Cows will keep growing, hay keeps growing, farmers will keep planting.
One single farmer can create an enormous amount of wheat.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 9:24 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
If people get hungry enough they might do anything. It's not a matter of being
inherently good or evil. People will rationalize bad behavior to fulfill basic
needs.
Remember the warning label: Humans under stress may exhibit poor behavior
"I'm only hijacking this produce truck to feed my family. I'm not really a bad
guy."
I would disagree with an "overnight" time scale. If supply was disrupted for a
few months then it might be different.
On 3/20/2020 11:06 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
All my life I have heard that if we have a nationwide or worldwide
catastrophe that the supermarkets would be empty overnight and food trucks
would be getting hijacked on the highways. Didn’t happen. Don’t think it is
gonna happen. People are inherently good. It is an old debate. David Hume vs
Rousseau.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 8:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
Too many people talking about worst case like its expected. Anyone who does
that is incompetent
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 1:14 AM Jason McKemie
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
No, we have a media problem, views and clicks pay, and panic gets more of
those than anything else. Not that there isn't an issue, but we're
"capitalizing" on it the most efficiently.
On Friday, March 20, 2020, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm on the county health board here, they are extremely worried about
what is to come. They say the "peak" and "flattening" isn't expected till Mid
May. They have not released that to the public yet because they don't want to
create panic but sounds like this lockdown could be a new way of life for at
least a few months. They are also talking about the possibility of refrigerated
semi trailers for the dead bodies if they get that many. Our county population
is over 40,000 and between the two hospitals here they have only 8 ventilators.
If just one half of 1 percent of the population here needs critical care that
is over 200 people. The two hospitals here are only setup for a couple dozen
ICU beds each. Traditionally trauma patients that come in here are forwarded to
one of the bigger cities which will not be an option due to overstretched
resources in the bigger cities and them having even bigger problems than us.
Consider that some of the data suggests 10-20% of the infected will need
hospitalized you start to grasp the real threat to the healthcare system. Trump
knows all this, he was probably briefed with the numbers over a month ago. He
would not be tanking the economy right now if this wasn't a real threat of
happening. If it wasn't for the travel ban we would probably be right there
with Italy as we speak...
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
wrote:
It's especially bad when revolting people revolt...
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:01 PM Jason McKemie
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
People are revolting, but they will start to revolt...
On Thursday, March 19, 2020, James Howard <ja...@litewire.net> wrote:
are you saying that you're not revolting now? Makes me think of
the 3 Stooges line "I resemble that remark"......
Oh wait. Did you mean that people will start to revolt? Hmmm....
I thought you meant people were going to be revolting and most people already
are.....
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Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 8:37:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
Yeah, you can't have businesses closed past then or you're going to
have people revolting (myself included).
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 3:43 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
wrote:
The isolation can not last more than a few weeks, or maybe a
month - month and a half. At that point, we should have reduced the number of
walking infections without symptoms, and maybe have the ability to actually
test for it. After that, it's a crap shoot.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/19/2020 1:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
With "flatten the curve" as your primary tool expected to take
years and people only able to half pay attention for a few weeks, we'll have to
find something else.
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From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 2:54:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
The "plan" (no jokes please) seems to be short term isolation
to try and flatten the curve. With that, all the infected people not having
symptoms will become immune (to some extent) and no longer be contagious. I
don't think we can keep people bottled up for more than a few weeks.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/19/2020 12:49 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Has anybody laid out what the long term plan is?
We can't keep everybody at home forever and we can't stop all
international trade and travel so sooner or later the virus has to run it's
course, or so it seems to me.
I know we're trying to slow down the spread so we don't
overwhelm the hospital capacity and that's great. Are we going to somehow
reduce social isolation over time in a controlled way, or will social isolation
end organically as people get sick of staying home?
On 3/19/2020 3:16 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
I dont know how many times i need to point out this logic
The US is undercounted, thats a given. undercounting does
not equate hidden numbers of magnitude
Heres the logic thats completely being ignored
The deaths associated with COVID19 that werent tested would
have been attributed to flu
There has been no reported increase in flu deaths per the
anticipated rates this year
The testing that has been done is very promising.
Yesterdays counts of those tested were running around 8 percent positive. This
does NOT equate to 8 percent of the population. The "administration bad, nobody
can just go get a test for curiousity" argument further strengthens this as a
promising number. The ONLY people being tested for the most part, are those in
the very high probability category. So of those assumed to be infected, only 8
percent of them actually are.
We still havent hit globally the number of infections and
deaths from the swine flu in the US alone. let me reiterate this GLOBALLY
TODAY, there are less sick and dead, than from swine flu in the US ALONE. The
current response is such that has never been seen in the history of the planet.
Inmates are an issue, with a guard and an inmate at rikers
island infected now, we have a national issue. if we dump the prisons, not only
do we have a ton of criminals on the street, we have hundreds of thousands of
indigent on the streets in the middle of a pandemic. (maybe not having locked
up such a percentage of the population in the first place is a whole other OT
rant). Iran dumped 70k inmates on the streets, i cant imagine that having
helped their situation.
Morons on spring break making a point of interacting even
more than they normally would have is illogical enough to eliminate any logic.
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 2:00 PM Mathew Howard
<mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know that Russia's numbers are terribly
inaccurate... it's really just starting to spread there now, and the numbers
aren't far off what other countries reported early on, and the cases they have
reported are almost all in Moscow. They also have much tighter border controls
than most of the world, and they're going on lockdown earlier into the outbreak
than most countries did... so it's not unbelievable that they'd have low
numbers at this point.
But who knows what's really going on in some of these
countries... it certainly wouldn't surprise me if China is lying about their
numbers, it all depends on what they think is in their best interests at this
point, and I don't trust any information from or about North Korea, no matter
what the source is, but the high level of government control over everything in
North Korea could certainly give them an advantage in this situation.
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 1:42 PM Bill Prince
<part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Russia, India, Mexico. I heard
something on NPR this morning about mass graves in Iran. It may be years (or
never) before we understand the scope of this.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/19/2020 11:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I still believe North Korea has a huge problem that
they are covering up. Especially in the labor camps. Communal sleeping barns
etc. No sanitation facilities.
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 12:34 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: virus anomalies
Only if they attribute it properly. There is plenty
of data to indicate that deaths have been incorrectly attributed,
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/19/2020 11:09 AM, James Howard wrote:
the death count is the death count
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