Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet with that? Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it. On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress. I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner. *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.
[AFMUG] TWC/BH merging with Charter
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Heres-Time-Warner-Cable-CEOs-Letter-To-Employees-133920
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
I was looking at Ruckus but the price is definitely for someone else’s budget. From: Paul Stewart Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
Don’t give Chuck ideas, that will become #6 in his letter. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter LOL! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 26, 2015 9:03 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: You guys are a riot and I know God is laughing. .hell He made the duckbill platypus...now thats funny. We had on business client install a ptp from his business to his friends house. They went from 6 users to 15it showed up on cpe dhcp list and speeds slowed down. I throttled them to 1mbps after two calls from us. He called to complain. .then threatened to cancel. We fired him and shut down LAN port. He called me a few choice words...oh well...next...I should have asked if I could use his wife for a few days Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 6:30 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination. ;) Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comOn 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet with that? Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it. On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress. I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner. From: TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address.
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
You can use Unifi radios on whatever antenna you want (it is a Rocket after all) to use the Unifi software/management. There is no such thing as M2 AC. 802.11ac doesn't even have 2.4 GHz rules. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:38 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: I agree I am looking more for coverage than capacity. I think most of the campers would be happy just to check and reply to email or be able to upload their float trip and camping pics to FB. I can envision though rainy days where the kids are board and want to stream Netflix. So I am thinking offering a basic email checking sort of speed for a very basic price and then a Netflix / streaming package at a higher price. I dont want to do it by the hour because they will eat up my fees with credit card charges and processing fees. I am thinking a daily rate and a weekend rate or even a weekly rate for each package. Maybe there are campers that come every weekend or a couple of times a month and I could offer a seasonal rate even. But I guess I am mainly wanting to know about equipment. M2 with a 120 sector? What kind of number of subs per M2 Rocket is reasonable for the AP to handle well? What about M2 AC Rocket? Craig -- *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:27:29 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year. Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 Locos? I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, coverage is more important than raw capacity. *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
Use the UniFi+'s with AirPrism (although it's called Mult-Lane RF in those products, but it should be the same damn thing). We have multiple campgrounds we cover with those and the large sectors, just set to the lowest output power possible. Works great, even for RVs. Just make sure to cover all of your angles. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 05/26/2015 05:38 PM, Craig House wrote: I agree I am looking more for coverage than capacity. I think most of the campers would be happy just to check and reply to email or be able to upload their float trip and camping pics to FB. I can envision though rainy days where the kids are board and want to stream Netflix. So I am thinking offering a basic email checking sort of speed for a very basic price and then a Netflix / streaming package at a higher price. I dont want to do it by the hour because they will eat up my fees with credit card charges and processing fees. I am thinking a daily rate and a weekend rate or even a weekly rate for each package. Maybe there are campers that come every weekend or a couple of times a month and I could offer a seasonal rate even. But I guess I am mainly wanting to know about equipment. M2 with a 120 sector? What kind of number of subs per M2 Rocket is reasonable for the AP to handle well? What about M2 AC Rocket? Craig *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:27:29 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year. Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 Locos? I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, coverage is more important than raw capacity. *From:* Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
My son and I installed hundreds of the Cisco latest APs at time last year and controllers along with Cisco Layer 3 switches for large school.district. Sigma Cisco gurus configured themand we tested them. I know what Cisco AC units can do and I know what UniFi AC units can do. Will stick with Ubiquiti. Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
Covering campers suck with omnis. Laptop's signals suck, the other devices are worse. I'd suggest a modest sector to start. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 26, 2015 9:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year. Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 Locos? I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, coverage is more important than raw capacity. *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year. Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 Locos? I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, coverage is more important than raw capacity. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
Ooo very nice Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Luckily this is tent camping, mostly. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:28 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Covering campers suck with omnis. Laptop's signals suck, the other devices are worse. I'd suggest a modest sector to start. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 26, 2015 9:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year. Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 Locos? I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, coverage is more important than raw capacity. *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
That sounds like something not configured or setup properly, I will recommend you talk to UBNT support to see if they help you track down optimize your setup. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:21:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally. Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
The question everyone is asking is if the feedhorn of the M5-400 is the same as the M5-620. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Matt and team are working on this now. Plan is to have lower bands opened first prior to DFS approvals coming through. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The big one!!! [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT And of course we all want to know about DFS... [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: I am just getting caught up on list emails. What other questions were there today? On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few units worth of sales...? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hi Paul - Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with support at all on this? Thanks, Ben On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
You guys are a riot and I know God is laughing. .hell He made the duckbill platypus...now thats funny. We had on business client install a ptp from his business to his friends house. They went from 6 users to 15it showed up on cpe dhcp list and speeds slowed down. I throttled them to 1mbps after two calls from us. He called to complain. .then threatened to cancel. We fired him and shut down LAN port. He called me a few choice words...oh well...next...I should have asked if I could use his wife for a few days Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 6:30 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination. ;) Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet with that? Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it. On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress. I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner. *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
Luckily this is tent camping, mostly. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Covering campers suck with omnis. Laptop's signals suck, the other devices are worse. I'd suggest a modest sector to start. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 26, 2015 9:27 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year. Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 Locos? I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, coverage is more important than raw capacity. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few units worth of sales...? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hi Paul - Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with support at all on this? Thanks, Ben On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
Hi Paul - Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with support at all on this? Thanks, Ben On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
and to be more specific, if the M5-400 is one of the ones that's still pending... since that's pretty much the only one I care about at this point. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The question everyone is asking is if the feedhorn of the M5-400 is the same as the M5-620. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Matt and team are working on this now. Plan is to have lower bands opened first prior to DFS approvals coming through. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The big one!!! [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT And of course we all want to know about DFS... [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: I am just getting caught up on list emails. What other questions were there today? On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few units worth of sales...? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hi Paul - Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with support at all on this? Thanks, Ben On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
Yes, M5-400 will get lower bands first as well (also approved). Yes, 620 is same feed. Thanks, Ben On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:46 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: and to be more specific, if the M5-400 is one of the ones that's still pending... since that's pretty much the only one I care about at this point. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The question everyone is asking is if the feedhorn of the M5-400 is the same as the M5-620. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Matt and team are working on this now. Plan is to have lower bands opened first prior to DFS approvals coming through. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The big one!!! [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT And of course we all want to know about DFS... [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: I am just getting caught up on list emails. What other questions were there today? On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few units worth of sales...? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hi Paul - Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with support at all on this? Thanks, Ben On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination. ;) Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet with that? Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it. On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress. I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner. *From:* TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? *From:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. *From:* Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. *From:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
LOL! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 26, 2015 9:03 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: You guys are a riot and I know God is laughing. .hell He made the duckbill platypus...now thats funny. We had on business client install a ptp from his business to his friends house. They went from 6 users to 15it showed up on cpe dhcp list and speeds slowed down. I throttled them to 1mbps after two calls from us. He called to complain. .then threatened to cancel. We fired him and shut down LAN port. He called me a few choice words...oh well...next...I should have asked if I could use his wife for a few days Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 6:30 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination. ;) Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet with that? Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it. On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress. I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner. *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
We need a like button here!!! Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 26, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: You guys are a riot and I know God is laughing. .hell He made the duckbill platypus...now thats funny. We had on business client install a ptp from his business to his friends house. They went from 6 users to 15it showed up on cpe dhcp list and speeds slowed down. I throttled them to 1mbps after two calls from us. He called to complain. .then threatened to cancel. We fired him and shut down LAN port. He called me a few choice words...oh well...next...I should have asked if I could use his wife for a few days Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 6:30 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination. ;) Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet with that? Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it. On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress. I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner. From: TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
I agree I am looking more for coverage than capacity. I think most of the campers would be happy just to check and reply to email or be able to upload their float trip and camping pics to FB. I can envision though rainy days where the kids are board and want to stream Netflix. So I am thinking offering a basic email checking sort of speed for a very basic price and then a Netflix / streaming package at a higher price. I dont want to do it by the hour because they will eat up my fees with credit card charges and processing fees. I am thinking a daily rate and a weekend rate or even a weekly rate for each package. Maybe there are campers that come every weekend or a couple of times a month and I could offer a seasonal rate even. But I guess I am mainly wanting to know about equipment. M2 with a 120 sector? What kind of number of subs per M2 Rocket is reasonable for the AP to handle well? What about M2 AC Rocket? Craig - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:27:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year. Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 Locos? I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, coverage is more important than raw capacity. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally. Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
Then you want Ruckus\Xirrus, not Cisco. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:21:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally. Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
Matt and team are working on this now. Plan is to have lower bands opened first prior to DFS approvals coming through. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The big one!!! [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT And of course we all want to know about DFS... [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: I am just getting caught up on list emails. What other questions were there today? On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few units worth of sales...? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hi Paul - Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with support at all on this? Thanks, Ben On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
Separate list? ;) On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The big one!!! [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT And of course we all want to know about DFS... [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: I am just getting caught up on list emails. What other questions were there today? On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few units worth of sales...? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hi Paul - Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with support at all on this? Thanks, Ben On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
The big one!!! [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT And of course we all want to know about DFS... [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: I am just getting caught up on list emails. What other questions were there today? On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few units worth of sales...? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hi Paul - Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with support at all on this? Thanks, Ben On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
The PBEM5 feed is on the UNII-1 list as approved right now... Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 05/26/2015 06:46 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: and to be more specific, if the M5-400 is one of the ones that's still pending... since that's pretty much the only one I care about at this point. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The question everyone is asking is if the feedhorn of the M5-400 is the same as the M5-620. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Matt and team are working on this now. Plan is to have lower bands opened first prior to DFS approvals coming through. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The big one!!! [Ubnt_users] What is the plan UBNT And of course we all want to know about DFS... [Ubnt_users] FCC Site - lots of updates Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: I am just getting caught up on list emails. What other questions were there today? On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The only post you respond to today is the one where you can make a few units worth of sales...? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 10:07 PM, Ben Moore ben.mo...@ubnt.com mailto:ben.mo...@ubnt.com wrote: Hi Paul - Would be interested to look into this more. Have you worked with support at all on this? Thanks, Ben On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: We have Unifi (non AC) version in our offices and it sucks … working on a plan to migrate to Cisco probably – complete opposite ;) When the system is working well, it’s not bad at all but it doesn’t seem to deal with outside interference very well and often slows down to a snails pace. It also doesn’t handle video and voice very well most of the time despite traffic prioritization. I’d take a guess at around 120 users during the day and 30-40 users off hours (we run 24X7). Also found the Unifi stuff doesn’t handle AP handoff very well at all … not even sure if it’s supported in the specs come to think of it.. I’ve read the latest generation has “seamless handoff’ though…. I’ve deployed Cisco before and it’s definitely quite a bit more in cost but for our application, cost is secondary compared to performance/stability. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:49 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the
Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI
I would check out GoNet If you really want to get a large coverage. They are probably on the scale of a ruckus unit, but actually do beamforming and are specifically made for outdoor access. It is pretty pricy per unit , but they tend to cover a much greater area and are not as susceptible to noise. http://www.gonetworks.com/ On 5/26/2015 8:38 PM, Craig House wrote: I agree I am looking more for coverage than capacity. I think most of the campers would be happy just to check and reply to email or be able to upload their float trip and camping pics to FB. I can envision though rainy days where the kids are board and want to stream Netflix. So I am thinking offering a basic email checking sort of speed for a very basic price and then a Netflix / streaming package at a higher price. I dont want to do it by the hour because they will eat up my fees with credit card charges and processing fees. I am thinking a daily rate and a weekend rate or even a weekly rate for each package. Maybe there are campers that come every weekend or a couple of times a month and I could offer a seasonal rate even. But I guess I am mainly wanting to know about equipment. M2 with a 120 sector? What kind of number of subs per M2 Rocket is reasonable for the AP to handle well? What about M2 AC Rocket? Craig *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:27:29 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI I’m looking at a permanent installation at a small county park/campground where we did a temporary setup last year. Am I crazy for looking at the UAP-Outdoor+ (2.4 only) linked with M5 Locos? I’m not sure the more expensive AC units will help anything, coverage is more important than raw capacity. *From:* Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:48 PM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Campground WIFI Our local rez replaced all their Cisco gear and controllers with Ubiquiti AC Dual Band UniFi and software. Speeds and performance much better and easy to manage. The casino waitresses love the pos at customers tables and security knows where they are at all times. Used at both Speaking Rock and Socorro Entertainment Center..I installed two AC UniFi APs months ago for cattle association. Not one call...ave 75 to 150 users a day Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 5:17 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND
Webmin is easy and web-based. Lots of support and documentation. Justin Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/ Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com http://www.midwest-ix.com/ Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On May 23, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Any suggestions for this? I'm tired of having to SSH in and type things out. I'd love to have something that makes adding zones less painful and more pretty. There's just too big of a list to make a good decision... http://www.debianadmin.com/bind-dns-server-web-interfacefrontend-or-gui-tools.html http://www.debianadmin.com/bind-dns-server-web-interfacefrontend-or-gui-tools.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND
+1 webmin From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson - MTIN Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND Webmin is easy and web-based. Lots of support and documentation. Justin Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On May 23, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Any suggestions for this? I'm tired of having to SSH in and type things out. I'd love to have something that makes adding zones less painful and more pretty. There's just too big of a list to make a good decision... http://www.debianadmin.com/bind-dns-server-web-interfacefrontend-or-gui-tools.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND
I'm looking at NicTool now. In process of rolling it out. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 5:04:27 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND Any suggestions for this? I'm tired of having to SSH in and type things out. I'd love to have something that makes adding zones less painful and more pretty. There's just too big of a list to make a good decision... http://www.debianadmin.com/bind-dns-server-web-interfacefrontend-or-gui-tools.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
The last one is the one where some management program should allow microdistance measurements to see how far away users are from wireless indoor routers. We can set signal level but that's useless because of the difference in power output of different devices. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:01 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too.
Re: [AFMUG] SAF POE/Fiber question
Some of the SAF units are polarity agnostic, but I'm not sure which ones.
Daniel?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/26/2015 10:59 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
One thing, I think this P/N might be for -48V polarity only. Does SAF
use -48 or +48?
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
I do serve in a predominantly Mormon community. I myself am LDS. I agree that #5 should be ousted. It's not theft of service if they have family or friends staying with them for a short time. Or if they are even just visiting for an hour. If they are renting out a basement apartment though, then they should have two separate accounts. If they don't secure their wifi and I find out about I first send an email giving them 24 hours to secure it or their service gets shut off. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 26, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: But you don't serve in a predominantly Mormon community where the majority of people have pledged to be fair and honest in dealing with their fellow men. Trying to poke at the religion button there -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP. I would say appears to law enforcement not appears to us. Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and not available for use by the general public. We also say the customer is responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which of course is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use. I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal basis for Theft of Service and will just get pissed off at you. Seriously, under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi as illegal, in fact many phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by default. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too.
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
We see the problem with neighbors that are close enough to connect. We caught a guy doing that and change the sensitivity level to the point where that didn't work. He even put a bigger antenna on there to help his neighbor. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter I do serve in a predominantly Mormon community. I myself am LDS. I agree that #5 should be ousted. It's not theft of service if they have family or friends staying with them for a short time. Or if they are even just visiting for an hour. If they are renting out a basement apartment though, then they should have two separate accounts. If they don't secure their wifi and I find out about I first send an email giving them 24 hours to secure it or their service gets shut off. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 26, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: But you don't serve in a predominantly Mormon community where the majority of people have pledged to be fair and honest in dealing with their fellow men. Trying to poke at the religion button there -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP. I would say appears to law enforcement not appears to us. Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and not available for use by the general public. We also say the customer is responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which of course is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use. I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal basis for Theft of Service and will just get pissed off at you. Seriously, under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi as illegal, in fact many phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by default. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too.
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
I've had a customer that shared their internet connection using a nanostation loco M5 with a customer down the street. It was on the same frequency as the radio I installed. They called complaining about speed issues and that's how I found out. I refused them service from then on. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 26, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: We see the problem with neighbors that are close enough to connect. We caught a guy doing that and change the sensitivity level to the point where that didn't work. He even put a bigger antenna on there to help his neighbor. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter I do serve in a predominantly Mormon community. I myself am LDS. I agree that #5 should be ousted. It's not theft of service if they have family or friends staying with them for a short time. Or if they are even just visiting for an hour. If they are renting out a basement apartment though, then they should have two separate accounts. If they don't secure their wifi and I find out about I first send an email giving them 24 hours to secure it or their service gets shut off. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 26, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: But you don't serve in a predominantly Mormon community where the majority of people have pledged to be fair and honest in dealing with their fellow men. Trying to poke at the religion button there -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP. I would say appears to law enforcement not appears to us. Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and not available for use by the general public. We also say the customer is responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which of course is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use. I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal basis for Theft of Service and will just get pissed off at you. Seriously, under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi as illegal, in fact many phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by default. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too.
Re: [AFMUG] SAF POE/Fiber question
FWIW, when we installed a Purewave basestation a couple years ago, they recommended a Connectronics P/N 82-8694 protector for the 48V DC, which we used at the top next to the basestation. While expensive, it's pretty nice, even has a light to tell you power is on. And since it's a little outdoor enclosure with glands, you could use it to transition from 2-wire power cable to Cat5 with an RJ45 on the end. We just used 12 AWG electrical wire up the tower since it was inside conduit. Then tray cable to the special DC connector the Purewave gear required. http://www.connectronics.com/dealer/SolutionGuides/PoEProducts.pdf One thing, I think this P/N might be for -48V polarity only. Does SAF use -48 or +48? -Original Message- From: Craig Baird Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] SAF POE/Fiber question I've got a few SAF Integra links that we'll be doing shortly. We're planning to run fiber to the radios. I'm wondering what's the best method for powering the radios? From what I gather, SAF has some sort of new kit where you can send power up to the radio on 2-wire DC cable. At the top, near the radio, there is a pigtail that takes power off the 2-wire cable, and puts it on another cable with an RJ-45 for plugging into the ethernet port on the radio. I have a couple of issues with this method. First of all, it appears they use a Bulgin outdoor coupler to make the transition from 2-wire cable to CAT5 cable. I've found those Bulgin couplers to be less than reliable over the long term with regard to water ingress. So that makes me nervous. My second issue is lightning protection over the DC cable. I'm sure there are products that are designed to protect DC circuits. What would you guys recommend for protecting a DC circuit running up the tower? Overall, I'm wondering what would be wrong with just running shielded CAT5e up to the radio for power purposes only? If we did that, we could just use the WB surge protectors. Is there some advantage to running 2-wire vs. CAT5 that I'm not seeing? Craig
[AFMUG] Scary Letter
Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too.
Re: [AFMUG] SAF POE/Fiber question
CFIP Lumina definitely
Integra dunno
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Some of the SAF units are polarity agnostic, but I'm not sure which ones.
Daniel?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/26/2015 10:59 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
One thing, I think this P/N might be for -48V polarity only. Does SAF
use -48 or +48?
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
But you don't serve in a predominantly Mormon community where the majority of people have pledged to be fair and honest in dealing with their fellow men. Trying to poke at the religion button there -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP. I would say appears to law enforcement not appears to us. Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and not available for use by the general public. We also say the customer is responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which of course is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use. I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal basis for Theft of Service and will just get pissed off at you. Seriously, under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi as illegal, in fact many phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by default. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too.
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
child porn If you can inject those two words into a menace letter, you will never get an argument. If you do, you know to make sure that account has a static IP that is well documented for the feds. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: We see the problem with neighbors that are close enough to connect. We caught a guy doing that and change the sensitivity level to the point where that didn't work. He even put a bigger antenna on there to help his neighbor. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter I do serve in a predominantly Mormon community. I myself am LDS. I agree that #5 should be ousted. It's not theft of service if they have family or friends staying with them for a short time. Or if they are even just visiting for an hour. If they are renting out a basement apartment though, then they should have two separate accounts. If they don't secure their wifi and I find out about I first send an email giving them 24 hours to secure it or their service gets shut off. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 26, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: But you don't serve in a predominantly Mormon community where the majority of people have pledged to be fair and honest in dealing with their fellow men. Trying to poke at the religion button there -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP. I would say appears to law enforcement not appears to us. Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and not available for use by the general public. We also say the customer is responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which of course is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use. I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal basis for Theft of Service and will just get pissed off at you. Seriously, under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi as illegal, in fact many phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by default. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
your are jeopardizing your own service too you are jeopardizing your service as well. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: The last one is the one where some management program should allow microdistance measurements to see how far away users are from wireless indoor routers. We can set signal level but that's useless because of the difference in power output of different devices. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:01 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too.
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
Thanks. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter your are jeopardizing your own service too you are jeopardizing your service as well. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: The last one is the one where some management program should allow microdistance measurements to see how far away users are from wireless indoor routers. We can set signal level but that's useless because of the difference in power output of different devices. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:01 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too.
Re: [AFMUG] SAF POE/Fiber question
Integras should take poe directly On 5/26/15, 1:44 PM, Craig Baird cr...@xpressweb.com wrote: I've got a few SAF Integra links that we'll be doing shortly. We're planning to run fiber to the radios. I'm wondering what's the best method for powering the radios? From what I gather, SAF has some sort of new kit where you can send power up to the radio on 2-wire DC cable. At the top, near the radio, there is a pigtail that takes power off the 2-wire cable, and puts it on another cable with an RJ-45 for plugging into the ethernet port on the radio. I have a couple of issues with this method. First of all, it appears they use a Bulgin outdoor coupler to make the transition from 2-wire cable to CAT5 cable. I've found those Bulgin couplers to be less than reliable over the long term with regard to water ingress. So that makes me nervous. My second issue is lightning protection over the DC cable. I'm sure there are products that are designed to protect DC circuits. What would you guys recommend for protecting a DC circuit running up the tower? Overall, I'm wondering what would be wrong with just running shielded CAT5e up to the radio for power purposes only? If we did that, we could just use the WB surge protectors. Is there some advantage to running 2-wire vs. CAT5 that I'm not seeing? Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP. I would say appears to law enforcement not appears to us. Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and not available for use by the general public. We also say the customer is responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which of course is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use. I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal basis for Theft of Service and will just get pissed off at you. Seriously, under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi as illegal, in fact many phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by default. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too.
Re: [AFMUG] OT: HDTV Omni recommendations
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001DFZ5HO/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8camp=1789creative=390957creativeASIN=B001DFZ5HOlinkCode=as2tag=antennas04-20linkId=4EXUUURHTTFRGGUZ http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001DFZ5HO/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8camp=1789creative=390957creativeASIN=B001DFZ5HOlinkCode=as2tag=antennas04-20linkId=4EXUUURHTTFRGGUZ Winegard MS-2002 360. Amazon says out of stock but several on eBay. Justin Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/ Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com http://www.midwest-ix.com/ Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On May 20, 2015, at 5:51 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Channel Master would be the first place I look. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Bruce Robertson br...@pooh.com mailto:br...@pooh.com wrote: Hey, all you antenna geeks. I cut the cord awhile ago, and I need some suggestions. My Mohu Leaf works sort of, but it's just not cutting it when it comes to all channels. Unfortunately being in Reno NV (89503), I've got three different and incompatible broadcast tower directions, so an omni is kinda needed. (I'm not interested in a rotator.) I'm looking for some sort of outdoor omni antenna that I can slap on my existing mast, stick the Cubox MythTV backend server in an outdoor box, and run PoE Ethernet into the house. I like the Mohu, but I'm not interested in paying $150 for the Mohu Sky outdoor version. There are just too many options on Amazon, so I'm looking for suggestions. *Someone* on this list must have figured this out by now... :-) Thanks in advance, and a free pint for the best answer.
Re: [AFMUG] OT: HDTV Omni recommendations
You wanna make sure to get the MS-2000/2002/2006 and not the 100X series. The 200X has a pre-amp. The specs don’t show any gain. Probably pretty close to zero. They do show the UHF going clear up to 810 MHz. I don’t think there has been much TV above approx 600 MHz for quite some time. From: Justin Wilson - MTIN Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 10:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: HDTV Omni recommendations http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001DFZ5HO/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8camp=1789creative=390957creativeASIN=B001DFZ5HOlinkCode=as2tag=antennas04-20linkId=4EXUUURHTTFRGGUZ Winegard MS-2002 360. Amazon says out of stock but several on eBay. Justin Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On May 20, 2015, at 5:51 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Channel Master would be the first place I look. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Bruce Robertson br...@pooh.com wrote: Hey, all you antenna geeks. I cut the cord awhile ago, and I need some suggestions. My Mohu Leaf works sort of, but it's just not cutting it when it comes to all channels. Unfortunately being in Reno NV (89503), I've got three different and incompatible broadcast tower directions, so an omni is kinda needed. (I'm not interested in a rotator.) I'm looking for some sort of outdoor omni antenna that I can slap on my existing mast, stick the Cubox MythTV backend server in an outdoor box, and run PoE Ethernet into the house. I like the Mohu, but I'm not interested in paying $150 for the Mohu Sky outdoor version. There are just too many options on Amazon, so I'm looking for suggestions. *Someone* on this list must have figured this out by now... :-) Thanks in advance, and a free pint for the best answer.
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.
Re: [AFMUG] SAF POE/Fiber question
As you mentioned, the connector housing are less than waterproof. Having
said that, we cut off the provided screw terminal and use watertight crimp
connectors that solder the butt splice when heat is applied to shrink and
seal them. Since we made that modification we had no issues and new
deployments were made that way ever since.
I preferred using non POE surge arrestors since it seems they can be
designed to clamp faster since there is no (or not much) voltage
fluctuation on the line. We had a combination SAD/MOV to try and take
advantage of the quick rise time of the SAD and the higher voltage capacity
of the MOV. I am sure Chuck will inform us why this wouldn't work but we
did it anyway. I would rather have had a Chuck solution but to m knowledge
there wasn't and isn't one.
At any rate, I liked separating the protection from the data and we used a
14 AWG pair to deliver it with the lightening protection only on the
bottom. The protectors had latched remote monitoring output we could
monitor but I am pretty sure that it wasn't 100% reliable. I remember one
case specifically where the surge arrestor did its job and blew but the
indicator didn't trip. Luckily we had more on the truck.
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:42 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote:
The attached drawing is an internal one, but since the radio is native PoE
it is not polarity agnostic.
Regarding the gland, we have used these in various forms since 2009 and
never had issues with water ingress unless they are not mounted vertically.
But I would recommend running shielded CAT5e and using it for out of band
management. Then if the fiber cable gets cut, you can switch to in-band
management.
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-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SAF POE/Fiber question
Some of the SAF units are polarity agnostic, but I'm not sure which ones.
Daniel?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/26/2015 10:59 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
One thing, I think this P/N might be for -48V polarity only. Does SAF
use -48 or +48?
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[AFMUG] FCC - 15-47 Discussion and FAQ
I know there’s been a lot of discussion on this topic lately. I wanted to point you guys to some information that we’ve posted and invite further questions to clarify the impacts of the recent releases from the FCC on the 3 GHz band. First, Scott posted a blog here discussing it a bit: http://ow.ly/Nr2bs Second, our summary of the ruling and what we think it means: http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/fcc-15-47-summary-faq Third, an FAQ on the community page: http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/FCC-3-GHz-spectrum-discussion-FAQ/m-p/40910#U40910 Please ask additional questions if you have them, either here or over there, and we’ll do our best to get answers. We know this impacts a lot of folks and we’re hoping discussion like this helps you make the right decisions for your business. Thanks, Matt Mangriotis Senior Product Manager Cambium Networks 3800 Golf Road, Suite 360 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 www.cambiumnetworks.comhttp://www.cambiumnetworks.com/ O: 847-439-6379 M: 630-308-9394 E: m...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:m...@cambiumnetworks.com [CN_logo_horizontal_blueIcon_blackName] Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forumhttp://community.cambiumnetworks.com/
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
I am talking about letting all your neighbors use your connection in lieu of having their own. Perhaps I am not very clear about that. If your AUP says you cannot share this connection with others, and you do, then you are sharing something you do not have the right to share. In the public utility world, that is called theft of service. Same as tapping your power meter ahead of your meter or after your meter if it is flat rate. -Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter I do serve in a predominantly Mormon community. I myself am LDS. I agree that #5 should be ousted. It's not theft of service if they have family or friends staying with them for a short time. Or if they are even just visiting for an hour. If they are renting out a basement apartment though, then they should have two separate accounts. If they don't secure their wifi and I find out about I first send an email giving them 24 hours to secure it or their service gets shut off. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 26, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: But you don't serve in a predominantly Mormon community where the majority of people have pledged to be fair and honest in dealing with their fellow men. Trying to poke at the religion button there -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP. I would say appears to law enforcement not appears to us. Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and not available for use by the general public. We also say the customer is responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which of course is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use. I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal basis for Theft of Service and will just get pissed off at you. Seriously, under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi as illegal, in fact many phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by default. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too.
Re: [AFMUG] Anyone serving Arizona City (AZ)?
We can't do it today but it looks like we could be there about 60 days max.
Rory
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 5:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone serving Arizona City (AZ)?
Bill, can you send me their contact information please. I might be able to
help.
Rory
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 11:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone serving Arizona City (AZ)?
Probably not. Shoot me an address and I'll see what we can do.
Rory
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:02 PM
To: Motorola III
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone serving Arizona City (AZ)?
We know someone moving there; roughly half-way between Tucson and Phoenix. He
tells me there is no internet service there?
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well. If they are downloading child porn, you will be arrested. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
I like both. I was unsure this is what was meant, but this makes it very clear. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 26, 2015, at 1:40 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well. If they are downloading child porn, you will be arrested. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
I changed it to you could be arrested. From: Brett A Mansfield Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter I like both. I was unsure this is what was meant, but this makes it very clear. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 26, 2015, at 1:40 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well. If they are downloading child porn, you will be arrested. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND
+1 NicTool Peter Kranz http://www.unwiredltd.com/ www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND
Just took a look at it.. It is nice, appears to be a more concise subset of what powerdns is capable of... Powerdns is more flexibleand allows one to build a setup such as what NicTool is suggesting. Either way it's all good. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:55:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND +1 NicTool Peter Kranz www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.
Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter
Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress. I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner. From: TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.
[AFMUG] Spectrum Scan with a Smartphone?
Is it possible to do a spectrum scan with any brand of phone? I know one can do a signal and channel scan with both Apple and Android. Looking to get a new phone soon and looking for the most geeky one out there. -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND
Now I am stuck reading the book...
From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 5:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND
According to this:
http://www.wordplace.com/ap/
it was P-Edit, for Program Editor. Developed at BYU. Probably why you
remember it.
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 12:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND
No, it was a nice editor that later became WordPerfect.
From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 11:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND
pico?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
nano is the only one I can remember the name of when I have to edit cfgs in
linux systems. Very rare for me to have to do that.
I was a big pedit guy back in the day. (or was it p-edit or p edit, I think
it was pedit or pe)
From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 10:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND
First I'll say this is one of those theological type discussions. But since I
am sitting in a place swamped by rain and some hail, why not?
I think nano is great if you don't use CLI much since you can figure it out
fast. To me vim is better if you use CLI all the time and edit a lot. Just the
number of syntax highlighters is worth the effort. Very quick to do a great
amount of editing as others mentioned.
But again, if all you do is get in and change one little thing, go nano.
On May 25, 2015 11:21 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Me thinks you don't know the meaning of suffering. I have used text editors
that go way back. Vi is among the best that I've used.
I've used nano a little bit, and it's functional, but not as useful or
quick as vi.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/25/2015 9:04 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I know how to use it, I'm just not a masochist.
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From: Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 11:01:52 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND
That's a matter of opinion. Invest a small amount of time with vi (or
vim), and it becomes a great works anywhere text editor.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/25/2015 8:07 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Nano is infinitely easier to use than vi.
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 10:03:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND
Please don't be serious =(
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 9:30 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Nano here.
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 12:55:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND
Bah.. vi works fine.
On 5/24/2015 12:45 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
we built ours on webmin. I like webmin. If you have clients with
DNS, you can use views to let them manage their own.
I would guess if you did enough DNS to become intimate with the
CLI, it would be much better, but if you do very little, like us, then webmin
is easy. We ended up doing webmin for all our Linux servers so we can manage
all the updates and whatnot from one central point. Probably not ideal for
linux people. but for us its perfect. Just build a base VM and everytime you
need a new purpose server just copy it and go
On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Stefan Englhardt
s...@genias.net wrote:
We use powerdns/mysql as authorative ns. And feed it from our
customer db with scripts. Customer db is mysql feeded by a access frontend.
With access it is very easy to build a frontend. You might connect to the
powerdns database directly with access/odbc.
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Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND
Holy shit! a forked thread made the roundabout back to the original topic on the afmug! On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com wrote: +1 webmin *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Justin Wilson - MTIN *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:26 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Web interfaces for BIND Webmin is easy and web-based. Lots of support and documentation. Justin Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On May 23, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Any suggestions for this? I'm tired of having to SSH in and type things out. I'd love to have something that makes adding zones less painful and more pretty. There's just too big of a list to make a good decision... http://www.debianadmin.com/bind-dns-server-web-interfacefrontend-or-gui-tools.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
[AFMUG] Mercury Networks, any experience?
What's the skinny on these guys? -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Mercury Networks, any experience?
No, the gear. http://mercurynets.com/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 05/26/2015 03:09 PM, Keefe John wrote: The WISP in WI/MI? On 5/26/2015 5:48 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: What's the skinny on these guys?
Re: [AFMUG] Mercury Networks, any experience?
The WISP in WI/MI? On 5/26/2015 5:48 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: What's the skinny on these guys?
[AFMUG] Campground WIFI
Got a 110' tower that belongs to a large campground that we are using as a tower site. Using Mimosa links to the tower and have 500+ MB of bandwidth available to this tower. The campground area is about 110 acres and about 1/2 of that has camp sites that we want to be able to provide paid by the X WIFI service. UBNT has a billing platform that I think integrates with their equipment and I will gladly use their equipment but I dont want to recreate the wheel here. This is not in my normal course of business but the campground owner wants it and I think there is a lot of potential here all be it seasonally.Is the UBNT software good stuff? What are your recommendations to type of AP's / Antennas / for such a setup. What is the best way to market this type of service? Free for basic minimal speeds? then sell a higher rate if they want it. Or Just bill for anything one lower package and one higher package? Has anyone on the list tried this at a campground and if so what mistakes did you make and what did you end up using? Ive made enough mistakes in the past with other stuff. I have learned to ask you guys on stuff I'm not familiar with . Craig
Re: [AFMUG] Mercury Networks, any experience?
They bought at least some of what used to be Purewave. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: No, the gear. http://mercurynets.com/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 05/26/2015 03:09 PM, Keefe John wrote: The WISP in WI/MI? On 5/26/2015 5:48 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: What's the skinny on these guys?
Re: [AFMUG] Mercury Networks, any experience?
Mercury Networks that took over the Wimax stuff from Purewave? On 5/26/2015 6:11 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: No, the gear. http://mercurynets.com/ Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 05/26/2015 03:09 PM, Keefe John wrote: The WISP in WI/MI? On 5/26/2015 5:48 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: What's the skinny on these guys?
[AFMUG] SAF POE/Fiber question
I've got a few SAF Integra links that we'll be doing shortly. We're planning to run fiber to the radios. I'm wondering what's the best method for powering the radios? From what I gather, SAF has some sort of new kit where you can send power up to the radio on 2-wire DC cable. At the top, near the radio, there is a pigtail that takes power off the 2-wire cable, and puts it on another cable with an RJ-45 for plugging into the ethernet port on the radio. I have a couple of issues with this method. First of all, it appears they use a Bulgin outdoor coupler to make the transition from 2-wire cable to CAT5 cable. I've found those Bulgin couplers to be less than reliable over the long term with regard to water ingress. So that makes me nervous. My second issue is lightning protection over the DC cable. I'm sure there are products that are designed to protect DC circuits. What would you guys recommend for protecting a DC circuit running up the tower? Overall, I'm wondering what would be wrong with just running shielded CAT5e up to the radio for power purposes only? If we did that, we could just use the WB surge protectors. Is there some advantage to running 2-wire vs. CAT5 that I'm not seeing? Craig
[AFMUG] Wi-Fi’s Problem with LTE Over Unlicensed Spectrum
http://www.wirelessweek.com/articles/2015/05/wi-fis-problem-lte-over-unlicensed-spectrum
Re: [AFMUG] Wi-Fi’s Problem with LTE Over Unlicensed Spectrum
All using UBNT, Cambium and any other tdd protocol over unlicensed pose the same problems to wifi Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On May 26, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Matt matt.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.wirelessweek.com/articles/2015/05/wi-fis-problem-lte-over-unlicensed-spectrum
