Re: [AFMUG] OT People

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

a friend of a friend recently told me of a story they're having to deal with.  
Daughter "got into a bad situation" and was offered a roof where relative was 
living in another state.  After making the "mad dash" to "rescue" her, she's 
being very difficult.  They tried to help find her a job.  She wasn't 
interested.  Had apparently been watching too much bernie sanders or something. 
 Explained the job.  Response was how dare you interrupt my private time.  Tell 
you what, i'll consider the job for no more than $15 an hour.  Friend explained 
no job starts at $15 an hour, at least not around here.  Maybe you can start at 
$8 or $9 but then you have to get some experience and maybe over time you'll 
get raises to higher levels.

Response was something about how in her other life she worked at a grocery 
store, a union was involved, union didn't do anything, didn't get backpay she 
was owed, etc this, etc that, yadda yadda

todays update - - apparently she sat on hold for two hours to apply for 
disability benefits.   i asked my friend what disability?  he laughed, shook 
his head, and said i have no idea.

what on earth is going on??? lol


  - Original Message - 
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:24 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT People


  Had to fire a guy today.  He had a checkered past.  Drugs, prison etc.  
  I gave him a shot, lots of training, (at least now he can have a career, he 
was doing asbestos removal when I hired him).

  Seems that he shoplifted at one of our favorite supply houses.  
  They had eyes on him when he went in, security footage of him standing by a 
rack of stuff and when he turned away things were gone.
  The front of his coat was bulging when he left.
  He visited the john, after he left they went in there and found some tags etc 
etc etc.  
  I told them I would pay for the stuff.  They sent me an itemized bill with 
the exact stuff he took.  

  Of course he wasn’t there, didn’t do it, didn’t steal, thought about stealing 
this stuff but didn’t do it.
  Wrongly accused, can he talk to the vendor etc etc.  
  I first found out when the vendor called me and told me he is permanently 
banned from their place.  

  He was a parolee.  We even removed a bullet from his back that the cops had 
put there.  
  It was bothering him and he could not get anyone to cut it out.  He didn’t 
want to spend the money to do it right.  
  So one evening after work he was complaining about it to the crew.  
  My son the mechanic scrubbed up, got out the betadyne, scalpel, forceps and 
out it came.  
  (howz that for a company health plan).  

  I have hired a bunch of guys like him over the years.  It rarely works out.  
I have written letters to judges, hired lawyers, got sentences reduced, got 
people sprung from jail.  
  Very few figure out how to leverage the chances I have given.

  Sucks losing the training time I have invested...  
  Sucks losing an employee that knows how to do some valuable things.  
  Sucks seeing humans continue to screw up their lives.  

  About 20 years ago I was complaining about this same thing to someone.  
  I told him I was not going to do this anymore.
  He said: “yes, you will keep doing it”.  Nope, done.  
  I guess he was right, I kept doing it.  I will probably do it again.  I think 
I am an idiot sometimes.  



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Re: [AFMUG] School only wifi hotspots

[Steve Jones]

Lesson learned

I had reached out to one of the local cell phone stores. Stopped in for
follow up. Waited for about 45 minutes while the clerk finished a
transaction/activation. finally get to talk to the clerk, described the
situation, got retail pricing on the hotspot and rates. She proceeds to
tell me that the manager had just left prior to my arrival to the ER, she
had come in after having a fever for days and this was the first day it was
under 100 but got sicker at the store. Really, during the end of the world,
she shows up to a public location with plague symptoms?
 I opted not to make any more cold calls to cellphone stores

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 11:36 AM Louis Arsenault  wrote:

> Get a local cellphone carrier to donate hotspots with unlimited data for a
> month? Then distribute them where needed.
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:40 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Our state closed all schools
>> I don't know a ton about the elearning for grade school and high school.
>> But is like to talk the boss into dropping wifi hotspots where we can for
>> public access. I just don't want it abused. Our school districts here are
>> having students come in monday for elearning instructions... not parents.
>> So a bunch of kids will be relaying how tos.
>> It will be a disaster.
>> A lot of kids don't have internet. Library's will probably be closed or
>> parents won't want their kids at the disease keyboards and chairs.
>> I assume there will be some unregulated funding that will get abused and
>> not actually get anything accomplished.
>> I asked the superintendents to have their IT teams turn up outdoor wifi
>> at the school parking lots. But those are IT morons.
>> How would a guy get something set up at our POPs on the cheap for car
>> access?
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Re: [AFMUG] Actual cell coverage maps

[Colin Stanners]

I've found the maps here to be quite accurate, likely as they are for
industry use and aren't filtered through a marketing department:
https://www.gsma.com/coverage/

Keep in mind that it does not include the companies' coverage that is
obtained by tower-sharing on others' networks.

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 5:08 PM Steve Jones, 
wrote:

> Looking to see if there's an actual source for better than marketing
> coverage maps on cell service. Whether it be user community war driving or
> what.
> The specific purpose is identifying what carrier is most probable for
> residences on hot spots.
> It's not likely this will support the install of cell boosters.
> Marketing fluff maps don't really tell me a lot
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Re: [AFMUG] OT People

[Adam Moffett]

I have to admit that story is pretty damn gangsta.

Yo dawg, bite on this, Imma dig that bullet outta ya


On 3/23/2020 4:34 PM, David Coudron wrote:


Behavior is a hard thing to change.   Too bad.

At least you got the bullet removal story out of the deal.

Regards,

David Coudron

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2020 3:24 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT People

Had to fire a guy today.  He had a checkered past.  Drugs, prison etc.

I gave him a shot, lots of training, (at least now he can have a 
career, he was doing asbestos removal when I hired him).


Seems that he shoplifted at one of our favorite supply houses.

They had eyes on him when he went in, security footage of him standing 
by a rack of stuff and when he turned away things were gone.


The front of his coat was bulging when he left.

He visited the john, after he left they went in there and found some 
tags etc etc etc.


I told them I would pay for the stuff.  They sent me an itemized bill 
with the exact stuff he took.


Of course he wasn’t there, didn’t do it, didn’t steal, thought about 
stealing this stuff but didn’t do it.


Wrongly accused, can he talk to the vendor etc etc.

I first found out when the vendor called me and told me he is 
permanently banned from their place.


He was a parolee.  We even removed a bullet from his back that the 
cops had put there.


It was bothering him and he could not get anyone to cut it out.  He 
didn’t want to spend the money to do it right.


So one evening after work he was complaining about it to the crew.

My son the mechanic scrubbed up, got out the betadyne, scalpel, 
forceps and out it came.


(howz that for a company health plan).

I have hired a bunch of guys like him over the years.  It rarely works 
out.  I have written letters to judges, hired lawyers, got sentences 
reduced, got people sprung from jail.


Very few figure out how to leverage the chances I have given.

Sucks losing the training time I have invested...

Sucks losing an employee that knows how to do some valuable things.

Sucks seeing humans continue to screw up their lives.

About 20 years ago I was complaining about this same thing to someone.

I told him I was not going to do this anymore.

He said: “yes, you will keep doing it”.  Nope, done.

I guess he was right, I kept doing it.  I will probably do it again. I 
think I am an idiot sometimes.



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Re: [AFMUG] Actual cell coverage maps

[Jaime Solorza]

Download an app called Cell Tower Locator for your Android ..(not sure if
it works on flip flop wearing iPhones).
Very useful real-time app to combine with other mapping offerings.

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 4:08 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Looking to see if there's an actual source for better than marketing
> coverage maps on cell service. Whether it be user community war driving or
> what.
> The specific purpose is identifying what carrier is most probable for
> residences on hot spots.
> It's not likely this will support the install of cell boosters.
> Marketing fluff maps don't really tell me a lot
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Re: [AFMUG] Actual cell coverage maps

[Mike Hammett]

CellMapper is my favorite. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 5:07:42 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Actual cell coverage maps 


Looking to see if there's an actual source for better than marketing coverage 
maps on cell service. Whether it be user community war driving or what. 
The specific purpose is identifying what carrier is most probable for 
residences on hot spots. 
It's not likely this will support the install of cell boosters. 
Marketing fluff maps don't really tell me a lot 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT People

[chuck]

I used to.  This guy was on parole so they should have been testing him.  


From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:51 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT People

Chuck, do you require drug tests, at least of new hires?   Often someone who 
does something that stupid (throw away a paying job for some quick cash) has a 
drug habit.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 4:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT People

 

You did your best...you can live with that...you are a good man.

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 2:25 PM  wrote:

  Had to fire a guy today.  He had a checkered past.  Drugs, prison etc.  

  I gave him a shot, lots of training, (at least now he can have a career, he 
was doing asbestos removal when I hired him).

   

  Seems that he shoplifted at one of our favorite supply houses.  

  They had eyes on him when he went in, security footage of him standing by a 
rack of stuff and when he turned away things were gone.

  The front of his coat was bulging when he left.

  He visited the john, after he left they went in there and found some tags etc 
etc etc.  

  I told them I would pay for the stuff.  They sent me an itemized bill with 
the exact stuff he took.  

   

  Of course he wasn’t there, didn’t do it, didn’t steal, thought about stealing 
this stuff but didn’t do it.

  Wrongly accused, can he talk to the vendor etc etc.  

  I first found out when the vendor called me and told me he is permanently 
banned from their place.  

   

  He was a parolee.  We even removed a bullet from his back that the cops had 
put there.  

  It was bothering him and he could not get anyone to cut it out.  He didn’t 
want to spend the money to do it right.  

  So one evening after work he was complaining about it to the crew.  

  My son the mechanic scrubbed up, got out the betadyne, scalpel, forceps and 
out it came.  

  (howz that for a company health plan).  

   

  I have hired a bunch of guys like him over the years.  It rarely works out.  
I have written letters to judges, hired lawyers, got sentences reduced, got 
people sprung from jail.  

  Very few figure out how to leverage the chances I have given.

   

  Sucks losing the training time I have invested...  

  Sucks losing an employee that knows how to do some valuable things.  

  Sucks seeing humans continue to screw up their lives.  

   

  About 20 years ago I was complaining about this same thing to someone.  

  I told him I was not going to do this anymore.

  He said: “yes, you will keep doing it”.  Nope, done.  

  I guess he was right, I kept doing it.  I will probably do it again.  I think 
I am an idiot sometimes.  

   

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[AFMUG] Actual cell coverage maps

[Steve Jones]

Looking to see if there's an actual source for better than marketing
coverage maps on cell service. Whether it be user community war driving or
what.
The specific purpose is identifying what carrier is most probable for
residences on hot spots.
It's not likely this will support the install of cell boosters.
Marketing fluff maps don't really tell me a lot
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Re: [AFMUG] OT People

[Ken Hohhof]

Chuck, do you require drug tests, at least of new hires?   Often someone who 
does something that stupid (throw away a paying job for some quick cash) has a 
drug habit.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 4:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT People

 

You did your best...you can live with that...you are a good man.

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 2:25 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Had to fire a guy today.  He had a checkered past.  Drugs, prison etc.  

I gave him a shot, lots of training, (at least now he can have a career, he was 
doing asbestos removal when I hired him).

 

Seems that he shoplifted at one of our favorite supply houses.  

They had eyes on him when he went in, security footage of him standing by a 
rack of stuff and when he turned away things were gone.

The front of his coat was bulging when he left.

He visited the john, after he left they went in there and found some tags etc 
etc etc.  

I told them I would pay for the stuff.  They sent me an itemized bill with the 
exact stuff he took.  

 

Of course he wasn’t there, didn’t do it, didn’t steal, thought about stealing 
this stuff but didn’t do it.

Wrongly accused, can he talk to the vendor etc etc.  

I first found out when the vendor called me and told me he is permanently 
banned from their place.  

 

He was a parolee.  We even removed a bullet from his back that the cops had put 
there.  

It was bothering him and he could not get anyone to cut it out.  He didn’t want 
to spend the money to do it right.  

So one evening after work he was complaining about it to the crew.  

My son the mechanic scrubbed up, got out the betadyne, scalpel, forceps and out 
it came.  

(howz that for a company health plan).  

 

I have hired a bunch of guys like him over the years.  It rarely works out.  I 
have written letters to judges, hired lawyers, got sentences reduced, got 
people sprung from jail.  

Very few figure out how to leverage the chances I have given.

 

Sucks losing the training time I have invested...  

Sucks losing an employee that knows how to do some valuable things.  

Sucks seeing humans continue to screw up their lives.  

 

About 20 years ago I was complaining about this same thing to someone.  

I told him I was not going to do this anymore.

He said: “yes, you will keep doing it”.  Nope, done.  

I guess he was right, I kept doing it.  I will probably do it again.  I think I 
am an idiot sometimes.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT People

[Craig House]

I went to St Thomas after Maria two years ago to help with recovery. I got 
there three days before Irma hit. I stayed and rode out the CAT5 because well 
there were 55000 other people that didnt' have the chance to leave like I did. 
As soon as it was over, everywhere on the island people were out with chainsaws 
and trucks moving debris and cutting trees etc. The power company still didn't 
have things fixed a year later but the people there were trying to help 
themselves. I remember so many news stories about how the federal government 
wasn't helping None of them were from St Thomas. They took the help if it was 
provided and they were extremely grateful for us being there. But I never heard 
any one complain. I love to help people that will help themselves but so many 
people want a hand out not a hand up. 

Craig 


From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:56:46 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT People 

The thing about getting bit in the ass is that the people cant say nobody gave 
them a chance. It's good to help your fellow man, even if he wont help himself. 
My dad used to always say "but for the grace of god go i" sometimes it's one 
bad choice for you to be In the other guys shoes, and hopefully somebody is 
there offering an opportunity at a leg up. 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 3:37 PM Brian Webster < [ mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com 
| i...@wirelessmapping.com ] > wrote: 





Keep being you. Who knows how you may have helped some of these folks years 
later or how you might have made a difference in their kids lives for whatever 
time they were employed by you. Just because people do not really recognize the 
opportunity given, don’t let that change who you are. Just cautiously continue 
to help. 




Thank you, 

Brian Webster 

[ http://www.wirelessmapping.com/ | www.wirelessmapping.com ] 





From: AF [mailto: [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] 
] On Behalf Of [ mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com | ch...@wbmfg.com ] 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 4:24 PM 
To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT People 





Had to fire a guy today. He had a checkered past. Drugs, prison etc. 


I gave him a shot, lots of training, (at least now he can have a career, he was 
doing asbestos removal when I hired him). 





Seems that he shoplifted at one of our favorite supply houses. 


They had eyes on him when he went in, security footage of him standing by a 
rack of stuff and when he turned away things were gone. 


The front of his coat was bulging when he left. 


He visited the john, after he left they went in there and found some tags etc 
etc etc. 


I told them I would pay for the stuff. They sent me an itemized bill with the 
exact stuff he took. 





Of course he wasn’t there, didn’t do it, didn’t steal, thought about stealing 
this stuff but didn’t do it. 


Wrongly accused, can he talk to the vendor etc etc. 


I first found out when the vendor called me and told me he is permanently 
banned from their place. 





He was a parolee. We even removed a bullet from his back that the cops had put 
there. 


It was bothering him and he could not get anyone to cut it out. He didn’t want 
to spend the money to do it right. 


So one evening after work he was complaining about it to the crew. 


My son the mechanic scrubbed up, got out the betadyne, scalpel, forceps and out 
it came. 


(howz that for a company health plan). 





I have hired a bunch of guys like him over the years. It rarely works out. I 
have written letters to judges, hired lawyers, got sentences reduced, got 
people sprung from jail. 


Very few figure out how to leverage the chances I have given. 





Sucks losing the training time I have invested... 


Sucks losing an employee that knows how to do some valuable things. 


Sucks seeing humans continue to screw up their lives. 





About 20 years ago I was complaining about this same thing to someone. 


I told him I was not going to do this anymore. 


He said: “yes, you will keep doing it”. Nope, done. 


I guess he was right, I kept doing it. I will probably do it again. I think I 
am an idiot sometimes. 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT People

[chuck]

Well my son got the bragging rights.  But I would have done it if I had been 
there...  A bit envious...

From: David Coudron 
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 2:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT People

Behavior is a hard thing to change.   Too bad.

 

At least you got the bullet removal story out of the deal.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:24 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT People

 

Had to fire a guy today.  He had a checkered past.  Drugs, prison etc.  

I gave him a shot, lots of training, (at least now he can have a career, he was 
doing asbestos removal when I hired him).

 

Seems that he shoplifted at one of our favorite supply houses.  

They had eyes on him when he went in, security footage of him standing by a 
rack of stuff and when he turned away things were gone.

The front of his coat was bulging when he left.

He visited the john, after he left they went in there and found some tags etc 
etc etc.  

I told them I would pay for the stuff.  They sent me an itemized bill with the 
exact stuff he took.  

 

Of course he wasn’t there, didn’t do it, didn’t steal, thought about stealing 
this stuff but didn’t do it.

Wrongly accused, can he talk to the vendor etc etc.  

I first found out when the vendor called me and told me he is permanently 
banned from their place.  

 

He was a parolee.  We even removed a bullet from his back that the cops had put 
there.  

It was bothering him and he could not get anyone to cut it out.  He didn’t want 
to spend the money to do it right.  

So one evening after work he was complaining about it to the crew.  

My son the mechanic scrubbed up, got out the betadyne, scalpel, forceps and out 
it came.  

(howz that for a company health plan).  

 

I have hired a bunch of guys like him over the years.  It rarely works out.  I 
have written letters to judges, hired lawyers, got sentences reduced, got 
people sprung from jail.  

Very few figure out how to leverage the chances I have given.

 

Sucks losing the training time I have invested...  

Sucks losing an employee that knows how to do some valuable things.  

Sucks seeing humans continue to screw up their lives.  

 

About 20 years ago I was complaining about this same thing to someone.  

I told him I was not going to do this anymore.

He said: “yes, you will keep doing it”.  Nope, done.  

I guess he was right, I kept doing it.  I will probably do it again.  I think I 
am an idiot sometimes.  

 




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Re: [AFMUG] OT People

[Steve Jones]

The thing about getting bit in the ass is that the people cant say nobody
gave them a chance. It's good to help your fellow man, even if he wont help
himself.
My dad used to always say "but for the grace of god go i" sometimes it's
one bad choice for you to be In the other guys shoes, and hopefully
somebody is there offering an opportunity at a leg up.

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 3:37 PM Brian Webster 
wrote:

> Keep being you. Who knows how you may have helped some of these folks
> years later or how you might have made a difference in their kids lives for
> whatever time they were employed by you. Just because people do not really
> recognize the opportunity given, don’t let that change who you are. Just
> cautiously continue to help.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2020 4:24 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT People
>
>
>
> Had to fire a guy today.  He had a checkered past.  Drugs, prison etc.
>
> I gave him a shot, lots of training, (at least now he can have a career,
> he was doing asbestos removal when I hired him).
>
>
>
> Seems that he shoplifted at one of our favorite supply houses.
>
> They had eyes on him when he went in, security footage of him standing by
> a rack of stuff and when he turned away things were gone.
>
> The front of his coat was bulging when he left.
>
> He visited the john, after he left they went in there and found some tags
> etc etc etc.
>
> I told them I would pay for the stuff.  They sent me an itemized bill with
> the exact stuff he took.
>
>
>
> Of course he wasn’t there, didn’t do it, didn’t steal, thought about
> stealing this stuff but didn’t do it.
>
> Wrongly accused, can he talk to the vendor etc etc.
>
> I first found out when the vendor called me and told me he is permanently
> banned from their place.
>
>
>
> He was a parolee.  We even removed a bullet from his back that the cops
> had put there.
>
> It was bothering him and he could not get anyone to cut it out.  He didn’t
> want to spend the money to do it right.
>
> So one evening after work he was complaining about it to the crew.
>
> My son the mechanic scrubbed up, got out the betadyne, scalpel, forceps
> and out it came.
>
> (howz that for a company health plan).
>
>
>
> I have hired a bunch of guys like him over the years.  It rarely works
> out.  I have written letters to judges, hired lawyers, got sentences
> reduced, got people sprung from jail.
>
> Very few figure out how to leverage the chances I have given.
>
>
>
> Sucks losing the training time I have invested...
>
> Sucks losing an employee that knows how to do some valuable things.
>
> Sucks seeing humans continue to screw up their lives.
>
>
>
> About 20 years ago I was complaining about this same thing to someone.
>
> I told him I was not going to do this anymore.
>
> He said: “yes, you will keep doing it”.  Nope, done.
>
> I guess he was right, I kept doing it.  I will probably do it again.  I
> think I am an idiot sometimes.
>
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[Steve Jones]

It breaks my heart that I cant eat jalapenos the way I used to.



On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 2:08 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> He got a new phone (and camera) last year I think.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/23/2020 12:04 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>
> Except he would film it with a blurry flip phone camera in portrait mode.
> :)
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 1:40 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Now I want you to start a YouTube channel.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2020 1:26 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list
>>
>>
>>
>> Here you go...late breakfast omelette..
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 11:08 AM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm getting hungry.  Need to see lunch.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:38 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Give me a few
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:20 AM  wrote:
>>
>> Folks, we have had several new subscriptions to this list... welcome new
>> folks.
>>
>> I promise we are not all about Covid19.  We actually do talk about
>> wireless internet issues and products here, some times.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sometimes we also post photos of what we had for lunch.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jaime, what is for lunch today?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT People

[Brian Webster]

Keep being you. Who knows how you may have helped some of these folks years 
later or how you might have made a difference in their kids lives for whatever 
time they were employed by you. Just because people do not really recognize the 
opportunity given, don’t let that change who you are. Just cautiously continue 
to help. 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 4:24 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT People

 

Had to fire a guy today.  He had a checkered past.  Drugs, prison etc.  

I gave him a shot, lots of training, (at least now he can have a career, he was 
doing asbestos removal when I hired him).

 

Seems that he shoplifted at one of our favorite supply houses.  

They had eyes on him when he went in, security footage of him standing by a 
rack of stuff and when he turned away things were gone.

The front of his coat was bulging when he left.

He visited the john, after he left they went in there and found some tags etc 
etc etc.  

I told them I would pay for the stuff.  They sent me an itemized bill with the 
exact stuff he took.  

 

Of course he wasn’t there, didn’t do it, didn’t steal, thought about stealing 
this stuff but didn’t do it.

Wrongly accused, can he talk to the vendor etc etc.  

I first found out when the vendor called me and told me he is permanently 
banned from their place.  

 

He was a parolee.  We even removed a bullet from his back that the cops had put 
there.  

It was bothering him and he could not get anyone to cut it out.  He didn’t want 
to spend the money to do it right.  

So one evening after work he was complaining about it to the crew.  

My son the mechanic scrubbed up, got out the betadyne, scalpel, forceps and out 
it came.  

(howz that for a company health plan).  

 

I have hired a bunch of guys like him over the years.  It rarely works out.  I 
have written letters to judges, hired lawyers, got sentences reduced, got 
people sprung from jail.  

Very few figure out how to leverage the chances I have given.

 

Sucks losing the training time I have invested...  

Sucks losing an employee that knows how to do some valuable things.  

Sucks seeing humans continue to screw up their lives.  

 

About 20 years ago I was complaining about this same thing to someone.  

I told him I was not going to do this anymore.

He said: “yes, you will keep doing it”.  Nope, done.  

I guess he was right, I kept doing it.  I will probably do it again.  I think I 
am an idiot sometimes.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT People

[David Coudron]

Behavior is a hard thing to change.   Too bad.

At least you got the bullet removal story out of the deal.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:24 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT People

Had to fire a guy today.  He had a checkered past.  Drugs, prison etc.
I gave him a shot, lots of training, (at least now he can have a career, he was 
doing asbestos removal when I hired him).

Seems that he shoplifted at one of our favorite supply houses.
They had eyes on him when he went in, security footage of him standing by a 
rack of stuff and when he turned away things were gone.
The front of his coat was bulging when he left.
He visited the john, after he left they went in there and found some tags etc 
etc etc.
I told them I would pay for the stuff.  They sent me an itemized bill with the 
exact stuff he took.

Of course he wasn’t there, didn’t do it, didn’t steal, thought about stealing 
this stuff but didn’t do it.
Wrongly accused, can he talk to the vendor etc etc.
I first found out when the vendor called me and told me he is permanently 
banned from their place.

He was a parolee.  We even removed a bullet from his back that the cops had put 
there.
It was bothering him and he could not get anyone to cut it out.  He didn’t want 
to spend the money to do it right.
So one evening after work he was complaining about it to the crew.
My son the mechanic scrubbed up, got out the betadyne, scalpel, forceps and out 
it came.
(howz that for a company health plan).

I have hired a bunch of guys like him over the years.  It rarely works out.  I 
have written letters to judges, hired lawyers, got sentences reduced, got 
people sprung from jail.
Very few figure out how to leverage the chances I have given.

Sucks losing the training time I have invested...
Sucks losing an employee that knows how to do some valuable things.
Sucks seeing humans continue to screw up their lives.

About 20 years ago I was complaining about this same thing to someone.
I told him I was not going to do this anymore.
He said: “yes, you will keep doing it”.  Nope, done.
I guess he was right, I kept doing it.  I will probably do it again.  I think I 
am an idiot sometimes.

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[AFMUG] OT People

[chuck]

Had to fire a guy today.  He had a checkered past.  Drugs, prison etc.  
I gave him a shot, lots of training, (at least now he can have a career, he was 
doing asbestos removal when I hired him).

Seems that he shoplifted at one of our favorite supply houses.  
They had eyes on him when he went in, security footage of him standing by a 
rack of stuff and when he turned away things were gone.
The front of his coat was bulging when he left.
He visited the john, after he left they went in there and found some tags etc 
etc etc.  
I told them I would pay for the stuff.  They sent me an itemized bill with the 
exact stuff he took.  

Of course he wasn’t there, didn’t do it, didn’t steal, thought about stealing 
this stuff but didn’t do it.
Wrongly accused, can he talk to the vendor etc etc.  
I first found out when the vendor called me and told me he is permanently 
banned from their place.  

He was a parolee.  We even removed a bullet from his back that the cops had put 
there.  
It was bothering him and he could not get anyone to cut it out.  He didn’t want 
to spend the money to do it right.  
So one evening after work he was complaining about it to the crew.  
My son the mechanic scrubbed up, got out the betadyne, scalpel, forceps and out 
it came.  
(howz that for a company health plan).  

I have hired a bunch of guys like him over the years.  It rarely works out.  I 
have written letters to judges, hired lawyers, got sentences reduced, got 
people sprung from jail.  
Very few figure out how to leverage the chances I have given.

Sucks losing the training time I have invested...  
Sucks losing an employee that knows how to do some valuable things.  
Sucks seeing humans continue to screw up their lives.  

About 20 years ago I was complaining about this same thing to someone.  
I told him I was not going to do this anymore.
He said: “yes, you will keep doing it”.  Nope, done.  
I guess he was right, I kept doing it.  I will probably do it again.  I think I 
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[Bill Prince]

  
  
He got a new phone (and camera) last year I think.


bp



On 3/23/2020 12:04 PM, Carl Peterson
  wrote:


  
  
Except he would film it with a blurry flip phone camera in
  portrait mode.  :) 


  On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 1:40
PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
  
  

  
Now I want you to start a YouTube
  channel.
 
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 1:26 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this list
 

  Here you go...late breakfast
omelette..

 

  
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 11:08 AM
  Carl Peterson 
  wrote:
  
  

  
I'm getting hungry.  Need
  to see lunch.  
  
   
  

  On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at
11:38 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:


  
Give me a few
  
   
  

  On Mon, Mar 23, 2020,
10:20 AM 
wrote:


  

  

  Folks,
  we have had several new
  subscriptions to this list...
  welcome new folks.  


  I
  promise we are not all about
  Covid19.  We actually do talk
  about wireless internet issues
  and products here, some times.


   


  Sometimes
  we also post photos of what we
  had for lunch.


   


  Jaime,
  what is for lunch today?

  

  
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[Carl Peterson]

Except he would film it with a blurry flip phone camera in portrait mode.
:)

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 1:40 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Now I want you to start a YouTube channel.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2020 1:26 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list
>
>
>
> Here you go...late breakfast omelette..
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 11:08 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> I'm getting hungry.  Need to see lunch.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:38 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Give me a few
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:20 AM  wrote:
>
> Folks, we have had several new subscriptions to this list... welcome new
> folks.
>
> I promise we are not all about Covid19.  We actually do talk about
> wireless internet issues and products here, some times.
>
>
>
> Sometimes we also post photos of what we had for lunch.
>
>
>
> Jaime, what is for lunch today?
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[Jaime Solorza]

Lol

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 12:40 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Now I want you to start a YouTube channel.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2020 1:26 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] this list
>
>
>
> Here you go...late breakfast omelette..
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 11:08 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> I'm getting hungry.  Need to see lunch.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:38 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Give me a few
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:20 AM  wrote:
>
> Folks, we have had several new subscriptions to this list... welcome new
> folks.
>
> I promise we are not all about Covid19.  We actually do talk about
> wireless internet issues and products here, some times.
>
>
>
> Sometimes we also post photos of what we had for lunch.
>
>
>
> Jaime, what is for lunch today?
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[Ken Hohhof]

Now I want you to start a YouTube channel.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 1:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] this list

 

Here you go...late breakfast omelette..

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 11:08 AM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

I'm getting hungry.  Need to see lunch.  

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:38 AM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Give me a few

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:20 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Folks, we have had several new subscriptions to this list... welcome new folks. 
 

I promise we are not all about Covid19.  We actually do talk about wireless 
internet issues and products here, some times.

 

Sometimes we also post photos of what we had for lunch.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Covid19 contribution

[Robert]

I'd be worried that adjust it would make me touch my face more? But I 
like the idea...


On 3/23/20 9:25 AM, Mike Meluskey wrote:
We just bought a bunch of tightly woven Neck Gaiter Buffs, which are 
sun protection sleeves
https://www.amazon.com/Bassdash-Protection-Protector-Kayaking-Activities/dp/B07WCSX2LJ?ref_=s9_apbd_orecs_hd_bw_bEJzz_rd_r=1BCV0FXRQ6HSBAFQA829_rd_p=a89ef3bb-03d0-573d-893c-f5cde13fe555_rd_s=merchandised-search-11_rd_t=BROWSE_rd_i=3413471 



To help out a little / stop us from touching our faces:
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/jason-tetro/winter-scarf-germs_b_13549128.html 





On 23 Mar 2020, at 12:17, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

There is a document online about making them.  Then end up being 
about 65 percent.  I think it is either 4 or 8 layers.
Cotton T shirt material.  You boil the fabric first.  Then orient it 
multiple directions.  The design was officially tested.


I ll see if I can find it...
Yep, here it is..
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3373043/

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 9:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Covid19 contribution

My wifey got out her sewing machine and made a stack of cotton face
masks yesterday.  Apparently local doctor's offices were asking for them
to be donated.  Some hospitals need them too, and maybe your friends and
family need them.

If you or someone you know can sew it's something helpful you can do
with that skill.



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[Carl Peterson]

I'm getting hungry.  Need to see lunch.

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 11:38 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Give me a few
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:20 AM  wrote:
>
>> Folks, we have had several new subscriptions to this list... welcome new
>> folks.
>> I promise we are not all about Covid19.  We actually do talk about
>> wireless internet issues and products here, some times.
>>
>> Sometimes we also post photos of what we had for lunch.
>>
>> Jaime, what is for lunch today?
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[Jaime Solorza]

Give me a few

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 10:20 AM  wrote:

> Folks, we have had several new subscriptions to this list... welcome new
> folks.
> I promise we are not all about Covid19.  We actually do talk about
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>
> Sometimes we also post photos of what we had for lunch.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Covid19 contribution

[Mike Meluskey]

We just bought a bunch of tightly woven Neck Gaiter Buffs, which are sun 
protection sleeves

https://www.amazon.com/Bassdash-Protection-Protector-Kayaking-Activities/dp/B07WCSX2LJ?ref_=s9_apbd_orecs_hd_bw_bEJzz_rd_r=1BCV0FXRQ6HSBAFQA829_rd_p=a89ef3bb-03d0-573d-893c-f5cde13fe555_rd_s=merchandised-search-11_rd_t=BROWSE_rd_i=3413471

To help out a little / stop us from touching our faces:
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/jason-tetro/winter-scarf-germs_b_13549128.html



On 23 Mar 2020, at 12:17, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

There is a document online about making them.  Then end up being about 
65 percent.  I think it is either 4 or 8 layers.
Cotton T shirt material.  You boil the fabric first.  Then orient it 
multiple directions.  The design was officially tested.


I ll see if I can find it...
Yep, here it is..
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3373043/

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 9:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Covid19 contribution

My wifey got out her sewing machine and made a stack of cotton face
masks yesterday.  Apparently local doctor's offices were asking for 
them
to be donated.  Some hospitals need them too, and maybe your friends 
and

family need them.

If you or someone you know can sew it's something helpful you can do
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Sometimes we also post photos of what we had for lunch.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Covid19 contribution

[chuck]

There is a document online about making them.  Then end up being about 65 
percent.  I think it is either 4 or 8 layers.
Cotton T shirt material.  You boil the fabric first.  Then orient it 
multiple directions.  The design was officially tested.


I ll see if I can find it...
Yep, here it is..
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3373043/

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Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Covid19 contribution

My wifey got out her sewing machine and made a stack of cotton face
masks yesterday.  Apparently local doctor's offices were asking for them
to be donated.  Some hospitals need them too, and maybe your friends and
family need them.

If you or someone you know can sew it's something helpful you can do
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Covid19 contribution

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Plus I see half the people wearing masks, but not covering their
  nose. And I also see people wearing a mask, and then touching
  their face around the eyes.
Points being that he mask might be effective if you are already
  infected & you want to avoid sharing virus particles with
  those around you.


bp



On 3/23/2020 9:02 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  No, but neither are any of the other types.  The biggest
benefits of a mask are
  1) You can't touch your face .which you do on average 20
times per hour without even thinking about it.
  2) It keeps your own germs contained to your face.
  I.E.: It protects the people around you better than it protects
yourself.  A cloth mask does both of those things just as well
as a disposable paper surgical mask.  
  No face mask is going to keep you from breathing in virus
particles (no, not even the N95 masks).  In a study they had
people wear different types of masks around flu* patients at
home.  The control group wore no masks at all.  This was
considered ethical because at home the default state is
not wearing masks anyway.  The result was that masks reduced the
chance of catching the flu, but it didn't make a big difference
which type of mask people had.  We can shout about wearing the
N95 mask "properly" with a good seal and yada yada, but how many
people are actually trained for that and how many will be
diligent about keeping the mask sealed at all times?  
  
  *(I know this virus is not influenza, but it spreads through
the same basic mechanisms).
  
  
  On 3/23/2020 11:50 AM, Jay Weekley
wrote:
  
  Are
they effective for filtering the virus? 

Adam Moffett wrote: 
My wifey got out her sewing machine and
  made a stack of cotton face masks yesterday.  Apparently local
  doctor's offices were asking for them to be donated.  Some
  hospitals need them too, and maybe your friends and family
  need them. 
  
  If you or someone you know can sew it's something helpful you
  can do with that skill. 
  
  
  


  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Covid19 contribution

[Adam Moffett]

No, but neither are any of the other types.  The biggest benefits of a 
mask are


1) You can't touch your face .which you do on average 20 times per 
hour without even thinking about it.


2) It keeps your own germs contained to your face.

I.E.: It protects the people around you better than it protects 
yourself.  A cloth mask does both of those things just as well as a 
disposable paper surgical mask.


No face mask is going to keep you from breathing in virus particles (no, 
not even the N95 masks).  In a study they had people wear different 
types of masks around flu* patients at home.  The control group wore no 
masks at all.  This was considered ethical because /at home/ the default 
state is not wearing masks anyway.  The result was that masks reduced 
the chance of catching the flu, but it didn't make a big difference 
which type of mask people had.  We can shout about wearing the N95 mask 
"properly" with a good seal and yada yada, but how many people are 
actually trained for that and how many will be diligent about keeping 
the mask sealed at all times?


*(I know this virus is not influenza, but it spreads through the same 
basic mechanisms).



On 3/23/2020 11:50 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Are they effective for filtering the virus?

Adam Moffett wrote:
My wifey got out her sewing machine and made a stack of cotton face 
masks yesterday.  Apparently local doctor's offices were asking for 
them to be donated.  Some hospitals need them too, and maybe your 
friends and family need them.


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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Ken Hohhof]

In these times, it’s impossible to tell.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 10:01 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

 

I hope it's clear that I wasn't serious with the last two messages by the way.  

 

On 3/23/2020 10:38 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

this is actually legit, its a tool i ordered back in january, shipped from 
wuhan, but got caught in the first quarantine

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:24 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I bet cicely is a Nigerian*.

*Nigerian conspiracy claim is made with no evidence.

On 3/23/2020 9:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

I got this this morning from China 

 

 




cic...@sunmoon.work   mailto:cic...@sunmoon.work> >


3:29 AM (4 hours ago) 

   

   



to me

   

Hi dear,

I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you that your 
order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus throughout the world ,so 
could we resend another one to you?

We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to show our apology.

Please let me know if i can resend the item for you.

Looking forward to receiving your reply.

 

 

 

Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks

 

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point.  The only 
"evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case bloggers.  You're 
implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they 
intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific 
countries.  That's not realistic.

Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time.  You let 
somebody out because they're important or necessary to have outside the 
quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends out, so they 
pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks.  Nobody 
realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only effective until 
people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets bigger.  A 
quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that bureaucrats in 
China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours do too).  
"Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually are 
willing to comply with the order not to cross.

So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect except for 
when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel incident, 
even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in Germany.

You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created the virus, 
but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts have been 
quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing virus.  How 
they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to believe them 
than to believe randos on the Internet.

There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create the virus 
in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus.  Until you see 
some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not hearing 
more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to channel your 
frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion and provides 
no solutions.

-Adam


On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
> I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human 
> rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective. Yet, 
> if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did this virus 
> so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s 
> perhaps favored countries less prone? 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Covid19 contribution

[Jay Weekley]

Are they effective for filtering the virus?

Adam Moffett wrote:
My wifey got out her sewing machine and made a stack of cotton face 
masks yesterday.  Apparently local doctor's offices were asking for 
them to be donated.  Some hospitals need them too, and maybe your 
friends and family need them.


If you or someone you know can sew it's something helpful you can do 
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[AFMUG] OT: Covid19 contribution

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My wifey got out her sewing machine and made a stack of cotton face 
masks yesterday.  Apparently local doctor's offices were asking for them 
to be donated.  Some hospitals need them too, and maybe your friends and 
family need them.


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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Mathew Howard]

I think ebay actually banned all face mask sales because of that...

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:12 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Nobody could argue that an auction was gouging could they?  Does EBay
> still do auctions?
> On 3/23/2020 11:04 AM, James Howard wrote:
>
> Just think how much you could sell those masks for on Ebay!  Oh wait,
> they’re not allowing price gouging are they.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2020 8:21 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question
>
>
>
> I got this this morning from China
>
>
>
>
> cic...@sunmoon.work 
>
> 3:29 AM (4 hours ago)
>
> to me
>
> Hi dear,
>
> I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you that your
> order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus throughout the world
> ,so could we resend another one to you?
>
> We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to show our
> apology.
>
> Please let me know if i can resend the item for you.
>
> Looking forward to receiving your reply.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point.  The only
> "evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case bloggers.  You're
> implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they
> intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific
> countries.  That's not realistic.
>
> Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time.  You let
> somebody out because they're important or necessary to have outside the
> quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends out, so they
> pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks.  Nobody
> realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only effective until
> people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets bigger.  A
> quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that bureaucrats in
> China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours do too).
> "Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually are
> willing to comply with the order not to cross.
>
> So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect except for
> when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel incident,
> even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in Germany.
>
> You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created the virus,
> but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts have been
> quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing virus.  How
> they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to believe them
> than to believe randos on the Internet.
>
> There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create the virus
> in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus.  Until you see
> some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not hearing
> more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to channel your
> frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion and provides
> no solutions.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
> > I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human
> > rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective. Yet,
> > if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did this virus
> > so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s
> > perhaps favored countries less prone?
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Adam Moffett]

Nobody could argue that an auction was gouging could they?  Does EBay 
still do auctions?


On 3/23/2020 11:04 AM, James Howard wrote:


Just think how much you could sell those masks for on Ebay!  Oh wait, 
they’re not allowing price gouging are they.


*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2020 8:21 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

I got this this morning from China


  cic...@sunmoon.work
  mailto:cic...@sunmoon.work>>



3:29 AM (4 hours ago)




to me

Hi dear,

I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you that 
your order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus throughout 
the world ,so could we resend another one to you?


We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to show our 
apology.


Please let me know if i can resend the item for you.

Looking forward to receiving your reply.

Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point.  The only
"evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case bloggers. 
You're
implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they
intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific
countries.  That's not realistic.

Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time.  You let
somebody out because they're important or necessary to have
outside the
quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends out, so
they
pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks. Nobody
realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only effective
until
people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets
bigger.  A
quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that
bureaucrats in
China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours do
too).
"Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually are
willing to comply with the order not to cross.

So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect except for
when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel incident,
even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in Germany.

You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created the
virus,
but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts have
been
quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing virus. 
How
they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to believe
them
than to believe randos on the Internet.

There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create the
virus
in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus. Until you see
some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not hearing
more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to channel
your
frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion and
provides
no solutions.

-Adam


On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
> I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human
> rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective.
Yet,
> if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did this
virus
> so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s
> perhaps favored countries less prone?

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[James Howard]

Just think how much you could sell those masks for on Ebay!  Oh wait, they’re 
not allowing price gouging are they.

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 8:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

I got this this morning from China


cic...@sunmoon.work 
mailto:cic...@sunmoon.work>>


3:29 AM (4 hours ago)

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Hi dear,
I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you that your 
order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus throughout the world ,so 
could we resend another one to you?
We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to show our apology.
Please let me know if i can resend the item for you.
Looking forward to receiving your reply.



Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point.  The only
"evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case bloggers.  You're
implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they
intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific
countries.  That's not realistic.

Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time.  You let
somebody out because they're important or necessary to have outside the
quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends out, so they
pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks.  Nobody
realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only effective until
people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets bigger.  A
quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that bureaucrats in
China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours do too).
"Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually are
willing to comply with the order not to cross.

So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect except for
when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel incident,
even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in Germany.

You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created the virus,
but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts have been
quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing virus.  How
they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to believe them
than to believe randos on the Internet.

There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create the virus
in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus.  Until you see
some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not hearing
more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to channel your
frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion and provides
no solutions.

-Adam


On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
> I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human
> rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective. Yet,
> if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did this virus
> so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s
> perhaps favored countries less prone?

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Adam Moffett]

I hope it's clear that I wasn't serious with the last two messages by 
the way.



On 3/23/2020 10:38 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
this is actually legit, its a tool i ordered back in january, shipped 
from wuhan, but got caught in the first quarantine


On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:24 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I bet cicely is a Nigerian*.

*Nigerian conspiracy claim is made with no evidence.

On 3/23/2020 9:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

I got this this morning from China


  cic...@sunmoon.work 
  mailto:cic...@sunmoon.work>>


3:29 AM (4 hours ago)


to me

Hi dear,
I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you
that your order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus
throughout the world ,so could we resend another one to you?
We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to
show our apology.
Please let me know if i can resend the item for you.
Looking forward to receiving your reply.



Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point. 
The only
"evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case
bloggers.  You're
implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they
intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific
countries.  That's not realistic.

Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time. 
You let
somebody out because they're important or necessary to have
outside the
quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends
out, so they
pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks.  Nobody
realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only
effective until
people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets
bigger.  A
quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that
bureaucrats in
China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours
do too).
"Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually
are
willing to comply with the order not to cross.

So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect
except for
when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel
incident,
even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in
Germany.

You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created
the virus,
but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts
have been
quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing
virus.  How
they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to
believe them
than to believe randos on the Internet.

There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create
the virus
in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus. Until
you see
some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not
hearing
more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to
channel your
frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion
and provides
no solutions.

-Adam


On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
> I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and
human
> rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was
effective. Yet,
> if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did
this virus
> so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of
China’s
> perhaps favored countries less prone?

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Steve Jones]

We have an infection here in the town i live in, small town like 25k
people. Im curious to see how the morons react. I see torches and
pitchforks in the future

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 9:38 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> this is actually legit, its a tool i ordered back in january, shipped from
> wuhan, but got caught in the first quarantine
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:24 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I bet cicely is a Nigerian*.
>>
>> *Nigerian conspiracy claim is made with no evidence.
>> On 3/23/2020 9:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> I got this this morning from China
>>
>>
>> cic...@sunmoon.work 
>> 3:29 AM (4 hours ago)
>>
>> to me
>> Hi dear,
>> I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you that
>> your order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus throughout the
>> world ,so could we resend another one to you?
>> We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to show our
>> apology.
>> Please let me know if i can resend the item for you.
>> Looking forward to receiving your reply.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point.  The only
>>> "evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case bloggers.  You're
>>> implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they
>>> intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific
>>> countries.  That's not realistic.
>>>
>>> Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time.  You let
>>> somebody out because they're important or necessary to have outside the
>>> quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends out, so they
>>> pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks.  Nobody
>>> realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only effective until
>>> people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets bigger.  A
>>> quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that bureaucrats in
>>> China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours do too).
>>> "Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually are
>>> willing to comply with the order not to cross.
>>>
>>> So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect except for
>>> when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel incident,
>>> even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in Germany.
>>>
>>> You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created the virus,
>>> but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts have been
>>> quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing virus.  How
>>> they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to believe them
>>> than to believe randos on the Internet.
>>>
>>> There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create the virus
>>> in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus.  Until you see
>>> some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not hearing
>>> more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to channel your
>>> frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion and provides
>>> no solutions.
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
>>> > I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human
>>> > rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective. Yet,
>>> > if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did this virus
>>> > so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s
>>> > perhaps favored countries less prone?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT..caldillo con fideo y tortillas de maiz

[Jaime Solorza]

will definitely share them
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 8:18 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I hope you get quarantined with a full pantry, 14 days of food pics
>
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 4:38 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Salud mi fine feathered wispers et Al
>> Lucky man am I.
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Steve Jones]

this is actually legit, its a tool i ordered back in january, shipped from
wuhan, but got caught in the first quarantine

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:24 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I bet cicely is a Nigerian*.
>
> *Nigerian conspiracy claim is made with no evidence.
> On 3/23/2020 9:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> I got this this morning from China
>
>
> cic...@sunmoon.work 
> 3:29 AM (4 hours ago)
>
> to me
> Hi dear,
> I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you that your
> order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus throughout the world
> ,so could we resend another one to you?
> We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to show our
> apology.
> Please let me know if i can resend the item for you.
> Looking forward to receiving your reply.
>
>
>
> Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point.  The only
>> "evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case bloggers.  You're
>> implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they
>> intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific
>> countries.  That's not realistic.
>>
>> Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time.  You let
>> somebody out because they're important or necessary to have outside the
>> quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends out, so they
>> pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks.  Nobody
>> realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only effective until
>> people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets bigger.  A
>> quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that bureaucrats in
>> China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours do too).
>> "Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually are
>> willing to comply with the order not to cross.
>>
>> So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect except for
>> when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel incident,
>> even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in Germany.
>>
>> You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created the virus,
>> but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts have been
>> quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing virus.  How
>> they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to believe them
>> than to believe randos on the Internet.
>>
>> There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create the virus
>> in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus.  Until you see
>> some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not hearing
>> more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to channel your
>> frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion and provides
>> no solutions.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
>> > I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human
>> > rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective. Yet,
>> > if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did this virus
>> > so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s
>> > perhaps favored countries less prone?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Adam Moffett]

I bet cicely is a Nigerian*.

*Nigerian conspiracy claim is made with no evidence.

On 3/23/2020 9:20 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

I got this this morning from China


  cic...@sunmoon.work 
  mailto:cic...@sunmoon.work>>


3:29 AM (4 hours ago)


to me

Hi dear,
I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you that 
your order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus throughout 
the world ,so could we resend another one to you?
We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to show our 
apology.

Please let me know if i can resend the item for you.
Looking forward to receiving your reply.



Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point.  The only
"evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case bloggers. 
You're
implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they
intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific
countries.  That's not realistic.

Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time. You let
somebody out because they're important or necessary to have
outside the
quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends out, so
they
pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks. Nobody
realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only effective
until
people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets
bigger.  A
quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that
bureaucrats in
China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours do
too).
"Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually are
willing to comply with the order not to cross.

So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect except for
when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel incident,
even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in Germany.

You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created the
virus,
but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts have
been
quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing virus. 
How
they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to believe
them
than to believe randos on the Internet.

There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create the
virus
in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus.  Until you see
some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not hearing
more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to channel
your
frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion and
provides
no solutions.

-Adam


On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
> I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human
> rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective.
Yet,
> if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did this
virus
> so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s
> perhaps favored countries less prone?

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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Steve Jones]

I got this this morning from China


cic...@sunmoon.work 
3:29 AM (4 hours ago)
to me
Hi dear,
I am Cicely from the samotoy store but i am so sorry to tell you that your
order now is trapped in the Customs by the bad virus throughout the world
,so could we resend another one to you?
We would like to resend the item with 2 face mask together to show our
apology.
Please let me know if i can resend the item for you.
Looking forward to receiving your reply.



Ummm, no, I dont think i want those death masks

On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 8:07 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point.  The only
> "evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case bloggers.  You're
> implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they
> intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific
> countries.  That's not realistic.
>
> Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time.  You let
> somebody out because they're important or necessary to have outside the
> quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends out, so they
> pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks.  Nobody
> realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only effective until
> people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets bigger.  A
> quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that bureaucrats in
> China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours do too).
> "Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually are
> willing to comply with the order not to cross.
>
> So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect except for
> when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel incident,
> even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in Germany.
>
> You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created the virus,
> but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts have been
> quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing virus.  How
> they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to believe them
> than to believe randos on the Internet.
>
> There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create the virus
> in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus.  Until you see
> some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not hearing
> more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to channel your
> frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion and provides
> no solutions.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
> > I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human
> > rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective. Yet,
> > if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did this virus
> > so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s
> > perhaps favored countries less prone?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: shelter in place question

[Adam Moffett]

I'm pretty sick of the conspiracy theories at this point.  The only 
"evidence" anyone has pointed me at so far is nut-case bloggers.  You're 
implying that the quarantine could have been perfect except they 
intentionally let some people out who were destined to specific 
countries.  That's not realistic.


Quarantines always leak and the leak gets bigger over time.  You let 
somebody out because they're important or necessary to have outside the 
quarantine, then they want to get their family and friends out, so they 
pull strings or sneak them out.  That's the early leaks.  Nobody 
realistically encircles the whole province, so it's only effective until 
people decide not to stay anymore. That's where the leak gets bigger.  A 
quarantine is a best effort.  It's also understood that bureaucrats in 
China are not adverse to taking bribes (I'm sure some of ours do too).  
"Closing a border" is only going to work when people actually are 
willing to comply with the order not to cross.


So to think a quarantine in Wuhan was going to be perfect except for 
when they wanted it to be is not realistic.  As a parallel incident, 
even the actual fascist gestapo couldn't keep all the Jews in Germany.


You haven't gone as far as to claim that the Chinese created the virus, 
but in case you were wondering: actual subject matter experts have been 
quite clear that this is a natural mutation of an existing virus.  How 
they know that is beyond my ken, but I'm more inclined to believe them 
than to believe randos on the Internet.


There's nobody to blame for this.  The Chinese didn't create the virus 
in a lab.  The Chinese didn't attack us with a virus.  Until you see 
some credible evidence to the contrary I would appreciate not hearing 
more about it.  It might give you a direction in which to channel your 
frustrations, but it adds nothing useful to the discussion and provides 
no solutions.


-Adam


On 3/22/2020 6:00 PM, Tyson Burris wrote:
I do understand China has no regard for civil liberties and human 
rights so their lockdown in Wuhan as Marshall Law was effective. Yet, 
if it was so good to protect other cities of China, how did this virus 
so easily escape to outside the country.  Why are some of China’s 
perhaps favored countries less prone? 


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