Re: [AFMUG] the state actor that cut Assange's Internet was ...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/587lbg/i_have_been_looking_into_the_san_fransisco/#bottom-comments

you guys werent kidding about the tinfoilery on reddit, its so crazy its
believable

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:18 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Well, DailyKos is hardly an unbiased news site.  It’s the very left
> opinion site run by Marcos Moulitsas aka “Kos”.  And they couldn’t even
> link to the supposed “report”, because it’s been deleted.  It’s a post from
> a “Diary” by a guy who started posting anti-Trump stuff on the site,
> according to his Profile.
>
>
>
> http://www.dailykos.com/blogs/Salicylic
>
>
>
> No idea if this guy is a liberal wingnut or a troll, but hardly a news
> report.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the state actor that cut Assange's Internet was ...
>
>
>
> That's one of the government's favorite tricks. It has been done to others
> in the past as well. Nobody recovers from that - ever.
>
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2016 3:25 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> this just went from interesting to really freaking weird, like a dimestore
> novel for retarded people weird https://wikileaks.org/
> Background-and-Documents-on-Attempts-to-Frame-Assange-as-
> a-Pedophile-and.html?update3
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Wonder if he tried rebooting his router?
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 10/17/2016 7:15 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
> �
>
> story i heard while driving today and having a MSM (main stream media)
> channel on my xm radio said it was JOHN KERRY putting pressure on Ecuador...
>
> �
>
> �
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 9:05 PM
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] the state actor that cut Assange's Internet was ...
>
>
>
> So it was Ecuador?� Did they just unplug his Ethernet cable in the IT
> closet?� Oh, and it happened on Saturday?
>
> �
>
> http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/301393-wikileaks-ecuador-cut-off-
> julian-assanges-internet
>
> �
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] day labor legalities

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i just need the guys, the boss said hed pay them, id prefer to not get my
boss put in jail or the hammer of the irs cause i did something wrong.
there is always discussion here of the definition of employees and rules on
subcontractors or whatever but usually more toward long term folks.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:24 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Maybe you could outsource all the nasty employer stuff to a PEO?
>
>
>
>  Or tell them you’re a startup, and pay them in stock options.
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] day labor legalities
>
>
>
>
> NOT looking to skirt the system
>
>
>
> I got the ok to use some labor for project work as i need it. Like the
> other day when i brought my dad.
>
>
>
> What are the actual rules, we arent looking to cash money under the table,
> but these arent going to be full, or even part time employees, over 600
> bucks theyll 1099 but should that just be done anyway?
>
>
>
> I  have a few different people I will use, and probably not more than a
> couple days a week
>
>
>
> For the most part these people will be tying stuff to ropes and watching
> spools stands
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested

[Jaime Solorza]

Aha...

On Oct 18, 2016 9:29 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/17/us/northern-border-illicit-crossing.html
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:42 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso
> arrested
>
>
>
> Somehow they thought it's really easy to travel in Mexico with proper
> IDs... You can cross into border easy enough... Getting further is
> tougher... But Mexico has changed... Not sure how far they could have made
> it.
>
> 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested
> http://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2016/10/18/2-
> suspected-isis-recruits-heading-el-paso-arrested/92378772/
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested

[Ken Hohhof]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/17/us/northern-border-illicit-crossing.html

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:42 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested

 

Somehow they thought it's really easy to travel in Mexico with proper IDs... 
You can cross into border easy enough... Getting further is tougher... But 
Mexico has changed... Not sure how far they could have made it.

2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested
http://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2016/10/18/2-suspected-isis-recruits-heading-el-paso-arrested/92378772/

Re: [AFMUG] day labor legalities

[Ken Hohhof]

Maybe you could outsource all the nasty employer stuff to a PEO?

 

 Or tell them you’re a startup, and pay them in stock options. 


 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] day labor legalities

 




NOT looking to skirt the system

 

I got the ok to use some labor for project work as i need it. Like the other 
day when i brought my dad.

 

What are the actual rules, we arent looking to cash money under the table, but 
these arent going to be full, or even part time employees, over 600 bucks 
theyll 1099 but should that just be done anyway?

 

I  have a few different people I will use, and probably not more than a couple 
days a week

 

For the most part these people will be tying stuff to ropes and watching spools 
stands

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] OT: 2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested

[Jaime Solorza]

Somehow they thought it's really easy to travel in Mexico with proper
IDs... You can cross into border easy enough... Getting further is
tougher... But Mexico has changed... Not sure how far they could have made
it.

2 suspected ISIS recruits heading to El Paso arrested
http://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2016/10/18/2-suspected-isis-recruits-heading-el-paso-arrested/92378772/

[AFMUG] day labor legalities

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

NOT looking to skirt the system

I got the ok to use some labor for project work as i need it. Like the
other day when i brought my dad.

What are the actual rules, we arent looking to cash money under the table,
but these arent going to be full, or even part time employees, over 600
bucks theyll 1099 but should that just be done anyway?

I  have a few different people I will use, and probably not more than a
couple days a week

For the most part these people will be tying stuff to ropes and watching
spools stands
-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Bill Prince]

I'm hoping that part of that was Lewis' spell checker rearing its ugly head.


bp


On 10/18/2016 3:59 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF 
jargon like "Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.


On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM > wrote:


Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.
*From:* Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* [AFMUG] my kind of chick!
she even mentions wisps and PTP links!
http://gizmo.do/WwycylD

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Ken Hohhof]

In that vein, radio talk show guy today predicted that President DJT would 
appoint Billy Bush as FCC Chairman.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 7:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

 

WTH Lewis?!!?!

 

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:

But question is, did Lewis write it or his phone?  

 

On Oct 18, 2016 6:03 PM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists"  > wrote:

"Flick my Fresnel"...I'll never be able to get that out of my head!

Jeff Broadwick

ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

312-205-2519   Office

574-220-7826   Cell

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com  


On Oct 18, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Lewis Bergman  > wrote:

I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF jargon like 
"Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.

 

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM  > 
wrote:

Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.

 

From: Gino Villarini 

Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

 

she even mentions wisps and PTP links! 

 

  http://gizmo.do/WwycylD





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Josh Reynolds]

"MAGA!" ;) j/k

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:
> WTH Lewis?!!?!
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>>
>> But question is, did Lewis write it or his phone?
>>
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2016 6:03 PM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Flick my Fresnel"...I'll never be able to get that out of my head!
>>>
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>>
>>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF
>>> jargon like "Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM  wrote:

 Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.

 From: Gino Villarini
 Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
 To: Animal Farm
 Subject: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

 she even mentions wisps and PTP links!

 http://gizmo.do/WwycylD
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

WTH Lewis?!!?!

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> But question is, did Lewis write it or his phone?
>
> On Oct 18, 2016 6:03 PM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" 
> wrote:
>
>> "Flick my Fresnel"...I'll never be able to get that out of my head!
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF
>> jargon like "Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.
>>>
>>> *From:* Gino Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] my kind of chick!
>>>
>>> she even mentions wisps and PTP links!
>>>
>>> http://gizmo.do/WwycylD
>>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

stupid math

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Yup so true …
>
> On Oct 18, 2016, at 7:06 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
> Jan 19 2038 is yet another 32 bit problem.
>
> On 10/18/2016 3:35 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:
>
> Yeah but if it’s like IPv6 people will wait until it’s too late ;)
>
> Sorry - couldn’t resist throwing that in here ….
>
> On Oct 18, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Once 2036, or even 2035 shows up, set a flag somewhere that we are
> preparing for rollover. Heck, do it now. Mark 1900 as "history" and 2036 as
> "future". When 2036-02-07 comes around, mark that one as history as well.
>
> Unfortunately, legacy programs won't be able to deal with it. Perhaps it's
> a good thing that we have almost 20 years to prepare for it.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/18/2016 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Yep, this could be like Y2K.  Once the clock rolls, I don’t think NTP yet
> has a field showing epoch number so how do you differentiate between 1900
> and 2036?
>
> *From:* Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update
>
> Clock rolls over …
>
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> A few weeks ago I was requesting help in thinking through some DHCP lease
> issues.  Turns out, we think, that there were some Calix system clock
> fruitiness.
>
> Anyone care to guess what is magic about February 7, 2036?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Jaime Solorza]

But question is, did Lewis write it or his phone?

On Oct 18, 2016 6:03 PM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists"  wrote:

> "Flick my Fresnel"...I'll never be able to get that out of my head!
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Oct 18, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF jargon
> like "Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.
>>
>> *From:* Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] my kind of chick!
>>
>> she even mentions wisps and PTP links!
>>
>> http://gizmo.do/WwycylD
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Josh Reynolds]

wat

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:
> wat
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:00 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!
>
>
>
> I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF jargon
> like "Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM  wrote:
>
> Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.
>
>
>
> From: Gino Villarini
>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
>
> To: Animal Farm
>
> Subject: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!
>
>
>
> she even mentions wisps and PTP links!
>
>
>
> http://gizmo.do/WwycylD

Re: [AFMUG] Video Software

[Mike Hammett]

We're looking for something for Midwest-IX too. Justin liked this video and was 
looking for something similar: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpl9BIxLcLU=youtu.be 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ben Royer"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 3:51:54 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Video Software 




What video software have any of you used to make quick marketing videos. I’m 
looking for something quick and simple like Windows Movie Maker, but with a few 
extra options. Just looking to make short ads for Social Media and such. 

Thank you, 
Ben Royer, Operations Manager 
Royell Communications, Inc. 
217-965-3699 www.royell.net 

Re: [AFMUG] the state actor that cut Assange's Internet was ...

[Ken Hohhof]

Well, DailyKos is hardly an unbiased news site.  It’s the very left opinion 
site run by Marcos Moulitsas aka “Kos”.  And they couldn’t even link to the 
supposed “report”, because it’s been deleted.  It’s a post from a “Diary” by a 
guy who started posting anti-Trump stuff on the site, according to his Profile.

 

http://www.dailykos.com/blogs/Salicylic

 

No idea if this guy is a liberal wingnut or a troll, but hardly a news report.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the state actor that cut Assange's Internet was ...

 

That's one of the government's favorite tricks. It has been done to others in 
the past as well. Nobody recovers from that - ever.

 

On Oct 18, 2016 3:25 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  > wrote:

this just went from interesting to really freaking weird, like a dimestore 
novel for retarded people weird 
https://wikileaks.org/Background-and-Documents-on-Attempts-to-Frame-Assange-as-a-Pedophile-and.html?update3

 

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Bill Prince  > wrote:

Wonder if he tried rebooting his router?

 

bp

 

On 10/17/2016 7:15 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

�

story i heard while driving today and having a MSM (main stream media) channel 
on my xm radio said it was JOHN KERRY putting pressure on Ecuador...

�

�

- Original Message - 

From: Ken Hohhof   

To: af@afmug.com   

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 9:05 PM

Subject: [AFMUG] the state actor that cut Assange's Internet was ...

 

So it was Ecuador?� Did they just unplug his Ethernet cable in the IT 
closet?� Oh, and it happened on Saturday?

�

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/301393-wikileaks-ecuador-cut-off-julian-assanges-internet

�

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

"Flick my Fresnel"...I'll never be able to get that out of my head!

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Oct 18, 2016, at 6:59 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> 
> I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF jargon 
> like "Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM  wrote:
>> Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.
>>  
>> From: Gino Villarini
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!
>>  
>> she even mentions wisps and PTP links!
>>  
>> http://gizmo.do/WwycylD

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Chris Wright]

wat

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF jargon like 
"Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM > wrote:
Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.

From: Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

she even mentions wisps and PTP links!

http://gizmo.do/WwycylD

Re: [AFMUG] 450i power

[SmarterBroadband]

Sounds good.  The Tycon TP-POE-48 is passive 48 volt.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i power

 

48 volts. Any two pairs positive, other two pairs negative. You can also do 1 
pos, 1 neg if not using the aux POE out. 802.3at compliant. Or passive 
injection which is what most of us do.

On 10/18/2016 2:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Should.  The 450i is the most universally power accepting device on the planet.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 3:49 PM, SmarterBroadband  
wrote:

Would a Tycon TP-POE-48 power a 450i OK?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update

[Paul Stewart]

Yup so true … 

> On Oct 18, 2016, at 7:06 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> 
> Jan 19 2038 is yet another 32 bit problem.
> 
> On 10/18/2016 3:35 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:
>> Yeah but if it’s like IPv6 people will wait until it’s too late ;)
>> 
>> Sorry - couldn’t resist throwing that in here …. 
>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Bill Prince >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Once 2036, or even 2035 shows up, set a flag somewhere that we are 
>>> preparing for rollover. Heck, do it now. Mark 1900 as "history" and 2036 as 
>>> "future". When 2036-02-07 comes around, mark that one as history as well.
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, legacy programs won't be able to deal with it. Perhaps it's 
>>> a good thing that we have almost 20 years to prepare for it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/18/2016 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 Yep, this could be like Y2K.  Once the clock rolls, I don’t think NTP yet 
 has a field showing epoch number so how do you differentiate between 1900 
 and 2036?
  
 From: Paul Stewart <>
 Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:23 PM
 To: af@afmug.com <>
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update
  
 Clock rolls over … 
  
  
> On Oct 18, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:
>  
> A few weeks ago I was requesting help in thinking through some DHCP lease 
> issues.  Turns out, we think, that there were some Calix system clock 
> fruitiness.
>  
> Anyone care to guess what is magic about February 7, 2036?
 
  
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 450i power

[George Skorup]

48 volts. Any two pairs positive, other two pairs negative. You can also 
do 1 pos, 1 neg if not using the aux POE out. 802.3at compliant. Or 
passive injection which is what most of us do.


On 10/18/2016 2:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Should.  The 450i is the most universally power accepting device on 
the planet.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 3:49 PM, SmarterBroadband 
> wrote:


Would a Tycon TP-POE-48 power a 450i OK?

Thanks

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update

[George Skorup]

Jan 19 2038 is yet another 32 bit problem.

On 10/18/2016 3:35 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:

Yeah but if it’s like IPv6 people will wait until it’s too late ;)

Sorry - couldn’t resist throwing that in here ….

On Oct 18, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:


Once 2036, or even 2035 shows up, set a flag somewhere that we are 
preparing for rollover. Heck, do it now. Mark 1900 as "history" and 
2036 as "future". When 2036-02-07 comes around, mark that one as 
history as well.


Unfortunately, legacy programs won't be able to deal with it. Perhaps 
it's a good thing that we have almost 20 years to prepare for it.



bp


On 10/18/2016 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yep, this could be like Y2K.  Once the clock rolls, I don’t think 
NTP yet has a field showing epoch number so how do you differentiate 
between 1900 and 2036?

*From:* Paul Stewart
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update
Clock rolls over …

On Oct 18, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
A few weeks ago I was requesting help in thinking through some DHCP 
lease issues.  Turns out, we think, that there were some Calix 
system clock fruitiness.

Anyone care to guess what is magic about February 7, 2036?

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Lewis Bergman]

I would still bang her and we would shout various WISP terms and RF jargon
like "Flick my Fresnel!" the entire time.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:52 PM  wrote:

> Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] my kind of chick!
>
> she even mentions wisps and PTP links!
>
> http://gizmo.do/WwycylD
>

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[chuck]

Yeah, but she can’t spell antenna.

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 4:35 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

she even mentions wisps and PTP links! 

http://gizmo.do/WwycylD

Re: [AFMUG] Video Software

[Chris Wright]

You could find someone really easily on fiverr.com to do it for you. I edit on 
the side and I’m completely happy with my Adobe Premiere subscription for 
$20/mo.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Video Software

I have used WMM and the gopro app.  I was able to do what I wanted.

From: Ben Royer
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Video Software

What video software have any of you used to make quick marketing videos.  I’m 
looking for something quick and simple like Windows Movie Maker, but with a few 
extra options.  Just looking to make short ads for Social Media and such.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Josh Luthman]

At 3:30.  Manhattan got a WISP shout out!!!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> she even mentions wisps and PTP links!
>
> http://gizmo.do/WwycylD
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: NFLX

[Gino Villarini]

happy camper! bought at $50 (post split)

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 11:45 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> yay :)
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Bill Prince 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:29 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: NFLX
>
> We can take partial credit. We signed up for about 3 million accounts in
> Russia...
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/18/2016 7:06 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
>
> well, i purchased 85 shares of nflx on August 25 2015.   Price?  $112 a
> share.
> I'm happy today.
> I'm not sure how much I'll sell to "break even".
> I've been waiting a long time.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Travis Johnson 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:52 AM
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: NFLX
>
> Hey...
>
> Anyone make a killing on NFLX stock?? Up 20% in a single day. I still
> don't understand Karl Icahn selling out a year ago... seems like he
> missed out on billions. LOL
>
> Travis
>
>
>

[AFMUG] my kind of chick!

[Gino Villarini]

she even mentions wisps and PTP links!

http://gizmo.do/WwycylD

Re: [AFMUG] Video Software

[chuck]

I have used WMM and the gopro app.  I was able to do what I wanted.  

From: Ben Royer 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Video Software

What video software have any of you used to make quick marketing videos.  I’m 
looking for something quick and simple like Windows Movie Maker, but with a few 
extra options.  Just looking to make short ads for Social Media and such.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP repair

[Vlad Sedov]

Oh, awesome! I could've swore Frank told me you guys don't repair them..
How much do you charge per unit?

Thanks Paul


Vlad


On 10/18/2016 3:20 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

We do them VLAD

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Vlad Sedov
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP repair

Hey folks. Does anyone repair GPS-enabled ePMP-1000 units?

cheers


vlad

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4

[Jason McKemie]

Just want to shop around.

On Tuesday, October 18, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> They are great to work with. Do they just lack a certain block size you
> are looking for?
>
> On Oct 18, 2016 3:41 PM, "Jason McKemie"  > wrote:
>
>> Anyone have a recommendation for an alternative to IPv4auctions.com?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] the state actor that cut Assange's Internet was ...

[Josh Reynolds]

That's one of the government's favorite tricks. It has been done to others
in the past as well. Nobody recovers from that - ever.

On Oct 18, 2016 3:25 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> this just went from interesting to really freaking weird, like a dimestore
> novel for retarded people weird https://wikileaks.org/
> Background-and-Documents-on-Attempts-to-Frame-Assange-as-
> a-Pedophile-and.html?update3
>
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Wonder if he tried rebooting his router?
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 10/17/2016 7:15 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>
>> �
>> story i heard while driving today and having a MSM (main stream media)
>> channel on my xm radio said it was JOHN KERRY putting pressure on Ecuador...
>> �
>> �
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 9:05 PM
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] the state actor that cut Assange's Internet was ...
>>
>> So it was Ecuador?� Did they just unplug his Ethernet cable in the IT
>> closet?� Oh, and it happened on Saturday?
>>
>> �
>>
>> http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/301393-wikileaks-
>> ecuador-cut-off-julian-assanges-internet
>>
>> �
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4

[Josh Reynolds]

They are great to work with. Do they just lack a certain block size you are
looking for?

On Oct 18, 2016 3:41 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> Anyone have a recommendation for an alternative to IPv4auctions.com?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Weird results from a SA

[Bill Prince]

Satellite base station?

bp


On 10/18/2016 2:00 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 10/18/16 11:04, Ryan Ray wrote:

3600-3622 is another company. The 3650-3700 is totally clean when my
AP's are off.



How is someone legally using below 3.65 right now without the SAS 
database in place?


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Weird results from a SA

[Ryan Ray]

Canada

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 10/18/16 11:04, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
>> 3600-3622 is another company. The 3650-3700 is totally clean when my
>> AP's are off.
>>
>
>
> How is someone legally using below 3.65 right now without the SAS database
> in place?
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Weird results from a SA

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/18/16 11:04, Ryan Ray wrote:

3600-3622 is another company. The 3650-3700 is totally clean when my
AP's are off.



How is someone legally using below 3.65 right now without the SAS 
database in place?


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

[Chris Wright]

Congrats on the spawn!

You missed out on some great breakout sessions. The security best practices 
session with John Brown, Tom Smyth, and Kris Twomey went over an hour longer 
than scheduled and could have gone for days with no complaints from me. Hands 
down my favorite session.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ben Royer
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Thanks to TBW for their videos and such, we didn’t get to attend this year as 
we have been busy with the network and I have a little girl due in just a few 
weeks!  Enjoying seeing what the show had to offer from everyone.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Chris Wright
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Here’s TBW’s WISPApalooza 2016 playlist: 
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL56ppmTc2o72awtcT1YiqW-y1QLIR7YoQ
TBW Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/


Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that ☺

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]
Midwest Internet Exchange
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]
The Brothers WISP
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]




From: "Paul McCall" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]
Midwest Internet Exchange
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]
The Brothers WISP
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png][http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]




From: "Paul McCall" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights
Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane, can I 
live vicariously through you guys?

What are the big highlights of the show?

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

[AFMUG] Video Software

[Ben Royer]

What video software have any of you used to make quick marketing videos.  I’m 
looking for something quick and simple like Windows Movie Maker, but with a few 
extra options.  Just looking to make short ads for Social Media and such.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] IPv4

[Mike Hammett]

Look at the ARIN transfer broker page. There's a dozen or two. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jason McKemie"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 3:40:59 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] IPv4 


Anyone have a recommendation for an alternative to IPv4auctions.com? 

[AFMUG] IPv4

[Jason McKemie]

Anyone have a recommendation for an alternative to IPv4auctions.com?

Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update

[Paul Stewart]

Yeah but if it’s like IPv6 people will wait until it’s too late ;)

Sorry - couldn’t resist throwing that in here …. 

> On Oct 18, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> Once 2036, or even 2035 shows up, set a flag somewhere that we are preparing 
> for rollover. Heck, do it now. Mark 1900 as "history" and 2036 as "future". 
> When 2036-02-07 comes around, mark that one as history as well.
> 
> Unfortunately, legacy programs won't be able to deal with it. Perhaps it's a 
> good thing that we have almost 20 years to prepare for it.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 10/18/2016 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Yep, this could be like Y2K.  Once the clock rolls, I don’t think NTP yet 
>> has a field showing epoch number so how do you differentiate between 1900 
>> and 2036?
>>  
>> From: Paul Stewart <>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:23 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update
>>  
>> Clock rolls over … 
>>  
>>  
>>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:
>>>  
>>> A few weeks ago I was requesting help in thinking through some DHCP lease 
>>> issues.  Turns out, we think, that there were some Calix system clock 
>>> fruitiness.
>>>  
>>> Anyone care to guess what is magic about February 7, 2036?
>> 
>>  
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update

[Chuck McCown]

Too bad for the programs that use NTP numbering as the time and date.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update

Once 2036, or even 2035 shows up, set a flag somewhere that we are preparing 
for rollover. Heck, do it now. Mark 1900 as "history" and 2036 as "future". 
When 2036-02-07 comes around, mark that one as history as well.

Unfortunately, legacy programs won't be able to deal with it. Perhaps it's a 
good thing that we have almost 20 years to prepare for it.



bp


On 10/18/2016 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Yep, this could be like Y2K.  Once the clock rolls, I don’t think NTP yet has 
a field showing epoch number so how do you differentiate between 1900 and 2036?

  From: Paul Stewart 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:23 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update

  Clock rolls over …  


On Oct 18, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

A few weeks ago I was requesting help in thinking through some DHCP lease 
issues.  Turns out, we think, that there were some Calix system clock 
fruitiness.

Anyone care to guess what is magic about February 7, 2036?

Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update

[Chuck McCown]

Network Time Protocol is based on a 32 x 32 bit number.  32 bits of digits and 
32 bits of decimals.  It rolls over once ever 136 years.  It will roll over in 
2036.

We had a bunch of calix shelves reporting Feb 7, 2036.  Calix kept saying 
things like we were getting bogus NTP etc.  Turns out that their clocks are 
getting set to 0xh by something.  I doubt NTP is reporting that date.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update

my helmet is at the shop right now, so forgive my ignorance. but what?

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Yep, this could be like Y2K.  Once the clock rolls, I don’t think NTP yet has 
a field showing epoch number so how do you differentiate between 1900 and 2036?

  From: Paul Stewart 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:23 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update

  Clock rolls over …  


On Oct 18, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

A few weeks ago I was requesting help in thinking through some DHCP lease 
issues.  Turns out, we think, that there were some Calix system clock 
fruitiness.

Anyone care to guess what is magic about February 7, 2036?





-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update

[Bill Prince]

Once 2036, or even 2035 shows up, set a flag somewhere that we are 
preparing for rollover. Heck, do it now. Mark 1900 as "history" and 2036 
as "future". When 2036-02-07 comes around, mark that one as history as well.


Unfortunately, legacy programs won't be able to deal with it. Perhaps 
it's a good thing that we have almost 20 years to prepare for it.



bp


On 10/18/2016 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yep, this could be like Y2K.  Once the clock rolls, I don’t think NTP 
yet has a field showing epoch number so how do you differentiate 
between 1900 and 2036?

*From:* Paul Stewart
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update
Clock rolls over …

On Oct 18, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
A few weeks ago I was requesting help in thinking through some DHCP 
lease issues.  Turns out, we think, that there were some Calix system 
clock fruitiness.

Anyone care to guess what is magic about February 7, 2036?

Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

my helmet is at the shop right now, so forgive my ignorance. but what?

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Yep, this could be like Y2K.  Once the clock rolls, I don’t think NTP yet
> has a field showing epoch number so how do you differentiate between 1900
> and 2036?
>
> *From:* Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update
>
> Clock rolls over …
>
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> A few weeks ago I was requesting help in thinking through some DHCP lease
> issues.  Turns out, we think, that there were some Calix system clock
> fruitiness.
>
> Anyone care to guess what is magic about February 7, 2036?
>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah the NTP clock numbering system.  Affects everything.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update

+1. That would be my guess too.



bp


On 10/18/2016 1:23 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:

  Clock rolls over …  


On Oct 18, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

A few weeks ago I was requesting help in thinking through some DHCP lease 
issues.  Turns out, we think, that there were some Calix system clock 
fruitiness.

Anyone care to guess what is magic about February 7, 2036?

Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update

[Bill Prince]

+1. That would be my guess too.


bp


On 10/18/2016 1:23 PM, Paul Stewart wrote:

Clock rolls over …


On Oct 18, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


A few weeks ago I was requesting help in thinking through some DHCP 
lease issues.  Turns out, we think, that there were some Calix system 
clock fruitiness.

Anyone care to guess what is magic about February 7, 2036?

Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update

[Chuck McCown]

Yep, this could be like Y2K.  Once the clock rolls, I don’t think NTP yet has a 
field showing epoch number so how do you differentiate between 1900 and 2036?

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 2:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update

Clock rolls over …  


  On Oct 18, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  A few weeks ago I was requesting help in thinking through some DHCP lease 
issues.  Turns out, we think, that there were some Calix system clock 
fruitiness.

  Anyone care to guess what is magic about February 7, 2036?

Re: [AFMUG] the state actor that cut Assange's Internet was ...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

this just went from interesting to really freaking weird, like a dimestore
novel for retarded people weird
https://wikileaks.org/Background-and-Documents-on-Attempts-to-Frame-Assange-as-a-Pedophile-and.html?update3

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:30 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Wonder if he tried rebooting his router?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/17/2016 7:15 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
> �
> story i heard while driving today and having a MSM (main stream media)
> channel on my xm radio said it was JOHN KERRY putting pressure on Ecuador...
> �
> �
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 9:05 PM
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] the state actor that cut Assange's Internet was ...
>
> So it was Ecuador?� Did they just unplug his Ethernet cable in the IT
> closet?� Oh, and it happened on Saturday?
>
> �
>
> http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/301393-wikileaks-ecuador-cut-off-
> julian-assanges-internet
>
> �
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update

[Jaime Solorza]

First contact?

On Oct 18, 2016 2:13 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> A few weeks ago I was requesting help in thinking through some DHCP lease
> issues.  Turns out, we think, that there were some Calix system clock
> fruitiness.
>
> Anyone care to guess what is magic about February 7, 2036?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT DHCP update

[Paul Stewart]

Clock rolls over … 


> On Oct 18, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> A few weeks ago I was requesting help in thinking through some DHCP lease 
> issues.  Turns out, we think, that there were some Calix system clock 
> fruitiness.
>  
> Anyone care to guess what is magic about February 7, 2036?

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP repair

[Paul McCall]

We do them VLAD

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Vlad Sedov
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 11:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP repair

Hey folks. Does anyone repair GPS-enabled ePMP-1000 units?

cheers


vlad

[AFMUG] OT DHCP update

[Chuck McCown]

A few weeks ago I was requesting help in thinking through some DHCP lease 
issues.  Turns out, we think, that there were some Calix system clock 
fruitiness.

Anyone care to guess what is magic about February 7, 2036?

Re: [AFMUG] Ip, console server?

[Paul Stewart]

We use OpenGear and really like them …


> On Oct 18, 2016, at 4:02 PM, SmarterBroadband  
> wrote:
> 
> We are using Tripp Lite.
> Adam
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Tushar Patel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:06 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ip, console server?
>  
> Hi
>  
> We may get into situation where we may need to do remote management of router 
> via console port.
>  
> Any suggestion on ip console server to buy? 8 or 16 port.
>  
> Thanks,
> Tushar

Re: [AFMUG] Ip, console server?

[SmarterBroadband]

We are using Tripp Lite.

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tushar Patel
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Ip, console server?

 

Hi

 

We may get into situation where we may need to do remote management of
router via console port.

 

Any suggestion on ip console server to buy? 8 or 16 port.

 

Thanks,

Tushar

Re: [AFMUG] 450i power

[Josh Luthman]

Should.  The 450i is the most universally power accepting device on the
planet.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 3:49 PM, SmarterBroadband <
li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:

> Would a Tycon TP-POE-48 power a 450i OK?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>

[AFMUG] 450i power

[SmarterBroadband]

Would a Tycon TP-POE-48 power a 450i OK?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Ken Hohhof]

But in winter, the blocks are useful for another reason.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 12:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

Ok - maybe not the blocks all of the time :-)

 

Auger is a one man post hole digger with a 8” diameter bit - something like 
this: 
http://www.drpower.com/power-equipment/lawn-and-garden/yard-maintenance/augers/1-person-earth-auger.axd?ctm_id=27747
 

 
=AW90501XE3663309=CjwKEAjwkJfABRDnhbPlx6WI4ncSJADMQqxdaUyKABTy5ulmDiahBpak-yzghgc1NMBG2I4OuhisoBoCo1Dw_wcB

 

No idea if that is a good one or not - I can’t find the ones we bought anymore. 
 It’s a 4 cycle so you don’t have to worry about guys mixing oil (or not mixing 
oil).   Of course our biggest screwup installer (long gone) who I would have 
thought most likely to forget to put oil in a 2-cycle was the one who decided 
to put 2-cycle oil in the 4-cycle engine and then complained it didn’t start 
well and smoked a lot.

 

Mark

 

 

On Oct 18, 2016, at 12:57 PM, Jeremy  > wrote:

 

You carry concrete, poles, cinder blocks, and non-pens at all times?  That is 
pretty amazing.  We usually qualify those type of jobs in advance, run back to 
grab parts, or reschedule.  What is this 'power auger' that you speak of?

 

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Mark Radabaugh  > wrote:

There is no way in hell I would ever want to work out of those vans, and there 
is no way to get all the equipment we carry in one.   

 

32’ ladder, 28’ ladder, cable, Canopy gear in FSK 5.7 and 2.4, 430 5.7, 450 in 
900, 2.4, 3.65 integrated and connectorized, 5.7 integrated and connectorizied. 
 Ubiquiti in various flavors.  Antenna’s and power supplies for all of the 
above.  Non-Pen mounts, regular mounts, roof mounts, power supplies for all of 
the above.  Concrete and poles.  Concrete blocks for non-pen mount.  Power 
auger, post hole digger, indoor and outdoor wire and cable, tools, indoor 
supplies (wall plates, punchdowns, etc).  We would have to tow a trailer to 
carry all of that with that van - or spend hours a day digging through the 
gigantic mess in the back of the van.

 

One trip and done.

 

Mark

 

On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rory Conaway  > wrote:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true
 

 =item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875

 

Here is one with 36,000 miles.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with 100,000 
miles on them and still expense it.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
paying for it.

 

If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you expense 
the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are kicking 
the tax can down the road.

 

I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with upfit.  
The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones (the 
Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for long ago.   
Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer newer equipment for 
the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when one breaks down and we 
have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting around without a vehicle.  
The PR value of having decent looking equipment with good graphics and the 
ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to do the job in one truck roll 
is worth the extra expense.

 

Mark

 

On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:

 

I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" 

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

[Mike Hammett]

We have high hopes for future shows. We're trying to get press passes so more 
of our guys can come and interview more vendors and start micro-interviews 
where we just ask random passersby for their thoughts on the show. We'll 
compose that latter group into compilation videos. This year I not only 
conducted 11 vendor interviews, but also moderated or participated in three 
sessions. No time for other sessions and little for keynotes. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ben Royer"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:43:40 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights 




Thanks to TBW for their videos and such, we didn’t get to attend this year as 
we have been busy with the network and I have a little girl due in just a few 
weeks! Enjoying seeing what the show had to offer from everyone. 

Thank you, 
Ben Royer, Operations Manager 
Royell Communications, Inc. 
217-965-3699 www.royell.net 




From: Chris Wright 
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:25 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights 



Here’s TBW’s WISPApalooza 2016 playlist: 
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL56ppmTc2o72awtcT1YiqW-y1QLIR7YoQ 
TBW Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/ 



Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall 
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:10 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights 

I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that J 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights 


It's in almost every e-mail I send. ;-) 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Paul McCall" < pa...@pdmnet.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights 
Got a Link? Can’t seem to find it? 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights 


Look at the TBW FB page. ;-) 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "Paul McCall" < pa...@pdmnet.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights 
Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane, can I 
live vicariously through you guys? 

What are the big highlights of the show? 

Paul 

Paul McCall, President 
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. 
658 Old Dixie Highway 
Vero Beach, FL 32962 
772-564-6800 
pa...@pdmnet.net 
www.pdmnet.com 
www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Mark Radabaugh]

Ok - maybe not the blocks all of the time :-)

Auger is a one man post hole digger with a 8” diameter bit - something like 
this: 
http://www.drpower.com/power-equipment/lawn-and-garden/yard-maintenance/augers/1-person-earth-auger.axd?ctm_id=27747=AW90501XE3663309=CjwKEAjwkJfABRDnhbPlx6WI4ncSJADMQqxdaUyKABTy5ulmDiahBpak-yzghgc1NMBG2I4OuhisoBoCo1Dw_wcB

No idea if that is a good one or not - I can’t find the ones we bought anymore. 
 It’s a 4 cycle so you don’t have to worry about guys mixing oil (or not mixing 
oil).   Of course our biggest screwup installer (long gone) who I would have 
thought most likely to forget to put oil in a 2-cycle was the one who decided 
to put 2-cycle oil in the 4-cycle engine and then complained it didn’t start 
well and smoked a lot.

Mark


> On Oct 18, 2016, at 12:57 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
> 
> You carry concrete, poles, cinder blocks, and non-pens at all times?  That is 
> pretty amazing.  We usually qualify those type of jobs in advance, run back 
> to grab parts, or reschedule.  What is this 'power auger' that you speak of?
> 
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Mark Radabaugh  > wrote:
> There is no way in hell I would ever want to work out of those vans, and 
> there is no way to get all the equipment we carry in one.   
> 
> 32’ ladder, 28’ ladder, cable, Canopy gear in FSK 5.7 and 2.4, 430 5.7, 450 
> in 900, 2.4, 3.65 integrated and connectorized, 5.7 integrated and 
> connectorizied.  Ubiquiti in various flavors.  Antenna’s and power supplies 
> for all of the above.  Non-Pen mounts, regular mounts, roof mounts, power 
> supplies for all of the above.  Concrete and poles.  Concrete blocks for 
> non-pen mount.  Power auger, post hole digger, indoor and outdoor wire and 
> cable, tools, indoor supplies (wall plates, punchdowns, etc).  We would have 
> to tow a trailer to carry all of that with that van - or spend hours a day 
> digging through the gigantic mess in the back of the van.
> 
> One trip and done.
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rory Conaway > > wrote:
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Here is one with 36,000 miles.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rory
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with 
>> 100,000 miles on them and still expense it.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rory
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
>> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
>> years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
>> exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
>> paying for it.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you 
>> expense the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are 
>> kicking the tax can down the road.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with 
>> upfit.  The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones 
>> (the Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for 
>> long ago.   Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer 
>> newer equipment for the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when 
>> one breaks down and we have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting 
>> around without a vehicle.  The PR value of having decent looking equipment 
>> with good graphics and the ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to 
>> do the job in one truck roll is worth the extra expense.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" > > wrote:
>> 
>> I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via depreciation, 
>> etc. Leases are just much simpler.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> bp
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Jeremy]

You carry concrete, poles, cinder blocks, and non-pens at all times?  That
is pretty amazing.  We usually qualify those type of jobs in advance, run
back to grab parts, or reschedule.  What is this 'power auger' that you
speak of?

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> There is no way in hell I would ever want to work out of those vans, and
> there is no way to get all the equipment we carry in one.
>
> 32’ ladder, 28’ ladder, cable, Canopy gear in FSK 5.7 and 2.4, 430 5.7,
> 450 in 900, 2.4, 3.65 integrated and connectorized, 5.7 integrated and
> connectorizied.  Ubiquiti in various flavors.  Antenna’s and power supplies
> for all of the above.  Non-Pen mounts, regular mounts, roof mounts, power
> supplies for all of the above.  Concrete and poles.  Concrete blocks for
> non-pen mount.  Power auger, post hole digger, indoor and outdoor wire and
> cable, tools, indoor supplies (wall plates, punchdowns, etc).  We would
> have to tow a trailer to carry all of that with that van - or spend hours a
> day digging through the gigantic mess in the back of the van.
>
> One trip and done.
>
> Mark
>
> On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-
> Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true&
> hash=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875
>
>
>
> Here is one with 36,000 miles.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with
> 100,000 miles on them and still expense it.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every
> few years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time
> you exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your
> still paying for it.
>
>
>
> If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you
> expense the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you
> are kicking the tax can down the road.
>
>
>
> I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with
> upfit.  The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones
> (the Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for
> long ago.   Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer
> newer equipment for the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle
> when one breaks down and we have to reschedule work and/or have someone
> sitting around without a vehicle.  The PR value of having decent looking
> equipment with good graphics and the ability to carry all of the assorted
> equipment to do the job in one truck roll is worth the extra expense.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via
> depreciation, etc. Leases are just much simpler.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Why can't you write off that?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better
> value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with
> shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to
> add.  eBay has them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last
> 300-500K miles (mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive
> savings.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)
>
>
>
> I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-) Your
> more than welcome to come visit.
>
>
>
> Transit - good van, only 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Ben Royer]

Yes, there is something to be said about a stocked van.  Our main installer 
fleet consists of 7 Chevy Express Vans, mostly 1500, 2 are 2500, and all fairly 
similar in shelving.  We have a spare AstroVan, and a couple Tahoe’s and a 3500 
Diesel for hauling.  The biggest discrepancy is the techs, some guys keep them 
squeaky clean, others not so much.  It seems no matter how hard you try to 
mandate it clean, stocked, etc. Give it a couple days and you’re a broken 
record again, asking them to clean it.  I’m looking at the future of our fleet 
now also, and I really like the ProMaster, and I’ve driven a Ford Transit 350 
with the 6’ back, which was really nice.  Ladders and pipes being our biggest 
thing to accommodate for.  If we do decide to go new, I think one of the key 
factors is gas mileage we might gain by going with a newer, more efficient 
vehicle.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

If you believe in the free market, the “value” of new and used vans should be 
about equal.

 

I would think if you have a “fleet” of more than 1-2 vehicles, there would be 
value in having them all similar, right down to the shelving and what tools and 
parts they are stocked with, right down to where they are in the van.  So you 
could send a tech out in any vehicle and they wouldn’t waste a bunch of time 
looking for stuff.  That also assumes some discipline that your techs keep the 
vans clean, organized, and stocked, or that you have a second shift to do that. 
 That’s something that impressed me when WISPER did that open house a couple 
years ago, other than one NV200, they were all Transit Connects and it didn’t 
matter which one you took out, they were all identically equipped and stocked.  
I wouldn’t want such a small van though, nor would I want to drive around our 
back roads in winter in a Transit Connect, but somehow WISPER makes it work.

 

Or if you’re like me, too small to have a “fleet”, then you’re really screwed 
if your vehicle has to go into the shop.  So there is something reassuring 
about having a new vehicle with full warranty, just send it to the dealer for 
scheduled maintenance, and unless someone abuses it there shouldn’t be any 
major problems for quite a few years.  At that point, it can now become your 
“used” vehicle, or you can sell it off to someone who prefers to buy vehicles 
used and partly depreciated, and buy another new one, equipped and upfitted to 
your specifications.

 

I have noticed when looking at used vehicles already equipped with ladder racks 
and shelves, that people beat the crap out of them.  They look OK in the online 
photos, but when you check them out in person, they never look so good.  I 
suppose it comes down to putting the time into checking out enough of them.  
Maybe the middle ground would be to identify a big company that equips their 
vans the way you like, find out who they send their used or surplus vans to, 
and buy those.  At least they would all be the same.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

 

Pretty sure that is the van we use (we also have a chevy) and we carry most of 
that in it...

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: Mark Radabaugh 

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:21 AM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

   

  There is no way in hell I would ever want to work out of those vans, and 
there is no way to get all the equipment we carry in one.

   

  32’ ladder, 28’ ladder, cable, Canopy gear in FSK 5.7 and 2.4, 430 5.7, 450 
in 900, 2.4, 3.65 integrated and connectorized, 5.7 integrated and 
connectorizied.  Ubiquiti in various flavors.  Antenna’s and power supplies for 
all of the above.  Non-Pen mounts, regular mounts, roof mounts, power supplies 
for all of the above.  Concrete and poles.  Concrete blocks for non-pen mount.  
Power auger, post hole digger, indoor and outdoor wire and cable, tools, indoor 
supplies (wall plates, punchdowns, etc).  We would have to tow a trailer to 
carry all of that with that van - or spend hours a day digging through the 
gigantic mess in the back of the van.

   

  One trip and done.

   

  Mark

   

On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

 


http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875

Here is one with 36,000 miles.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

For what you pay for a new van, 

Re: [AFMUG] Ip, console server?

[Josh Baird]

Here is the solution that we just rolled:

https://www.get-console.com/shop/en/device-servers/98-airconsole-ts-8-port.html

We then bought a used Cradlepoint+Verizon modem off of eBay for < $200.
It's the cheapest solution that you will find. Get-Console has a 'cloud
server' that we host in EC2 that tunnels the consoles to the server.  You
don't have to have a public routable IP on Verizon for this (which costs
$500) to work properly.  Other than some minor support issues (the company
is located in NZ), everything is working pretty smoothly.

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:

> Hi
>
>
>
> We may get into situation where we may need to do remote management of
> router via console port.
>
>
>
> Any suggestion on ip console server to buy? 8 or 16 port.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tushar
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ip, console server?

[David]

Are there any of these that also have a modem build in for backup access?

On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 8:15 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:

> Cyclades makes a pretty decent console server. DIGI as well. You can pick
> them up on eBay quite inexpensive.
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digi-CM48-48-ports-RJ45-Serial-
> Console-Terminal-Server-5687-01-w-Cable-1A-/112163029641
>
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>
> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>
> On Oct 18, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> We may get into situation where we may need to do remote management of
> router via console port.
>
> Any suggestion on ip console server to buy? 8 or 16 port.
>
> Thanks,
> Tushar
>
>
>


-- 
David Kunat

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Ken Hohhof]

If you believe in the free market, the “value” of new and used vans should be 
about equal.

 

I would think if you have a “fleet” of more than 1-2 vehicles, there would be 
value in having them all similar, right down to the shelving and what tools and 
parts they are stocked with, right down to where they are in the van.  So you 
could send a tech out in any vehicle and they wouldn’t waste a bunch of time 
looking for stuff.  That also assumes some discipline that your techs keep the 
vans clean, organized, and stocked, or that you have a second shift to do that. 
 That’s something that impressed me when WISPER did that open house a couple 
years ago, other than one NV200, they were all Transit Connects and it didn’t 
matter which one you took out, they were all identically equipped and stocked.  
I wouldn’t want such a small van though, nor would I want to drive around our 
back roads in winter in a Transit Connect, but somehow WISPER makes it work.

 

Or if you’re like me, too small to have a “fleet”, then you’re really screwed 
if your vehicle has to go into the shop.  So there is something reassuring 
about having a new vehicle with full warranty, just send it to the dealer for 
scheduled maintenance, and unless someone abuses it there shouldn’t be any 
major problems for quite a few years.  At that point, it can now become your 
“used” vehicle, or you can sell it off to someone who prefers to buy vehicles 
used and partly depreciated, and buy another new one, equipped and upfitted to 
your specifications.

 

I have noticed when looking at used vehicles already equipped with ladder racks 
and shelves, that people beat the crap out of them.  They look OK in the online 
photos, but when you check them out in person, they never look so good.  I 
suppose it comes down to putting the time into checking out enough of them.  
Maybe the middle ground would be to identify a big company that equips their 
vans the way you like, find out who they send their used or surplus vans to, 
and buy those.  At least they would all be the same.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

 

Pretty sure that is the van we use (we also have a chevy) and we carry most of 
that in it...

 

- Original Message - 

From: Mark Radabaugh   

To: af@afmug.com   

Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

 

There is no way in hell I would ever want to work out of those vans, and there 
is no way to get all the equipment we carry in one.

 

32’ ladder, 28’ ladder, cable, Canopy gear in FSK 5.7 and 2.4, 430 5.7, 450 in 
900, 2.4, 3.65 integrated and connectorized, 5.7 integrated and connectorizied. 
 Ubiquiti in various flavors.  Antenna’s and power supplies for all of the 
above.  Non-Pen mounts, regular mounts, roof mounts, power supplies for all of 
the above.  Concrete and poles.  Concrete blocks for non-pen mount.  Power 
auger, post hole digger, indoor and outdoor wire and cable, tools, indoor 
supplies (wall plates, punchdowns, etc).  We would have to tow a trailer to 
carry all of that with that van - or spend hours a day digging through the 
gigantic mess in the back of the van.

 

One trip and done.

 

Mark

 

On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rory Conaway  > wrote:

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true
 

 =item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875

Here is one with 36,000 miles.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with 100,000 
miles on them and still expense it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
paying for it.

If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you expense 
the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are kicking 
the tax can down the road.

I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with upfit.  
The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones (the 
Sprinters) are about 7 years old 

Re: [AFMUG] Ip, console server?

[Justin Wilson]

Cyclades makes a pretty decent console server. DIGI as well. You can pick them 
up on eBay quite inexpensive.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digi-CM48-48-ports-RJ45-Serial-Console-Terminal-Server-5687-01-w-Cable-1A-/112163029641
 



Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Oct 18, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Tushar Patel  wrote:
> 
> Hi
>  
> We may get into situation where we may need to do remote management of router 
> via console port.
>  
> Any suggestion on ip console server to buy? 8 or 16 port.
>  
> Thanks,
> Tushar

[AFMUG] Ip, console server?

[Tushar Patel]

Hi

 

We may get into situation where we may need to do remote management of
router via console port.

 

Any suggestion on ip console server to buy? 8 or 16 port.

 

Thanks,

Tushar

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP repair

[Justin Wilson]

Surplus Wireless Gear.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Oct 17, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Josh Luthman  
> wrote:
> 
> Check PDMNet and SWG?
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Vlad Sedov  > wrote:
> Hey folks. Does anyone repair GPS-enabled ePMP-1000 units?
> 
> cheers
> 
> 
> vlad
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: NFLX

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

yay :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: Bill Prince 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: NFLX


  We can take partial credit. We signed up for about 3 million accounts in 
Russia...




bp


On 10/18/2016 7:06 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


well, i purchased 85 shares of nflx on August 25 2015.   Price?  $112 a 
share.
I'm happy today.
I'm not sure how much I'll sell to "break even".
I've been waiting a long time.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:52 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: NFLX


  Hey...

  Anyone make a killing on NFLX stock?? Up 20% in a single day. I still 
  don't understand Karl Icahn selling out a year ago... seems like he 
  missed out on billions. LOL

  Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Pretty sure that is the van we use (we also have a chevy) and we carry most of 
that in it...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark Radabaugh 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans


  There is no way in hell I would ever want to work out of those vans, and 
there is no way to get all the equipment we carry in one.   


  32’ ladder, 28’ ladder, cable, Canopy gear in FSK 5.7 and 2.4, 430 5.7, 450 
in 900, 2.4, 3.65 integrated and connectorized, 5.7 integrated and 
connectorizied.  Ubiquiti in various flavors.  Antenna’s and power supplies for 
all of the above.  Non-Pen mounts, regular mounts, roof mounts, power supplies 
for all of the above.  Concrete and poles.  Concrete blocks for non-pen mount.  
Power auger, post hole digger, indoor and outdoor wire and cable, tools, indoor 
supplies (wall plates, punchdowns, etc).  We would have to tow a trailer to 
carry all of that with that van - or spend hours a day digging through the 
gigantic mess in the back of the van.


  One trip and done.


  Mark


On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:



http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875



Here is one with 36,000 miles.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans



For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with 
100,000 miles on them and still expense it.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans



Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every 
few years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
paying for it.



If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you 
expense the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are 
kicking the tax can down the road.



I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with 
upfit.  The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones (the 
Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for long ago.   
Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer newer equipment for 
the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when one breaks down and we 
have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting around without a vehicle.  
The PR value of having decent looking equipment with good graphics and the 
ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to do the job in one truck roll 
is worth the extra expense.



Mark



  On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman  
wrote:



  I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373



  On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via 
depreciation, etc. Leases are just much simpler.



bp On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Why can't you write off that?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far 
better value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with 
shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to add.  
eBay has them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last 300-500K 
miles (mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive savings.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans



That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)



I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for 
you.






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-) 
Your more than welcome to come visit.



Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like 

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

[Ben Royer]

Thanks to TBW for their videos and such, we didn’t get to attend this year as 
we have been busy with the network and I have a little girl due in just a few 
weeks!  Enjoying seeing what the show had to offer from everyone.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Chris Wright 
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Here’s TBW’s WISPApalooza 2016 playlist: 
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL56ppmTc2o72awtcT1YiqW-y1QLIR7YoQ

TBW Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/

 

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

 

I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that J

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

 

It's in almost every e-mail I send.  ;-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Paul McCall" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Got a Link?   Can’t seem to find it?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

 

Look at the TBW FB page.  ;-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Paul McCall" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:54:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Since I am stuck in Florida doing network recovery after the hurricane, can I 
live vicariously through you guys?

 

What are the big highlights of the show?

 

Paul

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting

[Chuck McCown]

Oh, ...  nevermind...

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:32 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting 

The AF5X is a connectorized version. The "peanut" design of other AFxx 
designs is not applicable.



bp


On 10/18/2016 8:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
AF has a non symmetry in the TX and RX antennas.  If all the signal 
was coming out of the same antenna I would say that yes, it is hard to 
cause a non symmetry. 

Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting

[Bill Prince]

The AF5X is a connectorized version. The "peanut" design of other AFxx 
designs is not applicable.



bp


On 10/18/2016 8:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
AF has a non symmetry in the TX and RX antennas.  If all the signal 
was coming out of the same antenna I would say that yes, it is hard to 
cause a non symmetry. 

Re: [AFMUG] the state actor that cut Assange's Internet was ...

[Bill Prince]

Wonder if he tried rebooting his router?


bp


On 10/17/2016 7:15 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
story i heard while driving today and having a MSM (main stream media) 
channel on my xm radio said it was JOHN KERRY putting pressure on 
Ecuador...


- Original Message -
*From:* Ken Hohhof 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 9:05 PM
*Subject:* [AFMUG] the state actor that cut Assange's Internet was ...

So it was Ecuador?  Did they just unplug his Ethernet cable in the
IT closet?  Oh, and it happened on Saturday?


http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/301393-wikileaks-ecuador-cut-off-julian-assanges-internet

Re: [AFMUG] OT: NFLX

[Bill Prince]

We can take partial credit. We signed up for about 3 million accounts in 
Russia...



bp


On 10/18/2016 7:06 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
well, i purchased 85 shares of nflx on August 25 2015.   Price?  $112 
a share.

I'm happy today.
I'm not sure how much I'll sell to "break even".
I've been waiting a long time.

- Original Message -
*From:* Travis Johnson 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:52 AM
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: NFLX

Hey...

Anyone make a killing on NFLX stock?? Up 20% in a single day. I still
don't understand Karl Icahn selling out a year ago... seems like he
missed out on billions. LOL

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting

[Stefan Englhardt]

He is using AF5X



Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2016 17:18
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting



AF has a non symmetry in the TX and RX antennas.  If all the signal was coming 
out of the same antenna I would say that yes, it is hard to cause a non 
symmetry.



From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:15 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting



RF paths though are almost always symmetric.



Most common cause would be xmt power set wrong or bad electronics.  Also 20 dB 
low is often symptomatic of a bad power amp on the xmt side or a bad RF switch 
on a TDD radio.



Only after all the horses have been investigated and eliminated would I start 
looking for zebras.



If you have a spare radio, I would swap out the radio at the xmt end of the bad 
path.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting



I would bet on the tank causing problems.  You need to be 10-20 or more 
wavelengths away from anything to get predictable results.



From: Craig House

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 5:37 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting



It's always been pretty accurate in the past and I have a pretty wide-open view 
I'm 85 feet up on the water tower that sits on a mountaintop on one end and I'm 
200 feet up on the building roof top on the other end. The odd part is that I 
am achieving that -65 signal on at least one of the chains. I have a feeling 
that it resting on the top of the tank is possibly causing some weird reflection

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:34, Josh Luthman  > wrote:

Doesn't include land cover I bet

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Oct 17, 2016 7:25 PM, "Craig House"  > wrote:

Wink planner shows that it supposed to be a -65 signal

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:20, Josh Luthman  > wrote:

Plug into LinkPlanner

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Oct 17, 2016 7:11 PM, "Craig House"  > wrote:

Very close to the top of the water tower on the remote end.  It bottom of the 
dish is resting on hr tank because the mount wasn't stable enough with all the 
wind here today 45mph.  I'll raise it up and brace the mount tomorrow and see 
what happens.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:03, David Kunat   > wrote:
>
> There are only two polarities on th af-x series.
>
> The first two are the receive signals at the local device.
>
> The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device receive 
> levels (at the far end of the link).
>
> Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground or close 
> to tree tops on one end?
>
>
> > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House  >  > wrote:
> >
> > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than the other 3 
> > how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have already tried to point 
> > both ends better but they are 22 miles apart by air. 45 minutes by drive 
> > and I dont want to just keep driving and climbing if someone can tell me 
> > which end has the problem.
> >
> > Craig
> > 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Mark Radabaugh]

There is no way in hell I would ever want to work out of those vans, and there 
is no way to get all the equipment we carry in one.   

32’ ladder, 28’ ladder, cable, Canopy gear in FSK 5.7 and 2.4, 430 5.7, 450 in 
900, 2.4, 3.65 integrated and connectorized, 5.7 integrated and connectorizied. 
 Ubiquiti in various flavors.  Antenna’s and power supplies for all of the 
above.  Non-Pen mounts, regular mounts, roof mounts, power supplies for all of 
the above.  Concrete and poles.  Concrete blocks for non-pen mount.  Power 
auger, post hole digger, indoor and outdoor wire and cable, tools, indoor 
supplies (wall plates, punchdowns, etc).  We would have to tow a trailer to 
carry all of that with that van - or spend hours a day digging through the 
gigantic mess in the back of the van.

One trip and done.

Mark

> On Oct 18, 2016, at 9:55 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875
>  
> 
>  
> Here is one with 36,000 miles.
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>  
> For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with 100,000 
> miles on them and still expense it.
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>  
> Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
> years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
> exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
> paying for it.
>  
> If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you expense 
> the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are kicking 
> the tax can down the road.
>  
> I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with 
> upfit.  The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones 
> (the Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for long 
> ago.   Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer newer 
> equipment for the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when one 
> breaks down and we have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting around 
> without a vehicle.  The PR value of having decent looking equipment with good 
> graphics and the ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to do the job 
> in one truck roll is worth the extra expense.
>  
> Mark
>  
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>  
> I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
> On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince"  > wrote:
> I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via depreciation, 
> etc. Leases are just much simpler.
>  
> bp
> 
>  
> On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> Why can't you write off that?
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
> On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway"  > wrote:
> If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better 
> value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with 
> shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to add.  
> eBay has them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last 300-500K 
> miles (mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive savings.
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>  
> That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)
>  
> I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.
> 
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh  > wrote:
> Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-) Your 
> more than welcome to come visit.
>  
> Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

sounds to me a lot of that was in atlantic city when the town was imploding
i could be wrong.  i probably am.

  - Original Message - 
  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 1:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics


  Dependent upon the contract, I wouldnt pay if the service or goods were not 
delivered to a satisfaction of the contract terms either.


  I would bet alot of these "stiffed" companies historical data, BBB and 
otherwise is not what you would call stellar. sure there may be an outlier to 
stick up at a podium and call them the representative norm, I can call my shoe 
a treefrog if I want to, but it doesnt make it so


  On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Sam Morris  wrote:

My mistake. I was referring to Trump's companies. Not the illegal Clinton 
Foundation. God I hope they get audited. :)  I agree with your statement 100% 
Rory.

(I know someone is going to say something about Trump not paying his 
employees or contractors. One has to wonder though how long thousands of people 
would continue to go to work were they not getting paid.)


On 10/17/2016 1:12 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:

  You mean the 5.7% of the income they actually spent on charities or the 
94% they spent on salaries, travel, and other expenses?

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Morris
  Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:50 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics

  Or the thousands pf people employed by his companies.

  On 10/10/2016 2:50 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

The Clinton Foundation has actually done some good in the world; as
opposed to the other guy's. His "Foundation" has served no one other
than himself or his "companies".


bp


On 10/10/2016 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

  Yep and that was the start of the Clinton Foundation...

  On 10/10/2016 12:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Don't forget it was a republican congress that wrote and passed the
legislation.

I'm not taking him off the hook, just pointing out that it takes two
to tango.


bp


On 10/10/2016 12:35 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

  Once again, Chuck, you nailed it...   BC was just lucky to be 
sitting
  on a mountain of money and it made him look like a god.. Then he
  signed the dumbest piece of legislature to come along in 50 years
  against advice on the last few days of his presidency..  Not 
inspiring
  in any way...   But we are now wedged and your advice is correct. 
 We
  will survive another 4 years and hope she doesn't pull a BC on her
  last days in office.

  On 10/10/2016 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Bill Clinton just happened to coincide with the tech boom and 
the
advent of the commercial internet.  That is what produced the
surplus, he just lucked out.  His decisions to deregulate 
mortgage
banking is what brought us all back down in 2008.
I have told former business partners (upon learning of their
infidelity)
if you will cheat on your spouse you sure as hell will cheat me.
In my mind the game is over.  4 years of watching something that
could have been so much better lies ahead.  Been through it
before, can endure it again.
Winston Churchill said Democracy is the WORST form of 
governments
except for all the others.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2016 11:37 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - Politics Now you sound like my Trump
loving buddystate facts.not shit you hear from Hannity,
OReilly, Limbaugh and bunch..
Bill Clinton (An unfaithful husbandI don't mince words)
balanced the budget and we had a surplusa Democrat..but he
didn't do it BFM...(By Fucking Magic for you hard of 
hearing)...it
took both sides to get those things goingKnock Obama all you
want, you do anyways, but he inherited a shit storm and even 
with
all the Republican resistance, got
us out of the recession.   Trump used the recession to make
money..(fact...like Potter in Capra's movie)...Trump keeps 
blaming
Obama for ISIS!!! really.lets revise history like our Texas
Board of Education does all the time.Wrong is wrong, no 
matter
who does itClinton, Trump, 

Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting

[Chuck McCown]

AF has a non symmetry in the TX and RX antennas.  If all the signal was coming 
out of the same antenna I would say that yes, it is hard to cause a non 
symmetry.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting

RF paths though are almost always symmetric.

 

Most common cause would be xmt power set wrong or bad electronics.  Also 20 dB 
low is often symptomatic of a bad power amp on the xmt side or a bad RF switch 
on a TDD radio.

 

Only after all the horses have been investigated and eliminated would I start 
looking for zebras.

 

If you have a spare radio, I would swap out the radio at the xmt end of the bad 
path.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting

 

I would bet on the tank causing problems.  You need to be 10-20 or more 
wavelengths away from anything to get predictable results.  

 

From: Craig House 

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 5:37 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting

 

It's always been pretty accurate in the past and I have a pretty wide-open view 
I'm 85 feet up on the water tower that sits on a mountaintop on one end and I'm 
200 feet up on the building roof top on the other end. The odd part is that I 
am achieving that -65 signal on at least one of the chains. I have a feeling 
that it resting on the top of the tank is possibly causing some weird reflection

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:34, Josh Luthman  wrote:

  Doesn't include land cover I bet

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Oct 17, 2016 7:25 PM, "Craig House"  wrote:

Wink planner shows that it supposed to be a -65 signal

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:20, Josh Luthman  wrote:

  Plug into LinkPlanner

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Oct 17, 2016 7:11 PM, "Craig House"  wrote:

Very close to the top of the water tower on the remote end.  It bottom 
of the dish is resting on hr tank because the mount wasn't stable enough with 
all the wind here today 45mph.  I'll raise it up and brace the mount tomorrow 
and see what happens.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:03, David Kunat  wrote:
>
> There are only two polarities on th af-x series.
>
> The first two are the receive signals at the local device.
>
> The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device 
receive levels (at the far end of the link).
>
> Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground 
or close to tree tops on one end?
>
>
> > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House  
wrote:
> >
> > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than the 
other 3 how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have already tried to 
point both ends better but they are 22 miles apart by air. 45 minutes by drive 
and I dont want to just keep driving and climbing if someone can tell me which 
end has the problem.
> >
> > Craig
> > 

Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting

[Ken Hohhof]

RF paths though are almost always symmetric.

 

Most common cause would be xmt power set wrong or bad electronics.  Also 20 dB 
low is often symptomatic of a bad power amp on the xmt side or a bad RF switch 
on a TDD radio.

 

Only after all the horses have been investigated and eliminated would I start 
looking for zebras.

 

If you have a spare radio, I would swap out the radio at the xmt end of the bad 
path.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting

 

I would bet on the tank causing problems.  You need to be 10-20 or more 
wavelengths away from anything to get predictable results.  

 

From: Craig House 

Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 5:37 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting

 

It's always been pretty accurate in the past and I have a pretty wide-open view 
I'm 85 feet up on the water tower that sits on a mountaintop on one end and I'm 
200 feet up on the building roof top on the other end. The odd part is that I 
am achieving that -65 signal on at least one of the chains. I have a feeling 
that it resting on the top of the tank is possibly causing some weird reflection

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:34, Josh Luthman  > wrote:

Doesn't include land cover I bet

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Oct 17, 2016 7:25 PM, "Craig House"  > wrote:

Wink planner shows that it supposed to be a -65 signal

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:20, Josh Luthman  > wrote:

Plug into LinkPlanner

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Oct 17, 2016 7:11 PM, "Craig House"  > wrote:

Very close to the top of the water tower on the remote end.  It bottom of the 
dish is resting on hr tank because the mount wasn't stable enough with all the 
wind here today 45mph.  I'll raise it up and brace the mount tomorrow and see 
what happens.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:03, David Kunat   > wrote:
>
> There are only two polarities on th af-x series.
>
> The first two are the receive signals at the local device.
>
> The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device receive 
> levels (at the far end of the link).
>
> Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground or close 
> to tree tops on one end?
>
>
> > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House  >  > wrote:
> >
> > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than the other 3 
> > how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have already tried to point 
> > both ends better but they are 22 miles apart by air. 45 minutes by drive 
> > and I dont want to just keep driving and climbing if someone can tell me 
> > which end has the problem.
> >
> > Craig
> > 

Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting

[Chuck McCown]

I would bet on the tank causing problems.  You need to be 10-20 or more 
wavelengths away from anything to get predictable results.  

From: Craig House 
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 5:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5x troubleshooting

It's always been pretty accurate in the past and I have a pretty wide-open view 
I'm 85 feet up on the water tower that sits on a mountaintop on one end and I'm 
200 feet up on the building roof top on the other end. The odd part is that I 
am achieving that -65 signal on at least one of the chains. I have a feeling 
that it resting on the top of the tank is possibly causing some weird reflection

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:34, Josh Luthman  wrote:


  Doesn't include land cover I bet

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Oct 17, 2016 7:25 PM, "Craig House"  wrote:

Wink planner shows that it supposed to be a -65 signal

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:20, Josh Luthman  wrote:


  Plug into LinkPlanner

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Oct 17, 2016 7:11 PM, "Craig House"  wrote:

Very close to the top of the water tower on the remote end.  It bottom 
of the dish is resting on hr tank because the mount wasn't stable enough with 
all the wind here today 45mph.  I'll raise it up and brace the mount tomorrow 
and see what happens.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 17, 2016, at 18:03, David Kunat  wrote:
>
> There are only two polarities on th af-x series.
>
> The first two are the receive signals at the local device.
>
> The second two (Rem chain0 and Rem chain 1) are the remote device 
receive levels (at the far end of the link).
>
> Is there something in the way? Are you shooting close to the ground 
or close to tree tops on one end?
>
>
> > On Oct 17, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Craig House  
wrote:
> >
> > So when you have one chain that shows almost 20 dbi weaker than the 
other 3 how do you tell which end to troubleshoot? I have already tried to 
point both ends better but they are 22 miles apart by air. 45 minutes by drive 
and I dont want to just keep driving and climbing if someone can tell me which 
end has the problem.
> >
> > Craig
> > 

Re: [AFMUG] the state actor that cut Assange's Internet was ...

[Micah Miller]

"it will be cool if pam anderson is a covert vegan operative
assasinating people, maybe kim ping pong over there in north korea
will be a little more leary of rodman, maybe all our celebs are
operatives"

According to the Men in Black movie, many celebs are aliens as well :)

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 10:25 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:
> they get to risk being drone striked at any time, so there is the excitement
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>>
>> The embassy may be getting tired of him.  What do they get by letting him
>> stay there?
>>
>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>
>>> im new to reddit so i dont know how to verify anything, but apparently
>>> they simply shut off his wifi. It makes sense is something as simple as
>>> that, I assume its a secure facility and they control all the wireless in
>>> the building. but the initial report mad it sound like a secure channel was
>>> infiltrated and brought down james bond style, more like uncheck ESSID
>>> "wikileaks"
>>>
>>> They are also claiming 14 wikileaks operatives internet connections are
>>> down
>>>
>>> maybe he simply didnt pay his bill?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 9:15 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> story i heard while driving today and having a MSM (main stream
>>> media) channel on my xm radio said it was JOHN KERRY putting
>>> pressure on Ecuador...
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 9:05 PM
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] the state actor that cut Assange's Internet
>>> was ...
>>>
>>> So it was Ecuador?  Did they just unplug his Ethernet cable in
>>> the IT closet?  Oh, and it happened on Saturday?
>>>
>>>
>>> http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/301393-wikileaks-ecuador-cut-off-julian-assanges-internet
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



-- 
Micah Miller
Network/Server Administrator
Network Business Systems, Inc.
Phone: 309-944-8823

Re: [AFMUG] OT: NFLX

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

well, i purchased 85 shares of nflx on August 25 2015.   Price?  $112 a share.
I'm happy today.
I'm not sure how much I'll sell to "break even".
I've been waiting a long time.


  - Original Message - 
  From: Travis Johnson 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:52 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: NFLX


  Hey...

  Anyone make a killing on NFLX stock?? Up 20% in a single day. I still 
  don't understand Karl Icahn selling out a year ago... seems like he 
  missed out on billions. LOL

  Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Josh Luthman]

Do they have medium roof/stand height vans around those years?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 18, 2016 9:55 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-
> Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true&
> hash=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875
>
>
>
> Here is one with 36,000 miles.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with
> 100,000 miles on them and still expense it.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every
> few years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time
> you exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your
> still paying for it.
>
>
>
> If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you
> expense the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you
> are kicking the tax can down the road.
>
>
>
> I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with
> upfit.  The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones
> (the Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for
> long ago.   Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer
> newer equipment for the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle
> when one breaks down and we have to reschedule work and/or have someone
> sitting around without a vehicle.  The PR value of having decent looking
> equipment with good graphics and the ability to carry all of the assorted
> equipment to do the job in one truck roll is worth the extra expense.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via
> depreciation, etc. Leases are just much simpler.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Why can't you write off that?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better
> value is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with
> shelves, ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to
> add.  eBay has them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last
> 300-500K miles (mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive
> savings.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans
>
>
>
> That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)
>
>
>
> I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-) Your
> more than welcome to come visit.
>
>
>
> Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the
> windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
>
> Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the
> ‘truck’ front end.
>
> Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all
> pretty new.
>
> Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability has
> been poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes
> dealer can figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we
> will ever buy another Sprinter.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.  I'd
> love to visit if you could spare some of your time.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> Come visit - you can check 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: NFLX

[Mike Hammett]

I'll take credit for that. Netflix went live on our IX yesterday. :-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Travis Johnson"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 8:52:48 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: NFLX 

Hey... 

Anyone make a killing on NFLX stock?? Up 20% in a single day. I still 
don't understand Karl Icahn selling out a year ago... seems like he 
missed out on billions. LOL 

Travis 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Rory Conaway]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2007-Ford-E-Series-Van-Base-Standard-Cargo-Van-2-Door-/182318024875?forcerrptr=true=item2a730048ab:g:-WcAAOSw-CpYBUjz=182318024875

Here is one with 36,000 miles.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 6:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with 100,000 
miles on them and still expense it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
paying for it.

If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you expense 
the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are kicking 
the tax can down the road.

I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with upfit.  
The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones (the 
Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for long ago.   
Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer newer equipment for 
the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when one breaks down and we 
have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting around without a vehicle.  
The PR value of having decent looking equipment with good graphics and the 
ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to do the job in one truck roll 
is worth the extra expense.

Mark

On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" 
> wrote:
I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via depreciation, 
etc. Leases are just much simpler.


bp




On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Why can't you write off that?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better value 
is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with shelves, 
ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to add.  eBay has 
them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last 300-500K miles 
(mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive savings.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)

I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
> wrote:
Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-) Your more 
than welcome to come visit.

Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the 
windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the ‘truck’ 
front end.
Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all pretty 
new.
Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability has been 
poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes dealer can 
figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we will ever buy 
another Sprinter.

Mark


On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.  I'd love 
to visit if you could spare some of your time.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
> wrote:
Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV, Chrysler Promaster, 
and Freightliner Sprinter versions.

Mark



On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part of it, 
but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without walking 
around 

Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

[Rory Conaway]

For what you pay for a new van, you can by 3 fully equipped vans with 100,000 
miles on them and still expense it.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

Lease is a straight expense on the books and you get new equipment every few 
years - but there are significant upfit costs that you lose each time you 
exchange the van.  Sure they can be built into the lease - but your still 
paying for it.

If you buy you would normally depreciate but IRS Section 179 lets you expense 
the entire thing if you want to.   Sometimes that just means you are kicking 
the tax can down the road.

I usually finance them over 48 months and figure approximately 40k with upfit.  
The last couple have been closer to 45k all in.   The oldest ones (the 
Sprinters) are about 7 years old now and were expensed and paid for long ago.   
Anything we get out of them now is just a bonus.   I prefer newer equipment for 
the trucks as it’s a significant expense and hassle when one breaks down and we 
have to reschedule work and/or have someone sitting around without a vehicle.  
The PR value of having decent looking equipment with good graphics and the 
ability to carry all of the assorted equipment to do the job in one truck roll 
is worth the extra expense.

Mark

On Oct 17, 2016, at 8:27 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

I've been buying, feels like it makes more sense.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 8:22 PM, "Bill Prince" 
> wrote:
I think you can still write it off, but you have to do it via depreciation, 
etc. Leases are just much simpler.


bp




On 10/17/2016 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Why can't you write off that?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 17, 2016 8:17 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
If you aren’t taking the writeoff on leasing or purchasing, a far better value 
is getting an E-150 with 60-100K miles for $15K fully loaded with shelves, 
ladder racks, inverters, and other things we normally have to add.  eBay has 
them all the time.  Considering the drive train should last 300-500K miles 
(mines at 393K miles and runs like a top), it’s a massive savings.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Suggestions for work vans

That sure sounds like Transit wins in your book =)

I'll get with you someday soon to figure out a time if that works for you.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
> wrote:
Yep - all 4 styles.   One of these days I’ll find one I like :-) Your more 
than welcome to come visit.

Transit - good van, only thing I don’t like is the weird masking on the 
windshield for the (nonexistent) rear view mirror.
Nissan has been very reliable but loses a lot of storage area to the ‘truck’ 
front end.
Promasters are roomier than the Ford.  So far so good - but they are all pretty 
new.
Sprinter - were nice to drive when new, not so much now.  Reliability has been 
poor, maintenance extremely expensive, and not even the Mercedes dealer can 
figure out how to fix them when they break.   I don’t believe we will ever buy 
another Sprinter.

Mark


On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

You have all three?!?!  I'm looking at the Transit, NV and Sprinter.  I'd love 
to visit if you could spare some of your time.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Mark Radabaugh 
> wrote:
Come visit - you can check out the Ford Transit, Nissan NV, Chrysler Promaster, 
and Freightliner Sprinter versions.

Mark



On Oct 17, 2016, at 4:37 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

I'll have to see some examples before I decide.  I like the safety part of it, 
but I'd rather be able to go from driver seat to the back without walking 
around the entire vehicle.  I also like the idea of dual sliding doors for the 
same reason.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:
Also whether to add a partition along with those shelves.  (so you can make 
extra money transporting 

[AFMUG] OT: NFLX

[Travis Johnson]

Hey...

Anyone make a killing on NFLX stock?? Up 20% in a single day. I still 
don't understand Karl Icahn selling out a year ago... seems like he 
missed out on billions. LOL


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated

[Daniel White]

We had one in our booth.  I don’t recall if Cambium had one in their booth or 
not.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 10:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated



Whoa, why was this new integrated sector not on display at the WISPA show? They 
had the integrated square one (looks like an iSM) but i definetely did not see 
that integrated tall sector.



On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 7:46 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

I was unaware they had a new model.  Is it a new and improved version replacing 
the original, or are they two different products?



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Daniel White
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 6:11 PM


To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated



I think Ken is confusing the Integrated model with the letter A at the end of 
the PN vs. the new one ending in the letter B.  You want the on in the attached 
Spec Sheet.



The new Integrated 450i has better antenna specs than the old integrated model 
and the Cambium 5GHz sector.  The feedback I’ve heard has been mostly positive, 
although the integrated model prevents you from turning up the TX power by 
playing with the antenna gain settings.  So if your overdriving your gear – it 
might not be a good investment.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 

  dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated



That is the type of information I need.  I was not aware the specs on the 
intergraded were poor.  We have never been very happy with the performance of 
the 85009324001.  That begs the question.  What 90 degree antenna is giving 
great results?



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 2:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated



Why would you do that?  I thought the integrated was more of a convenience 
thing, but at the expensive of sidelobe and F/B performance.



You could swap out the 450 AP for a 450i AP with the same antenna if you are 
wanting to run in U-NII-1 or use 40 MHz channels.

Or there is an MTI 90 degree sector that supposedly has better sidelobe and F/B 
performance if that’s what you  are looking for.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2016 4:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] 450i Integrated



Has anyone replaced a 450 AP and 90 degree antenna (model 85009324001) with a 
450i Integrated?



I would like to know if coverage was same / better, and the level of 
performance improvement?



Thanks



Adam




 


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Re: [AFMUG] portable monitors

[Lewis Bergman]

$89 for a 10.5 inch with keyboard. Maybe not decent but it works pretty
well. Heavier than the usual though.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016, 9:13 PM Chris Wright  wrote:

> For $250 you can get a decent 7” fully functional android tablet with
> decent specs.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 8:06 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] portable monitors
>
>
>
> Found this which you will probably say is way too expensive for a 7”
> display but it is a touchscreen with a sturdy stand and for some
> applications the 7” size would be a plus.  I suspect it gets used as a
> second screen for customers to read and sign.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Mimo-UM-760C-LCD-Monitor-Black/dp/B00UVQO3K6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1476311670=8-1=um-760c
>
>
>
> There is also the HP S140U.  Oh, and ASUS has one for USB Type-C.
>
> https://www.asus.com/us/Monitors/MB169C-plus/
>
>
>
> The Mimo models are the only ones I’ve seen with touchscreen options.
> Both resistive (which I assume is for use with a stylus) and capacitive
> (for fingers?)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Friday, October 7, 2016 11:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] portable monitors
>
>
>
> iPad  can with an app
>
> On Friday, October 7, 2016, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Are those little portable monitors that run entirely off a USB port
> (including power) any good?  Like for attaching to a headless PC when you
> are onsite?
>
>