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Question. With all this talk about what you'd pay for a record, is there a resource in print or online, like Goldmine, that would place a value? Or is this just a totally underground territory? Where does one place $300 value on a record in this genre? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 10:28:58 -0400 (EDT) To: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED], placid [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? I'm not sure of the media deteriorating per se, but I will give a short description of popular methods of CD-R and CD-RW techniques. Basically, we're dealing with teh same sort of principle as vinyl, accept the laser in a CD player or CD rom is reflected off of the reflective material in the CD that is different heights and widths (although it's read a bit differently than on vinyl [from what i hear - this is the part i'm not so familiar with]). The burning process actually involves the CD burner hitting a recordable CD that has a reflective material with dye on it. This dye is manipulated by the laser so that can make the pits and grooves (although extremely small) so that it can be read by another. I would assume that if this dye is cheap enough (or in some cases the actual metal film is in itself manipulated by the laser) it could be concluded that over use the normal type laser could affect the pits and grooves and therefore affect the sound. I've not heard of this, tho, so I won't try to substantiate or disprove. cheers, dense On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, Toby Frith wrote: Interesting point about file retention. I read somewhere that a lot of cheaper CD-Rs only last for about 2 - 3 years before the quality slowly disintegrates. Not sure how, but I'm sure some tech people could source that. I mean, how much would you pay for a hard drive of say, 100 gigs worth of music that in essence could be duplicated in a very short time?
Re: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids?
Question. With all this talk about what you'd pay for a record, is there a resource in print or online, like Goldmine, that would place a value? Or is this just a totally underground territory? Where does one place $300 value on a record in this genre? I'm not sure there is one you know. I'd like to know if there was. Prices seem to be kind of gauged against ebay really (from what I can gather). And, of course, they fluctuate wildly on there. Seems like some of the 'idm' records that were going for megabucks a while ago seem to be dropping off in price a little, but then I havent really looked on ebay for a little while. And then rare records that no one knows about can be picked up cheap, and things that arent so rare which everyone knows about go for big money. weird. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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AFAIK there isn't any Goldmine style resource for most dance music. That still seems to be the world of Beatles, Rolling Stones, and Bob Dylan collectors. I'm not sure if it's a question of the music being underground as there are lots of genres that are underground but still get written up about in these books. I think it has more to do with it being rock music or not. Experimental electronic music by the likes of Moog, Subotnick, etc. will get mentioned but not your average techno producer. It has to do with respect for the music. Generally the people who put these books together don't have much respect for these artists. It's an anti-disco thing. Currently, it's pretty much guided by what the last person paid and if someone is willing to pay more or less than that for the next copy that becomes available. The reference books that are out there now could help you grade a record but couldn't would be worthless in leading you to a monetary value. The writers are clueless when it comes to the music and there probably hasn't been enough of a trading/buying/selling history to get an accurate value on most of these records. What more, these records are meant to be played - and played and played and played. They get abused. Not many of us take care of our records the same way some ultra-anal Beatles collator would (humidity controlled rooms, no light, removing records from sleeves to protect covers, etc.). I think that is another factor that affects why the genre and the records themselves, are paid much attention. We just don't treat a SID record the same way that someone does a ultra rare Sgt. Pepper's Brazilian promo release with a misprint on the B side. MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] .netTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken Odeluga 07/06/04 09:54 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED], placid [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313-List 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? Question. With all this talk about what you'd pay for a record, is there a resource in print or online, like Goldmine, that would place a value? Or is this just a totally underground territory? Where does one place $300 value on a record in this genre? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 10:28:58 -0400 (EDT) To: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED], placid [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? I'm not sure of the media deteriorating per se, but I will give a short description of popular methods of CD-R and CD-RW techniques. Basically, we're dealing with teh same sort of principle as vinyl, accept the laser in a CD player or CD rom is reflected off of the reflective material in the CD that is different heights and widths (although it's read a bit differently than on vinyl [from what i hear - this is the part i'm not so familiar with]). The burning process actually involves the CD burner hitting a recordable CD that has a reflective material with dye on it. This dye is manipulated by the laser so that can make the pits and grooves (although extremely small) so that it can be read by another. I would assume that if this dye is cheap enough (or in some cases the actual metal film is in itself manipulated by the laser) it could be concluded that over use the normal type laser could affect the pits and grooves and therefore affect the sound. I've not heard of this, tho, so I won't try to substantiate or disprove. cheers, dense On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, Toby Frith wrote: Interesting point about file retention. I read somewhere that a lot of cheaper CD-Rs only last for about 2 - 3 years before the quality slowly disintegrates. Not sure how, but I'm sure some tech people could source that. I mean, how much would you pay for a hard drive of say, 100 gigs worth of music that in essence could be duplicated in a very short time?
RE: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids?
I won't pay more than US$60.00 The few that have got near that price have been: Jesse Saunders On On (Jes Say records) 12 1984 $60.00 Cybotron Alleys of your mind (Deep Space) 7 1982 $56.00 I'm sure I've never paid more! Rob. -Original Message- From: Dan Bean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2004 13:16 To: Aidan O'Doherty Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject:(313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? a friend of mine paid $60 for model 500 'sonic sunset', but i think he got a bargain there. that seems a bit steep to me - I've seen it for $20
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Ditto, I've seen it for about a tenner in Reckless in London gawd I need that too! -Original Message- From: Dan Bean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 1:16 PM To: Aidan O'Doherty Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? a friend of mine paid $60 for model 500 'sonic sunset', but i think he got a bargain there. that seems a bit steep to me - I've seen it for $20
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Jesse Saunders On On (Jes Say records) 12 1984 $60.00 Cybotron Alleys of your mind (Deep Space) 7 1982 $56.00 I'm sure I've never paid more! That was a bit unfortunate I think Rob. On On got repressed about 18 months ago (but then I guess some people do actually want originals0 and 'Alleys Of Your Mind' or 'Clear' I've seen for about £15 (which I thought dear, but just about worth it). Rob. -Original Message- From: Dan Bean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2004 13:16 To:Aidan O'Doherty Cc:313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? a friend of mine paid $60 for model 500 'sonic sunset', but i think he got a bargain there. that seems a bit steep to me - I've seen it for $20
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Kenbut then I guess some people do actually want originals Oh Ken Ken Ken. Represses are for ladies. Oh, and that Deep Space 7 is very rare! you're getting confused with the 12... I WANT ONE (or both) This is hardcore vinyl fetishism here. Represses are the devils work my friend. Get with the program! Like Nick's stall says We do not sell represses ; ) *Alex runs home to stash all his represses under his shelves incase anyone from 313 comes round* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Its only quite recently there has been worthwhile re pressings... Ie planet e kms transmat.. It was original or nothing.. P -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2004 13:59 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? Kenbut then I guess some people do actually want originals Oh Ken Ken Ken. Represses are for ladies. Oh, and that Deep Space 7 is very rare! you're getting confused with the 12... I WANT ONE (or both) This is hardcore vinyl fetishism here. Represses are the devils work my friend. Get with the program! Like Nick's stall says We do not sell represses ; ) *Alex runs home to stash all his represses under his shelves incase anyone from 313 comes round* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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When fatcat 1st opened they had jus been to detroit and had nearly every retroactive release... A friend who worked for a uk distributor found a box of marcus mixx feat chine - le mélange (deep rare Chicago house) which they sold to fatcat and had 30 or so, brand new sealed copies Also remember them finding black dog 'virtual' and 'techno playtime' about a year after it had disappeared. Bought a copy then lost them / they were stolen / went missing gutted... Still wishing to replace them but cant quite reach deep enough in pocket to warrant the extortionate price for a uk 12 that I once owned p -Original Message- From: Ken Odeluga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2004 14:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org Subject: FW: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? Kenbut then I guess some people do actually want originals Oh Ken Ken Ken. Represses are for ladies. Yeah, ok, ok, ok, I admit it! I know it's not the same! But I've gotta tell myself it is to assuage the feeling of actually wanting the original myself! :-) It's good when shops 'discover' a lost batch of original pressings which sometimes happens - Piccadilly di this recently with the Mowax stuff - and I checked with the label, they really were original. If they were bootlegs they were damn fine ones, original art, little postcard, cardboard sleeves and mega loud pressing (esp for 1996.) I had not heard 'Ravers Suck Our Sound' before I gotr this so I was grateful. This also happened with Roy Davis Junior's 'Gabriel' thing a few years ago too. Anyone else with such tales? k Oh, and that Deep Space 7 is very rare! you're getting confused with the 12... A g I WANT ONE (or both) This is hardcore vinyl fetishism here. Represses are the devils work my friend. Get with the program! Like Nick's stall says We do not sell represses ; ) *Alex runs home to stash all his represses under his shelves incase anyone from 313 comes round* _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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HypocriteRepresses are for ladies. Hmm. Before Tim grasses me up (not that he ever posts I suppose) I just remembered my last purchase from Piccadilly was a repress! ha ha ha. Donna Mcghee LP on Red Greg. Being a twat is great, you lot should try it sometime. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Well represses will do if you can't get anything else a bit like Fosters really! The last repress I bought was Sweet Power Your Embrace by James Mason (but who's the singer?!?) originally on Chiaroscuro, 1977. Now that's worth having original or repressed if you ask me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 2:25 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? HypocriteRepresses are for ladies. Hmm. Before Tim grasses me up (not that he ever posts I suppose) I just remembered my last purchase from Piccadilly was a repress! ha ha ha. Donna Mcghee LP on Red Greg. Being a twat is great, you lot should try it sometime. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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The last repress I bought was Sweet Power Your Embrace by James Mason (but who's the singer?!?) originally on Chiaroscuro, 1977. Now that's worth having original or repressed if you ask me. Ha ha ha! cough cough I only bought that as well!! I'm such a tit. Represses are still for women though, I'm just in touch with my feminine side, thats all. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Jesse Saunders On On (Jes Say records) 12 1984 $60.00 I can understand you want to have the original 'first house' recording. Too bad it's a crap track (IMHO). Cheers, Maarten
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There's an interesting dichotomy going on here. On the one hand we're living in an age where information (i.e computer generated files) is replicated a thousand times at the click of a button, yet we are still searching for authenticity, and prize it highly (ie originals rather than repressings) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2004 14:40 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? The last repress I bought was Sweet Power Your Embrace by James Mason (but who's the singer?!?) originally on Chiaroscuro, 1977. Now that's worth having original or repressed if you ask me. Ha ha ha! cough cough I only bought that as well!! I'm such a tit. Represses are still for women though, I'm just in touch with my feminine side, thats all. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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I paid $150 for 'designer music - good girls'. I wouldn´t do it again though. I bought a sh*tload of records for $60 each, but wouldn´t do that agian either. I did these things in my crazy days, about one year ago ;-) Now I refuse to pay more than $30 dollar for a 12 (and it has to be really rare). Cheers, Maarten
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I've managed to convince myself that originals are usually better pressed (ignore trax records, they don't count in this thread) and usually have nicer artwork, sometimes have more mixes / other trax if it's a boot not a repressing -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2004 14:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? There's an interesting dichotomy going on here. On the one hand we're living in an age where information (i.e computer generated files) is replicated a thousand times at the click of a button, yet we are still searching for authenticity, and prize it highly (ie originals rather than repressings) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2004 14:40 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? The last repress I bought was Sweet Power Your Embrace by James Mason (but who's the singer?!?) originally on Chiaroscuro, 1977. Now that's worth having original or repressed if you ask me. Ha ha ha! cough cough I only bought that as well!! I'm such a tit. Represses are still for women though, I'm just in touch with my feminine side, thats all. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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dichotomy don't know what this means. (sorry) yet we are still searching for authenticity It's just the geek factor no? The obsessive bit in us all? (more some than most obviously) My record collection is pretty rubbish really, but still I spend more money on one original record than buy say, 10 things to fill gaps in my collection (which has massive massive gaps). Now that's just stupid. Oh well. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Ah but now Alex you're implying that there's some sort of canon that we should all adhere to. It implies that one must have the Velvet Underground, Captain Beefheart, Can, Suicide or all sorts of cool records that should be on our shelves. No-one can have the ultimate music collection. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2004 14:48 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? dichotomy don't know what this means. (sorry) yet we are still searching for authenticity It's just the geek factor no? The obsessive bit in us all? (more some than most obviously) My record collection is pretty rubbish really, but still I spend more money on one original record than buy say, 10 things to fill gaps in my collection (which has massive massive gaps). Now that's just stupid. Oh well. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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Maarten, you've just devastated a bit of musical history with a few well armed words!!! ;-) It is a matter of opinion though as I think you accept. Remember also, you need to listen to such things under the right conditions (ahem), and the right environment. Due to production values of tracks at that time, the music really did and does still, require a lot of amplification in order to convey the authentic feel of the music. k -Original Message- From: Maarten Baute [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 2:43 PM To: Ken Odeluga; Rob Tyte; Dan Bean; Aidan O'Doherty Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? Jesse Saunders On On (Jes Say records) 12 1984 $60.00 I can understand you want to have the original 'first house' recording. Too bad it's a crap track (IMHO). Cheers, Maarten
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No-one can have the ultimate music collection. True of course. We can aspire to that though! Mine is poor really, way way too many gaps. I don't think you should have certain things - whats the point if you never listen to them? But maybe some reference points for sure..!? _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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dichotomy don't know what this means. (sorry) it means having the bit of your brain removed that tells you it's insane to buy an original at 4 times the price over an identical sounding repress. (i think :) ) yet we are still searching for authenticity It's just the geek factor no? The obsessive bit in us all? (more some than most obviously) y'know it's just the music i'm interested in really. i know alex will find this to be heresy but as long as it sounds the same i don't care. the original artwork thing that placid voiced is a slightly convincing argument tho suggesting that perhaps there's still hope for me as a collector (as opposed to a listener) yet. :) robin...
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I've managed to convince myself that originals are usually better pressed (ignore trax records, they don't count in this thread) and usually have nicer artwork, sometimes have more mixes / other trax if it's a boot not a repressing or if they're not *technically* better pressed, they're pressed more *nicely*. I mean for instance, we've all seen Hardwax advertising represses with original 'imprefect' pressing quality. People seem to like the scratchiness, the noisiness and overall 'dirty' feel of a moderate-to-not-that-good original pressing. It helps give that feeling that you're listening to something old and romantically produced on a shoe string budget etc etc :-) -Original Message- From: placid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 2:47 PM To: 'Toby Frith'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2004 14:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? There's an interesting dichotomy going on here. On the one hand we're living in an age where information (i.e computer generated files) is replicated a thousand times at the click of a button, yet we are still searching for authenticity, and prize it highly (ie originals rather than repressings) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2004 14:40 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? The last repress I bought was Sweet Power Your Embrace by James Mason (but who's the singer?!?) originally on Chiaroscuro, 1977. Now that's worth having original or repressed if you ask me. Ha ha ha! cough cough I only bought that as well!! I'm such a tit. Represses are still for women though, I'm just in touch with my feminine side, thats all. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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You're not wrong!! It was to buy a piece of history (of house) and not a great track. Still, it makes me happy when I see it in my collection. I admit that I'm an obsessive addict who needs a fix frequently to keep me happy... I'm fairly sure I'm not the only vinyl junkie in this group... or am I?? :o) -Original Message- From: Maarten Baute [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2004 14:43 To: Ken Odeluga; Rob Tyte; Dan Bean; Aidan O'Doherty Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject:Re: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? Jesse Saunders On On (Jes Say records) 12 1984 $60.00 I can understand you want to have the original 'first house' recording. Too bad it's a crap track (IMHO). Cheers, Maarten
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And at the same time where we praise artwork, gatefold LPs etc - we're lapping up faceless mp3 files. -Original Message- From: Ken Odeluga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2004 14:56 To: placid; Toby Frith; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? I've managed to convince myself that originals are usually better pressed (ignore trax records, they don't count in this thread) and usually have nicer artwork, sometimes have more mixes / other trax if it's a boot not a repressing or if they're not *technically* better pressed, they're pressed more *nicely*. I mean for instance, we've all seen Hardwax advertising represses with original 'imprefect' pressing quality. People seem to like the scratchiness, the noisiness and overall 'dirty' feel of a moderate-to-not-that-good original pressing. It helps give that feeling that you're listening to something old and romantically produced on a shoe string budget etc etc :-) -Original Message- From: placid [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 2:47 PM To: 'Toby Frith'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2004 14:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? There's an interesting dichotomy going on here. On the one hand we're living in an age where information (i.e computer generated files) is replicated a thousand times at the click of a button, yet we are still searching for authenticity, and prize it highly (ie originals rather than repressings) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2004 14:40 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? The last repress I bought was Sweet Power Your Embrace by James Mason (but who's the singer?!?) originally on Chiaroscuro, 1977. Now that's worth having original or repressed if you ask me. Ha ha ha! cough cough I only bought that as well!! I'm such a tit. Represses are still for women though, I'm just in touch with my feminine side, thats all. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
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y'know it's just the music i'm interested in really. i know alex will find this to be heresy but as long as it sounds the same i don't care. i second that. represses, originals ... it's the music that matters to me. my own only grumble would be bad represses with rubbish sound quality. aidan
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And at the same time where we praise artwork, gatefold LPs etc - we're lapping up faceless mp3 files. hmmm kind of...in fact this is the biggest barrier to acceptance of DLs as a way of delivering music, isn't it? or is it an old-fart thing to want packaging? apparantly the 'kids' don't care about any of this (until their 200GB drive crashes and they lose their whole iTunes collection that cost em 10K, try and cover that with yer household/renter insurance :) ) robin...
RE: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids?
well look at dance music. Thousands upon thousands of records all released in faceless black sleeves. It started 20 years ago ! Interesting point about file retention. I read somewhere that a lot of cheaper CD-Rs only last for about 2 - 3 years before the quality slowly disintegrates. Not sure how, but I'm sure some tech people could source that. I mean, how much would you pay for a hard drive of say, 100 gigs worth of music that in essence could be duplicated in a very short time? People are paying 99cents for something that isn't actually worth anything in a material sense. It's an unusual step. -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 July 2004 15:09 To: Toby Frith Cc: Ken Odeluga; placid; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? And at the same time where we praise artwork, gatefold LPs etc - we're lapping up faceless mp3 files. hmmm kind of...in fact this is the biggest barrier to acceptance of DLs as a way of delivering music, isn't it? or is it an old-fart thing to want packaging? apparantly the 'kids' don't care about any of this (until their 200GB drive crashes and they lose their whole iTunes collection that cost em 10K, try and cover that with yer household/renter insurance :) ) robin...
RE: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids?
I'm not sure of the media deteriorating per se, but I will give a short description of popular methods of CD-R and CD-RW techniques. Basically, we're dealing with teh same sort of principle as vinyl, accept the laser in a CD player or CD rom is reflected off of the reflective material in the CD that is different heights and widths (although it's read a bit differently than on vinyl [from what i hear - this is the part i'm not so familiar with]). The burning process actually involves the CD burner hitting a recordable CD that has a reflective material with dye on it. This dye is manipulated by the laser so that can make the pits and grooves (although extremely small) so that it can be read by another. I would assume that if this dye is cheap enough (or in some cases the actual metal film is in itself manipulated by the laser) it could be concluded that over use the normal type laser could affect the pits and grooves and therefore affect the sound. I've not heard of this, tho, so I won't try to substantiate or disprove. cheers, dense On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, Toby Frith wrote: Interesting point about file retention. I read somewhere that a lot of cheaper CD-Rs only last for about 2 - 3 years before the quality slowly disintegrates. Not sure how, but I'm sure some tech people could source that. I mean, how much would you pay for a hard drive of say, 100 gigs worth of music that in essence could be duplicated in a very short time?
