Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I don't really know. We usually get a big package of TP, and what
  we have (got a couple weeks ago) should last us a another month or
  so. We also keep hand sanitizer in all our vehicles just for
  general purposes (alcohol in hand sanitizer works great for
  removing urushiol). I know it's flying off the shelves, but I'm
  not really looking for it. We get our mail at a PMB up the road,
  and they are also a little local grocery. Traffic there is usually
  light.

The big groceries have instituted "senior hours", and since I'm
  in my late 60s, I can get in & out quickly without touching
  anyone.
Not a lot of people on the road though.

bp



On 3/20/2020 7:19 PM, Steve Jones
  wrote:


  
  Have you found this to have helped with the
nonsense at stores? Hand sanitizer and tp?
  
  
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 9:12 PM
  Bill Prince  wrote:

Here in
  California there is a very long list of essential services 
  including grocery, internet service, home construction, and on
  and on. 
  We are also allowed to be out for exercise of almost any sort
  (hiking, 
  biking, you name it). The one watch word for anything you do
  outside the 
  home is the social distancing.
  
  We are doing service calls unless it involves going into
  someone's 
  house. We will provide service to an outside NID, but the end
  cable will 
  have to go through a window or something temporarily.
  
  Home Depot, Ace, Lowes, etc. are all staying open (also
  essential). If I 
  need something in a hurry, I order online through Home Depot,
  and I go 
  to their online pickup. I don't have to touch anyone, and I
  sanitize my 
  hands when I get stuff. We also squirt/wipe disinfectant on
  packages.
  
  
  bp
  
  
  On 3/20/2020 2:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  > Evidently here in Illinois it is being called a "stay at
  home" order.
  >
  > I'm not worried about gas stations closing, and grocery
  stores and drug stores will stay open.  Although I drove by a
  grocery store this afternoon and the parking lot was entirely
  full, so people are probably panic buying again.
  >
  > I'm still a little unclear on whether we should still
  book new installs unless there's some demonstrable emergency. 
  I'm not looking for a way to challenge the order, just to
  figure out what we are supposed to be doing.  I sense there's
  uncertainty about things like home remodeling companies, it
  seemed like carpenters, electricians, etc. were scurrying
  today to finish up some projects near me as if they think they
  will be shut down.
  >
  > It also occurred to me that while gas stations and
  grocery stores will stay open, I'm not sure about Ace
  Hardware, Home Depot, etc.  Will I got to get supplies and
  find all the stores closed?  I guess the alternative is
  Amazon, McMaster, Zoro, etc. and have it delivered.  I'd just
  like to know before I need a tube of RTV or some bolts that
  day and find out everything is closed.
  >
  > What if someone needs a plumber or electrician to fix
  something at their house, I'd guess those are essential
  services?
  >
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
  > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 3:27 PM
  > To: af@af.afmug.com
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question
  >
  > On 3/20/20 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:
  >> You are essential services.  You are a public
  utility.
  > Here in NV they specifically stated "utilities as defined
  in NRS Chapter 704". I assume other states would have
  something similar.
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Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

[Steve Jones]

Have you found this to have helped with the nonsense at stores? Hand
sanitizer and tp?

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 9:12 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Here in California there is a very long list of essential services
> including grocery, internet service, home construction, and on and on.
> We are also allowed to be out for exercise of almost any sort (hiking,
> biking, you name it). The one watch word for anything you do outside the
> home is the social distancing.
>
> We are doing service calls unless it involves going into someone's
> house. We will provide service to an outside NID, but the end cable will
> have to go through a window or something temporarily.
>
> Home Depot, Ace, Lowes, etc. are all staying open (also essential). If I
> need something in a hurry, I order online through Home Depot, and I go
> to their online pickup. I don't have to touch anyone, and I sanitize my
> hands when I get stuff. We also squirt/wipe disinfectant on packages.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/20/2020 2:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Evidently here in Illinois it is being called a "stay at home" order.
> >
> > I'm not worried about gas stations closing, and grocery stores and drug
> stores will stay open.  Although I drove by a grocery store this afternoon
> and the parking lot was entirely full, so people are probably panic buying
> again.
> >
> > I'm still a little unclear on whether we should still book new installs
> unless there's some demonstrable emergency.  I'm not looking for a way to
> challenge the order, just to figure out what we are supposed to be doing.
> I sense there's uncertainty about things like home remodeling companies, it
> seemed like carpenters, electricians, etc. were scurrying today to finish
> up some projects near me as if they think they will be shut down.
> >
> > It also occurred to me that while gas stations and grocery stores will
> stay open, I'm not sure about Ace Hardware, Home Depot, etc.  Will I got to
> get supplies and find all the stores closed?  I guess the alternative is
> Amazon, McMaster, Zoro, etc. and have it delivered.  I'd just like to know
> before I need a tube of RTV or some bolts that day and find out everything
> is closed.
> >
> > What if someone needs a plumber or electrician to fix something at their
> house, I'd guess those are essential services?
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 3:27 PM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question
> >
> > On 3/20/20 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >> You are essential services.  You are a public utility.
> > Here in NV they specifically stated "utilities as defined in NRS Chapter
> 704". I assume other states would have something similar.
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Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

[Bill Prince]

Here in California there is a very long list of essential services 
including grocery, internet service, home construction, and on and on. 
We are also allowed to be out for exercise of almost any sort (hiking, 
biking, you name it). The one watch word for anything you do outside the 
home is the social distancing.


We are doing service calls unless it involves going into someone's 
house. We will provide service to an outside NID, but the end cable will 
have to go through a window or something temporarily.


Home Depot, Ace, Lowes, etc. are all staying open (also essential). If I 
need something in a hurry, I order online through Home Depot, and I go 
to their online pickup. I don't have to touch anyone, and I sanitize my 
hands when I get stuff. We also squirt/wipe disinfectant on packages.



bp


On 3/20/2020 2:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Evidently here in Illinois it is being called a "stay at home" order.

I'm not worried about gas stations closing, and grocery stores and drug stores 
will stay open.  Although I drove by a grocery store this afternoon and the 
parking lot was entirely full, so people are probably panic buying again.

I'm still a little unclear on whether we should still book new installs unless 
there's some demonstrable emergency.  I'm not looking for a way to challenge 
the order, just to figure out what we are supposed to be doing.  I sense 
there's uncertainty about things like home remodeling companies, it seemed like 
carpenters, electricians, etc. were scurrying today to finish up some projects 
near me as if they think they will be shut down.

It also occurred to me that while gas stations and grocery stores will stay 
open, I'm not sure about Ace Hardware, Home Depot, etc.  Will I got to get 
supplies and find all the stores closed?  I guess the alternative is Amazon, 
McMaster, Zoro, etc. and have it delivered.  I'd just like to know before I 
need a tube of RTV or some bolts that day and find out everything is closed.

What if someone needs a plumber or electrician to fix something at their house, 
I'd guess those are essential services?


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 3:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

On 3/20/20 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

You are essential services.  You are a public utility.

Here in NV they specifically stated "utilities as defined in NRS Chapter 704". 
I assume other states would have something similar.

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Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

[James Howard]

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 5:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

I do recommend everybody never be in the same building or share vehicles. If 
one guy gets a cold or flu and runs a fever, your whole company should 
quarantine. That could be a disaster. Especially if it turns out not to be 
kungflu, which it probably isnt.
I'm working a project right now, the infrastructure side wont involve me 
interacting with anyone, or making contact with anything anyone else should be 
touching. What if I catch a fever? Do I quarantine and the work doesn't get 
done? I really don't know how to address this. I have chronic bronchitis, it 
comes with fevers, and this weather and my cigarette intake guarantees it.


On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 5:42 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
OK, reading the executive order, I interpret it to say Internet is essential 
infrastructure that we can continue to “offer, provision, operate, maintain and 
repair”.  I take “offer” to mean we can do new installs.

It also seems to say hardware stores can stay open.  Whether they do I guess is 
up to them.  My gut says Home Depot will probably be open, our local Ace HW may 
or may not.

https://www2.illinois.gov/Documents/ExecOrders/2020/ExecutiveOrder-2020-10.pdf

My superpowers do not include reading government documents.  I welcome other 
interpretations of what this means.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 4:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

I would imagine each jurisdiction would be different, but here's what the feds 
have to say:


https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure-workforce


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From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 4:52:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

Evidently here in Illinois it is being called a "stay at home" order.

I'm not worried about gas stations closing, and grocery stores and drug stores 
will stay open.  Although I drove by a grocery store this afternoon and the 
parking lot was entirely full, so people are probably panic buying again.

I'm still a little unclear on whether we should still book new installs unless 
there's some demonstrable emergency.  I'm not looking for a way to challenge 
the order, just to figure out what we are supposed to be doing.  I sense 
there's uncertainty about things like home remodeling companies, it seemed like 
carpenters, electricians, etc. were scurrying today to finish up some projects 
near me as if they think they will be shut down.

It also occurred to me that while gas stations and grocery stores will stay 
open, I'm not sure about Ace Hardware, Home Depot, etc.  Will I got to get 
supplies and find all the stores closed?  I guess the alternative is Amazon, 
McMaster, Zoro, etc. and have it delivered.  I'd just like to know before I 
need a tube of RTV or some bolts that day and find out everything is closed.

What if someone needs a plumber or electrician to fix something at their house, 
I'd guess those are essential services?


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 3:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

On 3/20/20 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> You are essential services.  You are a public utility.

Here in NV they specifically stated "utilities as defined in NRS Chapter 704". 
I assume other states would have something similar.

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Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

[Steve Jones]

I do recommend everybody never be in the same building or share vehicles.
If one guy gets a cold or flu and runs a fever, your whole company should
quarantine. That could be a disaster. Especially if it turns out not to be
kungflu, which it probably isnt.
I'm working a project right now, the infrastructure side wont involve me
interacting with anyone, or making contact with anything anyone else should
be touching. What if I catch a fever? Do I quarantine and the work doesn't
get done? I really don't know how to address this. I have chronic
bronchitis, it comes with fevers, and this weather and my cigarette intake
guarantees it.


On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 5:42 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> OK, reading the executive order, I interpret it to say Internet is
> essential infrastructure that we can continue to “offer, provision,
> operate, maintain and repair”.  I take “offer” to mean we can do new
> installs.
>
>
>
> It also seems to say hardware stores can stay open.  Whether they do I
> guess is up to them.  My gut says Home Depot will probably be open, our
> local Ace HW may or may not.
>
>
>
>
> https://www2.illinois.gov/Documents/ExecOrders/2020/ExecutiveOrder-2020-10.pdf
>
>
>
> My superpowers do not include reading government documents.  I welcome
> other interpretations of what this means.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2020 4:56 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question
>
>
>
> I would imagine each jurisdiction would be different, but here's what the
> feds have to say:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure-workforce
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
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> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Friday, March 20, 2020 4:52:04 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question
>
> Evidently here in Illinois it is being called a "stay at home" order.
>
> I'm not worried about gas stations closing, and grocery stores and drug
> stores will stay open.  Although I drove by a grocery store this afternoon
> and the parking lot was entirely full, so people are probably panic buying
> again.
>
> I'm still a little unclear on whether we should still book new installs
> unless there's some demonstrable emergency.  I'm not looking for a way to
> challenge the order, just to figure out what we are supposed to be doing.
> I sense there's uncertainty about things like home remodeling companies, it
> seemed like carpenters, electricians, etc. were scurrying today to finish
> up some projects near me as if they think they will be shut down.
>
> It also occurred to me that while gas stations and grocery stores will
> stay open, I'm not sure about Ace Hardware, Home Depot, etc.  Will I got to
> get supplies and find all the stores closed?  I guess the alternative is
> Amazon, McMaster, Zoro, etc. and have it delivered.  I'd just like to know
> before I need a tube of RTV or some bolts that day and find out everything
> is closed.
>
> What if someone needs a plumber or electrician to fix something at their
> house, I'd guess those are essential services?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 3:27 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question
>
> On 3/20/20 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > You are essential services.  You are a public utility.
>
> Here in NV they specifically stated "utilities as defined in NRS Chapter
> 704". I assume other states would have something similar.
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Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

[Ken Hohhof]

OK, reading the executive order, I interpret it to say Internet is essential 
infrastructure that we can continue to “offer, provision, operate, maintain and 
repair”.  I take “offer” to mean we can do new installs.

 

It also seems to say hardware stores can stay open.  Whether they do I guess is 
up to them.  My gut says Home Depot will probably be open, our local Ace HW may 
or may not.

 

https://www2.illinois.gov/Documents/ExecOrders/2020/ExecutiveOrder-2020-10.pdf

 

My superpowers do not include reading government documents.  I welcome other 
interpretations of what this means.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 4:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

 

I would imagine each jurisdiction would be different, but here's what the feds 
have to say:

 

 

https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure-workforce



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From: "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 4:52:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

Evidently here in Illinois it is being called a "stay at home" order.

I'm not worried about gas stations closing, and grocery stores and drug stores 
will stay open.  Although I drove by a grocery store this afternoon and the 
parking lot was entirely full, so people are probably panic buying again.

I'm still a little unclear on whether we should still book new installs unless 
there's some demonstrable emergency.  I'm not looking for a way to challenge 
the order, just to figure out what we are supposed to be doing.  I sense 
there's uncertainty about things like home remodeling companies, it seemed like 
carpenters, electricians, etc. were scurrying today to finish up some projects 
near me as if they think they will be shut down.

It also occurred to me that while gas stations and grocery stores will stay 
open, I'm not sure about Ace Hardware, Home Depot, etc.  Will I got to get 
supplies and find all the stores closed?  I guess the alternative is Amazon, 
McMaster, Zoro, etc. and have it delivered.  I'd just like to know before I 
need a tube of RTV or some bolts that day and find out everything is closed.

What if someone needs a plumber or electrician to fix something at their house, 
I'd guess those are essential services?


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Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 3:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

On 3/20/20 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:
> You are essential services.  You are a public utility.

Here in NV they specifically stated "utilities as defined in NRS Chapter 704". 
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Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

[Jason McKemie]

It looks like the Illinois government is just trying to induce a panic.
I'll be really curious what the numbers look like from State to State once
this blows over.

On Friday, March 20, 2020, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Evidently here in Illinois it is being called a "stay at home" order.
>
> I'm not worried about gas stations closing, and grocery stores and drug
> stores will stay open.  Although I drove by a grocery store this afternoon
> and the parking lot was entirely full, so people are probably panic buying
> again.
>
> I'm still a little unclear on whether we should still book new installs
> unless there's some demonstrable emergency.  I'm not looking for a way to
> challenge the order, just to figure out what we are supposed to be doing.
> I sense there's uncertainty about things like home remodeling companies, it
> seemed like carpenters, electricians, etc. were scurrying today to finish
> up some projects near me as if they think they will be shut down.
>
> It also occurred to me that while gas stations and grocery stores will
> stay open, I'm not sure about Ace Hardware, Home Depot, etc.  Will I got to
> get supplies and find all the stores closed?  I guess the alternative is
> Amazon, McMaster, Zoro, etc. and have it delivered.  I'd just like to know
> before I need a tube of RTV or some bolts that day and find out everything
> is closed.
>
> What if someone needs a plumber or electrician to fix something at their
> house, I'd guess those are essential services?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 3:27 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question
>
> On 3/20/20 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > You are essential services.  You are a public utility.
>
> Here in NV they specifically stated "utilities as defined in NRS Chapter
> 704". I assume other states would have something similar.
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Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

[Mike Hammett]

I would imagine each jurisdiction would be different, but here's what the feds 
have to say: 




https://www.cisa.gov/publication/guidance-essential-critical-infrastructure-workforce
 




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- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 4:52:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question 

Evidently here in Illinois it is being called a "stay at home" order. 

I'm not worried about gas stations closing, and grocery stores and drug stores 
will stay open. Although I drove by a grocery store this afternoon and the 
parking lot was entirely full, so people are probably panic buying again. 

I'm still a little unclear on whether we should still book new installs unless 
there's some demonstrable emergency. I'm not looking for a way to challenge the 
order, just to figure out what we are supposed to be doing. I sense there's 
uncertainty about things like home remodeling companies, it seemed like 
carpenters, electricians, etc. were scurrying today to finish up some projects 
near me as if they think they will be shut down. 

It also occurred to me that while gas stations and grocery stores will stay 
open, I'm not sure about Ace Hardware, Home Depot, etc. Will I got to get 
supplies and find all the stores closed? I guess the alternative is Amazon, 
McMaster, Zoro, etc. and have it delivered. I'd just like to know before I need 
a tube of RTV or some bolts that day and find out everything is closed. 

What if someone needs a plumber or electrician to fix something at their house, 
I'd guess those are essential services? 


-Original Message- 
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 3:27 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question 

On 3/20/20 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: 
> You are essential services. You are a public utility. 

Here in NV they specifically stated "utilities as defined in NRS Chapter 704". 
I assume other states would have something similar. 

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Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

[Ken Hohhof]

Evidently here in Illinois it is being called a "stay at home" order.

I'm not worried about gas stations closing, and grocery stores and drug stores 
will stay open.  Although I drove by a grocery store this afternoon and the 
parking lot was entirely full, so people are probably panic buying again.

I'm still a little unclear on whether we should still book new installs unless 
there's some demonstrable emergency.  I'm not looking for a way to challenge 
the order, just to figure out what we are supposed to be doing.  I sense 
there's uncertainty about things like home remodeling companies, it seemed like 
carpenters, electricians, etc. were scurrying today to finish up some projects 
near me as if they think they will be shut down.

It also occurred to me that while gas stations and grocery stores will stay 
open, I'm not sure about Ace Hardware, Home Depot, etc.  Will I got to get 
supplies and find all the stores closed?  I guess the alternative is Amazon, 
McMaster, Zoro, etc. and have it delivered.  I'd just like to know before I 
need a tube of RTV or some bolts that day and find out everything is closed.

What if someone needs a plumber or electrician to fix something at their house, 
I'd guess those are essential services?


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On 3/20/20 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> You are essential services.  You are a public utility.

Here in NV they specifically stated "utilities as defined in NRS Chapter 704". 
I assume other states would have something similar.

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Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

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Wouldn’t surprise me if we all got a half dozen different answers from people 
who should know.

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From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 3:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

I'm working on getting us that specific answer on an authoritative level. It's 
going to mostly boil down to enforcement and fuel access at the end of the day.

I know you're not an issue ken, but any impacted wisp needs to be professional 
and follow any commands of enforcement. We can get waivers if everyone plays 
ball. "Officer, I work with xxx isp, we are a telecommunications provider, how 
would you like me to proceed?"

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 2:32 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Maybe California people already have this figured out.  What does a “shelter in 
place” order mean for WISPs?

Can we still do new installs?  Customer repairs?  Infrastructure repairs?  I’m 
fairly sure we can do repairs since Internet would be essential services.  What 
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Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

[Kurt Fankhauser]

In the US Telecom conference call Monday they said the feds absolutely want
the bits and bytes to keep flowing to everyone right now. If cell towers go
out your internet may be the only way someone can call for help. We are
going to absolutely maintain infrastructure to existing customers. New
installs might be another story though

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 4:00 PM  wrote:

> The telecom act of 2015 I think defined BIAS providers as public
> utilities.
> Public utilities are essential services.  Just refer to your self as a
> public telecom utility.
>
> If questioned refer to the act that defines you as such.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2020 1:40 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question
>
> I'm working on getting us that specific answer on an authoritative level.
> It's going to mostly boil down to enforcement and fuel access at the end of
> the day.
>
> I know you're not an issue ken, but any impacted wisp needs to be
> professional and follow any commands of enforcement. We can get waivers if
> everyone plays ball. "Officer, I work with xxx isp, we are a
> telecommunications provider, how would you like me to proceed?"
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 2:32 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Maybe California people already have this figured out.  What does a
>> “shelter in place” order mean for WISPs?
>>
>>
>>
>> Can we still do new installs?  Customer repairs?  Infrastructure
>> repairs?  I’m fairly sure we can do repairs since Internet would be
>> essential services.  What about new installs?
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Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

[chuck]

The telecom act of 2015 I think defined BIAS providers as public utilities.  
Public utilities are essential services.  Just refer to your self as a public 
telecom utility.

If questioned refer to the act that defines you as such.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 1:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

I'm working on getting us that specific answer on an authoritative level. It's 
going to mostly boil down to enforcement and fuel access at the end of the day. 

I know you're not an issue ken, but any impacted wisp needs to be professional 
and follow any commands of enforcement. We can get waivers if everyone plays 
ball. "Officer, I work with xxx isp, we are a telecommunications provider, how 
would you like me to proceed?"

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 2:32 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Maybe California people already have this figured out.  What does a “shelter 
in place” order mean for WISPs?



  Can we still do new installs?  Customer repairs?  Infrastructure repairs?  
I’m fairly sure we can do repairs since Internet would be essential services.  
What about new installs?

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Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

[chuck]

You are essential services.  You are a public utility.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 1:32 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

Maybe California people already have this figured out.  What does a “shelter in 
place” order mean for WISPs?

 

Can we still do new installs?  Customer repairs?  Infrastructure repairs?  I’m 
fairly sure we can do repairs since Internet would be essential services.  What 
about new installs?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

[Robert]

i.e. 80% unreported unless you are someone famous or very rich...   
Sounds like that doctor that was saying over 50K cases in the US four 
days ago was spot on...


On 3/20/20 10:52 AM, Craig Baird wrote:
Based on recent experience, I don't think the published infection 
rates are anywhere close to accurate.  Why do I say that?  My 10 yo. 
daughter came down with something yesterday morning.  She came in our 
bedroom coughing, wheezing and short of breath.  She had a low-grade 
fever around 100.  We have several kids with asthma, so we gave her a 
breathing treatment using a nebulizer with albuterol sulfate.  Then we 
called our local clinic to see if we could get her into a doctor.  
After telling the attendant about the situation, instead of making an 
appointment, she referred us to a Utah state COVID-19 hotline.  We 
called that hotline, and repeated the symptoms.  That person told us 
that due because test kits are in short supply, unless there is severe 
illness, they are telling everyone who calls to simply 
self-quarantine, and call back if things get worse.


How can you rely on any infection statistics if they're only sampling 
those that are severely affected?  It's obvious to me that the 
published statistics don't represent the number of people infected.  
Rather, they represent the number of severely ill people who are 
infected.  Those with mild illness are not being included in the 
data.  At least in Utah.


Craig


On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 8:34 AM Steve Jones > wrote:


So far population infection rates haven't hit more than 1 percent
anywhere have they

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 12:07 AM Kurt Fankhauser
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm on the county health board here, they are
extremely worried about what is to come. They say the "peak"
and "flattening" isn't expected till Mid May. They have not
released that to the public yet because they don't want to
create panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way
of life for at least a few months. They are also talking about
the possibility of refrigerated semi trailers for the dead
bodies if they get that many. Our county population is over
40,000 and between the two hospitals here they have only 8
ventilators. If just one half of 1 percent of the population
here needs critical care that is over 200 people. The two
hospitals here are only setup for a couple dozen ICU beds
each. Traditionally trauma patients that come in here are
forwarded to one of the bigger cities which will not be an
option due to overstretched resources in the bigger cities and
them having even bigger problems than us. Consider that some
of the data suggests 10-20% of the infected will need
hospitalized you start to grasp the real threat to the
healthcare system. Trump knows all this, he was probably
briefed with the numbers over a month ago. He would not be
tanking the economy right now if this wasn't a real threat of
happening. If it wasn't for the travel ban we would probably
be right there with Italy as we speak...

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Mathew Howard
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

It's especially bad when revolting people revolt...

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

People are revolting, but they will start to revolt...

On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

are you saying that you're not revolting now? 
 Makes me think of the 3 Stooges line "I resemble
that remark"..

Oh wait.  Did you mean that people will start to
revolt?  Hmmm  I thought you meant people were
going to be revolting and most people already are.


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of
Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>>
*Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:37:51 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then
or you're going to have people revolting (myself
included).

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

The isolation can not last more than a few
weeks, or maybe a month - month and a half. 

Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

[David Coudron]

My understanding from the letter that WISPA provided is that we can certainly 
do infrastructure repairs.  I believe we’d also be able to do customer repairs 
as needed.  New service is probably more of a gray area, but I would expect 
that new service for a customer that has no service right now would be allowed. 
  From reading the letter, we should be able to travel as necessary and acquire 
fuel as necessary to perform these tasks.

However, my legal skills are suspect….. 

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 2:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

I'm working on getting us that specific answer on an authoritative level. It's 
going to mostly boil down to enforcement and fuel access at the end of the day.

I know you're not an issue ken, but any impacted wisp needs to be professional 
and follow any commands of enforcement. We can get waivers if everyone plays 
ball. "Officer, I work with xxx isp, we are a telecommunications provider, how 
would you like me to proceed?"

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 2:32 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Maybe California people already have this figured out.  What does a “shelter in 
place” order mean for WISPs?

Can we still do new installs?  Customer repairs?  Infrastructure repairs?  I’m 
fairly sure we can do repairs since Internet would be essential services.  What 
about new installs?
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Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

[Steve Jones]

I'm working on getting us that specific answer on an authoritative level.
It's going to mostly boil down to enforcement and fuel access at the end of
the day.

I know you're not an issue ken, but any impacted wisp needs to be
professional and follow any commands of enforcement. We can get waivers if
everyone plays ball. "Officer, I work with xxx isp, we are a
telecommunications provider, how would you like me to proceed?"

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 2:32 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Maybe California people already have this figured out.  What does a
> “shelter in place” order mean for WISPs?
>
>
>
> Can we still do new installs?  Customer repairs?  Infrastructure repairs?
> I’m fairly sure we can do repairs since Internet would be essential
> services.  What about new installs?
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Re: [AFMUG] shelter in place question

[Adam Moffett]

We're an essential service so operation mostly continues normally.

We've been asked by County health department to use discretion when 
entering a house.  If there's no way to distance ourselves from the 
person(s) inside then we're supposed to not go in.


I'm in NY though.  The governor made an address today saying you're not 
locked in your house.  If you want to go out and take a walk or go to 
the store you can, but we're supposed to avoid activities where we can't 
stay at least 6 feet away from other people.




On 3/20/2020 3:32 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Maybe California people already have this figured out.  What does a 
“shelter in place” order mean for WISPs?


Can we still do new installs?  Customer repairs?  Infrastructure 
repairs?  I’m fairly sure we can do repairs since Internet would be 
essential services.  What about new installs?



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[AFMUG] shelter in place question

[Ken Hohhof]

Maybe California people already have this figured out.  What does a "shelter
in place" order mean for WISPs?

 

Can we still do new installs?  Customer repairs?  Infrastructure repairs?
I'm fairly sure we can do repairs since Internet would be essential
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

[Adam Moffett]

A high school friend of mine has a 3yr old who just came down with a 
coughing, wheezing respiratory infection with fever.  In the absence of 
testing it's hard to know if that's Covid-19 or just a cold.  He'll get 
over it and get better and then we'll never know for sure.



On 3/20/2020 1:52 PM, Craig Baird wrote:
Based on recent experience, I don't think the published infection 
rates are anywhere close to accurate.  Why do I say that?  My 10 yo. 
daughter came down with something yesterday morning.  She came in our 
bedroom coughing, wheezing and short of breath.  She had a low-grade 
fever around 100.  We have several kids with asthma, so we gave her a 
breathing treatment using a nebulizer with albuterol sulfate.  Then we 
called our local clinic to see if we could get her into a doctor.  
After telling the attendant about the situation, instead of making an 
appointment, she referred us to a Utah state COVID-19 hotline.  We 
called that hotline, and repeated the symptoms.  That person told us 
that due because test kits are in short supply, unless there is severe 
illness, they are telling everyone who calls to simply 
self-quarantine, and call back if things get worse.


How can you rely on any infection statistics if they're only sampling 
those that are severely affected?  It's obvious to me that the 
published statistics don't represent the number of people infected.  
Rather, they represent the number of severely ill people who are 
infected.  Those with mild illness are not being included in the 
data.  At least in Utah.


Craig


On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 8:34 AM Steve Jones > wrote:


So far population infection rates haven't hit more than 1 percent
anywhere have they

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 12:07 AM Kurt Fankhauser
mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm on the county health board here, they are
extremely worried about what is to come. They say the "peak"
and "flattening" isn't expected till Mid May. They have not
released that to the public yet because they don't want to
create panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way
of life for at least a few months. They are also talking about
the possibility of refrigerated semi trailers for the dead
bodies if they get that many. Our county population is over
40,000 and between the two hospitals here they have only 8
ventilators. If just one half of 1 percent of the population
here needs critical care that is over 200 people. The two
hospitals here are only setup for a couple dozen ICU beds
each. Traditionally trauma patients that come in here are
forwarded to one of the bigger cities which will not be an
option due to overstretched resources in the bigger cities and
them having even bigger problems than us. Consider that some
of the data suggests 10-20% of the infected will need
hospitalized you start to grasp the real threat to the
healthcare system. Trump knows all this, he was probably
briefed with the numbers over a month ago. He would not be
tanking the economy right now if this wasn't a real threat of
happening. If it wasn't for the travel ban we would probably
be right there with Italy as we speak...

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Mathew Howard
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

It's especially bad when revolting people revolt...

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:

People are revolting, but they will start to revolt...

On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard
mailto:ja...@litewire.net>> wrote:

are you saying that you're not revolting now? 
 Makes me think of the 3 Stooges line "I resemble
that remark"..

Oh wait.  Did you mean that people will start to
revolt?  Hmmm  I thought you meant people were
going to be revolting and most people already are.


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of
Jason McKemie mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>>
*Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:37:51 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then
or you're going to have people revolting (myself
included).

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

  

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

[Craig Baird]

Based on recent experience, I don't think the published infection rates are
anywhere close to accurate.  Why do I say that?  My 10 yo. daughter came
down with something yesterday morning.  She came in our bedroom coughing,
wheezing and short of breath.  She had a low-grade fever around 100.  We
have several kids with asthma, so we gave her a breathing treatment using a
nebulizer with albuterol sulfate.  Then we called our local clinic to see
if we could get her into a doctor.  After telling the attendant about the
situation, instead of making an appointment, she referred us to a Utah
state COVID-19 hotline.  We called that hotline, and repeated the
symptoms.  That person told us that due because test kits are in short
supply, unless there is severe illness, they are telling everyone who calls
to simply self-quarantine, and call back if things get worse.

How can you rely on any infection statistics if they're only sampling those
that are severely affected?  It's obvious to me that the published
statistics don't represent the number of people infected.  Rather, they
represent the number of severely ill people who are infected.  Those with
mild illness are not being included in the data.  At least in Utah.

Craig


On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 8:34 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> So far population infection rates haven't hit more than 1 percent anywhere
> have they
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 12:07 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm on the county health board here, they are extremely worried about
>> what is to come. They say the "peak" and "flattening" isn't expected till
>> Mid May. They have not released that to the public yet because they don't
>> want to create panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way of
>> life for at least a few months. They are also talking about the possibility
>> of refrigerated semi trailers for the dead bodies if they get that many.
>> Our county population is over 40,000 and between the two hospitals here
>> they have only 8 ventilators. If just one half of 1 percent of the
>> population here needs critical care that is over 200 people. The two
>> hospitals here are only setup for a couple dozen ICU beds each.
>> Traditionally trauma patients that come in here are forwarded to one of the
>> bigger cities which will not be an option due to overstretched resources in
>> the bigger cities and them having even bigger problems than us. Consider
>> that some of the data suggests 10-20% of the infected will need
>> hospitalized you start to grasp the real threat to the healthcare system.
>> Trump knows all this, he was probably briefed with the numbers over a month
>> ago. He would not be tanking the economy right now if this wasn't a real
>> threat of happening. If it wasn't for the travel ban we would probably be
>> right there with Italy as we speak...
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's especially bad when revolting people revolt...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 People are revolting, but they will start to revolt...

 On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard  wrote:

> are you saying that you're not revolting now?   Makes me think of the
> 3 Stooges line "I resemble that remark"..
>
> Oh wait.  Did you mean that people will start to revolt?  Hmmm  I
> thought you meant people were going to be revolting and most people 
> already
> are.
> --
> *From:* AF  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:37:51 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>
> Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to
> have people revolting (myself included).
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince 
> wrote:
>
>> The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a month -
>> month and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of
>> walking infections without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to 
>> actually
>> test for it. After that, it's a crap shoot.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 3/19/2020 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take years
>> and people only able to half pay attention for a few weeks, we'll have to
>> find something else.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Free standing 25g on roof (one section)

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 8:42 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Set the ballast on the unistrut going out?
>
> This should work. It's only 2 months probabably
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 9:02 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Rough sketch..
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 1:28 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Working on a possible project and limiting to inventory on hand. We may
>>> want to put some EPMP clusters on a piece of 25g on some roofs. 2 of the
>>> roofs may be problematic as they are steel commercial roof with a pitch and
>>> steel ridgecap.
>>>
>>> We have a pile of 25g sections on hand and a handful of baseplates. on
>>> the flat roofs I could probably just frame out a ballast tray from angle
>>> iron and fasten the baseplate right to that couldnt I? 10 foot freestanding
>>>
>>> A peak sled could be fashioned over the steel roofs, maybe, but
>>> historically we tend to just stay off steel altogether, especially if
>>> its pitched.
>>>
>>> Aside from chuck, who can make everything. out of normal onhand items
>>> most of us have in the dead junk rooms, how would you get 10' sticks of 25g
>>> to stay put with that kind of wind load? We have been deploying 3k sectors
>>> with the smart antennas, but i think in this projects case i would
>>> forego them to limit windload.
>>>
>>> Most of these roofs are relatively short, 20-40'
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Re: [AFMUG] OT from my science teacher daughter

[justsumname .]

you mean hysterical stuff like this?

https://apnews.com/6eb1c0c83b87eac98611ac45625de63f

and maybe this, which I found here on this forum several years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk


On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 6:34 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Truer words were never spoken.
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 4:10 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> HA!
>>
>> nice one ;-)
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:07 PM  wrote:
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

[Steve Jones]

That is a concern I have around here, farmers are aging out, kids not
taking over, may be a lot of opportunity to buy the farm

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 10:43 AM  wrote:

> Cows will keep growing, hay keeps growing, farmers will keep planting.
> One single farmer can create an enormous amount of wheat.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2020 9:24 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>
>
> If people get hungry enough they might do anything.  It's not a matter of
> being inherently good or evil.  People will rationalize bad behavior to
> fulfill basic needs.
>
> Remember the warning label: *Humans under stress may exhibit poor
> behavior*
> *"I'm only hijacking this produce truck to feed my family.  I'm not really
> a bad guy." *
>
> I would disagree with an "overnight" time scale.  If supply was disrupted
> for a few months then it might be different.
>
>
> On 3/20/2020 11:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> All my life I have heard that if we have a nationwide or worldwide
> catastrophe that the supermarkets would be empty overnight and food trucks
> would be getting hijacked on the highways.  Didn’t happen.  Don’t think it
> is gonna happen.  People are inherently good.  It is an old debate.  David
> Hume vs Rousseau.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2020 8:36 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>
> Too many people talking about worst case like its expected. Anyone who
> does that is incompetent
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 1:14 AM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> No, we have a media problem, views and clicks pay, and panic gets more of
>> those than anything else. Not that there isn't an issue, but we're
>> "capitalizing" on it the most efficiently.
>>
>> On Friday, March 20, 2020, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm on the county health board here, they are extremely worried about
>>> what is to come. They say the "peak" and "flattening" isn't expected till
>>> Mid May. They have not released that to the public yet because they don't
>>> want to create panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way of
>>> life for at least a few months. They are also talking about the possibility
>>> of refrigerated semi trailers for the dead bodies if they get that many.
>>> Our county population is over 40,000 and between the two hospitals here
>>> they have only 8 ventilators. If just one half of 1 percent of the
>>> population here needs critical care that is over 200 people. The two
>>> hospitals here are only setup for a couple dozen ICU beds each.
>>> Traditionally trauma patients that come in here are forwarded to one of the
>>> bigger cities which will not be an option due to overstretched resources in
>>> the bigger cities and them having even bigger problems than us. Consider
>>> that some of the data suggests 10-20% of the infected will need
>>> hospitalized you start to grasp the real threat to the healthcare system.
>>> Trump knows all this, he was probably briefed with the numbers over a month
>>> ago. He would not be tanking the economy right now if this wasn't a real
>>> threat of happening. If it wasn't for the travel ban we would probably be
>>> right there with Italy as we speak...
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It's especially bad when revolting people revolt...

 On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> People are revolting, but they will start to revolt...
>
> On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard  wrote:
>
>> are you saying that you're not revolting now?   Makes me think of the
>> 3 Stooges line "I resemble that remark"..
>>
>> Oh wait.  Did you mean that people will start to revolt?  Hmmm  I
>> thought you meant people were going to be revolting and most people 
>> already
>> are.
>> --
>> *From:* AF  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:37:51 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>>
>> Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to
>> have people revolting (myself included).
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a month -
>>> month and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of
>>> walking infections without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to 
>>> actually
>>> test for it. After that, it's a crap shoot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/19/2020 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>
>>> With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take years
>>> and people only able 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

[chuck]

Whelp my grandfather enforced quarantines in 1918.  Actually made some 
people move to “pest houses” and made sure they had food and never left the 
building.  
Nobody hijacked food deliveries back then either.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 9:24 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

If people get hungry enough they might do anything.  It's not a matter of being 
inherently good or evil.  People will rationalize bad behavior to fulfill basic 
needs.  


Remember the warning label: Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior
"I'm only hijacking this produce truck to feed my family.  I'm not really a bad 
guy." 

I would disagree with an "overnight" time scale.  If supply was disrupted for a 
few months then it might be different.



On 3/20/2020 11:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  All my life I have heard that if we have a nationwide or worldwide 
catastrophe that the supermarkets would be empty overnight and food trucks 
would be getting hijacked on the highways.  Didn’t happen.  Don’t think it is 
gonna happen.  People are inherently good.  It is an old debate.  David Hume vs 
Rousseau.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 8:36 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

  Too many people talking about worst case like its expected. Anyone who does 
that is incompetent

  On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 1:14 AM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

No, we have a media problem, views and clicks pay, and panic gets more of 
those than anything else. Not that there isn't an issue, but we're 
"capitalizing" on it the most efficiently.  

On Friday, March 20, 2020, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

  I'm on the county health board here, they are extremely worried about 
what is to come. They say the "peak" and "flattening" isn't expected till Mid 
May. They have not released that to the public yet because they don't want to 
create panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way of life for at 
least a few months. They are also talking about the possibility of refrigerated 
semi trailers for the dead bodies if they get that many. Our county population 
is over 40,000 and between the two hospitals here they have only 8 ventilators. 
If just one half of 1 percent of the population here needs critical care that 
is over 200 people. The two hospitals here are only setup for a couple dozen 
ICU beds each. Traditionally trauma patients that come in here are forwarded to 
one of the bigger cities which will not be an option due to overstretched 
resources in the bigger cities and them having even bigger problems than us. 
Consider that some of the data suggests 10-20% of the infected will need 
hospitalized you start to grasp the real threat to the healthcare system. Trump 
knows all this, he was probably briefed with the numbers over a month ago. He 
would not be tanking the economy right now if this wasn't a real threat of 
happening. If it wasn't for the travel ban we would probably be right there 
with Italy as we speak...

  On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Mathew Howard  
wrote:

It's especially bad when revolting people revolt...

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  People are revolting, but they will start to revolt...

  On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard  wrote:

are you saying that you're not revolting now?   Makes me think of 
the 3 Stooges line "I resemble that remark".. 

Oh wait.  Did you mean that people will start to revolt?  Hmmm  
I thought you meant people were going to be revolting and most people already 
are.



From: AF  on behalf of Jason McKemie 

Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:37:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies 

Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to 
have people revolting (myself included).

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince  
wrote:

  The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a 
month - month and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of 
walking infections without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to actually 
test for it. After that, it's a crap shoot. 




bp


On 3/19/2020 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take 
years and people only able to half pay attention for a few weeks, we'll have to 
find something else.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
   

Re: [AFMUG] Wb Surge suppressor surface contact

[Josh Luthman]

You'd easily get close to 0 ohms, which I think is really the test for your
grounding.

That's a really neat idea, but I'd definitely put it in an APC metal box
when you get some time.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 4:04 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I've soldered a ground wire onto thesis a few times, but I like Steve's
> approach better... much easier to change it later, or to move it to a
> chassis.
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:01 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Looks OK to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> I assume you want to use the modules later in a chassis, but you could
>> just surface-solder a wire to the PCB.  Just don’t get crazy with the heat
>> and delaminate the copper foil from the glass epoxy board.  I’d bet you
>> could clean the solder off later with some solder wick and the modules
>> would be fine.
>>
>>
>>
>> But I don’t see anything wrong with your approach.  Let’s face it, while
>> the grounding scolds tell you to use stuff like 10 AWG ground wires, the
>> Cat5 wires are only 24 AWG.  I think the heavy wire is more for the length
>> than the current carrying capacity.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:38 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Wb Surge suppressor surface contact
>>
>>
>>
>> If I needed some gigabit surge suppressors in a pinch and all I had on
>> hand were the apc cards, but no enclosure, how much surface contact would I
>> need for these to be effective? Would this work? I'm assuming it's not
>> enough contact.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

[chuck]

Cows will keep growing, hay keeps growing, farmers will keep planting.  
One single farmer can create an enormous amount of wheat.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 9:24 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

If people get hungry enough they might do anything.  It's not a matter of being 
inherently good or evil.  People will rationalize bad behavior to fulfill basic 
needs.  


Remember the warning label: Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior
"I'm only hijacking this produce truck to feed my family.  I'm not really a bad 
guy." 

I would disagree with an "overnight" time scale.  If supply was disrupted for a 
few months then it might be different.



On 3/20/2020 11:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  All my life I have heard that if we have a nationwide or worldwide 
catastrophe that the supermarkets would be empty overnight and food trucks 
would be getting hijacked on the highways.  Didn’t happen.  Don’t think it is 
gonna happen.  People are inherently good.  It is an old debate.  David Hume vs 
Rousseau.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 8:36 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

  Too many people talking about worst case like its expected. Anyone who does 
that is incompetent

  On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 1:14 AM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

No, we have a media problem, views and clicks pay, and panic gets more of 
those than anything else. Not that there isn't an issue, but we're 
"capitalizing" on it the most efficiently.  

On Friday, March 20, 2020, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

  I'm on the county health board here, they are extremely worried about 
what is to come. They say the "peak" and "flattening" isn't expected till Mid 
May. They have not released that to the public yet because they don't want to 
create panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way of life for at 
least a few months. They are also talking about the possibility of refrigerated 
semi trailers for the dead bodies if they get that many. Our county population 
is over 40,000 and between the two hospitals here they have only 8 ventilators. 
If just one half of 1 percent of the population here needs critical care that 
is over 200 people. The two hospitals here are only setup for a couple dozen 
ICU beds each. Traditionally trauma patients that come in here are forwarded to 
one of the bigger cities which will not be an option due to overstretched 
resources in the bigger cities and them having even bigger problems than us. 
Consider that some of the data suggests 10-20% of the infected will need 
hospitalized you start to grasp the real threat to the healthcare system. Trump 
knows all this, he was probably briefed with the numbers over a month ago. He 
would not be tanking the economy right now if this wasn't a real threat of 
happening. If it wasn't for the travel ban we would probably be right there 
with Italy as we speak...

  On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Mathew Howard  
wrote:

It's especially bad when revolting people revolt...

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  People are revolting, but they will start to revolt...

  On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard  wrote:

are you saying that you're not revolting now?   Makes me think of 
the 3 Stooges line "I resemble that remark".. 

Oh wait.  Did you mean that people will start to revolt?  Hmmm  
I thought you meant people were going to be revolting and most people already 
are.



From: AF  on behalf of Jason McKemie 

Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:37:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies 

Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to 
have people revolting (myself included).

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince  
wrote:

  The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a 
month - month and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of 
walking infections without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to actually 
test for it. After that, it's a crap shoot. 




bp


On 3/19/2020 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take 
years and people only able to half pay attention for a few weeks, we'll have to 
find something else.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:54:45 PM
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

[Steve Jones]

They are been going to be hungry because they are stupid and assume there
is no food when there is.
People with imagined problems are the worst
We've seen it on display

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 10:25 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> If people get hungry enough they might do anything.  It's not a matter of
> being inherently good or evil.  People will rationalize bad behavior to
> fulfill basic needs.
>
> Remember the warning label: *Humans under stress may exhibit poor
> behavior*
> *"I'm only hijacking this produce truck to feed my family.  I'm not really
> a bad guy." *
>
> I would disagree with an "overnight" time scale.  If supply was disrupted
> for a few months then it might be different.
>
>
> On 3/20/2020 11:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> All my life I have heard that if we have a nationwide or worldwide
> catastrophe that the supermarkets would be empty overnight and food trucks
> would be getting hijacked on the highways.  Didn’t happen.  Don’t think it
> is gonna happen.  People are inherently good.  It is an old debate.  David
> Hume vs Rousseau.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2020 8:36 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>
> Too many people talking about worst case like its expected. Anyone who
> does that is incompetent
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 1:14 AM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> No, we have a media problem, views and clicks pay, and panic gets more of
>> those than anything else. Not that there isn't an issue, but we're
>> "capitalizing" on it the most efficiently.
>>
>> On Friday, March 20, 2020, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm on the county health board here, they are extremely worried about
>>> what is to come. They say the "peak" and "flattening" isn't expected till
>>> Mid May. They have not released that to the public yet because they don't
>>> want to create panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way of
>>> life for at least a few months. They are also talking about the possibility
>>> of refrigerated semi trailers for the dead bodies if they get that many.
>>> Our county population is over 40,000 and between the two hospitals here
>>> they have only 8 ventilators. If just one half of 1 percent of the
>>> population here needs critical care that is over 200 people. The two
>>> hospitals here are only setup for a couple dozen ICU beds each.
>>> Traditionally trauma patients that come in here are forwarded to one of the
>>> bigger cities which will not be an option due to overstretched resources in
>>> the bigger cities and them having even bigger problems than us. Consider
>>> that some of the data suggests 10-20% of the infected will need
>>> hospitalized you start to grasp the real threat to the healthcare system.
>>> Trump knows all this, he was probably briefed with the numbers over a month
>>> ago. He would not be tanking the economy right now if this wasn't a real
>>> threat of happening. If it wasn't for the travel ban we would probably be
>>> right there with Italy as we speak...
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It's especially bad when revolting people revolt...

 On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> People are revolting, but they will start to revolt...
>
> On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard  wrote:
>
>> are you saying that you're not revolting now?   Makes me think of the
>> 3 Stooges line "I resemble that remark"..
>>
>> Oh wait.  Did you mean that people will start to revolt?  Hmmm  I
>> thought you meant people were going to be revolting and most people 
>> already
>> are.
>> --
>> *From:* AF  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:37:51 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>>
>> Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to
>> have people revolting (myself included).
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a month -
>>> month and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of
>>> walking infections without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to 
>>> actually
>>> test for it. After that, it's a crap shoot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/19/2020 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>
>>> With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take years
>>> and people only able to half pay attention for a few weeks, we'll have 
>>> to
>>> find something else.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

[chuck]

All my life I have heard that if we have a nationwide or worldwide catastrophe 
that the supermarkets would be empty overnight and food trucks would be getting 
hijacked on the highways.  Didn’t happen.  Don’t think it is gonna happen.  
People are inherently good.  It is an old debate.  David Hume vs Rousseau.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 8:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

Too many people talking about worst case like its expected. Anyone who does 
that is incompetent

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 1:14 AM Jason McKemie  
wrote:

  No, we have a media problem, views and clicks pay, and panic gets more of 
those than anything else. Not that there isn't an issue, but we're 
"capitalizing" on it the most efficiently.  

  On Friday, March 20, 2020, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

I'm on the county health board here, they are extremely worried about what 
is to come. They say the "peak" and "flattening" isn't expected till Mid May. 
They have not released that to the public yet because they don't want to create 
panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way of life for at least a 
few months. They are also talking about the possibility of refrigerated semi 
trailers for the dead bodies if they get that many. Our county population is 
over 40,000 and between the two hospitals here they have only 8 ventilators. If 
just one half of 1 percent of the population here needs critical care that is 
over 200 people. The two hospitals here are only setup for a couple dozen ICU 
beds each. Traditionally trauma patients that come in here are forwarded to one 
of the bigger cities which will not be an option due to overstretched resources 
in the bigger cities and them having even bigger problems than us. Consider 
that some of the data suggests 10-20% of the infected will need hospitalized 
you start to grasp the real threat to the healthcare system. Trump knows all 
this, he was probably briefed with the numbers over a month ago. He would not 
be tanking the economy right now if this wasn't a real threat of happening. If 
it wasn't for the travel ban we would probably be right there with Italy as we 
speak...

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

  It's especially bad when revolting people revolt...

  On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

People are revolting, but they will start to revolt...

On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard  wrote:

  are you saying that you're not revolting now?   Makes me think of the 
3 Stooges line "I resemble that remark".. 

  Oh wait.  Did you mean that people will start to revolt?  Hmmm  I 
thought you meant people were going to be revolting and most people already 
are.

--

  From: AF  on behalf of Jason McKemie 

  Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:37:51 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies 

  Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to 
have people revolting (myself included).

  On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince  
wrote:

The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a month 
- month and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of walking 
infections without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to actually test for 
it. After that, it's a crap shoot. 




bp


On 3/19/2020 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take 
years and people only able to half pay attention for a few weeks, we'll have to 
find something else.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:54:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies


  The "plan" (no jokes please) seems to be short term isolation to 
try and flatten the curve. With that, all the infected people not having 
symptoms will become immune (to some extent) and no longer be contagious. I 
don't think we can keep people bottled up for more than a few weeks.



bp


On 3/19/2020 12:49 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Has anybody laid out what the long term plan is? 

We can't keep everybody at home forever and we can't stop all 
international trade and travel so sooner or later the virus has to run it's 
course, or so it seems to me.

I know we're trying to slow down the spread so we don't 
overwhelm the hospital capacity and that's great.  Are we going to somehow 
reduce social 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

[chuck]

Maybe I will just go get a prophylactic tracheostomy now before the rush 
starts.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

No, we have a media problem, views and clicks pay, and panic gets more of those 
than anything else. Not that there isn't an issue, but we're "capitalizing" on 
it the most efficiently.  

On Friday, March 20, 2020, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

  I'm on the county health board here, they are extremely worried about what is 
to come. They say the "peak" and "flattening" isn't expected till Mid May. They 
have not released that to the public yet because they don't want to create 
panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way of life for at least a 
few months. They are also talking about the possibility of refrigerated semi 
trailers for the dead bodies if they get that many. Our county population is 
over 40,000 and between the two hospitals here they have only 8 ventilators. If 
just one half of 1 percent of the population here needs critical care that is 
over 200 people. The two hospitals here are only setup for a couple dozen ICU 
beds each. Traditionally trauma patients that come in here are forwarded to one 
of the bigger cities which will not be an option due to overstretched resources 
in the bigger cities and them having even bigger problems than us. Consider 
that some of the data suggests 10-20% of the infected will need hospitalized 
you start to grasp the real threat to the healthcare system. Trump knows all 
this, he was probably briefed with the numbers over a month ago. He would not 
be tanking the economy right now if this wasn't a real threat of happening. If 
it wasn't for the travel ban we would probably be right there with Italy as we 
speak...

  On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:

It's especially bad when revolting people revolt...

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  People are revolting, but they will start to revolt...

  On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard  wrote:

are you saying that you're not revolting now?   Makes me think of the 3 
Stooges line "I resemble that remark".. 

Oh wait.  Did you mean that people will start to revolt?  Hmmm  I 
thought you meant people were going to be revolting and most people already 
are.



From: AF  on behalf of Jason McKemie 

Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:37:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies 

Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to 
have people revolting (myself included).

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a month - 
month and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of walking 
infections without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to actually test for 
it. After that, it's a crap shoot. 




bp


On 3/19/2020 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take 
years and people only able to half pay attention for a few weeks, we'll have to 
find something else.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:54:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies


The "plan" (no jokes please) seems to be short term isolation to 
try and flatten the curve. With that, all the infected people not having 
symptoms will become immune (to some extent) and no longer be contagious. I 
don't think we can keep people bottled up for more than a few weeks.



bp


On 3/19/2020 12:49 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  Has anybody laid out what the long term plan is? 

  We can't keep everybody at home forever and we can't stop all 
international trade and travel so sooner or later the virus has to run it's 
course, or so it seems to me.

  I know we're trying to slow down the spread so we don't overwhelm 
the hospital capacity and that's great.  Are we going to somehow reduce social 
isolation over time in a controlled way, or will social isolation end 
organically as people get sick of staying home?




  On 3/19/2020 3:16 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

I dont know how many times i need to point out this logic 

The US is undercounted, thats a given. undercounting does not 
equate hidden numbers of magnitude

Heres the logic thats completely being ignored

Re: [AFMUG] Free standing 25g on roof (one section)

[Steve Jones]

Set the ballast on the unistrut going out?

This should work. It's only 2 months probabably

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 9:02 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Rough sketch..
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 1:28 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Working on a possible project and limiting to inventory on hand. We may
>> want to put some EPMP clusters on a piece of 25g on some roofs. 2 of the
>> roofs may be problematic as they are steel commercial roof with a pitch and
>> steel ridgecap.
>>
>> We have a pile of 25g sections on hand and a handful of baseplates. on
>> the flat roofs I could probably just frame out a ballast tray from angle
>> iron and fasten the baseplate right to that couldnt I? 10 foot freestanding
>>
>> A peak sled could be fashioned over the steel roofs, maybe, but
>> historically we tend to just stay off steel altogether, especially if
>> its pitched.
>>
>> Aside from chuck, who can make everything. out of normal onhand items
>> most of us have in the dead junk rooms, how would you get 10' sticks of 25g
>> to stay put with that kind of wind load? We have been deploying 3k sectors
>> with the smart antennas, but i think in this projects case i would
>> forego them to limit windload.
>>
>> Most of these roofs are relatively short, 20-40'
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

[Steve Jones]

Too many people talking about worst case like its expected. Anyone who does
that is incompetent

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 1:14 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> No, we have a media problem, views and clicks pay, and panic gets more of
> those than anything else. Not that there isn't an issue, but we're
> "capitalizing" on it the most efficiently.
>
> On Friday, March 20, 2020, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm on the county health board here, they are extremely worried about
>> what is to come. They say the "peak" and "flattening" isn't expected till
>> Mid May. They have not released that to the public yet because they don't
>> want to create panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way of
>> life for at least a few months. They are also talking about the possibility
>> of refrigerated semi trailers for the dead bodies if they get that many.
>> Our county population is over 40,000 and between the two hospitals here
>> they have only 8 ventilators. If just one half of 1 percent of the
>> population here needs critical care that is over 200 people. The two
>> hospitals here are only setup for a couple dozen ICU beds each.
>> Traditionally trauma patients that come in here are forwarded to one of the
>> bigger cities which will not be an option due to overstretched resources in
>> the bigger cities and them having even bigger problems than us. Consider
>> that some of the data suggests 10-20% of the infected will need
>> hospitalized you start to grasp the real threat to the healthcare system.
>> Trump knows all this, he was probably briefed with the numbers over a month
>> ago. He would not be tanking the economy right now if this wasn't a real
>> threat of happening. If it wasn't for the travel ban we would probably be
>> right there with Italy as we speak...
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's especially bad when revolting people revolt...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 People are revolting, but they will start to revolt...

 On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard  wrote:

> are you saying that you're not revolting now?   Makes me think of the
> 3 Stooges line "I resemble that remark"..
>
> Oh wait.  Did you mean that people will start to revolt?  Hmmm  I
> thought you meant people were going to be revolting and most people 
> already
> are.
> --
> *From:* AF  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:37:51 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>
> Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to
> have people revolting (myself included).
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince 
> wrote:
>
>> The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a month -
>> month and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of
>> walking infections without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to 
>> actually
>> test for it. After that, it's a crap shoot.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 3/19/2020 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take years
>> and people only able to half pay attention for a few weeks, we'll have to
>> find something else.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Bill Prince"  
>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:54:45 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>>
>> The "plan" (no jokes please) seems to be short term isolation to try
>> and flatten the curve. With that, all the infected people not having
>> symptoms will become immune (to some extent) and no longer be 
>> contagious. I
>> don't think we can keep people bottled up for more than a few weeks.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 3/19/2020 12:49 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> Has anybody laid out what the long term plan is?
>>
>> We can't keep 

Re: [AFMUG] Free standing 25g on roof (one section)

[Jason McKemie]

Here is an idea for the flat roofs:

https://www.rohnnet.com/rohn-25g-ballast-roof-mount

On Thursday, March 19, 2020, Steve Jones  wrote:

> Working on a possible project and limiting to inventory on hand. We may
> want to put some EPMP clusters on a piece of 25g on some roofs. 2 of the
> roofs may be problematic as they are steel commercial roof with a pitch and
> steel ridgecap.
>
> We have a pile of 25g sections on hand and a handful of baseplates. on the
> flat roofs I could probably just frame out a ballast tray from angle iron
> and fasten the baseplate right to that couldnt I? 10 foot freestanding
>
> A peak sled could be fashioned over the steel roofs, maybe, but
> historically we tend to just stay off steel altogether, especially if
> its pitched.
>
> Aside from chuck, who can make everything. out of normal onhand items most
> of us have in the dead junk rooms, how would you get 10' sticks of 25g to
> stay put with that kind of wind load? We have been deploying 3k sectors
> with the smart antennas, but i think in this projects case i would
> forego them to limit windload.
>
> Most of these roofs are relatively short, 20-40'
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

[Steve Jones]

So far population infection rates haven't hit more than 1 percent anywhere
have they

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 12:07 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> I'm on the county health board here, they are extremely worried about what
> is to come. They say the "peak" and "flattening" isn't expected till Mid
> May. They have not released that to the public yet because they don't want
> to create panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way of life
> for at least a few months. They are also talking about the possibility of
> refrigerated semi trailers for the dead bodies if they get that many. Our
> county population is over 40,000 and between the two hospitals here they
> have only 8 ventilators. If just one half of 1 percent of the population
> here needs critical care that is over 200 people. The two hospitals here
> are only setup for a couple dozen ICU beds each. Traditionally trauma
> patients that come in here are forwarded to one of the bigger cities which
> will not be an option due to overstretched resources in the bigger cities
> and them having even bigger problems than us. Consider that some of the
> data suggests 10-20% of the infected will need hospitalized you start to
> grasp the real threat to the healthcare system. Trump knows all this, he
> was probably briefed with the numbers over a month ago. He would not be
> tanking the economy right now if this wasn't a real threat of happening. If
> it wasn't for the travel ban we would probably be right there with Italy as
> we speak...
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> It's especially bad when revolting people revolt...
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> People are revolting, but they will start to revolt...
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard  wrote:
>>>
 are you saying that you're not revolting now?   Makes me think of the 3
 Stooges line "I resemble that remark"..

 Oh wait.  Did you mean that people will start to revolt?  Hmmm  I
 thought you meant people were going to be revolting and most people already
 are.
 --
 *From:* AF  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:37:51 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

 Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to
 have people revolting (myself included).

 On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince 
 wrote:

> The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a month -
> month and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of
> walking infections without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to 
> actually
> test for it. After that, it's a crap shoot.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/19/2020 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take years
> and people only able to half pay attention for a few weeks, we'll have to
> find something else.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Bill Prince"  
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:54:45 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>
> The "plan" (no jokes please) seems to be short term isolation to try
> and flatten the curve. With that, all the infected people not having
> symptoms will become immune (to some extent) and no longer be contagious. 
> I
> don't think we can keep people bottled up for more than a few weeks.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/19/2020 12:49 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Has anybody laid out what the long term plan is?
>
> We can't keep everybody at home forever and we can't stop all
> international trade and travel so sooner or later the virus has to run 
> it's
> course, or so it seems to me.
>
> I know we're trying to slow down the spread so we don't overwhelm the
> hospital capacity and that's great.  Are we going to somehow reduce social
> isolation over time in a controlled way, or will social isolation 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

[Mike Hammett]

The problem with "shelter in place" is that s many exemptions, does it 
really help any? 


What percentage of the population has legitimate reasons to bypass it? Farmers, 
anyone in food, medical supplies, or healthcare, anyone in logistics, anyone in 
retail that supplies the former. What have you really gained... other than fear 
and power flexing? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 9:50:47 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies 


Entire state of California is now "shelter in place". Guvna says it is a moment 
in time, and an effort to flatten the curve. 
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/19/california-governor-issues-statewide-order-to-stay-at-home-effective-thursday-evening.html
 bp
 
On 3/19/2020 7:02 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 




Study in Iceland (which is testing a ton more people than we are) finds about 
half of those who test positive were asymptomatic. 
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/coronavirus-testing-iceland 

A small town in Italy tested everyone and found the same thing. And when they 
isolated the asymptomatic people, the new cases went to zero. 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/18/scientists-say-mass-tests-in-italian-town-have-halted-covid-19
 

“We were able to contain the outbreak here, because we identified and 
eliminated the ‘submerged’ infections and isolated them,” Andrea Crisanti, an 
infections expert at Imperial College London, who took part in the Vò project, 
told the Financial Times. “That is what makes the difference.” 
The research allowed for the identification of at least six asymptomatic people 
who tested positive for Covid-19. ‘‘If these people had not been discovered,” 
said the researchers, they would probably have unknowingly infected other 
inhabitants. 
“The percentage of infected people, even if asymptomatic, in the population is 
very high,” wrote Sergio Romagnani, professor of clinical immunology at the 
University of Florence, in a letter to the authorities. “The isolation of 
asymptomatics is essential to be able to control the spread of the virus and 
the severity of the disease.” 


From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:38 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies 


Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to have people 
revolting (myself included). 



On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 



The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a month - month and 
a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of walking infections 
without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to actually test for it. After 
that, it's a crap shoot. 
bp  

On 3/19/2020 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take years and people 
only able to half pay attention for a few weeks, we'll have to find something 
else. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:54:45 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies 
The "plan" (no jokes please) seems to be short term isolation to try and 
flatten the curve. With that, all the infected people not having symptoms will 
become immune (to some extent) and no longer be contagious. I don't think we 
can keep people bottled up for more than a few weeks. 
bp  

On 3/19/2020 12:49 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: 


Has anybody laid out what the long term plan is? 
We can't keep everybody at home forever and we can't stop all international 
trade and travel so sooner or later the virus has to run it's course, or so it 
seems to me. 
I know we're trying to slow down the spread so we don't overwhelm the hospital 
capacity and that's great. Are we going to somehow reduce social isolation over 
time in a controlled way, or will social isolation end organically as people 
get sick of staying home? 


On 3/19/2020 3:16 PM, Steve Jones wrote: 



I dont know how many times i need to point out this logic 



The US is undercounted, thats a given. undercounting does not equate hidden 
numbers of magnitude 



Heres the logic thats completely being ignored 



The deaths associated with COVID19 that werent tested would have been 
attributed to flu 

There has been no reported increase in flu deaths per the anticipated rates 
this year 



The testing that has been done is very promising. Yesterdays counts of those 
tested were running around 8 percent positive. This does NOT equate to 8 
percent of the population. The "administration bad, nobody can just go get a 
test for curiousity" argument further strengthens this as a promising number. 
The ONLY people being tested for the most part, are those in the very 

Re: [AFMUG] Free standing 25g on roof (one section)

[dave via AF]

Exactly more professional and possibly a long term install.
If you have a steel building with pitch im sure there would be a place 
somewhere on the outside to do a small pad and pin and building 
attachment to go above peek height needed.

 I mean if your gonna do it make it last ten years...


On 3/19/20 3:26 PM, Jason Wilson wrote:

Take a look at this to get the creative juices flowing.

https://www.ispsupplies.com/RF-Armor-NPM30WM

I carry one in stock pretty much at all times.  Consider mounting 
similar with ballasts to a trailer and put up 2 sections, it will get 
rid of the rooftop issue.




Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
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On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:28 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Working on a possible project and limiting to inventory on hand.
We may want to put some EPMP clusters on a piece of 25g on some
roofs. 2 of the roofs may be problematic as they are steel
commercial roof with a pitch and steel ridgecap.

We have a pile of 25g sections on hand and a handful of
baseplates. on the flat roofs I could probably just frame out a
ballast tray from angle iron and fasten the baseplate right to
that couldnt I? 10 foot freestanding

A peak sled could be fashioned over the steel roofs, maybe, but
historically we tend to just stay off steel altogether, especially
if its pitched.

Aside from chuck, who can make everything. out of normal
onhand items most of us have in the dead junk rooms, how would you
get 10' sticks of 25g to stay put with that kind of wind load? We
have been deploying 3k sectors with the smart antennas, but i
think in this projects case i would forego them to limit windload.

Most of these roofs are relatively short, 20-40'
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Re: [AFMUG] Free standing 25g on roof (one section)

[Jaime Solorza]

We built a frame support using uni-strut and cinder blocks ...it was solid
..three foot dish , many years again...will draw a sketch in a bit...

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 2:10 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> That sounds like an insurance claim waiting to happen.  I would be more
> optimistic if it was a flat roof, or if you were going to use guy wires.
> No way to put the 25G on the side of the building?
>
>
>
> I know you said inventory on hand, but the only way I can think of to get
> 10 feet above a peaked roof with a nonpen mount would be one of these:
>
>
>
>
> https://www.bairdmounts.com/products/wireless/complete-list/Universal-Ridgemount-10-ft/Universal-Ridgemount,-4.50-O.D.-x-10-Mast-w-Pad?pid=1795=91
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:27 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Free standing 25g on roof (one section)
>
>
>
> Working on a possible project and limiting to inventory on hand. We may
> want to put some EPMP clusters on a piece of 25g on some roofs. 2 of the
> roofs may be problematic as they are steel commercial roof with a pitch and
> steel ridgecap.
>
>
>
> We have a pile of 25g sections on hand and a handful of baseplates. on the
> flat roofs I could probably just frame out a ballast tray from angle iron
> and fasten the baseplate right to that couldnt I? 10 foot freestanding
>
>
>
> A peak sled could be fashioned over the steel roofs, maybe, but
> historically we tend to just stay off steel altogether, especially if
> its pitched.
>
>
>
> Aside from chuck, who can make everything. out of normal onhand items most
> of us have in the dead junk rooms, how would you get 10' sticks of 25g to
> stay put with that kind of wind load? We have been deploying 3k sectors
> with the smart antennas, but i think in this projects case i would
> forego them to limit windload.
>
>
>
> Most of these roofs are relatively short, 20-40'
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Re: [AFMUG] OT..Just because

[Jaime Solorza]

Maybe..if work dries up next few weeks.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 12:48 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Is it really ever too early?
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 1:20 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Fridge...too early
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, 12:11 PM James Howard  wrote:
>>
>>> Where is the Tecate?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 1:06 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT..Just because
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Buen dia raza
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

[Jason McKemie]

No, we have a media problem, views and clicks pay, and panic gets more of
those than anything else. Not that there isn't an issue, but we're
"capitalizing" on it the most efficiently.

On Friday, March 20, 2020, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

> I'm on the county health board here, they are extremely worried about what
> is to come. They say the "peak" and "flattening" isn't expected till Mid
> May. They have not released that to the public yet because they don't want
> to create panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way of life
> for at least a few months. They are also talking about the possibility of
> refrigerated semi trailers for the dead bodies if they get that many. Our
> county population is over 40,000 and between the two hospitals here they
> have only 8 ventilators. If just one half of 1 percent of the population
> here needs critical care that is over 200 people. The two hospitals here
> are only setup for a couple dozen ICU beds each. Traditionally trauma
> patients that come in here are forwarded to one of the bigger cities which
> will not be an option due to overstretched resources in the bigger cities
> and them having even bigger problems than us. Consider that some of the
> data suggests 10-20% of the infected will need hospitalized you start to
> grasp the real threat to the healthcare system. Trump knows all this, he
> was probably briefed with the numbers over a month ago. He would not be
> tanking the economy right now if this wasn't a real threat of happening. If
> it wasn't for the travel ban we would probably be right there with Italy as
> we speak...
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> It's especially bad when revolting people revolt...
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> People are revolting, but they will start to revolt...
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard  wrote:
>>>
 are you saying that you're not revolting now?   Makes me think of the 3
 Stooges line "I resemble that remark"..

 Oh wait.  Did you mean that people will start to revolt?  Hmmm  I
 thought you meant people were going to be revolting and most people already
 are.
 --
 *From:* AF  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:37:51 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies

 Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to
 have people revolting (myself included).

 On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince 
 wrote:

> The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a month -
> month and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of
> walking infections without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to 
> actually
> test for it. After that, it's a crap shoot.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/19/2020 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take years
> and people only able to half pay attention for a few weeks, we'll have to
> find something else.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Bill Prince"  
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:54:45 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>
> The "plan" (no jokes please) seems to be short term isolation to try
> and flatten the curve. With that, all the infected people not having
> symptoms will become immune (to some extent) and no longer be contagious. 
> I
> don't think we can keep people bottled up for more than a few weeks.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/19/2020 12:49 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Has anybody laid out what the long term plan is?
>
> We can't keep everybody at home forever and we can't stop all
> international trade and travel so sooner or later the virus has to run 
> it's
> course, or so it seems to me.
>
> I know we're trying to slow down the spread so we don't overwhelm the
> hospital capacity and that's great.  Are we going to