That is a concern I have around here, farmers are aging out, kids not
taking over, may be a lot of opportunity to buy the farm
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 10:43 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> Cows will keep growing, hay keeps growing, farmers will keep planting.
> One single farmer can create an enormous amount of wheat.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2020 9:24 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>
>
> If people get hungry enough they might do anything. It's not a matter of
> being inherently good or evil. People will rationalize bad behavior to
> fulfill basic needs.
>
> Remember the warning label: *Humans under stress may exhibit poor
> behavior*
> *"I'm only hijacking this produce truck to feed my family. I'm not really
> a bad guy." *
>
> I would disagree with an "overnight" time scale. If supply was disrupted
> for a few months then it might be different.
>
>
> On 3/20/2020 11:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> All my life I have heard that if we have a nationwide or worldwide
> catastrophe that the supermarkets would be empty overnight and food trucks
> would be getting hijacked on the highways. Didn’t happen. Don’t think it
> is gonna happen. People are inherently good. It is an old debate. David
> Hume vs Rousseau.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2020 8:36 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>
> Too many people talking about worst case like its expected. Anyone who
> does that is incompetent
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 1:14 AM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> No, we have a media problem, views and clicks pay, and panic gets more of
>> those than anything else. Not that there isn't an issue, but we're
>> "capitalizing" on it the most efficiently.
>>
>> On Friday, March 20, 2020, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm on the county health board here, they are extremely worried about
>>> what is to come. They say the "peak" and "flattening" isn't expected till
>>> Mid May. They have not released that to the public yet because they don't
>>> want to create panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way of
>>> life for at least a few months. They are also talking about the possibility
>>> of refrigerated semi trailers for the dead bodies if they get that many.
>>> Our county population is over 40,000 and between the two hospitals here
>>> they have only 8 ventilators. If just one half of 1 percent of the
>>> population here needs critical care that is over 200 people. The two
>>> hospitals here are only setup for a couple dozen ICU beds each.
>>> Traditionally trauma patients that come in here are forwarded to one of the
>>> bigger cities which will not be an option due to overstretched resources in
>>> the bigger cities and them having even bigger problems than us. Consider
>>> that some of the data suggests 10-20% of the infected will need
>>> hospitalized you start to grasp the real threat to the healthcare system.
>>> Trump knows all this, he was probably briefed with the numbers over a month
>>> ago. He would not be tanking the economy right now if this wasn't a real
>>> threat of happening. If it wasn't for the travel ban we would probably be
>>> right there with Italy as we speak...
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's especially bad when revolting people revolt...
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie <
>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> People are revolting, but they will start to revolt...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard <ja...@litewire.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> are you saying that you're not revolting now? Makes me think of the
>>>>>> 3 Stooges line "I resemble that remark"......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh wait. Did you mean that people will start to revolt? Hmmm.... I
>>>>>> thought you meant people were going to be revolting and most people
>>>>>> already
>>>>>> are.....
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Jason McKemie <
>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:37:51 PM
>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to
>>>>>> have people revolting (myself included).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a month -
>>>>>>> month and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of
>>>>>>> walking infections without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to
>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>> test for it. After that, it's a crap shoot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/19/2020 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take years
>>>>>>> and people only able to half pay attention for a few weeks, we'll have
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> find something else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>> *From: *"Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:54:45 PM
>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The "plan" (no jokes please) seems to be short term isolation to try
>>>>>>> and flatten the curve. With that, all the infected people not having
>>>>>>> symptoms will become immune (to some extent) and no longer be
>>>>>>> contagious. I
>>>>>>> don't think we can keep people bottled up for more than a few weeks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/19/2020 12:49 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Has anybody laid out what the long term plan is?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can't keep everybody at home forever and we can't stop all
>>>>>>> international trade and travel so sooner or later the virus has to run
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> course, or so it seems to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know we're trying to slow down the spread so we don't overwhelm
>>>>>>> the hospital capacity and that's great. Are we going to somehow reduce
>>>>>>> social isolation over time in a controlled way, or will social isolation
>>>>>>> end organically as people get sick of staying home?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/19/2020 3:16 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I dont know how many times i need to point out this logic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The US is undercounted, thats a given. undercounting does not equate
>>>>>>> hidden numbers of magnitude
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Heres the logic thats completely being ignored
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The deaths associated with COVID19 that werent tested would have
>>>>>>> been attributed to flu
>>>>>>> There has been no reported increase in flu deaths per the
>>>>>>> anticipated rates this year
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The testing that has been done is very promising. Yesterdays counts
>>>>>>> of those tested were running around 8 percent positive. This does NOT
>>>>>>> equate to 8 percent of the population. The "administration bad, nobody
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> just go get a test for curiousity" argument further strengthens this as
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> promising number. The ONLY people being tested for the most part, are
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>> in the very high probability category. So of those assumed to be
>>>>>>> infected,
>>>>>>> only 8 percent of them actually are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We still havent hit globally the number of infections and deaths
>>>>>>> from the swine flu in the US alone. let me reiterate this GLOBALLY
>>>>>>> TODAY,
>>>>>>> there are less sick and dead, than from swine flu in the US ALONE. The
>>>>>>> current response is such that has never been seen in the history of the
>>>>>>> planet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Inmates are an issue, with a guard and an inmate at rikers island
>>>>>>> infected now, we have a national issue. if we dump the prisons, not
>>>>>>> only do
>>>>>>> we have a ton of criminals on the street, we have hundreds of thousands
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> indigent on the streets in the middle of a pandemic. (maybe not having
>>>>>>> locked up such a percentage of the population in the first place is a
>>>>>>> whole
>>>>>>> other OT rant). Iran dumped 70k inmates on the streets, i cant imagine
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> having helped their situation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Morons on spring break making a point of interacting even more than
>>>>>>> they normally would have is illogical enough to eliminate any logic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:00 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know that Russia's numbers are terribly inaccurate... it's
>>>>>>>> really just starting to spread there now, and the numbers aren't far
>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>> what other countries reported early on, and the cases they have
>>>>>>>> reported
>>>>>>>> are almost all in Moscow. They also have much tighter border controls
>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> most of the world, and they're going on lockdown earlier into the
>>>>>>>> outbreak
>>>>>>>> than most countries did... so it's not unbelievable that they'd have
>>>>>>>> low
>>>>>>>> numbers at this point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But who knows what's really going on in some of these countries...
>>>>>>>> it certainly wouldn't surprise me if China is lying about their
>>>>>>>> numbers, it
>>>>>>>> all depends on what they think is in their best interests at this
>>>>>>>> point,
>>>>>>>> and I don't trust any information from or about North Korea, no matter
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> the source is, but the high level of government control over
>>>>>>>> everything in
>>>>>>>> North Korea could certainly give them an advantage in this situation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 1:42 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Russia, India, Mexico. I heard something
>>>>>>>>> on NPR this morning about mass graves in Iran. It may be years (or
>>>>>>>>> never)
>>>>>>>>> before we understand the scope of this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/19/2020 11:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I still believe North Korea has a huge problem that they are
>>>>>>>>> covering up. Especially in the labor camps. Communal sleeping barns
>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>> No sanitation facilities.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2020 12:34 PM
>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only if they attribute it properly. There is plenty of data to
>>>>>>>>> indicate that deaths have been incorrectly attributed,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/19/2020 11:09 AM, James Howard wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the death count is the death count
>>>>>>>>>
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