Too many people talking about worst case like its expected. Anyone who does
that is incompetent
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 1:14 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
> No, we have a media problem, views and clicks pay, and panic gets more of
> those than anything else. Not that there isn't an issue, but we're
> "capitalizing" on it the most efficiently.
>
> On Friday, March 20, 2020, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm on the county health board here, they are extremely worried about
>> what is to come. They say the "peak" and "flattening" isn't expected till
>> Mid May. They have not released that to the public yet because they don't
>> want to create panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way of
>> life for at least a few months. They are also talking about the possibility
>> of refrigerated semi trailers for the dead bodies if they get that many.
>> Our county population is over 40,000 and between the two hospitals here
>> they have only 8 ventilators. If just one half of 1 percent of the
>> population here needs critical care that is over 200 people. The two
>> hospitals here are only setup for a couple dozen ICU beds each.
>> Traditionally trauma patients that come in here are forwarded to one of the
>> bigger cities which will not be an option due to overstretched resources in
>> the bigger cities and them having even bigger problems than us. Consider
>> that some of the data suggests 10-20% of the infected will need
>> hospitalized you start to grasp the real threat to the healthcare system.
>> Trump knows all this, he was probably briefed with the numbers over a month
>> ago. He would not be tanking the economy right now if this wasn't a real
>> threat of happening. If it wasn't for the travel ban we would probably be
>> right there with Italy as we speak...
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's especially bad when revolting people revolt...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> People are revolting, but they will start to revolt...
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard <ja...@litewire.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> are you saying that you're not revolting now? Makes me think of the
>>>>> 3 Stooges line "I resemble that remark"......
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh wait. Did you mean that people will start to revolt? Hmmm.... I
>>>>> thought you meant people were going to be revolting and most people
>>>>> already
>>>>> are.....
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>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Jason McKemie <
>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:37:51 PM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to
>>>>> have people revolting (myself included).
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a month -
>>>>>> month and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of
>>>>>> walking infections without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> test for it. After that, it's a crap shoot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/19/2020 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take years
>>>>>> and people only able to half pay attention for a few weeks, we'll have to
>>>>>> find something else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> <part15...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:54:45 PM
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The "plan" (no jokes please) seems to be short term isolation to try
>>>>>> and flatten the curve. With that, all the infected people not having
>>>>>> symptoms will become immune (to some extent) and no longer be
>>>>>> contagious. I
>>>>>> don't think we can keep people bottled up for more than a few weeks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/19/2020 12:49 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has anybody laid out what the long term plan is?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We can't keep everybody at home forever and we can't stop all
>>>>>> international trade and travel so sooner or later the virus has to run
>>>>>> it's
>>>>>> course, or so it seems to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know we're trying to slow down the spread so we don't overwhelm the
>>>>>> hospital capacity and that's great. Are we going to somehow reduce
>>>>>> social
>>>>>> isolation over time in a controlled way, or will social isolation end
>>>>>> organically as people get sick of staying home?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/19/2020 3:16 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I dont know how many times i need to point out this logic
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The US is undercounted, thats a given. undercounting does not equate
>>>>>> hidden numbers of magnitude
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Heres the logic thats completely being ignored
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The deaths associated with COVID19 that werent tested would have been
>>>>>> attributed to flu
>>>>>> There has been no reported increase in flu deaths per the anticipated
>>>>>> rates this year
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The testing that has been done is very promising. Yesterdays counts
>>>>>> of those tested were running around 8 percent positive. This does NOT
>>>>>> equate to 8 percent of the population. The "administration bad, nobody
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> just go get a test for curiousity" argument further strengthens this as a
>>>>>> promising number. The ONLY people being tested for the most part, are
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> in the very high probability category. So of those assumed to be
>>>>>> infected,
>>>>>> only 8 percent of them actually are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We still havent hit globally the number of infections and deaths from
>>>>>> the swine flu in the US alone. let me reiterate this GLOBALLY TODAY,
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> are less sick and dead, than from swine flu in the US ALONE. The current
>>>>>> response is such that has never been seen in the history of the planet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Inmates are an issue, with a guard and an inmate at rikers island
>>>>>> infected now, we have a national issue. if we dump the prisons, not only
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> we have a ton of criminals on the street, we have hundreds of thousands
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> indigent on the streets in the middle of a pandemic. (maybe not having
>>>>>> locked up such a percentage of the population in the first place is a
>>>>>> whole
>>>>>> other OT rant). Iran dumped 70k inmates on the streets, i cant imagine
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> having helped their situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Morons on spring break making a point of interacting even more than
>>>>>> they normally would have is illogical enough to eliminate any logic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:00 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know that Russia's numbers are terribly inaccurate... it's
>>>>>>> really just starting to spread there now, and the numbers aren't far off
>>>>>>> what other countries reported early on, and the cases they have reported
>>>>>>> are almost all in Moscow. They also have much tighter border controls
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> most of the world, and they're going on lockdown earlier into the
>>>>>>> outbreak
>>>>>>> than most countries did... so it's not unbelievable that they'd have low
>>>>>>> numbers at this point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But who knows what's really going on in some of these countries...
>>>>>>> it certainly wouldn't surprise me if China is lying about their
>>>>>>> numbers, it
>>>>>>> all depends on what they think is in their best interests at this point,
>>>>>>> and I don't trust any information from or about North Korea, no matter
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> the source is, but the high level of government control over everything
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> North Korea could certainly give them an advantage in this situation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 1:42 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Russia, India, Mexico. I heard something
>>>>>>>> on NPR this morning about mass graves in Iran. It may be years (or
>>>>>>>> never)
>>>>>>>> before we understand the scope of this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/19/2020 11:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I still believe North Korea has a huge problem that they are
>>>>>>>> covering up. Especially in the labor camps. Communal sleeping barns
>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>> No sanitation facilities.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 12:34 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only if they attribute it properly. There is plenty of data to
>>>>>>>> indicate that deaths have been incorrectly attributed,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/19/2020 11:09 AM, James Howard wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the death count is the death count
>>>>>>>>
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