Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time

[Jaime Solorza]

According to police it was a grenade buried under sidewalk...
On Mar 8, 2016 9:40 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> My half sisters brother is one of those lunatics, he's a PETA member if
> that tells you anything, we know for sure he possesses at least one actual
> claymore, needless to say, he's batshit crazy, he will be in the newspapers
> someday, hopefully it's due to something like this where he's died and his
> toys are found and safely disposed of.
> On Mar 8, 2016 7:27 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>
>> of course but what can I do
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Do they know that is the least interesting thing to happen to you this
>>> week?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016, 6:37 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Ha. Tv folks interviewed me
 On Mar 8, 2016 5:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> On Mar 8, 2016 5:01 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Guy kneeling down is tech
>> On Mar 8, 2016 4:54 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Two bomb squad techs approached house and checked it out...they had
>>> some tools and did something to device but I couldn't make it out.   
>>> They
>>> went back to car down the street.
>>> On Mar 8, 2016 4:32 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
 Made me think of the TV show Shameless.  Carl burying surplus land
 mines in the front yard...

 *From:* Jaime Solorza 
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:26 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time

 a young crazy guys lived there about 10 years ago but family kicked
 him outnow it an elderly lady and nursethey have been gone for 
 a
 month while house is re-done

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390

 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
 wrote:

> I bet it's one of those novelty paperweight grenades or one that's
> been drilled open on the bottom and emptied...  Lots of ex-military 
> guys
> have them.
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Military-Surplus-Dummy-Hand-grenade/dp/B000UVQEUO
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So a home three houses away from ours is under total re-modeling
>> and today the workers found a grenade!!   Street closed ...the 
>> neighbors
>> right next to it evacuated as we wait for bomb squad...hope no one 
>> gets
>> hurt.
>> This is usually a quiet neighborhood except for dummy dogs...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>
>


>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[George Skorup]

I believe the max spec for the Lumina HP is about 55 watts. Slightly 
more than an AF24 at 50 watts (@ 50V). Maybe 56V would bring the current 
down a little. Forrest did say 1A max per port, which would be right on 
the edge for the AF24. So there has to be a little wiggle room in there. 
Hopefully.


On 3/8/2016 10:41 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:


Tell me too

On Mar 8, 2016 7:35 PM, "Matt" > wrote:


Do your gigabit injectors work with SAF Lumina?


On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> wrote:

Yep, pretty much anything you mentioned. Anything which will
work with a passive power injector.   Notable exceptions:
 Cambium 320/430 radios (oddly pinned power not compatible
with a true gigabit radio), and other radios which try to do
everything across the eight pairs and end up breaking
compatibility as a result - for instance some of the high end
microwave radios which don't do true PoE but instead rely on
their own special injector which does everything under the sun.

ETA:  Depends on how many projects we can juggle at once.  
The next 30 days or so are consumed with Wispamerica and

trying to get the new 4 port injector released to production.
  After that happens, we're going to try to simultaneously
work on both this project and the 12 port version of the 'din
mountable' injector.   Assuming that works well, we're looking
at probably around 90 days (from now) for both the 12 port and
the rackmount unit. But, this all can slip if we need to spin
a board.



On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Matt
> wrote:

I vote 18 port.  Make sure it supports PMP100, PMP450,
PMP450i, ePMP, Mimosa and others.  I assume gigabit?
Really like idea of being able to replace in 6 port chunks
too.

ETA?  Really liking this product.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List
Account) > wrote:

Well, it looks like it might actually be finally
happening.

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure
manufacturer which we can work with. Domestic. Product
looks decent.  Price is right.

Which means it's time to nail down a few details here,
such as number of ports, so I can get some enclosures
cut and boards made and hopefully get this elephant
out of the room

 So I need some input:

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a
18 port rackmount power injector.  Voltage and pinning
jumper selectable per port. Per-port control of power
and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other
things built in, but I'm still nailing those details
down (a lot of it comes down to space on the front
panel of the enclosure).

PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get
the design completed I won't know what I can sell this
for - as many of  you know I try to price things at a
fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.

The main questions I have for the list are:

Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking
like about the most I can fit based on front panel
dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports
(if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd
replace 6 at a time).

Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much
any smaller quantities of ports which are divisible by
4 or 6.

I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18
port version for $800 is the only version of this I
should make or carry, or does it make sense to sell
(as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of
or in addition to this?



-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road,
Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com 

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

The standard packetflux daisy chain capability is a must. Let us add
existing joints to the assembly brother. And also that blank mount for the
guts of the r port existing, and the packetflux screwdiverz, and popcorn,
and a pony that poops out unicorns
On Mar 8, 2016 5:44 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> What we have at most sites is a SiteMonitor Base and an injector or two of
> some time. A couple old 4 ports, an 8 port, or a 4 port + SyncInjector,
> etc. So a "couple" expansion modules is probably enough in most cases. A
> few newer sites have the 5ch PDUs + 2 relay / 3 switch. One site has the
> temperature controller module.
>
> So, on the rack mount unit, if you could give me an expansion bus to add
> the 2-relay / 3 switch module to monitor the DC UPS, or to add the temp
> control module, etc, that would be awesome. Another idea is a third voltage
> input for watching utility power with a dumb little power supply. It
> wouldn't need to power anything, just monitoring only.
>
> The other thing is shunts. I have some sites with shunts on the DC UPS
> battery negative side so that when I get a utility outage alarm, I can
> confirm that the site is running on battery. I've had numerous situations
> where I get a utility restore alarm, but we're still on battery, because
> the utility voltage is still <100VAC. That's so annoying, but at least with
> the shunts I know what's going on.
>
> On 3/8/2016 3:02 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Oh, I don't think I finished replying to this one... if it's a dup, just
> ignore this reply or the other one...
>
> My intent is to build this with a standalone web interface and a SNMP MIB
> which is designed for this device.   This should enable a bit easier
> management.   I may consider adding an expansion bus output for those of
> you who want to add on a module or two, but I haven't decided about this
> yet.
>
> I think the others I've pretty much answered, and for those I have I
> haven't, your thinking is pretty much identical to mine.
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> I could go either way. 4x4 for 16 or 6x3 for 18. More ports is always
>> cool. I guess whatever makes the most sense to you would be fine with me.
>>
>> This really comes down to being able to power just about anything
>> imaginable... except for Trango's crazy licensed POE scheme, power
>> consumption and -48. Which is fine, I'll do something else for those.
>>
>> I can make use of the 12-port DIN mount at many sites. And this rack
>> mount for the bigger sites is icing on the cake. This will let me get rid
>> of all the fuses and really simplify the wiring. So I'm in.
>>
>> Are you planning for this to be a SiteMonitor + SyncInjector in the same
>> chassis all integrated? An expansion bus would definitely be needed. Unless
>> you're designing this more like the stand-alone generator controller?
>>
>> On 3/8/2016 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>
>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
>> can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>>
>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
>> this elephant out of the room
>>
>>  So I need some input:
>>
>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
>> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
>> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>>
>> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
>> I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price
>> things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>
>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>
>> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
>> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
>> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
>> time).
>>
>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>
>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
>> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
>> addition to this?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Tell me too
On Mar 8, 2016 7:35 PM, "Matt"  wrote:

> Do your gigabit injectors work with SAF Lumina?
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Yep, pretty much anything you mentioned.  Anything which will work with a
>> passive power injector.   Notable exceptions:  Cambium 320/430 radios
>> (oddly pinned power not compatible with a true gigabit radio), and other
>> radios which try to do everything across the eight pairs and end up
>> breaking compatibility as a result - for instance some of the high end
>> microwave radios which don't do true PoE but instead rely on their own
>> special injector which does everything under the sun.
>>
>> ETA:  Depends on how many projects we can juggle at once.   The next 30
>> days or so are consumed with Wispamerica and trying to get the new 4 port
>> injector released to production.   After that happens, we're going to try
>> to simultaneously work on both this project and the 12 port version of the
>> 'din mountable' injector.   Assuming that works well, we're looking at
>> probably around 90 days (from now) for both the 12 port and the rackmount
>> unit.  But, this all can slip if we need to spin a board.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>
>>> I vote 18 port.  Make sure it supports PMP100, PMP450, PMP450i, ePMP,
>>> Mimosa and others.  I assume gigabit?  Really like idea of being able to
>>> replace in 6 port chunks too.
>>>
>>> ETA?  Really liking this product.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

 We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which
 we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.

 Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number
 of ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully
 get this elephant out of the room

  So I need some input:

 The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
 power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
 control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
 built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
 to space on the front panel of the enclosure).

 PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design
 completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I
 try to price things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will 
 bear.

 The main questions I have for the list are:

 Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most
 I can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of
 6 ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
 time).

 Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
 quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.

 I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
 $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
 sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
 addition to this?



 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
 
   


>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

My half sisters brother is one of those lunatics, he's a PETA member if
that tells you anything, we know for sure he possesses at least one actual
claymore, needless to say, he's batshit crazy, he will be in the newspapers
someday, hopefully it's due to something like this where he's died and his
toys are found and safely disposed of.
On Mar 8, 2016 7:27 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> of course but what can I do
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> Do they know that is the least interesting thing to happen to you this
>> week?
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016, 6:37 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ha. Tv folks interviewed me
>>> On Mar 8, 2016 5:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Mar 8, 2016 5:01 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> Guy kneeling down is tech
> On Mar 8, 2016 4:54 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Two bomb squad techs approached house and checked it out...they had
>> some tools and did something to device but I couldn't make it out.   They
>> went back to car down the street.
>> On Mar 8, 2016 4:32 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> Made me think of the TV show Shameless.  Carl burying surplus land
>>> mines in the front yard...
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:26 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time
>>>
>>> a young crazy guys lived there about 10 years ago but family kicked
>>> him outnow it an elderly lady and nursethey have been gone for a
>>> month while house is re-done
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I bet it's one of those novelty paperweight grenades or one that's
 been drilled open on the bottom and emptied...  Lots of ex-military 
 guys
 have them.


 http://www.amazon.com/Military-Surplus-Dummy-Hand-grenade/dp/B000UVQEUO

 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So a home three houses away from ours is under total re-modeling
> and today the workers found a grenade!!   Street closed ...the 
> neighbors
> right next to it evacuated as we wait for bomb squad...hope no one 
> gets
> hurt.
> This is usually a quiet neighborhood except for dummy dogs...
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>


>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Forest,

Rack mount is preferable in my mind since we use a rack at just about every 
site. Even the most remote sites get a box with a rack inside. That said a half 
size / half price unit would be preferable at our smaller sites over a din 
unit. We would use the larger units at main sites and the smaller units at the 
rest. I could see pulling out the older sync injectors that are daisy chained 
together at all the sites and standardizing on rack mount units. Especially if 
you are going to have a web interface to the monitoring. 

 

 

Best regards,

Brandon Yuchasz

GogebicRange.net

www.gogebicrange.net  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 7:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

 

Do your gigabit injectors work with SAF Lumina?

 

 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

Yep, pretty much anything you mentioned.  Anything which will work with a 
passive power injector.   Notable exceptions:  Cambium 320/430 radios (oddly 
pinned power not compatible with a true gigabit radio), and other radios which 
try to do everything across the eight pairs and end up breaking compatibility 
as a result - for instance some of the high end microwave radios which don't do 
true PoE but instead rely on their own special injector which does everything 
under the sun.

 

ETA:  Depends on how many projects we can juggle at once.   The next 30 days or 
so are consumed with Wispamerica and trying to get the new 4 port injector 
released to production.   After that happens, we're going to try to 
simultaneously work on both this project and the 12 port version of the 'din 
mountable' injector.   Assuming that works well, we're looking at probably 
around 90 days (from now) for both the 12 port and the rackmount unit.  But, 
this all can slip if we need to spin a board.

 

 

 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Matt  wrote:

I vote 18 port.  Make sure it supports PMP100, PMP450, PMP450i, ePMP, Mimosa 
and others.  I assume gigabit?  Really like idea of being able to replace in 6 
port chunks too.

 

ETA?  Really liking this product.

 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening. 

 

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we can 
work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.

 

Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of ports, 
so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this 
elephant out of the room  

 

 So I need some input:

 

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount power 
injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port control of 
power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things built in, but 
I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on the 
front panel of the enclosure).

 

PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed I 
won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price 
things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.

 

The main questions I have for the list are:

 

Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I can 
fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports 
(if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).   

 

Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller quantities of 
ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.   

 

I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for $800 is 
the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to sell 
(as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to this?   

 




 

-- 


Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

  forre...@imach.com |   
http://www.packetflux.com

       
 

     

   

 

 





 

-- 


Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

  forre...@imach.com |   
http://www.packetflux.com

    

Re: [AFMUG] Here's an idea... a POE+ powered power injector..

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/8/16 5:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:

Get away from ethernet, all the carriers are.



And go to... token ring? ATM?

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Here's an idea... a POE+ powered power injector..

[Eric Kuhnke]

you mean copper ethernet, or ethernet in general?  because, uhm, every
serious radio these days is pure-ethernet and SFP based.

standard deployment nowadays is a 1310nm LX SFP to the radio.  Soon to be
10GbE SFP+ with new radios in a year or two.



On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> Get away from ethernet, all the carriers are.  The new UBNT tower box is
> pretty cool.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> Like the Netonix Mini?
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Peter Kranz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So all this talk of power injectors lately brought this idea to mind..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What about a tower mounted box, that could be powered by 48V 60W POE+
>>>
>>> It would provide 4 switchable outputs of 24V Cambium or UBNT output.
>>> Allowing you to overload a single ethernet cable up your tower with 4
>>> access points.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps an interesting accessory to these various power injector
>>> options..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: http://www.microsemi.com/images/untitled-1549-EditSmall.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>>> Mobile: 510-207-
>>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450 14.1.2 build 4

[Sean Heskett]

Awesome Matt!  Glad to hear y'all are making progress :)

-Sean

On Monday, March 7, 2016, Matt Mangriotis <
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:

> Aaron hasn’t jumped on this one yet… so let me.
>
>
>
> We’ll have a new open beta build of 14.1.2 out late this week (Friday).
> We have high confidence that this will eliminate the watchdog.
>
>
>
> Among other things, it rolls in ALL of the 13.4.1 benefits and fixes
> (including the RADIUS issue you mention) and opens up 5.2 and 5.4 GHz bands
> for 450i.
>
>
>
> You will certainly want to try this one.
>
>
>
> There is also a chance that shortly after, we’ll have a beta of R14.2,
> which will have 30 MHz channel bandwidths for 450/450i and enable the AUX
> port on 450i.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Sean
> Heskett
> *Sent:* Monday, March 07, 2016 3:17 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 14.1.2 build 4
>
>
>
> 13.2.1 is in my opinion the latest and stable release for the PMP450 &
> PMP430.  13.4 has some radius and watchdog reset issues (amongst others)
>
>
>
> -sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI) <
> t...@franklinisp.net >
> wrote:
>
> 14.1.2 is buggy.  13.4 seems stable
>
>
>
>
>
> *Tyson Burris, President  Internet Communications Inc.  739 Commerce Dr.
> Franklin, IN 46131   *
> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
> *Online: www.surfici.net *
>
>
>
> Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!
>
>
> On Mar 7, 2016, at 3:55 PM, George Skorup  > wrote:
>
> I have 13.4.1 for FSK loaded on a couple sites now. Seems to be good so
> far. I wonder how hard it would be to get us 13.4.1 for the regular 450,
> with the AP FPGA image that fixes the crazy issues. C'mon Cambium I can
> dream, right?
>
> On 3/7/2016 1:49 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> i'm too scared after the 14.1.1 fiasco we went through.
>
>
>
> let me know how it goes lol...I might upgrade a couple months after 14.1.2
> is out in the wild but i'm too gun shy now.
>
>
>
> -sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI)
> >
> wrote:
>
> Testing the following firmware.  We see on three sites using 10Mhz
> channels the sms are registering.  No issues on 13.4 or 20Mhz channels.
> Anyone else see this ?
>
>
>
>
>
> *Tyson Burris, President  Internet Communications Inc.  739 Commerce Dr.
> Franklin, IN 46131   *
> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
> *Online: www.surfici.net *
>
>
>
> Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OpenFlow and SDN

[Trey Scarborough]

I have tested it in a lab environment and used several different 
controllers. I agree it seems to be great for a data center and possible 
as a Metro switching environment. I have been trying it agains other 
carrier mpls/mef hardware. It really can't match the switching times and 
resiliency that current hardware and standard deployment. The main 
problem becomes the latency between the controller and the device. They 
have some tricks to make fast fail over sub 50ms switches operate as 
efficiently as the current offerings of most vendors mpls. Give it a few 
years though and I am sure that it will be a new story. The management 
and human error elimination will be worth it for most carriers.



On 3/8/2016 6:52 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

I’m hearing the opposite, great in the core, not as necessary on fringes.

I’ve got friends migrating core data center switches and routers to
OpenFlow.

So the hardware concentrates on the actual packet flows only (Data
layer) and let’s a controller define the complicated stuff across
multiple devices.

I’m thinking it could be useful for fiber providers running multiple
network segments selling capacity with less complication and hard coding.

I’m already spanning my small fiber network with several services and
tunnels for other providers.

Static entry tables for loopbacks and VPLS paths are becoming cumbersome
already.

Maybe this stuff will help a bit with that?

Not sure.

Maybe it’s still too fringe.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 8, 2016 5:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OpenFlow and SDN

 From what I've read it is better for places where you need to manage
flows and not so much in the core, mainly due to whatever is hardware
accelerated.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Sterling Jacobson" >
*To: *"af@afmug.com " >
*Sent: *Tuesday, March 8, 2016 6:28:47 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OpenFlow and SDN

Anyone implemented OpenFlow in anything?

What are the advantages to an ISP?

I just bought a switch with OpenFlow capabilities to play with.

Not sure what I'm doing, lol!

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[Matt]

Do your gigabit injectors work with SAF Lumina?


On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:03 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Yep, pretty much anything you mentioned.  Anything which will work with a
> passive power injector.   Notable exceptions:  Cambium 320/430 radios
> (oddly pinned power not compatible with a true gigabit radio), and other
> radios which try to do everything across the eight pairs and end up
> breaking compatibility as a result - for instance some of the high end
> microwave radios which don't do true PoE but instead rely on their own
> special injector which does everything under the sun.
>
> ETA:  Depends on how many projects we can juggle at once.   The next 30
> days or so are consumed with Wispamerica and trying to get the new 4 port
> injector released to production.   After that happens, we're going to try
> to simultaneously work on both this project and the 12 port version of the
> 'din mountable' injector.   Assuming that works well, we're looking at
> probably around 90 days (from now) for both the 12 port and the rackmount
> unit.  But, this all can slip if we need to spin a board.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Matt  wrote:
>
>> I vote 18 port.  Make sure it supports PMP100, PMP450, PMP450i, ePMP,
>> Mimosa and others.  I assume gigabit?  Really like idea of being able to
>> replace in 6 port chunks too.
>>
>> ETA?  Really liking this product.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>>
>>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which
>>> we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>>>
>>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>>> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
>>> this elephant out of the room
>>>
>>>  So I need some input:
>>>
>>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>>> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>>> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
>>> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
>>> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>>>
>>> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design
>>> completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I
>>> try to price things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>>
>>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>>
>>> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
>>> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
>>> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
>>> time).
>>>
>>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>>> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>>
>>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>>> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
>>> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
>>> addition to this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Here's an idea... a POE+ powered power injector..

[Chuck Hogg]

Sorry, it's called the Edge Point
https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgepoint/


Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> Get away from ethernet, all the carriers are.  The new UBNT tower box is
> pretty cool.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> Like the Netonix Mini?
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Peter Kranz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So all this talk of power injectors lately brought this idea to mind..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What about a tower mounted box, that could be powered by 48V 60W POE+
>>>
>>> It would provide 4 switchable outputs of 24V Cambium or UBNT output.
>>> Allowing you to overload a single ethernet cable up your tower with 4
>>> access points.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps an interesting accessory to these various power injector
>>> options..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: http://www.microsemi.com/images/untitled-1549-EditSmall.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>>> Mobile: 510-207-
>>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Here's an idea... a POE+ powered power injector..

[Chuck Hogg]

Get away from ethernet, all the carriers are.  The new UBNT tower box is
pretty cool.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> Like the Netonix Mini?
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Peter Kranz  wrote:
>
>> So all this talk of power injectors lately brought this idea to mind..
>>
>>
>>
>> What about a tower mounted box, that could be powered by 48V 60W POE+
>>
>> It would provide 4 switchable outputs of 24V Cambium or UBNT output.
>> Allowing you to overload a single ethernet cable up your tower with 4
>> access points.
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps an interesting accessory to these various power injector options..
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: http://www.microsemi.com/images/untitled-1549-EditSmall.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time

[Jaime Solorza]

of course but what can I do

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Do they know that is the least interesting thing to happen to you this
> week?
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016, 6:37 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Ha. Tv folks interviewed me
>> On Mar 8, 2016 5:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2016 5:01 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Guy kneeling down is tech
 On Mar 8, 2016 4:54 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> Two bomb squad techs approached house and checked it out...they had
> some tools and did something to device but I couldn't make it out.   They
> went back to car down the street.
> On Mar 8, 2016 4:32 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Made me think of the TV show Shameless.  Carl burying surplus land
>> mines in the front yard...
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:26 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time
>>
>> a young crazy guys lived there about 10 years ago but family kicked
>> him outnow it an elderly lady and nursethey have been gone for a
>> month while house is re-done
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I bet it's one of those novelty paperweight grenades or one that's
>>> been drilled open on the bottom and emptied...  Lots of ex-military guys
>>> have them.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Military-Surplus-Dummy-Hand-grenade/dp/B000UVQEUO
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 So a home three houses away from ours is under total re-modeling
 and today the workers found a grenade!!   Street closed ...the 
 neighbors
 right next to it evacuated as we wait for bomb squad...hope no one gets
 hurt.
 This is usually a quiet neighborhood except for dummy dogs...

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Here's an idea... a POE+ powered power injector..

[Jeremy]

Like the Netonix Mini?

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 6:24 PM, Peter Kranz  wrote:

> So all this talk of power injectors lately brought this idea to mind..
>
>
>
> What about a tower mounted box, that could be powered by 48V 60W POE+
>
> It would provide 4 switchable outputs of 24V Cambium or UBNT output.
> Allowing you to overload a single ethernet cable up your tower with 4
> access points.
>
>
>
> Perhaps an interesting accessory to these various power injector options..
>
>
>
> [image: http://www.microsemi.com/images/untitled-1549-EditSmall.jpg]
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time

[Lewis Bergman]

Do they know that is the least interesting thing to happen to you this week?

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016, 6:37 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Ha. Tv folks interviewed me
> On Mar 8, 2016 5:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>
>> On Mar 8, 2016 5:01 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Guy kneeling down is tech
>>> On Mar 8, 2016 4:54 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Two bomb squad techs approached house and checked it out...they had
 some tools and did something to device but I couldn't make it out.   They
 went back to car down the street.
 On Mar 8, 2016 4:32 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Made me think of the TV show Shameless.  Carl burying surplus land
> mines in the front yard...
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:26 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time
>
> a young crazy guys lived there about 10 years ago but family kicked
> him outnow it an elderly lady and nursethey have been gone for a
> month while house is re-done
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> I bet it's one of those novelty paperweight grenades or one that's
>> been drilled open on the bottom and emptied...  Lots of ex-military guys
>> have them.
>>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Military-Surplus-Dummy-Hand-grenade/dp/B000UVQEUO
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So a home three houses away from ours is under total re-modeling and
>>> today the workers found a grenade!!   Street closed ...the neighbors 
>>> right
>>> next to it evacuated as we wait for bomb squad...hope no one gets hurt.
>>> This is usually a quiet neighborhood except for dummy dogs...
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Here's an idea... a POE+ powered power injector..

[Peter Kranz]

So all this talk of power injectors lately brought this idea to mind..

 

What about a tower mounted box, that could be powered by 48V 60W POE+

It would provide 4 switchable outputs of 24V Cambium or UBNT output.
Allowing you to overload a single ethernet cable up your tower with 4 access
points.

 

Perhaps an interesting accessory to these various power injector options..

 



 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 

Re: [AFMUG] Spacing 450 - 320 -320

[Sean Heskett]

cambium has a 320 & 450 co-location guide.  I haven't read it because we
don't use 320 so i'm guessing here...I'd put the 320s in 7mhz channels
squished together at one end of the 30Mhz you have available and then put
the 450 in a 7Mhz channel as far to the other end of the 30Mhz you have.
That would give you a good guard band between them.

if you need them all on 10Mhz channels it might not work.  you might get
away with the 450 in a 10Mhz channel and the 320s in 7mhz channels.

Either way, you will need to get friendly with the frame calculator to make
it all sync correctly.

2 cents

-sean


On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) <
r...@latrobeit.com.au> wrote:

> Hello
>
>
>
> I need to stuff 2x 320AP’s and 1x 450AP into 30mhz.
>
>
>
> Is 1mhz going to be enough between the AP’s?
>
> Do they need any?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Rhys
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OpenFlow and SDN

[Mike Hammett]

I've been reading an O'Reilly book, "MPLS in an SDN era." I believe it was in 
there. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 6:52:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OpenFlow and SDN 



I’m hearing the opposite, great in the core, not as necessary on fringes. 

I’ve got friends migrating core data center switches and routers to OpenFlow. 

So the hardware concentrates on the actual packet flows only (Data layer) and 
let’s a controller define the complicated stuff across multiple devices. 

I’m thinking it could be useful for fiber providers running multiple network 
segments selling capacity with less complication and hard coding. 

I’m already spanning my small fiber network with several services and tunnels 
for other providers. 

Static entry tables for loopbacks and VPLS paths are becoming cumbersome 
already. 

Maybe this stuff will help a bit with that? 

Not sure. 

Maybe it’s still too fringe. 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 5:47 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OpenFlow and SDN 


>From what I've read it is better for places where you need to manage flows and 
>not so much in the core, mainly due to whatever is hardware accelerated. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "Sterling Jacobson" < sterl...@avative.net > 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 6:28:47 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OpenFlow and SDN 

Anyone implemented OpenFlow in anything? 

What are the advantages to an ISP? 

I just bought a switch with OpenFlow capabilities to play with. 

Not sure what I'm doing, lol! 

Re: [AFMUG] OpenFlow and SDN

[Sterling Jacobson]

I’m hearing the opposite, great in the core, not as necessary on fringes.

I’ve got friends migrating core data center switches and routers to OpenFlow.

So the hardware concentrates on the actual packet flows only (Data layer) and 
let’s a controller define the complicated stuff across multiple devices.

I’m thinking it could be useful for fiber providers running multiple network 
segments selling capacity with less complication and hard coding.

I’m already spanning my small fiber network with several services and tunnels 
for other providers.

Static entry tables for loopbacks and VPLS paths are becoming cumbersome 
already.

Maybe this stuff will help a bit with that?

Not sure.

Maybe it’s still too fringe.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 5:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OpenFlow and SDN

From what I've read it is better for places where you need to manage flows and 
not so much in the core, mainly due to whatever is hardware accelerated.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Sterling Jacobson" >
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 6:28:47 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OpenFlow and SDN

Anyone implemented OpenFlow in anything?

What are the advantages to an ISP?

I just bought a switch with OpenFlow capabilities to play with.

Not sure what I'm doing, lol!

Re: [AFMUG] OpenFlow and SDN

[Mike Hammett]

>From what I've read it is better for places where you need to manage flows and 
>not so much in the core, mainly due to whatever is hardware accelerated. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson"  
To: "af@afmug.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 6:28:47 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OpenFlow and SDN 

Anyone implemented OpenFlow in anything? 

What are the advantages to an ISP? 

I just bought a switch with OpenFlow capabilities to play with. 

Not sure what I'm doing, lol! 

[AFMUG] Spacing 450 - 320 -320

[Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)]

Hello

 

I need to stuff 2x 320AP's and 1x 450AP into 30mhz.

 

Is 1mhz going to be enough between the AP's?

Do they need any?

 

Thanks

 

Rhys

 

Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time

[Jaime Solorza]

Ha. Tv folks interviewed me
On Mar 8, 2016 5:03 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> On Mar 8, 2016 5:01 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>
>> Guy kneeling down is tech
>> On Mar 8, 2016 4:54 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Two bomb squad techs approached house and checked it out...they had some
>>> tools and did something to device but I couldn't make it out.   They went
>>> back to car down the street.
>>> On Mar 8, 2016 4:32 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
 Made me think of the TV show Shameless.  Carl burying surplus land
 mines in the front yard...

 *From:* Jaime Solorza 
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:26 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time

 a young crazy guys lived there about 10 years ago but family kicked him
 outnow it an elderly lady and nursethey have been gone for a month
 while house is re-done

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390

 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
 wrote:

> I bet it's one of those novelty paperweight grenades or one that's
> been drilled open on the bottom and emptied...  Lots of ex-military guys
> have them.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Military-Surplus-Dummy-Hand-grenade/dp/B000UVQEUO
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So a home three houses away from ours is under total re-modeling and
>> today the workers found a grenade!!   Street closed ...the neighbors 
>> right
>> next to it evacuated as we wait for bomb squad...hope no one gets hurt.
>> This is usually a quiet neighborhood except for dummy dogs...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>
>


>>>

[AFMUG] OpenFlow and SDN

[Sterling Jacobson]

Anyone implemented OpenFlow in anything?

What are the advantages to an ISP?

I just bought a switch with OpenFlow capabilities to play with.

Not sure what I'm doing, lol!

Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

[Ken Hohhof]

I love these people who think their toys don’t use the Internet while they’re 
sleeping.  Have they not seen “Toy Story” or “Night at the Museum”?  Your toys 
all come alive and use the Internet while you’re sleeping.

And from what I’ve seen, you really really want Xbox updates to happen while 
you’re sleeping.  I don’t know if it’s only via certain CDNs, but I’ve seen 
Xbox updates oversaturate a customer’s link and make it unusable for anything 
else, even simple web browsing and email.


From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

not just system updates, a single game like fallout 4 can be a 25 to 30GB 
download.


On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  so we installed a customer yesterday. hes complaining its not possible that 
he used 20gb overnight since he was asleep 

  the tech said his xbox one wanted to update and he stopped it, hes saying he 
did update it and it was only a 500mb update

  he had a consistent 12mb download from around 1130pm to 3 am and again from 8 
am to 9am this morning

  I verified wireless and ethernet counters on his SM (bridge mode) and the AP, 
as well as powercode accounting, they all match up

  reading about xbox one, it is defaultly in instant on mode outside the EU, in 
that mode all the games on the system update at night, as best i can tell from 
reading the update time is randomized somewhere give or take some hours around 
2AM redmond time.

  Given the massive size of xbox one updates and his not having had internet 
since he moved here, it seems to me 20gb is not alot, and it would be inline 
during that timeframe that it was xbox games (not the system) updating as it is 
designed

  am i understanding this xbox one updates system correctly?


  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 450 14.1.2 build 4

[Craig Schmaderer]

30mhz channels hellz yeah

Craig schmaderer
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 8:06 PM -0800, "Matt Mangriotis" 
>
 wrote:

Aaron hasn't jumped on this one yet... so let me.

We'll have a new open beta build of 14.1.2 out late this week (Friday).  We 
have high confidence that this will eliminate the watchdog.

Among other things, it rolls in ALL of the 13.4.1 benefits and fixes (including 
the RADIUS issue you mention) and opens up 5.2 and 5.4 GHz bands for 450i.

You will certainly want to try this one.

There is also a chance that shortly after, we'll have a beta of R14.2, which 
will have 30 MHz channel bandwidths for 450/450i and enable the AUX port on 
450i.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 3:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 14.1.2 build 4

13.2.1 is in my opinion the latest and stable release for the PMP450 & PMP430.  
13.4 has some radius and watchdog reset issues (amongst others)

-sean


On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 
> wrote:
14.1.2 is buggy.  13.4 seems stable
Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131

317-738-0320 Daytime #
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #
Online: www.surfici.net

Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!

On Mar 7, 2016, at 3:55 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
I have 13.4.1 for FSK loaded on a couple sites now. Seems to be good so far. I 
wonder how hard it would be to get us 13.4.1 for the regular 450, with the AP 
FPGA image that fixes the crazy issues. C'mon Cambium I can dream, right?
On 3/7/2016 1:49 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
i'm too scared after the 14.1.1 fiasco we went through.

let me know how it goes lol...I might upgrade a couple months after 14.1.2 is 
out in the wild but i'm too gun shy now.

-sean


On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI) 
> wrote:
Testing the following firmware.  We see on three sites using 10Mhz channels the 
sms are registering.  No issues on 13.4 or 20Mhz channels.  Anyone else see 
this ?
Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.
Franklin, IN 46131

317-738-0320 Daytime #
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #
Online: www.surfici.net

Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!

Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time

[Jaime Solorza]

Guy kneeling down is tech
On Mar 8, 2016 4:54 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Two bomb squad techs approached house and checked it out...they had some
> tools and did something to device but I couldn't make it out.   They went
> back to car down the street.
> On Mar 8, 2016 4:32 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Made me think of the TV show Shameless.  Carl burying surplus land mines
>> in the front yard...
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:26 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time
>>
>> a young crazy guys lived there about 10 years ago but family kicked him
>> outnow it an elderly lady and nursethey have been gone for a month
>> while house is re-done
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I bet it's one of those novelty paperweight grenades or one that's been
>>> drilled open on the bottom and emptied...  Lots of ex-military guys have
>>> them.
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Military-Surplus-Dummy-Hand-grenade/dp/B000UVQEUO
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Jaime Solorza >> > wrote:
>>>
 So a home three houses away from ours is under total re-modeling and
 today the workers found a grenade!!   Street closed ...the neighbors right
 next to it evacuated as we wait for bomb squad...hope no one gets hurt.
 This is usually a quiet neighborhood except for dummy dogs...

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time

[Jaime Solorza]

Two bomb squad techs approached house and checked it out...they had some
tools and did something to device but I couldn't make it out.   They went
back to car down the street.
On Mar 8, 2016 4:32 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Made me think of the TV show Shameless.  Carl burying surplus land mines
> in the front yard...
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:26 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time
>
> a young crazy guys lived there about 10 years ago but family kicked him
> outnow it an elderly lady and nursethey have been gone for a month
> while house is re-done
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> I bet it's one of those novelty paperweight grenades or one that's been
>> drilled open on the bottom and emptied...  Lots of ex-military guys have
>> them.
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Military-Surplus-Dummy-Hand-grenade/dp/B000UVQEUO
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So a home three houses away from ours is under total re-modeling and
>>> today the workers found a grenade!!   Street closed ...the neighbors right
>>> next to it evacuated as we wait for bomb squad...hope no one gets hurt.
>>> This is usually a quiet neighborhood except for dummy dogs...
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[George Skorup]

What we have at most sites is a SiteMonitor Base and an injector or two 
of some time. A couple old 4 ports, an 8 port, or a 4 port + 
SyncInjector, etc. So a "couple" expansion modules is probably enough in 
most cases. A few newer sites have the 5ch PDUs + 2 relay / 3 switch. 
One site has the temperature controller module.


So, on the rack mount unit, if you could give me an expansion bus to add 
the 2-relay / 3 switch module to monitor the DC UPS, or to add the temp 
control module, etc, that would be awesome. Another idea is a third 
voltage input for watching utility power with a dumb little power 
supply. It wouldn't need to power anything, just monitoring only.


The other thing is shunts. I have some sites with shunts on the DC UPS 
battery negative side so that when I get a utility outage alarm, I can 
confirm that the site is running on battery. I've had numerous 
situations where I get a utility restore alarm, but we're still on 
battery, because the utility voltage is still <100VAC. That's so 
annoying, but at least with the shunts I know what's going on.


On 3/8/2016 3:02 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
Oh, I don't think I finished replying to this one... if it's a dup, 
just ignore this reply or the other one...


My intent is to build this with a standalone web interface and a SNMP 
MIB which is designed for this device.   This should enable a bit 
easier management.   I may consider adding an expansion bus output for 
those of you who want to add on a module or two, but I haven't decided 
about this yet.


I think the others I've pretty much answered, and for those I have I 
haven't, your thinking is pretty much identical to mine.


On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:23 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


I could go either way. 4x4 for 16 or 6x3 for 18. More ports is
always cool. I guess whatever makes the most sense to you would be
fine with me.

This really comes down to being able to power just about anything
imaginable... except for Trango's crazy licensed POE scheme, power
consumption and -48. Which is fine, I'll do something else for those.

I can make use of the 12-port DIN mount at many sites. And this
rack mount for the bigger sites is icing on the cake. This will
let me get rid of all the fuses and really simplify the wiring. So
I'm in.

Are you planning for this to be a SiteMonitor + SyncInjector in
the same chassis all integrated? An expansion bus would definitely
be needed. Unless you're designing this more like the stand-alone
generator controller?

On 3/8/2016 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer
which we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price
is right.

Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as
number of ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made
and hopefully get this elephant out of the room

 So I need some input:

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port
rackmount power injector. Voltage and pinning jumper selectable
per port. Per-port control of power and sync. Probably some
redundant power and other things built in, but I'm still nailing
those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on the front
panel of the enclosure).

PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design
completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you
know I try to price things at a fair price as opposed to what the
market will bear.

The main questions I have for the list are:

Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the
most I can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds
to 3 blocks of 6 ports (if you lose a port and need to replace
it, you'd replace 6 at a time).

Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.

I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port
version for $800 is the only version of this I should make or
carry, or does it make sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port
version for $400 instead of or in addition to this?



-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com

 







--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time

[Chuck McCown]

Made me think of the TV show Shameless.  Carl burying surplus land mines in the 
front yard...

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 4:26 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time

a young crazy guys lived there about 10 years ago but family kicked him 
outnow it an elderly lady and nursethey have been gone for a month 
while house is re-done

Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

  I bet it's one of those novelty paperweight grenades or one that's been 
drilled open on the bottom and emptied...  Lots of ex-military guys have them.

  http://www.amazon.com/Military-Surplus-Dummy-Hand-grenade/dp/B000UVQEUO


  On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

So a home three houses away from ours is under total re-modeling and today 
the workers found a grenade!!   Street closed ...the neighbors right next to it 
evacuated as we wait for bomb squad...hope no one gets hurt. 
This is usually a quiet neighborhood except for dummy dogs...


Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time

[Jaime Solorza]

a young crazy guys lived there about 10 years ago but family kicked him
outnow it an elderly lady and nursethey have been gone for a month
while house is re-done

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> I bet it's one of those novelty paperweight grenades or one that's been
> drilled open on the bottom and emptied...  Lots of ex-military guys have
> them.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Military-Surplus-Dummy-Hand-grenade/dp/B000UVQEUO
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> So a home three houses away from ours is under total re-modeling and
>> today the workers found a grenade!!   Street closed ...the neighbors right
>> next to it evacuated as we wait for bomb squad...hope no one gets hurt.
>> This is usually a quiet neighborhood except for dummy dogs...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time

[Eric Kuhnke]

I bet it's one of those novelty paperweight grenades or one that's been
drilled open on the bottom and emptied...  Lots of ex-military guys have
them.

http://www.amazon.com/Military-Surplus-Dummy-Hand-grenade/dp/B000UVQEUO

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> So a home three houses away from ours is under total re-modeling and today
> the workers found a grenade!!   Street closed ...the neighbors right next
> to it evacuated as we wait for bomb squad...hope no one gets hurt.
> This is usually a quiet neighborhood except for dummy dogs...
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>

Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time

[Jaime Solorza]

i dont twitter or facebook...this list is it,

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> *gets the popcorn*
>
> Can you download periscope and point your phone at it?
>
> *slurps sugary drink*
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
> > So a home three houses away from ours is under total re-modeling and
> today
> > the workers found a grenade!!   Street closed ...the neighbors right
> next to
> > it evacuated as we wait for bomb squad...hope no one gets hurt.
> > This is usually a quiet neighborhood except for dummy dogs...
> >
> > Jaime Solorza
> > Wireless Systems Architect
> > 915-861-1390
>

Re: [AFMUG] Grenade time

[Josh Reynolds]

*gets the popcorn*

Can you download periscope and point your phone at it?

*slurps sugary drink*

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> So a home three houses away from ours is under total re-modeling and today
> the workers found a grenade!!   Street closed ...the neighbors right next to
> it evacuated as we wait for bomb squad...hope no one gets hurt.
> This is usually a quiet neighborhood except for dummy dogs...
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390

[AFMUG] Grenade time

[Jaime Solorza]

So a home three houses away from ours is under total re-modeling and today
the workers found a grenade!!   Street closed ...the neighbors right next
to it evacuated as we wait for bomb squad...hope no one gets hurt.
This is usually a quiet neighborhood except for dummy dogs...

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/8/16 14:18, Joe Novak wrote:

is this a bad time to mention the PC Master Race?




Send this to the customer the next time they complain.

Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

[Joe Novak]

at least when you turn it off it's off.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 4:21 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> https://www.reddit.com/r/Gaben/
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
>> is this a bad time to mention the PC Master Race?
>>
>>
>> :)
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>>
>>> Doesn't include patch sizes.  Halo 5 is larger than MCC.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Mar 8, 2016 3:39 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>>>
 He most likely installed a game.  XboxLive gold comes with free games
 monthly.  You pick them and then they download in the background.  Here is
 the list of game sizes:

 https://www.finder.com/xbox-one-install-sizes

 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> +1 on this being a public list.  As far as XBoxOne goes, I have one.
> The updates are HUGE.  The game installs are HUGE.  I turned off instant
> on, but then I have to wait for an update to install EVERY TIME that I 
> play
> the console.  It is my understanding that it will download updates as they
> become available when either not in use, or in the background while 
> playing.
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Ty Featherling <
> tyfeatherl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Amen to that.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I really wish this list *wasn't* publicly searchable. There's a lot
>>> of
>>> things we talk about here that I wish those outside of our "circles"
>>> didn't know about, or weren't privy too.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>  wrote:
>>> > i cannot seem to find any time window referenced from microsoft
>>> other than
>>> > night time, I assume its randomized, but would like to see that
>>> concrete.
>>> > anybody have a link to that?
>>> >
>>> > not this one though
>>> >
>>> https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/console/system-update-overview
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The following is enough for me, but this guys a douchbag already
>>> threatening
>>> > to cancel service if we dont "fix" our accounting. If this list
>>> wasnt
>>> > publicly searchable I would cut and paste the content of his
>>> fuckwittery. we
>>> > are trying to get him to understand our accounting is accurate,
>>> because this
>>> > will be an issue every time he goes to sleep
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > How system updates work
>>> >
>>> > System updates vary depending on the power mode of your Xbox One
>>> console.
>>> >
>>> > Instant-On mode
>>> > All countries outside of the European Union will default to
>>> Instant-On power
>>> > mode. One of the features of Instant-On is the ability for your
>>> console to
>>> > check for updates on a nightly basis. If an update is available,
>>> the system
>>> > will download and install it while you sleep. After installation,
>>> the
>>> > console will need to reboot, which will require full shutdown from
>>> sleep
>>> > mode.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> not just system updates, a single game like fallout 4 can be a 25
>>> to 30GB
>>> >> download.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> so we installed a customer yesterday. hes complaining its not
>>> possible
>>> >>> that he used 20gb overnight since he was asleep
>>> >>>
>>> >>> the tech said his xbox one wanted to update and he stopped it,
>>> hes saying
>>> >>> he did update it and it was only a 500mb update
>>> >>>
>>> >>> he had a consistent 12mb download from around 1130pm to 3 am and
>>> again
>>> >>> from 8 am to 9am this morning
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I verified wireless and ethernet counters on his SM (bridge
>>> mode) and the
>>> >>> AP, as well as powercode accounting, they all match up
>>> >>>
>>> >>> reading about xbox one, it is defaultly in instant on mode
>>> outside the
>>> >>> EU, in that mode all the games on the system update at night, as
>>> best i can
>>> >>> tell from reading the update time is randomized somewhere give
>>> or take some
>>> >>> hours around 2AM redmond time.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Given the massive size of xbox one updates and his not having had
>>> >>> internet since he moved here, 

Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

[Eric Kuhnke]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gaben/

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> is this a bad time to mention the PC Master Race?
>
>
> :)
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Doesn't include patch sizes.  Halo 5 is larger than MCC.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Mar 8, 2016 3:39 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>>
>>> He most likely installed a game.  XboxLive gold comes with free games
>>> monthly.  You pick them and then they download in the background.  Here is
>>> the list of game sizes:
>>>
>>> https://www.finder.com/xbox-one-install-sizes
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>>
 +1 on this being a public list.  As far as XBoxOne goes, I have one.
 The updates are HUGE.  The game installs are HUGE.  I turned off instant
 on, but then I have to wait for an update to install EVERY TIME that I play
 the console.  It is my understanding that it will download updates as they
 become available when either not in use, or in the background while 
 playing.

 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Ty Featherling  wrote:

> Amen to that.
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> I really wish this list *wasn't* publicly searchable. There's a lot of
>> things we talk about here that I wish those outside of our "circles"
>> didn't know about, or weren't privy too.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>  wrote:
>> > i cannot seem to find any time window referenced from microsoft
>> other than
>> > night time, I assume its randomized, but would like to see that
>> concrete.
>> > anybody have a link to that?
>> >
>> > not this one though
>> >
>> https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/console/system-update-overview
>> >
>> >
>> > The following is enough for me, but this guys a douchbag already
>> threatening
>> > to cancel service if we dont "fix" our accounting. If this list
>> wasnt
>> > publicly searchable I would cut and paste the content of his
>> fuckwittery. we
>> > are trying to get him to understand our accounting is accurate,
>> because this
>> > will be an issue every time he goes to sleep
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > How system updates work
>> >
>> > System updates vary depending on the power mode of your Xbox One
>> console.
>> >
>> > Instant-On mode
>> > All countries outside of the European Union will default to
>> Instant-On power
>> > mode. One of the features of Instant-On is the ability for your
>> console to
>> > check for updates on a nightly basis. If an update is available,
>> the system
>> > will download and install it while you sleep. After installation,
>> the
>> > console will need to reboot, which will require full shutdown from
>> sleep
>> > mode.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> not just system updates, a single game like fallout 4 can be a 25
>> to 30GB
>> >> download.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> so we installed a customer yesterday. hes complaining its not
>> possible
>> >>> that he used 20gb overnight since he was asleep
>> >>>
>> >>> the tech said his xbox one wanted to update and he stopped it,
>> hes saying
>> >>> he did update it and it was only a 500mb update
>> >>>
>> >>> he had a consistent 12mb download from around 1130pm to 3 am and
>> again
>> >>> from 8 am to 9am this morning
>> >>>
>> >>> I verified wireless and ethernet counters on his SM (bridge mode)
>> and the
>> >>> AP, as well as powercode accounting, they all match up
>> >>>
>> >>> reading about xbox one, it is defaultly in instant on mode
>> outside the
>> >>> EU, in that mode all the games on the system update at night, as
>> best i can
>> >>> tell from reading the update time is randomized somewhere give or
>> take some
>> >>> hours around 2AM redmond time.
>> >>>
>> >>> Given the massive size of xbox one updates and his not having had
>> >>> internet since he moved here, it seems to me 20gb is not alot,
>> and it would
>> >>> be inline during that timeframe that it was xbox games (not the
>> system)
>> >>> updating as it is designed
>> >>>
>> >>> am i understanding this xbox one updates system correctly?
>> >>>

Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

[Adam Moffett]

Couldn't Steam running in the background on a PC have the same effect?


On 3/8/2016 5:18 PM, Joe Novak wrote:

is this a bad time to mention the PC Master Race?


:)

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:


Doesn't include patch sizes.  Halo 5 is larger than MCC.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 8, 2016 3:39 PM, "Jeremy" > wrote:

He most likely installed a game. XboxLive gold comes with free
games monthly.  You pick them and then they download in the
background.  Here is the list of game sizes:

https://www.finder.com/xbox-one-install-sizes

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Jeremy > wrote:

+1 on this being a public list.  As far as XBoxOne goes, I
have one. The updates are HUGE.  The game installs are
HUGE.  I turned off instant on, but then I have to wait
for an update to install EVERY TIME that I play the
console.  It is my understanding that it will download
updates as they become available when either not in use,
or in the background while playing.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Ty Featherling
>
wrote:

Amen to that.

-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Josh Reynolds
>
wrote:

I really wish this list *wasn't* publicly
searchable. There's a lot of
things we talk about here that I wish those
outside of our "circles"
didn't know about, or weren't privy too.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> wrote:
> i cannot seem to find any time window referenced
from microsoft other than
> night time, I assume its randomized, but would
like to see that concrete.
> anybody have a link to that?
>
> not this one though
>

https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/console/system-update-overview
>
>
> The following is enough for me, but this guys a
douchbag already threatening
> to cancel service if we dont "fix" our
accounting. If this list wasnt
> publicly searchable I would cut and paste the
content of his fuckwittery. we
> are trying to get him to understand our
accounting is accurate, because this
> will be an issue every time he goes to sleep
>
>
>
> How system updates work
>
> System updates vary depending on the power mode
of your Xbox One console.
>
> Instant-On mode
> All countries outside of the European Union will
default to Instant-On power
> mode. One of the features of Instant-On is the
ability for your console to
> check for updates on a nightly basis. If an
update is available, the system
> will download and install it while you sleep.
After installation, the
> console will need to reboot, which will require
full shutdown from sleep
> mode.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Eric Kuhnke
> wrote:
>>
>> not just system updates, a single game like
fallout 4 can be a 25 to 30GB
>> download.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy
/sarcasm
>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> so we 

Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

[Josh Luthman]

Only if you complain to your ISP.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 8, 2016 5:18 PM, "Joe Novak"  wrote:

> is this a bad time to mention the PC Master Race?
>
>
> :)
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Doesn't include patch sizes.  Halo 5 is larger than MCC.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Mar 8, 2016 3:39 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>>
>>> He most likely installed a game.  XboxLive gold comes with free games
>>> monthly.  You pick them and then they download in the background.  Here is
>>> the list of game sizes:
>>>
>>> https://www.finder.com/xbox-one-install-sizes
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>>
 +1 on this being a public list.  As far as XBoxOne goes, I have one.
 The updates are HUGE.  The game installs are HUGE.  I turned off instant
 on, but then I have to wait for an update to install EVERY TIME that I play
 the console.  It is my understanding that it will download updates as they
 become available when either not in use, or in the background while 
 playing.

 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Ty Featherling  wrote:

> Amen to that.
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> I really wish this list *wasn't* publicly searchable. There's a lot of
>> things we talk about here that I wish those outside of our "circles"
>> didn't know about, or weren't privy too.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>  wrote:
>> > i cannot seem to find any time window referenced from microsoft
>> other than
>> > night time, I assume its randomized, but would like to see that
>> concrete.
>> > anybody have a link to that?
>> >
>> > not this one though
>> >
>> https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/console/system-update-overview
>> >
>> >
>> > The following is enough for me, but this guys a douchbag already
>> threatening
>> > to cancel service if we dont "fix" our accounting. If this list
>> wasnt
>> > publicly searchable I would cut and paste the content of his
>> fuckwittery. we
>> > are trying to get him to understand our accounting is accurate,
>> because this
>> > will be an issue every time he goes to sleep
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > How system updates work
>> >
>> > System updates vary depending on the power mode of your Xbox One
>> console.
>> >
>> > Instant-On mode
>> > All countries outside of the European Union will default to
>> Instant-On power
>> > mode. One of the features of Instant-On is the ability for your
>> console to
>> > check for updates on a nightly basis. If an update is available,
>> the system
>> > will download and install it while you sleep. After installation,
>> the
>> > console will need to reboot, which will require full shutdown from
>> sleep
>> > mode.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> not just system updates, a single game like fallout 4 can be a 25
>> to 30GB
>> >> download.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> so we installed a customer yesterday. hes complaining its not
>> possible
>> >>> that he used 20gb overnight since he was asleep
>> >>>
>> >>> the tech said his xbox one wanted to update and he stopped it,
>> hes saying
>> >>> he did update it and it was only a 500mb update
>> >>>
>> >>> he had a consistent 12mb download from around 1130pm to 3 am and
>> again
>> >>> from 8 am to 9am this morning
>> >>>
>> >>> I verified wireless and ethernet counters on his SM (bridge mode)
>> and the
>> >>> AP, as well as powercode accounting, they all match up
>> >>>
>> >>> reading about xbox one, it is defaultly in instant on mode
>> outside the
>> >>> EU, in that mode all the games on the system update at night, as
>> best i can
>> >>> tell from reading the update time is randomized somewhere give or
>> take some
>> >>> hours around 2AM redmond time.
>> >>>
>> >>> Given the massive size of xbox one updates and his not having had
>> >>> internet since he moved here, it seems to me 20gb is not alot,
>> and it would
>> >>> be inline during that timeframe that it was xbox games (not the
>> system)
>> >>> updating as it is designed

Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

[Joe Novak]

is this a bad time to mention the PC Master Race?


:)

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Doesn't include patch sizes.  Halo 5 is larger than MCC.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Mar 8, 2016 3:39 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
>
>> He most likely installed a game.  XboxLive gold comes with free games
>> monthly.  You pick them and then they download in the background.  Here is
>> the list of game sizes:
>>
>> https://www.finder.com/xbox-one-install-sizes
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>>> +1 on this being a public list.  As far as XBoxOne goes, I have one.
>>> The updates are HUGE.  The game installs are HUGE.  I turned off instant
>>> on, but then I have to wait for an update to install EVERY TIME that I play
>>> the console.  It is my understanding that it will download updates as they
>>> become available when either not in use, or in the background while playing.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Ty Featherling 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Amen to that.

 -Ty



 -Ty

 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

> I really wish this list *wasn't* publicly searchable. There's a lot of
> things we talk about here that I wish those outside of our "circles"
> didn't know about, or weren't privy too.
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>  wrote:
> > i cannot seem to find any time window referenced from microsoft
> other than
> > night time, I assume its randomized, but would like to see that
> concrete.
> > anybody have a link to that?
> >
> > not this one though
> >
> https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/console/system-update-overview
> >
> >
> > The following is enough for me, but this guys a douchbag already
> threatening
> > to cancel service if we dont "fix" our accounting. If this list wasnt
> > publicly searchable I would cut and paste the content of his
> fuckwittery. we
> > are trying to get him to understand our accounting is accurate,
> because this
> > will be an issue every time he goes to sleep
> >
> >
> >
> > How system updates work
> >
> > System updates vary depending on the power mode of your Xbox One
> console.
> >
> > Instant-On mode
> > All countries outside of the European Union will default to
> Instant-On power
> > mode. One of the features of Instant-On is the ability for your
> console to
> > check for updates on a nightly basis. If an update is available, the
> system
> > will download and install it while you sleep. After installation, the
> > console will need to reboot, which will require full shutdown from
> sleep
> > mode.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> not just system updates, a single game like fallout 4 can be a 25
> to 30GB
> >> download.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> so we installed a customer yesterday. hes complaining its not
> possible
> >>> that he used 20gb overnight since he was asleep
> >>>
> >>> the tech said his xbox one wanted to update and he stopped it, hes
> saying
> >>> he did update it and it was only a 500mb update
> >>>
> >>> he had a consistent 12mb download from around 1130pm to 3 am and
> again
> >>> from 8 am to 9am this morning
> >>>
> >>> I verified wireless and ethernet counters on his SM (bridge mode)
> and the
> >>> AP, as well as powercode accounting, they all match up
> >>>
> >>> reading about xbox one, it is defaultly in instant on mode outside
> the
> >>> EU, in that mode all the games on the system update at night, as
> best i can
> >>> tell from reading the update time is randomized somewhere give or
> take some
> >>> hours around 2AM redmond time.
> >>>
> >>> Given the massive size of xbox one updates and his not having had
> >>> internet since he moved here, it seems to me 20gb is not alot, and
> it would
> >>> be inline during that timeframe that it was xbox games (not the
> system)
> >>> updating as it is designed
> >>>
> >>> am i understanding this xbox one updates system correctly?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
> your team
> >>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > If you only see 

Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor

[Rory Conaway]

We are with AC2.  Unfortunately I’m on vacation so I’m briefly checking on it.  
I changed everything to 10MHz until I can deal with it this weekend.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 12:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor

Are you graphing the stations / APs in AirControl2 or similar? This can help 
diagnose the problem.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
CCQ% is 95-98%.But it doesn’t mean it’s not an interference issue.  I’ve 
seen Mikrotik do serious damage to Ubiquiti.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 12:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor

Yes, substantial interference will cause this, even on 5GHz. It could be noise 
at the AP, but only if all stations having high CCQs. If not, the CPEs are 
seeing another signal that either has very high signal or is on a near or 
overlapping frequency.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:53 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
Rory, I think you're seeing somewhat normal operation from the UBNT radios. The 
AP heard nothing from that CPE in a while so it tore down the session. CPE 
still thinks it's registered. AP says nope. Could be interference. We saw this 
all the time in the 2.4 band w/ UBNT radios.

On 3/8/2016 9:03 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
I haven’t seen one on a Ubiquiti AP which is why I asked but when I get back in 
town next week, I’m going to set it up so I can see how it works.  Our Xirrus 
radios have that feature.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 6:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor

When a deauth is happening, the laptop doing the deauth impersonates the AP, 
telling the client to disconnect. What I see below doesn't look like a deauth 
attack.


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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "timothy steele" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 6:28:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor

04:18:d6:e4:c0:15 Is a ubnt Mac sure you don't own that Mac? In the client list 
you should see it pop up now and then maybe pop up a fake ap with same said 
with passphrase ubnt should connect then you can get into the network of who 
ever is doing it

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016, 7:14 AM Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
are you running 802.11n or airmax?

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:44 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
I’m almost done doing that.  This should be interesting.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 9:55 PM
To: Animal Farm >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor


Change your ssid and hide it...
On Mar 7, 2016 9:05 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
Received disassoc from 04:18:d6:e4:c0:15. Reason: Disassociated because sending 
STA is leaving (or has left) BSS (8).
Feb 13 07:17:43 wireless: ath0 STA-TRAFFIC-STAT mac=04:18:d6:e4:c0:15 
rx_packets=633675 rx_bytes=116857546 tx_packets=2225222 tx_bytes=3041234063
Feb 13 07:17:43 wireless: ath0 Expired node:04:18:D6:E4:C0:15
Feb 13 07:17:43 hostapd: ath0: STA 04:18:d6:e4:c0:15 IEEE 802.11: disassociated
Feb 13 07:17:43 wireless: ath0 Sending deauth to 04:18:d6:e4:c0:15. Reason: 
Class 2 frame received from nonauthenticated STA (

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Rory 

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

[Tim Reichhart]

I have been trying to find an cheap m2m for me to login into my network to 
allow me to power cycle the bh or router.

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 03/08/16 04:16 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

 
For example with HSPA+/LTE modems, to have proper OOB into the routers at a 
crucial POP.

 
$6/mo per active SIM card is pretty cheap for M2M data SIMs, though the $/MB 
rate is not the best. But for the application I have in mind it would be 
console SSH traffic, which is super low bandwidth.

 
https://ting.com/rates

 
For LTE they're an MVNO on AT and T-Mobile.

 
Looking at the FAQ they say that the data usage can be limited and monitored on 
a per-device basis, which could be useful.



 

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[Eric Kuhnke]

The great thing about those ventilated shallow rack shelves is that you can
aggressively ziptie stuff down onto them, to keep it in place even when
cables are pushed/pulled/wiggled, connected and disconnected.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ha, thats funny, because those two exact products is what we are using
> where we dont have DIN,
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> How about one of these:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Raxxess-RAX-Unitray-Universal-Rack/dp/B0007OGTGS
>>
>> And a roll of this:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Velcro-Products-Industrial-Sticky-Back-positioning/dp/B004E2IADO
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I can tell you if you had a 1U or 2U blank that we could pull the guts
>>> from our existing 4 port syncinjectors, and a single blank for the guts of
>>> a sitemnitor, and sold the existing 4 port injectors with a spare sticker,
>>> id be pig in shit happy.
>>> If you had that, Id still pay the current cost of the syncinjectors, and
>>> you could keep the housings
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

 We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which
 we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.

 Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number
 of ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully
 get this elephant out of the room

  So I need some input:

 The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
 power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
 control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
 built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
 to space on the front panel of the enclosure).

 PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design
 completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I
 try to price things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will 
 bear.

 The main questions I have for the list are:

 Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most
 I can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of
 6 ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
 time).

 Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
 quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.

 I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
 $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
 sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
 addition to this?



 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
 
   


>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

[Josh Reynolds]

Mike - YES, in fact they only support IPv4 for "fallback" on LTE

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:07 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Does Ting do IPv6?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 8, 2016 3:06:32 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?
>
> I'm really hoping to avoid USB if at all possible. The wholly integrated
> HSPA+/LTE modems that have a 100BaseTX ethernet interface are quite
> expensive, like the basic Opengear model that is $380.
>
> USB could work with a raspberry pi2 if absolutely necessary.
>
> One of the things I can predict, the SIM card + Ting concept will almost
> certainly not get a public ipv4 address, it'll be behind some some of cgnat
> with no ports forwarded, so the raspberry pi2 needs to initiate and
> maintain a persistent SSH connection or similar tunnel (such as a tcp based
> openvpn tunnel with unique-per-device static point-to-point keys shared by
> server and client, in which the pi2 is the client).
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>>
>>
>> What USB device would you be looking to use with Ting?  It looks very
>> interesting.  And, wondering about performance (RX/TX) on the LTE device…
>> on that could run an external antenna to get it outside the walls of a
>> building would be helpful also
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul, PDMNet
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 2:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?
>>
>>
>>
>> For example with HSPA+/LTE modems, to have proper OOB into the routers at
>> a crucial POP.
>>
>> $6/mo per active SIM card is pretty cheap for M2M data SIMs, though the
>> $/MB rate is not the best. But for the application I have in mind it would
>> be console SSH traffic, which is super low bandwidth.
>>
>> https://ting.com/rates
>>
>> For LTE they're an MVNO on AT and T-Mobile.
>>
>> Looking at the FAQ they say that the data usage can be limited and
>> monitored on a per-device basis, which could be useful.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

[Josh Reynolds]

RoadWarrior VPN Design back to a VPN concentrator.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 3:06 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> I'm really hoping to avoid USB if at all possible. The wholly integrated
> HSPA+/LTE modems that have a 100BaseTX ethernet interface are quite
> expensive, like the basic Opengear model that is $380.
>
> USB could work with a raspberry pi2 if absolutely necessary.
>
> One of the things I can predict, the SIM card + Ting concept will almost
> certainly not get a public ipv4 address, it'll be behind some some of cgnat
> with no ports forwarded, so the raspberry pi2 needs to initiate and maintain
> a persistent SSH connection or similar tunnel (such as a tcp based openvpn
> tunnel with unique-per-device static point-to-point keys shared by server
> and client, in which the pi2 is the client).
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>> Eric,
>>
>>
>>
>> What USB device would you be looking to use with Ting?  It looks very
>> interesting.  And, wondering about performance (RX/TX) on the LTE device… on
>> that could run an external antenna to get it outside the walls of a building
>> would be helpful also
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul, PDMNet
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 2:37 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?
>>
>>
>>
>> For example with HSPA+/LTE modems, to have proper OOB into the routers at
>> a crucial POP.
>>
>> $6/mo per active SIM card is pretty cheap for M2M data SIMs, though the
>> $/MB rate is not the best. But for the application I have in mind it would
>> be console SSH traffic, which is super low bandwidth.
>>
>> https://ting.com/rates
>>
>> For LTE they're an MVNO on AT and T-Mobile.
>>
>> Looking at the FAQ they say that the data usage can be limited and
>> monitored on a per-device basis, which could be useful.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

[Mike Hammett]

Does Ting do IPv6? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Kuhnke"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 3:06:32 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management? 




I'm really hoping to avoid USB if at all possible. The wholly integrated 
HSPA+/LTE modems that have a 100BaseTX ethernet interface are quite expensive, 
like the basic Opengear model that is $380. 

USB could work with a raspberry pi2 if absolutely necessary. 

One of the things I can predict, the SIM card + Ting concept will almost 
certainly not get a public ipv4 address, it'll be behind some some of cgnat 
with no ports forwarded, so the raspberry pi2 needs to initiate and maintain a 
persistent SSH connection or similar tunnel (such as a tcp based openvpn tunnel 
with unique-per-device static point-to-point keys shared by server and client, 
in which the pi2 is the client). 





On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 





Eric, 

What USB device would you be looking to use with Ting? It looks very 
interesting. And, wondering about performance (RX/TX) on the LTE device… on 
that could run an external antenna to get it outside the walls of a building 
would be helpful also 

Paul, PDMNet 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 2:37 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management? 






For example with HSPA+/LTE modems, to have proper OOB into the routers at a 
crucial POP. 
$6/mo per active SIM card is pretty cheap for M2M data SIMs, though the $/MB 
rate is not the best. But for the application I have in mind it would be 
console SSH traffic, which is super low bandwidth. 
https://ting.com/rates 
For LTE they're an MVNO on AT and T-Mobile. 
Looking at the FAQ they say that the data usage can be limited and monitored on 
a per-device basis, which could be useful. 

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

[Eric Kuhnke]

I'm really hoping to avoid USB if at all possible. The wholly integrated
HSPA+/LTE modems that have a 100BaseTX ethernet interface are quite
expensive, like the basic Opengear model that is $380.

USB could work with a raspberry pi2 if absolutely necessary.

One of the things I can predict, the SIM card + Ting concept will almost
certainly not get a public ipv4 address, it'll be behind some some of cgnat
with no ports forwarded, so the raspberry pi2 needs to initiate and
maintain a persistent SSH connection or similar tunnel (such as a tcp based
openvpn tunnel with unique-per-device static point-to-point keys shared by
server and client, in which the pi2 is the client).



On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Eric,
>
>
>
> What USB device would you be looking to use with Ting?  It looks very
> interesting.  And, wondering about performance (RX/TX) on the LTE device…
> on that could run an external antenna to get it outside the walls of a
> building would be helpful also
>
>
>
> Paul, PDMNet
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 2:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?
>
>
>
> For example with HSPA+/LTE modems, to have proper OOB into the routers at
> a crucial POP.
>
> $6/mo per active SIM card is pretty cheap for M2M data SIMs, though the
> $/MB rate is not the best. But for the application I have in mind it would
> be console SSH traffic, which is super low bandwidth.
>
> https://ting.com/rates
>
> For LTE they're an MVNO on AT and T-Mobile.
>
> Looking at the FAQ they say that the data usage can be limited and
> monitored on a per-device basis, which could be useful.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Yep, pretty much anything you mentioned.  Anything which will work with a
passive power injector.   Notable exceptions:  Cambium 320/430 radios
(oddly pinned power not compatible with a true gigabit radio), and other
radios which try to do everything across the eight pairs and end up
breaking compatibility as a result - for instance some of the high end
microwave radios which don't do true PoE but instead rely on their own
special injector which does everything under the sun.

ETA:  Depends on how many projects we can juggle at once.   The next 30
days or so are consumed with Wispamerica and trying to get the new 4 port
injector released to production.   After that happens, we're going to try
to simultaneously work on both this project and the 12 port version of the
'din mountable' injector.   Assuming that works well, we're looking at
probably around 90 days (from now) for both the 12 port and the rackmount
unit.  But, this all can slip if we need to spin a board.



On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Matt  wrote:

> I vote 18 port.  Make sure it supports PMP100, PMP450, PMP450i, ePMP,
> Mimosa and others.  I assume gigabit?  Really like idea of being able to
> replace in 6 port chunks too.
>
> ETA?  Really liking this product.
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>
>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
>> can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>>
>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
>> this elephant out of the room
>>
>>  So I need some input:
>>
>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
>> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
>> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>>
>> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
>> I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price
>> things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>
>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>
>> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
>> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
>> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
>> time).
>>
>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>
>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
>> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
>> addition to this?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I could buy them from amazon, bundle them, and sell them to you with a nice
markup for me  ;)

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:59 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ha, thats funny, because those two exact products is what we are using
> where we dont have DIN,
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> How about one of these:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Raxxess-RAX-Unitray-Universal-Rack/dp/B0007OGTGS
>>
>> And a roll of this:
>> http://www.amazon.com/Velcro-Products-Industrial-Sticky-Back-positioning/dp/B004E2IADO
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I can tell you if you had a 1U or 2U blank that we could pull the guts
>>> from our existing 4 port syncinjectors, and a single blank for the guts of
>>> a sitemnitor, and sold the existing 4 port injectors with a spare sticker,
>>> id be pig in shit happy.
>>> If you had that, Id still pay the current cost of the syncinjectors, and
>>> you could keep the housings
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

 We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which
 we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.

 Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number
 of ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully
 get this elephant out of the room

  So I need some input:

 The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
 power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
 control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
 built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
 to space on the front panel of the enclosure).

 PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design
 completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I
 try to price things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will 
 bear.

 The main questions I have for the list are:

 Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most
 I can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of
 6 ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
 time).

 Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
 quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.

 I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
 $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
 sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
 addition to this?



 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
 
   


>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

unless theres exposed components that could easily be damaged, would there
need to be a cover? These are intended to be in an an enclosure?  If you
could get these pressed in such a way that the housin would hold the APC
blanks for the WB cards, I think at this point we all have 2.3 billion of
those things laying around

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'm thinking about this as an option.  The question then becomes what to
> do with the empty holes?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:
>
>> how about selling unit with 1 module set & allow us to expand to full
>> capacity.
>> that way I can standardize even small sites, which can grow..
>>
>> Roland
>>
>> > Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>
>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
>> can
>> work with. Domestic. Product looks decent. Price is right.
>>
>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>> ports,
>> so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this
>> elephant out of the room
>>
>> So I need some input:
>>
>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>> power
>> injector. Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>> control of
>> power and sync. Probably some redundant power and other things built in,
>> but
>> I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on
>> the
>> front panel of the enclosure).
>>
>> PLEASE NOTE: The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
>> I won't
>> know what I can sell this for - as many of you know I try to price things
>> at a
>> fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>
>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>
>> Is 18 the correct number of ports? 18 is looking like about the most I
>> can fit
>> based on front panel dimensions. This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports
>> (if
>> you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).
>>
>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>> quantities of
>> ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>
>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>> $800 is
>> the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to
>> sell
>> (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to
>> this?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>
>> <
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Oh, I don't think I finished replying to this one... if it's a dup, just
ignore this reply or the other one...

My intent is to build this with a standalone web interface and a SNMP MIB
which is designed for this device.   This should enable a bit easier
management.   I may consider adding an expansion bus output for those of
you who want to add on a module or two, but I haven't decided about this
yet.

I think the others I've pretty much answered, and for those I have I
haven't, your thinking is pretty much identical to mine.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> I could go either way. 4x4 for 16 or 6x3 for 18. More ports is always
> cool. I guess whatever makes the most sense to you would be fine with me.
>
> This really comes down to being able to power just about anything
> imaginable... except for Trango's crazy licensed POE scheme, power
> consumption and -48. Which is fine, I'll do something else for those.
>
> I can make use of the 12-port DIN mount at many sites. And this rack mount
> for the bigger sites is icing on the cake. This will let me get rid of all
> the fuses and really simplify the wiring. So I'm in.
>
> Are you planning for this to be a SiteMonitor + SyncInjector in the same
> chassis all integrated? An expansion bus would definitely be needed. Unless
> you're designing this more like the stand-alone generator controller?
>
> On 3/8/2016 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>
> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
> can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>
> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
> this elephant out of the room
>
>  So I need some input:
>
> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>
> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
> I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price
> things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>
> The main questions I have for the list are:
>
> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
> time).
>
> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>
> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
> addition to this?
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com |  
> http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[Matt]

Leave them open.  If it really bothers someone there is wide black tape.


On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'm thinking about this as an option.  The question then becomes what to
> do with the empty holes?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:
>
>> how about selling unit with 1 module set & allow us to expand to full
>> capacity.
>> that way I can standardize even small sites, which can grow..
>>
>> Roland
>>
>> > Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>
>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
>> can
>> work with. Domestic. Product looks decent. Price is right.
>>
>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>> ports,
>> so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this
>> elephant out of the room
>>
>> So I need some input:
>>
>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>> power
>> injector. Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>> control of
>> power and sync. Probably some redundant power and other things built in,
>> but
>> I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on
>> the
>> front panel of the enclosure).
>>
>> PLEASE NOTE: The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
>> I won't
>> know what I can sell this for - as many of you know I try to price things
>> at a
>> fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>
>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>
>> Is 18 the correct number of ports? 18 is looking like about the most I
>> can fit
>> based on front panel dimensions. This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports
>> (if
>> you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).
>>
>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>> quantities of
>> ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>
>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>> $800 is
>> the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to
>> sell
>> (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to
>> this?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>
>> <
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

[Paul McCall]

Eric,

What USB device would you be looking to use with Ting?  It looks very 
interesting.  And, wondering about performance (RX/TX) on the LTE device… on 
that could run an external antenna to get it outside the walls of a building 
would be helpful also

Paul, PDMNet

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 2:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

For example with HSPA+/LTE modems, to have proper OOB into the routers at a 
crucial POP.
$6/mo per active SIM card is pretty cheap for M2M data SIMs, though the $/MB 
rate is not the best. But for the application I have in mind it would be 
console SSH traffic, which is super low bandwidth.
https://ting.com/rates
For LTE they're an MVNO on AT and T-Mobile.
Looking at the FAQ they say that the data usage can be limited and monitored on 
a per-device basis, which could be useful.

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

ha, thats funny, because those two exact products is what we are using
where we dont have DIN,



On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> How about one of these:
> http://www.amazon.com/Raxxess-RAX-Unitray-Universal-Rack/dp/B0007OGTGS
>
> And a roll of this:
> http://www.amazon.com/Velcro-Products-Industrial-Sticky-Back-positioning/dp/B004E2IADO
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I can tell you if you had a 1U or 2U blank that we could pull the guts
>> from our existing 4 port syncinjectors, and a single blank for the guts of
>> a sitemnitor, and sold the existing 4 port injectors with a spare sticker,
>> id be pig in shit happy.
>> If you had that, Id still pay the current cost of the syncinjectors, and
>> you could keep the housings
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>>
>>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which
>>> we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>>>
>>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>>> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
>>> this elephant out of the room
>>>
>>>  So I need some input:
>>>
>>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>>> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>>> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
>>> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
>>> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>>>
>>> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design
>>> completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I
>>> try to price things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>>
>>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>>
>>> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
>>> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
>>> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
>>> time).
>>>
>>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>>> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>>
>>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>>> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
>>> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
>>> addition to this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

That is 100% correct.

BTW, most of the 'hobbyist' modules such as those which connect to a
raspberry pi are neither certified or approved.   You can usually get away
with it with a sim swap but some carriers are really fussy (aka verizon).

But I'm really interested in finding out what you originally asked Is
anyone already doing something similar on their network?

-forrest

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Forrest can correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like certification is
> necessary if you take a 'raw' module from Sierra Wireless or a competitor
> and integrate it into your product and are talking to it by AT commands.
>
> If you buy a wholly integrated radio product such as an HSPA+/LTE modem
> that has a 100/1000 Mbps Ethernet interface, or a USB interface, the device
> itself is already certified. At which point you just need to integrate it
> into your product using the ethernet port or USB.
>
> Or for example the HSPA+/LTE HWIC which you can put in a Cisco 2900 or
> 3900 series router. It is already certified. You just have to attach a pair
> of antennas and some 50 ohm coax to it.
>
>
> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/interfaces-modules/4g-lte-wireless-wan-enhanced-high-speed-wan-interface-card/datasheet_c78-710314.html
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> What about a USB LTE adapter, and give your unit a USB port?
>>
>> I'm saying this from the comfort of my armchair, so maybe that's too hard
>> / too stupid.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/8/2016 3:02 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>> Pre-certified does not mean permitted on a network.
>>
>> If you buy the sierra gateway solutions which is an all-in-one box, this
>> is considered a product, and the hoops have been jumped through by sierra
>> wireless.
>>
>> On the other hand the 'modules' generally are pre-certified, but are not
>> considered a finished product which means you have to go through a 'light'
>> version of PTCRB testing.See the article at
>> http://www.ecnmag.com/article/2012/07/cellular-carrier-certification-requirements
>> , this sums it up pretty well.   The thing that has changed for me is the
>> cost of the AT certification even with a pre-certified "almost automatic"
>> approval, was really expensive until recently.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you were to take a module from Sierra Wireless, aren't those pretty
>>> much all pre-certified?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
 I still want everyone else's answer to this... but I'll add my $0.02:
  (I guess what I'm saying is I don't want to hijack this threadsince
 I'm interested in everyone's answers.)

 I've been looking at adding a product to the PacketFlux line which uses
 a cellular modem to manage it.  The hold up until recently has been the
 arrogance of the cellular companies, especially in the US.   Getting a
 cellular modem module and integrating it isn't a big issue for us (I've
 been playing with this for a while).   Jumping through the hoops the
 cellular companies require for this IS a big deal, and historically has
 cost a lot of money.   It is amazing how you can take a module which the
 cellular companies have pre-approved on their network, but it still costs
 $20K to certify a product which uses the module as it was intended to be
 permitted to talk on their network.  Add a SKU?  Another 10K, even if it's
 virtually identical hardware.

 Recently AT has softened their policies on this to permit
 pre-certified modules on the network (supposedly) without jumping through
 the expensive hoops.   So, this may be happening sooner than I would have
 expected.   I sort of am envisioning some sort of hybrid connection to the
 sitemonitor line, plus ability to control other devices via snmp or telnet.

 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
 wrote:

> For example with HSPA+/LTE modems, to have proper OOB into the routers
> at a crucial POP.
>
> $6/mo per active SIM card is pretty cheap for M2M data SIMs, though
> the $/MB rate is not the best. But for the application I have in mind it
> would be console SSH traffic, which is super low bandwidth.
>
> https://ting.com/rates
>
> For LTE they're an MVNO on AT and T-Mobile.
>
> Looking at the FAQ they say that the data usage can be limited and
> monitored on a per-device basis, which could be useful.
>
>
>
>


 --
 *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
 Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
 

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[Chuck McCown]

1)You get what you pay for, and part of what you are paying for is customer 
service.  See if UBNT will jump on here and interact with a customer like 
Forest does.
2)Never hurts to buy USA made equipment.
3)Commodity stuff that arrives on a container will NEVER be the same 
quality as small lots individually hand tested by the people that have designed 
and built them.
4)Almost everyone on here is a small business.  Nice to support small 
businesses.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 1:52 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

It's hard for me to compete with the ubnt and netonix products, mainly because 
of volume differences.   There are also some key design and customer RMA 
philosophy differences which increase costs - I really don't feel like it's 
right to cut corners which significantly decrease reliability, and then refuse 
to warranty products because the design was damaged by static, or a short, or 
similar - all of which should be survivable.   High-current lightning strikes?  
Maybe not... 

Like you pointed out though I think I'm in the right price range, especially If 
I can do a better job of describing the differences here.   I also am working 
hard on getting that price down.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Peter Kranz  wrote:

  18 ports sounds reasonable to me, it will fit the needs to most any site. I 
could see myself buying 2 units and stacking them such that 50% of my APs were 
connected to unit #1 and 50% connected to unit #2.



  On pricing, if you don’t require sync, this unit would somewhat compete with 
the UBNT EdgeSwitch, ES-16-150W, that unit is $300 for 16 24V and PoE+ ports. 
But it does lack several features you provide.



  The alternative Netonix WS-12-400AC is $399.95



  So the $800 price is a great deal compared to the CTM-2 product, but about 
double the UBNT and Netonix competitor.



  I think the uplift from $400 to $800 would be worth it if it supported more 
voltage standards than the UBNT product, and provided redundant power options 
that both of those devices lacked.



  Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
  Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
  Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
  Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:41 AM
  To: af 
  Subject: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync



  Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening. 



  We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we can 
work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.



  Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of 
ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this 
elephant out of the room  



  So I need some input:



  The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount power 
injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port control of 
power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things built in, but 
I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on the 
front panel of the enclosure).



  PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed I 
won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price 
things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.



  The main questions I have for the list are:



  Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I can 
fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports 
(if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).   



  Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller quantities 
of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.   



  I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for $800 
is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to 
sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to 
this?   








  -- 

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

  
   







-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

It's hard for me to compete with the ubnt and netonix products, mainly
because of volume differences.   There are also some key design and
customer RMA philosophy differences which increase costs - I really don't
feel like it's right to cut corners which significantly decrease
reliability, and then refuse to warranty products because the design was
damaged by static, or a short, or similar - all of which should be
survivable.   High-current lightning strikes?  Maybe not...

Like you pointed out though I think I'm in the right price range,
especially If I can do a better job of describing the differences here.   I
also am working hard on getting that price down.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Peter Kranz  wrote:

> 18 ports sounds reasonable to me, it will fit the needs to most any site.
> I could see myself buying 2 units and stacking them such that 50% of my APs
> were connected to unit #1 and 50% connected to unit #2.
>
>
>
> On pricing, if you don’t require sync, this unit would somewhat compete
> with the UBNT EdgeSwitch, ES-16-150W, that unit is $300 for 16 24V and PoE+
> ports. But it does lack several features you provide.
>
>
>
> The alternative Netonix WS-12-400AC is $399.95
>
>
>
> So the $800 price is a great deal compared to the CTM-2 product, but about
> double the UBNT and Netonix competitor.
>
>
>
> I think the uplift from $400 to $800 would be worth it if it supported
> more voltage standards than the UBNT product, and provided redundant power
> options that both of those devices lacked.
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:41 AM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync
>
>
>
> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>
>
>
> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
> can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>
>
>
> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
> this elephant out of the room
>
>
>
>  So I need some input:
>
>
>
> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>
>
>
> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
> I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price
> things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>
>
>
> The main questions I have for the list are:
>
>
>
> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
> time).
>
>
>
> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>
>
>
> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
> addition to this?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>
>   
>   
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[George Skorup]

Popcorn!

On 3/8/2016 2:46 PM, Jeremy wrote:

A blank cover plate?

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> wrote:


I'm thinking about this as an option.  The question then becomes
what to do with the empty holes?



On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Roland Houin > wrote:

how about selling unit with 1 module set & allow us to expand
to full capacity.
that way I can standardize even small sites, which can grow..

Roland

> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure
manufacturer which we can
work with. Domestic. Product looks decent. Price is right.

Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as
number of ports,
so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully
get this
elephant out of the room

So I need some input:

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port
rackmount power
injector. Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port.
Per-port control of
power and sync. Probably some redundant power and other things
built in, but
I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
to space on the
front panel of the enclosure).

PLEASE NOTE: The prices here are soft - until I get the design
completed I won't
know what I can sell this for - as many of you know I try to
price things at a
fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.

The main questions I have for the list are:

Is 18 the correct number of ports? 18 is looking like about
the most I can fit
based on front panel dimensions. This corresponds to 3 blocks
of 6 ports (if
you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
time).

Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any
smaller quantities of
ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.

I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port
version for $800 is
the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it
make sense to sell
(as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
addition to this?

--

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345  | Address: 3577
Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com

<




-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com 

 

Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

[Josh Luthman]

Doesn't include patch sizes.  Halo 5 is larger than MCC.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 8, 2016 3:39 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

> He most likely installed a game.  XboxLive gold comes with free games
> monthly.  You pick them and then they download in the background.  Here is
> the list of game sizes:
>
> https://www.finder.com/xbox-one-install-sizes
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> +1 on this being a public list.  As far as XBoxOne goes, I have one.  The
>> updates are HUGE.  The game installs are HUGE.  I turned off instant on,
>> but then I have to wait for an update to install EVERY TIME that I play the
>> console.  It is my understanding that it will download updates as they
>> become available when either not in use, or in the background while playing.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Ty Featherling 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Amen to that.
>>>
>>> -Ty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Ty
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I really wish this list *wasn't* publicly searchable. There's a lot of
 things we talk about here that I wish those outside of our "circles"
 didn't know about, or weren't privy too.

 On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
  wrote:
 > i cannot seem to find any time window referenced from microsoft other
 than
 > night time, I assume its randomized, but would like to see that
 concrete.
 > anybody have a link to that?
 >
 > not this one though
 >
 https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/console/system-update-overview
 >
 >
 > The following is enough for me, but this guys a douchbag already
 threatening
 > to cancel service if we dont "fix" our accounting. If this list wasnt
 > publicly searchable I would cut and paste the content of his
 fuckwittery. we
 > are trying to get him to understand our accounting is accurate,
 because this
 > will be an issue every time he goes to sleep
 >
 >
 >
 > How system updates work
 >
 > System updates vary depending on the power mode of your Xbox One
 console.
 >
 > Instant-On mode
 > All countries outside of the European Union will default to
 Instant-On power
 > mode. One of the features of Instant-On is the ability for your
 console to
 > check for updates on a nightly basis. If an update is available, the
 system
 > will download and install it while you sleep. After installation, the
 > console will need to reboot, which will require full shutdown from
 sleep
 > mode.
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
 wrote:
 >>
 >> not just system updates, a single game like fallout 4 can be a 25 to
 30GB
 >> download.
 >>
 >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 >>  wrote:
 >>>
 >>> so we installed a customer yesterday. hes complaining its not
 possible
 >>> that he used 20gb overnight since he was asleep
 >>>
 >>> the tech said his xbox one wanted to update and he stopped it, hes
 saying
 >>> he did update it and it was only a 500mb update
 >>>
 >>> he had a consistent 12mb download from around 1130pm to 3 am and
 again
 >>> from 8 am to 9am this morning
 >>>
 >>> I verified wireless and ethernet counters on his SM (bridge mode)
 and the
 >>> AP, as well as powercode accounting, they all match up
 >>>
 >>> reading about xbox one, it is defaultly in instant on mode outside
 the
 >>> EU, in that mode all the games on the system update at night, as
 best i can
 >>> tell from reading the update time is randomized somewhere give or
 take some
 >>> hours around 2AM redmond time.
 >>>
 >>> Given the massive size of xbox one updates and his not having had
 >>> internet since he moved here, it seems to me 20gb is not alot, and
 it would
 >>> be inline during that timeframe that it was xbox games (not the
 system)
 >>> updating as it is designed
 >>>
 >>> am i understanding this xbox one updates system correctly?
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> --
 >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team
 >>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
 >>
 >>
 >
 >
 >
 > --
 > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as
 > part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

[Joshua Stump]

Well not to mention a lot more folks are buying games digitally now. New Tom 
Clancy game came out yesterday that was around 32gig…

 

We’ve definitely had a good amount of users complaining about slowness not 
realizing their xbox one was downloading in the background despite them 
thinking it was off.

 

Joshua Stump

Network Admin

  Fourway.NET

800-733-0062

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 3:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

 

He most likely installed a game.  XboxLive gold comes with free games monthly.  
You pick them and then they download in the background.  Here is the list of 
game sizes:

 

https://www.finder.com/xbox-one-install-sizes

 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Jeremy  > wrote:

+1 on this being a public list.  As far as XBoxOne goes, I have one.  The 
updates are HUGE.  The game installs are HUGE.  I turned off instant on, but 
then I have to wait for an update to install EVERY TIME that I play the 
console.  It is my understanding that it will download updates as they become 
available when either not in use, or in the background while playing.

 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Ty Featherling  > wrote:

Amen to that.

 

-Ty




 

 

-Ty

 

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:

I really wish this list *wasn't* publicly searchable. There's a lot of
things we talk about here that I wish those outside of our "circles"
didn't know about, or weren't privy too.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm

 > wrote:
> i cannot seem to find any time window referenced from microsoft other than
> night time, I assume its randomized, but would like to see that concrete.
> anybody have a link to that?
>
> not this one though
> https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/console/system-update-overview
>
>
> The following is enough for me, but this guys a douchbag already threatening
> to cancel service if we dont "fix" our accounting. If this list wasnt
> publicly searchable I would cut and paste the content of his fuckwittery. we
> are trying to get him to understand our accounting is accurate, because this
> will be an issue every time he goes to sleep
>
>
>
> How system updates work
>
> System updates vary depending on the power mode of your Xbox One console.
>
> Instant-On mode
> All countries outside of the European Union will default to Instant-On power
> mode. One of the features of Instant-On is the ability for your console to
> check for updates on a nightly basis. If an update is available, the system
> will download and install it while you sleep. After installation, the
> console will need to reboot, which will require full shutdown from sleep
> mode.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Eric Kuhnke   > wrote:
>>
>> not just system updates, a single game like fallout 4 can be a 25 to 30GB
>> download.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>  > wrote:
>>>

>>> so we installed a customer yesterday. hes complaining its not possible
>>> that he used 20gb overnight since he was asleep
>>>
>>> the tech said his xbox one wanted to update and he stopped it, hes saying
>>> he did update it and it was only a 500mb update
>>>
>>> he had a consistent 12mb download from around 1130pm to 3 am and again
>>> from 8 am to 9am this morning
>>>
>>> I verified wireless and ethernet counters on his SM (bridge mode) and the
>>> AP, as well as powercode accounting, they all match up
>>>
>>> reading about xbox one, it is defaultly in instant on mode outside the
>>> EU, in that mode all the games on the system update at night, as best i can
>>> tell from reading the update time is randomized somewhere give or take some
>>> hours around 2AM redmond time.
>>>
>>> Given the massive size of xbox one updates and his not having had
>>> internet since he moved here, it seems to me 20gb is not alot, and it would
>>> be inline during that timeframe that it was xbox games (not the system)
>>> updating as it is designed
>>>
>>> am i understanding this xbox one updates system correctly?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Which involves bending, cutting, providing a mounting method, and so on.
It's amazing how much a little piece of metal will cost.

But yeah, that's what I'm thinking if I go down that path.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> A blank cover plate?
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking about this as an option.  The question then becomes what to
>> do with the empty holes?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:
>>
>>> how about selling unit with 1 module set & allow us to expand to full
>>> capacity.
>>> that way I can standardize even small sites, which can grow..
>>>
>>> Roland
>>>
>>> > Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>>
>>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which
>>> we can
>>> work with. Domestic. Product looks decent. Price is right.
>>>
>>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>>> ports,
>>> so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this
>>> elephant out of the room
>>>
>>> So I need some input:
>>>
>>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>>> power
>>> injector. Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>>> control of
>>> power and sync. Probably some redundant power and other things built in,
>>> but
>>> I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on
>>> the
>>> front panel of the enclosure).
>>>
>>> PLEASE NOTE: The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
>>> I won't
>>> know what I can sell this for - as many of you know I try to price
>>> things at a
>>> fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>>
>>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>>
>>> Is 18 the correct number of ports? 18 is looking like about the most I
>>> can fit
>>> based on front panel dimensions. This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports
>>> (if
>>> you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).
>>>
>>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>>> quantities of
>>> ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>>
>>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>>> $800 is
>>> the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense
>>> to sell
>>> (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to
>>> this?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>>
>>> <
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[Jeremy]

A blank cover plate?

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'm thinking about this as an option.  The question then becomes what to
> do with the empty holes?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:
>
>> how about selling unit with 1 module set & allow us to expand to full
>> capacity.
>> that way I can standardize even small sites, which can grow..
>>
>> Roland
>>
>> > Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>
>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
>> can
>> work with. Domestic. Product looks decent. Price is right.
>>
>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>> ports,
>> so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this
>> elephant out of the room
>>
>> So I need some input:
>>
>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>> power
>> injector. Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>> control of
>> power and sync. Probably some redundant power and other things built in,
>> but
>> I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on
>> the
>> front panel of the enclosure).
>>
>> PLEASE NOTE: The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
>> I won't
>> know what I can sell this for - as many of you know I try to price things
>> at a
>> fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>
>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>
>> Is 18 the correct number of ports? 18 is looking like about the most I
>> can fit
>> based on front panel dimensions. This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports
>> (if
>> you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).
>>
>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>> quantities of
>> ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>
>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>> $800 is
>> the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to
>> sell
>> (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to
>> this?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>
>> <
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

[Jeremy]

He most likely installed a game.  XboxLive gold comes with free games
monthly.  You pick them and then they download in the background.  Here is
the list of game sizes:

https://www.finder.com/xbox-one-install-sizes

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> +1 on this being a public list.  As far as XBoxOne goes, I have one.  The
> updates are HUGE.  The game installs are HUGE.  I turned off instant on,
> but then I have to wait for an update to install EVERY TIME that I play the
> console.  It is my understanding that it will download updates as they
> become available when either not in use, or in the background while playing.
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
>
>> Amen to that.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I really wish this list *wasn't* publicly searchable. There's a lot of
>>> things we talk about here that I wish those outside of our "circles"
>>> didn't know about, or weren't privy too.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>  wrote:
>>> > i cannot seem to find any time window referenced from microsoft other
>>> than
>>> > night time, I assume its randomized, but would like to see that
>>> concrete.
>>> > anybody have a link to that?
>>> >
>>> > not this one though
>>> > https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/console/system-update-overview
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The following is enough for me, but this guys a douchbag already
>>> threatening
>>> > to cancel service if we dont "fix" our accounting. If this list wasnt
>>> > publicly searchable I would cut and paste the content of his
>>> fuckwittery. we
>>> > are trying to get him to understand our accounting is accurate,
>>> because this
>>> > will be an issue every time he goes to sleep
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > How system updates work
>>> >
>>> > System updates vary depending on the power mode of your Xbox One
>>> console.
>>> >
>>> > Instant-On mode
>>> > All countries outside of the European Union will default to Instant-On
>>> power
>>> > mode. One of the features of Instant-On is the ability for your
>>> console to
>>> > check for updates on a nightly basis. If an update is available, the
>>> system
>>> > will download and install it while you sleep. After installation, the
>>> > console will need to reboot, which will require full shutdown from
>>> sleep
>>> > mode.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> not just system updates, a single game like fallout 4 can be a 25 to
>>> 30GB
>>> >> download.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> so we installed a customer yesterday. hes complaining its not
>>> possible
>>> >>> that he used 20gb overnight since he was asleep
>>> >>>
>>> >>> the tech said his xbox one wanted to update and he stopped it, hes
>>> saying
>>> >>> he did update it and it was only a 500mb update
>>> >>>
>>> >>> he had a consistent 12mb download from around 1130pm to 3 am and
>>> again
>>> >>> from 8 am to 9am this morning
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I verified wireless and ethernet counters on his SM (bridge mode)
>>> and the
>>> >>> AP, as well as powercode accounting, they all match up
>>> >>>
>>> >>> reading about xbox one, it is defaultly in instant on mode outside
>>> the
>>> >>> EU, in that mode all the games on the system update at night, as
>>> best i can
>>> >>> tell from reading the update time is randomized somewhere give or
>>> take some
>>> >>> hours around 2AM redmond time.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Given the massive size of xbox one updates and his not having had
>>> >>> internet since he moved here, it seems to me 20gb is not alot, and
>>> it would
>>> >>> be inline during that timeframe that it was xbox games (not the
>>> system)
>>> >>> updating as it is designed
>>> >>>
>>> >>> am i understanding this xbox one updates system correctly?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>>> team
>>> >>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>>> team as
>>> > part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I'm thinking about this as an option.  The question then becomes what to do
with the empty holes?



On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Roland Houin  wrote:

> how about selling unit with 1 module set & allow us to expand to full
> capacity.
> that way I can standardize even small sites, which can grow..
>
> Roland
>
> > Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>
> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
> can
> work with. Domestic. Product looks decent. Price is right.
>
> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
> ports,
> so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this
> elephant out of the room
>
> So I need some input:
>
> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
> power
> injector. Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port control
> of
> power and sync. Probably some redundant power and other things built in,
> but
> I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on
> the
> front panel of the enclosure).
>
> PLEASE NOTE: The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed I
> won't
> know what I can sell this for - as many of you know I try to price things
> at a
> fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>
> The main questions I have for the list are:
>
> Is 18 the correct number of ports? 18 is looking like about the most I can
> fit
> based on front panel dimensions. This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports
> (if
> you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).
>
> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
> quantities of
> ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>
> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
> $800 is
> the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to
> sell
> (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to
> this?
>
> --
>
> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
>
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>
> <
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

[Jeremy]

+1 on this being a public list.  As far as XBoxOne goes, I have one.  The
updates are HUGE.  The game installs are HUGE.  I turned off instant on,
but then I have to wait for an update to install EVERY TIME that I play the
console.  It is my understanding that it will download updates as they
become available when either not in use, or in the background while playing.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Ty Featherling 
wrote:

> Amen to that.
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> I really wish this list *wasn't* publicly searchable. There's a lot of
>> things we talk about here that I wish those outside of our "circles"
>> didn't know about, or weren't privy too.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>  wrote:
>> > i cannot seem to find any time window referenced from microsoft other
>> than
>> > night time, I assume its randomized, but would like to see that
>> concrete.
>> > anybody have a link to that?
>> >
>> > not this one though
>> > https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/console/system-update-overview
>> >
>> >
>> > The following is enough for me, but this guys a douchbag already
>> threatening
>> > to cancel service if we dont "fix" our accounting. If this list wasnt
>> > publicly searchable I would cut and paste the content of his
>> fuckwittery. we
>> > are trying to get him to understand our accounting is accurate, because
>> this
>> > will be an issue every time he goes to sleep
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > How system updates work
>> >
>> > System updates vary depending on the power mode of your Xbox One
>> console.
>> >
>> > Instant-On mode
>> > All countries outside of the European Union will default to Instant-On
>> power
>> > mode. One of the features of Instant-On is the ability for your console
>> to
>> > check for updates on a nightly basis. If an update is available, the
>> system
>> > will download and install it while you sleep. After installation, the
>> > console will need to reboot, which will require full shutdown from sleep
>> > mode.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> not just system updates, a single game like fallout 4 can be a 25 to
>> 30GB
>> >> download.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>> >>  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> so we installed a customer yesterday. hes complaining its not possible
>> >>> that he used 20gb overnight since he was asleep
>> >>>
>> >>> the tech said his xbox one wanted to update and he stopped it, hes
>> saying
>> >>> he did update it and it was only a 500mb update
>> >>>
>> >>> he had a consistent 12mb download from around 1130pm to 3 am and again
>> >>> from 8 am to 9am this morning
>> >>>
>> >>> I verified wireless and ethernet counters on his SM (bridge mode) and
>> the
>> >>> AP, as well as powercode accounting, they all match up
>> >>>
>> >>> reading about xbox one, it is defaultly in instant on mode outside the
>> >>> EU, in that mode all the games on the system update at night, as best
>> i can
>> >>> tell from reading the update time is randomized somewhere give or
>> take some
>> >>> hours around 2AM redmond time.
>> >>>
>> >>> Given the massive size of xbox one updates and his not having had
>> >>> internet since he moved here, it seems to me 20gb is not alot, and it
>> would
>> >>> be inline during that timeframe that it was xbox games (not the
>> system)
>> >>> updating as it is designed
>> >>>
>> >>> am i understanding this xbox one updates system correctly?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team
>> >>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>> team as
>> > part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

How about one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Raxxess-RAX-Unitray-Universal-Rack/dp/B0007OGTGS

And a roll of this:
http://www.amazon.com/Velcro-Products-Industrial-Sticky-Back-positioning/dp/B004E2IADO

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can tell you if you had a 1U or 2U blank that we could pull the guts
> from our existing 4 port syncinjectors, and a single blank for the guts of
> a sitemnitor, and sold the existing 4 port injectors with a spare sticker,
> id be pig in shit happy.
> If you had that, Id still pay the current cost of the syncinjectors, and
> you could keep the housings
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>>
>> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
>> can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>>
>> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
>> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
>> this elephant out of the room
>>
>>  So I need some input:
>>
>> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
>> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
>> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
>> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
>> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>>
>> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
>> I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price
>> things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>>
>> The main questions I have for the list are:
>>
>> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
>> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
>> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
>> time).
>>
>> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
>> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>>
>> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
>> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
>> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
>> addition to this?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[Peter Kranz]

18 ports sounds reasonable to me, it will fit the needs to most any site. I 
could see myself buying 2 units and stacking them such that 50% of my APs were 
connected to unit #1 and 50% connected to unit #2.

 

On pricing, if you don’t require sync, this unit would somewhat compete with 
the UBNT EdgeSwitch, ES-16-150W, that unit is $300 for 16 24V and PoE+ ports. 
But it does lack several features you provide.

 

The alternative Netonix WS-12-400AC is $399.95

 

So the $800 price is a great deal compared to the CTM-2 product, but about 
double the UBNT and Netonix competitor.

 

I think the uplift from $400 to $800 would be worth it if it supported more 
voltage standards than the UBNT product, and provided redundant power options 
that both of those devices lacked.

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 11:41 AM
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

 

Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening. 

 

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we can 
work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.

 

Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of ports, 
so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this 
elephant out of the room  

 

 So I need some input:

 

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount power 
injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port control of 
power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things built in, but 
I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on the 
front panel of the enclosure).

 

PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed I 
won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price 
things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.

 

The main questions I have for the list are:

 

Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I can 
fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports 
(if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).   

 

Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller quantities of 
ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.   

 

I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for $800 is 
the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to sell 
(as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to this?   

 




 

-- 


Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

  forre...@imach.com |   
http://www.packetflux.com

       
 

     

   

 

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[Paul McCall]

+1

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Roland Houin
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 3:16 PM
To: afmug
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

how about selling unit with 1 module set & allow us to expand to full capacity.
that way I can standardize even small sites, which can grow..

Roland

> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we can 
work with. Domestic. Product looks decent. Price is right.

Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of ports, 
so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this 
elephant out of the room

So I need some input:

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount power 
injector. Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port control of 
power and sync. Probably some redundant power and other things built in, but 
I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on the 
front panel of the enclosure).

PLEASE NOTE: The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed I 
won't know what I can sell this for - as many of you know I try to price things 
at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.

The main questions I have for the list are:

Is 18 the correct number of ports? 18 is looking like about the most I can fit 
based on front panel dimensions. This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports (if 
you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).

Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller quantities of 
ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.

I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for $800 is 
the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to sell 
(as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to this?

--

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

<

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[George Skorup]

I could go either way. 4x4 for 16 or 6x3 for 18. More ports is always 
cool. I guess whatever makes the most sense to you would be fine with me.


This really comes down to being able to power just about anything 
imaginable... except for Trango's crazy licensed POE scheme, power 
consumption and -48. Which is fine, I'll do something else for those.


I can make use of the 12-port DIN mount at many sites. And this rack 
mount for the bigger sites is icing on the cake. This will let me get 
rid of all the fuses and really simplify the wiring. So I'm in.


Are you planning for this to be a SiteMonitor + SyncInjector in the same 
chassis all integrated? An expansion bus would definitely be needed. 
Unless you're designing this more like the stand-alone generator 
controller?


On 3/8/2016 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which 
we can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.


Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number 
of ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and 
hopefully get this elephant out of the room


 So I need some input:

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port 
rackmount power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per 
port. Per-port control of power and sync. Probably some redundant 
power and other things built in, but I'm still nailing those details 
down (a lot of it comes down to space on the front panel of the 
enclosure).


PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design 
completed I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know 
I try to price things at a fair price as opposed to what the market 
will bear.


The main questions I have for the list are:

Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most 
I can fit based on front panel dimensions. This corresponds to 3 
blocks of 6 ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd 
replace 6 at a time).


Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller 
quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.


I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for 
$800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it 
make sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead 
of or in addition to this?




--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

[Ty Featherling]

Amen to that.

-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I really wish this list *wasn't* publicly searchable. There's a lot of
> things we talk about here that I wish those outside of our "circles"
> didn't know about, or weren't privy too.
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>  wrote:
> > i cannot seem to find any time window referenced from microsoft other
> than
> > night time, I assume its randomized, but would like to see that concrete.
> > anybody have a link to that?
> >
> > not this one though
> > https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/console/system-update-overview
> >
> >
> > The following is enough for me, but this guys a douchbag already
> threatening
> > to cancel service if we dont "fix" our accounting. If this list wasnt
> > publicly searchable I would cut and paste the content of his
> fuckwittery. we
> > are trying to get him to understand our accounting is accurate, because
> this
> > will be an issue every time he goes to sleep
> >
> >
> >
> > How system updates work
> >
> > System updates vary depending on the power mode of your Xbox One console.
> >
> > Instant-On mode
> > All countries outside of the European Union will default to Instant-On
> power
> > mode. One of the features of Instant-On is the ability for your console
> to
> > check for updates on a nightly basis. If an update is available, the
> system
> > will download and install it while you sleep. After installation, the
> > console will need to reboot, which will require full shutdown from sleep
> > mode.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> not just system updates, a single game like fallout 4 can be a 25 to
> 30GB
> >> download.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> so we installed a customer yesterday. hes complaining its not possible
> >>> that he used 20gb overnight since he was asleep
> >>>
> >>> the tech said his xbox one wanted to update and he stopped it, hes
> saying
> >>> he did update it and it was only a 500mb update
> >>>
> >>> he had a consistent 12mb download from around 1130pm to 3 am and again
> >>> from 8 am to 9am this morning
> >>>
> >>> I verified wireless and ethernet counters on his SM (bridge mode) and
> the
> >>> AP, as well as powercode accounting, they all match up
> >>>
> >>> reading about xbox one, it is defaultly in instant on mode outside the
> >>> EU, in that mode all the games on the system update at night, as best
> i can
> >>> tell from reading the update time is randomized somewhere give or take
> some
> >>> hours around 2AM redmond time.
> >>>
> >>> Given the massive size of xbox one updates and his not having had
> >>> internet since he moved here, it seems to me 20gb is not alot, and it
> would
> >>> be inline during that timeframe that it was xbox games (not the system)
> >>> updating as it is designed
> >>>
> >>> am i understanding this xbox one updates system correctly?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team
> >>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as
> > part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[Roland Houin]

how about selling unit with 1 module set & allow us to expand to full capacity.
that way I can standardize even small sites, which can grow..

Roland

> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we can
work with. Domestic. Product looks decent. Price is right.

Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of ports,
so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get this
elephant out of the room

So I need some input:

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount power
injector. Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port control of
power and sync. Probably some redundant power and other things built in, but
I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down to space on the
front panel of the enclosure).

PLEASE NOTE: The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed I won't
know what I can sell this for - as many of you know I try to price things at a
fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.

The main questions I have for the list are:

Is 18 the correct number of ports? 18 is looking like about the most I can fit
based on front panel dimensions. This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6 ports (if
you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a time).

Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller quantities of
ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.

I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for $800 is
the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense to sell
(as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in addition to this?

--

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

<

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

[Eric Kuhnke]

Forrest can correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like certification is
necessary if you take a 'raw' module from Sierra Wireless or a competitor
and integrate it into your product and are talking to it by AT commands.

If you buy a wholly integrated radio product such as an HSPA+/LTE modem
that has a 100/1000 Mbps Ethernet interface, or a USB interface, the device
itself is already certified. At which point you just need to integrate it
into your product using the ethernet port or USB.

Or for example the HSPA+/LTE HWIC which you can put in a Cisco 2900 or 3900
series router. It is already certified. You just have to attach a pair of
antennas and some 50 ohm coax to it.

http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/interfaces-modules/4g-lte-wireless-wan-enhanced-high-speed-wan-interface-card/datasheet_c78-710314.html



On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> What about a USB LTE adapter, and give your unit a USB port?
>
> I'm saying this from the comfort of my armchair, so maybe that's too hard
> / too stupid.
>
>
>
> On 3/8/2016 3:02 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Pre-certified does not mean permitted on a network.
>
> If you buy the sierra gateway solutions which is an all-in-one box, this
> is considered a product, and the hoops have been jumped through by sierra
> wireless.
>
> On the other hand the 'modules' generally are pre-certified, but are not
> considered a finished product which means you have to go through a 'light'
> version of PTCRB testing.See the article at
> http://www.ecnmag.com/article/2012/07/cellular-carrier-certification-requirements
> , this sums it up pretty well.   The thing that has changed for me is the
> cost of the AT certification even with a pre-certified "almost automatic"
> approval, was really expensive until recently.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> If you were to take a module from Sierra Wireless, aren't those pretty
>> much all pre-certified?
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I still want everyone else's answer to this... but I'll add my $0.02:
>>>  (I guess what I'm saying is I don't want to hijack this threadsince
>>> I'm interested in everyone's answers.)
>>>
>>> I've been looking at adding a product to the PacketFlux line which uses
>>> a cellular modem to manage it.  The hold up until recently has been the
>>> arrogance of the cellular companies, especially in the US.   Getting a
>>> cellular modem module and integrating it isn't a big issue for us (I've
>>> been playing with this for a while).   Jumping through the hoops the
>>> cellular companies require for this IS a big deal, and historically has
>>> cost a lot of money.   It is amazing how you can take a module which the
>>> cellular companies have pre-approved on their network, but it still costs
>>> $20K to certify a product which uses the module as it was intended to be
>>> permitted to talk on their network.  Add a SKU?  Another 10K, even if it's
>>> virtually identical hardware.
>>>
>>> Recently AT has softened their policies on this to permit
>>> pre-certified modules on the network (supposedly) without jumping through
>>> the expensive hoops.   So, this may be happening sooner than I would have
>>> expected.   I sort of am envisioning some sort of hybrid connection to the
>>> sitemonitor line, plus ability to control other devices via snmp or telnet.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 For example with HSPA+/LTE modems, to have proper OOB into the routers
 at a crucial POP.

 $6/mo per active SIM card is pretty cheap for M2M data SIMs, though the
 $/MB rate is not the best. But for the application I have in mind it would
 be console SSH traffic, which is super low bandwidth.

 https://ting.com/rates

 For LTE they're an MVNO on AT and T-Mobile.

 Looking at the FAQ they say that the data usage can be limited and
 monitored on a per-device basis, which could be useful.




>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com |  
> http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

[Jason McKemie]

Ting is pretty tasty:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61iA0yqvJdL._SX425_.jpg

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Ting's app / website is awesome. You can have it send alerts once
> voice/sms/data gets to certain levels, and even shut each service off
> per number as it gets to a certain point to prevent the bill from
> getting too high. Pretty sure you can also remotely enable/disable
> services on the fly.
>
> I had a support chat with Ting this weekend, and have been talking to
> their engineering and marketing teams. They are also rolling out 1Gbps
> FTTH service in 3 markets right now.
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> > For example with HSPA+/LTE modems, to have proper OOB into the routers
> at a
> > crucial POP.
> >
> > $6/mo per active SIM card is pretty cheap for M2M data SIMs, though the
> $/MB
> > rate is not the best. But for the application I have in mind it would be
> > console SSH traffic, which is super low bandwidth.
> >
> > https://ting.com/rates
> >
> > For LTE they're an MVNO on AT and T-Mobile.
> >
> > Looking at the FAQ they say that the data usage can be limited and
> monitored
> > on a per-device basis, which could be useful.
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

[Josh Reynolds]

Ah-hah. Carry on then good sir, and I shall go back to my home under yon
bridge :)
On Mar 8, 2016 2:06 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Actually, the industry which is driving this for us isn't the WISP
> industry.  Instead, it's the off-grid solar people who want their cell
> phone to beep when their solar system is having issues
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Unless you can beat the price of doing it with a r-pi w/ usb 3g/4g modem
>> or mikrotik routerboard with 3g/4g usb, then I wouldn't even worry about
>> it. The feature set and price would have to be truly impressive for me to
>> consider it over those 2 other solutions.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I still want everyone else's answer to this... but I'll add my $0.02:
>>>  (I guess what I'm saying is I don't want to hijack this threadsince
>>> I'm interested in everyone's answers.)
>>>
>>> I've been looking at adding a product to the PacketFlux line which uses
>>> a cellular modem to manage it.  The hold up until recently has been the
>>> arrogance of the cellular companies, especially in the US.   Getting a
>>> cellular modem module and integrating it isn't a big issue for us (I've
>>> been playing with this for a while).   Jumping through the hoops the
>>> cellular companies require for this IS a big deal, and historically has
>>> cost a lot of money.   It is amazing how you can take a module which the
>>> cellular companies have pre-approved on their network, but it still costs
>>> $20K to certify a product which uses the module as it was intended to be
>>> permitted to talk on their network.  Add a SKU?  Another 10K, even if it's
>>> virtually identical hardware.
>>>
>>> Recently AT has softened their policies on this to permit
>>> pre-certified modules on the network (supposedly) without jumping through
>>> the expensive hoops.   So, this may be happening sooner than I would have
>>> expected.   I sort of am envisioning some sort of hybrid connection to the
>>> sitemonitor line, plus ability to control other devices via snmp or telnet.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 For example with HSPA+/LTE modems, to have proper OOB into the routers
 at a crucial POP.

 $6/mo per active SIM card is pretty cheap for M2M data SIMs, though the
 $/MB rate is not the best. But for the application I have in mind it would
 be console SSH traffic, which is super low bandwidth.

 https://ting.com/rates

 For LTE they're an MVNO on AT and T-Mobile.

 Looking at the FAQ they say that the data usage can be limited and
 monitored on a per-device basis, which could be useful.




>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I can tell you if you had a 1U or 2U blank that we could pull the guts from
our existing 4 port syncinjectors, and a single blank for the guts of a
sitemnitor, and sold the existing 4 port injectors with a spare sticker, id
be pig in shit happy.
If you had that, Id still pay the current cost of the syncinjectors, and
you could keep the housings

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.
>
> We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
> can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.
>
> Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
> ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
> this elephant out of the room
>
>  So I need some input:
>
> The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
> power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
> control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
> built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
> to space on the front panel of the enclosure).
>
> PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed
> I won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price
> things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.
>
> The main questions I have for the list are:
>
> Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
> can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
> ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
> time).
>
> Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
> quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.
>
> I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for
> $800 is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make
> sense to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
> addition to this?
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Actually, the industry which is driving this for us isn't the WISP
industry.  Instead, it's the off-grid solar people who want their cell
phone to beep when their solar system is having issues

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Unless you can beat the price of doing it with a r-pi w/ usb 3g/4g modem
> or mikrotik routerboard with 3g/4g usb, then I wouldn't even worry about
> it. The feature set and price would have to be truly impressive for me to
> consider it over those 2 other solutions.
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I still want everyone else's answer to this... but I'll add my $0.02:  (I
>> guess what I'm saying is I don't want to hijack this threadsince I'm
>> interested in everyone's answers.)
>>
>> I've been looking at adding a product to the PacketFlux line which uses a
>> cellular modem to manage it.  The hold up until recently has been the
>> arrogance of the cellular companies, especially in the US.   Getting a
>> cellular modem module and integrating it isn't a big issue for us (I've
>> been playing with this for a while).   Jumping through the hoops the
>> cellular companies require for this IS a big deal, and historically has
>> cost a lot of money.   It is amazing how you can take a module which the
>> cellular companies have pre-approved on their network, but it still costs
>> $20K to certify a product which uses the module as it was intended to be
>> permitted to talk on their network.  Add a SKU?  Another 10K, even if it's
>> virtually identical hardware.
>>
>> Recently AT has softened their policies on this to permit pre-certified
>> modules on the network (supposedly) without jumping through the expensive
>> hoops.   So, this may be happening sooner than I would have expected.   I
>> sort of am envisioning some sort of hybrid connection to the sitemonitor
>> line, plus ability to control other devices via snmp or telnet.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For example with HSPA+/LTE modems, to have proper OOB into the routers
>>> at a crucial POP.
>>>
>>> $6/mo per active SIM card is pretty cheap for M2M data SIMs, though the
>>> $/MB rate is not the best. But for the application I have in mind it would
>>> be console SSH traffic, which is super low bandwidth.
>>>
>>> https://ting.com/rates
>>>
>>> For LTE they're an MVNO on AT and T-Mobile.
>>>
>>> Looking at the FAQ they say that the data usage can be limited and
>>> monitored on a per-device basis, which could be useful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Pre-certified does not mean permitted on a network.

If you buy the sierra gateway solutions which is an all-in-one box, this is
considered a product, and the hoops have been jumped through by sierra
wireless.

On the other hand the 'modules' generally are pre-certified, but are not
considered a finished product which means you have to go through a 'light'
version of PTCRB testing.See the article at
http://www.ecnmag.com/article/2012/07/cellular-carrier-certification-requirements
, this sums it up pretty well.   The thing that has changed for me is the
cost of the AT certification even with a pre-certified "almost automatic"
approval, was really expensive until recently.


On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> If you were to take a module from Sierra Wireless, aren't those pretty
> much all pre-certified?
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I still want everyone else's answer to this... but I'll add my $0.02:  (I
>> guess what I'm saying is I don't want to hijack this threadsince I'm
>> interested in everyone's answers.)
>>
>> I've been looking at adding a product to the PacketFlux line which uses a
>> cellular modem to manage it.  The hold up until recently has been the
>> arrogance of the cellular companies, especially in the US.   Getting a
>> cellular modem module and integrating it isn't a big issue for us (I've
>> been playing with this for a while).   Jumping through the hoops the
>> cellular companies require for this IS a big deal, and historically has
>> cost a lot of money.   It is amazing how you can take a module which the
>> cellular companies have pre-approved on their network, but it still costs
>> $20K to certify a product which uses the module as it was intended to be
>> permitted to talk on their network.  Add a SKU?  Another 10K, even if it's
>> virtually identical hardware.
>>
>> Recently AT has softened their policies on this to permit pre-certified
>> modules on the network (supposedly) without jumping through the expensive
>> hoops.   So, this may be happening sooner than I would have expected.   I
>> sort of am envisioning some sort of hybrid connection to the sitemonitor
>> line, plus ability to control other devices via snmp or telnet.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For example with HSPA+/LTE modems, to have proper OOB into the routers
>>> at a crucial POP.
>>>
>>> $6/mo per active SIM card is pretty cheap for M2M data SIMs, though the
>>> $/MB rate is not the best. But for the application I have in mind it would
>>> be console SSH traffic, which is super low bandwidth.
>>>
>>> https://ting.com/rates
>>>
>>> For LTE they're an MVNO on AT and T-Mobile.
>>>
>>> Looking at the FAQ they say that the data usage can be limited and
>>> monitored on a per-device basis, which could be useful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I just realized I forgot to add

Ting appears to be a Sprint and/or T-mobile MVNO.   This means that any
device needs to be certified by Sprint and/or T-mobile for their network.
Which means the hoops might still exist for Ting devices...

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:50 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I still want everyone else's answer to this... but I'll add my $0.02:  (I
> guess what I'm saying is I don't want to hijack this threadsince I'm
> interested in everyone's answers.)
>
> I've been looking at adding a product to the PacketFlux line which uses a
> cellular modem to manage it.  The hold up until recently has been the
> arrogance of the cellular companies, especially in the US.   Getting a
> cellular modem module and integrating it isn't a big issue for us (I've
> been playing with this for a while).   Jumping through the hoops the
> cellular companies require for this IS a big deal, and historically has
> cost a lot of money.   It is amazing how you can take a module which the
> cellular companies have pre-approved on their network, but it still costs
> $20K to certify a product which uses the module as it was intended to be
> permitted to talk on their network.  Add a SKU?  Another 10K, even if it's
> virtually identical hardware.
>
> Recently AT has softened their policies on this to permit pre-certified
> modules on the network (supposedly) without jumping through the expensive
> hoops.   So, this may be happening sooner than I would have expected.   I
> sort of am envisioning some sort of hybrid connection to the sitemonitor
> line, plus ability to control other devices via snmp or telnet.
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> For example with HSPA+/LTE modems, to have proper OOB into the routers at
>> a crucial POP.
>>
>> $6/mo per active SIM card is pretty cheap for M2M data SIMs, though the
>> $/MB rate is not the best. But for the application I have in mind it would
>> be console SSH traffic, which is super low bandwidth.
>>
>> https://ting.com/rates
>>
>> For LTE they're an MVNO on AT and T-Mobile.
>>
>> Looking at the FAQ they say that the data usage can be limited and
>> monitored on a per-device basis, which could be useful.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor

[Josh Reynolds]

Are you graphing the stations / APs in AirControl2 or similar? This can
help diagnose the problem.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> CCQ% is 95-98%.But it doesn’t mean it’s not an interference issue.
> I’ve seen Mikrotik do serious damage to Ubiquiti.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 12:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor
>
>
>
> Yes, substantial interference will cause this, even on 5GHz. It could be
> noise at the AP, but only if all stations having high CCQs. If not, the
> CPEs are seeing another signal that either has very high signal or is on a
> near or overlapping frequency.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:53 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
> Rory, I think you're seeing somewhat normal operation from the UBNT
> radios. The AP heard nothing from that CPE in a while so it tore down the
> session. CPE still thinks it's registered. AP says nope. Could be
> interference. We saw this all the time in the 2.4 band w/ UBNT radios.
>
>
>
> On 3/8/2016 9:03 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> I haven’t seen one on a Ubiquiti AP which is why I asked but when I get
> back in town next week, I’m going to set it up so I can see how it works.
> Our Xirrus radios have that feature.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 6:02 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor
>
>
>
> When a deauth is happening, the laptop doing the deauth impersonates the
> AP, telling the client to disconnect. What I see below doesn't look like a
> deauth attack.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"timothy steele" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 8, 2016 6:28:42 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor
>
> 04:18:d6:e4:c0:15 Is a ubnt Mac sure you don't own that Mac? In the client
> list you should see it pop up now and then maybe pop up a fake ap with same
> said with passphrase ubnt should connect then you can get into the network
> of who ever is doing it
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016, 7:14 AM Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
> are you running 802.11n or airmax?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:44 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> I’m almost done doing that.  This should be interesting.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, March 07, 2016 9:55 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor
>
>
>
> Change your ssid and hide it...
>
> On Mar 7, 2016 9:05 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> Received disassoc from 04:18:d6:e4:c0:15. Reason: Disassociated because
> sending STA is leaving (or has left) BSS (8).
>
> Feb 13 07:17:43 wireless: ath0 STA-TRAFFIC-STAT mac=04:18:d6:e4:c0:15
> rx_packets=633675 rx_bytes=116857546 tx_packets=2225222 tx_bytes=3041234063
>
> Feb 13 07:17:43 wireless: ath0 Expired node:04:18:D6:E4:C0:15
>
> Feb 13 07:17:43 hostapd: ath0: STA 04:18:d6:e4:c0:15 IEEE 802.11:
> disassociated
>
> Feb 13 07:17:43 wireless: ath0 Sending deauth to 04:18:d6:e4:c0:15.
> Reason: Class 2 frame received from nonauthenticated STA (
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, March 07, 2016 9:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor
>
>
>
> I have a couple of customers off the same Ubiquiti Rocket 5 AP that have
> been having an issue the last couple days with going offline for a short
> time and then reconnecting and 

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

[Josh Reynolds]

Unless you can beat the price of doing it with a r-pi w/ usb 3g/4g modem or
mikrotik routerboard with 3g/4g usb, then I wouldn't even worry about it.
The feature set and price would have to be truly impressive for me to
consider it over those 2 other solutions.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:50 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I still want everyone else's answer to this... but I'll add my $0.02:  (I
> guess what I'm saying is I don't want to hijack this threadsince I'm
> interested in everyone's answers.)
>
> I've been looking at adding a product to the PacketFlux line which uses a
> cellular modem to manage it.  The hold up until recently has been the
> arrogance of the cellular companies, especially in the US.   Getting a
> cellular modem module and integrating it isn't a big issue for us (I've
> been playing with this for a while).   Jumping through the hoops the
> cellular companies require for this IS a big deal, and historically has
> cost a lot of money.   It is amazing how you can take a module which the
> cellular companies have pre-approved on their network, but it still costs
> $20K to certify a product which uses the module as it was intended to be
> permitted to talk on their network.  Add a SKU?  Another 10K, even if it's
> virtually identical hardware.
>
> Recently AT has softened their policies on this to permit pre-certified
> modules on the network (supposedly) without jumping through the expensive
> hoops.   So, this may be happening sooner than I would have expected.   I
> sort of am envisioning some sort of hybrid connection to the sitemonitor
> line, plus ability to control other devices via snmp or telnet.
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> For example with HSPA+/LTE modems, to have proper OOB into the routers at
>> a crucial POP.
>>
>> $6/mo per active SIM card is pretty cheap for M2M data SIMs, though the
>> $/MB rate is not the best. But for the application I have in mind it would
>> be console SSH traffic, which is super low bandwidth.
>>
>> https://ting.com/rates
>>
>> For LTE they're an MVNO on AT and T-Mobile.
>>
>> Looking at the FAQ they say that the data usage can be limited and
>> monitored on a per-device basis, which could be useful.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

[Eric Kuhnke]

If you were to take a module from Sierra Wireless, aren't those pretty much
all pre-certified?

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:50 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I still want everyone else's answer to this... but I'll add my $0.02:  (I
> guess what I'm saying is I don't want to hijack this threadsince I'm
> interested in everyone's answers.)
>
> I've been looking at adding a product to the PacketFlux line which uses a
> cellular modem to manage it.  The hold up until recently has been the
> arrogance of the cellular companies, especially in the US.   Getting a
> cellular modem module and integrating it isn't a big issue for us (I've
> been playing with this for a while).   Jumping through the hoops the
> cellular companies require for this IS a big deal, and historically has
> cost a lot of money.   It is amazing how you can take a module which the
> cellular companies have pre-approved on their network, but it still costs
> $20K to certify a product which uses the module as it was intended to be
> permitted to talk on their network.  Add a SKU?  Another 10K, even if it's
> virtually identical hardware.
>
> Recently AT has softened their policies on this to permit pre-certified
> modules on the network (supposedly) without jumping through the expensive
> hoops.   So, this may be happening sooner than I would have expected.   I
> sort of am envisioning some sort of hybrid connection to the sitemonitor
> line, plus ability to control other devices via snmp or telnet.
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> For example with HSPA+/LTE modems, to have proper OOB into the routers at
>> a crucial POP.
>>
>> $6/mo per active SIM card is pretty cheap for M2M data SIMs, though the
>> $/MB rate is not the best. But for the application I have in mind it would
>> be console SSH traffic, which is super low bandwidth.
>>
>> https://ting.com/rates
>>
>> For LTE they're an MVNO on AT and T-Mobile.
>>
>> Looking at the FAQ they say that the data usage can be limited and
>> monitored on a per-device basis, which could be useful.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I still want everyone else's answer to this... but I'll add my $0.02:  (I
guess what I'm saying is I don't want to hijack this threadsince I'm
interested in everyone's answers.)

I've been looking at adding a product to the PacketFlux line which uses a
cellular modem to manage it.  The hold up until recently has been the
arrogance of the cellular companies, especially in the US.   Getting a
cellular modem module and integrating it isn't a big issue for us (I've
been playing with this for a while).   Jumping through the hoops the
cellular companies require for this IS a big deal, and historically has
cost a lot of money.   It is amazing how you can take a module which the
cellular companies have pre-approved on their network, but it still costs
$20K to certify a product which uses the module as it was intended to be
permitted to talk on their network.  Add a SKU?  Another 10K, even if it's
virtually identical hardware.

Recently AT has softened their policies on this to permit pre-certified
modules on the network (supposedly) without jumping through the expensive
hoops.   So, this may be happening sooner than I would have expected.   I
sort of am envisioning some sort of hybrid connection to the sitemonitor
line, plus ability to control other devices via snmp or telnet.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> For example with HSPA+/LTE modems, to have proper OOB into the routers at
> a crucial POP.
>
> $6/mo per active SIM card is pretty cheap for M2M data SIMs, though the
> $/MB rate is not the best. But for the application I have in mind it would
> be console SSH traffic, which is super low bandwidth.
>
> https://ting.com/rates
>
> For LTE they're an MVNO on AT and T-Mobile.
>
> Looking at the FAQ they say that the data usage can be limited and
> monitored on a per-device basis, which could be useful.
>
>
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor

[Rory Conaway]

CCQ% is 95-98%.But it doesn’t mean it’s not an interference issue.  I’ve 
seen Mikrotik do serious damage to Ubiquiti.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 12:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor

Yes, substantial interference will cause this, even on 5GHz. It could be noise 
at the AP, but only if all stations having high CCQs. If not, the CPEs are 
seeing another signal that either has very high signal or is on a near or 
overlapping frequency.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:53 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
Rory, I think you're seeing somewhat normal operation from the UBNT radios. The 
AP heard nothing from that CPE in a while so it tore down the session. CPE 
still thinks it's registered. AP says nope. Could be interference. We saw this 
all the time in the 2.4 band w/ UBNT radios.

On 3/8/2016 9:03 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
I haven’t seen one on a Ubiquiti AP which is why I asked but when I get back in 
town next week, I’m going to set it up so I can see how it works.  Our Xirrus 
radios have that feature.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 6:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor

When a deauth is happening, the laptop doing the deauth impersonates the AP, 
telling the client to disconnect. What I see below doesn't look like a deauth 
attack.


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From: "timothy steele" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2016 6:28:42 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor

04:18:d6:e4:c0:15 Is a ubnt Mac sure you don't own that Mac? In the client list 
you should see it pop up now and then maybe pop up a fake ap with same said 
with passphrase ubnt should connect then you can get into the network of who 
ever is doing it

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016, 7:14 AM Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
are you running 802.11n or airmax?

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:44 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
I’m almost done doing that.  This should be interesting.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 9:55 PM
To: Animal Farm >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor


Change your ssid and hide it...
On Mar 7, 2016 9:05 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
Received disassoc from 04:18:d6:e4:c0:15. Reason: Disassociated because sending 
STA is leaving (or has left) BSS (8).
Feb 13 07:17:43 wireless: ath0 STA-TRAFFIC-STAT mac=04:18:d6:e4:c0:15 
rx_packets=633675 rx_bytes=116857546 tx_packets=2225222 tx_bytes=3041234063
Feb 13 07:17:43 wireless: ath0 Expired node:04:18:D6:E4:C0:15
Feb 13 07:17:43 hostapd: ath0: STA 04:18:d6:e4:c0:15 IEEE 802.11: disassociated
Feb 13 07:17:43 wireless: ath0 Sending deauth to 04:18:d6:e4:c0:15. Reason: 
Class 2 frame received from nonauthenticated STA (

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 9:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor

I have a couple of customers off the same Ubiquiti Rocket 5 AP that have been 
having an issue the last couple days with going offline for a short time and 
then reconnecting and coming back online.  I pull the logs on the AP and see a 
bunch of handshaking and several of these.  I’m pretty sure this is what 
happens when an enterprise radio does Rogue Access Point Suppression.  Am I 
reading this right or is there something I’m not aware of like a bad CPE 

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

[Josh Reynolds]

Ting's app / website is awesome. You can have it send alerts once
voice/sms/data gets to certain levels, and even shut each service off
per number as it gets to a certain point to prevent the bill from
getting too high. Pretty sure you can also remotely enable/disable
services on the fly.

I had a support chat with Ting this weekend, and have been talking to
their engineering and marketing teams. They are also rolling out 1Gbps
FTTH service in 3 markets right now.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> For example with HSPA+/LTE modems, to have proper OOB into the routers at a
> crucial POP.
>
> $6/mo per active SIM card is pretty cheap for M2M data SIMs, though the $/MB
> rate is not the best. But for the application I have in mind it would be
> console SSH traffic, which is super low bandwidth.
>
> https://ting.com/rates
>
> For LTE they're an MVNO on AT and T-Mobile.
>
> Looking at the FAQ they say that the data usage can be limited and monitored
> on a per-device basis, which could be useful.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

[Josh Reynolds]

I really wish this list *wasn't* publicly searchable. There's a lot of
things we talk about here that I wish those outside of our "circles"
didn't know about, or weren't privy too.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:
> i cannot seem to find any time window referenced from microsoft other than
> night time, I assume its randomized, but would like to see that concrete.
> anybody have a link to that?
>
> not this one though
> https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/console/system-update-overview
>
>
> The following is enough for me, but this guys a douchbag already threatening
> to cancel service if we dont "fix" our accounting. If this list wasnt
> publicly searchable I would cut and paste the content of his fuckwittery. we
> are trying to get him to understand our accounting is accurate, because this
> will be an issue every time he goes to sleep
>
>
>
> How system updates work
>
> System updates vary depending on the power mode of your Xbox One console.
>
> Instant-On mode
> All countries outside of the European Union will default to Instant-On power
> mode. One of the features of Instant-On is the ability for your console to
> check for updates on a nightly basis. If an update is available, the system
> will download and install it while you sleep. After installation, the
> console will need to reboot, which will require full shutdown from sleep
> mode.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>>
>> not just system updates, a single game like fallout 4 can be a 25 to 30GB
>> download.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> so we installed a customer yesterday. hes complaining its not possible
>>> that he used 20gb overnight since he was asleep
>>>
>>> the tech said his xbox one wanted to update and he stopped it, hes saying
>>> he did update it and it was only a 500mb update
>>>
>>> he had a consistent 12mb download from around 1130pm to 3 am and again
>>> from 8 am to 9am this morning
>>>
>>> I verified wireless and ethernet counters on his SM (bridge mode) and the
>>> AP, as well as powercode accounting, they all match up
>>>
>>> reading about xbox one, it is defaultly in instant on mode outside the
>>> EU, in that mode all the games on the system update at night, as best i can
>>> tell from reading the update time is randomized somewhere give or take some
>>> hours around 2AM redmond time.
>>>
>>> Given the massive size of xbox one updates and his not having had
>>> internet since he moved here, it seems to me 20gb is not alot, and it would
>>> be inline during that timeframe that it was xbox games (not the system)
>>> updating as it is designed
>>>
>>> am i understanding this xbox one updates system correctly?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

[Josh Luthman]

I don't think you'll find anything like that, but I could be wrong.

I don't think updates come at any particular time of the day, for games nor
the console.  I've seen updates happen in the middle of me playing during
an evening and then get them while I was at work during the day.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:40 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Or a clean list of microsoft xboxone updates, their release dates, and the
> sizes. that would be good, I havent found anything on the system updates,
> but Ive found a few forum based game lists, would prefer something a little
> more formal
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i cannot seem to find any time window referenced from microsoft other
>> than night time, I assume its randomized, but would like to see that
>> concrete. anybody have a link to that?
>>
>> not this one though
>> https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/console/system-update-overview
>>
>>
>> The following is enough for me, but this guys a douchbag already
>> threatening to cancel service if we dont "fix" our accounting. If this list
>> wasnt publicly searchable I would cut and paste the content of his
>> fuckwittery. we are trying to get him to understand our accounting is
>> accurate, because this will be an issue every time he goes to sleep
>>
>>
>>
>> How system updates work
>>
>> System updates vary depending on the power mode of your Xbox One console.
>>
>> *Instant-On mode*
>> All countries outside of the European Union will default to Instant-On
>> power mode. One of the features of Instant-On is the ability for your
>> console to check for updates on a nightly basis. If an update is available,
>> the system will download and install it while you sleep. After
>> installation, the console will need to reboot, which will require full
>> shutdown from sleep mode.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> not just system updates, a single game like fallout 4 can be a 25 to
>>> 30GB download.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 so we installed a customer yesterday. hes complaining its not possible
 that he used 20gb overnight since he was asleep

 the tech said his xbox one wanted to update and he stopped it, hes
 saying he did update it and it was only a 500mb update

 he had a consistent 12mb download from around 1130pm to 3 am and again
 from 8 am to 9am this morning

 I verified wireless and ethernet counters on his SM (bridge mode) and
 the AP, as well as powercode accounting, they all match up

 reading about xbox one, it is defaultly in instant on mode outside the
 EU, in that mode all the games on the system update at night, as best i can
 tell from reading the update time is randomized somewhere give or take some
 hours around 2AM redmond time.

 Given the massive size of xbox one updates and his not having had
 internet since he moved here, it seems to me 20gb is not alot, and it would
 be inline during that timeframe that it was xbox games (not the system)
 updating as it is designed

 am i understanding this xbox one updates system correctly?


 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

[AFMUG] RackMount PacketFlux PowerInjector+Sync

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Well, it looks like it might actually be finally happening.

We are about 98% sure we have a rackmount enclosure manufacturer which we
can work with. Domestic.  Product looks decent.  Price is right.

Which means it's time to nail down a few details here, such as number of
ports, so I can get some enclosures cut and boards made and hopefully get
this elephant out of the room

 So I need some input:

The rough figures I'm working with here is $800 for a 18 port rackmount
power injector.  Voltage and pinning jumper selectable per port. Per-port
control of power and sync.  Probably some redundant power and other things
built in, but I'm still nailing those details down (a lot of it comes down
to space on the front panel of the enclosure).

PLEASE NOTE:  The prices here are soft - until I get the design completed I
won't know what I can sell this for - as many of  you know I try to price
things at a fair price as opposed to what the market will bear.

The main questions I have for the list are:

Is 18 the correct number of ports?   18 is looking like about the most I
can fit based on front panel dimensions.  This corresponds to 3 blocks of 6
ports (if you lose a port and need to replace it, you'd replace 6 at a
time).

Other options are 16 (4 blocks of 4), and pretty much any smaller
quantities of ports which are divisible by 4 or 6.

I guess what I'm really asking here is whether the 18 port version for $800
is the only version of this I should make or carry, or does it make sense
to sell (as an example) an 8 port version for $400 instead of or in
addition to this?



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Or a clean list of microsoft xboxone updates, their release dates, and the
sizes. that would be good, I havent found anything on the system updates,
but Ive found a few forum based game lists, would prefer something a little
more formal

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> i cannot seem to find any time window referenced from microsoft other than
> night time, I assume its randomized, but would like to see that concrete.
> anybody have a link to that?
>
> not this one though
> https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/console/system-update-overview
>
>
> The following is enough for me, but this guys a douchbag already
> threatening to cancel service if we dont "fix" our accounting. If this list
> wasnt publicly searchable I would cut and paste the content of his
> fuckwittery. we are trying to get him to understand our accounting is
> accurate, because this will be an issue every time he goes to sleep
>
>
>
> How system updates work
>
> System updates vary depending on the power mode of your Xbox One console.
>
> *Instant-On mode*
> All countries outside of the European Union will default to Instant-On
> power mode. One of the features of Instant-On is the ability for your
> console to check for updates on a nightly basis. If an update is available,
> the system will download and install it while you sleep. After
> installation, the console will need to reboot, which will require full
> shutdown from sleep mode.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> not just system updates, a single game like fallout 4 can be a 25 to 30GB
>> download.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> so we installed a customer yesterday. hes complaining its not possible
>>> that he used 20gb overnight since he was asleep
>>>
>>> the tech said his xbox one wanted to update and he stopped it, hes
>>> saying he did update it and it was only a 500mb update
>>>
>>> he had a consistent 12mb download from around 1130pm to 3 am and again
>>> from 8 am to 9am this morning
>>>
>>> I verified wireless and ethernet counters on his SM (bridge mode) and
>>> the AP, as well as powercode accounting, they all match up
>>>
>>> reading about xbox one, it is defaultly in instant on mode outside the
>>> EU, in that mode all the games on the system update at night, as best i can
>>> tell from reading the update time is randomized somewhere give or take some
>>> hours around 2AM redmond time.
>>>
>>> Given the massive size of xbox one updates and his not having had
>>> internet since he moved here, it seems to me 20gb is not alot, and it would
>>> be inline during that timeframe that it was xbox games (not the system)
>>> updating as it is designed
>>>
>>> am i understanding this xbox one updates system correctly?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i cannot seem to find any time window referenced from microsoft other than
night time, I assume its randomized, but would like to see that concrete.
anybody have a link to that?

not this one though
https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/console/system-update-overview


The following is enough for me, but this guys a douchbag already
threatening to cancel service if we dont "fix" our accounting. If this list
wasnt publicly searchable I would cut and paste the content of his
fuckwittery. we are trying to get him to understand our accounting is
accurate, because this will be an issue every time he goes to sleep



How system updates work

System updates vary depending on the power mode of your Xbox One console.

*Instant-On mode*
All countries outside of the European Union will default to Instant-On
power mode. One of the features of Instant-On is the ability for your
console to check for updates on a nightly basis. If an update is available,
the system will download and install it while you sleep. After
installation, the console will need to reboot, which will require full
shutdown from sleep mode.







On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:34 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> not just system updates, a single game like fallout 4 can be a 25 to 30GB
> download.
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> so we installed a customer yesterday. hes complaining its not possible
>> that he used 20gb overnight since he was asleep
>>
>> the tech said his xbox one wanted to update and he stopped it, hes saying
>> he did update it and it was only a 500mb update
>>
>> he had a consistent 12mb download from around 1130pm to 3 am and again
>> from 8 am to 9am this morning
>>
>> I verified wireless and ethernet counters on his SM (bridge mode) and the
>> AP, as well as powercode accounting, they all match up
>>
>> reading about xbox one, it is defaultly in instant on mode outside the
>> EU, in that mode all the games on the system update at night, as best i can
>> tell from reading the update time is randomized somewhere give or take some
>> hours around 2AM redmond time.
>>
>> Given the massive size of xbox one updates and his not having had
>> internet since he moved here, it seems to me 20gb is not alot, and it would
>> be inline during that timeframe that it was xbox games (not the system)
>> updating as it is designed
>>
>> am i understanding this xbox one updates system correctly?
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Anyone using Ting SIM cards for OOB management?

[Eric Kuhnke]

For example with HSPA+/LTE modems, to have proper OOB into the routers at a
crucial POP.

$6/mo per active SIM card is pretty cheap for M2M data SIMs, though the
$/MB rate is not the best. But for the application I have in mind it would
be console SSH traffic, which is super low bandwidth.

https://ting.com/rates

For LTE they're an MVNO on AT and T-Mobile.

Looking at the FAQ they say that the data usage can be limited and
monitored on a per-device basis, which could be useful.

Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

[Eric Kuhnke]

not just system updates, a single game like fallout 4 can be a 25 to 30GB
download.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> so we installed a customer yesterday. hes complaining its not possible
> that he used 20gb overnight since he was asleep
>
> the tech said his xbox one wanted to update and he stopped it, hes saying
> he did update it and it was only a 500mb update
>
> he had a consistent 12mb download from around 1130pm to 3 am and again
> from 8 am to 9am this morning
>
> I verified wireless and ethernet counters on his SM (bridge mode) and the
> AP, as well as powercode accounting, they all match up
>
> reading about xbox one, it is defaultly in instant on mode outside the EU,
> in that mode all the games on the system update at night, as best i can
> tell from reading the update time is randomized somewhere give or take some
> hours around 2AM redmond time.
>
> Given the massive size of xbox one updates and his not having had internet
> since he moved here, it seems to me 20gb is not alot, and it would be
> inline during that timeframe that it was xbox games (not the system)
> updating as it is designed
>
> am i understanding this xbox one updates system correctly?
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] xbox one updates

[Josh Luthman]

Does it update when "off"?  Yes.  That's instant on mode.

20 GB is one patch for one game.  They've rewritten the entire OS since
launch, I believe that was around November 2015 when they fully released it.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> so we installed a customer yesterday. hes complaining its not possible
> that he used 20gb overnight since he was asleep
>
> the tech said his xbox one wanted to update and he stopped it, hes saying
> he did update it and it was only a 500mb update
>
> he had a consistent 12mb download from around 1130pm to 3 am and again
> from 8 am to 9am this morning
>
> I verified wireless and ethernet counters on his SM (bridge mode) and the
> AP, as well as powercode accounting, they all match up
>
> reading about xbox one, it is defaultly in instant on mode outside the EU,
> in that mode all the games on the system update at night, as best i can
> tell from reading the update time is randomized somewhere give or take some
> hours around 2AM redmond time.
>
> Given the massive size of xbox one updates and his not having had internet
> since he moved here, it seems to me 20gb is not alot, and it would be
> inline during that timeframe that it was xbox games (not the system)
> updating as it is designed
>
> am i understanding this xbox one updates system correctly?
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

[AFMUG] xbox one updates

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

so we installed a customer yesterday. hes complaining its not possible that
he used 20gb overnight since he was asleep

the tech said his xbox one wanted to update and he stopped it, hes saying
he did update it and it was only a 500mb update

he had a consistent 12mb download from around 1130pm to 3 am and again from
8 am to 9am this morning

I verified wireless and ethernet counters on his SM (bridge mode) and the
AP, as well as powercode accounting, they all match up

reading about xbox one, it is defaultly in instant on mode outside the EU,
in that mode all the games on the system update at night, as best i can
tell from reading the update time is randomized somewhere give or take some
hours around 2AM redmond time.

Given the massive size of xbox one updates and his not having had internet
since he moved here, it seems to me 20gb is not alot, and it would be
inline during that timeframe that it was xbox games (not the system)
updating as it is designed

am i understanding this xbox one updates system correctly?


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] DMCA Time Management Fee

[Ty Featherling]

So you are looking for the language towards the complaintant, not the
alleged offender. Got it. Just making sure. I am more than willing to share
the language on our AUP. It was given to me by someone on this list anyway.
I don't have any language either in the other direction.

-Ty



-Ty

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:28 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> yes, just no dedicated dmca and mitigation policy set yet, we are getting
> more and more of them
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Ty Featherling 
> wrote:
>
>> Steve do you have an AUP posted already?
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> how much of this notice can a guy copy and use before google sends a
>>> takedown notice.
>>>
>>> I really want to get our DMCA policy in place just to not have to worry
>>> about being that little company they decide to make an example out of when
>>> they figure out how to nail people on the firesticks
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>>
 I think we are going to start just following Google's take on DMCA
 notices.  I would like ours to send the customer an email requiring the to
 go to a webpage in the next 7 days or be blocked.  They will then be
 tracked watching a video of sorts that explains why they are watching this
 video.  I would also explain that the company sending the complaint may
 want to settle, but it would be up to the customer to take whatever action
 they deemed appropriate.  Further, I would tell the customer that I would
 not disclose their CPNI without a court order.

 This is what they send out


 [image: Inline image 1]

 And then they forward (Insert company here)'s complaint, in this case
 BMG.
 [image: Inline image 2]



 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I hit send too quickly. Here's how to NAT your customers to a range of
> ports.
>
>
> http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:IP/Firewall/NAT#Carrier-Grade_NAT_.28CGNAT.29_or_NAT444
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, March 7, 2016 12:01:07 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] DMCA Time Management Fee
>
> Perhaps our ticketing systems need an input box where we can copy +
> paste the ACNS XML into and it files it with the correct customer?
>
> If you're NATing your customers, you should be NATing them to a
> particular range so you can track them easier.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jon Auer" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Monday, March 7, 2016 11:32:01 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] DMCA Time Management Fee
>
> I filled out that survey and then realized that most of the burden
> comes down to the shi**y state of ticketing systems / backoffice tooling
> (aside from not being able to file the registered agent form online).
>
> Pretty much all the DMCA notices come with ACNS XML. It's easy enough
> to parse, open tickets on customers, and handle as automatically or
> manually as you want. For a industry-to-industry self-policing mechanism
> it's pretty painless.
>
> The only DMCA notice we've received *without* ACNS XML came from

Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor

[Josh Reynolds]

Yes, substantial interference will cause this, even on 5GHz. It could be
noise at the AP, but only if all stations having high CCQs. If not, the
CPEs are seeing another signal that either has very high signal or is on a
near or overlapping frequency.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:53 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Rory, I think you're seeing somewhat normal operation from the UBNT
> radios. The AP heard nothing from that CPE in a while so it tore down the
> session. CPE still thinks it's registered. AP says nope. Could be
> interference. We saw this all the time in the 2.4 band w/ UBNT radios.
>
>
> On 3/8/2016 9:03 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> I haven’t seen one on a Ubiquiti AP which is why I asked but when I get
> back in town next week, I’m going to set it up so I can see how it works.
> Our Xirrus radios have that feature.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 6:02 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor
>
>
>
> When a deauth is happening, the laptop doing the deauth impersonates the
> AP, telling the client to disconnect. What I see below doesn't look like a
> deauth attack.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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> [image:
> http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]
> [image:
> http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]
> [image:
> http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png] 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
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> http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]
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> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> [image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]
> [image:
> http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"timothy steele" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 8, 2016 6:28:42 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor
>
> 04:18:d6:e4:c0:15 Is a ubnt Mac sure you don't own that Mac? In the client
> list you should see it pop up now and then maybe pop up a fake ap with same
> said with passphrase ubnt should connect then you can get into the network
> of who ever is doing it
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016, 7:14 AM Gino Villarini < 
> ginovi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> are you running 802.11n or airmax?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:44 AM, Rory Conaway < 
> r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>
> I’m almost done doing that.  This should be interesting.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, March 07, 2016 9:55 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm < af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor
>
>
>
> Change your ssid and hide it...
>
> On Mar 7, 2016 9:05 PM, "Rory Conaway" < 
> r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>
> Received disassoc from 04:18:d6:e4:c0:15. Reason: Disassociated because
> sending STA is leaving (or has left) BSS (8).
>
> Feb 13 07:17:43 wireless: ath0 STA-TRAFFIC-STAT mac=04:18:d6:e4:c0:15
> rx_packets=633675 rx_bytes=116857546 tx_packets=2225222 tx_bytes=3041234063
>
> Feb 13 07:17:43 wireless: ath0 Expired node:04:18:D6:E4:C0:15
>
> Feb 13 07:17:43 hostapd: ath0: STA 04:18:d6:e4:c0:15 IEEE 802.11:
> disassociated
>
> Feb 13 07:17:43 wireless: ath0 Sending deauth to 04:18:d6:e4:c0:15.
> Reason: Class 2 frame received from nonauthenticated STA (
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, March 07, 2016 9:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor
>
>
>
> I have a couple of customers off the same Ubiquiti Rocket 5 AP that have
> been having an issue the last couple days with going offline for a short
> time and then reconnecting and coming back online.  I pull the logs on the
> AP and see a bunch of handshaking and several of these.  I’m pretty sure
> this is what happens when an enterprise radio does Rogue Access Point
> Suppression.  Am I reading this right or is there something I’m not aware
> of like a bad CPE that can cause this?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor

[George Skorup]

Rory, I think you're seeing somewhat normal operation from the UBNT 
radios. The AP heard nothing from that CPE in a while so it tore down 
the session. CPE still thinks it's registered. AP says nope. Could be 
interference. We saw this all the time in the 2.4 band w/ UBNT radios.


On 3/8/2016 9:03 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:


I haven’t seen one on a Ubiquiti AP which is why I asked but when I 
get back in town next week, I’m going to set it up so I can see how it 
works.  Our Xirrus radios have that feature.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 08, 2016 6:02 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor

When a deauth is happening, the laptop doing the deauth impersonates 
the AP, telling the client to disconnect. What I see below doesn't 
look like a deauth attack.




-
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*From: *"timothy steele" >

*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Tuesday, March 8, 2016 6:28:42 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor

04:18:d6:e4:c0:15 Is a ubnt Mac sure you don't own that Mac? In the 
client list you should see it pop up now and then maybe pop up a fake 
ap with same said with passphrase ubnt should connect then you can get 
into the network of who ever is doing it


On Tue, Mar 8, 2016, 7:14 AM Gino Villarini > wrote:


are you running 802.11n or airmax?

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 1:44 AM, Rory Conaway
> wrote:

I’m almost done doing that.  This should be interesting.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Monday, March 07, 2016 9:55 PM
*To:* Animal Farm >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor

Change your ssid and hide it...

On Mar 7, 2016 9:05 PM, "Rory Conaway" > wrote:

Received disassoc from 04:18:d6:e4:c0:15. Reason:
Disassociated because sending STA is leaving (or has left)
BSS (8).

Feb 13 07:17:43 wireless: ath0 STA-TRAFFIC-STAT
mac=04:18:d6:e4:c0:15 rx_packets=633675 rx_bytes=116857546
tx_packets=2225222 tx_bytes=3041234063

Feb 13 07:17:43 wireless: ath0 Expired node:04:18:D6:E4:C0:15

Feb 13 07:17:43 hostapd: ath0: STA 04:18:d6:e4:c0:15 IEEE
802.11: disassociated

Feb 13 07:17:43 wireless: ath0 Sending deauth to
04:18:d6:e4:c0:15. Reason: Class 2 frame received from
nonauthenticated STA (

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Monday, March 07, 2016 9:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] I might be under attack by a competitor

I have a couple of customers off the same Ubiquiti Rocket
5 AP that have been having an issue the last couple days
with going offline for a short time and then reconnecting
and coming back online.  I pull the logs on the AP and see
a bunch of handshaking and several of these.  I’m pretty
sure this is what happens when an enterprise radio does
Rogue Access Point Suppression.  Am I reading this right
or is there something I’m not aware of like a bad CPE that
can cause this?

Rory

Re: [AFMUG] Issues with newest batch of Mikrotik SFPs S-53LC20Dand S-35LC20D?

[Eric Kuhnke]

I've only ordered in bulk from ecablemart - if you're buying something like
twenty of each item they're 15% cheaper than fiberstore.

their blue armored 9/125 patch cables are a real life saver in busy, not
very well organized colocation environments where somebody might snag or
damage your crossconnect in overhead cable trays:

http://www.ecablemart.com/pdf/?p=armored-patch-cord

the diameter is still small enough that nobody complains about their size
vs regular patch cables.


On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Fiberstore is apparently cheaper for a lot of the LC to LC cables I just
> ordered. Like half the price of ecablemart.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Monday, March 7, 2016 7:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Issues with newest batch of Mikrotik SFPs
> S-53LC20Dand S-35LC20D?
>
>
>
> Resources, labor cost, industry around it.
>
> Lots of rare earth metals that exist in that region of the world. Low
> labor cost compared to the US.
>
> On Mar 7, 2016 7:57 PM, "David Milholen"  wrote:
>
> My question why isnt America making this kind of stuff?? Why does china
> get all the street cred?
>
> Rant: America has become immersed in how lazy we can be in my opinion.
>
>
>
> On 3/7/2016 5:33 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> the one thing that fiberstore does *not* have the best prices on is fiber
> patch cables...  if you're buying a lot of LC-LC, SC-LC, SC-SC duplex 9/125
> for in building cross connects, and patch cables in bulk from 0.2 meters up
> to 30 meters in length, you will see much better prices from
> www.ecablemart.com and other chinese cable vendors.  Also better prices
> for things like SC, LC bulkheads and patch panels.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Erich Kaiser 
> wrote:
>
> We have bought a few dozen 10G and 1G optics and they work great. I am
> impressed with their packaging.   As George said, if you have the time, FS
> is the way to go, although they have been much quicker on turning them
> around lately.
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 630-621-4804
>
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 4:53 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
> We bought some 20km 1G modules from FS.com. Shipped fast. No problem with
> them. They are identical to the MT modules. So why should I buy from MT for
> 3X the cost? Unless I need it like now, and Baltic has them, then we can
> swing by and pick them up.
>
> On 3/7/2016 3:53 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> I have been buying a lot from Fiberstore.  They have been great, and
> shipping is cheap and fast (somehow).
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
> I recently just purchased from Fiberstore.com... what is the public
> reception of them? I am still a little hesitant but I'd feel a lot better
> if I was not the only one.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Same guys? They will take paypal, but then they have to pay for it.
>
>
>
> I don’t like them to pay for PayPal, so I just wire.
>
>
>
> Most times it costs me about $10 vs. their PayPal fee of over $100 dollars.
>
>
>
> I’m nice J
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Monday, March 7, 2016 2:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Issues with newest batch of Mikrotik SFPs
> S-53LC20Dand S-35LC20D?
>
>
>
> I recently got some stuff from China and they took PayPal.
>
> Nice.  No trip to the bank.
>
>
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 07, 2016 2:20 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Issues with newest batch of Mikrotik SFPs
> S-53LC20Dand S-35LC20D?
>
>
>
> Don’t buy those.
>
>
>
> Get same/better units from fiberstore.com.
>
>
>
> In quantity I have a direct company in china I order from also, but you
> must wire transfer funds.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Sam Kirsch
> *Sent:* Monday, March 7, 2016 2:09 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Issues with newest batch of Mikrotik SFPs S-53LC20D
> and S-35LC20D?
>
>
>
> I'm curious if anyone has ordered any newer batches of these products.
> This is the second change we've seen in the case of the SFP.  All the units
> from then newest batch seem to have trouble linking to the FTC Media
> Converter or to 2011s, Cloud Core products seem to link together just fine
> over shorter distances.
>
>
>
> We're wondering if we just happened to get two 10-packs that have gone bad
> or if anyone else has seen any issues with newer SFPs?
>
>
>
> *-- Samuel Kirsch, Network Support*
>
> * Plexicomm - Internet Solutions | www.plexicomm.net
>  Office: 1.866.759.4678 x109
> <1.866.759.4678%20x109> | Fax: 

Re: [AFMUG] DMCA Time Management Fee

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

yes, just no dedicated dmca and mitigation policy set yet, we are getting
more and more of them


On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Ty Featherling 
wrote:

> Steve do you have an AUP posted already?
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 9:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> how much of this notice can a guy copy and use before google sends a
>> takedown notice.
>>
>> I really want to get our DMCA policy in place just to not have to worry
>> about being that little company they decide to make an example out of when
>> they figure out how to nail people on the firesticks
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>
>>> I think we are going to start just following Google's take on DMCA
>>> notices.  I would like ours to send the customer an email requiring the to
>>> go to a webpage in the next 7 days or be blocked.  They will then be
>>> tracked watching a video of sorts that explains why they are watching this
>>> video.  I would also explain that the company sending the complaint may
>>> want to settle, but it would be up to the customer to take whatever action
>>> they deemed appropriate.  Further, I would tell the customer that I would
>>> not disclose their CPNI without a court order.
>>>
>>> This is what they send out
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>>
>>> And then they forward (Insert company here)'s complaint, in this case
>>> BMG.
>>> [image: Inline image 2]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
 I hit send too quickly. Here's how to NAT your customers to a range of
 ports.


 http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:IP/Firewall/NAT#Carrier-Grade_NAT_.28CGNAT.29_or_NAT444



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 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
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 *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Monday, March 7, 2016 12:01:07 PM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] DMCA Time Management Fee

 Perhaps our ticketing systems need an input box where we can copy +
 paste the ACNS XML into and it files it with the correct customer?

 If you're NATing your customers, you should be NATing them to a
 particular range so you can track them easier.




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 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
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 *From: *"Jon Auer" 
 *To: *"Animal Farm" 
 *Sent: *Monday, March 7, 2016 11:32:01 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] DMCA Time Management Fee

 I filled out that survey and then realized that most of the burden
 comes down to the shi**y state of ticketing systems / backoffice tooling
 (aside from not being able to file the registered agent form online).

 Pretty much all the DMCA notices come with ACNS XML. It's easy enough
 to parse, open tickets on customers, and handle as automatically or
 manually as you want. For a industry-to-industry self-policing mechanism
 it's pretty painless.

 The only DMCA notice we've received *without* ACNS XML came from
 CitiBank's SOC when one of our shared hosting customers got hacked and was
 hosting a phishing page with their logo on it.

 Like most things ISPish the pain comes in the valley between when you
 start and have so few customers that it's a novelty/doesn't take too much
 time and when you have so many customers/it's enough of a pain that you
 automate it.
 Of course, when the valley is everything between some guy with like 200
 subs and Comcast there's a lot of people 

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti and VLAN Tags

[Matt Hardy]

If they're set up as simple bridges (with WDS enabled), they should pass
all Ethernet traffic (including any VLAN tags) transparently...

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Matt  wrote:

> Couple years back setup several Ubiquiti NSM5's to bridge several
> buildings to together.  One set as AP bridge and couple others as
> slaves.  After upgrading firmware and setting defaults put in very
> simple settings of WPA2, passwords, etc.  Recently they added some new
> gear to there network.  Is there any reason they would strip off VLAN
> tags?
>