Re: [AFMUG] snow

[Josh Reynolds via Af]

Let me flip this on you.

When it's not snowing in Alaska, people have no idea how to drive. :(

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 

On 10/04/2014 08:18 PM, Jason McKemie via Af wrote:
+1000 - I swear the drivers are even worse in Springfield. A light 
drizzle and people start driving like complete assholes.


On Saturday, October 4, 2014, That One Guy via Af > wrote:


Thats what amazes me here in illinois, we have had this shitty
weather forever, but inevitably for the first third of the snow
season everybody acts like they grew up in a desert and has never
seen snow before so they freak out and forget everything from
their rules of the road book in drivers ed. When i worked in EMS
that was my favorite time of year, I love trauma and nothing
better than a moron in an SUV running 75 in a snowstorm to ensure
there will be blood. My license is still valid but in inactive
status, that time of year it is really hard to not go re-up just
for the blood too bad the douchbags in the SUVs usually have a
kid in the car with them

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:51 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
via Af > wrote:

You know what Bill, just take your nice weather and... enjoy
it I guess. Bastard. Chicago sucks right now. I was on I55
this morning, mostly rain, then a little bit of snow came down
and everyone had to start driving like idiots like it was a
blizzard. I'm sure 5k flights got cancelled too. Next week it
will be back up into the mid 60s though.

On 10/4/2014 9:54 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

We're in the midst of a heat advisory through today. We'll
be visiting friends in the NE Bay, where they expect temps
near 100.

bp

On 10/4/2014 7:00 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

What happened to October?  Is it like Windows 9, we
just skipped it?







-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember

that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you.
Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a
reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance
manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] snow

[Jason McKemie via Af]

+1000 - I swear the drivers are even worse in Springfield. A light drizzle
and people start driving like complete assholes.

On Saturday, October 4, 2014, That One Guy via Af  wrote:

> Thats what amazes me here in illinois, we have had this shitty weather
> forever, but inevitably for the first third of the snow season everybody
> acts like they grew up in a desert and has never seen snow before so they
> freak out and forget everything from their rules of the road book in
> drivers ed. When i worked in EMS that was my favorite time of year, I love
> trauma and nothing better than a moron in an SUV running 75 in a snowstorm
> to ensure there will be blood. My license is still valid but in inactive
> status, that time of year it is really hard to not go re-up just for the
> blood too bad the douchbags in the SUVs usually have a kid in the car
> with them
>
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:51 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
> > wrote:
>
>> You know what Bill, just take your nice weather and... enjoy it I guess.
>> Bastard. Chicago sucks right now. I was on I55 this morning, mostly rain,
>> then a little bit of snow came down and everyone had to start driving like
>> idiots like it was a blizzard. I'm sure 5k flights got cancelled too. Next
>> week it will be back up into the mid 60s though.
>>
>> On 10/4/2014 9:54 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
>>
>>> We're in the midst of a heat advisory through today. We'll be visiting
>>> friends in the NE Bay, where they expect temps near 100.
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> On 10/4/2014 7:00 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>>>
 What happened to October?  Is it like Windows 9, we just skipped it?



>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

[David Milholen via Af]

We had no choice after deploying the 450 and offering up a handful of 
capacity for a competitive rate which basically put us at capacity in 
less than 6 months with out the numbers we wanted to see. So, since we 
had not raised rates in 10yrs we had no choice but to regroup and look 
at how we compare to our local cable. Really we have the upper hand 
because of what we do as a wireless
industry. The whole hybrid solution is the key. Basically WIsps offer 
fiber to  the home via fixed connections from a fiber carrier. Cable 
isnt even close due to the party line affect. Cambium gives us a 
scheduler that enables a VC per sub so we can imitate carrier class 
connections for a much lower price than what a carrier would serve while 
still making money doing it.
 So we can market a wonderful new buzz word called hybrid until it dies 
we will roll with it but so far the response has been very positive for 
the new price plans we now offer. Our 5x5 plan is a 5Mbs/5Mbs Down/Up 
for $75.00 monthly.  We limit our basic which is 3x1 @ $50.00 to only 
one video stream @ 768k per one device per account.



On 10/4/2014 7:27 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
i rarely have good to say about the way my boss runs things, but he is 
a magician at the rate plan changes. we have never directly raise 
prices, for the most part we have always either kept them the same 
 price or lowered the cost to stay where you are at. usually any rate 
plan changes come with the option to get more for less, knowing full 
well that they ultimately will move up a tier in the future because 
they want more. since we quit directly selling the speed and moved to 
consumption based pricing it gives a lot more leverage to make global 
changes with a limited demand increase on the infrastructure. It costs 
us alot less to offer more consumption than to offer more speed, and 
everything is moving to consumption based anyway, whether you like it 
or not. our absolute lowest tier is marketed as an email only plan 
with a 5gb cap to throttled speed. but we actually moved it to 10gb 
because there were too many hitting 6gb that would have needed to move 
up a tier just to get an extra gb, easier to raise it for free, and we 
still get about a 50% take rate to the next tier anyway.  things like 
that are how we are able to raise prices without actually raising 
prices. Because of it, even though we went through a negative customer 
growth (i like that buzz word) our profits increased, and now that we 
are on a positive customer growth trend, that profit increases quickly 
which is why we just dropped over 100k buying up the available 320 
market at the time (yeah, we were one of the ones that helped cause 
that). I wish I could provide the specific details of the two major 
rate changes in the last five years, because they were both pretty 
ingenious, ultimately getting customers to thank you for raising their 
prices, just by giving them ownership of the decision.


On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 5:12 PM, David Milholen via Af > wrote:


This is what we have done..


On 10/4/2014 4:02 PM, Jon Langeler via Af wrote:

Yeah I wouldn't raise prices on a 900SM customer. Get ready to
overhaul the network with faster options before charging more.
But definitely charge more as opposed to going cheaper. Markets
may vary...

Jon


On Oct 4, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Paul McCall via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Very good input from all of you!

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken
Hohhof via Af
*Sent:* Saturday, October 04, 2014 4:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

Everyone seems to expect our prices will go down, it’s the
Internet after all, everything is supposed to get cheaper until
it’s free, right?  We haven’t raised prices in 10 years, and we
are feeling some pressure to lower prices about 10%, I guess
that’s from competition though and it sounds like you don’t have
too much of that problem.

JAB has people here expecting $40/$50/$60 for 5M/10M/15M speed.
They do have an equipment fee and a support plan in the fine
print though.

One school of thought is you gotta have added fees, otherwise
you just look more expensive in a comparison. (And people do
compare prices, even if the other guys can’t get them service.) 
Another school of thought is, if you do a price increase, make

it big enough you don’t have another one in a year.  Although
that never seems to stop the cable companies. Another school of
thought is to make it look like you are giving them something
for the price increase, that’s the game the cablecos play, more
content.  Not sure what you could give away though, if you are
already at 5M and unlimited usage. I guess as long as you are
saying “up to”, you could raise the number.

*From:*Paul McCall v

[AFMUG] OT: Kidney for my nephew

[That One Guy via Af]

I know alot of you old farts hate facebook, but if you do happen to use it
I kindly ask that you check this out and share it, maybe help spread the
word. Even if you arent geographically near, there is a kidney trading type
program where an incompatible live donor can offer up their organ to trade
out for a compatible one from elsewhere. there is alot more detail to this
but thats the gist of it.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Find-a-Kidney-for-Jonathan-Tyler/533591706784838

A little background on this poor prick. hes my nephew, and one hell of a
good kid. When he and his twin sister were we ones they got an e. coli
infection assumed from a restaurant, but thats neither here nor there. The
sister, thankfully recovered quickly, however he was not so lucky. The
disease destroyed his kidneys. He went through a boatload of various
treatment to try to salvage his native kidneys without success, ultimately
landing him on dialysis while on a donor list.

A cadaver kidney became available thanks to a Samaritan who had signed the
back of his drivers license prior to getting killed (I recommend unless
your religion doesn't allow that you sign that line) He underwent the
transplant successfully.

This normally would be the end of the story, except some thing were off
shortly afterward, assumption was that there was an issue with rejection
etc. After some time test revealed that the donor kidney brought with it a
little present - cancer. It turns out that the donor was unaware he was
going to get cancer. The donor registry tracked the organs, as I understand
it, all the recipients developed cancer as well.

They did everything they could to treat the cancer while preserving the
donor kidney, but chemotherapy is hard on normal kidneys, needless to say
it ultimately resulted in the transplanted kidney no longer being viable.

He ended up back on dialysis (heres a kicker, to be on the transplant list,
you have to be 1 year cancer free, even if you got cancer from the
transplant). He has his two original kidneys and the donor one, but they
have not been able to find it, assumption is the body treated it like dead
tissue and absorbed it. I believe the last test had a negligible amount,
like 3% function on the original guts.

but here we are, he is back on the donor list, a young man with a bright
future, yet a very grim and short one at the same time.

Im not asking you to give up your guts, unless its something you want to
do. All im asking is that you share this to social media if you use it.


Thank you

now returning to regularly scheduled programming

-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

[James Howard via Af]

Sounds like he works the same kind of magic with customer prices as he does 
with your pay.  Only difference is that he’s the customer when it comes to your 
pay..


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

i rarely have good to say about the way my boss runs things, but he is a 
magician at the rate plan changes. we have never directly raise prices, for the 
most part we have always either kept them the same  price or lowered the cost 
to stay where you are at. usually any rate plan changes come with the option to 
get more for less, knowing full well that they ultimately will move up a tier 
in the future because they want more. since we quit directly selling the speed 
and moved to consumption based pricing it gives a lot more leverage to make 
global changes with a limited demand increase on the infrastructure. It costs 
us alot less to offer more consumption than to offer more speed, and everything 
is moving to consumption based anyway, whether you like it or not. our absolute 
lowest tier is marketed as an email only plan with a 5gb cap to throttled 
speed. but we actually moved it to 10gb because there were too many hitting 6gb 
that would have needed to move up a tier just to get an extra gb, easier to 
raise it for free, and we still get about a 50% take rate to the next tier 
anyway.  things like that are how we are able to raise prices without actually 
raising prices. Because of it, even though we went through a negative customer 
growth (i like that buzz word) our profits increased, and now that we are on a 
positive customer growth trend, that profit increases quickly which is why we 
just dropped over 100k buying up the available 320 market at the time (yeah, we 
were one of the ones that helped cause that). I wish I could provide the 
specific details of the two major rate changes in the last five years, because 
they were both pretty ingenious, ultimately getting customers to thank you for 
raising their prices, just by giving them ownership of the decision.

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 5:12 PM, David Milholen via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
This is what we have done..

On 10/4/2014 4:02 PM, Jon Langeler via Af wrote:
Yeah I wouldn't raise prices on a 900SM customer. Get ready to overhaul the 
network with faster options before charging more. But definitely charge more as 
opposed to going cheaper. Markets may vary...

Jon

On Oct 4, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Very good input from all of you!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 4:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

Everyone seems to expect our prices will go down, it’s the Internet after all, 
everything is supposed to get cheaper until it’s free, right?  We haven’t 
raised prices in 10 years, and we are feeling some pressure to lower prices 
about 10%, I guess that’s from competition though and it sounds like you don’t 
have too much of that problem.

JAB has people here expecting $40/$50/$60 for 5M/10M/15M speed.  They do have 
an equipment fee and a support plan in the fine print though.

One school of thought is you gotta have added fees, otherwise you just look 
more expensive in a comparison.  (And people do compare prices, even if the 
other guys can’t get them service.)  Another school of thought is, if you do a 
price increase, make it big enough you don’t have another one in a year.  
Although that never seems to stop the cable companies.  Another school of 
thought is to make it look like you are giving them something for the price 
increase, that’s the game the cablecos play, more content.  Not sure what you 
could give away though, if you are already at 5M and unlimited usage.  I guess 
as long as you are saying “up to”, you could raise the number.

From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential  basic plan.  Some of 
our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 years (or more).  Around 
$ 45 / month for “up to 5Mbit/1Mbit”.  Probably 25% of those customers, we are 
the only “good” source for Internet.  The rest have varying levels of DSL or 
cable options.

Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49.  Maybe a little more, haven’t 
decided.

How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on “rolling contracts” 
?

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net


--
[cid:image001.jpg@01CFE018.7EA2D030]



--
Al

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT

[That One Guy via Af]

Russia just bought Pabst Blue Ribbon, the sanctions are utterly ignored.
Isnt it all mfg in china anyway, china wont stop the shipments to russia
they havent released a complete product yet, theyre stagnant, once the get
production quality hardware to market instead of the beta gear theyve got
out now, their value will tick back up.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

> He sold in May and went away?
>
>
> -Original Message- From: chuck--- via Af Sent: Friday, October 03,
> 2014 4:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT
> Where is Doug Clark when you need him?
>
> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson via Af Sent: Friday,
> October 3, 2014 2:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT
> Wow... looks like UBNT is struggling on the market the last two weeks.
> Down to $35 today.  Glad I sold at $48 a few weeks ago. :)
>
> Who posted it would be at $75 by year's end? Hope they weren't really
> counting on that...
>
> Travis
>
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] snow

[That One Guy via Af]

Thats what amazes me here in illinois, we have had this shitty weather
forever, but inevitably for the first third of the snow season everybody
acts like they grew up in a desert and has never seen snow before so they
freak out and forget everything from their rules of the road book in
drivers ed. When i worked in EMS that was my favorite time of year, I love
trauma and nothing better than a moron in an SUV running 75 in a snowstorm
to ensure there will be blood. My license is still valid but in inactive
status, that time of year it is really hard to not go re-up just for the
blood too bad the douchbags in the SUVs usually have a kid in the car
with them

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:51 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af <
af@afmug.com> wrote:

> You know what Bill, just take your nice weather and... enjoy it I guess.
> Bastard. Chicago sucks right now. I was on I55 this morning, mostly rain,
> then a little bit of snow came down and everyone had to start driving like
> idiots like it was a blizzard. I'm sure 5k flights got cancelled too. Next
> week it will be back up into the mid 60s though.
>
> On 10/4/2014 9:54 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
>
>> We're in the midst of a heat advisory through today. We'll be visiting
>> friends in the NE Bay, where they expect temps near 100.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> On 10/4/2014 7:00 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>>
>>> What happened to October?  Is it like Windows 9, we just skipped it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

[That One Guy via Af]

i rarely have good to say about the way my boss runs things, but he is a
magician at the rate plan changes. we have never directly raise prices, for
the most part we have always either kept them the same  price or lowered
the cost to stay where you are at. usually any rate plan changes come with
the option to get more for less, knowing full well that they ultimately
will move up a tier in the future because they want more. since we quit
directly selling the speed and moved to consumption based pricing it gives
a lot more leverage to make global changes with a limited demand increase
on the infrastructure. It costs us alot less to offer more consumption than
to offer more speed, and everything is moving to consumption based anyway,
whether you like it or not. our absolute lowest tier is marketed as an
email only plan with a 5gb cap to throttled speed. but we actually moved it
to 10gb because there were too many hitting 6gb that would have needed to
move up a tier just to get an extra gb, easier to raise it for free, and we
still get about a 50% take rate to the next tier anyway.  things like that
are how we are able to raise prices without actually raising prices.
Because of it, even though we went through a negative customer growth (i
like that buzz word) our profits increased, and now that we are on a
positive customer growth trend, that profit increases quickly which is why
we just dropped over 100k buying up the available 320 market at the time
(yeah, we were one of the ones that helped cause that). I wish I could
provide the specific details of the two major rate changes in the last five
years, because they were both pretty ingenious, ultimately getting
customers to thank you for raising their prices, just by giving them
ownership of the decision.

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 5:12 PM, David Milholen via Af  wrote:

>  This is what we have done..
>
>
> On 10/4/2014 4:02 PM, Jon Langeler via Af wrote:
>
> Yeah I wouldn't raise prices on a 900SM customer. Get ready to overhaul
> the network with faster options before charging more. But definitely charge
> more as opposed to going cheaper. Markets may vary...
>
>  Jon
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Paul McCall via Af  wrote:
>
>   Very good input from all of you!
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof via Af
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 04, 2014 4:32 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?
>
>
>
> Everyone seems to expect our prices will go down, it’s the Internet after
> all, everything is supposed to get cheaper until it’s free, right?  We
> haven’t raised prices in 10 years, and we are feeling some pressure to
> lower prices about 10%, I guess that’s from competition though and it
> sounds like you don’t have too much of that problem.
>
>
>
> JAB has people here expecting $40/$50/$60 for 5M/10M/15M speed.  They do
> have an equipment fee and a support plan in the fine print though.
>
>
>
> One school of thought is you gotta have added fees, otherwise you just
> look more expensive in a comparison.  (And people do compare prices, even
> if the other guys can’t get them service.)  Another school of thought is,
> if you do a price increase, make it big enough you don’t have another one
> in a year.  Although that never seems to stop the cable companies.  Another
> school of thought is to make it look like you are giving them something for
> the price increase, that’s the game the cablecos play, more content.  Not
> sure what you could give away though, if you are already at 5M and
> unlimited usage.  I guess as long as you are saying “up to”, you could
> raise the number.
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul McCall via Af 
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 04, 2014 3:00 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?
>
>
>
> We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential  basic plan.
> Some of our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 years (or
> more).  Around $ 45 / month for “up to 5Mbit/1Mbit”.  Probably 25% of those
> customers, we are the only “good” source for Internet.  The rest have
> varying levels of DSL or cable options.
>
>
>
> Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49.  Maybe a little more, haven’t
> decided.
>
>
>
> How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on “rolling
> contracts” ?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>
>
> --
>



-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

[David Milholen via Af]

This is what we have done..

On 10/4/2014 4:02 PM, Jon Langeler via Af wrote:
Yeah I wouldn't raise prices on a 900SM customer. Get ready to 
overhaul the network with faster options before charging more. But 
definitely charge more as opposed to going cheaper. Markets may vary...


Jon


On Oct 4, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Paul McCall via Af > wrote:



Very good input from all of you!

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof via Af
*Sent:* Saturday, October 04, 2014 4:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

Everyone seems to expect our prices will go down, it’s the Internet 
after all, everything is supposed to get cheaper until it’s free, 
right?  We haven’t raised prices in 10 years, and we are feeling some 
pressure to lower prices about 10%, I guess that’s from competition 
though and it sounds like you don’t have too much of that problem.


JAB has people here expecting $40/$50/$60 for 5M/10M/15M speed.  They 
do have an equipment fee and a support plan in the fine print though.


One school of thought is you gotta have added fees, otherwise you 
just look more expensive in a comparison. (And people do compare 
prices, even if the other guys can’t get them service.)  Another 
school of thought is, if you do a price increase, make it big enough 
you don’t have another one in a year. Although that never seems to 
stop the cable companies.  Another school of thought is to make it 
look like you are giving them something for the price increase, 
that’s the game the cablecos play, more content.  Not sure what you 
could give away though, if you are already at 5M and unlimited 
usage.  I guess as long as you are saying “up to”, you could raise 
the number.


*From:*Paul McCall via Af 

*Sent:*Saturday, October 04, 2014 3:00 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*[AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential basic plan.  
Some of our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 years 
(or more). Around $ 45 / month for “up to 5Mbit/1Mbit”. Probably 25% 
of those customers, we are the only “good” source for Internet.  The 
rest have varying levels of DSL or cable options.


Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49.  Maybe a little more, 
haven’t decided.


How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on “rolling 
contracts” ?


Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com 

pa...@pdmnet.net 



--

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

[Paul McCall via Af]

We are overhauling ☺   some 450, mostly ePMP. Definitely, will give them a 
little more of something… either sustained or burst speed.  Maybe free month to 
try a higher plan as well.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 5:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

Yeah I wouldn't raise prices on a 900SM customer. Get ready to overhaul the 
network with faster options before charging more. But definitely charge more as 
opposed to going cheaper. Markets may vary...

Jon

On Oct 4, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Very good input from all of you!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 4:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

Everyone seems to expect our prices will go down, it’s the Internet after all, 
everything is supposed to get cheaper until it’s free, right?  We haven’t 
raised prices in 10 years, and we are feeling some pressure to lower prices 
about 10%, I guess that’s from competition though and it sounds like you don’t 
have too much of that problem.

JAB has people here expecting $40/$50/$60 for 5M/10M/15M speed.  They do have 
an equipment fee and a support plan in the fine print though.

One school of thought is you gotta have added fees, otherwise you just look 
more expensive in a comparison.  (And people do compare prices, even if the 
other guys can’t get them service.)  Another school of thought is, if you do a 
price increase, make it big enough you don’t have another one in a year.  
Although that never seems to stop the cable companies.  Another school of 
thought is to make it look like you are giving them something for the price 
increase, that’s the game the cablecos play, more content.  Not sure what you 
could give away though, if you are already at 5M and unlimited usage.  I guess 
as long as you are saying “up to”, you could raise the number.

From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential  basic plan.  Some of 
our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 years (or more).  Around 
$ 45 / month for “up to 5Mbit/1Mbit”.  Probably 25% of those customers, we are 
the only “good” source for Internet.  The rest have varying levels of DSL or 
cable options.

Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49.  Maybe a little more, haven’t 
decided.

How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on “rolling contracts” 
?

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

[Jon Langeler via Af]

Yeah I wouldn't raise prices on a 900SM customer. Get ready to overhaul the 
network with faster options before charging more. But definitely charge more as 
opposed to going cheaper. Markets may vary...

Jon


> On Oct 4, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Paul McCall via Af  wrote:
> 
> Very good input from all of you!
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 4:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?
>  
> Everyone seems to expect our prices will go down, it’s the Internet after 
> all, everything is supposed to get cheaper until it’s free, right?  We 
> haven’t raised prices in 10 years, and we are feeling some pressure to lower 
> prices about 10%, I guess that’s from competition though and it sounds like 
> you don’t have too much of that problem.
>  
> JAB has people here expecting $40/$50/$60 for 5M/10M/15M speed.  They do have 
> an equipment fee and a support plan in the fine print though.
>  
> One school of thought is you gotta have added fees, otherwise you just look 
> more expensive in a comparison.  (And people do compare prices, even if the 
> other guys can’t get them service.)  Another school of thought is, if you do 
> a price increase, make it big enough you don’t have another one in a year.  
> Although that never seems to stop the cable companies.  Another school of 
> thought is to make it look like you are giving them something for the price 
> increase, that’s the game the cablecos play, more content.  Not sure what you 
> could give away though, if you are already at 5M and unlimited usage.  I 
> guess as long as you are saying “up to”, you could raise the number.
>  
> From: Paul McCall via Af
> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 3:00 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?
>  
> We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential  basic plan.  Some 
> of our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 years (or more).  
> Around $ 45 / month for “up to 5Mbit/1Mbit”.  Probably 25% of those 
> customers, we are the only “good” source for Internet.  The rest have varying 
> levels of DSL or cable options.
>  
> Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49.  Maybe a little more, haven’t 
> decided.
>  
> How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on “rolling 
> contracts” ?
>  
> Paul
>  
> Paul McCall, Pres.
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800 office
> 772-473-0352 cell
> www.pdmnet.com
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>  

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

[Paul McCall via Af]

Very good input from all of you!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 4:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

Everyone seems to expect our prices will go down, it’s the Internet after all, 
everything is supposed to get cheaper until it’s free, right?  We haven’t 
raised prices in 10 years, and we are feeling some pressure to lower prices 
about 10%, I guess that’s from competition though and it sounds like you don’t 
have too much of that problem.

JAB has people here expecting $40/$50/$60 for 5M/10M/15M speed.  They do have 
an equipment fee and a support plan in the fine print though.

One school of thought is you gotta have added fees, otherwise you just look 
more expensive in a comparison.  (And people do compare prices, even if the 
other guys can’t get them service.)  Another school of thought is, if you do a 
price increase, make it big enough you don’t have another one in a year.  
Although that never seems to stop the cable companies.  Another school of 
thought is to make it look like you are giving them something for the price 
increase, that’s the game the cablecos play, more content.  Not sure what you 
could give away though, if you are already at 5M and unlimited usage.  I guess 
as long as you are saying “up to”, you could raise the number.

From: Paul McCall via Af
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential  basic plan.  Some of 
our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 years (or more).  Around 
$ 45 / month for “up to 5Mbit/1Mbit”.  Probably 25% of those customers, we are 
the only “good” source for Internet.  The rest have varying levels of DSL or 
cable options.

Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49.  Maybe a little more, haven’t 
decided.

How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on “rolling contracts” 
?

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

Everyone seems to expect our prices will go down, it’s the Internet after all, 
everything is supposed to get cheaper until it’s free, right?  We haven’t 
raised prices in 10 years, and we are feeling some pressure to lower prices 
about 10%, I guess that’s from competition though and it sounds like you don’t 
have too much of that problem.

JAB has people here expecting $40/$50/$60 for 5M/10M/15M speed.  They do have 
an equipment fee and a support plan in the fine print though.

One school of thought is you gotta have added fees, otherwise you just look 
more expensive in a comparison.  (And people do compare prices, even if the 
other guys can’t get them service.)  Another school of thought is, if you do a 
price increase, make it big enough you don’t have another one in a year.  
Although that never seems to stop the cable companies.  Another school of 
thought is to make it look like you are giving them something for the price 
increase, that’s the game the cablecos play, more content.  Not sure what you 
could give away though, if you are already at 5M and unlimited usage.  I guess 
as long as you are saying “up to”, you could raise the number.

From: Paul McCall via Af 
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential  basic plan.  Some of 
our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 years (or more).  Around 
$ 45 / month for “up to 5Mbit/1Mbit”.  Probably 25% of those customers, we are 
the only “good” source for Internet.  The rest have varying levels of DSL or 
cable options.

 

Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49.  Maybe a little more, haven’t 
decided.

 

How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on “rolling contracts” 
?

 

Paul

 

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com

pa...@pdmnet.net

 

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

[Travis Johnson via Af]

I think most customers are OK with a small increase (like $45 to $49). 
If you break into the $50 range, you may get some resistance.


You could always do "up to 100Mbit" for $49, since the speeds are "up 
to" anyway. ;)


Travis

On 10/4/2014 2:00 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:


We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential  basic plan.  
Some of our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 years 
(or more).  Around $ 45 / month for "up to 5Mbit/1Mbit".  Probably 25% 
of those customers, we are the only "good" source for Internet.  The 
rest have varying levels of DSL or cable options.


Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49.  Maybe a little more, 
haven't decided.


How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on "rolling 
contracts" ?


Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com 

pa...@pdmnet.net 

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

[Chuck McCown via Af]

First, change the names of your rate plans.  Make the current lowest plan the 
“economy” plan.  Then next month, tell people that so few are on the economy 
plan that you are going to eliminate it and move them up one notch.

From: Paul McCall via Af 
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 2:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential  basic plan.  Some of 
our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 years (or more).  Around 
$ 45 / month for “up to 5Mbit/1Mbit”.  Probably 25% of those customers, we are 
the only “good” source for Internet.  The rest have varying levels of DSL or 
cable options.

 

Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49.  Maybe a little more, haven’t 
decided.

 

How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on “rolling contracts” 
?

 

Paul

 

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband 

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com

pa...@pdmnet.net

 

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

[Darin Steffl via Af]

This has come up in past email threads and I think the best way to
institute a price increase is to give them something to go along with it if
you're forcing the increase and not making it voluntary. Even half a meg of
speed increase and a nice letter stating the cost of upgrades and reliable
networks. Charge more because you can but also give more because you can as
well. Customers want something in return for the increase so state
everything you've done that justifies the increase.

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Paul McCall via Af  wrote:

>  We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential  basic plan.
> Some of our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 years (or
> more).  Around $ 45 / month for “up to 5Mbit/1Mbit”.  Probably 25% of those
> customers, we are the only “good” source for Internet.  The rest have
> varying levels of DSL or cable options.
>
>
>
> Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49.  Maybe a little more, haven’t
> decided.
>
>
>
> How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on “rolling
> contracts” ?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>



-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] 13.2 (Build32) Beta Software is Now Available!‏‏

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af]

Yeah, that's what I needed. Varying multipath events causing sessions to 
drop. And so far on build 30 and now 32, not one single session issue on 
any SM on my test sector.


What you don't want is the AP transmitting to a bunch of SMs at MIMO-A 
24x7, even worse QPSK MIMO-A. If you have that, then you're probably 
trying NLOS and -80 power level.. that's just not gonna work for me, 
total waste of resources.


On 10/4/2014 7:16 AM, Jon Langeler via Af wrote:
It dynamically goes between MIMO-A and MIMO-B based on conditions so 
there's not a fixed throughput hit. It could helps with the occasional 
fade to keep the link running...


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

On Oct 4, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Bill Prince via Af > wrote:


In theory, if an SM has to do MIMO-A, the total throughput would be 
half of what you could do in dual payload mode.  It should not cause 
another SM to modulate down at all.

bp
On 10/3/2014 9:41 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
how bad is the overall throughput hit in MIMO-A, did you notice if 
it cause the other SMs to modulate down?


On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:34 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) 
via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:


Yes, I have a sector loaded that needed MIMO-A. And I found some
minor GUI issues and the Moto binary data GPS bug that has now
been fixed in build 32. But obviously I don't have things
configured like others, such as PPPoE, NAT, VLANs, etc. I just
do bridge, no auth/RADIUS, very few APs doing VLAN. So I would
encourage more folks to test it out and give feedback to Cambium
so they can get any remaining issues ironed out and get 13.2
official out. From the improvements I've seen so far, I want it
on every 450 AP and SM, right meow!


On 10/3/2014 9:55 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

On 13.2 already George?ן¿½ I am happy to let you others get the
bleeding done before I step over the edge.

I think I will wait about a week before I give it a rip; and
then only only low-population APs.


bp
On 10/3/2014 6:28 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
wrote:

I was just discussing with Aaron offlist about build 32
AutoSync selecting the on-board GPS instead of timing port at
boot. The deployed AP I have been testing on has a Parasitic
SyncPipe, no power port sync and the iGPS on this AP usually
always has a good lock. Prior to build 32, it would always
boot up and use the timing port. Now build 32 wants the
on-board at boot, at least every time I've had a chance to
reboot the AP, which has only been the update from build 30 to
32 and one reboot afterwards so far.

I would like to know if anyone else sees the same thing
happening with build 32. Maybe it's just me, but I would
prefer it to come up on the timing port before the on-board
GPS for tracking GPS status of the attached SyncPipe.

BTW, I've seen a very nice improvement in 13.2 beta for both
throughput and session issues during multipath events. I think
13.2 is going to be a major leap forward for the 450.

On 10/3/2014 6:19 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote:


Since the last Open Beta load (Build 30), this also contains:

ן¿½

  * Fix for negative VC count on home page
  * New OID to see NAT table size in use
  * Fix for Active FTP with NAT
  * PPPoE Control Message High Priority with VLAN Enabled

ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ Added missing OIDs for IPv6 packet
filtering configuration

ן¿½

We are very close to release, so please give this load a try!

ן¿½

Regards,

ן¿½

-Aaron

ן¿½

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *John
Mehling via Af
*Sent:* Friday, October 03, 2014 6:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] 13.2 (Build32) Beta Software is Now
Available!ן¿½ן¿½

ן¿½

Folks,

Software version 13.2(Build32) has been added to the Cambium
Open Beta program for PMP450, PMP430, and PTP230.

Please go
here:ן¿½https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/betaן¿½if you
would like to test the new load and offer feedback on the
Beta Forum.

ן¿½Fixes in this release include:

ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ Fix for Motorola
Binary GPS based devices (CMM2, SyncPipe, etc)

ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ Fix for PTP450 link
test with small packets causing session drop and/or invalid
readings

ן¿½

This version also adds OID support for IPv6 packet filtering.

As always, we look forward to your feedback.ן¿½ Thank you!

-John

ן¿½

ן¿½

*John Mehling*

Senior Engineer - Support


*Cambium Networks*
3800 Golf Rd.,ן¿½ Suite 360

Rolling Meadows, IL 60008

www.cambiumnetworks.com 




ן¿½










--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that 
the pa

[AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

[Paul McCall via Af]

We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential  basic plan.  Some of 
our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 years (or more).  Around 
$ 45 / month for "up to 5Mbit/1Mbit".  Probably 25% of those customers, we are 
the only "good" source for Internet.  The rest have varying levels of DSL or 
cable options.

Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49.  Maybe a little more, haven't 
decided.

How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on "rolling contracts" 
?

Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] snow

[George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af]

You know what Bill, just take your nice weather and... enjoy it I guess. 
Bastard. Chicago sucks right now. I was on I55 this morning, mostly 
rain, then a little bit of snow came down and everyone had to start 
driving like idiots like it was a blizzard. I'm sure 5k flights got 
cancelled too. Next week it will be back up into the mid 60s though.


On 10/4/2014 9:54 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
We're in the midst of a heat advisory through today. We'll be visiting 
friends in the NE Bay, where they expect temps near 100.


bp

On 10/4/2014 7:00 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

What happened to October?  Is it like Windows 9, we just skipped it?

Re: [AFMUG] 13.2 (Build32) Beta Software is Now Available!‏‏

[David Milholen via Af]

any improvements is a great step forward on the existing platform which 
is great just FYI
With 3 towers on mt tops that all face inward to the metro GPS is a must 
and it makes

frequency planning easy and scalable to do other things with.

On 10/4/2014 9:53 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
Depends on the load on both that SM and the other SMs.  It will take 
time slots, so it will have an impact on aggregate throughput, but it 
will have no impact on how other SMs modulate.

bp
On 10/3/2014 10:30 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
if you have a 10mb unit running in mimo a is it going to pull 10 mb 
or whatever mimo a correlates to on that unit?  if it has less 
throughput is it still consuming 10mb of ap capacity?
If it still pulls 10mb, how much of the ap aggregate capacity is 
consumed?


On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Bill Prince via Af > wrote:


In theory, if an SM has to do MIMO-A, the total throughput would
be half of what you could do in dual payload mode.  It should not
cause another SM to modulate down at all.

bp

On 10/3/2014 9:41 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

how bad is the overall throughput hit in MIMO-A, did you notice
if it cause the other SMs to modulate down?

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:34 PM, George Skorup (Cyber
Broadcasting) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Yes, I have a sector loaded that needed MIMO-A. And I found
some minor GUI issues and the Moto binary data GPS bug that
has now been fixed in build 32. But obviously I don't have
things configured like others, such as PPPoE, NAT, VLANs,
etc. I just do bridge, no auth/RADIUS, very few APs doing
VLAN. So I would encourage more folks to test it out and
give feedback to Cambium so they can get any remaining
issues ironed out and get 13.2 official out. From the
improvements I've seen so far, I want it on every 450 AP and
SM, right meow!


On 10/3/2014 9:55 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

On 13.2 already George?ן¿½ I am happy to let you others get
the bleeding done before I step over the edge.

I think I will wait about a week before I give it a rip;
and then only only low-population APs.


bp
On 10/3/2014 6:28 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
via Af wrote:

I was just discussing with Aaron offlist about build 32
AutoSync selecting the on-board GPS instead of timing port
at boot. The deployed AP I have been testing on has a
Parasitic SyncPipe, no power port sync and the iGPS on
this AP usually always has a good lock. Prior to build 32,
it would always boot up and use the timing port. Now build
32 wants the on-board at boot, at least every time I've
had a chance to reboot the AP, which has only been the
update from build 30 to 32 and one reboot afterwards so far.

I would like to know if anyone else sees the same thing
happening with build 32. Maybe it's just me, but I would
prefer it to come up on the timing port before the
on-board GPS for tracking GPS status of the attached SyncPipe.

BTW, I've seen a very nice improvement in 13.2 beta for
both throughput and session issues during multipath
events. I think 13.2 is going to be a major leap forward
for the 450.

On 10/3/2014 6:19 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote:


Since the last Open Beta load (Build 30), this also contains:

ן¿½

  * Fix for negative VC count on home page
  * New OID to see NAT table size in use
  * Fix for Active FTP with NAT
  * PPPoE Control Message High Priority with VLAN Enabled

ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ Added missing OIDs for IPv6
packet filtering configuration

ן¿½

We are very close to release, so please give this load a try!

ן¿½

Regards,

ן¿½

-Aaron

ן¿½

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*John Mehling via Af
*Sent:* Friday, October 03, 2014 6:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] 13.2 (Build32) Beta Software is Now
Available!ן¿½ן¿½

ן¿½

Folks,

Software version 13.2(Build32) has been added to the
Cambium Open Beta program for PMP450, PMP430, and PTP230.

Please go
here:ן¿½https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/betaן¿½if you
would like to test the new load and offer feedback on the
Beta Forum.

ן¿½Fixes in this release include:

ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ Fix for Motorola
Binary GPS based devices (CMM2, SyncPipe, etc)

ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ Fix for PTP450
link test with small packets causing session drop and/or
invalid readings

ן¿½

This version

Re: [AFMUG] snow

[That One Guy via Af]

pffft

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 11:42 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
wrote:

>
> But we even got you a hoodie, so you can be all enimem stype...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jay Weekley via Af 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 04, 2014 9:08 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] snow
>
> It was 45 degrees this morning in Alabama. I'm tired of cold weather
> already. I'm ready for Summer.
>
> Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
> > What happened to October?  Is it like Windows 9, we just skipped it?
> >
> >
> >
>
>


-- 
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925

Re: [AFMUG] 450 sector

[Mike Hammett via Af]

Maybe he meant to reply to the HFT thread on the WISPA list. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Gino Villarini via Af"  
To: ""  
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 12:30:32 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 sector 


I don't follow either 

Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!! 




On Oct 4, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Mike Hammett via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 





I haven't been feeling well today, so maybe that's why, but you lost me... 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:53:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 sector 


Well can't they use tiny channels and focus all the power in say a 5 MHz 
channel to make that distance carry the little traffic they expect? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Oct 4, 2014 12:51 PM, "Mike Hammett via Af" < af@afmug.com > wrote: 




They do have one that is dual 5 GHz, though. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "Gino Villarini via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 8:28:54 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 sector 

No cause its dual band... not quad pol. 



Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
www.aeronetpr.com 
@aeronetpr 






On 10/3/14, 5:29 PM, "Josh Baird via Af" < af@afmug.com > wrote: 

>Can't you do this on the ITElite dual band sectors? 
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Gino Villarini via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> Alpha antennas makes a quad pol sectorŠ hmm 450 + epmp? 
>> 
>> 
>> Gino A. Villarini 
>> President 
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
>> www.aeronetpr.com 
>> @aeronetpr 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/3/14, 5:18 PM, "Adam Moffett via Af" < af@afmug.com > wrote: 
>>> 
>>> We're actually really liking the 450 sector with the third 10dbi 
>>> connector. We first used it to put connectorized FSK radios on the 
>>> tower without adding another antenna. Since then we've discussed using 
>>> it with ePMP or other products just to have the third connector for 
>>> other uses. We like the idea that we can sneak another single polarity 
>>> 5.4 or 5.7 radio up without much fuss. 
>>> 
>>> I was wondering if they're going to keep making that antenna even 
>>>though 
>>> the FSK compatibility never worked out. Has the rumor mill heard 
>>> anything about it going away or not? Any official word from Cambium? 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] 450 sector

[Gino Villarini via Af]

I don't follow either

Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!


On Oct 4, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Mike Hammett via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

I haven't been feeling well today, so maybe that's why, but you lost me...



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Josh Luthman via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:53:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 sector


Well can't they use tiny channels and focus all the power in say a 5 MHz 
channel to make that distance carry the little traffic they expect?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 4, 2014 12:51 PM, "Mike Hammett via Af" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
They do have one that is dual 5 GHz, though.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Gino Villarini via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 8:28:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 sector

No cause its dual band... not quad pol.



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr






On 10/3/14, 5:29 PM, "Josh Baird via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com>> 
wrote:

>Can't you do this on the ITElite dual band sectors?
>
>> On Oct 3, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Gino Villarini via Af 
>> mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Alpha antennas makes a quad pol sectorŠ hmm 450 + epmp?
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 10/3/14, 5:18 PM, "Adam Moffett via Af" 
>>> mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We're actually really liking the 450 sector with the third 10dbi
>>> connector.  We first used it to put connectorized FSK radios on the
>>> tower without adding another antenna.  Since then we've discussed using
>>> it with ePMP or other products just to have the third connector for
>>> other uses.  We like the idea that we can sneak another single polarity
>>> 5.4 or 5.7 radio up without much fuss.
>>>
>>> I was wondering if they're going to keep making that antenna even
>>>though
>>> the FSK compatibility never worked out.  Has the rumor mill heard
>>> anything about it going away or not?  Any official word from Cambium?
>>

Re: [AFMUG] 450 sector

[Mike Hammett via Af]

I haven't been feeling well today, so maybe that's why, but you lost me... 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:53:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 sector 


Well can't they use tiny channels and focus all the power in say a 5 MHz 
channel to make that distance carry the little traffic they expect? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Oct 4, 2014 12:51 PM, "Mike Hammett via Af" < af@afmug.com > wrote: 




They do have one that is dual 5 GHz, though. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



From: "Gino Villarini via Af" < af@afmug.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 8:28:54 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 sector 

No cause its dual band... not quad pol. 



Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
www.aeronetpr.com 
@aeronetpr 






On 10/3/14, 5:29 PM, "Josh Baird via Af" < af@afmug.com > wrote: 

>Can't you do this on the ITElite dual band sectors? 
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Gino Villarini via Af < af@afmug.com > wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> Alpha antennas makes a quad pol sectorŠ hmm 450 + epmp? 
>> 
>> 
>> Gino A. Villarini 
>> President 
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
>> www.aeronetpr.com 
>> @aeronetpr 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/3/14, 5:18 PM, "Adam Moffett via Af" < af@afmug.com > wrote: 
>>> 
>>> We're actually really liking the 450 sector with the third 10dbi 
>>> connector. We first used it to put connectorized FSK radios on the 
>>> tower without adding another antenna. Since then we've discussed using 
>>> it with ePMP or other products just to have the third connector for 
>>> other uses. We like the idea that we can sneak another single polarity 
>>> 5.4 or 5.7 radio up without much fuss. 
>>> 
>>> I was wondering if they're going to keep making that antenna even 
>>>though 
>>> the FSK compatibility never worked out. Has the rumor mill heard 
>>> anything about it going away or not? Any official word from Cambium? 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] 450 sector

[Josh Luthman via Af]

Well can't they use tiny channels and focus all the power in say a 5 MHz
channel to make that distance carry the little traffic they expect?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Oct 4, 2014 12:51 PM, "Mike Hammett via Af"  wrote:

> They do have one that is dual 5 GHz, though.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Gino Villarini via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, October 4, 2014 8:28:54 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450 sector
>
> No cause its dual band... not quad pol.
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/3/14, 5:29 PM, "Josh Baird via Af"  wrote:
>
> >Can't you do this on the ITElite dual band sectors?
> >
> >> On Oct 3, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Alpha antennas makes a quad pol sectorŠ hmm 450 + epmp?
> >>
> >>
> >> Gino A. Villarini
> >> President
> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >> www.aeronetpr.com
> >> @aeronetpr
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 10/3/14, 5:18 PM, "Adam Moffett via Af"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> We're actually really liking the 450 sector with the third 10dbi
> >>> connector.  We first used it to put connectorized FSK radios on the
> >>> tower without adding another antenna.  Since then we've discussed using
> >>> it with ePMP or other products just to have the third connector for
> >>> other uses.  We like the idea that we can sneak another single polarity
> >>> 5.4 or 5.7 radio up without much fuss.
> >>>
> >>> I was wondering if they're going to keep making that antenna even
> >>>though
> >>> the FSK compatibility never worked out.  Has the rumor mill heard
> >>> anything about it going away or not?  Any official word from Cambium?
> >>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450 sector

[Mike Hammett via Af]

They do have one that is dual 5 GHz, though. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "Gino Villarini via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 8:28:54 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 sector 

No cause its dual band... not quad pol. 



Gino A. Villarini 
President 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
www.aeronetpr.com 
@aeronetpr 






On 10/3/14, 5:29 PM, "Josh Baird via Af"  wrote: 

>Can't you do this on the ITElite dual band sectors? 
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> Alpha antennas makes a quad pol sectorŠ hmm 450 + epmp? 
>> 
>> 
>> Gino A. Villarini 
>> President 
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
>> www.aeronetpr.com 
>> @aeronetpr 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/3/14, 5:18 PM, "Adam Moffett via Af"  wrote: 
>>> 
>>> We're actually really liking the 450 sector with the third 10dbi 
>>> connector. We first used it to put connectorized FSK radios on the 
>>> tower without adding another antenna. Since then we've discussed using 
>>> it with ePMP or other products just to have the third connector for 
>>> other uses. We like the idea that we can sneak another single polarity 
>>> 5.4 or 5.7 radio up without much fuss. 
>>> 
>>> I was wondering if they're going to keep making that antenna even 
>>>though 
>>> the FSK compatibility never worked out. Has the rumor mill heard 
>>> anything about it going away or not? Any official word from Cambium? 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Munin

[Mike Hammett via Af]

I followed a guide in setting up observation of my Unbound DNS servers. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "timothy steele via Af"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2014 11:26:02 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Munin 


Guys on the UBNT forums have made a plugin for munin to monitor UBNT devices 
have any of you used munin? 





http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airOS-Software-Configuration/Now-with-SSH-support-AirOS-plugin-for-Munin-monitoring/td-p/469169
 

— 
Sent from Mailbox 

Re: [AFMUG] snow

[CBB - Jay Fuller via Af]

But we even got you a hoodie, so you can be all enimem stype...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jay Weekley via Af 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 9:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] snow


  It was 45 degrees this morning in Alabama. I'm tired of cold weather 
  already. I'm ready for Summer.

  Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
  > What happened to October?  Is it like Windows 9, we just skipped it?
  >
  >
  >

[AFMUG] Munin

[timothy steele via Af]

Guys on the UBNT forums have made a plugin for munin to monitor UBNT devices 
have any of you used munin?






http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airOS-Software-Configuration/Now-with-SSH-support-AirOS-plugin-for-Munin-monitoring/td-p/469169
—
Sent from Mailbox

Re: [AFMUG] snow

[Mathew Howard via Af]

Fortunately, if there was any snow here it was gone by the time I got up this 
morning... not that 35 degrees and raining is any better.
I think I'll just go into hibernation until spring.

From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Ken Hohhof via Af [af@afmug.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 9:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] snow

What happened to October?  Is it like Windows 9, we just skipped it?

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Chuck Hogg via Af]

Traco Charge Controller & Power supply.

TSP-BCM48
TSP 360–148


Regards,
Chuck

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:

>  What are u using?
>
> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>
>
> On Oct 4, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:
>
>   To be clear, we don't use something like an APC UPS.  We do a battery
> array with a charge controller.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Vince West via Af  wrote:
>
>> Kade,
>>
>>  I can't speak on the fiber, because we have used a few different kinds
>> over the builds we have done. My favorite has been bend insensitive fiber.
>> It is small and can make the same turns the Ethernet and power can without
>> risking a break. It is also really thin and makes for easier movement when
>> securing the cable.
>>
>>  In terms of the PacketFlux gear in the air, if the site is done
>> properly and grounded, there shouldn't be any problems. I have only had to
>> replace two of them since we started building our larger sites out like
>> this. The list Gerard gave is missing two items I believe: breakers and
>> fuses. More often than not, the fuses on the ground are the ones that go.
>> We have one site where our box is 360ft on the tower. This site almost
>> always suffers some kind of issue in major lightning storms. It trips a
>> breaker at the base. The drive out is 20 minutes and worth while compared
>> to having to climb the tower when the storm is over.
>>
>>  We do not use UPSs anymore on the large deployments. The DC box stays
>> on the ground because the power line going up the tower is either fused or
>> has it's own DC breaker. We also have a site monitor at the base to monitor
>> voltage levels on the batteries and we can graph the stats to troubleshoot
>> in the future. Because we use a breaker or fuse in our DC system going from
>> the top to the bottom, it would be a pain to still have to climb to replace
>> a fuse if necessary.
>>
>>  Vince West
>> Tower Hand
>> Technical Support
>> Shelby Broadband
>> 148 Citizens Blvd
>> Simpsonville, KY 40067
>> Phone: 1-888-364-4232
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you guys find that the packetflux gear has a high survival rate up
>>> there?  We have a site that needs converted to DC and recabled, and are
>>> considering this route.  Our thinking is, why put the dc box at the bottom
>>> when we can just put the thing up at the top and run nothing down to the
>>> bottom except power.  All our backhauls are half way up the tower, no
>>> reason to even have anything at the bottom except the UPS.
>>>
>>>  What type of fiber are you guys using for attaching to the tower?  We
>>> will need to run a fiber from 1 level to another on the tower to feed the
>>> backhauls to the APs, and are unsure which type fiber cable to look at.
>>> Should we use armored fiber and just ground the jacket to the tower on each
>>> end, or do we want fiber with no metal jacket so that it's not conductive?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Gerard Dupont III via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Our Top boxes usually contain the following.

  1x Sitemonitor
 2x GigabitSyncInjectors
 1x Citel DS210-48DC
 2x Traco TCL 060-124 DC Down Convertors -
 http://www.tracopower.com/products/tcl-dc.pdf
 1x RB2011
 2x APC PRM4 Surge Chasis
 8x GigEAPC-HV



  Gerard

 On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af 
 wrote:

> We use this, and solder two legs together.  We send 48v DC up to the
> top and downconvert.  I think we've gone about 450' with this 
> configuration
> (including up the tower and along the cable raceway to the inside of a
> building)  However, that's primarily why we send 48v up and downconvert,
> because of the voltage loss.  Gives very clean 24v power to the equipment.
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Portable-Power-Gauge-Conductor/dp/B0076ZT4C2
>
>  It would probably be better for me to take a picture of one of our
> boxes.  We are continually building them as we continue our wireless
> upgrades.
>
>  I don't remember if Gerard resub'd to this list after it moved, but
> he's the engineer behind the box.  He can give you parts.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc
> via Af  wrote:
>
>>  Chuck,
>>
>>  Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ?
>>
>>  I can't seem to find what I need
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:
>>
>>   We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since
>> that standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> This is what we have used f

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Gino Villarini via Af]

What are u using?

Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!


On Oct 4, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

To be clear, we don't use something like an APC UPS.  We do a battery array 
with a charge controller.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Vince West via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Kade,

I can't speak on the fiber, because we have used a few different kinds over the 
builds we have done. My favorite has been bend insensitive fiber. It is small 
and can make the same turns the Ethernet and power can without risking a break. 
It is also really thin and makes for easier movement when securing the cable.

In terms of the PacketFlux gear in the air, if the site is done properly and 
grounded, there shouldn't be any problems. I have only had to replace two of 
them since we started building our larger sites out like this. The list Gerard 
gave is missing two items I believe: breakers and fuses. More often than not, 
the fuses on the ground are the ones that go. We have one site where our box is 
360ft on the tower. This site almost always suffers some kind of issue in major 
lightning storms. It trips a breaker at the base. The drive out is 20 minutes 
and worth while compared to having to climb the tower when the storm is over.

We do not use UPSs anymore on the large deployments. The DC box stays on the 
ground because the power line going up the tower is either fused or has it's 
own DC breaker. We also have a site monitor at the base to monitor voltage 
levels on the batteries and we can graph the stats to troubleshoot in the 
future. Because we use a breaker or fuse in our DC system going from the top to 
the bottom, it would be a pain to still have to climb to replace a fuse if 
necessary.

Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Do you guys find that the packetflux gear has a high survival rate up there?  
We have a site that needs converted to DC and recabled, and are considering 
this route.  Our thinking is, why put the dc box at the bottom when we can just 
put the thing up at the top and run nothing down to the bottom except power.  
All our backhauls are half way up the tower, no reason to even have anything at 
the bottom except the UPS.

What type of fiber are you guys using for attaching to the tower?  We will need 
to run a fiber from 1 level to another on the tower to feed the backhauls to 
the APs, and are unsure which type fiber cable to look at.  Should we use 
armored fiber and just ground the jacket to the tower on each end, or do we 
want fiber with no metal jacket so that it's not conductive?



On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Gerard Dupont III via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Our Top boxes usually contain the following.

1x Sitemonitor
2x GigabitSyncInjectors
1x Citel DS210-48DC
2x Traco TCL 060-124 DC Down Convertors - 
http://www.tracopower.com/products/tcl-dc.pdf
1x RB2011
2x APC PRM4 Surge Chasis
8x GigEAPC-HV



Gerard

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
We use this, and solder two legs together.  We send 48v DC up to the top and 
downconvert.  I think we've gone about 450' with this configuration (including 
up the tower and along the cable raceway to the inside of a building)  However, 
that's primarily why we send 48v up and downconvert, because of the voltage 
loss.  Gives very clean 24v power to the equipment.

http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Portable-Power-Gauge-Conductor/dp/B0076ZT4C2

It would probably be better for me to take a picture of one of our boxes.  We 
are continually building them as we continue our wireless upgrades.

I don't remember if Gerard resub'd to this list after it moved, but he's the 
engineer behind the box.  He can give you parts.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
Chuck,

Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ?

I can't seem to find what I need

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard 
has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.

http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html

Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.



On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af 
mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:
> Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>
> 30-40w total power
>
> Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>
> We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes...
>
> Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Chuck Hogg via Af]

To be clear, we don't use something like an APC UPS.  We do a battery array
with a charge controller.

Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Vince West via Af  wrote:

> Kade,
>
> I can't speak on the fiber, because we have used a few different kinds
> over the builds we have done. My favorite has been bend insensitive fiber.
> It is small and can make the same turns the Ethernet and power can without
> risking a break. It is also really thin and makes for easier movement when
> securing the cable.
>
> In terms of the PacketFlux gear in the air, if the site is done properly
> and grounded, there shouldn't be any problems. I have only had to replace
> two of them since we started building our larger sites out like this. The
> list Gerard gave is missing two items I believe: breakers and fuses. More
> often than not, the fuses on the ground are the ones that go. We have one
> site where our box is 360ft on the tower. This site almost always suffers
> some kind of issue in major lightning storms. It trips a breaker at the
> base. The drive out is 20 minutes and worth while compared to having to
> climb the tower when the storm is over.
>
> We do not use UPSs anymore on the large deployments. The DC box stays on
> the ground because the power line going up the tower is either fused or has
> it's own DC breaker. We also have a site monitor at the base to monitor
> voltage levels on the batteries and we can graph the stats to troubleshoot
> in the future. Because we use a breaker or fuse in our DC system going from
> the top to the bottom, it would be a pain to still have to climb to replace
> a fuse if necessary.
>
> Vince West
> Tower Hand
> Technical Support
> Shelby Broadband
> 148 Citizens Blvd
> Simpsonville, KY 40067
> Phone: 1-888-364-4232
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af  wrote:
>
>> Do you guys find that the packetflux gear has a high survival rate up
>> there?  We have a site that needs converted to DC and recabled, and are
>> considering this route.  Our thinking is, why put the dc box at the bottom
>> when we can just put the thing up at the top and run nothing down to the
>> bottom except power.  All our backhauls are half way up the tower, no
>> reason to even have anything at the bottom except the UPS.
>>
>> What type of fiber are you guys using for attaching to the tower?  We
>> will need to run a fiber from 1 level to another on the tower to feed the
>> backhauls to the APs, and are unsure which type fiber cable to look at.
>> Should we use armored fiber and just ground the jacket to the tower on each
>> end, or do we want fiber with no metal jacket so that it's not conductive?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Gerard Dupont III via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Our Top boxes usually contain the following.
>>>
>>> 1x Sitemonitor
>>> 2x GigabitSyncInjectors
>>> 1x Citel DS210-48DC
>>> 2x Traco TCL 060-124 DC Down Convertors -
>>> http://www.tracopower.com/products/tcl-dc.pdf
>>> 1x RB2011
>>> 2x APC PRM4 Surge Chasis
>>> 8x GigEAPC-HV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gerard
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We use this, and solder two legs together.  We send 48v DC up to the
 top and downconvert.  I think we've gone about 450' with this configuration
 (including up the tower and along the cable raceway to the inside of a
 building)  However, that's primarily why we send 48v up and downconvert,
 because of the voltage loss.  Gives very clean 24v power to the equipment.

 http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Portable-Power-Gauge-Conductor/dp/B0076ZT4C2

 It would probably be better for me to take a picture of one of our
 boxes.  We are continually building them as we continue our wireless
 upgrades.

 I don't remember if Gerard resub'd to this list after it moved, but
 he's the engineer behind the box.  He can give you parts.

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via
 Af  wrote:

> Chuck,
>
> Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ?
>
> I can't seem to find what I need
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:
>
> We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that
> standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af  wrote:
>
>> This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years.
>>
>> http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html
>>
>> Outdoor, UV resistant, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af 
>> wrote:
>> > Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower
>> >
>> > 30-40w total power
>> >
>> > Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable?
>> >
>> > We are inclined on cat 5 for standa

Re: [AFMUG] snow

[Bill Prince via Af]

We're in the midst of a heat advisory through today.  We'll be visiting 
friends in the NE Bay, where they expect temps near 100.


bp

On 10/4/2014 7:00 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

What happened to October?  Is it like Windows 9, we just skipped it?

Re: [AFMUG] 13.2 (Build32) Beta Software is Now Available!‏‏

[Bill Prince via Af]

Depends on the load on both that SM and the other SMs.  It will take 
time slots, so it will have an impact on aggregate throughput, but it 
will have no impact on how other SMs modulate.


bp

On 10/3/2014 10:30 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
if you have a 10mb unit running in mimo a is it going to pull 10 mb or 
whatever mimo a correlates to on that unit?  if it has less throughput 
is it still consuming 10mb of ap capacity?

If it still pulls 10mb, how much of the ap aggregate capacity is consumed?

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Bill Prince via Af > wrote:


In theory, if an SM has to do MIMO-A, the total throughput would
be half of what you could do in dual payload mode.  It should not
cause another SM to modulate down at all.

bp

On 10/3/2014 9:41 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

how bad is the overall throughput hit in MIMO-A, did you notice
if it cause the other SMs to modulate down?

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:34 PM, George Skorup (Cyber
Broadcasting) via Af mailto:af@afmug.com>> wrote:

Yes, I have a sector loaded that needed MIMO-A. And I found
some minor GUI issues and the Moto binary data GPS bug that
has now been fixed in build 32. But obviously I don't have
things configured like others, such as PPPoE, NAT, VLANs,
etc. I just do bridge, no auth/RADIUS, very few APs doing
VLAN. So I would encourage more folks to test it out and give
feedback to Cambium so they can get any remaining issues
ironed out and get 13.2 official out. From the improvements
I've seen so far, I want it on every 450 AP and SM, right meow!


On 10/3/2014 9:55 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:

On 13.2 already George?ן¿½ I am happy to let you others get
the bleeding done before I step over the edge.

I think I will wait about a week before I give it a rip; and
then only only low-population APs.


bp
On 10/3/2014 6:28 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via
Af wrote:

I was just discussing with Aaron offlist about build 32
AutoSync selecting the on-board GPS instead of timing port
at boot. The deployed AP I have been testing on has a
Parasitic SyncPipe, no power port sync and the iGPS on this
AP usually always has a good lock. Prior to build 32, it
would always boot up and use the timing port. Now build 32
wants the on-board at boot, at least every time I've had a
chance to reboot the AP, which has only been the update
from build 30 to 32 and one reboot afterwards so far.

I would like to know if anyone else sees the same thing
happening with build 32. Maybe it's just me, but I would
prefer it to come up on the timing port before the on-board
GPS for tracking GPS status of the attached SyncPipe.

BTW, I've seen a very nice improvement in 13.2 beta for
both throughput and session issues during multipath events.
I think 13.2 is going to be a major leap forward for the 450.

On 10/3/2014 6:19 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote:


Since the last Open Beta load (Build 30), this also contains:

ן¿½

  * Fix for negative VC count on home page
  * New OID to see NAT table size in use
  * Fix for Active FTP with NAT
  * PPPoE Control Message High Priority with VLAN Enabled

ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ Added missing OIDs for IPv6
packet filtering configuration

ן¿½

We are very close to release, so please give this load a try!

ן¿½

Regards,

ן¿½

-Aaron

ן¿½

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*John Mehling via Af
*Sent:* Friday, October 03, 2014 6:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] 13.2 (Build32) Beta Software is Now
Available!ן¿½ן¿½

ן¿½

Folks,

Software version 13.2(Build32) has been added to the
Cambium Open Beta program for PMP450, PMP430, and PTP230.

Please go
here:ן¿½https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/betaן¿½if you
would like to test the new load and offer feedback on the
Beta Forum.

ן¿½Fixes in this release include:

ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ Fix for Motorola
Binary GPS based devices (CMM2, SyncPipe, etc)

ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ Fix for PTP450
link test with small packets causing session drop and/or
invalid readings

ן¿½

This version also adds OID support for IPv6 packet filtering.

As always, we look forward to your feedback.ן¿½ Thank you!

-John

ן¿½

ן¿½

*John Mehling*

Senior Engineer - Support


*Cambium Networks*
3800 Golf Rd.,ן¿½ Suite 360

Rolling Meado

[AFMUG] OT - Mac based botnet

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

So much for the belief that Macs are immune to malware.

http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/10/reddit-powered-botnet-infected-thousands-of-macs-worldwide/ 

Re: [AFMUG] snow

[Jay Weekley via Af]

It was 45 degrees this morning in Alabama. I'm tired of cold weather 
already. I'm ready for Summer.


Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:

What happened to October?  Is it like Windows 9, we just skipped it?

[AFMUG] snow

[Ken Hohhof via Af]

What happened to October?  Is it like Windows 9, we just skipped it?

Re: [AFMUG] 450 sector

[Gino Villarini via Af]

No cause its dual band... not quad pol.



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com  
@aeronetpr






On 10/3/14, 5:29 PM, "Josh Baird via Af"  wrote:

>Can't you do this on the ITElite dual band sectors?
>
>> On Oct 3, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Alpha antennas makes a quad pol sectorŠ hmm 450 + epmp?
>> 
>> 
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/3/14, 5:18 PM, "Adam Moffett via Af"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We're actually really liking the 450 sector with the third 10dbi
>>> connector.  We first used it to put connectorized FSK radios on the
>>> tower without adding another antenna.  Since then we've discussed using
>>> it with ePMP or other products just to have the third connector for
>>> other uses.  We like the idea that we can sneak another single polarity
>>> 5.4 or 5.7 radio up without much fuss.
>>> 
>>> I was wondering if they're going to keep making that antenna even
>>>though
>>> the FSK compatibility never worked out.  Has the rumor mill heard
>>> anything about it going away or not?  Any official word from Cambium?
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] 13.2 (Build32) Beta Software is Now Available!‏‏

[Jon Langeler via Af]

It dynamically goes between MIMO-A and MIMO-B based on conditions so there's 
not a fixed throughput hit. It could helps with the occasional fade to keep the 
link running...

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Oct 4, 2014, at 12:46 AM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:
> 
> In theory, if an SM has to do MIMO-A, the total throughput would be half of 
> what you could do in dual payload mode.  It should not cause another SM to 
> modulate down at all.
> bp
> On 10/3/2014 9:41 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>> how bad is the overall throughput hit in MIMO-A, did you notice if it cause 
>> the other SMs to modulate down?
>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:34 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Yes, I have a sector loaded that needed MIMO-A. And I found some minor GUI 
>>> issues and the Moto binary data GPS bug that has now been fixed in build 
>>> 32. But obviously I don't have things configured like others, such as 
>>> PPPoE, NAT, VLANs, etc. I just do bridge, no auth/RADIUS, very  
>>>few APs doing VLAN. So I would encourage more folks to test it out and 
>>> give feedback to Cambium so they can get any remaining issues ironed out 
>>> and get 13.2 official out. From the improvements I've seen so far, I want 
>>> it on every 450 AP and SM, right meow!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/3/2014 9:55 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
 On 13.2 already George?ן¿½ I am happy to let you others get the bleeding 
 done before I step   over the edge.
 
 I think I will wait about a week before I give it a rip; and then only 
 only low-population APs.
 
 
 bp
 On 10/3/2014 6:28 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote:
> I was just discussing with Aaron offlist about build 32 AutoSync 
> selecting the on-board GPS instead of timing port at boot. The deployed 
> AP I have been testing on has a Parasitic SyncPipe, no power port sync 
> and the iGPS on this AP usually always has a good lock. Prior to build 
> 32, it would always boot up and use the timing port. Now build 32 wants 
> the on-board at boot, at least every time I've had a chance to reboot the 
> AP, which has only been the update from build 30 to 32 and one reboot 
> afterwards so far.
> 
> I would like to know if anyone else sees the same thing happening with 
> build 32. Maybe it's just me, but I would prefer it to come up on the 
> timing port before the on-board GPS for tracking GPS status of the 
> attached SyncPipe.
> 
> BTW, I've seen a very nice improvement in 13.2 beta for both throughput 
> and session issues during multipath events. I think 13.2 is going to be a 
> major leap forward for the 450.
> 
>> On 10/3/2014 6:19 PM, Aaron Schneider via Af wrote:
>> Since the last Open Beta load (Build 30), this also contains:
>> 
>> ן¿½
>> 
>> Fix for negative VC count on home page
>> New OID to see NAT table size in use
>> Fix for Active FTP with NAT
>> PPPoE Control Message High Priority with VLAN Enabled
>> ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ Added missing OIDs for IPv6 packet filtering 
>> configuration
>> 
>> ן¿½
>> 
>> We are very close to release, so please give this load a try!
>> 
>> ן¿½
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> ן¿½
>> 
>> -Aaron
>> 
>> ן¿½
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Mehling via Af
>> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 6:10 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] 13.2 (Build32) Beta Software is Now Available!ן¿½ן¿½
>> 
>> ן¿½
>> 
>> Folks,
>> 
>> Software version 13.2(Build32) has been added to the Cambium Open Beta 
>> program for PMP450, PMP430, and PTP230.
>> 
>> Please go here:ן¿½https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/betaן¿½if you 
>> would like to test the new load and offer feedback on the Beta Forum.
>> 
>> ן¿½Fixes in this release include:
>> 
>> ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ Fix for Motorola Binary GPS 
>> based devices (CMM2, SyncPipe, etc)
>> 
>> ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ן¿½ Fix for PTP450 link test with 
>> small packets causing session drop and/or invalid readings
>> 
>> ן¿½
>> 
>> This version also adds OID support for IPv6 packet filtering.
>> 
>> As always, we look forward to your feedback.ן¿½ Thank you!
>> 
>> -John
>> 
>> ן¿½
>> 
>> ן¿½
>> 
>> John Mehling
>> 
>> Senior Engineer - Support
>> 
>> 
>> Cambium Networks
>> 3800 Golf Rd.,ן¿½ Suite 360
>> 
>> Rolling Meadows, IL 60008
>> 
>> www.cambiumnetworks.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ן¿½
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the 
>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't 
>> get t