[AFMUG] OT: Bought a new printer cable

[Eric Kuhnke]

My HP LaserJet is now hovering 4" above the tablet and emitting bolts of
blue lightning.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audioquest-16-4-usb-a-to-usb-b-cable-black-gray/4022646.p?id=1218449994838=4022646

Re: [AFMUG] Cord is cut

[Josh Luthman]

Tivo has a monthly subscription for the channels.  Channel Master does not.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 12:39 AM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> ESPN?
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>>
>> Monthly subscription?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2016 12:17 AM, "Chuck McCown"  ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Got my Tivo Roamio going.  I get 51 OTA channels. Lots of
>> features, still learning my way around.
>> Youtube and Hulu seem to be better quality images than on the
>> playstation.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cord is cut

[Josh Reynolds]

Eww. To each their own I guess
On Jun 3, 2016 11:39 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> ESPN?
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>>
>> Monthly subscription?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2016 12:17 AM, "Chuck McCown"  ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Got my Tivo Roamio going.  I get 51 OTA channels. Lots of
>> features, still learning my way around.
>> Youtube and Hulu seem to be better quality images than on the
>> playstation.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

[Josh Reynolds]

I'm quite confused. Can you explain exactly what you want to do, and in
your opinion, where the problem lies?
On Jun 3, 2016 11:42 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK
> wireless AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4
> GigE ports, but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.
>
>
>
> Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport
> the wireless to two GigE connections?
>
>
>
> I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of
> actual transport?
>
>
>
> If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump to
> paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on SFP+.
>
>
>
> In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of
> NAT/connection tracking on the CCR.
>
>
>
> I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.
>
>
>
> I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser
> going to speedtest.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router
>
>
>
> I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant 10G
> customers of ours.
>
> A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.
>
> On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless
> router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

[Sterling Jacobson]

I just find it frustrating that the top of the line ASUS/Netgear/DLINK wireless 
AC routers can actually do close to 1000Mbps wireless and have 4 GigE ports, 
but are limited to 1 GigE internet port.

Is there a UBNT or other wireless AC super system that can dual transport the 
wireless to two GigE connections?

I’m not even sure that exists yet, or anything wireless over 1Gbps of actual 
transport?

If there were an AP that could handle that on triple stream AC and dump to 
paired GigE then I guess I could try a Mikrotik CCR as NAT router on SFP+.

In fact, I don’t even think I’ve tried testing the limits of NAT/connection 
tracking on the CCR.

I should probably test that out and see how fast it will go.

I know it will bridge 9+Gbps on a desktop with a SFP+ card on a browser going 
to speedtest.net





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 10:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router


I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant 10G 
customers of ours.

A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.
On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
> wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless router 
with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?

Re: [AFMUG] Cord is cut

[Jay Weekley]

ESPN?

Josh Luthman wrote:


Monthly subscription?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jun 4, 2016 12:17 AM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:


Got my Tivo Roamio going.  I get 51 OTA channels. Lots of
features, still learning my way around.
Youtube and Hulu seem to be better quality images than on the
playstation.

Re: [AFMUG] Cord is cut

[Josh Luthman]

Monthly subscription?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jun 4, 2016 12:17 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Got my Tivo Roamio going.  I get 51 OTA channels.  Lots of features, still
> learning my way around.
> Youtube and Hulu seem to be better quality images than on the
> playstation.
>

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

[Josh Reynolds]

I've got some Telco systems 4x10 on order, but these are for redundant 10G
customers of ours.

A consumer router with 10G? Not quite.
On Jun 3, 2016 10:54 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless
> router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?
>

[AFMUG] Cord is cut

[Chuck McCown]

Got my Tivo Roamio going.  I get 51 OTA channels.  Lots of features, still 
learning my way around.
Youtube and Hulu seem to be better quality images than on the playstation.  

Re: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

[Chuck McCown]

No but there is an APC GPON unit.

-Original Message- 
From: Sterling Jacobson

Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 9:54 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless 
router with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right? 

[AFMUG] SFP+ Consumer Wireless Router

[Sterling Jacobson]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't any high end consumer wireless router 
with an SFP+ WAN/Internet port out there yet, right?

Re: [AFMUG] SwOS FYI

[Sterling Jacobson]

Oh, sorry, thought you were talking about the old UBNT part that was 100Mbps 
only.
I guess they never made that one public, or it died a short death. I still have 
a couple…

Also I was wrong on the FTC device I guess, it does GigE too.

I still wish Mikrotik/Routerboard would make the FTC larger with a splice case 
and conduit opening to secure the conduit feeding the drop fiber.
Also it would be nice with two Ethernet ports and management, at least SWOS, 
better ROS.

I also wish they would make an 8 - 16 port model of the same with SFP+ port.




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 6:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SwOS FYI


Huh?

Er x SFP is gig. Fiber-POE is gig.
On Jun 3, 2016 5:36 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
> wrote:
Not for 1000Mbps.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SwOS FYI

If you just need a media converter, either a Ubiquiti Fiber-POE (minus the POE 
part), or MikroTik media converter would probably be fine. In addition to the 
260GS, the EdgeRouter X SFP can also have all ports put in switch mode, and 
seems to work fine with generics and juniper coded SFP modules.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
> Have you seen any other SFP issues with the RB260GS? I remember
> Sterling said that very rarely there were some units that, after
> fluctuations in the power source, didn't detect the SFP unless they
> were rebooted or the SFP was reinserted.
>
> I'm trying to get an idea of their reliability for use as media converters.
>
> On Jun 3, 2016 4:31 PM, "Jason McKemie"
> >
> wrote:
>
> I received a new batch of RB260GS units and after a lot of
> troubleshooting at an install that showed the local SFP interface as
> being up, but the remote as down I noticed that they were loaded with
> the 1.15 firmware. After downgrading to 1.13 the link came right up.
> The change log shows SwOS 1.16 having a fix for the SFP port getting
> disabled in certain situations, but mine showed as up, so I'm not sure
> that is the problem I'm seeing. I didn't have 1.16 on my laptop to test.

Re: [AFMUG] SwOS FYI

[Josh Reynolds]

Huh?

Er x SFP is gig. Fiber-POE is gig.
On Jun 3, 2016 5:36 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> Not for 1000Mbps.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:33 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SwOS FYI
>
> If you just need a media converter, either a Ubiquiti Fiber-POE (minus the
> POE part), or MikroTik media converter would probably be fine. In addition
> to the 260GS, the EdgeRouter X SFP can also have all ports put in switch
> mode, and seems to work fine with generics and juniper coded SFP modules.
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
> > Have you seen any other SFP issues with the RB260GS? I remember
> > Sterling said that very rarely there were some units that, after
> > fluctuations in the power source, didn't detect the SFP unless they
> > were rebooted or the SFP was reinserted.
> >
> > I'm trying to get an idea of their reliability for use as media
> converters.
> >
> > On Jun 3, 2016 4:31 PM, "Jason McKemie"
> > 
> > wrote:
> >
> > I received a new batch of RB260GS units and after a lot of
> > troubleshooting at an install that showed the local SFP interface as
> > being up, but the remote as down I noticed that they were loaded with
> > the 1.15 firmware. After downgrading to 1.13 the link came right up.
> > The change log shows SwOS 1.16 having a fix for the SFP port getting
> > disabled in certain situations, but mine showed as up, so I'm not sure
> > that is the problem I'm seeing. I didn't have 1.16 on my laptop to test.
>

Re: [AFMUG] SwOS FYI

[Jason McKemie]

I'll try 1.16 and see if that works. The only change from 1.13 to 1.14 was
for the GSP model, at least according to the change log.

On Friday, June 3, 2016, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

> I have hundreds.
>
>
>
> They work great, very low failure rate, and most of that is with the SFP
> modules even.
>
>
>
> I have noticed that sometimes we have to power cycle the RB260 once or
> twice on rare occasions to get them to respond.
>
> In other words, the light will come on SFP, but stay solid. Sometimes a
> reseating works.
>
>
>
> One in maybe 50 will do this on a power outage or brownout as well, just
> needs a power cycle again.
>
>
>
> All of mine are on SWOS 1.14
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Colin
> Stanners
> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 4:17 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SwOS FYI
>
>
>
> Have you seen any other SFP issues with the RB260GS? I remember Sterling
> said that very rarely there were some units that, after fluctuations in the
> power source, didn't detect the SFP unless they were rebooted or the SFP
> was reinserted.
>
> I'm trying to get an idea of their reliability for use as media converters.
>
> On Jun 3, 2016 4:31 PM, "Jason McKemie"  > wrote:
>
> I received a new batch of RB260GS units and after a lot of troubleshooting
> at an install that showed the local SFP interface as being up, but the
> remote as down I noticed that they were loaded with the 1.15 firmware.
> After downgrading to 1.13 the link came right up. The change log shows SwOS
> 1.16 having a fix for the SFP port getting disabled in certain situations,
> but mine showed as up, so I'm not sure that is the problem I'm seeing. I
> didn't have 1.16 on my laptop to test.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SwOS FYI

[Jason McKemie]

The only trouble I've had otherwise with SFPs was trying to use Occam
compatible optics in the rb260gs. Those had to be inserted or reinserted
when the unit was on or they wouldn't function. Luckily I only had a few of
those.

On Friday, June 3, 2016, Colin Stanners  wrote:

> Have you seen any other SFP issues with the RB260GS? I remember Sterling
> said that very rarely there were some units that, after fluctuations in the
> power source, didn't detect the SFP unless they were rebooted or the SFP
> was reinserted.
>
> I'm trying to get an idea of their reliability for use as media converters.
> On Jun 3, 2016 4:31 PM, "Jason McKemie"  > wrote:
>
> I received a new batch of RB260GS units and after a lot of troubleshooting
> at an install that showed the local SFP interface as being up, but the
> remote as down I noticed that they were loaded with the 1.15 firmware.
> After downgrading to 1.13 the link came right up. The change log shows SwOS
> 1.16 having a fix for the SFP port getting disabled in certain situations,
> but mine showed as up, so I'm not sure that is the problem I'm seeing. I
> didn't have 1.16 on my laptop to test.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Generator runtime on very light loads

[Chris Fabien]

The eu2000 oil change interval is 100 hours. I plan to run a good synthetic
and change at twice that, it would be interesting to send some oil out for
analysis  to verify. It does have a low oil shutoff to prevent it running
out.
On Jun 3, 2016 3:51 PM, "Brian Webster"  wrote:

> Keep in mind that some of the cheap portable generators recommend an oil
> change after every 8 hours of run time. That would mean three oil changes a
> day on top of your fuel costs. Might still be cheaper to run the Generac.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Friday, June 03, 2016 10:07 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Generator runtime on very light loads
>
>
>
> In retrospect, these are stupid questions.
>
>
>
> I wanted the Generac anyway to use for a standby generator at one site,
> but at a different site I have a temporary need to run on generator for
> about a month while I wait for the power company to hook up our new
> service...there's only about a 200 Watt load.  Given the fuel cost of
> running the Generac continuously for a month, it will be cheaper to buy a
> separate portable generator.
>
>
>
> nevermind.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
> Sent: 6/3/2016 9:20:07 AM
>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Generator runtime on very light loads
>
>
>
> Generac tech support could not answer this question for me:
>
>
>
> What will my fuel consumption be a 1% load.  I am looking at a 16kw
> Generac Guardian.  Which has a 992cc engine and the spec sheet says will be
> consuming 1.99gal/hour of propane at 50% load.  I'll be at 1% load and want
> to know how much fuel I would consume per hour.
>
>
>
> Or maybe a different question:  What's the minimum amount of fuel it takes
> to keep a 992cc engine running at 3600RPM?
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SwOS FYI

[Sterling Jacobson]

Not for 1000Mbps.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 4:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SwOS FYI

If you just need a media converter, either a Ubiquiti Fiber-POE (minus the POE 
part), or MikroTik media converter would probably be fine. In addition to the 
260GS, the EdgeRouter X SFP can also have all ports put in switch mode, and 
seems to work fine with generics and juniper coded SFP modules.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
> Have you seen any other SFP issues with the RB260GS? I remember 
> Sterling said that very rarely there were some units that, after 
> fluctuations in the power source, didn't detect the SFP unless they 
> were rebooted or the SFP was reinserted.
>
> I'm trying to get an idea of their reliability for use as media converters.
>
> On Jun 3, 2016 4:31 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> 
> wrote:
>
> I received a new batch of RB260GS units and after a lot of 
> troubleshooting at an install that showed the local SFP interface as 
> being up, but the remote as down I noticed that they were loaded with 
> the 1.15 firmware. After downgrading to 1.13 the link came right up. 
> The change log shows SwOS 1.16 having a fix for the SFP port getting 
> disabled in certain situations, but mine showed as up, so I'm not sure 
> that is the problem I'm seeing. I didn't have 1.16 on my laptop to test.

Re: [AFMUG] SwOS FYI

[Josh Reynolds]

If you just need a media converter, either a Ubiquiti Fiber-POE (minus
the POE part), or MikroTik media converter would probably be fine. In
addition to the 260GS, the EdgeRouter X SFP can also have all ports
put in switch mode, and seems to work fine with generics and juniper
coded SFP modules.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
> Have you seen any other SFP issues with the RB260GS? I remember Sterling
> said that very rarely there were some units that, after fluctuations in the
> power source, didn't detect the SFP unless they were rebooted or the SFP was
> reinserted.
>
> I'm trying to get an idea of their reliability for use as media converters.
>
> On Jun 3, 2016 4:31 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
> I received a new batch of RB260GS units and after a lot of troubleshooting
> at an install that showed the local SFP interface as being up, but the
> remote as down I noticed that they were loaded with the 1.15 firmware. After
> downgrading to 1.13 the link came right up. The change log shows SwOS 1.16
> having a fix for the SFP port getting disabled in certain situations, but
> mine showed as up, so I'm not sure that is the problem I'm seeing. I didn't
> have 1.16 on my laptop to test.

Re: [AFMUG] SwOS FYI

[Colin Stanners]

Have you seen any other SFP issues with the RB260GS? I remember Sterling
said that very rarely there were some units that, after fluctuations in the
power source, didn't detect the SFP unless they were rebooted or the SFP
was reinserted.

I'm trying to get an idea of their reliability for use as media converters.
On Jun 3, 2016 4:31 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

I received a new batch of RB260GS units and after a lot of troubleshooting
at an install that showed the local SFP interface as being up, but the
remote as down I noticed that they were loaded with the 1.15 firmware.
After downgrading to 1.13 the link came right up. The change log shows SwOS
1.16 having a fix for the SFP port getting disabled in certain situations,
but mine showed as up, so I'm not sure that is the problem I'm seeing. I
didn't have 1.16 on my laptop to test.

Re: [AFMUG] 802.3at Switch for PMP450i

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

A cambium rackmount cmm4 takes up more space than two syncinjectors on a
shelf, and is only 10/100
On Jun 3, 2016 2:01 PM, "Matt"  wrote:

> > Mikrotik rb2011 + Packetflux gig SyncInjector
>
> What I am currently using.  Takes up to much space for this site.
>
> Just remembered, standard switch won't output sync, brain took Friday
> off.  Does the "Cambium 1091HH" support 48 and 24 volt gear?  Cannot
> find it on Cambium website.  Awful expensive too.
>
> Will be nice when Forest gets his new gadgets out.
>
>
> >> What is everyone using as an affordable 802.3at managed switch to
> >> power up PMP450i and PTP450i units?  Would be so nice if Mikrotik had
> >> one.
>

[AFMUG] SwOS FYI

[Jason McKemie]

I received a new batch of RB260GS units and after a lot of troubleshooting
at an install that showed the local SFP interface as being up, but the
remote as down I noticed that they were loaded with the 1.15 firmware.
After downgrading to 1.13 the link came right up. The change log shows SwOS
1.16 having a fix for the SFP port getting disabled in certain situations,
but mine showed as up, so I'm not sure that is the problem I'm seeing. I
didn't have 1.16 on my laptop to test.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bitcoin in the $570's time to unload?

[Sean Heskett]

you gotta know when to hole em, know when to fold em...know when to walk
away, and know when to run ;-)

your guess is as good as mine.  I haven't read much on what is causing the
recent price surge but it's probably temporary and not sustainable.

2 cents

-sean


On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Still holding Bitcoin... should i unload or ride the current upswing wave
> a bit more? my coin avg cost was $420
>

Re: [AFMUG] 802.3at Switch for PMP450i

[Josh Luthman]

1090CKHH = gig ports?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Matt Mangriotis <
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:

> For clarification:
>
>
>
> 1090CKHH is CMM4 in the outdoor cabinet with included EtherWAN switch
>
> 1091HH is the same CMM4 in the outdoor cabinet, but without the switch
>
> 1092HH is the rackmount version (i.e. no cabinet) of the CMM4, also
> without the switch
>
>
>
> All of them can support both 56 and 30 VDC power to different Cambium
> radios.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, June 03, 2016 3:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 802.3at Switch for PMP450i
>
>
>
> Sure looks like it, but the 1091HH does not have a switch
>
>
>
> https://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/CMM4_Specs.pdf
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Matt  wrote:
>
> > Mikrotik rb2011 + Packetflux gig SyncInjector
>
> What I am currently using.  Takes up to much space for this site.
>
> Just remembered, standard switch won't output sync, brain took Friday
> off.  Does the "Cambium 1091HH" support 48 and 24 volt gear?  Cannot
> find it on Cambium website.  Awful expensive too.
>
> Will be nice when Forest gets his new gadgets out.
>
>
>
> >> What is everyone using as an affordable 802.3at managed switch to
> >> power up PMP450i and PTP450i units?  Would be so nice if Mikrotik had
> >> one.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 802.3at Switch for PMP450i

[Matt Mangriotis]

For clarification:

1090CKHH is CMM4 in the outdoor cabinet with included EtherWAN switch
1091HH is the same CMM4 in the outdoor cabinet, but without the switch
1092HH is the rackmount version (i.e. no cabinet) of the CMM4, also without the 
switch

All of them can support both 56 and 30 VDC power to different Cambium radios.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 3:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 802.3at Switch for PMP450i

Sure looks like it, but the 1091HH does not have a switch

https://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/CMM4_Specs.pdf


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Matt 
> wrote:
> Mikrotik rb2011 + Packetflux gig SyncInjector

What I am currently using.  Takes up to much space for this site.

Just remembered, standard switch won't output sync, brain took Friday
off.  Does the "Cambium 1091HH" support 48 and 24 volt gear?  Cannot
find it on Cambium website.  Awful expensive too.

Will be nice when Forest gets his new gadgets out.


>> What is everyone using as an affordable 802.3at managed switch to
>> power up PMP450i and PTP450i units?  Would be so nice if Mikrotik had
>> one.

Re: [AFMUG] 802.3at Switch for PMP450i

[Josh Luthman]

Sure looks like it, but the 1091HH does not have a switch

https://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/CMM4_Specs.pdf


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Matt  wrote:

> > Mikrotik rb2011 + Packetflux gig SyncInjector
>
> What I am currently using.  Takes up to much space for this site.
>
> Just remembered, standard switch won't output sync, brain took Friday
> off.  Does the "Cambium 1091HH" support 48 and 24 volt gear?  Cannot
> find it on Cambium website.  Awful expensive too.
>
> Will be nice when Forest gets his new gadgets out.
>
>
> >> What is everyone using as an affordable 802.3at managed switch to
> >> power up PMP450i and PTP450i units?  Would be so nice if Mikrotik had
> >> one.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 802.3at Switch for PMP450i

[Matt]

> Mikrotik rb2011 + Packetflux gig SyncInjector

What I am currently using.  Takes up to much space for this site.

Just remembered, standard switch won't output sync, brain took Friday
off.  Does the "Cambium 1091HH" support 48 and 24 volt gear?  Cannot
find it on Cambium website.  Awful expensive too.

Will be nice when Forest gets his new gadgets out.


>> What is everyone using as an affordable 802.3at managed switch to
>> power up PMP450i and PTP450i units?  Would be so nice if Mikrotik had
>> one.

Re: [AFMUG] 802.3at Switch for PMP450i

[Josh Luthman]

Just making sure it was pointed out =)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> He said "power it" :P
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > No Sync
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Netonix?
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Matt 
> wrote:
> >> > What is everyone using as an affordable 802.3at managed switch to
> >> > power up PMP450i and PTP450i units?  Would be so nice if Mikrotik had
> >> > one.
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Generator runtime on very light loads

[Brian Webster]

Keep in mind that some of the cheap portable generators recommend an oil change 
after every 8 hours of run time. That would mean three oil changes a day on top 
of your fuel costs. Might still be cheaper to run the Generac.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator runtime on very light loads

 

In retrospect, these are stupid questions.

 

I wanted the Generac anyway to use for a standby generator at one site, but at 
a different site I have a temporary need to run on generator for about a month 
while I wait for the power company to hook up our new service...there's only 
about a 200 Watt load.  Given the fuel cost of running the Generac continuously 
for a month, it will be cheaper to buy a separate portable generator.

 

nevermind.

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Adam Moffett" 

To: "af@afmug.com" 

Sent: 6/3/2016 9:20:07 AM

Subject: [AFMUG] Generator runtime on very light loads

 

Generac tech support could not answer this question for me:

 

What will my fuel consumption be a 1% load.  I am looking at a 16kw Generac 
Guardian.  Which has a 992cc engine and the spec sheet says will be consuming 
1.99gal/hour of propane at 50% load.  I'll be at 1% load and want to know how 
much fuel I would consume per hour.

 

Or maybe a different question:  What's the minimum amount of fuel it takes to 
keep a 992cc engine running at 3600RPM? 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] 802.3at Switch for PMP450i

[Josh Reynolds]

He said "power it" :P

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> No Sync
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> Netonix?
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Matt  wrote:
>> > What is everyone using as an affordable 802.3at managed switch to
>> > power up PMP450i and PTP450i units?  Would be so nice if Mikrotik had
>> > one.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 802.3at Switch for PMP450i

[Josh Luthman]

No Sync


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Netonix?
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Matt  wrote:
> > What is everyone using as an affordable 802.3at managed switch to
> > power up PMP450i and PTP450i units?  Would be so nice if Mikrotik had
> > one.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 802.3at Switch for PMP450i

[Josh Reynolds]

Netonix?

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Matt  wrote:
> What is everyone using as an affordable 802.3at managed switch to
> power up PMP450i and PTP450i units?  Would be so nice if Mikrotik had
> one.

Re: [AFMUG] 802.3at Switch for PMP450i

[Josh Luthman]

Mikrotik rb2011 + Packetflux gig SyncInjector


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:35 PM, Matt  wrote:

> What is everyone using as an affordable 802.3at managed switch to
> power up PMP450i and PTP450i units?  Would be so nice if Mikrotik had
> one.
>

[AFMUG] 802.3at Switch for PMP450i

[Matt]

What is everyone using as an affordable 802.3at managed switch to
power up PMP450i and PTP450i units?  Would be so nice if Mikrotik had
one.

[AFMUG] OT: Bitcoin in the $570's time to unload?

[Gino Villarini]

Still holding Bitcoin... should i unload or ride the current upswing wave a
bit more? my coin avg cost was $420

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Daniel White]

I’m way late to the conversation, but one note on 2.4GHz penetration seems to 
be that it’s not apples to apples on the base station antenna.  Many use the 
regular sector from Cambium while the UBNT sector has RF Armor or something 
else on it.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 4:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP



Your welcome, I guess? =)



I'd rather be proving you wrong so we can gut Ubnt 2.4 and put up ePMP 2.4.






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:47 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  > wrote:



Thank you for proving my point ;)

- Original Message -

From: Josh Luthman 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP



No...it's not.  The EPMP 2.4 radios just suck at penetration.  I've done Ubnt 
KPP and IT Elite - they all performed terribly.






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  > wrote:



hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with ubnt we're using kp performance.  
With epmp, i think it is bundled antennas...



- Original Message -

From: Ken Hohhof 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP



Jay, I suspect the difference you are seeing may be mainly in the antennas.  
2.4 GHz from any vendor should penetrate the same, the radio waves don’t care 
what brand radio launched them.  And I think the difference between the 
platforms will be most evident in low interference environment where they can 
achieve their full modulation and throughput.  With low SNR, I think it’s kind 
of like arguing Ferrari vs Porsche for off road racing, neither will be able to 
show off its capabilities.  Receiver sensitivity and bits/sec/Hz won’t matter.





From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP





Also interested in interference rejection of the pmp450  - is there any (in 2.4)

we are getting better foliage penetration with ubnt 2.4 than epmp 2.4 - - and 
from the performance of

the epmp 2.4 i wish wish wish it penetrated better!



- Original Message -

From: Matt 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:25 PM

Subject: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP



We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some Ubiquiti we tried and
some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have tested but so far
have not deployed more then couple test links.

For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are the differences
you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance among others?

For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was the reasoning?







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Re: [AFMUG] Electronics question

[Bill Prince]

Of course you could always use the relay to run a relay. Use 24vdc in 
the SiteMonitor (or whatever voltage you have) to activate/deactivate 
the relay inline with the sensor.


bp


On 6/3/2016 11:15 AM, George Skorup wrote:
If you're talking about a Generac single phase setup, just put in an 
external DPDT relay to cut the two utility monitor legs (normally the 
two yellow wires in a transfer kit). Most of the Generac controllers 
wait for 192 volts or less, so I suppose you could cut only one leg 
and achieve the same thing. There should be very little if any current 
on those two wires since they're just used for voltage and frequency 
sensing.


I know that our 22kw QS has the 2-wire remote start option, which I 
didn't really bother looking into since we're using the normal switch 
setup.


But me personally, I will be keeping AC away from the SiteMonitor 
because some dipshit (me) will electrocute himself.


On 6/3/2016 11:43 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Can I use the DC relay in a site monitor base unit to trigger an AC 
relay?

Can I use the relay in a site monitor to directly switch an AC load?
What I want to do is trick the utility power sensor in a standby 
generator so I can make it start when I want it to. So an NC relay 
in-line with that sensor, and I'll open it to make the genny start.

Re: [AFMUG] Electronics question

[George Skorup]

If you're talking about a Generac single phase setup, just put in an 
external DPDT relay to cut the two utility monitor legs (normally the 
two yellow wires in a transfer kit). Most of the Generac controllers 
wait for 192 volts or less, so I suppose you could cut only one leg and 
achieve the same thing. There should be very little if any current on 
those two wires since they're just used for voltage and frequency sensing.


I know that our 22kw QS has the 2-wire remote start option, which I 
didn't really bother looking into since we're using the normal switch setup.


But me personally, I will be keeping AC away from the SiteMonitor 
because some dipshit (me) will electrocute himself.


On 6/3/2016 11:43 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Can I use the DC relay in a site monitor base unit to trigger an AC relay?
Can I use the relay in a site monitor to directly switch an AC load?
What I want to do is trick the utility power sensor in a standby 
generator so I can make it start when I want it to.  So an NC relay 
in-line with that sensor, and I'll open it to make the genny start.

Re: [AFMUG] Electronics question

[Bill Prince]

On 6/3/2016 9:43 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Can I use the DC relay in a site monitor base unit to trigger an AC relay?

Yes.

Can I use the relay in a site monitor to directly switch an AC load?

Yes, as long as you don't exceed the current rating of the contacts.
What I want to do is trick the utility power sensor in a standby 
generator so I can make it start when I want it to.  So an NC relay 
in-line with that sensor, and I'll open it to make the genny start.


bp

Re: [AFMUG] Electronics question

[D. Ryan Spott]

Yes. You can do this.

Just look at the ratings of the relay in question.

ryan

On 6/3/16 9:43 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Can I use the DC relay in a site monitor base unit to trigger an AC relay?
Can I use the relay in a site monitor to directly switch an AC load?
What I want to do is trick the utility power sensor in a standby 
generator so I can make it start when I want it to.  So an NC relay 
in-line with that sensor, and I'll open it to make the genny start.


--

Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
Community Networking Solutions
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
360-499-2164

Re: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes

[chuck]

Whimps

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 10:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes

I actually haven't seen someone climb poles in ages.  TWC, Frontier, and DP 
(power) all use bucket trucks.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

  Not sure. I know our little town only does bucket work now.

  Justin Wilson
  j...@mtin.net

  ---
  http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
  xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

  http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
  Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

  > On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
  >
  > Yeah, I've seen those. Wasn't there some reg that went in fairly
  > recently (OSHA / Lineman) that said they couldn't fall more than 3
  > feet without arrest now? My memory is a little foggy, and I'm not
  > climbing towers anymore.
  >

  > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
  >> http://www.70esolutions.com/miller-stopfall-fall-restraint-system/
  >>
  >>
  >> Justin Wilson
  >> j...@mtin.net
  >>
  >> ---
  >> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
  >> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
  >>
  >> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
  >> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
  >>
  >> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
  >>
  >> I like DBI-Sala. I became a Miller fan after awhile though. That
  >> aircore harness and their retractable lanyards are very nice.
  >>
  >> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
  >>
  >> Then new designs in “pole technology” is they are actually putting a long
  >> threaded rod through the pole.  The spikes actually screw into them to 
brace
  >> them.  The guy who just went through his apprenticeship for line work on
  >> utility poles got cynch-lok stuff from DBI-SALA.
  >>
  >> Justin Wilson
  >> j...@mtin.net
  >>
  >> ---
  >> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
  >> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
  >>
  >> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
  >> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
  >>
  >> On Jun 2, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
  >>
  >> Keep in mind, that you will have to drill a hole for each one.  You can’t
  >> just bang them in.   But you do want an undersized hole.
  >> I would rather work off of hooks because you can move around the pole to 
the
  >> most ideal position.
  >>
  >> Whether hooks or steps pole rot happens.   At least with a step you can 
feel
  >> it being soft and moving when you step on it.
  >> With hooks sometimes you kick out  a whole slab on the side and down  you
  >> come.
  >>
  >> Torn up shirt and splinters in your arms and chest.
  >>
  >> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
  >> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 9:41 AM
  >> To: af@afmug.com
  >> Subject: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes
  >>
  >> are these things even made any more? Im talking about the ones on the poles
  >> not the boot straps. I can find "vintage spikes" for sale as antiques but
  >> nothing new. We have more and more customers putting up telephone poles for
  >> service, and the volume makes the ladder to the pole too risky. I havent
  >> seen these on new poles in decades, were they banned of something?
  >>
  >> --
  >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
  >> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >

[AFMUG] Electronics question

[Adam Moffett]

Can I use the DC relay in a site monitor base unit to trigger an AC 
relay?


Can I use the relay in a site monitor to directly switch an AC load?

What I want to do is trick the utility power sensor in a standby 
generator so I can make it start when I want it to.  So an NC relay 
in-line with that sensor, and I'll open it to make the genny start.

Re: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes

[Josh Luthman]

I actually haven't seen someone climb poles in ages.  TWC, Frontier, and
DP (power) all use bucket trucks.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

> Not sure. I know our little town only does bucket work now.
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>
> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>
> > On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, I've seen those. Wasn't there some reg that went in fairly
> > recently (OSHA / Lineman) that said they couldn't fall more than 3
> > feet without arrest now? My memory is a little foggy, and I'm not
> > climbing towers anymore.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
> >> http://www.70esolutions.com/miller-stopfall-fall-restraint-system/
> >>
> >>
> >> Justin Wilson
> >> j...@mtin.net
> >>
> >> ---
> >> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> >> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
> >>
> >> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
> >> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
> >>
> >> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I like DBI-Sala. I became a Miller fan after awhile though. That
> >> aircore harness and their retractable lanyards are very nice.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
> >>
> >> Then new designs in “pole technology” is they are actually putting a
> long
> >> threaded rod through the pole.  The spikes actually screw into them to
> brace
> >> them.  The guy who just went through his apprenticeship for line work on
> >> utility poles got cynch-lok stuff from DBI-SALA.
> >>
> >> Justin Wilson
> >> j...@mtin.net
> >>
> >> ---
> >> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> >> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
> >>
> >> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
> >> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
> >>
> >> On Jun 2, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> >>
> >> Keep in mind, that you will have to drill a hole for each one.  You
> can’t
> >> just bang them in.   But you do want an undersized hole.
> >> I would rather work off of hooks because you can move around the pole
> to the
> >> most ideal position.
> >>
> >> Whether hooks or steps pole rot happens.   At least with a step you can
> feel
> >> it being soft and moving when you step on it.
> >> With hooks sometimes you kick out  a whole slab on the side and down
> you
> >> come.
> >>
> >> Torn up shirt and splinters in your arms and chest.
> >>
> >> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 9:41 AM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes
> >>
> >> are these things even made any more? Im talking about the ones on the
> poles
> >> not the boot straps. I can find "vintage spikes" for sale as antiques
> but
> >> nothing new. We have more and more customers putting up telephone poles
> for
> >> service, and the volume makes the ladder to the pole too risky. I havent
> >> seen these on new poles in decades, were they banned of something?
> >>
> >> --
> >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as
> >> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes

[Justin Wilson]

Not sure. I know our little town only does bucket work now. 

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I've seen those. Wasn't there some reg that went in fairly
> recently (OSHA / Lineman) that said they couldn't fall more than 3
> feet without arrest now? My memory is a little foggy, and I'm not
> climbing towers anymore.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>> http://www.70esolutions.com/miller-stopfall-fall-restraint-system/
>> 
>> 
>> Justin Wilson
>> j...@mtin.net
>> 
>> ---
>> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
>> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>> 
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
>> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>> 
>> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>> 
>> I like DBI-Sala. I became a Miller fan after awhile though. That
>> aircore harness and their retractable lanyards are very nice.
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>> 
>> Then new designs in “pole technology” is they are actually putting a long
>> threaded rod through the pole.  The spikes actually screw into them to brace
>> them.  The guy who just went through his apprenticeship for line work on
>> utility poles got cynch-lok stuff from DBI-SALA.
>> 
>> Justin Wilson
>> j...@mtin.net
>> 
>> ---
>> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
>> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>> 
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
>> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>> 
>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> 
>> Keep in mind, that you will have to drill a hole for each one.  You can’t
>> just bang them in.   But you do want an undersized hole.
>> I would rather work off of hooks because you can move around the pole to the
>> most ideal position.
>> 
>> Whether hooks or steps pole rot happens.   At least with a step you can feel
>> it being soft and moving when you step on it.
>> With hooks sometimes you kick out  a whole slab on the side and down  you
>> come.
>> 
>> Torn up shirt and splinters in your arms and chest.
>> 
>> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 9:41 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes
>> 
>> are these things even made any more? Im talking about the ones on the poles
>> not the boot straps. I can find "vintage spikes" for sale as antiques but
>> nothing new. We have more and more customers putting up telephone poles for
>> service, and the volume makes the ladder to the pole too risky. I havent
>> seen these on new poles in decades, were they banned of something?
>> 
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Overlashing ADSS

[Chuck Hogg]

Here's the installation diagram.  Shows using Tie Wraps/Zip Ties.

http://preformed.com/images/pdfs/Energy/Fiber_Optics/Hardware_for_Aerial_FTTP_Applications/Fiberlign_ADSS_Midspan_Drop/sp3001.pdf


Regards,
Chuck

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 12:19 AM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Yes, but I need something to hold the drop to the ADSS for the length of
> the run.
>
>
> On Thursday, June 2, 2016, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>
>> Its two cable wraps that shape a T isn't it?  They wrap the ADSS, form
>> the T and the leg coming off the ADSS is for the drop midspan.
>>
>> On Thursday, June 2, 2016, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, I see midspan drop hardware on that sheet, which implies that
>>> they are attaching the drop cable to the ADSS somehow, I don't see that
>>> element of the installation though.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 2, 2016, Chuck Hogg  wrote:
>>>
 Here are some options.


 http://preformed.com/images/pdfs/Energy/Fiber_Optics/Hardware_for_Aerial_FTTP_Applications/Fiberlign_ADSS_Midspan_Drop/co-ss-1007-1fibr_adssdrpcbl.pdf

 Regards,
 Chuck

 On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Has anyone done this? I'm looking for a way to attach flat drop cable
> to an overhead ADSS cable. I've seen it done before using zip ties, but
> wasn't sure if that was advisable.
>
> -Jason
>


>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes

[Josh Reynolds]

Yeah, I've seen those. Wasn't there some reg that went in fairly
recently (OSHA / Lineman) that said they couldn't fall more than 3
feet without arrest now? My memory is a little foggy, and I'm not
climbing towers anymore.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
> http://www.70esolutions.com/miller-stopfall-fall-restraint-system/
>
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>
> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>
> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
> I like DBI-Sala. I became a Miller fan after awhile though. That
> aircore harness and their retractable lanyards are very nice.
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>
> Then new designs in “pole technology” is they are actually putting a long
> threaded rod through the pole.  The spikes actually screw into them to brace
> them.  The guy who just went through his apprenticeship for line work on
> utility poles got cynch-lok stuff from DBI-SALA.
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>
> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>
> On Jun 2, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Keep in mind, that you will have to drill a hole for each one.  You can’t
> just bang them in.   But you do want an undersized hole.
> I would rather work off of hooks because you can move around the pole to the
> most ideal position.
>
> Whether hooks or steps pole rot happens.   At least with a step you can feel
> it being soft and moving when you step on it.
> With hooks sometimes you kick out  a whole slab on the side and down  you
> come.
>
> Torn up shirt and splinters in your arms and chest.
>
> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 9:41 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes
>
> are these things even made any more? Im talking about the ones on the poles
> not the boot straps. I can find "vintage spikes" for sale as antiques but
> nothing new. We have more and more customers putting up telephone poles for
> service, and the volume makes the ladder to the pole too risky. I havent
> seen these on new poles in decades, were they banned of something?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Generator runtime on very light loads

[Chris Fabien]

I have a similar situation, we have a Honda EU20001 running on a 12gal boat
gas tank. It will run about 6 days on a tank full.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 10:06 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> In retrospect, these are stupid questions.
>
> I wanted the Generac anyway to use for a standby generator at one site,
> but at a different site I have a temporary need to run on generator for
> about a month while I wait for the power company to hook up our new
> service...there's only about a 200 Watt load.  Given the fuel cost of
> running the Generac continuously for a month, it will be cheaper to buy a
> separate portable generator.
>
> nevermind.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 6/3/2016 9:20:07 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Generator runtime on very light loads
>
>
> Generac tech support could not answer this question for me:
>
> What will my fuel consumption be a 1% load.  I am looking at a 16kw
> Generac Guardian.  Which has a 992cc engine and the spec sheet says will be
> consuming 1.99gal/hour of propane at 50% load.  I'll be at 1% load and want
> to know how much fuel I would consume per hour.
>
> Or maybe a different question:  What's the minimum amount of fuel it takes
> to keep a 992cc engine running at 3600RPM?
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes

[Justin Wilson]

http://www.70esolutions.com/miller-stopfall-fall-restraint-system/ 



Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Jun 3, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> 
> I like DBI-Sala. I became a Miller fan after awhile though. That
> aircore harness and their retractable lanyards are very nice.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>> Then new designs in “pole technology” is they are actually putting a long
>> threaded rod through the pole.  The spikes actually screw into them to brace
>> them.  The guy who just went through his apprenticeship for line work on
>> utility poles got cynch-lok stuff from DBI-SALA.
>> 
>> Justin Wilson
>> j...@mtin.net
>> 
>> ---
>> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
>> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>> 
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
>> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>> 
>> On Jun 2, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> 
>> Keep in mind, that you will have to drill a hole for each one.  You can’t
>> just bang them in.   But you do want an undersized hole.
>> I would rather work off of hooks because you can move around the pole to the
>> most ideal position.
>> 
>> Whether hooks or steps pole rot happens.   At least with a step you can feel
>> it being soft and moving when you step on it.
>> With hooks sometimes you kick out  a whole slab on the side and down  you
>> come.
>> 
>> Torn up shirt and splinters in your arms and chest.
>> 
>> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 9:41 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes
>> 
>> are these things even made any more? Im talking about the ones on the poles
>> not the boot straps. I can find "vintage spikes" for sale as antiques but
>> nothing new. We have more and more customers putting up telephone poles for
>> service, and the volume makes the ladder to the pole too risky. I havent
>> seen these on new poles in decades, were they banned of something?
>> 
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes

[Josh Reynolds]

I like DBI-Sala. I became a Miller fan after awhile though. That
aircore harness and their retractable lanyards are very nice.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
> Then new designs in “pole technology” is they are actually putting a long
> threaded rod through the pole.  The spikes actually screw into them to brace
> them.  The guy who just went through his apprenticeship for line work on
> utility poles got cynch-lok stuff from DBI-SALA.
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>
> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>
> On Jun 2, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Keep in mind, that you will have to drill a hole for each one.  You can’t
> just bang them in.   But you do want an undersized hole.
> I would rather work off of hooks because you can move around the pole to the
> most ideal position.
>
> Whether hooks or steps pole rot happens.   At least with a step you can feel
> it being soft and moving when you step on it.
> With hooks sometimes you kick out  a whole slab on the side and down  you
> come.
>
> Torn up shirt and splinters in your arms and chest.
>
> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 9:41 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes
>
> are these things even made any more? Im talking about the ones on the poles
> not the boot straps. I can find "vintage spikes" for sale as antiques but
> nothing new. We have more and more customers putting up telephone poles for
> service, and the volume makes the ladder to the pole too risky. I havent
> seen these on new poles in decades, were they banned of something?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes

[Justin Wilson]

Then new designs in “pole technology” is they are actually putting a long 
threaded rod through the pole.  The spikes actually screw into them to brace 
them.  The guy who just went through his apprenticeship for line work on 
utility poles got cynch-lok stuff from DBI-SALA.

Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Jun 2, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Keep in mind, that you will have to drill a hole for each one.  You can’t 
> just bang them in.   But you do want an undersized hole.
> I would rather work off of hooks because you can move around the pole to the 
> most ideal position.
>  
> Whether hooks or steps pole rot happens.   At least with a step you can feel 
> it being soft and moving when you step on it.
> With hooks sometimes you kick out  a whole slab on the side and down  you 
> come.
>  
> Torn up shirt and splinters in your arms and chest. 
>  
> From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 9:41 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes
>  
> are these things even made any more? Im talking about the ones on the poles 
> not the boot straps. I can find "vintage spikes" for sale as antiques but 
> nothing new. We have more and more customers putting up telephone poles for 
> service, and the volume makes the ladder to the pole too risky. I havent seen 
> these on new poles in decades, were they banned of something?
>  
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Joe Falaschi]

We also do not have much 2.4GHz and attempt to install very few non line of 
sight links.  In cases where we have done a few non ideal installs, we have not 
done it with 2.4GHz but 3.65GHz.

That said, for your dense urban area, you will be very happy with the new EPMP 
2k.  We have not done a direct comparison between EPMP 1k, 2k and PMP450 
though.  The 450i has intelligent filtering, as does the EPMP2k.  I think the 
EPMP has a slight leg up at this moment in time due to the beam steering.  
PMP450m will probably tip the scales again.

Joe Falaschi
e-vergent



> On Jun 3, 2016, at 9:17 AM, David  wrote:
> 
> We have removed ANY 2.4 on our network and let it be the indoor useful IOT 
> access for all.
> Urban areas is just to high for 2.4 in general. 
> 3.65 pmp450 has brought us mucho success in this area and the newest 900 450i 
> rocks. I just need those KP higher gain cpe Ant to get a little deeper 
> distance from the tower.
> 
> We  have a few customers on new 900 running 17-20 Mbs through the thickest 
> crap around 3 mile out some less than this but with a little more cpe gain we 
> will get this.
> 
> With the dense urban area we have there is no way I could use epmp at my 
> dense tower locations or ubnt for that matter. I do however have about 15 
> subs on a single epmp AP in an area that does fine with 10Mbx10Mb service 
> rate.
> The coolest thing about that site is that it has 2 epmp panels back to back 
> on same channel using the gps sync working great.
> 
> 
> 
> On 06/02/2016 05:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> I can only warn you that you'll have a very angry set of customers.
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Mathew Howard > > wrote:
>> I've been meaning to do a direct comparison between the two, by swapping one 
>> of our UBNT 2.4ghz APs to an ePMP and keeping the exact same antennas and 
>> everything else... I just need to figure out where I can do it that's going 
>> to give me some useful information and not make too many customers angry.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:49 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller > > wrote:
>>  
>> I do not believe we have had both on the same tower.  We had diverted to 
>> doing epmp 2.4 not long after it came out   as we 
>> had lots of problems with ESD on ubnt 2.4 rockets.  Changed some things and 
>> they are surviving storms much better.
>>  
>> Tests near EPMP vs. tests on other towers (3 miles away? - totally same 
>> environment) just revealed in dramatically different results. Not as much 
>> speed, maybe, but at least we're getting a usable signal up to a mile or two 
>> away.  With epmp we're lucky to get a mile way.
>>  
>> Understand we are in THICK tree country.  900 is still our primary product
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Mathew Howard 
>> To: af 
>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
>> 
>> But does it actually perform worse that UBNT 2.4ghz on the same link, or is 
>> it maybe just differences in how they calculate signal levels? It doesn't 
>> make any sense that two different radios running on the same frequency 
>> putting the same amount of power into the same antennas would give 
>> significantly different signal levels...
>> 
>> The closest thing I've done to a comparison was playing with a Force 200 
>> 2.4ghz in wifi mode... there didn't seem to be a significant difference 
>> between it and a PowerBeam connecting to the same AP.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>> And I've tried IT Elite dual pol panels, Force 200 2.4, integrated + 
>> reflector for CPEs.  Continues to suck.
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof > > wrote:
>> I’m thinking more the CPE antennas.
>>  
>> From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:59 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
>>  
>>  
>> hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with ubnt we're using kp 
>> performance.  With epmp, i think it is bundled antennas...
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Ken Hohhof 
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
>>  
>> Jay, I suspect the difference you are seeing may be mainly in the antennas.  
>> 2.4 GHz from any vendor should penetrate the same, the radio waves don’t 
>> care what brand radio 

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Mathew Howard]

I would love to be able to ditch 2.4ghz, but unfortunately that just isn't
an option at this point. 900mhz and 3.65ghz gear that works is just too
expensive for low density towers.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Which and what type of urban environment?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"David" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, June 3, 2016 9:17:12 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
>
> We have removed ANY 2.4 on our network and let it be the indoor useful IOT
> access for all.
> Urban areas is just to high for 2.4 in general.
> 3.65 pmp450 has brought us mucho success in this area and the newest 900
> 450i rocks. I just need those KP higher gain cpe Ant to get a little deeper
> distance from the tower.
>
> We  have a few customers on new 900 running 17-20 Mbs through the thickest
> crap around 3 mile out some less than this but with a little more cpe gain
> we will get this.
>
> With the dense urban area we have there is no way I could use epmp at my
> dense tower locations or ubnt for that matter. I do however have about 15
> subs on a single epmp AP in an area that does fine with 10Mbx10Mb service
> rate.
> The coolest thing about that site is that it has 2 epmp panels back to
> back on same channel using the gps sync working great.
>
>
>
> On 06/02/2016 05:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I can only warn you that you'll have a very angry set of customers.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> I've been meaning to do a direct comparison between the two, by swapping
>> one of our UBNT 2.4ghz APs to an ePMP and keeping the exact same antennas
>> and everything else... I just need to figure out where I can do it that's
>> going to give me some useful information and not make too many customers
>> angry.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:49 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I do not believe we have had both on the same tower.  We had diverted to
>>> doing epmp 2.4 not long after it came out as we had lots of problems with
>>> ESD on ubnt 2.4 rockets.  Changed some things and they are surviving storms
>>> much better.
>>>
>>> Tests near EPMP vs. tests on other towers (3 miles away? - totally same
>>> environment) just revealed in dramatically different results. Not as much
>>> speed, maybe, but at least we're getting a usable signal up to a mile or
>>> two away.  With epmp we're lucky to get a mile way.
>>>
>>> Understand we are in THICK tree country.  900 is still our primary
>>> product
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard 
>>> *To:* af 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:31 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
>>>
>>> But does it actually perform worse that UBNT 2.4ghz on the same link, or
>>> is it maybe just differences in how they calculate signal levels? It
>>> doesn't make any sense that two different radios running on the same
>>> frequency putting the same amount of power into the same antennas would
>>> give significantly different signal levels...
>>>
>>> The closest thing I've done to a comparison was playing with a Force 200
>>> 2.4ghz in wifi mode... there didn't seem to be a significant difference
>>> between it and a PowerBeam connecting to the same AP.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 And I've tried IT Elite dual pol panels, Force 200 2.4, integrated +
 reflector for CPEs.  Continues to suck.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I’m thinking more the CPE antennas.
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
>
>
> hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with ubnt we're using kp
> performance.  With epmp, i think it is bundled antennas...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Ken 

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[Mike Hammett]

Which and what type of urban environment? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "David"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 9:17:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP 

We have removed ANY 2.4 on our network and let it be the indoor useful IOT 
access for all. 
Urban areas is just to high for 2.4 in general. 
3.65 pmp450 has brought us mucho success in this area and the newest 900 450i 
rocks. I just need those KP higher gain cpe Ant to get a little deeper distance 
from the tower. 

We have a few customers on new 900 running 17-20 Mbs through the thickest crap 
around 3 mile out some less than this but with a little more cpe gain we will 
get this. 

With the dense urban area we have there is no way I could use epmp at my dense 
tower locations or ubnt for that matter. I do however have about 15 subs on a 
single epmp AP in an area that does fine with 10Mbx10Mb service rate. 
The coolest thing about that site is that it has 2 epmp panels back to back on 
same channel using the gps sync working great. 




On 06/02/2016 05:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 



I can only warn you that you'll have a very angry set of customers. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: 




I've been meaning to do a direct comparison between the two, by swapping one of 
our UBNT 2.4ghz APs to an ePMP and keeping the exact same antennas and 
everything else... I just need to figure out where I can do it that's going to 
give me some useful information and not make too many customers angry. 



On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:49 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
wrote: 





I do not believe we have had both on the same tower. We had diverted to doing 
epmp 2.4 not long after it came out as we had lots of problems with ESD on ubnt 
2.4 rockets. Changed some things and they are surviving storms much better. 

Tests near EPMP vs. tests on other towers (3 miles away? - totally same 
environment) just revealed in dramatically different results. Not as much 
speed, maybe, but at least we're getting a usable signal up to a mile or two 
away. With epmp we're lucky to get a mile way. 

Understand we are in THICK tree country. 900 is still our primary product 



- Original Message - 
From: Mathew Howard 
To: af 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP 



But does it actually perform worse that UBNT 2.4ghz on the same link, or is it 
maybe just differences in how they calculate signal levels? It doesn't make any 
sense that two different radios running on the same frequency putting the same 
amount of power into the same antennas would give significantly different 
signal levels... 

The closest thing I've done to a comparison was playing with a Force 200 2.4ghz 
in wifi mode... there didn't seem to be a significant difference between it and 
a PowerBeam connecting to the same AP. 





On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



And I've tried IT Elite dual pol panels, Force 200 2.4, integrated + reflector 
for CPEs. Continues to suck. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 








I’m thinking more the CPE antennas. 




From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:59 PM 




To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP 







hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with ubnt we're using kp performance. 
With epmp, i think it is bundled antennas... 



- Original Message - 
From: Ken Hohhof 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP 



Jay, I suspect the difference you are seeing may be mainly in the antennas. 2.4 
GHz from any vendor should penetrate the same, the radio waves don’t care what 
brand radio launched them. And I think the difference between the platforms 
will be most evident in low interference environment where they can achieve 
their full modulation and throughput. With low SNR, I think it’s kind of like 
arguing Ferrari vs Porsche for off road racing, neither will be able to show 
off its capabilities. Receiver sensitivity and bits/sec/Hz won’t matter. 





From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP 



Also interested in interference rejection of the pmp450 - is there any (in 2.4) 
we are getting better foliage penetration with ubnt 2.4 than epmp 2.4 - - and 
from the performance of 
the epmp 2.4 i wish wish wish it penetrated better! 



- Original Message - 
From: Matt 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:25 PM 

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[David]

We have removed ANY 2.4 on our network and let it be the indoor useful 
IOT access for all.

Urban areas is just to high for 2.4 in general.
3.65 pmp450 has brought us mucho success in this area and the newest 900 
450i rocks. I just need those KP higher gain cpe Ant to get a little 
deeper distance from the tower.


We  have a few customers on new 900 running 17-20 Mbs through the 
thickest crap around 3 mile out some less than this but with a little 
more cpe gain we will get this.


With the dense urban area we have there is no way I could use epmp at my 
dense tower locations or ubnt for that matter. I do however have about 
15 subs on a single epmp AP in an area that does fine with 10Mbx10Mb 
service rate.
The coolest thing about that site is that it has 2 epmp panels back to 
back on same channel using the gps sync working great.




On 06/02/2016 05:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I can only warn you that you'll have a very angry set of customers.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Mathew Howard > wrote:


I've been meaning to do a direct comparison between the two, by
swapping one of our UBNT 2.4ghz APs to an ePMP and keeping the
exact same antennas and everything else... I just need to figure
out where I can do it that's going to give me some useful
information and not make too many customers angry.

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:49 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
> wrote:

I do not believe we have had both on the same tower.  We had
diverted to doing epmp 2.4 not long after it came out as we
had lots of problems with ESD on ubnt 2.4 rockets.  Changed
some things and they are surviving storms much better.
Tests near EPMP vs. tests on other towers (3 miles away? -
totally same environment) just revealed in dramatically
different results. Not as much speed, maybe, but at least
we're getting a usable signal up to a mile or two away.  With
epmp we're lucky to get a mile way.
Understand we are in THICK tree country.  900 is still our
primary product

- Original Message -
*From:* Mathew Howard 
*To:* af 
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:31 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

But does it actually perform worse that UBNT 2.4ghz on the
same link, or is it maybe just differences in how they
calculate signal levels? It doesn't make any sense that
two different radios running on the same frequency putting
the same amount of power into the same antennas would give
significantly different signal levels...

The closest thing I've done to a comparison was playing
with a Force 200 2.4ghz in wifi mode... there didn't seem
to be a significant difference between it and a PowerBeam
connecting to the same AP.

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:

And I've tried IT Elite dual pol panels, Force 200
2.4, integrated + reflector for CPEs. Continues to suck.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof
> wrote:

I’m thinking more the CPE antennas.
*From:* CBB - Jay Fuller

*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with ubnt
we're using kp performance. With epmp, i think it
is bundled antennas...

- Original Message -
*From:* Ken Hohhof 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
Jay, I suspect the difference you are seeing
may be mainly in the antennas. 2.4 GHz from
any vendor should penetrate the same, the
radio waves don’t care what brand radio
launched them.  And I think the difference
  

Re: [AFMUG] Generator runtime on very light loads

[Adam Moffett]

Hmmm...good point.  I know a guy I can ask.

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/3/2016 10:00:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Generator runtime on very light loads

Good question.  Not much.  I had lots of  units that would start and 
run 15 minutes each week.  There was almost zero fuel cost each year 
unless there  had been some power outages.
I think you would have to find someone willing to run their unit and 
measure the fuel consumption to get a good figure.  It is probably 
somewhat dependent on outside air temp and altitude.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 7:20 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Generator runtime on very light loads

Generac tech support could not answer this question for me:

What will my fuel consumption be a 1% load.  I am looking at a 16kw 
Generac Guardian.  Which has a 992cc engine and the spec sheet says 
will be consuming 1.99gal/hour of propane at 50% load.  I'll be at 1% 
load and want to know how much fuel I would consume per hour.


Or maybe a different question:  What's the minimum amount of fuel it 
takes to keep a 992cc engine running at 3600RPM?

Re: [AFMUG] Squirrel proofing

[Jaime Solorza]

They are also called cable glands or strain relief... grainger and
electrical houses carry them...
http://m.platt.com/platt-electric-supply/Cable-Glands-Metallic-Gland-Brass/Mencom/MCG-M12/Products.aspx?pid=635749
On Jun 3, 2016 8:03 AM, "David"  wrote:

> Core grips?
>  got a link to this?
> thanks
> Dave
>
>
> On 06/02/2016 11:08 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Try core grips they come in different sizes
> On Jun 2, 2016 9:31 AM, "David"  wrote:
>
>> We have either HDPFE conduit or Superior Essex clamped with hangers and
>> grommets.
>> The Breakout is the hardest to deal with top side. We use Sched 80
>> enclosure with some all thread thru the side of the enclosure to hang all
>> of the
>> cable hangers on. Keeps everything neat and in line.
>> I cannot stand messy cable runs. If we cannot identify a cable in secs of
>> being on site it fails my standards.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 06/01/2016 10:01 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>
>>> Any grand suggestions on rodent and bird proofing cables secured to a
>>> wood phone pole? It seems either squirrels or wood peckers attacked one of
>>> our sites.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Generator runtime on very light loads

[Adam Moffett]

In retrospect, these are stupid questions.

I wanted the Generac anyway to use for a standby generator at one site, 
but at a different site I have a temporary need to run on generator for 
about a month while I wait for the power company to hook up our new 
service...there's only about a 200 Watt load.  Given the fuel cost of 
running the Generac continuously for a month, it will be cheaper to buy 
a separate portable generator.


nevermind.

-- Original Message --
From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 6/3/2016 9:20:07 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Generator runtime on very light loads


Generac tech support could not answer this question for me:

What will my fuel consumption be a 1% load.  I am looking at a 16kw 
Generac Guardian.  Which has a 992cc engine and the spec sheet says 
will be consuming 1.99gal/hour of propane at 50% load.  I'll be at 1% 
load and want to know how much fuel I would consume per hour.


Or maybe a different question:  What's the minimum amount of fuel it 
takes to keep a 992cc engine running at 3600RPM?

Re: [AFMUG] Squirrel proofing

[David]

Core grips?
 got a link to this?
thanks
Dave


On 06/02/2016 11:08 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


Try core grips they come in different sizes

On Jun 2, 2016 9:31 AM, "David" > wrote:


We have either HDPFE conduit or Superior Essex clamped with
hangers and grommets.
The Breakout is the hardest to deal with top side. We use Sched 80
enclosure with some all thread thru the side of the enclosure to
hang all of the
cable hangers on. Keeps everything neat and in line.
I cannot stand messy cable runs. If we cannot identify a cable in
secs of being on site it fails my standards.



On 06/01/2016 10:01 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Any grand suggestions on rodent and bird proofing cables
secured to a wood phone pole? It seems either squirrels or
wood peckers attacked one of our sites.

Re: [AFMUG] Generator runtime on very light loads

[Chuck McCown]

Good question.  Not much.  I had lots of  units that would start and run 15 
minutes each week.  There was almost zero fuel cost each year unless there  had 
been some power outages.  
I think you would have to find someone willing to run their unit and measure 
the fuel consumption to get a good figure.  It is probably somewhat dependent 
on outside air temp and altitude.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2016 7:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Generator runtime on very light loads

Generac tech support could not answer this question for me:

What will my fuel consumption be a 1% load.  I am looking at a 16kw Generac 
Guardian.  Which has a 992cc engine and the spec sheet says will be consuming 
1.99gal/hour of propane at 50% load.  I'll be at 1% load and want to know how 
much fuel I would consume per hour.

Or maybe a different question:  What's the minimum amount of fuel it takes to 
keep a 992cc engine running at 3600RPM? 

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Temps

[Jaime Solorza]

Coolpun intended
On Jun 3, 2016 7:10 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> I’ll get some next time we are out there.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 5:50 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Temps
>
>
>
> Seen that.   Your set up of netonix in enclosure.
>
> On Jun 3, 2016 6:28 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> Of what?  My hands melting against my car door handle?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 5:21 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Temps
>
>
>
> Yikes... pictures?
>
> On Jun 2, 2016 11:39 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> We are supposed to hit 118 degrees this weekend.  The box for the Netonix
> is going in tomorrow.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 2, 2016 2:35 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Temps
>
>
>
> Supposed to hit 102 this weekend here wonder in Phoenix get a
> bigger enclosure that helps along with fan.
>
> On Jun 2, 2016 2:24 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> I don’t know.  We are changing it out to a box with a fan shortly.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 1:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Temps
>
>
>
> 86C CPU I'm assuming?  How has that thing not exploded???
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> Right now in Phoenix, my worst Netonix is saying 86C CPE and 78C PHY.
>
> Rory
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 12:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix Temps
>
> Hi folks...
> Summer has finally hit the west coast...Of people who are
> running
> Netonix switches in UN_Airconditioned environments..   Is anyone
> plotting their PHY temps?   What are you seeing for daily maxes at what
> kind of ambient air temps?
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Generator runtime on very light loads

[Adam Moffett]

Generac tech support could not answer this question for me:

What will my fuel consumption be a 1% load.  I am looking at a 16kw 
Generac Guardian.  Which has a 992cc engine and the spec sheet says will 
be consuming 1.99gal/hour of propane at 50% load.  I'll be at 1% load 
and want to know how much fuel I would consume per hour.


Or maybe a different question:  What's the minimum amount of fuel it 
takes to keep a 992cc engine running at 3600RPM?

Re: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes

[Adam Moffett]

We recently put some of these in, I think every 18" on a 60' (AGL) pole 
and it took hours.  Lots of time drilling.


If the pole company will pre-drill them for you at a reasonable price, 
then pay them to do it.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/2/2016 7:59:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes

Keep in mind, that you will have to drill a hole for each one.  You 
can’t just bang them in.   But you do want an undersized hole.
I would rather work off of hooks because you can move around the pole 
to the most ideal position.


Whether hooks or steps pole rot happens.   At least with a step you can 
feel it being soft and moving when you step on it.
With hooks sometimes you kick out  a whole slab on the side and down  
you come.


Torn up shirt and splinters in your arms and chest.

From:That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 9:41 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] telephone pole climbing spikes

are these things even made any more? Im talking about the ones on the 
poles not the boot straps. I can find "vintage spikes" for sale as 
antiques but nothing new. We have more and more customers putting up 
telephone poles for service, and the volume makes the ladder to the 
pole too risky. I havent seen these on new poles in decades, were they 
banned of something?


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Temps

[Rory Conaway]

I’ll get some next time we are out there.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 5:50 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Temps


Seen that.   Your set up of netonix in enclosure.
On Jun 3, 2016 6:28 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
Of what?  My hands melting against my car door handle?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 5:21 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Temps


Yikes... pictures?
On Jun 2, 2016 11:39 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
We are supposed to hit 118 degrees this weekend.  The box for the Netonix is 
going in tomorrow.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2016 2:35 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Temps


Supposed to hit 102 this weekend here wonder in Phoenix get a bigger 
enclosure that helps along with fan.
On Jun 2, 2016 2:24 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
I don’t know.  We are changing it out to a box with a fan shortly.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 1:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Temps

86C CPU I'm assuming?  How has that thing not exploded???


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
Right now in Phoenix, my worst Netonix is saying 86C CPE and 78C PHY.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 12:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix Temps

Hi folks...
Summer has finally hit the west coast...Of people who are running
Netonix switches in UN_Airconditioned environments..   Is anyone
plotting their PHY temps?   What are you seeing for daily maxes at what
kind of ambient air temps?

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Temps

[Jaime Solorza]

Seen that.   Your set up of netonix in enclosure.
On Jun 3, 2016 6:28 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> Of what?  My hands melting against my car door handle?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, June 3, 2016 5:21 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Temps
>
>
>
> Yikes... pictures?
>
> On Jun 2, 2016 11:39 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> We are supposed to hit 118 degrees this weekend.  The box for the Netonix
> is going in tomorrow.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 2, 2016 2:35 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Temps
>
>
>
> Supposed to hit 102 this weekend here wonder in Phoenix get a
> bigger enclosure that helps along with fan.
>
> On Jun 2, 2016 2:24 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> I don’t know.  We are changing it out to a box with a fan shortly.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 1:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix Temps
>
>
>
> 86C CPU I'm assuming?  How has that thing not exploded???
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> Right now in Phoenix, my worst Netonix is saying 86C CPE and 78C PHY.
>
> Rory
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2016 12:32 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix Temps
>
> Hi folks...
> Summer has finally hit the west coast...Of people who are
> running
> Netonix switches in UN_Airconditioned environments..   Is anyone
> plotting their PHY temps?   What are you seeing for daily maxes at what
> kind of ambient air temps?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Double Lolz
On Jun 2, 2016 10:30 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> UBNT is supposed to be coming out with PRISM-AC on 2.4. Will be
> interesting to see how it does.
> On Jun 2, 2016 4:49 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> Your welcome, I guess? =)
>>
>> I'd rather be proving you wrong so we can gut Ubnt 2.4 and put up ePMP
>> 2.4.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:47 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for proving my point ;)
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 4:09 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
>>>
>>> No...it's not.  The EPMP 2.4 radios just suck at penetration.  I've done
>>> Ubnt KPP and IT Elite - they all performed terribly.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:59 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>

 hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with ubnt we're using kp
 performance.  With epmp, i think it is bundled antennas...


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Ken Hohhof 
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

 Jay, I suspect the difference you are seeing may be mainly in the
 antennas.  2.4 GHz from any vendor should penetrate the same, the radio
 waves don’t care what brand radio launched them.  And I think the
 difference between the platforms will be most evident in low interference
 environment where they can achieve their full modulation and throughput.
 With low SNR, I think it’s kind of like arguing Ferrari vs Porsche for off
 road racing, neither will be able to show off its capabilities.  Receiver
 sensitivity and bits/sec/Hz won’t matter.


 *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
 *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP


 Also interested in interference rejection of the pmp450  - is there any
 (in 2.4)
 we are getting better foliage penetration with ubnt 2.4 than epmp 2.4 -
 - and from the performance of
 the epmp 2.4 i wish wish wish it penetrated better!


 - Original Message -
 *From:* Matt 
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:25 PM
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

 We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed.  Some Ubiquiti we tried and
 some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have tested but so far
 have not deployed more then couple test links.

 For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what are the differences
 you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance among others?

 For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what was the reasoning?


>>>
>>