Re: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations

[Jason McKemie]

I was able to configure one to "pass" the public IP address over to a
router behind the at unit. Can't remember the exact setting, it was a bit
convoluted though. Not sure why they don't just have a bridge setting.

On Sunday, May 1, 2016, Nate Burke  wrote:

> It seems like the "Official" Solution is to put a 2nd router behind it,
> then put that router on a DMZ Address.  Wouldn't that mean Double NAT
> Then?  And probably loose all the IPv6 then.
>
> On 5/1/2016 10:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Can you just set it to bridge?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On May 1, 2016 11:13 PM, "Nate Burke"  > wrote:
>
>> I'm doing work at an office that is fed with AT DSL.  The AT router
>> is a piece of Garbage.  I can't disable the internal DHCP Server, or do any
>> IPV4 port forwarding (however, it is handing out IPv6 addresses)  On the
>> inside of the network, I already have unifi and Managed switches, so I just
>> need a hardwired DSL router with no Wifi.  Any recommendations for one?
>> I'd love to use a Mikrotik, but I don't think they ever came out with a
>> Routerboard with a DSL Port did they?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations

[Trey Scarborough]

On the ATT 2wire routers it no longer has an option for bridge. I think 
they wanted to make certain they have access to upgrade them. Instead 
they have a feature called pinhole I believe. Look for it in the 
firewall settings. Basically you tell it the mac you want it to go to 
and it does a proxy arp for the public address you get. So both the 
2wire and your router have the same address on the on the outside, but 
it forwards all the traffic in to the pinhole mac.



On 5/1/2016 11:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Is it ADSL, or UVerse?

Back when I did ADSL, I used Zhone 6211/6212, but I think those are
discontinued now.


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 10:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations

I might be able to find them.  I'm not sure I even saw those settings in
the current DSL Router.  It came from AT and just worked.  In the
current DSL World, are things still PPPoE, or since they have a pair of
wires back to the DSLAM, the authenticate you that way?

I was just converting a customer from Frontier that had a Nighthawk
Router.  I didn't pay too much attention to it, but it had a Drop down
box to select your DSL Provider.  I don't remember if it had PPPoE
Settings in it or not.



On 5/1/2016 10:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I would get any cheap DSL modem and set it for RFC1483 bridging with
VPI=0 and VCI=35.  Last time I needed one, I found one from Actiontec
at Best Buy or Frys.  The Frys website says they are out of stock at
the Downers Grove store though.

Then set up your router of choice to do PPPoE, I assume you know the
customer's PPPoE credentials.


-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 10:13 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations

I'm doing work at an office that is fed with AT DSL.  The AT router
is a piece of Garbage.  I can't disable the internal DHCP Server, or do
any IPV4 port forwarding (however, it is handing out IPv6 addresses)  On
the inside of the network, I already have unifi and Managed switches, so
I just need a hardwired DSL router with no Wifi.  Any recommendations
for one?  I'd love to use a Mikrotik, but I don't think they ever came
out with a Routerboard with a DSL Port did they?

Re: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations

[Nate Burke]

It must be Uverse, It's on a dedicated pair.  No Dialtone on the line.

On 5/1/2016 11:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Is it ADSL, or UVerse?

Back when I did ADSL, I used Zhone 6211/6212, but I think those are 
discontinued now.



-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 10:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations

I might be able to find them.  I'm not sure I even saw those settings in
the current DSL Router.  It came from AT and just worked. In the
current DSL World, are things still PPPoE, or since they have a pair of
wires back to the DSLAM, the authenticate you that way?

I was just converting a customer from Frontier that had a Nighthawk
Router.  I didn't pay too much attention to it, but it had a Drop down
box to select your DSL Provider.  I don't remember if it had PPPoE
Settings in it or not.



On 5/1/2016 10:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I would get any cheap DSL modem and set it for RFC1483 bridging with 
VPI=0 and VCI=35.  Last time I needed one, I found one from Actiontec 
at Best Buy or Frys.  The Frys website says they are out of stock at 
the Downers Grove store though.


Then set up your router of choice to do PPPoE, I assume you know the 
customer's PPPoE credentials.



-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 10:13 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations

I'm doing work at an office that is fed with AT DSL.  The AT router
is a piece of Garbage.  I can't disable the internal DHCP Server, or do
any IPV4 port forwarding (however, it is handing out IPv6 addresses)  On
the inside of the network, I already have unifi and Managed switches, so
I just need a hardwired DSL router with no Wifi.  Any recommendations
for one?  I'd love to use a Mikrotik, but I don't think they ever came
out with a Routerboard with a DSL Port did they?

Re: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations

[Ken Hohhof]

Is it ADSL, or UVerse?

Back when I did ADSL, I used Zhone 6211/6212, but I think those are 
discontinued now.



-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 10:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations

I might be able to find them.  I'm not sure I even saw those settings in
the current DSL Router.  It came from AT and just worked.  In the
current DSL World, are things still PPPoE, or since they have a pair of
wires back to the DSLAM, the authenticate you that way?

I was just converting a customer from Frontier that had a Nighthawk
Router.  I didn't pay too much attention to it, but it had a Drop down
box to select your DSL Provider.  I don't remember if it had PPPoE
Settings in it or not.



On 5/1/2016 10:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I would get any cheap DSL modem and set it for RFC1483 bridging with VPI=0 
and VCI=35.  Last time I needed one, I found one from Actiontec at Best 
Buy or Frys.  The Frys website says they are out of stock at the Downers 
Grove store though.


Then set up your router of choice to do PPPoE, I assume you know the 
customer's PPPoE credentials.



-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 10:13 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations

I'm doing work at an office that is fed with AT DSL.  The AT router
is a piece of Garbage.  I can't disable the internal DHCP Server, or do
any IPV4 port forwarding (however, it is handing out IPv6 addresses)  On
the inside of the network, I already have unifi and Managed switches, so
I just need a hardwired DSL router with no Wifi.  Any recommendations
for one?  I'd love to use a Mikrotik, but I don't think they ever came
out with a Routerboard with a DSL Port did they?

Re: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations

[Nate Burke]

I might be able to find them.  I'm not sure I even saw those settings in 
the current DSL Router.  It came from AT and just worked.  In the 
current DSL World, are things still PPPoE, or since they have a pair of 
wires back to the DSLAM, the authenticate you that way?


I was just converting a customer from Frontier that had a Nighthawk 
Router.  I didn't pay too much attention to it, but it had a Drop down 
box to select your DSL Provider.  I don't remember if it had PPPoE 
Settings in it or not.




On 5/1/2016 10:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I would get any cheap DSL modem and set it for RFC1483 bridging with 
VPI=0 and VCI=35.  Last time I needed one, I found one from Actiontec 
at Best Buy or Frys.  The Frys website says they are out of stock at 
the Downers Grove store though.


Then set up your router of choice to do PPPoE, I assume you know the 
customer's PPPoE credentials.



-Original Message- From: Nate Burke
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 10:13 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations

I'm doing work at an office that is fed with AT DSL.  The AT router
is a piece of Garbage.  I can't disable the internal DHCP Server, or do
any IPV4 port forwarding (however, it is handing out IPv6 addresses)  On
the inside of the network, I already have unifi and Managed switches, so
I just need a hardwired DSL router with no Wifi.  Any recommendations
for one?  I'd love to use a Mikrotik, but I don't think they ever came
out with a Routerboard with a DSL Port did they?

Re: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I ran into this with an AT customer once, I finally dicked around in
their router and got it to bridge, I had to do something with the dhcp
server, I don't completely recall, but the AT tech was a douche so I hung
up on him and figured it out. I wish I could remember what I had to do. I
remember though that the interface terms didn't make sense on their face
but once I did whatever it was that I did, it worked, but they may have had
a /29 applied to the router
On May 1, 2016 10:18 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

Yes that'd be double NAT.  Who cares about IPv6...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 1, 2016 11:16 PM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

> It seems like the "Official" Solution is to put a 2nd router behind it,
> then put that router on a DMZ Address.  Wouldn't that mean Double NAT
> Then?  And probably loose all the IPv6 then.
>
> On 5/1/2016 10:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Can you just set it to bridge?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On May 1, 2016 11:13 PM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>
>> I'm doing work at an office that is fed with AT DSL.  The AT router
>> is a piece of Garbage.  I can't disable the internal DHCP Server, or do any
>> IPV4 port forwarding (however, it is handing out IPv6 addresses)  On the
>> inside of the network, I already have unifi and Managed switches, so I just
>> need a hardwired DSL router with no Wifi.  Any recommendations for one?
>> I'd love to use a Mikrotik, but I don't think they ever came out with a
>> Routerboard with a DSL Port did they?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations

[Ken Hohhof]

I would get any cheap DSL modem and set it for RFC1483 bridging with VPI=0 
and VCI=35.  Last time I needed one, I found one from Actiontec at Best Buy 
or Frys.  The Frys website says they are out of stock at the Downers Grove 
store though.


Then set up your router of choice to do PPPoE, I assume you know the 
customer's PPPoE credentials.



-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 10:13 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations

I'm doing work at an office that is fed with AT DSL.  The AT router
is a piece of Garbage.  I can't disable the internal DHCP Server, or do
any IPV4 port forwarding (however, it is handing out IPv6 addresses)  On
the inside of the network, I already have unifi and Managed switches, so
I just need a hardwired DSL router with no Wifi.  Any recommendations
for one?  I'd love to use a Mikrotik, but I don't think they ever came
out with a Routerboard with a DSL Port did they? 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Holy cow, Chuck said shit
On May 1, 2016 10:09 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Hyperloyalty pays shit when things go sideways.  I will never give anyone
> hyperloyalty again unless I am their DNA donor.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 01, 2016 8:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart
>
> Thats where i hit the "grey area" our other component is contract
> services, general IT, one component of which is security cameras, we arent
> cost effective, same with smb ptp, residential IT, all that. I technically
> dont have a no compete with my employer, i signed a restrictive one with my
> previous employer, it technically did not come with the transition when we
> split, and I made a point of not doing any contract work in my name with
> the previous partner for the duration of the no compete for that very
> reason. but, like the previous partner told me when i signed it, in
> Illinois, all a no compete really does is add however much hes willing to
> spend in court to the cost of my startup
>
> Ive turned down alot of side work to avoid conflict, just because i need
> steady income.
>
> (Im doing some bragging here) Heres a funny thing that recently happened,
> we had a contract with a healthcare customer that ended up dissolving into
> two separate entities, i handled the closeout, one entity didn't care, just
> started from scratch, the other migrated. i worked with them closing out,
> making sure systems moved, applicable data wasn't lost, licenses were
> replaced, ended up being a really clean and smooth transition for the
> customer (they literally closed out on a friday as one agency, opened on a
> monday as another, with no IT glitch). I met with the owner of the IT
> company that took IT over for a closeout lunch, it ended up being a 3 hour
> job interview, he wanted to hire me on the spot. It ended up I had to
> decline because of my personal commitments to my house ( I bought the one
> across from my parents, so i could help them age out until they die)
>
> Another of our customers who has always been a pseudo support contract I
> could never get closed because every time I handed it off to our customer
> service, they would screw it up has always asked me to handle their IT off
> the cuff. I always had to decline because of my stupid loyalty to my
> company.
>
> We recently lost that client to the same IT outfit that took over that
> split contract. The client called me one day to do some closeout, then all
> of a sudden told me he had a message from the other IT outfit telling me
> they would cover my relocation if id come over to them. Made me feel kind
> of tall.
>
> This is where that grey area screws me, I have no issue ITing out for
> anyone, my only rule is I wont outsource to anyone my employer has touched
> in any way. I screw myself because I have a good reputation and the
> majority of what would be my target market has come to us, for me, but
> declined because of the final details by ownership. I figure my hyper
> loyalty is karma for what i did to fathers daughters in my younger years.
>
> that was quite a rant, damn booze... I should probably go finish that
> walmart app
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
>> You should really look at doing security camera installs. I did some when
>> I had less WISP work and the wiring/networking aspects are really similar.
>> A number of businesses are OK with getting it done outside of standard work
>> hours to not affect their operations.
>>
>> You could do it by yourself or as a subcontractor to another outfit, but
>> you'd need to do at least a bit of the latter to learn some fine details of
>> the business. Some one or two man shops are pretty friendly and open to
>> occasional work.
>>
>> If you asked your WISP boss to let you put in the monthly bill "hey one
>> of our guys is starting this part-time business" etc. I bet you'd get lots
>> of inquiries already.
>>
>> As a bonus the camera service calls usually aren't as urgent as Internet
>> or pc repair service calls. Companies are often ok with a camera being down
>> a few days while never their internet or server.
>> On May 1, 2016 6:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ive been looking for a brain dead part time gig to keep me busy during
>>> what would normally be my designated drinking time, so i figured id go
>>> apply at walmart, stock some shelves or something overnight. holy cow, jail
>>> intake is less invasive. I ended up giving up, I just dont have the
>>> patience for that much effort for a minimum wage gig.
>>> what happened to the days when applying for mope work took mope effort?
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the 

Re: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations

[Josh Luthman]

Yes that'd be double NAT.  Who cares about IPv6...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 1, 2016 11:16 PM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

> It seems like the "Official" Solution is to put a 2nd router behind it,
> then put that router on a DMZ Address.  Wouldn't that mean Double NAT
> Then?  And probably loose all the IPv6 then.
>
> On 5/1/2016 10:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Can you just set it to bridge?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On May 1, 2016 11:13 PM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>
>> I'm doing work at an office that is fed with AT DSL.  The AT router
>> is a piece of Garbage.  I can't disable the internal DHCP Server, or do any
>> IPV4 port forwarding (however, it is handing out IPv6 addresses)  On the
>> inside of the network, I already have unifi and Managed switches, so I just
>> need a hardwired DSL router with no Wifi.  Any recommendations for one?
>> I'd love to use a Mikrotik, but I don't think they ever came out with a
>> Routerboard with a DSL Port did they?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations

[Nate Burke]

It seems like the "Official" Solution is to put a 2nd router behind it, 
then put that router on a DMZ Address.  Wouldn't that mean Double NAT 
Then?  And probably loose all the IPv6 then.


On 5/1/2016 10:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Can you just set it to bridge?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 1, 2016 11:13 PM, "Nate Burke" > wrote:


I'm doing work at an office that is fed with AT DSL.  The AT
router is a piece of Garbage.  I can't disable the internal DHCP
Server, or do any IPV4 port forwarding (however, it is handing out
IPv6 addresses)  On the inside of the network, I already have
unifi and Managed switches, so I just need a hardwired DSL router
with no Wifi.  Any recommendations for one?  I'd love to use a
Mikrotik, but I don't think they ever came out with a Routerboard
with a DSL Port did they?

Re: [AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations

[Josh Luthman]

Can you just set it to bridge?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On May 1, 2016 11:13 PM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

> I'm doing work at an office that is fed with AT DSL.  The AT router is
> a piece of Garbage.  I can't disable the internal DHCP Server, or do any
> IPV4 port forwarding (however, it is handing out IPv6 addresses)  On the
> inside of the network, I already have unifi and Managed switches, so I just
> need a hardwired DSL router with no Wifi.  Any recommendations for one?
> I'd love to use a Mikrotik, but I don't think they ever came out with a
> Routerboard with a DSL Port did they?
>

[AFMUG] DSL Router Recommendations

[Nate Burke]

I'm doing work at an office that is fed with AT DSL.  The AT router 
is a piece of Garbage.  I can't disable the internal DHCP Server, or do 
any IPV4 port forwarding (however, it is handing out IPv6 addresses)  On 
the inside of the network, I already have unifi and Managed switches, so 
I just need a hardwired DSL router with no Wifi.  Any recommendations 
for one?  I'd love to use a Mikrotik, but I don't think they ever came 
out with a Routerboard with a DSL Port did they?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart

[Chuck McCown]

Hyperloyalty pays shit when things go sideways.  I will never give anyone 
hyperloyalty again unless I am their DNA donor.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 8:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart

Thats where i hit the "grey area" our other component is contract services, 
general IT, one component of which is security cameras, we arent cost 
effective, same with smb ptp, residential IT, all that. I technically dont have 
a no compete with my employer, i signed a restrictive one with my previous 
employer, it technically did not come with the transition when we split, and I 
made a point of not doing any contract work in my name with the previous 
partner for the duration of the no compete for that very reason. but, like the 
previous partner told me when i signed it, in Illinois, all a no compete really 
does is add however much hes willing to spend in court to the cost of my 
startup 

Ive turned down alot of side work to avoid conflict, just because i need steady 
income.

(Im doing some bragging here) Heres a funny thing that recently happened, we 
had a contract with a healthcare customer that ended up dissolving into two 
separate entities, i handled the closeout, one entity didn't care, just started 
from scratch, the other migrated. i worked with them closing out, making sure 
systems moved, applicable data wasn't lost, licenses were replaced, ended up 
being a really clean and smooth transition for the customer (they literally 
closed out on a friday as one agency, opened on a monday as another, with no IT 
glitch). I met with the owner of the IT company that took IT over for a 
closeout lunch, it ended up being a 3 hour job interview, he wanted to hire me 
on the spot. It ended up I had to decline because of my personal commitments to 
my house ( I bought the one across from my parents, so i could help them age 
out until they die)

Another of our customers who has always been a pseudo support contract I could 
never get closed because every time I handed it off to our customer service, 
they would screw it up has always asked me to handle their IT off the cuff. I 
always had to decline because of my stupid loyalty to my company.

We recently lost that client to the same IT outfit that took over that split 
contract. The client called me one day to do some closeout, then all of a 
sudden told me he had a message from the other IT outfit telling me they would 
cover my relocation if id come over to them. Made me feel kind of tall.

This is where that grey area screws me, I have no issue ITing out for anyone, 
my only rule is I wont outsource to anyone my employer has touched in any way. 
I screw myself because I have a good reputation and the majority of what would 
be my target market has come to us, for me, but declined because of the final 
details by ownership. I figure my hyper loyalty is karma for what i did to 
fathers daughters in my younger years.

that was quite a rant, damn booze... I should probably go finish that walmart 
app

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

  You should really look at doing security camera installs. I did some when I 
had less WISP work and the wiring/networking aspects are really similar. A 
number of businesses are OK with getting it done outside of standard work hours 
to not affect their operations.

  You could do it by yourself or as a subcontractor to another outfit, but 
you'd need to do at least a bit of the latter to learn some fine details of the 
business. Some one or two man shops are pretty friendly and open to occasional 
work.

  If you asked your WISP boss to let you put in the monthly bill "hey one of 
our guys is starting this part-time business" etc. I bet you'd get lots of 
inquiries already. 

  As a bonus the camera service calls usually aren't as urgent as Internet or 
pc repair service calls. Companies are often ok with a camera being down a few 
days while never their internet or server.

  On May 1, 2016 6:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:

Ive been looking for a brain dead part time gig to keep me busy during what 
would normally be my designated drinking time, so i figured id go apply at 
walmart, stock some shelves or something overnight. holy cow, jail intake is 
less invasive. I ended up giving up, I just dont have the patience for that 
much effort for a minimum wage gig.
what happened to the days when applying for mope work took mope effort?
-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

You need to do an office supply store think Office Depot or OfficeMax at 
least you're more likely to get your own TV show comedy special

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart
Date: Sun, May 1, 2016 9:10 PM

Thats where i hit the "grey area" our other component is contract services, 
general IT, one component of which is security cameras, we arent cost 
effective, same with smb ptp, residential IT, all that. I technically dont have 
a no compete with my employer, i signed a restrictive one with my previous 
employer, it technically did not come with the transition when we split, and I 
made a point of not doing any contract work in my name with the previous 
partner for the duration of the no compete for that very reason. but, like the 
previous partner told me when i signed it, in Illinois, all a no compete really 
does is add however much hes willing to spend in court to the cost of my startup
Ive turned down alot of side work to avoid conflict, just because i need steady 
income..

(Im doing some bragging here) Heres a funny thing that recently happened, we 
had a contract with a healthcare customer that ended up dissolving into two 
separate entities, i handled the closeout, one entity didn't care, just started 
from scratch, the other migrated. i worked with them closing out, making sure 
systems moved, applicable data wasn't lost, licenses were replaced, ended up 
being a really clean and smooth transition for the customer (they literally 
closed out on a friday as one agency, opened on a monday as another, with no IT 
glitch). I met with the owner of the IT company that took IT over for a 
closeout lunch, it ended up being a 3 hour job interview, he wanted to hire me 
on the spot. It ended up I had to decline because of my personal commitments to 
my house ( I bought the one across from my parents, so i could help them age 
out until they die)

Another of our customers who has always been a pseudo support contract I could 
never get closed because every time I handed it off to our customer service, 
they would screw it up has always asked me to handle their IT off the cuff. I 
always had to decline because of my stupid loyalty to my company.

We recently lost that client to the same IT outfit that took over that split 
contract. The client called me one day to do some closeout, then all of a 
sudden told me he had a message from the other IT outfit telling me they would 
cover my relocation if id come over to them. Made me feel kind of tall.

This is where that grey area screws me, I have no issue ITing out for anyone, 
my only rule is I wont outsource to anyone my employer has touched in any way. 
I screw myself because I have a good reputation and the majority of what would 
be my target market has come to us, for me, but declined because of the final 
details by ownership. I figure my hyper loyalty is karma for what i did to 
fathers daughters in my younger years.

that was quite a rant, damn booze... I should probably go finish that walmart 
app

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
You should really look at doing security camera installs. I did some when I had 
less WISP work and the wiring/networking aspects are really similar. A number 
of businesses are OK with getting it done outside of standard work hours to not 
affect their operations.
You could do it by yourself or as a subcontractor to another outfit, but you'd 
need to do at least a bit of the latter to learn some fine details of the 
business. Some one or two man shops are pretty friendly and open to occasional 
work.
If you asked your WISP boss to let you put in the monthly bill "hey one of our 
guys is starting this part-time business" etc. I bet you'd get lots of 
inquiries already. 
As a bonus the camera service calls usually aren't as urgent as Internet or pc 
repair service calls. Companies are often ok with a camera being down a few 
days while never their internet or server.
On May 1, 2016 6:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:Ive been looking for a brain dead part time gig to keep me busy during 
what would normally be my designated drinking time, so i figured id go apply at 
walmart, stock some shelves or something overnight. holy cow, jail intake is 
less invasive. I ended up giving up, I just dont have the patience for that 
much effort for a minimum wage gig.
what happened to the days when applying for mope work took mope effort?
-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.










-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways

[Craig Schmaderer]

Gino i think emails take a few days to get off that beautiful island.

Craig schmaderer
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 3:56 PM -0700, "Chuck McCown" 
> wrote:

Yeah,  you have to get to the right local guy.  Very structured sales force.

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 4:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways


This is conference season for them, or they could be traveling. Once they 
contact your regional manager and then a sales manager, the sales manager will 
contact you.

Give it a few business days.

On May 1, 2016 4:55 PM, "Gino Villarini" 
> wrote:
Wrote to Calix on Thursday, no response yet... they are very eager to sell me 
some gear! :-)

On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Jason McKemie 
> 
wrote:
What do the gigapoints cost?

On Saturday, April 30, 2016, Craig Schmaderer 
> wrote:
I decided not to use 844G for a couple of reasons.
1.  I can buy a gigapoint and 844E a bit cheaper
2.  It alows us to install gigapoints anywhere usually in the basement with 
very short fiber runs then we can install the 844E anywhere else with an easy 
ethernet run.
3. If homeowner wants to use their own router they can and i dont have to run a 
844G in bridge mode.

Otherwise the 844G is a sweet product.

Craig schmaderer
Skywave Wireless, Inc.




On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 11:06 AM -0700, "ch...@wbmfg.com"  
wrote:

APC connector.

From: David Kunat
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways

On the wan side.

On Apr 30, 2016, at 8:33 AM, David Kunat  wrote:

Do they have one with a SFP port?

On Apr 30, 2016, at 7:29 AM,   wrote:

There is a version of it that has an optical GPON interface too.

From: Josh Baird
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 5:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways

So.. are most people using the GigaCenter 844E?

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
Ahh.. interesting .. thanks for that …

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: April 29, 2016 6:10 PM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways

All routers do have this default Admin that the home owners can use to do some 
settings.  The Support account is the one that we use that gives you all the 
settings, and voip settings, and remote management.






Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 4:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways

I think that is the portal.  The customer uses the QR code on the router.

From: Paul Stewart
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 2:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways

Is that via the home gateway itself or via a centralized system (like TR69 
portal) etc?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: April 29, 2016 1:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways

The customers do have the ability to set up curfews, usage rules, time of day 
usage, rules for particular devices etc.

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways

Sean, do they have access to the calix themselves?



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways

People don't really call that much once they have a calix.  UPnP opens most 
ports that users would need unless they are running their own servers (which we 
don't allow anyway) but if they have their own sever surely they are technical 
enough to figure out port forwarding etc.



On Thursday, April 28, 2016, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
That sounds interesting.

I kind of like the idea of a rented supported system.

But I don’t like the idea of people calling in every time their wireless 
doesn’t reach their attic, or to open up ports to their gaming thingy.

So my real question is this, at $7 a month, does it make enough money to hire 
someone full time to answer the phones on these and be the go-to guy for every 
single problem on their internal network?

If not, then I’m fine staying completely away from this (and hiring people to 
man the phone calls).


From: Af 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Thats where i hit the "grey area" our other component is contract services,
general IT, one component of which is security cameras, we arent cost
effective, same with smb ptp, residential IT, all that. I technically dont
have a no compete with my employer, i signed a restrictive one with my
previous employer, it technically did not come with the transition when we
split, and I made a point of not doing any contract work in my name with
the previous partner for the duration of the no compete for that very
reason. but, like the previous partner told me when i signed it, in
Illinois, all a no compete really does is add however much hes willing to
spend in court to the cost of my startup

Ive turned down alot of side work to avoid conflict, just because i need
steady income.

(Im doing some bragging here) Heres a funny thing that recently happened,
we had a contract with a healthcare customer that ended up dissolving into
two separate entities, i handled the closeout, one entity didn't care, just
started from scratch, the other migrated. i worked with them closing out,
making sure systems moved, applicable data wasn't lost, licenses were
replaced, ended up being a really clean and smooth transition for the
customer (they literally closed out on a friday as one agency, opened on a
monday as another, with no IT glitch). I met with the owner of the IT
company that took IT over for a closeout lunch, it ended up being a 3 hour
job interview, he wanted to hire me on the spot. It ended up I had to
decline because of my personal commitments to my house ( I bought the one
across from my parents, so i could help them age out until they die)

Another of our customers who has always been a pseudo support contract I
could never get closed because every time I handed it off to our customer
service, they would screw it up has always asked me to handle their IT off
the cuff. I always had to decline because of my stupid loyalty to my
company.

We recently lost that client to the same IT outfit that took over that
split contract. The client called me one day to do some closeout, then all
of a sudden told me he had a message from the other IT outfit telling me
they would cover my relocation if id come over to them. Made me feel kind
of tall.

This is where that grey area screws me, I have no issue ITing out for
anyone, my only rule is I wont outsource to anyone my employer has touched
in any way. I screw myself because I have a good reputation and the
majority of what would be my target market has come to us, for me, but
declined because of the final details by ownership. I figure my hyper
loyalty is karma for what i did to fathers daughters in my younger years.

that was quite a rant, damn booze... I should probably go finish that
walmart app

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

> You should really look at doing security camera installs. I did some when
> I had less WISP work and the wiring/networking aspects are really similar.
> A number of businesses are OK with getting it done outside of standard work
> hours to not affect their operations.
>
> You could do it by yourself or as a subcontractor to another outfit, but
> you'd need to do at least a bit of the latter to learn some fine details of
> the business. Some one or two man shops are pretty friendly and open to
> occasional work.
>
> If you asked your WISP boss to let you put in the monthly bill "hey one of
> our guys is starting this part-time business" etc. I bet you'd get lots of
> inquiries already.
>
> As a bonus the camera service calls usually aren't as urgent as Internet
> or pc repair service calls. Companies are often ok with a camera being down
> a few days while never their internet or server.
> On May 1, 2016 6:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
>
>> Ive been looking for a brain dead part time gig to keep me busy during
>> what would normally be my designated drinking time, so i figured id go
>> apply at walmart, stock some shelves or something overnight. holy cow, jail
>> intake is less invasive. I ended up giving up, I just dont have the
>> patience for that much effort for a minimum wage gig.
>> what happened to the days when applying for mope work took mope effort?
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart

[Colin Stanners]

You should really look at doing security camera installs. I did some when I
had less WISP work and the wiring/networking aspects are really similar. A
number of businesses are OK with getting it done outside of standard work
hours to not affect their operations.

You could do it by yourself or as a subcontractor to another outfit, but
you'd need to do at least a bit of the latter to learn some fine details of
the business. Some one or two man shops are pretty friendly and open to
occasional work.

If you asked your WISP boss to let you put in the monthly bill "hey one of
our guys is starting this part-time business" etc. I bet you'd get lots of
inquiries already.

As a bonus the camera service calls usually aren't as urgent as Internet or
pc repair service calls. Companies are often ok with a camera being down a
few days while never their internet or server.
On May 1, 2016 6:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> Ive been looking for a brain dead part time gig to keep me busy during
> what would normally be my designated drinking time, so i figured id go
> apply at walmart, stock some shelves or something overnight. holy cow, jail
> intake is less invasive. I ended up giving up, I just dont have the
> patience for that much effort for a minimum wage gig.
> what happened to the days when applying for mope work took mope effort?
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart

[Ty Featherling]

Drive for Uber? Or is that not used much around there?

-Ty
On May 1, 2016 8:19 PM, "par...@cyberbroadband.net" <
par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

> How about pizza delivery?
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart
> Date: Sun, May 1, 2016 7:42 PM
>
>
> With the nature of this wisp gig, I have to take on work with a bigger
> outfit that can absorb a short staff. I used to cook at a bar 15 or so
> years ago, so I was talking to this lady this weekend, but we came to an
> agreement id just come in and learn her menu, and be available since they
> cant have me calling in at the last minute cause some grain elevator got
> hit by lightning. A good example, I was out from 10 to 230 last sunday
> night replacing a croaked CTM with a set of syncinjectors, and since I was
> up there i cleaned up the spiderweb of cables. my wisp boss liked that, but
> if i had been scheduled to cook in a kitchen, they would have had to close
> their kitchen early without a cleanup, not really fair to that small
> business either. I dont show up at walmart, they just stock the next day.
> I watch those fuckers stock shelves though, they irritate the hell out of
> me, I watch them push product back to make room for new, and they dont face
> it. Probably best I got too irritated by the application because id end up
> smacking some 19 year old across the face with a brisket
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I walk at night mostly around downtown ...it clears head...even
>> though I create a myth about my Tecate consumption I don't drink every
>> day..  mostly weekends... I started as a stockboy at Rhodes back in 74...it
>> was kind of fun.  Nothing wrong with stacking it high watching them buy
>> On May 1, 2016 5:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ive been looking for a brain dead part time gig to keep me busy during
>>> what would normally be my designated drinking time, so i figured id go
>>> apply at walmart, stock some shelves or something overnight. holy cow, jail
>>> intake is less invasive. I ended up giving up, I just dont have the
>>> patience for that much effort for a minimum wage gig.
>>> what happened to the days when applying for mope work took mope effort?
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart

[par...@cyberbroadband.net]

How about pizza delivery?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart
Date: Sun, May 1, 2016 7:42 PM
With the nature of this wisp gig, I have to take on work with a bigger outfit 
that can absorb a short staff. I used to cook at a bar 15 or so years ago, so I 
was talking to this lady this weekend, but we came to an agreement id just come 
in and learn her menu, and be available since they cant have me calling in at 
the last minute cause some grain elevator got hit by lightning. A good example, 
I was out from 10 to 230 last sunday night replacing a croaked CTM with a set 
of syncinjectors, and since I was up there i cleaned up the spiderweb of 
cables. my wisp boss liked that, but if i had been scheduled to cook in a 
kitchen, they would have had to close their kitchen early without a cleanup, 
not really fair to that small business either. I dont show up at walmart, they 
just stock the next day. I watch those fuckers stock shelves though, they 
irritate the hell out of me, I watch them push product back to make room for 
new, and they dont face it. Probably best I got too irritated by the 
application because id end up smacking some 19 year old across the face with a 
brisket
On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
I walk at night mostly around downtown ...it clears head...even though I 
create a myth about my Tecate consumption I don't drink every day..  mostly 
weekends... I started as a stockboy at Rhodes back in 74...it was kind of fun.  
Nothing wrong with stacking it high watching them buy 
On May 1, 2016 5:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:Ive been looking for a brain dead part time gig to keep me busy during 
what would normally be my designated drinking time, so i figured id go apply at 
walmart, stock some shelves or something overnight. holy cow, jail intake is 
less invasive. I ended up giving up, I just dont have the patience for that 
much effort for a minimum wage gig.what happened to the days when applying for 
mope work took mope effort?-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

With the nature of this wisp gig, I have to take on work with a bigger
outfit that can absorb a short staff. I used to cook at a bar 15 or so
years ago, so I was talking to this lady this weekend, but we came to an
agreement id just come in and learn her menu, and be available since they
cant have me calling in at the last minute cause some grain elevator got
hit by lightning. A good example, I was out from 10 to 230 last sunday
night replacing a croaked CTM with a set of syncinjectors, and since I was
up there i cleaned up the spiderweb of cables. my wisp boss liked that, but
if i had been scheduled to cook in a kitchen, they would have had to close
their kitchen early without a cleanup, not really fair to that small
business either. I dont show up at walmart, they just stock the next day.
I watch those fuckers stock shelves though, they irritate the hell out of
me, I watch them push product back to make room for new, and they dont face
it. Probably best I got too irritated by the application because id end up
smacking some 19 year old across the face with a brisket

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I walk at night... mostly around downtown ...it clears head...even though
> I create a myth about my Tecate consumption I don't drink every day..
> mostly weekends... I started as a stockboy at Rhodes back in 74...it was
> kind of fun.  Nothing wrong with stacking it high watching them buy
> On May 1, 2016 5:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
>
>> Ive been looking for a brain dead part time gig to keep me busy during
>> what would normally be my designated drinking time, so i figured id go
>> apply at walmart, stock some shelves or something overnight. holy cow, jail
>> intake is less invasive. I ended up giving up, I just dont have the
>> patience for that much effort for a minimum wage gig.
>> what happened to the days when applying for mope work took mope effort?
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart

[Ken Hohhof]

Walmarts around here have been cutting back on staff lately.  Self checkout, no 
greeters.  I don’t mind self checkout at Home Depot, it’s a pain checking your 
own groceries.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 7:31 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart

I walk at night... mostly around downtown ...it clears head...even though I 
create a myth about my Tecate consumption I don't drink every day..  mostly 
weekends... I started as a stockboy at Rhodes back in 74...it was kind of fun.  
Nothing wrong with stacking it high watching them buy 

On May 1, 2016 5:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:

  Ive been looking for a brain dead part time gig to keep me busy during what 
would normally be my designated drinking time, so i figured id go apply at 
walmart, stock some shelves or something overnight. holy cow, jail intake is 
less invasive. I ended up giving up, I just dont have the patience for that 
much effort for a minimum wage gig.
  what happened to the days when applying for mope work took mope effort?
  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart

[Jaime Solorza]

I walk at night... mostly around downtown ...it clears head...even though I
create a myth about my Tecate consumption I don't drink every day..  mostly
weekends... I started as a stockboy at Rhodes back in 74...it was kind of
fun.  Nothing wrong with stacking it high watching them buy
On May 1, 2016 5:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> Ive been looking for a brain dead part time gig to keep me busy during
> what would normally be my designated drinking time, so i figured id go
> apply at walmart, stock some shelves or something overnight. holy cow, jail
> intake is less invasive. I ended up giving up, I just dont have the
> patience for that much effort for a minimum wage gig.
> what happened to the days when applying for mope work took mope effort?
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

...yeah, give me a tazer and mace :-) actually they all need full time and
full shifts around here, plus those guys tend to drink more at work than i
do at home


On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> How about being a security guard?
>
> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
>> I tend to put hammer down after the kids go to bed (look at the
>> timestamps on my "entertaining" posts). I was hoping they had like an 8-2
>> type need, my liver says thats a good gig
>>
>> On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds > > wrote:
>>
>> No kids?
>>
>> Between them and the wife, I'm lucky to get more than an hour to
>> myself a week. Love them and wouldn't trade them for anything, but
>> free time is quite the luxury :(
>>
>> On May 1, 2016 6:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Ive been looking for a brain dead part time gig to keep me
>> busy during what would normally be my designated drinking
>> time, so i figured id go apply at walmart, stock some shelves
>> or something overnight. holy cow, jail intake is less
>> invasive. I ended up giving up, I just dont have the patience
>> for that much effort for a minimum wage gig.
>> what happened to the days when applying for mope work took
>> mope effort?
>> -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you
>> don't see
>> your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part
>> of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart

[Jay Weekley]

How about being a security guard?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
I tend to put hammer down after the kids go to bed (look at the 
timestamps on my "entertaining" posts). I was hoping they had like an 
8-2 type need, my liver says thats a good gig


On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds > wrote:


No kids?

Between them and the wife, I'm lucky to get more than an hour to
myself a week. Love them and wouldn't trade them for anything, but
free time is quite the luxury :(

On May 1, 2016 6:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
> wrote:

Ive been looking for a brain dead part time gig to keep me
busy during what would normally be my designated drinking
time, so i figured id go apply at walmart, stock some shelves
or something overnight. holy cow, jail intake is less
invasive. I ended up giving up, I just dont have the patience
for that much effort for a minimum wage gig.
what happened to the days when applying for mope work took
mope effort?
-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part
of the team.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I tend to put hammer down after the kids go to bed (look at the timestamps
on my "entertaining" posts). I was hoping they had like an 8-2 type need,
my liver says thats a good gig

On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 6:47 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> No kids?
>
> Between them and the wife, I'm lucky to get more than an hour to myself a
> week. Love them and wouldn't trade them for anything, but free time is
> quite the luxury :(
> On May 1, 2016 6:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
>
>> Ive been looking for a brain dead part time gig to keep me busy during
>> what would normally be my designated drinking time, so i figured id go
>> apply at walmart, stock some shelves or something overnight. holy cow, jail
>> intake is less invasive. I ended up giving up, I just dont have the
>> patience for that much effort for a minimum wage gig.
>> what happened to the days when applying for mope work took mope effort?
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart

[Josh Reynolds]

No kids?

Between them and the wife, I'm lucky to get more than an hour to myself a
week. Love them and wouldn't trade them for anything, but free time is
quite the luxury :(
On May 1, 2016 6:23 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> Ive been looking for a brain dead part time gig to keep me busy during
> what would normally be my designated drinking time, so i figured id go
> apply at walmart, stock some shelves or something overnight. holy cow, jail
> intake is less invasive. I ended up giving up, I just dont have the
> patience for that much effort for a minimum wage gig.
> what happened to the days when applying for mope work took mope effort?
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

[AFMUG] OT: applying to walmart

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Ive been looking for a brain dead part time gig to keep me busy during what
would normally be my designated drinking time, so i figured id go apply at
walmart, stock some shelves or something overnight. holy cow, jail intake
is less invasive. I ended up giving up, I just dont have the patience for
that much effort for a minimum wage gig.
what happened to the days when applying for mope work took mope effort?
-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah,  you have to get to the right local guy.  Very structured sales force.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 4:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways

This is conference season for them, or they could be traveling. Once they 
contact your regional manager and then a sales manager, the sales manager will 
contact you.

Give it a few business days.

On May 1, 2016 4:55 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

  Wrote to Calix on Thursday, no response yet... they are very eager to sell me 
some gear! :-) 

  On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

What do the gigapoints cost?

On Saturday, April 30, 2016, Craig Schmaderer  
wrote:

  I decided not to use 844G for a couple of reasons.  
  1.  I can buy a gigapoint and 844E a bit cheaper
  2.  It alows us to install gigapoints anywhere usually in the basement 
with very short fiber runs then we can install the 844E anywhere else with an 
easy ethernet run. 
  3. If homeowner wants to use their own router they can and i dont have to 
run a 844G in bridge mode. 

  Otherwise the 844G is a sweet product. 


  Craig schmaderer
  Skywave Wireless, Inc.






  On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 11:06 AM -0700, "ch...@wbmfg.com" 
 wrote:


  APC connector.  

  From: David Kunat 
  Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 10:38 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways

  On the wan side.

  On Apr 30, 2016, at 8:33 AM, David Kunat  wrote:


Do they have one with a SFP port?

On Apr 30, 2016, at 7:29 AM,   wrote:


  There is a version of it that has an optical GPON interface too.  

  From: Josh Baird 
  Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 5:46 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways

  So.. are most people using the GigaCenter 844E?

  On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Paul Stewart  
wrote:

Ahh.. interesting .. thanks for that … 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: April 29, 2016 6:10 PM


To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways


All routers do have this default Admin that the home owners can use 
to do some settings.  The Support account is the one that we use that gives you 
all the settings, and voip settings, and remote management.  













Craig R. Schmaderer

CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.

Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058

Direct: 402-372-1052



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 4:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways



I think that is the portal.  The customer uses the QR code on the 
router.  



From: Paul Stewart 

Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 2:21 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways



Is that via the home gateway itself or via a centralized system 
(like TR69 portal) etc?



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: April 29, 2016 1:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways



The customers do have the ability to set up curfews, usage rules, 
time of day usage, rules for particular devices etc.  



From: Sterling Jacobson 

Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:20 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways



Sean, do they have access to the calix themselves?







From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways



People don't really call that much once they have a calix.  UPnP 
opens most ports that users would need unless they are running their own 
servers (which we don't allow anyway) but if they have their own sever surely 
they are technical enough to figure out port forwarding etc.





On Thursday, April 28, 2016, Sterling Jacobson 
 wrote:

  That sounds interesting.



  I kind of like the idea of a rented supported system.



  But I don’t like the idea of people calling in every time their 
wireless doesn’t reach their 

Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways

[Josh Reynolds]

This is conference season for them, or they could be traveling. Once they
contact your regional manager and then a sales manager, the sales manager
will contact you.

Give it a few business days.
On May 1, 2016 4:55 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

Wrote to Calix on Thursday, no response yet... they are very eager to sell
me some gear! :-)

On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> What do the gigapoints cost?
>
> On Saturday, April 30, 2016, Craig Schmaderer 
> wrote:
>
>> I decided not to use 844G for a couple of reasons.
>> 1.  I can buy a gigapoint and 844E a bit cheaper
>> 2.  It alows us to install gigapoints anywhere usually in the basement
>> with very short fiber runs then we can install the 844E anywhere else with
>> an easy ethernet run.
>> 3. If homeowner wants to use their own router they can and i dont have to
>> run a 844G in bridge mode.
>>
>> Otherwise the 844G is a sweet product.
>>
>> Craig schmaderer
>> Skywave Wireless, Inc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 11:06 AM -0700, "ch...@wbmfg.com" <
>> ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> APC connector.
>>
>> *From:* David Kunat
>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 30, 2016 10:38 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways
>>
>> On the wan side.
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2016, at 8:33 AM, David Kunat  wrote:
>>
>> Do they have one with a SFP port?
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2016, at 7:29 AM,   wrote:
>>
>> There is a version of it that has an optical GPON interface too.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Baird
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2016 5:46 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways
>>
>> So.. are most people using the GigaCenter 844E?
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Paul Stewart 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ahh.. interesting .. thanks for that …
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig Schmaderer
>>> *Sent:* April 29, 2016 6:10 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All routers do have this default Admin that the home owners can use to
>>> do some settings.  The Support account is the one that we use that gives
>>> you all the settings, and voip settings, and remote management.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Craig R. Schmaderer*
>>>
>>> *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.*
>>>
>>> *Ph: 402-372-1975 <402-372-1975> | Fax: 402-372-1058 <402-372-1058>*
>>>
>>> *Direct: 402-372-1052 <402-372-1052>*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2016 4:12 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think that is the portal.  The customer uses the QR code on the
>>> router.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Paul Stewart
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2016 2:21 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is that via the home gateway itself or via a centralized system (like
>>> TR69 portal) etc?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* April 29, 2016 1:37 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The customers do have the ability to set up curfews, usage rules, time
>>> of day usage, rules for particular devices etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2016 10:20 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sean, do they have access to the calix themselves?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2016 10:02 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> People don't really call that much once they have a calix.  UPnP opens
>>> most ports that users would need unless they are running their own servers
>>> (which we don't allow anyway) but if they have their own sever surely they
>>> are technical enough to figure out port forwarding etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 28, 2016, Sterling Jacobson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That sounds interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I kind of like the idea of a rented supported system.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But I don’t like the idea of people calling in every time their wireless
>>> doesn’t reach their attic, or to open up ports to their gaming thingy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So my real question is this, at $7 a month, does it make enough money to
>>> hire someone full time to answer the phones on these and be the go-to guy
>>> for every single problem on their internal network?

Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways

[Gino Villarini]

Wrote to Calix on Thursday, no response yet... they are very eager to sell
me some gear! :-)

On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 7:26 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> What do the gigapoints cost?
>
> On Saturday, April 30, 2016, Craig Schmaderer 
> wrote:
>
>> I decided not to use 844G for a couple of reasons.
>> 1.  I can buy a gigapoint and 844E a bit cheaper
>> 2.  It alows us to install gigapoints anywhere usually in the basement
>> with very short fiber runs then we can install the 844E anywhere else with
>> an easy ethernet run.
>> 3. If homeowner wants to use their own router they can and i dont have to
>> run a 844G in bridge mode.
>>
>> Otherwise the 844G is a sweet product.
>>
>> Craig schmaderer
>> Skywave Wireless, Inc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 11:06 AM -0700, "ch...@wbmfg.com" <
>> ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> APC connector.
>>
>> *From:* David Kunat
>> *Sent:* Saturday, April 30, 2016 10:38 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways
>>
>> On the wan side.
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2016, at 8:33 AM, David Kunat  wrote:
>>
>> Do they have one with a SFP port?
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2016, at 7:29 AM,   wrote:
>>
>> There is a version of it that has an optical GPON interface too.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Baird
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2016 5:46 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways
>>
>> So.. are most people using the GigaCenter 844E?
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Paul Stewart 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ahh.. interesting .. thanks for that …
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig Schmaderer
>>> *Sent:* April 29, 2016 6:10 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All routers do have this default Admin that the home owners can use to
>>> do some settings.  The Support account is the one that we use that gives
>>> you all the settings, and voip settings, and remote management.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Craig R. Schmaderer*
>>>
>>> *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.*
>>>
>>> *Ph: 402-372-1975 <402-372-1975> | Fax: 402-372-1058 <402-372-1058>*
>>>
>>> *Direct: 402-372-1052 <402-372-1052>*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2016 4:12 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think that is the portal.  The customer uses the QR code on the
>>> router.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Paul Stewart
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2016 2:21 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is that via the home gateway itself or via a centralized system (like
>>> TR69 portal) etc?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* April 29, 2016 1:37 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The customers do have the ability to set up curfews, usage rules, time
>>> of day usage, rules for particular devices etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2016 10:20 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sean, do they have access to the calix themselves?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 29, 2016 10:02 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix or others 802.11ac Home Gateways
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> People don't really call that much once they have a calix.  UPnP opens
>>> most ports that users would need unless they are running their own servers
>>> (which we don't allow anyway) but if they have their own sever surely they
>>> are technical enough to figure out port forwarding etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 28, 2016, Sterling Jacobson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That sounds interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I kind of like the idea of a rented supported system.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But I don’t like the idea of people calling in every time their wireless
>>> doesn’t reach their attic, or to open up ports to their gaming thingy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So my real question is this, at $7 a month, does it make enough money to
>>> hire someone full time to answer the phones on these and be the go-to guy
>>> for every single problem on their internal network?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If not, then I’m fine staying completely away from this (and hiring
>>> people to man the phone calls).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');]
>>> *On Behalf Of *Craig Schmaderer
>>> *Sent:* 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberrry pi tease

[Chuck McCown]

But there are others in stock.  This looks promising.  Thanks, did not know 
about these guys.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 2:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberrry pi tease

ODROID-C1+ looks good  but they are out of stock too...

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 12:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberrry pi tease

Check out ODROID... You can put either Android or Linux on them

On May 1, 2016 1:08 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  So, I thought I would use the Raspberry PI zero as the MCU for a new project. 
 Sounds ideal  until you try to get one of the freaking things then it 
becomes very obvious that basing any product on this device would be fatal when 
it comes time to actually acquire any quantity of the devices

  Arrgh...  Now I am back to the eternal AVR vs PIC war.  
  I don’t  want to find all my AVR tools and figure out which ones still work.  

  I want linux

Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberrry pi tease

[Chuck McCown]

ODROID-C1+ looks good  but they are out of stock too...

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 12:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberrry pi tease

Check out ODROID... You can put either Android or Linux on them

On May 1, 2016 1:08 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  So, I thought I would use the Raspberry PI zero as the MCU for a new project. 
 Sounds ideal  until you try to get one of the freaking things then it 
becomes very obvious that basing any product on this device would be fatal when 
it comes time to actually acquire any quantity of the devices

  Arrgh...  Now I am back to the eternal AVR vs PIC war.  
  I don’t  want to find all my AVR tools and figure out which ones still work.  

  I want linux

Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberrry pi tease

[Chuck McCown]

Yes but it does not have an ethernet port and it is expensive compared to 
the zero.
And you have to buy the socket etc etc.  Except for the physical size the PI 
3  would be better than the compute module in my mind.


The zero would be so danged ideal.  Just plug in a USB to Ethernet adapter 
for $3 and you are ready to go.  The physical size is  a big deal for my 
project, the zero is the perfect size too.


-Original Message- 
From: Trey Scarborough

Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 1:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberrry pi tease

If you are going to use it in a produce the compute module would
probably be a better choice. It's basically the same interface as an old
memory stick. You can get them reliably and easier to assemble if you
are using them in quantity.

On 5/1/2016 1:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, I thought I would use the Raspberry PI zero as the MCU for a new
project.  Sounds ideal  until you try to get one of the freaking
things then it becomes very obvious that basing any product on this
device would be fatal when it comes time to actually acquire any
quantity of the devices
Arrgh...  Now I am back to the eternal AVR vs PIC war.
I don’t  want to find all my AVR tools and figure out which ones still
work.
I want linux

Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberrry pi tease

[Chuck McCown]

I did notice the Atmel website had the Microchip logo.   I thought that a bit 
odd.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 12:19 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberrry pi tease


In case you missed it, microchip bought atmel a few months back,  so either way 
you'd going to be using a microchip product.

I haven't heard any details on what the long term prognosis of the avr parts 
are.   If it's like previous acquisitions, they'll figure out what they can 
build in their own fabs and then weed out any low volume products which they 
have to get manufactured by a third party.   Not sure about long term R 
though

On May 1, 2016 12:08 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  So, I thought I would use the Raspberry PI zero as the MCU for a new project. 
 Sounds ideal  until you try to get one of the freaking things then it 
becomes very obvious that basing any product on this device would be fatal when 
it comes time to actually acquire any quantity of the devices

  Arrgh...  Now I am back to the eternal AVR vs PIC war.  
  I don’t  want to find all my AVR tools and figure out which ones still work.  

  I want linux

Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberrry pi tease

[Trey Scarborough]

If you are going to use it in a produce the compute module would 
probably be a better choice. It's basically the same interface as an old 
memory stick. You can get them reliably and easier to assemble if you 
are using them in quantity.


On 5/1/2016 1:08 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

So, I thought I would use the Raspberry PI zero as the MCU for a new
project.  Sounds ideal  until you try to get one of the freaking
things then it becomes very obvious that basing any product on this
device would be fatal when it comes time to actually acquire any
quantity of the devices
Arrgh...  Now I am back to the eternal AVR vs PIC war.
I don’t  want to find all my AVR tools and figure out which ones still
work.
I want linux

[AFMUG] 900 fsk help please

[Jerry Head]

The Friday night lights did a number on my network this weekend. Does 
anyone have any old fsk 900 APs they would like to sell to a poor WISP 
operator?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberrry pi tease

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

In case you missed it, microchip bought atmel a few months back,  so either
way you'd going to be using a microchip product.

I haven't heard any details on what the long term prognosis of the avr
parts are.   If it's like previous acquisitions, they'll figure out what
they can build in their own fabs and then weed out any low volume products
which they have to get manufactured by a third party.   Not sure about long
term R though
On May 1, 2016 12:08 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> So, I thought I would use the Raspberry PI zero as the MCU for a new
> project.  Sounds ideal  until you try to get one of the freaking
> things then it becomes very obvious that basing any product on this
> device would be fatal when it comes time to actually acquire any quantity
> of the devices
>
> Arrgh...  Now I am back to the eternal AVR vs PIC war.
> I don’t  want to find all my AVR tools and figure out which ones still
> work.
>
> I want linux
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Raspberrry pi tease

[Josh Reynolds]

Check out ODROID... You can put either Android or Linux on them
On May 1, 2016 1:08 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> So, I thought I would use the Raspberry PI zero as the MCU for a new
> project.  Sounds ideal  until you try to get one of the freaking
> things then it becomes very obvious that basing any product on this
> device would be fatal when it comes time to actually acquire any quantity
> of the devices
>
> Arrgh...  Now I am back to the eternal AVR vs PIC war.
> I don’t  want to find all my AVR tools and figure out which ones still
> work.
>
> I want linux
>

[AFMUG] OT Raspberrry pi tease

[Chuck McCown]

So, I thought I would use the Raspberry PI zero as the MCU for a new project.  
Sounds ideal  until you try to get one of the freaking things then it 
becomes very obvious that basing any product on this device would be fatal when 
it comes time to actually acquire any quantity of the devices

Arrgh...  Now I am back to the eternal AVR vs PIC war.  
I don’t  want to find all my AVR tools and figure out which ones still work.  

I want linux