Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

[Jason McKemie]

I'm not even sure why anyone is still buying 820C radios with the pricing
that Aviat is running.

On Sunday, March 29, 2020, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

> Looking at the specs it appears Aviat is a better radio. 4096 quam vs 2048
> quam. (1.4gbps vs 1.2gbps) SFP+ ports vs SFP ports. So why is Cambium
> pricing the 820c at double the Aviat? Sounds like Cambium should be cheaper
> since the Aviat clearly has some advantages.
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Re: [AFMUG] Oneweb is apparently bankrupt

[Ryan Ray]

Spacex next?

http://tmfassociates.com/blog/2020/03/21/why-spacex-desperately-needs-a-government-bailout/

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:34 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Expected to go out for funding based upon launch success and no market
> to pull money from...
>
> On 03/29/2020 01:06 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > Ooops
> >
> >> On Mar 29, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >>
> >> And another one bites the dust.
> >>
> >>
> https://www.wired.com/story/spacex-competitor-oneweb-is-reportedly-bankrupt/
> >>
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> >> bp
> >> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: usually 10.00

[Mathew Howard]

Hey! Muenster is the best cheese there is...

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 3:48 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Don't buy Munster.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/29/2020 12:57 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Wow.
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Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

[Steve Jones]

I lo e the aviat direct model. I like that I can sit up at 3am and build
out my quote, know what's in stock, etc and just order it. Assuming the fcc
side of things is good.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 7:54 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Just priced a full link is all. Yeah Aviat full license out the door with
> antennas, cables, power supplies was half of Cambium.
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 8:31 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Are you just pricing qty=1?  If not, are you just figuring 20% off MSRP,
>> or have you asked your Cambium sales manager for better pricing?  Also have
>> you included all accessories and license keys in your BOM?  Not saying that
>> will change your price comparison, just some things to make sure it’s
>> apples-to-apples.  Direct sales model is a little different than sales
>> through distribution.
>>
>>
>>
>> The answer might be that licensed radio vendors go through product cycles
>> and whoever just brought out their next generation will look the best.
>> Cambium isn’t shipping the 850C yet.  I seem to remember SIAE is in a
>> similar situation on 2+0 radios.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:06 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c
>>
>>
>>
>> Looking at the specs it appears Aviat is a better radio. 4096 quam vs
>> 2048 quam. (1.4gbps vs 1.2gbps) SFP+ ports vs SFP ports. So why is Cambium
>> pricing the 820c at double the Aviat? Sounds like Cambium should be cheaper
>> since the Aviat clearly has some advantages.
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Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Just priced a full link is all. Yeah Aviat full license out the door with
antennas, cables, power supplies was half of Cambium.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 8:31 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Are you just pricing qty=1?  If not, are you just figuring 20% off MSRP,
> or have you asked your Cambium sales manager for better pricing?  Also have
> you included all accessories and license keys in your BOM?  Not saying that
> will change your price comparison, just some things to make sure it’s
> apples-to-apples.  Direct sales model is a little different than sales
> through distribution.
>
>
>
> The answer might be that licensed radio vendors go through product cycles
> and whoever just brought out their next generation will look the best.
> Cambium isn’t shipping the 850C yet.  I seem to remember SIAE is in a
> similar situation on 2+0 radios.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:06 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c
>
>
>
> Looking at the specs it appears Aviat is a better radio. 4096 quam vs 2048
> quam. (1.4gbps vs 1.2gbps) SFP+ ports vs SFP ports. So why is Cambium
> pricing the 820c at double the Aviat? Sounds like Cambium should be cheaper
> since the Aviat clearly has some advantages.
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Re: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

[Ken Hohhof]

Are you just pricing qty=1?  If not, are you just figuring 20% off MSRP, or 
have you asked your Cambium sales manager for better pricing?  Also have you 
included all accessories and license keys in your BOM?  Not saying that will 
change your price comparison, just some things to make sure it’s 
apples-to-apples.  Direct sales model is a little different than sales through 
distribution.

 

The answer might be that licensed radio vendors go through product cycles and 
whoever just brought out their next generation will look the best.  Cambium 
isn’t shipping the 850C yet.  I seem to remember SIAE is in a similar situation 
on 2+0 radios.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

 

Looking at the specs it appears Aviat is a better radio. 4096 quam vs 2048 
quam. (1.4gbps vs 1.2gbps) SFP+ ports vs SFP ports. So why is Cambium pricing 
the 820c at double the Aviat? Sounds like Cambium should be cheaper since the 
Aviat clearly has some advantages.

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Re: [AFMUG] Next December

[David Coudron]

That virus stuff is beyond my pay grade, I was really just trying to find a way 
to work that Austin Powers scene into a discussion somewhere and this was about 
as close as I could get to a topic that would support it 😊

However, our whole world is shut down over a virus that wasn’t supposed to be 
able to jump from animals to humans.   But it did.   I am not really pushing 
the theory that hard, as again, it is way above my pay grade.   But you have to 
wonder about those kinds of things, as isolated things are meant to stay 
isolated.   Whether it is zebra mussels or other invasive species, or viruses, 
inter-planetary travel could have the possibility of bringing something here 
that doesn’t have a natural check in our nature checks and balances kind of 
planet.

Regards,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:07 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1988/09/28

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Adam Moffett
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 6:58 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December


I've wondered about that.  I recall an article by someone purporting to know 
about such things.  They suggested that we needn't be worried about alien 
viruses because they would have evolved in a world with no humans and no 
creatures anything like humans.  Therefore they couldn't have evolved the means 
to infect human cells and use them to multiply.

.but until we meet an alien virus we won't know what one looks like.
On 3/29/2020 2:51 PM, David Coudron wrote:
I wonder what viruses will be brought back from Mars.Globalization brings 
its own set up problems, travel to and from other planets could also bring some 
new challenges to us that are bigger than this virus.  Everyone would need to 
go through an Austin Powers level de-contamination process before they can come 
back into society 😊

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:41 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

I actually saw a prediction that with lower birthrate and blocking immigration, 
this country is headed for the population actually shrinking for probably the 
first time ever.  And I think that prediction was before the virus hit.  I 
think the 2008 recession caused lower rate of family formation, home ownership, 
and yes procreation.

If I were at the age where you decide to “start a family”, I’m not sure I’d 
decide to bring someone into the world right now.  Wait and see what life post 
apocalypse looks like.  I wouldn’t be surprised if some people were freezing 
eggs and stuff.  Or signing up with SpaceX for that Mars colony.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

I was trying to be funny.   I should know by now I am not that good at it 😊

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:36 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

I would suspect the opposite would happen.

Or are you assuming that exam gloves aren’t the only protection in short supply?


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

That would mean couples aren’t practicing good social distancing habits in 
their homes.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:18 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Next December

Corona Boomers.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: usually 10.00

[Steve Jones]

I need this in my life

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 3:48 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Don't buy Munster.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/29/2020 12:57 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Wow.
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Re: [AFMUG] Next December

[Ken Hohhof]

https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1988/09/28



 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 6:58 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

 

I've wondered about that.  I recall an article by someone purporting to know 
about such things.  They suggested that we needn't be worried about alien 
viruses because they would have evolved in a world with no humans and no 
creatures anything like humans.  Therefore they couldn't have evolved the means 
to infect human cells and use them to multiply.

.but until we meet an alien virus we won't know what one looks like.

On 3/29/2020 2:51 PM, David Coudron wrote:

I wonder what viruses will be brought back from Mars.Globalization brings 
its own set up problems, travel to and from other planets could also bring some 
new challenges to us that are bigger than this virus.  Everyone would need to 
go through an Austin Powers level de-contamination process before they can come 
back into society 😊

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:41 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

 

I actually saw a prediction that with lower birthrate and blocking immigration, 
this country is headed for the population actually shrinking for probably the 
first time ever.  And I think that prediction was before the virus hit.  I 
think the 2008 recession caused lower rate of family formation, home ownership, 
and yes procreation.

 

If I were at the age where you decide to “start a family”, I’m not sure I’d 
decide to bring someone into the world right now.  Wait and see what life post 
apocalypse looks like.  I wouldn’t be surprised if some people were freezing 
eggs and stuff.  Or signing up with SpaceX for that Mars colony.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

 

I was trying to be funny.   I should know by now I am not that good at it 😊

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:36 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

 

I would suspect the opposite would happen.

 

Or are you assuming that exam gloves aren’t the only protection in short supply?

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

 

That would mean couples aren’t practicing good social distancing habits in 
their homes.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:18 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] Next December

 

Corona Boomers.





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[AFMUG] Aviat vs Cambium 820c

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Looking at the specs it appears Aviat is a better radio. 4096 quam vs 2048
quam. (1.4gbps vs 1.2gbps) SFP+ ports vs SFP ports. So why is Cambium
pricing the 820c at double the Aviat? Sounds like Cambium should be cheaper
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Re: [AFMUG] Next December

[Adam Moffett]

I've wondered about that.  I recall an article by someone purporting to 
know about such things.  They suggested that we needn't be worried about 
alien viruses because they would have evolved in a world with no humans 
and no creatures anything like humans.  Therefore they couldn't have 
evolved the means to infect human cells and use them to multiply.


.but until we meet an alien virus we won't know what one looks like.

On 3/29/2020 2:51 PM, David Coudron wrote:


I wonder what viruses will be brought back from Mars.    Globalization 
brings its own set up problems, travel to and from other planets could 
also bring some new challenges to us that are bigger than this virus.  
Everyone would need to go through an Austin Powers level 
de-contamination process before they can come back into society 😊


Regards,

David Coudron

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:41 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Next December

I actually saw a prediction that with lower birthrate and blocking 
immigration, this country is headed for the population actually 
shrinking for probably the first time ever.  And I think that 
prediction was before the virus hit. I think the 2008 recession caused 
lower rate of family formation, home ownership, and yes procreation.


If I were at the age where you decide to “start a family”, I’m not 
sure I’d decide to bring someone into the world right now.  Wait and 
see what life post apocalypse looks like.  I wouldn’t be surprised if 
some people were freezing eggs and stuff.  Or signing up with SpaceX 
for that Mars colony.


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
*On Behalf Of *David Coudron

*Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:02 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Next December

I was trying to be funny.   I should know by now I am not that good at 
it 😊


Regards,

David Coudron

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
*On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof

*Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:36 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Next December

I would suspect the opposite would happen.

Or are you assuming that exam gloves aren’t the only protection in 
short supply?


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
*On Behalf Of *David Coudron

*Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:23 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Next December

That would mean couples aren’t practicing good social distancing 
habits in their homes.


Regards,

David Coudron

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
*On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com 

*Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:18 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Next December

Corona Boomers.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Robert]

Truth is always the funniest!

On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Now THAT is funny.

-Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 
3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

Or...    "Why Google fails at so many new projects..."

On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:

On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs
that went no where.

We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications,
but could not do the actual job.







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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Ken Hohhof]

Hire a moron and have him watch 17 TED talks.

https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-03-25

(you have to read the strips from the next few days also)


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 5:51 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

Now THAT is funny.

-Original Message-
From: Robert
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 3:40 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query 

Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..."

On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect 
>> GPAs that went no where.
> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and 
> certifications, but could not do the actual job.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: awesome enchiladas

[Jaime Solorza]

I had six!!

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 4:50 PM  wrote:

> Dang, I haven’t even had lunch yet.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 4:42 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: awesome enchiladas
>
> Thanks wife
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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[chuck]

Now THAT is funny.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert 
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 3:40 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query 


Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..."

On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:

On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs
that went no where.

We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications,
but could not do the actual job.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: awesome enchiladas

[chuck]

Dang, I haven’t even had lunch yet.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 4:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: awesome enchiladas

Thanks wife



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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Robert]

Or...    "Why Google fails at so many new projects..."

On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:

On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs
that went no where.

We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications,
but could not do the actual job.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Larry Smith]

On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs
> that went no where.

We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications,
but could not do the actual job.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: usually 10.00

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Don't buy Munster.


bp



On 3/29/2020 12:57 PM, Jaime Solorza
  wrote:


  
  Wow.
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Robert Andrews]

Now the are all WISPS..

On 03/29/2020 01:08 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Used to be if you could find a farm kid that was also a ham it would be 
a good hire.

*From:* can...@believewireless.net
*Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:49 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
I don't think there has been a good predictor found of wealth or 
success. (GPA, college degree, MBA, etc.)
But you can see people in your field that you would say, I'd hire them 
in a second. They may have been high
school/college dropouts, low GPA, no sports ability, etc. If you had 
looked over their resume early in their

career, you may have passed them over.
And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs 
that went no where.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 3:08 PM  wrote:

I have known some sales engineers and field application engineers
that have done very very well.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:32 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

One of my roommates in college was also an engineering student, but
not a very good student.  Later he attributed his success in life to
his poor GPA.  He couldn’t land a regular engineering design job
(didn’t help there was a recession on), so he settled for a job as
an applications engineer or sales engineer.  Within a few years he
had his own company.  Probably the most successful of any in our
group.



https://www.linkedin.com/in/wmtjones





*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:58 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query



In gym class I was never an early draft.  Usually near the last.

I did play on local soccer and football leagues, but never stood
out. I did it because everyone else did it, and the parents said I
had to do something extracurricular.  This is a bit of an
embarrassing story, but when I joined the local Pop Warner football
team I didn't know any of the rules to football.  Soccer was simple
to muddle through --kick towards the other goal, don't use hands. 
Football has a lot of rules.  The coaches never explained how to

actually play and I never asked.  I just sort of tried to emulate
the kids around me to get through the games.  I never figured out
what a "down" was until I was in high school. 

I haven't stayed in touch with any of the school athletes so I
couldn't say how they're doing in life. 



On 3/29/2020 1:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering:



Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes
were assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how
near the front were you picked?



I was frequently next to last.  Better than being last. 

The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives. 
Multiple spouses, menial jobs etc. 




Who won?






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Re: [AFMUG] Oneweb is apparently bankrupt

[Robert Andrews]

Expected to go out for funding based upon launch success and no market 
to pull money from...


On 03/29/2020 01:06 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Ooops


On Mar 29, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

And another one bites the dust.

https://www.wired.com/story/spacex-competitor-oneweb-is-reportedly-bankrupt/

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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[chuck]

Used to be if you could find a farm kid that was also a ham it would be a good 
hire.  

From: can...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

I don't think there has been a good predictor found of wealth or success. (GPA, 
college degree, MBA, etc.)
But you can see people in your field that you would say, I'd hire them in a 
second. They may have been high
school/college dropouts, low GPA, no sports ability, etc. If you had looked 
over their resume early in their
career, you may have passed them over.

And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs that 
went no where.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 3:08 PM  wrote:

  I have known some sales engineers and field application engineers that have 
done very very well.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:32 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

  One of my roommates in college was also an engineering student, but not a 
very good student.  Later he attributed his success in life to his poor GPA.  
He couldn’t land a regular engineering design job (didn’t help there was a 
recession on), so he settled for a job as an applications engineer or sales 
engineer.  Within a few years he had his own company.  Probably the most 
successful of any in our group.



  https://www.linkedin.com/in/wmtjones





  From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:58 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query



  In gym class I was never an early draft.  Usually near the last.

  I did play on local soccer and football leagues, but never stood out.  I did 
it because everyone else did it, and the parents said I had to do something 
extracurricular.  This is a bit of an embarrassing story, but when I joined the 
local Pop Warner football team I didn't know any of the rules to football.  
Soccer was simple to muddle through --kick towards the other goal, don't use 
hands.  Football has a lot of rules.  The coaches never explained how to 
actually play and I never asked.  I just sort of tried to emulate the kids 
around me to get through the games.  I never figured out what a "down" was 
until I was in high school.  

  I haven't stayed in touch with any of the school athletes so I couldn't say 
how they're doing in life. 



  On 3/29/2020 1:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering:



Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were 
assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front were 
you picked?



I was frequently next to last.  Better than being last.  

The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives.  Multiple 
spouses, menial jobs etc.  



Who won?






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Re: [AFMUG] Oneweb is apparently bankrupt

[Matt Hoppes]

Ooops

> On Mar 29, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> And another one bites the dust.
> 
> https://www.wired.com/story/spacex-competitor-oneweb-is-reportedly-bankrupt/
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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[can...@believewireless.net]

I don't think there has been a good predictor found of wealth or success.
(GPA, college degree, MBA, etc.)
But you can see people in your field that you would say, I'd hire them in a
second. They may have been high
school/college dropouts, low GPA, no sports ability, etc. If you had looked
over their resume early in their
career, you may have passed them over.

And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs
that went no where.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 3:08 PM  wrote:

> I have known some sales engineers and field application engineers that
> have done very very well.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:32 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
>
>
> One of my roommates in college was also an engineering student, but not a
> very good student.  Later he attributed his success in life to his poor
> GPA.  He couldn’t land a regular engineering design job (didn’t help there
> was a recession on), so he settled for a job as an applications engineer or
> sales engineer.  Within a few years he had his own company.  Probably the
> most successful of any in our group.
>
>
>
> https://www.linkedin.com/in/wmtjones
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:58 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
>
>
>
> In gym class I was never an early draft.  Usually near the last.
>
> I did play on local soccer and football leagues, but never stood out.  I
> did it because everyone else did it, and the parents said I had to do
> something extracurricular.  This is a bit of an embarrassing story, but
> when I joined the local Pop Warner football team I didn't know any of the
> rules to football.  Soccer was simple to muddle through --kick towards the
> other goal, don't use hands.  Football has a lot of rules.  The coaches
> never explained how to actually play and I never asked.  I just sort of
> tried to emulate the kids around me to get through the games.  I never
> figured out what a "down" was until I was in high school.
>
> I haven't stayed in touch with any of the school athletes so I couldn't
> say how they're doing in life.
>
>
>
> On 3/29/2020 1:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering:
>
>
>
> Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were
> assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front
> were you picked?
>
>
>
> I was frequently next to last.  Better than being last.
>
> The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives.  Multiple
> spouses, menial jobs etc.
>
>
>
> Who won?
>
>
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[Bill Prince]

And another one bites the dust.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[chuck]

I have known some sales engineers and field application engineers that have 
done very very well.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:32 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

One of my roommates in college was also an engineering student, but not a very 
good student.  Later he attributed his success in life to his poor GPA.  He 
couldn’t land a regular engineering design job (didn’t help there was a 
recession on), so he settled for a job as an applications engineer or sales 
engineer.  Within a few years he had his own company.  Probably the most 
successful of any in our group.

 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/wmtjones

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:58 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

 

In gym class I was never an early draft.  Usually near the last.

I did play on local soccer and football leagues, but never stood out.  I did it 
because everyone else did it, and the parents said I had to do something 
extracurricular.  This is a bit of an embarrassing story, but when I joined the 
local Pop Warner football team I didn't know any of the rules to football.  
Soccer was simple to muddle through --kick towards the other goal, don't use 
hands.  Football has a lot of rules.  The coaches never explained how to 
actually play and I never asked.  I just sort of tried to emulate the kids 
around me to get through the games.  I never figured out what a "down" was 
until I was in high school.  

I haven't stayed in touch with any of the school athletes so I couldn't say how 
they're doing in life. 

 

On 3/29/2020 1:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering:

   

  Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were assigned 
the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front were you picked?

   

  I was frequently next to last.  Better than being last.  

  The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives.  Multiple 
spouses, menial jobs etc.  

   

  Who won?








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Re: [AFMUG] Next December

[David Coudron]

I wonder what viruses will be brought back from Mars.Globalization brings 
its own set up problems, travel to and from other planets could also bring some 
new challenges to us that are bigger than this virus.  Everyone would need to 
go through an Austin Powers level de-contamination process before they can come 
back into society 😊

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:41 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

I actually saw a prediction that with lower birthrate and blocking immigration, 
this country is headed for the population actually shrinking for probably the 
first time ever.  And I think that prediction was before the virus hit.  I 
think the 2008 recession caused lower rate of family formation, home ownership, 
and yes procreation.

If I were at the age where you decide to “start a family”, I’m not sure I’d 
decide to bring someone into the world right now.  Wait and see what life post 
apocalypse looks like.  I wouldn’t be surprised if some people were freezing 
eggs and stuff.  Or signing up with SpaceX for that Mars colony.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

I was trying to be funny.   I should know by now I am not that good at it 😊

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:36 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

I would suspect the opposite would happen.

Or are you assuming that exam gloves aren’t the only protection in short supply?


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

That would mean couples aren’t practicing good social distancing habits in 
their homes.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:18 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Next December

Corona Boomers.
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Re: [AFMUG] Next December

[Ken Hohhof]

I actually saw a prediction that with lower birthrate and blocking immigration, 
this country is headed for the population actually shrinking for probably the 
first time ever.  And I think that prediction was before the virus hit.  I 
think the 2008 recession caused lower rate of family formation, home ownership, 
and yes procreation.

 

If I were at the age where you decide to “start a family”, I’m not sure I’d 
decide to bring someone into the world right now.  Wait and see what life post 
apocalypse looks like.  I wouldn’t be surprised if some people were freezing 
eggs and stuff.  Or signing up with SpaceX for that Mars colony.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

 

I was trying to be funny.   I should know by now I am not that good at it 😊

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:36 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

 

I would suspect the opposite would happen.

 

Or are you assuming that exam gloves aren’t the only protection in short supply?

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

 

That would mean couples aren’t practicing good social distancing habits in 
their homes.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:18 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] Next December

 

Corona Boomers.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Ken Hohhof]

One of my roommates in college was also an engineering student, but not a
very good student.  Later he attributed his success in life to his poor GPA.
He couldn't land a regular engineering design job (didn't help there was a
recession on), so he settled for a job as an applications engineer or sales
engineer.  Within a few years he had his own company.  Probably the most
successful of any in our group.

 

https://www.linkedin.com/in/wmtjones

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:58 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

 

In gym class I was never an early draft.  Usually near the last.

I did play on local soccer and football leagues, but never stood out.  I did
it because everyone else did it, and the parents said I had to do something
extracurricular.  This is a bit of an embarrassing story, but when I joined
the local Pop Warner football team I didn't know any of the rules to
football.  Soccer was simple to muddle through --kick towards the other
goal, don't use hands.  Football has a lot of rules.  The coaches never
explained how to actually play and I never asked.  I just sort of tried to
emulate the kids around me to get through the games.  I never figured out
what a "down" was until I was in high school.  

I haven't stayed in touch with any of the school athletes so I couldn't say
how they're doing in life. 

 

On 3/29/2020 1:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering:

 

Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were assigned
the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front were you
picked?

 

I was frequently next to last.  Better than being last.  

The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives.  Multiple
spouses, menial jobs etc.  

 

Who won?





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Re: [AFMUG] Next December

[David Coudron]

I was trying to be funny.   I should know by now I am not that good at it 😊

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:36 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

I would suspect the opposite would happen.

Or are you assuming that exam gloves aren’t the only protection in short supply?


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

That would mean couples aren’t practicing good social distancing habits in 
their homes.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:18 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Next December

Corona Boomers.
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Re: [AFMUG] Next December

[David Coudron]

Perfect.   I like it.  And if they chose to live in the same neighborhoods 
they’ll be Covidians.

Not sure my tongue in cheek comment came through in my earlier response.   I 
was trying Steve’s stork predicament with Chuck’s line of thinking….. 😊

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December


No. The people born 9 months from now will be the Coronial Generation, or 
Coronials. In 11 years, they will be the Quaranteens.



bp




On 3/29/2020 10:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Corona Boomers.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Adam Moffett]

In gym class I was never an early draft.  Usually near the last.

I did play on local soccer and football leagues, but never stood out.  I 
did it because everyone else did it, and the parents said I had to do 
something extracurricular.  This is a bit of an embarrassing story, but 
when I joined the local Pop Warner football team I didn't know any of 
the rules to football.  Soccer was simple to muddle through --kick 
towards the other goal, don't use hands.  Football has a lot of rules.  
The coaches never explained how to actually play and I never asked.  I 
just sort of tried to emulate the kids around me to get through the 
games.  I never figured out what a "down" was until I was in high school.


I haven't stayed in touch with any of the school athletes so I couldn't 
say how they're doing in life.



On 3/29/2020 1:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering:
Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were 
assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near the 
front were you picked?

I was frequently next to last.  Better than being last.
The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives.  Multiple 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Ken Hohhof]

Debbie Downer, is that you?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of justsumname .
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

 

I came from a family background of various starvationings.  Now the democrat 
party calls me a domestic terrorist but they still want my money and they don't 
care about my life.

Nobody ever picked me except to do their school work for them.

 

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On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:08 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering:

 

Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were assigned 
the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front were you picked?

 

I was frequently next to last.  Better than being last.  

The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives.  Multiple spouses, 
menial jobs etc.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Darin Steffl]

I think people who like attention and try to impress people, live the most
miserable lives. Those with the most true success typically avoid the
limelight and attention because they're too busy succeeding and changing
the world.

So the jocks or whoever you're referencing peak in highschool. After
graduating, they don't get too far as they don't rule the kingdom of
anymore once they reach the adult world.

Of course this is a stereotype not everyone fits but I'd say there's a 50%
chance it holds true.

I was picked in the last half for dodgeball mostly because I can't throw
the ball hard or accurately. I never got bullied and our school was small
enough everyone knew everyone. One thing I did notice is about 5 of the top
10 smartest people GPA wise aren't doing anything with their life yet at 28
years old. One is working at target as a stocker, another works as a hotel
desk clerk, another is a tutor and part time piano teacher. These were
people with 3.99 or 4.0 GPA's and they went to a 4 year college. I think
some people get into such a routine in K-12 that they don't know what to do
without structure after they graduate. And the cliques are gone too so they
don't have friends building up their confidence.



On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 12:29 PM justsumname .  wrote:

> I came from a family background of various starvationings.  Now the
> democrat party calls me a domestic terrorist but they still want my money
> and they don't care about my life.
> Nobody ever picked me except to do their school work for them.
>
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>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:08 PM  wrote:
>
>> Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering:
>>
>> Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were
>> assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front
>> were you picked?
>>
>> I was frequently next to last.  Better than being last.
>> The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives.  Multiple
>> spouses, menial jobs etc.
>>
>> Who won?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[Chuck McCown]

I did do homework and science projects for troglodytes for money.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2020, at 11:29 AM, justsumname .  wrote:
> 
> 
> I came from a family background of various starvationings.  Now the democrat 
> party calls me a domestic terrorist but they still want my money and they 
> don't care about my life.
> Nobody ever picked me except to do their school work for them.
> 
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> 
>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:08 PM  wrote:
>> Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering:
>>  
>> Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were assigned 
>> the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front were you 
>> picked?
>>  
>> I was frequently next to last.  Better than being last. 
>> The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives.  Multiple 
>> spouses, menial jobs etc. 
>>  
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Re: [AFMUG] Next December

[Bill Prince]

  
  
No. The people born 9 months from now will be the Coronial
  Generation, or Coronials. In 11 years, they will be the
  Quaranteens.


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  Corona Boomers.

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] Next December

[Ken Hohhof]

I would suspect the opposite would happen.

 

Or are you assuming that exam gloves aren't the only protection in short
supply?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Next December

 

That would mean couples aren't practicing good social distancing habits in
their homes.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

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Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query

[justsumname .]

I came from a family background of various starvationings.  Now the
democrat party calls me a domestic terrorist but they still want my money
and they don't care about my life.
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> Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering:
>
> Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were
> assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front
> were you picked?
>
> I was frequently next to last.  Better than being last.
> The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives.  Multiple
> spouses, menial jobs etc.
>
> Who won?
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Re: [AFMUG] Next December

[Bill Prince]

  
  
If you are living with someone, the distance rules do not apply.
  You are in it together.


bp



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  wrote:


  
  
  
  
That would mean couples aren’t practicing
  good social distancing habits in their homes.
 
Regards,
 
David Coudron

  
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Re: [AFMUG] Next December

[David Coudron]

That would mean couples aren't practicing good social distancing habits in 
their homes.

Regards,

David Coudron
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[AFMUG] OT an honest query

[chuck]

Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering:

Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were assigned 
the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front were you picked?

I was frequently next to last.  Better than being last.  
The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives.  Multiple spouses, 
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

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In my experience running at a fraction of the load to obtain longer runtime
does work well with at least the Smart-UPS units; UPSes / inverters will be
less efficient at the lower load, but at the same time batteries are more
efficient at a lower discharge rate.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 11:14 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> The only new thing I’ve seen is I think there are some UPS models now
> using Li-ion batteries, but still like Colin says, almost no UPS is
> designed for long runtime without external battery packs.  Even buying a
> higher power unit and running it at a fraction of rated load doesn’t help
> much because they are inefficient at low load.
>
>
>
> I forget who was selling the Li-ion units.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:50 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
>
>
>
> Hard to go wrong with a Generac.  They really are not that expensive.
>
>
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 9:48 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
>
>
>
> Most consumer UPSes only come with enough battery to power their full load
> for 5-10min so to power a 250W-using desktop and monitor for 30min I think
> that you'd need the amount of batteries (2x 12V 12AH) usually seen in
> 1000-1500VA UPS models.
>
>
>
> There's not much "better" with non-network UPSes as the service provided
> and reliability has not changed noticeably in over 20 years.
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 10:35 AM can...@believewireless.net, <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
> Looking to power a desktop for ~30 minutes. I have both the old APC
> Back-UPS and Tripp Lite SU750XL but was curious if
>
> there were any new options available that might be better.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 10:52 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> Yes, Depends on what your load is.  At home I'm using a SmartUPS3000 with
> 120AH batteries.  It runs everything in my home office, plus the
> waterheater/furnace (heat only).  It's on a transfer switch to plug the
> portable generator into it for an extended outage.  Luckily I'm on all
> underground utilities, knock on wood, have had 1 power outage in the 15
> years we've lived here.
>
> On 3/29/2020 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> What are you going to run off it, and what run time do you need?  It
> matters if you are running electronics or a sump pump, and if you just want
> enough time to save your work or if you want to keep working for a couple
> hours.  Also most people have battery operated laptops and tablets now
> which changes the UPS strategy.
>
>
>
> Another factor is if it’s in a location where fan noise would be
> bothersome.  I’ve had good luck with Tripp Lite SU750XL, it is dual
> conversion, replaceable battery, and Powerpole connector for external
> extended runtime battery.  But the fan runs all the time and it would
> probably drive you crazy in a bedroom or home office.  And if your
> electronics aren’t fussy about the quality of the input power, dual
> conversion is probably an expensive overkill.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:43 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
>
>
>
> We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time without
> issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often work fine
> with a new battery; they don't have a calibration command so it's good to
> put a light load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty once or twice so
> that they recalibrate themselves to the new battery.
>
>
>
> Some new Back-UPS models don't have the replaceable batteries.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 7:10 AM can...@believewireless.net <
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>
> What is a good UPS to use at home?
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

[Ken Hohhof]

The only new thing I’ve seen is I think there are some UPS models now using 
Li-ion batteries, but still like Colin says, almost no UPS is designed for long 
runtime without external battery packs.  Even buying a higher power unit and 
running it at a fraction of rated load doesn’t help much because they are 
inefficient at low load.

 

I forget who was selling the Li-ion units.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

 

Hard to go wrong with a Generac.  They really are not that expensive.

 

From: Colin Stanners 

Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 9:48 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

 

Most consumer UPSes only come with enough battery to power their full load for 
5-10min so to power a 250W-using desktop and monitor for 30min I think that 
you'd need the amount of batteries (2x 12V 12AH) usually seen in 1000-1500VA 
UPS models.

 

There's not much "better" with non-network UPSes as the service provided and 
reliability has not changed noticeably in over 20 years.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 10:35 AM can...@believewireless.net 
 , mailto:p...@believewireless.net> > wrote:

Looking to power a desktop for ~30 minutes. I have both the old APC Back-UPS 
and Tripp Lite SU750XL but was curious if

there were any new options available that might be better.

 

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 10:52 AM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

Yes, Depends on what your load is.  At home I'm using a SmartUPS3000 with 120AH 
batteries.  It runs everything in my home office, plus the waterheater/furnace 
(heat only).  It's on a transfer switch to plug the portable generator into it 
for an extended outage.  Luckily I'm on all underground utilities, knock on 
wood, have had 1 power outage in the 15 years we've lived here.

On 3/29/2020 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What are you going to run off it, and what run time do you need?  It matters if 
you are running electronics or a sump pump, and if you just want enough time to 
save your work or if you want to keep working for a couple hours.  Also most 
people have battery operated laptops and tablets now which changes the UPS 
strategy.

 

Another factor is if it’s in a location where fan noise would be bothersome.  
I’ve had good luck with Tripp Lite SU750XL, it is dual conversion, replaceable 
battery, and Powerpole connector for external extended runtime battery.  But 
the fan runs all the time and it would probably drive you crazy in a bedroom or 
home office.  And if your electronics aren’t fussy about the quality of the 
input power, dual conversion is probably an expensive overkill.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

 

We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time without 
issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often work fine with a 
new battery; they don't have a calibration command so it's good to put a light 
load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty once or twice so that they 
recalibrate themselves to the new battery.

 

Some new Back-UPS models don't have the replaceable batteries.

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

[chuck]

Hard to go wrong with a Generac.  They really are not that expensive.

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 9:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

Most consumer UPSes only come with enough battery to power their full load for 
5-10min so to power a 250W-using desktop and monitor for 30min I think that 
you'd need the amount of batteries (2x 12V 12AH) usually seen in 1000-1500VA 
UPS models.

There's not much "better" with non-network UPSes as the service provided and 
reliability has not changed noticeably in over 20 years.


On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 10:35 AM can...@believewireless.net, 
 wrote:

  Looking to power a desktop for ~30 minutes. I have both the old APC Back-UPS 
and Tripp Lite SU750XL but was curious if
  there were any new options available that might be better.

  On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 10:52 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

Yes, Depends on what your load is.  At home I'm using a SmartUPS3000 with 
120AH batteries.  It runs everything in my home office, plus the 
waterheater/furnace (heat only).  It's on a transfer switch to plug the 
portable generator into it for an extended outage.  Luckily I'm on all 
underground utilities, knock on wood, have had 1 power outage in the 15 years 
we've lived here.


On 3/29/2020 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  What are you going to run off it, and what run time do you need?  It 
matters if you are running electronics or a sump pump, and if you just want 
enough time to save your work or if you want to keep working for a couple 
hours.  Also most people have battery operated laptops and tablets now which 
changes the UPS strategy.



  Another factor is if it’s in a location where fan noise would be 
bothersome.  I’ve had good luck with Tripp Lite SU750XL, it is dual conversion, 
replaceable battery, and Powerpole connector for external extended runtime 
battery.  But the fan runs all the time and it would probably drive you crazy 
in a bedroom or home office.  And if your electronics aren’t fussy about the 
quality of the input power, dual conversion is probably an expensive overkill.





  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
  Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:43 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS



  We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time 
without issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often work fine 
with a new battery; they don't have a calibration command so it's good to put a 
light load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty once or twice so that they 
recalibrate themselves to the new battery.



  Some new Back-UPS models don't have the replaceable batteries.





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Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

[Colin Stanners]

Most consumer UPSes only come with enough battery to power their full load
for 5-10min so to power a 250W-using desktop and monitor for 30min I think
that you'd need the amount of batteries (2x 12V 12AH) usually seen in
1000-1500VA UPS models.

There's not much "better" with non-network UPSes as the service provided
and reliability has not changed noticeably in over 20 years.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 10:35 AM can...@believewireless.net, <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Looking to power a desktop for ~30 minutes. I have both the old APC
> Back-UPS and Tripp Lite SU750XL but was curious if
> there were any new options available that might be better.
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 10:52 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> Yes, Depends on what your load is.  At home I'm using a SmartUPS3000 with
>> 120AH batteries.  It runs everything in my home office, plus the
>> waterheater/furnace (heat only).  It's on a transfer switch to plug the
>> portable generator into it for an extended outage.  Luckily I'm on all
>> underground utilities, knock on wood, have had 1 power outage in the 15
>> years we've lived here.
>>
>> On 3/29/2020 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> What are you going to run off it, and what run time do you need?  It
>> matters if you are running electronics or a sump pump, and if you just want
>> enough time to save your work or if you want to keep working for a couple
>> hours.  Also most people have battery operated laptops and tablets now
>> which changes the UPS strategy.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another factor is if it’s in a location where fan noise would be
>> bothersome.  I’ve had good luck with Tripp Lite SU750XL, it is dual
>> conversion, replaceable battery, and Powerpole connector for external
>> extended runtime battery.  But the fan runs all the time and it would
>> probably drive you crazy in a bedroom or home office.  And if your
>> electronics aren’t fussy about the quality of the input power, dual
>> conversion is probably an expensive overkill.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:43 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
>>
>>
>>
>> We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time
>> without issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often work
>> fine with a new battery; they don't have a calibration command so it's good
>> to put a light load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty once or twice
>> so that they recalibrate themselves to the new battery.
>>
>>
>>
>> Some new Back-UPS models don't have the replaceable batteries.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 7:10 AM can...@believewireless.net <
>> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>>
>> What is a good UPS to use at home?
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

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Looking to power a desktop for ~30 minutes. I have both the old APC
Back-UPS and Tripp Lite SU750XL but was curious if
there were any new options available that might be better.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 10:52 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Yes, Depends on what your load is.  At home I'm using a SmartUPS3000 with
> 120AH batteries.  It runs everything in my home office, plus the
> waterheater/furnace (heat only).  It's on a transfer switch to plug the
> portable generator into it for an extended outage.  Luckily I'm on all
> underground utilities, knock on wood, have had 1 power outage in the 15
> years we've lived here.
>
> On 3/29/2020 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> What are you going to run off it, and what run time do you need?  It
> matters if you are running electronics or a sump pump, and if you just want
> enough time to save your work or if you want to keep working for a couple
> hours.  Also most people have battery operated laptops and tablets now
> which changes the UPS strategy.
>
>
>
> Another factor is if it’s in a location where fan noise would be
> bothersome.  I’ve had good luck with Tripp Lite SU750XL, it is dual
> conversion, replaceable battery, and Powerpole connector for external
> extended runtime battery.  But the fan runs all the time and it would
> probably drive you crazy in a bedroom or home office.  And if your
> electronics aren’t fussy about the quality of the input power, dual
> conversion is probably an expensive overkill.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:43 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS
>
>
>
> We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time without
> issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often work fine
> with a new battery; they don't have a calibration command so it's good to
> put a light load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty once or twice so
> that they recalibrate themselves to the new battery.
>
>
>
> Some new Back-UPS models don't have the replaceable batteries.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 7:10 AM can...@believewireless.net <
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>
> What is a good UPS to use at home?
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

[Nate Burke]

Yes, Depends on what your load is.  At home I'm using a SmartUPS3000 
with 120AH batteries.  It runs everything in my home office, plus the 
waterheater/furnace (heat only).  It's on a transfer switch to plug the 
portable generator into it for an extended outage.  Luckily I'm on all 
underground utilities, knock on wood, have had 1 power outage in the 15 
years we've lived here.


On 3/29/2020 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


What are you going to run off it, and what run time do you need?  It 
matters if you are running electronics or a sump pump, and if you just 
want enough time to save your work or if you want to keep working for 
a couple hours.  Also most people have battery operated laptops and 
tablets now which changes the UPS strategy.


Another factor is if it’s in a location where fan noise would be 
bothersome.  I’ve had good luck with Tripp Lite SU750XL, it is dual 
conversion, replaceable battery, and Powerpole connector for external 
extended runtime battery.  But the fan runs all the time and it would 
probably drive you crazy in a bedroom or home office.  And if your 
electronics aren’t fussy about the quality of the input power, dual 
conversion is probably an expensive overkill.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:43 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time 
without issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often 
work fine with a new battery; they don't have a calibration command so 
it's good to put a light load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty 
once or twice so that they recalibrate themselves to the new battery.


Some new Back-UPS models don't have the replaceable batteries.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 7:10 AM can...@believewireless.net 
 > wrote:


What is a good UPS to use at home?

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Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

[Ken Hohhof]

What are you going to run off it, and what run time do you need?  It matters if 
you are running electronics or a sump pump, and if you just want enough time to 
save your work or if you want to keep working for a couple hours.  Also most 
people have battery operated laptops and tablets now which changes the UPS 
strategy.

 

Another factor is if it’s in a location where fan noise would be bothersome.  
I’ve had good luck with Tripp Lite SU750XL, it is dual conversion, replaceable 
battery, and Powerpole connector for external extended runtime battery.  But 
the fan runs all the time and it would probably drive you crazy in a bedroom or 
home office.  And if your electronics aren’t fussy about the quality of the 
input power, dual conversion is probably an expensive overkill.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

 

We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time without 
issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often work fine with a 
new battery; they don't have a calibration command so it's good to put a light 
load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty once or twice so that they 
recalibrate themselves to the new battery.

 

Some new Back-UPS models don't have the replaceable batteries.

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Good Home UPS

[Colin Stanners]

We've seen many people use the APC Back-UPS series for a long time without
issues. Older models had replaceable batteries and will often work fine
with a new battery; they don't have a calibration command so it's good to
put a light load (30-50%) and let them run down to empty once or twice so
that they recalibrate themselves to the new battery.

Some new Back-UPS models don't have the replaceable batteries.


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