All my life I have heard that if we have a nationwide or worldwide catastrophe
that the supermarkets would be empty overnight and food trucks would be getting
hijacked on the highways. Didn’t happen. Don’t think it is gonna happen.
People are inherently good. It is an old debate. David Hume vs Rousseau.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 8:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
Too many people talking about worst case like its expected. Anyone who does
that is incompetent
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 1:14 AM Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
wrote:
No, we have a media problem, views and clicks pay, and panic gets more of
those than anything else. Not that there isn't an issue, but we're
"capitalizing" on it the most efficiently.
On Friday, March 20, 2020, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm on the county health board here, they are extremely worried about what
is to come. They say the "peak" and "flattening" isn't expected till Mid May.
They have not released that to the public yet because they don't want to create
panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way of life for at least a
few months. They are also talking about the possibility of refrigerated semi
trailers for the dead bodies if they get that many. Our county population is
over 40,000 and between the two hospitals here they have only 8 ventilators. If
just one half of 1 percent of the population here needs critical care that is
over 200 people. The two hospitals here are only setup for a couple dozen ICU
beds each. Traditionally trauma patients that come in here are forwarded to one
of the bigger cities which will not be an option due to overstretched resources
in the bigger cities and them having even bigger problems than us. Consider
that some of the data suggests 10-20% of the infected will need hospitalized
you start to grasp the real threat to the healthcare system. Trump knows all
this, he was probably briefed with the numbers over a month ago. He would not
be tanking the economy right now if this wasn't a real threat of happening. If
it wasn't for the travel ban we would probably be right there with Italy as we
speak...
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
It's especially bad when revolting people revolt...
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
People are revolting, but they will start to revolt...
On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard <ja...@litewire.net> wrote:
are you saying that you're not revolting now? Makes me think of the
3 Stooges line "I resemble that remark"......
Oh wait. Did you mean that people will start to revolt? Hmmm.... I
thought you meant people were going to be revolting and most people already
are.....
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From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> on behalf of Jason McKemie
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Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:37:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to
have people revolting (myself included).
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
wrote:
The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a month
- month and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of walking
infections without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to actually test for
it. After that, it's a crap shoot.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/19/2020 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take
years and people only able to half pay attention for a few weeks, we'll have to
find something else.
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From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:54:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
The "plan" (no jokes please) seems to be short term isolation to
try and flatten the curve. With that, all the infected people not having
symptoms will become immune (to some extent) and no longer be contagious. I
don't think we can keep people bottled up for more than a few weeks.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/19/2020 12:49 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Has anybody laid out what the long term plan is?
We can't keep everybody at home forever and we can't stop all
international trade and travel so sooner or later the virus has to run it's
course, or so it seems to me.
I know we're trying to slow down the spread so we don't
overwhelm the hospital capacity and that's great. Are we going to somehow
reduce social isolation over time in a controlled way, or will social isolation
end organically as people get sick of staying home?
On 3/19/2020 3:16 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I dont know how many times i need to point out this logic
The US is undercounted, thats a given. undercounting does not
equate hidden numbers of magnitude
Heres the logic thats completely being ignored
The deaths associated with COVID19 that werent tested would
have been attributed to flu
There has been no reported increase in flu deaths per the
anticipated rates this year
The testing that has been done is very promising. Yesterdays
counts of those tested were running around 8 percent positive. This does NOT
equate to 8 percent of the population. The "administration bad, nobody can just
go get a test for curiousity" argument further strengthens this as a promising
number. The ONLY people being tested for the most part, are those in the very
high probability category. So of those assumed to be infected, only 8 percent
of them actually are.
We still havent hit globally the number of infections and
deaths from the swine flu in the US alone. let me reiterate this GLOBALLY
TODAY, there are less sick and dead, than from swine flu in the US ALONE. The
current response is such that has never been seen in the history of the planet.
Inmates are an issue, with a guard and an inmate at rikers
island infected now, we have a national issue. if we dump the prisons, not only
do we have a ton of criminals on the street, we have hundreds of thousands of
indigent on the streets in the middle of a pandemic. (maybe not having locked
up such a percentage of the population in the first place is a whole other OT
rant). Iran dumped 70k inmates on the streets, i cant imagine that having
helped their situation.
Morons on spring break making a point of interacting even
more than they normally would have is illogical enough to eliminate any logic.
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:00 PM Mathew Howard
<mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know that Russia's numbers are terribly
inaccurate... it's really just starting to spread there now, and the numbers
aren't far off what other countries reported early on, and the cases they have
reported are almost all in Moscow. They also have much tighter border controls
than most of the world, and they're going on lockdown earlier into the outbreak
than most countries did... so it's not unbelievable that they'd have low
numbers at this point.
But who knows what's really going on in some of these
countries... it certainly wouldn't surprise me if China is lying about their
numbers, it all depends on what they think is in their best interests at this
point, and I don't trust any information from or about North Korea, no matter
what the source is, but the high level of government control over everything in
North Korea could certainly give them an advantage in this situation.
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 1:42 PM Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Russia, India, Mexico. I heard
something on NPR this morning about mass graves in Iran. It may be years (or
never) before we understand the scope of this.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/19/2020 11:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I still believe North Korea has a huge problem that
they are covering up. Especially in the labor camps. Communal sleeping barns
etc. No sanitation facilities.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 12:34 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
Only if they attribute it properly. There is plenty of
data to indicate that deaths have been incorrectly attributed,
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/19/2020 11:09 AM, James Howard wrote:
the death count is the death count
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