date:20160310

There is something similar to that built into the mount.  Cannot really see it 
in the photo.  

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Product leak

Instead of a turnbuckle, which you can't turn when tight to the pole, how about 
a 10" section of two parallel threaded rods used to pull the chain snug?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Jerry Head  wrote:

  Really nice product!
  How long is it?
  What would really be sweet is if there were some way to turnbuckle or snap 
clamp those chains down
  tight then no lag screw would be needed.

  On 3/10/2016 6:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Something I am working on.
This will fit on a 60 inch diameter pole/monopole (or larger)  if you want. 

It will also fit a 10 inch pole.

The pipe is 24 inches long 3.4” dia.

Re: [AFMUG] Product leak

24 inches but it can go to any length.
There is a half turnbuckle built into it.  You hook the chain as tight as you 
can then wrench tighten the chain the rest of the way.

From: Jerry Head 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Product leak

Really nice product!
How long is it?
What would really be sweet is if there were some way to turnbuckle or snap 
clamp those chains down
tight then no lag screw would be needed.

On 3/10/2016 6:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Something I am working on.
  This will fit on a 60 inch diameter pole/monopole (or larger)  if you want.  
  It will also fit a 10 inch pole.

  The pipe is 24 inches long 3.4” dia.

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Most tower steel is a clone of either Rohn or Andrew.

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Funny they use a drawing that they must have gotten from Andrews because it has 
the same error...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

$78 (plus shipping) here:
http://ciwireless1-px.rtrk.com/product/tower-antenna-standoff/

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

i thought i was paying somewhere in the $150 range for it

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  What do you pay for an Andrew/Comscope S200?

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says (2 
ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or 
Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.  
Sitepro1 also has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for use 
with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.

  On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Here is a good ‘un:
http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?  It 
will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some sort of 
standoff to minimize shadowing. 

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Do you know this, or are you speculating?  My information was that Connect-It 
fabricated all their stuff in Florida including the galvanizing.  That’s one 
reason I liked buying from them.  That and their workmanship (welding and 
galvanizing) seemed better than Andrew/Commscope.

Sitepro1/Valmont does import parts from China, which they do not hide, it is 
stamped right into them.  I am sad to report however that the quality seems 
quite good.

Remember that virtually all brand name tools are made in China, not just Harbor 
Freight.  They can make junk and they can make good stuff.


From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Chinese steel. Otherwise known as zinc-plated lead.


bp


On 3/10/2016 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Hmmm, that is very low.  Like lower than wholesale low.  I wonder how they do 
it for that...

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 5:48 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  $78 (plus shipping) here:
  http://ciwireless1-px.rtrk.com/product/tower-antenna-standoff/


  From: Kurt Fankhauser 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:31 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  i thought i was paying somewhere in the $150 range for it

  On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

What do you pay for an Andrew/Comscope S200?

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says (2 
ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or 
Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.  
Sitepro1 also has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!


From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for use 
with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.

On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Here is a good ‘un:
  http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?  
It will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some sort 
of standoff to minimize shadowing. 

  -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

I thought maybe it was an error, but I looked back I my records and I bought 10 
of them custom with longer pipes back in 2011 for $101 and my notes show the 
price of the standard one being around $80, so it looks real.

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Hmmm, that is very low.  Like lower than wholesale low.  I wonder how they do 
it for that...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

$78 (plus shipping) here:
http://ciwireless1-px.rtrk.com/product/tower-antenna-standoff/

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

i thought i was paying somewhere in the $150 range for it

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  What do you pay for an Andrew/Comscope S200?

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says (2 
ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or 
Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.  
Sitepro1 also has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for use 
with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.

  On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Here is a good ‘un:
http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?  It 
will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some sort of 
standoff to minimize shadowing. 

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater?

2016-03-10 Thread Jerry Head

It would fit on my Rohn 25s:-);-)

On 3/10/2016 6:33 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Whats the purpose of that antenna? Its not going to fit on a rohn 25g 
tower and alot of grainlegs probably couldnt handle it either. With 
that thing so big you should be paying cell-co rental prices!

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Gino Villarini > wrote:

for epmp..

Sent from Outlook Mobile 

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:03 PM -0800, "Mike Hammett"
> wrote:

Mimosa A5-360 would.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

*From: *"Gino Villarini" >
*To: *af@afmug.com , af@afmug.com

*Sent: *Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:01:40 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater?

4 90deg dual pol sectors in one omni enclosure

Sent from Outlook Mobile 

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:15 PM -0800, "Josh Reynolds"
> wrote:

You want 3 omnis in one radome? :P

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> can someone make something similar in omni?
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>
>> price?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:01 PM,can...@believewireless.net 

>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> The new AirPrism 3x30 sector is a MONSTER! I put it next to our 
water
>>> heater for reference.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Product leak

Instead of a turnbuckle, which you can't turn when tight to the pole, how
about a 10" section of two parallel threaded rods used to pull the chain
snug?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 6:53 PM, Jerry Head 
wrote:

> Really nice product!
> How long is it?
> What would really be sweet is if there were some way to turnbuckle or snap
> clamp those chains down
> tight then no lag screw would be needed.
>
>
> On 3/10/2016 6:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Something I am working on.
> This will fit on a 60 inch diameter pole/monopole (or larger)  if you
> want.
> It will also fit a 10 inch pole.
>
> The pipe is 24 inches long 3.4” dia.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Funny they use a drawing that they must have gotten from Andrews because it has 
the same error...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

$78 (plus shipping) here:
http://ciwireless1-px.rtrk.com/product/tower-antenna-standoff/

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

i thought i was paying somewhere in the $150 range for it

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  What do you pay for an Andrew/Comscope S200?

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says (2 
ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or 
Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.  
Sitepro1 also has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for use 
with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.

  On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Here is a good ‘un:
http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?  It 
will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some sort of 
standoff to minimize shadowing. 

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

OK, that makes a huge difference.  On a mount like that my galvanizing would 
cost me close to $10 alone.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Chinese steel. Otherwise known as zinc-plated lead.

bp

On 3/10/2016 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Hmmm, that is very low.  Like lower than wholesale low.  I wonder how they do 
it for that...

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 5:48 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  $78 (plus shipping) here:
  http://ciwireless1-px.rtrk.com/product/tower-antenna-standoff/

  From: Kurt Fankhauser 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:31 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  i thought i was paying somewhere in the $150 range for it

  On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

What do you pay for an Andrew/Comscope S200?

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says (2 
ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or 
Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.  
Sitepro1 also has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for use 
with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.

On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Here is a good ‘un:
  http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?  
It will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some sort 
of standoff to minimize shadowing. 

  -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Quality things can be had from China, but they cost just as much as a
quality thing made elsewhere...  Example being the 2', 3' and 4' microwave
antennas from Shenglu. Not much price difference to Radiowaves.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 6:27 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Chinese steel. Otherwise known as zinc-plated lead.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/10/2016 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Hmmm, that is very low.  Like lower than wholesale low.  I wonder how they
> do it for that...
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 5:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>
> $78 (plus shipping) here:
> http://ciwireless1-px.rtrk.com/product/tower-antenna-standoff/
>
>
> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>
> i thought i was paying somewhere in the $150 range for it
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown < 
> ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> What do you pay for an Andrew/Comscope S200?
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:25 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>>
>> How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says
>> (2 ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or
>> Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.
>> Sitepro1 also has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>>
>> I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for
>> use with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown < 
>> ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is a good ‘un:
>>> 
>>> http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>>>
>>> Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?
>>> It will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some
>>> sort of standoff to minimize shadowing.
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

2016-03-10 Thread Bill Prince


Chinese steel. Otherwise known as zinc-plated lead.

bp


On 3/10/2016 6:25 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Hmmm, that is very low.  Like lower than wholesale low. I wonder how 
they do it for that...

*From:* Ken Hohhof 
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 5:48 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
$78 (plus shipping) here:
http://ciwireless1-px.rtrk.com/product/tower-antenna-standoff/
*From:* Kurt Fankhauser 
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:31 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
i thought i was paying somewhere in the $150 range for it
On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


What do you pay for an Andrew/Comscope S200?
*From:* Ken Hohhof 
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like
George says (2 ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to
6 ft standoff.  Or Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on
vertical or sloping tower legs.  Sitepro1 also has several
solutions, some of which are YUGE!
*From:* Jason McKemie 
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough
standoff for use with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.

On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown > wrote:

Here is a good ‘un:
http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
*To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
*Subject:* [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a
5GHz omni?  It will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower,
so I'm going to need some sort of standoff to minimize shadowing.
-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Hmmm, that is very low.  Like lower than wholesale low.  I wonder how they do 
it for that...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

$78 (plus shipping) here:
http://ciwireless1-px.rtrk.com/product/tower-antenna-standoff/

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

i thought i was paying somewhere in the $150 range for it

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  What do you pay for an Andrew/Comscope S200?

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says (2 
ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or 
Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.  
Sitepro1 also has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for use 
with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.

  On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Here is a good ‘un:
http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?  It 
will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some sort of 
standoff to minimize shadowing. 

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

:)
On Mar 10, 2016 8:06 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Stay thirsty my friends... ajuaaa
> On Mar 10, 2016 6:16 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Very few craft  beers I like... my all time favorite is Hauri beer from
>> Santa Cruz Bolivia..
>> Suck ups...
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> I am at DQ with three of my thirteen grandkids having lunch I told
>>> them you guys think I looked like that guy and they said he is older and
>>> not as  handsomeha.  guess they Are getting dessert
>>> On Mar 10, 2016 12:56 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>>
 I love Russian Imperial Stouts...

 On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Cameron Crum 
 wrote:
 > Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last
 weekend.
 > Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to the
 hype.
 > One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come close
 are Clown
 > Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and
 Lakewood's
 > Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?
 >
 > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
 > wrote:
 >>
 >> Second tied with Modelo
 >>
 >> On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
 >>>
 >>> How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip
 to
 >>> Mars.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826
 >>>
 >>> I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
 >>> commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.
 >
 >

>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater?

Don't always think tower, that thing could be very useful mounted on a
5'x5' footprint non penetrating roof mount with 6' height mast, 3" OD pipe,
near a roof edge overlooking an area. Depends entirely on building
location/height/terrain and potential customers.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Whats the purpose of that antenna? Its not going to fit on a rohn 25g
> tower and alot of grainlegs probably couldnt handle it either. With that
> thing so big you should be paying cell-co rental prices!
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> for epmp..
>>
>> Sent from Outlook Mobile 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:03 PM -0800, "Mike Hammett" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mimosa A5-360 would.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Gino Villarini" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:01:40 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater?
>>>
>>> 4 90deg dual pol sectors in one omni enclosure
>>>
>>> Sent from Outlook Mobile 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:15 PM -0800, "Josh Reynolds" <
>>> j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> You want 3 omnis in one radome? :P

 On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
 > can someone make something similar in omni?
 >
 > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
 >>
 >> price?
 >>
 >> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:01 PM, can...@believewireless.net
 >>  wrote:
 >>>
 >>> The new AirPrism 3x30 sector is a MONSTER! I put it next to our water
 >>> heater for reference.
 >>
 >>
 >


>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] I fried 6 APs and all I got was this stupid t-shirt

We'll check the SI ports after a complete power cycle. We tested 3/6 of the APs 
and they're not powering up. I figured the APs VR smoked and shorted the SI 
power portion of its port.

Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

On Mar 10, 2016, at 14:29, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
> wrote:

Ummm. ..  probably not.

The ports probably shut down in response to the overcurrent caused by the 
overvoltage.

You'll just need to remove power completely from the injector and re power it.  
This means both the power and the site monitor port.

Just curious,  are you sure those aps are dead?   I know some devices have 
overvoltage protection and if that tripped, the injector may have shut down 
fast enough to save the label.

On Mar 10, 2016 2:30 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen" 
> wrote:
96.3% of customers restored!   (:

Incidentally, when the FSK APs received 48v and fried, they also fried their 
corresponding SyncInjector port.  :/

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Well, we powered several 450 APs this morning off 48v for about 3 hours :)

Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

On Mar 10, 2016, at 16:36, George Skorup 
> wrote:

At one time, there was a roadmap slide that stated 48V support for the 450 AP. 
Long, long before the 450i was ever mentioned. So I wonder if the hardware 
supports 22-56V, but they tell us that it's just the 29.5 standard.

Matt, Aaron, someone.. what's the deal? If the regular 450 AP will indeed run 
fine at 48-56V, that would really simplify a lot. Like I can downsize some 
DC-DC converters.

On 3/10/2016 1:38 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
Good point.  We don't use hardly any 450.. but the spec sheet does indeed say 
22-32VDC.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:20 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
So if I'm reading this correctly... regular 450 APs are being powered and 
running happily at 48VDC? That's funny because they're also supposed to be 
30VDC max.

On 3/10/2016 11:45 AM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
You know what's funny is we did... But every time we tested we happened to grab 
450 since that's almost exclusively what were installing now. One time one of 
the techs put a FSK SM on it and it died- he mentioned it in passing but we 
chalked it up to bad FSK taken from our graveyard bin on pulls. ��

Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

On Mar 10, 2016, at 09:34, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
 wrote:

That's awesome.  Glad it's not too bad.

Next time lab it :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 10, 2016 12:31 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen" 
<sc...@velociter.net> 
wrote:
As an update, we scrounged up 4 connectorized APs of our own and Bill Prince 
has 2 which I'm driving out to go get.  Paul McCall is also connectorized and 
shipping me some for spares.  Love this list, thanks guys!  We'll have 80% of 
the customers restored within 90 minutes, the rest this afternoon.

Whew, fun morning.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Or, if Cambium was nice, they could give you code to convert an SM into an AP.

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

If you are good with an iron, you could remove the regulator chip from an SM 
and replace it into the AP (assuming it is the regulator that dies from 
overvoltage).

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

He might could do an advance replacement...

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Paul McCall can probably fix those APs.

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Tyler
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
<ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We all just shed a collective tear...

At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
Spring his here!
Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.

From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring of FSK.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you feed them.  If you 
feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do not have internal DC/DC converters 
unless I completely missed a new product announcement from Forrest (but, I 
don't see this product on the website).

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Scott Vander Dussen 
>
wrote:

  Thanks,

  `S

  ---

  Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

  On Mar 10, 2016, at 07:53, Josh Baird

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

I used to buy  tons of stuff from Hutton...and Electrocomm as well...
On Mar 10, 2016 6:07 PM, "Seth Mattinen"  wrote:

> On 3/10/16 16:59, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
>> You have to watch Tessco. They are in Maryland so if you aren't on the
>> east coast shipping gets high. There said they are opening a San Antonio
>> warehouse but o don't know if they are open. Talley and Hutton have more
>> locations.
>>
>
>
> Tessco has two distribution facilities, the other is in Reno, NV.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater?

2016-03-10 Thread Mike Hammett

Cheaper than paying rent for three sectors. 

I've been saying for a while that anything under Rohn 55 or 65 is too small to 
even consider for a tower deployment. They're fine for micro-POPs and 
customers. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Kurt Fankhauser"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:33:41 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater? 

Whats the purpose of that antenna? Its not going to fit on a rohn 25g tower and 
alot of grainlegs probably couldnt handle it either. With that thing so big you 
should be paying cell-co rental prices! 

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Gino Villarini < ginovi...@gmail.com > wrote: 

for epmp.. 

Sent from Outlook Mobile 

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:03 PM -0800, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 

Mimosa A5-360 would. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

From: "Gino Villarini" < ginovi...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com , af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:01:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater? 

4 90deg dual pol sectors in one omni enclosure 

Sent from Outlook Mobile 

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:15 PM -0800, "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com 
> wrote: 

You want 3 omnis in one radome? :P

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> can someone make something similar in omni?
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>
>> price?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:01 PM, can...@believewireless.net >>  wrote:
>>>
>>> The new AirPrism 3x30 sector is a MONSTER! I put it next to our water
>>> heater for reference.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Very few craft  beers I like... my all time favorite is Hauri beer from
Santa Cruz Bolivia..
Suck ups...

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I am at DQ with three of my thirteen grandkids having lunch I told
> them you guys think I looked like that guy and they said he is older and
> not as  handsomeha.  guess they Are getting dessert
> On Mar 10, 2016 12:56 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> I love Russian Imperial Stouts...
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>> > Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last
>> weekend.
>> > Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to the
>> hype.
>> > One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come close are
>> Clown
>> > Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and
>> Lakewood's
>> > Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Second tied with Modelo
>> >>
>> >> On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to
>> >>> Mars.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826
>> >>>
>> >>> I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
>> >>> commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.
>> >
>> >
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

2016-03-10 Thread Josh Baird

... or beeradvocate.com.

> On Mar 10, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> 
> Ratebeer.com Chuck.
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> So with that many variations, it would seem to me there would be a whole 
>> world of folks that taste beers and make pithy comments like the wine snobs?
>>  
>> From: Bruce Robertson
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:33 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>>  
>> Lots of differences:
>> 
>> The amount you roast the barley.  (More roasting leads to darker beers, 
>> though not necessarily stronger.)
>> The amount of barley and other forms of sugar.  (Ultimately, the barley is 
>> just a source of sugar for the yeasties.)
>> The type of yeast you use.
>> The type and amounts of hops you use.
>> When and how you add the hops.
>> Various adjuncts can be used - water hardeners and softeners, clarity 
>> agents, additional flavorants...
>> Many things I've left out.
>> 
>> There is pretty much an infinite number of variations...
>> 
>> 
>>> On 03/10/2016 12:28 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> So as a mostly bone dry tee-totaler, what is the difference between these 
>>> different types of beers?  I hear IPAs are bitter.  No clue as to how it 
>>> would differ from a stout or ale or etc etc.  I thought they were all 
>>> barley, yeast and water?
>>>  
>>> From: Darren Shea
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>>>  
>>> I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert beer, what 
>>> with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good – very drinkable and 
>>> not overly sweet.Normally a more hoppy (IPA, Imperial IPA, etc.) beer 
>>> fan, but a good stout is always worthwhile.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> n  Darren
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last 
>>> weekend. Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to 
>>> the hype. One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come 
>>> close are Clown Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial 
>>> Stout), and Lakewood's Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it
>>> quitin' time yet?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Second tied with Modelo
>>> 
>>> On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to Mars.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these 
>>> commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> !DSPAM:2,56e1d8fe198275073881709!
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

2016-03-10 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 3/10/16 16:59, Lewis Bergman wrote:

You have to watch Tessco. They are in Maryland so if you aren't on the
east coast shipping gets high. There said they are opening a San Antonio
warehouse but o don't know if they are open. Talley and Hutton have more
locations.



Tessco has two distribution facilities, the other is in Reno, NV.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

2016-03-10 Thread Lewis Bergman

You have to watch Tessco. They are in Maryland so if you aren't on the east
coast shipping gets high. There said they are opening a San Antonio
warehouse but o don't know if they are open. Talley and Hutton have more
locations.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016, 6:53 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Hmm, Tessco has Andrew at $138, house brand at $118, not sure why so
> expensive.  Of course the shipping adds a lot unless you buy a bunch at
> once shipped freight on a pallet.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>
>
> You guys kill me. Chuck makes a great mount for less money.
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016, 6:31 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> i thought i was paying somewhere in the $150 range for it
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> What do you pay for an Andrew/Comscope S200?
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:25 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>>>
>>> How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says
>>> (2 ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or
>>> Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.
>>> Sitepro1 also has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>>>
>>> I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for
>>> use with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Here is a good ‘un:
 http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/

 *From:* Jason McKemie
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
 *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

 Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?
 It will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some
 sort of standoff to minimize shadowing.

 -Jason

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Ratebeer.com Chuck.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> So with that many variations, it would seem to me there would be a whole
> world of folks that taste beers and make pithy comments like the wine snobs?
>
> *From:* Bruce Robertson 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
> Lots of differences:
>
> The amount you roast the barley.  (More roasting leads to darker beers,
> though not necessarily stronger.)
> The *amount* of barley and other forms of sugar.  (Ultimately, the barley
> is just a source of sugar for the yeasties.)
> The type of yeast you use.
> The type and amounts of hops you use.
> When and how you add the hops.
> Various adjuncts can be used - water hardeners and softeners, clarity
> agents, additional flavorants...
> Many things I've left out.
>
> There is pretty much an infinite number of variations...
>
>
> On 03/10/2016 12:28 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> So as a mostly bone dry tee-totaler, what is the difference between these
> different types of beers?  I hear IPAs are bitter.  No clue as to how it
> would differ from a stout or ale or etc etc.  I thought they were all
> barley, yeast and water?
>
> *From:* Darren Shea 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
>
> I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert beer, what
> with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good – very drinkable and
> not overly sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA, Imperial IPA, etc.) beer fan,
> but a good stout is always worthwhile.
>
>
>
> n  Darren
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
>
>
> Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last
> weekend. Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to
> the hype. One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come
> close are Clown Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial
> Stout), and Lakewood's Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it
> quitin' time yet?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Second tied with Modelo
>
> On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to
> Mars.
>
>
>
>
> 
> http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826
>
>
>
> I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
> commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.
>
>
> !DSPAM:2,56e1d8fe198275073881709!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Hmm, Tessco has Andrew at $138, house brand at $118, not sure why so expensive. 
 Of course the shipping adds a lot unless you buy a bunch at once shipped 
freight on a pallet.

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

You guys kill me. Chuck makes a great mount for less money.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016, 6:31 PM Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

  i thought i was paying somewhere in the $150 range for it

  On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

What do you pay for an Andrew/Comscope S200?

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says (2 
ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or 
Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.  
Sitepro1 also has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for use 
with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.

On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Here is a good ‘un:
  http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?  
It will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some sort 
of standoff to minimize shadowing. 

  -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

$78 (plus shipping) here:
http://ciwireless1-px.rtrk.com/product/tower-antenna-standoff/

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

i thought i was paying somewhere in the $150 range for it

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  What do you pay for an Andrew/Comscope S200?

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:25 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says (2 
ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or 
Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.  
Sitepro1 also has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for use 
with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.

  On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Here is a good ‘un:
http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?  It 
will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some sort of 
standoff to minimize shadowing. 

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

2016-03-10 Thread Lewis Bergman

You guys kill me. Chuck makes a great mount for less money.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016, 6:31 PM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> i thought i was paying somewhere in the $150 range for it
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> What do you pay for an Andrew/Comscope S200?
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:25 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>>
>> How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says
>> (2 ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or
>> Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.
>> Sitepro1 also has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>>
>> I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for
>> use with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Here is a good ‘un:
>>> http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>>>
>>> Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?
>>> It will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some
>>> sort of standoff to minimize shadowing.
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Product leak

I waive my consultant fee cause you are kool kat
On Mar 10, 2016 5:35 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Good idea.  Thanks.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 5:28 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Product leak
>
>
> I would drill hole in center of each back for lag screw.   Nice
> On Mar 10, 2016 5:17 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Something I am working on.
>> This will fit on a 60 inch diameter pole/monopole (or larger)  if you
>> want.
>> It will also fit a 10 inch pole.
>>
>> The pipe is 24 inches long 3.4” dia.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

2016-03-10 Thread George Skorup

At one time, there was a roadmap slide that stated 48V support for the 
450 AP. Long, long before the 450i was ever mentioned. So I wonder if 
the hardware supports 22-56V, but they tell us that it's just the 29.5 
standard.

Matt, Aaron, someone.. what's the deal? If the regular 450 AP will 
indeed run fine at 48-56V, that would really simplify a lot. Like I can 
downsize some DC-DC converters.

On 3/10/2016 1:38 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
Good point.  We don't use hardly any 450.. but the spec sheet does 
indeed say 22-32VDC.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:20 PM, George Skorup > wrote:

So if I'm reading this correctly... regular 450 APs are being
powered and running happily at 48VDC? That's funny because they're
also supposed to be 30VDC max.

On 3/10/2016 11:45 AM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:

You know what's funny is we did... But every time we tested we
happened to grab 450 since that's almost exclusively what were
installing now. One time one of the techs put a FSK SM on it and
it died- he mentioned it in passing but we chalked it up to bad
FSK taken from our graveyard bin on pulls. ��

Thanks,
`S

---
Sent mobile, typed by thumbs.

On Mar 10, 2016, at 09:34, Josh Luthman
> wrote:

That's awesome.  Glad it's not too bad.

Next time lab it :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mar 10, 2016 12:31 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen"
> wrote:

As an update, we scrounged up 4 connectorized APs of our own
and Bill Prince has 2 which I'm driving out to go get.  Paul
McCall is also connectorized and shipping me some for
spares.  Love this list, thanks guys!  We'll have 80% of the
customers restored within 90 minutes, the rest this afternoon.

Whew, fun morning.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Or, if Cambium was nice, they could give you code to convert
an SM into an AP.

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

If you are good with an iron, you could remove the regulator
chip from an SM and replace it into the AP (assuming it is
the regulator that dies from overvoltage).

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

He might could do an advance replacement...

-Original Message-
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Paul McCall can probably fix those APs.

-Original Message-
From: Christopher Tyler
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 9:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Live an learn. At least you'll never do it again (hopefully).

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107 

- Original Message -
From: "Chuck McCown" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:02:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

We all just shed a collective tear...

At least tomorrow is Friday, right?
Spring his here!
Jaime is bound to put some photos of good food on the list.
Plenty of reasons to continue to live Scott.

From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Oh wow, that’s fairly misleading.  So I just smoked a ring
of FSK.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FSK power problem?

Yeah, the SI's take up to ~60V, but they output what you
feed them.  If you feed them 48V, they output 48V.  They do
not have internal DC/DC converters unless I completely
missed a new product

Re: [AFMUG] Product leak

Good idea.  Thanks. 

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 5:28 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Product leak

I would drill hole in center of each back for lag screw.   Nice 

On Mar 10, 2016 5:17 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Something I am working on.
  This will fit on a 60 inch diameter pole/monopole (or larger)  if you want.  
  It will also fit a 10 inch pole.

  The pipe is 24 inches long 3.4” dia.

Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater?

2016-03-10 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

Whats the purpose of that antenna? Its not going to fit on a rohn 25g tower
and alot of grainlegs probably couldnt handle it either. With that thing so
big you should be paying cell-co rental prices!

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:26 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> for epmp..
>
> Sent from Outlook Mobile 
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:03 PM -0800, "Mike Hammett" 
> wrote:
>
> Mimosa A5-360 would.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Gino Villarini" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:01:40 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater?
>>
>> 4 90deg dual pol sectors in one omni enclosure
>>
>> Sent from Outlook Mobile 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:15 PM -0800, "Josh Reynolds" <
>> j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>> You want 3 omnis in one radome? :P
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>> > can someone make something similar in omni?
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> price?
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:01 PM, can...@believewireless.net
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The new AirPrism 3x30 sector is a MONSTER! I put it next to our water
>>> >>> heater for reference.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

2016-03-10 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

i thought i was paying somewhere in the $150 range for it

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> What do you pay for an Andrew/Comscope S200?
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>
> How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says
> (2 ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or
> Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.
> Sitepro1 also has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!
>
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>
> I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for
> use with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.
>
> On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Here is a good ‘un:
>> http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>>
>> Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?
>> It will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some
>> sort of standoff to minimize shadowing.
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Product leak

I would drill hole in center of each back for lag screw.   Nice
On Mar 10, 2016 5:17 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Something I am working on.
> This will fit on a 60 inch diameter pole/monopole (or larger)  if you
> want.
> It will also fit a 10 inch pole.
>
> The pipe is 24 inches long 3.4” dia.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

What do you pay for an Andrew/Comscope S200?

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says (2 ft 
standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or Connect-It 
Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.  Sitepro1 also 
has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for use 
with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.

On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Here is a good ‘un:
  http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?  It 
will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some sort of 
standoff to minimize shadowing. 

  -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

2016-03-10 Thread George Skorup

We have a couple Cyclone 5750-360's and PMP450 w/ KP 5GHz omni's on the 
2' Andrew side-arms. The Larsen antenna on the Cyclone is a very good, 
smooth pattern. We do see maybe a couple dB discrepancy when SMs are on 
the opposite side, but they've been fine for the most part. So I think 
you'll be fine at 2 feet.


On 3/10/2016 2:29 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I'm not exactly sure how much standoff I need, I guess that is part of 
the question.


On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like
George says (2 ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to
6 ft standoff.  Or Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on
vertical or sloping tower legs.  Sitepro1 also has several
solutions, some of which are YUGE!
*From:* Jason McKemie 
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough
standoff for use with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.

On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown > wrote:

Here is a good ‘un:
http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
*To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
*Subject:* [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a
5GHz omni?  It will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower,
so I'm going to need some sort of standoff to minimize shadowing.
-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

2016-03-10 Thread Kurt Fankhauser

I use these and the are very solid. Wouldn't mount them on the side of Rohn
25G though. Even though i do have one on the side of a Rohn 25G, would
never do that again.
https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=440562=4=1


On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Distributors don’t normally stock any of my tower mounts.
> Almost all tower mounts drop ship from my shop.
>
> (No sense in anyone paying the freight companies twice.)
>
> Note, the vertical pipe is not included.  You supply the pipe.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:46 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>
> Do you know of any distributors who stock these?
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> This one will do 24 inches:
>> http://www.mccowntech.com/side-arm-tower-mount/
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:29 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>>
>> I'm not exactly sure how much standoff I need, I guess that is part of
>> the question.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says
>>> (2 ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or
>>> Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.
>>> Sitepro1 also has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>>>
>>> I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for
>>> use with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Here is a good ‘un:
 http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/

 *From:* Jason McKemie
 *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
 *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

 Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?
 It will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some
 sort of standoff to minimize shadowing.

 -Jason

>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Surge Suppressors

2016-03-10 Thread Mathew Howard

We had problems with the port flapping on one of our B5c's when it was
running off of a Packetflux injector (with no surge suppressor)... after
replacing everything other than the radio itself, I ended up hooking it up
to a GigE-POE-SS instead and it's been working fine ever since.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Hmmm, others have had success.  Odd.
> -Original Message- From: Jerry Head Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016
> 12:59 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Surge Suppressors
> The GigE HV APC caused the port to flap on our B5 lites...did not even try
> them on our B5s after that.
>
> On 3/10/2016 12:22 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
>> Which model of Chuck's APC line of surge suppressors would one use with
>> Mimosa gear (B5 / B5 lite)?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

2016-03-10 Thread Jeremy

You just described me to a T.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> So with that many variations, it would seem to me there would be a whole
> world of folks that taste beers and make pithy comments like the wine snobs?
>
> *From:* Bruce Robertson 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
> Lots of differences:
>
> The amount you roast the barley.  (More roasting leads to darker beers,
> though not necessarily stronger.)
> The *amount* of barley and other forms of sugar.  (Ultimately, the barley
> is just a source of sugar for the yeasties.)
> The type of yeast you use.
> The type and amounts of hops you use.
> When and how you add the hops.
> Various adjuncts can be used - water hardeners and softeners, clarity
> agents, additional flavorants...
> Many things I've left out.
>
> There is pretty much an infinite number of variations...
>
>
> On 03/10/2016 12:28 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> So as a mostly bone dry tee-totaler, what is the difference between these
> different types of beers?  I hear IPAs are bitter.  No clue as to how it
> would differ from a stout or ale or etc etc.  I thought they were all
> barley, yeast and water?
>
> *From:* Darren Shea 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
>
> I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert beer, what
> with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good – very drinkable and
> not overly sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA, Imperial IPA, etc.) beer fan,
> but a good stout is always worthwhile.
>
>
>
> n  Darren
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
>
>
> Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last
> weekend. Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to
> the hype. One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come
> close are Clown Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial
> Stout), and Lakewood's Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it
> quitin' time yet?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Second tied with Modelo
>
> On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to
> Mars.
>
>
>
>
> 
> http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826
>
>
>
> I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
> commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.
>
>
> !DSPAM:2,56e1d8fe198275073881709!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] I fried 6 APs and all I got was this stupid t-shirt

2016-03-10 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Darn autocorrect..  not sure how it got label from radio.
On Mar 10, 2016 3:28 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Ummm. ..  probably not.
>
> The ports probably shut down in response to the overcurrent caused by the
> overvoltage.
>
> You'll just need to remove power completely from the injector and re power
> it.  This means both the power and the site monitor port.
>
> Just curious,  are you sure those aps are dead?   I know some devices have
> overvoltage protection and if that tripped, the injector may have shut down
> fast enough to save the label.
> On Mar 10, 2016 2:30 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen" 
> wrote:
>
>> 96.3% of customers restored!   (:
>>
>>
>>
>> Incidentally, when the FSK APs received 48v and fried, they also fried
>> their corresponding SyncInjector port.  :/
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] I fried 6 APs and all I got was this stupid t-shirt

2016-03-10 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Ummm. ..  probably not.

The ports probably shut down in response to the overcurrent caused by the
overvoltage.

You'll just need to remove power completely from the injector and re power
it.  This means both the power and the site monitor port.

Just curious,  are you sure those aps are dead?   I know some devices have
overvoltage protection and if that tripped, the injector may have shut down
fast enough to save the label.
On Mar 10, 2016 2:30 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen"  wrote:

> 96.3% of customers restored!   (:
>
>
>
> Incidentally, when the FSK APs received 48v and fried, they also fried
> their corresponding SyncInjector port.  :/
>

Re: [AFMUG] I fried 6 APs and all I got was this stupid t-shirt

Yeah, it was from the “FSK power problem?” thread earlier this morning.. I 
changed out a 24V power supply with a 48v rectifier.  I thought because the 
SyncInjectors accepts up to 56V that it would step the voltage down to 24V, 
didn’t realize they were just passive in/out same voltage.  Anyhow, zapped a 
ring of FSKs in the process.  :/

`S

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:36 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I fried 6 APs and all I got was this stupid t-shirt


Yikes... how did you manage that?
On Mar 10, 2016 2:30 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen" 
> wrote:
96.3% of customers restored!   (:

Incidentally, when the FSK APs received 48v and fried, they also fried their 
corresponding SyncInjector port.  :/

Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

Is this the same problem some people are saying is a Trango buffer problem, 
but somehow only happens with ePMP?

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Haas

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

We have the same issue, just at one site. Air test shows 75x20,  a speedtest 
plugged into the radio shows 15x10. Plugged directly into the same port on 
the router (RB2011uais-rm) maxes the backhaul link (Rocket M5 @ 20Mhz). 
Tried different AP radio's, different firmwares, tried a switch between the 
AP & Router, tried with the client radio in bridge & nat modes, tried with 
PPPoE and with static IP's assigned.. Nothing has seemed to make a 
difference at the site. We have 7 other deployments that we have not seen 
this issue with that have very similar setups.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Gerlach
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

we have the same Problem with the epmp Stuff..only problems and bugs from 
the beginning!

2016-03-07 17:00 GMT+01:00 Darren Shea :
We had seen some issues with ePMP customers on high-speed plans getting 
poor speedtest results - we found that changing the customer's router's 
MTU from Auto to 1480 helped immensely. Another factor was to make sure 
that all backhauls in the path were running at full connection speed (in 
other words, a backhaul whose Ethernet port can run at 1000M should be 
running at 1000M, even if the traffic never approaches 100M) all the way 
out to the internet.

  --  Darren

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 10:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

Sp I have an issue. Tower is a 4 sector ePMP setup and two backhauls.  We 
are seeing poor throughput when connected to the APs (all of them). 
Signals are great. Quality and capacity are great.  When going through the 
AP we are consistently seeing 4-5 megs of download out to a known 
speedtest server.  If we plug into the same wired port on which the AP, 
which gave us the poor throughput, we can max out the 100 meg uplink. 
Issue only happens when going through the wireless.   Here is what I know:

1.APs are set to 75/25.  SM can do a link test and get 50meg x 12meg on 
the link test.  So RF is good.  Isolated AP to where only one client was 
on.  Same great results.

2.Firmware does not seem to be a factor.  Can reproduce this on 2.6.1, 
2.5.1, and 2.4.3.

3.Have replaced POE injectors 3 times with different manufactures.

4.Does not matter if it is DHCP or PPPoE. Hard wired is fine.  Wireless 
stinks.

The AP is plugged into a POE which then plugs into a Mikrotik 2011.  If I 
plug into the same exact port the aps plug into speeds are great. The only 
thing that is left is patch cable to POE, Cable to AP, or AP.  I refuse to 
think 6 cables on the tower do the exact same thing.  The odds for that 
are Powerball winning crazy. Speediest from a laptop hooked to an SM to 
the 2011 are poor.  4-5 megs consistent with spikes up to 10-13, but all 
over the place.  Acts like negotiation.  Have set Mikrotik to Auto, to 100 
meg full, only accepted 100 meg on auto.

Customers who have 5 meg packages or below don’t see this.  Those with 10 
meg packages are the ones seeing 4-5 meg speeds. 10 meg packages did work.

Clients are mainly at 2.6.1, but we can reproduce this with a 2.5 and 
2.4.x SMs. Nothign has changed in the network, which tests out just fine 
up to the point it gets handed off to the ePMP.

Anyone ran into this? Any thoughts?

Justin

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Didn't think about that. Perhaps they can find a good bar.

Cameron Crum wrote:
It would probably have to be offsite as the hotel/venue controls what
is served inside.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Jay Weekley
> wrote:

I think a vendor or vendors needs to have an event where they
serve beer from local breweries.

Cameron Crum wrote:

You forgot the hops which is where beer gets most of its
flavor. Different hops have different bitterness measured in
IBU. Throw in some really high IBU hops and you get a more
"bitter" beer although not bitter like you might think.
Barleys are also roasted at different levels measured in
lavibonds giving you darker or lighter beers depending on how
much you use. The combinations are many. Maybe we can have an
off topic session at one of the Wispa shows and I can run a
brewing class?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown >> wrote:

So as a mostly bone dry tee-totaler, what is the difference
between these different types of beers? I hear IPAs are
bitter. No clue as to how it would differ from a stout or
ale or etc etc. I thought they were all barley, yeast and
water?
*From:* Darren Shea >
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In
The World

I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a
dessert
beer, what with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly
good –
very drinkable and not overly sweet. Normally a more hoppy
(IPA,
Imperial IPA, etc.) beer fan, but a good stout is always
worthwhile.

nDarren

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com

>] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In
The World

Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist
last weekend. Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on
RateBeer.
It lived up to the hype. One of the best I've had in a
while. The
only ones that come close are Clown Shoes Brewery's Blaecorn
Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and Lakewood's Temptress
(Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza

>> wrote:

Second tied with Modelo

On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"
>> wrote:

How to retire a fictional spokesperson? Send him on a one-way
trip to Mars.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826

I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but
somehow these
commercials always remind me of him. Stay thirsty, my friend.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

It would probably have to be offsite as the hotel/venue controls what is
served inside.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> I think a vendor or vendors needs to have an event where they serve beer
> from local breweries.
>
> Cameron Crum wrote:
>
>> You forgot the hops which is where beer gets most of its flavor.
>> Different hops have different bitterness measured in IBU. Throw in some
>> really high IBU hops and you get a more "bitter" beer although not bitter
>> like you might think. Barleys are also roasted at different levels measured
>> in lavibonds giving you darker or lighter beers depending on how much you
>> use. The combinations are many. Maybe we can have an off topic session at
>> one of the Wispa shows and I can run a brewing class?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown  ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>
>> So as a mostly bone dry tee-totaler, what is the difference
>> between these different types of beers? I hear IPAs are bitter.
>>  No clue as to how it would differ from a stout or ale or etc etc. I
>> thought they were all barley, yeast and water?
>> *From:* Darren Shea 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>>
>> I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert
>> beer, what with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good –
>> very drinkable and not overly sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA,
>> Imperial IPA, etc.) beer fan, but a good stout is always worthwhile.
>>
>> nDarren
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>>
>> Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist
>> last weekend. Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer.
>> It lived up to the hype. One of the best I've had in a while. The
>> only ones that come close are Clown Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn
>> Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and Lakewood's Temptress
>> (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Second tied with Modelo
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof" > > wrote:
>>
>> How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way
>> trip to Mars.
>>
>>
>> http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826
>>
>> I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
>> commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

I think a vendor or vendors needs to have an event where they serve beer
from local breweries.

Cameron Crum wrote:
You forgot the hops which is where beer gets most of its flavor.
Different hops have different bitterness measured in IBU. Throw in
some really high IBU hops and you get a more "bitter" beer although
not bitter like you might think. Barleys are also roasted at different
levels measured in lavibonds giving you darker or lighter beers
depending on how much you use. The combinations are many. Maybe we can
have an off topic session at one of the Wispa shows and I can run a
brewing class?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:

*From:* Darren Shea
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert
beer, what with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good –
very drinkable and not overly sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA,
Imperial IPA, etc.) beer fan, but a good stout is always worthwhile.

nDarren

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist
last weekend. Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer.
It lived up to the hype. One of the best I've had in a while. The
only ones that come close are Clown Shoes Brewery's Blaecorn
Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and Lakewood's Temptress
(Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza
> wrote:

Second tied with Modelo

On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof" > wrote:

How to retire a fictional spokesperson? Send him on a one-way
trip to Mars.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826

I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
commercials always remind me of him. Stay thirsty, my friend.

Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

2016-03-10 Thread Sovereen, David A

Is this AP connected to a 100Mbps port while your others are connected to a 
1000Mbps port?

Dave

> On Mar 10, 2016, at 4:28 PM, Robert Haas  wrote:
> 
> We have the same issue, just at one site. Air test shows 75x20,  a speedtest 
> plugged into the radio shows 15x10. Plugged directly into the same port on 
> the router (RB2011uais-rm) maxes the backhaul link (Rocket M5 @ 20Mhz). Tried 
> different AP radio's, different firmwares, tried a switch between the AP & 
> Router, tried with the client radio in bridge & nat modes, tried with PPPoE 
> and with static IP's assigned.. Nothing has seemed to make a difference at 
> the site. We have 7 other deployments that we have not seen this issue with 
> that have very similar setups.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Gerlach
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:21 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP
> 
> we have the same Problem with the epmp Stuff..only problems and bugs from the 
> beginning!
> 
> 2016-03-07 17:00 GMT+01:00 Darren Shea :
>> We had seen some issues with ePMP customers on high-speed plans getting poor 
>> speedtest results - we found that changing the customer's router's MTU from 
>> Auto to 1480 helped immensely. Another factor was to make sure that all 
>> backhauls in the path were running at full connection speed (in other words, 
>> a backhaul whose Ethernet port can run at 1000M should be running at 1000M, 
>> even if the traffic never approaches 100M) all the way out to the internet.
>> 
>>  --  Darren
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson
>> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 10:27 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP
>> 
>> Sp I have an issue. Tower is a 4 sector ePMP setup and two backhauls.  We 
>> are seeing poor throughput when connected to the APs (all of them). Signals 
>> are great. Quality and capacity are great.  When going through the AP we are 
>> consistently seeing 4-5 megs of download out to a known speedtest server.  
>> If we plug into the same wired port on which the AP, which gave us the poor 
>> throughput, we can max out the 100 meg uplink. Issue only happens when going 
>> through the wireless.   Here is what I know:
>> 
>> 
>> 1.APs are set to 75/25.  SM can do a link test and get 50meg x 12meg on the 
>> link test.  So RF is good.  Isolated AP to where only one client was on.  
>> Same great results.
>> 
>> 2.Firmware does not seem to be a factor.  Can reproduce this on 2.6.1, 
>> 2.5.1, and 2.4.3.
>> 
>> 3.Have replaced POE injectors 3 times with different manufactures.
>> 
>> 4.Does not matter if it is DHCP or PPPoE. Hard wired is fine.  Wireless 
>> stinks.
>> 
>> 
>> The AP is plugged into a POE which then plugs into a Mikrotik 2011.  If I 
>> plug into the same exact port the aps plug into speeds are great. The only 
>> thing that is left is patch cable to POE, Cable to AP, or AP.  I refuse to 
>> think 6 cables on the tower do the exact same thing.  The odds for that are 
>> Powerball winning crazy. Speediest from a laptop hooked to an SM to the 2011 
>> are poor.  4-5 megs consistent with spikes up to 10-13, but all over the 
>> place.  Acts like negotiation.  Have set Mikrotik to Auto, to 100 meg full, 
>> only accepted 100 meg on auto.
>> 
>> Customers who have 5 meg packages or below don’t see this.  Those with 10 
>> meg packages are the ones seeing 4-5 meg speeds. 10 meg packages did work.
>> 
>> Clients are mainly at 2.6.1, but we can reproduce this with a 2.5 and 2.4.x 
>> SMs. Nothign has changed in the network, which tests out just fine up to the 
>> point it gets handed off to the ePMP.
>> 
>> Anyone ran into this? Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Justin
>> 
>> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] I fried 6 APs and all I got was this stupid t-shirt

2016-03-10 Thread Josh Luthman

Shorted things out I bet

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 10, 2016 4:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Yikes... how did you manage that?
> On Mar 10, 2016 2:30 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen" 
> wrote:
>
>> 96.3% of customers restored!   (:
>>
>>
>>
>> Incidentally, when the FSK APs received 48v and fried, they also fried
>> their corresponding SyncInjector port.  :/
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] I fried 6 APs and all I got was this stupid t-shirt

Yikes... how did you manage that?
On Mar 10, 2016 2:30 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen"  wrote:

> 96.3% of customers restored!   (:
>
>
>
> Incidentally, when the FSK APs received 48v and fried, they also fried
> their corresponding SyncInjector port.  :/
>

[AFMUG] I fried 6 APs and all I got was this stupid t-shirt

96.3% of customers restored!   (:

Incidentally, when the FSK APs received 48v and fried, they also fried their 
corresponding SyncInjector port.  :/

Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

2016-03-10 Thread Robert Haas

We have the same issue, just at one site. Air test shows 75x20,  a speedtest 
plugged into the radio shows 15x10. Plugged directly into the same port on the 
router (RB2011uais-rm) maxes the backhaul link (Rocket M5 @ 20Mhz). Tried 
different AP radio's, different firmwares, tried a switch between the AP & 
Router, tried with the client radio in bridge & nat modes, tried with PPPoE and 
with static IP's assigned.. Nothing has seemed to make a difference at the 
site. We have 7 other deployments that we have not seen this issue with that 
have very similar setups.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Gerlach
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

we have the same Problem with the epmp Stuff..only problems and bugs from the 
beginning!

2016-03-07 17:00 GMT+01:00 Darren Shea :
> We had seen some issues with ePMP customers on high-speed plans getting poor 
> speedtest results - we found that changing the customer's router's MTU from 
> Auto to 1480 helped immensely. Another factor was to make sure that all 
> backhauls in the path were running at full connection speed (in other words, 
> a backhaul whose Ethernet port can run at 1000M should be running at 1000M, 
> even if the traffic never approaches 100M) all the way out to the internet.
>
>   --  Darren
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson
> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 10:27 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP
>
> Sp I have an issue. Tower is a 4 sector ePMP setup and two backhauls.  We are 
> seeing poor throughput when connected to the APs (all of them). Signals are 
> great. Quality and capacity are great.  When going through the AP we are 
> consistently seeing 4-5 megs of download out to a known speedtest server.  If 
> we plug into the same wired port on which the AP, which gave us the poor 
> throughput, we can max out the 100 meg uplink. Issue only happens when going 
> through the wireless.   Here is what I know:
>
>
> 1.APs are set to 75/25.  SM can do a link test and get 50meg x 12meg on the 
> link test.  So RF is good.  Isolated AP to where only one client was on.  
> Same great results.
>
> 2.Firmware does not seem to be a factor.  Can reproduce this on 2.6.1, 2.5.1, 
> and 2.4.3.
>
> 3.Have replaced POE injectors 3 times with different manufactures.
>
> 4.Does not matter if it is DHCP or PPPoE. Hard wired is fine.  Wireless 
> stinks.
>
>
> The AP is plugged into a POE which then plugs into a Mikrotik 2011.  If I 
> plug into the same exact port the aps plug into speeds are great. The only 
> thing that is left is patch cable to POE, Cable to AP, or AP.  I refuse to 
> think 6 cables on the tower do the exact same thing.  The odds for that are 
> Powerball winning crazy. Speediest from a laptop hooked to an SM to the 2011 
> are poor.  4-5 megs consistent with spikes up to 10-13, but all over the 
> place.  Acts like negotiation.  Have set Mikrotik to Auto, to 100 meg full, 
> only accepted 100 meg on auto.
>
> Customers who have 5 meg packages or below don’t see this.  Those with 10 meg 
> packages are the ones seeing 4-5 meg speeds. 10 meg packages did work.
>
> Clients are mainly at 2.6.1, but we can reproduce this with a 2.5 and 2.4.x 
> SMs. Nothign has changed in the network, which tests out just fine up to the 
> point it gets handed off to the ePMP.
>
> Anyone ran into this? Any thoughts?
>
> Justin
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater?

for epmp..

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On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:03 PM -0800, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:










Mimosa A5-360 would.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP




From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:01:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater?

4 90deg dual pol sectors in one omni enclosure

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On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:15 PM -0800, "Josh Reynolds"  
wrote:










You want 3 omnis in one radome? :P

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> can someone make something similar in omni?
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>
>> price?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:01 PM, can...@believewireless.net
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> The new AirPrism 3x30 sector is a MONSTER! I put it next to our water
>>> heater for reference.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater?

2016-03-10 Thread Mike Hammett

Mimosa A5-360 would . 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Gino Villarini"  
To: af@afmug.com, af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 3:01:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater? 


4 90deg dual pol sectors in one omni enclosure 


Sent from Outlook Mobile 




On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:15 PM -0800, "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com 
> wrote: 




You want 3 omnis in one radome? :P

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> can someone make something similar in omni?
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>
>> price?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:01 PM, can...@believewireless.net
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> The new AirPrism 3x30 sector is a MONSTER! I put it next to our water
>>> heater for reference.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater?

4 90deg dual pol sectors in one omni enclosure

Sent from Outlook Mobile




On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:15 PM -0800, "Josh Reynolds"  
wrote:










You want 3 omnis in one radome? :P

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> can someone make something similar in omni?
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>
>> price?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:01 PM, can...@believewireless.net
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> The new AirPrism 3x30 sector is a MONSTER! I put it next to our water
>>> heater for reference.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Distributors don’t normally stock any of my tower mounts.  
Almost all tower mounts drop ship from my shop.  

(No sense in anyone paying the freight companies twice.)  

Note, the vertical pipe is not included.  You supply the pipe.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Do you know of any distributors who stock these?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  This one will do 24 inches:
  http://www.mccowntech.com/side-arm-tower-mount/

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:29 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  I'm not exactly sure how much standoff I need, I guess that is part of the 
question.

  On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says (2 
ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or 
Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.  
Sitepro1 also has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for use 
with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.

On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Here is a good ‘un:
  http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?  
It will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some sort 
of standoff to minimize shadowing. 

  -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

2016-03-10 Thread Darren Shea

The German Beer Purity Law calls for 4 ingredients in beer: Malted barley, 
yeast, hops, and water. Different barleys impart different flavors (for 
instance, stouts are often made with roasted barley), different yeast strains 
can affect the flavor, and the hops have a huge effect on the flavor, based on 
the varieties and quantities used, as well as where in the process they are 
added. There are also differences between ales and lagers, which are fermented 
differently.

 

IPAs (Inda Pale Ales) are made with a lot of hops, which gives the beer certain 
characteristics, including a hardiness for long voyages, but they do add a 
level of bitterness and aromas - my wife says they taste “perfume-y” to her. 
Brown ales, on the other hand, usually have a very mild hop level and a 
stronger malt flavor. Most stouts are light on hops, or have just enough for a 
good balance against the malt, and the Irish varieties will be very popular in 
a week!

 

n  Darren

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

 

So as a mostly bone dry tee-totaler, what is the difference between these 
different types of beers?  I hear IPAs are bitter.  No clue as to how it would 
differ from a stout or ale or etc etc.  I thought they were all barley, yeast 
and water?

 

From: Darren Shea   

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

 

I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert beer, what with 
the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good – very drinkable and not overly 
sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA, Imperial IPA, etc.) beer fan, but a good 
stout is always worthwhile.

 

n  Darren

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

 

Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last weekend. 
Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to the hype. One 
of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come close are Clown Shoes 
Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and Lakewood's 
Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?

 

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Second tied with Modelo 

On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to Mars.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826

 

I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these commercials 
always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Yeah baby!

Josh Baird wrote:

Me!

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:

Any beer lovers going to the conference next week?

Josh Reynolds wrote:

I love Russian Imperial Stouts...

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Cameron Crum
> wrote:

Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad
Baptist last weekend.
Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It
lived up to the hype.
One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that
come close are Clown
Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial
Stout), and Lakewood's
Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin'
time yet?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza
>
wrote:

Second tied with Modelo

On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"
> wrote:

How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him
on a one-way trip to
Mars.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826

I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice,
but somehow these
commercials always remind me of him.  Stay
thirsty, my friend.

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Do you know of any distributors who stock these?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> This one will do 24 inches:
> http://www.mccowntech.com/side-arm-tower-mount/
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>
> I'm not exactly sure how much standoff I need, I guess that is part of the
> question.
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says
>> (2 ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or
>> Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.
>> Sitepro1 also has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>>
>> I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for
>> use with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Here is a good ‘un:
>>> http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>>>
>>> Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?
>>> It will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some
>>> sort of standoff to minimize shadowing.
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [BULK] Re: OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

JP's makes a white stout, I'm not big into stouts, but I like it:

http://www.jpbrewery.com/casper.html

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> What about stout blondes?  Or is "blonde" also a type of beer?
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [BULK] Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
> IPAs are "trendy", hoppy, and bitter. I'm not a fan. Many people like
> them though.
>
> I like stouts, blondes, and wheat beers. To each their own.
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> So as a mostly bone dry tee-totaler, what is the difference between these
>> different types of beers?  I hear IPAs are bitter.  No clue as to how it
>> would differ from a stout or ale or etc etc.  I thought they were all
>> barley, yeast and water?
>>
>> From: Darren Shea
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>>
>>
>> I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert beer, what
>> with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good – very drinkable and
>> not overly sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA, Imperial IPA, etc.) beer
>> fan,
>> but a good stout is always worthwhile.
>>
>>
>>
>> n  Darren
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>>
>>
>>
>> Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last
>> weekend.
>> Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to the
>> hype.
>> One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come close are
>> Clown
>> Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and
>> Lakewood's
>> Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza > >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Second tied with Modelo
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>> How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to
>> Mars.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826
>>
>>
>>
>> I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
>> commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

2016-03-10 Thread Bruce Robertson

10-15, not 150-15... the count is certainly not going down! :-)

On 03/10/2016 12:36 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
Oh, absolutely! Especially recently, with all the microbrews.
Reno alone has probably 150-15 microbreweries. I haven't counted in
awhile.

On 03/10/2016 12:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
So with that many variations, it would seem to me there would be a
whole world of folks that taste beers and make pithy comments like
the wine snobs?

*From:* Bruce Robertson
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:33 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
Lots of differences:

The amount you roast the barley. (More roasting leads to darker
beers, though not necessarily stronger.)
The /amount/ of barley and other forms of sugar. (Ultimately, the
barley is just a source of sugar for the yeasties.)

The type of yeast you use.
The type and amounts of hops you use.
When and how you add the hops.
Various adjuncts can be used - water hardeners and softeners, clarity
agents, additional flavorants...

Many things I've left out.

There is pretty much an infinite number of variations...

On 03/10/2016 12:28 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
So as a mostly bone dry tee-totaler, what is the difference between
these different types of beers? I hear IPAs are bitter. No clue as
to how it would differ from a stout or ale or etc etc. I thought
they were all barley, yeast and water?

*From:* Darren Shea
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert
beer, what with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good –
very drinkable and not overly sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA,
Imperial IPA, etc.) beer fan, but a good stout is always worthwhile.

nDarren

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last
weekend. Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived
up to the hype. One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones
that come close are Clown Shoes Brewery's Blaecorn Unidragon
(Russian Imperial Stout), and Lakewood's Temptress (Imperial Milk
Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza
wrote:

Second tied with Modelo

On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote:

How to retire a fictional spokesperson? Send him on a one-way trip
to Mars.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826

I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
commercials always remind me of him. Stay thirsty, my friend.

!DSPAM:2,56e1dad9205832157586259!

Re: [AFMUG] [BULK] Re: OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

I am kinda fond of stout blonds... at least back in the day...

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [BULK] Re: OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Blondes are a style, but I like where you are going with this. 

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  What about stout blondes?  Or is "blonde" also a type of beer?

  -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:32 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [BULK] Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

  IPAs are "trendy", hoppy, and bitter. I'm not a fan. Many people like
  them though.

  I like stouts, blondes, and wheat beers. To each their own.

  On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

So as a mostly bone dry tee-totaler, what is the difference between these
different types of beers?  I hear IPAs are bitter.  No clue as to how it
would differ from a stout or ale or etc etc.  I thought they were all
barley, yeast and water?

From: Darren Shea
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert beer, what
with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good – very drinkable and
not overly sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA, Imperial IPA, etc.) beer fan,
but a good stout is always worthwhile.

n  Darren

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last weekend.
Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to the hype.
One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come close are Clown
Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and Lakewood's
Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

Second tied with Modelo

On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to Mars.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826

I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.

Re: [AFMUG] [BULK] Re: OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Blondes are a style, but I like where you are going with this.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> What about stout blondes?  Or is "blonde" also a type of beer?
>
> -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [BULK] Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
> IPAs are "trendy", hoppy, and bitter. I'm not a fan. Many people like
> them though.
>
> I like stouts, blondes, and wheat beers. To each their own.
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> So as a mostly bone dry tee-totaler, what is the difference between these
>> different types of beers?  I hear IPAs are bitter.  No clue as to how it
>> would differ from a stout or ale or etc etc.  I thought they were all
>> barley, yeast and water?
>>
>> From: Darren Shea
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>>
>>
>> I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert beer, what
>> with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good – very drinkable and
>> not overly sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA, Imperial IPA, etc.) beer
>> fan,
>> but a good stout is always worthwhile.
>>
>>
>>
>> n  Darren
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>>
>>
>>
>> Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last
>> weekend.
>> Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to the
>> hype.
>> One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come close are
>> Clown
>> Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and
>> Lakewood's
>> Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza > >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Second tied with Modelo
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>> How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to
>> Mars.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826
>>
>>
>>
>> I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
>> commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [BULK] Re: OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

What about stout blondes?  Or is "blonde" also a type of beer?

-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [BULK] Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

IPAs are "trendy", hoppy, and bitter. I'm not a fan. Many people like
them though.

I like stouts, blondes, and wheat beers. To each their own.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

So as a mostly bone dry tee-totaler, what is the difference between these
different types of beers?  I hear IPAs are bitter.  No clue as to how it
would differ from a stout or ale or etc etc.  I thought they were all
barley, yeast and water?

From: Darren Shea
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert beer, what
with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good – very drinkable and
not overly sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA, Imperial IPA, etc.) beer 
fan,

but a good stout is always worthwhile.

n  Darren

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last 
weekend.
Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to the 
hype.
One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come close are 
Clown
Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and 
Lakewood's

Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

Second tied with Modelo

On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to 
Mars.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826

I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

I've used elderflower in a beer. It came out nice...not sure about
elderberries though.


On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Hmmm, am I detecting a  hint of elderberries and French soldier farts.
>
> *From:* Bruce Robertson 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:36 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
> Oh, absolutely!  Especially recently, with all the microbrews.  Reno
> alone has probably 150-15 microbreweries.  I haven't counted in awhile.
>
> On 03/10/2016 12:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> So with that many variations, it would seem to me there would be a whole
> world of folks that taste beers and make pithy comments like the wine snobs?
>
> *From:* Bruce Robertson 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
> Lots of differences:
>
> The amount you roast the barley.  (More roasting leads to darker beers,
> though not necessarily stronger.)
> The *amount* of barley and other forms of sugar.  (Ultimately, the barley
> is just a source of sugar for the yeasties.)
> The type of yeast you use.
> The type and amounts of hops you use.
> When and how you add the hops.
> Various adjuncts can be used - water hardeners and softeners, clarity
> agents, additional flavorants...
> Many things I've left out.
>
> There is pretty much an infinite number of variations...
>
>
> On 03/10/2016 12:28 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> So as a mostly bone dry tee-totaler, what is the difference between these
> different types of beers?  I hear IPAs are bitter.  No clue as to how it
> would differ from a stout or ale or etc etc.  I thought they were all
> barley, yeast and water?
>
> *From:* Darren Shea 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
>
> I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert beer, what
> with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good – very drinkable and
> not overly sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA, Imperial IPA, etc.) beer fan,
> but a good stout is always worthwhile.
>
>
>
> n  Darren
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
>
>
> Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last
> weekend. Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to
> the hype. One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come
> close are Clown Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial
> Stout), and Lakewood's Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it
> quitin' time yet?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Second tied with Modelo
>
> On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com>
> wrote:
>
> How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to
> Mars.
>
>
>
>
> 
> http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826
>
>
>
> I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
> commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.
>
>
>
>
> !DSPAM:2,56e1da84204602651012302!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

You forgot the hops which is where beer gets most of its flavor. Different
hops have different bitterness measured in IBU. Throw in some really high
IBU hops and you get a more "bitter" beer although not bitter like you
might think. Barleys are also roasted at different levels measured in
lavibonds giving you darker or lighter beers depending on how much you use.
The combinations are many. Maybe we can have an off topic session at one of
the Wispa shows and I can run a brewing class?


On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> So as a mostly bone dry tee-totaler, what is the difference between these
> different types of beers?  I hear IPAs are bitter.  No clue as to how it
> would differ from a stout or ale or etc etc.  I thought they were all
> barley, yeast and water?
>
> *From:* Darren Shea 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
>
> I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert beer, what
> with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good – very drinkable and
> not overly sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA, Imperial IPA, etc.) beer fan,
> but a good stout is always worthwhile.
>
>
>
> n  Darren
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
>
>
> Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last
> weekend. Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to
> the hype. One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come
> close are Clown Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial
> Stout), and Lakewood's Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it
> quitin' time yet?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Second tied with Modelo
>
> On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to
> Mars.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826
>
>
>
> I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
> commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Hmmm, am I detecting a  hint of elderberries and French soldier farts.  

From: Bruce Robertson 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Oh, absolutely!  Especially recently, with all the microbrews.  Reno alone 
has probably 150-15 microbreweries.  I haven't counted in awhile.

On 03/10/2016 12:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  So with that many variations, it would seem to me there would be a whole 
world of folks that taste beers and make pithy comments like the wine snobs?

  From: Bruce Robertson 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:33 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

  Lots of differences:

  The amount you roast the barley.  (More roasting leads to darker beers, 
though not necessarily stronger.)
  The amount of barley and other forms of sugar.  (Ultimately, the barley is 
just a source of sugar for the yeasties.)
  The type of yeast you use.
  The type and amounts of hops you use.
  When and how you add the hops.
  Various adjuncts can be used - water hardeners and softeners, clarity agents, 
additional flavorants...
  Many things I've left out.

  There is pretty much an infinite number of variations...

  On 03/10/2016 12:28 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So as a mostly bone dry tee-totaler, what is the difference between these 
different types of beers?  I hear IPAs are bitter.  No clue as to how it would 
differ from a stout or ale or etc etc.  I thought they were all barley, yeast 
and water?

From: Darren Shea 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert beer, what 
with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good – very drinkable and not 
overly sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA, Imperial IPA, etc.) beer fan, but a 
good stout is always worthwhile.

n  Darren

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last 
weekend. Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to the 
hype. One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come close are 
Clown Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and 
Lakewood's Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Second tied with Modelo 

On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to Mars.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826

I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these 
commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.

  !DSPAM:2,56e1da84204602651012302!

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

You will always have diffraction effects.  No way around it.  Different spacing 
causes different effects.  I would put it on the side of the tower that has the 
majority of the customers.  

For certain 2 wavelengths.  At 10 wavelengths most of the worst effects are 
gone.  So 20 inches for 5 GHz.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

I thought Chuck posted something awhile back about X many wavelengths, I 
suspect 2 ft should be fine at 5 GHz, but no matter what I assume you’ll lose 
some signal going through the tower.

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

I'm not exactly sure how much standoff I need, I guess that is part of the 
question.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says (2 
ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or 
Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.  
Sitepro1 also has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for use 
with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.

  On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Here is a good ‘un:
http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?  It 
will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some sort of 
standoff to minimize shadowing. 

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

2016-03-10 Thread Bruce Robertson

Oh, absolutely! Especially recently, with all the microbrews. Reno
alone has probably 150-15 microbreweries. I haven't counted in awhile.

On 03/10/2016 12:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
So with that many variations, it would seem to me there would be a
whole world of folks that taste beers and make pithy comments like the
wine snobs?

*From:* Bruce Robertson
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:33 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
Lots of differences:

The type of yeast you use.
The type and amounts of hops you use.
When and how you add the hops.
Various adjuncts can be used - water hardeners and softeners, clarity
agents, additional flavorants...

Many things I've left out.

There is pretty much an infinite number of variations...

*From:* Darren Shea
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert beer,
what with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good – very
drinkable and not overly sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA, Imperial
IPA, etc.) beer fan, but a good stout is always worthwhile.

nDarren

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last
weekend. Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived
up to the hype. One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones
that come close are Clown Shoes Brewery's Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian
Imperial Stout), and Lakewood's Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout).
Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza
> wrote:

Second tied with Modelo

On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof" > wrote:

How to retire a fictional spokesperson? Send him on a one-way trip to
Mars.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826

I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
commercials always remind me of him. Stay thirsty, my friend.

!DSPAM:2,56e1da84204602651012302!

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

So with that many variations, it would seem to me there would be a whole world 
of folks that taste beers and make pithy comments like the wine snobs?

From: Bruce Robertson 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Lots of differences:

The amount you roast the barley.  (More roasting leads to darker beers, though 
not necessarily stronger.)
The amount of barley and other forms of sugar.  (Ultimately, the barley is just 
a source of sugar for the yeasties.)
The type of yeast you use.
The type and amounts of hops you use.
When and how you add the hops.
Various adjuncts can be used - water hardeners and softeners, clarity agents, 
additional flavorants...
Many things I've left out.

There is pretty much an infinite number of variations...

On 03/10/2016 12:28 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  So as a mostly bone dry tee-totaler, what is the difference between these 
different types of beers?  I hear IPAs are bitter.  No clue as to how it would 
differ from a stout or ale or etc etc.  I thought they were all barley, yeast 
and water?

  From: Darren Shea 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

  I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert beer, what 
with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good – very drinkable and not 
overly sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA, Imperial IPA, etc.) beer fan, but a 
good stout is always worthwhile.

  n  Darren

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

  Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last weekend. 
Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to the hype. One 
of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come close are Clown Shoes 
Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and Lakewood's 
Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?

  On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Second tied with Modelo 

  On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to Mars.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826

  I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these commercials 
always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.

  !DSPAM:2,56e1d8fe198275073881709!

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Beer snobbery is a huge thing.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> So with that many variations, it would seem to me there would be a whole
> world of folks that taste beers and make pithy comments like the wine snobs?
>
> *From:* Bruce Robertson 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
> Lots of differences:
>
> The amount you roast the barley.  (More roasting leads to darker beers,
> though not necessarily stronger.)
> The *amount* of barley and other forms of sugar.  (Ultimately, the barley
> is just a source of sugar for the yeasties.)
> The type of yeast you use.
> The type and amounts of hops you use.
> When and how you add the hops.
> Various adjuncts can be used - water hardeners and softeners, clarity
> agents, additional flavorants...
> Many things I've left out.
>
> There is pretty much an infinite number of variations...
>
>
> On 03/10/2016 12:28 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> So as a mostly bone dry tee-totaler, what is the difference between these
> different types of beers?  I hear IPAs are bitter.  No clue as to how it
> would differ from a stout or ale or etc etc.  I thought they were all
> barley, yeast and water?
>
> *From:* Darren Shea 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
>
> I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert beer, what
> with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good – very drinkable and
> not overly sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA, Imperial IPA, etc.) beer fan,
> but a good stout is always worthwhile.
>
>
>
> n  Darren
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
>
>
> Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last
> weekend. Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to
> the hype. One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come
> close are Clown Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial
> Stout), and Lakewood's Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it
> quitin' time yet?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Second tied with Modelo
>
> On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to
> Mars.
>
>
>
>
> 
> http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826
>
>
>
> I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
> commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.
>
>
> !DSPAM:2,56e1d8fe198275073881709!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

I thought Chuck posted something awhile back about X many wavelengths, I 
suspect 2 ft should be fine at 5 GHz, but no matter what I assume you’ll lose 
some signal going through the tower.

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

I'm not exactly sure how much standoff I need, I guess that is part of the 
question.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says (2 
ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or 
Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.  
Sitepro1 also has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for use 
with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.

  On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Here is a good ‘un:
http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?  It 
will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some sort of 
standoff to minimize shadowing. 

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

2016-03-10 Thread Bruce Robertson

Lots of differences:

The amount you roast the barley. (More roasting leads to darker beers,
though not necessarily stronger.)
The /amount/ of barley and other forms of sugar. (Ultimately, the
barley is just a source of sugar for the yeasties.)

The type of yeast you use.
The type and amounts of hops you use.
When and how you add the hops.
Various adjuncts can be used - water hardeners and softeners, clarity
agents, additional flavorants...

Many things I've left out.

There is pretty much an infinite number of variations...

*From:* Darren Shea
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert beer,
what with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good – very
drinkable and not overly sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA, Imperial
IPA, etc.) beer fan, but a good stout is always worthwhile.

nDarren

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last
weekend. Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived
up to the hype. One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones
that come close are Clown Shoes Brewery's Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian
Imperial Stout), and Lakewood's Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout).
Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza
> wrote:

Second tied with Modelo

On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof" > wrote:

How to retire a fictional spokesperson? Send him on a one-way trip to
Mars.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826

I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
commercials always remind me of him. Stay thirsty, my friend.

!DSPAM:2,56e1d8fe198275073881709!

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Stouts are heavy and dark, IPAs are an ale (India Pale Ale) and tend to be
fairly bitter, there are many different types of ales, so that one is a bit
more difficult to describe taste wise

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> So as a mostly bone dry tee-totaler, what is the difference between these
> different types of beers?  I hear IPAs are bitter.  No clue as to how it
> would differ from a stout or ale or etc etc.  I thought they were all
> barley, yeast and water?
>
> *From:* Darren Shea 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
>
> I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert beer, what
> with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good – very drinkable and
> not overly sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA, Imperial IPA, etc.) beer fan,
> but a good stout is always worthwhile.
>
>
>
> n  Darren
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
>
>
> Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last
> weekend. Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to
> the hype. One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come
> close are Clown Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial
> Stout), and Lakewood's Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it
> quitin' time yet?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Second tied with Modelo
>
> On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to
> Mars.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826
>
>
>
> I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
> commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

This one will do 24 inches:
http://www.mccowntech.com/side-arm-tower-mount/

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

I'm not exactly sure how much standoff I need, I guess that is part of the 
question.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says (2 
ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or 
Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.  
Sitepro1 also has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for use 
with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.

  On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Here is a good ‘un:
http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
Subject: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?  It 
will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some sort of 
standoff to minimize shadowing. 

-Jason

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

IPAs are "trendy", hoppy, and bitter. I'm not a fan. Many people like
them though.

I like stouts, blondes, and wheat beers. To each their own.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> So as a mostly bone dry tee-totaler, what is the difference between these
> different types of beers?  I hear IPAs are bitter.  No clue as to how it
> would differ from a stout or ale or etc etc.  I thought they were all
> barley, yeast and water?
>
> From: Darren Shea
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
>
> I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert beer, what
> with the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good – very drinkable and
> not overly sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA, Imperial IPA, etc.) beer fan,
> but a good stout is always worthwhile.
>
>
>
> n  Darren
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World
>
>
>
> Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last weekend.
> Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to the hype.
> One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come close are Clown
> Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and Lakewood's
> Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Second tied with Modelo
>
> On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to Mars.
>
>
>
> http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826
>
>
>
> I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
> commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

I'm not exactly sure how much standoff I need, I guess that is part of the
question.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says
> (2 ft standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or
> Connect-It Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.
> Sitepro1 also has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!
>
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>
> I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for
> use with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.
>
> On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Here is a good ‘un:
>> http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>>
>> Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?
>> It will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some
>> sort of standoff to minimize shadowing.
>>
>> -Jason
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

So as a mostly bone dry tee-totaler, what is the difference between these 
different types of beers?  I hear IPAs are bitter.  No clue as to how it would 
differ from a stout or ale or etc etc.  I thought they were all barley, yeast 
and water?

From: Darren Shea 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert beer, what with 
the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good – very drinkable and not overly 
sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA, Imperial IPA, etc.) beer fan, but a good 
stout is always worthwhile.

n  Darren

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last weekend. 
Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to the hype. One 
of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come close are Clown Shoes 
Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and Lakewood's 
Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Second tied with Modelo 

On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to Mars.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826

I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these commercials 
always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

I'm more of a hard liquor drinker (I own two bars), but I've been getting
more into sours the past year or so.  This one was pretty kick ass:

http://beerstreetjournal.com/schlafly-the-eleventh-labor-2/

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last
> weekend. Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to
> the hype. One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come
> close are Clown Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial
> Stout), and Lakewood's Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it
> quitin' time yet?
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Second tied with Modelo
>> On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>>> How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to
>>> Mars.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826
>>>
>>> I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
>>> commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater?

2016-03-10 Thread Chuck Hogg

They made them in single polarity, but not dual.

Regards,
Chuck

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> can someone make something similar in omni?
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> price?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:01 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
>> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The new AirPrism 3x30 sector is a MONSTER! I put it next to our water
>>> heater for reference.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

2016-03-10 Thread Darren Shea

I just tried that Temptress last week – it was almost a dessert beer, what with 
the mint and vanilla flavors. Surprisingly good – very drinkable and not overly 
sweet. Normally a more hoppy (IPA, Imperial IPA, etc.) beer fan, but a good 
stout is always worthwhile.

 

n  Darren

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 1:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

 

Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last weekend. 
Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to the hype. One 
of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come close are Clown Shoes 
Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and Lakewood's 
Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?

 

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Second tied with Modelo 

On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to Mars.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826

 

I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these commercials 
always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

How much standoff do you need?  I have used Andrew S200 like George says (2 ft 
standoff) or S300 (3 ft), actually they go up to 6 ft standoff.  Or Connect-It 
Wireless S2-S6.  Can be used on vertical or sloping tower legs.  Sitepro1 also 
has several solutions, some of which are YUGE!

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for use 
with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.

On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Here is a good ‘un:
  http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

  Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?  It 
will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some sort of 
standoff to minimize shadowing. 

  -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

2016-03-10 Thread Josh Baird

Me!

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Any beer lovers going to the conference next week?
>
>
> Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
>> I love Russian Imperial Stouts...
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>>
>>> Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last
>>> weekend.
>>> Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to the
>>> hype.
>>> One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come close are
>>> Clown
>>> Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and
>>> Lakewood's
>>> Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Second tied with Modelo

 On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to
> Mars.
>
>
>
> http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826
>
> I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
> commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World


Any beer lovers going to the conference next week?

Josh Reynolds wrote:

I love Russian Imperial Stouts...

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last weekend.
Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to the hype.
One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come close are Clown
Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and Lakewood's
Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

Second tied with Modelo

On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to
Mars.


http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826

I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.

Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater?

You want 3 omnis in one radome? :P

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> can someone make something similar in omni?
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>>
>> price?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:01 PM, can...@believewireless.net
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> The new AirPrism 3x30 sector is a MONSTER! I put it next to our water
>>> heater for reference.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater?

can someone make something similar in omni?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> price?
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:01 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> The new AirPrism 3x30 sector is a MONSTER! I put it next to our water
>> heater for reference.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater?

2016-03-10 Thread can...@believewireless.net

$413

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> price?
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:01 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> The new AirPrism 3x30 sector is a MONSTER! I put it next to our water
>> heater for reference.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater?

price?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 4:01 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> The new AirPrism 3x30 sector is a MONSTER! I put it next to our water
> heater for reference.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

Suck ups...

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I am at DQ with three of my thirteen grandkids having lunch I told
> them you guys think I looked like that guy and they said he is older and
> not as  handsomeha.  guess they Are getting dessert
> On Mar 10, 2016 12:56 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> I love Russian Imperial Stouts...
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>> > Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last
>> weekend.
>> > Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to the
>> hype.
>> > One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come close are
>> Clown
>> > Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and
>> Lakewood's
>> > Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Second tied with Modelo
>> >>
>> >> On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to
>> >>> Mars.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826
>> >>>
>> >>> I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
>> >>> commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.
>> >
>> >
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Surge Suppressors

Hmmm, others have had success.  Odd.  

-Original Message- 
From: Jerry Head 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:59 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Surge Suppressors 

The GigE HV APC caused the port to flap on our B5 lites...did not even 
try them on our B5s after that.

On 3/10/2016 12:22 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Which model of Chuck's APC line of surge suppressors would one use 
with Mimosa gear (B5 / B5 lite)?

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

I am at DQ with three of my thirteen grandkids having lunch I told them
you guys think I looked like that guy and they said he is older and not as
handsomeha.  guess they Are getting dessert
On Mar 10, 2016 12:56 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> I love Russian Imperial Stouts...
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> > Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last
> weekend.
> > Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to the
> hype.
> > One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come close are
> Clown
> > Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and
> Lakewood's
> > Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Second tied with Modelo
> >>
> >> On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to
> >>> Mars.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826
> >>>
> >>> I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
> >>> commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater?

2016-03-10 Thread can...@believewireless.net

Yes

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> That's three separate 30 degree dual polarity antennas inside one radome?
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:01 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> The new AirPrism 3x30 sector is a MONSTER! I put it next to our water
>> heater for reference.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Who ordered the water heater?

That's three separate 30 degree dual polarity antennas inside one radome?

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 12:01 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> The new AirPrism 3x30 sector is a MONSTER! I put it next to our water
> heater for reference.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff

I had looked at those, I just didn't know if it had enough standoff for use
with an omni - from a shadowing perspective.

On Thursday, March 10, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Here is a good ‘un:
> http://www.mccowntech.com/24-inch-pipe-standoff/
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5GHz Omni standoff
>
> Anyone have suggestions for a standoff mount for use with a 5GHz omni?  It
> will be mounted to the side of a Pirod tower, so I'm going to need some
> sort of standoff to minimize shadowing.
>
> -Jason
>

Re: [AFMUG] Surge Suppressors

2016-03-10 Thread Jerry Head

The GigE HV APC caused the port to flap on our B5 lites...did not even 
try them on our B5s after that.


On 3/10/2016 12:22 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
Which model of Chuck's APC line of surge suppressors would one use 
with Mimosa gear (B5 / B5 lite)?

Re: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP

2016-03-10 Thread Daniel Gerlach

Backhaul is PTP 800

2016-03-10 20:52 GMT+01:00 Mathew Howard :
> Yeah... but what is the backhaul? specifically, is it an ePMP in TDD mode?
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Daniel Gerlach 
> wrote:
>>
>> at the Switch Port full Speed with speedtest.net..webgui speed test
>> 120/50 and with speedtest from CPE 17/10 with MCS 14-15
>>
>> 2016-03-10 20:21 GMT+01:00 Josh Luthman :
>> > Mind if I ask what you're using for backhauls?  I've got no issues.  I'm
>> > seeing fantastic speeds all the way around.
>> >
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Daniel Gerlach
>> > 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> we have the same Problem with the epmp Stuff..only problems and bugs
>> >> from the beginning!
>> >>
>> >> 2016-03-07 17:00 GMT+01:00 Darren Shea :
>> >> > We had seen some issues with ePMP customers on high-speed plans
>> >> > getting
>> >> > poor speedtest results - we found that changing the customer's
>> >> > router's MTU
>> >> > from Auto to 1480 helped immensely. Another factor was to make sure
>> >> > that all
>> >> > backhauls in the path were running at full connection speed (in other
>> >> > words,
>> >> > a backhaul whose Ethernet port can run at 1000M should be running at
>> >> > 1000M,
>> >> > even if the traffic never approaches 100M) all the way out to the
>> >> > internet.
>> >> >
>> >> >   --  Darren
>> >> >
>> >> > -Original Message-
>> >> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson
>> >> > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 10:27 AM
>> >> > To: af@afmug.com
>> >> > Subject: [AFMUG] Poor throughput on ePMP AP
>> >> >
>> >> > Sp I have an issue. Tower is a 4 sector ePMP setup and two backhauls.
>> >> > We are seeing poor throughput when connected to the APs (all of
>> >> > them).
>> >> > Signals are great. Quality and capacity are great.  When going
>> >> > through the
>> >> > AP we are consistently seeing 4-5 megs of download out to a known
>> >> > speedtest
>> >> > server.  If we plug into the same wired port on which the AP, which
>> >> > gave us
>> >> > the poor throughput, we can max out the 100 meg uplink. Issue only
>> >> > happens
>> >> > when going through the wireless.   Here is what I know:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > 1.APs are set to 75/25.  SM can do a link test and get 50meg x 12meg
>> >> > on
>> >> > the link test.  So RF is good.  Isolated AP to where only one client
>> >> > was on.
>> >> > Same great results.
>> >> >
>> >> > 2.Firmware does not seem to be a factor.  Can reproduce this on
>> >> > 2.6.1,
>> >> > 2.5.1, and 2.4.3.
>> >> >
>> >> > 3.Have replaced POE injectors 3 times with different manufactures.
>> >> >
>> >> > 4.Does not matter if it is DHCP or PPPoE. Hard wired is fine.
>> >> > Wireless
>> >> > stinks.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > The AP is plugged into a POE which then plugs into a Mikrotik 2011.
>> >> > If
>> >> > I plug into the same exact port the aps plug into speeds are great.
>> >> > The only
>> >> > thing that is left is patch cable to POE, Cable to AP, or AP.  I
>> >> > refuse to
>> >> > think 6 cables on the tower do the exact same thing.  The odds for
>> >> > that are
>> >> > Powerball winning crazy. Speediest from a laptop hooked to an SM to
>> >> > the 2011
>> >> > are poor.  4-5 megs consistent with spikes up to 10-13, but all over
>> >> > the
>> >> > place.  Acts like negotiation.  Have set Mikrotik to Auto, to 100 meg
>> >> > full,
>> >> > only accepted 100 meg on auto.
>> >> >
>> >> > Customers who have 5 meg packages or below don’t see this.  Those
>> >> > with
>> >> > 10 meg packages are the ones seeing 4-5 meg speeds. 10 meg packages
>> >> > did
>> >> > work.
>> >> >
>> >> > Clients are mainly at 2.6.1, but we can reproduce this with a 2.5 and
>> >> > 2.4.x SMs. Nothign has changed in the network, which tests out just
>> >> > fine up
>> >> > to the point it gets handed off to the ePMP.
>> >> >
>> >> > Anyone ran into this? Any thoughts?
>> >> >
>> >> > Justin
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World

I love Russian Imperial Stouts...

On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
> Probably not up your alley, but just tried the Big Bad Baptist last weekend.
> Imperial Stout out of Utah with a 100 on RateBeer. It lived up to the hype.
> One of the best I've had in a while. The only ones that come close are Clown
> Shoes Brewery's  Blaecorn Unidragon (Russian Imperial Stout), and Lakewood's
> Temptress (Imperial Milk Stout). Mmmmis it quitin' time yet?
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>>
>> Second tied with Modelo
>>
>> On Mar 10, 2016 11:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>>
>>> How to retire a fictional spokesperson?  Send him on a one-way trip to
>>> Mars.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/dos-equis-retires-most-interesting-man-world-mars-n535826
>>>
>>> I know Dos Equis isn’t Jaime’s drink of choice, but somehow these
>>> commercials always remind me of him.  Stay thirsty, my friend.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Adios, Most Interesting Man In The World