Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
Josh, Not yet. Just got it in yesterday. working on getting it programmed. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 11:57:42 AM, you wrote: > Is it in place? > On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 11:32 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies > wrote: >> Josh, >> typo - 2116 >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >> Myakka Communications >> www.Myakka.com >> -- >> Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 9:07:35 AM, you wrote: >>> 2016 being the 2116? Or the 2216? >>> Sounds like you didn't install it? Swap it in there and see if it fixes >>> your issue. >>> On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 6:10 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies >>> wrote: >>>> I have the new 2016 in and programmed up. But I'm still dealing with more >>>> immediate issues. >>>> >>>> We are taking a mix of full or partial routes from our providers. The >>>> issue seems to be when one line gets cut, it takes a bit for our old >>>> routers to recalculate the tables. >>>> >>>> Should I just take default routes? That way there is a lot less math >>>> needed when a line goes down. I'm assuming inbound BGP will still be >>>> optimized for shorted path. How will that work for the two IX's we >>>> connect to? Are they smart enough to calculate best path even if the >>>> traffic comes from outside the IX. >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>> Myakka Communications >>>> www.Myakka.com >>>> -- >>>> Thursday, April 20, 2023, 11:37:35 AM, you wrote: >>>>> We did not have to do that. But we did set some values the same/similar >>>>> in the OSPF interfaces. >>>>> Maybe it’s a matter of implementation, but we do not use broadcast on >>>>> interfaces and we do not use md5. >>>>> >>>>> From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones >>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:21 AM >>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question >>>>> >>>>> we had to change our ospf from simple to md5 and from point to point to >>>>> broadcast to get it to play ball between v7 and v6 >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:03 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Josh, >>>>>> >>>>>> I will. I think v7 will be able to handle BGP, OSPF and Filter rules >>>>>> just fine. Learning the new configure of v7 should not be a huge issue. >>>>>> The big thing I'm worried about is the OSPF interaction between the >>>>>> versions. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Myakka Communications >>>>>> www.Myakka.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:52:37 AM, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Let us know how that goes - I was just looking at the 2116 myself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:40 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Mike, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think I'll have to upgrade to v7 and a some 2216 units. Guess it is >>>>>>>> time to try to integrate some v7 units into the v6 network and see >>>>>>>> what happens. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Myakka Communications >>>>>>>> www.Myakka.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:10:32 AM, you wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes
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Is it in place? On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 11:32 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > Josh, > > > typo - 2116 > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com > > > Myakka Communications > > www.Myakka.com > > > -- > > > Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 9:07:35 AM, you wrote: > > > 2016 being the 2116? Or the 2216? > > Sounds like you didn't install it? Swap it in there and see if it fixes > your issue. > > On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 6:10 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < > m...@mailmt.com> wrote: > >> I have the new 2016 in and programmed up. But I'm still dealing with >> more immediate issues. >> >> >> >> We are taking a mix of full or partial routes from our providers. The >> issue seems to be when one line gets cut, it takes a bit for our old >> routers to recalculate the tables. >> >> >> >> Should I just take default routes? That way there is a lot less math >> needed when a line goes down. I'm assuming inbound BGP will still be >> optimized for shorted path. How will that work for the two IX's we connect >> to? Are they smart enough to calculate best path even if the traffic comes >> from outside the IX. >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> >> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com >> >> >> Myakka Communications >> >> www.Myakka.com >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Thursday, April 20, 2023, 11:37:35 AM, you wrote: >> >> >> We did not have to do that. But we did set some values the same/similar >> in the OSPF interfaces. >> >> Maybe it’s a matter of implementation, but we do not use broadcast on >> interfaces and we do not use md5. >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:21 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question >> >> >> >> we had to change our ospf from simple to md5 and from point to point to >> broadcast to get it to play ball between v7 and v6 >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:03 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < >> m...@mailmt.com> wrote: >> >> Josh, >> >> >> >> I will. I think v7 will be able to handle BGP, OSPF and Filter rules >> just fine. Learning the new configure of v7 should not be a huge issue. >> The big thing I'm worried about is the OSPF interaction between the >> versions. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> >> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com >> >> >> >> Myakka Communications >> >> www.Myakka.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:52:37 AM, you wrote: >> >> >> >> Let us know how that goes - I was just looking at the 2116 myself. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:40 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < >> m...@mailmt.com> wrote: >> >> Mike, >> >> >> >> I think I'll have to upgrade to v7 and a some 2216 units. Guess it is >> time to try to integrate some v7 units into the v6 network and see what >> happens. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> >> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >> >> >> >> Myakka Communications >> >> www.Myakka.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:10:32 AM, you wrote: >> >> >> >> Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip route >> print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 minutes for the >> traffic to actually change directions. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> >> *Midwest Internet Exchange* >> >> *The Brothers WISP* >> >> >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> -- >> >> *From: *"Josh Luthman" <*j...@imaginenetworksllc.com*> >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <*af@af.afmug.com*> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 19, 2023 12:25:14 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question >> >> I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been >> a while. >> >
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Josh, typo - 2116 -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, April 26, 2023, 9:07:35 AM, you wrote: > 2016 being the 2116? Or the 2216? > Sounds like you didn't install it? Swap it in there and see if it fixes your > issue. > On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 6:10 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies > wrote: >> I have the new 2016 in and programmed up. But I'm still dealing with more >> immediate issues. >> >> We are taking a mix of full or partial routes from our providers. The issue >> seems to be when one line gets cut, it takes a bit for our old routers to >> recalculate the tables. >> >> Should I just take default routes? That way there is a lot less math >> needed when a line goes down. I'm assuming inbound BGP will still be >> optimized for shorted path. How will that work for the two IX's we connect >> to? Are they smart enough to calculate best path even if the traffic comes >> from outside the IX. >> -- >> Best regards, >> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >> Myakka Communications >> www.Myakka.com >> -- >> Thursday, April 20, 2023, 11:37:35 AM, you wrote: >>> We did not have to do that. But we did set some values the same/similar in >>> the OSPF interfaces. >>> Maybe it’s a matter of implementation, but we do not use broadcast on >>> interfaces and we do not use md5. >>> >>> From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones >>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:21 AM >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question >>> >>> we had to change our ospf from simple to md5 and from point to point to >>> broadcast to get it to play ball between v7 and v6 >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:03 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies >>> wrote: >>>> Josh, >>>> >>>> I will. I think v7 will be able to handle BGP, OSPF and Filter rules just >>>> fine. Learning the new configure of v7 should not be a huge issue. The >>>> big thing I'm worried about is the OSPF interaction between the versions. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>> >>>> Myakka Communications >>>> www.Myakka.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:52:37 AM, you wrote: >>>> >>>>> Let us know how that goes - I was just looking at the 2116 myself. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:40 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Mike, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think I'll have to upgrade to v7 and a some 2216 units. Guess it is >>>>>> time to try to integrate some v7 units into the v6 network and see what >>>>>> happens. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Myakka Communications >>>>>> www.Myakka.com >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:10:32 AM, you wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip >>>>>>> route print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 >>>>>>> minutes for the traffic to actually change directions. >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" >>>>>>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 12:25:14 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question >>>>>>> I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's >>>>>>> been a while. >>>>>>> I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think >>>>>>> it's 10-15 though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myak
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2016 being the 2116? Or the 2216? Sounds like you didn't install it? Swap it in there and see if it fixes your issue. On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 6:10 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > I have the new 2016 in and programmed up. But I'm still dealing with more > immediate issues. > > > > We are taking a mix of full or partial routes from our providers. The > issue seems to be when one line gets cut, it takes a bit for our old > routers to recalculate the tables. > > > > Should I just take default routes? That way there is a lot less math > needed when a line goes down. I'm assuming inbound BGP will still be > optimized for shorted path. How will that work for the two IX's we connect > to? Are they smart enough to calculate best path even if the traffic comes > from outside the IX. > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com > > > Myakka Communications > > www.Myakka.com > > > -- > > > Thursday, April 20, 2023, 11:37:35 AM, you wrote: > > > We did not have to do that. But we did set some values the same/similar in > the OSPF interfaces. > > Maybe it’s a matter of implementation, but we do not use broadcast on > interfaces and we do not use md5. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:21 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question > > > > we had to change our ospf from simple to md5 and from point to point to > broadcast to get it to play ball between v7 and v6 > > > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:03 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < > m...@mailmt.com> wrote: > > Josh, > > > > I will. I think v7 will be able to handle BGP, OSPF and Filter rules just > fine. Learning the new configure of v7 should not be a huge issue. The > big thing I'm worried about is the OSPF interaction between the versions. > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com > > > > Myakka Communications > > www.Myakka.com > > > > -- > > > > Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:52:37 AM, you wrote: > > > > Let us know how that goes - I was just looking at the 2116 myself. > > > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:40 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < > m...@mailmt.com> wrote: > > Mike, > > > > I think I'll have to upgrade to v7 and a some 2216 units. Guess it is > time to try to integrate some v7 units into the v6 network and see what > happens. > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com > > > > Myakka Communications > > www.Myakka.com > > > > -- > > > > Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:10:32 AM, you wrote: > > > > Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip route > print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 minutes for the > traffic to actually change directions. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > *Midwest Internet Exchange* > > *The Brothers WISP* > > > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > -- > > *From: *"Josh Luthman" <*j...@imaginenetworksllc.com*> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <*af@af.afmug.com*> > *Sent: *Wednesday, April 19, 2023 12:25:14 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question > > I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a > while. > > I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's > 10-15 though. > > > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < > *m...@mailmt.com*> wrote: > > Dennis, > > Using mikrotik routers. > > Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 > > One CCR1072 v6.47.9 > > Yes taking full tables. > > Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. > Never established a session. > > Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I > go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ > running v7. > > > -- > Best regards, > Markmailto:*m...@mailmt.com* > > Myakka Communications > *www.Myakka.com* > > -- > > Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: > > DB> Really depends on a lot of things. > > DB> 1.What router are you using? > DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? > DB> 3. Are
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
Before you do less than full routes everywhere, first see what performance is like on the new routers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 4:57:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question I have the new 2016 in and programmed up. But I'm still dealing with more immediate issues. We are taking a mix of full or partial routes from our providers. The issue seems to be when one line gets cut, it takes a bit for our old routers to recalculate the tables. Should I just take default routes? That way there is a lot less math needed when a line goes down. I'm assuming inbound BGP will still be optimized for shorted path. How will that work for the two IX's we connect to? Are they smart enough to calculate best path even if the traffic comes from outside the IX. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Thursday, April 20, 2023, 11:37:35 AM, you wrote: We did not have to do that. But we did set some values the same/similar in the OSPF interfaces. Maybe it’s a matter of implementation, but we do not use broadcast on interfaces and we do not use md5. From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:21 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question we had to change our ospf from simple to md5 and from point to point to broadcast to get it to play ball between v7 and v6 On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:03 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < m...@mailmt.com > wrote: Josh, I will. I think v7 will be able to handle BGP, OSPF and Filter rules just fine. Learning the new configure of v7 should not be a huge issue. The big thing I'm worried about is the OSPF interaction between the versions. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:52:37 AM, you wrote: Let us know how that goes - I was just looking at the 2116 myself. On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:40 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < m...@mailmt.com > wrote: Mike, I think I'll have to upgrade to v7 and a some 2216 units. Guess it is time to try to integrate some v7 units into the v6 network and see what happens. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:10:32 AM, you wrote: Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip route print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 minutes for the traffic to actually change directions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 12:25:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a while. I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's 10-15 though. On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < m...@mailmt.com > wrote: Dennis, Using mikrotik routers. Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 One CCR1072 v6.47.9 Yes taking full tables. Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. Never established a session. Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. -- Best regards, Mark mailto: m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB> Really depends on a lot of things. DB> 1.What router are you using? DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com DB> -Original Message- DB> From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM DB> To: af@af.afmug.com DB> Subje
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I don't think you can take a default route on an IX that will have to remain unchanged On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 3:22 PM Sterling Jacobson wrote: > Not that I know of. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Mark - Myakka > Technologies > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 25, 2023 3:52 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question > > > > Sterling, > > > > Did you have to deal with the BFD / OSPF issues? > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com > > > > Myakka Communications > > www.Myakka.com > > > > -- > > > > Thursday, April 20, 2023, 11:20:07 AM, you wrote: > > > > We have migrated from v6.x to v7.7 and v7.8 now. OSPF seems to work fine > interacting between the two versions, just have to copy over some settings > appropriately is all. > > > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Mark - Myakka > Technologies > *Sent:* Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:03 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question > > > > Josh, > > > > I will. I think v7 will be able to handle BGP, OSPF and Filter rules just > fine. Learning the new configure of v7 should not be a huge issue. The > big thing I'm worried about is the OSPF interaction between the versions. > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com > > > > Myakka Communications > > www.Myakka.com > > > > -- > > > > Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:52:37 AM, you wrote: > > > > Let us know how that goes - I was just looking at the 2116 myself. > > > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:40 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < > m...@mailmt.com> wrote: > > Mike, > > > > I think I'll have to upgrade to v7 and a some 2216 units. Guess it is > time to try to integrate some v7 units into the v6 network and see what > happens. > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com > > > > Myakka Communications > > www.Myakka.com > > > > -- > > > > Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:10:32 AM, you wrote: > > > > Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip route > print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 minutes for the > traffic to actually change directions. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > * -- <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > > > > *From: "Josh Luthman" To: "AnimalFarm > Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 > 12:25:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > > > *I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been > a while. I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't > think it's 10-15 though. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > * <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > *On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies > wrote: <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Dennis, Using mikrotik routers. Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old > v6.47.9 One CCR1072 v6.47.9 Yes taking full tables. Tried BFD while > back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. Never established a > session. Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But > before I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new > CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. -- Best regards, Mark > mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- > Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB> Really depends on a > lot of things. DB> 1.What router are you using? DB> 2. Are you taking full > tables from all of your upstreams? DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB> 4. > What version of RouterOS are you using? DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be > faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long..DB> Dennis Burgess, >
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Not that I know of. From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2023 3:52 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question Sterling, Did you have to deal with the BFD / OSPF issues? -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com<https://www.Myakka.com> -- Thursday, April 20, 2023, 11:20:07 AM, you wrote: We have migrated from v6.x to v7.7 and v7.8 now. OSPF seems to work fine interacting between the two versions, just have to copy over some settings appropriately is all. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:03 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question Josh, I will. I think v7 will be able to handle BGP, OSPF and Filter rules just fine. Learning the new configure of v7 should not be a huge issue. The big thing I'm worried about is the OSPF interaction between the versions. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com<https://www.Myakka.com> -- Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:52:37 AM, you wrote: Let us know how that goes - I was just looking at the 2116 myself. On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:40 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote: Mike, I think I'll have to upgrade to v7 and a some 2216 units. Guess it is time to try to integrate some v7 units into the v6 network and see what happens. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com<https://www.Myakka.com> -- Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:10:32 AM, you wrote: Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip route print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 minutes for the traffic to actually change directions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> From: "Josh Luthman" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 12:25:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a while. I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's 10-15 though.<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> Dennis, Using mikrotik routers. Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 One CCR1072 v6.47.9 Yes taking full tables. Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. Never established a session. Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB> Really depends on a lot of things. DB> 1.What router are you using? DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com DB> -----Original Message- DB> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM DB> To: af@af.afmug.com DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I inv
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Lowering your hold timer to 45s with 15s keep alive is a quick solution to no BFD, I've not had any issues with that. Taking a default route and full tables will keep you up while you reconverge. You can always filter the full table down if you don't want all of it. Make sure you run 7.8+ on software & firmware, that's the latest version that doesn't seem to have the reboot bug. On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 3:09 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > I have the new 2016 in and programmed up. But I'm still dealing with more > immediate issues. > > > > We are taking a mix of full or partial routes from our providers. The > issue seems to be when one line gets cut, it takes a bit for our old > routers to recalculate the tables. > > > > Should I just take default routes? That way there is a lot less math > needed when a line goes down. I'm assuming inbound BGP will still be > optimized for shorted path. How will that work for the two IX's we connect > to? Are they smart enough to calculate best path even if the traffic comes > from outside the IX. > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com > > > Myakka Communications > > www.Myakka.com > > > -- > > > Thursday, April 20, 2023, 11:37:35 AM, you wrote: > > > We did not have to do that. But we did set some values the same/similar in > the OSPF interfaces. > > Maybe it’s a matter of implementation, but we do not use broadcast on > interfaces and we do not use md5. > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:21 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question > > > > we had to change our ospf from simple to md5 and from point to point to > broadcast to get it to play ball between v7 and v6 > > > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:03 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < > m...@mailmt.com> wrote: > > Josh, > > > > I will. I think v7 will be able to handle BGP, OSPF and Filter rules just > fine. Learning the new configure of v7 should not be a huge issue. The > big thing I'm worried about is the OSPF interaction between the versions. > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com > > > > Myakka Communications > > www.Myakka.com > > > > -- > > > > Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:52:37 AM, you wrote: > > > > Let us know how that goes - I was just looking at the 2116 myself. > > > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:40 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < > m...@mailmt.com> wrote: > > Mike, > > > > I think I'll have to upgrade to v7 and a some 2216 units. Guess it is > time to try to integrate some v7 units into the v6 network and see what > happens. > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com > > > > Myakka Communications > > www.Myakka.com > > > > -- > > > > Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:10:32 AM, you wrote: > > > > Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip route > print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 minutes for the > traffic to actually change directions. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > *Midwest Internet Exchange* > > *The Brothers WISP* > > > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > -- > > *From: *"Josh Luthman" <*j...@imaginenetworksllc.com*> > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" <*af@af.afmug.com*> > *Sent: *Wednesday, April 19, 2023 12:25:14 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question > > I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a > while. > > I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's > 10-15 though. > > > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < > *m...@mailmt.com*> wrote: > > Dennis, > > Using mikrotik routers. > > Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 > > One CCR1072 v6.47.9 > > Yes taking full tables. > > Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. > Never established a session. > > Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I > go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ > running v7. > > > -- > Best regards, > Markmailto:*m...@mailmt.com* > > Myakka Communications > *www.Myakka.com* &g
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I have the new 2016 in and programmed up. But I'm still dealing with more immediate issues. We are taking a mix of full or partial routes from our providers. The issue seems to be when one line gets cut, it takes a bit for our old routers to recalculate the tables. Should I just take default routes? That way there is a lot less math needed when a line goes down. I'm assuming inbound BGP will still be optimized for shorted path. How will that work for the two IX's we connect to? Are they smart enough to calculate best path even if the traffic comes from outside the IX. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Thursday, April 20, 2023, 11:37:35 AM, you wrote: > We did not have to do that. But we did set some values the same/similar in > the OSPF interfaces. > Maybe it’s a matter of implementation, but we do not use broadcast on > interfaces and we do not use md5. > > From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:21 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question > > we had to change our ospf from simple to md5 and from point to point to > broadcast to get it to play ball between v7 and v6 > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:03 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies > wrote: >> Josh, >> >> I will. I think v7 will be able to handle BGP, OSPF and Filter rules just >> fine. Learning the new configure of v7 should not be a huge issue. The big >> thing I'm worried about is the OSPF interaction between the versions. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >> >> Myakka Communications >> www.Myakka.com >> >> -- >> >> Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:52:37 AM, you wrote: >> >>> Let us know how that goes - I was just looking at the 2116 myself. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:40 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies >>> wrote: >>>> Mike, >>>> >>>> I think I'll have to upgrade to v7 and a some 2216 units. Guess it is >>>> time to try to integrate some v7 units into the v6 network and see what >>>> happens. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>> >>>> Myakka Communications >>>> www.Myakka.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:10:32 AM, you wrote: >>>> >>>>> Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip route >>>>> print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 minutes for >>>>> the traffic to actually change directions. >>>>> - >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" >>>>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 12:25:14 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question >>>>> I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been >>>>> a while. >>>>> I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's >>>>> 10-15 though. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Dennis, >>>>>> Using mikrotik routers. >>>>>> Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 >>>>>> One CCR1072 v6.47.9 >>>>>> Yes taking full tables. >>>>>> Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. >>>>>> Never established a session. >>>>>> Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before >>>>>> I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new >>>>>> CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>>> Myakka Communications >>>>>> www.Myakka.com >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB>>>>>>> Really depends on a lot of things. DB>>>>>>> 1.What rou
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Sterling, Did you have to deal with the BFD / OSPF issues? -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Thursday, April 20, 2023, 11:20:07 AM, you wrote: > We have migrated from v6.x to v7.7 and v7.8 now. OSPF seems to work fine > interacting between the two versions, just have to copy over some settings > appropriately is all. > > > > From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:03 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question > > Josh, > > I will. I think v7 will be able to handle BGP, OSPF and Filter rules just > fine. Learning the new configure of v7 should not be a huge issue. The big > thing I'm worried about is the OSPF interaction between the versions. > > -- > Best regards, > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com > > Myakka Communications > www.Myakka.com > > -- > > Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:52:37 AM, you wrote: > >> Let us know how that goes - I was just looking at the 2116 myself. >> >> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:40 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies >> wrote: >>> Mike, >>> >>> I think I'll have to upgrade to v7 and a some 2216 units. Guess it is time >>> to try to integrate some v7 units into the v6 network and see what happens. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>> >>> Myakka Communications >>> www.Myakka.com >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:10:32 AM, you wrote: >>> >>>> Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip route >>>> print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 minutes for >>>> the traffic to actually change directions. >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>> The Brothers WISP >>>> From: "Josh Luthman" >>>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 12:25:14 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question >>>> I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a >>>> while. >>>> I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's >>>> 10-15 though. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>> wrote: >>>>> Dennis, >>>>> Using mikrotik routers. >>>>> Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 >>>>> One CCR1072 v6.47.9 >>>>> Yes taking full tables. >>>>> Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. >>>>> Never established a session. >>>>> Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before >>>>> I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new >>>>> CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>> Myakka Communications >>>>> www.Myakka.com >>>>> -- >>>>> Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB>>>>>> Really depends on a lot of things. DB>>>>>> 1.What router are you using? DB>>>>>> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB>>>>>> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB>>>>>> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB>>>>>> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB>>>>>> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer DB>>>>>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified DB>>>>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB>>>>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB>>>>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net DB>>>>>> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net DB>>>>>> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com DB>>>>>> -Original Message- DB>>>>>> From: AF
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
We did not have to do that. But we did set some values the same/similar in the OSPF interfaces. Maybe it’s a matter of implementation, but we do not use broadcast on interfaces and we do not use md5. From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:21 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question we had to change our ospf from simple to md5 and from point to point to broadcast to get it to play ball between v7 and v6 On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:03 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote: Josh, I will. I think v7 will be able to handle BGP, OSPF and Filter rules just fine. Learning the new configure of v7 should not be a huge issue. The big thing I'm worried about is the OSPF interaction between the versions. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com<https://www.Myakka.com> -- Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:52:37 AM, you wrote: Let us know how that goes - I was just looking at the 2116 myself. On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:40 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote: Mike, I think I'll have to upgrade to v7 and a some 2216 units. Guess it is time to try to integrate some v7 units into the v6 network and see what happens. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com<https://www.Myakka.com> -- Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:10:32 AM, you wrote: Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip route print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 minutes for the traffic to actually change directions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> From: "Josh Luthman" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 12:25:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a while. I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's 10-15 though. On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: Dennis, Using mikrotik routers. Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 One CCR1072 v6.47.9 Yes taking full tables. Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. Never established a session. Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB> Really depends on a lot of things. DB> 1.What router are you using? DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com DB> -Original Message- DB> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM DB> To: af@af.afmug.com DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? DB> Thanks, DB> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com DB> Myakka Communications DB> https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5 DB> -- DB> AF mailing list DB> AF@af.afmug.com DB> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af
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OSPF is configured completely differently on v7 than v6 :/ On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 11:03 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > Josh, > > > > I will. I think v7 will be able to handle BGP, OSPF and Filter rules just > fine. Learning the new configure of v7 should not be a huge issue. The > big thing I'm worried about is the OSPF interaction between the versions. > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com > > > Myakka Communications > > www.Myakka.com > > > -- > > > Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:52:37 AM, you wrote: > > > Let us know how that goes - I was just looking at the 2116 myself. > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:40 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < > m...@mailmt.com> wrote: > >> Mike, >> >> >> >> I think I'll have to upgrade to v7 and a some 2216 units. Guess it is >> time to try to integrate some v7 units into the v6 network and see what >> happens. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> >> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com >> >> >> Myakka Communications >> >> www.Myakka.com >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:10:32 AM, you wrote: >> >> >> Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip route >> print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 minutes for the >> traffic to actually change directions. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Josh Luthman" >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 19, 2023 12:25:14 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question >> >> I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been >> a while. >> >> I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's >> 10-15 though. >> >> On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < >> m...@mailmt.com> wrote: >> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> Using mikrotik routers. >>> >>> Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 >>> >>> One CCR1072 v6.47.9 >>> >>> Yes taking full tables. >>> >>> Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. >>> Never established a session. >>> >>> Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before >>> I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new >>> CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com >>> >>> Myakka Communications >>> www.Myakka.com >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: >>> >>> DB> Really depends on a lot of things. >>> >>> DB> 1.What router are you using? >>> DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? >>> DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? >>> DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? >>> >>> DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time >>> is kinda long.. >>> >>> >>> DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium >>> ePMP Certified >>> DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" >>> DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net >>> DB> Cr
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
we had to change our ospf from simple to md5 and from point to point to broadcast to get it to play ball between v7 and v6 On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:03 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > Josh, > > > > I will. I think v7 will be able to handle BGP, OSPF and Filter rules just > fine. Learning the new configure of v7 should not be a huge issue. The > big thing I'm worried about is the OSPF interaction between the versions. > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com > > > Myakka Communications > > www.Myakka.com > > > -- > > > Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:52:37 AM, you wrote: > > > Let us know how that goes - I was just looking at the 2116 myself. > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:40 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < > m...@mailmt.com> wrote: > >> Mike, >> >> >> >> I think I'll have to upgrade to v7 and a some 2216 units. Guess it is >> time to try to integrate some v7 units into the v6 network and see what >> happens. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> >> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com >> >> >> Myakka Communications >> >> www.Myakka.com >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:10:32 AM, you wrote: >> >> >> Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip route >> print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 minutes for the >> traffic to actually change directions. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> -- >> *From: *"Josh Luthman" >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 19, 2023 12:25:14 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question >> >> I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been >> a while. >> >> I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's >> 10-15 though. >> >> On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < >> m...@mailmt.com> wrote: >> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> Using mikrotik routers. >>> >>> Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 >>> >>> One CCR1072 v6.47.9 >>> >>> Yes taking full tables. >>> >>> Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. >>> Never established a session. >>> >>> Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before >>> I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new >>> CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com >>> >>> Myakka Communications >>> www.Myakka.com >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: >>> >>> DB> Really depends on a lot of things. >>> >>> DB> 1.What router are you using? >>> DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? >>> DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? >>> DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? >>> >>> DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time >>> is kinda long.. >>> >>> >>> DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium >>> ePMP Certified >>> DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" >>> DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> DB> Need to Automate Mik
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
We have migrated from v6.x to v7.7 and v7.8 now. OSPF seems to work fine interacting between the two versions, just have to copy over some settings appropriately is all. From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 9:03 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question Josh, I will. I think v7 will be able to handle BGP, OSPF and Filter rules just fine. Learning the new configure of v7 should not be a huge issue. The big thing I'm worried about is the OSPF interaction between the versions. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com<https://www.Myakka.com> -- Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:52:37 AM, you wrote: Let us know how that goes - I was just looking at the 2116 myself. On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:40 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote: Mike, I think I'll have to upgrade to v7 and a some 2216 units. Guess it is time to try to integrate some v7 units into the v6 network and see what happens. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com<https://www.Myakka.com> -- Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:10:32 AM, you wrote: Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip route print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 minutes for the traffic to actually change directions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> From: "Josh Luthman" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 12:25:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a while. I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's 10-15 though. On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: Dennis, Using mikrotik routers. Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 One CCR1072 v6.47.9 Yes taking full tables. Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. Never established a session. Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB> Really depends on a lot of things. DB> 1.What router are you using? DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com DB> -Original Message- DB> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM DB> To: af@af.afmug.com DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? DB> Thanks, DB> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com DB> Myakka Communications DB> https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5 DB> -- DB> AF mailing list DB> AF@af.afmug.com DB> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
Josh, I will. I think v7 will be able to handle BGP, OSPF and Filter rules just fine. Learning the new configure of v7 should not be a huge issue. The big thing I'm worried about is the OSPF interaction between the versions. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:52:37 AM, you wrote: > Let us know how that goes - I was just looking at the 2116 myself. > On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:40 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies > wrote: >> Mike, >> >> I think I'll have to upgrade to v7 and a some 2216 units. Guess it is time >> to try to integrate some v7 units into the v6 network and see what happens. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >> Myakka Communications >> www.Myakka.com >> -- >> Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:10:32 AM, you wrote: >>> Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip route >>> print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 minutes for the >>> traffic to actually change directions. >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> The Brothers WISP >>> From: "Josh Luthman" >>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 12:25:14 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question >>> I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a >>> while. >>> I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's >>> 10-15 though. >>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies >>> wrote: >>>> Dennis, >>>> Using mikrotik routers. >>>> Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 >>>> One CCR1072 v6.47.9 >>>> Yes taking full tables. >>>> Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. >>>> Never established a session. >>>> Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I >>>> go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new >>>> CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>> Myakka Communications >>>> www.Myakka.com >>>> -- >>>> Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB>>>>> Really depends on a lot of things. DB>>>>> 1.What router are you using? DB>>>>> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB>>>>> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB>>>>> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB>>>>> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB>>>>> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer DB>>>>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified DB>>>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB>>>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB>>>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net DB>>>>> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net DB>>>>> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com DB>>>>> -Original Message- DB>>>>> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies DB>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM DB>>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com DB>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question DB>>>>> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. DB>>>>> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? DB>>>>> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? DB>>>>> Thanks, DB>>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com DB>>>>> Myakka Communications DB>>>>> https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5 DB>>>>> -- DB>>>>> AF mailing list DB>>>>> AF@af.afmug.com DB>>>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Let us know how that goes - I was just looking at the 2116 myself. On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 10:40 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > Mike, > > > > I think I'll have to upgrade to v7 and a some 2216 units. Guess it is > time to try to integrate some v7 units into the v6 network and see what > happens. > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com > > > Myakka Communications > > www.Myakka.com > > > -- > > > Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:10:32 AM, you wrote: > > > Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip route > print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 minutes for the > traffic to actually change directions. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Josh Luthman" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Wednesday, April 19, 2023 12:25:14 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question > > I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a > while. > > I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's > 10-15 though. > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < > m...@mailmt.com> wrote: > >> Dennis, >> >> Using mikrotik routers. >> >> Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 >> >> One CCR1072 v6.47.9 >> >> Yes taking full tables. >> >> Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. >> Never established a session. >> >> Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before >> I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new >> CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com >> >> Myakka Communications >> www.Myakka.com >> >> -- >> >> Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: >> >> DB> Really depends on a lot of things. >> >> DB> 1.What router are you using? >> DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? >> DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? >> DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? >> >> DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is >> kinda long.. >> >> >> DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium >> ePMP Certified >> DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" >> DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net >> DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com >> >> DB> -Original Message- >> DB> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka >> Technologies >> DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM >> DB> To: af@af.afmug.com >> DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question >> >> DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different >> providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and >> traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. >> >> DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet >> while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up >> the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? >> Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is >> 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? >> >> DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best >> conditions? >> >> DB> Thanks, >> DB> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >> >> DB> Myakka Communications >> DB> >> https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5 >> >> >> DB> -- >> DB> AF mailing list >> DB> AF@af.afmug.com >> DB> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Mike, I think I'll have to upgrade to v7 and a some 2216 units. Guess it is time to try to integrate some v7 units into the v6 network and see what happens. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Thursday, April 20, 2023, 10:10:32 AM, you wrote: > Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip route > print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 minutes for the > traffic to actually change directions. > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > Midwest Internet Exchange > The Brothers WISP > From: "Josh Luthman" > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 12:25:14 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question > I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a > while. > I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's > 10-15 though. > On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies > wrote: >> Dennis, >> Using mikrotik routers. >> Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 >> One CCR1072 v6.47.9 >> Yes taking full tables. >> Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. >> Never established a session. >> Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I >> go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ >> running v7. >> -- >> Best regards, >> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >> Myakka Communications >> www.Myakka.com >> -- >> Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB>>> Really depends on a lot of things. DB>>> 1.What router are you using? DB>>> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB>>> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB>>> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB>>> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB>>> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer DB>>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified DB>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net DB>>> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net DB>>> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com DB>>> -Original Message- DB>>> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies DB>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM DB>>> To: af@af.afmug.com DB>>> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question DB>>> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. DB>>> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? DB>>> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? DB>>> Thanks, DB>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com DB>>> Myakka Communications DB>>> https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5 DB>>> -- DB>>> AF mailing list DB>>> AF@af.afmug.com DB>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
Yes, if your upstream's routers are overloaded, you'll still be blackholed until they can process the change, no matter how fast you change. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Trey Scarborough" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 4:55:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question You can prevent this by having a backup default route. The other thing is if you are n a physical interface or aggregated interface with a vlan on your upstream's router. If its physical it should stop routing traffic when it sees the interface down. If not it may keep trying to send traffic down that interface. BFD can help with this. It will Also depend on how your provider handles the traffic when the the session with you terminates. If it will forward it on to your other providers or not. If your alternate providers are connected closely to you it shouldn't take to long, but it can take 10-20min for the loss of the peer to propagate across all global routing tables. On 4/19/23 9:47 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers > on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will > start flowing though the surviving circuit. > > However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while > this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the > process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new > faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold > is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? > > How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? > > Thanks, > Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com > > Myakka Communications > www.Myakka.com > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
Years ago on ROX v6 on a 1036, it would take 5 - 10 minutes for /ip route print to reflect an upstream change and then another 5 - 10 minutes for the traffic to actually change directions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 12:25:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a while. I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's 10-15 though. On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < m...@mailmt.com > wrote: Dennis, Using mikrotik routers. Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 One CCR1072 v6.47.9 Yes taking full tables. Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. Never established a session. Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. -- Best regards, Mark mailto: m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB> Really depends on a lot of things. DB> 1.What router are you using? DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com DB> -Original Message- DB> From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM DB> To: af@af.afmug.com DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? DB> Thanks, DB> Mark mailto: m...@mailmt.com DB> Myakka Communications DB> https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5 DB> -- DB> AF mailing list DB> AF@af.afmug.com DB> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
A modern x86 CPU and ROS v6 could do a full table in about 30 seconds (or less). On ROS v7, it should be even less. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 10:44:37 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question We have a Juniper MX10008 which is supposed to crunch a full table in about 30 seconds, but that's a half million dollar router. If you're doing it on a general purpose CPU I think 10-15 minutes doesn't sound weird. Something I've been meaning to try in the lab was having a static default route with distance 255. The hope would be traffic falls back to that when we haven't received a better route yet. Maybe I'd have two or three of those default routes with a qualified-next-hop so they're only active if the upstream connection is up. I'd adjust Juniper's protocol preference level so it'll prefer a BGP route if one exists and otherwise use the static default route. The hope would be while I'm waiting 30 seconds to receive routes that traffic still moves anyway. I haven't actually tried this experiment yet, but I think in principal it should work. There might be a Mikrotik equivalent way. -Adam -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 11:19 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question Dennis, Using mikrotik routers. Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 One CCR1072 v6.47.9 Yes taking full tables. Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. Never established a session. Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB> Really depends on a lot of things. DB> 1.What router are you using? DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, DB> MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author DB> of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Need to DB> Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net Create DB> Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com DB> -Original Message- DB> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka DB> Technologies DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM DB> To: af@af.afmug.com DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? DB> Thanks, DB> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com DB> Myakka Communications DB> https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=ww DB> w.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f DB> 437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970 DB> 458d5 DB> -- DB> AF mailing list DB> AF@af.afmug.com DB> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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CCR1xxx are terrible for full table BGP. What you're seeing is what happens. One tiny CPU core is just full for a very long time. What does the CPU load on the Maxxwave look like? Is there a pegged CPU core normally? Is there when you lose (or gain) a peer? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 10:19:21 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question Dennis, Using mikrotik routers. Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 One CCR1072 v6.47.9 Yes taking full tables. Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. Never established a session. Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB> Really depends on a lot of things. DB> 1.What router are you using? DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com DB> -Original Message- DB> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM DB> To: af@af.afmug.com DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? DB> Thanks, DB> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com DB> Myakka Communications DB> https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5 DB> -- DB> AF mailing list DB> AF@af.afmug.com DB> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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If you have a peer that is dropping more than others, weight them so they are the lowest priority to the world. Internally youll have a minor blip but the world is gonna do its own thing. We announce all our prefixes as /24 so we can jack around with them more granularly, so if you have a specific set of customers this is more impactful to you can weight them to the reliable peers, but at the cost of path quality On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 10:04 PM TJ Trout wrote: > It's related to your hold timer and your convergence time. Lower to 14/45s > and it will be much faster. > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2023, 5:31 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies > wrote: > >> Trey, >> >> That is the main question. If it takes the rest of the Internet 10 mins >> to figure out my BGP dropped, does it matter if I spend $ of some super >> fast router that can build the tables in 30s? >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com >> >> Myakka Communications >> www.Myakka.com >> >> -- >> >> Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 5:55:30 PM, you wrote: >> >> TS> You can prevent this by having a backup default route. The other >> thing is if you are n a physical interface or aggregated interface with a >> vlan on your upstream's router. If its physical it should stop routing >> traffic when it sees the interface down. If not it may keep trying to send >> traffic down that interface. BFD can help with this. It will Also depend on >> how your provider handles the traffic when the the session with you >> terminates. If it will forward it on to your other providers or not. If >> your alternate providers are connected closely to you it shouldn't take to >> long, but it can take 10-20min for the loss of the peer to propagate across >> all global routing tables. >> >> TS> On 4/19/23 9:47 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: >> >> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different >> providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and >> traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. >> >> >> >> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet >> while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up >> the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? >> Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is >> 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? >> >> >> >> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best >> conditions? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >> >> >> >> Myakka Communications >> >> www.Myakka.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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It's related to your hold timer and your convergence time. Lower to 14/45s and it will be much faster. On Wed, Apr 19, 2023, 5:31 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > Trey, > > That is the main question. If it takes the rest of the Internet 10 mins > to figure out my BGP dropped, does it matter if I spend $ of some super > fast router that can build the tables in 30s? > > -- > Best regards, > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com > > Myakka Communications > www.Myakka.com > > -- > > Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 5:55:30 PM, you wrote: > > TS> You can prevent this by having a backup default route. The other thing > is if you are n a physical interface or aggregated interface with a vlan on > your upstream's router. If its physical it should stop routing traffic when > it sees the interface down. If not it may keep trying to send traffic down > that interface. BFD can help with this. It will Also depend on how your > provider handles the traffic when the the session with you terminates. If > it will forward it on to your other providers or not. If your alternate > providers are connected closely to you it shouldn't take to long, but it > can take 10-20min for the loss of the peer to propagate across all global > routing tables. > > TS> On 4/19/23 9:47 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > >> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different > providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and > traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. > >> > >> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet > while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up > the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? > Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is > 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? > >> > >> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best > conditions? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com > >> > >> Myakka Communications > >> www.Myakka.com > >> > >> > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Trey, That is the main question. If it takes the rest of the Internet 10 mins to figure out my BGP dropped, does it matter if I spend $ of some super fast router that can build the tables in 30s? -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 5:55:30 PM, you wrote: TS> You can prevent this by having a backup default route. The other thing is if you are n a physical interface or aggregated interface with a vlan on your upstream's router. If its physical it should stop routing traffic when it sees the interface down. If not it may keep trying to send traffic down that interface. BFD can help with this. It will Also depend on how your provider handles the traffic when the the session with you terminates. If it will forward it on to your other providers or not. If your alternate providers are connected closely to you it shouldn't take to long, but it can take 10-20min for the loss of the peer to propagate across all global routing tables. TS> On 4/19/23 9:47 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: >> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different >> providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and >> traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. >> >> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while >> this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the >> process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new >> faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and >> hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? >> >> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? >> >> Thanks, >> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >> >> Myakka Communications >> www.Myakka.com >> >> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
Only took 50 years to become reality.
From: Robert
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 5:45 PM
To: Chuck McCown via AF
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
One of my childhood favorites, because Susan Clark...
Colossus: The Forbin Project
On 4/19/23 3:18 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I remember seeing that at the drive in. Double feature with Andromeda Strain.
“This is the voice of Colossus” AI hooked with an AI in Russia...
From: Robert
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 3:55 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
How about the original Colossus?
On 4/19/23 1:55 PM, James Howard wrote:
well my Atari 2600 can't do it in a year
From: "Chuck McCown via AF" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Sent: 4/19/23 1:06 PM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
My arduino nano can do it in a week.
From: Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 11:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Steven Kenney
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
My raspberry pi does it in under an hour.
On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 1:26 PM Josh Luthman
wrote:
I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been
a while.
I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's
10-15 though.
On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies
wrote:
Dennis,
Using mikrotik routers.
Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9
One CCR1072 v6.47.9
Yes taking full tables.
Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it.
Never established a session.
Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But
before I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new
CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7.
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Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote:
DB> Really depends on a lot of things.
DB> 1.What router are you using?
DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams?
DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ?
DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using?
DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time
is kinda long..
DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium
ePMP Certified
DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition"
DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net
DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com
DB> -Original Message-
DB> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka
Technologies
DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM
DB> To: af@af.afmug.com
DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question
DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different
providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and
traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit.
DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet
while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the
process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new
faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold
is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD?
DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best
conditions?
DB> Thanks,
DB> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com
DB> Myakka Communications
DB>
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One of my childhood favorites, because Susan Clark... Colossus: The Forbin Project On 4/19/23 3:18 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I remember seeing that at the drive in. Double feature with Andromeda Strain. “This is the voice of Colossus” AI hooked with an AI in Russia... *From:* Robert *Sent:* Wednesday, April 19, 2023 3:55 PM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question How about the original Colossus? On 4/19/23 1:55 PM, James Howard wrote: well my Atari 2600 can't do it in a year *From*: "Chuck McCown via AF" mailto:af@af.afmug.com *Sent*: 4/19/23 1:06 PM *To*: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com *Cc*: ch...@go-mtc.com *Subject*: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question My arduino nano can do it in a week. *From:* Steven Kenney via AF *Sent:* Wednesday, April 19, 2023 11:51 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Cc:* Steven Kenney *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question My raspberry pi does it in under an hour. On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 1:26 PM Josh Luthman wrote: I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a while. I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's 10-15 though. On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: Dennis, Using mikrotik routers. Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 One CCR1072 v6.47.9 Yes taking full tables. Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. Never established a session. Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> -- Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB> Really depends on a lot of things. DB> 1.What router are you using? DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com <http://www.towercoverage.com> DB> -Original Message- DB> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM DB> To: af@af.afmug.com DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? DB> Thanks, DB> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com DB> Myakka Communications DB> https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5 <https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5> DB> -- DB> AF mailing list DB> AF@af.afmug.com DB> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com NOTICE OF CONFIDEN
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Lower timers to 15s/45s and see if you can enable BFD, I think this has to be coordinated with the upstreams? maybe someone can confirm On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 3:20 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > I remember seeing that at the drive in. Double feature with Andromeda > Strain. > > “This is the voice of Colossus” AI hooked with an AI in Russia... > > *From:* Robert > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 19, 2023 3:55 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question > > How about the original Colossus? > > On 4/19/23 1:55 PM, James Howard wrote: > > well my Atari 2600 can't do it in a year > > > -- > *From*: "Chuck McCown via AF" mailto:af@af.afmug.com > *Sent*: 4/19/23 1:06 PM > *To*: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com > *Cc*: ch...@go-mtc.com > *Subject*: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question > > My arduino nano can do it in a week. > > > > *From:* Steven Kenney via AF > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 19, 2023 11:51 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Steven Kenney > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question > > My raspberry pi does it in under an hour. > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 1:26 PM Josh Luthman > wrote: > > I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a > while. > > I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's > 10-15 though. > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < > m...@mailmt.com> wrote: > > Dennis, > > Using mikrotik routers. > > Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 > > One CCR1072 v6.47.9 > > Yes taking full tables. > > Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. > Never established a session. > > Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I > go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ > running v7. > > > -- > Best regards, > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com > > Myakka Communications > www.Myakka.com > > -- > > Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: > > DB> Really depends on a lot of things. > > DB> 1.What router are you using? > DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? > DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? > DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? > > DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is > kinda long.. > > > DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP > Certified > DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" > DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net > DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com > > DB> -Original Message- > DB> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka > Technologies > DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM > DB> To: af@af.afmug.com > DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question > > DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different > providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and > traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. > > DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet > while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up > the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? > Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is > 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? > > DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best > conditions? > > DB> Thanks, > DB> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com > > DB> Myakka Communications > DB> > https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5 > > > DB> -- > DB> AF mailing list > DB> AF@af.afmug.com > DB> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication, including any attachments, > is intended only for
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I remember seeing that at the drive in. Double feature with Andromeda Strain. “This is the voice of Colossus” AI hooked with an AI in Russia... From: Robert Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 3:55 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question How about the original Colossus? On 4/19/23 1:55 PM, James Howard wrote: well my Atari 2600 can't do it in a year -- From: "Chuck McCown via AF" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Sent: 4/19/23 1:06 PM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question My arduino nano can do it in a week. From: Steven Kenney via AF Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 11:51 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Steven Kenney Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question My raspberry pi does it in under an hour. On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 1:26 PM Josh Luthman wrote: I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a while. I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's 10-15 though. On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: Dennis, Using mikrotik routers. Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 One CCR1072 v6.47.9 Yes taking full tables. Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. Never established a session. Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB> Really depends on a lot of things. DB> 1.What router are you using? DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com DB> -Original Message- DB> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM DB> To: af@af.afmug.com DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? DB> Thanks, DB> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com DB> Myakka Communications DB> https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5 DB> -- DB> AF mailing list DB> AF@af.afmug.com DB> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) to this email and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or acting on behalf of an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you receive this communication in error or without authorization, please notify the originator immediately and remove it from your system. -
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How about the original Colossus? On 4/19/23 1:55 PM, James Howard wrote: well my Atari 2600 can't do it in a year *From*: "Chuck McCown via AF" *Sent*: 4/19/23 1:06 PM *To*: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" *Cc*: ch...@go-mtc.com *Subject*: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question My arduino nano can do it in a week. *From:* Steven Kenney via AF *Sent:* Wednesday, April 19, 2023 11:51 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Cc:* Steven Kenney *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question My raspberry pi does it in under an hour. On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 1:26 PM Josh Luthman wrote: I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a while. I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's 10-15 though. On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: Dennis, Using mikrotik routers. Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 One CCR1072 v6.47.9 Yes taking full tables. Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. Never established a session. Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> -- Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB> Really depends on a lot of things. DB> 1.What router are you using? DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com <http://www.towercoverage.com> DB> -Original Message- DB> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM DB> To: af@af.afmug.com DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? DB> Thanks, DB> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com DB> Myakka Communications DB> https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5 <https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5> DB> -- DB> AF mailing list DB> AF@af.afmug.com DB> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) to this email and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or acting on behalf of an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is strictly prohibited. If
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
You can prevent this by having a backup default route. The other thing is if you are n a physical interface or aggregated interface with a vlan on your upstream's router. If its physical it should stop routing traffic when it sees the interface down. If not it may keep trying to send traffic down that interface. BFD can help with this. It will Also depend on how your provider handles the traffic when the the session with you terminates. If it will forward it on to your other providers or not. If your alternate providers are connected closely to you it shouldn't take to long, but it can take 10-20min for the loss of the peer to propagate across all global routing tables. On 4/19/23 9:47 AM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? Thanks, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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well my Atari 2600 can't do it in a year From: "Chuck McCown via AF" Sent: 4/19/23 1:06 PM To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question My arduino nano can do it in a week. From: Steven Kenney via AF Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 11:51 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Steven Kenney Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question My raspberry pi does it in under an hour. On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 1:26 PM Josh Luthman wrote: I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a while. I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's 10-15 though. On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: Dennis, Using mikrotik routers. Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 One CCR1072 v6.47.9 Yes taking full tables. Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. Never established a session. Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB> Really depends on a lot of things. DB> 1.What router are you using? DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com DB> -Original Message- DB> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM DB> To: af@af.afmug.com DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? DB> Thanks, DB> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com DB> Myakka Communications DB> https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5 DB> -- DB> AF mailing list DB> AF@af.afmug.com DB> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) to this email and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or acting on behalf of an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you receive this communication in error or without authorization, please notify the originator immediately and remove it from your system. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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My arduino nano can do it in a week.
From: Steven Kenney via AF
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 11:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Steven Kenney
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
My raspberry pi does it in under an hour.
On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 1:26 PM Josh Luthman
wrote:
I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a
while.
I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's
10-15 though.
On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies
wrote:
Dennis,
Using mikrotik routers.
Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9
One CCR1072 v6.47.9
Yes taking full tables.
Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it.
Never established a session.
Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I
go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+
running v7.
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Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote:
DB> Really depends on a lot of things.
DB> 1.What router are you using?
DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams?
DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ?
DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using?
DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is
kinda long..
DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP
Certified
DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition"
DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net
DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com
DB> -Original Message-
DB> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka
Technologies
DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM
DB> To: af@af.afmug.com
DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question
DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different
providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and
traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit.
DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet
while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the
process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new
faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold
is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD?
DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best
conditions?
DB> Thanks,
DB> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com
DB> Myakka Communications
DB>
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Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
My raspberry pi does it in under an hour. On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 1:26 PM Josh Luthman wrote: > I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a > while. > > I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's > 10-15 though. > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies < > m...@mailmt.com> wrote: > >> Dennis, >> >> Using mikrotik routers. >> >> Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 >> >> One CCR1072 v6.47.9 >> >> Yes taking full tables. >> >> Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. >> Never established a session. >> >> Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before >> I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new >> CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com >> >> Myakka Communications >> www.Myakka.com >> >> -- >> >> Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: >> >> DB> Really depends on a lot of things. >> >> DB> 1.What router are you using? >> DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? >> DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? >> DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? >> >> DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is >> kinda long.. >> >> >> DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >> DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium >> ePMP Certified >> DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" >> DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >> DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >> DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net >> DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com >> >> DB> -Original Message- >> DB> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka >> Technologies >> DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM >> DB> To: af@af.afmug.com >> DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question >> >> DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different >> providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and >> traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. >> >> DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet >> while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up >> the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? >> Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is >> 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? >> >> DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best >> conditions? >> >> DB> Thanks, >> DB> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >> >> DB> Myakka Communications >> DB> >> https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5 >> >> >> DB> -- >> DB> AF mailing list >> DB> AF@af.afmug.com >> DB> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication, including any attachments, is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) to this email and is confidential. If you are not an intended recipient or acting on behalf of an intended recipient, any review, disclosure, conversion to hard copy, dissemination, reproduction or other use of any part of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you receive this communication in error or without authorization, please notify the originator immediately and remove it from your system. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
I want to say my old x86 would do full tables in 3 minutes...that's been a while. I think the CCR1009/1036/1072 is a couple of minutes, I don't think it's 10-15 though. On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 11:20 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > Dennis, > > Using mikrotik routers. > > Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 > > One CCR1072 v6.47.9 > > Yes taking full tables. > > Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. > Never established a session. > > Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I > go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ > running v7. > > > -- > Best regards, > Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com > > Myakka Communications > www.Myakka.com > > -- > > Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: > > DB> Really depends on a lot of things. > > DB> 1.What router are you using? > DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? > DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? > DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? > > DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is > kinda long.. > > > DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP > Certified > DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" > DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net > DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com > > DB> -Original Message- > DB> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka > Technologies > DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM > DB> To: af@af.afmug.com > DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question > > DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different > providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and > traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. > > DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet > while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up > the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? > Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is > 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? > > DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best > conditions? > > DB> Thanks, > DB> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com > > DB> Myakka Communications > DB> > https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5 > > > DB> -- > DB> AF mailing list > DB> AF@af.afmug.com > DB> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
We have a Juniper MX10008 which is supposed to crunch a full table in about 30 seconds, but that's a half million dollar router. If you're doing it on a general purpose CPU I think 10-15 minutes doesn't sound weird. Something I've been meaning to try in the lab was having a static default route with distance 255. The hope would be traffic falls back to that when we haven't received a better route yet. Maybe I'd have two or three of those default routes with a qualified-next-hop so they're only active if the upstream connection is up. I'd adjust Juniper's protocol preference level so it'll prefer a BGP route if one exists and otherwise use the static default route. The hope would be while I'm waiting 30 seconds to receive routes that traffic still moves anyway. I haven't actually tried this experiment yet, but I think in principal it should work. There might be a Mikrotik equivalent way. -Adam -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 11:19 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question Dennis, Using mikrotik routers. Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 One CCR1072 v6.47.9 Yes taking full tables. Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. Never established a session. Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB> Really depends on a lot of things. DB> 1.What router are you using? DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, DB> MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author DB> of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Need to DB> Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net Create DB> Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com DB> -Original Message- DB> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka DB> Technologies DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM DB> To: af@af.afmug.com DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? DB> Thanks, DB> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com DB> Myakka Communications DB> https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=ww DB> w.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f DB> 437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970 DB> 458d5 DB> -- DB> AF mailing list DB> AF@af.afmug.com DB> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
Dennis, Using mikrotik routers. Two MaxxWave x86 i5 8 core 10 years old v6.47.9 One CCR1072 v6.47.9 Yes taking full tables. Tried BFD while back. Didn't seem that my upstream was supporting it. Never established a session. Thinking I may need to start looking at new hardware and v7. But before I go that route, what should I expect if I do get 3 brand new CCR2116-12G-4S+ running v7. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- Wednesday, April 19, 2023, 11:08:45 AM, you wrote: DB> Really depends on a lot of things. DB> 1.What router are you using? DB> 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? DB> 3. Are you not using BFD ? DB> 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? DB> V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. DB> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer DB> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified DB> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" DB> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services DB> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net DB> Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net DB> Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com DB> -Original Message- DB> From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies DB> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM DB> To: af@af.afmug.com DB> Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question DB> We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. DB> However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? DB> How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? DB> Thanks, DB> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com DB> Myakka Communications DB> https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5 DB> -- DB> AF mailing list DB> AF@af.afmug.com DB> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
Are you receiving full routes, partial, or default only? -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 10:48 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? Thanks, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
Really depends on a lot of things. 1.What router are you using? 2. Are you taking full tables from all of your upstreams? 3. Are you not using BFD ? 4. What version of RouterOS are you using? V7 will be faster, 2216 will be faster than a 1036, your hold time is kinda long.. Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Need to Automate MikroTik Backups: https://cloud.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage's with www.towercoverage.com -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:48 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? Thanks, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=www.Myakka.com=08E7599C-F9B1-CC05-BF9C-94CA5B14AB1B=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-1a5796e3447e2e1707012b957aa10dd6970458d5 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] BGP Question
What routers are you using? Christopher Tyler Senior Network Engineer Total Highspeed Internet Solutions +1 417-851-1107 ext 9002 ch...@totalhighspeed.net [cid:d5754205-542b-4ad8-9fa2-09231e802d33]<https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/1f29ddb141b647f08b33d9cf03835...@totalhighspeed.net?anonymous=signature> Book time to meet with me<https://outlook.office.com/bookwithme/user/1f29ddb141b647f08b33d9cf03835...@totalhighspeed.net?anonymous=signature> This institution is an equal opportunity provider and employer. Esta institución es un proveedor de servicios con igualdad de oportunidades. From: AF on behalf of Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2023 9:47 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] BGP Question We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? Thanks, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com<http://www.Myakka.com> -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] BGP Question
We have two circuits coming into our NOC. We peer with 3 different providers on each circuit. If a circuit fails, BGP will do it's magic and traffic will start flowing though the surviving circuit. However, we seemed to get about 5 - 10 minutes of unstable Internet while this is happening. Is this normal? If not, what can I do to speed up the process? Is it a function of my routers having to rebuild routes? Will new faster routers help? Is it a function of timers? Keep-Alive is 30s and hold is at 90s. Should I investigate BFD? How fast could I expect to get this fail-over to work under best conditions? Thanks, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Communications www.Myakka.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
