date:20161016

I will look up the speech

How do you feel about the implied "bracing for war" Russia seems to be doing?

The right (I do live in Alabama) seems to believe they are bracing for war if 
Trump does not get elected.

I have not heard what the left thinks since all they can talk about is the 
Billy Bush trump tapes or women

In fact I don't believe the media is covering anythingNot even us firing on 
Yemen (I did not read that article on the internet I assume we bombed A 
terrorist camp or something) 

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From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2016 12:29 AM

Also, it seems this explains the nuclear deal Kerry negotiated with Iran, 
basically trying to do what wasn’t done with Iraq.  (Idiot Trump doesn’t seem 
to realize Clinton isn’t still Sec. of State, but then he lives in a fact free 
zone.)  After years of sanctions, you have to get some payoff as a result of 
those sanctions, apparently the deal was the best our negotiating team could 
get.  Not trying to argue yes or no on that, just if you look back to the Iraq 
vote and Kerry’s speech, you can understand why he took the approach he did 
with Iran. He has certainly worked his butt off on the diplomacy side even at 
the risk of failure.  Very different approach from Clinton, I think, who seemed 
to be more of a delegator.  Unfortunately his efforts on the Israel/Palestine 
issue were a total failure, and Putin and Lavrov totally played him for a fool 
on Syria.  Well, and Obama too, remember he was going to do the big “reset” 
with Russia.  And Hillary was the Russia hawk in the Obama administration.  
Makes me totally shake my head at Trump wanting to “get along” with Russia.  
Why is no one saying that sounds like weak Obama who tried to be Putin’s buddy 
and was made to look like a fool.  And no wonder Putin wants Trump to win, 
since Hillary is hawkish on Russia.  What a bizzaro world we live in, where the 
Republican candidate has a bromance with Putin, and it’s the Democratic 
candidate who wants to be tough on Russia?  From: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
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To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
Then listen to the whole speech. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On 
Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 12:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?

I remember very clearly the media covering how Saddam would not allow 
inspectors in and how he was very uncooperative.

In my opinion it is saddam's fault. Had he cooperated maybe we would not have 
gone to war



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From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2016 12:03 AM
I remember that very clearly.  It was a war authorization vote.  The President 
told Congress he needed the authorization to strengthen his hand when he went 
to the UN and allies and sought new sanctions to force Iraq to submit to 
inspection and disarm, to show that the nation was behind him, and that it was 
not a vote to go to war except as a last resort.  He basically framed it as a 
vote of confidence in him, that he needed that vote to show the world he was 
serious and the nation spoke with one voice, it made it very difficult for 
Congress not to vote yes.  Of course he didn’t follow through with his promises 
and quickly went to war without exhausting all other avenues. I clearly 
remember listening to Sen. John Kerry’s speech on the floor of the senate 
before the vote, laying this all out.  And I remember having a sick feeling 
that exactly what he said the President promised not to do and warned him not 
to do, was nonetheless going to happen.  Whatever you think of John Kerry, this 
is a riveting speech.  I found a video of it online.  It’s 50 minutes long, if 
you can’t spend that much time, skip to around 33:00.   
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4398929/sen-kerry-iraq-war-authorization-speech-9oct02
   From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?  
I remind youcongress had to vote on that. 

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- Reply message -
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 10:50 PM
Well Bush decision to invade Iraq did affect my family.. My son who proudly 
served in Iraq came back injured physically and mentally.  He is still under 
medical care ...   We should have gone after Taliban in Afghanistan and wiped 
them out along with poppie fields.   Hussein was a dictator I know but our 
reason to invade was based on weapons of mass

Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?

Also, it seems this explains the nuclear deal Kerry negotiated with Iran, 
basically trying to do what wasn’t done with Iraq.  (Idiot Trump doesn’t seem 
to realize Clinton isn’t still Sec. of State, but then he lives in a fact free 
zone.)  After years of sanctions, you have to get some payoff as a result of 
those sanctions, apparently the deal was the best our negotiating team could 
get.  Not trying to argue yes or no on that, just if you look back to the Iraq 
vote and Kerry’s speech, you can understand why he took the approach he did 
with Iran.

 

He has certainly worked his butt off on the diplomacy side even at the risk of 
failure.  Very different approach from Clinton, I think, who seemed to be more 
of a delegator.  Unfortunately his efforts on the Israel/Palestine issue were a 
total failure, and Putin and Lavrov totally played him for a fool on Syria.  
Well, and Obama too, remember he was going to do the big “reset” with Russia.  
And Hillary was the Russia hawk in the Obama administration.  Makes me totally 
shake my head at Trump wanting to “get along” with Russia.  Why is no one 
saying that sounds like weak Obama who tried to be Putin’s buddy and was made 
to look like a fool.  And no wonder Putin wants Trump to win, since Hillary is 
hawkish on Russia.  What a bizzaro world we live in, where the Republican 
candidate has a bromance with Putin, and it’s the Democratic candidate who 
wants to be tough on Russia?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 12:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?

 

Then listen to the whole speech.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 12:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?

 

 

I remember very clearly the media covering how Saddam would not allow 
inspectors in and how he was very uncooperative.

 

In my opinion it is saddam's fault. Had he cooperated maybe we would not have 
gone to war

 

 

 

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From: "Ken Hohhof"  >
To:  >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2016 12:03 AM

 

I remember that very clearly.  It was a war authorization vote.  The President 
told Congress he needed the authorization to strengthen his hand when he went 
to the UN and allies and sought new sanctions to force Iraq to submit to 
inspection and disarm, to show that the nation was behind him, and that it was 
not a vote to go to war except as a last resort.  He basically framed it as a 
vote of confidence in him, that he needed that vote to show the world he was 
serious and the nation spoke with one voice, it made it very difficult for 
Congress not to vote yes.  Of course he didn’t follow through with his promises 
and quickly went to war without exhausting all other avenues.

 

I clearly remember listening to Sen. John Kerry’s speech on the floor of the 
senate before the vote, laying this all out.  And I remember having a sick 
feeling that exactly what he said the President promised not to do and warned 
him not to do, was nonetheless going to happen.  Whatever you think of John 
Kerry, this is a riveting speech.  I found a video of it online.  It’s 50 
minutes long, if you can’t spend that much time, skip to around 33:00.  

 

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4398929/sen-kerry-iraq-war-authorization-speech-9oct02

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?

 

 

I remind youcongress had to vote on that. 

 

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From: "Jaime Solorza"  >
To: "Animal Farm"  >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 10:50 PM

 

Well Bush decision to invade Iraq did affect my family.. My son who proudly 
served in Iraq came back injured physically and mentally.  He is still under 
medical care ..   We should have gone after Taliban in Afghanistan and wiped 
them out along with poppie fields.   Hussein was a dictator I know but our 
reason to invade was based on weapons of mass destruction which didn't exist.   
We messed up the status quo, left and gave ISIS an opening... If you study 
history of region it has shown no outside nation has ever been able to conquer 
area for very long..  These folks have been at war since forever and we got 
caught up in it.  When you travel on plane you are affected... Large public 
events are different now because threat of terrorism exists.   So we are all 
affected some way.The times, they are a changin

 

On Oct 16,

Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?

Then listen to the whole speech.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 12:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?

I remember very clearly the media covering how Saddam would not allow 
inspectors in and how he was very uncooperative.

In my opinion it is saddam's fault. Had he cooperated maybe we would not have 
gone to war

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From: "Ken Hohhof"  >
To:  >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2016 12:03 AM

I remember that very clearly.  It was a war authorization vote.  The President 
told Congress he needed the authorization to strengthen his hand when he went 
to the UN and allies and sought new sanctions to force Iraq to submit to 
inspection and disarm, to show that the nation was behind him, and that it was 
not a vote to go to war except as a last resort.  He basically framed it as a 
vote of confidence in him, that he needed that vote to show the world he was 
serious and the nation spoke with one voice, it made it very difficult for 
Congress not to vote yes.  Of course he didn’t follow through with his promises 
and quickly went to war without exhausting all other avenues.

I clearly remember listening to Sen. John Kerry’s speech on the floor of the 
senate before the vote, laying this all out.  And I remember having a sick 
feeling that exactly what he said the President promised not to do and warned 
him not to do, was nonetheless going to happen.  Whatever you think of John 
Kerry, this is a riveting speech.  I found a video of it online.  It’s 50 
minutes long, if you can’t spend that much time, skip to around 33:00.  

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4398929/sen-kerry-iraq-war-authorization-speech-9oct02

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?

I remind youcongress had to vote on that. 

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- Reply message -
From: "Jaime Solorza"  >
To: "Animal Farm"  >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 10:50 PM

Well Bush decision to invade Iraq did affect my family.. My son who proudly 
served in Iraq came back injured physically and mentally.  He is still under 
medical care ..   We should have gone after Taliban in Afghanistan and wiped 
them out along with poppie fields.   Hussein was a dictator I know but our 
reason to invade was based on weapons of mass destruction which didn't exist.   
We messed up the status quo, left and gave ISIS an opening... If you study 
history of region it has shown no outside nation has ever been able to conquer 
area for very long..  These folks have been at war since forever and we got 
caught up in it.  When you travel on plane you are affected... Large public 
events are different now because threat of terrorism exists.   So we are all 
affected some way.The times, they are a changin

On Oct 16, 2016 9:21 PM, "Bruce Robertson"  > wrote:

Exactly right.  Who is president has some effect, but not game changing.  Most 
people in the country are middle of the road, and the progress of the country 
reflects that.  The pendulum swings back and forth, but always reverts to the 
mean.

On 10/16/16 8:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Congress makes and changes law.  Supreme Court makes a few important decisions. 
 Regulators are who really run the country.

Does it really matter who the president is?

What did Obama do?  Encouraged the ACA.  Dropped the ball in Syria.  But  how 
did he affect me, my degree of wealth, my amount of spare time?

Ditto Bush.  They affect foreign policy.  They have the ability to really mess 
up other people’s lives in other countries, but do they really have much effect 
on me?  

Granted, altering  the make up of the Supreme Court changes things like can I 
choose to marry a dude or do I have to sell wedding cakes to gays.  But that 
really does not touch me.  My granddaughter having to cope with dudes in the 
bathroom at school hits a bit closer to home, but I trust congress will 
eventually settle on something a bit more common sense.  

I guess I am trying to convince myself that a president really doesn’t do much 
here at home.  Congress does.  The court does.  Bureaucracies do.  

Now, if the president could get a whole truckload of cheese delivered to the 
Whitehouse and give it out to anyone that drops in for a visit, then we are 
talking about a real impact...

Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?

I remember very clearly the media covering how Saddam would not allow 
inspectors in and how he was very uncooperative.

In my opinion it is saddam's fault. Had he cooperated maybe we would not have 
gone to war



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From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
Date: Mon, Oct 17, 2016 12:03 AM

I remember that very clearly.  It was a war authorization vote.  The President 
told Congress he needed the authorization to strengthen his hand when he went 
to the UN and allies and sought new sanctions to force Iraq to submit to 
inspection and disarm, to show that the nation was behind him, and that it was 
not a vote to go to war except as a last resort.  He basically framed it as a 
vote of confidence in him, that he needed that vote to show the world he was 
serious and the nation spoke with one voice, it made it very difficult for 
Congress not to vote yes.  Of course he didn’t follow through with his promises 
and quickly went to war without exhausting all other avenues. I clearly 
remember listening to Sen. John Kerry’s speech on the floor of the senate 
before the vote, laying this all out.  And I remember having a sick feeling 
that exactly what he said the President promised not to do and warned him not 
to do, was nonetheless going to happen.  Whatever you think of John Kerry, this 
is a riveting speech.  I found a video of it online.  It’s 50 minutes long, if 
you can’t spend that much time, skip to around 33:00.   
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4398929/sen-kerry-iraq-war-authorization-speech-9oct02
   From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?  
I remind youcongress had to vote on that. 

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- Reply message -
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 10:50 PM
Well Bush decision to invade Iraq did affect my family.. My son who proudly 
served in Iraq came back injured physically and mentally.  He is still under 
medical care ..   We should have gone after Taliban in Afghanistan and wiped 
them out along with poppie fields.   Hussein was a dictator I know but our 
reason to invade was based on weapons of mass destruction which didn't exist.   
We messed up the status quo, left and gave ISIS an opening... If you study 
history of region it has shown no outside nation has ever been able to conquer 
area for very long..  These folks have been at war since forever and we got 
caught up in it.  When you travel on plane you are affected... Large public 
events are different now because threat of terrorism exists.   So we are all 
affected some way.The times, they are a changin On Oct 16, 2016 9:21 PM, 
"Bruce Robertson"  wrote:Exactly right.  Who is president has 
some effect, but not game changing.  Most people in the country are middle of 
the road, and the progress of the country reflects that.  The pendulum swings 
back and forth, but always reverts to the mean.On 10/16/16 8:17 PM, Chuck 
McCown wrote:
Congress makes and changes law.  Supreme Court makes a few important decisions. 
 Regulators are who really run the country.

Does it really matter who the president is?
What did Obama do?  Encouraged the ACA.  Dropped the ball in Syria.  But  how 
did he affect me, my degree of wealth, my amount of spare time?

Ditto Bush.  They affect foreign policy.  They have the ability to really mess 
up other people’s lives in other countries, but do they really have much effect 
on me?  

Granted, altering  the make up of the Supreme Court changes things like can I 
choose to marry a dude or do I have to sell wedding cakes to gays.  But that 
really does not touch me.  My granddaughter having to cope with dudes in the 
bathroom at school hits a bit closer to home, but I trust congress will 
eventually settle on something a bit more common sense.  

I guess I am trying to convince myself that a president really doesn’t do much 
here at home.  Congress does.  The court does.  Bureaucracies do.  

Now, if the president could get a whole truckload of cheese delivered to the 
Whitehouse and give it out to anyone that drops in for a visit, then we are 
talking about a real impact...

http://history1800s.about.com/od/19th-Century-Presidents/fl/Andrew-Jacksons-Big-Block-of-Cheese.htm



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Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?

I remember that very clearly.  It was a war authorization vote.  The President 
told Congress he needed the authorization to strengthen his hand when he went 
to the UN and allies and sought new sanctions to force Iraq to submit to 
inspection and disarm, to show that the nation was behind him, and that it was 
not a vote to go to war except as a last resort.  He basically framed it as a 
vote of confidence in him, that he needed that vote to show the world he was 
serious and the nation spoke with one voice, it made it very difficult for 
Congress not to vote yes.  Of course he didn’t follow through with his promises 
and quickly went to war without exhausting all other avenues.

 

I clearly remember listening to Sen. John Kerry’s speech on the floor of the 
senate before the vote, laying this all out.  And I remember having a sick 
feeling that exactly what he said the President promised not to do and warned 
him not to do, was nonetheless going to happen.  Whatever you think of John 
Kerry, this is a riveting speech.  I found a video of it online.  It’s 50 
minutes long, if you can’t spend that much time, skip to around 33:00.  

 

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4398929/sen-kerry-iraq-war-authorization-speech-9oct02

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 11:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?

 

 

I remind youcongress had to vote on that. 

 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 

- Reply message -
From: "Jaime Solorza"  >
To: "Animal Farm"  >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 10:50 PM

 

Well Bush decision to invade Iraq did affect my family.. My son who proudly 
served in Iraq came back injured physically and mentally.  He is still under 
medical care .   We should have gone after Taliban in Afghanistan and wiped 
them out along with poppie fields.   Hussein was a dictator I know but our 
reason to invade was based on weapons of mass destruction which didn't exist.   
We messed up the status quo, left and gave ISIS an opening... If you study 
history of region it has shown no outside nation has ever been able to conquer 
area for very long..  These folks have been at war since forever and we got 
caught up in it.  When you travel on plane you are affected... Large public 
events are different now because threat of terrorism exists.   So we are all 
affected some way.The times, they are a changin

 

On Oct 16, 2016 9:21 PM, "Bruce Robertson"  > wrote:

Exactly right.  Who is president has some effect, but not game changing.  Most 
people in the country are middle of the road, and the progress of the country 
reflects that.  The pendulum swings back and forth, but always reverts to the 
mean.

On 10/16/16 8:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Congress makes and changes law.  Supreme Court makes a few important decisions. 
 Regulators are who really run the country.

 

Does it really matter who the president is?

What did Obama do?  Encouraged the ACA.  Dropped the ball in Syria.  But  how 
did he affect me, my degree of wealth, my amount of spare time?

 

Ditto Bush.  They affect foreign policy.  They have the ability to really mess 
up other people’s lives in other countries, but do they really have much effect 
on me?  

 

Granted, altering  the make up of the Supreme Court changes things like can I 
choose to marry a dude or do I have to sell wedding cakes to gays.  But that 
really does not touch me.  My granddaughter having to cope with dudes in the 
bathroom at school hits a bit closer to home, but I trust congress will 
eventually settle on something a bit more common sense.  

 

I guess I am trying to convince myself that a president really doesn’t do much 
here at home.  Congress does.  The court does.  Bureaucracies do.  

 

Now, if the president could get a whole truckload of cheese delivered to the 
Whitehouse and give it out to anyone that drops in for a visit, then we are 
talking about a real impact...

 

http://history1800s.about.com/od/19th-Century-Presidents/fl/Andrew-Jacksons-Big-Block-of-Cheese.htm

 

!DSPAM:2,580442b817511656011445!

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

An even better tv series.

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From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his 
rallies
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 11:03 PM

That'd be an interesting read.
Josh Luthman

Office: 937-552-2340

Direct: 937-552-2343

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Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 16, 2016 11:57 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:I wrote 
a lengthy paper in college about "What if there was a civil war in the US?
The entire west coast and the north east end up having the best / largest 
ports, the majority of modern goods and services, and the best academic 
institutions. The south and midwest have production capability and agriculture, 
but its limited to the levels of the 40s and 50s without support from the major 
ports and international treaties. Alaska ends up breaking away to become its 
own country, but possibly a Canadian territory due to supply lanes, oil, and 
the large fishing industry - this allows it to trade with its only 
land-connected partner.
Texas breaks away and tries to do its own thing for awhile. Likely builds a 
(larger) wall between it and Mexico. After a few years it realizes it no longer 
has the manpower to fuel its agricultural and essential services needs and 
reopens trade and borders with Mexico but from a much weaker position.
Ports on the mideast and southeast and the gulf can't handle the size of ships 
the south and midwest really need for low cost goods, and much of the shipping 
logistics end up taking much, much longer.
There's more and its quite complicated from several angles, I was just doing 
the best I could in the time allowed. Ended up with an A+, so it had to be at 
least somewhat decent/factual.
Basically, it ends up being a giant cluster fuck. More "Baltic states / E/W 
Germany" than "Modern Europe".

On Oct 16, 2016 10:37 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:Most of us are only a relatively few generations down from someone that 
had the guts to leave their home country and come here to create a new life.

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

Drive and available cash flow are very much unrelated. We are an enigma. We 
have a huge prcentage of driven, breeding with driven, over a couple centuries, 
why do you think we drive innovation above most nations, all nations on a mean. 
The facts on the slave elements mentioned are we bred physical traits from the 
success negative element fom them. That statement sounds like something from a 
white supremacist garbage can. But sometimes truths sit in garbage cans.

On Oct 16, 2016 9:55 PM, "Lewis Bergman" > wrote:

    Hmmm. I think history would prove that attitude and drive is not

    genetic. Or at least the fact that the riches of a family seldom

    stay in the family past a couple generations would lead one to

    believe that genetics has little to do with success. That is an

    interesting position. Genetically diverse yes, predisposed to

    drive, success, or any other positive trait, I don't think so. It

    seems to me that the evidence points to nurture over nature in

    this regard.

    On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:48 PM That One Guy /sarcasm

    > wrote:

        The absolute most common trait in success is drive. Driven

        people flocked to the us, my grandfather walked across Germany

        to get to a boat to come here. That's not uncommon among

        immigrants, even the current ones from South of the border and

        South of the borders border that have walked here.

        We took Africa and Irelands people @nd bred the best stock

        over and over. The US is in fact genetically superior to the

        rest of the planet because we have the rest 9f the planets

        best genes.

        Our nutjobs, even they are superior genetically.. Fuck balls

        On Oct 16, 2016 9:35 PM, "Lewis Bergman"

        > wrote:

            With all our problems. All our faults. Even all our

            inflated egos. We give more pet capita than any other to

            other countries. Not the government's gifts, private

            donations. People still come here from all over for a

            chance to be rewarded for their hard work like no other

            country will allow them to be rewarded.

            Racist? Sure. Bigoted? Many. But I thrill to watch the US

            in the Olympics as it is one of few countries you cannot

            determine by race.

            Will the rest of the world be worse off when we fall? By

            that time, probably not. We have already outlived most

            government's and are a bit long in the tooth. Sure, others

            have

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Tropical Anal Mist good night folks... May God bless us all...

On Oct 16, 2016 10:24 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> I suppose it depends on which side of your ancestry you identify with.
>
> Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
>>
>> And some of us were here first and got conquered, exterminated, fucked...
>> Had our land taken, women raped and children murdered.Many of us lost
>> our culture and had to assimilate to survive... Very different from my
>> ancestors perspective... On a side note... Look up the meaning of the Dine
>> ' (Navajo)  word for white folks... Like I said before America is
>> changing... My kids and grandkids have roots in three different worlds
>> now...
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 9:55 PM, "Jay Weekley" > > wrote:
>>
>> Most of us are only a relatively few generations down from someone
>> that had the guts to leave their home country and come here to
>> create a new life.
>>
>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>>
>> Drive and available cash flow are very much unrelated. We are
>> an enigma. We have a huge prcentage of driven, breeding with
>> driven, over a couple centuries, why do you think we drive
>> innovation above most nations, all nations on a mean. The
>> facts on the slave elements mentioned are we bred physical
>> traits from the success negative element fom them. That
>> statement sounds like something from a white supremacist
>> garbage can. But sometimes truths sit in garbage cans.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 9:55 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
>> 
>> > >> wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm. I think history would prove that attitude and drive
>> is not
>> genetic. Or at least the fact that the riches of a family
>> seldom
>> stay in the family past a couple generations would lead one to
>> believe that genetics has little to do with success. That
>> is an
>> interesting position. Genetically diverse yes, predisposed to
>> drive, success, or any other positive trait, I don't think
>> so. It
>> seems to me that the evidence points to nurture over nature in
>> this regard.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:48 PM That One Guy /sarcasm
>> > 
>> > >> wrote:
>>
>> The absolute most common trait in success is drive. Driven
>> people flocked to the us, my grandfather walked across
>> Germany
>> to get to a boat to come here. That's not uncommon among
>> immigrants, even the current ones from South of the
>> border and
>> South of the borders border that have walked here.
>> We took Africa and Irelands people @nd bred the best stock
>> over and over. The US is in fact genetically superior
>> to the
>> rest of the planet because we have the rest 9f the planets
>> best genes.
>> Our nutjobs, even they are superior genetically. Fuck
>> balls
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 9:35 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
>> > 
>> > >> wrote:
>>
>> With all our problems. All our faults. Even all our
>> inflated egos. We give more pet capita than any
>> other to
>> other countries. Not the government's gifts, private
>> donations. People still come here from all over for a
>> chance to be rewarded for their hard work like no
>> other
>> country will allow them to be rewarded.
>>
>> Racist? Sure. Bigoted? Many. But I thrill to watch
>> the US
>> in the Olympics as it is one of few countries you
>> cannot
>> determine by race.
>>
>> Will the rest of the world be worse off when we
>> fall? By
>> that time, probably not. We have already outlived most
>> government's and are a bit long in the tooth.
>> Sure, others
>> have long histories and the same names but not the
>> same
>> government's.
>>
>> I am proud to enjoy it while it lasts knowing
>> nothing ever
>> stays the same and that no matter what I

Re: [AFMUG] how to terminate cheap LC

2016-10-16 Thread TJ Trout

http://www.fs.com/products/11851.html

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:27 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Jason:
> Why? Because I don't want to buy a fusion splicer for one termination...
>
> Josh;
> Saw those, just curuios to know how the cheapies work, 99% they are epoxy
>
> Chuck;
> You would be talking about "quick" or "field" connectors that are 5-10$ ea
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 8:55 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ends are irrelivant. What's it cost in manpower alone to do it and fix
>> that cheap shit, get big, pay a manager to deal with it. Or buy a cost
>> effective  splicer from the get go and quilt F-ing with it. I'm at a point
>> now with anything fiber related all I will do with the company is what the
>> boss says, outside of that I deal with my partner. I won't grow the fiber
>> side period.
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 10:19 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> No epoxy.  No polishing.  They already have a very short piece of
>>> cleaved fiber in them and it is already epoxied into the business end and
>>> polished.
>>>
>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 8:16 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] how to terminate cheap LC
>>>
>>> I see these cheap 50 cent LC and SC connectors on FS.com, how do you
>>> terminate them? could someone link a video?
>>>
>>> I'm assuming epoxy and polishing with a crimp?
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] how to terminate cheap LC

2016-10-16 Thread TJ Trout

Jason:
Why? Because I don't want to buy a fusion splicer for one termination...

Josh;
Saw those, just curuios to know how the cheapies work, 99% they are epoxy

Chuck;
You would be talking about "quick" or "field" connectors that are 5-10$ ea


On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 8:55 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ends are irrelivant. What's it cost in manpower alone to do it and fix
> that cheap shit, get big, pay a manager to deal with it. Or buy a cost
> effective  splicer from the get go and quilt F-ing with it. I'm at a point
> now with anything fiber related all I will do with the company is what the
> boss says, outside of that I deal with my partner. I won't grow the fiber
> side period.
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 10:19 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> No epoxy.  No polishing.  They already have a very short piece of cleaved
>> fiber in them and it is already epoxied into the business end and
>> polished.
>>
>> *From:* TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 8:16 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] how to terminate cheap LC
>>
>> I see these cheap 50 cent LC and SC connectors on FS.com, how do you
>> terminate them? could someone link a video?
>>
>> I'm assuming epoxy and polishing with a crimp?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

I suppose it depends on which side of your ancestry you identify with.

Jaime Solorza wrote:

And some of us were here first and got conquered, exterminated, 
fucked... Had our land taken, women raped and children murdered.
Many of us lost our culture and had to assimilate to survive... Very 
different from my ancestors perspective... On a side note... Look up 
the meaning of the Dine ' (Navajo)  word for white folks... Like I 
said before America is changing... My kids and grandkids have roots in 
three different worlds now...

On Oct 16, 2016 9:55 PM, "Jay Weekley" > wrote:

Most of us are only a relatively few generations down from someone
that had the guts to leave their home country and come here to
create a new life.

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

Drive and available cash flow are very much unrelated. We are
an enigma. We have a huge prcentage of driven, breeding with
driven, over a couple centuries, why do you think we drive
innovation above most nations, all nations on a mean. The
facts on the slave elements mentioned are we bred physical
traits from the success negative element fom them. That
statement sounds like something from a white supremacist
garbage can. But sometimes truths sit in garbage cans.

On Oct 16, 2016 9:55 PM, "Lewis Bergman"

>> wrote:

Hmmm. I think history would prove that attitude and drive
is not
genetic. Or at least the fact that the riches of a family
seldom
stay in the family past a couple generations would lead one to
believe that genetics has little to do with success. That
is an
interesting position. Genetically diverse yes, predisposed to
drive, success, or any other positive trait, I don't think
so. It
seems to me that the evidence points to nurture over nature in
this regard.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:48 PM That One Guy /sarcasm

>> wrote:

The absolute most common trait in success is drive. Driven
people flocked to the us, my grandfather walked across
Germany
to get to a boat to come here. That's not uncommon among
immigrants, even the current ones from South of the
border and
South of the borders border that have walked here.
We took Africa and Irelands people @nd bred the best stock
over and over. The US is in fact genetically superior
to the
rest of the planet because we have the rest 9f the planets
best genes.
Our nutjobs, even they are superior genetically. Fuck
balls

On Oct 16, 2016 9:35 PM, "Lewis Bergman"

>> wrote:

With all our problems. All our faults. Even all our
inflated egos. We give more pet capita than any
other to
other countries. Not the government's gifts, private
donations. People still come here from all over for a
chance to be rewarded for their hard work like no
other
country will allow them to be rewarded.

Racist? Sure. Bigoted? Many. But I thrill to watch
the US
in the Olympics as it is one of few countries you
cannot
determine by race.

Will the rest of the world be worse off when we
fall? By
that time, probably not. We have already outlived most
government's and are a bit long in the tooth.
Sure, others
have long histories and the same names but not the
same
government's.

I am proud to enjoy it while it lasts knowing
nothing ever
stays the same and that no matter what I want or
do I have
no control over it. My grandchildren, if I am so
lucky,
will have a completely different America to live
in than I
did from my grandparents. Most of that is likely
to be an
improvement.

In a republic we have few to blame but ourselves.
We all
deserve

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Yep. And we inherited those traits to a degree.

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

...driven individuals, even if it meant a step above owned

On Oct 16, 2016 10:55 PM, "Jay Weekley" > wrote:

Most of us are only a relatively few generations down from someone
that had the guts to leave their home country and come here to
create a new life.

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

Drive and available cash flow are very much unrelated. We are
an enigma. We have a huge prcentage of driven, breeding with
driven, over a couple centuries, why do you think we drive
innovation above most nations, all nations on a mean. The
facts on the slave elements mentioned are we bred physical
traits from the success negative element fom them. That
statement sounds like something from a white supremacist
garbage can. But sometimes truths sit in garbage cans.

On Oct 16, 2016 9:55 PM, "Lewis Bergman"

>> wrote:

Hmmm. I think history would prove that attitude and drive
is not
genetic. Or at least the fact that the riches of a family
seldom
stay in the family past a couple generations would lead one to
believe that genetics has little to do with success. That
is an
interesting position. Genetically diverse yes, predisposed to
drive, success, or any other positive trait, I don't think
so. It
seems to me that the evidence points to nurture over nature in
this regard.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:48 PM That One Guy /sarcasm

>> wrote:

The absolute most common trait in success is drive. Driven
people flocked to the us, my grandfather walked across
Germany
to get to a boat to come here. That's not uncommon among
immigrants, even the current ones from South of the
border and
South of the borders border that have walked here.
We took Africa and Irelands people @nd bred the best stock
over and over. The US is in fact genetically superior
to the
rest of the planet because we have the rest 9f the planets
best genes.
Our nutjobs, even they are superior genetically. Fuck
balls

On Oct 16, 2016 9:35 PM, "Lewis Bergman"

>> wrote:

With all our problems. All our faults. Even all our
inflated egos. We give more pet capita than any
other to
other countries. Not the government's gifts, private
donations. People still come here from all over for a
chance to be rewarded for their hard work like no
other
country will allow them to be rewarded.

Racist? Sure. Bigoted? Many. But I thrill to watch
the US
in the Olympics as it is one of few countries you
cannot
determine by race.

Will the rest of the world be worse off when we
fall? By
that time, probably not. We have already outlived most
government's and are a bit long in the tooth.
Sure, others
have long histories and the same names but not the
same
government's.

I am proud to enjoy it while it lasts knowing
nothing ever
stays the same and that no matter what I want or
do I have
no control over it. My grandchildren, if I am so
lucky,
will have a completely different America to live
in than I
did from my grandparents. Most of that is likely
to be an
improvement.

In a republic we have few to blame but ourselves.
We all
deserve the government we allow to rule over us.
Enjoy the
ride my friends. It ends the same for us all.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 8:36 PM Jaime Solorza

>> wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Always look 1k years in the future for opinions, how will they sustain?

On Oct 16, 2016 11:13 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> And some of us were here first and got conquered, exterminated, fucked...
> Had our land taken, women raped and children murdered.Many of us lost
> our culture and had to assimilate to survive... Very different from my
> ancestors perspective... On a side note... Look up the meaning of the Dine
> ' (Navajo)  word for white folks... Like I said before America is
> changing... My kids and grandkids have roots in three different worlds
> now...
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 9:55 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:
>
>> Most of us are only a relatively few generations down from someone that
>> had the guts to leave their home country and come here to create a new life.
>>
>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Drive and available cash flow are very much unrelated. We are an enigma.
>>> We have a huge prcentage of driven, breeding with driven, over a couple
>>> centuries, why do you think we drive innovation above most nations, all
>>> nations on a mean. The facts on the slave elements mentioned are we bred
>>> physical traits from the success negative element fom them. That statement
>>> sounds like something from a white supremacist garbage can. But sometimes
>>> truths sit in garbage cans.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2016 9:55 PM, "Lewis Bergman" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmmm. I think history would prove that attitude and drive is not
>>> genetic. Or at least the fact that the riches of a family seldom
>>> stay in the family past a couple generations would lead one to
>>> believe that genetics has little to do with success. That is an
>>> interesting position. Genetically diverse yes, predisposed to
>>> drive, success, or any other positive trait, I don't think so. It
>>> seems to me that the evidence points to nurture over nature in
>>> this regard.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:48 PM That One Guy /sarcasm
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The absolute most common trait in success is drive. Driven
>>> people flocked to the us, my grandfather walked across Germany
>>> to get to a boat to come here. That's not uncommon among
>>> immigrants, even the current ones from South of the border and
>>> South of the borders border that have walked here.
>>> We took Africa and Irelands people @nd bred the best stock
>>> over and over. The US is in fact genetically superior to the
>>> rest of the planet because we have the rest 9f the planets
>>> best genes.
>>> Our nutjobs, even they are superior genetically. Fuck balls
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2016 9:35 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> With all our problems. All our faults. Even all our
>>> inflated egos. We give more pet capita than any other to
>>> other countries. Not the government's gifts, private
>>> donations. People still come here from all over for a
>>> chance to be rewarded for their hard work like no other
>>> country will allow them to be rewarded.
>>>
>>> Racist? Sure. Bigoted? Many. But I thrill to watch the US
>>> in the Olympics as it is one of few countries you cannot
>>> determine by race.
>>>
>>> Will the rest of the world be worse off when we fall? By
>>> that time, probably not. We have already outlived most
>>> government's and are a bit long in the tooth. Sure, others
>>> have long histories and the same names but not the same
>>> government's.
>>>
>>> I am proud to enjoy it while it lasts knowing nothing ever
>>> stays the same and that no matter what I want or do I have
>>> no control over it. My grandchildren, if I am so lucky,
>>> will have a completely different America to live in than I
>>> did from my grandparents. Most of that is likely to be an
>>> improvement.
>>>
>>> In a republic we have few to blame but ourselves. We all
>>> deserve the government we allow to rule over us. Enjoy the
>>> ride my friends. It ends the same for us all.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 8:36 PM Jaime Solorza
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Even Pence is cautiously distancing himself from the
>>> rigged vote paranoia..  The Republicans really  tried
>>> to change voter ID laws in different states.   They
>>> failed..  I know folks who had to take literacy tests
>>>

[AFMUG] Ot but common

Can we all still be friends after this shitshow? Pleeeaase? Even if we
can't be friends will you folks at least still offset my incompetence?

Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?

Yes I am aware of that... Not a lackey to anyone

On Oct 16, 2016 10:07 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

I remind youcongress had to vote on that.

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 10:50 PM

Well Bush decision to invade Iraq did affect my family.. My son who proudly
served in Iraq came back injured physically and mentally.  He is still
under medical care .   We should have gone after Taliban in Afghanistan and
wiped them out along with poppie fields.   Hussein was a dictator I know
but our reason to invade was based on weapons of mass destruction which
didn't exist.   We messed up the status quo, left and gave ISIS an
opening... If you study history of region it has shown no outside nation
has ever been able to conquer area for very long..  These folks have been
at war since forever and we got caught up in it.  When you travel on plane
you are affected... Large public events are different now because threat of
terrorism exists.   So we are all affected some way.The times, they are
a changin

On Oct 16, 2016 9:21 PM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:

> Exactly right.  Who is president has some effect, but not game changing.
> Most people in the country are middle of the road, and the progress of the
> country reflects that.  The pendulum swings back and forth, but always
> reverts to the mean.
>
> On 10/16/16 8:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Congress makes and changes law.  Supreme Court makes a few important
> decisions.  Regulators are who really run the country.
>
> Does it really matter who the president is?
> What did Obama do?  Encouraged the ACA.  Dropped the ball in Syria.  But
> how did he affect me, my degree of wealth, my amount of spare time?
>
> Ditto Bush.  They affect foreign policy.  They have the ability to really
> mess up other people’s lives in other countries, but do they really have
> much effect on me?
>
> Granted, altering  the make up of the Supreme Court changes things like
> can I choose to marry a dude or do I have to sell wedding cakes to gays.
> But that really does not touch me.  My granddaughter having to cope with
> dudes in the bathroom at school hits a bit closer to home, but I trust
> congress will eventually settle on something a bit more common sense.
>
> I guess I am trying to convince myself that a president really doesn’t do
> much here at home.  Congress does.  The court does.  Bureaucracies do.
>
> Now, if the president could get a whole truckload of cheese delivered to
> the Whitehouse and give it out to anyone that drops in for a visit, then we
> are talking about a real impact...
>
> http://history1800s.about.com/od/19th-Century-Presidents/fl/
> Andrew-Jacksons-Big-Block-of-Cheese.htm
>
> !DSPAM:2,580442b817511656011445!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

And some of us were here first and got conquered, exterminated, fucked...
Had our land taken, women raped and children murdered.Many of us lost
our culture and had to assimilate to survive... Very different from my
ancestors perspective... On a side note... Look up the meaning of the Dine
' (Navajo)  word for white folks... Like I said before America is
changing... My kids and grandkids have roots in three different worlds
now...

On Oct 16, 2016 9:55 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> Most of us are only a relatively few generations down from someone that
> had the guts to leave their home country and come here to create a new life.
>
> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
>>
>> Drive and available cash flow are very much unrelated. We are an enigma.
>> We have a huge prcentage of driven, breeding with driven, over a couple
>> centuries, why do you think we drive innovation above most nations, all
>> nations on a mean. The facts on the slave elements mentioned are we bred
>> physical traits from the success negative element fom them. That statement
>> sounds like something from a white supremacist garbage can. But sometimes
>> truths sit in garbage cans.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 9:55 PM, "Lewis Bergman" > > wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm. I think history would prove that attitude and drive is not
>> genetic. Or at least the fact that the riches of a family seldom
>> stay in the family past a couple generations would lead one to
>> believe that genetics has little to do with success. That is an
>> interesting position. Genetically diverse yes, predisposed to
>> drive, success, or any other positive trait, I don't think so. It
>> seems to me that the evidence points to nurture over nature in
>> this regard.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:48 PM That One Guy /sarcasm
>> > wrote:
>>
>> The absolute most common trait in success is drive. Driven
>> people flocked to the us, my grandfather walked across Germany
>> to get to a boat to come here. That's not uncommon among
>> immigrants, even the current ones from South of the border and
>> South of the borders border that have walked here.
>> We took Africa and Irelands people @nd bred the best stock
>> over and over. The US is in fact genetically superior to the
>> rest of the planet because we have the rest 9f the planets
>> best genes.
>> Our nutjobs, even they are superior genetically. Fuck balls
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 9:35 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> With all our problems. All our faults. Even all our
>> inflated egos. We give more pet capita than any other to
>> other countries. Not the government's gifts, private
>> donations. People still come here from all over for a
>> chance to be rewarded for their hard work like no other
>> country will allow them to be rewarded.
>>
>> Racist? Sure. Bigoted? Many. But I thrill to watch the US
>> in the Olympics as it is one of few countries you cannot
>> determine by race.
>>
>> Will the rest of the world be worse off when we fall? By
>> that time, probably not. We have already outlived most
>> government's and are a bit long in the tooth. Sure, others
>> have long histories and the same names but not the same
>> government's.
>>
>> I am proud to enjoy it while it lasts knowing nothing ever
>> stays the same and that no matter what I want or do I have
>> no control over it. My grandchildren, if I am so lucky,
>> will have a completely different America to live in than I
>> did from my grandparents. Most of that is likely to be an
>> improvement.
>>
>> In a republic we have few to blame but ourselves. We all
>> deserve the government we allow to rule over us. Enjoy the
>> ride my friends. It ends the same for us all.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 8:36 PM Jaime Solorza
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> Even Pence is cautiously distancing himself from the
>> rigged vote paranoia..  The Republicans really  tried
>> to change voter ID laws in different states.   They
>> failed..  I know folks who had to take literacy tests
>> in order to vote back in 60s.  We will not go back to
>> that..  Ever.. America has changed... Too many
>> educated folks know better than to allow narrow minded
>> bigots to take over our system.

Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?

I remind youcongress had to vote on that. 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 10:50 PM

Well Bush decision to invade Iraq did affect my family.. My son who proudly 
served in Iraq came back injured physically and mentally.  He is still under 
medical care .   We should have gone after Taliban in Afghanistan and wiped 
them out along with poppie fields.   Hussein was a dictator I know but our 
reason to invade was based on weapons of mass destruction which didn't exist.   
We messed up the status quo, left and gave ISIS an opening... If you study 
history of region it has shown no outside nation has ever been able to conquer 
area for very long..  These folks have been at war since forever and we got 
caught up in it.  When you travel on plane you are affected... Large public 
events are different now because threat of terrorism exists.   So we are all 
affected some way.    The times, they are a changin

On Oct 16, 2016 9:21 PM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:

Exactly right.  Who is president has some effect, but not game
changing.  Most people in the country are middle of the road, and
the progress of the country reflects that.  The pendulum swings back
and forth, but always reverts to the mean.

On 10/16/16 8:17 PM, Chuck McCown
wrote:

Congress makes and changes law.  Supreme Court makes a
few important decisions.  Regulators are who really run the
country.

Does it really matter who the president is?

What did Obama do?  Encouraged the ACA.  Dropped the ball
in Syria.  But  how did he affect me, my degree of wealth,
my amount of spare time?

Ditto Bush.  They affect foreign policy.  They have the
ability to really mess up other people’s lives in other
countries, but do they really have much effect on me?  

Granted, altering  the make up of the Supreme Court
changes things like can I choose to marry a dude or do I
have to sell wedding cakes to gays.  But that really does
not touch me.  My granddaughter having to cope with dudes in
the bathroom at school hits a bit closer to home, but I
trust congress will eventually settle on something a bit
more common sense.  

I guess I am trying to convince myself that a president
really doesn’t do much here at home.  Congress does.  The
court does.  Bureaucracies do.  

Now, if the president could get a whole truckload of
cheese delivered to the Whitehouse and give it out to anyone
that drops in for a visit, then we are talking about a real
impact...

http://history1800s.about.com/od/19th-Century-Presidents/fl/Andrew-Jacksons-Big-Block-of-Cheese.htm

!DSPAM:2,580442b817511656011445!

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

2016-10-16 Thread Josh Luthman

That'd be an interesting read.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 16, 2016 11:57 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> I wrote a lengthy paper in college about "What if there was a civil war in
> the US?
>
> The entire west coast and the north east end up having the best / largest
> ports, the majority of modern goods and services, and the best academic
> institutions. The south and midwest have production capability and
> agriculture, but its limited to the levels of the 40s and 50s without
> support from the major ports and international treaties. Alaska ends up
> breaking away to become its own country, but possibly a Canadian territory
> due to supply lanes, oil, and the large fishing industry - this allows it
> to trade with its only land-connected partner.
>
> Texas breaks away and tries to do its own thing for awhile. Likely builds
> a (larger) wall between it and Mexico. After a few years it realizes it no
> longer has the manpower to fuel its agricultural and essential services
> needs and reopens trade and borders with Mexico but from a much weaker
> position.
>
> Ports on the mideast and southeast and the gulf can't handle the size of
> ships the south and midwest really need for low cost goods, and much of the
> shipping logistics end up taking much, much longer.
>
> There's more and its quite complicated from several angles, I was just
> doing the best I could in the time allowed. Ended up with an A+, so it had
> to be at least somewhat decent/factual.
>
> Basically, it ends up being a giant cluster fuck. More "Baltic states /
> E/W Germany" than "Modern Europe".
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 10:37 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Most of us are only a relatively few generations down from someone that
>> had the guts to leave their home country and come here to create a new life.
>>
>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Drive and available cash flow are very much unrelated. We are an enigma.
>>> We have a huge prcentage of driven, breeding with driven, over a couple
>>> centuries, why do you think we drive innovation above most nations, all
>>> nations on a mean. The facts on the slave elements mentioned are we bred
>>> physical traits from the success negative element fom them. That statement
>>> sounds like something from a white supremacist garbage can. But sometimes
>>> truths sit in garbage cans.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2016 9:55 PM, "Lewis Bergman" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmmm. I think history would prove that attitude and drive is not
>>> genetic. Or at least the fact that the riches of a family seldom
>>> stay in the family past a couple generations would lead one to
>>> believe that genetics has little to do with success. That is an
>>> interesting position. Genetically diverse yes, predisposed to
>>> drive, success, or any other positive trait, I don't think so. It
>>> seems to me that the evidence points to nurture over nature in
>>> this regard.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:48 PM That One Guy /sarcasm
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The absolute most common trait in success is drive. Driven
>>> people flocked to the us, my grandfather walked across Germany
>>> to get to a boat to come here. That's not uncommon among
>>> immigrants, even the current ones from South of the border and
>>> South of the borders border that have walked here.
>>> We took Africa and Irelands people @nd bred the best stock
>>> over and over. The US is in fact genetically superior to the
>>> rest of the planet because we have the rest 9f the planets
>>> best genes.
>>> Our nutjobs, even they are superior genetically. Fuck balls
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2016 9:35 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> With all our problems. All our faults. Even all our
>>> inflated egos. We give more pet capita than any other to
>>> other countries. Not the government's gifts, private
>>> donations. People still come here from all over for a
>>> chance to be rewarded for their hard work like no other
>>> country will allow them to be rewarded.
>>>
>>> Racist? Sure. Bigoted? Many. But I thrill to watch the US
>>> in the Olympics as it is one of few countries you cannot
>>> determine by race.
>>>
>>> Will the rest of the world be worse off when we fall? By
>>> that time, probably not. We have already outlived most
>>> government's and are a bit long in the tooth. Sure, others
>>> have long histories and the same names but not the same
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

...driven individuals, even if it meant a step above owned

On Oct 16, 2016 10:55 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> Most of us are only a relatively few generations down from someone that
> had the guts to leave their home country and come here to create a new life.
>
> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
>>
>> Drive and available cash flow are very much unrelated. We are an enigma.
>> We have a huge prcentage of driven, breeding with driven, over a couple
>> centuries, why do you think we drive innovation above most nations, all
>> nations on a mean. The facts on the slave elements mentioned are we bred
>> physical traits from the success negative element fom them. That statement
>> sounds like something from a white supremacist garbage can. But sometimes
>> truths sit in garbage cans.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 9:55 PM, "Lewis Bergman" > > wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm. I think history would prove that attitude and drive is not
>> genetic. Or at least the fact that the riches of a family seldom
>> stay in the family past a couple generations would lead one to
>> believe that genetics has little to do with success. That is an
>> interesting position. Genetically diverse yes, predisposed to
>> drive, success, or any other positive trait, I don't think so. It
>> seems to me that the evidence points to nurture over nature in
>> this regard.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:48 PM That One Guy /sarcasm
>> > wrote:
>>
>> The absolute most common trait in success is drive. Driven
>> people flocked to the us, my grandfather walked across Germany
>> to get to a boat to come here. That's not uncommon among
>> immigrants, even the current ones from South of the border and
>> South of the borders border that have walked here.
>> We took Africa and Irelands people @nd bred the best stock
>> over and over. The US is in fact genetically superior to the
>> rest of the planet because we have the rest 9f the planets
>> best genes.
>> Our nutjobs, even they are superior genetically. Fuck balls
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 9:35 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> With all our problems. All our faults. Even all our
>> inflated egos. We give more pet capita than any other to
>> other countries. Not the government's gifts, private
>> donations. People still come here from all over for a
>> chance to be rewarded for their hard work like no other
>> country will allow them to be rewarded.
>>
>> Racist? Sure. Bigoted? Many. But I thrill to watch the US
>> in the Olympics as it is one of few countries you cannot
>> determine by race.
>>
>> Will the rest of the world be worse off when we fall? By
>> that time, probably not. We have already outlived most
>> government's and are a bit long in the tooth. Sure, others
>> have long histories and the same names but not the same
>> government's.
>>
>> I am proud to enjoy it while it lasts knowing nothing ever
>> stays the same and that no matter what I want or do I have
>> no control over it. My grandchildren, if I am so lucky,
>> will have a completely different America to live in than I
>> did from my grandparents. Most of that is likely to be an
>> improvement.
>>
>> In a republic we have few to blame but ourselves. We all
>> deserve the government we allow to rule over us. Enjoy the
>> ride my friends. It ends the same for us all.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 8:36 PM Jaime Solorza
>> > > wrote:
>>
>> Even Pence is cautiously distancing himself from the
>> rigged vote paranoia..  The Republicans really  tried
>> to change voter ID laws in different states.   They
>> failed..  I know folks who had to take literacy tests
>> in order to vote back in 60s.  We will not go back to
>> that..  Ever.. America has changed... Too many
>> educated folks know better than to allow narrow minded
>> bigots to take over our system.   Some groups are
>> planning violence as what happened with Kansas militia
>> against immigrants... Yeah right like most US born
>> folks would jump at chance to work in a chicken
>> processing factory.I told my far right friend that
>> the sleeping giant would be awaken.Voter
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

I wrote a lengthy paper in college about "What if there was a civil war in
the US?

The entire west coast and the north east end up having the best / largest
ports, the majority of modern goods and services, and the best academic
institutions. The south and midwest have production capability and
agriculture, but its limited to the levels of the 40s and 50s without
support from the major ports and international treaties. Alaska ends up
breaking away to become its own country, but possibly a Canadian territory
due to supply lanes, oil, and the large fishing industry - this allows it
to trade with its only land-connected partner.

Texas breaks away and tries to do its own thing for awhile. Likely builds a
(larger) wall between it and Mexico. After a few years it realizes it no
longer has the manpower to fuel its agricultural and essential services
needs and reopens trade and borders with Mexico but from a much weaker
position.

Ports on the mideast and southeast and the gulf can't handle the size of
ships the south and midwest really need for low cost goods, and much of the
shipping logistics end up taking much, much longer.

There's more and its quite complicated from several angles, I was just
doing the best I could in the time allowed. Ended up with an A+, so it had
to be at least somewhat decent/factual.

Basically, it ends up being a giant cluster fuck. More "Baltic states / E/W
Germany" than "Modern Europe".

On Oct 16, 2016 10:37 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> Most of us are only a relatively few generations down from someone that
> had the guts to leave their home country and come here to create a new life.
>
> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
>>
>> Drive and available cash flow are very much unrelated. We are an enigma.
>> We have a huge prcentage of driven, breeding with driven, over a couple
>> centuries, why do you think we drive innovation above most nations, all
>> nations on a mean. The facts on the slave elements mentioned are we bred
>> physical traits from the success negative element fom them. That statement
>> sounds like something from a white supremacist garbage can. But sometimes
>> truths sit in garbage cans.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 9:55 PM, "Lewis Bergman" > > wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm. I think history would prove that attitude and drive is not
>> genetic. Or at least the fact that the riches of a family seldom
>> stay in the family past a couple generations would lead one to
>> believe that genetics has little to do with success. That is an
>> interesting position. Genetically diverse yes, predisposed to
>> drive, success, or any other positive trait, I don't think so. It
>> seems to me that the evidence points to nurture over nature in
>> this regard.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:48 PM That One Guy /sarcasm
>> > wrote:
>>
>> The absolute most common trait in success is drive. Driven
>> people flocked to the us, my grandfather walked across Germany
>> to get to a boat to come here. That's not uncommon among
>> immigrants, even the current ones from South of the border and
>> South of the borders border that have walked here.
>> We took Africa and Irelands people @nd bred the best stock
>> over and over. The US is in fact genetically superior to the
>> rest of the planet because we have the rest 9f the planets
>> best genes.
>> Our nutjobs, even they are superior genetically. Fuck balls
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 9:35 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> With all our problems. All our faults. Even all our
>> inflated egos. We give more pet capita than any other to
>> other countries. Not the government's gifts, private
>> donations. People still come here from all over for a
>> chance to be rewarded for their hard work like no other
>> country will allow them to be rewarded.
>>
>> Racist? Sure. Bigoted? Many. But I thrill to watch the US
>> in the Olympics as it is one of few countries you cannot
>> determine by race.
>>
>> Will the rest of the world be worse off when we fall? By
>> that time, probably not. We have already outlived most
>> government's and are a bit long in the tooth. Sure, others
>> have long histories and the same names but not the same
>> government's.
>>
>> I am proud to enjoy it while it lasts knowing nothing ever
>> stays the same and that no matter what I want or do I have
>> no control over it. My grandchildren, if I am so lucky,
>> will have a completely different America to live in than I
>> did from

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Most of us are only a relatively few generations down from someone that 
had the guts to leave their home country and come here to create a new 
life.

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

Drive and available cash flow are very much unrelated. We are an 
enigma. We have a huge prcentage of driven, breeding with driven, over 
a couple centuries, why do you think we drive innovation above most 
nations, all nations on a mean. The facts on the slave elements 
mentioned are we bred physical traits from the success negative 
element fom them. That statement sounds like something from a white 
supremacist garbage can. But sometimes truths sit in garbage cans.

On Oct 16, 2016 9:55 PM, "Lewis Bergman" > wrote:

Hmmm. I think history would prove that attitude and drive is not
genetic. Or at least the fact that the riches of a family seldom
stay in the family past a couple generations would lead one to
believe that genetics has little to do with success. That is an
interesting position. Genetically diverse yes, predisposed to
drive, success, or any other positive trait, I don't think so. It
seems to me that the evidence points to nurture over nature in
this regard.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:48 PM That One Guy /sarcasm
> wrote:

The absolute most common trait in success is drive. Driven
people flocked to the us, my grandfather walked across Germany
to get to a boat to come here. That's not uncommon among
immigrants, even the current ones from South of the border and
South of the borders border that have walked here.
We took Africa and Irelands people @nd bred the best stock
over and over. The US is in fact genetically superior to the
rest of the planet because we have the rest 9f the planets
best genes.
Our nutjobs, even they are superior genetically. Fuck balls

On Oct 16, 2016 9:35 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
> wrote:

With all our problems. All our faults. Even all our
inflated egos. We give more pet capita than any other to
other countries. Not the government's gifts, private
donations. People still come here from all over for a
chance to be rewarded for their hard work like no other
country will allow them to be rewarded.

Racist? Sure. Bigoted? Many. But I thrill to watch the US
in the Olympics as it is one of few countries you cannot
determine by race.

Will the rest of the world be worse off when we fall? By
that time, probably not. We have already outlived most
government's and are a bit long in the tooth. Sure, others
have long histories and the same names but not the same
government's.

I am proud to enjoy it while it lasts knowing nothing ever
stays the same and that no matter what I want or do I have
no control over it. My grandchildren, if I am so lucky,
will have a completely different America to live in than I
did from my grandparents. Most of that is likely to be an
improvement.

In a republic we have few to blame but ourselves. We all
deserve the government we allow to rule over us. Enjoy the
ride my friends. It ends the same for us all.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 8:36 PM Jaime Solorza
> wrote:

Even Pence is cautiously distancing himself from the
rigged vote paranoia..  The Republicans really  tried
to change voter ID laws in different states.   They
failed..  I know folks who had to take literacy tests
in order to vote back in 60s.  We will not go back to
that..  Ever.. America has changed... Too many
educated folks know better than to allow narrow minded
bigots to take over our system.   Some groups are
planning violence as what happened with Kansas militia
against immigrants... Yeah right like most US born
folks would jump at chance to work in a chicken
processing factory.I told my far right friend that
the sleeping giant would be awaken.Voter
registration is super high in many minority
communities... November 8 will be here sooner than you
want

On Oct 16, 2016 7:15 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
> wrote:

Yep Paul..  I agree

On Oct

Re: [AFMUG] how to terminate cheap LC

Ends are irrelivant. What's it cost in manpower alone to do it and fix that
cheap shit, get big, pay a manager to deal with it. Or buy a cost
effective  splicer from the get go and quilt F-ing with it. I'm at a point
now with anything fiber related all I will do with the company is what the
boss says, outside of that I deal with my partner. I won't grow the fiber
side period.

On Oct 16, 2016 10:19 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> No epoxy.  No polishing.  They already have a very short piece of cleaved
> fiber in them and it is already epoxied into the business end and
> polished.
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 8:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] how to terminate cheap LC
>
> I see these cheap 50 cent LC and SC connectors on FS.com, how do you
> terminate them? could someone link a video?
>
> I'm assuming epoxy and polishing with a crimp?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?

Well Bush decision to invade Iraq did affect my family.. My son who proudly
served in Iraq came back injured physically and mentally.  He is still
under medical care .   We should have gone after Taliban in Afghanistan and
wiped them out along with poppie fields.   Hussein was a dictator I know
but our reason to invade was based on weapons of mass destruction which
didn't exist.   We messed up the status quo, left and gave ISIS an
opening... If you study history of region it has shown no outside nation
has ever been able to conquer area for very long..  These folks have been
at war since forever and we got caught up in it.  When you travel on plane
you are affected... Large public events are different now because threat of
terrorism exists.   So we are all affected some way.The times, they are
a changin

On Oct 16, 2016 9:21 PM, "Bruce Robertson"  wrote:

> Exactly right.  Who is president has some effect, but not game changing.
> Most people in the country are middle of the road, and the progress of the
> country reflects that.  The pendulum swings back and forth, but always
> reverts to the mean.
>
> On 10/16/16 8:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Congress makes and changes law.  Supreme Court makes a few important
> decisions.  Regulators are who really run the country.
>
> Does it really matter who the president is?
> What did Obama do?  Encouraged the ACA.  Dropped the ball in Syria.  But
> how did he affect me, my degree of wealth, my amount of spare time?
>
> Ditto Bush.  They affect foreign policy.  They have the ability to really
> mess up other people’s lives in other countries, but do they really have
> much effect on me?
>
> Granted, altering  the make up of the Supreme Court changes things like
> can I choose to marry a dude or do I have to sell wedding cakes to gays.
> But that really does not touch me.  My granddaughter having to cope with
> dudes in the bathroom at school hits a bit closer to home, but I trust
> congress will eventually settle on something a bit more common sense.
>
> I guess I am trying to convince myself that a president really doesn’t do
> much here at home.  Congress does.  The court does.  Bureaucracies do.
>
> Now, if the president could get a whole truckload of cheese delivered to
> the Whitehouse and give it out to anyone that drops in for a visit, then we
> are talking about a real impact...
>
> http://history1800s.about.com/od/19th-Century-Presidents/fl/
> Andrew-Jacksons-Big-Block-of-Cheese.htm
>
> !DSPAM:2,580442b817511656011445!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?

The incidentals matter. Never the primaries.

On Oct 16, 2016 10:39 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

>
> I have been saying this for many years. I think you said it a lot more
> gracefully than I did though...I might be stealing this for a status update
>
> And kudos to The West Wing tv show for having big block of cheese day:)
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Bruce Robertson" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
> Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 10:20 PM
>
> Exactly right.  Who is president has some effect, but not game changing.
> Most people in the country are middle of the road, and the progress of the
> country reflects that.  The pendulum swings back and forth, but always
> reverts to the mean.
>
> On 10/16/16 8:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Congress makes and changes law.  Supreme Court makes a few important
> decisions.  Regulators are who really run the country.
>
> Does it really matter who the president is?
> What did Obama do?  Encouraged the ACA.  Dropped the ball in Syria.  But
> how did he affect me, my degree of wealth, my amount of spare time?
>
> Ditto Bush.  They affect foreign policy.  They have the ability to really
> mess up other people’s lives in other countries, but do they really have
> much effect on me?
>
> Granted, altering  the make up of the Supreme Court changes things like
> can I choose to marry a dude or do I have to sell wedding cakes to gays.
> But that really does not touch me.  My granddaughter having to cope with
> dudes in the bathroom at school hits a bit closer to home, but I trust
> congress will eventually settle on something a bit more common sense.
>
> I guess I am trying to convince myself that a president really doesn’t do
> much here at home.  Congress does.  The court does.  Bureaucracies do.
>
> Now, if the president could get a whole truckload of cheese delivered to
> the Whitehouse and give it out to anyone that drops in for a visit, then we
> are talking about a real impact...
>
> http://history1800s.about.com/od/19th-Century-Presidents/fl/
> Andrew-Jacksons-Big-Block-of-Cheese.htm
>
> !DSPAM:2,580442b817511656011445!
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?

I have been saying this for many years. I think you said it a lot more 
gracefully than I did though...I might be stealing this for a status update

And kudos to The West Wing tv show for having big block of cheese day:)

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Bruce Robertson" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 10:20 PM

Exactly right.  Who is president has some effect, but not game
changing.  Most people in the country are middle of the road, and
the progress of the country reflects that.  The pendulum swings back
and forth, but always reverts to the mean.

On 10/16/16 8:17 PM, Chuck McCown
wrote:

Congress makes and changes law.  Supreme Court makes a
few important decisions.  Regulators are who really run the
country.

Does it really matter who the president is?

What did Obama do?  Encouraged the ACA.  Dropped the ball
in Syria.  But  how did he affect me, my degree of wealth,
my amount of spare time?

Ditto Bush.  They affect foreign policy.  They have the
ability to really mess up other people’s lives in other
countries, but do they really have much effect on me?  

Granted, altering  the make up of the Supreme Court
changes things like can I choose to marry a dude or do I
have to sell wedding cakes to gays.  But that really does
not touch me.  My granddaughter having to cope with dudes in
the bathroom at school hits a bit closer to home, but I
trust congress will eventually settle on something a bit
more common sense.  

I guess I am trying to convince myself that a president
really doesn’t do much here at home.  Congress does.  The
court does.  Bureaucracies do.  

Now, if the president could get a whole truckload of
cheese delivered to the Whitehouse and give it out to anyone
that drops in for a visit, then we are talking about a real
impact...

http://history1800s.about.com/od/19th-Century-Presidents/fl/Andrew-Jacksons-Big-Block-of-Cheese.htm

!DSPAM:2,580442b817511656011445!

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

The party system entrenched here is aweful. Look at the right, Paul Ryan
became a democrat, whether he wants to admit it or not. Every jack off in
office who pulled support for the duly elected candidate is in fact
endorsing the opposing party, no matter what kind of pretty cockring you
put on the schlong.

It is what it is

I honestly don't see a way to break the two party system a without a civil
war.

A real civil war in th us will en in a split state. We will lose some,
Alaska sand Texas in particular.  End of the day we will end with 5 to 10
less states, some rogue nations on North america. No matter what no one on
this list would see a clear solution in their lifetime.

That's not bad, as long as in the end everyone looks to the viability of
their grandkids kids. The left isn't capable of that. And we sure as shit
don't want right wing rogue states in our back yard

On Oct 16, 2016 10:24 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Our party system is out of control.  We look down at areas of the world
> where politics is tribal, but here we just call it party instead of tribe.
> Politicians are described as R or D, rather than who they are supposedly
> representing, and they are expected to follow the party line.  Worse, the
> parties fall down miserably on their one job which is to find, groom and
> run qualified candidates.  The Republicans are particularly at fault, yeah
> they had 18 candidates, all second rate.  If there had been a first rate
> candidate for people to rally around, we wouldn’t have the Trumpster.  I
> distinctly remember this being how we got George W. Bush, the GOP couldn’t
> come up with any good candidates, so they went to someone with name
> recognition.
>
>
>
> Then there is the problem of getting “primaried” from the left or right,
> plus the gerrymandered House districts.  I hate to say it, but we were
> probably better off when candidates were picked in “smoke filled rooms”,
> the current primary and convention system is seriously broken and needs to
> be replaced with something completely different.
>
>
>
> Bobby Jindal (remember him) famously told his party it needed to stop
> being the “stupid party”, he was not a particularly strong candidate, but
> in light of what’s happened since, it’s interesting to read his critique:
>
>
>
> http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news/279243-jindal-
> republicans-must-stop-being-the-stupid-party
>
>
>
> I checked and he didn’t invent the stupid party idea:
>
>
>
> “We have two parties here, and only two. One is the evil party, and the
> other is the stupid party. ... I'm very proud to be a member of the stupid
> party. ... Occasionally, the two parties get together to do something
> that's both evil and stupid. That's called bipartisanship.”
>
> - M. Stanton Evans
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:54 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
>
>
> Not sure which email to reply to to insert my thoughtsguess this is as
> good of a choice as any.
>
> If there is one thing which is painfully obvious to me in this election is
> that we really need to change the way we elect our president so that people
> can feel empowered to vote their conscience and for the candidates they
> actually want,  instead of voting to keep one or the other candidate out of
> office.  An incredible number of people in this election are actually
> casting their votes out of fear that one or the other one will get in
> office.
>
> There are lots of ways to fix this. ..  ranked voting being one of
> them.We just as a country need to decide to take our own advice and
> implement a system like this. (We actually tell other countries that it's
> important to enable this type of voter empowerment)
>
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
> Jamie, you are absolutely correct...
>
>
> The sad part of the whole affair is that,
>
>
>
> The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving
> exactly in the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave
> this wayand obviously such folks don't see the irony in this,
> ..while the rest of the world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit
> when it comes to giving the rest of us lectures on Democracy, morality,
> humanity,  equal rights, respect for others etc etc .. !
>
>
>
>
>
> :(
>
>
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
> We used to get

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Our party system is out of control.  We look down at areas of the world where 
politics is tribal, but here we just call it party instead of tribe.  
Politicians are described as R or D, rather than who they are supposedly 
representing, and they are expected to follow the party line.  Worse, the 
parties fall down miserably on their one job which is to find, groom and run 
qualified candidates.  The Republicans are particularly at fault, yeah they had 
18 candidates, all second rate.  If there had been a first rate candidate for 
people to rally around, we wouldn’t have the Trumpster.  I distinctly remember 
this being how we got George W. Bush, the GOP couldn’t come up with any good 
candidates, so they went to someone with name recognition.

 

Then there is the problem of getting “primaried” from the left or right, plus 
the gerrymandered House districts.  I hate to say it, but we were probably 
better off when candidates were picked in “smoke filled rooms”, the current 
primary and convention system is seriously broken and needs to be replaced with 
something completely different.

 

Bobby Jindal (remember him) famously told his party it needed to stop being the 
“stupid party”, he was not a particularly strong candidate, but in light of 
what’s happened since, it’s interesting to read his critique:

 

http://thehill.com/video/in-the-news/279243-jindal-republicans-must-stop-being-the-stupid-party

 

I checked and he didn’t invent the stupid party idea:

 

“We have two parties here, and only two. One is the evil party, and the other 
is the stupid party. ... I'm very proud to be a member of the stupid party. ... 
Occasionally, the two parties get together to do something that's both evil and 
stupid. That's called bipartisanship.”

- M. Stanton Evans

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 9:54 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

 

Not sure which email to reply to to insert my thoughtsguess this is as good 
of a choice as any. 

If there is one thing which is painfully obvious to me in this election is that 
we really need to change the way we elect our president so that people can feel 
empowered to vote their conscience and for the candidates they actually want,  
instead of voting to keep one or the other candidate out of office.  An 
incredible number of people in this election are actually casting their votes 
out of fear that one or the other one will get in office. 

There are lots of ways to fix this. ..  ranked voting being one of them.We 
just as a country need to decide to take our own advice and implement a system 
like this. (We actually tell other countries that it's important to enable this 
type of voter empowerment)

 

On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  > wrote:

Jamie, you are absolutely correct... 


The sad part of the whole affair is that,

 

The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving exactly in 
the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave this wayand 
obviously such folks don't see the irony in this, ..while the rest of the 
world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit when it comes to giving the rest 
of us lectures on Democracy, morality, humanity,  equal rights, respect for 
others etc etc .. !

 

 

:(

 

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  

Help-desk: (305)663-5518   Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net  

 

  _  

From: "Jaime Solorza"  >
To: "Animal Farm"  >
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it and the 
Japanese one as well.   Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my ability to 
understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader perspective... I 
think those of you that travel internationally can agree with me
..

 

On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  > wrote:

Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …

 

You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper a german is 
proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it is just loud 
and trashy.

 

If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.

 

 
http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-auswirkungen

 

It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is

Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?

2016-10-16 Thread Bruce Robertson

Exactly right. Who is president has some effect, but not game
changing. Most people in the country are middle of the road, and the
progress of the country reflects that. The pendulum swings back and
forth, but always reverts to the mean.

On 10/16/16 8:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Congress makes and changes law. Supreme Court makes a few important
decisions. Regulators are who really run the country.

Does it really matter who the president is?
What did Obama do? Encouraged the ACA. Dropped the ball in Syria.
But how did he affect me, my degree of wealth, my amount of spare time?
Ditto Bush. They affect foreign policy. They have the ability to
really mess up other people’s lives in other countries, but do they
really have much effect on me?
Granted, altering the make up of the Supreme Court changes things
like can I choose to marry a dude or do I have to sell wedding cakes
to gays. But that really does not touch me. My granddaughter having
to cope with dudes in the bathroom at school hits a bit closer to
home, but I trust congress will eventually settle on something a bit
more common sense.
I guess I am trying to convince myself that a president really doesn’t
do much here at home. Congress does. The court does. Bureaucracies do.
Now, if the president could get a whole truckload of cheese delivered
to the Whitehouse and give it out to anyone that drops in for a visit,
then we are talking about a real impact...

http://history1800s.about.com/od/19th-Century-Presidents/fl/Andrew-Jacksons-Big-Block-of-Cheese.htm
!DSPAM:2,580442b817511656011445!

Re: [AFMUG] how to terminate cheap LC

No epoxy.  No polishing.  They already have a very short piece of cleaved fiber 
in them and it is already epoxied into the business end and polished.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 8:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] how to terminate cheap LC

I see these cheap 50 cent LC and SC connectors on FS.com, how do you terminate 
them? could someone link a video? 

I'm assuming epoxy and polishing with a crimp?

Re: [AFMUG] how to terminate cheap LC

Inside them is a v block and index matching gel.  You have to strip and cleave 
the fiber and then just slide it in and lock it in.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 8:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] how to terminate cheap LC

I see these cheap 50 cent LC and SC connectors on FS.com, how do you terminate 
them? could someone link a video? 

I'm assuming epoxy and polishing with a crimp?

[AFMUG] OT does it really matter?

Congress makes and changes law.  Supreme Court makes a few important decisions. 
 Regulators are who really run the country.

Does it really matter who the president is?
What did Obama do?  Encouraged the ACA.  Dropped the ball in Syria.  But  how 
did he affect me, my degree of wealth, my amount of spare time?

Ditto Bush.  They affect foreign policy.  They have the ability to really mess 
up other people’s lives in other countries, but do they really have much effect 
on me?  

Granted, altering  the make up of the Supreme Court changes things like can I 
choose to marry a dude or do I have to sell wedding cakes to gays.  But that 
really does not touch me.  My granddaughter having to cope with dudes in the 
bathroom at school hits a bit closer to home, but I trust congress will 
eventually settle on something a bit more common sense.  

I guess I am trying to convince myself that a president really doesn’t do much 
here at home.  Congress does.  The court does.  Bureaucracies do.  

Now, if the president could get a whole truckload of cheese delivered to the 
Whitehouse and give it out to anyone that drops in for a visit, then we are 
talking about a real impact...

http://history1800s.about.com/od/19th-Century-Presidents/fl/Andrew-Jacksons-Big-Block-of-Cheese.htm

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

2016-10-16 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 10/16/16 5:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeah, when traveling internationally, your worldview of US
exceptionalism gets a reality check pretty quick.



The US still dominates globally as a blue water navy. But almost 
everything else we've either outsourced to other countries or are trying to.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

There are some GREAT / Useful subreddits... Just avoid the political ones :)

/r/networking is good, although enterprise / data center focused. /r/wisp
is actually a thing, although it isn't very big. /r/mikrotik is decent.

On Oct 16, 2016 6:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

>
> just finished watching some talking heads (meet the press from this
> morning).  Truthiness - at least I think so - had the audio tape not
> dropped last weekend (hey, thanks for that NBC), maybe wikileaks would be
> the dominant story this week
>
> thoughts?
>
> Yes, Meet the Press moderator Chuck Todd actually said this.  and I'm not
> anti Chuck Todd - - I just try to catch a little from both sides inbetween
> my normal internet nonsense.
>
> Speaking of which, I tried to spend 10 minutes on reddit last night.
>
> Wow.
>
> I caught myself acting like a frog saying ribbit...
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:41 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
> It is definitely getting harder and harder to figure out how much of it is
> self inflicted  to create attention, and how much of it is from the crazies
> from the other side... overall not very healthy for everyone...
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:37:25 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
> Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's wrong...looks like
> a GOP place... Still wrong... Just came across the ticker tape Watch it
> become an ugly talking point...
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow up... It's like
> arguing with a drunk..
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
>> Jamie, you are absolutely correct...
>>
>> The sad part of the whole affair is that,
>>
>> The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving
>> exactly in the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave
>> this wayand obviously such folks don't see the irony in this,
>> ..while the rest of the world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit
>> when it comes to giving the rest of us lectures on Democracy, morality,
>> humanity,  equal rights, respect for others etc etc .. !
>>
>>
>> :(
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
>> assassination at his rallies
>>
>> We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it and
>> the Japanese one as well.   Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my
>> ability to understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader
>> perspective... I think those of you that travel internationally can agree
>> with me
>> ..
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:
>>
>>> Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper a
>>> german is proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it
>>> is just loud and trashy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.
>>>
>>> http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-
>>> hillary-clinton-auswirkungen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening in
>>> US. What is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to
>>> be elected. Clinton seems to be disliked by many. I wonder why the
>>> Republican Party could not find a person with a more solid
>>> appearence/behavior.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Ken Hohhof
>>> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2016 22:43
>>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
>>> assassination at his rallies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope Stefan is familiar with Stefon, the Bill Hader character on SNL,
>>> or he will be confused, insulted, or both.
>>>
>>> Or did you mean yet another Stefon?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] how to terminate cheap LC

They have mechanical splices on there.

On Oct 16, 2016 9:16 PM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:

> I see these cheap 50 cent LC and SC connectors on FS.com, how do you
> terminate them? could someone link a video?
>
> I'm assuming epoxy and polishing with a crimp?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Ambition is the ONLY necessary prerequisite for success.  Other things help, 
but you must have ambition.

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 8:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

The absolute most common trait in success is drive. Driven people flocked to 
the us, my grandfather walked across Germany to get to a boat to come here. 
That's not uncommon among immigrants, even the current ones from South of the 
border and South of the borders border that have walked here. 
We took Africa and Irelands people @nd bred the best stock over and over. The 
US is in fact genetically superior to the rest of the planet because we have 
the rest 9f the planets best genes.
Our nutjobs, even they are superior genetically. Fuck balls

On Oct 16, 2016 9:35 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

  With all our problems. All our faults. Even all our inflated egos. We give 
more pet capita than any other to other countries. Not the government's gifts, 
private donations. People still come here from all over for a chance to be 
rewarded for their hard work like no other country will allow them to be 
rewarded.
  Racist? Sure. Bigoted? Many. But I thrill to watch the US in the Olympics as 
it is one of few countries you cannot determine by race. 

  Will the rest of the world be worse off when we fall? By that time, probably 
not. We have already outlived most government's and are a bit long in the 
tooth. Sure, others have long histories and the same names but not the same 
government's. 

  I am proud to enjoy it while it lasts knowing nothing ever stays the same and 
that no matter what I want or do I have no control over it. My grandchildren, 
if I am so lucky, will have a completely different America to live in than I 
did from my grandparents. Most of that is likely to be an improvement.

  In a republic we have few to blame but ourselves. We all deserve the 
government we allow to rule over us. Enjoy the ride my friends. It ends the 
same for us all.

  On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 8:36 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

Even Pence is cautiously distancing himself from the rigged vote paranoia.. 
 The Republicans really  tried to change voter ID laws in different states.   
They failed..  I know folks who had to take literacy tests in order to vote 
back in 60s.  We will not go back to that..  Ever.. America has changed... Too 
many educated folks know better than to allow narrow minded bigots to take over 
our system.   Some groups are planning violence as what happened with Kansas 
militia against immigrants... Yeah right like most US born folks would jump at 
chance to work in a chicken processing factory.I told my far right friend 
that the sleeping giant would be awaken.Voter registration is super high in 
many minority communities... November 8 will be here sooner than you want

On Oct 16, 2016 7:15 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  Yep Paul..  I agree

  On Oct 16, 2016 6:42 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

Rest my case….  

  On Oct 16, 2016, at 8:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  Our dollar it does, our military it did. Might and money are the only 
two things that actually control globalism. Name one single country that would 
not have a major impact if we pulled either from the global stage. . None is 
the answer

  On Oct 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

Not sure I agree with this …. the US is one very large and powerful 
country yes … but (and I’m not trying to stir controversy here despite it 
sounding like it) it’s one country out of many … and there are many other large 
and powerful countries out there.  I’m not saying that the US isn’t a major 
player and that some countries hurt more than others when things happen in the 
US but the “world” doesn’t centre around the US as much as Americans seem to 
think it does 

  On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  If you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel sorry for the 
majority of the planet who has become accustomed to riding the coat tails of 
the US in one major way or another. If and when we fall, it will be a disaster 
globally.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Drive and available cash flow are very much unrelated. We are an enigma. We
have a huge prcentage of driven, breeding with driven, over a couple
centuries, why do you think we drive innovation above most nations, all
nations on a mean. The facts on the slave elements mentioned are we bred
physical traits from the success negative element fom them. That statement
sounds like something from a white supremacist garbage can. But sometimes
truths sit in garbage cans.

On Oct 16, 2016 9:55 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Hmmm. I think history would prove that attitude and drive is not genetic.
> Or at least the fact that the riches of a family seldom stay in the family
> past a couple generations would lead one to believe that genetics has
> little to do with success. That is an interesting position. Genetically
> diverse yes, predisposed to drive, success, or any other positive trait, I
> don't think so. It seems to me that the evidence points to nurture over
> nature in this regard.
>
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:48 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The absolute most common trait in success is drive. Driven people flocked
>> to the us, my grandfather walked across Germany to get to a boat to come
>> here. That's not uncommon among immigrants, even the current ones from
>> South of the border and South of the borders border that have walked here.
>> We took Africa and Irelands people @nd bred the best stock over and over.
>> The US is in fact genetically superior to the rest of the planet because we
>> have the rest 9f the planets best genes.
>> Our nutjobs, even they are superior genetically. Fuck balls
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 9:35 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>> With all our problems. All our faults. Even all our inflated egos. We
>> give more pet capita than any other to other countries. Not the
>> government's gifts, private donations. People still come here from all over
>> for a chance to be rewarded for their hard work like no other country will
>> allow them to be rewarded.
>>
>> Racist? Sure. Bigoted? Many. But I thrill to watch the US in the Olympics
>> as it is one of few countries you cannot determine by race.
>>
>> Will the rest of the world be worse off when we fall? By that time,
>> probably not. We have already outlived most government's and are a bit long
>> in the tooth. Sure, others have long histories and the same names but not
>> the same government's.
>>
>> I am proud to enjoy it while it lasts knowing nothing ever stays the same
>> and that no matter what I want or do I have no control over it. My
>> grandchildren, if I am so lucky, will have a completely different America
>> to live in than I did from my grandparents. Most of that is likely to be an
>> improvement.
>>
>> In a republic we have few to blame but ourselves. We all deserve the
>> government we allow to rule over us. Enjoy the ride my friends. It ends the
>> same for us all.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 8:36 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Even Pence is cautiously distancing himself from the rigged vote
>> paranoia..  The Republicans really  tried to change voter ID laws in
>> different states.   They failed..  I know folks who had to take literacy
>> tests in order to vote back in 60s.  We will not go back to that..  Ever..
>> America has changed... Too many educated folks know better than to allow
>> narrow minded bigots to take over our system.   Some groups are planning
>> violence as what happened with Kansas militia against immigrants... Yeah
>> right like most US born folks would jump at chance to work in a chicken
>> processing factory.I told my far right friend that the sleeping giant
>> would be awaken.Voter registration is super high in many minority
>> communities... November 8 will be here sooner than you want
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 7:15 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yep Paul..  I agree
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 6:42 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>>
>> Rest my case….
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 8:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Our dollar it does, our military it did. Might and money are the only two
>> things that actually control globalism. Name one single country that would
>> not have a major impact if we pulled either from the global stage. . None
>> is the answer
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>>
>> Not sure I agree with this …. the US is one very large and powerful
>> country yes … but (and I’m not trying to stir controversy here despite it
>> sounding like it) it’s one country out of many … and there are many other
>> large and powerful countries out there.  I’m not saying that the US isn’t a
>> major player and that some countries hurt more than others when things
>> happen in the US but the “world” doesn’t centre around the US as much as
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

That is who I am voting for.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

In Utah, I'm betting that Evan McMullin will win, or at least deny DT from 
winning that state. If he's only a take-away vote, then HRC may even win Utah.

bp

On 10/16/2016 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  There is a theoretical chance we could still get Jeb Bush.  But a third party 
would have to rob Hillary of enough votes to prevent her from hitting 270.  

  From: Paul Stewart 
  Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 4:51 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

  As a Canadian, I feel bad for Americans right now…. two major contenders for 
President and they both have their “challenges” let’s say …. it’s a hot topic 
for Canadians because it impacts us significantly for a lot of things ….  I’m 
sick of hearing about it to be honest and several American friends are in the 
same boat… 

  I will say though that this is common in my opinion … where you have nobody 
“great” running for political office and you end up picking the one that you 
feel will be the least useless … at least that was my personal opinion in the 
last Canadian election of Prime Minister and boy was I wrong … but I’ll stop 
there :)

On Oct 16, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

BTW, I don't think that most Americans realize that the last presidential 
debate was transmitted live across the world, many nations, with direct 
real-time translators .

Put that in perspective of the folks of the world, each one hearing the 
words, and interpreting them in context of their culture, their believes and 
their understanding on what USA is all about... ... I cringe !

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

  From: "Jaime Solorza" 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:37:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination 
at his rallies

  Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's wrong...looks 
like a GOP place... Still wrong... Just came across the ticker tape Watch 
it become an ugly talking point...

  On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  
wrote:

Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow up... It's 
like arguing with a drunk..

On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  
wrote:

  Jamie, you are absolutely correct... 

  The sad part of the whole affair is that,

  The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving 
exactly in the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave this 
wayand obviously such folks don't see the irony in this, ..while the 
rest of the world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit when it comes to 
giving the rest of us lectures on Democracy, morality, humanity,  equal rights, 
respect for others etc etc .. !

  :(

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

--

From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, 
assassination at his rallies

We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it 
and the Japanese one as well.   Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my 
ability to understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader 
perspective... I think those of you that travel internationally can agree with 
me
..

On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:

  Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …

  You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no 
paper a german is proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but 
it is just loud and trashy.

  If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.

http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-auswirkungen

  It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

2016-10-16 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Not sure which email to reply to to insert my thoughtsguess this is as
good of a choice as any.

If there is one thing which is painfully obvious to me in this election is
that we really need to change the way we elect our president so that people
can feel empowered to vote their conscience and for the candidates they
actually want,  instead of voting to keep one or the other candidate out of
office.  An incredible number of people in this election are actually
casting their votes out of fear that one or the other one will get in
office.

There are lots of ways to fix this. ..  ranked voting being one of them.
We just as a country need to decide to take our own advice and implement a
system like this. (We actually tell other countries that it's important to
enable this type of voter empowerment)

On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> Jamie, you are absolutely correct...
>
> The sad part of the whole affair is that,
>
> The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving
> exactly in the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave
> this wayand obviously such folks don't see the irony in this,
> ..while the rest of the world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit
> when it comes to giving the rest of us lectures on Democracy, morality,
> humanity,  equal rights, respect for others etc etc .. !
>
>
> :(
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
> We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it and the
> Japanese one as well.   Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my ability
> to understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader
> perspective... I think those of you that travel internationally can agree
> with me
> ..
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:
>
>> Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …
>>
>>
>>
>> You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper a
>> german is proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it
>> is just loud and trashy.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.
>>
>> http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-
>> hillary-clinton-auswirkungen
>>
>>
>>
>> It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening in US.
>> What is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to be
>> elected. Clinton seems to be disliked by many. I wonder why the Republican
>> Party could not find a person with a more solid appearence/behavior.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Ken Hohhof
>> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2016 22:43
>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
>> assassination at his rallies
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope Stefan is familiar with Stefon, the Bill Hader character on SNL,
>> or he will be confused, insulted, or both.
>>
>> Or did you mean yet another Stefon?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
>> assassination at his rallies
>>
>>
>>
>> Stefon,
>>
>>
>>
>> Salt Lake City’s hottest night club is called:
>>
>> Trump’s P*ssy Grab
>>
>> It has democrat midgets you can throw,
>>
>> A cage full of undocumented Mexicans
>>
>> And all the servers are naked former beauty pageant contestants
>>
>>
>>
>> Or did you mean another Stefan?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:30 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk
>> rebellion,assassination at his rallies
>>
>>
>>
>> You do realize Stefan is in Germany, right?
>>
>>
>>
>> Or maybe you are referring to the international cabal?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:50 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
>> assassination at his rallies
>>
>>
>>
>> Would that be all the papers that met with the Clinton Campaign to
>> organize the message?  They left serious new journalism a long time ago.
>> Wikieleaks is a pain that way, showing the truth and all that.  The only
>> ones the Clinton Campaign didn’t invite was Fox.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

2016-10-16 Thread Lewis Bergman

Hmmm. I think history would prove that attitude and drive is not genetic.
Or at least the fact that the riches of a family seldom stay in the family
past a couple generations would lead one to believe that genetics has
little to do with success. That is an interesting position. Genetically
diverse yes, predisposed to drive, success, or any other positive trait, I
don't think so. It seems to me that the evidence points to nurture over
nature in this regard.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:48 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The absolute most common trait in success is drive. Driven people flocked
> to the us, my grandfather walked across Germany to get to a boat to come
> here. That's not uncommon among immigrants, even the current ones from
> South of the border and South of the borders border that have walked here.
> We took Africa and Irelands people @nd bred the best stock over and over.
> The US is in fact genetically superior to the rest of the planet because we
> have the rest 9f the planets best genes.
> Our nutjobs, even they are superior genetically. Fuck balls
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 9:35 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> With all our problems. All our faults. Even all our inflated egos. We give
> more pet capita than any other to other countries. Not the government's
> gifts, private donations. People still come here from all over for a chance
> to be rewarded for their hard work like no other country will allow them to
> be rewarded.
>
> Racist? Sure. Bigoted? Many. But I thrill to watch the US in the Olympics
> as it is one of few countries you cannot determine by race.
>
> Will the rest of the world be worse off when we fall? By that time,
> probably not. We have already outlived most government's and are a bit long
> in the tooth. Sure, others have long histories and the same names but not
> the same government's.
>
> I am proud to enjoy it while it lasts knowing nothing ever stays the same
> and that no matter what I want or do I have no control over it. My
> grandchildren, if I am so lucky, will have a completely different America
> to live in than I did from my grandparents. Most of that is likely to be an
> improvement.
>
> In a republic we have few to blame but ourselves. We all deserve the
> government we allow to rule over us. Enjoy the ride my friends. It ends the
> same for us all.
>
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 8:36 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Even Pence is cautiously distancing himself from the rigged vote
> paranoia..  The Republicans really  tried to change voter ID laws in
> different states.   They failed..  I know folks who had to take literacy
> tests in order to vote back in 60s.  We will not go back to that..  Ever..
> America has changed... Too many educated folks know better than to allow
> narrow minded bigots to take over our system.   Some groups are planning
> violence as what happened with Kansas militia against immigrants... Yeah
> right like most US born folks would jump at chance to work in a chicken
> processing factory.I told my far right friend that the sleeping giant
> would be awaken.Voter registration is super high in many minority
> communities... November 8 will be here sooner than you want
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 7:15 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> Yep Paul..  I agree
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 6:42 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>
> Rest my case….
>
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2016, at 8:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Our dollar it does, our military it did. Might and money are the only two
> things that actually control globalism. Name one single country that would
> not have a major impact if we pulled either from the global stage. . None
> is the answer
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>
> Not sure I agree with this …. the US is one very large and powerful
> country yes … but (and I’m not trying to stir controversy here despite it
> sounding like it) it’s one country out of many … and there are many other
> large and powerful countries out there.  I’m not saying that the US isn’t a
> major player and that some countries hurt more than others when things
> happen in the US but the “world” doesn’t centre around the US as much as
> Americans seem to think it does
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel sorry for the majority of the
> planet who has become accustomed to riding the coat tails of the US in one
> major way or another. If and when we fall, it will be a disaster globally.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

The absolute most common trait in success is drive. Driven people flocked
to the us, my grandfather walked across Germany to get to a boat to come
here. That's not uncommon among immigrants, even the current ones from
South of the border and South of the borders border that have walked here.
We took Africa and Irelands people @nd bred the best stock over and over.
The US is in fact genetically superior to the rest of the planet because we
have the rest 9f the planets best genes.
Our nutjobs, even they are superior genetically. Fuck balls

On Oct 16, 2016 9:35 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

With all our problems. All our faults. Even all our inflated egos. We give
more pet capita than any other to other countries. Not the government's
gifts, private donations. People still come here from all over for a chance
to be rewarded for their hard work like no other country will allow them to
be rewarded.

Racist? Sure. Bigoted? Many. But I thrill to watch the US in the Olympics
as it is one of few countries you cannot determine by race.

Will the rest of the world be worse off when we fall? By that time,
probably not. We have already outlived most government's and are a bit long
in the tooth. Sure, others have long histories and the same names but not
the same government's.

I am proud to enjoy it while it lasts knowing nothing ever stays the same
and that no matter what I want or do I have no control over it. My
grandchildren, if I am so lucky, will have a completely different America
to live in than I did from my grandparents. Most of that is likely to be an
improvement.

In a republic we have few to blame but ourselves. We all deserve the
government we allow to rule over us. Enjoy the ride my friends. It ends the
same for us all.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 8:36 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

Even Pence is cautiously distancing himself from the rigged vote
paranoia..  The Republicans really  tried to change voter ID laws in
different states.   They failed..  I know folks who had to take literacy
tests in order to vote back in 60s.  We will not go back to that..  Ever..
America has changed... Too many educated folks know better than to allow
narrow minded bigots to take over our system.   Some groups are planning
violence as what happened with Kansas militia against immigrants... Yeah
right like most US born folks would jump at chance to work in a chicken
processing factory.I told my far right friend that the sleeping giant
would be awaken.Voter registration is super high in many minority
communities... November 8 will be here sooner than you want

On Oct 16, 2016 7:15 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Yep Paul..  I agree


On Oct 16, 2016 6:42 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

Rest my case….



On Oct 16, 2016, at 8:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

Our dollar it does, our military it did. Might and money are the only two
things that actually control globalism. Name one single country that would
not have a major impact if we pulled either from the global stage. . None
is the answer

On Oct 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

Not sure I agree with this …. the US is one very large and powerful country
yes … but (and I’m not trying to stir controversy here despite it sounding
like it) it’s one country out of many … and there are many other large and
powerful countries out there.  I’m not saying that the US isn’t a major
player and that some countries hurt more than others when things happen in
the US but the “world” doesn’t centre around the US as much as Americans
seem to think it does


On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

If you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel sorry for the majority of the
planet who has become accustomed to riding the coat tails of the US in one
major way or another. If and when we fall, it will be a disaster globally.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

2016-10-16 Thread Lewis Bergman

With all our problems. All our faults. Even all our inflated egos. We give
more pet capita than any other to other countries. Not the government's
gifts, private donations. People still come here from all over for a chance
to be rewarded for their hard work like no other country will allow them to
be rewarded.

Racist? Sure. Bigoted? Many. But I thrill to watch the US in the Olympics
as it is one of few countries you cannot determine by race.

Will the rest of the world be worse off when we fall? By that time,
probably not. We have already outlived most government's and are a bit long
in the tooth. Sure, others have long histories and the same names but not
the same government's.

I am proud to enjoy it while it lasts knowing nothing ever stays the same
and that no matter what I want or do I have no control over it. My
grandchildren, if I am so lucky, will have a completely different America
to live in than I did from my grandparents. Most of that is likely to be an
improvement.

In a republic we have few to blame but ourselves. We all deserve the
government we allow to rule over us. Enjoy the ride my friends. It ends the
same for us all.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 8:36 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

Even Pence is cautiously distancing himself from the rigged vote
paranoia..  The Republicans really  tried to change voter ID laws in
different states.   They failed..  I know folks who had to take literacy
tests in order to vote back in 60s.  We will not go back to that..  Ever..
America has changed... Too many educated folks know better than to allow
narrow minded bigots to take over our system.   Some groups are planning
violence as what happened with Kansas militia against immigrants... Yeah
right like most US born folks would jump at chance to work in a chicken
processing factory.I told my far right friend that the sleeping giant
would be awaken.Voter registration is super high in many minority
communities... November 8 will be here sooner than you want

On Oct 16, 2016 7:15 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Yep Paul..  I agree


On Oct 16, 2016 6:42 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

Rest my case….



On Oct 16, 2016, at 8:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

Our dollar it does, our military it did. Might and money are the only two
things that actually control globalism. Name one single country that would
not have a major impact if we pulled either from the global stage. . None
is the answer

On Oct 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

Not sure I agree with this …. the US is one very large and powerful country
yes … but (and I’m not trying to stir controversy here despite it sounding
like it) it’s one country out of many … and there are many other large and
powerful countries out there.  I’m not saying that the US isn’t a major
player and that some countries hurt more than others when things happen in
the US but the “world” doesn’t centre around the US as much as Americans
seem to think it does


On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

If you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel sorry for the majority of the
planet who has become accustomed to riding the coat tails of the US in one
major way or another. If and when we fall, it will be a disaster globally.

Re: [AFMUG] how to terminate cheap LC

2016-10-16 Thread Jason McKemie

Why even mess with that? Just splice on half of a patch cable.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 9:16 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> I see these cheap 50 cent LC and SC connectors on FS.com, how do you
> terminate them? could someone link a video?
>
> I'm assuming epoxy and polishing with a crimp?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

2016-10-16 Thread Jerry Head

I'm just gonna leave this here...

petrodollar

On 10/16/2016 9:12 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

I have no input on pundit agendas. Just the simple fact of the the 
matter the 7s economy drives the majority of all national economies if 
for no other simplified reason than our gluttony. And our military 
provides the vast majority of international security directly or 
indirectly, should we fall, which we potentially are on the brink of 
(tin foil off, look at the original content of this thread) it would 
be a global catastrophe, between the caliphate and the sheer volume of 
potential dictators itching for a pull at a trigger if that basted 
behemoth in North America would just get off their ass. It's not blind 
patriotism, it's non liberal blinded realism. Good or bad, the US is 
the most bad as force in the history of the planet mother nature 
aside. Remember, a few hundred years ago, we took the planets driven 
and aggregated them into a single geological locale  it's not 
happenstance or ignorant blinders that makes us the number one 
superpower  it's genetics.

On Oct 16, 2016 8:25 PM, "Paul Stewart" > wrote:

Not really … I was referring to my point about how often Americans
think the world revolves around them….

When the US housing crisis hit (and it was very sad, I’m not
suggesting there was anything positive about it) …. CNN and other
news outlets were making references that this would drive Canada
and other countries into bankruptcy because of out of control
Mortgages and other stuff going on.  This was the furthest thing
from the truth … Canada, in particular, has much stronger banking
laws/regulations than the USA does (even today) - there was still
pain that was felt but nothing on the scale that the media kept
talking about ..

For me personally, this example did hurt badly .. I owned a
consulting company based in the south and employed 26 people (all
American) at the time … when the housing crisis hit, so did a
significant number of bad debts and this ultimately led to me
closing the company, but not before I made sure all my employees
were looked after financially to help “weather the storm”.

I know it sounds like I’m picking a fight here about what country
is best, has the largest military, has the most money etc …. not
at all ….  my point was just that a lot of Americans think there
are no other countries that can compare - this is something that
many of my American friends are the first to point out as being
wrong …. and I agree.  Before you think this is a “typical
Canadian” talking here - I once had dual citizenship and was quite
proud of that.  I have also travelled the world fairly extensively
and seen many countries/cultures…

Just one person’s opinion….

Paul

On Oct 16, 2016, at 9:01 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> wrote:

So you see the point then.

On Oct 16, 2016 7:42 PM, "Paul Stewart" > wrote:

Rest my case….

On Oct 16, 2016, at 8:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> wrote:

Our dollar it does, our military it did. Might and money are
the only two things that actually control globalism. Name
one single country that would not have a major impact if we
pulled either from the global stage. . None is the answer

On Oct 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "Paul Stewart"
> wrote:

Not sure I agree with this …. the US is one very large
and powerful country yes … but (and I’m not trying to
stir controversy here despite it sounding like it) it’s
one country out of many … and there are many other large
and powerful countries out there.  I’m not saying that
the US isn’t a major player and that some countries hurt
more than others when things happen in the US but the
“world” doesn’t centre around the US as much as
Americans seem to think it does

On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> wrote:

If you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel sorry for
the majority of the planet who has become accustomed to
riding the coat tails of the US in one major way or
another. If and when we fall, it will be a disaster
globally.

[AFMUG] how to terminate cheap LC

2016-10-16 Thread TJ Trout

I see these cheap 50 cent LC and SC connectors on FS.com, how do you
terminate them? could someone link a video?

I'm assuming epoxy and polishing with a crimp?

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

I have no input on pundit agendas. Just the simple fact of the the matter
the 7s economy drives the majority of all national economies if for no
other simplified reason than our gluttony. And our military provides the
vast majority of international security directly or indirectly, should we
fall, which we potentially are on the brink of (tin foil off, look at the
original content of this thread) it would be a global catastrophe, between
the caliphate and the sheer volume of potential dictators itching for a
pull at a trigger if that basted behemoth in North America would just get
off their ass. It's not blind patriotism, it's non liberal blinded realism.
Good or bad, the US is the most bad as force in the history of the planet
mother nature aside. Remember, a few hundred years ago, we took the planets
driven and aggregated them into a single geological locale  it's not
happenstance or ignorant blinders that makes us the number one superpower
it's genetics.

On Oct 16, 2016 8:25 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

> Not really … I was referring to my point about how often Americans think
> the world revolves around them….
>
> When the US housing crisis hit (and it was very sad, I’m not suggesting
> there was anything positive about it) …. CNN and other news outlets were
> making references that this would drive Canada and other countries into
> bankruptcy because of out of control Mortgages and other stuff going on.
> This was the furthest thing from the truth … Canada, in particular, has
> much stronger banking laws/regulations than the USA does (even today) -
> there was still pain that was felt but nothing on the scale that the media
> kept talking about ..
>
> For me personally, this example did hurt badly .. I owned a consulting
> company based in the south and employed 26 people (all American) at the
> time … when the housing crisis hit, so did a significant number of bad
> debts and this ultimately led to me closing the company, but not before I
> made sure all my employees were looked after financially to help “weather
> the storm”.
>
> I know it sounds like I’m picking a fight here about what country is best,
> has the largest military, has the most money etc …. not at all ….  my point
> was just that a lot of Americans think there are no other countries that
> can compare - this is something that many of my American friends are the
> first to point out as being wrong …. and I agree.  Before you think this is
> a “typical Canadian” talking here - I once had dual citizenship and was
> quite proud of that.  I have also travelled the world fairly extensively
> and seen many countries/cultures…
>
> Just one person’s opinion….
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2016, at 9:01 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So you see the point then.
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 7:42 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>
> Rest my case….
>
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2016, at 8:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Our dollar it does, our military it did. Might and money are the only two
> things that actually control globalism. Name one single country that would
> not have a major impact if we pulled either from the global stage. . None
> is the answer
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>
>> Not sure I agree with this …. the US is one very large and powerful
>> country yes … but (and I’m not trying to stir controversy here despite it
>> sounding like it) it’s one country out of many … and there are many other
>> large and powerful countries out there.  I’m not saying that the US isn’t a
>> major player and that some countries hurt more than others when things
>> happen in the US but the “world” doesn’t centre around the US as much as
>> Americans seem to think it does
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel sorry for the majority of the
>> planet who has become accustomed to riding the coat tails of the US in one
>> major way or another. If and when we fall, it will be a disaster globally.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Even Pence is cautiously distancing himself from the rigged vote
paranoia..  The Republicans really  tried to change voter ID laws in
different states.   They failed..  I know folks who had to take literacy
tests in order to vote back in 60s.  We will not go back to that..  Ever..
America has changed... Too many educated folks know better than to allow
narrow minded bigots to take over our system.   Some groups are planning
violence as what happened with Kansas militia against immigrants... Yeah
right like most US born folks would jump at chance to work in a chicken
processing factory.I told my far right friend that the sleeping giant
would be awaken.Voter registration is super high in many minority
communities... November 8 will be here sooner than you want

On Oct 16, 2016 7:15 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Yep Paul..  I agree
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 6:42 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>
>> Rest my case….
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 8:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Our dollar it does, our military it did. Might and money are the only two
>> things that actually control globalism. Name one single country that would
>> not have a major impact if we pulled either from the global stage. . None
>> is the answer
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure I agree with this …. the US is one very large and powerful
>>> country yes … but (and I’m not trying to stir controversy here despite it
>>> sounding like it) it’s one country out of many … and there are many other
>>> large and powerful countries out there.  I’m not saying that the US isn’t a
>>> major player and that some countries hurt more than others when things
>>> happen in the US but the “world” doesn’t centre around the US as much as
>>> Americans seem to think it does
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel sorry for the majority of
>>> the planet who has become accustomed to riding the coat tails of the US in
>>> one major way or another. If and when we fall, it will be a disaster
>>> globally.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Not really … I was referring to my point about how often Americans think the 
world revolves around them….

When the US housing crisis hit (and it was very sad, I’m not suggesting there 
was anything positive about it) …. CNN and other news outlets were making 
references that this would drive Canada and other countries into bankruptcy 
because of out of control Mortgages and other stuff going on.  This was the 
furthest thing from the truth … Canada, in particular, has much stronger 
banking laws/regulations than the USA does (even today) - there was still pain 
that was felt but nothing on the scale that the media kept talking about ..

For me personally, this example did hurt badly .. I owned a consulting company 
based in the south and employed 26 people (all American) at the time … when the 
housing crisis hit, so did a significant number of bad debts and this 
ultimately led to me closing the company, but not before I made sure all my 
employees were looked after financially to help “weather the storm”.

I know it sounds like I’m picking a fight here about what country is best, has 
the largest military, has the most money etc …. not at all ….  my point was 
just that a lot of Americans think there are no other countries that can 
compare - this is something that many of my American friends are the first to 
point out as being wrong …. and I agree.  Before you think this is a “typical 
Canadian” talking here - I once had dual citizenship and was quite proud of 
that.  I have also travelled the world fairly extensively and seen many 
countries/cultures…

Just one person’s opinion….

Paul

> On Oct 16, 2016, at 9:01 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> So you see the point then.
> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2016 7:42 PM, "Paul Stewart"  > wrote:
> Rest my case…. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 8:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Our dollar it does, our military it did. Might and money are the only two 
>> things that actually control globalism. Name one single country that would 
>> not have a major impact if we pulled either from the global stage. . None is 
>> the answer
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "Paul Stewart" > > wrote:
>> Not sure I agree with this …. the US is one very large and powerful country 
>> yes … but (and I’m not trying to stir controversy here despite it sounding 
>> like it) it’s one country out of many … and there are many other large and 
>> powerful countries out there.  I’m not saying that the US isn’t a major 
>> player and that some countries hurt more than others when things happen in 
>> the US but the “world” doesn’t centre around the US as much as Americans 
>> seem to think it does
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel sorry for the majority of the 
>>> planet who has become accustomed to riding the coat tails of the US in one 
>>> major way or another. If and when we fall, it will be a disaster globally.
>> 
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Hahthat is funny.  The attraction was the ratings.  Nothing else. 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his 
rallies
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 7:21 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/301147-cnn-president-airing-so-many-full-trump-rallies-was-a
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 7:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies
I think there were actually 18 republican candidates. In the early going the 
style of DT pretty much sucked the oxygen out of the room. I think a lot of it 
was the press' focus on him, but in the end, it was really the republican 
voters that made the decision.Republicans are well under half of the overall 
voter population. My personal theory was that too many rationally-minded 
republicans decided to sit out the primaries, or else they were legitimately 
split on "all the rest".That's too bad, because in the end, they could have 
fixed the problem by only having 3 or at most, 6 candidates. If that had been 
the case, I think DT would not have gone past the first 5 primaries. DT did not 
get a majority in any of the early primaries; a classic case of split votes. 
bp On 10/16/2016 4:50 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
One thing to remember during all of this.  People voted in 50 states.  Very 
different states.  There were, at times, 10 other candidates on the republican 
side - - and admitingly, one socialist on the other side.  

Those 50 states voted Trump in as the republican nominee.  There were several 
other choices.  Trump is the one the majority voted in.

Don't forget that come Nov 8.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

One?

On Oct 16, 2016 8:15 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Yep Paul..  I agree
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 6:42 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>
>> Rest my case….
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 8:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Our dollar it does, our military it did. Might and money are the only two
>> things that actually control globalism. Name one single country that would
>> not have a major impact if we pulled either from the global stage. . None
>> is the answer
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure I agree with this …. the US is one very large and powerful
>>> country yes … but (and I’m not trying to stir controversy here despite it
>>> sounding like it) it’s one country out of many … and there are many other
>>> large and powerful countries out there.  I’m not saying that the US isn’t a
>>> major player and that some countries hurt more than others when things
>>> happen in the US but the “world” doesn’t centre around the US as much as
>>> Americans seem to think it does
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel sorry for the majority of
>>> the planet who has become accustomed to riding the coat tails of the US in
>>> one major way or another. If and when we fall, it will be a disaster
>>> globally.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Rub it in ChuckI am sure mr. Weekley is extremely jealous :)

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- Reply message -
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his 
rallies
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 7:23 PM

Just had dinner at Red Iguana tonight...  they have the bestest flan I have 
ever tasted.
(Not sure if I will ever have enough energy to do AF again.  Perhaps.  Not 
ruling it out).

-Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 4:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

Salt Lake City has changed since the last time I was there.  May be time
for another Animal Farm.

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Stefon,
> Salt Lake City’s hottest night club is called:
> Trump’s P*ssy Grab
> It has democrat midgets you can throw,
> A cage full of undocumented Mexicans
> And all the servers are naked former beauty pageant contestants
> Or did you mean another Stefan?
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,assassination > 
> at his rallies
>
> You do realize Stefan is in Germany, right?
>
> Or maybe you are referring to the international cabal?
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, > assassination 
> at his rallies
>
> Would that be all the papers that met with the Clinton Campaign to > organize 
> the message?  They left serious new journalism a long time ago. > Wikieleaks 
> is a pain that way, showing the truth and all that.  The only > ones the 
> Clinton Campaign didn’t invite was Fox.
>
> Rory
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:07 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, > assassination 
> at his rallies
>
> Bild is no paper you should take as reference. It is just big letters and > 
> made for people who barely could read but don't understand.
>
> But serious papers don't like Trump, too. Trump does give a very bad > 
> picture of US to other nations.
>
>
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Ken Hohhof 
> Datum: 16.10.2016 03:48 (GMT+01:00)
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination > 
> at his rallies
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Yep Paul..  I agree

On Oct 16, 2016 6:42 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

> Rest my case….
>
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2016, at 8:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Our dollar it does, our military it did. Might and money are the only two
> things that actually control globalism. Name one single country that would
> not have a major impact if we pulled either from the global stage. . None
> is the answer
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>
>> Not sure I agree with this …. the US is one very large and powerful
>> country yes … but (and I’m not trying to stir controversy here despite it
>> sounding like it) it’s one country out of many … and there are many other
>> large and powerful countries out there.  I’m not saying that the US isn’t a
>> major player and that some countries hurt more than others when things
>> happen in the US but the “world” doesn’t centre around the US as much as
>> Americans seem to think it does
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel sorry for the majority of the
>> planet who has become accustomed to riding the coat tails of the US in one
>> major way or another. If and when we fall, it will be a disaster globally.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

So you see the point then.

On Oct 16, 2016 7:42 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

Rest my case….



On Oct 16, 2016, at 8:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

Our dollar it does, our military it did. Might and money are the only two
things that actually control globalism. Name one single country that would
not have a major impact if we pulled either from the global stage. . None
is the answer

On Oct 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

> Not sure I agree with this …. the US is one very large and powerful
> country yes … but (and I’m not trying to stir controversy here despite it
> sounding like it) it’s one country out of many … and there are many other
> large and powerful countries out there.  I’m not saying that the US isn’t a
> major player and that some countries hurt more than others when things
> happen in the US but the “world” doesn’t centre around the US as much as
> Americans seem to think it does
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel sorry for the majority of the
> planet who has become accustomed to riding the coat tails of the US in one
> major way or another. If and when we fall, it will be a disaster globally.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

In Utah, I'm betting that Evan McMullin will win, or at least deny DT 
from winning that state. If he's only a take-away vote, then HRC may 
even win Utah.



bp


On 10/16/2016 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
There is a theoretical chance we could still get Jeb Bush.  But a 
third party would have to rob Hillary of enough votes to prevent her 
from hitting 270.

*From:* Paul Stewart
*Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 4:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, 
assassination at his rallies
As a Canadian, I feel bad for Americans right now…. two major 
contenders for President and they both have their “challenges” let’s 
say …. it’s a hot topic for Canadians because it impacts us 
significantly for a lot of things …. I’m sick of hearing about it to 
be honest and several American friends are in the same boat…
I will say though that this is common in my opinion … where you have 
nobody “great” running for political office and you end up picking the 
one that you feel will be the least useless … at least that was my 
personal opinion in the last Canadian election of Prime Minister and 
boy was I wrong … but I’ll stop there :)
On Oct 16, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:
BTW, I don't think that most Americans realize that the last 
presidential debate was transmitted live across the world, many 
nations, with direct real-time translators .
Put that in perspective of the folks of the world, each one hearing 
the words, and interpreting them in context of their culture, their 
believes and their understanding on what USA is all about... ... 
I cringe !

Regards.
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


*From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:37:25 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
assassination at his rallies

Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's
wrong...looks like a GOP place... Still wrong... Just came across
the ticker tape Watch it become an ugly talking point...

On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
 wrote:

Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow
up... It's like arguing with a drunk..

On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"
 wrote:

Jamie, you are absolutely correct...

The sad part of the whole affair is that,
The folks who are loud in the current election process
are behaving exactly in the same manner that we as a
nation abhor when others behave this wayand obviously
such folks don't see the irony in this, ..while the
rest of the world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit
when it comes to giving the rest of us lectures on
Democracy, morality, humanity,  equal rights, respect for
others etc etc .. !


:(


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2
or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




*From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk
rebellion, assassination at his rallies

We used to get DW news on our old cable news line
up... I liked it and the Japanese one as well.  
Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my ability to

understand several languages gives me an
advantage...broader perspective... I think those of
you that travel internationally can agree with me
..

On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"
 wrote:

Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and
learning now …


You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear
this is no paper a german is proud of. It is like
the british SUN. Many people read it but it is
just loud and trashy.


If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you
should read e.g.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Rest my case…. 



> On Oct 16, 2016, at 8:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> Our dollar it does, our military it did. Might and money are the only two 
> things that actually control globalism. Name one single country that would 
> not have a major impact if we pulled either from the global stage. . None is 
> the answer
> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "Paul Stewart"  > wrote:
> Not sure I agree with this …. the US is one very large and powerful country 
> yes … but (and I’m not trying to stir controversy here despite it sounding 
> like it) it’s one country out of many … and there are many other large and 
> powerful countries out there.  I’m not saying that the US isn’t a major 
> player and that some countries hurt more than others when things happen in 
> the US but the “world” doesn’t centre around the US as much as Americans seem 
> to think it does
> 
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> If you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel sorry for the majority of the 
>> planet who has become accustomed to riding the coat tails of the US in one 
>> major way or another. If and when we fall, it will be a disaster globally.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Our dollar it does, our military it did. Might and money are the only two
things that actually control globalism. Name one single country that would
not have a major impact if we pulled either from the global stage. . None
is the answer

On Oct 16, 2016 7:31 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

> Not sure I agree with this …. the US is one very large and powerful
> country yes … but (and I’m not trying to stir controversy here despite it
> sounding like it) it’s one country out of many … and there are many other
> large and powerful countries out there.  I’m not saying that the US isn’t a
> major player and that some countries hurt more than others when things
> happen in the US but the “world” doesn’t centre around the US as much as
> Americans seem to think it does
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel sorry for the majority of the
> planet who has become accustomed to riding the coat tails of the US in one
> major way or another. If and when we fall, it will be a disaster globally.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

You'll have to explain that to me. Seemed like all the people at his 
rallies were Republicans.


Sure the media fanned the flames, but I don't see the media as liberals, 
so much as prostitutes hooking for ratings.



bp


On 10/16/2016 5:31 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
Liberals created Donald trump, the Republican party had little to do 
with it

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Yeah, when traveling internationally, your worldview of US exceptionalism gets 
a reality check pretty quick.  

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

Not sure I agree with this …. the US is one very large and powerful country yes 
… but (and I’m not trying to stir controversy here despite it sounding like it) 
it’s one country out of many … and there are many other large and powerful 
countries out there.  I’m not saying that the US isn’t a major player and that 
some countries hurt more than others when things happen in the US but the 
“world” doesn’t centre around the US as much as Americans seem to think it does 

  On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  If you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel sorry for the majority of the 
planet who has become accustomed to riding the coat tails of the US in one 
major way or another. If and when we fall, it will be a disaster globally.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Stabbing is what anyone who says anyone shouldn't be allowed to vote needs.
Voting is the one thing that should never be taken away. I hate that we
take it from citizens. Even people in prisons should still have a voice. If
you're a legal citizen, you have say.

On Oct 16, 2016 7:24 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

> Another problem is some percentage of Americans shouldn't be allowed to
> vote. The criteria they use is not intellectual.
>
> And it's always the loudest, meanest, or most popular candidates that make
> it further. The balanced ones never get the public eye...
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:50 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> One thing to remember during all of this.  People voted in 50 states.
> Very different states.  There were, at times, 10 other candidates on the
> republican side - - and admitingly, one socialist on the other side.
>
> Those 50 states voted Trump in as the republican nominee.  There were
> several other choices.  Trump is the one the majority voted in.
>
> Don't forget that come Nov 8.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:15 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
> As an American it's hard to feel sorry for us. Nobody should. We have had
> it better than any 0lace on the planet for so long that we make up strife.
> We have become soft, and worse we have become lazy. The vast majority of
> our population would have no problem living the lifestyle of those in that
> kids movie with the little robot where we rode around one hoverchairs being
> fat. We have an expectation that we will be spoofed 9ur ideals and our
> facts by the media, this election is the tipping point where the media has
> become it's own thing and has corrupted the status quo. I would bet 80
> percent of our population is not capable of critical thinking at this point
> considering the vast majority of our acedemia (the last refuge of
> independent thought) is not capable of it. If you want to feel sorry for
> anybody, feel sorry for the majority of the planet who has become
> accustomed to riding the coat tails of the US in one major way or another.
> If and when we fall, it will be a disaster globally.
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 5:51 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>
> As a Canadian, I feel bad for Americans right now…. two major contenders
> for President and they both have their “challenges” let’s say …. it’s a hot
> topic for Canadians because it impacts us significantly for a lot of things
> ….  I’m sick of hearing about it to be honest and several American friends
> are in the same boat…
>
> I will say though that this is common in my opinion … where you have
> nobody “great” running for political office and you end up picking the one
> that you feel will be the least useless … at least that was my personal
> opinion in the last Canadian election of Prime Minister and boy was I wrong
> … but I’ll stop there :)
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
> BTW, I don't think that most Americans realize that the last presidential
> debate was transmitted live across the world, many nations, with direct
> real-time translators .
>
> Put that in perspective of the folks of the world, each one hearing the
> words, and interpreting them in context of their culture, their believes
> and their understanding on what USA is all about... ... I cringe !
>
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:37:25 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
> Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's wrong...looks like
> a GOP place... Still wrong... Just came across the ticker tape Watch it
> become an ugly talking point...
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow up... It's like
> arguing with a drunk..
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
>> Jamie, you are absolutely correct...
>>
>> The sad part of the whole affair is that,
>>
>> The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving
>> exactly in the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave
>> this wayand obviously such folks don't see the irony in this,
>> ..while the rest of the world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit
>> when it

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

I’m wondering why I didn’t think of that before :)  Thanks!

> On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:07 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> Makes a huge difference
> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2016 5:52 PM, "Paul Stewart"  > wrote:
> Hmm… now that’s interesting … let me try wired sometime just for fun ….
> 
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince > > wrote:
>> 
>> I have my Roku attached to a switch that uses an NS2M to connect to our 
>> house WAP. Works fine.
>> 
>> So maybe they have a crappy WiFi interface?
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/16/2016 2:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>> Roku on wireless is questionable, mine is wired,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2016 4:07 PM, "Paul Stewart" >> > wrote:
>>> See that’s kinda funny for me… I have several Roku boxes and my experience 
>>> with all of them has been garbage….
>>> 
>>> Netflix is probably the most dependable app but even with it I’ve had some 
>>> weird things go on … Plex I have issues with every so often (audio out of 
>>> sync for example).  When I try the same “programming” on Apple TV or PS4 I 
>>> have zero issues.  It got to the point where I just packed them all up into 
>>> a box and threw them into a storage bin … only recently did I pull out a 
>>> Roku 2 and Roku 3 to test an app from a competitor offering IPTV via Roku - 
>>> it sucked badly too and other people trialling the service were having 
>>> issues too … 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 16, 2016, at 12:20 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 > wrote:

 Roku is just an amazing nail on the head device. I still run the old xd it 
 still updates, the apps still update, it's got the supported dev channels. 
 That's probably one of the most elegantly perfect pieces of electronic in 
 my home

 On Oct 16, 2016 10:49 AM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:
 The problem with whatever app is on the TV (or if there is an app), is 
 that if the TV is more than 1 year old, it will never be updated again.

 The Netflix app on our (now) 5 year old LG is a poor example of how 
 Netflix should actually work (or any of the online streaming services for 
 that matter). I didn't realize how poor until we installed a ROKU 2, and 
 found out what a reasonably modern implementation looked like.

 bp

 On 10/15/2016 10:10 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the 
> procedure to update the app on the smart TV?
> 
>  
> Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of 
> the early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.
> 

>>> 
>> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Not sure I agree with this …. the US is one very large and powerful country yes 
… but (and I’m not trying to stir controversy here despite it sounding like it) 
it’s one country out of many … and there are many other large and powerful 
countries out there.  I’m not saying that the US isn’t a major player and that 
some countries hurt more than others when things happen in the US but the 
“world” doesn’t centre around the US as much as Americans seem to think it does

> On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> If you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel sorry for the majority of the 
> planet who has become accustomed to riding the coat tails of the US in one 
> major way or another. If and when we fall, it will be a disaster globally.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

The numbers are much worse than I thought. Republicans are slightly over 
1/4 of the overall electorate. Assuming maybe 60% of those actually 
voted in the primaries, that means something like 15.6% of the 
electorate chose the Republican nominee. Taking it a step further, only 
7.8% (half of 15.6%) decided who the Republican nominee is. Sounds like 
the tail wagging the dog...


FWIW, Democrats are only 29% of the overall electorate. Only a bit more 
people involved.


The number that should wake everyone up is that now between 40 and 42 
percent identify as independent.


If I were a politician, the independents would be who I would be targeting.


bp


On 10/16/2016 5:09 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


I think there were actually 18 republican candidates. In the early 
going the style of DT pretty much sucked the oxygen out of the room. I 
think a lot of it was the press' focus on him, but in the end, it was 
really the republican voters that made the decision.


Republicans are well under half of the overall voter population. My 
personal theory was that too many rationally-minded republicans 
decided to sit out the primaries, or else they were legitimately split 
on "all the rest".


That's too bad, because in the end, they could have fixed the problem 
by only having 3 or at most, 6 candidates. If that had been the case, 
I think DT would not have gone past the first 5 primaries. DT did not 
get a majority in any of the early primaries; a classic case of split 
votes.



bp


On 10/16/2016 4:50 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
One thing to remember during all of this.  People voted in 50 
states.  Very different states. There were, at times, 10 other 
candidates on the republican side - - and admitingly, one socialist 
on the other side.
Those 50 states voted Trump in as the republican nominee.  There were 
several other choices. Trump is the one the majority voted in.

Don't forget that come Nov 8.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Republican voting was at a long time high. Which is a more defining number
if a lot of the regulars sat it out.

Liberals created Donald trump, the Republican party had little to do with it

On Oct 16, 2016 7:09 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> I think there were actually 18 republican candidates. In the early going
> the style of DT pretty much sucked the oxygen out of the room. I think a
> lot of it was the press' focus on him, but in the end, it was really the
> republican voters that made the decision.
>
> Republicans are well under half of the overall voter population. My
> personal theory was that too many rationally-minded republicans decided to
> sit out the primaries, or else they were legitimately split on "all the
> rest".
>
> That's too bad, because in the end, they could have fixed the problem by
> only having 3 or at most, 6 candidates. If that had been the case, I think
> DT would not have gone past the first 5 primaries. DT did not get a
> majority in any of the early primaries; a classic case of split votes.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/16/2016 4:50 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
> One thing to remember during all of this.  People voted in 50 states.
> Very different states.  There were, at times, 10 other candidates on the
> republican side - - and admitingly, one socialist on the other side.
>
> Those 50 states voted Trump in as the republican nominee.  There were
> several other choices.  Trump is the one the majority voted in.
>
> Don't forget that come Nov 8.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Yuk I don't like flan at all... Prefer an empanda de pina with coffee

On Oct 16, 2016 6:24 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

> Another problem is some percentage of Americans shouldn't be allowed to
> vote. The criteria they use is not intellectual.
>
> And it's always the loudest, meanest, or most popular candidates that make
> it further. The balanced ones never get the public eye...
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:50 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> One thing to remember during all of this.  People voted in 50 states.
> Very different states.  There were, at times, 10 other candidates on the
> republican side - - and admitingly, one socialist on the other side.
>
> Those 50 states voted Trump in as the republican nominee.  There were
> several other choices.  Trump is the one the majority voted in.
>
> Don't forget that come Nov 8.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:15 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
> As an American it's hard to feel sorry for us. Nobody should. We have had
> it better than any 0lace on the planet for so long that we make up strife.
> We have become soft, and worse we have become lazy. The vast majority of
> our population would have no problem living the lifestyle of those in that
> kids movie with the little robot where we rode around one hoverchairs being
> fat. We have an expectation that we will be spoofed 9ur ideals and our
> facts by the media, this election is the tipping point where the media has
> become it's own thing and has corrupted the status quo. I would bet 80
> percent of our population is not capable of critical thinking at this point
> considering the vast majority of our acedemia (the last refuge of
> independent thought) is not capable of it. If you want to feel sorry for
> anybody, feel sorry for the majority of the planet who has become
> accustomed to riding the coat tails of the US in one major way or another.
> If and when we fall, it will be a disaster globally.
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 5:51 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>
> As a Canadian, I feel bad for Americans right now…. two major contenders
> for President and they both have their “challenges” let’s say …. it’s a hot
> topic for Canadians because it impacts us significantly for a lot of things
> ….  I’m sick of hearing about it to be honest and several American friends
> are in the same boat…
>
> I will say though that this is common in my opinion … where you have
> nobody “great” running for political office and you end up picking the one
> that you feel will be the least useless … at least that was my personal
> opinion in the last Canadian election of Prime Minister and boy was I wrong
> … but I’ll stop there :)
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
> BTW, I don't think that most Americans realize that the last presidential
> debate was transmitted live across the world, many nations, with direct
> real-time translators .
>
> Put that in perspective of the folks of the world, each one hearing the
> words, and interpreting them in context of their culture, their believes
> and their understanding on what USA is all about... ... I cringe !
>
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:37:25 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
> Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's wrong...looks like
> a GOP place... Still wrong... Just came across the ticker tape Watch it
> become an ugly talking point...
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow up... It's like
> arguing with a drunk..
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
>> Jamie, you are absolutely correct...
>>
>> The sad part of the whole affair is that,
>>
>> The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving
>> exactly in the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave
>> this wayand obviously such folks don't see the irony in this,
>> ..while the rest of the world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit
>> when it comes to giving the rest of us lectures on Democracy, morality,
>> humanity,  equal rights, respect for others etc etc .. !
>>
>>
>> :(
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

http://www.270towin.com/content/electoral-college-ties/

Wow, that’s a little convoluted.

 

Also someone pointed out there will be 17 days, if I remember right, with the 
new Congress seated but Obama still President and Biden still deciding ties in 
the Senate.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 7:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

 

There is a theoretical chance we could still get Jeb Bush.  But a third party 
would have to rob Hillary of enough votes to prevent her from hitting 270.  

 

From: Paul Stewart 

Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 4:51 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

 

As a Canadian, I feel bad for Americans right now…. two major contenders for 
President and they both have their “challenges” let’s say …. it’s a hot topic 
for Canadians because it impacts us significantly for a lot of things ….  I’m 
sick of hearing about it to be honest and several American friends are in the 
same boat… 

 

I will say though that this is common in my opinion … where you have nobody 
“great” running for political office and you end up picking the one that you 
feel will be the least useless … at least that was my personal opinion in the 
last Canadian election of Prime Minister and boy was I wrong … but I’ll stop 
there :)

 

 

On Oct 16, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  > wrote:

 

BTW, I don't think that most Americans realize that the last presidential 
debate was transmitted live across the world, many nations, with direct 
real-time translators .

 

Put that in perspective of the folks of the world, each one hearing the words, 
and interpreting them in context of their culture, their believes and their 
understanding on what USA is all about... ... I cringe !

 

 

Regards.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
 

 


  _  


From: "Jaime Solorza"  >
To: "Animal Farm"  >
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:37:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's wrong...looks like a 
GOP place... Still wrong... Just came across the ticker tape Watch it 
become an ugly talking point...

 

On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  > wrote:



Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow up... It's like 
arguing with a drunk..

 

On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  > wrote:

Jamie, you are absolutely correct... 


The sad part of the whole affair is that,

 

The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving exactly in 
the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave this wayand 
obviously such folks don't see the irony in this, ..while the rest of the 
world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit when it comes to giving the rest 
of us lectures on Democracy, morality, humanity,  equal rights, respect for 
others etc etc .. !

 

:(

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  

Help-desk: (305)663-5518   Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net  

 


  _  


From: "Jaime Solorza"  >
To: "Animal Farm"  >
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it and the 
Japanese one as well.   Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my ability to 
understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader perspective... I 
think those of you that travel internationally can agree with me
..

 

On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  > wrote:



Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …


 

You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper a german is 
proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it is just loud 
and trashy.


 

If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

2016-10-16 Thread Jon Langeler

Another problem is some percentage of Americans shouldn't be allowed to vote. 
The criteria they use is not intellectual. 

And it's always the loudest, meanest, or most popular candidates that make it 
further. The balanced ones never get the public eye...

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Oct 16, 2016, at 7:50 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
> wrote:
> 
>  
>  
> One thing to remember during all of this.  People voted in 50 states.  Very 
> different states.  There were, at times, 10 other candidates on the 
> republican side - - and admitingly, one socialist on the other side. 
>  
> Those 50 states voted Trump in as the republican nominee.  There were several 
> other choices.  Trump is the one the majority voted in.
>  
> Don't forget that come Nov 8.
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
> his rallies
> 
> As an American it's hard to feel sorry for us. Nobody should. We have had it 
> better than any 0lace on the planet for so long that we make up strife. We 
> have become soft, and worse we have become lazy. The vast majority of our 
> population would have no problem living the lifestyle of those in that kids 
> movie with the little robot where we rode around one hoverchairs being fat. 
> We have an expectation that we will be spoofed 9ur ideals and our facts by 
> the media, this election is the tipping point where the media has become it's 
> own thing and has corrupted the status quo. I would bet 80 percent of our 
> population is not capable of critical thinking at this point considering the 
> vast majority of our acedemia (the last refuge of independent thought) is not 
> capable of it. If you want to feel sorry for anybody, feel sorry for the 
> majority of the planet who has become accustomed to riding the coat tails of 
> the US in one major way or another. If and when we fall, it will be a 
> disaster globally.
> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2016 5:51 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
> As a Canadian, I feel bad for Americans right now…. two major contenders for 
> President and they both have their “challenges” let’s say …. it’s a hot topic 
> for Canadians because it impacts us significantly for a lot of things ….  I’m 
> sick of hearing about it to be honest and several American friends are in the 
> same boat…
> 
> I will say though that this is common in my opinion … where you have nobody 
> “great” running for political office and you end up picking the one that you 
> feel will be the least useless … at least that was my personal opinion in the 
> last Canadian election of Prime Minister and boy was I wrong … but I’ll stop 
> there :)
> 
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
>> 
>> BTW, I don't think that most Americans realize that the last presidential 
>> debate was transmitted live across the world, many nations, with direct 
>> real-time translators .
>> 
>> Put that in perspective of the folks of the world, each one hearing the 
>> words, and interpreting them in context of their culture, their believes and 
>> their understanding on what USA is all about... ... I cringe !
>> 
>> 
>> Regards.
>> 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> 
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> 
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:37:25 PM
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
>> his rallies
>> Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's wrong...looks like a 
>> GOP place... Still wrong... Just came across the ticker tape Watch it 
>> become an ugly talking point...
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>> Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow up... It's like 
>> arguing with a drunk..
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>>> Jamie, you are absolutely correct... 
>>> 
>>> The sad part of the whole affair is that,
>>> 
>>> The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving exactly 
>>> in the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave this 
>>> wayand obviously such folks don't see the irony in this, ..while 
>>> the rest of the world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit when it comes 
>>> to giving the rest of us lectures on Democracy, morality, humanity,  equal 
>>> rights, respect for others etc etc .. !
>>> 
>>> 
>>> :(
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>> 
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Just had dinner at Red Iguana tonight...  they have the bestest flan I have 
ever tasted.
(Not sure if I will ever have enough energy to do AF again.  Perhaps.  Not 
ruling it out).


-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley

Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 4:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies


Salt Lake City has changed since the last time I was there.  May be time
for another Animal Farm.

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Stefon,
Salt Lake City’s hottest night club is called:
Trump’s P*ssy Grab
It has democrat midgets you can throw,
A cage full of undocumented Mexicans
And all the servers are naked former beauty pageant contestants
Or did you mean another Stefan?
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,assassination 
at his rallies


You do realize Stefan is in Germany, right?

Or maybe you are referring to the international cabal?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:50 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, 
assassination at his rallies


Would that be all the papers that met with the Clinton Campaign to 
organize the message?  They left serious new journalism a long time ago. 
Wikieleaks is a pain that way, showing the truth and all that.  The only 
ones the Clinton Campaign didn’t invite was Fox.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt
*Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:07 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, 
assassination at his rallies


Bild is no paper you should take as reference. It is just big letters and 
made for people who barely could read but don't understand.


But serious papers don't like Trump, too. Trump does give a very bad 
picture of US to other nations.




 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Ken Hohhof 
Datum: 16.10.2016 03:48 (GMT+01:00)
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination 
at his rallies

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

I got asked that question a lot in England last month.  They would ask who I 
think will win the election.  I answered nobody.  We all lose on this one.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 4:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

Meet several people from England this week in Vegas. First question was "who 
are you going to vote for?". After saying it is a pretty private thing in the 
US I said I know it is a disaster.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 5:46 PM Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

  BTW, I don't think that most Americans realize that the last presidential 
debate was transmitted live across the world, many nations, with direct 
real-time translators .

  Put that in perspective of the folks of the world, each one hearing the 
words, and interpreting them in context of their culture, their believes and 
their understanding on what USA is all about... ... I cringe !

  Regards.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

--

From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 

Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:37:25 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination 
at his rallies

Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's wrong...looks like 
a GOP place... Still wrong... Just came across the ticker tape Watch it 
become an ugly talking point...

On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow up... It's like 
arguing with a drunk..

  On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

Jamie, you are absolutely correct... 

The sad part of the whole affair is that,

The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving 
exactly in the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave this 
wayand obviously such folks don't see the irony in this, ..while the 
rest of the world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit when it comes to 
giving the rest of us lectures on Democracy, morality, humanity,  equal rights, 
respect for others etc etc .. !

:(

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

  From: "Jaime Solorza" 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, 
assassination at his rallies

  We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it 
and the Japanese one as well.   Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my 
ability to understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader 
perspective... I think those of you that travel internationally can agree with 
me
  ..

  On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:

Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …

You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper 
a german is proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it is 
just loud and trashy.

If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.

http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-auswirkungen

It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening 
in US. What is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to 
be elected. Clinton seems to be disliked by many. I wonder why the Republican 
Party could not find a person with a more solid appearence/behavior.

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Ken Hohhof
Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2016 22:43
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, 
assassination at his rallies

I hope Stefan is familiar with Stefon, the Bill Hader character on 
SNL, or he will be confused, insulted, or both.

Or did you mean yet another Stefon?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, 
assassination at his rallies

Stefon,

Salt Lake City’s hottest night club is

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/301147-cnn-president-airing-so-many-full-trump-rallies-was-a

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 7:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

I think there were actually 18 republican candidates. In the early going the 
style of DT pretty much sucked the oxygen out of the room. I think a lot of it 
was the press' focus on him, but in the end, it was really the republican 
voters that made the decision.

Republicans are well under half of the overall voter population. My personal 
theory was that too many rationally-minded republicans decided to sit out the 
primaries, or else they were legitimately split on "all the rest".

That's too bad, because in the end, they could have fixed the problem by only 
having 3 or at most, 6 candidates. If that had been the case, I think DT would 
not have gone past the first 5 primaries. DT did not get a majority in any of 
the early primaries; a classic case of split votes.

bp

On 10/16/2016 4:50 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

One thing to remember during all of this.  People voted in 50 states.  Very 
different states.  There were, at times, 10 other candidates on the republican 
side - - and admitingly, one socialist on the other side.  

Those 50 states voted Trump in as the republican nominee.  There were several 
other choices.  Trump is the one the majority voted in.

Don't forget that come Nov 8.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

There is a theoretical chance we could still get Jeb Bush.  But a third party 
would have to rob Hillary of enough votes to prevent her from hitting 270.  

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 4:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

As a Canadian, I feel bad for Americans right now…. two major contenders for 
President and they both have their “challenges” let’s say …. it’s a hot topic 
for Canadians because it impacts us significantly for a lot of things ….  I’m 
sick of hearing about it to be honest and several American friends are in the 
same boat… 

I will say though that this is common in my opinion … where you have nobody 
“great” running for political office and you end up picking the one that you 
feel will be the least useless … at least that was my personal opinion in the 
last Canadian election of Prime Minister and boy was I wrong … but I’ll stop 
there :)

  On Oct 16, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

  BTW, I don't think that most Americans realize that the last presidential 
debate was transmitted live across the world, many nations, with direct 
real-time translators .

  Put that in perspective of the folks of the world, each one hearing the 
words, and interpreting them in context of their culture, their believes and 
their understanding on what USA is all about... ... I cringe !

  Regards.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

--

From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:37:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination 
at his rallies

Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's wrong...looks like 
a GOP place... Still wrong... Just came across the ticker tape Watch it 
become an ugly talking point...

On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow up... It's like 
arguing with a drunk..

  On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

Jamie, you are absolutely correct... 

The sad part of the whole affair is that,

The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving 
exactly in the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave this 
wayand obviously such folks don't see the irony in this, ..while the 
rest of the world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit when it comes to 
giving the rest of us lectures on Democracy, morality, humanity,  equal rights, 
respect for others etc etc .. !

:(

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

  From: "Jaime Solorza" 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, 
assassination at his rallies

  We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it 
and the Japanese one as well.   Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my 
ability to understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader 
perspective... I think those of you that travel internationally can agree with 
me
  ..

  On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:

Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …

You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper 
a german is proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it is 
just loud and trashy.

If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.

http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-auswirkungen

It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening 
in US. What is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to 
be elected. Clinton seems to be disliked by many. I wonder why the Republican 
Party could not find a person with a more solid appearence/behavior.

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Ken Hohhof
Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2016 22:43
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, 
assassination at

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

I am considering trying Sony on the Roku.  I already have Sling TV and have 
tried several others.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 4:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

I have my Roku attached to a switch that uses an NS2M to connect to our house 
WAP. Works fine.

So maybe they have a crappy WiFi interface?

bp

On 10/16/2016 2:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

  Roku on wireless is questionable, mine is wired,

  On Oct 16, 2016 4:07 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

See that’s kinda funny for me… I have several Roku boxes and my experience 
with all of them has been garbage…. 

Netflix is probably the most dependable app but even with it I’ve had some 
weird things go on … Plex I have issues with every so often (audio out of sync 
for example).  When I try the same “programming” on Apple TV or PS4 I have zero 
issues.  It got to the point where I just packed them all up into a box and 
threw them into a storage bin … only recently did I pull out a Roku 2 and Roku 
3 to test an app from a competitor offering IPTV via Roku - it sucked badly too 
and other people trialling the service were having issues too … 

  On Oct 16, 2016, at 12:20 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  Roku is just an amazing nail on the head device. I still run the old xd 
it still updates, the apps still update, it's got the supported dev channels. 
That's probably one of the most elegantly perfect pieces of electronic in my 
home

  On Oct 16, 2016 10:49 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

The problem with whatever app is on the TV (or if there is an app), is 
that if the TV is more than 1 year old, it will never be updated again.

The Netflix app on our (now) 5 year old LG is a poor example of how 
Netflix should actually work (or any of the online streaming services for that 
matter). I didn't realize how poor until we installed a ROKU 2, and found out 
what a reasonably modern implementation looked like.

bp

On 10/15/2016 10:10 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the 
procedure to update the app on the smart TV?

  Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot 
of the early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

I think there were actually 18 republican candidates. In the early going 
the style of DT pretty much sucked the oxygen out of the room. I think a 
lot of it was the press' focus on him, but in the end, it was really the 
republican voters that made the decision.


Republicans are well under half of the overall voter population. My 
personal theory was that too many rationally-minded republicans decided 
to sit out the primaries, or else they were legitimately split on "all 
the rest".


That's too bad, because in the end, they could have fixed the problem by 
only having 3 or at most, 6 candidates. If that had been the case, I 
think DT would not have gone past the first 5 primaries. DT did not get 
a majority in any of the early primaries; a classic case of split votes.



bp


On 10/16/2016 4:50 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
One thing to remember during all of this. People voted in 50 states.  
Very different states.  There were, at times, 10 other candidates on 
the republican side - - and admitingly, one socialist on the other side.
Those 50 states voted Trump in as the republican nominee.  There were 
several other choices.  Trump is the one the majority voted in.

Don't forget that come Nov 8.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

I looked at that email.  I didn't recognize any names on it.  Frankly, I 
wondered why CNBC was even on it.
Overlooking the debate they did, I rarely see any political commentary on there 
at all.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Jason McKemie 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

  Not even close. People like to argue that it is the same thing slanted right 
as any other news source is slanted left, but that simply isn't the case.

  I'm not going to say other news sources do their supposed job and don't have 
a slant, but Fox "News" is so far off the reservation it is ridiculous.

  On Sunday, October 16, 2016, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

Was fox ever an actual news entity?

On Oct 16, 2016 1:50 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

  Would that be all the papers that met with the Clinton Campaign to 
organize the message?  They left serious new journalism a long time ago.  
Wikieleaks is a pain that way, showing the truth and all that.  The only ones 
the Clinton Campaign didn’t invite was Fox.  

  Rory

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
  Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:07 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination 
at his rallies

  Bild is no paper you should take as reference. It is just big letters and 
made for people who barely could read but don't understand.

  But serious papers don't like Trump, too. Trump does give a very bad 
picture of US to other nations. 

   Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
  Von: Ken Hohhof  
  Datum: 16.10.2016 03:48 (GMT+01:00) 
  An: af@afmug.com 
  Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination 
at his rallies

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies



One thing to remember during all of this.  People voted in 50 states.  Very 
different states.  There were, at times, 10 other candidates on the republican 
side - - and admitingly, one socialist on the other side.  

Those 50 states voted Trump in as the republican nominee.  There were several 
other choices.  Trump is the one the majority voted in.

Don't forget that come Nov 8.


  - Original Message - 
  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies


  As an American it's hard to feel sorry for us. Nobody should. We have had it 
better than any 0lace on the planet for so long that we make up strife. We have 
become soft, and worse we have become lazy. The vast majority of our population 
would have no problem living the lifestyle of those in that kids movie with the 
little robot where we rode around one hoverchairs being fat. We have an 
expectation that we will be spoofed 9ur ideals and our facts by the media, this 
election is the tipping point where the media has become it's own thing and has 
corrupted the status quo. I would bet 80 percent of our population is not 
capable of critical thinking at this point considering the vast majority of our 
acedemia (the last refuge of independent thought) is not capable of it. If you 
want to feel sorry for anybody, feel sorry for the majority of the planet who 
has become accustomed to riding the coat tails of the US in one major way or 
another. If and when we fall, it will be a disaster globally.



  On Oct 16, 2016 5:51 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

As a Canadian, I feel bad for Americans right now…. two major contenders 
for President and they both have their “challenges” let’s say …. it’s a hot 
topic for Canadians because it impacts us significantly for a lot of things ….  
I’m sick of hearing about it to be honest and several American friends are in 
the same boat…


I will say though that this is common in my opinion … where you have nobody 
“great” running for political office and you end up picking the one that you 
feel will be the least useless … at least that was my personal opinion in the 
last Canadian election of Prime Minister and boy was I wrong … but I’ll stop 
there :)




  On Oct 16, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:


  BTW, I don't think that most Americans realize that the last presidential 
debate was transmitted live across the world, many nations, with direct 
real-time translators .


  Put that in perspective of the folks of the world, each one hearing the 
words, and interpreting them in context of their culture, their believes and 
their understanding on what USA is all about... ... I cringe !




  Regards.


  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



--

From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 

Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:37:25 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, 
assassination at his rallies

Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's wrong...looks 
like a GOP place... Still wrong... Just came across the ticker tape Watch 
it become an ugly talking point...



On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  
wrote:

  Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow up... It's 
like arguing with a drunk..



  On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  
wrote:

Jamie, you are absolutely correct... 

The sad part of the whole affair is that,


The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving 
exactly in the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave this 
wayand obviously such folks don't see the irony in this, ..while the 
rest of the world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit when it comes to 
giving the rest of us lectures on Democracy, morality, humanity,  equal rights, 
respect for others etc etc .. !



:(



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Jaime Solorza" 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies


just finished watching some talking heads (meet the press from this morning).  
Truthiness - at least I think so - had the audio tape not dropped last weekend 
(hey, thanks for that NBC), maybe wikileaks would be the dominant story this 
week

thoughts?

Yes, Meet the Press moderator Chuck Todd actually said this.  and I'm not anti 
Chuck Todd - - I just try to catch a little from both sides inbetween my normal 
internet nonsense.

Speaking of which, I tried to spend 10 minutes on reddit last night.

Wow.

I caught myself acting like a frog saying ribbit...


  - Original Message - 
  From: Faisal Imtiaz 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies


  It is definitely getting harder and harder to figure out how much of it is 
self inflicted  to create attention, and how much of it is from the crazies 
from the other side... overall not very healthy for everyone... 


  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



--

From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:37:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination 
at his rallies

Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's wrong...looks like 
a GOP place... Still wrong... Just came across the ticker tape Watch it 
become an ugly talking point...



On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow up... It's like 
arguing with a drunk..



  On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

Jamie, you are absolutely correct... 

The sad part of the whole affair is that,


The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving 
exactly in the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave this 
wayand obviously such folks don't see the irony in this, ..while the 
rest of the world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit when it comes to 
giving the rest of us lectures on Democracy, morality, humanity,  equal rights, 
respect for others etc etc .. !



:(



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Jaime Solorza" 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, 
assassination at his rallies

  We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it 
and the Japanese one as well.   Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my 
ability to understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader 
perspective... I think those of you that travel internationally can agree with 
me
  ..



  On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:

Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …



You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper 
a german is proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it is 
just loud and trashy.



If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.


http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-auswirkungen



It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening 
in US. What is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to 
be elected. Clinton seems to be disliked by many. I wonder why the Republican 
Party could not find a person with a more solid appearence/behavior.







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Ken Hohhof
Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2016 22:43
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, 
assassination at his rallies



I hope Stefan is familiar with Stefon, the Bill Hader character on 
SNL, or he will be confused, insulted, or both.

Or did you mean yet another Stefon?





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, 
assassination at his rallies



Stefon,



Salt Lake City’s hottest night club is

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

2016-10-16 Thread Jason McKemie

Not even close. People like to argue that it is the same thing slanted
right as any other news source is slanted left, but that simply isn't the
case.

I'm not going to say other news sources do their supposed job and don't
have a slant, but Fox "News" is so far off the reservation it is ridiculous.

On Sunday, October 16, 2016, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Was fox ever an actual news entity?
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 1:50 PM, "Rory Conaway"  > wrote:
>
>> Would that be all the papers that met with the Clinton Campaign to
>> organize the message?  They left serious new journalism a long time ago.
>> Wikieleaks is a pain that way, showing the truth and all that.  The only
>> ones the Clinton Campaign didn’t invite was Fox.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Stefan
>> Englhardt
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:07 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
>> assassination at his rallies
>>
>>
>>
>> Bild is no paper you should take as reference. It is just big letters and
>> made for people who barely could read but don't understand.
>>
>> But serious papers don't like Trump, too. Trump does give a very bad
>> picture of US to other nations.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
>> Von: Ken Hohhof > >
>> Datum: 16.10.2016 03:48 (GMT+01:00)
>> An: af@afmug.com 
>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination
>> at his rallies
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

You are correct Ken.. Google Translate sucks big time The funniest part
is when the unknown voter says the orange man will make Russia great again
and it parodies Putin bare chested on horse.Trump will build a wall to
keep out beauty queens... Dry satire...

On Oct 16, 2016 5:03 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

It’s been almost 50 years since I lived in Argentina, so I decided to check
and see what the newspapers there are reporting about it.  Today’s La
Prensa had nothing, lots of Pope news though.  La Nacion reported the
opinion of that typical American … Homer Simpson.  I can’t really read
Spanish anymore, so I tried Google Translate, which I see still sucks.



https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en=es=http:/
/www.lanacion.com.ar/1947615-los-simpsons-homero-putin-donald-trump-eeuu





*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:53 PM

*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination
at his rallies



Meet several people from England this week in Vegas. First question was
"who are you going to vote for?". After saying it is a pretty private thing
in the US I said I know it is a disaster.



On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 5:46 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

BTW, I don't think that most Americans realize that the last presidential
debate was transmitted live across the world, many nations, with direct
real-time translators .



Put that in perspective of the folks of the world, each one hearing the
words, and interpreting them in context of their culture, their believes
and their understanding on what USA is all about... ... I cringe !





Regards.



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

*From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 

*Sent: *Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:37:25 PM


*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination
at his rallies

Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's wrong...looks like
a GOP place... Still wrong... Just came across the ticker tape Watch it
become an ugly talking point...



On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow up... It's like
arguing with a drunk..



On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

Jamie, you are absolutely correct...


The sad part of the whole affair is that,



The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving exactly
in the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave this
wayand obviously such folks don't see the irony in this, ..while
the rest of the world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit when it comes
to giving the rest of us lectures on Democracy, morality, humanity,  equal
rights, respect for others etc etc .. !



:(



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

*From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination
at his rallies

We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it and the
Japanese one as well.   Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my ability
to understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader
perspective... I think those of you that travel internationally can agree
with me
..



On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:

Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …



You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper a german
is proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it is just
loud and trashy.



If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.

http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-
hillary-clinton-auswirkungen



It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening in US.
What is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to be
elected. Clinton seems to be disliked by many. I wonder why the Republican
Party could not find a person with a more solid appearence/behavior.







*Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Ken Hohhof
*Gesendet:* Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2016 22:43
*An:* af@afmug.com
*Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination
at his rallies



I hope Stefan is familiar with Stefon, the Bill Hader character on SNL, or
he will be confused, insulted, or both.

Or did you mean yet another Stefon?





*From:* Af

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

As an American it's hard to feel sorry for us. Nobody should. We have had
it better than any 0lace on the planet for so long that we make up strife.
We have become soft, and worse we have become lazy. The vast majority of
our population would have no problem living the lifestyle of those in that
kids movie with the little robot where we rode around one hoverchairs being
fat. We have an expectation that we will be spoofed 9ur ideals and our
facts by the media, this election is the tipping point where the media has
become it's own thing and has corrupted the status quo. I would bet 80
percent of our population is not capable of critical thinking at this point
considering the vast majority of our acedemia (the last refuge of
independent thought) is not capable of it. If you want to feel sorry for
anybody, feel sorry for the majority of the planet who has become
accustomed to riding the coat tails of the US in one major way or another.
If and when we fall, it will be a disaster globally.

On Oct 16, 2016 5:51 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

As a Canadian, I feel bad for Americans right now…. two major contenders
for President and they both have their “challenges” let’s say …. it’s a hot
topic for Canadians because it impacts us significantly for a lot of things
….  I’m sick of hearing about it to be honest and several American friends
are in the same boat…

I will say though that this is common in my opinion … where you have nobody
“great” running for political office and you end up picking the one that
you feel will be the least useless … at least that was my personal opinion
in the last Canadian election of Prime Minister and boy was I wrong … but
I’ll stop there :)

On Oct 16, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

BTW, I don't think that most Americans realize that the last presidential
debate was transmitted live across the world, many nations, with direct
real-time translators .

Put that in perspective of the folks of the world, each one hearing the
words, and interpreting them in context of their culture, their believes
and their understanding on what USA is all about... ... I cringe !

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

--

*From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:37:25 PM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination
at his rallies

Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's wrong...looks like
a GOP place... Still wrong... Just came across the ticker tape Watch it
become an ugly talking point...

On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow up... It's like
arguing with a drunk..

On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> Jamie, you are absolutely correct...
>
> The sad part of the whole affair is that,
>
> The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving
> exactly in the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave
> this wayand obviously such folks don't see the irony in this,
> ..while the rest of the world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit
> when it comes to giving the rest of us lectures on Democracy, morality,
> humanity,  equal rights, respect for others etc etc .. !
>
>
> :(
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
> We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it and the
> Japanese one as well.   Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my ability
> to understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader
> perspective... I think those of you that travel internationally can agree
> with me
> ..
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:
>
>> Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …
>>
>>
>> You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper a
>> german is proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it
>> is just loud and trashy.
>>
>>
>> If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.
>>
>> http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-
>> hillary-clinton-auswirkungen
>>
>>
>> It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening in US.
>> What is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to be
>>

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

Makes a huge difference

On Oct 16, 2016 5:52 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

> Hmm… now that’s interesting … let me try wired sometime just for fun ….
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> I have my Roku attached to a switch that uses an NS2M to connect to our
> house WAP. Works fine.
>
> So maybe they have a crappy WiFi interface?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/16/2016 2:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> Roku on wireless is questionable, mine is wired,
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 4:07 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
>
>> See that’s kinda funny for me… I have several Roku boxes and my
>> experience with all of them has been garbage….
>>
>> Netflix is probably the most dependable app but even with it I’ve had
>> some weird things go on … Plex I have issues with every so often (audio out
>> of sync for example).  When I try the same “programming” on Apple TV or PS4
>> I have zero issues.  It got to the point where I just packed them all up
>> into a box and threw them into a storage bin … only recently did I pull out
>> a Roku 2 and Roku 3 to test an app from a competitor offering IPTV via Roku
>> - it sucked badly too and other people trialling the service were having
>> issues too …
>>
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 12:20 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Roku is just an amazing nail on the head device. I still run the old xd
>> it still updates, the apps still update, it's got the supported dev
>> channels. That's probably one of the most elegantly perfect pieces of
>> electronic in my home
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 10:49 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> The problem with whatever app is on the TV (or if there is an app), is
>>> that if the TV is more than 1 year old, it will never be updated again.
>>>
>>> The Netflix app on our (now) 5 year old LG is a poor example of how
>>> Netflix should actually work (or any of the online streaming services for
>>> that matter). I didn't realize how poor until we installed a ROKU 2, and
>>> found out what a reasonably modern implementation looked like.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/15/2016 10:10 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the
>>> procedure to update the app on the smart TV?
>>>
>>>
>>> Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of
>>> the early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

It’s been almost 50 years since I lived in Argentina, so I decided to check and 
see what the newspapers there are reporting about it.  Today’s La Prensa had 
nothing, lots of Pope news though.  La Nacion reported the opinion of that 
typical American … Homer Simpson.  I can’t really read Spanish anymore, so I 
tried Google Translate, which I see still sucks.

 

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en 

 
=es=http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1947615-los-simpsons-homero-putin-donald-trump-eeuu

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

 

Meet several people from England this week in Vegas. First question was "who 
are you going to vote for?". After saying it is a pretty private thing in the 
US I said I know it is a disaster.

 

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 5:46 PM Faisal Imtiaz  > wrote:

BTW, I don't think that most Americans realize that the last presidential 
debate was transmitted live across the world, many nations, with direct 
real-time translators .

 

Put that in perspective of the folks of the world, each one hearing the words, 
and interpreting them in context of their culture, their believes and their 
understanding on what USA is all about... ... I cringe !

 

 

Regards.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
 

 


  _  


From: "Jaime Solorza"  >
To: "Animal Farm"  >

Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:37:25 PM


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's wrong...looks like a 
GOP place... Still wrong... Just came across the ticker tape Watch it 
become an ugly talking point...

 

On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  > wrote:

Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow up... It's like 
arguing with a drunk..

 

On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  > wrote:

Jamie, you are absolutely correct... 


The sad part of the whole affair is that,

 

The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving exactly in 
the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave this wayand 
obviously such folks don't see the irony in this, ..while the rest of the 
world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit when it comes to giving the rest 
of us lectures on Democracy, morality, humanity,  equal rights, respect for 
others etc etc .. !

 

:(

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  

Help-desk: (305)663-5518   Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net  

 


  _  


From: "Jaime Solorza"  >
To: "Animal Farm"  >
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it and the 
Japanese one as well.   Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my ability to 
understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader perspective... I 
think those of you that travel internationally can agree with me
..

 

On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  > wrote:

Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …

 

You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper a german is 
proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it is just loud 
and trashy.

 

If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.

 

 
http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-auswirkungen

 

It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening in US. What 
is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to be elected. 
Clinton seems to be disliked by many. I wonder why the Republican Party could 
not find a person with a more solid appearence/behavior.

 

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] Im Auftrag 
von Ken Hohhof
Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2016 22:43
An:

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

I am approaching overload level as wellbut waiting to see what drops next 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Paul Stewart" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his 
rallies
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 5:51 PM

As a Canadian, I feel bad for Americans right now…. two major contenders for 
President and they both have their “challenges” let’s say …. it’s a hot topic 
for Canadians because it impacts us significantly for a lot of things ….  I’m 
sick of hearing about it to be honest and several American friends are in the 
same boat…
I will say though that this is common in my opinion … where you have nobody 
“great” running for political office and you end up picking the one that you 
feel will be the least useless … at least that was my personal opinion in the 
last Canadian election of Prime Minister and boy was I wrong … but I’ll stop 
there :)

On Oct 16, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
BTW, I don't think that most Americans realize that the last presidential 
debate was transmitted live across the world, many nations, with direct 
real-time translators ..

Put that in perspective of the folks of the world, each one hearing the words, 
and interpreting them in context of their culture, their believes and their 
understanding on what USA is all about...  I cringe !

Regards.

Faisal ImtiazSnappy Internet & Telecom7266 SW 48 StreetMiami, FL 33155Tel: 305 
663 5518 x 232Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net

From: "Jaime Solorza" To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:37:25 PMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 
Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies
Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's wrong...looks like a 
GOP place... Still wrong... Just came across the ticker tape Watch it 
become an ugly talking point...On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their 
heads blow up... It's like arguing with a drunk..
On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
Jamie, you are absolutely correct... 
The sad part of the whole affair is that,
The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving exactly in 
the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave this wayand 
obviously such folks don't see the irony in this, ..while the rest of the 
world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit when it comes to giving the rest 
of us lectures on Democracy, morality, humanity,  equal rights, respect for 
others etc etc .. !
:(
Faisal ImtiazSnappy Internet & Telecom7266 SW 48 StreetMiami, FL 33155Tel: 305 
663 5518 x 232Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net
From: "Jaime Solorza" To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PMSubject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 
Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies
We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it and the 
Japanese one as well.   Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my ability to 
understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader perspective... I 
think those of you that travel internationally can agree with me ..On Oct 16, 
2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:Never heard of Stefon. 
Just googling for him and learning now … 
You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper a german is 
proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it is just loud 
and trashy. 
If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read 
e.g.http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-auswirkungen

It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening in US. What 
is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to be elected. 
Clinton seems to be disliked by many. I wonder why the Republican Party could 
not find a person with a more solid appearence/behavior. 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Ken HohhofGesendet: 
Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2016 22:43An: af@afmug.comBetreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's 
supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

I hope Stefan is familiar with Stefon, the Bill Hader character on SNL, or he 
will be confused, insulted, or both.Or did you mean yet another Stefon? 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of chuck@wbmfg.comSent: 
Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:37 PMTo: af@afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. 
Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Stefon,

Salt Lake City’s hottest night club is called:
Trump’s P*ssy Grab
It has democrat midgets you can throw,
A cage full of undocumented Mexicans
And all the servers are naked former beauty pageant contestants

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Salt Lake City has changed since the last time I was there.  May be time 
for another Animal Farm.


ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Stefon,
Salt Lake City’s hottest night club is called:
Trump’s P*ssy Grab
It has democrat midgets you can throw,
A cage full of undocumented Mexicans
And all the servers are naked former beauty pageant contestants
Or did you mean another Stefan?
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk 
rebellion,assassination at his rallies


You do realize Stefan is in Germany, right?

Or maybe you are referring to the international cabal?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:50 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, 
assassination at his rallies


Would that be all the papers that met with the Clinton Campaign to 
organize the message?  They left serious new journalism a long time 
ago. Wikieleaks is a pain that way, showing the truth and all that.  
The only ones the Clinton Campaign didn’t invite was Fox.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt
*Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:07 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, 
assassination at his rallies


Bild is no paper you should take as reference. It is just big letters 
and made for people who barely could read but don't understand.


But serious papers don't like Trump, too. Trump does give a very bad 
picture of US to other nations.




 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Ken Hohhof 
Datum: 16.10.2016 03:48 (GMT+01:00)
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, 
assassination at his rallies

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

2016-10-16 Thread Lewis Bergman

Meet several people from England this week in Vegas. First question was
"who are you going to vote for?". After saying it is a pretty private thing
in the US I said I know it is a disaster.

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 5:46 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> BTW, I don't think that most Americans realize that the last presidential
> debate was transmitted live across the world, many nations, with direct
> real-time translators .
>
> Put that in perspective of the folks of the world, each one hearing the
> words, and interpreting them in context of their culture, their believes
> and their understanding on what USA is all about... ... I cringe !
>
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:37:25 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
> Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's wrong...looks like
> a GOP place... Still wrong... Just came across the ticker tape Watch it
> become an ugly talking point...
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow up... It's like
> arguing with a drunk..
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
> Jamie, you are absolutely correct...
>
> The sad part of the whole affair is that,
>
> The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving
> exactly in the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave
> this wayand obviously such folks don't see the irony in this,
> ..while the rest of the world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit
> when it comes to giving the rest of us lectures on Democracy, morality,
> humanity,  equal rights, respect for others etc etc .. !
>
>
> :(
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
> We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it and the
> Japanese one as well.   Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my ability
> to understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader
> perspective... I think those of you that travel internationally can agree
> with me
> ..
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:
>
> Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …
>
>
>
> You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper a
> german is proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it
> is just loud and trashy.
>
>
>
> If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.
>
>
> http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-auswirkungen
>
>
>
> It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening in US.
> What is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to be
> elected. Clinton seems to be disliked by many. I wonder why the Republican
> Party could not find a person with a more solid appearence/behavior.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Ken Hohhof
> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2016 22:43
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
>
>
> I hope Stefan is familiar with Stefon, the Bill Hader character on SNL, or
> he will be confused, insulted, or both.
>
> Or did you mean yet another Stefon?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
>
>
> Stefon,
>
>
>
> Salt Lake City’s hottest night club is called:
>
> Trump’s P*ssy Grab
>
> It has democrat midgets you can throw,
>
> A cage full of undocumented Mexicans
>
> And all the servers are naked former beauty pageant contestants
>
>
>
> Or did you mean another Stefan?
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:30 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk
> rebellion,assassination at his rallies
>
>
>
> You do realize Stefan is in Germany, right?
>
>
>
> Or maybe you are referring to the international cabal?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

Hmm… now that’s interesting … let me try wired sometime just for fun ….


> On Oct 16, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> I have my Roku attached to a switch that uses an NS2M to connect to our house 
> WAP. Works fine.
> 
> So maybe they have a crappy WiFi interface?
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 10/16/2016 2:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>> Roku on wireless is questionable, mine is wired,
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2016 4:07 PM, "Paul Stewart" > > wrote:
>> See that’s kinda funny for me… I have several Roku boxes and my experience 
>> with all of them has been garbage….
>> 
>> Netflix is probably the most dependable app but even with it I’ve had some 
>> weird things go on … Plex I have issues with every so often (audio out of 
>> sync for example).  When I try the same “programming” on Apple TV or PS4 I 
>> have zero issues.  It got to the point where I just packed them all up into 
>> a box and threw them into a storage bin … only recently did I pull out a 
>> Roku 2 and Roku 3 to test an app from a competitor offering IPTV via Roku - 
>> it sucked badly too and other people trialling the service were having 
>> issues too … 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 12:20 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Roku is just an amazing nail on the head device. I still run the old xd it 
>>> still updates, the apps still update, it's got the supported dev channels. 
>>> That's probably one of the most elegantly perfect pieces of electronic in 
>>> my home
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 16, 2016 10:49 AM, "Bill Prince" >> > wrote:
>>> The problem with whatever app is on the TV (or if there is an app), is that 
>>> if the TV is more than 1 year old, it will never be updated again.
>>> 
>>> The Netflix app on our (now) 5 year old LG is a poor example of how Netflix 
>>> should actually work (or any of the online streaming services for that 
>>> matter). I didn't realize how poor until we installed a ROKU 2, and found 
>>> out what a reasonably modern implementation looked like.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/15/2016 10:10 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
 In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the 
 procedure to update the app on the smart TV?
 
  
 Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of the 
 early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.
 
>>> 
>> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

As a Canadian, I feel bad for Americans right now…. two major contenders for 
President and they both have their “challenges” let’s say …. it’s a hot topic 
for Canadians because it impacts us significantly for a lot of things ….  I’m 
sick of hearing about it to be honest and several American friends are in the 
same boat…

I will say though that this is common in my opinion … where you have nobody 
“great” running for political office and you end up picking the one that you 
feel will be the least useless … at least that was my personal opinion in the 
last Canadian election of Prime Minister and boy was I wrong … but I’ll stop 
there :)


> On Oct 16, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> 
> BTW, I don't think that most Americans realize that the last presidential 
> debate was transmitted live across the world, many nations, with direct 
> real-time translators .
> 
> Put that in perspective of the folks of the world, each one hearing the 
> words, and interpreting them in context of their culture, their believes and 
> their understanding on what USA is all about... ... I cringe !
> 
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:37:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
> his rallies
> Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's wrong...looks like a 
> GOP place... Still wrong... Just came across the ticker tape Watch it 
> become an ugly talking point...
> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  > wrote:
> Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow up... It's like 
> arguing with a drunk..
> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  > wrote:
> Jamie, you are absolutely correct... 
> 
> The sad part of the whole affair is that,
> 
> The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving exactly 
> in the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave this 
> wayand obviously such folks don't see the irony in this, ..while the 
> rest of the world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit when it comes to 
> giving the rest of us lectures on Democracy, morality, humanity,  equal 
> rights, respect for others etc etc .. !
> 
> 
> :(
> 
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or Email: 
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> From: "Jaime Solorza"  >
> To: "Animal Farm" >
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
> his rallies
> We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it and the 
> Japanese one as well.   Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my ability to 
> understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader perspective... I 
> think those of you that travel internationally can agree with me
> ..
> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  > wrote:
>  <>Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …
> 
>  
> You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper a german 
> is proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it is just 
> loud and trashy.
> 
>  
> If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.
> 
> http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-auswirkungen
>  
> 
>  
> It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening in US. 
> What is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to be 
> elected. Clinton seems to be disliked by many. I wonder why the Republican 
> Party could not find a person with a more solid appearence/behavior.
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im 
> Auftrag von Ken Hohhof
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2016 22:43
> An: af@afmug.com 
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
> his rallies
> 
>  
> I hope Stefan is familiar with Stefon, the Bill Hader character on SNL, or he 
> will be confused, insulted, or both.
> 
> Or did you mean yet another Stefon?
> 
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

Yeah I’m unique as I’m told often haha ;)

For content like Netflix, it’s all on-net via cache clusters … Plex is local 
via wifi (and it’s not wifi - I tested it thoroughly to make sure) …. the other 
app (IPTV from competitor) they say they have very few issues but in their 
customer forums it seems like a different story …. 

Maybe I need to factory default them or something - they are running latest 
software etc but maybe something over time is causing the issues … have no idea

Cheers,
Paul


> On Oct 16, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> 
> How close are you, network wise, to the various CDNs that these would use?
> 
> You are literally the first person I have talked to that had problems with a 
> roku.
> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2016 4:07 PM, "Paul Stewart"  > wrote:
> See that’s kinda funny for me… I have several Roku boxes and my experience 
> with all of them has been garbage….
> 
> Netflix is probably the most dependable app but even with it I’ve had some 
> weird things go on … Plex I have issues with every so often (audio out of 
> sync for example).  When I try the same “programming” on Apple TV or PS4 I 
> have zero issues.  It got to the point where I just packed them all up into a 
> box and threw them into a storage bin … only recently did I pull out a Roku 2 
> and Roku 3 to test an app from a competitor offering IPTV via Roku - it 
> sucked badly too and other people trialling the service were having issues 
> too … 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2016, at 12:20 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Roku is just an amazing nail on the head device. I still run the old xd it 
>> still updates, the apps still update, it's got the supported dev channels. 
>> That's probably one of the most elegantly perfect pieces of electronic in my 
>> home
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 16, 2016 10:49 AM, "Bill Prince" > > wrote:
>> The problem with whatever app is on the TV (or if there is an app), is that 
>> if the TV is more than 1 year old, it will never be updated again.
>> 
>> The Netflix app on our (now) 5 year old LG is a poor example of how Netflix 
>> should actually work (or any of the online streaming services for that 
>> matter). I didn't realize how poor until we installed a ROKU 2, and found 
>> out what a reasonably modern implementation looked like.
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/15/2016 10:10 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>> In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the procedure 
>>> to update the app on the smart TV?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of the 
>>> early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.
>>> 
>> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

2016-10-16 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

BTW, I don't think that most Americans realize that the last presidential 
debate was transmitted live across the world, many nations, with direct 
real-time translators . 

Put that in perspective of the folks of the world, each one hearing the words, 
and interpreting them in context of their culture, their believes and their 
understanding on what USA is all about... ... I cringe ! 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:37:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
> his
> rallies

> Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's wrong...looks like a 
> GOP
> place... Still wrong... Just came across the ticker tape Watch it become 
> an
> ugly talking point...

> On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote:

>> Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow up... It's like 
>> arguing
>> with a drunk..

>> On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:

>>> Jamie, you are absolutely correct...

>>> The sad part of the whole affair is that,

>>> The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving exactly 
>>> in
>>> the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave this wayand
>>> obviously such folks don't see the irony in this, ..while the rest of 
>>> the
>>> world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit when it comes to giving the 
>>> rest
>>> of us lectures on Democracy, morality, humanity, equal rights, respect for
>>> others etc etc .. !

>>> :(

>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com >
 To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com >
 Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination 
 at his
 rallies

 We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it and the
 Japanese one as well. Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my ability to
 understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader 
 perspective... I
 think those of you that travel internationally can agree with me
 ..

 On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt" < s...@genias.net > wrote:

> Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …

> You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper a 
> german is
> proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it is just 
> loud
> and trashy.

> If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.

> http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-auswirkungen

> It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening in US. 
> What
> is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to be 
> elected.
> Clinton seems to be disliked by many. I wonder why the Republican Party 
> could
> not find a person with a more solid appearence/behavior.

> Von: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Ken Hohhof
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2016 22:43
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination 
> at his
> rallies

> I hope Stefan is familiar with Stefon, the Bill Hader character on SNL, 
> or he
> will be confused, insulted, or both.

> Or did you mean yet another Stefon?

> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:37 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination 
> at his
> rallies

> Stefon,

> Salt Lake City’s hottest night club is called:

> Trump’s P*ssy Grab

> It has democrat midgets you can throw,

> A cage full of undocumented Mexicans

> And all the servers are naked former beauty pageant contestants

> Or did you mean another Stefan?

> From: Ken Hohhof

> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:30 PM

> To: af@afmug.com

> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,assassination 
> at his
> rallies

> You do realize Stefan is in Germany, right?

> Or maybe you are referring to the international cabal?

> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:50 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination 
> at his
> rallies

>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

2016-10-16 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

It is definitely getting harder and harder to figure out how much of it is self 
inflicted to create attention, and how much of it is from the crazies from the 
other side... overall not very healthy for everyone... 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 6:37:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
> his
> rallies

> Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's wrong...looks like a 
> GOP
> place... Still wrong... Just came across the ticker tape Watch it become 
> an
> ugly talking point...

> On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote:

>> Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow up... It's like 
>> arguing
>> with a drunk..

>> On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:

>>> Jamie, you are absolutely correct...

>>> The sad part of the whole affair is that,

>>> The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving exactly 
>>> in
>>> the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave this wayand
>>> obviously such folks don't see the irony in this, ..while the rest of 
>>> the
>>> world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit when it comes to giving the 
>>> rest
>>> of us lectures on Democracy, morality, humanity, equal rights, respect for
>>> others etc etc .. !

>>> :(

>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com >
 To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com >
 Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination 
 at his
 rallies

 We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it and the
 Japanese one as well. Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my ability to
 understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader 
 perspective... I
 think those of you that travel internationally can agree with me
 ..

 On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt" < s...@genias.net > wrote:

> Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …

> You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper a 
> german is
> proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it is just 
> loud
> and trashy.

> If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.

> http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-auswirkungen

> It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening in US. 
> What
> is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to be 
> elected.
> Clinton seems to be disliked by many. I wonder why the Republican Party 
> could
> not find a person with a more solid appearence/behavior.

> Von: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Ken Hohhof
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2016 22:43
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination 
> at his
> rallies

> I hope Stefan is familiar with Stefon, the Bill Hader character on SNL, 
> or he
> will be confused, insulted, or both.

> Or did you mean yet another Stefon?

> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:37 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination 
> at his
> rallies

> Stefon,

> Salt Lake City’s hottest night club is called:

> Trump’s P*ssy Grab

> It has democrat midgets you can throw,

> A cage full of undocumented Mexicans

> And all the servers are naked former beauty pageant contestants

> Or did you mean another Stefan?

> From: Ken Hohhof

> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:30 PM

> To: af@afmug.com

> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,assassination 
> at his
> rallies

> You do realize Stefan is in Germany, right?

> Or maybe you are referring to the international cabal?

> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:50 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination 
> at his
> rallies

> Would that be all the papers that met with the Clinton Campaign to 
> organize the
> message? They left serious new journalism a long time ago. Wikieleaks is 
> a pain
> that way,

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

I have my Roku attached to a switch that uses an NS2M to connect to our 
house WAP. Works fine.


So maybe they have a crappy WiFi interface?


bp


On 10/16/2016 2:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:


Roku on wireless is questionable, mine is wired,


On Oct 16, 2016 4:07 PM, "Paul Stewart" > wrote:


See that’s kinda funny for me… I have several Roku boxes and my
experience with all of them has been garbage….

Netflix is probably the most dependable app but even with it I’ve
had some weird things go on … Plex I have issues with every so
often (audio out of sync for example).  When I try the same
“programming” on Apple TV or PS4 I have zero issues.  It got to
the point where I just packed them all up into a box and threw
them into a storage bin … only recently did I pull out a Roku 2
and Roku 3 to test an app from a competitor offering IPTV via Roku
- it sucked badly too and other people trialling the service were
having issues too …



On Oct 16, 2016, at 12:20 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> wrote:

Roku is just an amazing nail on the head device. I still run the
old xd it still updates, the apps still update, it's got the
supported dev channels. That's probably one of the most elegantly
perfect pieces of electronic in my home


On Oct 16, 2016 10:49 AM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:

The problem with whatever app is on the TV (or if there is an
app), is that if the TV is more than 1 year old, it will
never be updated again.

The Netflix app on our (now) 5 year old LG is a poor example
of how Netflix should actually work (or any of the online
streaming services for that matter). I didn't realize how
poor until we installed a ROKU 2, and found out what a
reasonably modern implementation looked like.


bp


On 10/15/2016 10:10 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


In your experience, does it help if the customer goes
through the procedure to update the app on the smart TV?

Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I
know a lot of the early ones also didn’t seem to play well
with certain WiFi routers.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Now the crazy folks are fire bombing offices That's wrong...looks like
a GOP place... Still wrong... Just came across the ticker tape Watch it
become an ugly talking point...

On Oct 16, 2016 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow up... It's like
arguing with a drunk..

On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> Jamie, you are absolutely correct...
>
> The sad part of the whole affair is that,
>
> The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving
> exactly in the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave
> this wayand obviously such folks don't see the irony in this,
> ..while the rest of the world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit
> when it comes to giving the rest of us lectures on Democracy, morality,
> humanity,  equal rights, respect for others etc etc .. !
>
>
> :(
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
> We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it and the
> Japanese one as well.   Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my ability
> to understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader
> perspective... I think those of you that travel internationally can agree
> with me
> ..
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:
>
>> Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …
>>
>>
>>
>> You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper a
>> german is proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it
>> is just loud and trashy.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.
>>
>> http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-hillar
>> y-clinton-auswirkungen
>>
>>
>>
>> It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening in US.
>> What is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to be
>> elected. Clinton seems to be disliked by many. I wonder why the Republican
>> Party could not find a person with a more solid appearence/behavior.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Ken Hohhof
>> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2016 22:43
>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
>> assassination at his rallies
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope Stefan is familiar with Stefon, the Bill Hader character on SNL,
>> or he will be confused, insulted, or both.
>>
>> Or did you mean yet another Stefon?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
>> assassination at his rallies
>>
>>
>>
>> Stefon,
>>
>>
>>
>> Salt Lake City’s hottest night club is called:
>>
>> Trump’s P*ssy Grab
>>
>> It has democrat midgets you can throw,
>>
>> A cage full of undocumented Mexicans
>>
>> And all the servers are naked former beauty pageant contestants
>>
>>
>>
>> Or did you mean another Stefan?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:30 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk
>> rebellion,assassination at his rallies
>>
>>
>>
>> You do realize Stefan is in Germany, right?
>>
>>
>>
>> Or maybe you are referring to the international cabal?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:50 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
>> assassination at his rallies
>>
>>
>>
>> Would that be all the papers that met with the Clinton Campaign to
>> organize the message?  They left serious new journalism a long time ago.
>> Wikieleaks is a pain that way, showing the truth and all that.  The only
>> ones the Clinton Campaign didn’t invite was Fox.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:07 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
>> assassination at his rallies
>>
>>
>>
>> Bild is no paper you should take as reference. It is just big letters and
>> made for people who barely could read but don't understand.
>>
>> But serious papers don't like Trump, too. Trump does give a very bad
>> picture of US to other nations.
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

2016-10-16 Thread Mike Hammett

If it's on the network he works for, it's substantial. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 4:34:17 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] "buffering" 


How close are you, network wise, to the various CDNs that these would use? 
You are literally the first person I have talked to that had problems with a 
roku. 


On Oct 16, 2016 4:07 PM, "Paul Stewart" < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote: 



See that’s kinda funny for me… I have several Roku boxes and my experience with 
all of them has been garbage…. 


Netflix is probably the most dependable app but even with it I’ve had some 
weird things go on … Plex I have issues with every so often (audio out of sync 
for example). When I try the same “programming” on Apple TV or PS4 I have zero 
issues. It got to the point where I just packed them all up into a box and 
threw them into a storage bin … only recently did I pull out a Roku 2 and Roku 
3 to test an app from a competitor offering IPTV via Roku - it sucked badly too 
and other people trialling the service were having issues too … 







On Oct 16, 2016, at 12:20 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com 
> wrote: 


Roku is just an amazing nail on the head device. I still run the old xd it 
still updates, the apps still update, it's got the supported dev channels. 
That's probably one of the most elegantly perfect pieces of electronic in my 
home 


On Oct 16, 2016 10:49 AM, "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 




The problem with whatever app is on the TV (or if there is an app), is that if 
the TV is more than 1 year old, it will never be updated again. 
The Netflix app on our (now) 5 year old LG is a poor example of how Netflix 
should actually work (or any of the online streaming services for that matter). 
I didn't realize how poor until we installed a ROKU 2, and found out what a 
reasonably modern implementation looked like. 

bp
 
On 10/15/2016 10:10 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 



In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the procedure to 
update the app on the smart TV? 

Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung. I know a lot of the early 
ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Yep... But don't make too much sense... Their heads blow up... It's like
arguing with a drunk..

On Oct 16, 2016 4:16 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> Jamie, you are absolutely correct...
>
> The sad part of the whole affair is that,
>
> The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving
> exactly in the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave
> this wayand obviously such folks don't see the irony in this,
> ..while the rest of the world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit
> when it comes to giving the rest of us lectures on Democracy, morality,
> humanity,  equal rights, respect for others etc etc .. !
>
>
> :(
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
> We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it and the
> Japanese one as well.   Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my ability
> to understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader
> perspective... I think those of you that travel internationally can agree
> with me
> ..
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:
>
>> Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …
>>
>>
>>
>> You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper a
>> german is proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it
>> is just loud and trashy.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.
>>
>> http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-
>> hillary-clinton-auswirkungen
>>
>>
>>
>> It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening in US.
>> What is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to be
>> elected. Clinton seems to be disliked by many. I wonder why the Republican
>> Party could not find a person with a more solid appearence/behavior.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Ken Hohhof
>> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2016 22:43
>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
>> assassination at his rallies
>>
>>
>>
>> I hope Stefan is familiar with Stefon, the Bill Hader character on SNL,
>> or he will be confused, insulted, or both.
>>
>> Or did you mean yet another Stefon?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
>> assassination at his rallies
>>
>>
>>
>> Stefon,
>>
>>
>>
>> Salt Lake City’s hottest night club is called:
>>
>> Trump’s P*ssy Grab
>>
>> It has democrat midgets you can throw,
>>
>> A cage full of undocumented Mexicans
>>
>> And all the servers are naked former beauty pageant contestants
>>
>>
>>
>> Or did you mean another Stefan?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:30 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk
>> rebellion,assassination at his rallies
>>
>>
>>
>> You do realize Stefan is in Germany, right?
>>
>>
>>
>> Or maybe you are referring to the international cabal?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:50 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
>> assassination at his rallies
>>
>>
>>
>> Would that be all the papers that met with the Clinton Campaign to
>> organize the message?  They left serious new journalism a long time ago.
>> Wikieleaks is a pain that way, showing the truth and all that.  The only
>> ones the Clinton Campaign didn’t invite was Fox.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:07 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
>> assassination at his rallies
>>
>>
>>
>> Bild is no paper you should take as reference. It is just big letters and
>> made for people who barely could read but don't understand.
>>
>> But serious papers don't like Trump, too. Trump does give a very bad
>> picture of US to other nations.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
>> Von: Ken Hohhof 
>> Datum: 16.10.2016 03:48 (GMT+01:00)
>> An: af@afmug.com
>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination
>> at his rallies
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

2016-10-16 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

Jamie, you are absolutely correct... 

The sad part of the whole affair is that, 

The folks who are loud in the current election process are behaving exactly in 
the same manner that we as a nation abhor when others behave this wayand 
obviously such folks don't see the irony in this, ..while the rest of the 
world is saying, hey USA you are full of Shit when it comes to giving the rest 
of us lectures on Democracy, morality, humanity, equal rights, respect for 
others etc etc .. ! 

:( 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 5:39:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
> his
> rallies

> We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it and the
> Japanese one as well. Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my ability to
> understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader perspective... I
> think those of you that travel internationally can agree with me
> ..

> On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt" < s...@genias.net > wrote:

>> Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …

>> You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper a german 
>> is
>> proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it is just loud
>> and trashy.

>> If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.

>> http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-auswirkungen

>> It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening in US. 
>> What
>> is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to be 
>> elected.
>> Clinton seems to be disliked by many. I wonder why the Republican Party could
>> not find a person with a more solid appearence/behavior.

>> Von: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Ken Hohhof
>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2016 22:43
>> An: af@afmug.com
>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
>> his
>> rallies

>> I hope Stefan is familiar with Stefon, the Bill Hader character on SNL, or he
>> will be confused, insulted, or both.

>> Or did you mean yet another Stefon?

>> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:37 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
>> his
>> rallies

>> Stefon,

>> Salt Lake City’s hottest night club is called:

>> Trump’s P*ssy Grab

>> It has democrat midgets you can throw,

>> A cage full of undocumented Mexicans

>> And all the servers are naked former beauty pageant contestants

>> Or did you mean another Stefan?

>> From: Ken Hohhof

>> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:30 PM

>> To: af@afmug.com

>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,assassination at 
>> his
>> rallies

>> You do realize Stefan is in Germany, right?

>> Or maybe you are referring to the international cabal?

>> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:50 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
>> his
>> rallies

>> Would that be all the papers that met with the Clinton Campaign to organize 
>> the
>> message? They left serious new journalism a long time ago. Wikieleaks is a 
>> pain
>> that way, showing the truth and all that. The only ones the Clinton Campaign
>> didn’t invite was Fox.

>> Rory

>> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
>> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:07 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
>> his
>> rallies

>> Bild is no paper you should take as reference. It is just big letters and 
>> made
>> for people who barely could read but don't understand.

>> But serious papers don't like Trump, too. Trump does give a very bad picture 
>> of
>> US to other nations.

>>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
>> Von: Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com >
>> Datum: 16.10.2016 03:48 (GMT+01:00)
>> An: af@afmug.com
>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
>> his
>> rallies

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

We used to get DW news on our old cable news line up... I liked it and the
Japanese one as well.   Still watch BBC on satellite... I think my ability
to understand several languages gives me an advantage...broader
perspective... I think those of you that travel internationally can agree
with me
..

On Oct 16, 2016 3:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:

> Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …
>
>
>
> You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper a
> german is proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it
> is just loud and trashy.
>
>
>
> If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.
>
> http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-
> hillary-clinton-auswirkungen
>
>
>
> It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening in US.
> What is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to be
> elected. Clinton seems to be disliked by many. I wonder why the Republican
> Party could not find a person with a more solid appearence/behavior.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Ken Hohhof
> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2016 22:43
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
>
>
> I hope Stefan is familiar with Stefon, the Bill Hader character on SNL, or
> he will be confused, insulted, or both.
>
> Or did you mean yet another Stefon?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
>
>
> Stefon,
>
>
>
> Salt Lake City’s hottest night club is called:
>
> Trump’s P*ssy Grab
>
> It has democrat midgets you can throw,
>
> A cage full of undocumented Mexicans
>
> And all the servers are naked former beauty pageant contestants
>
>
>
> Or did you mean another Stefan?
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:30 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk
> rebellion,assassination at his rallies
>
>
>
> You do realize Stefan is in Germany, right?
>
>
>
> Or maybe you are referring to the international cabal?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
>
>
> Would that be all the papers that met with the Clinton Campaign to
> organize the message?  They left serious new journalism a long time ago.
> Wikieleaks is a pain that way, showing the truth and all that.  The only
> ones the Clinton Campaign didn’t invite was Fox.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:07 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
>
>
> Bild is no paper you should take as reference. It is just big letters and
> made for people who barely could read but don't understand.
>
> But serious papers don't like Trump, too. Trump does give a very bad
> picture of US to other nations.
>
>
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Ken Hohhof 
> Datum: 16.10.2016 03:48 (GMT+01:00)
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination
> at his rallies
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Suprisingly, mother Jones has some unbiased material

On Oct 16, 2016 4:30 PM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:

> Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …
>
>
>
> You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper a
> german is proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it
> is just loud and trashy.
>
>
>
> If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.
>
> http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-
> hillary-clinton-auswirkungen
>
>
>
> It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening in US.
> What is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to be
> elected. Clinton seems to be disliked by many. I wonder why the Republican
> Party could not find a person with a more solid appearence/behavior.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Ken Hohhof
> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2016 22:43
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
>
>
> I hope Stefan is familiar with Stefon, the Bill Hader character on SNL, or
> he will be confused, insulted, or both.
>
> Or did you mean yet another Stefon?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
>
>
> Stefon,
>
>
>
> Salt Lake City’s hottest night club is called:
>
> Trump’s P*ssy Grab
>
> It has democrat midgets you can throw,
>
> A cage full of undocumented Mexicans
>
> And all the servers are naked former beauty pageant contestants
>
>
>
> Or did you mean another Stefan?
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:30 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk
> rebellion,assassination at his rallies
>
>
>
> You do realize Stefan is in Germany, right?
>
>
>
> Or maybe you are referring to the international cabal?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
>
>
> Would that be all the papers that met with the Clinton Campaign to
> organize the message?  They left serious new journalism a long time ago.
> Wikieleaks is a pain that way, showing the truth and all that.  The only
> ones the Clinton Campaign didn’t invite was Fox.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:07 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
>
>
> Bild is no paper you should take as reference. It is just big letters and
> made for people who barely could read but don't understand.
>
> But serious papers don't like Trump, too. Trump does give a very bad
> picture of US to other nations.
>
>
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Ken Hohhof 
> Datum: 16.10.2016 03:48 (GMT+01:00)
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination
> at his rallies
>

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

Roku on wireless is questionable, mine is wired,

On Oct 16, 2016 4:07 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

> See that’s kinda funny for me… I have several Roku boxes and my experience
> with all of them has been garbage….
>
> Netflix is probably the most dependable app but even with it I’ve had some
> weird things go on … Plex I have issues with every so often (audio out of
> sync for example).  When I try the same “programming” on Apple TV or PS4 I
> have zero issues.  It got to the point where I just packed them all up into
> a box and threw them into a storage bin … only recently did I pull out a
> Roku 2 and Roku 3 to test an app from a competitor offering IPTV via Roku -
> it sucked badly too and other people trialling the service were having
> issues too …
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2016, at 12:20 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Roku is just an amazing nail on the head device. I still run the old xd it
> still updates, the apps still update, it's got the supported dev channels.
> That's probably one of the most elegantly perfect pieces of electronic in
> my home
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 10:49 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> The problem with whatever app is on the TV (or if there is an app), is
>> that if the TV is more than 1 year old, it will never be updated again.
>>
>> The Netflix app on our (now) 5 year old LG is a poor example of how
>> Netflix should actually work (or any of the online streaming services for
>> that matter). I didn't realize how poor until we installed a ROKU 2, and
>> found out what a reasonably modern implementation looked like.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 10/15/2016 10:10 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the
>> procedure to update the app on the smart TV?
>>
>>
>>
>> Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of
>> the early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

How close are you, network wise, to the various CDNs that these would use?

You are literally the first person I have talked to that had problems with
a roku.

On Oct 16, 2016 4:07 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

> See that’s kinda funny for me… I have several Roku boxes and my experience
> with all of them has been garbage….
>
> Netflix is probably the most dependable app but even with it I’ve had some
> weird things go on … Plex I have issues with every so often (audio out of
> sync for example).  When I try the same “programming” on Apple TV or PS4 I
> have zero issues.  It got to the point where I just packed them all up into
> a box and threw them into a storage bin … only recently did I pull out a
> Roku 2 and Roku 3 to test an app from a competitor offering IPTV via Roku -
> it sucked badly too and other people trialling the service were having
> issues too …
>
>
> On Oct 16, 2016, at 12:20 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Roku is just an amazing nail on the head device. I still run the old xd it
> still updates, the apps still update, it's got the supported dev channels.
> That's probably one of the most elegantly perfect pieces of electronic in
> my home
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 10:49 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> The problem with whatever app is on the TV (or if there is an app), is
>> that if the TV is more than 1 year old, it will never be updated again.
>>
>> The Netflix app on our (now) 5 year old LG is a poor example of how
>> Netflix should actually work (or any of the online streaming services for
>> that matter). I didn't realize how poor until we installed a ROKU 2, and
>> found out what a reasonably modern implementation looked like.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 10/15/2016 10:10 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the
>> procedure to update the app on the smart TV?
>>
>>
>>
>> Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of
>> the early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

2016-10-16 Thread Stefan Englhardt

Never heard of Stefon. Just googling for him and learning now …



You do not know „Bild“. So I wanted to make clear this is no paper a german is 
proud of. It is like the british SUN. Many people read it but it is just loud 
and trashy.



If you want to reference a „normal“ paper you should read e.g.

 

 
http://www.zeit.de/2016/43/wahlkampf-usa-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-auswirkungen



It tries to shine a more differentiated light on what is happening in US. What 
is clear: You have a problem when a man like Trump has a chance to be elected. 
Clinton seems to be disliked by many. I wonder why the Republican Party could 
not find a person with a more solid appearence/behavior.







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Ken Hohhof
Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2016 22:43
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies



I hope Stefan is familiar with Stefon, the Bill Hader character on SNL, or he 
will be confused, insulted, or both.

Or did you mean yet another Stefon?





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 

Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 3:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies



Stefon,



Salt Lake City’s hottest night club is called:

Trump’s P*ssy Grab

It has democrat midgets you can throw,

A cage full of undocumented Mexicans

And all the servers are naked former beauty pageant contestants



Or did you mean another Stefan?



From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:30 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,assassination at his 
rallies



You do realize Stefan is in Germany, right?



Or maybe you are referring to the international cabal?





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies



Would that be all the papers that met with the Clinton Campaign to organize the 
message?  They left serious new journalism a long time ago.  Wikieleaks is a 
pain that way, showing the truth and all that.  The only ones the Clinton 
Campaign didn’t invite was Fox.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies



Bild is no paper you should take as reference. It is just big letters and made 
for people who barely could read but don't understand.

But serious papers don't like Trump, too. Trump does give a very bad picture of 
US to other nations.



 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Ken Hohhof  >
Datum: 16.10.2016 03:48 (GMT+01:00)
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at 
his rallies

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

It's pretty amazing the depths to which some will troll. I shared that 
with a couple friends, and they shot this one back from Mother Jones:


   
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/donald-trump-hate-groups-neo-nazi-white-supremacist-racism


bp


On 10/15/2016 5:34 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


How do you cure stupidity?   Wow, wow, wow...

Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html

Re: [AFMUG] "buffering"

See that’s kinda funny for me… I have several Roku boxes and my experience with 
all of them has been garbage….

Netflix is probably the most dependable app but even with it I’ve had some 
weird things go on … Plex I have issues with every so often (audio out of sync 
for example).  When I try the same “programming” on Apple TV or PS4 I have zero 
issues.  It got to the point where I just packed them all up into a box and 
threw them into a storage bin … only recently did I pull out a Roku 2 and Roku 
3 to test an app from a competitor offering IPTV via Roku - it sucked badly too 
and other people trialling the service were having issues too … 

> On Oct 16, 2016, at 12:20 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> Roku is just an amazing nail on the head device. I still run the old xd it 
> still updates, the apps still update, it's got the supported dev channels. 
> That's probably one of the most elegantly perfect pieces of electronic in my 
> home
> 
> 
> On Oct 16, 2016 10:49 AM, "Bill Prince"  > wrote:
> The problem with whatever app is on the TV (or if there is an app), is that 
> if the TV is more than 1 year old, it will never be updated again.
> 
> The Netflix app on our (now) 5 year old LG is a poor example of how Netflix 
> should actually work (or any of the online streaming services for that 
> matter). I didn't realize how poor until we installed a ROKU 2, and found out 
> what a reasonably modern implementation looked like.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 10/15/2016 10:10 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> In your experience, does it help if the customer goes through the procedure 
>> to update the app on the smart TV?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Most of the smart TVs we run into seem to be Samsung.  I know a lot of the 
>> early ones also didn’t seem to play well with certain WiFi routers.
>> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies

Hey as a bass player in a band... Quasi celebrity in my own mind, does that
mean I can grope me some trim with impunity?   Only thing is, my wife is
not as forgiving as Melania... Maybe if I was a billionaire she would

On Oct 16, 2016 2:53 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

>
>
> ..facepalm..
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at
> his rallies
> Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2016 3:36 PM
>
> Stefon,
>
> Salt Lake City’s hottest night club is called:
> Trump’s P*ssy Grab
> It has democrat midgets you can throw,
> A cage full of undocumented Mexicans
> And all the servers are naked former beauty pageant contestants
>
> Or did you mean another Stefan?
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 2:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk
> rebellion,assassination at his rallies
>
>
> You do realize Stefan is in Germany, right?
>
>
>
> Or maybe you are referring to the international cabal?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 16, 2016 1:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
>
>
> Would that be all the papers that met with the Clinton Campaign to
> organize the message?  They left serious new journalism a long time ago.
> Wikieleaks is a pain that way, showing the truth and all that.  The only
> ones the Clinton Campaign didn’t invite was Fox.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Stefan Englhardt
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 15, 2016 10:07 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion,
> assassination at his rallies
>
>
>
> Bild is no paper you should take as reference. It is just big letters and
> made for people who barely could read but don't understand.
>
> But serious papers don't like Trump, too. Trump does give a very bad
> picture of US to other nations.
>
>
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Ken Hohhof 
> Datum: 16.10.2016 03:48 (GMT+01:00)
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination
> at his rallies
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Trump's supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies