Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

If those are the connectors I think they are, they're only rated to 12 or
13A (one of the reasons I don't sell shunts >10A).

If you want to model the PCB fusing current and/or temperature rise, I find
the saturn pcb toolkit (PC download) invaluable.
http://www.saturnpcb.com/pcb_toolkit.htm

For testing, I have a couple of these:

http://www.circuitspecialists.com/dc-electronic-load-csi3711a.html

They have a few other models...
http://www.circuitspecialists.com/programmable-dc-electronic-loads

-forrest

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 4:55 PM,  wrote:

> OK, did a 10 amp test, no heat to speak of.  (30 volts).
>
> Having a hard time finding a half ohm load at 150 watts.
>
> Used a coil of #16 wire which was too high (impedance) of a load.
>
> Also, putting two Astron power supplies in series.
> They don’t play well with each other.
>
> I used to have a coil of nichrome.  May need to find that.
>
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 12:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
>
> No, 7 amp.  30 amps will get the PCB traces a bit hot, perhaps glowing hot.
> I guess I should test one to destruction
>
> *From:* George Skorup 
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 11:33 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
>
> So is that like a 30A fuse you're shipping with it? Or do they actually
> make a 5x20mm shorting link?
>
> On 8/28/2015 11:15 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> �
>
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

[Jay Weekley]

We got that response from Power Code as well. The fan died and Power 
Code didn't have a replacement.  We could replace the fan to the BMU 
ourselves but we had to either leave that section of the network down 
until it was repaired, find a new fan ourselves or try to work without 
the fan. We found a comparable fan on the internet but not with the 
correct connector to the circuit board.  We decided to leave the cover 
off of the BMU as a work around.


TJ Trout wrote:
I wish more of the world would do business Chuck's way. The world 
might be a better place.


I was reading the netonix forum the other day and read about a guy who 
had a bad fan on his switch, and the customer just wanted a new fan so 
he didn't have to remove the switch from service, the companies reply? 
We'll sell you one. ($2-5 fan on a $500+ product that just came out a 
few months prior so it couldn't have been out of warranty!).. Made me 
appreciate Chuck just a little bit more


On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:24 PM, > wrote:


I never turned one of these down.  It is the drug dealer model. 
Once they are hooked, they are hooked.  They need you so bad they

will behave when the times comes, if it comes.  Treat them right,
be courteous when they do have problems, apologize profusely and
keep them informed as to the nature of the problem and they are
generally pretty reasonable.  I never had an onerous SLA ever
actually call upon the terms, they just wanted things fixed.  Of
course I always prorated the outage plus a bit extra.
*From:* Mike Hammett 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 4:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request
Oh, I missed the non-payment stuff. Yeah, efff off.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 3:05:52 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

(hypotheticals in case on top of the following in case we had to
sign an NDA before giving them service)
so if we were  looking at doing a connection in an area to a
customer who currently is suffering DSL woes. And say we put up an
AP for them so we could confirm the ability to connect them, its
on the far end of our network, traversing some small backhauls
because of the few customers, and say we would have to upgrade a
minimum of two backhauls to deliver a WISP reliable service/
And if we quoted them something like 350 a month for the
connection, just recouping the buildout on this would take some
time as it wasnt really an area of the network we forecast any
growth on.
Remember we are a sub 1k subscriber network, with in the scheme of
ISP offerings cover a small footprint.
So they were to come back with a change to the contract (note this
was not an SLA, its a DIA, which to us is the same as an SLA to
some degree, without the strict requirements or guarantees)
First, maintaining the 350 dollar a month cost
Change the Terms to SLA
Syncronous connectivity (whatever this means in their heads),
apparently we might need to run fiber to every end point on the
planet to ensure this)
99.5% uptime and full capacity bandwidth guarantee
24/7/365 tech support
one hour maximumum call back time
4 hour on site guarantee 24/7/365
4 hour resolution guarantee or they can terminate the contract on
the spot
remove invoice payment terms, no disconnection for non payment
If our access site goes down we are required to seek a replacement
site(not sure what the expectation here is)
-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 Watchdog Reset

[Ken Hohhof]

So I checked some APs on 13.2 and found one with 177 days uptime. 
Strangely, it says it is using the internal GPS even though it has power 
port sync (CTM-2).  Maybe there's something to the idea that it depends on 
sync method.



-Original Message- 
From: George Skorup

Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 Watchdog Reset

What does FreeRun have to do with it?

I have a couple 450 test sites on 13.4 and haven't seen any watchdog
resets. Granted, that's only two APs. Definitely still see it on 13.2.1.
It's not a daily thing, but yeah, annoying.

One thing I'm seeing on the 3.6 450 with 13.2.1 is the APs getting into
a state where they say there's no sync pulse. Then it says receiving
sync, no sync... over and over every few seconds until they are
rebooted. All the while the SyncInjector says nothing is wrong. Tracking
8+ sats. No increment for the 1PPS Active counter. I understand this had
something to do with the FreeRun stuck issue, which was apparently
resolved with 13.4, but I'm waiting on 13.4.1 so some other issues get
fixed before I can update the entire network.

Anyway, if I leave the APs alone for a while (say it happens in the
middle of the night while I'm sleeping), they mysteriously return to
normal after anywhere from 3 to 20 minutes. Then if any SM loses
registration (or if I force an SM to rescan), it fails to register for
no reason at all. Reboot the AP, everything works again. I have no
freakin idea what this is about.

On 8/28/2015 9:54 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

We have been seeing this across 200+ AP's

It's getting truly annoying.   Cambium tech support has helpful 
suggestions like'just put them in free run'.   Um Thanks for the help, 
but no.


Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
27800 Lemoyne, Ste F
Millbury, OH 43447
419-261-5996

On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Brian Sullivan  
wrote:


Last week we rolled out 13.4 to 450 AP's after testing in-house for a 
while.  While running 13.2 we would see an AP here or there reboot on 
occasion by itself.  The only message in the Event Log mentions Watchdog 
Reset.  This is one of the bugs that Cambium noted was fixed in the 13.4 
release notes.


Since we upgraded the network to 13.4 we are now seeing at least 4 AP's 
out there rebooting several times per day.  On one of these AP's we are 
also seeing SM's (all 17 registered) reboot along with the AP.  The site 
has UPS backup so I know it's not a power grid problem.  I am planning to 
roll the affected AP's back to 13.2 this evening.


Anyone else having Watchdog issues with the 13.4 release?

**System Startup**
System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset
Software Version : CANOPY 13.4 AP-DES
Board Type : P12
Device Setting : 5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - 0a-00-3e-a0-08-e5 - 
5760.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 85 - 2.5 ms

FPGA Version : 040715
FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI;
08/28/2015 : 14:11:42 CST : :Time Set
08/28/2015 : 14:11:58 CST : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port.

Re: [AFMUG] cnPilot webinar replay

[Lewis Bergman]

Well, I must say it seems to be a very good start. Larger operators are
going to require that billing API before they adopt I would think. I would
focus on that. I am impressed is free. Golf idea to sell the hardware and
give away the management. If it fails you can easily ditch it since nobody
pays.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015, 11:15 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> No form
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Aug 28, 2015 12:05 PM, "Ray Savich" 
> wrote:
>
>> The cnPilot webinar replay is available (with no registration form) at
>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnPilot/cnPilot-Introduction-Webinar-Aug-25/m-p/43286#U43286
>> . We will answer any questions or comments that you post there.
>>
>>
>>
>> We look forward to hearing from you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>>
>> Join the Conversation
>>
>> Cambium Networks Community Forum 
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 Watchdog Reset

[George Skorup]

What does FreeRun have to do with it?

I have a couple 450 test sites on 13.4 and haven't seen any watchdog 
resets. Granted, that's only two APs. Definitely still see it on 13.2.1. 
It's not a daily thing, but yeah, annoying.


One thing I'm seeing on the 3.6 450 with 13.2.1 is the APs getting into 
a state where they say there's no sync pulse. Then it says receiving 
sync, no sync... over and over every few seconds until they are 
rebooted. All the while the SyncInjector says nothing is wrong. Tracking 
8+ sats. No increment for the 1PPS Active counter. I understand this had 
something to do with the FreeRun stuck issue, which was apparently 
resolved with 13.4, but I'm waiting on 13.4.1 so some other issues get 
fixed before I can update the entire network.


Anyway, if I leave the APs alone for a while (say it happens in the 
middle of the night while I'm sleeping), they mysteriously return to 
normal after anywhere from 3 to 20 minutes. Then if any SM loses 
registration (or if I force an SM to rescan), it fails to register for 
no reason at all. Reboot the AP, everything works again. I have no 
freakin idea what this is about.


On 8/28/2015 9:54 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

We have been seeing this across 200+ AP's

It's getting truly annoying.   Cambium tech support has helpful suggestions 
like'just put them in free run'.   Um Thanks for the help, but no.

Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
27800 Lemoyne, Ste F
Millbury, OH 43447
419-261-5996


On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Brian Sullivan  wrote:

Last week we rolled out 13.4 to 450 AP's after testing in-house for a while.  
While running 13.2 we would see an AP here or there reboot on occasion by 
itself.  The only message in the Event Log mentions Watchdog Reset.  This is 
one of the bugs that Cambium noted was fixed in the 13.4 release notes.

Since we upgraded the network to 13.4 we are now seeing at least 4 AP's out 
there rebooting several times per day.  On one of these AP's we are also seeing 
SM's (all 17 registered) reboot along with the AP.  The site has UPS backup so 
I know it's not a power grid problem.  I am planning to roll the affected AP's 
back to 13.2 this evening.

Anyone else having Watchdog issues with the 13.4 release?

**System Startup**
System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset
Software Version : CANOPY 13.4 AP-DES
Board Type : P12
Device Setting : 5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - 0a-00-3e-a0-08-e5 - 5760.0 
MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 85 - 2.5 ms
FPGA Version : 040715
FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI;
08/28/2015 : 14:11:42 CST : :Time Set
08/28/2015 : 14:11:58 CST : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port.

Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

[Joe Falaschi]

They probably are sick of their current service performing badly, have 
no real faith in us WISPs if the phone company can't do it, and realize 
that most SLAs end up meaning very little unfortunately.  Some of their 
points might be a little extreme and like someone else said don't agree 
to something you can't back up.  That said it's kind of treat others how 
you want to be treated.  Maybe some items can be negotiated like the 
no/late payment terms and if the service fails x number of times in a 
one year period they can cancel vs one 4 hour nightmare.


Joe Falaschi
e-vergent


On 8/28/15 5:55 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
I wish more of the world would do business Chuck's way. The world 
might be a better place.


I was reading the netonix forum the other day and read about a guy who 
had a bad fan on his switch, and the customer just wanted a new fan so 
he didn't have to remove the switch from service, the companies reply? 
We'll sell you one. ($2-5 fan on a $500+ product that just came out a 
few months prior so it couldn't have been out of warranty!).. Made me 
appreciate Chuck just a little bit more


On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:24 PM, > wrote:


I never turned one of these down.  It is the drug dealer model. 
Once they are hooked, they are hooked.  They need you so bad they

will behave when the times comes, if it comes.  Treat them right,
be courteous when they do have problems, apologize profusely and
keep them informed as to the nature of the problem and they are
generally pretty reasonable.  I never had an onerous SLA ever
actually call upon the terms, they just wanted things fixed.  Of
course I always prorated the outage plus a bit extra.
*From:* Mike Hammett 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 4:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request
Oh, I missed the non-payment stuff. Yeah, efff off.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 3:05:52 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

(hypotheticals in case on top of the following in case we had to
sign an NDA before giving them service)
so if we were  looking at doing a connection in an area to a
customer who currently is suffering DSL woes. And say we put up an
AP for them so we could confirm the ability to connect them, its
on the far end of our network, traversing some small backhauls
because of the few customers, and say we would have to upgrade a
minimum of two backhauls to deliver a WISP reliable service/
And if we quoted them something like 350 a month for the
connection, just recouping the buildout on this would take some
time as it wasnt really an area of the network we forecast any
growth on.
Remember we are a sub 1k subscriber network, with in the scheme of
ISP offerings cover a small footprint.
So they were to come back with a change to the contract (note this
was not an SLA, its a DIA, which to us is the same as an SLA to
some degree, without the strict requirements or guarantees)
First, maintaining the 350 dollar a month cost
Change the Terms to SLA
Syncronous connectivity (whatever this means in their heads),
apparently we might need to run fiber to every end point on the
planet to ensure this)
99.5% uptime and full capacity bandwidth guarantee
24/7/365 tech support
one hour maximumum call back time
4 hour on site guarantee 24/7/365
4 hour resolution guarantee or they can terminate the contract on
the spot
remove invoice payment terms, no disconnection for non payment
If our access site goes down we are required to seek a replacement
site(not sure what the expectation here is)
-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 Watchdog Reset

[Joe Falaschi]

All of our 450 APs running 13.2 are rebooting themselves with watchdog 
exceptions.  We do not have a 450 AP with uptime of more than 22 days.  
We haven't opened a support ticket with Cambium.  I guess if we all 
don't do that it won't get fixed.  Are they saying if the APs are not 
synced they won't reboot?  We are using CMM Micros.  Agreed that isn't 
helpful just curious.


We tried upgrading to 13.4 but had trouble with the upgrade.  We ended 
up stranding a few SMs and needing to roll a truck to a handful of 
customers.  We're back to 13.2 now.


Joe Falaschi
e-vergent


On 8/28/15 9:54 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

We have been seeing this across 200+ AP's

It's getting truly annoying.   Cambium tech support has helpful suggestions 
like'just put them in free run'.   Um Thanks for the help, but no.

Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
27800 Lemoyne, Ste F
Millbury, OH 43447
419-261-5996


On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Brian Sullivan  wrote:

Last week we rolled out 13.4 to 450 AP's after testing in-house for a while.  
While running 13.2 we would see an AP here or there reboot on occasion by 
itself.  The only message in the Event Log mentions Watchdog Reset.  This is 
one of the bugs that Cambium noted was fixed in the 13.4 release notes.

Since we upgraded the network to 13.4 we are now seeing at least 4 AP's out 
there rebooting several times per day.  On one of these AP's we are also seeing 
SM's (all 17 registered) reboot along with the AP.  The site has UPS backup so 
I know it's not a power grid problem.  I am planning to roll the affected AP's 
back to 13.2 this evening.

Anyone else having Watchdog issues with the 13.4 release?

**System Startup**
System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset
Software Version : CANOPY 13.4 AP-DES
Board Type : P12
Device Setting : 5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - 0a-00-3e-a0-08-e5 - 5760.0 
MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 85 - 2.5 ms
FPGA Version : 040715
FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI;
08/28/2015 : 14:11:42 CST : :Time Set
08/28/2015 : 14:11:58 CST : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port.

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[Adam Moffett]

From Wiki: "They are still constructed for the commissioning of large 
diesel generators in remote places, where discarded oil drums and 
scaffold tubes typically form the tank and electrodes."


That's some mad scientist stuff right there buddy.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_rheostat
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 5:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
OK, did a 10 amp test, no heat to speak of.  (30 volts).
Having a hard time finding a half ohm load at 150 watts.
Used a coil of #16 wire which was too high (impedance) of a load.
Also, putting two Astron power supplies in series.
They don�t play well with each other.
I used to have a coil of nichrome.  May need to find that.
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 12:33 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
No, 7 amp.  30 amps will get the PCB traces a bit hot, perhaps glowing 
hot.

I guess I should test one to destruction
*From:* George Skorup 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 11:33 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
So is that like a 30A fuse you're shipping with it? Or do they 
actually make a 5x20mm shorting link?


On 8/28/2015 11:15 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

�

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658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 Watchdog Reset

[Mark Radabaugh]

We have been seeing this across 200+ AP's

It's getting truly annoying.   Cambium tech support has helpful suggestions 
like'just put them in free run'.   Um Thanks for the help, but no.

Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
27800 Lemoyne, Ste F
Millbury, OH 43447
419-261-5996

> On Aug 28, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Brian Sullivan  wrote:
> 
> Last week we rolled out 13.4 to 450 AP's after testing in-house for a while.  
> While running 13.2 we would see an AP here or there reboot on occasion by 
> itself.  The only message in the Event Log mentions Watchdog Reset.  This is 
> one of the bugs that Cambium noted was fixed in the 13.4 release notes.
> 
> Since we upgraded the network to 13.4 we are now seeing at least 4 AP's out 
> there rebooting several times per day.  On one of these AP's we are also 
> seeing SM's (all 17 registered) reboot along with the AP.  The site has UPS 
> backup so I know it's not a power grid problem.  I am planning to roll the 
> affected AP's back to 13.2 this evening.
> 
> Anyone else having Watchdog issues with the 13.4 release?
> 
> **System Startup**
> System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset
> Software Version : CANOPY 13.4 AP-DES
> Board Type : P12
> Device Setting : 5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - 0a-00-3e-a0-08-e5 - 5760.0 
> MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 85 - 2.5 ms
> FPGA Version : 040715
> FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI;
> 08/28/2015 : 14:11:42 CST : :Time Set
> 08/28/2015 : 14:11:58 CST : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port.
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[Ken Hohhof]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_rheostat


From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 5:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

OK, did a 10 amp test, no heat to speak of.  (30 volts).  

Having a hard time finding a half ohm load at 150 watts.  

Used a coil of #16 wire which was too high (impedance) of a load.  

Also, putting two Astron power supplies in series.
They don’t play well with each other.  

I used to have a coil of nichrome.  May need to find that.  



From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 12:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

No, 7 amp.  30 amps will get the PCB traces a bit hot, perhaps glowing hot.
I guess I should test one to destruction

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

So is that like a 30A fuse you're shipping with it? Or do they actually make a 
5x20mm shorting link?


On 8/28/2015 11:15 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  �

Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

[can...@believewireless.net]

I won't put terms into an SLA I couldn't deliver on today. I did it once
and it bit me and I learned from my mistake.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Maybe they're referring to symmetric routing then? And yeah outside of a
> LAN you can't get it. It also doesn't matter outside of a LAN. There's a
> real phenomenon that can happen with firewalls where you send a TCP SYN on
> one interface and the corresponding ACK is received on a different
> interface due to an asymmetric path.  The firewall might drop the
> connection and report the ACK as being spoofed.
>
> Now I've bumped into two different LAN guys who saw asymmetric paths
> across the internet and thought it needed to be fixed.
>
>
>
> On 8/28/2015 9:22 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
>>
>> What if No they meant synchronous as in same path. They made that clear,
>> but it clearly indicates they don't know data outside an office.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

[Adam Moffett]

Maybe they're referring to symmetric routing then? And yeah outside of a 
LAN you can't get it. It also doesn't matter outside of a LAN. There's a 
real phenomenon that can happen with firewalls where you send a TCP SYN 
on one interface and the corresponding ACK is received on a different 
interface due to an asymmetric path.  The firewall might drop the 
connection and report the ACK as being spoofed.


Now I've bumped into two different LAN guys who saw asymmetric paths 
across the internet and thought it needed to be fixed.



On 8/28/2015 9:22 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:


What if No they meant synchronous as in same path. They made that 
clear, but it clearly indicates they don't know data outside an office.

Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

What if No they meant synchronous as in same path. They made that clear,
but it clearly indicates they don't know data outside an office.

Assuming they wanted an nda before we could quote them indicates a lack of
knowledge and pure asshattery, a really good indicator of what they would
be like to deal with

Demanding a change to business models (dia gets a business hours tech
support, 4 hour response, no on-site time guarantee) even going with an
answering service for 24/7/365 would probably cost close to the revenue off
this.

Demanding all this with the expectation of no cost increase or penalty for
non payment (that wasn't even a request to change the 15 days to 30 before
service is interrupted, it was a demand the entire text be removed from the
contract) is fucking insane.

Individual or groups of some of the demands could be done, but to have it
written into a contract that if you lose an entire pop you will go to a new
one is insanity, demanding path control on the wild internet isn't even
real, and topping it off with demanding the right to terminate a contract
if an outage exceeds 4 hours is worthy of a gold helmet.

I was trying to find the sla terms for Verizon's low latency financial
network between Chicago and New York to see if that's where they got their
ideas from.

All theoretical
On Aug 28, 2015 7:41 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Regarding “synchronous”, half the world seems to say that when they mean
> “symmetric”.
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 5:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request
>
> I never turned one of these down.  It is the drug dealer model.  Once they
> are hooked, they are hooked.  They need you so bad they will behave when
> the times comes, if it comes.  Treat them right, be courteous when they do
> have problems, apologize profusely and keep them informed as to the nature
> of the problem and they are generally pretty reasonable.  I never had an
> onerous SLA ever actually call upon the terms, they just wanted things
> fixed.  Of course I always prorated the outage plus a bit extra.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 4:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request
>
> Oh, I missed the non-payment stuff. Yeah, efff off.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 3:05:52 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request
>
> (hypotheticals in case on top of the following in case we had to sign an
> NDA before giving them service)
>
>
> so if we were  looking at doing a connection in an area to a customer who
> currently is suffering DSL woes. And say we put up an AP for them so we
> could confirm the ability to connect them, its on the far end of our
> network, traversing some small backhauls because of the few customers, and
> say we would have to upgrade a minimum of two backhauls to deliver a WISP
> reliable service/
>
> And if we quoted them something like 350 a month for the connection, just
> recouping the buildout on this would take some time as it wasnt really an
> area of the network we forecast any growth on.
>
> Remember we are a sub 1k subscriber network, with in the scheme of ISP
> offerings cover a small footprint.
>
> So they were to come back with a change to the contract (note this was not
> an SLA, its a DIA, which to us is the same as an SLA to some degree,
> without the strict requirements or guarantees)
>
> First, maintaining the 350 dollar a month cost
> Change the Terms to SLA
> Syncronous connectivity (whatever this means in their heads), apparently
> we might need to run fiber to every end point on the planet to ensure this)
> 99.5% uptime and full capacity bandwidth guarantee
> 24/7/365 tech support
> one hour maximumum call back time
> 4 hour on site guarantee 24/7/365
> 4 hour resolution guarantee or they can terminate the contract on the spot
> remove invoice payment terms, no disconnection for non payment
> If our access site goes down we are required to seek a replacement
> site(not sure what the expectation here is)
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

[Ken Hohhof]

Regarding “synchronous”, half the world seems to say that when they mean 
“symmetric”.


From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 5:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

I never turned one of these down.  It is the drug dealer model.  Once they are 
hooked, they are hooked.  They need you so bad they will behave when the times 
comes, if it comes.  Treat them right, be courteous when they do have problems, 
apologize profusely and keep them informed as to the nature of the problem and 
they are generally pretty reasonable.  I never had an onerous SLA ever actually 
call upon the terms, they just wanted things fixed.  Of course I always 
prorated the outage plus a bit extra.  



From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 4:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

Oh, I missed the non-payment stuff. Yeah, efff off.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 3:05:52 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request


(hypotheticals in case on top of the following in case we had to sign an NDA 
before giving them service)


so if we were  looking at doing a connection in an area to a customer who 
currently is suffering DSL woes. And say we put up an AP for them so we could 
confirm the ability to connect them, its on the far end of our network, 
traversing some small backhauls because of the few customers, and say we would 
have to upgrade a minimum of two backhauls to deliver a WISP reliable service/ 

And if we quoted them something like 350 a month for the connection, just 
recouping the buildout on this would take some time as it wasnt really an area 
of the network we forecast any growth on. 

Remember we are a sub 1k subscriber network, with in the scheme of ISP 
offerings cover a small footprint.

So they were to come back with a change to the contract (note this was not an 
SLA, its a DIA, which to us is the same as an SLA to some degree, without the 
strict requirements or guarantees)

First, maintaining the 350 dollar a month cost
Change the Terms to SLA
Syncronous connectivity (whatever this means in their heads), apparently we 
might need to run fiber to every end point on the planet to ensure this)
99.5% uptime and full capacity bandwidth guarantee
24/7/365 tech support
one hour maximumum call back time
4 hour on site guarantee 24/7/365
4 hour resolution guarantee or they can terminate the contract on the spot
remove invoice payment terms, no disconnection for non payment
If our access site goes down we are required to seek a replacement site(not 
sure what the expectation here is)
-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

[Josh Luthman]

First off I'd yell how dumb that is.  You don't pay for service and we
can't shut you off?  Piss off guys.  Entitled little...

Second I'd go with Faisel, after taking a deep breath.  They're struggling
on DSL and probably weary of a new provider.  Look at it from their
perspective.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 28, 2015 7:53 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:

> On 8/28/15 15:24, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>> I never turned one of these down.  It is the drug dealer model. Once
>> they are hooked, they are hooked.  They need you so bad they will behave
>> when the times comes, if it comes.  Treat them right, be courteous when
>> they do have problems, apologize profusely and keep them informed as to
>> the nature of the problem and they are generally pretty reasonable.  I
>> never had an onerous SLA ever actually call upon the terms, they just
>> wanted things fixed.  Of course I always prorated the outage plus a bit
>> extra.
>>
>
>
> I've always prorated outages, but I'd never agree that a customer can't be
> disconnected for not paying because they don't feel like paying. If you'd
> go that far you're much braver than I am.
>
> ~Seth
>

[AFMUG] Erika

[Jason McKemie]

How are you weathering the storm down there Gino?  Looks like the bulk of
it missed PR, the DR looks like it got hit pretty hard though.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/28/15 15:24, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I never turned one of these down.  It is the drug dealer model. Once
they are hooked, they are hooked.  They need you so bad they will behave
when the times comes, if it comes.  Treat them right, be courteous when
they do have problems, apologize profusely and keep them informed as to
the nature of the problem and they are generally pretty reasonable.  I
never had an onerous SLA ever actually call upon the terms, they just
wanted things fixed.  Of course I always prorated the outage plus a bit
extra.



I've always prorated outages, but I'd never agree that a customer can't 
be disconnected for not paying because they don't feel like paying. If 
you'd go that far you're much braver than I am.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] More SCADA stuff

[Jaime Solorza]

here ya go

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:22 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> DC for Toughswitch
>

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 Watchdog Reset

[Steve Utick]

We've got a bunch of 450 stuff here running 13.4, and a cursory look shows
AP's with 30+ to 40+ days of uptime on them.


On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> I heard that 13.4 does not play nice with SM's that aren't on the same
> firmware. are all of the SM's at 13.4? I have 2 AP's and SM's at 13.4 and
> have not had any problems yet.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>> Can you post more of the log where it watchdog resets? You should see a
>> percentage beside the components so you can see more info as to why it
>> reset.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Brian Sullivan <
>> installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Last week we rolled out 13.4 to 450 AP's after testing in-house for a
>>> while.  While running 13.2 we would see an AP here or there reboot on
>>> occasion by itself.  The only message in the Event Log mentions Watchdog
>>> Reset.  This is one of the bugs that Cambium noted was fixed in the 13.4
>>> release notes.
>>>
>>> Since we upgraded the network to 13.4 we are now seeing at least 4 AP's
>>> out there rebooting several times per day.  On one of these AP's we are
>>> also seeing SM's (all 17 registered) reboot along with the AP.  The site
>>> has UPS backup so I know it's not a power grid problem.  I am planning to
>>> roll the affected AP's back to 13.2 this evening.
>>>
>>> Anyone else having Watchdog issues with the 13.4 release?
>>>
>>> **System Startup**
>>> System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset
>>> Software Version : CANOPY 13.4 AP-DES
>>> Board Type : P12
>>> Device Setting : 5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - 0a-00-3e-a0-08-e5 -
>>> 5760.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 85 - 2.5 ms
>>> FPGA Version : 040715
>>> FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI;
>>> 08/28/2015 : 14:11:42 CST : :Time Set
>>> 08/28/2015 : 14:11:58 CST : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

[TJ Trout]

I wish more of the world would do business Chuck's way. The world might be
a better place.

I was reading the netonix forum the other day and read about a guy who had
a bad fan on his switch, and the customer just wanted a new fan so he
didn't have to remove the switch from service, the companies reply? We'll
sell you one. ($2-5 fan on a $500+ product that just came out a few months
prior so it couldn't have been out of warranty!).. Made me appreciate Chuck
just a little bit more

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:24 PM,  wrote:

> I never turned one of these down.  It is the drug dealer model.  Once they
> are hooked, they are hooked.  They need you so bad they will behave when
> the times comes, if it comes.  Treat them right, be courteous when they do
> have problems, apologize profusely and keep them informed as to the nature
> of the problem and they are generally pretty reasonable.  I never had an
> onerous SLA ever actually call upon the terms, they just wanted things
> fixed.  Of course I always prorated the outage plus a bit extra.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 4:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request
>
> Oh, I missed the non-payment stuff. Yeah, efff off.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 3:05:52 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request
>
> (hypotheticals in case on top of the following in case we had to sign an
> NDA before giving them service)
>
>
> so if we were  looking at doing a connection in an area to a customer who
> currently is suffering DSL woes. And say we put up an AP for them so we
> could confirm the ability to connect them, its on the far end of our
> network, traversing some small backhauls because of the few customers, and
> say we would have to upgrade a minimum of two backhauls to deliver a WISP
> reliable service/
>
> And if we quoted them something like 350 a month for the connection, just
> recouping the buildout on this would take some time as it wasnt really an
> area of the network we forecast any growth on.
>
> Remember we are a sub 1k subscriber network, with in the scheme of ISP
> offerings cover a small footprint.
>
> So they were to come back with a change to the contract (note this was not
> an SLA, its a DIA, which to us is the same as an SLA to some degree,
> without the strict requirements or guarantees)
>
> First, maintaining the 350 dollar a month cost
> Change the Terms to SLA
> Syncronous connectivity (whatever this means in their heads), apparently
> we might need to run fiber to every end point on the planet to ensure this)
> 99.5% uptime and full capacity bandwidth guarantee
> 24/7/365 tech support
> one hour maximumum call back time
> 4 hour on site guarantee 24/7/365
> 4 hour resolution guarantee or they can terminate the contract on the spot
> remove invoice payment terms, no disconnection for non payment
> If our access site goes down we are required to seek a replacement
> site(not sure what the expectation here is)
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[chuck]

OK, did a 10 amp test, no heat to speak of.  (30 volts).  

Having a hard time finding a half ohm load at 150 watts.  

Used a coil of #16 wire which was too high (impedance) of a load.  

Also, putting two Astron power supplies in series.
They don’t play well with each other.  

I used to have a coil of nichrome.  May need to find that.  



From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 12:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

No, 7 amp.  30 amps will get the PCB traces a bit hot, perhaps glowing hot.
I guess I should test one to destruction

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

So is that like a 30A fuse you're shipping with it? Or do they actually make a 
5x20mm shorting link?


On 8/28/2015 11:15 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  �

Re: [AFMUG] 48v syncInjector

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

As others have replied. ..

The current shipping version works just fine up to 48v.  Or more accurately
around 58v.  Remember voltage in equals voltage out.I wouldn't put
anything that draws more than .75A on it right now.  So a 450i is fine as
long as you don't use the daisy chain out to power something power hungry.

I'm going to make a manufacturing (not design) change to increase that
voltage a bit, and increase the current carrying capacity a bit as well.
Both are just component swaps.
On Aug 28, 2015 7:05 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

>
> http://store.packetflux.com/gigabit-syncinjector-for-24-volt-cambium-radios/
>
> Is there a 48v variant of this in the works? It would be handier than the
> standard PoE injector when all of the voltages\polarities are the same.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

[chuck]

I never turned one of these down.  It is the drug dealer model.  Once they are 
hooked, they are hooked.  They need you so bad they will behave when the times 
comes, if it comes.  Treat them right, be courteous when they do have problems, 
apologize profusely and keep them informed as to the nature of the problem and 
they are generally pretty reasonable.  I never had an onerous SLA ever actually 
call upon the terms, they just wanted things fixed.  Of course I always 
prorated the outage plus a bit extra.  



From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 4:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

Oh, I missed the non-payment stuff. Yeah, efff off.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 3:05:52 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request


(hypotheticals in case on top of the following in case we had to sign an NDA 
before giving them service)


so if we were  looking at doing a connection in an area to a customer who 
currently is suffering DSL woes. And say we put up an AP for them so we could 
confirm the ability to connect them, its on the far end of our network, 
traversing some small backhauls because of the few customers, and say we would 
have to upgrade a minimum of two backhauls to deliver a WISP reliable service/ 

And if we quoted them something like 350 a month for the connection, just 
recouping the buildout on this would take some time as it wasnt really an area 
of the network we forecast any growth on. 

Remember we are a sub 1k subscriber network, with in the scheme of ISP 
offerings cover a small footprint.

So they were to come back with a change to the contract (note this was not an 
SLA, its a DIA, which to us is the same as an SLA to some degree, without the 
strict requirements or guarantees)

First, maintaining the 350 dollar a month cost
Change the Terms to SLA
Syncronous connectivity (whatever this means in their heads), apparently we 
might need to run fiber to every end point on the planet to ensure this)
99.5% uptime and full capacity bandwidth guarantee
24/7/365 tech support
one hour maximumum call back time
4 hour on site guarantee 24/7/365
4 hour resolution guarantee or they can terminate the contract on the spot
remove invoice payment terms, no disconnection for non payment
If our access site goes down we are required to seek a replacement site(not 
sure what the expectation here is)
-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

[Mike Hammett]

Oh, I missed the non-payment stuff. Yeah, efff off. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 3:05:52 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request 



(hypotheticals in case on top of the following in case we had to sign an NDA 
before giving them service) 



so if we were looking at doing a connection in an area to a customer who 
currently is suffering DSL woes. And say we put up an AP for them so we could 
confirm the ability to connect them, its on the far end of our network, 
traversing some small backhauls because of the few customers, and say we would 
have to upgrade a minimum of two backhauls to deliver a WISP reliable service/ 


And if we quoted them something like 350 a month for the connection, just 
recouping the buildout on this would take some time as it wasnt really an area 
of the network we forecast any growth on. 


Remember we are a sub 1k subscriber network, with in the scheme of ISP 
offerings cover a small footprint. 


So they were to come back with a change to the contract (note this was not an 
SLA, its a DIA, which to us is the same as an SLA to some degree, without the 
strict requirements or guarantees) 


First, maintaining the 350 dollar a month cost 
Change the Terms to SLA 
Syncronous connectivity (whatever this means in their heads), apparently we 
might need to run fiber to every end point on the planet to ensure this) 
99.5% uptime and full capacity bandwidth guarantee 
24/7/365 tech support 
one hour maximumum call back time 
4 hour on site guarantee 24/7/365 
4 hour resolution guarantee or they can terminate the contract on the spot 
remove invoice payment terms, no disconnection for non payment 

If our access site goes down we are required to seek a replacement site(not 
sure what the expectation here is) -- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

[Mike Hammett]

That seems reasonable if they want one or two megs. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 3:05:52 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request 



(hypotheticals in case on top of the following in case we had to sign an NDA 
before giving them service) 



so if we were looking at doing a connection in an area to a customer who 
currently is suffering DSL woes. And say we put up an AP for them so we could 
confirm the ability to connect them, its on the far end of our network, 
traversing some small backhauls because of the few customers, and say we would 
have to upgrade a minimum of two backhauls to deliver a WISP reliable service/ 


And if we quoted them something like 350 a month for the connection, just 
recouping the buildout on this would take some time as it wasnt really an area 
of the network we forecast any growth on. 


Remember we are a sub 1k subscriber network, with in the scheme of ISP 
offerings cover a small footprint. 


So they were to come back with a change to the contract (note this was not an 
SLA, its a DIA, which to us is the same as an SLA to some degree, without the 
strict requirements or guarantees) 


First, maintaining the 350 dollar a month cost 
Change the Terms to SLA 
Syncronous connectivity (whatever this means in their heads), apparently we 
might need to run fiber to every end point on the planet to ensure this) 
99.5% uptime and full capacity bandwidth guarantee 
24/7/365 tech support 
one hour maximumum call back time 
4 hour on site guarantee 24/7/365 
4 hour resolution guarantee or they can terminate the contract on the spot 
remove invoice payment terms, no disconnection for non payment 

If our access site goes down we are required to seek a replacement site(not 
sure what the expectation here is) -- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 Watchdog Reset

[Sam Lambie]

I heard that 13.4 does not play nice with SM's that aren't on the same
firmware. are all of the SM's at 13.4? I have 2 AP's and SM's at 13.4 and
have not had any problems yet.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> Can you post more of the log where it watchdog resets? You should see a
> percentage beside the components so you can see more info as to why it
> reset.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Brian Sullivan  > wrote:
>
>> Last week we rolled out 13.4 to 450 AP's after testing in-house for a
>> while.  While running 13.2 we would see an AP here or there reboot on
>> occasion by itself.  The only message in the Event Log mentions Watchdog
>> Reset.  This is one of the bugs that Cambium noted was fixed in the 13.4
>> release notes.
>>
>> Since we upgraded the network to 13.4 we are now seeing at least 4 AP's
>> out there rebooting several times per day.  On one of these AP's we are
>> also seeing SM's (all 17 registered) reboot along with the AP.  The site
>> has UPS backup so I know it's not a power grid problem.  I am planning to
>> roll the affected AP's back to 13.2 this evening.
>>
>> Anyone else having Watchdog issues with the 13.4 release?
>>
>> **System Startup**
>> System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset
>> Software Version : CANOPY 13.4 AP-DES
>> Board Type : P12
>> Device Setting : 5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - 0a-00-3e-a0-08-e5 -
>> 5760.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 85 - 2.5 ms
>> FPGA Version : 040715
>> FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI;
>> 08/28/2015 : 14:11:42 CST : :Time Set
>> 08/28/2015 : 14:11:58 CST : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port.
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 Watchdog Reset

[Ryan Ray]

Can you post more of the log where it watchdog resets? You should see a
percentage beside the components so you can see more info as to why it
reset.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Brian Sullivan 
wrote:

> Last week we rolled out 13.4 to 450 AP's after testing in-house for a
> while.  While running 13.2 we would see an AP here or there reboot on
> occasion by itself.  The only message in the Event Log mentions Watchdog
> Reset.  This is one of the bugs that Cambium noted was fixed in the 13.4
> release notes.
>
> Since we upgraded the network to 13.4 we are now seeing at least 4 AP's
> out there rebooting several times per day.  On one of these AP's we are
> also seeing SM's (all 17 registered) reboot along with the AP.  The site
> has UPS backup so I know it's not a power grid problem.  I am planning to
> roll the affected AP's back to 13.2 this evening.
>
> Anyone else having Watchdog issues with the 13.4 release?
>
> **System Startup**
> System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset
> Software Version : CANOPY 13.4 AP-DES
> Board Type : P12
> Device Setting : 5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - 0a-00-3e-a0-08-e5 -
> 5760.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 85 - 2.5 ms
> FPGA Version : 040715
> FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI;
> 08/28/2015 : 14:11:42 CST : :Time Set
> 08/28/2015 : 14:11:58 CST : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port.
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Canopy 13.4 Watchdog Reset

[Brian Sullivan]

Last week we rolled out 13.4 to 450 AP's after testing in-house for a 
while.  While running 13.2 we would see an AP here or there reboot on 
occasion by itself.  The only message in the Event Log mentions Watchdog 
Reset.  This is one of the bugs that Cambium noted was fixed in the 13.4 
release notes.


Since we upgraded the network to 13.4 we are now seeing at least 4 AP's 
out there rebooting several times per day.  On one of these AP's we are 
also seeing SM's (all 17 registered) reboot along with the AP.  The site 
has UPS backup so I know it's not a power grid problem.  I am planning 
to roll the affected AP's back to 13.2 this evening.


Anyone else having Watchdog issues with the 13.4 release?

**System Startup**
System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset
Software Version : CANOPY 13.4 AP-DES
Board Type : P12
Device Setting : 5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Access Point - 0a-00-3e-a0-08-e5 - 
5760.0 MHz - 20.0 MHz - 1/16 - CC 85 - 2.5 ms

FPGA Version : 040715
FPGA Features : DES, Sched, US/ETSI;
08/28/2015 : 14:11:42 CST : :Time Set
08/28/2015 : 14:11:58 CST : Acquired sync pulse from Power Port.

Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

[Faisal Imtiaz]

So, everything is negotiable... 

a) The un-said item is :- they need the service.. and you can provide it to 
them ? (correct ? or do they have some other options ?) 

What they are asking for is not unusual, for someone who does not have the full 
understanding of the Technology ... or someone who has some trust issues. 

You can laugh at it , and tell them to go where the sun don't shine... 
or 

You can tell them with a straight face, what you can do and what you cannot do. 

Having said that... I think you should also offer them a Month to Month deal, 
no strings attached 
(no pro-rate, pre-pay the month, and an initial build-out cost) 
Doing so will actually frame your business negotiations with them, and also put 
a comparative proposition that they could relate to. 

 
Another option to possibly explore would be along the lines of... 
e.g. This is going to cost us $10,000 all inclusive.. 
Mr Customer, how would you like to pay that ? $2000 build-out cost, and a 5 
month contract for $2000/month ? after which you can have your Month to Month 
service at the rate of $ X 

-- 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 4:05:51 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

> (hypotheticals in case on top of the following in case we had to sign an NDA
> before giving them service)

> so if we were looking at doing a connection in an area to a customer who
> currently is suffering DSL woes. And say we put up an AP for them so we could
> confirm the ability to connect them, its on the far end of our network,
> traversing some small backhauls because of the few customers, and say we would
> have to upgrade a minimum of two backhauls to deliver a WISP reliable service/
> And if we quoted them something like 350 a month for the connection, just
> recouping the buildout on this would take some time as it wasnt really an area
> of the network we forecast any growth on.

> Remember we are a sub 1k subscriber network, with in the scheme of ISP 
> offerings
> cover a small footprint.

> So they were to come back with a change to the contract (note this was not an
> SLA, its a DIA, which to us is the same as an SLA to some degree, without the
> strict requirements or guarantees)

> First, maintaining the 350 dollar a month cost
> Change the Terms to SLA
> Syncronous connectivity (whatever this means in their heads), apparently we
> might need to run fiber to every end point on the planet to ensure this)
> 99.5% uptime and full capacity bandwidth guarantee
> 24/7/365 tech support
> one hour maximumum call back time
> 4 hour on site guarantee 24/7/365
> 4 hour resolution guarantee or they can terminate the contract on the spot
> remove invoice payment terms, no disconnection for non payment
> If our access site goes down we are required to seek a replacement site(not 
> sure
> what the expectation here is)
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part
> of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[Adam Moffett]

If the application is fiber up the tower those devices always seem to be 
-48.

*shrug*

On 8/28/2015 4:54 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

It shunts all surges to ground.
No, the Plus side has to go to the Plus terminal, irrespective of what 
ground is.

I could do a bipolar design that would cost a bit more.
Or I could do a version with negative ground at the same cost but it 
would be one more part number.

*From:* George Skorup 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 2:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
I thought you're not referencing ground on this module? So couldn't we 
just put the -48 ("hot") in the + terminals to get the fuse 
protection? +48/return on the - side.


On 8/28/2015 1:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
In a pos ground environment, the fuse will not be in the circuit if 
the positive is grounded on the power supply and the load.

*From:* George Skorup 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 11:44 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
I think the idea is for power+fiber up the tower to licensed radios, 
etc. But I'm sure you could use them for whatever the hell you want. 
And it's polarity agnostic, so +48 or -48 or whatever.


We asked Chuck to make it and he did. I asked Forrest to make the 
2-relay / 3-switch expansion module (to monitor and control the Traco 
BCMs), and he did it anyway knowing that he probably wouldn't sell a 
whole lot. These guys know how to listen to customers. Maybe the rest 
of the vendors can learn something here...


On 8/28/2015 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I meant others in the deployment, not on-hand.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 12:03:33 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It is official

Sorry, was not trying to be pedantic.
Do you need others?  Of course.  You need them on hand so that you 
don’t have to order them when putting in new equipment.

You need them for spares.
You need them as objets ‘d art...
*From:* Mike Hammett 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 10:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
I know this. Please re-read my question.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 11:49:24 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It is official

These don’t have anything to do with ethernet or POE. They are two 
wires in and two wires out.

So if you are using our GigE POE products you are already protected.
*From:* Mike Hammett 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 10:30 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
I'm not gonna lie, that sounds pretty awesome.

Other than everywhere (unless that is the best answer), where would 
these be used in PoE environments? Say I have PoE radios that pass 
through one of your GigE supressors, goes into a PacketFlux 
SyncInjector and I have a DC router on site. Obviously on DC powered 
radios, I'd use them where I would normally use the GigE ones.


I'm thinking to have one on the router feed and one on the the 
SiteMonitor feed. Do I need others? Well, other than other 
DC-powered devices I may have.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 11:15:08 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] It is official

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[chuck]

It shunts all surges to ground.  
No, the Plus side has to go to the Plus terminal, irrespective of what ground 
is.  

I could do a bipolar design that would cost a bit more.
Or I could do a version with negative ground at the same cost but it would be 
one more part number.  

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 2:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

I thought you're not referencing ground on this module? So couldn't we just put 
the -48 ("hot") in the + terminals to get the fuse protection? +48/return on 
the - side.


On 8/28/2015 1:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  In a pos ground environment, the fuse will not be in the circuit if the 
positive is grounded on the power supply and the load.

  From: George Skorup 
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:44 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

  I think the idea is for power+fiber up the tower to licensed radios, etc. But 
I'm sure you could use them for whatever the hell you want. And it's polarity 
agnostic, so +48 or -48 or whatever.

  We asked Chuck to make it and he did. I asked Forrest to make the 2-relay / 
3-switch expansion module (to monitor and control the Traco BCMs), and he did 
it anyway knowing that he probably wouldn't sell a whole lot. These guys know 
how to listen to customers. Maybe the rest of the vendors can learn something 
here...


  On 8/28/2015 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I meant others in the deployment, not on-hand.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 12:03:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official


Sorry, was not trying to be pedantic.
Do you need others?  Of course.  You need them on hand so that you don’t 
have to order them when putting in new equipment.
You need them for spares.
You need them as objets ‘d art...

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

I know this. Please re-read my question.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:49:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official


These don’t have anything to do with ethernet or POE.  They are two wires 
in and two wires out.  
So if you are using our GigE POE products you are already protected.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

I'm not gonna lie, that sounds pretty awesome.

Other than everywhere (unless that is the best answer), where would these 
be used in PoE environments? Say I have PoE radios that pass through one of 
your GigE supressors, goes into a PacketFlux SyncInjector and I have a DC 
router on site. Obviously on DC powered radios, I'd use them where I would 
normally use the GigE ones.

I'm thinking to have one on the router feed and one on the the SiteMonitor 
feed. Do I need others? Well, other than other DC-powered devices I may have.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:15:08 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] It is official

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[chuck]

It was just one of the requested items.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 1:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

Almost everything I'm working with now is positive ground.
Honestly I'm fuzzy on what the fuse is protecting.  I guess most SS's burn 
destructively if they're too far over current, and this one would pop the fuse 
instead?  Is the idea to save the equipment *and* the SS?  Or maybe save the 
equipment and prevent a fire?



On 8/28/2015 2:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  In a pos ground environment, the fuse will not be in the circuit if the 
positive is grounded on the power supply and the load.

  From: George Skorup 
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:44 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

  I think the idea is for power+fiber up the tower to licensed radios, etc. But 
I'm sure you could use them for whatever the hell you want. And it's polarity 
agnostic, so +48 or -48 or whatever.

  We asked Chuck to make it and he did. I asked Forrest to make the 2-relay / 
3-switch expansion module (to monitor and control the Traco BCMs), and he did 
it anyway knowing that he probably wouldn't sell a whole lot. These guys know 
how to listen to customers. Maybe the rest of the vendors can learn something 
here...


  On 8/28/2015 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I meant others in the deployment, not on-hand.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 12:03:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official


Sorry, was not trying to be pedantic.
Do you need others?  Of course.  You need them on hand so that you don’t 
have to order them when putting in new equipment.
You need them for spares.
You need them as objets ‘d art...

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

I know this. Please re-read my question.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:49:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official


These don’t have anything to do with ethernet or POE.  They are two wires 
in and two wires out.  
So if you are using our GigE POE products you are already protected.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

I'm not gonna lie, that sounds pretty awesome.

Other than everywhere (unless that is the best answer), where would these 
be used in PoE environments? Say I have PoE radios that pass through one of 
your GigE supressors, goes into a PacketFlux SyncInjector and I have a DC 
router on site. Obviously on DC powered radios, I'd use them where I would 
normally use the GigE ones.

I'm thinking to have one on the router feed and one on the the SiteMonitor 
feed. Do I need others? Well, other than other DC-powered devices I may have.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:15:08 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] It is official

Re: [AFMUG] FS: MTI 900MHz Sectors

[Robert B Bain]

I have the same stuff and Canopy 900 Ap and SM for sale. Best offer

I have two MTI 120 degree 900MHz sectors

 

noWYR Broadband

Robert B. Bain

P.O. Box 1090

Graham, Washington 98338-1090

Office 253-922-7048

Cell / Text 253-219-2890

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 1:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] FS: MTI 900MHz Sectors

 

I have two MTI 120 degree 900MHz sectors that have been in storage for a while. 
 They were deployed.  Shipping is not going to be cheap on these. Make an offer.

 

-Jason

[AFMUG] FS: MTI 900MHz Sectors

[Jason McKemie]

I have two MTI 120 degree 900MHz sectors that have been in storage for a
while.  They were deployed.  Shipping is not going to be cheap on these.
Make an offer.

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

[Adam Moffett]

They must mean "symmetric" where they said "syncronous".  There is such 
a thing as "syncronous ethernet" but that can't be what they want.


If there's no way to promise a call back 24/7, then revise it to say one 
hour callback during busines hours.  Same with any other terms you can't 
meet. The worst they can do is say no.


The last three items are absurd though.

I think I would start with saying that you can't sign an agreement that 
makes payments optional, and if they can't budge on that point then 
there's no point in continuing the discussion.




On 8/28/2015 4:05 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
(hypotheticals in case on top of the following in case we had to sign 
an NDA before giving them service)



so if we were  looking at doing a connection in an area to a customer 
who currently is suffering DSL woes. And say we put up an AP for them 
so we could confirm the ability to connect them, its on the far end of 
our network, traversing some small backhauls because of the few 
customers, and say we would have to upgrade a minimum of two backhauls 
to deliver a WISP reliable service/


And if we quoted them something like 350 a month for the connection, 
just recouping the buildout on this would take some time as it wasnt 
really an area of the network we forecast any growth on.


Remember we are a sub 1k subscriber network, with in the scheme of ISP 
offerings cover a small footprint.


So they were to come back with a change to the contract (note this was 
not an SLA, its a DIA, which to us is the same as an SLA to some 
degree, without the strict requirements or guarantees)


First, maintaining the 350 dollar a month cost
Change the Terms to SLA
Syncronous connectivity (whatever this means in their heads), 
apparently we might need to run fiber to every end point on the planet 
to ensure this)

99.5% uptime and full capacity bandwidth guarantee
24/7/365 tech support
one hour maximumum call back time
4 hour on site guarantee 24/7/365
4 hour resolution guarantee or they can terminate the contract on the spot
remove invoice payment terms, no disconnection for non payment
If our access site goes down we are required to seek a replacement 
site(not sure what the expectation here is)

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/28/15 13:05, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:


First, maintaining the 350 dollar a month cost
Change the Terms to SLA
Syncronous connectivity (whatever this means in their heads), apparently
we might need to run fiber to every end point on the planet to ensure this)
99.5% uptime and full capacity bandwidth guarantee
24/7/365 tech support
one hour maximumum call back time
4 hour on site guarantee 24/7/365
4 hour resolution guarantee or they can terminate the contract on the spot


Oh yeah that's totally worth it. Better get right on that.



remove invoice payment terms, no disconnection for non payment


Hahahahahaha, all that *and* they don't want to be required to pay? Yeah 
good luck, something tells me they're going to be insufferable and pay 6 
months late all the time. Their DSL woes can't be that bad to be acting 
like an entitled princess.


~Seth

[AFMUG] 900FSK for sale

[David]

Anyone need some 900FSK p10 v11 subs and yagis.
We have a bunch just hit me offlist
I may have some 2.4 stuff too.

Thanks
Dave

--

Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

[David]

Second thought would be to add a formula to the response time for a 
credit on their bill and also not allow them to get out with a penalty fee.



On 08/28/2015 03:05 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
(hypotheticals in case on top of the following in case we had to sign 
an NDA before giving them service)



so if we were  looking at doing a connection in an area to a customer 
who currently is suffering DSL woes. And say we put up an AP for them 
so we could confirm the ability to connect them, its on the far end of 
our network, traversing some small backhauls because of the few 
customers, and say we would have to upgrade a minimum of two backhauls 
to deliver a WISP reliable service/


And if we quoted them something like 350 a month for the connection, 
just recouping the buildout on this would take some time as it wasnt 
really an area of the network we forecast any growth on.


Remember we are a sub 1k subscriber network, with in the scheme of ISP 
offerings cover a small footprint.


So they were to come back with a change to the contract (note this was 
not an SLA, its a DIA, which to us is the same as an SLA to some 
degree, without the strict requirements or guarantees)


First, maintaining the 350 dollar a month cost
Change the Terms to SLA
Syncronous connectivity (whatever this means in their heads), 
apparently we might need to run fiber to every end point on the planet 
to ensure this)

99.5% uptime and full capacity bandwidth guarantee
24/7/365 tech support
one hour maximumum call back time
4 hour on site guarantee 24/7/365
4 hour resolution guarantee or they can terminate the contract on the spot
remove invoice payment terms, no disconnection for non payment
If our access site goes down we are required to seek a replacement 
site(not sure what the expectation here is)

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

[David]

If I saw this.. I would have to laugh :)

Even given I have sustained  ptp450 links for 8 months  now without a 
single drop between 3 sites. I would let them know what they are asking
is for a fibre to be dropped in their lap and they reap the benefits 
with no cost to them. Then I would tell them good luck with their 
endeavours.






On 08/28/2015 03:05 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
(hypotheticals in case on top of the following in case we had to sign 
an NDA before giving them service)



so if we were  looking at doing a connection in an area to a customer 
who currently is suffering DSL woes. And say we put up an AP for them 
so we could confirm the ability to connect them, its on the far end of 
our network, traversing some small backhauls because of the few 
customers, and say we would have to upgrade a minimum of two backhauls 
to deliver a WISP reliable service/


And if we quoted them something like 350 a month for the connection, 
just recouping the buildout on this would take some time as it wasnt 
really an area of the network we forecast any growth on.


Remember we are a sub 1k subscriber network, with in the scheme of ISP 
offerings cover a small footprint.


So they were to come back with a change to the contract (note this was 
not an SLA, its a DIA, which to us is the same as an SLA to some 
degree, without the strict requirements or guarantees)


First, maintaining the 350 dollar a month cost
Change the Terms to SLA
Syncronous connectivity (whatever this means in their heads), 
apparently we might need to run fiber to every end point on the planet 
to ensure this)

99.5% uptime and full capacity bandwidth guarantee
24/7/365 tech support
one hour maximumum call back time
4 hour on site guarantee 24/7/365
4 hour resolution guarantee or they can terminate the contract on the spot
remove invoice payment terms, no disconnection for non payment
If our access site goes down we are required to seek a replacement 
site(not sure what the expectation here is)

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[George Skorup]

I thought you're not referencing ground on this module? So couldn't we 
just put the -48 ("hot") in the + terminals to get the fuse protection? 
+48/return on the - side.


On 8/28/2015 1:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
In a pos ground environment, the fuse will not be in the circuit if 
the positive is grounded on the power supply and the load.

*From:* George Skorup 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 11:44 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
I think the idea is for power+fiber up the tower to licensed radios, 
etc. But I'm sure you could use them for whatever the hell you want. 
And it's polarity agnostic, so +48 or -48 or whatever.


We asked Chuck to make it and he did. I asked Forrest to make the 
2-relay / 3-switch expansion module (to monitor and control the Traco 
BCMs), and he did it anyway knowing that he probably wouldn't sell a 
whole lot. These guys know how to listen to customers. Maybe the rest 
of the vendors can learn something here...


On 8/28/2015 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I meant others in the deployment, not on-hand.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 12:03:33 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It is official

Sorry, was not trying to be pedantic.
Do you need others?  Of course.  You need them on hand so that you 
don’t have to order them when putting in new equipment.

You need them for spares.
You need them as objets ‘d art...
*From:* Mike Hammett 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 10:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
I know this. Please re-read my question.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 11:49:24 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It is official

These don’t have anything to do with ethernet or POE.  They are two 
wires in and two wires out.

So if you are using our GigE POE products you are already protected.
*From:* Mike Hammett 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 10:30 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
I'm not gonna lie, that sounds pretty awesome.

Other than everywhere (unless that is the best answer), where would 
these be used in PoE environments? Say I have PoE radios that pass 
through one of your GigE supressors, goes into a PacketFlux 
SyncInjector and I have a DC router on site. Obviously on DC powered 
radios, I'd use them where I would normally use the GigE ones.


I'm thinking to have one on the router feed and one on the the 
SiteMonitor feed. Do I need others? Well, other than other DC-powered 
devices I may have.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 11:15:08 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] It is official

[AFMUG] Ridiculous SLA request

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

(hypotheticals in case on top of the following in case we had to sign an
NDA before giving them service)


so if we were  looking at doing a connection in an area to a customer who
currently is suffering DSL woes. And say we put up an AP for them so we
could confirm the ability to connect them, its on the far end of our
network, traversing some small backhauls because of the few customers, and
say we would have to upgrade a minimum of two backhauls to deliver a WISP
reliable service/

And if we quoted them something like 350 a month for the connection, just
recouping the buildout on this would take some time as it wasnt really an
area of the network we forecast any growth on.

Remember we are a sub 1k subscriber network, with in the scheme of ISP
offerings cover a small footprint.

So they were to come back with a change to the contract (note this was not
an SLA, its a DIA, which to us is the same as an SLA to some degree,
without the strict requirements or guarantees)

First, maintaining the 350 dollar a month cost
Change the Terms to SLA
Syncronous connectivity (whatever this means in their heads), apparently we
might need to run fiber to every end point on the planet to ensure this)
99.5% uptime and full capacity bandwidth guarantee
24/7/365 tech support
one hour maximumum call back time
4 hour on site guarantee 24/7/365
4 hour resolution guarantee or they can terminate the contract on the spot
remove invoice payment terms, no disconnection for non payment
If our access site goes down we are required to seek a replacement site(not
sure what the expectation here is)
-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[David]

I could use this on a couple towers we have Hybrid deployments because 
as it is now the mains go thru a fuse buss. I would think it would be

beneficial to have some surge protection on those lines.



On 08/28/2015 01:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
In a pos ground environment, the fuse will not be in the circuit if 
the positive is grounded on the power supply and the load.

*From:* George Skorup 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 11:44 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
I think the idea is for power+fiber up the tower to licensed radios, 
etc. But I'm sure you could use them for whatever the hell you want. 
And it's polarity agnostic, so +48 or -48 or whatever.


We asked Chuck to make it and he did. I asked Forrest to make the 
2-relay / 3-switch expansion module (to monitor and control the Traco 
BCMs), and he did it anyway knowing that he probably wouldn't sell a 
whole lot. These guys know how to listen to customers. Maybe the rest 
of the vendors can learn something here...


On 8/28/2015 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I meant others in the deployment, not on-hand.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 12:03:33 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It is official

Sorry, was not trying to be pedantic.
Do you need others?  Of course.  You need them on hand so that you 
don’t have to order them when putting in new equipment.

You need them for spares.
You need them as objets ‘d art...
*From:* Mike Hammett 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 10:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
I know this. Please re-read my question.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 11:49:24 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It is official

These don’t have anything to do with ethernet or POE.  They are two 
wires in and two wires out.

So if you are using our GigE POE products you are already protected.
*From:* Mike Hammett 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 10:30 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
I'm not gonna lie, that sounds pretty awesome.

Other than everywhere (unless that is the best answer), where would 
these be used in PoE environments? Say I have PoE radios that pass 
through one of your GigE supressors, goes into a PacketFlux 
SyncInjector and I have a DC router on site. Obviously on DC powered 
radios, I'd use them where I would normally use the GigE ones.


I'm thinking to have one on the router feed and one on the the 
SiteMonitor feed. Do I need others? Well, other than other DC-powered 
devices I may have.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 11:15:08 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] It is official

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[Adam Moffett]

Almost everything I'm working with now is positive ground.
Honestly I'm fuzzy on what the fuse is protecting.  I guess most SS's 
burn destructively if they're too far over current, and this one would 
pop the fuse instead?  Is the idea to save the equipment *and* the SS?  
Or maybe save the equipment and prevent a fire?



On 8/28/2015 2:37 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
In a pos ground environment, the fuse will not be in the circuit if 
the positive is grounded on the power supply and the load.

*From:* George Skorup 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 11:44 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
I think the idea is for power+fiber up the tower to licensed radios, 
etc. But I'm sure you could use them for whatever the hell you want. 
And it's polarity agnostic, so +48 or -48 or whatever.


We asked Chuck to make it and he did. I asked Forrest to make the 
2-relay / 3-switch expansion module (to monitor and control the Traco 
BCMs), and he did it anyway knowing that he probably wouldn't sell a 
whole lot. These guys know how to listen to customers. Maybe the rest 
of the vendors can learn something here...


On 8/28/2015 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I meant others in the deployment, not on-hand.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 12:03:33 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It is official

Sorry, was not trying to be pedantic.
Do you need others?  Of course.  You need them on hand so that you 
don’t have to order them when putting in new equipment.

You need them for spares.
You need them as objets ‘d art...
*From:* Mike Hammett 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 10:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
I know this. Please re-read my question.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 11:49:24 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It is official

These don’t have anything to do with ethernet or POE.  They are two 
wires in and two wires out.

So if you are using our GigE POE products you are already protected.
*From:* Mike Hammett 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 10:30 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
I'm not gonna lie, that sounds pretty awesome.

Other than everywhere (unless that is the best answer), where would 
these be used in PoE environments? Say I have PoE radios that pass 
through one of your GigE supressors, goes into a PacketFlux 
SyncInjector and I have a DC router on site. Obviously on DC powered 
radios, I'd use them where I would normally use the GigE ones.


I'm thinking to have one on the router feed and one on the the 
SiteMonitor feed. Do I need others? Well, other than other DC-powered 
devices I may have.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 11:15:08 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] It is official

Re: [AFMUG] For Sale: Cambium PTP320 AP's and CPE

[Adam Moffett]

If buyer needs more than 50 CPE, I have 25 or so Telrad 3000 SU's. 
They're the same hardware as the CSM320, just different firmware.



On 8/28/2015 11:19 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

I have 2 new-in-box and 1 tower pull PTP320AP with antenna’s for sale.

Also ~50 assorted Gemtek and Cambium CPE in a mix of integrated and external 
antenna.

If interested make offer, or tell me what you are looking for in CPE and I can 
get you a specific count.

Mark

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[Ty Featherling]

Yes please, on video.

-Ty

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 1:33 PM,  wrote:

> No, 7 amp.  30 amps will get the PCB traces a bit hot, perhaps glowing hot.
> I guess I should test one to destruction
>
> *From:* George Skorup 
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 11:33 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
>
> So is that like a 30A fuse you're shipping with it? Or do they actually
> make a 5x20mm shorting link?
>
> On 8/28/2015 11:15 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> �
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[chuck]

In a pos ground environment, the fuse will not be in the circuit if the 
positive is grounded on the power supply and the load.

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

I think the idea is for power+fiber up the tower to licensed radios, etc. But 
I'm sure you could use them for whatever the hell you want. And it's polarity 
agnostic, so +48 or -48 or whatever.

We asked Chuck to make it and he did. I asked Forrest to make the 2-relay / 
3-switch expansion module (to monitor and control the Traco BCMs), and he did 
it anyway knowing that he probably wouldn't sell a whole lot. These guys know 
how to listen to customers. Maybe the rest of the vendors can learn something 
here...


On 8/28/2015 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  I meant others in the deployment, not on-hand.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 12:03:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official


  Sorry, was not trying to be pedantic.
  Do you need others?  Of course.  You need them on hand so that you don’t have 
to order them when putting in new equipment.
  You need them for spares.
  You need them as objets ‘d art...

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:58 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

  I know this. Please re-read my question.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:49:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official


  These don’t have anything to do with ethernet or POE.  They are two wires in 
and two wires out.  
  So if you are using our GigE POE products you are already protected.  

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:30 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

  I'm not gonna lie, that sounds pretty awesome.

  Other than everywhere (unless that is the best answer), where would these be 
used in PoE environments? Say I have PoE radios that pass through one of your 
GigE supressors, goes into a PacketFlux SyncInjector and I have a DC router on 
site. Obviously on DC powered radios, I'd use them where I would normally use 
the GigE ones.

  I'm thinking to have one on the router feed and one on the the SiteMonitor 
feed. Do I need others? Well, other than other DC-powered devices I may have.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:15:08 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] It is official

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[chuck]

No, 7 amp.  30 amps will get the PCB traces a bit hot, perhaps glowing hot.
I guess I should test one to destruction

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

So is that like a 30A fuse you're shipping with it? Or do they actually make a 
5x20mm shorting link?


On 8/28/2015 11:15 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  �

Re: [AFMUG] OT, wildly OT

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Lettem flop, I dont care. I teach my kids its all just skin, no different
than an elbow.
They could care less about nudity (they actually could care less than they
do, but its not worth their time for the effort, grammar nazis)

I dont care is everybody wants to walk around naked, I like judging people,
and occasionally making facebook memes, the meme material would be endless
with everybody walking around naked.


On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Joshua Stump  wrote:

> Hahaha.. sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. I say let them
> all fly.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 1:06 PM,  wrote:
>
>> OK, reading a news article about the topless situation in Times Square.
>> I think we can compromise.
>>
>> Topless is OK for all women between the ages of 18 and 28 with a BMI
>> between 20 and 25 that have all their teeth.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Joshua Stump
>
> Network Administrator | Fourway.NET | 800-733-0062
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[Mike Hammett]

Oh, I agree. I was just making sure what the best practices were for where I 
put them make sure I use enough of them now that they're "available". 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: "George Skorup"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 12:44:52 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official 

I think the idea is for power+fiber up the tower to licensed radios, etc. But 
I'm sure you could use them for whatever the hell you want. And it's polarity 
agnostic, so +48 or -48 or whatever. 

We asked Chuck to make it and he did. I asked Forrest to make the 2-relay / 
3-switch expansion module (to monitor and control the Traco BCMs), and he did 
it anyway knowing that he probably wouldn't sell a whole lot. These guys know 
how to listen to customers. Maybe the rest of the vendors can learn something 
here... 


On 8/28/2015 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



I meant others in the deployment, not on-hand. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 12:03:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official 




Sorry, was not trying to be pedantic. 
Do you need others? Of course. You need them on hand so that you don’t have to 
order them when putting in new equipment. 
You need them for spares. 
You need them as objets ‘d art... 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:58 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official 


I know this. Please re-read my question. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:49:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official 




These don’t have anything to do with ethernet or POE. They are two wires in and 
two wires out. 
So if you are using our GigE POE products you are already protected. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:30 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official 


I'm not gonna lie, that sounds pretty awesome. 

Other than everywhere (unless that is the best answer), where would these be 
used in PoE environments? Say I have PoE radios that pass through one of your 
GigE supressors, goes into a PacketFlux SyncInjector and I have a DC router on 
site. Obviously on DC powered radios, I'd use them where I would normally use 
the GigE ones. 

I'm thinking to have one on the router feed and one on the the SiteMonitor 
feed. Do I need others? Well, other than other DC-powered devices I may have. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:15:08 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] It is official 

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[George Skorup]

I think the idea is for power+fiber up the tower to licensed radios, 
etc. But I'm sure you could use them for whatever the hell you want. And 
it's polarity agnostic, so +48 or -48 or whatever.


We asked Chuck to make it and he did. I asked Forrest to make the 
2-relay / 3-switch expansion module (to monitor and control the Traco 
BCMs), and he did it anyway knowing that he probably wouldn't sell a 
whole lot. These guys know how to listen to customers. Maybe the rest of 
the vendors can learn something here...


On 8/28/2015 12:10 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I meant others in the deployment, not on-hand.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 12:03:33 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It is official

Sorry, was not trying to be pedantic.
Do you need others?  Of course.  You need them on hand so that you 
don’t have to order them when putting in new equipment.

You need them for spares.
You need them as objets ‘d art...
*From:* Mike Hammett 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 10:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
I know this. Please re-read my question.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 11:49:24 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It is official

These don’t have anything to do with ethernet or POE.  They are two 
wires in and two wires out.

So if you are using our GigE POE products you are already protected.
*From:* Mike Hammett 
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 10:30 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
I'm not gonna lie, that sounds pretty awesome.

Other than everywhere (unless that is the best answer), where would 
these be used in PoE environments? Say I have PoE radios that pass 
through one of your GigE supressors, goes into a PacketFlux 
SyncInjector and I have a DC router on site. Obviously on DC powered 
radios, I'd use them where I would normally use the GigE ones.


I'm thinking to have one on the router feed and one on the the 
SiteMonitor feed. Do I need others? Well, other than other DC-powered 
devices I may have.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 11:15:08 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] It is official

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[George Skorup]

So is that like a 30A fuse you're shipping with it? Or do they actually 
make a 5x20mm shorting link?


On 8/28/2015 11:15 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[Jason McKemie]

I could use a couple fairly soon...

On Friday, August 28, 2015,  wrote:

> I have about 20 in the shop.  The channel doesn’t know about it yet, so
> you will get silence from the dealers if you ask for them.
> They love it when I do it this way...
>
> *From:* TJ Trout 
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 11:05 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
>
> Can I have a sample ? =) Or how long before they will be order-able from
> the normal channels?
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:03 AM,  > wrote:
>
>> Sorry, was not trying to be pedantic.
>> Do you need others?  Of course.  You need them on hand so that you don’t
>> have to order them when putting in new equipment.
>> You need them for spares.
>> You need them as objets ‘d art...
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett 
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 10:58 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
>>
>> I know this. Please re-read my question.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 11:49:24 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It is official
>>
>> These don’t have anything to do with ethernet or POE.  They are two wires
>> in and two wires out.
>> So if you are using our GigE POE products you are already protected.
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett 
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 10:30 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
>>
>> I'm not gonna lie, that sounds pretty awesome.
>>
>> Other than everywhere (unless that is the best answer), where would these
>> be used in PoE environments? Say I have PoE radios that pass through one of
>> your GigE supressors, goes into a PacketFlux SyncInjector and I have a DC
>> router on site. Obviously on DC powered radios, I'd use them where I would
>> normally use the GigE ones.
>>
>> I'm thinking to have one on the router feed and one on the the
>> SiteMonitor feed. Do I need others? Well, other than other DC-powered
>> devices I may have.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 11:15:08 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] It is official
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Link to DCSS-APC

[chuck]

http://www.mccowntech.com/products.cfm?PID=93&Cat=

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

We know about it now!  :-)

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Aug 28, 2015, at 1:07 PM,   wrote:
> 
> I have about 20 in the shop.  The channel doesn’t know about it yet, so you 
> will get silence from the dealers if you ask for them. 
> They love it when I do it this way...
>  
> From: TJ Trout
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:05 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official
>  
> Can I have a sample ? =) Or how long before they will be order-able from the 
> normal channels?
>  
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:03 AM,  wrote:
>> Sorry, was not trying to be pedantic.
>> Do you need others?  Of course.  You need them on hand so that you don’t 
>> have to order them when putting in new equipment.
>> You need them for spares.
>> You need them as objets ‘d art...
>>  
>> From: Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:58 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official
>>  
>> I know this. Please re-read my question.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> 
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:49:24 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official
>> 
>> These don’t have anything to do with ethernet or POE.  They are two wires in 
>> and two wires out. 
>> So if you are using our GigE POE products you are already protected.  
>>  
>> From: Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:30 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official
>>  
>> I'm not gonna lie, that sounds pretty awesome.
>> 
>> Other than everywhere (unless that is the best answer), where would these be 
>> used in PoE environments? Say I have PoE radios that pass through one of 
>> your GigE supressors, goes into a PacketFlux SyncInjector and I have a DC 
>> router on site. Obviously on DC powered radios, I'd use them where I would 
>> normally use the GigE ones.
>> 
>> I'm thinking to have one on the router feed and one on the the SiteMonitor 
>> feed. Do I need others? Well, other than other DC-powered devices I may have.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>> 
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:15:08 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] It is official
> 
>  

Re: [AFMUG] OT, wildly OT

[Joshua Stump]

Hahaha.. sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. I say let them
all fly.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 1:06 PM,  wrote:

> OK, reading a news article about the topless situation in Times Square.
> I think we can compromise.
>
> Topless is OK for all women between the ages of 18 and 28 with a BMI
> between 20 and 25 that have all their teeth.
>
>



-- 
Joshua Stump

Network Administrator | Fourway.NET | 800-733-0062

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for 5.7 430 SM's

[TJ Trout]

I have maybe 40, what do you consider to be a fair price?

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I don’t, but if you are willing to buy new, try Mark Chamerlik at WAV.
> They had some excess stock of SM20’s, I really didn’t need SM20’s, but he
> came down on the price a bit to move them.  Might still have some.
>
>
> *From:* Sam Lambie 
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 10:07 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Looking for 5.7 430 SM's
>
> Anyone have some they want to part with?
>
> thanks
>
> Sam
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[Mike Hammett]

I meant others in the deployment, not on-hand. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 12:03:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official 




Sorry, was not trying to be pedantic. 
Do you need others? Of course. You need them on hand so that you don’t have to 
order them when putting in new equipment. 
You need them for spares. 
You need them as objets ‘d art... 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:58 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official 


I know this. Please re-read my question. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:49:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official 




These don’t have anything to do with ethernet or POE. They are two wires in and 
two wires out. 
So if you are using our GigE POE products you are already protected. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:30 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official 


I'm not gonna lie, that sounds pretty awesome. 

Other than everywhere (unless that is the best answer), where would these be 
used in PoE environments? Say I have PoE radios that pass through one of your 
GigE supressors, goes into a PacketFlux SyncInjector and I have a DC router on 
site. Obviously on DC powered radios, I'd use them where I would normally use 
the GigE ones. 

I'm thinking to have one on the router feed and one on the the SiteMonitor 
feed. Do I need others? Well, other than other DC-powered devices I may have. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:15:08 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] It is official 

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[chuck]

I have about 20 in the shop.  The channel doesn’t know about it yet, so you 
will get silence from the dealers if you ask for them.  
They love it when I do it this way...

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

Can I have a sample ? =) Or how long before they will be order-able from the 
normal channels?

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:03 AM,  wrote:

  Sorry, was not trying to be pedantic.
  Do you need others?  Of course.  You need them on hand so that you don’t have 
to order them when putting in new equipment.
  You need them for spares.
  You need them as objets ‘d art...

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:58 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

  I know this. Please re-read my question.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:49:24 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official


  These don’t have anything to do with ethernet or POE.  They are two wires in 
and two wires out.  
  So if you are using our GigE POE products you are already protected.  

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:30 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

  I'm not gonna lie, that sounds pretty awesome.

  Other than everywhere (unless that is the best answer), where would these be 
used in PoE environments? Say I have PoE radios that pass through one of your 
GigE supressors, goes into a PacketFlux SyncInjector and I have a DC router on 
site. Obviously on DC powered radios, I'd use them where I would normally use 
the GigE ones.

  I'm thinking to have one on the router feed and one on the the SiteMonitor 
feed. Do I need others? Well, other than other DC-powered devices I may have.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



--

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:15:08 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] It is official

[AFMUG] OT, wildly OT

[chuck]

OK, reading a news article about the topless situation in Times Square.
I think we can compromise.  

Topless is OK for all women between the ages of 18 and 28 with a BMI between 20 
and 25 that have all their teeth.
 

Re: [AFMUG] accessing pmp keys?

[George Skorup]

Contact support and they will look them up for you.

On 8/28/2015 11:00 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
We still had three left, I thought we had put them in already. My 
cambium login however is a different login than the motorola one was. 
my moto login was just a username. I dont know if I ever changed 
anything, it was so long ago the last time i dealt with it


On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Darren Shea > wrote:


They moved it to https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/entitlements
- the whole system is different, but if you have your Entitlement
IDs, you should still be able to access them.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 10:43 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] accessing pmp keys?

http://licensing.motorola.com  is
where we used to get our keys, we have some unused advantage keys
yet. Where do we go to see this stuff now?

-- 


If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[TJ Trout]

Can I have a sample ? =) Or how long before they will be order-able from
the normal channels?

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:03 AM,  wrote:

> Sorry, was not trying to be pedantic.
> Do you need others?  Of course.  You need them on hand so that you don’t
> have to order them when putting in new equipment.
> You need them for spares.
> You need them as objets ‘d art...
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 10:58 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
>
> I know this. Please re-read my question.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 11:49:24 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It is official
>
> These don’t have anything to do with ethernet or POE.  They are two wires
> in and two wires out.
> So if you are using our GigE POE products you are already protected.
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 10:30 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It is official
>
> I'm not gonna lie, that sounds pretty awesome.
>
> Other than everywhere (unless that is the best answer), where would these
> be used in PoE environments? Say I have PoE radios that pass through one of
> your GigE supressors, goes into a PacketFlux SyncInjector and I have a DC
> router on site. Obviously on DC powered radios, I'd use them where I would
> normally use the GigE ones.
>
> I'm thinking to have one on the router feed and one on the the SiteMonitor
> feed. Do I need others? Well, other than other DC-powered devices I may
> have.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, August 28, 2015 11:15:08 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] It is official
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[chuck]

Sorry, was not trying to be pedantic.
Do you need others?  Of course.  You need them on hand so that you don’t have 
to order them when putting in new equipment.
You need them for spares.
You need them as objets ‘d art...

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

I know this. Please re-read my question.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:49:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official


These don’t have anything to do with ethernet or POE.  They are two wires in 
and two wires out.  
So if you are using our GigE POE products you are already protected.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

I'm not gonna lie, that sounds pretty awesome.

Other than everywhere (unless that is the best answer), where would these be 
used in PoE environments? Say I have PoE radios that pass through one of your 
GigE supressors, goes into a PacketFlux SyncInjector and I have a DC router on 
site. Obviously on DC powered radios, I'd use them where I would normally use 
the GigE ones.

I'm thinking to have one on the router feed and one on the the SiteMonitor 
feed. Do I need others? Well, other than other DC-powered devices I may have.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:15:08 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] It is official

Re: [AFMUG] 48v syncInjector

[George Skorup]

Yup. And he said definitely don't exceed 58 volts.

On 8/28/2015 8:40 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
Wasn't Forrest saying that you could power the 450i off of this 
injector if you feed it 48v?  Although the picture does say 30v max, 
so maybe I'm thinking of something else?


On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Mike Hammett > wrote:



http://store.packetflux.com/gigabit-syncinjector-for-24-volt-cambium-radios/

Is there a 48v variant of this in the works? It would be handier than 
the standard PoE injector when all of the voltages\polarities are the 
same.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] SYNCPIPE DELUXE - works with 320APs ??

[George Skorup]

Yes, there's really no difference between Parasitics and Deluxe pipes, 
other than the obvious wiring and use cases.


On 8/28/2015 8:07 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


Does the SYNCPIPE DELUXE work to provide sync with 320APs?  Any issues?

On the website, it says specifically that the parasitic model works 
with 320s, but does not specifically say what the SYNCPIPE DELUXE  
will work with.


The answer is most likely yes, but I don�t want to assume.

Paul, PDMNet

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[Mike Hammett]

I know this. Please re-read my question. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:49:24 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official 




These don’t have anything to do with ethernet or POE. They are two wires in and 
two wires out. 
So if you are using our GigE POE products you are already protected. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:30 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official 


I'm not gonna lie, that sounds pretty awesome. 

Other than everywhere (unless that is the best answer), where would these be 
used in PoE environments? Say I have PoE radios that pass through one of your 
GigE supressors, goes into a PacketFlux SyncInjector and I have a DC router on 
site. Obviously on DC powered radios, I'd use them where I would normally use 
the GigE ones. 

I'm thinking to have one on the router feed and one on the the SiteMonitor 
feed. Do I need others? Well, other than other DC-powered devices I may have. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:15:08 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] It is official 

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[chuck]

These don’t have anything to do with ethernet or POE.  They are two wires in 
and two wires out.  
So if you are using our GigE POE products you are already protected.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It is official

I'm not gonna lie, that sounds pretty awesome.

Other than everywhere (unless that is the best answer), where would these be 
used in PoE environments? Say I have PoE radios that pass through one of your 
GigE supressors, goes into a PacketFlux SyncInjector and I have a DC router on 
site. Obviously on DC powered radios, I'd use them where I would normally use 
the GigE ones.

I'm thinking to have one on the router feed and one on the the SiteMonitor 
feed. Do I need others? Well, other than other DC-powered devices I may have.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com





From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:15:08 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] It is official

Re: [AFMUG] Nest Cams

[Bill Prince]

I would say that they are anti-security cams. They open a door into your 
home network. Perfect for the NSA or kiddy-hackers from North Korea.


bp


On 8/28/2015 9:01 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
People should not be using these as a security camera - maybe a 
nannycam or petcam.

Re: [AFMUG] It is official

[Mike Hammett]

I'm not gonna lie, that sounds pretty awesome. 

Other than everywhere (unless that is the best answer), where would these be 
used in PoE environments? Say I have PoE radios that pass through one of your 
GigE supressors, goes into a PacketFlux SyncInjector and I have a DC router on 
site. Obviously on DC powered radios, I'd use them where I would normally use 
the GigE ones. 

I'm thinking to have one on the router feed and one on the the SiteMonitor feed 
. Do I need others? Well, other than other DC-powered devices I may have. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 11:15:08 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] It is official 

Re: [AFMUG] cnPilot webinar replay

[Josh Luthman]

No form

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 28, 2015 12:05 PM, "Ray Savich" 
wrote:

> The cnPilot webinar replay is available (with no registration form) at
> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnPilot/cnPilot-Introduction-Webinar-Aug-25/m-p/43286#U43286
> . We will answer any questions or comments that you post there.
>
>
>
> We look forward to hearing from you.
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
>
> Join the Conversation
>
> Cambium Networks Community Forum 
>
>
>

[AFMUG] It is official

[chuck]

[AFMUG] cnPilot webinar replay

[Ray Savich]

The cnPilot webinar replay is available (with no registration form) at 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnPilot/cnPilot-Introduction-Webinar-Aug-25/m-p/43286#U43286
 . We will answer any questions or comments that you post there.

We look forward to hearing from you.

Ray

Join the Conversation
Cambium Networks Community Forum

[AFMUG] Nest Cams

[Ken Hohhof]

Am I right these things have really poor WiFi signal levels?  Anybody know 
if there is a way to improve it, like adding an external antenna or 
something?


Customers hook them up, go away for a week, and then complain their Internet 
was going up and down while they were gone, when it was a WiFi problem not 
an Internet problem.  Now that I switched one such customer over to a 
managed router, I can see the signal from one of the Nest Cams is 
around -79.  It does work reliably now with the Mikrotik 951G which it 
didn't with their Netgear WNDR4500, but -79 still sucks for a signal given 
it's just a ranch house.


People should not be using these as a security camera - maybe a nannycam or 
petcam.  All a thief would need is a primitive WiFi jammer and the cameras 
are offline, there is no local storage.  Plus each camera uses 200 kbps 
upstream, and there is a monthly fee per camera for the cloud storage.  At 
least it worked without UPnP.  And at least Nest warns you not to use them 
with a mobile hotspot because you will exceed your data usage cap. 

Re: [AFMUG] accessing pmp keys?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

We still had three left, I thought we had put them in already. My cambium
login however is a different login than the motorola one was. my moto login
was just a username. I dont know if I ever changed anything, it was so long
ago the last time i dealt with it

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:52 AM, Darren Shea  wrote:

> They moved it to https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/entitlements - the
> whole system is different, but if you have your Entitlement IDs, you should
> still be able to access them.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, August 28, 2015 10:43 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] accessing pmp keys?
>
>
>
> http://licensing.motorola.com is where we used to get our keys, we have
> some unused advantage keys yet. Where do we go to see this stuff now?
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] accessing pmp keys?

[Darren Shea]

They moved it to https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/entitlements - the whole 
system is different, but if you have your Entitlement IDs, you should still be 
able to access them.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] accessing pmp keys?

 

http://licensing.motorola.com   is where we 
used to get our keys, we have some unused advantage keys yet. Where do we go to 
see this stuff now?


 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] accessing pmp keys?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

http://licensing.motorola.com is where we used to get our keys, we have
some unused advantage keys yet. Where do we go to see this stuff now?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] For Sale: Cambium PTP320 AP's and CPE

[Mark Radabaugh]

I have 2 new-in-box and 1 tower pull PTP320AP with antenna’s for sale.

Also ~50 assorted Gemtek and Cambium CPE in a mix of integrated and external 
antenna.

If interested make offer, or tell me what you are looking for in CPE and I can 
get you a specific count.

Mark

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for 5.7 430 SM's

[Ken Hohhof]

I don’t, but if you are willing to buy new, try Mark Chamerlik at WAV.  They 
had some excess stock of SM20’s, I really didn’t need SM20’s, but he came down 
on the price a bit to move them.  Might still have some.


From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2015 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for 5.7 430 SM's

Anyone have some they want to part with?


thanks


Sam


-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

[AFMUG] Looking for 5.7 430 SM's

[Sam Lambie]

Anyone have some they want to part with?

thanks

Sam

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] what size Dymo Rhino labels for Cat5 cable?

[Jeremy]

I also use the Rhino with 3/4" labels.  Just set it to CatX.  I use XS
font, but S will work if you aren't trying to type something long like
'site monitor'

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 10:49 AM, George Skorup  wrote:

> I have a Rhino 5200 and use the 3/4" tape for cables. Two lines across the
> width is readable (to me). Sometimes, if things are complicated/confusing,
> I'll just do a second label for router/switch port, etc.
>
>
> On 8/27/2015 10:24 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>> What size wraparound labels are best for Cat5 cable?
>>
>> And which direction to print?  Along the length of the label (so more
>> words
>> = longer label) or the width of the label (so all labels are the same
>> size)?
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] Rain page update

[Josh Luthman]

That one is an old Ubnt bullet.  The new Ubnt bullet is a much better
picture.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 10:16 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> What kind of camera are you grabbing stills from?
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:08 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> That's linked to on my page as well.  I still kind of prefer the TDWR
>> resolution.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Aug 26, 2015 6:50 PM, "D. Ryan Spott"  wrote:
>>
>>> I use this map:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?brand=wxmap&query=47.86729,-121.77296&lat=47.86729&lon=-121.77296&zoom=10&type=ter&units=english&wxsn=1&wxsn.mode=tw&rad=0&sat=0
>>>
>>> --
>>> D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
>>> broadband | telco | colo | communities
>>> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
>>> 425-939-0047
>>>
>>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 14:50, Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I know a couple of people are using my rain page and copied it for their
>>> own use (and regions).  Wunderground is updating their imagery and today
>>> the NA map started breaking.  That would be easy to steal.  If you need a
>>> hand with the regional one just ask.
>>>
>>> http://inxwireless.com/rain
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> ___
>>> Wireless mailing list
>>> wirel...@wispa.org
>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] Rain page update

[Joe Novak]

What kind of camera are you grabbing stills from?

On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:08 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> That's linked to on my page as well.  I still kind of prefer the TDWR
> resolution.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Aug 26, 2015 6:50 PM, "D. Ryan Spott"  wrote:
>
>> I use this map:
>>
>>
>> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?brand=wxmap&query=47.86729,-121.77296&lat=47.86729&lon=-121.77296&zoom=10&type=ter&units=english&wxsn=1&wxsn.mode=tw&rad=0&sat=0
>>
>> --
>> D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
>> broadband | telco | colo | communities
>> PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
>> 425-939-0047
>>
>> On Aug 26, 2015, at 14:50, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I know a couple of people are using my rain page and copied it for their
>> own use (and regions).  Wunderground is updating their imagery and today
>> the NA map started breaking.  That would be easy to steal.  If you need a
>> hand with the regional one just ask.
>>
>> http://inxwireless.com/rain
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> ___
>> Wireless mailing list
>> wirel...@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] The Dude. Is it still being updated?

[Cameron Crum]

Never

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 8:59 AM, Rory McCann  wrote:

> Is it too early for a white russian?
>
> Rory McCann
> MKAP Technology Solutions
> Web: www.mkap.net
>
> On 8/28/2015 8:56 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> The Dude abides, man, the Dude abides.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Rory McCann  wrote:
>
>> I think there were some hints about possible CAPsMAN integration as well.
>>
>> What baffles me is there is definitely a ton of interest in the project
>> and several people have said they'd have no problem paying. Seems like it
>> would be a no-brainer to at least set aside SOME resources towards bug
>> fixes and minor feature enhancements, if nothing else.
>>
>> Rory McCann
>> MKAP Technology Solutions
>> Web: www.mkap.net
>>
>> On 8/27/2015 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> [image: Image result for The Dude]
>>
>> The Dude
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Mathew Howard < 
>> mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But isn't that pretty much what they've been saying for the last few
>>> years?
>>>
>>> Maybe it's not dead, but it doesn't seem very alive either... more of a
>>> zombie.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Mike Hammett < 
>>> af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>
 There's a rumor they're working on something now. Nothing official that
 I'm aware of other than "The Dude isn't dead."



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *"Sam Lambie" < samtaos...@gmail.com>
 *To: * af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:39:10 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] The Dude. Is it still being updated?


 Is this app still being supported? Or is there something better now?

 --
 --
 *Sam Lambie*
 Taosnet Wireless Tech.
 575-758-7598 Office
 www.Taosnet.com


>>>
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>
>

Re: [AFMUG] The Dude. Is it still being updated?

[Rory McCann]

Is it too early for a white russian?

Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.net

On 8/28/2015 8:56 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:

The Dude abides, man, the Dude abides.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Rory McCann > wrote:


I think there were some hints about possible CAPsMAN integration
as well.

What baffles me is there is definitely a ton of interest in the
project and several people have said they'd have no problem
paying. Seems like it would be a no-brainer to at least set aside
SOME resources towards bug fixes and minor feature enhancements,
if nothing else.

Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web:www.mkap.net 

On 8/27/2015 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Image result for The Dude

The Dude

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Mathew Howard
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:

But isn't that pretty much what they've been saying for the
last few years?

Maybe it's not dead, but it doesn't seem very alive either...
more of a zombie.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Mike Hammett
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

There's a rumor they're working on something now. Nothing
official that I'm aware of other than "The Dude isn't dead."



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



*From: *"Sam Lambie" mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:39:10 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] The Dude. Is it still being updated?


Is this app still being supported? Or is there something
better now?

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] The Dude. Is it still being updated?

[Cameron Crum]

The Dude abides, man, the Dude abides.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Rory McCann  wrote:

> I think there were some hints about possible CAPsMAN integration as well.
>
> What baffles me is there is definitely a ton of interest in the project
> and several people have said they'd have no problem paying. Seems like it
> would be a no-brainer to at least set aside SOME resources towards bug
> fixes and minor feature enhancements, if nothing else.
>
> Rory McCann
> MKAP Technology Solutions
> Web: www.mkap.net
>
> On 8/27/2015 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> [image: Image result for The Dude]
>
> The Dude
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> But isn't that pretty much what they've been saying for the last few
>> years?
>>
>> Maybe it's not dead, but it doesn't seem very alive either... more of a
>> zombie.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Mike Hammett < 
>> af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> There's a rumor they're working on something now. Nothing official that
>>> I'm aware of other than "The Dude isn't dead."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Sam Lambie" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:39:10 PM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] The Dude. Is it still being updated?
>>>
>>>
>>> Is this app still being supported? Or is there something better now?
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [FOR SALE] Mimosa B5c

[Josh Baird]

Well that was supposed to be off list :)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Put up your UPS account number :P
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Aug 28, 2015 9:45 AM, "Josh Baird"  wrote:
>> Sold if you can ship to Kentucky.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 28, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Andy Trimmell  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Full link, never deployed, never tested outside, bench tested $900 
>>> w/shipping, pickup in Mooresville, Indiana if you're close.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I'll throw in the N pigtails too.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Andy Trimmell
>>> 
>>> Systems Engineer
>>> 
>>> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
>>> 
>>> Mooresville, IN 46158
>>> 
>>> 317-831-3000 ext 211
>>> 
>>> www.pdsconnect.me

Re: [AFMUG] The Dude. Is it still being updated?

[Rory McCann]

I think there were some hints about possible CAPsMAN integration as well.

What baffles me is there is definitely a ton of interest in the project 
and several people have said they'd have no problem paying. Seems like 
it would be a no-brainer to at least set aside SOME resources towards 
bug fixes and minor feature enhancements, if nothing else.


Rory McCann
MKAP Technology Solutions
Web: www.mkap.net

On 8/27/2015 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Image result for The Dude

The Dude

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Mathew Howard > wrote:


But isn't that pretty much what they've been saying for the last
few years?

Maybe it's not dead, but it doesn't seem very alive either... more
of a zombie.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

There's a rumor they're working on something now. Nothing
official that I'm aware of other than "The Dude isn't dead."



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *"Sam Lambie" mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Thursday, August 27, 2015 4:39:10 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] The Dude. Is it still being updated?


Is this app still being supported? Or is there something
better now?

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] [FOR SALE] Mimosa B5c

[Josh Luthman]

Put up your UPS account number :P

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 28, 2015 9:45 AM, "Josh Baird"  wrote:

> Sold if you can ship to Kentucky.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 28, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
> Full link, never deployed, never tested outside, bench tested $900
> w/shipping, pickup in Mooresville, Indiana if you're close.
>
>
>
> I'll throw in the N pigtails too.
>
>
>
> Andy Trimmell
>
> Systems Engineer
>
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
>
> Mooresville, IN 46158
>
> 317-831-3000 ext 211
>
> www.pdsconnect.me
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [FOR SALE] Mimosa B5c

[Josh Baird]

Sold if you can ship to Kentucky.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2015, at 8:54 AM, Andy Trimmell  wrote:
> 
> Full link, never deployed, never tested outside, bench tested $900 
> w/shipping, pickup in Mooresville, Indiana if you're close.
>  
> I'll throw in the N pigtails too.
>  
> Andy Trimmell
> Systems Engineer
> Precision Data Solutions, LLC
> Mooresville, IN 46158
> 317-831-3000 ext 211
> www.pdsconnect.me
>  

Re: [AFMUG] 48v syncInjector

[Josh Baird]

Wasn't Forrest saying that you could power the 450i off of this injector if you 
feed it 48v?  Although the picture does say 30v max, so maybe I'm thinking of 
something else?

> On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> http://store.packetflux.com/gigabit-syncinjector-for-24-volt-cambium-radios/
> 
> Is there a 48v variant of this in the works? It would be handier than the 
> standard PoE injector when all of the voltages\polarities are the same.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com

[AFMUG] SYNCPIPE DELUXE - works with 320APs ??

[Paul McCall]

Does the SYNCPIPE DELUXE work to provide sync with 320APs?  Any issues?

On the website, it says specifically that the parasitic model works with 320s, 
but does not specifically say what the SYNCPIPE DELUXE  will work with.

The answer is most likely yes, but I don't want to assume.

Paul, PDMNet

[AFMUG] 48v syncInjector

[Mike Hammett]

http://store.packetflux.com/gigabit-syncinjector-for-24-volt-cambium-radios/ 

Is there a 48v variant of this in the works? It would be handier than the 
standard PoE injector when all of the voltages\polarities are the same. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

[AFMUG] [FOR SALE] Mimosa B5c

[Andy Trimmell]

Full link, never deployed, never tested outside, bench tested $900
w/shipping, pickup in Mooresville, Indiana if you're close.

 

I'll throw in the N pigtails too.

 

Andy Trimmell

Systems Engineer

Precision Data Solutions, LLC

Mooresville, IN 46158

317-831-3000 ext 211

www.pdsconnect.me

 

Re: [AFMUG] For sale Friday: 2.4 ePMP connectorized + IT Elite panels

[Josh Luthman]

Picture just has the model number and says ePMP ready.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 28, 2015 1:03 AM, "Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)" 
wrote:

> We need a bigger higher resolution picture :-P
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, 28 August 2015 2:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org; Principal WISPA Member List
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] For sale Friday: 2.4 ePMP connectorized + IT Elite
> panels
>
>
>
> New in box!
>
> I have 15x sra24016dual panels/enclosures as well as jumpers and 15x ePMP
> radios to go with them.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] Riddle me this Batman

[Lewis Bergman]

Man I miss those things. They used to be all over the place when I was a
kid.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015, 3:11 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> My alter ego.  Watch out ladies
> On Aug 27, 2015 2:08 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Sprint
>>
> On Aug 27, 2015 10:59 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
> Sprint's 2.5 GHz is B41, though it looks like B7 is in that same frequency
>>> space. Who's your carrier?
>>>
>>> Sprint's bands are B25 (1900), B26 (850) and B41 (2500).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 27, 2015 10:23:21 AM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Riddle me this Batman
>>>
>>> As we drove into Amarillo from Borger yesterday afternoon I was using my
>>> LTE app to check my signal.  I needed to upload some readings.   It told me
>>> I was connected in some band 7 or something like that in the 2490 to
>>> 2695Mhz range off a Sprint tower.  Normally my LTE is in the 1.9Ghz
>>> band.I didn't know that band was in us for LTE
>>>
>>>