They are been going to be hungry because they are stupid and assume there
is no food when there is.
People with imagined problems are the worst
We've seen it on display
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 10:25 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If people get hungry enough they might do anything. It's not a matter of
> being inherently good or evil. People will rationalize bad behavior to
> fulfill basic needs.
>
> Remember the warning label: *Humans under stress may exhibit poor
> behavior*
> *"I'm only hijacking this produce truck to feed my family. I'm not really
> a bad guy." *
>
> I would disagree with an "overnight" time scale. If supply was disrupted
> for a few months then it might be different.
>
>
> On 3/20/2020 11:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> All my life I have heard that if we have a nationwide or worldwide
> catastrophe that the supermarkets would be empty overnight and food trucks
> would be getting hijacked on the highways. Didn’t happen. Don’t think it
> is gonna happen. People are inherently good. It is an old debate. David
> Hume vs Rousseau.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2020 8:36 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>
> Too many people talking about worst case like its expected. Anyone who
> does that is incompetent
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 1:14 AM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> No, we have a media problem, views and clicks pay, and panic gets more of
>> those than anything else. Not that there isn't an issue, but we're
>> "capitalizing" on it the most efficiently.
>>
>> On Friday, March 20, 2020, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm on the county health board here, they are extremely worried about
>>> what is to come. They say the "peak" and "flattening" isn't expected till
>>> Mid May. They have not released that to the public yet because they don't
>>> want to create panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way of
>>> life for at least a few months. They are also talking about the possibility
>>> of refrigerated semi trailers for the dead bodies if they get that many.
>>> Our county population is over 40,000 and between the two hospitals here
>>> they have only 8 ventilators. If just one half of 1 percent of the
>>> population here needs critical care that is over 200 people. The two
>>> hospitals here are only setup for a couple dozen ICU beds each.
>>> Traditionally trauma patients that come in here are forwarded to one of the
>>> bigger cities which will not be an option due to overstretched resources in
>>> the bigger cities and them having even bigger problems than us. Consider
>>> that some of the data suggests 10-20% of the infected will need
>>> hospitalized you start to grasp the real threat to the healthcare system.
>>> Trump knows all this, he was probably briefed with the numbers over a month
>>> ago. He would not be tanking the economy right now if this wasn't a real
>>> threat of happening. If it wasn't for the travel ban we would probably be
>>> right there with Italy as we speak...
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's especially bad when revolting people revolt...
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie <
>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> People are revolting, but they will start to revolt...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard <ja...@litewire.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> are you saying that you're not revolting now? Makes me think of the
>>>>>> 3 Stooges line "I resemble that remark"......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh wait. Did you mean that people will start to revolt? Hmmm.... I
>>>>>> thought you meant people were going to be revolting and most people
>>>>>> already
>>>>>> are.....
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Jason McKemie <
>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:37:51 PM
>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to
>>>>>> have people revolting (myself included).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a month -
>>>>>>> month and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of
>>>>>>> walking infections without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to
>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>> test for it. After that, it's a crap shoot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/19/2020 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take years
>>>>>>> and people only able to half pay attention for a few weeks, we'll have
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> find something else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----
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>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>> *From: *"Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:54:45 PM
>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The "plan" (no jokes please) seems to be short term isolation to try
>>>>>>> and flatten the curve. With that, all the infected people not having
>>>>>>> symptoms will become immune (to some extent) and no longer be
>>>>>>> contagious. I
>>>>>>> don't think we can keep people bottled up for more than a few weeks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/19/2020 12:49 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has anybody laid out what the long term plan is?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can't keep everybody at home forever and we can't stop all
>>>>>>> international trade and travel so sooner or later the virus has to run
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> course, or so it seems to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know we're trying to slow down the spread so we don't overwhelm
>>>>>>> the hospital capacity and that's great. Are we going to somehow reduce
>>>>>>> social isolation over time in a controlled way, or will social isolation
>>>>>>> end organically as people get sick of staying home?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/19/2020 3:16 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I dont know how many times i need to point out this logic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The US is undercounted, thats a given. undercounting does not equate
>>>>>>> hidden numbers of magnitude
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Heres the logic thats completely being ignored
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The deaths associated with COVID19 that werent tested would have
>>>>>>> been attributed to flu
>>>>>>> There has been no reported increase in flu deaths per the
>>>>>>> anticipated rates this year
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The testing that has been done is very promising. Yesterdays counts
>>>>>>> of those tested were running around 8 percent positive. This does NOT
>>>>>>> equate to 8 percent of the population. The "administration bad, nobody
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> just go get a test for curiousity" argument further strengthens this as
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> promising number. The ONLY people being tested for the most part, are
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> in the very high probability category. So of those assumed to be
>>>>>>> infected,
>>>>>>> only 8 percent of them actually are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We still havent hit globally the number of infections and deaths
>>>>>>> from the swine flu in the US alone. let me reiterate this GLOBALLY
>>>>>>> TODAY,
>>>>>>> there are less sick and dead, than from swine flu in the US ALONE. The
>>>>>>> current response is such that has never been seen in the history of the
>>>>>>> planet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Inmates are an issue, with a guard and an inmate at rikers island
>>>>>>> infected now, we have a national issue. if we dump the prisons, not
>>>>>>> only do
>>>>>>> we have a ton of criminals on the street, we have hundreds of thousands
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> indigent on the streets in the middle of a pandemic. (maybe not having
>>>>>>> locked up such a percentage of the population in the first place is a
>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>> other OT rant). Iran dumped 70k inmates on the streets, i cant imagine
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> having helped their situation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Morons on spring break making a point of interacting even more than
>>>>>>> they normally would have is illogical enough to eliminate any logic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:00 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know that Russia's numbers are terribly inaccurate... it's
>>>>>>>> really just starting to spread there now, and the numbers aren't far
>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>> what other countries reported early on, and the cases they have
>>>>>>>> reported
>>>>>>>> are almost all in Moscow. They also have much tighter border controls
>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> most of the world, and they're going on lockdown earlier into the
>>>>>>>> outbreak
>>>>>>>> than most countries did... so it's not unbelievable that they'd have
>>>>>>>> low
>>>>>>>> numbers at this point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But who knows what's really going on in some of these countries...
>>>>>>>> it certainly wouldn't surprise me if China is lying about their
>>>>>>>> numbers, it
>>>>>>>> all depends on what they think is in their best interests at this
>>>>>>>> point,
>>>>>>>> and I don't trust any information from or about North Korea, no matter
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> the source is, but the high level of government control over
>>>>>>>> everything in
>>>>>>>> North Korea could certainly give them an advantage in this situation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 1:42 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Russia, India, Mexico. I heard something
>>>>>>>>> on NPR this morning about mass graves in Iran. It may be years (or
>>>>>>>>> never)
>>>>>>>>> before we understand the scope of this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/19/2020 11:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I still believe North Korea has a huge problem that they are
>>>>>>>>> covering up. Especially in the labor camps. Communal sleeping barns
>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>> No sanitation facilities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 12:34 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only if they attribute it properly. There is plenty of data to
>>>>>>>>> indicate that deaths have been incorrectly attributed,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/19/2020 11:09 AM, James Howard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the death count is the death count
>>>>>>>>>
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