's in a name?

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Anyone also ever consider that UR has released some 12" with some very Nazi
German/Imperial Japanese titles/images - WPA's "Kamikaze" & "Seawolf"

>Then again,I could be wrong, the Drexciyans after all might just be white
boy fruit farmers making jelly/jam in the >mid-west.


I think you're talking about the Wisconsin dairy farmers of Deep Chord...
if I'm not mistaken.

MEK




   
Benn Glazier
   
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: <313@hyperreal.org>   

ch.net>  cc:
       
             Subject: RE: [313] What's in a 
name?  
02/04/02
   
03:43 AM
   

   

   




Is it not interesting that two of the Drexciyan personas are 'from'
countries that have been defeated by the American or American allies, that
is Dopplereffekt and Japanese Telecom.

Sure, the Nazi nation was an evil dictatorship.  Something else that comes
to mind is that the artwork on Gesamtkunstwerk has symbols of the USSR and
China depicted.  Two more countries which had been 'against' the USA for
many years.

Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 'Gesamtkunstwerk''
translate to 'Synthesis of the arts' and in this case, I'd say the
definition of 'synthesis' would potentially be it's philosophical one as
opposed to it's general or chemical definition.

Also, think about how the US has treated the American-Indian.  Then again,
I could be wrong, the Drexciyans after all might just be white boy fruit
farmers making jelly/jam in the mid-west.

Some interesting points of discussion to think about.

However, at the end of the day, who says Drexciya = Dopplereffekt =
Japanese Telecom.



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At 10:27 04/02/2002 +0100, Gwendal Cobert wrote:
>Well, I have their Gesamtkunstwerk CD, and I was a bit disturbed by the
>imagery, but it is just "too much" not to be second-degree... as far as I
>know, the most extreme far-right doesn't go that far in their slogans and
>imagery, right ? plus, I don't really see how could a guy with such ideas
>fit in the Gigolos stable ?
>Gwendal
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:13 AM
> > To: 313@hyperreal.org
> > Subject: RE: [313] FW: What's in a name?
> >
> >
> > Yeah that could be but the early Dataphysix records had nazi
> > symbols on
> > them. Also one of his tracks is called 'superior race' which
> > appaered on the
> > Facist State EP. When he played in Holland someone asked him
> > why he named
> > one of his tracks 'sterilization' and had the line 'we had to
> > sterilize the
> > population' in it. He said that everybody who is mentaly
> > disabled had to be
> > sterilized so they can not reprodue themself... From that
> > time on  i always
> > had mixed feelings on a Dopplereffekt track.
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > > on the other hand... I may be wrong, but Mueller / Muller /
> > > Müller is quite
> > > a common name in Germany, isn't it ?
> > > Gwendal
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:47 AM
> > > > To: '313@hyperreal.org'
> > > > Subject: RE: [313] FW: What's in a name?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I can tell you for sure that Heinrich Mueller is NOT his real
> > > > name, well i
> > > > hope it isn't becauseif Mueller is really one of the members
> > > > i will burn my
> > > > copies immediatly. Why, well Heinrich Mueller was

RE: [313] What's in a name?

[Benn Glazier]

Please refer to google.com or britannica.com for information regarding 
Messers Mueller and Himmler.



r./


At 10:13 04/02/2002 +, you wrote:

At risk of 'posting too much' ... Can I perhaps draw the thread a little
back to specifics? The name was Heinrich Meuller. Now, many appear to think
this is an alias ... anyone agree? Also, I think we can start to discount
the Nazi allusions ... the 'Heinrich' part earlier triggered a mistaken
suggestion that we were referring to a notorious Nazi official, Himmler.

>-Original Message-
>From: Benn Glazier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:43 AM
>To: 313@hyperreal.org
>Subject: RE: [313] What's in a name?
>
>
>Is it not interesting that two of the Drexciyan personas are 'from'
>countries that have been defeated by the American or American allies,
>that
>is Dopplereffekt and Japanese Telecom.
>
>Sure, the Nazi nation was an evil dictatorship.  Something else that
>comes
>to mind is that the artwork on Gesamtkunstwerk has symbols of the USSR
>and
>China depicted.  Two more countries which had been 'against' the USA for
>
>many years.
>
>Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 'Gesamtkunstwerk''
>translate to 'Synthesis of the arts' and in this case, I'd say the
>definition of 'synthesis' would potentially be it's philosophical one as
>
>opposed to it's general or chemical definition.
>
>Also, think about how the US has treated the American-Indian.  Then
>again,
>I could be wrong, the Drexciyans after all might just be white boy fruit
>
>farmers making jelly/jam in the mid-west.
>
>Some interesting points of discussion to think about.
>
>However, at the end of the day, who says Drexciya = Dopplereffekt =
>Japanese Telecom.
>
>
>
>royal:one: - benn glazier
>http://www.royaltech.net - http://dj.royaltech.net
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 61 (0) 413 316 618
>r720 royal exchange nsw 1225 australia
>
>
>
>
>At 10:27 04/02/2002 +0100, Gwendal Cobert wrote:
>>Well, I have their Gesamtkunstwerk CD, and I was a bit disturbed by the
>>imagery, but it is just "too much" not to be second-degree... as far as
>I
>>know, the most extreme far-right doesn't go that far in their slogans
>and
>>imagery, right ? plus, I don't really see how could a guy with such
>ideas
>>fit in the Gigolos stable ?
>>Gwendal
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:13 AM
>> > To: 313@hyperreal.org
>> > Subject: RE: [313] FW: What's in a name?
>> >
>> >
>> > Yeah that could be but the early Dataphysix records had nazi
>> > symbols on
>> > them. Also one of his tracks is called 'superior race' which
>> > appaered on the
>> > Facist State EP. When he played in Holland someone asked him
>> > why he named
>> > one of his tracks 'sterilization' and had the line 'we had to
>> > sterilize the
>> > population' in it. He said that everybody who is mentaly
>> > disabled had to be
>> > sterilized so they can not reprodue themself... From that
>> > time on  i always
>> > had mixed feelings on a Dopplereffekt track.
>> >
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>> > > on the other hand... I may be wrong, but Mueller / Muller /
>> > > Müller is quite
>> > > a common name in Germany, isn't it ?
>> > > Gwendal
>> > >
>> > > > -Original Message-
>> > > > From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:47 AM
>> > > > To: '313@hyperreal.org'
>> > > > Subject: RE: [313] FW: What's in a name?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I can tell you for sure that Heinrich Mueller is NOT his real
>> > > > name, well i
>> > > > hope it isn't becauseif Mueller is really one of the members
>> > > > i will burn my
>> > > > copies immediatly. Why, well Heinrich Mueller was the head
>> > > > Gestapo, the
>> > > > secret police of the Nazi's, during World War II. He is
>> > > > reposible for one of
>> > > > the worst crimes ever comitted by humans. He is one of the
>> > > > persons (together
>> > > > with the notorious Adolf Eichmann) who planned the key
>> > > > com

RE: [313] What's in a name?

[Odeluga, Ken]

At risk of 'posting too much' ... Can I perhaps draw the thread a little
back to specifics? The name was Heinrich Meuller. Now, many appear to think
this is an alias ... anyone agree? Also, I think we can start to discount
the Nazi allusions ... the 'Heinrich' part earlier triggered a mistaken
suggestion that we were referring to a notorious Nazi official, Himmler.

>-Original Message-
>From: Benn Glazier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:43 AM
>To: 313@hyperreal.org
>Subject: RE: [313] What's in a name?
>
>
>Is it not interesting that two of the Drexciyan personas are 'from'
>countries that have been defeated by the American or American allies,
>that
>is Dopplereffekt and Japanese Telecom.
>
>Sure, the Nazi nation was an evil dictatorship.  Something else that
>comes
>to mind is that the artwork on Gesamtkunstwerk has symbols of the USSR
>and
>China depicted.  Two more countries which had been 'against' the USA for
>
>many years.
>
>Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 'Gesamtkunstwerk''
>translate to 'Synthesis of the arts' and in this case, I'd say the
>definition of 'synthesis' would potentially be it's philosophical one as
>
>opposed to it's general or chemical definition.
>
>Also, think about how the US has treated the American-Indian.  Then
>again,
>I could be wrong, the Drexciyans after all might just be white boy fruit
>
>farmers making jelly/jam in the mid-west.
>
>Some interesting points of discussion to think about.
>
>However, at the end of the day, who says Drexciya = Dopplereffekt =
>Japanese Telecom.
>
>
>
>royal:one: - benn glazier
>http://www.royaltech.net - http://dj.royaltech.net
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>
>
>
>
>At 10:27 04/02/2002 +0100, Gwendal Cobert wrote:
>>Well, I have their Gesamtkunstwerk CD, and I was a bit disturbed by the
>>imagery, but it is just "too much" not to be second-degree... as far as
>I
>>know, the most extreme far-right doesn't go that far in their slogans
>and
>>imagery, right ? plus, I don't really see how could a guy with such
>ideas
>>fit in the Gigolos stable ?
>>Gwendal
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:13 AM
>> > To: 313@hyperreal.org
>> > Subject: RE: [313] FW: What's in a name?
>> >
>> >
>> > Yeah that could be but the early Dataphysix records had nazi
>> > symbols on
>> > them. Also one of his tracks is called 'superior race' which
>> > appaered on the
>> > Facist State EP. When he played in Holland someone asked him
>> > why he named
>> > one of his tracks 'sterilization' and had the line 'we had to
>> > sterilize the
>> > population' in it. He said that everybody who is mentaly
>> > disabled had to be
>> > sterilized so they can not reprodue themself... From that
>> > time on  i always
>> > had mixed feelings on a Dopplereffekt track.
>> >
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >
>> > > on the other hand... I may be wrong, but Mueller / Muller /
>> > > Müller is quite
>> > > a common name in Germany, isn't it ?
>> > > Gwendal
>> > >
>> > > > -Original Message-
>> > > > From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:47 AM
>> > > > To: '313@hyperreal.org'
>> > > > Subject: RE: [313] FW: What's in a name?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I can tell you for sure that Heinrich Mueller is NOT his real
>> > > > name, well i
>> > > > hope it isn't becauseif Mueller is really one of the members
>> > > > i will burn my
>> > > > copies immediatly. Why, well Heinrich Mueller was the head
>> > > > Gestapo, the
>> > > > secret police of the Nazi's, during World War II. He is
>> > > > reposible for one of
>> > > > the worst crimes ever comitted by humans. He is one of the
>> > > > persons (together
>> > > > with the notorious Adolf Eichmann) who planned the key
>> > > > components in the
>> > > > deportation and then extermination of the Jews.
>> > > >
>> > > > Heinrich Muell

RE: [313] What's in a name?

[Benn Glazier]

Is it not interesting that two of the Drexciyan personas are 'from' 
countries that have been defeated by the American or American allies, that 
is Dopplereffekt and Japanese Telecom.


Sure, the Nazi nation was an evil dictatorship.  Something else that comes 
to mind is that the artwork on Gesamtkunstwerk has symbols of the USSR and 
China depicted.  Two more countries which had been 'against' the USA for 
many years.


Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 'Gesamtkunstwerk'' 
translate to 'Synthesis of the arts' and in this case, I'd say the 
definition of 'synthesis' would potentially be it's philosophical one as 
opposed to it's general or chemical definition.


Also, think about how the US has treated the American-Indian.  Then again, 
I could be wrong, the Drexciyans after all might just be white boy fruit 
farmers making jelly/jam in the mid-west.


Some interesting points of discussion to think about.

However, at the end of the day, who says Drexciya = Dopplereffekt = 
Japanese Telecom.




royal:one: - benn glazier
http://www.royaltech.net - http://dj.royaltech.net
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 61 (0) 413 316 618
r720 royal exchange nsw 1225 australia




At 10:27 04/02/2002 +0100, Gwendal Cobert wrote:

Well, I have their Gesamtkunstwerk CD, and I was a bit disturbed by the
imagery, but it is just "too much" not to be second-degree... as far as I
know, the most extreme far-right doesn't go that far in their slogans and
imagery, right ? plus, I don't really see how could a guy with such ideas
fit in the Gigolos stable ?
Gwendal

> -Original Message-
> From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:13 AM
> To: 313@hyperreal.org
> Subject: RE: [313] FW: What's in a name?
>
>
> Yeah that could be but the early Dataphysix records had nazi
> symbols on
> them. Also one of his tracks is called 'superior race' which
> appaered on the
> Facist State EP. When he played in Holland someone asked him
> why he named
> one of his tracks 'sterilization' and had the line 'we had to
> sterilize the
> population' in it. He said that everybody who is mentaly
> disabled had to be
> sterilized so they can not reprodue themself... From that
> time on  i always
> had mixed feelings on a Dopplereffekt track.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > on the other hand... I may be wrong, but Mueller / Muller /
> > Müller is quite
> > a common name in Germany, isn't it ?
> > Gwendal
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:47 AM
> > > To: '313@hyperreal.org'
> > > Subject: RE: [313] FW: What's in a name?
> > >
> > >
> > > I can tell you for sure that Heinrich Mueller is NOT his real
> > > name, well i
> > > hope it isn't becauseif Mueller is really one of the members
> > > i will burn my
> > > copies immediatly. Why, well Heinrich Mueller was the head
> > > Gestapo, the
> > > secret police of the Nazi's, during World War II. He is
> > > reposible for one of
> > > the worst crimes ever comitted by humans. He is one of the
> > > persons (together
> > > with the notorious Adolf Eichmann) who planned the key
> > > components in the
> > > deportation and then extermination of the Jews.
> > >
> > > Heinrich Mueller escaped the Heidelberg proceses, he
> > > disappeared and was
> > > never brought to justice!
> > >
> > > To be honest, i never understood why they used name Mueller on the
> > > Dopplereffekt records. I can't think of a single reason why
> > > to use Mueller
> > > as an alias...
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > > One member of Drexciya has (apparently) been named (in
> > > > Jan-Feb Jockey Slut
> > > > Magazine, UK).
> > > > Now, I may have missed any ensuing controversy - I have a
> > > > feeling I'll be told if so - but what do people think of
> > > > this? The name was
> > > > Heinrich Mueller. Or was it all a big phat joke on the
> > > > writer's part? Now
> > > > that this name has entered the public domain, it baffles me,
> > > > why the first
> > > > attempt to post this was barred from the list  This time
> > > > I don't mention
> > > > the journalist who 'did' it ... but of course, that's already
> > > > out there too.
> > > > Any ansewers to either question wd be appreciated.