Re: [AFMUG] OT FB videos and reels
Originally confused when almost all of the nuts are left handed threads. Then I started also noticing mirrored text and US traffic driving on the wrong side of the road. I am guessing it has something to do with data ownership or perhaps trying to prevent search and match algorithms. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 8:13 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB videos and reels FB videos are more likely selfie cameras than copyright. Both are certainly prevalent. On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 2:55 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: Probably to reduce automated copyright claims. I notice that a lot of the videos are using non-licensed material and modifying in some way. Left to right flip, zooming, stretching, adding borders, etc. Plus, I've also noticed that a lot of selfie camera video is left mirrored like it is often shown on the live display on the phone. On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, 11:55 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Anyone else notice that most of the video content there are flipped left to right. Bolts are tightened by turning to the left. Americans drive on the left side of the street etc. Most text is mirrored. I wonder why they do that. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB videos and reels
FB videos are more likely selfie cameras than copyright. Both are certainly prevalent. On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 2:55 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > Probably to reduce automated copyright claims. > > I notice that a lot of the videos are using non-licensed material and > modifying in some way. Left to right flip, zooming, stretching, adding > borders, etc. > > Plus, I've also noticed that a lot of selfie camera video is left mirrored > like it is often shown on the live display on the phone. > > On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, 11:55 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > >> Anyone else notice that most of the video content there are flipped left >> to right. Bolts are tightened by turning to the left. Americans drive on >> the left side of the street etc. Most text is mirrored. I wonder why they >> do that. >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB videos and reels
Probably to reduce automated copyright claims. I notice that a lot of the videos are using non-licensed material and modifying in some way. Left to right flip, zooming, stretching, adding borders, etc. Plus, I've also noticed that a lot of selfie camera video is left mirrored like it is often shown on the live display on the phone. On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, 11:55 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Anyone else notice that most of the video content there are flipped left > to right. Bolts are tightened by turning to the left. Americans drive on > the left side of the street etc. Most text is mirrored. I wonder why they > do that. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB videos and reels
Whoever did it is dyslexic. bp On 12/9/2023 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Anyone else notice that most of the video content there are flipped left to right. Bolts are tightened by turning to the left. Americans drive on the left side of the street etc. Most text is mirrored. I wonder why they do that. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] OT FB videos and reels
Anyone else notice that most of the video content there are flipped left to right. Bolts are tightened by turning to the left. Americans drive on the left side of the street etc. Most text is mirrored. I wonder why they do that. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB
Wilkommen On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 1:13 PM Brian Webster wrote: > That’s better J > > > > Thank you, > > Brian Webster > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2022 2:49 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB > > > > I actually speak several languages fluently and understand several more > enough to order food and beer, that said, let me correct what I spoke to > phone will driving and it came out as gibberish... > > "You gentlemen are missing all the weather girl pictures, great Mexican > food shots, SCADA porn, SCADA fiber work , and all kinds of great stuff , > damn commies!!!" > > > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 12:23 PM wrote: > > Jamie, I don’t know if we are having a language barrier issue or if that’s > an inside joke…..but I have no idea what you just said. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2022 1:35 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB > > > > You gentlemen are missing where the girl pictures great Mexican food > skater porn Skeeter fiber work just all kinds of great stuff damn commies > > > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 11:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > > So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see > FB posts... > > Is this for everyone? > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB
>I never used it. >I can tweet about my bowel movements etc. Dodged that bullet... On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > I never used it. I guess it is good for narcissists that like to have a > bunch of folks follow them. I can tweet about my bowel movements etc. > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2022 2:31 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB > > I'm not sure what Twitter really ever was or is. It's a great place for > small messages...like a BB...but that's for the people with more time than > me to experience. > > Why people thought it was free beforehand (don't forget Trump was > explicitly banned - a President of the United States, agree with him or > not, he had that position) is just simply stupidity. Facebook isn't free > speech either. They're platforms with terms of use. > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 4:02 PM Bill Prince wrote: > >> If facebook is a dumpster fire, twitter is about to become a dumpster >> fire on a train going over a broken trestle. >> >> >> >> bp >> >> >> On 4/29/2022 12:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >> I use m.facebook.com (even on desktop) so things actually load. >> >> Facebook feels like an absolute dumpster fire. >> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 3:46 PM James Howard wrote: >> >>> Just a second…. Is FB not football? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *James Howard >>> *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2022 2:43 PM >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB >>> >>> >>> >>> How do they kick field goals if we can’t see the goal posts? >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >>> *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2022 12:35 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB >>> >>> >>> >>> You gentlemen are missing where the girl pictures great Mexican food >>> skater porn Skeeter fiber work just all kinds of great stuff damn commies >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 11:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> >>> So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to >>> see FB posts... >>> >>> Is this for everyone? >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB
I don’t think we’re that bored by the low number of messages here yet….. we don’t need to know about bowel movement statistics. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 3:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB I never used it. I guess it is good for narcissists that like to have a bunch of folks follow them. I can tweet about my bowel movements etc. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 2:31 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB I'm not sure what Twitter really ever was or is. It's a great place for small messages...like a BB...but that's for the people with more time than me to experience. Why people thought it was free beforehand (don't forget Trump was explicitly banned - a President of the United States, agree with him or not, he had that position) is just simply stupidity. Facebook isn't free speech either. They're platforms with terms of use. On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 4:02 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote: If facebook is a dumpster fire, twitter is about to become a dumpster fire on a train going over a broken trestle. bp On 4/29/2022 12:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I use m.facebook.com (even on desktop) so things actually load. Facebook feels like an absolute dumpster fire. On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 3:46 PM James Howard mailto:ja...@litewire.net> > wrote: Just a second…. Is FB not football? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 2:43 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB How do they kick field goals if we can’t see the goal posts? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 12:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB You gentlemen are missing where the girl pictures great Mexican food skater porn Skeeter fiber work just all kinds of great stuff damn commies On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 11:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see FB posts... Is this for everyone? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB
I never used it. I guess it is good for narcissists that like to have a bunch of folks follow them. I can tweet about my bowel movements etc. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 2:31 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB I'm not sure what Twitter really ever was or is. It's a great place for small messages...like a BB...but that's for the people with more time than me to experience. Why people thought it was free beforehand (don't forget Trump was explicitly banned - a President of the United States, agree with him or not, he had that position) is just simply stupidity. Facebook isn't free speech either. They're platforms with terms of use. On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 4:02 PM Bill Prince wrote: If facebook is a dumpster fire, twitter is about to become a dumpster fire on a train going over a broken trestle. bp On 4/29/2022 12:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I use m.facebook.com (even on desktop) so things actually load. Facebook feels like an absolute dumpster fire. On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 3:46 PM James Howard wrote: Just a second…. Is FB not football? From: AF On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 2:43 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB How do they kick field goals if we can’t see the goal posts? From: AF On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 12:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB You gentlemen are missing where the girl pictures great Mexican food skater porn Skeeter fiber work just all kinds of great stuff damn commies On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 11:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see FB posts... Is this for everyone? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB
I'm not sure what Twitter really ever was or is. It's a great place for small messages...like a BB...but that's for the people with more time than me to experience. Why people thought it was free beforehand (don't forget Trump was explicitly banned - a President of the United States, agree with him or not, he had that position) is just simply stupidity. Facebook isn't free speech either. They're platforms with terms of use. On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 4:02 PM Bill Prince wrote: > If facebook is a dumpster fire, twitter is about to become a dumpster fire > on a train going over a broken trestle. > > > bp > > > On 4/29/2022 12:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > I use m.facebook.com (even on desktop) so things actually load. > > Facebook feels like an absolute dumpster fire. > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 3:46 PM James Howard wrote: > >> Just a second…. Is FB not football? >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *James Howard >> *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2022 2:43 PM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB >> >> >> >> How do they kick field goals if we can’t see the goal posts? >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2022 12:35 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB >> >> >> >> You gentlemen are missing where the girl pictures great Mexican food >> skater porn Skeeter fiber work just all kinds of great stuff damn commies >> >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 11:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >> So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see >> FB posts... >> >> Is this for everyone? >> >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB
Twitter is going to become a whole lot of people all yelling fire in crowded buildings to see how many people get trampled... On 4/29/22 1:00 PM, Bill Prince wrote: If facebook is a dumpster fire, twitter is about to become a dumpster fire on a train going over a broken trestle. bp On 4/29/2022 12:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I use m.facebook.com <http://m.facebook.com> (even on desktop) so things actually load. Facebook feels like an absolute dumpster fire. On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 3:46 PM James Howard wrote: Just a second…. Is FB not football? *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *James Howard *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2022 2:43 PM *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB How do they kick field goals if we can’t see the goal posts? *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2022 12:35 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB You gentlemen are missing where the girl pictures great Mexican food skater porn Skeeter fiber work just all kinds of great stuff damn commies On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 11:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see FB posts... Is this for everyone? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB
If facebook is a dumpster fire, twitter is about to become a
dumpster fire on a train going over a broken trestle.
bp
On 4/29/2022 12:53 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:
I use m.facebook.com (even on desktop) so
things actually load.
Facebook feels like an absolute dumpster fire.
On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 3:46
PM James Howard <ja...@litewire.net>
wrote:
Just a second…. Is FB not football?
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 2:43 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB
How do they kick field goals if we
can’t see the goal posts?
From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 12:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB
You gentlemen are missing where the
girl pictures great Mexican food skater porn Skeeter
fiber work just all kinds of great stuff damn commies
On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 11:22 AM
Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com>
wrote:
So, I
discovered this morning that I have to
have my adblocker off to see FB posts...
Is this
for everyone?
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AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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AF@af.afmug.com
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Re: [AFMUG] OT FB
I use m.facebook.com (even on desktop) so things actually load. Facebook feels like an absolute dumpster fire. On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 3:46 PM James Howard wrote: > Just a second…. Is FB not football? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *James Howard > *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2022 2:43 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB > > > > How do they kick field goals if we can’t see the goal posts? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2022 12:35 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB > > > > You gentlemen are missing where the girl pictures great Mexican food > skater porn Skeeter fiber work just all kinds of great stuff damn commies > > > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 11:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > > So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see > FB posts... > > Is this for everyone? > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB
Just a second…. Is FB not football? From: AF On Behalf Of James Howard Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 2:43 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB How do they kick field goals if we can’t see the goal posts? From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 12:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB You gentlemen are missing where the girl pictures great Mexican food skater porn Skeeter fiber work just all kinds of great stuff damn commies On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 11:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see FB posts... Is this for everyone? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB
How do they kick field goals if we can’t see the goal posts? From: AF On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 12:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB You gentlemen are missing where the girl pictures great Mexican food skater porn Skeeter fiber work just all kinds of great stuff damn commies On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 11:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see FB posts... Is this for everyone? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB
I kinda liked the first version. Skater porn. Girls on roller skates? From: Brian Webster Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 1:11 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB That’s better J Thank you, Brian Webster From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 2:49 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB I actually speak several languages fluently and understand several more enough to order food and beer, that said, let me correct what I spoke to phone will driving and it came out as gibberish... "You gentlemen are missing all the weather girl pictures, great Mexican food shots, SCADA porn, SCADA fiber work , and all kinds of great stuff , damn commies!!!" On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 12:23 PM wrote: Jamie, I don’t know if we are having a language barrier issue or if that’s an inside joke…..but I have no idea what you just said. From: AF On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 1:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB You gentlemen are missing where the girl pictures great Mexican food skater porn Skeeter fiber work just all kinds of great stuff damn commies On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 11:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see FB posts... Is this for everyone? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB
That’s better J Thank you, Brian Webster From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 2:49 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB I actually speak several languages fluently and understand several more enough to order food and beer, that said, let me correct what I spoke to phone will driving and it came out as gibberish... "You gentlemen are missing all the weather girl pictures, great Mexican food shots, SCADA porn, SCADA fiber work , and all kinds of great stuff , damn commies!!!" On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 12:23 PM wrote: Jamie, I don’t know if we are having a language barrier issue or if that’s an inside joke…..but I have no idea what you just said. From: AF On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 1:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB You gentlemen are missing where the girl pictures great Mexican food skater porn Skeeter fiber work just all kinds of great stuff damn commies On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 11:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see FB posts... Is this for everyone? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB
I actually speak several languages fluently and understand several more enough to order food and beer, that said, let me correct what I spoke to phone will driving and it came out as gibberish... "You gentlemen are missing all the weather girl pictures, great Mexican food shots, SCADA porn, SCADA fiber work , and all kinds of great stuff , damn commies!!!" On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 12:23 PM wrote: > Jamie, I don’t know if we are having a language barrier issue or if that’s > an inside joke…..but I have no idea what you just said. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2022 1:35 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB > > > > You gentlemen are missing where the girl pictures great Mexican food > skater porn Skeeter fiber work just all kinds of great stuff damn commies > > > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 11:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > > So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see > FB posts... > > Is this for everyone? > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I've never really used ad blockers. That's how half the web makes money. I don't want Zuckerberg's children to starve in the streets. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 1:21 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: [AFMUG] OT FB So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see FB posts... Is this for everyone? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Jamie, I don’t know if we are having a language barrier issue or if that’s an inside joke…..but I have no idea what you just said. From: AF On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 1:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB You gentlemen are missing where the girl pictures great Mexican food skater porn Skeeter fiber work just all kinds of great stuff damn commies On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 11:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote: So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see FB posts... Is this for everyone? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Me Three... FB is getting tricky... On 4/29/22 10:22, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote: Started for me this morning. Jim Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8 Active, an AT 5G Evolution capable smartphone Original message From: Chuck McCown via AF Date: 4/29/22 12:22 PM (GMT-06:00) To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: [AFMUG] OT FB So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see FB posts... Is this for everyone? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I don't get any FB posts regardless of my spam/adblockers. Of course, I don't have a FB account, so there's that too. bp On 4/29/2022 10:20 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see FB posts... Is this for everyone? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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You gentlemen are missing where the girl pictures great Mexican food skater porn Skeeter fiber work just all kinds of great stuff damn commies On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 11:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see > FB posts... > Is this for everyone? > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Sounds like a right-wing conspiracy to me On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 11:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see > FB posts... > Is this for everyone? > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Started for me this morning. Jim Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8 Active, an AT 5G Evolution capable smartphone Original message From: Chuck McCown via AF Date: 4/29/22 12:22 PM (GMT-06:00) To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: [AFMUG] OT FB So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see FB posts... Is this for everyone? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] OT FB
So, I discovered this morning that I have to have my adblocker off to see FB posts... Is this for everyone? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Right now facebook search isnt working correctly On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 5:56 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > I made this page I think: > https://www.facebook.com/microtrenchblades > > But I cannot find it when I go to FB and search. Trying to launch a new > product. I have the website up and running but I have never really tried > to use FB before to market things. Not sure I am doing it right. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] OT FB usage question
I made this page I think: https://www.facebook.com/microtrenchblades But I cannot find it when I go to FB and search. Trying to launch a new product. I have the website up and running but I have never really tried to use FB before to market things. Not sure I am doing it right. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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In New York the F word is like a comma, period, and question mark. Even some devout Christians will salt their language when they're not in church. You hear it so often that it doesn't even register anymore. but it does depend on the setting. In business communication it's quite rare, but among tradesmen it's constant. But even the tradesmen know to keep it quiet if they're working in a professional building. If you're pumping gas you'll hear "Man these effing pumps are are effing slow, nobody got the effing time to wait for this." He's not even mad, he's just talking. There are exceptions both ways. I knew a home builder who had creative substitutions for every swear word, so he'd emulate those speech patterns but threw in things like "son of a biscuit". You can also bump into a lawyer who talks like a sailor. I think the root is whether they grew up in a blue collar household or not. A waitress can NOT say "you want some effin fries with that?", but the customer CAN say "I love these effin french fries, what do you put on them?" After the customer has started with that, the server may be able to slip in an F word, but can't overuse it. Eff word etiquette I guess. On 1/8/2021 12:49 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: In a long string of subject lines with F bombs, it does repulse me. I don’t typically use any profanity at all and none around me do. I don’t hear it in business settings or out on job sites. Perhaps it is a Utah thing. But I deal with folks all over the world and it really never appears in emails or phone conversations. Once in a while we run into a salty character but it is rare. I had a local distributor sales rep in my office a while back dropping the F bomb all over the place. Almost like he was drunk. It was unusual. Found it unusual. I thought it was pretty impolite as my wife was sitting right next to me as he was behaving this way. I have known this guy for a long time and never witnessed this behavior before. I mentioned it to a friend that reps products that other company carries. He was shocked. Had never seen that guy behave like that either. He then mentioned it to one of the bosses at the distributorship and I had an instant apology. I was not asking for one. I was not trying to get the guy in trouble. But they all took it very seriously. Again, this could be a local Utah thing, but when I ran my manufacturing business in Quincy, Ill we never had this happen there either. There was one guy named Bob that worked for Harris Broadcast that was foul mouthed and everyone in town talked about him. But that was about it. Maybe I give off a “don’t f with me” vibe or something. I don’t consider myself puritanical or a prude. But I don’t think foul language has a place in business or normal ordinary conversation. It really puts me off in the movies. *From:* Bill Prince *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 9:48 AM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB I put all OT threads in a folder all to themselves. I look at that folder when I feel like I need/want some entertainment. F-bombs and other atrocities do not bother me. That stopped being an issue for me back when I was in college. bp On 1/8/2021 7:46 AM, Colin Stanners wrote: One good thing is that AFMUG's main purpose/topic is understood by everyone. I don't filter out all OT posts as some relatively-WISP/FISP-unrelated technical topics are useful. But most political threads, as others have said, don't result in much useful change or new information in the end. Everyone's opinions are already pretty solidified. Instead of creating many new mailing list filters or categories, I think it'd be better avoided altogether once conversations start or become too political. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 9:30 AM Bill Prince wrote: Many times I want to post about something that is peripherally related to the industry. However, it may not be direct; Starlink news might be one of those. That is safely OT, and if someone thinks it isn't, then fine. No harm, no foul. However, I also know personally many of the people on this list, and it is helpful to me to hear what they have to say. Sometimes that dips into politics. I don't want to lose those friends. Putting in filters for off topic items should be a no brainer for each and every individual on this list. Perhaps a different tag for such topics? Maybe WOT (Way Off Topic), or NSFW, or POL as a prefix? Is that like having your cake and eating it too? bp On 1/8/2021 7:22 AM, D. Bernardi wrote: My .02, as mostly a lurker... A agree 100% with this statement. Some political views seem to be OK. For an RF rookie, this list has some invaluable technical content for me even though after a few responses threads can go on a tangent. Signal to noise can be rather low at times but I stil
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I really like the sales rep. Have done business with him for years. Perhaps he had a hangover. And I doubt it ever happens again. I actually feel sorry for him having my comment get back to him. When you are on a camp out with your huntin’ buddies it is expected. Or out drinking all night. Or starring in an action adventure movie (when did this become a thing). Guess I need to go watch “Team America” again to get my ears toughened up. From: Steve Jones Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:20 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB Can we agree to ban the U bomb in its entirety though, with the exception of alternative chuck who has a pass from good chuck? I watch sales reps, that's the course correction I'm looking at, they're chameleons, I've kind of gotten to a point where it's a game of curiosity, like trying to figure out bot scripts in yahoo chat back in the day (type the word human, bot, or real and the response will be that they're not a bot, etc) I dont know if our industry rep software is the same as nail salons, but their software has detail cards on each client to remember their details, family, pets, etc including their general disposition. I've found few reps that will swear right off the bat, but most dont. But if you slipped in a swear word, theyll slip in a swear word. If you go off on a crossword holiday, theyll go full sailor. The funnest game is to get godly between communications, and see how they correct course. So one phone call, drop some S and F bombs. Then the next call dont, and mention a church sermon. I've found they test the swear waters with an Ass. I assume they try to align their persona with a customers persona to make a customer comfortable dropping coin. Chucks experience is an odd one, to be honest I dont think I'd do business with that rep again if he didnt have products worth looking at. That's business relations though. A mailing list is a mailing list. People have a hard time keeping things threaded to filter out noise. I try to keep my noise in the thread though the troll in me makes that a momentous task, I would apologize if I were an apologist, but I'm frankly more of a d@#khead than anything else. I blame my mother for being too kind. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 12:03 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: Bill, Maybe we need a different tag than OT for political stuff. I agree some of the OT stuff is entertaining and maybe informative. A separate political tag would allow people to filter it out and not lose the OT stuff. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.Myakka.com -- Friday, January 8, 2021, 11:48:09 AM, you wrote: I put all OT threads in a folder all to themselves. I look at that folder when I feel like I need/want some entertainment. F-bombs and other atrocities do not bother me. That stopped being an issue for me back when I was in college. bp On 1/8/2021 7:46 AM, Colin Stanners wrote: One good thing is that AFMUG's main purpose/topic is understood by everyone. I don't filter out all OT posts as some relatively-WISP/FISP-unrelated technical topics are useful. But most political threads, as others have said, don't result in much useful change or new information in the end. Everyone's opinions are already pretty solidified. Instead of creating many new mailing list filters or categories, I think it'd be better avoided altogether once conversations start or become too political. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 9:30 AM Bill Prince wrote: Many times I want to post about something that is peripherally related to the industry. However, it may not be direct; Starlink news might be one of those. That is safely OT, and if someone thinks it isn't, then fine. No harm, no foul. However, I also know personally many of the people on this list, and it is helpful to me to hear what they have to say. Sometimes that dips into politics. I don't want to lose those friends. Putting in filters for off topic items should be a no brainer for each and every individual on this list. Perhaps a different tag for such topics? Maybe WOT (Way Off Topic), or NSFW, or POL as a prefix? Is that like having your cake and eating it too? bp On 1/8/2021 7:22 AM, D. Bernardi wrote: My .02, as mostly a lurker... A agree 100% with this statement. Some political views seem to be OK. For an RF rookie, this list has some invaluable technical content for me even though after a few responses threads can go on a tangent. Signal to noise can be rather low at times but I still find it valuable overall
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owed but countering it is > not.  We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we > make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best option as there > are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up.  > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to > remain civil to do so. >  > The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and > Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. >  > Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. >  > No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. >  > From: Steve Jones > Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >  > youre no fun dad >  > Lent? >  > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of > F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. >  > From: Mathew Howard > Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >  > That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no > so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, > no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not > outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their > consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems > to be very little that can be done to fix it. >  > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House > wrote: > " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I > take every bit of news from every outlet on every station.  It is even > more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political > agenda. This includes most of the people on this list.  Very few on > either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. > I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not > reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide.  I > honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today.  > Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and > Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list >  >  > -- > From: "Adam Moffett" > > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >  > > Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of > truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so > thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop > being a fool. > > The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard enough. > >  > On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: > an election that is not conducted according to law is not an election.  > it's a coup. > Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats > every voter the same, it's not an "election". > Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... that > is intolerable. >  > hereistheevidence.com  --- in case you dare open your mind to truth >  > Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a > commie plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message. >  > All that is left is communism or war.  That was the plan all along and > only 'crazy' people -- and people who escaped communist societies to come > warn us -- saw it or believed in it. >  > I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End: >  > “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the > purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to > inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to > reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are > being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to > repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of > probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil > oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even > destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if > you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended > to.†~ Theodore Dalrymple >  > You arrogant asses, you've killed us! > --
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: FBI just don’t see a need for that stuff here. Too polarizing and to easy to offend folks. Just like vax/anti vax conversation. Some folks are very passionate about that too. Ditto religion. No need here. Go on other forums. (Except when you are talking to Steve. In that case you can say anything you want...) We can talk trash to each other all day when it is just good sport, but when you touch on real subjects feelings can get permanently damaged. We need each other as technical resources. And when you really need help you don’t want some guy that actually knows the exact answer holding back because he deems you to be an a$$hole due to some political position you had proffered in the past. From: Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:02 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB Bill, Maybe we need a different tag than OT for political stuff. I agree some of the OT stuff is entertaining and maybe informative. A separate political tag would allow people to filter it out and not lose the OT stuff. -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.Myakka.com -- Friday, January 8, 2021, 11:48:09 AM, you wrote: I put all OT threads in a folder all to themselves. I look at that folder when I feel like I need/want some entertainment. F-bombs and other atrocities do not bother me. That stopped being an issue for me back when I was in college. bp On 1/8/2021 7:46 AM, Colin Stanners wrote: One good thing is that AFMUG's main purpose/topic is understood by everyone. I don't filter out all OT posts as some relatively-WISP/FISP-unrelated technical topics are useful. But most political threads, as others have said, don't result in much useful change or new information in the end. Everyone's opinions are already pretty solidified. Instead of creating many new mailing list filters or categories, I think it'd be better avoided altogether once conversations start or become too political. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 9:30 AM Bill Prince wrote: Many times I want to post about something that is peripherally related to the industry. However, it may not be direct; Starlink news might be one of those. That is safely OT, and if someone thinks it isn't, then fine. No harm, no foul. However, I also know personally many of the people on this list, and it is helpful to me to hear what they have to say. Sometimes that dips into politics. I don't want to lose those friends. Putting in filters for off topic items should be a no brainer for each and every individual on this list. Perhaps a different tag for such topics? Maybe WOT (Way Off Topic), or NSFW, or POL as a prefix? Is that like having your cake and eating it too? bp On 1/8/2021 7:22 AM, D. Bernardi wrote: My .02, as mostly a lurker... A agree 100% with this statement. Some political views seem to be OK. For an RF rookie, this list has some invaluable technical content for me even though after a few responses threads can go on a tangent. Signal to noise can be rather low at times but I still find it valuable overall. Tagging the subject with OT should be a managable way to deal with non-technical content. At 02:14 PM 1/7/2021, you wrote: Chuck, I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take."  and not expect it to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is not.  We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up.  On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain civil to do so.  The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take.  Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow.  No need
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Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB Bill, Maybe we need a different tag than OT for political stuff. I agree some of the OT stuff is entertaining and maybe informative. A separate political tag would allow people to filter it out and not lose the OT stuff. -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.Myakka.com -- Friday, January 8, 2021, 11:48:09 AM, you wrote: I put all OT threads in a folder all to themselves. I look at that folder when I feel like I need/want some entertainment. F-bombs and other atrocities do not bother me. That stopped being an issue for me back when I was in college. bp On 1/8/2021 7:46 AM, Colin Stanners wrote: One good thing is that AFMUG's main purpose/topic is understood by everyone. I don't filter out all OT posts as some relatively-WISP/FISP-unrelated technical topics are useful. But most political threads, as others have said, don't result in much useful change or new information in the end. Everyone's opinions are already pretty solidified. Instead of creating many new mailing list filters or categories, I think it'd be better avoided altogether once conversations start or become too political. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 9:30 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: Many times I want to post about something that is peripherally related to the industry. However, it may not be direct; Starlink news might be one of those. That is safely OT, and if someone thinks it isn't, then fine. No harm, no foul. However, I also know personally many of the people on this list, and it is helpful to me to hear what they have to say. Sometimes that dips into politics. I don't want to lose those friends. Putting in filters for off topic items should be a no brainer for each and every individual on this list. Perhaps a different tag for such topics? Maybe WOT (Way Off Topic), or NSFW, or POL as a prefix? Is that like having your cake and eating it too? bp On 1/8/2021 7:22 AM, D. Bernardi wrote: My .02, as mostly a lurker... A agree 100% with this statement. Some political views seem to be OK. For an RF rookie, this list has some invaluable technical content for me even though after a few responses threads can go on a tangent. Signal to noise can be rather low at times but I still find it valuable overall. Tagging the subject with OT should be a managable way to deal with non-technical content. At 02:14 PM 1/7/2021, you wrote: Chuck, I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take."  and not expect it to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is not.  We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up.  On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain civil to do so.  The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take.  Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow.  No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side.  From: Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB  youre no fun dad  Lent?  On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints.  From: Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit  That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems to be very little that can be done to fix it.  On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House <cr...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote: " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I take every bit of news from every outlet on every station.  It is even more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political agenda. This includes most of the people on this list.  Very few on either side can really provide an objective argu
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That's different from what I was thinking about. The F-word is almost universal in its usage. It can be a noun, a verb, and adjective, and adverb, you name it. It can also just be an expletive peppered in a sentence for effect. I don't appreciate that sort of usage. However, for someone who doesn't pepper their language with it, it can provide a very effective underline in a way. I do recall a place my parents took us almost every summer for vacation. The fellow who ran the operation, Glibert Norman, was known by all the kids as "Jeepers" because his language was just filled with the phrase "jeepers creepers", or "by jeepers creepers". I learned after I was old enough that when there were no kids in his presence, other, more "adult" words were used in place of the "jeepers". Kind of a fond memory in fact. All the kids loved him. I wonder what the parents thought? I bet they were uncomfortable when it was only adults in earshot, but I also bet they appreciated that he'd figured out a way to not tick them off by talking that way in front of the kids. bp On 1/8/2021 9:49 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: In a long string of subject lines with F bombs, it does repulse me. I don’t typically use any profanity at all and none around me do. I don’t hear it in business settings or out on job sites. Perhaps it is a Utah thing. But I deal with folks all over the world and it really never appears in emails or phone conversations. Once in a while we run into a salty character but it is rare. I had a local distributor sales rep in my office a while back dropping the F bomb all over the place. Almost like he was drunk. It was unusual. Found it unusual. I thought it was pretty impolite as my wife was sitting right next to me as he was behaving this way. I have known this guy for a long time and never witnessed this behavior before. I mentioned it to a friend that reps products that other company carries. He was shocked. Had never seen that guy behave like that either. He then mentioned it to one of the bosses at the distributorship and I had an instant apology. I was not asking for one. I was not trying to get the guy in trouble. But they all took it very seriously. Again, this could be a local Utah thing, but when I ran my manufacturing business in Quincy, Ill we never had this happen there either. There was one guy named Bob that worked for Harris Broadcast that was foul mouthed and everyone in town talked about him. But that was about it. Maybe I give off a “don’t f with me” vibe or something. I don’t consider myself puritanical or a prude. But I don’t think foul language has a place in business or normal ordinary conversation. It really puts me off in the movies. From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:48 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB I put all OT threads in a folder all to themselves. I look at that folder when I feel like I need/want some entertainment. F-bombs and other atrocities do not bother me. That stopped being an issue for me back when I was in college. bp On 1/8/2021 7:46 AM, Colin Stanners wrote: One good thing is that AFMUG's main purpose/topic is understood by everyone. I don't filter out all OT posts as some relatively-WISP/FISP-unrelated technical topics are useful. But most political threads, as others have said, don't result in much useful change or new information in the end. Everyone's opinions are already pretty solidified. Instead of creating many new mailing list filters or categories, I think it'd be better avoided altogether once conversations start or become too political. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 9:30 AM Bill Prince
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In a long string of subject lines with F bombs, it does repulse me. I don’t typically use any profanity at all and none around me do. I don’t hear it in business settings or out on job sites. Perhaps it is a Utah thing. But I deal with folks all over the world and it really never appears in emails or phone conversations. Once in a while we run into a salty character but it is rare. I had a local distributor sales rep in my office a while back dropping the F bomb all over the place. Almost like he was drunk. It was unusual. Found it unusual. I thought it was pretty impolite as my wife was sitting right next to me as he was behaving this way. I have known this guy for a long time and never witnessed this behavior before. I mentioned it to a friend that reps products that other company carries. He was shocked. Had never seen that guy behave like that either. He then mentioned it to one of the bosses at the distributorship and I had an instant apology. I was not asking for one. I was not trying to get the guy in trouble. But they all took it very seriously. Again, this could be a local Utah thing, but when I ran my manufacturing business in Quincy, Ill we never had this happen there either. There was one guy named Bob that worked for Harris Broadcast that was foul mouthed and everyone in town talked about him. But that was about it. Maybe I give off a “don’t f with me” vibe or something. I don’t consider myself puritanical or a prude. But I don’t think foul language has a place in business or normal ordinary conversation. It really puts me off in the movies. From: Bill Prince Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:48 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB I put all OT threads in a folder all to themselves. I look at that folder when I feel like I need/want some entertainment. F-bombs and other atrocities do not bother me. That stopped being an issue for me back when I was in college. bp On 1/8/2021 7:46 AM, Colin Stanners wrote: One good thing is that AFMUG's main purpose/topic is understood by everyone. I don't filter out all OT posts as some relatively-WISP/FISP-unrelated technical topics are useful. But most political threads, as others have said, don't result in much useful change or new information in the end. Everyone's opinions are already pretty solidified. Instead of creating many new mailing list filters or categories, I think it'd be better avoided altogether once conversations start or become too political. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 9:30 AM Bill Prince wrote: Many times I want to post about something that is peripherally related to the industry. However, it may not be direct; Starlink news might be one of those. That is safely OT, and if someone thinks it isn't, then fine. No harm, no foul. However, I also know personally many of the people on this list, and it is helpful to me to hear what they have to say. Sometimes that dips into politics. I don't want to lose those friends. Putting in filters for off topic items should be a no brainer for each and every individual on this list. Perhaps a different tag for such topics? Maybe WOT (Way Off Topic), or NSFW, or POL as a prefix? Is that like having your cake and eating it too? bp On 1/8/2021 7:22 AM, D. Bernardi wrote: My .02, as mostly a lurker... A agree 100% with this statement. Some political views seem to be OK. For an RF rookie, this list has some invaluable technical content for me even though after a few responses threads can go on a tangent. Signal to noise can be rather low at times but I still find it valuable overall. Tagging the subject with OT should be a managable way to deal with non-technical content. At 02:14 PM 1/7/2021, you wrote: Chuck, I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take."  and not expect it to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is not.  We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up.  On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain civil to do so.  The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take.  Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. Â
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Howard
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit
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conclusion that almost no so-called news
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<cr...@totalhighspeed.net>
wrote:
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To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
One good thing is that AFMUG's main purpose/topic is understood by everyone. I don't filter out all OT posts as some relatively-WISP/FISP-unrelated technical topics are useful. But most political threads, as others have said, don't result in much useful change or new information in the end. Everyone's opinions are already pretty solidified. Instead of creating many new mailing list filters or categories, I think it'd be better avoided altogether once conversations start or become too political. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 9:30 AM Bill Prince wrote: > Many times I want to post about something that is peripherally related to > the industry. However, it may not be direct; Starlink news might be one of > those. That is safely OT, and if someone thinks it isn't, then fine. No > harm, no foul. > > However, I also know personally many of the people on this list, and it is > helpful to me to hear what they have to say. Sometimes that dips into > politics. I don't want to lose those friends. > > Putting in filters for off topic items should be a no brainer for each and > every individual on this list. Perhaps a different tag for such topics? > Maybe WOT (Way Off Topic), or NSFW, or POL as a prefix? Is that like having > your cake and eating it too? > > > bp > > > On 1/8/2021 7:22 AM, D. Bernardi wrote: > > > > My .02, as mostly a lurker... > > A agree 100% with this statement. Some political views seem to be OK. > > For an RF rookie, this list has some invaluable technical content for me > even though after a few responses threads can go on a tangent. Signal to > noise can be rather low at times but I still find it valuable overall. > > Tagging the subject with OT should be a managable way to deal with > non-technical content. > > > > At 02:14 PM 1/7/2021, you wrote: > > Chuck, > > I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC > crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle > crap largely done by the other side. Give and take."  and not expect it > to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and dangerously > wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't have a list > where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is > not.  We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we > make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best option as there > are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up.  > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to > remain civil to do so. >  > The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and > Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. >  > Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. >  > No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. >  > From: Steve Jones > Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >  > youre no fun dad >  > Lent? >  > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of > F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. >  > From: Mathew Howard > Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >  > That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no > so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, > no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not > outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their > consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems > to be very little that can be done to fix it. >  > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House > wrote: > " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I > take every bit of news from every outlet on every station.  It is even > more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political > agenda. This includes most of the people on this list.  Very few on > either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. > I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not > reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide.  I > honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today.  > Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and > Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's o
Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
Many times I want to post about something that is peripherally related to the industry. However, it may not be direct; Starlink news might be one of those. That is safely OT, and if someone thinks it isn't, then fine. No harm, no foul. However, I also know personally many of the people on this list, and it is helpful to me to hear what they have to say. Sometimes that dips into politics. I don't want to lose those friends. Putting in filters for off topic items should be a no brainer for each and every individual on this list. Perhaps a different tag for such topics? Maybe WOT (Way Off Topic), or NSFW, or POL as a prefix? Is that like having your cake and eating it too? bp On 1/8/2021 7:22 AM, D. Bernardi wrote: My .02, as mostly a lurker... A agree 100% with this statement. Some political views seem to be OK. For an RF rookie, this list has some invaluable technical content for me even though after a few responses threads can go on a tangent. Signal to noise can be rather low at times but I still find it valuable overall. Tagging the subject with OT should be a managable way to deal with non-technical content. At 02:14 PM 1/7/2021, you wrote: Chuck, I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take."  and not expect it to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is not.  We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up.  On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain civil to do so.  The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take.  Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow.  No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side.  From: Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB  youre no fun dad  Lent?  On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote: Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints.  From: Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit  That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems to be very little that can be done to fix it.  On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House <cr...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote: " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exa
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My .02, as mostly a lurker... A agree 100% with this statement. Some political views seem to be OK. For an RF rookie, this list has some invaluable technical content for me even though after a few responses threads can go on a tangent. Signal to noise can be rather low at times but I still find it valuable overall. Tagging the subject with OT should be a managable way to deal with non-technical content. At 02:14 PM 1/7/2021, you wrote: Chuck, I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take."  and not expect it to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is not.  We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up.  On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF <<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>af@af.afmug.com> wrote: Sorry. I donât want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain civil to do so.  The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take.  Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow.  No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side.  From: Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB  youre no fun dad  Lent?  On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints.  From: Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit  That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems to be very little that can be done to fix it.  On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House wrote: " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I take every bit of news from every outlet on every station.  It is even more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political agenda. This includes most of the people on this list.  Very few on either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide.  I honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today.  Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list   -- From: "Adam Moffett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit  Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop being a fool. The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard enough.  On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: an election that is not conducted according to law is not an election.  it's a coup. Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats every voter the same, it's not an "election". Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... that is intolerable.  <http://hereistheevidence.com>hereistheevidence.com  --- in case you dare open your mind to truth  Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a commie plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message.  All that is left is communism or war.  That was the plan all along and only 'crazy' people -- and people who escaped communist societies to come warn us -- saw it or believed in it.  I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End:  âIn my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to rema
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Alternate Chuck also has a solid gold Canopy pedigree. Can’t take that away. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2021, at 9:59 PM, Steve Jones wrote: > > > Good chucks rules said nothing about fights to the death. But also bad chuck > isnt really u@#t, hes air fiber. That's kind of like an imitation veggie > burger made of beef. > >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 9:21 PM Mathew Howard wrote: >> Is that allowed? >> >>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 9:03 PM Chuck Macenski wrote: >>> I give up (I am too old slow to be involved in a dual) >>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 8:44 PM Steve Jones >>>> wrote: >>>> Sorry good chuck, but bad chuck is spitting fighting words. Its come to a >>>> duel >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 7:13 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >>>>> LENT! >>>>> >>>>> From: Chuck Macenski >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 6:01 PM >>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >>>>> >>>>> UBNT UBNT UBNT UBNT >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 5:12 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I hated sociology when I was in college, but had to take it. I think >>>>>> sociology now would be fascinating. Think about how far we have >>>>>> degraded as a society. Of all people, the people on this list should >>>>>> not be surprised of where we are at. >>>>>> >>>>>> There has always been conspiracy theories. Bigfoot, Area 51, JFK, etc. >>>>>> But in the pre-internet days, you really had to want to be a conspiracy >>>>>> person to get sucked in. You had to subscribe to magazines, you had to >>>>>> find books at the store or library. You really had to be dedicated to >>>>>> that conspiracy. Most considered them urban legends, only a few took >>>>>> the deep dive. It also helped that 99% of the news was centralized. >>>>>> You watched a certain channel because you liked the person doing the >>>>>> reporting , not the news itself. If there was spin, it was mostly all >>>>>> spun in the same direction. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then came the Internet. Now we have BBS and chat rooms where these >>>>>> conspiracy people can virtually meet. Still not an issue because a >>>>>> majority of the population is still getting their news from a >>>>>> centralized place. CNN at this point was still main stream and in >>>>>> inline with the networks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then AOL comes along and everyone starts getting on the Internet. >>>>>> Things start getting a little worst. Remember Bonsai Kitten. Hey, its >>>>>> on the Internet so it is true. Forums start popping up, some people >>>>>> start building their own websites, e-mail is becoming more popular. >>>>>> It's dial up, still takes a lot of work to get involved with the >>>>>> conspiracy guys. But now you have a bit easier access to the rabbit >>>>>> hole. Most news is still consumed via TV and Newspapers. Most events >>>>>> are still reported accurately. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then dedicated always on Internet shows up along with social media. >>>>>> This begins the downward spiral. No more dial up. You can create any >>>>>> type of bat shit crazy FB group/page. You can post any type of video on >>>>>> youtube. Now that rabbit hole is getting easier to navigate. You can >>>>>> start blogging or vlogging. You can setup websites via godaddy in a few >>>>>> clicks. More people are starting to get their news via the Internet. >>>>>> The news organizations start seeing this and begin their presence >>>>>> online. News is starting to get a bit more blurry as some of these >>>>>> virtual news organizations start competing with the old timers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then we get smart phones, snapchat, instagram, etc. Now we have access >>>>>> to that rabbit hole wherever we are. There is almost zero effort needed >>>>>> to make a post to social media. Anyone with a selfie stick and a smart >>>>>> phone is now
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Good chucks rules said nothing about fights to the death. But also bad chuck isnt really u@#t, hes air fiber. That's kind of like an imitation veggie burger made of beef. On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 9:21 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > Is that allowed? > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 9:03 PM Chuck Macenski wrote: > >> I give up (I am too old slow to be involved in a dual) >> >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 8:44 PM Steve Jones >> wrote: >> >>> Sorry good chuck, but bad chuck is spitting fighting words. Its come to >>> a duel >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 7:13 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> >>>> LENT! >>>> >>>> *From:* Chuck Macenski >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 6:01 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >>>> >>>> UBNT UBNT UBNT UBNT >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 5:12 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < >>>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I hated sociology when I was in college, but had to take it. I think >>>>> sociology now would be fascinating. Think about how far we have degraded >>>>> as a society. Of all people, the people on this list should not be >>>>> surprised of where we are at. >>>>> >>>>> There has always been conspiracy theories. Bigfoot, Area 51, JFK, >>>>> etc. But in the pre-internet days, you really had to want to be a >>>>> conspiracy person to get sucked in. You had to subscribe to magazines, >>>>> you >>>>> had to find books at the store or library. You really had to be dedicated >>>>> to that conspiracy. Most considered them urban legends, only a few took >>>>> the deep dive. It also helped that 99% of the news was centralized. You >>>>> watched a certain channel because you liked the person doing the reporting >>>>> , not the news itself. If there was spin, it was mostly all spun in the >>>>> same direction. >>>>> >>>>> Then came the Internet. Now we have BBS and chat rooms where these >>>>> conspiracy people can virtually meet. Still not an issue because a >>>>> majority of the population is still getting their news from a centralized >>>>> place. CNN at this point was still main stream and in inline with the >>>>> networks. >>>>> >>>>> Then AOL comes along and everyone starts getting on the Internet. >>>>> Things start getting a little worst. Remember Bonsai Kitten. Hey, its on >>>>> the Internet so it is true. Forums start popping up, some people start >>>>> building their own websites, e-mail is becoming more popular. It's dial >>>>> up, still takes a lot of work to get involved with the conspiracy guys. >>>>> But now you have a bit easier access to the rabbit hole. Most news is >>>>> still consumed via TV and Newspapers. Most events are still reported >>>>> accurately. >>>>> >>>>> Then dedicated always on Internet shows up along with social media. >>>>> This begins the downward spiral. No more dial up. You can create any >>>>> type >>>>> of bat shit crazy FB group/page. You can post any type of video on >>>>> youtube. Now that rabbit hole is getting easier to navigate. You can >>>>> start blogging or vlogging. You can setup websites via godaddy in a few >>>>> clicks. More people are starting to get their news via the Internet. The >>>>> news organizations start seeing this and begin their presence online. >>>>> News >>>>> is starting to get a bit more blurry as some of these virtual news >>>>> organizations start competing with the old timers. >>>>> >>>>> Then we get smart phones, snapchat, instagram, etc. Now we have >>>>> access to that rabbit hole wherever we are. There is almost zero effort >>>>> needed to make a post to social media. Anyone with a selfie stick and a >>>>> smart phone is now a reporter. Virtual "news" channels streamed from >>>>> someones basement are now on ROKU or FireStick. There is no more >>>>> centralize news. Everything is an opinion story. Old school news outlets >>>>> have to stop being independent and start leaning one way or another to >>>>> survive in the new age.
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Is that allowed? On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 9:03 PM Chuck Macenski wrote: > I give up (I am too old slow to be involved in a dual) > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 8:44 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> Sorry good chuck, but bad chuck is spitting fighting words. Its come to a >> duel >> >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 7:13 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >> >>> LENT! >>> >>> *From:* Chuck Macenski >>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 6:01 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >>> >>> UBNT UBNT UBNT UBNT >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 5:12 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < >>> m...@mailmt.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I hated sociology when I was in college, but had to take it. I think >>>> sociology now would be fascinating. Think about how far we have degraded >>>> as a society. Of all people, the people on this list should not be >>>> surprised of where we are at. >>>> >>>> There has always been conspiracy theories. Bigfoot, Area 51, JFK, >>>> etc. But in the pre-internet days, you really had to want to be a >>>> conspiracy person to get sucked in. You had to subscribe to magazines, you >>>> had to find books at the store or library. You really had to be dedicated >>>> to that conspiracy. Most considered them urban legends, only a few took >>>> the deep dive. It also helped that 99% of the news was centralized. You >>>> watched a certain channel because you liked the person doing the reporting >>>> , not the news itself. If there was spin, it was mostly all spun in the >>>> same direction. >>>> >>>> Then came the Internet. Now we have BBS and chat rooms where these >>>> conspiracy people can virtually meet. Still not an issue because a >>>> majority of the population is still getting their news from a centralized >>>> place. CNN at this point was still main stream and in inline with the >>>> networks. >>>> >>>> Then AOL comes along and everyone starts getting on the Internet. >>>> Things start getting a little worst. Remember Bonsai Kitten. Hey, its on >>>> the Internet so it is true. Forums start popping up, some people start >>>> building their own websites, e-mail is becoming more popular. It's dial >>>> up, still takes a lot of work to get involved with the conspiracy guys. >>>> But now you have a bit easier access to the rabbit hole. Most news is >>>> still consumed via TV and Newspapers. Most events are still reported >>>> accurately. >>>> >>>> Then dedicated always on Internet shows up along with social media. >>>> This begins the downward spiral. No more dial up. You can create any type >>>> of bat shit crazy FB group/page. You can post any type of video on >>>> youtube. Now that rabbit hole is getting easier to navigate. You can >>>> start blogging or vlogging. You can setup websites via godaddy in a few >>>> clicks. More people are starting to get their news via the Internet. The >>>> news organizations start seeing this and begin their presence online. News >>>> is starting to get a bit more blurry as some of these virtual news >>>> organizations start competing with the old timers. >>>> >>>> Then we get smart phones, snapchat, instagram, etc. Now we have access >>>> to that rabbit hole wherever we are. There is almost zero effort needed to >>>> make a post to social media. Anyone with a selfie stick and a smart phone >>>> is now a reporter. Virtual "news" channels streamed from someones basement >>>> are now on ROKU or FireStick. There is no more centralize news. >>>> Everything is an opinion story. Old school news outlets have to stop being >>>> independent and start leaning one way or another to survive in the new >>>> age. All that matters now is followers, eyeballs and ad revenue. Keep >>>> your eyeballs worked up as much as possible, so they come back or go deeper >>>> into the rabbit hole. >>>> >>>> As I said of all people, we on this list should not be surprised where >>>> we are as a country. We watched this develop over the last 20+ years. >>>> Unfortunately, I really don't see how it gets better. There was always >>>> some fringe groups out there, but now there is no such thing as fringe. >>>> >>>&
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I give up (I am too old slow to be involved in a dual) On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 8:44 PM Steve Jones wrote: > Sorry good chuck, but bad chuck is spitting fighting words. Its come to a > duel > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 7:13 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > >> LENT! >> >> *From:* Chuck Macenski >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 6:01 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >> >> UBNT UBNT UBNT UBNT >> >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 5:12 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies < >> m...@mailmt.com> wrote: >> >>> I hated sociology when I was in college, but had to take it. I think >>> sociology now would be fascinating. Think about how far we have degraded >>> as a society. Of all people, the people on this list should not be >>> surprised of where we are at. >>> >>> There has always been conspiracy theories. Bigfoot, Area 51, JFK, etc. >>> But in the pre-internet days, you really had to want to be a conspiracy >>> person to get sucked in. You had to subscribe to magazines, you had to >>> find books at the store or library. You really had to be dedicated to that >>> conspiracy. Most considered them urban legends, only a few took the deep >>> dive. It also helped that 99% of the news was centralized. You watched a >>> certain channel because you liked the person doing the reporting , not the >>> news itself. If there was spin, it was mostly all spun in the same >>> direction. >>> >>> Then came the Internet. Now we have BBS and chat rooms where these >>> conspiracy people can virtually meet. Still not an issue because a >>> majority of the population is still getting their news from a centralized >>> place. CNN at this point was still main stream and in inline with the >>> networks. >>> >>> Then AOL comes along and everyone starts getting on the Internet. >>> Things start getting a little worst. Remember Bonsai Kitten. Hey, its on >>> the Internet so it is true. Forums start popping up, some people start >>> building their own websites, e-mail is becoming more popular. It's dial >>> up, still takes a lot of work to get involved with the conspiracy guys. >>> But now you have a bit easier access to the rabbit hole. Most news is >>> still consumed via TV and Newspapers. Most events are still reported >>> accurately. >>> >>> Then dedicated always on Internet shows up along with social media. >>> This begins the downward spiral. No more dial up. You can create any type >>> of bat shit crazy FB group/page. You can post any type of video on >>> youtube. Now that rabbit hole is getting easier to navigate. You can >>> start blogging or vlogging. You can setup websites via godaddy in a few >>> clicks. More people are starting to get their news via the Internet. The >>> news organizations start seeing this and begin their presence online. News >>> is starting to get a bit more blurry as some of these virtual news >>> organizations start competing with the old timers. >>> >>> Then we get smart phones, snapchat, instagram, etc. Now we have access >>> to that rabbit hole wherever we are. There is almost zero effort needed to >>> make a post to social media. Anyone with a selfie stick and a smart phone >>> is now a reporter. Virtual "news" channels streamed from someones basement >>> are now on ROKU or FireStick. There is no more centralize news. >>> Everything is an opinion story. Old school news outlets have to stop being >>> independent and start leaning one way or another to survive in the new >>> age. All that matters now is followers, eyeballs and ad revenue. Keep >>> your eyeballs worked up as much as possible, so they come back or go deeper >>> into the rabbit hole. >>> >>> As I said of all people, we on this list should not be surprised where >>> we are as a country. We watched this develop over the last 20+ years. >>> Unfortunately, I really don't see how it gets better. There was always >>> some fringe groups out there, but now there is no such thing as fringe. >>> >>> Everyone has now been divided into tribes. Red tribe, Blue tribe, LGQBT >>> tribe, BLM tribe, Proud Boys tribe, Christian tribe, etc. With social >>> media we are now free to associated with only the people that agree with >>> us. We surround ourselves with yes men. We rarely hear "The Rest of the >>> Story". Our believes are confir
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Sorry good chuck, but bad chuck is spitting fighting words. Its come to a duel On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 7:13 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > LENT! > > *From:* Chuck Macenski > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 6:01 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB > > UBNT UBNT UBNT UBNT > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 5:12 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies > wrote: > >> I hated sociology when I was in college, but had to take it. I think >> sociology now would be fascinating. Think about how far we have degraded >> as a society. Of all people, the people on this list should not be >> surprised of where we are at. >> >> There has always been conspiracy theories. Bigfoot, Area 51, JFK, etc. >> But in the pre-internet days, you really had to want to be a conspiracy >> person to get sucked in. You had to subscribe to magazines, you had to >> find books at the store or library. You really had to be dedicated to that >> conspiracy. Most considered them urban legends, only a few took the deep >> dive. It also helped that 99% of the news was centralized. You watched a >> certain channel because you liked the person doing the reporting , not the >> news itself. If there was spin, it was mostly all spun in the same >> direction. >> >> Then came the Internet. Now we have BBS and chat rooms where these >> conspiracy people can virtually meet. Still not an issue because a >> majority of the population is still getting their news from a centralized >> place. CNN at this point was still main stream and in inline with the >> networks. >> >> Then AOL comes along and everyone starts getting on the Internet. Things >> start getting a little worst. Remember Bonsai Kitten. Hey, its on the >> Internet so it is true. Forums start popping up, some people start >> building their own websites, e-mail is becoming more popular. It's dial >> up, still takes a lot of work to get involved with the conspiracy guys. >> But now you have a bit easier access to the rabbit hole. Most news is >> still consumed via TV and Newspapers. Most events are still reported >> accurately. >> >> Then dedicated always on Internet shows up along with social media. This >> begins the downward spiral. No more dial up. You can create any type of >> bat shit crazy FB group/page. You can post any type of video on youtube. >> Now that rabbit hole is getting easier to navigate. You can start blogging >> or vlogging. You can setup websites via godaddy in a few clicks. More >> people are starting to get their news via the Internet. The news >> organizations start seeing this and begin their presence online. News is >> starting to get a bit more blurry as some of these virtual news >> organizations start competing with the old timers. >> >> Then we get smart phones, snapchat, instagram, etc. Now we have access >> to that rabbit hole wherever we are. There is almost zero effort needed to >> make a post to social media. Anyone with a selfie stick and a smart phone >> is now a reporter. Virtual "news" channels streamed from someones basement >> are now on ROKU or FireStick. There is no more centralize news. >> Everything is an opinion story. Old school news outlets have to stop being >> independent and start leaning one way or another to survive in the new >> age. All that matters now is followers, eyeballs and ad revenue. Keep >> your eyeballs worked up as much as possible, so they come back or go deeper >> into the rabbit hole. >> >> As I said of all people, we on this list should not be surprised where we >> are as a country. We watched this develop over the last 20+ years. >> Unfortunately, I really don't see how it gets better. There was always >> some fringe groups out there, but now there is no such thing as fringe. >> >> Everyone has now been divided into tribes. Red tribe, Blue tribe, LGQBT >> tribe, BLM tribe, Proud Boys tribe, Christian tribe, etc. With social >> media we are now free to associated with only the people that agree with >> us. We surround ourselves with yes men. We rarely hear "The Rest of the >> Story". Our believes are confirmed and reinforced each and every day until >> we are willing to die for them. Chris Rock in the movie Dogma had a great >> quote "I just think it's better to have an idea. You can change an idea; >> changing a belief is trickier. People die for it, people kill for it." >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com >> >> Myakka Technol
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LENT! From: Chuck Macenski Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 6:01 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB UBNT UBNT UBNT UBNT On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 5:12 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: I hated sociology when I was in college, but had to take it. I think sociology now would be fascinating. Think about how far we have degraded as a society. Of all people, the people on this list should not be surprised of where we are at. There has always been conspiracy theories. Bigfoot, Area 51, JFK, etc. But in the pre-internet days, you really had to want to be a conspiracy person to get sucked in. You had to subscribe to magazines, you had to find books at the store or library. You really had to be dedicated to that conspiracy. Most considered them urban legends, only a few took the deep dive. It also helped that 99% of the news was centralized. You watched a certain channel because you liked the person doing the reporting , not the news itself. If there was spin, it was mostly all spun in the same direction. Then came the Internet. Now we have BBS and chat rooms where these conspiracy people can virtually meet. Still not an issue because a majority of the population is still getting their news from a centralized place. CNN at this point was still main stream and in inline with the networks. Then AOL comes along and everyone starts getting on the Internet. Things start getting a little worst. Remember Bonsai Kitten. Hey, its on the Internet so it is true. Forums start popping up, some people start building their own websites, e-mail is becoming more popular. It's dial up, still takes a lot of work to get involved with the conspiracy guys. But now you have a bit easier access to the rabbit hole. Most news is still consumed via TV and Newspapers. Most events are still reported accurately. Then dedicated always on Internet shows up along with social media. This begins the downward spiral. No more dial up. You can create any type of bat shit crazy FB group/page. You can post any type of video on youtube. Now that rabbit hole is getting easier to navigate. You can start blogging or vlogging. You can setup websites via godaddy in a few clicks. More people are starting to get their news via the Internet. The news organizations start seeing this and begin their presence online. News is starting to get a bit more blurry as some of these virtual news organizations start competing with the old timers. Then we get smart phones, snapchat, instagram, etc. Now we have access to that rabbit hole wherever we are. There is almost zero effort needed to make a post to social media. Anyone with a selfie stick and a smart phone is now a reporter. Virtual "news" channels streamed from someones basement are now on ROKU or FireStick. There is no more centralize news. Everything is an opinion story. Old school news outlets have to stop being independent and start leaning one way or another to survive in the new age. All that matters now is followers, eyeballs and ad revenue. Keep your eyeballs worked up as much as possible, so they come back or go deeper into the rabbit hole. As I said of all people, we on this list should not be surprised where we are as a country. We watched this develop over the last 20+ years. Unfortunately, I really don't see how it gets better. There was always some fringe groups out there, but now there is no such thing as fringe. Everyone has now been divided into tribes. Red tribe, Blue tribe, LGQBT tribe, BLM tribe, Proud Boys tribe, Christian tribe, etc. With social media we are now free to associated with only the people that agree with us. We surround ourselves with yes men. We rarely hear "The Rest of the Story". Our believes are confirmed and reinforced each and every day until we are willing to die for them. Chris Rock in the movie Dogma had a great quote "I just think it's better to have an idea. You can change an idea; changing a belief is trickier. People die for it, people kill for it." -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.Myakka.com -- Thursday, January 7, 2021, 2:37:53 PM, you wrote: It seems like it should be pretty obvious to everyone at this point that no matter what is said on either side of these political issues that nothing is going to change the opinions and beliefs of people on the other side. No matter how much “proof” either side has to show that they are right, no one is going to change their opinion. I suppose there are always some people who straddle the fence (just watch out if you slip and it’s a picket or razor blade fence you’re straddling!) and might be swayed by something they see, but the reality is that nothing is gained by anyone by these conversations on a list like this. In fact, muc
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fence you’re straddling!) and might be swayed by > something they see, but the reality is that nothing is gained by anyone by > these conversations on a list like this. In fact, much is lost…….. > hopefully those that unsubscribed will come back. Personally, as long as > political discussions don’t get so vicious as they’ve been at times, I find > many of them entertaining. Overall though they seem to have caused more > damage to this group than any benefit they’ve ever given. > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 1:24 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB > > I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest, number > or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and compare > the two by the numbers. > > Pretty sure I am right. Just crunch the numbers. There is no “side” to > simple counting of participants times time. > > But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” . > > Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary. > My comment came very late in the day, the political argument started far > earlier. > > > > *From:* Carl Peterson > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:14 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB > > Chuck, > > I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC > crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle > crap largely done by the other side. Give and take." and not expect it to > start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and dangerously > wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't have a list > where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is > not. We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we > make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best option as there > are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up. > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > > Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain > civil to do so. > > The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and > Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. > > Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. > > No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB > > youre no fun dad > > Lent? > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > > Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of > F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. > > *From:* Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit > > That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no > so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, > no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not > outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their > consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems > to be very little that can be done to fix it. > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House > wrote: > > " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I > take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even > more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political > agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on > either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. > I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not > reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I > honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. > Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and > Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list > > > -- > *From: *"Adam Moffett" > *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit > > Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of > truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so > thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop > being a fool. >
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Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB I hated sociology when I was in college, but had to take it. I think sociology now would be fascinating. Think about how far we have degraded as a society. Of all people, the people on this list should not be surprised of where we are at. There has always been conspiracy theories. Bigfoot, Area 51, JFK, etc. But in the pre-internet days, you really had to want to be a conspiracy person to get sucked in. You had to subscribe to magazines, you had to find books at the store or library. You really had to be dedicated to that conspiracy. Most considered them urban legends, only a few took the deep dive. It also helped that 99% of the news was centralized. You watched a certain channel because you liked the person doing the reporting , not the news itself. If there was spin, it was mostly all spun in the same direction. Then came the Internet. Now we have BBS and chat rooms where these conspiracy people can virtually meet. Still not an issue because a majority of the population is still getting their news from a centralized place. CNN at this point was still main stream and in inline with the networks. Then AOL comes along and everyone starts getting on the Internet. Things start getting a little worst. Remember Bonsai Kitten. Hey, its on the Internet so it is true. Forums start popping up, some people start building their own websites, e-mail is becoming more popular. It's dial up, still takes a lot of work to get involved with the conspiracy guys. But now you have a bit easier access to the rabbit hole. Most news is still consumed via TV and Newspapers. Most events are still reported accurately. Then dedicated always on Internet shows up along with social media. This begins the downward spiral. No more dial up. You can create any type of bat shit crazy FB group/page. You can post any type of video on youtube. Now that rabbit hole is getting easier to navigate. You can start blogging or vlogging. You can setup websites via godaddy in a few clicks. More people are starting to get their news via the Internet. The news organizations start seeing this and begin their presence online. News is starting to get a bit more blurry as some of these virtual news organizations start competing with the old timers. Then we get smart phones, snapchat, instagram, etc. Now we have access to that rabbit hole wherever we are. There is almost zero effort needed to make a post to social media. Anyone with a selfie stick and a smart phone is now a reporter. Virtual "news" channels streamed from someones basement are now on ROKU or FireStick. There is no more centralize news. Everything is an opinion story. Old school news outlets have to stop being independent and start leaning one way or another to survive in the new age. All that matters now is followers, eyeballs and ad revenue. Keep your eyeballs worked up as much as possible, so they come back or go deeper into the rabbit hole. As I said of all people, we on this list should not be surprised where we are as a country. We watched this develop over the last 20+ years. Unfortunately, I really don't see how it gets better. There was always some fringe groups out there, but now there is no such thing as fringe. Everyone has now been divided into tribes. Red tribe, Blue tribe, LGQBT tribe, BLM tribe, Proud Boys tribe, Christian tribe, etc. With social media we are now free to associated with only the people that agree with us. We surround ourselves with yes men. We rarely hear "The Rest of the Story". Our believes are confirmed and reinforced each and every day until we are willing to die for them. Chris Rock in the movie Dogma had a great quote "I just think it's better to have an idea. You can change an idea; changing a belief is trickier. People die for it, people kill for it." -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.Myakka.com -- Thursday, January 7, 2021, 2:37:53 PM, you wrote: It seems like it should be pretty obvious to everyone at this point that no matter what is said on either side of these political issues that nothing is going to change the opinions and beliefs of people on the other side. No matter how much “proof” either side has to show that they are right, no one is going to change their opinion. I suppose there are always some people who straddle the fence (just watch out if you slip and it’s a picket or razor blade fence you’re straddling!) and might be swayed by something they see, but the reality is that nothing is gained by anyone by these conversations on a list like this. In fact, much is lost…….. hopefully those that unsubscribed will come back. Personally, as long as political discussions don’t get so vicious as they’ve been at times, I find many of them entertaining. Overall though they seem to have caused more damage to this group than any benefit t
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Crown being nectar hand delivered from the gods comes with no hangover. You are blessed with cranial anointment. When in the presence of something blessed by deities its understandable that the human body may feel some discomfort. its hard to put any number on that On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:39 PM Ryan Ray wrote: > Can you calculate the severity of a Crown Royal hangover vs Tequila > hangover? > > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 12:19 PM Mathew Howard > wrote: > >> When calculating the cost of a hangover, is a higher or lower dollar to >> misery ratio more desirable? >> >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:02 PM Steve Jones >> wrote: >> >>> I dont care what anyone says, sapporo is superior to most everything. >>> Heineken takes a close second. using the math, i can drink 6 heinekens and >>> 6 sapporo in the same sitting and will not be able to differentiate which >>> cause the hangover. but that is a 6 in 12 probability that it was either >>> one or the other. Pricing between the two is similar, so it would be hard >>> to nail down the ounce cost per hour of hangover to any reliable number. >>> All I know is that if it had been tequila I drank 12 of I would have either >>> had a fight or a fat girl. hangovers cant get pregnant, so the cost per >>> ounce in regard to the overall risk I would say is much higher with >>> tequila. An 18 year hangover. >>> >>> That being said, 15 years in and I still cant describe fresnel in >>> laymens terms clearly enough for a non geek to understand >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:55 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> >>>> So, since I have the bully-pulpit I will unfairly fire a final shot and >>>> then obey my own Lent proclamation. >>>> >>>> My thoughts behind my post yesterday were along these lines: >>>> We have had hundreds if not thousands of protests in DC. >>>> Pretty big one in 1812 that burned down the Capitol building... >>>> Politics have protests. >>>> 1968 was another banner year. Lots of folks killed that year. >>>> >>>> You and I obviously feel differently about an attack on the democracy. >>>> >>>> To me, this was a bunch of rednecks trying to occupy a federal building >>>> like the Bundys did in Oregon. Blowing off steam. The capitol building >>>> is a public place. If you behave yourself you normally have pretty much >>>> free run of the place as a visitor. >>>> >>>> Surprised the cops didn’t shoot more of them but still, political >>>> gatherings and protests are part of our rights to assemble. We want the >>>> cops to deescalate. I think they held themselves in check pretty well >>>> yesterday. >>>> >>>> In my opinion it was not a “literal attack on the heart of our >>>> democracy” because there was NO WAY it could have succeeded. But half the >>>> news media tried to make the case that it was. >>>> >>>> The worst thing they could have done was to delay a pro-forma >>>> procedure. And they delayed it. Even if they had occupied the capitol, >>>> the lawmakers would have convened somewhere else and done their job. If >>>> they had killed all the lawmakers, there is a procedure for the states to >>>> send new ones. >>>> >>>> We have a pretty self healing system here. Stand back and let them >>>> spend their pent up anger. Not helping much that POTUS enabled/encouraged >>>> it but, hey, he is gone. His legacy is crap, this just made it more >>>> crap.He will become a worldwide pariah. That will amuse me. >>>> >>>> So while you see one thing, I see a different thing. I see folks that >>>> get themselves worked up by 4chan and Qanon and Fox and Rush. Folks >>>> itching for a fight. Folks that never learned how to get along with >>>> others. So the sharks and jets had a rumble. Now it is over. >>>> >>>> But I stand by my metric of counting the magnitude of a riot. People >>>> times time + damage caused. Who cares why they were rioting, these things >>>> are measurable. Science B*tch. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:35 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >>>> >>>> I shouldn't have use
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But if you consider that you'll drink all of it, regardless of the size of the bottle, and whether you have 9 or 6, that makes the Lite more expensive... and I'm fairly sure you'll feel worse. On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:33 PM Steve Jones wrote: > I think lower. You want to pay less to feel bad, more to feel good 8 would > think. > > Miller lite is american, it would be third, but is my beer of choice since > it's at the beer store 2 blocks down. It has the superior aluminum bottle. > Its 18 oz instead of 12, so calculations can get off since a six pack is > nine beers, but they sell them in a nine pack so you dont realize you're > drinking 13.5 beers in a sitting. Probably psychology behind that math. > American trickery and all. It's got a pretty low dollar to misery ratio > though, so technically it might be superior to the other two on that scale. > Sapporo 10$ per 6 12 oz bottles > Heineken 9$ per 1 12 oz bottles > Lite 11 dollars per 9 18 oz aluminum bottles. > > > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 2:19 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > >> When calculating the cost of a hangover, is a higher or lower dollar to >> misery ratio more desirable? >> >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:02 PM Steve Jones >> wrote: >> >>> I dont care what anyone says, sapporo is superior to most everything. >>> Heineken takes a close second. using the math, i can drink 6 heinekens and >>> 6 sapporo in the same sitting and will not be able to differentiate which >>> cause the hangover. but that is a 6 in 12 probability that it was either >>> one or the other. Pricing between the two is similar, so it would be hard >>> to nail down the ounce cost per hour of hangover to any reliable number. >>> All I know is that if it had been tequila I drank 12 of I would have either >>> had a fight or a fat girl. hangovers cant get pregnant, so the cost per >>> ounce in regard to the overall risk I would say is much higher with >>> tequila. An 18 year hangover. >>> >>> That being said, 15 years in and I still cant describe fresnel in >>> laymens terms clearly enough for a non geek to understand >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:55 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> >>>> So, since I have the bully-pulpit I will unfairly fire a final shot and >>>> then obey my own Lent proclamation. >>>> >>>> My thoughts behind my post yesterday were along these lines: >>>> We have had hundreds if not thousands of protests in DC. >>>> Pretty big one in 1812 that burned down the Capitol building... >>>> Politics have protests. >>>> 1968 was another banner year. Lots of folks killed that year. >>>> >>>> You and I obviously feel differently about an attack on the democracy. >>>> >>>> To me, this was a bunch of rednecks trying to occupy a federal building >>>> like the Bundys did in Oregon. Blowing off steam. The capitol building >>>> is a public place. If you behave yourself you normally have pretty much >>>> free run of the place as a visitor. >>>> >>>> Surprised the cops didn’t shoot more of them but still, political >>>> gatherings and protests are part of our rights to assemble. We want the >>>> cops to deescalate. I think they held themselves in check pretty well >>>> yesterday. >>>> >>>> In my opinion it was not a “literal attack on the heart of our >>>> democracy” because there was NO WAY it could have succeeded. But half the >>>> news media tried to make the case that it was. >>>> >>>> The worst thing they could have done was to delay a pro-forma >>>> procedure. And they delayed it. Even if they had occupied the capitol, >>>> the lawmakers would have convened somewhere else and done their job. If >>>> they had killed all the lawmakers, there is a procedure for the states to >>>> send new ones. >>>> >>>> We have a pretty self healing system here. Stand back and let them >>>> spend their pent up anger. Not helping much that POTUS enabled/encouraged >>>> it but, hey, he is gone. His legacy is crap, this just made it more >>>> crap.He will become a worldwide pariah. That will amuse me. >>>> >>>> So while you see one thing, I see a different thing. I see folks that >>>> get themselves worked up by 4chan and Qanon and Fox and Rush. Folks >>>> itching for a fight. Folks that never learned how to get along with >>>> others
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Can you calculate the severity of a Crown Royal hangover vs Tequila hangover? On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 12:19 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > When calculating the cost of a hangover, is a higher or lower dollar to > misery ratio more desirable? > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:02 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> I dont care what anyone says, sapporo is superior to most everything. >> Heineken takes a close second. using the math, i can drink 6 heinekens and >> 6 sapporo in the same sitting and will not be able to differentiate which >> cause the hangover. but that is a 6 in 12 probability that it was either >> one or the other. Pricing between the two is similar, so it would be hard >> to nail down the ounce cost per hour of hangover to any reliable number. >> All I know is that if it had been tequila I drank 12 of I would have either >> had a fight or a fat girl. hangovers cant get pregnant, so the cost per >> ounce in regard to the overall risk I would say is much higher with >> tequila. An 18 year hangover. >> >> That being said, 15 years in and I still cant describe fresnel in laymens >> terms clearly enough for a non geek to understand >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:55 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> So, since I have the bully-pulpit I will unfairly fire a final shot and >>> then obey my own Lent proclamation. >>> >>> My thoughts behind my post yesterday were along these lines: >>> We have had hundreds if not thousands of protests in DC. >>> Pretty big one in 1812 that burned down the Capitol building... >>> Politics have protests. >>> 1968 was another banner year. Lots of folks killed that year. >>> >>> You and I obviously feel differently about an attack on the democracy. >>> >>> To me, this was a bunch of rednecks trying to occupy a federal building >>> like the Bundys did in Oregon. Blowing off steam. The capitol building >>> is a public place. If you behave yourself you normally have pretty much >>> free run of the place as a visitor. >>> >>> Surprised the cops didn’t shoot more of them but still, political >>> gatherings and protests are part of our rights to assemble. We want the >>> cops to deescalate. I think they held themselves in check pretty well >>> yesterday. >>> >>> In my opinion it was not a “literal attack on the heart of our >>> democracy” because there was NO WAY it could have succeeded. But half the >>> news media tried to make the case that it was. >>> >>> The worst thing they could have done was to delay a pro-forma >>> procedure. And they delayed it. Even if they had occupied the capitol, >>> the lawmakers would have convened somewhere else and done their job. If >>> they had killed all the lawmakers, there is a procedure for the states to >>> send new ones. >>> >>> We have a pretty self healing system here. Stand back and let them >>> spend their pent up anger. Not helping much that POTUS enabled/encouraged >>> it but, hey, he is gone. His legacy is crap, this just made it more >>> crap.He will become a worldwide pariah. That will amuse me. >>> >>> So while you see one thing, I see a different thing. I see folks that >>> get themselves worked up by 4chan and Qanon and Fox and Rush. Folks >>> itching for a fight. Folks that never learned how to get along with >>> others. So the sharks and jets had a rumble. Now it is over. >>> >>> But I stand by my metric of counting the magnitude of a riot. People >>> times time + damage caused. Who cares why they were rioting, these things >>> are measurable. Science B*tch. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:35 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >>> >>> I shouldn't have used "BS". >>> >>> As others have pointed out, one was a literal attack on the heart of our >>> democracy, encouraged and incited (IMHO) by the president of our country. >>> Not much can come close to that. You could burn all of Portland and it >>> wouldn't come close. Then again I care a lot more about our democracy then >>> I care about Portland. >>> >>> Just say what the rules re OT politics are. We will follow them. >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I could argue number of people
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At least not in the subject line On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 2:24 PM James Howard wrote: > Are you saying that UBNT is one of the 4 letter words that Chuck said we > need to stop using? > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:17 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB > > > > it doesnt have to, all you have to do is accept that butter is a primary > food group and kale has no business on a plate. Fish Food is for fish, not > people. That truly is the only way to move forward. That and not using UBNT > > > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:12 PM Cameron Crum wrote: > > Aaaanddd it just keeps going. > > > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:07 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > > You can call Godwin's law if you want to, but I am going to draw a certain > parallel with history: > > A lot of people in Germany were convinced in their heart of hearts that > certain groups of people were destroying their country: Jews, Communists, > Slavs, Gypsies, etc. > > A lot of people in this country are now convinced in their heart of hearts > that certain groups of people are destroying their country: pedophiles, > communists, "elites", the gay agenda, Hispanic migrants, etc. > > The parallel is that they were utterly, factually wrong in both cases, but > in both cases they were so sure of their correctness that they were willing > to take drastic action. As long as people cling to their alternative set > of facts the logical conclusion will be that they have to take action to > stop the evil pedophile, communist, etc people who are destroying their > country. > > You're thinking they've blown off steam and it's over, and I hope you're > right, but I think it's just starting. > > > > On 1/7/2021 2:54 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > So, since I have the bully-pulpit I will unfairly fire a final shot and > then obey my own Lent proclamation. > > > > My thoughts behind my post yesterday were along these lines: > > We have had hundreds if not thousands of protests in DC. > > Pretty big one in 1812 that burned down the Capitol building... > > Politics have protests. > > 1968 was another banner year. Lots of folks killed that year. > > > > You and I obviously feel differently about an attack on the democracy. > > > > To me, this was a bunch of rednecks trying to occupy a federal building > like the Bundys did in Oregon. Blowing off steam. The capitol building > is a public place. If you behave yourself you normally have pretty much > free run of the place as a visitor. > > > > Surprised the cops didn’t shoot more of them but still, political > gatherings and protests are part of our rights to assemble. We want the > cops to deescalate. I think they held themselves in check pretty well > yesterday. > > > > In my opinion it was not a “literal attack on the heart of our democracy” > because there was NO WAY it could have succeeded. But half the news media > tried to make the case that it was. > > > > The worst thing they could have done was to delay a pro-forma procedure. > And they delayed it. Even if they had occupied the capitol, the lawmakers > would have convened somewhere else and done their job. If they had killed > all the lawmakers, there is a procedure for the states to send new ones. > > > > We have a pretty self healing system here. Stand back and let them spend > their pent up anger. Not helping much that POTUS enabled/encouraged it > but, hey, he is gone. His legacy is crap, this just made it more crap. > He will become a worldwide pariah. That will amuse me. > > > > So while you see one thing, I see a different thing. I see folks that get > themselves worked up by 4chan and Qanon and Fox and Rush. Folks itching > for a fight. Folks that never learned how to get along with others. So > the sharks and jets had a rumble. Now it is over. > > > > But I stand by my metric of counting the magnitude of a riot. People > times time + damage caused. Who cares why they were rioting, these things > are measurable. Science B*tch. > > > > > > > > *From:* Carl Peterson > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:35 PM > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB > > > > I shouldn't have used "BS". > > > > As others have pointed out, one was a literal attack on the heart of our > democracy, encouraged and incited (IMHO) by the president of our country. > Not much can come close to that. You could burn all of Portland and it > wouldn't come close. Then again I care a lot more about o
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I think lower. You want to pay less to feel bad, more to feel good 8 would think. Miller lite is american, it would be third, but is my beer of choice since it's at the beer store 2 blocks down. It has the superior aluminum bottle. Its 18 oz instead of 12, so calculations can get off since a six pack is nine beers, but they sell them in a nine pack so you dont realize you're drinking 13.5 beers in a sitting. Probably psychology behind that math. American trickery and all. It's got a pretty low dollar to misery ratio though, so technically it might be superior to the other two on that scale. Sapporo 10$ per 6 12 oz bottles Heineken 9$ per 1 12 oz bottles Lite 11 dollars per 9 18 oz aluminum bottles. On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 2:19 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > When calculating the cost of a hangover, is a higher or lower dollar to > misery ratio more desirable? > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:02 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> I dont care what anyone says, sapporo is superior to most everything. >> Heineken takes a close second. using the math, i can drink 6 heinekens and >> 6 sapporo in the same sitting and will not be able to differentiate which >> cause the hangover. but that is a 6 in 12 probability that it was either >> one or the other. Pricing between the two is similar, so it would be hard >> to nail down the ounce cost per hour of hangover to any reliable number. >> All I know is that if it had been tequila I drank 12 of I would have either >> had a fight or a fat girl. hangovers cant get pregnant, so the cost per >> ounce in regard to the overall risk I would say is much higher with >> tequila. An 18 year hangover. >> >> That being said, 15 years in and I still cant describe fresnel in laymens >> terms clearly enough for a non geek to understand >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:55 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> So, since I have the bully-pulpit I will unfairly fire a final shot and >>> then obey my own Lent proclamation. >>> >>> My thoughts behind my post yesterday were along these lines: >>> We have had hundreds if not thousands of protests in DC. >>> Pretty big one in 1812 that burned down the Capitol building... >>> Politics have protests. >>> 1968 was another banner year. Lots of folks killed that year. >>> >>> You and I obviously feel differently about an attack on the democracy. >>> >>> To me, this was a bunch of rednecks trying to occupy a federal building >>> like the Bundys did in Oregon. Blowing off steam. The capitol building >>> is a public place. If you behave yourself you normally have pretty much >>> free run of the place as a visitor. >>> >>> Surprised the cops didn’t shoot more of them but still, political >>> gatherings and protests are part of our rights to assemble. We want the >>> cops to deescalate. I think they held themselves in check pretty well >>> yesterday. >>> >>> In my opinion it was not a “literal attack on the heart of our >>> democracy” because there was NO WAY it could have succeeded. But half the >>> news media tried to make the case that it was. >>> >>> The worst thing they could have done was to delay a pro-forma >>> procedure. And they delayed it. Even if they had occupied the capitol, >>> the lawmakers would have convened somewhere else and done their job. If >>> they had killed all the lawmakers, there is a procedure for the states to >>> send new ones. >>> >>> We have a pretty self healing system here. Stand back and let them >>> spend their pent up anger. Not helping much that POTUS enabled/encouraged >>> it but, hey, he is gone. His legacy is crap, this just made it more >>> crap.He will become a worldwide pariah. That will amuse me. >>> >>> So while you see one thing, I see a different thing. I see folks that >>> get themselves worked up by 4chan and Qanon and Fox and Rush. Folks >>> itching for a fight. Folks that never learned how to get along with >>> others. So the sharks and jets had a rumble. Now it is over. >>> >>> But I stand by my metric of counting the magnitude of a riot. People >>> times time + damage caused. Who cares why they were rioting, these things >>> are measurable. Science B*tch. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:35 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >>> >>> I shouldn't have used "BS". >>> >&
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Lent From: James Howard Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 1:23 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB Are you saying that UBNT is one of the 4 letter words that Chuck said we need to stop using? From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:17 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB it doesnt have to, all you have to do is accept that butter is a primary food group and kale has no business on a plate. Fish Food is for fish, not people. That truly is the only way to move forward. That and not using UBNT On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:12 PM Cameron Crum wrote: Aaaanddd it just keeps going. On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:07 PM Adam Moffett wrote: You can call Godwin's law if you want to, but I am going to draw a certain parallel with history: A lot of people in Germany were convinced in their heart of hearts that certain groups of people were destroying their country: Jews, Communists, Slavs, Gypsies, etc. A lot of people in this country are now convinced in their heart of hearts that certain groups of people are destroying their country: pedophiles, communists, "elites", the gay agenda, Hispanic migrants, etc. The parallel is that they were utterly, factually wrong in both cases, but in both cases they were so sure of their correctness that they were willing to take drastic action. As long as people cling to their alternative set of facts the logical conclusion will be that they have to take action to stop the evil pedophile, communist, etc people who are destroying their country. You're thinking they've blown off steam and it's over, and I hope you're right, but I think it's just starting. On 1/7/2021 2:54 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: So, since I have the bully-pulpit I will unfairly fire a final shot and then obey my own Lent proclamation. My thoughts behind my post yesterday were along these lines: We have had hundreds if not thousands of protests in DC. Pretty big one in 1812 that burned down the Capitol building... Politics have protests. 1968 was another banner year. Lots of folks killed that year. You and I obviously feel differently about an attack on the democracy. To me, this was a bunch of rednecks trying to occupy a federal building like the Bundys did in Oregon. Blowing off steam. The capitol building is a public place. If you behave yourself you normally have pretty much free run of the place as a visitor. Surprised the cops didn’t shoot more of them but still, political gatherings and protests are part of our rights to assemble. We want the cops to deescalate. I think they held themselves in check pretty well yesterday. In my opinion it was not a “literal attack on the heart of our democracy” because there was NO WAY it could have succeeded. But half the news media tried to make the case that it was. The worst thing they could have done was to delay a pro-forma procedure. And they delayed it. Even if they had occupied the capitol, the lawmakers would have convened somewhere else and done their job. If they had killed all the lawmakers, there is a procedure for the states to send new ones. We have a pretty self healing system here. Stand back and let them spend their pent up anger. Not helping much that POTUS enabled/encouraged it but, hey, he is gone. His legacy is crap, this just made it more crap.He will become a worldwide pariah. That will amuse me. So while you see one thing, I see a different thing. I see folks that get themselves worked up by 4chan and Qanon and Fox and Rush. Folks itching for a fight. Folks that never learned how to get along with others. So the sharks and jets had a rumble. Now it is over. But I stand by my metric of counting the magnitude of a riot. People times time + damage caused. Who cares why they were rioting, these things are measurable. Science B*tch. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB I shouldn't have used "BS". As others have pointed out, one was a literal attack on the heart of our democracy, encouraged and incited (IMHO) by the president of our country. Not much can come close to that. You could burn all of Portland and it wouldn't come close. Then again I care a lot more about our democracy then I care about Portland. Just say what the rules re OT politics are. We will follow them. On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest, n
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Are you saying that UBNT is one of the 4 letter words that Chuck said we need to stop using? From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:17 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB it doesnt have to, all you have to do is accept that butter is a primary food group and kale has no business on a plate. Fish Food is for fish, not people. That truly is the only way to move forward. That and not using UBNT On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:12 PM Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com>> wrote: Aaaanddd it just keeps going. On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:07 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: You can call Godwin's law if you want to, but I am going to draw a certain parallel with history: A lot of people in Germany were convinced in their heart of hearts that certain groups of people were destroying their country: Jews, Communists, Slavs, Gypsies, etc. A lot of people in this country are now convinced in their heart of hearts that certain groups of people are destroying their country: pedophiles, communists, "elites", the gay agenda, Hispanic migrants, etc. The parallel is that they were utterly, factually wrong in both cases, but in both cases they were so sure of their correctness that they were willing to take drastic action. As long as people cling to their alternative set of facts the logical conclusion will be that they have to take action to stop the evil pedophile, communist, etc people who are destroying their country. You're thinking they've blown off steam and it's over, and I hope you're right, but I think it's just starting. On 1/7/2021 2:54 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: So, since I have the bully-pulpit I will unfairly fire a final shot and then obey my own Lent proclamation. My thoughts behind my post yesterday were along these lines: We have had hundreds if not thousands of protests in DC. Pretty big one in 1812 that burned down the Capitol building... Politics have protests. 1968 was another banner year. Lots of folks killed that year. You and I obviously feel differently about an attack on the democracy. To me, this was a bunch of rednecks trying to occupy a federal building like the Bundys did in Oregon. Blowing off steam. The capitol building is a public place. If you behave yourself you normally have pretty much free run of the place as a visitor. Surprised the cops didn’t shoot more of them but still, political gatherings and protests are part of our rights to assemble. We want the cops to deescalate. I think they held themselves in check pretty well yesterday. In my opinion it was not a “literal attack on the heart of our democracy” because there was NO WAY it could have succeeded. But half the news media tried to make the case that it was. The worst thing they could have done was to delay a pro-forma procedure. And they delayed it. Even if they had occupied the capitol, the lawmakers would have convened somewhere else and done their job. If they had killed all the lawmakers, there is a procedure for the states to send new ones. We have a pretty self healing system here. Stand back and let them spend their pent up anger. Not helping much that POTUS enabled/encouraged it but, hey, he is gone. His legacy is crap, this just made it more crap.He will become a worldwide pariah. That will amuse me. So while you see one thing, I see a different thing. I see folks that get themselves worked up by 4chan and Qanon and Fox and Rush. Folks itching for a fight. Folks that never learned how to get along with others. So the sharks and jets had a rumble. Now it is over. But I stand by my metric of counting the magnitude of a riot. People times time + damage caused. Who cares why they were rioting, these things are measurable. Science B*tch. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB I shouldn't have used "BS". As others have pointed out, one was a literal attack on the heart of our democracy, encouraged and incited (IMHO) by the president of our country. Not much can come close to that. You could burn all of Portland and it wouldn't come close. Then again I care a lot more about our democracy then I care about Portland. Just say what the rules re OT politics are. We will follow them. On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest, number or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and compare the two by the numbers. Pretty sure I am right. Just crunch the numbers. There is no “side” to simple counting of participants times time. But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” . Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary. My comment came very late in the day, the political argument started far earlier.
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This is an outrage. You didn’t list one American alcoholic drink in your choices. Asian beer, Dutch beer and Mexican liquor. Where is your patriotism man? From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 2:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB I dont care what anyone says, sapporo is superior to most everything. Heineken takes a close second. using the math, i can drink 6 heinekens and 6 sapporo in the same sitting and will not be able to differentiate which cause the hangover. but that is a 6 in 12 probability that it was either one or the other. Pricing between the two is similar, so it would be hard to nail down the ounce cost per hour of hangover to any reliable number. All I know is that if it had been tequila I drank 12 of I would have either had a fight or a fat girl. hangovers cant get pregnant, so the cost per ounce in regard to the overall risk I would say is much higher with tequila. An 18 year hangover. That being said, 15 years in and I still cant describe fresnel in laymens terms clearly enough for a non geek to understand On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:55 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: So, since I have the bully-pulpit I will unfairly fire a final shot and then obey my own Lent proclamation. My thoughts behind my post yesterday were along these lines: We have had hundreds if not thousands of protests in DC. Pretty big one in 1812 that burned down the Capitol building... Politics have protests. 1968 was another banner year. Lots of folks killed that year. You and I obviously feel differently about an attack on the democracy. To me, this was a bunch of rednecks trying to occupy a federal building like the Bundys did in Oregon. Blowing off steam. The capitol building is a public place. If you behave yourself you normally have pretty much free run of the place as a visitor. Surprised the cops didn’t shoot more of them but still, political gatherings and protests are part of our rights to assemble. We want the cops to deescalate. I think they held themselves in check pretty well yesterday. In my opinion it was not a “literal attack on the heart of our democracy” because there was NO WAY it could have succeeded. But half the news media tried to make the case that it was. The worst thing they could have done was to delay a pro-forma procedure. And they delayed it. Even if they had occupied the capitol, the lawmakers would have convened somewhere else and done their job. If they had killed all the lawmakers, there is a procedure for the states to send new ones. We have a pretty self healing system here. Stand back and let them spend their pent up anger. Not helping much that POTUS enabled/encouraged it but, hey, he is gone. His legacy is crap, this just made it more crap.He will become a worldwide pariah. That will amuse me. So while you see one thing, I see a different thing. I see folks that get themselves worked up by 4chan and Qanon and Fox and Rush. Folks itching for a fight. Folks that never learned how to get along with others. So the sharks and jets had a rumble. Now it is over. But I stand by my metric of counting the magnitude of a riot. People times time + damage caused. Who cares why they were rioting, these things are measurable. Science B*tch. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB I shouldn't have used "BS". As others have pointed out, one was a literal attack on the heart of our democracy, encouraged and incited (IMHO) by the president of our country. Not much can come close to that. You could burn all of Portland and it wouldn't come close. Then again I care a lot more about our democracy then I care about Portland. Just say what the rules re OT politics are. We will follow them. On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest, number or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and compare the two by the numbers. Pretty sure I am right. Just crunch the numbers. There is no “side” to simple counting of participants times time. But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” . Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary. My comment came very late in the day, the political argument started far earlier. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB Chuck, I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take." and not expect it to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding
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When calculating the cost of a hangover, is a higher or lower dollar to misery ratio more desirable? On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:02 PM Steve Jones wrote: > I dont care what anyone says, sapporo is superior to most everything. > Heineken takes a close second. using the math, i can drink 6 heinekens and > 6 sapporo in the same sitting and will not be able to differentiate which > cause the hangover. but that is a 6 in 12 probability that it was either > one or the other. Pricing between the two is similar, so it would be hard > to nail down the ounce cost per hour of hangover to any reliable number. > All I know is that if it had been tequila I drank 12 of I would have either > had a fight or a fat girl. hangovers cant get pregnant, so the cost per > ounce in regard to the overall risk I would say is much higher with > tequila. An 18 year hangover. > > That being said, 15 years in and I still cant describe fresnel in laymens > terms clearly enough for a non geek to understand > > > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:55 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> So, since I have the bully-pulpit I will unfairly fire a final shot and >> then obey my own Lent proclamation. >> >> My thoughts behind my post yesterday were along these lines: >> We have had hundreds if not thousands of protests in DC. >> Pretty big one in 1812 that burned down the Capitol building... >> Politics have protests. >> 1968 was another banner year. Lots of folks killed that year. >> >> You and I obviously feel differently about an attack on the democracy. >> >> To me, this was a bunch of rednecks trying to occupy a federal building >> like the Bundys did in Oregon. Blowing off steam. The capitol building >> is a public place. If you behave yourself you normally have pretty much >> free run of the place as a visitor. >> >> Surprised the cops didn’t shoot more of them but still, political >> gatherings and protests are part of our rights to assemble. We want the >> cops to deescalate. I think they held themselves in check pretty well >> yesterday. >> >> In my opinion it was not a “literal attack on the heart of our democracy” >> because there was NO WAY it could have succeeded. But half the news media >> tried to make the case that it was. >> >> The worst thing they could have done was to delay a pro-forma procedure. >> And they delayed it. Even if they had occupied the capitol, the lawmakers >> would have convened somewhere else and done their job. If they had killed >> all the lawmakers, there is a procedure for the states to send new ones. >> >> We have a pretty self healing system here. Stand back and let them spend >> their pent up anger. Not helping much that POTUS enabled/encouraged it >> but, hey, he is gone. His legacy is crap, this just made it more crap. >> He will become a worldwide pariah. That will amuse me. >> >> So while you see one thing, I see a different thing. I see folks that >> get themselves worked up by 4chan and Qanon and Fox and Rush. Folks >> itching for a fight. Folks that never learned how to get along with >> others. So the sharks and jets had a rumble. Now it is over. >> >> But I stand by my metric of counting the magnitude of a riot. People >> times time + damage caused. Who cares why they were rioting, these things >> are measurable. Science B*tch. >> >> >> >> *From:* Carl Peterson >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:35 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >> >> I shouldn't have used "BS". >> >> As others have pointed out, one was a literal attack on the heart of our >> democracy, encouraged and incited (IMHO) by the president of our country. >> Not much can come close to that. You could burn all of Portland and it >> wouldn't come close. Then again I care a lot more about our democracy then >> I care about Portland. >> >> Just say what the rules re OT politics are. We will follow them. >> >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest, >>> number or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and >>> compare the two by the numbers. >>> >>> Pretty sure I am right. Just crunch the numbers. There is no “side” to >>> simple counting of participants times time. >>> >>> But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” . >>> >>> Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary. >>> My comment came very late in the d
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it doesnt have to, all you have to do is accept that butter is a primary food group and kale has no business on a plate. Fish Food is for fish, not people. That truly is the only way to move forward. That and not using UBNT On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:12 PM Cameron Crum wrote: > Aaaanddd it just keeps going. > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:07 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > >> You can call Godwin's law if you want to, but I am going to draw a >> certain parallel with history: >> >> A lot of people in Germany were convinced in their heart of hearts that >> certain groups of people were destroying their country: Jews, Communists, >> Slavs, Gypsies, etc. >> >> A lot of people in this country are now convinced in their heart of >> hearts that certain groups of people are destroying their country: >> pedophiles, communists, "elites", the gay agenda, Hispanic migrants, etc. >> >> The parallel is that they were utterly, factually wrong in both cases, >> but in both cases they were so sure of their correctness that they were >> willing to take drastic action. As long as people cling to their >> alternative set of facts the logical conclusion will be that they have to >> take action to stop the evil pedophile, communist, etc people who are >> destroying their country. >> >> You're thinking they've blown off steam and it's over, and I hope you're >> right, but I think it's just starting. >> >> >> On 1/7/2021 2:54 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: >> >> So, since I have the bully-pulpit I will unfairly fire a final shot and >> then obey my own Lent proclamation. >> >> My thoughts behind my post yesterday were along these lines: >> We have had hundreds if not thousands of protests in DC. >> Pretty big one in 1812 that burned down the Capitol building... >> Politics have protests. >> 1968 was another banner year. Lots of folks killed that year. >> >> You and I obviously feel differently about an attack on the democracy. >> >> To me, this was a bunch of rednecks trying to occupy a federal building >> like the Bundys did in Oregon. Blowing off steam. The capitol building >> is a public place. If you behave yourself you normally have pretty much >> free run of the place as a visitor. >> >> Surprised the cops didn’t shoot more of them but still, political >> gatherings and protests are part of our rights to assemble. We want the >> cops to deescalate. I think they held themselves in check pretty well >> yesterday. >> >> In my opinion it was not a “literal attack on the heart of our democracy” >> because there was NO WAY it could have succeeded. But half the news media >> tried to make the case that it was. >> >> The worst thing they could have done was to delay a pro-forma procedure. >> And they delayed it. Even if they had occupied the capitol, the lawmakers >> would have convened somewhere else and done their job. If they had killed >> all the lawmakers, there is a procedure for the states to send new ones. >> >> We have a pretty self healing system here. Stand back and let them spend >> their pent up anger. Not helping much that POTUS enabled/encouraged it >> but, hey, he is gone. His legacy is crap, this just made it more crap. >> He will become a worldwide pariah. That will amuse me. >> >> So while you see one thing, I see a different thing. I see folks that >> get themselves worked up by 4chan and Qanon and Fox and Rush. Folks >> itching for a fight. Folks that never learned how to get along with >> others. So the sharks and jets had a rumble. Now it is over. >> >> But I stand by my metric of counting the magnitude of a riot. People >> times time + damage caused. Who cares why they were rioting, these things >> are measurable. Science B*tch. >> >> >> >> *From:* Carl Peterson >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:35 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >> >> I shouldn't have used "BS". >> >> As others have pointed out, one was a literal attack on the heart of our >> democracy, encouraged and incited (IMHO) by the president of our country. >> Not much can come close to that. You could burn all of Portland and it >> wouldn't come close. Then again I care a lot more about our democracy then >> I care about Portland. >> >> Just say what the rules re OT politics are. We will follow them. >> >> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> I could argue number of people involved, number
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Aaaanddd it just keeps going. On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:07 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > You can call Godwin's law if you want to, but I am going to draw a certain > parallel with history: > > A lot of people in Germany were convinced in their heart of hearts that > certain groups of people were destroying their country: Jews, Communists, > Slavs, Gypsies, etc. > > A lot of people in this country are now convinced in their heart of hearts > that certain groups of people are destroying their country: pedophiles, > communists, "elites", the gay agenda, Hispanic migrants, etc. > > The parallel is that they were utterly, factually wrong in both cases, but > in both cases they were so sure of their correctness that they were willing > to take drastic action. As long as people cling to their alternative set > of facts the logical conclusion will be that they have to take action to > stop the evil pedophile, communist, etc people who are destroying their > country. > > You're thinking they've blown off steam and it's over, and I hope you're > right, but I think it's just starting. > > > On 1/7/2021 2:54 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > > So, since I have the bully-pulpit I will unfairly fire a final shot and > then obey my own Lent proclamation. > > My thoughts behind my post yesterday were along these lines: > We have had hundreds if not thousands of protests in DC. > Pretty big one in 1812 that burned down the Capitol building... > Politics have protests. > 1968 was another banner year. Lots of folks killed that year. > > You and I obviously feel differently about an attack on the democracy. > > To me, this was a bunch of rednecks trying to occupy a federal building > like the Bundys did in Oregon. Blowing off steam. The capitol building > is a public place. If you behave yourself you normally have pretty much > free run of the place as a visitor. > > Surprised the cops didn’t shoot more of them but still, political > gatherings and protests are part of our rights to assemble. We want the > cops to deescalate. I think they held themselves in check pretty well > yesterday. > > In my opinion it was not a “literal attack on the heart of our democracy” > because there was NO WAY it could have succeeded. But half the news media > tried to make the case that it was. > > The worst thing they could have done was to delay a pro-forma procedure. > And they delayed it. Even if they had occupied the capitol, the lawmakers > would have convened somewhere else and done their job. If they had killed > all the lawmakers, there is a procedure for the states to send new ones. > > We have a pretty self healing system here. Stand back and let them spend > their pent up anger. Not helping much that POTUS enabled/encouraged it > but, hey, he is gone. His legacy is crap, this just made it more crap. > He will become a worldwide pariah. That will amuse me. > > So while you see one thing, I see a different thing. I see folks that get > themselves worked up by 4chan and Qanon and Fox and Rush. Folks itching > for a fight. Folks that never learned how to get along with others. So > the sharks and jets had a rumble. Now it is over. > > But I stand by my metric of counting the magnitude of a riot. People > times time + damage caused. Who cares why they were rioting, these things > are measurable. Science B*tch. > > > > *From:* Carl Peterson > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:35 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB > > I shouldn't have used "BS". > > As others have pointed out, one was a literal attack on the heart of our > democracy, encouraged and incited (IMHO) by the president of our country. > Not much can come close to that. You could burn all of Portland and it > wouldn't come close. Then again I care a lot more about our democracy then > I care about Portland. > > Just say what the rules re OT politics are. We will follow them. > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest, >> number or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and >> compare the two by the numbers. >> >> Pretty sure I am right. Just crunch the numbers. There is no “side” to >> simple counting of participants times time. >> >> But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” . >> >> Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary. >> My comment came very late in the day, the political argument started far >> earlier. >> >> >> >> *From:* Carl Peterson >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:14 PM >> *To:* AnimalFa
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You can call Godwin's law if you want to, but I am going to draw a certain parallel with history: A lot of people in Germany were convinced in their heart of hearts that certain groups of people were destroying their country: Jews, Communists, Slavs, Gypsies, etc. A lot of people in this country are now convinced in their heart of hearts that certain groups of people are destroying their country: pedophiles, communists, "elites", the gay agenda, Hispanic migrants, etc. The parallel is that they were utterly, factually wrong in both cases, but in both cases they were so sure of their correctness that they were willing to take drastic action. As long as people cling to their alternative set of facts the logical conclusion will be that they have to take action to stop the evil pedophile, communist, etc people who are destroying their country. You're thinking they've blown off steam and it's over, and I hope you're right, but I think it's just starting. On 1/7/2021 2:54 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: So, since I have the bully-pulpit I will unfairly fire a final shot and then obey my own Lent proclamation. My thoughts behind my post yesterday were along these lines: We have had hundreds if not thousands of protests in DC. Pretty big one in 1812 that burned down the Capitol building... Politics have protests. 1968 was another banner year. Lots of folks killed that year. You and I obviously feel differently about an attack on the democracy. To me, this was a bunch of rednecks trying to occupy a federal building like the Bundys did in Oregon. Blowing off steam. The capitol building is a public place. If you behave yourself you normally have pretty much free run of the place as a visitor. Surprised the cops didn’t shoot more of them but still, political gatherings and protests are part of our rights to assemble. We want the cops to deescalate. I think they held themselves in check pretty well yesterday. In my opinion it was not a “literal attack on the heart of our democracy” because there was NO WAY it could have succeeded. But half the news media tried to make the case that it was. The worst thing they could have done was to delay a pro-forma procedure. And they delayed it. Even if they had occupied the capitol, the lawmakers would have convened somewhere else and done their job. If they had killed all the lawmakers, there is a procedure for the states to send new ones. We have a pretty self healing system here. Stand back and let them spend their pent up anger. Not helping much that POTUS enabled/encouraged it but, hey, he is gone. His legacy is crap, this just made it more crap. He will become a worldwide pariah. That will amuse me. So while you see one thing, I see a different thing. I see folks that get themselves worked up by 4chan and Qanon and Fox and Rush. Folks itching for a fight. Folks that never learned how to get along with others. So the sharks and jets had a rumble. Now it is over. But I stand by my metric of counting the magnitude of a riot. People times time + damage caused. Who cares why they were rioting, these things are measurable. Science B*tch. *From:* Carl Peterson *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:35 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB I shouldn't have used "BS". As others have pointed out, one was a literal attack on the heart of our democracy, encouraged and incited (IMHO) by the president of our country. Not much can come close to that. You could burn all of Portland and it wouldn't come close. Then again I care a lot more about our democracy then I care about Portland. Just say what the rules re OT politics are. We will follow them. On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest, number or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and compare the two by the numbers. Pretty sure I am right. Just crunch the numbers. There is no “side” to simple counting of participants times time. But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” . Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary. My comment came very late in the day, the political argument started far earlier. *From:* Carl Peterson *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:14 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB Chuck, I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take." and not expect it to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is not. We either allo
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I dont care what anyone says, sapporo is superior to most everything. Heineken takes a close second. using the math, i can drink 6 heinekens and 6 sapporo in the same sitting and will not be able to differentiate which cause the hangover. but that is a 6 in 12 probability that it was either one or the other. Pricing between the two is similar, so it would be hard to nail down the ounce cost per hour of hangover to any reliable number. All I know is that if it had been tequila I drank 12 of I would have either had a fight or a fat girl. hangovers cant get pregnant, so the cost per ounce in regard to the overall risk I would say is much higher with tequila. An 18 year hangover. That being said, 15 years in and I still cant describe fresnel in laymens terms clearly enough for a non geek to understand On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:55 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > So, since I have the bully-pulpit I will unfairly fire a final shot and > then obey my own Lent proclamation. > > My thoughts behind my post yesterday were along these lines: > We have had hundreds if not thousands of protests in DC. > Pretty big one in 1812 that burned down the Capitol building... > Politics have protests. > 1968 was another banner year. Lots of folks killed that year. > > You and I obviously feel differently about an attack on the democracy. > > To me, this was a bunch of rednecks trying to occupy a federal building > like the Bundys did in Oregon. Blowing off steam. The capitol building > is a public place. If you behave yourself you normally have pretty much > free run of the place as a visitor. > > Surprised the cops didn’t shoot more of them but still, political > gatherings and protests are part of our rights to assemble. We want the > cops to deescalate. I think they held themselves in check pretty well > yesterday. > > In my opinion it was not a “literal attack on the heart of our democracy” > because there was NO WAY it could have succeeded. But half the news media > tried to make the case that it was. > > The worst thing they could have done was to delay a pro-forma procedure. > And they delayed it. Even if they had occupied the capitol, the lawmakers > would have convened somewhere else and done their job. If they had killed > all the lawmakers, there is a procedure for the states to send new ones. > > We have a pretty self healing system here. Stand back and let them spend > their pent up anger. Not helping much that POTUS enabled/encouraged it > but, hey, he is gone. His legacy is crap, this just made it more crap. > He will become a worldwide pariah. That will amuse me. > > So while you see one thing, I see a different thing. I see folks that get > themselves worked up by 4chan and Qanon and Fox and Rush. Folks itching > for a fight. Folks that never learned how to get along with others. So > the sharks and jets had a rumble. Now it is over. > > But I stand by my metric of counting the magnitude of a riot. People > times time + damage caused. Who cares why they were rioting, these things > are measurable. Science B*tch. > > > > *From:* Carl Peterson > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:35 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB > > I shouldn't have used "BS". > > As others have pointed out, one was a literal attack on the heart of our > democracy, encouraged and incited (IMHO) by the president of our country. > Not much can come close to that. You could burn all of Portland and it > wouldn't come close. Then again I care a lot more about our democracy then > I care about Portland. > > Just say what the rules re OT politics are. We will follow them. > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest, >> number or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and >> compare the two by the numbers. >> >> Pretty sure I am right. Just crunch the numbers. There is no “side” to >> simple counting of participants times time. >> >> But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” . >> >> Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary. >> My comment came very late in the day, the political argument started far >> earlier. >> >> >> >> *From:* Carl Peterson >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:14 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >> >> Chuck, >> >> I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The >> DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and >> Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take." and not &g
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Also be sure to count how many pipe bombs were planted at party offices, how many guns were confiscated by police, how many coolers filled with molotov cocktails, how many US presidents encourage the action, how many national capitols were broken into, how much mail was stolen from senator's desks, etc. If we're talking about number of people hurt, $ of damage, etc, then none of it even holds a candle to Los Angeles 1992. In LA they did several times more damage in one week than was done in Portland over a few months. But are these comparisons actually useful or informative? Or are they just efforts to downplay bad behavior? On 1/7/2021 2:23 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest, number or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and compare the two by the numbers. Pretty sure I am right. Just crunch the numbers. There is no “side” to simple counting of participants times time. But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” . Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary. My comment came very late in the day, the political argument started far earlier. *From:* Carl Peterson *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:14 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB Chuck, I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take." and not expect it to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is not. We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain civil to do so. The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. *From:* Steve Jones *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB youre no fun dad Lent? On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. *From:* Mathew Howard *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems to be very little that can be done to fix it. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House wrote: " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list *From: *"Adam Moffett" *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" *Sent: *Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop being
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So, since I have the bully-pulpit I will unfairly fire a final shot and then
obey my own Lent proclamation.
My thoughts behind my post yesterday were along these lines:
We have had hundreds if not thousands of protests in DC.
Pretty big one in 1812 that burned down the Capitol building...
Politics have protests.
1968 was another banner year. Lots of folks killed that year.
You and I obviously feel differently about an attack on the democracy.
To me, this was a bunch of rednecks trying to occupy a federal building like
the Bundys did in Oregon. Blowing off steam. The capitol building is a
public place. If you behave yourself you normally have pretty much free run of
the place as a visitor.
Surprised the cops didn’t shoot more of them but still, political gatherings
and protests are part of our rights to assemble. We want the cops to
deescalate. I think they held themselves in check pretty well yesterday.
In my opinion it was not a “literal attack on the heart of our democracy”
because there was NO WAY it could have succeeded. But half the news media
tried to make the case that it was.
The worst thing they could have done was to delay a pro-forma procedure. And
they delayed it. Even if they had occupied the capitol, the lawmakers would
have convened somewhere else and done their job. If they had killed all the
lawmakers, there is a procedure for the states to send new ones.
We have a pretty self healing system here. Stand back and let them spend their
pent up anger. Not helping much that POTUS enabled/encouraged it but, hey, he
is gone. His legacy is crap, this just made it more crap.He will become a
worldwide pariah. That will amuse me.
So while you see one thing, I see a different thing. I see folks that get
themselves worked up by 4chan and Qanon and Fox and Rush. Folks itching for a
fight. Folks that never learned how to get along with others. So the sharks
and jets had a rumble. Now it is over.
But I stand by my metric of counting the magnitude of a riot. People times
time + damage caused. Who cares why they were rioting, these things are
measurable. Science B*tch.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
I shouldn't have used "BS".
As others have pointed out, one was a literal attack on the heart of our
democracy, encouraged and incited (IMHO) by the president of our country. Not
much can come close to that. You could burn all of Portland and it wouldn't
come close. Then again I care a lot more about our democracy then I care about
Portland.
Just say what the rules re OT politics are. We will follow them.
On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest, number or
people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and compare the two
by the numbers.
Pretty sure I am right. Just crunch the numbers. There is no “side” to
simple counting of participants times time.
But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” .
Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary.
My comment came very late in the day, the political argument started far
earlier.
From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
Chuck,
I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC
crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap
largely done by the other side. Give and take." and not expect it to start a
political argument. I think you are abundantly and dangerously wrong about
that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't have a list where one sided
inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is not. We either
allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we make a no politics
rule. The latter seems to be the best option as there are too many brilliant
minds who we will lose if we keep it up.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain
civil to do so.
The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and
Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take.
Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow.
No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side.
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
youre no fun dad
Lent?
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of
F words in a subject line. There have been complaints.
From: Mathew Howard
Sent:
Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
It seems like it should be pretty obvious to everyone at this point that no matter what is said on either side of these political issues that nothing is going to change the opinions and beliefs of people on the other side. No matter how much “proof” either side has to show that they are right, no one is going to change their opinion. I suppose there are always some people who straddle the fence (just watch out if you slip and it’s a picket or razor blade fence you’re straddling!) and might be swayed by something they see, but the reality is that nothing is gained by anyone by these conversations on a list like this. In fact, much is lost…….. hopefully those that unsubscribed will come back. Personally, as long as political discussions don’t get so vicious as they’ve been at times, I find many of them entertaining. Overall though they seem to have caused more damage to this group than any benefit they’ve ever given. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 1:24 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest, number or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and compare the two by the numbers. Pretty sure I am right. Just crunch the numbers. There is no “side” to simple counting of participants times time. But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” . Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary. My comment came very late in the day, the political argument started far earlier. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB Chuck, I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take." and not expect it to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is not. We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain civil to do so. The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. From: Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB youre no fun dad Lent? On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote: Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems to be very little that can be done to fix it. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net>> wrote: " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list From: "Adam Moffett" mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many peop
Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
I shouldn't have used "BS". As others have pointed out, one was a literal attack on the heart of our democracy, encouraged and incited (IMHO) by the president of our country. Not much can come close to that. You could burn all of Portland and it wouldn't come close. Then again I care a lot more about our democracy then I care about Portland. Just say what the rules re OT politics are. We will follow them. On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest, number > or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and compare > the two by the numbers. > > Pretty sure I am right. Just crunch the numbers. There is no “side” to > simple counting of participants times time. > > But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” . > > Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary. > My comment came very late in the day, the political argument started far > earlier. > > > > *From:* Carl Peterson > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:14 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB > > Chuck, > > I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The > DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and > Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take." and not > expect it to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and > dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't > have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but > countering it is not. We either allow political discussions, which I'm > fine with, or we make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best > option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it > up. > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to >> remain civil to do so. >> >> The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and >> Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. >> >> Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. >> >> No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. >> >> *From:* Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >> >> youre no fun dad >> >> Lent? >> >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch >>> of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. >>> >>> *From:* Mathew Howard >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >>> >>> That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no >>> so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, >>> no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not >>> outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their >>> consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems >>> to be very little that can be done to fix it. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House >>> wrote: >>> >>>> " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I >>>> take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even >>>> more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political >>>> agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on >>>> either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. >>>> I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not >>>> reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I >>>> honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. >>>> Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and >>>> Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" >>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >>>> >>>> >&
Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
You take his tricorder, I'll take his wallet.
On 01/07/2021 11:19 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3at_Ev2kOoI
On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:15 PM Carl Peterson <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
Chuck,
I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like
"The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the
Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and
take." and not expect it to start a political argument. I think you
are abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly)
holding my tongue. We can't have a list where one sided
inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is not. We
either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we make
a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best option as there
are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have
to remain civil to do so.
The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the
Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give
and take.
Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow.
No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either
side.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
youre no fun dad
Lent?
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to
see a bunch of F words in a subject line. There have been
complaints.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit
That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that
almost no so-called news having anything to do with politics
is honest or reliable, no matter which side it comes from.
Almost all of it is slanted (if not outright dishonest) to
either fit their own view or manipulate their consumers into
supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems
to be very little that can be done to fix it.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House
wrote:
" a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is
exactly how I take every bit of news from every outlet
on every station. It is even more the case when the
source is a politician or anyone with a political
agenda. This includes most of the people on this list.
Very few on either side can really provide an objective
argument on politics today. I'd include myself in that
group therefore I tend to just delete or not reply to
these group messages because it only furthers the
divide. I honestly dont see any long term solution to
the divide we have today. Mainstream media isn't going
to help. Congress isn't going to help and Trump isn't
going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list
*From: *"Adam Moffett"
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
*Sent: *Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit
Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll
find a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top.
That so many people are so thoroughly fooled by it is
the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop being a fool.
The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by
pretending hard enough.
On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote:
an election that is not conducted according to law
is not an election. it's a coup.
Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent,
verifiable, and treats every voter the same, it's
not an "election".
Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and
physically threatened... that is intolerable.
hereistheevidence.com
<http://hereistheevidence.com> --- in case you
dare open your m
Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest, number or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and compare the two by the numbers. Pretty sure I am right. Just crunch the numbers. There is no “side” to simple counting of participants times time. But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” . Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary. My comment came very late in the day, the political argument started far earlier. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB Chuck, I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take." and not expect it to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is not. We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain civil to do so. The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. From: Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB youre no fun dad Lent? On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems to be very little that can be done to fix it. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House wrote: " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list -- From: "Adam Moffett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop being a fool. The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard enough. On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: an election that is not conducted according to law is not an election. it's a coup. Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats every voter the same, it's not an "election". Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... that is intolerable. hereistheevidence.com --- in case you dare open your mind to truth Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a commie plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message. All that is left is communism or war. That was the plan all along and only 'crazy' people -- and people who escaped communist societies to come warn us -- saw it or believed in it. I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End: “In my study of communist societies, I came
Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3at_Ev2kOoI On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:15 PM Carl Peterson wrote: > Chuck, > > I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The > DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and > Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take." and not > expect it to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and > dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't > have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but > countering it is not. We either allow political discussions, which I'm > fine with, or we make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best > option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it > up. > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to >> remain civil to do so. >> >> The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and >> Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. >> >> Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. >> >> No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. >> >> *From:* Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >> >> youre no fun dad >> >> Lent? >> >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch >>> of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. >>> >>> *From:* Mathew Howard >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >>> >>> That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no >>> so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, >>> no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not >>> outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their >>> consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems >>> to be very little that can be done to fix it. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House >>> wrote: >>> >>>> " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I >>>> take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even >>>> more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political >>>> agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on >>>> either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. >>>> I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not >>>> reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I >>>> honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. >>>> Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and >>>> Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" >>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >>>> >>>> >>>> Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of >>>> truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so >>>> thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop >>>> being a fool. >>>> >>>> The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard >>>> enough. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: >>>> >>>> an election that is not conducted according to law is not an >>>> election. it's a coup. >>>> Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats >>>> every voter the same, it's not an "election". >>>> Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... >>>> that is intolerable. >>>> >>>> hereistheevidence.com --- in case you dare open your mind to truth >>>> >>>> Patton was correct,
Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
I was going to (hopefully) STFU on politics from here on out, but my
last comment would be to agree with Carl. Please help me to bite my
tongue from here on out.
On 01/07/2021 11:14 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
Chuck,
I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The
DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and
Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take." and not
expect it to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and
dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We
can't have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed
but countering it is not. We either allow political discussions, which
I'm fine with, or we make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be
the best option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose
if we keep it up.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to
remain civil to do so.
The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the
Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and
take.
Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow.
No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
youre no fun dad
Lent?
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF
wrote:
Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a
bunch of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit
That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost
no so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest
or reliable, no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of
it is slanted (if not outright dishonest) to either fit their
own view or manipulate their consumers into supporting a
particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems to be very little
that can be done to fix it.
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House
wrote:
" a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is
exactly how I take every bit of news from every outlet on
every station. It is even more the case when the source is
a politician or anyone with a political agenda. This
includes most of the people on this list. Very few on either
side can really provide an objective argument on politics
today. I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to
just delete or not reply to these group messages because it
only furthers the divide. I honestly dont see any long
term solution to the divide we have today. Mainstream
media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and
Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on
this list
*From: *"Adam Moffett"
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
*Sent: *Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit
Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a
nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so
many people are so thoroughly fooled by it is the most
distressing part. Look closer. Stop being a fool.
The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending
hard enough.
On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote:
an election that is not conducted according to law is
not an election. it's a coup.
Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent,
verifiable, and treats every voter the same, it's not an
"election".
Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically
threatened... that is intolerable.
hereistheevidence.com <http://hereistheevidence.com>
--- in case you dare open your mind to truth
Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who
was probably a commie plant because he did a great job
discrediting 'his' message.
All that is left is communism or war. That was the
plan all along and only 'crazy' people -- and pe
Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
Chuck, I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take." and not expect it to start a political argument. I think you are abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue. We can't have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is not. We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we make a no politics rule. The latter seems to be the best option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain > civil to do so. > > The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and > Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. > > Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. > > No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB > > youre no fun dad > > Lent? > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of >> F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. >> >> *From:* Mathew Howard >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >> >> That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no >> so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, >> no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not >> outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their >> consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems >> to be very little that can be done to fix it. >> >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House >> wrote: >> >>> " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I >>> take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even >>> more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political >>> agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on >>> either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. >>> I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not >>> reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I >>> honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. >>> Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and >>> Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" >>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >>> >>> >>> Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of >>> truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so >>> thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop >>> being a fool. >>> >>> The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard enough. >>> >>> >>> On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: >>> >>> an election that is not conducted according to law is not an election. >>> it's a coup. >>> Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats >>> every voter the same, it's not an "election". >>> Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... that >>> is intolerable. >>> >>> hereistheevidence.com --- in case you dare open your mind to truth >>> >>> Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a >>> commie plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message. >>> >>> All that is left is communism or war. That was the plan all along and >>> only 'crazy' people -- and people who escaped communist societies to come >>> warn us -- saw it or believed in it. >>> >>> I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End: >>> >>> “In my study of communist societi
Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
Pretty different IMO. This was an attack on our federal capitol with the intent of subverting the will of the voters, incited by the sitting president. I certainly don't support the thugs that trashed other peoples' businesses in the other situations, but this is not the same. On Wednesday, January 6, 2021, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain > civil to do so. > > The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and > Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. > > Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. > > No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB > > youre no fun dad > > Lent? > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of >> F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. >> >> *From:* Mathew Howard >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >> >> That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no >> so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, >> no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not >> outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their >> consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems >> to be very little that can be done to fix it. >> >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House >> wrote: >> >>> " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I >>> take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even >>> more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political >>> agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on >>> either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. >>> I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not >>> reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I >>> honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. >>> Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and >>> Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" >>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >>> >>> >>> Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of >>> truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so >>> thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop >>> being a fool. >>> >>> The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard enough. >>> >>> >>> On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: >>> >>> an election that is not conducted according to law is not an election. >>> it's a coup. >>> Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats >>> every voter the same, it's not an "election". >>> Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... that >>> is intolerable. >>> >>> hereistheevidence.com --- in case you dare open your mind to truth >>> >>> Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a >>> commie plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message. >>> >>> All that is left is communism or war. That was the plan all along and >>> only 'crazy' people -- and people who escaped communist societies to come >>> warn us -- saw it or believed in it. >>> >>> I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End: >>> >>> “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the >>> purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to >>> inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to >>> reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are >>> being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to >>> repeat the l
Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
I can see why... There's infinite forums on the internet that are full of, and perfect hosts for, endless acrimonious political debate and immature speech. Those are well outside of the AFMUG WISP/FISP topics, I would argue even outside of the "nearly-WISP-related" OT threads. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 5:02 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Sadly, it appears Ken has unsubscribed... > > > > *From:* Chuck McCown via AF > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:59 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB > > I remember back in the 90s when the reds had both houses of congress and > the presidency. > > Funny, they did not seem to enjoy a railroad track for anything they could > think of. Bills still had to battle through. It took both sides. It will > not be any different for the blues this this time. > > There really are good folks on both sides and the system really does work > for the most part. > > Sadly, today is not unusual... > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_the_United_States > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Washington,_D.C.,_riots > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:52 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB > > [image: 20202021.jpg] > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to >> remain civil to do so. >> >> The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and >> Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. >> >> Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. >> >> No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. >> >> *From:* Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >> >> youre no fun dad >> >> Lent? >> >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch >>> of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. >>> >>> *From:* Mathew Howard >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >>> >>> That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no >>> so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, >>> no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not >>> outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their >>> consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems >>> to be very little that can be done to fix it. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House >>> wrote: >>> >>>> " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I >>>> take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even >>>> more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political >>>> agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on >>>> either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. >>>> I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not >>>> reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I >>>> honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. >>>> Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and >>>> Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" >>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >>>> >>>> >>>> Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of >>>> truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so >>>> thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop >>>> being a fool. >>>> >>>> The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard >>>> enough. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsu
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Bummer. I appreciate his wry humor.
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:02 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> Sadly, it appears Ken has unsubscribed...
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:59 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
>
> I remember back in the 90s when the reds had both houses of congress and
> the presidency.
>
> Funny, they did not seem to enjoy a railroad track for anything they could
> think of. Bills still had to battle through. It took both sides. It will
> not be any different for the blues this this time.
>
> There really are good folks on both sides and the system really does work
> for the most part.
>
> Sadly, today is not unusual...
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_the_United_States
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Washington,_D.C.,_riots
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:52 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
>
> [image: 20202021.jpg]
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to
>> remain civil to do so.
>>
>> The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and
>> Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take.
>>
>> Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow.
>>
>> No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
>>
>> youre no fun dad
>>
>> Lent?
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch
>>> of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit
>>>
>>> That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no
>>> so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable,
>>> no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not
>>> outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their
>>> consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems
>>> to be very little that can be done to fix it.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I
>>>> take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even
>>>> more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political
>>>> agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on
>>>> either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today.
>>>> I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not
>>>> reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I
>>>> honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today.
>>>> Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and
>>>> Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett"
>>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of
>>>> truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so
>>>> thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop
>>>> being a fool.
>>>>
>>>> The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard
>>>> enough.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote:
>>>>
>>>> an election that is not conducted according to law is not an
>>>> election. it's a coup.
>>>> Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable,
Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
call him and tell him to come back On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 5:02 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Sadly, it appears Ken has unsubscribed... > > > > *From:* Chuck McCown via AF > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:59 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB > > I remember back in the 90s when the reds had both houses of congress and > the presidency. > > Funny, they did not seem to enjoy a railroad track for anything they could > think of. Bills still had to battle through. It took both sides. It will > not be any different for the blues this this time. > > There really are good folks on both sides and the system really does work > for the most part. > > Sadly, today is not unusual... > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_the_United_States > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Washington,_D.C.,_riots > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:52 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB > > [image: 20202021.jpg] > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to >> remain civil to do so. >> >> The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and >> Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. >> >> Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. >> >> No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. >> >> *From:* Steve Jones >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB >> >> youre no fun dad >> >> Lent? >> >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF >> wrote: >> >>> Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch >>> of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. >>> >>> *From:* Mathew Howard >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >>> >>> That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no >>> so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, >>> no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not >>> outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their >>> consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems >>> to be very little that can be done to fix it. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House >>> wrote: >>> >>>> " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I >>>> take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even >>>> more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political >>>> agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on >>>> either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. >>>> I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not >>>> reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I >>>> honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. >>>> Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and >>>> Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" >>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >>>> >>>> >>>> Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of >>>> truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so >>>> thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop >>>> being a fool. >>>> >>>> The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard >>>> enough. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: >>>> >>>> an election that is not conducted according to law is not an >>>> election. it's a coup. >>>> Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats >>>> ever
Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
Sadly, it appears Ken has unsubscribed... From: Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:59 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB I remember back in the 90s when the reds had both houses of congress and the presidency. Funny, they did not seem to enjoy a railroad track for anything they could think of. Bills still had to battle through. It took both sides. It will not be any different for the blues this this time. There really are good folks on both sides and the system really does work for the most part. Sadly, today is not unusual... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Washington,_D.C.,_riots From: Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:52 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain civil to do so. The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. From: Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB youre no fun dad Lent? On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems to be very little that can be done to fix it. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House wrote: " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list -- From: "Adam Moffett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop being a fool. The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard enough. On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: an election that is not conducted according to law is not an election. it's a coup. Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats every voter the same, it's not an "election". Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... that is intolerable. hereistheevidence.com --- in case you dare open your mind to truth Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a commie plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message. All that is left is communism or war. That was the plan all along and only 'crazy' people -- and people who escaped communist societies to come warn us -- saw it or believed in it. I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End: “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent
Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
I remember back in the 90s when the reds had both houses of congress and the presidency. Funny, they did not seem to enjoy a railroad track for anything they could think of. Bills still had to battle through. It took both sides. It will not be any different for the blues this this time. There really are good folks on both sides and the system really does work for the most part. Sadly, today is not unusual... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Washington,_D.C.,_riots From: Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:52 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain civil to do so. The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. From: Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB youre no fun dad Lent? On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems to be very little that can be done to fix it. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House wrote: " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list -- From: "Adam Moffett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop being a fool. The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard enough. On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: an election that is not conducted according to law is not an election. it's a coup. Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats every voter the same, it's not an "election". Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... that is intolerable. hereistheevidence.com --- in case you dare open your mind to truth Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a commie plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message. All that is left is communism or war. That was the plan all along and only 'crazy' people -- and people who escaped communist societies to come warn us -- saw it or believed in it. I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End: “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if y
Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
[image: 20202021.jpg] On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain > civil to do so. > > The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and > Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. > > Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. > > No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. > > *From:* Steve Jones > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB > > youre no fun dad > > Lent? > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote: > >> Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of >> F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. >> >> *From:* Mathew Howard >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >> >> That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no >> so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, >> no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not >> outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their >> consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems >> to be very little that can be done to fix it. >> >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House >> wrote: >> >>> " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I >>> take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even >>> more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political >>> agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on >>> either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. >>> I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not >>> reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I >>> honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. >>> Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and >>> Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" >>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >>> >>> >>> Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of >>> truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so >>> thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop >>> being a fool. >>> >>> The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard enough. >>> >>> >>> On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: >>> >>> an election that is not conducted according to law is not an election. >>> it's a coup. >>> Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats >>> every voter the same, it's not an "election". >>> Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... that >>> is intolerable. >>> >>> hereistheevidence.com --- in case you dare open your mind to truth >>> >>> Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a >>> commie plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message. >>> >>> All that is left is communism or war. That was the plan all along and >>> only 'crazy' people -- and people who escaped communist societies to come >>> warn us -- saw it or believed in it. >>> >>> I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End: >>> >>> “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the >>> purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to >>> inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to >>> reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are >>> being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to >>> repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of >>> probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil >>> oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even >>> destroyed. A socie
Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
Thank you From: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:37:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain civil to do so. The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. From: Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB youre no fun dad Lent? On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems to be very little that can be done to fix it. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House wrote: BQ_BEGIN " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list From: "Adam Moffett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop being a fool. The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard enough. On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: BQ_BEGIN an election that is not conducted according to law is not an election. it's a coup. Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats every voter the same, it's not an "election". Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... that is intolerable. [ http://hereistheevidence.com/ | hereistheevidence.com ] --- in case you dare open your mind to truth Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a commie plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message. All that is left is communism or war. That was the plan all along and only 'crazy' people -- and people who escaped communist societies to come warn us -- saw it or believed in it. I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End: “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.” ~ Theodore Dalrymple You arrogant asses, you've killed us! -- On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:30 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: BQ_BEGIN go drink some tecate, youre losing your mind On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: BQ_BEGIN Did you just hear his tweeter video bullshit? Fuck Trump... Kruchev predicted it... Trump enabled it. Go ahead and get off this list Fuck Trump and his Trumpicans... This is an Insurrection..Rudy called for trial by combat, Trump said it was going to be wild ... So fuck them to hell. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 2:11 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...
Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
Sorry. I don’t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain civil to do so. The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side. Give and take. Folks wanna blow off steam. It will be history tomorrow. No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side. From: Steve Jones Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB youre no fun dad Lent? On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems to be very little that can be done to fix it. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House wrote: " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list From: "Adam Moffett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop being a fool. The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard enough. On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: an election that is not conducted according to law is not an election. it's a coup. Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats every voter the same, it's not an "election". Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... that is intolerable. hereistheevidence.com --- in case you dare open your mind to truth Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a commie plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message. All that is left is communism or war. That was the plan all along and only 'crazy' people -- and people who escaped communist societies to come warn us -- saw it or believed in it. I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End: “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.” ~ Theodore Dalrymple You arrogant asses, you've killed us! -- On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:30 PM Steve Jones wrote: go drink some tecate, youre losing your mind On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: Did you just hear his tweeter video bullshit? Fuck Trump... Kruchev predicted it... Trump enabled it. Go ahead and get off this list Fuck Trump and his Trumpicans... This is an Insurrection..Rudy called for trial by combat, Trump said it was going to be wild ... So fuck them to hell. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 2:11 PM Steve Jones wrote: IKR, slides biden is demanding potus go on national TV to quell it, unlike during t
Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
youre no fun dad Lent? On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF wrote: > Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of > F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. > > *From:* Mathew Howard > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit > > That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no > so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, > no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not > outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their > consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems > to be very little that can be done to fix it. > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House > wrote: > >> " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I >> take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even >> more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political >> agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on >> either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. >> I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not >> reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I >> honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. >> Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and >> Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list >> >> >> -- >> *From: *"Adam Moffett" >> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit >> >> >> Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of >> truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so >> thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop >> being a fool. >> >> The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard enough. >> >> >> On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: >> >> an election that is not conducted according to law is not an election. >> it's a coup. >> Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats >> every voter the same, it's not an "election". >> Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... that >> is intolerable. >> >> hereistheevidence.com --- in case you dare open your mind to truth >> >> Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a >> commie plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message. >> >> All that is left is communism or war. That was the plan all along and >> only 'crazy' people -- and people who escaped communist societies to come >> warn us -- saw it or believed in it. >> >> I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End: >> >> “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the >> purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to >> inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to >> reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are >> being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to >> repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of >> probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil >> oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even >> destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if >> you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended >> to.” ~ Theodore Dalrymple >> >> You arrogant asses, you've killed us! >> -- >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:30 PM Steve Jones >> wrote: >> >>> go drink some tecate, youre losing your mind >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jaime Solorza >>> wrote: >>> Did you just hear his tweeter video bullshit? Fuck Trump... Kruchev predicted it... Trump enabled it. Go ahead and get off this list Fuck Trump and his Trumpicans... This is an Insurrection..Rudy called for trial by combat, Trump said it was going to be wild ... So fuck them to hell. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 2:11 PM Steve Jones wrote: > IKR, slides biden is demanding potus go on national TV to quell it, > unlike during the biden obama administration when he didnt demand the > same. > god this is funny. sad they havent shot more of these mopes today and > historically > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jaime Solorza < > losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> WTF...third world country tactics... >> Insurrection... >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com >
Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
Kill thread. We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of F words in a subject line. There have been complaints. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems to be very little that can be done to fix it. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House wrote: " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top" Is exactly how I take every bit of news from every outlet on every station. It is even more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political agenda. This includes most of the people on this list. Very few on either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today. I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide. I honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today. Mainstream media isn't going to help. Congress isn't going to help and Trump isn't going to help. Neither is anyone's opinion on this list -- From: "Adam Moffett" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top. That so many people are so thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing part. Look closer. Stop being a fool. The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard enough. On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote: an election that is not conducted according to law is not an election. it's a coup. Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, verifiable, and treats every voter the same, it's not an "election". Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and physically threatened... that is intolerable. hereistheevidence.com --- in case you dare open your mind to truth Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy guy, who was probably a commie plant because he did a great job discrediting 'his' message. All that is left is communism or war. That was the plan all along and only 'crazy' people -- and people who escaped communist societies to come warn us -- saw it or believed in it. I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End: “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.” ~ Theodore Dalrymple You arrogant asses, you've killed us! -- On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:30 PM Steve Jones wrote: go drink some tecate, youre losing your mind On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: Did you just hear his tweeter video bullshit? Fuck Trump... Kruchev predicted it... Trump enabled it. Go ahead and get off this list Fuck Trump and his Trumpicans... This is an Insurrection..Rudy called for trial by combat, Trump said it was going to be wild ... So fuck them to hell. On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 2:11 PM Steve Jones wrote: IKR, slides biden is demanding potus go on national TV to quell it, unlike during the biden obama administration when he didnt demand the same. god this is funny. sad they havent shot more of these mopes today and historically On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: WTF...third world country tactics... Insurrection... -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com --
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends
I thought FB was done when grandmothers started s signing up On Fri, Mar 15, 2019, 9:15 AM Bill Prince wrote: > > The fundamental problem with FB is that they change their position almost > weekly, and it's impossible to keep up with what the current "policy" is, > or what influence (if any) you might have in it. I say this for all the FB > "properties" including WhatsApp, Instagram, etc. > > > bp > > > > On 3/14/2019 8:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > Linkedin I like. Not so much FB. > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 8:02 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends > > > Hi, I’d like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf > Of *Sean Heskett > *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 8:35 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends > > > > that's how the russian trolls are able to spread their FUD. they friend > request your friends and your friends see you are friends so they must be > ok friends and on and on. then you start seeing "news articles" in your > feed from these new "friends of friends" so you blindly trust that they are > friendly. all the while it's a bunch of bots and russian trolls taking > advantage of our goods nature. > > > > -sean > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 6:56 PM wrote: > > Not sure what is up lately but I have been getting several friend requests > each day. I try to see if I know them, generally I don’t recognize the > name but there are mutual friends, most of whom I don’t really know. Many > of these have some kind of imagery that is related to our industry. So > generally confirm those. But I am deleting the rest. > > > > Anybody on this list, if you made a friend request and I did not confirm, > just drop me a real email and warn me before you do it and I will confirm. > I don’t want anyone to think I am aloof or unfriendly but far more people > know me than I instantly recognize on a FB request. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends
The fundamental problem with FB is that they change their
position almost weekly, and it's impossible to keep up with what
the current "policy" is, or what influence (if any) you might have
in it. I say this for all the FB "properties" including WhatsApp,
Instagram, etc.
bp
On 3/14/2019 8:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
wrote:
Linkedin I like. Not so much FB.
From: Ken
Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 8:02 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends
Hi, I’d like to add you to my
professional network on LinkedIn.
From: AF
On Behalf Of Sean
Heskett
Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 8:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends
that's how the russian trolls are
able to spread their FUD. they friend request your
friends and your friends see you are friends so they
must be ok friends and on and on. then you start
seeing "news articles" in your feed from these new
"friends of friends" so you blindly trust that they
are friendly. all the while it's a bunch of bots and
russian trolls taking advantage of our goods nature.
-sean
On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 6:56 PM
<ch...@wbmfg.com>
wrote:
Not sure what is up
lately but I have been getting several
friend requests each day. I try to see if
I know them, generally I don’t recognize
the name but there are mutual friends,
most of whom I don’t really know. Many of
these have some kind of imagery that is
related to our industry. So generally
confirm those. But I am deleting the
rest.
Anybody on this list,
if you made a friend request and I did not
confirm, just drop me a real email and
warn me before you do it and I will
confirm. I don’t want anyone to think I
am aloof or unfriendly but far more people
know me than I instantly recognize on a FB
request.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends
It seems like a lot of the Linkedin connection requests I get are just preludes to some kind of sales pitch. Maybe that's the idea behind Linkedin. Ken Hohhof wrote: But some people on LinkedIn abuse the equivalent of a friend request, to the point where it’s become a meme. Just do a Google search on that phrase and you’ll see all sorts of photos and cartoons with that title. Trojan horse, dog on Internet, etc. *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 10:56 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends Linkedin I like. Not so much FB. *From:*Ken Hohhof *Sent:*Thursday, March 14, 2019 8:02 PM *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends Hi, I’d like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 8:35 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends that's how the russian trolls are able to spread their FUD. they friend request your friends and your friends see you are friends so they must be ok friends and on and on. then you start seeing "news articles" in your feed from these new "friends of friends" so you blindly trust that they are friendly. all the while it's a bunch of bots and russian trolls taking advantage of our goods nature. -sean On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 6:56 PM <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: Not sure what is up lately but I have been getting several friend requests each day. I try to see if I know them, generally I don’t recognize the name but there are mutual friends, most of whom I don’t really know. Many of these have some kind of imagery that is related to our industry. So generally confirm those. But I am deleting the rest. Anybody on this list, if you made a friend request and I did not confirm, just drop me a real email and warn me before you do it and I will confirm. I don’t want anyone to think I am aloof or unfriendly but far more people know me than I instantly recognize on a FB request. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- *Jay Weekley* *Cyber Broadband * --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends
But some people on LinkedIn abuse the equivalent of a friend request, to the point where it’s become a meme. Just do a Google search on that phrase and you’ll see all sorts of photos and cartoons with that title. Trojan horse, dog on Internet, etc. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 10:56 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends Linkedin I like. Not so much FB. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 8:02 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends Hi, I’d like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 8:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends that's how the russian trolls are able to spread their FUD. they friend request your friends and your friends see you are friends so they must be ok friends and on and on. then you start seeing "news articles" in your feed from these new "friends of friends" so you blindly trust that they are friendly. all the while it's a bunch of bots and russian trolls taking advantage of our goods nature. -sean On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 6:56 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: Not sure what is up lately but I have been getting several friend requests each day. I try to see if I know them, generally I don’t recognize the name but there are mutual friends, most of whom I don’t really know. Many of these have some kind of imagery that is related to our industry. So generally confirm those. But I am deleting the rest. Anybody on this list, if you made a friend request and I did not confirm, just drop me a real email and warn me before you do it and I will confirm. I don’t want anyone to think I am aloof or unfriendly but far more people know me than I instantly recognize on a FB request. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends
Their demographics though slant toward soccer moms and older. I’m surprised so many people here are so enthusiastic about it. I observe 20-29 year olds using stuff like Reddit and Youtube not Facebook. I guess Facebook also has Instagram but that seems like a site for celebrities and fashion and style “influencers”, what we used to call shills. And Whatsapp, I know zilch about that. Facebook seems like a house of cards to me, mediocre features, poor demographics, and falling out of favor for their aggressive collection and monetization of data without regard for privacy. All they seem to have going for them is lots of subscribers, and that could change quickly if something better came along. As Facebook buys other social media sites, I wonder how strong is the non compete agreement the sellers have to sign. From: AF On Behalf Of Darin Steffl Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 8:03 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends When it's the largest social media platform in the world, people will continue to use it. I don't know why people hate it. It's seems fine to me. Althought I never scroll through the news feed anymore. I only check the wisp groups and our business page so I'm not fully into it. On Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 11:14 PM Sean Heskett mailto:af...@zirkel.us> > wrote: Nobody likes Facebook, and yet everyone seems to keep using it. Utterly confusing to me. -Sean On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 9:57 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: Linkedin I like. Not so much FB. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 8:02 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends Hi, I’d like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 8:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends that's how the russian trolls are able to spread their FUD. they friend request your friends and your friends see you are friends so they must be ok friends and on and on. then you start seeing "news articles" in your feed from these new "friends of friends" so you blindly trust that they are friendly. all the while it's a bunch of bots and russian trolls taking advantage of our goods nature. -sean On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 6:56 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: Not sure what is up lately but I have been getting several friend requests each day. I try to see if I know them, generally I don’t recognize the name but there are mutual friends, most of whom I don’t really know. Many of these have some kind of imagery that is related to our industry. So generally confirm those. But I am deleting the rest. Anybody on this list, if you made a friend request and I did not confirm, just drop me a real email and warn me before you do it and I will confirm. I don’t want anyone to think I am aloof or unfriendly but far more people know me than I instantly recognize on a FB request. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends
When it's the largest social media platform in the world, people will continue to use it. I don't know why people hate it. It's seems fine to me. Althought I never scroll through the news feed anymore. I only check the wisp groups and our business page so I'm not fully into it. On Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 11:14 PM Sean Heskett wrote: > Nobody likes Facebook, and yet everyone seems to keep using it. > > Utterly confusing to me. > > -Sean > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 9:57 PM wrote: > >> Linkedin I like. Not so much FB. >> >> *From:* Ken Hohhof >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 8:02 PM >> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends >> >> >> Hi, I’d like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett >> *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 8:35 PM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends >> >> >> >> that's how the russian trolls are able to spread their FUD. they friend >> request your friends and your friends see you are friends so they must be >> ok friends and on and on. then you start seeing "news articles" in your >> feed from these new "friends of friends" so you blindly trust that they are >> friendly. all the while it's a bunch of bots and russian trolls taking >> advantage of our goods nature. >> >> >> >> -sean >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 6:56 PM wrote: >> >> Not sure what is up lately but I have been getting several friend >> requests each day. I try to see if I know them, generally I don’t >> recognize the name but there are mutual friends, most of whom I don’t >> really know. Many of these have some kind of imagery that is related to >> our industry. So generally confirm those. But I am deleting the rest. >> >> >> >> Anybody on this list, if you made a friend request and I did not confirm, >> just drop me a real email and warn me before you do it and I will confirm. >> I don’t want anyone to think I am aloof or unfriendly but far more people >> know me than I instantly recognize on a FB request. >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends
Nobody likes Facebook, and yet everyone seems to keep using it. Utterly confusing to me. -Sean On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 9:57 PM wrote: > Linkedin I like. Not so much FB. > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 8:02 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends > > > Hi, I’d like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett > *Sent:* Thursday, March 14, 2019 8:35 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends > > > > that's how the russian trolls are able to spread their FUD. they friend > request your friends and your friends see you are friends so they must be > ok friends and on and on. then you start seeing "news articles" in your > feed from these new "friends of friends" so you blindly trust that they are > friendly. all the while it's a bunch of bots and russian trolls taking > advantage of our goods nature. > > > > -sean > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 6:56 PM wrote: > > Not sure what is up lately but I have been getting several friend requests > each day. I try to see if I know them, generally I don’t recognize the > name but there are mutual friends, most of whom I don’t really know. Many > of these have some kind of imagery that is related to our industry. So > generally confirm those. But I am deleting the rest. > > > > Anybody on this list, if you made a friend request and I did not confirm, > just drop me a real email and warn me before you do it and I will confirm. > I don’t want anyone to think I am aloof or unfriendly but far more people > know me than I instantly recognize on a FB request. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends
Linkedin I like. Not so much FB. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 8:02 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends Hi, I’d like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. From: AF On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 8:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends that's how the russian trolls are able to spread their FUD. they friend request your friends and your friends see you are friends so they must be ok friends and on and on. then you start seeing "news articles" in your feed from these new "friends of friends" so you blindly trust that they are friendly. all the while it's a bunch of bots and russian trolls taking advantage of our goods nature. -sean On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 6:56 PM wrote: Not sure what is up lately but I have been getting several friend requests each day. I try to see if I know them, generally I don’t recognize the name but there are mutual friends, most of whom I don’t really know. Many of these have some kind of imagery that is related to our industry. So generally confirm those. But I am deleting the rest. Anybody on this list, if you made a friend request and I did not confirm, just drop me a real email and warn me before you do it and I will confirm. I don’t want anyone to think I am aloof or unfriendly but far more people know me than I instantly recognize on a FB request. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends
Hi, I’d like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn. From: AF On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 8:35 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends that's how the russian trolls are able to spread their FUD. they friend request your friends and your friends see you are friends so they must be ok friends and on and on. then you start seeing "news articles" in your feed from these new "friends of friends" so you blindly trust that they are friendly. all the while it's a bunch of bots and russian trolls taking advantage of our goods nature. -sean On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 6:56 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: Not sure what is up lately but I have been getting several friend requests each day. I try to see if I know them, generally I don’t recognize the name but there are mutual friends, most of whom I don’t really know. Many of these have some kind of imagery that is related to our industry. So generally confirm those. But I am deleting the rest. Anybody on this list, if you made a friend request and I did not confirm, just drop me a real email and warn me before you do it and I will confirm. I don’t want anyone to think I am aloof or unfriendly but far more people know me than I instantly recognize on a FB request. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends
that's how the russian trolls are able to spread their FUD. they friend request your friends and your friends see you are friends so they must be ok friends and on and on. then you start seeing "news articles" in your feed from these new "friends of friends" so you blindly trust that they are friendly. all the while it's a bunch of bots and russian trolls taking advantage of our goods nature. -sean On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 6:56 PM wrote: > Not sure what is up lately but I have been getting several friend requests > each day. I try to see if I know them, generally I don’t recognize the > name but there are mutual friends, most of whom I don’t really know. Many > of these have some kind of imagery that is related to our industry. So > generally confirm those. But I am deleting the rest. > > Anybody on this list, if you made a friend request and I did not confirm, > just drop me a real email and warn me before you do it and I will confirm. > I don’t want anyone to think I am aloof or unfriendly but far more people > know me than I instantly recognize on a FB request. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends
I generally ignore friends requests. Every few months I go in and see if I have any that have a bunch of friends in common. That gives Facebook time to weed out the fake and scam requests. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2019 7:54:46 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT FB friends Not sure what is up lately but I have been getting several friend requests each day. I try to see if I know them, generally I don’t recognize the name but there are mutual friends, most of whom I don’t really know. Many of these have some kind of imagery that is related to our industry. So generally confirm those. But I am deleting the rest. Anybody on this list, if you made a friend request and I did not confirm, just drop me a real email and warn me before you do it and I will confirm. I don’t want anyone to think I am aloof or unfriendly but far more people know me than I instantly recognize on a FB request. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT FB friends
I think a lot of people think it's Mccown tech account. This list has been mentioned a few times in the wisp Facebook groups too so you'll see more of it probably. On Thu, Mar 14, 2019, 7:56 PM wrote: > Not sure what is up lately but I have been getting several friend requests > each day. I try to see if I know them, generally I don’t recognize the > name but there are mutual friends, most of whom I don’t really know. Many > of these have some kind of imagery that is related to our industry. So > generally confirm those. But I am deleting the rest. > > Anybody on this list, if you made a friend request and I did not confirm, > just drop me a real email and warn me before you do it and I will confirm. > I don’t want anyone to think I am aloof or unfriendly but far more people > know me than I instantly recognize on a FB request. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] OT FB friends
Not sure what is up lately but I have been getting several friend requests each day. I try to see if I know them, generally I don’t recognize the name but there are mutual friends, most of whom I don’t really know. Many of these have some kind of imagery that is related to our industry. So generally confirm those. But I am deleting the rest. Anybody on this list, if you made a friend request and I did not confirm, just drop me a real email and warn me before you do it and I will confirm. I don’t want anyone to think I am aloof or unfriendly but far more people know me than I instantly recognize on a FB request. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
