Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[Jon Langeler]

You will want both diplexers to use both polarities unless: your trying to save 
money, spectrum is scarce, or you won't need the extra capacity. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Oct 24, 2016, at 11:49 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> 
> SISO, one diplexer, FDD makes perfect sense to me. That's your traditional 
> 1+0.
> 
> I could be completely wrong, but the second optional diplexer sounds to me 
> like it's for use where you need to license in separate sub-bands. Next 
> question is, can you run the same sub-band on both ports? So the same Tx 
> channel on both polarities. So then it would be XPIC MIMO?  
> Actually, that'd be pretty nuckin futs if they could do that. And very 
> efficient. And then Ubi-wan Chucknobi comes in and says... unpossible. 
> Just to smash my dreams.
> 
>> On 10/24/2016 10:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> Yeah, I'm confused too.
>> 
>> From the manual... (attached)
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Jon Langeler  
>> wrote:
>>> XPIC is an AF11 sawed in half then slapped into an expensive chunk of metal 
>>> behind the antenna on each polarity. It will be called 'old school' when 
>>> AF11 comes out 
>>> 
>>> Jon Langeler
>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 10:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>>> 
 OK, let me make this clearer. I'm talking about FDD systems using one 
 channel *pair* only. You have a Tx hi and a Tx lo.
 
 AF5 (not X) or 24/HD in FDD mode. Say AF24 running 24.1 Tx and 24.2 Rx. 
 Vice versa for the opposite end. It's a "MIMO" radio system.
 
 Now take traditional microwave vendor X. Same stuff. FDD. Tx hi both 
 polarities at one end, Tx low both polarities at the other. This is called 
 an "XPIC" radio system.
 
 What is the difference between XPIC and MIMO?
 
 Sounds to me like two guys named Pete and Peter walk into a bar. Is the 
 only difference their name, but they're actually the same guy because 
 Steve is drunk and has double vision? Or is Steve not that drunk yet and 
 the two guys are nearly identical twin brothers?
 
 Basically, what the hell is the fundamental   
 difference between the two?
 
 On 10/24/2016 8:35 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> There's 2 diplexers per side, so that would be 2 channel pairs, right? 
> 2xTx 2xRx? MIMO-FD?
> 
> 
> On Oct 24, 2016 8:32 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>> Yes, full duplex (as in using one channel for Tx & one for RX)
>> MIMO as in using both polarities.. yes
>> but as in using both channels to send & receive ... no not as per their 
>> specs.
>> 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> 
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> 
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:51:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>> AF11X actually has two internal radios if my understanding of the 
>> platform is correct. It is Full Duplex + MIMO.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2016 7:03 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>> It's not 100% clear from your description, but the AF11x is using both 
>>> polarities.
>>> 
>>> The Mimosa is a very strange duck. Even 
>>>   using 2 channels and 2 polarities, there is no way to 
>>> actually run it full duplex. The high-latency half duplex is pretty 
>>> much baked in. IMO, it squanders air bandwidth at the expense of 
>>> cheapness. And it's highest modulation rate is still only 256QAM. We 
>>> had serious trouble trying to even get 256QAM on a relatively   
>>> modest distance link.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/24/2016 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>> I will take a crack at it... just to make sure that My understanding is 
>>> correct too.
>>> 
>>> In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as follows:-
>>>A single channel  is actually two channels, one channel is used to 
>>> Transmit and the other channel is used to receive.
>>>and each of these channels pair can be either in V polarity or H 
>>> polarity (but not mingled).
>>>  
>>> XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can mount two radios 
>>> together, one using the H polarity and the other using V polarity, but 
>>> the same channel...
>>> But still only one channel (H + V) is used to transmit and the other 
>>> channel is used to Receive. (Thus Full duplex)
>>> 
>>> MIMO, = One Channel, both H & V polarities are used,  

[AFMUG] OT David Blaine

[Chuck McCown]

At the Calix users group meeting in Las Vegas.
Watched David Blaine drink 1 gallon of water, then 1 pint of something similar 
to kerosene.  Then he spit out the kerosene into a ball of fire and set a 
fixture on fire.  Then he spit out the water to put out the fire.  I could feel 
the heat from the fire as he was blowing it around.

Did some other card stuff that was amazing.  I was in the front row.  A woman 
behind me was called up on stage to help  him.  The trick involved her counting 
out 10 cards and holding them to her chest.  Then he claimed to add 3 cards.  
He had her count them out and there was 13.  Then he had her hold them again to 
her chest, claiming to add 7 cards and had her count them.  There were 20 cards.

He never touched her or the cards at any time.  When she came back to her seat 
I overheard her telling her friends that she could feel the cards grow in her 
hand as she was holding them.  Has to be some kind of time release adhesive or 
temperature release etc.  It did  actually happen, question is just how.  

Later he poked an ice pick through his palm.  That was real. 

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[George Skorup]

SISO, one diplexer, FDD makes perfect sense to me. That's your 
traditional 1+0.


I could be completely wrong, but the second optional diplexer sounds to 
me like it's for use where you need to license in separate sub-bands. 
Next question is, can you run the same sub-band on both ports? So the 
same Tx channel on both polarities. So then it would be XPIC MIMO? 
 Actually, that'd be pretty nuckin futs if they could do that. 
And very efficient. And then Ubi-wan Chucknobi comes in and says... 
unpossible. Just to smash my dreams.


On 10/24/2016 10:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Yeah, I'm confused too.

From the manual... (attached)

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Jon Langeler 
> wrote:


XPIC is an AF11 sawed in half then slapped into an expensive chunk
of metal behind the antenna on each polarity. It will be called
'old school' when AF11 comes out

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Oct 24, 2016, at 10:23 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


OK, let me make this clearer. I'm talking about FDD systems using
one channel *pair* only. You have a Tx hi and a Tx lo.

AF5 (not X) or 24/HD in FDD mode. Say AF24 running 24.1 Tx and
24.2 Rx. Vice versa for the opposite end. It's a "MIMO" radio system.

Now take traditional microwave vendor X. Same stuff. FDD. Tx hi
both polarities at one end, Tx low both polarities at the other.
This is called an "XPIC" radio system.

What is the difference between XPIC and MIMO?

Sounds to me like two guys named Pete and Peter walk into a bar.
Is the only difference their name, but they're actually the same
guy because Steve is drunk and has double vision? Or is Steve not
that drunk yet and the two guys are nearly identical twin brothers?

Basically, what the hell is the fundamental difference between
the two?

On 10/24/2016 8:35 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


There's 2 diplexers per side, so that would be 2 channel pairs,
right? 2xTx 2xRx? MIMO-FD?


On Oct 24, 2016 8:32 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"
> wrote:

Yes, full duplex (as in using one channel for Tx & one for RX)
MIMO as in using both polarities.. yes
but as in using both channels to send & receive ... no not
as per their specs.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




*From: *"Josh Reynolds" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 8:51:52 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

AF11X actually has two internal radios if my
understanding of the platform is correct. It is Full
Duplex + MIMO.


On Oct 24, 2016 7:03 PM, "Bill Prince"
> wrote:

It's not 100% clear from your description, but the
AF11x is using both polarities.

The Mimosa is a very strange duck. Even using 2
channels and 2 polarities, there is no way to
actually run it full duplex. The high-latency half
duplex is pretty much baked in. IMO, it squanders
air bandwidth at the expense of cheapness. And it's
highest modulation rate is still only 256QAM. We had
serious trouble trying to even get 256QAM on a
relatively modest distance link.


bp


On 10/24/2016 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

I will take a crack at it... just to make sure
that My understanding is correct too.

In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as
follows:-
   A single channel  is actually two channels,
one channel is used to Transmit and the other
channel is used to receive.
   and each of these channels pair can be either
in V polarity or H polarity (but not mingled).
XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can
mount two radios together, one using the H
polarity and the other using V polarity, but the
same channel...
But still only one channel (H + V) is used 

Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

[Sterling Jacobson]

They were, now they are not after we swapped them. 

Though even that I'm second guessing now.

This is getting me all worked up again.
I'm going to go kick my dog in frustration for a few minutes.

Just kidding, I love my dogs.
Maybe I'll kick the cat around instead, he doesn't ever mind.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

Any chance the HI and LO ends are reversed?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Omni Flux
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 10:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

I've never worked with any Ceragon equipment before, but if you just need 
someone who can sweep an antenna and watch a meter, I'm in Nephi.

I'm familiar with the brackets on Radio Waves, Trango, Jirious and Laird dishes.

--
Omni Flux
(435) 660-0993

On 2016-10-24 19:59, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
> I need to get my Ceragon link running, it's been forever.
> 
> I think someone on this list had offered me their service local to 
> Utah
for this.
> I am paying for this, either by Job or by hour.
> 
> If you remember offering, and it's you, or you think you would like to
help, then let me know.
> 
> I've got the link installed on both sides and configured, just 
> something
not lined up or configured correctly.
> 
> The local guys I used originally earlier this year couldn't figure it out.
> And I think the mountain side link is not mounted true and needs a 
> proper
mounting on the leg, or hardware to mount it true, not on the leg at an angle.
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[George Skorup]

Remember what I said about that Dept. of Logic and Reason? You're 
appointed for life.


On 10/24/2016 9:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I don’t know, but I’ll speculate.  Seems like XPIC is a simplified 
case but must be done very well if you are going to get enough SNR for 
4KQAM or whatever.


In XPIC you don’t have depolarization or multipath, so you get A with 
a tiny bit of B mixed in, and B with a tiny bit of A mixed in.  So the 
adaptive filter may not have to do much more than figure out what 
percent of B to subtract from A to cancel out the tiny amount of 
contamination due to insufficient XPOL rejection in the antenna.  Kind 
of like noise cancelling headphones, where the noise is already a 
small component, plus you know what the noise looks like.


Whereas with MIMO each input may be a whole bunch of both A and B, 
plus delayed versions of each due to multipath.  So the adaptive 
filter needs to be more sophisticated to separate out the 2 totally 
jumbled signals, plus have lots of taps to eliminate the multipath.  
Or so I would guess.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 9:24 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

OK, let me make this clearer. I'm talking about FDD systems using one 
channel *pair* only. You have a Tx hi and a Tx lo.


AF5 (not X) or 24/HD in FDD mode. Say AF24 running 24.1 Tx and 24.2 
Rx. Vice versa for the opposite end. It's a "MIMO" radio system.


Now take traditional microwave vendor X. Same stuff. FDD. Tx hi both 
polarities at one end, Tx low both polarities at the other. This is 
called an "XPIC" radio system.


What is the difference between XPIC and MIMO?

Sounds to me like two guys named Pete and Peter walk into a bar. Is 
the only difference their name, but they're actually the same guy 
because Steve is drunk and has double vision? Or is Steve not that 
drunk yet and the two guys are nearly identical twin brothers?


Basically, what the hell is the fundamental difference between the two?

On 10/24/2016 8:35 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

There's 2 diplexers per side, so that would be 2 channel pairs,
right? 2xTx 2xRx? MIMO-FD?

On Oct 24, 2016 8:32 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" > wrote:

Yes, full duplex (as in using one channel for Tx & one for RX)

MIMO as in using both polarities.. yes

but as in using both channels to send & receive ... no not as
per their specs.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




*From: *"Josh Reynolds" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 8:51:52 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

AF11X actually has two internal radios if my understanding
of the platform is correct. It is Full Duplex + MIMO.

On Oct 24, 2016 7:03 PM, "Bill Prince"
> wrote:

It's not 100% clear from your description, but the
AF11x is using both polarities.

The Mimosa is a very strange duck. Even using 2
channels and 2 polarities, there is no way to actually
run it full duplex. The high-latency half duplex is
pretty much baked in. IMO, it squanders air bandwidth
at the expense of cheapness. And it's highest
modulation rate is still only 256QAM. We had serious
trouble trying to even get 256QAM on a relatively
modest distance link.

bp



On 10/24/2016 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

I will take a crack at it... just to make sure
that My understanding is correct too.

In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as
follows:-

 A single channel  is actually two channels, one
channel is used to Transmit and the other channel
is used to receive.

 and each of these channels pair can be either in
V polarity or H polarity (but not mingled).

XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can
mount two radios together, one using the H
polarity and the other using V polarity, but the

Re: [AFMUG] Shark Tank

[Sterling Jacobson]

If this guy/company invests in WISPs, has anyone here actually received any 
money/funds from them?
Until that happens it’s just a load of crap.

I’ve talked to a good number of investors for our fiber company this year.
It boils down to the same few items every time:

They can’t afford it.
They can afford it, but are (supposedly) making tons more interest flipping 
real estate in a lot less than the 3-5 years payback that I am offering.
And the last, they just plain don’t want to because they are investing in 20-30 
smaller companies, all of which will die and leave them with nothing except 
that ONE that will gain them 40B.

Every single person or group I have talked to about investing in Fiber has been 
very very positive about what I am doing and my numbers and model.
But it just isn’t attractive enough or pays out enough fast enough to make them 
move in this economic climate.

My top three hopefuls at the moment are three groups/companies that are already 
doing fiber or fiber related industries.
They ‘get’ it, and are comfortable with the slower rate of return and 
partnership terms.

Generally speaking, the ISP model is considered a utility now, and it’s not as 
sexy as I like to think it is, lol!



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

Yup.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Ken Hohhof" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:23:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
That Leonidas guy?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

I've gotten several emails the past couple weeks from someone about putting 
money in WISPs. I've been ignoring them so far, assuming they were scams.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 6:17:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
I know of an investment group looking specifically to invest in WISPs.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Paul Stewart 
> wrote:
I’ve heard that… hence my opinion that there are much better ways to get money 
if that’s the only motive for doing it….

I participated a couple of times in some nearby “angel investor” groups a few 
years back …. was looking for new ideas/investments - it was quite simple for 
those pitching ideas… no strings attached and if someone liked your idea then 
you went aside in private and discussed more details.  if not, then at least 
some of the folks had a chance to pitch ideas….


On Oct 24, 

Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

[Ken Hohhof]

Any chance the HI and LO ends are reversed?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Omni Flux
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 10:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

I've never worked with any Ceragon equipment before, but if you just need
someone who can sweep an antenna and watch a meter, I'm in Nephi.

I'm familiar with the brackets on Radio Waves, Trango, Jirious and Laird
dishes.

--
Omni Flux
(435) 660-0993

On 2016-10-24 19:59, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
> I need to get my Ceragon link running, it's been forever.
> 
> I think someone on this list had offered me their service local to Utah
for this.
> I am paying for this, either by Job or by hour.
> 
> If you remember offering, and it's you, or you think you would like to
help, then let me know.
> 
> I've got the link installed on both sides and configured, just something
not lined up or configured correctly.
> 
> The local guys I used originally earlier this year couldn't figure it out.
> And I think the mountain side link is not mounted true and needs a proper
mounting on the leg, or hardware to mount it true, not on the leg at an
angle.
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

[Omni Flux]

I've never worked with any Ceragon equipment before, but if you just
need someone who can sweep an antenna and watch a meter, I'm in Nephi.

I'm familiar with the brackets on Radio Waves, Trango, Jirious and Laird
dishes.

-- 
Omni Flux
(435) 660-0993

On 2016-10-24 19:59, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
> I need to get my Ceragon link running, it's been forever.
> 
> I think someone on this list had offered me their service local to Utah for 
> this.
> I am paying for this, either by Job or by hour.
> 
> If you remember offering, and it's you, or you think you would like to help, 
> then let me know.
> 
> I've got the link installed on both sides and configured, just something not 
> lined up or configured correctly.
> 
> The local guys I used originally earlier this year couldn't figure it out.
> And I think the mountain side link is not mounted true and needs a proper 
> mounting on the leg, or hardware to mount it true, not on the leg at an angle.
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[Mike Hammett]

Saying it's MIMO is a great way too to overstate your spectral efficiency, by 
ignoring the fact that you compare 2 polarity systems against 1 polarity 
systems. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "George Skorup"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:23:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system 

OK, let me make this clearer. I'm talking about FDD systems using one channel 
*pair* only. You have a Tx hi and a Tx lo. 

AF5 (not X) or 24/HD in FDD mode. Say AF24 running 24.1 Tx and 24.2 Rx. Vice 
versa for the opposite end. It's a "MIMO" radio system. 

Now take traditional microwave vendor X. Same stuff. FDD. Tx hi both polarities 
at one end, Tx low both polarities at the other. This is called an "XPIC" radio 
system. 

What is the difference between XPIC and MIMO? 

Sounds to me like two guys named Pete and Peter walk into a bar. Is the only 
difference their name, but they're actually the same guy because Steve is drunk 
and has double vision? Or is Steve not that drunk yet and the two guys are 
nearly identical twin brothers? 

Basically, what the hell is the fundamental difference between the two? 


On 10/24/2016 8:35 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: 



There's 2 diplexers per side, so that would be 2 channel pairs, right? 2xTx 
2xRx? MIMO-FD? 


On Oct 24, 2016 8:32 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote: 





Yes, full duplex (as in using one channel for Tx & one for RX) 
MIMO as in using both polarities.. yes 
but as in using both channels to send & receive ... no not as per their specs. 


Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 





From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:51:52 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system 






AF11X actually has two internal radios if my understanding of the platform is 
correct. It is Full Duplex + MIMO. 


On Oct 24, 2016 7:03 PM, "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 




It's not 100% clear from your description, but the AF11x is using both 
polarities. 
The Mimosa is a very strange duck. Even using 2 channels and 2 polarities, 
there is no way to actually run it full duplex. The high-latency half duplex is 
pretty much baked in. IMO, it squanders air bandwidth at the expense of 
cheapness. And it's highest modulation rate is still only 256QAM. We had 
serious trouble trying to even get 256QAM on a relatively modest distance link. 

bp
 
On 10/24/2016 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: 




I will take a crack at it... just to make sure that My understanding is correct 
too. 


In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as follows:- 
A single channel is actually two channels, one channel is used to Transmit and 
the other channel is used to receive. 
and each of these channels pair can be either in V polarity or H polarity (but 
not mingled). 

XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can mount two radios together, one 
using the H polarity and the other using V polarity, but the same channel... 
But still only one channel (H + V) is used to transmit and the other channel is 
used to Receive. (Thus Full duplex) 


MIMO, = One Channel, both H & V polarities are used, and either one can be 
used for Tx and Rx (thus half duplex) 


AF11x = Traditional Licensed radio... one channel/polarity for TX and one 
channel/polarity for RX 
Mimosa B11 = Disruptive... a very odd animal... can be configured as... 
Use one channel (both polarities) for TX and one channel (both polarities) for 
RX 
or ... Use Two Channels, both polarities in each channel, and use either one to 
TX & RX (more like a dual channel MIMO) 
AF5 = Uses one channel (both polarities) for Tx and one channel (both 
polarities) for RX 


AF24 = can be used as 
One Channel (Dual Polarities) for TX and one Channel (Dual Polarities) for RX 
or can use the same one channel (dual polarities) for Tx and Rx. 


Hope this is as clear as mud ! 


:) 




Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 





From: "George Skorup"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 7:09:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system 





What's so much different between XPIC and MIMO? I'm asking because I guess I'm 
just ignorant. MIMO = single carrier (is OFDM implied?), dual streams? And XPIC 
= dual carriers (is single-carrier QAM per channel implied?) and independent 
streams that are aggregated in hardware, perhaps as simple as a LAG on the 
internal switch? Or does XPIC add some more magic? 

So then what is the UBNT AF11X considered? Or the AF5 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Mike Hammett]

Yup. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:23:58 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank 



That Leonidas guy? 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:06 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank 


I've gotten several emails the past couple weeks from someone about putting 
money in WISPs. I've been ignoring them so far, assuming they were scams. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" < jeffl...@att.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 6:17:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank 

I know of an investment group looking specifically to invest in WISPs. 

Jeff Broadwick 

ConVergence Technologies , Inc. 

312-205-2519 Office 

574-220-7826 Cell 

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 


On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Paul Stewart < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote: 



I’ve heard that… hence my opinion that there are much better ways to get money 
if that’s the only motive for doing it…. 



I participated a couple of times in some nearby “angel investor” groups a few 
years back …. was looking for new ideas/investments - it was quite simple for 
those pitching ideas… no strings attached and if someone liked your idea then 
you went aside in private and discussed more details. if not, then at least 
some of the folks had a chance to pitch ideas…. 








On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Travis Johnson < t...@ida.net > wrote: 



It was one of her personal goals to get on Shark Tank, even before I got 
involved in the business. 

I can tell you now, after just getting the actual "deal" paperwork today (she 
filmed months ago), this is the absolute worst deal I have ever seen for a 
small business owner. Royalties, commissions, options to buy equity up to 3 
years into the future, etc. :( 

Travis 



On 10/24/2016 2:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: 



So it doesn't sound like she needs money since she has you. Going in for the 
publicity? 



On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:15 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



ha funny guy 






Jaime Solorza 

Wireless Systems Architect 

915-861-1390 



On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






But I gotta new old motorhome! 






From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:40 AM 

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank 



Crystal meth show has been done Chuck... Next 




On Oct 24, 2016 11:37 AM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 








I have something on the cooker. 






From: Gino Villarini 

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:17 AM 

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank 




nice... when are we going to have a WISP venture there? 




On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 


Pretty cool. One of my favorite shows. 
-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 
10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank 


Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made two years 
ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :) 

It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from nothing 
to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When we first met 
her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment and selling them 
at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is in a 26,000sqft 
warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes overwhelming, but she 
makes things happen. :) 

http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/ 

Travis 

Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

[Sterling Jacobson]

Well, worst case scenario someone along the way f’ed up the hardware and I 
would need the same installer(s) to know enough to tell me I need a new part or 
whatever.

They did take apart the mount and maybe even the antenna from the radio in 
order to shift it to left or right hand mount.
So there is a possibility something happened when they did that.

This link WAS working from the same mountain tower to a slightly different 
location about the same distance just on one polarity for over a year.
Because of licensing, I had to have the radio pair removed, and moved to 
opposite locations, with some storage in between time etc.

I’m going to be super pissed if something happened physically to the radios or 
dishes.
But at the moment everyone working on it so far is too stupid (including 
myself) to know the difference between config/aim and hardware issue.

I’ll still pay to have someone competent tell me that everything is all good 
except that I need a part fixed, IF they can discern that with confidence.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

Misalignment will almost always affect both directions.  Yes, on a licensed 
link the 2 directions are different frequencies, but not that different.

What you describe sounds kind of like a bad radio, or a configuration problem.  
Like xmt power set wrong on one end, or a xmt frequency out of range of the 
diplexer.  I’m not familiar with Ceragon ordering, but I assume they have 
different diplexers for different sub bands.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

That’s probably exactly what happened.

They spent hours on it and were still way off on dB on one side only.
That’s why I assume the other side is angled or rotated too far (dual polarity 
X-Pic).

One guy didn’t even use the volt meter, just had someone read dB from the web 
page.

They didn’t even ask for angles, degrees, nothing.
Just all by supposed line of sight, no scopes, and not even binoculars I think.

I wasn’t too happy about the whole situation, so I don’t want a repeat of that.

It’s less than 10 miles across Utah Lake, one end on a leg on a tower on top of 
a mountain, the other on a smaller tower attached to concrete wall near the 
freeway.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

Are these big dishes?  Did you not get a well defined peak during alignment?  
Is the signal more than a couple dB less than predicted, like 20-30 dB low?  
You’re on a sidelobe.  I’ve had experienced tower guys run into this.  They 
tend to be stubborn and believe they can align a dish with a 1 degree beamwidth 
by eye, and then they spend half an hour trying to tweak the alignment to get 
an extra 1 dB when they’re 20 dB off.  Once the signal starts getting worse, 
they go back the other way instead of continuing.  Convince them to do a wide 
sweep, and they find the main lobe.  You have to go through the valley to find 
the mountain.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

The angle of the leg shouldn't matter...at most you'd loose ~3db but it'd have 
to be almost at a 45* angle for that. (Chuck did a demo at one of the animal 
farm events)

If you can get me remote access I can look at the config for ya.  They are very 
un-intuitive to say the least lol.

-Sean


On Monday, October 24, 2016, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
I need to get my Ceragon link running, it's been forever.

I think someone on this list had offered me their service local to Utah for 
this.
I am paying for this, either by Job or by hour.

If you remember offering, and it's you, or you think you would like to help, 
then let me know.

I've got the link installed on both sides and configured, just something not 
lined up or configured correctly.

The local guys I used originally earlier this year couldn't figure it out.
And I think the mountain side link is not mounted true and needs a proper 
mounting on the leg, or hardware to mount it true, not on the leg at an angle.

Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

[Sterling Jacobson]

Well, that may be possible too, but at that point it’s almost as easy as 
temporarily assigning the radios a public IP.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

If you can do a remote session on your computer that'll work too.

On Monday, October 24, 2016, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
I am trying to get 1:1 public IP for remote access, so if I accomplish that I 
can share the login privately for review.
That would be a lot of help.

From: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
 On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

The angle of the leg shouldn't matter...at most you'd loose ~3db but it'd have 
to be almost at a 45* angle for that. (Chuck did a demo at one of the animal 
farm events)

If you can get me remote access I can look at the config for ya.  They are very 
un-intuitive to say the least lol.

-Sean


On Monday, October 24, 2016, Sterling Jacobson 
> 
wrote:
I need to get my Ceragon link running, it's been forever.

I think someone on this list had offered me their service local to Utah for 
this.
I am paying for this, either by Job or by hour.

If you remember offering, and it's you, or you think you would like to help, 
then let me know.

I've got the link installed on both sides and configured, just something not 
lined up or configured correctly.

The local guys I used originally earlier this year couldn't figure it out.
And I think the mountain side link is not mounted true and needs a proper 
mounting on the leg, or hardware to mount it true, not on the leg at an angle.

Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

[Sterling Jacobson]

Yes, I feel that man, I feel that.

I don’t know exactly why, I checked the settings and they appeared correct, but 
the Ceragons are really horrid on the their install instructions and web page.

However, one of our techs got one of the real Ceragon techs on the phone and 
should have worked through the whole configuration with them.
I’m not 100 percent sure that they are configured correctly for alignment 
though.
That’s why I would prefer someone who had done these before and knew the config 
and steps required for actual alignment and final lock in on BOTH polarities.

My problem was all techs involved, and myself, had never touched or aimed a 
dual polarity radio I think.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

We just did two 11+ mile links on HP3-11's. And the guys ended up about 20dB 
from target RSL on both of them. I said you're stuck on side lobes, try again. 
They were all like, well, how are we supposed to aim these things if it's hazy 
and we can't see the other end? I promptly and semi violently explained that 
you get behind the motherf***er and eye it up with that house/tree/whatever a 
1/2 mile away that I told you was in the center. And then you peak it out with 
the volt meter. This shit ain't rocket science. No, instead you were 10 degrees 
off of where I told you. Sometimes you can't fix derp.

In your case though, why way off on one side? Sounds more like Tx power 
setting. Maybe ATPC is on and misconfigured? I did that on a Trango once. 
Confused the hell out of me for a few minutes until I saw what I did.. or 
didn't do (set power per mod in the ATPC setup).
On 10/24/2016 9:45 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
That’s probably exactly what happened.

They spent hours on it and were still way off on dB on one side only.
That’s why I assume the other side is angled or rotated too far (dual polarity 
X-Pic).

One guy didn’t even use the volt meter, just had someone read dB from the web 
page.

They didn’t even ask for angles, degrees, nothing.
Just all by supposed line of sight, no scopes, and not even binoculars I think.

I wasn’t too happy about the whole situation, so I don’t want a repeat of that.

It’s less than 10 miles across Utah Lake, one end on a leg on a tower on top of 
a mountain, the other on a smaller tower attached to concrete wall near the 
freeway.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

Are these big dishes?  Did you not get a well defined peak during alignment?  
Is the signal more than a couple dB less than predicted, like 20-30 dB low?  
You’re on a sidelobe.  I’ve had experienced tower guys run into this.  They 
tend to be stubborn and believe they can align a dish with a 1 degree beamwidth 
by eye, and then they spend half an hour trying to tweak the alignment to get 
an extra 1 dB when they’re 20 dB off.  Once the signal starts getting worse, 
they go back the other way instead of continuing.  Convince them to do a wide 
sweep, and they find the main lobe.  You have to go through the valley to find 
the mountain.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

The angle of the leg shouldn't matter...at most you'd loose ~3db but it'd have 
to be almost at a 45* angle for that. (Chuck did a demo at one of the animal 
farm events)

If you can get me remote access I can look at the config for ya.  They are very 
un-intuitive to say the least lol.

-Sean


On Monday, October 24, 2016, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
I need to get my Ceragon link running, it's been forever.

I think someone on this list had offered me their service local to Utah for 
this.
I am paying for this, either by Job or by hour.

If you remember offering, and it's you, or you think you would like to help, 
then let me know.

I've got the link installed on both sides and configured, just something not 
lined up or configured correctly.

The local guys I used originally earlier this year couldn't figure it out.
And I think the mountain side link is not mounted true and needs a proper 
mounting on the leg, or hardware to mount it true, not on the leg at an angle.

Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

[Sean Heskett]

If you can do a remote session on your computer that'll work too.

On Monday, October 24, 2016, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

> I am trying to get 1:1 public IP for remote access, so if I accomplish
> that I can share the login privately for review.
>
> That would be a lot of help.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Sean
> Heskett
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 8:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer
>
>
>
> The angle of the leg shouldn't matter...at most you'd loose ~3db but it'd
> have to be almost at a 45* angle for that. (Chuck did a demo at one of the
> animal farm events)
>
>
>
> If you can get me remote access I can look at the config for ya.  They are
> very un-intuitive to say the least lol.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 24, 2016, Sterling Jacobson  > wrote:
>
> I need to get my Ceragon link running, it's been forever.
>
> I think someone on this list had offered me their service local to Utah
> for this.
> I am paying for this, either by Job or by hour.
>
> If you remember offering, and it's you, or you think you would like to
> help, then let me know.
>
> I've got the link installed on both sides and configured, just something
> not lined up or configured correctly.
>
> The local guys I used originally earlier this year couldn't figure it out.
> And I think the mountain side link is not mounted true and needs a proper
> mounting on the leg, or hardware to mount it true, not on the leg at an
> angle.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

[Ken Hohhof]

Misalignment will almost always affect both directions.  Yes, on a licensed 
link the 2 directions are different frequencies, but not that different.

 

What you describe sounds kind of like a bad radio, or a configuration problem.  
Like xmt power set wrong on one end, or a xmt frequency out of range of the 
diplexer.  I’m not familiar with Ceragon ordering, but I assume they have 
different diplexers for different sub bands.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

 

That’s probably exactly what happened.

 

They spent hours on it and were still way off on dB on one side only.

That’s why I assume the other side is angled or rotated too far (dual polarity 
X-Pic).

 

One guy didn’t even use the volt meter, just had someone read dB from the web 
page.

 

They didn’t even ask for angles, degrees, nothing.

Just all by supposed line of sight, no scopes, and not even binoculars I think.

 

I wasn’t too happy about the whole situation, so I don’t want a repeat of that.

 

It’s less than 10 miles across Utah Lake, one end on a leg on a tower on top of 
a mountain, the other on a smaller tower attached to concrete wall near the 
freeway.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

 

Are these big dishes?  Did you not get a well defined peak during alignment?  
Is the signal more than a couple dB less than predicted, like 20-30 dB low?  
You’re on a sidelobe.  I’ve had experienced tower guys run into this.  They 
tend to be stubborn and believe they can align a dish with a 1 degree beamwidth 
by eye, and then they spend half an hour trying to tweak the alignment to get 
an extra 1 dB when they’re 20 dB off.  Once the signal starts getting worse, 
they go back the other way instead of continuing.  Convince them to do a wide 
sweep, and they find the main lobe.  You have to go through the valley to find 
the mountain.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

 

The angle of the leg shouldn't matter...at most you'd loose ~3db but it'd have 
to be almost at a 45* angle for that. (Chuck did a demo at one of the animal 
farm events)

 

If you can get me remote access I can look at the config for ya.  They are very 
un-intuitive to say the least lol.

 

-Sean



On Monday, October 24, 2016, Sterling Jacobson  > wrote:

I need to get my Ceragon link running, it's been forever.

I think someone on this list had offered me their service local to Utah for 
this.
I am paying for this, either by Job or by hour.

If you remember offering, and it's you, or you think you would like to help, 
then let me know.

I've got the link installed on both sides and configured, just something not 
lined up or configured correctly.

The local guys I used originally earlier this year couldn't figure it out.
And I think the mountain side link is not mounted true and needs a proper 
mounting on the leg, or hardware to mount it true, not on the leg at an angle.

Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

[George Skorup]

We just did two 11+ mile links on HP3-11's. And the guys ended up about 
20dB from target RSL on both of them. I said you're stuck on side lobes, 
try again. They were all like, well, how are we supposed to aim these 
things if it's hazy and we can't see the other end? I promptly and semi 
violently explained that you get behind the motherf***er and eye it up 
with that house/tree/whatever a 1/2 mile away that I told you was in the 
center. And then you peak it out with the volt meter. This shit ain't 
rocket science. No, instead you were 10 degrees off of where I told you. 
Sometimes you can't fix derp.


In your case though, why way off on one side? Sounds more like Tx power 
setting. Maybe ATPC is on and misconfigured? I did that on a Trango 
once. Confused the hell out of me for a few minutes until I saw what I 
did.. or didn't do (set power per mod in the ATPC setup).


On 10/24/2016 9:45 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


That’s probably exactly what happened.

They spent hours on it and were still way off on dB on one side only.

That’s why I assume the other side is angled or rotated too far (dual 
polarity X-Pic).


One guy didn’t even use the volt meter, just had someone read dB from 
the web page.


They didn’t even ask for angles, degrees, nothing.

Just all by supposed line of sight, no scopes, and not even binoculars 
I think.


I wasn’t too happy about the whole situation, so I don’t want a repeat 
of that.


It’s less than 10 miles across Utah Lake, one end on a leg on a tower 
on top of a mountain, the other on a smaller tower attached to 
concrete wall near the freeway.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 8:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

Are these big dishes?  Did you not get a well defined peak during 
alignment?  Is the signal more than a couple dB less than predicted, 
like 20-30 dB low?  You’re on a sidelobe. I’ve had experienced tower 
guys run into this.  They tend to be stubborn and believe they can 
align a dish with a 1 degree beamwidth by eye, and then they spend 
half an hour trying to tweak the alignment to get an extra 1 dB when 
they’re 20 dB off.  Once the signal starts getting worse, they go back 
the other way instead of continuing.  Convince them to do a wide 
sweep, and they find the main lobe.  You have to go through the valley 
to find the mountain.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 9:14 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

The angle of the leg shouldn't matter...at most you'd loose ~3db but 
it'd have to be almost at a 45* angle for that. (Chuck did a demo at 
one of the animal farm events)


If you can get me remote access I can look at the config for ya.  They 
are very un-intuitive to say the least lol.


-Sean



On Monday, October 24, 2016, Sterling Jacobson > wrote:


I need to get my Ceragon link running, it's been forever.

I think someone on this list had offered me their service local to
Utah for this.
I am paying for this, either by Job or by hour.

If you remember offering, and it's you, or you think you would
like to help, then let me know.

I've got the link installed on both sides and configured, just
something not lined up or configured correctly.

The local guys I used originally earlier this year couldn't figure
it out.
And I think the mountain side link is not mounted true and needs a
proper mounting on the leg, or hardware to mount it true, not on
the leg at an angle.

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[Ken Hohhof]

I don’t know, but I’ll speculate.  Seems like XPIC is a simplified case but 
must be done very well if you are going to get enough SNR for 4KQAM or whatever.

 

In XPIC you don’t have depolarization or multipath, so you get A with a tiny 
bit of B mixed in, and B with a tiny bit of A mixed in.  So the adaptive filter 
may not have to do much more than figure out what percent of B to subtract from 
A to cancel out the tiny amount of contamination due to insufficient XPOL 
rejection in the antenna.  Kind of like noise cancelling headphones, where the 
noise is already a small component, plus you know what the noise looks like.

 

Whereas with MIMO each input may be a whole bunch of both A and B, plus delayed 
versions of each due to multipath.  So the adaptive filter needs to be more 
sophisticated to separate out the 2 totally jumbled signals, plus have lots of 
taps to eliminate the multipath.  Or so I would guess.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

 

OK, let me make this clearer. I'm talking about FDD systems using one channel 
*pair* only. You have a Tx hi and a Tx lo.

AF5 (not X) or 24/HD in FDD mode. Say AF24 running 24.1 Tx and 24.2 Rx. Vice 
versa for the opposite end. It's a "MIMO" radio system.

Now take traditional microwave vendor X. Same stuff. FDD. Tx hi both polarities 
at one end, Tx low both polarities at the other. This is called an "XPIC" radio 
system.

What is the difference between XPIC and MIMO?

Sounds to me like two guys named Pete and Peter walk into a bar. Is the only 
difference their name, but they're actually the same guy because Steve is drunk 
and has double vision? Or is Steve not that drunk yet and the two guys are 
nearly identical twin brothers?

Basically, what the hell is the fundamental difference between the two?

On 10/24/2016 8:35 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

There's 2 diplexers per side, so that would be 2 channel pairs, right? 2xTx 
2xRx? MIMO-FD?

 

On Oct 24, 2016 8:32 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  > wrote:

Yes, full duplex (as in using one channel for Tx & one for RX)

MIMO as in using both polarities.. yes

but as in using both channels to send & receive ... no not as per their specs.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  

Help-desk: (305)663-5518   Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net  

 


  _  


From: "Josh Reynolds"  >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:51:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

AF11X actually has two internal radios if my understanding of the platform is 
correct. It is Full Duplex + MIMO.

 

On Oct 24, 2016 7:03 PM, "Bill Prince"  > wrote:

It's not 100% clear from your description, but the AF11x is using both 
polarities.

The Mimosa is a very strange duck. Even using 2 channels and 2 polarities, 
there is no way to actually run it full duplex. The high-latency half duplex is 
pretty much baked in. IMO, it squanders air bandwidth at the expense of 
cheapness. And it's highest modulation rate is still only 256QAM. We had 
serious trouble trying to even get 256QAM on a relatively modest distance link.

 

bp

 

On 10/24/2016 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

I will take a crack at it... just to make sure that My understanding is correct 
too.

 

In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as follows:-

   A single channel  is actually two channels, one channel is used to Transmit 
and the other channel is used to receive.

   and each of these channels pair can be either in V polarity or H polarity 
(but not mingled).

 

XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can mount two radios together, one 
using the H polarity and the other using V polarity, but the same channel...

But still only one channel (H + V) is used to transmit and the other channel is 
used to Receive. (Thus Full duplex)

 

MIMO, = One Channel, both H & V polarities are used,  and either one can be 
used for Tx and Rx  (thus half duplex)

 

AF11x =  Traditional Licensed radio... one channel/polarity for TX  and one 
channel/polarity for RX 

Mimosa B11 =  Disruptive... a very odd animal... can be configured as...

Use one channel (both polarities)  for 
TX  and one channel (both polarities) for RX

 or ... Use Two Channels, both polarities in each 
channel, and use either one to TX & RX  (more like a dual channel MIMO)

AF5  =Uses one channel (both polarities) for Tx and one channel (both 
polarities) for RX

 

AF24 =   can be used as 

 

Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

[Sterling Jacobson]

That’s probably exactly what happened.

They spent hours on it and were still way off on dB on one side only.
That’s why I assume the other side is angled or rotated too far (dual polarity 
X-Pic).

One guy didn’t even use the volt meter, just had someone read dB from the web 
page.

They didn’t even ask for angles, degrees, nothing.
Just all by supposed line of sight, no scopes, and not even binoculars I think.

I wasn’t too happy about the whole situation, so I don’t want a repeat of that.

It’s less than 10 miles across Utah Lake, one end on a leg on a tower on top of 
a mountain, the other on a smaller tower attached to concrete wall near the 
freeway.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

Are these big dishes?  Did you not get a well defined peak during alignment?  
Is the signal more than a couple dB less than predicted, like 20-30 dB low?  
You’re on a sidelobe.  I’ve had experienced tower guys run into this.  They 
tend to be stubborn and believe they can align a dish with a 1 degree beamwidth 
by eye, and then they spend half an hour trying to tweak the alignment to get 
an extra 1 dB when they’re 20 dB off.  Once the signal starts getting worse, 
they go back the other way instead of continuing.  Convince them to do a wide 
sweep, and they find the main lobe.  You have to go through the valley to find 
the mountain.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

The angle of the leg shouldn't matter...at most you'd loose ~3db but it'd have 
to be almost at a 45* angle for that. (Chuck did a demo at one of the animal 
farm events)

If you can get me remote access I can look at the config for ya.  They are very 
un-intuitive to say the least lol.

-Sean


On Monday, October 24, 2016, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
I need to get my Ceragon link running, it's been forever.

I think someone on this list had offered me their service local to Utah for 
this.
I am paying for this, either by Job or by hour.

If you remember offering, and it's you, or you think you would like to help, 
then let me know.

I've got the link installed on both sides and configured, just something not 
lined up or configured correctly.

The local guys I used originally earlier this year couldn't figure it out.
And I think the mountain side link is not mounted true and needs a proper 
mounting on the leg, or hardware to mount it true, not on the leg at an angle.

Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

[Sterling Jacobson]

I am trying to get 1:1 public IP for remote access, so if I accomplish that I 
can share the login privately for review.
That would be a lot of help.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

The angle of the leg shouldn't matter...at most you'd loose ~3db but it'd have 
to be almost at a 45* angle for that. (Chuck did a demo at one of the animal 
farm events)

If you can get me remote access I can look at the config for ya.  They are very 
un-intuitive to say the least lol.

-Sean


On Monday, October 24, 2016, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
I need to get my Ceragon link running, it's been forever.

I think someone on this list had offered me their service local to Utah for 
this.
I am paying for this, either by Job or by hour.

If you remember offering, and it's you, or you think you would like to help, 
then let me know.

I've got the link installed on both sides and configured, just something not 
lined up or configured correctly.

The local guys I used originally earlier this year couldn't figure it out.
And I think the mountain side link is not mounted true and needs a proper 
mounting on the leg, or hardware to mount it true, not on the leg at an angle.

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[Jon Langeler]

XPIC is an AF11 sawed in half then slapped into an expensive chunk of metal 
behind the antenna on each polarity. It will be called 'old school' when AF11 
comes out 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Oct 24, 2016, at 10:23 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> 
> OK, let me make this clearer. I'm talking about FDD systems using one channel 
> *pair* only. You have a Tx hi and a Tx lo.
> 
> AF5 (not X) or 24/HD in FDD mode. Say AF24 running 24.1 Tx and 24.2 Rx. Vice 
> versa for the opposite end. It's a "MIMO" radio system.
> 
> Now take traditional microwave vendor X. Same stuff. FDD. Tx hi both 
> polarities at one end, Tx low both polarities at the other. This is called an 
> "XPIC" radio system.
> 
> What is the difference between XPIC and MIMO?
> 
> Sounds to me like two guys named Pete and Peter walk into a bar. Is the only 
> difference their name, but they're actually the same guy because Steve is 
> drunk and has double vision? Or is Steve not that drunk yet and the two guys 
> are nearly identical twin brothers?
> 
> Basically, what the hell is the fundamental difference between the two?
> 
>> On 10/24/2016 8:35 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> There's 2 diplexers per side, so that would be 2 channel pairs, right? 2xTx 
>> 2xRx? MIMO-FD?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2016 8:32 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>>> Yes, full duplex (as in using one channel for Tx & one for RX)
>>> MIMO as in using both polarities.. yes
>>> but as in using both channels to send & receive ... no not as per their 
>>> specs.
>>> 
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>> 
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>> 
>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:51:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>>> AF11X actually has two internal radios if my understanding of the platform 
>>> is correct. It is Full Duplex + MIMO.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2016 7:03 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
 It's not 100% clear from your description, but the AF11x is using both 
 polarities.
 
 The Mimosa is a very strange duck. Even using 2 channels and 2 polarities, 
 there is no way to actually run it full duplex. The high-latency half 
 duplex is pretty much baked in. IMO, it squanders air bandwidth at the 
 expense of cheapness. And it's highest modulation rate is still only 
 256QAM. We had serious trouble trying to even get 256QAM on a relatively 
 modest distance link.
 
 
 bp
 
 
 On 10/24/2016 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 I will take a crack at it... just to make sure that My understanding is 
 correct too.
 
 In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as follows:-
A single channel  is actually two channels, one channel is used to 
 Transmit and the other channel is used to receive.
and each of these channels pair can be either in V polarity or H 
 polarity (but not mingled).
  
 XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can mount two radios together, 
 one using the H polarity and the other using V polarity, but the same 
 channel...
 But still only one channel (H + V) is used to transmit and the other 
 channel is used to Receive. (Thus Full duplex)
 
 MIMO, = One Channel, both H & V polarities are used,  and either one 
 can be used for Tx and Rx  (thus half duplex)
 
 AF11x =  Traditional Licensed radio... one channel/polarity for TX  and 
 one channel/polarity for RX 
 Mimosa B11 =  Disruptive... a very odd animal... can be configured as...
 Use one channel (both polarities)  
 for TX  and one channel (both polarities) for RX
  or ... Use Two Channels, both polarities in 
 each channel, and use either one to TX & RX  (more like a dual channel 
 MIMO)
 AF5  =Uses one channel (both polarities) for Tx and one channel (both 
 polarities) for RX
 
 AF24 =   can be used as 
One Channel (Dual Polarities) for TX  
 and one Channel (Dual Polarities) for RX
or can use the same one channel (dual 
 polarities) for Tx and Rx.
 
 Hope this is as clear as mud !
 
 :)
 
 
 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
 
 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
 
 From: "George Skorup" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 7:09:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
 What's so much different between XPIC and 

Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

[Sterling Jacobson]

Three-foot dish, dual pol. I don’t have photos at the moment, but I’ll check 
and see if they took some.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

Can you post some good photos? How big are the dishes? I might consider doing 
it for a airline ticket + hotel + demo of your fiber network?

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
I need to get my Ceragon link running, it's been forever.

I think someone on this list had offered me their service local to Utah for 
this.
I am paying for this, either by Job or by hour.

If you remember offering, and it's you, or you think you would like to help, 
then let me know.

I've got the link installed on both sides and configured, just something not 
lined up or configured correctly.

The local guys I used originally earlier this year couldn't figure it out.
And I think the mountain side link is not mounted true and needs a proper 
mounting on the leg, or hardware to mount it true, not on the leg at an angle.

Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

[Ken Hohhof]

Are these big dishes?  Did you not get a well defined peak during alignment?  
Is the signal more than a couple dB less than predicted, like 20-30 dB low?  
You’re on a sidelobe.  I’ve had experienced tower guys run into this.  They 
tend to be stubborn and believe they can align a dish with a 1 degree beamwidth 
by eye, and then they spend half an hour trying to tweak the alignment to get 
an extra 1 dB when they’re 20 dB off.  Once the signal starts getting worse, 
they go back the other way instead of continuing.  Convince them to do a wide 
sweep, and they find the main lobe.  You have to go through the valley to find 
the mountain.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

 

The angle of the leg shouldn't matter...at most you'd loose ~3db but it'd have 
to be almost at a 45* angle for that. (Chuck did a demo at one of the animal 
farm events)

 

If you can get me remote access I can look at the config for ya.  They are very 
un-intuitive to say the least lol.

 

-Sean



On Monday, October 24, 2016, Sterling Jacobson  > wrote:

I need to get my Ceragon link running, it's been forever.

I think someone on this list had offered me their service local to Utah for 
this.
I am paying for this, either by Job or by hour.

If you remember offering, and it's you, or you think you would like to help, 
then let me know.

I've got the link installed on both sides and configured, just something not 
lined up or configured correctly.

The local guys I used originally earlier this year couldn't figure it out.
And I think the mountain side link is not mounted true and needs a proper 
mounting on the leg, or hardware to mount it true, not on the leg at an angle.

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[Faisal Imtiaz]

The difference is in how it actually works... 

http://www.cablefree.net/wirelesstechnology/microwave/xpic-cross-polarization-interference-cancellation/
 

http://www.rfwireless-world.com/Articles/difference-between-SISO-and-MIMO.html 

XPIC is a way of putting H and V Signal in one antenna (two radios) and then 
separating it and feeding it back into two radios. 

MIMO is a way of transmitting multiple streams simultaneously using Spatial 
Multiplexing... 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "George Skorup" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 10:23:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

> OK, let me make this clearer. I'm talking about FDD systems using one channel
> *pair* only. You have a Tx hi and a Tx lo.

> AF5 (not X) or 24/HD in FDD mode. Say AF24 running 24.1 Tx and 24.2 Rx. Vice
> versa for the opposite end. It's a "MIMO" radio system.

> Now take traditional microwave vendor X. Same stuff. FDD. Tx hi both 
> polarities
> at one end, Tx low both polarities at the other. This is called an "XPIC" 
> radio
> system.

> What is the difference between XPIC and MIMO?

> Sounds to me like two guys named Pete and Peter walk into a bar. Is the only
> difference their name, but they're actually the same guy because Steve is 
> drunk
> and has double vision? Or is Steve not that drunk yet and the two guys are
> nearly identical twin brothers?

> Basically, what the hell is the fundamental difference between the two?

> On 10/24/2016 8:35 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

>> There's 2 diplexers per side, so that would be 2 channel pairs, right? 2xTx
>> 2xRx? MIMO-FD?

>> On Oct 24, 2016 8:32 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:

>>> Yes, full duplex (as in using one channel for Tx & one for RX)
>>> MIMO as in using both polarities.. yes
>>> but as in using both channels to send & receive ... no not as per their 
>>> specs.

>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com >
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:51:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

 AF11X actually has two internal radios if my understanding of the platform 
 is
 correct. It is Full Duplex + MIMO.

 On Oct 24, 2016 7:03 PM, "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > wrote:

> It's not 100% clear from your description, but the AF11x is using both
> polarities.

> The Mimosa is a very strange duck. Even using 2 channels and 2 
> polarities, there
> is no way to actually run it full duplex. The high-latency half duplex is
> pretty much baked in. IMO, it squanders air bandwidth at the expense of
> cheapness. And it's highest modulation rate is still only 256QAM. We had
> serious trouble trying to even get 256QAM on a relatively modest distance 
> link.

> bp
> 
> On 10/24/2016 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

>> I will take a crack at it... just to make sure that My understanding is 
>> correct
>> too.

>> In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as follows:-
>> A single channel is actually two channels, one channel is used to 
>> Transmit and
>> the other channel is used to receive.
>> and each of these channels pair can be either in V polarity or H 
>> polarity (but
>> not mingled).
>> XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can mount two radios 
>> together, one
>> using the H polarity and the other using V polarity, but the same 
>> channel...
>> But still only one channel (H + V) is used to transmit and the other 
>> channel is
>> used to Receive. (Thus Full duplex)

>> MIMO, = One Channel, both H & V polarities are used, and either one 
>> can be
>> used for Tx and Rx (thus half duplex)

>> AF11x = Traditional Licensed radio... one channel/polarity for TX and one
>> channel/polarity for RX
>> Mimosa B11 = Disruptive... a very odd animal... can be configured as...
>> Use one channel (both polarities) for TX and one channel (both 
>> polarities) for
>> RX
>> or ... Use Two Channels, both polarities in each channel, and use either 
>> one to
>> TX & RX (more like a dual channel MIMO)
>> AF5 = Uses one channel (both polarities) for Tx and one channel (both
>> polarities) for RX

>> AF24 = can be used as
>> One Channel (Dual Polarities) for TX and one Channel (Dual Polarities) 
>> for RX
>> or can use the same one channel (dual polarities) for Tx and Rx.

>> Hope this is as clear as mud !

>> :)

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Ken Hohhof]

Have you learned nothing from the presidential campaign?  Take the money, but 
don’t put it in an email.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

 

I figured if I keep trying, you'll eventually break down and buy in.

Hey, you did it with SFPs somewhat, so if I highball you and you lowball me, it 
still works out in the end.

Gimmie ur dollars!

 

On Oct 24, 2016 9:06 PM, "Mike Hammett"  > wrote:

I've gotten several emails the past couple weeks from someone about putting 
money in WISPs. I've been ignoring them so far, assuming they were scams.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists"  >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 6:17:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

I know of an investment group looking specifically to invest in WISPs.

Jeff Broadwick

ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

312-205-2519   Office

574-220-7826   Cell

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com  


On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Paul Stewart  > wrote:

I’ve heard that… hence my opinion that there are much better ways to get money 
if that’s the only motive for doing it….

 

I participated a couple of times in some nearby “angel investor” groups a few 
years back …. was looking for new ideas/investments - it was quite simple for 
those pitching ideas… no strings attached and if someone liked your idea then 
you went aside in private and discussed more details.  if not, then at least 
some of the folks had a chance to pitch ideas….

 

 

On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Travis Johnson  
> wrote:

 

It was one of her personal goals to get on Shark Tank, even before I got 
involved in the business.

I can tell you now, after just getting the actual "deal" paperwork today (she 
filmed months ago), this is the absolute worst deal I have ever seen for a 
small business owner. Royalties, commissions, options to buy equity up to 3 
years into the future, etc. :(

Travis



On 10/24/2016 2:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

So it doesn't sound like she needs money since she has you. Going in for the 
publicity?

 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:15 PM Jaime Solorza  > wrote:

ha funny guy




Jaime Solorza 

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390  

 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

But I gotta new old motorhome!

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:40 AM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

 

Crystal meth show has been done Chuck... Next 

 

On Oct 24, 2016 11:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  > wrote:

I have something on the cooker.  

 

From: Gino Villarini 

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:17 AM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

 

nice... when are we going to have a WISP venture there? 

 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

Pretty cool.  One of my favorite shows.  
-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 
10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com   Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark 
Tank 

Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made two years 
ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :)

It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from nothing 
to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When we first met 
her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment and selling them 
at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is in a 26,000sqft 
warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes overwhelming, but she 
makes things happen. :)

http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/

Travis

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Ken Hohhof]

That Leonidas guy?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

 

I've gotten several emails the past couple weeks from someone about putting 
money in WISPs. I've been ignoring them so far, assuming they were scams.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




  _  

From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists"  >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 6:17:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

I know of an investment group looking specifically to invest in WISPs.

Jeff Broadwick

ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

312-205-2519 Office

574-220-7826 Cell

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com  


On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Paul Stewart  > wrote:

I’ve heard that… hence my opinion that there are much better ways to get money 
if that’s the only motive for doing it….

 

I participated a couple of times in some nearby “angel investor” groups a few 
years back …. was looking for new ideas/investments - it was quite simple for 
those pitching ideas… no strings attached and if someone liked your idea then 
you went aside in private and discussed more details.  if not, then at least 
some of the folks had a chance to pitch ideas….

 

 

On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Travis Johnson  
> wrote:

 

It was one of her personal goals to get on Shark Tank, even before I got 
involved in the business.

I can tell you now, after just getting the actual "deal" paperwork today (she 
filmed months ago), this is the absolute worst deal I have ever seen for a 
small business owner. Royalties, commissions, options to buy equity up to 3 
years into the future, etc. :(

Travis



On 10/24/2016 2:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

So it doesn't sound like she needs money since she has you. Going in for the 
publicity?

 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:15 PM Jaime Solorza  > wrote:

ha funny guy




Jaime Solorza 

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390  

 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

But I gotta new old motorhome!

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:40 AM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

 

Crystal meth show has been done Chuck... Next 

 

On Oct 24, 2016 11:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  > wrote:

I have something on the cooker.  

 

From: Gino Villarini 

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:17 AM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

 

nice... when are we going to have a WISP venture there? 

 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

Pretty cool.  One of my favorite shows.  
-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 
10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com   Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark 
Tank 

Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made two years 
ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :)

It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from nothing 
to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When we first met 
her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment and selling them 
at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is in a 26,000sqft 
warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes overwhelming, but she 
makes things happen. :)

http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/

Travis

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[George Skorup]

OK, let me make this clearer. I'm talking about FDD systems using one 
channel *pair* only. You have a Tx hi and a Tx lo.


AF5 (not X) or 24/HD in FDD mode. Say AF24 running 24.1 Tx and 24.2 Rx. 
Vice versa for the opposite end. It's a "MIMO" radio system.


Now take traditional microwave vendor X. Same stuff. FDD. Tx hi both 
polarities at one end, Tx low both polarities at the other. This is 
called an "XPIC" radio system.


What is the difference between XPIC and MIMO?

Sounds to me like two guys named Pete and Peter walk into a bar. Is the 
only difference their name, but they're actually the same guy because 
Steve is drunk and has double vision? Or is Steve not that drunk yet and 
the two guys are nearly identical twin brothers?


Basically, what the hell is the fundamental difference between the two?

On 10/24/2016 8:35 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


There's 2 diplexers per side, so that would be 2 channel pairs, right? 
2xTx 2xRx? MIMO-FD?



On Oct 24, 2016 8:32 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" > wrote:


Yes, full duplex (as in using one channel for Tx & one for RX)
MIMO as in using both polarities.. yes
but as in using both channels to send & receive ... no not as per
their specs.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"Josh Reynolds" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 8:51:52 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

AF11X actually has two internal radios if my understanding of
the platform is correct. It is Full Duplex + MIMO.


On Oct 24, 2016 7:03 PM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:

It's not 100% clear from your description, but the AF11x
is using both polarities.

The Mimosa is a very strange duck. Even using 2 channels
and 2 polarities, there is no way to actually run it full
duplex. The high-latency half duplex is pretty much baked
in. IMO, it squanders air bandwidth at the expense of
cheapness. And it's highest modulation rate is still only
256QAM. We had serious trouble trying to even get 256QAM
on a relatively modest distance link.


bp


On 10/24/2016 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

I will take a crack at it... just to make sure that My
understanding is correct too.

In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as follows:-
   A single channel  is actually two channels, one
channel is used to Transmit and the other channel is
used to receive.
   and each of these channels pair can be either in V
polarity or H polarity (but not mingled).
XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can mount
two radios together, one using the H polarity and the
other using V polarity, but the same channel...
But still only one channel (H + V) is used to transmit
and the other channel is used to Receive. (Thus Full
duplex)

MIMO, = One Channel, both H & V polarities are
used,  and either one can be used for Tx and Rx  (thus
half duplex)

AF11x =  Traditional Licensed radio... one
channel/polarity for TX  and one channel/polarity for RX
Mimosa B11 =  Disruptive... a very odd animal... can
be configured as...
Use one channel (both polarities)  for TX  and one
channel (both polarities) for RX
 or ... Use Two Channels,
both polarities in each channel, and use either one to
TX & RX  (more like a dual channel MIMO)
AF5  =Uses one channel (both polarities) for Tx
and one channel (both polarities) for RX

AF24 =   can be used as
 One Channel (Dual Polarities) for TX  and one Channel
(Dual Polarities) for RX
 or can use the same one channel (dual polarities) for
Tx and Rx.

Hope this is as clear as mud !

:)


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting pictures off of phone with bad screen.

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

most every phone dealer carries a transfer device, if you know of one who
has a cellebrite ume that will do it, considering it can break into an
iphone with some adjunct, it should pull your pics

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:20 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> download the htc developer pack there should be something otherwise if its
> got an sd card theyre probably on that
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:10 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
>> I've got an old HTC Incredible 3G with a screen that died a few years ago
>> and I would like to get the pictures off of it.  The phone will power up
>> and my computer will detect it's drives but without a screen I can't select
>> "mount as disk drive" which would allow me access.  Does anyone know of any
>> hacks or workarounds for this problem?
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting pictures off of phone with bad screen.

[Jay Weekley]

I'll look into the developer pack.  Unfortunately, the files are not on 
a removable SD card.


That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
download the htc developer pack there should be something otherwise if 
its got an sd card theyre probably on that


On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:10 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:


I've got an old HTC Incredible 3G with a screen that died a few
years ago and I would like to get the pictures off of it.  The
phone will power up and my computer will detect it's drives but
without a screen I can't select "mount as disk drive" which would
allow me access.  Does anyone know of any hacks or workarounds for
this problem?




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting pictures off of phone with bad screen.

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

download the htc developer pack there should be something otherwise if its
got an sd card theyre probably on that

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:10 PM, Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> I've got an old HTC Incredible 3G with a screen that died a few years ago
> and I would like to get the pictures off of it.  The phone will power up
> and my computer will detect it's drives but without a screen I can't select
> "mount as disk drive" which would allow me access.  Does anyone know of any
> hacks or workarounds for this problem?
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

[Sean Heskett]

The angle of the leg shouldn't matter...at most you'd loose ~3db but it'd
have to be almost at a 45* angle for that. (Chuck did a demo at one of the
animal farm events)

If you can get me remote access I can look at the config for ya.  They are
very un-intuitive to say the least lol.

-Sean


On Monday, October 24, 2016, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:

> I need to get my Ceragon link running, it's been forever.
>
> I think someone on this list had offered me their service local to Utah
> for this.
> I am paying for this, either by Job or by hour.
>
> If you remember offering, and it's you, or you think you would like to
> help, then let me know.
>
> I've got the link installed on both sides and configured, just something
> not lined up or configured correctly.
>
> The local guys I used originally earlier this year couldn't figure it out.
> And I think the mountain side link is not mounted true and needs a proper
> mounting on the leg, or hardware to mount it true, not on the leg at an
> angle.
>
>
>

[AFMUG] OT: Getting pictures off of phone with bad screen.

[Jay Weekley]

I've got an old HTC Incredible 3G with a screen that died a few years 
ago and I would like to get the pictures off of it.  The phone will 
power up and my computer will detect it's drives but without a screen I 
can't select "mount as disk drive" which would allow me access.  Does 
anyone know of any hacks or workarounds for this problem?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Josh Reynolds]

I figured if I keep trying, you'll eventually break down and buy in.

Hey, you did it with SFPs somewhat, so if I highball you and you lowball
me, it still works out in the end.

Gimmie ur dollars!

On Oct 24, 2016 9:06 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> I've gotten several emails the past couple weeks from someone about
> putting money in WISPs. I've been ignoring them so far, assuming they were
> scams.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jeff Broadwick - Lists" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 6:17:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>
> I know of an investment group looking specifically to invest in WISPs.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
> I’ve heard that… hence my opinion that there are much better ways to get
> money if that’s the only motive for doing it….
>
> I participated a couple of times in some nearby “angel investor” groups a
> few years back …. was looking for new ideas/investments - it was quite
> simple for those pitching ideas… no strings attached and if someone liked
> your idea then you went aside in private and discussed more details.  if
> not, then at least some of the folks had a chance to pitch ideas….
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
> It was one of her personal goals to get on Shark Tank, even before I got
> involved in the business.
>
> I can tell you now, after just getting the actual "deal" paperwork today
> (she filmed months ago), this is the absolute worst deal I have ever seen
> for a small business owner. Royalties, commissions, options to buy equity
> up to 3 years into the future, etc. :(
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 10/24/2016 2:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> So it doesn't sound like she needs money since she has you. Going in for
> the publicity?
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:15 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> ha funny guy
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390 <%28915%29%20861-1390>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> But I gotta new old motorhome!
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 11:40 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>>
>>
>> Crystal meth show has been done Chuck... Next
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2016 11:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> I have something on the cooker.
>>
>> *From:* Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 11:17 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>>
>> nice... when are we going to have a WISP venture there?
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> Pretty cool.  One of my favorite shows.
>> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 24,
>> 2016 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>> Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made two
>> years ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :)
>>
>> It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from
>> nothing to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When
>> we first met her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment
>> and selling them at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is
>> in a 26,000sqft warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes
>> overwhelming, but she makes things happen. :)
>>
>> http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Mike Hammett]

I've gotten several emails the past couple weeks from someone about putting 
money in WISPs. I've been ignoring them so far, assuming they were scams. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 6:17:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank 


I know of an investment group looking specifically to invest in WISPs. 

Jeff Broadwick 
ConVergence Technologies , Inc. 
312-205-2519 Office 
574-220-7826 Cell 
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 

On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Paul Stewart < p...@paulstewart.org > wrote: 




I’ve heard that… hence my opinion that there are much better ways to get money 
if that’s the only motive for doing it…. 


I participated a couple of times in some nearby “angel investor” groups a few 
years back …. was looking for new ideas/investments - it was quite simple for 
those pitching ideas… no strings attached and if someone liked your idea then 
you went aside in private and discussed more details. if not, then at least 
some of the folks had a chance to pitch ideas…. 







On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Travis Johnson < t...@ida.net > wrote: 


It was one of her personal goals to get on Shark Tank, even before I got 
involved in the business. 

I can tell you now, after just getting the actual "deal" paperwork today (she 
filmed months ago), this is the absolute worst deal I have ever seen for a 
small business owner. Royalties, commissions, options to buy equity up to 3 
years into the future, etc. :( 

Travis 



On 10/24/2016 2:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: 



So it doesn't sound like she needs money since she has you. Going in for the 
publicity? 


On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:15 PM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



ha funny guy 




Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect 
915-861-1390 


On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






But I gotta new old motorhome! 




From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:40 AM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank 


Crystal meth show has been done Chuck... Next 


On Oct 24, 2016 11:37 AM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 








I have something on the cooker. 




From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:17 AM 
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank 


nice... when are we going to have a WISP venture there? 


On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 


Pretty cool. One of my favorite shows. 
-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 
10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank 


Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made two years 
ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :) 

It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from nothing 
to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When we first met 
her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment and selling them 
at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is in a 26,000sqft 
warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes overwhelming, but she 
makes things happen. :) 

http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/ 

Travis 

Re: [AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

[TJ Trout]

Can you post some good photos? How big are the dishes? I might consider
doing it for a airline ticket + hotel + demo of your fiber network?

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I need to get my Ceragon link running, it's been forever.
>
> I think someone on this list had offered me their service local to Utah
> for this.
> I am paying for this, either by Job or by hour.
>
> If you remember offering, and it's you, or you think you would like to
> help, then let me know.
>
> I've got the link installed on both sides and configured, just something
> not lined up or configured correctly.
>
> The local guys I used originally earlier this year couldn't figure it out.
> And I think the mountain side link is not mounted true and needs a proper
> mounting on the leg, or hardware to mount it true, not on the leg at an
> angle.
>
>
>

[AFMUG] UT Local Ceragon Installer

[Sterling Jacobson]

I need to get my Ceragon link running, it's been forever.

I think someone on this list had offered me their service local to Utah for 
this.
I am paying for this, either by Job or by hour.

If you remember offering, and it's you, or you think you would like to help, 
then let me know.

I've got the link installed on both sides and configured, just something not 
lined up or configured correctly.

The local guys I used originally earlier this year couldn't figure it out.
And I think the mountain side link is not mounted true and needs a proper 
mounting on the leg, or hardware to mount it true, not on the leg at an angle.

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Sorry not trying to be anal ... 

http://www.rfwireless-world.com/Articles/difference-between-SISO-and-MIMO.html 

it is my understanding that in MIMO, each antenna can tx on both polarities, 
and on the RX side each antenna can receive both polarities. 

it is hard to argue how the antenna elements are setup in side the radio.. but 
my understanding was that not so with the AF11X, but I guess it would be fair 
to assume that it is a MIMO inside the unit (recognizing it's heritage... :) ) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:35:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

> There's 2 diplexers per side, so that would be 2 channel pairs, right? 2xTx
> 2xRx? MIMO-FD?

> On Oct 24, 2016 8:32 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:

>> Yes, full duplex (as in using one channel for Tx & one for RX)
>> MIMO as in using both polarities.. yes
>> but as in using both channels to send & receive ... no not as per their 
>> specs.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:51:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

>>> AF11X actually has two internal radios if my understanding of the platform 
>>> is
>>> correct. It is Full Duplex + MIMO.

>>> On Oct 24, 2016 7:03 PM, "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > wrote:

 It's not 100% clear from your description, but the AF11x is using both
 polarities.

 The Mimosa is a very strange duck. Even using 2 channels and 2 polarities, 
 there
 is no way to actually run it full duplex. The high-latency half duplex is
 pretty much baked in. IMO, it squanders air bandwidth at the expense of
 cheapness. And it's highest modulation rate is still only 256QAM. We had
 serious trouble trying to even get 256QAM on a relatively modest distance 
 link.

 bp
 
 On 10/24/2016 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

> I will take a crack at it... just to make sure that My understanding is 
> correct
> too.

> In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as follows:-
> A single channel is actually two channels, one channel is used to 
> Transmit and
> the other channel is used to receive.
> and each of these channels pair can be either in V polarity or H polarity 
> (but
> not mingled).
> XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can mount two radios together, 
> one
> using the H polarity and the other using V polarity, but the same 
> channel...
> But still only one channel (H + V) is used to transmit and the other 
> channel is
> used to Receive. (Thus Full duplex)

> MIMO, = One Channel, both H & V polarities are used, and either one 
> can be
> used for Tx and Rx (thus half duplex)

> AF11x = Traditional Licensed radio... one channel/polarity for TX and one
> channel/polarity for RX
> Mimosa B11 = Disruptive... a very odd animal... can be configured as...
> Use one channel (both polarities) for TX and one channel (both 
> polarities) for
> RX
> or ... Use Two Channels, both polarities in each channel, and use either 
> one to
> TX & RX (more like a dual channel MIMO)
> AF5 = Uses one channel (both polarities) for Tx and one channel (both
> polarities) for RX

> AF24 = can be used as
> One Channel (Dual Polarities) for TX and one Channel (Dual Polarities) 
> for RX
> or can use the same one channel (dual polarities) for Tx and Rx.

> Hope this is as clear as mud !

> :)

> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "George Skorup" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 7:09:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

>> What's so much different between XPIC and MIMO? I'm asking because I 
>> guess I'm
>> just ignorant. MIMO = single carrier (is OFDM implied?), dual streams? 
>> And XPIC
>> = dual carriers (is single-carrier QAM per channel implied?) and 
>> independent
>> streams that are aggregated in hardware, perhaps as simple as a LAG on 
>> the
>> internal switch? Or does XPIC add some more magic?

>> So then what is the UBNT AF11X considered? Or the AF5 and 24 for that 
>> matter
>> since they're also capable of FDD.

>> On 10/24/2016 5:23 PM, 

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[Josh Reynolds]

There's 2 diplexers per side, so that would be 2 channel pairs, right? 2xTx
2xRx? MIMO-FD?

On Oct 24, 2016 8:32 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> Yes, full duplex (as in using one channel for Tx & one for RX)
> MIMO as in using both polarities.. yes
> but as in using both channels to send & receive ... no not as per their
> specs.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 8:51:52 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>
> AF11X actually has two internal radios if my understanding of the platform
> is correct. It is Full Duplex + MIMO.
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 7:03 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> It's not 100% clear from your description, but the AF11x is using both
>> polarities.
>>
>> The Mimosa is a very strange duck. Even using 2 channels and 2
>> polarities, there is no way to actually run it full duplex. The
>> high-latency half duplex is pretty much baked in. IMO, it squanders air
>> bandwidth at the expense of cheapness. And it's highest modulation rate is
>> still only 256QAM. We had serious trouble trying to even get 256QAM on a
>> relatively modest distance link.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 10/24/2016 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> I will take a crack at it... just to make sure that My understanding is
>> correct too.
>>
>> In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as follows:-
>>A single channel  is actually two channels, one channel is used to
>> Transmit and the other channel is used to receive.
>>and each of these channels pair can be either in V polarity or H
>> polarity (but not mingled).
>>
>> XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can mount two radios together,
>> one using the H polarity and the other using V polarity, but the same
>> channel...
>> But still only one channel (H + V) is used to transmit and the other
>> channel is used to Receive. (Thus Full duplex)
>>
>> MIMO, = One Channel, both H & V polarities are used,  and either one
>> can be used for Tx and Rx  (thus half duplex)
>>
>> AF11x =  Traditional Licensed radio... one channel/polarity for TX  and
>> one channel/polarity for RX
>> Mimosa B11 =  Disruptive... a very odd animal... can be configured as...
>> Use one channel (both polarities)
>>  for TX  and one channel (both polarities) for RX
>>  or ... Use Two Channels, both polarities in
>> each channel, and use either one to TX & RX  (more like a dual channel MIMO)
>> AF5  =Uses one channel (both polarities) for Tx and one channel (both
>> polarities) for RX
>>
>> AF24 =   can be used as
>>One Channel (Dual Polarities) for TX
>>  and one Channel (Dual Polarities) for RX
>>or can use the same one channel (dual
>> polarities) for Tx and Rx.
>>
>> Hope this is as clear as mud !
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"George Skorup"  
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 7:09:11 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>>
>> What's so much different between XPIC and MIMO? I'm asking because I
>> guess I'm just ignorant. MIMO = single carrier (is OFDM implied?), dual
>> streams? And XPIC = dual carriers (is single-carrier QAM per channel
>> implied?) and independent streams that are aggregated in hardware, perhaps
>> as simple as a LAG on the internal switch? Or does XPIC add some more magic?
>>
>> So then what is the UBNT AF11X considered? Or the AF5 and 24 for that
>> matter since they're also capable of FDD.
>>
>> On 10/24/2016 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> Can a non-vendor tell me if at higher order modulations if there's
>> limiting gain from co-channel XPIC? I assume it works to some degree
>> because it's marketed (yes, I have a tub of salt over here), but at some
>> point the modulations would be sensitive enough where the X-pol isolation
>> isn't sufficient?
>>
>> Okay, a vendor can if they're more technical than salesy.
>>
>> I'm not meaning to imply John was salesy.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Yes, full duplex (as in using one channel for Tx & one for RX) 
MIMO as in using both polarities.. yes 
but as in using both channels to send & receive ... no not as per their specs. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 8:51:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

> AF11X actually has two internal radios if my understanding of the platform is
> correct. It is Full Duplex + MIMO.

> On Oct 24, 2016 7:03 PM, "Bill Prince" < part15...@gmail.com > wrote:

>> It's not 100% clear from your description, but the AF11x is using both
>> polarities.

>> The Mimosa is a very strange duck. Even using 2 channels and 2 polarities, 
>> there
>> is no way to actually run it full duplex. The high-latency half duplex is
>> pretty much baked in. IMO, it squanders air bandwidth at the expense of
>> cheapness. And it's highest modulation rate is still only 256QAM. We had
>> serious trouble trying to even get 256QAM on a relatively modest distance 
>> link.

>> bp
>> 
>> On 10/24/2016 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

>>> I will take a crack at it... just to make sure that My understanding is 
>>> correct
>>> too.

>>> In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as follows:-
>>> A single channel is actually two channels, one channel is used to Transmit 
>>> and
>>> the other channel is used to receive.
>>> and each of these channels pair can be either in V polarity or H polarity 
>>> (but
>>> not mingled).
>>> XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can mount two radios together, 
>>> one
>>> using the H polarity and the other using V polarity, but the same channel...
>>> But still only one channel (H + V) is used to transmit and the other 
>>> channel is
>>> used to Receive. (Thus Full duplex)

>>> MIMO, = One Channel, both H & V polarities are used, and either one can 
>>> be
>>> used for Tx and Rx (thus half duplex)

>>> AF11x = Traditional Licensed radio... one channel/polarity for TX and one
>>> channel/polarity for RX
>>> Mimosa B11 = Disruptive... a very odd animal... can be configured as...
>>> Use one channel (both polarities) for TX and one channel (both polarities) 
>>> for
>>> RX
>>> or ... Use Two Channels, both polarities in each channel, and use either 
>>> one to
>>> TX & RX (more like a dual channel MIMO)
>>> AF5 = Uses one channel (both polarities) for Tx and one channel (both
>>> polarities) for RX

>>> AF24 = can be used as
>>> One Channel (Dual Polarities) for TX and one Channel (Dual Polarities) for 
>>> RX
>>> or can use the same one channel (dual polarities) for Tx and Rx.

>>> Hope this is as clear as mud !

>>> :)

>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 From: "George Skorup" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 7:09:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

 What's so much different between XPIC and MIMO? I'm asking because I guess 
 I'm
 just ignorant. MIMO = single carrier (is OFDM implied?), dual streams? And 
 XPIC
 = dual carriers (is single-carrier QAM per channel implied?) and 
 independent
 streams that are aggregated in hardware, perhaps as simple as a LAG on the
 internal switch? Or does XPIC add some more magic?

 So then what is the UBNT AF11X considered? Or the AF5 and 24 for that 
 matter
 since they're also capable of FDD.

 On 10/24/2016 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> Can a non-vendor tell me if at higher order modulations if there's 
> limiting gain
> from co-channel XPIC? I assume it works to some degree because it's 
> marketed
> (yes, I have a tub of salt over here), but at some point the modulations 
> would
> be sensitive enough where the X-pol isolation isn't sufficient?

> Okay, a vendor can if they're more technical than salesy.

> I'm not meaning to imply John was salesy.

> ;-)

> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions

> Midwest Internet Exchange

> The Brothers WISP

> From: "John Seaman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 3:55:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

> Hi Ken, the Lynx and Orion are largely identical. The biggest difference 
> between
> the two is that the Orion supports XPIC where as the Lynx does not. Keep 
> in
> mind that either model can be set up for 2+0, but only with the Orion can 
> both
> radios operate on the same channel. Other than that, the Orion does offer
> higher TX power (for certain frequencies) compared 

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[Bill Prince]

Plus a diplexer. Unlike "most" licensed radios (Exalt being the notable 
exception), the radios do not have to be bought as "lo" or "high". The 
AF11x and all the Exalt radios I know of have a reversible diplexer. So 
you can stock one spare that can work at both ends.



bp


On 10/24/2016 5:51 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:


AF11X actually has two internal radios if my understanding of the 
platform is correct. It is Full Duplex + MIMO.



On Oct 24, 2016 7:03 PM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:


It's not 100% clear from your description, but the AF11x is using
both polarities.

The Mimosa is a very strange duck. Even using 2 channels and 2
polarities, there is no way to actually run it full duplex. The
high-latency half duplex is pretty much baked in. IMO, it
squanders air bandwidth at the expense of cheapness. And it's
highest modulation rate is still only 256QAM. We had serious
trouble trying to even get 256QAM on a relatively modest distance
link.


bp


On 10/24/2016 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

I will take a crack at it... just to make sure that My
understanding is correct too.

In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as follows:-
   A single channel  is actually two channels, one channel is
used to Transmit and the other channel is used to receive.
   and each of these channels pair can be either in V polarity or
H polarity (but not mingled).
XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can mount two radios
together, one using the H polarity and the other using V
polarity, but the same channel...
But still only one channel (H + V) is used to transmit and the
other channel is used to Receive. (Thus Full duplex)

MIMO, = One Channel, both H & V polarities are used,  and
either one can be used for Tx and Rx  (thus half duplex)

AF11x =  Traditional Licensed radio... one channel/polarity for
TX  and one channel/polarity for RX
Mimosa B11 =  Disruptive... a very odd animal... can be
configured as...
Use one channel (both
polarities)  for TX  and one channel (both polarities) for RX
 or ... Use Two Channels, both
polarities in each channel, and use either one to TX & RX  (more
like a dual channel MIMO)
AF5  =Uses one channel (both polarities) for Tx and one
channel (both polarities) for RX

AF24 =   can be used as
   One Channel (Dual Polarities)
for TX  and one Channel (Dual Polarities) for RX
   or can use the same one
channel (dual polarities) for Tx and Rx.

Hope this is as clear as mud !

:)


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 



*From: *"George Skorup" 

*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 7:09:11 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

What's so much different between XPIC and MIMO? I'm asking
because I guess I'm just ignorant. MIMO = single carrier (is
OFDM implied?), dual streams? And XPIC = dual carriers (is
single-carrier QAM per channel implied?) and independent
streams that are aggregated in hardware, perhaps as simple as
a LAG on the internal switch? Or does XPIC add some more magic?

So then what is the UBNT AF11X considered? Or the AF5 and 24
for that matter since they're also capable of FDD.

On 10/24/2016 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Can a non-vendor tell me if at higher order modulations
if there's limiting gain from co-channel XPIC? I assume
it works to some degree because it's marketed (yes, I
have a tub of salt over here), but at some point the
modulations would be sensitive enough where the X-pol
isolation isn't sufficient?

Okay, a vendor can if they're more technical than salesy.

I'm not meaning to imply John was salesy.

;-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[Josh Reynolds]

AF11X actually has two internal radios if my understanding of the platform
is correct. It is Full Duplex + MIMO.

On Oct 24, 2016 7:03 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> It's not 100% clear from your description, but the AF11x is using both
> polarities.
>
> The Mimosa is a very strange duck. Even using 2 channels and 2 polarities,
> there is no way to actually run it full duplex. The high-latency half
> duplex is pretty much baked in. IMO, it squanders air bandwidth at the
> expense of cheapness. And it's highest modulation rate is still only
> 256QAM. We had serious trouble trying to even get 256QAM on a relatively
> modest distance link.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 10/24/2016 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>
> I will take a crack at it... just to make sure that My understanding is
> correct too.
>
> In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as follows:-
>A single channel  is actually two channels, one channel is used to
> Transmit and the other channel is used to receive.
>and each of these channels pair can be either in V polarity or H
> polarity (but not mingled).
>
> XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can mount two radios together,
> one using the H polarity and the other using V polarity, but the same
> channel...
> But still only one channel (H + V) is used to transmit and the other
> channel is used to Receive. (Thus Full duplex)
>
> MIMO, = One Channel, both H & V polarities are used,  and either one
> can be used for Tx and Rx  (thus half duplex)
>
> AF11x =  Traditional Licensed radio... one channel/polarity for TX  and
> one channel/polarity for RX
> Mimosa B11 =  Disruptive... a very odd animal... can be configured as...
> Use one channel (both polarities)
>  for TX  and one channel (both polarities) for RX
>  or ... Use Two Channels, both polarities in
> each channel, and use either one to TX & RX  (more like a dual channel MIMO)
> AF5  =Uses one channel (both polarities) for Tx and one channel (both
> polarities) for RX
>
> AF24 =   can be used as
>One Channel (Dual Polarities) for TX
>  and one Channel (Dual Polarities) for RX
>or can use the same one channel (dual
> polarities) for Tx and Rx.
>
> Hope this is as clear as mud !
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"George Skorup"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 7:09:11 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>
> What's so much different between XPIC and MIMO? I'm asking because I guess
> I'm just ignorant. MIMO = single carrier (is OFDM implied?), dual streams?
> And XPIC = dual carriers (is single-carrier QAM per channel implied?) and
> independent streams that are aggregated in hardware, perhaps as simple as a
> LAG on the internal switch? Or does XPIC add some more magic?
>
> So then what is the UBNT AF11X considered? Or the AF5 and 24 for that
> matter since they're also capable of FDD.
>
> On 10/24/2016 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Can a non-vendor tell me if at higher order modulations if there's
> limiting gain from co-channel XPIC? I assume it works to some degree
> because it's marketed (yes, I have a tub of salt over here), but at some
> point the modulations would be sensitive enough where the X-pol isolation
> isn't sufficient?
>
> Okay, a vendor can if they're more technical than salesy.
>
> I'm not meaning to imply John was salesy.
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"John Seaman"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 3:55:17 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>
> Hi Ken, the Lynx and Orion are largely identical.  The biggest difference
> between the two is that the Orion supports XPIC where as the Lynx does not.
>   Keep in mind that either model can be set up for 2+0, but only with the
> Orion can both radios operate on the same channel.  Other than that, the
> Orion does offer higher TX power (for certain 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Josh Reynolds]

Interesting...

On Oct 24, 2016 6:17 PM, "Jeff Broadwick - Lists"  wrote:

> I know of an investment group looking specifically to invest in WISPs.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>
> I’ve heard that… hence my opinion that there are much better ways to get
> money if that’s the only motive for doing it….
>
> I participated a couple of times in some nearby “angel investor” groups a
> few years back …. was looking for new ideas/investments - it was quite
> simple for those pitching ideas… no strings attached and if someone liked
> your idea then you went aside in private and discussed more details.  if
> not, then at least some of the folks had a chance to pitch ideas….
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
> It was one of her personal goals to get on Shark Tank, even before I got
> involved in the business.
>
> I can tell you now, after just getting the actual "deal" paperwork today
> (she filmed months ago), this is the absolute worst deal I have ever seen
> for a small business owner. Royalties, commissions, options to buy equity
> up to 3 years into the future, etc. :(
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 10/24/2016 2:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> So it doesn't sound like she needs money since she has you. Going in for
> the publicity?
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:15 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> ha funny guy
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390 <%28915%29%20861-1390>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> But I gotta new old motorhome!
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 11:40 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>>
>>
>> Crystal meth show has been done Chuck... Next
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2016 11:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> I have something on the cooker.
>>
>> *From:* Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 11:17 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>>
>> nice... when are we going to have a WISP venture there?
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> Pretty cool.  One of my favorite shows.
>> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 24,
>> 2016 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>> Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made two
>> years ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :)
>>
>> It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from
>> nothing to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When
>> we first met her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment
>> and selling them at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is
>> in a 26,000sqft warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes
>> overwhelming, but she makes things happen. :)
>>
>> http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

[Ken Hohhof]

And if you want to run your 450i AP in 5.1-5.3 GHz, the only SM choices are 
those expensive 450i SMs.  It’s not like you can buy a 5.2 GHz 450 SM.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 7:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

 

Why can't someone make an SM with some gain that has the ease of assembly of 
the newer Nanobeams? I never have assembled a Force 200 but the old Force 110 
was a PITA compared to a simple Nanobeam. Also I really welcome this new style 
of SM with un-capped throughput at possibly at the $299 price level. The 450i 
SM's coming in at over $500/each is way to much for normal residential 
customers. There is no need for residential accounts to have that expensive 
ruggedized hardware in my area. So next question, will this new SM have a 
Gigabit or 10/100 Ethernet port? Also will it be 24v or 48v POE? Hopefully its 
still 24v because most of us will be swapping out existing 450 SM's with these 
and when the customers not home and needing to change the POE injector is going 
to be a huge issue.

 

Also if this integrated dish CPE that's un-capped will be $299 then that means 
they need a non-integrated non-dished CPE in the $200 price level, maybe phase 
out the P11 hardware for some P12 or P13 hardware with original SM form factor 
and un-capped throughput 

 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

Oh, like UBNT and their “InnerFeed”.  Was never fond of that.  Especially the 
first versions which begged for water intrusion.

 

Seems like there would be some heat dissipation issues doing that with 450/450i 
electronics.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 5:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

 

The 110 and 450d is the sub-reflector assembly type. The Force200 took the 
electronics into the feed and dipole at the end.

On 10/24/2016 5:11 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What’s the difference between Force 200 and 450d?  Cassegrain feed vs 
subreflector in radome?  Sheesh, make up your mind.  Is it a cost thing?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 4:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

 

I believe that's the idea, yes. Be interesting to see how they cram all of the 
guts onto a board at the Force200 size integrated feed tube dipole setup. I 
guess it doesn't have to be exactly the same size.

Be nice if they kept sync-over-power capability to spin a PTP variant. Hint 
hint. That's one thing I wish the Force200 had. IMHO.

On 10/24/2016 4:16 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

I heard that the new 450i SM that will be end of 2017 will be possibly the 
Force 200 form factor and will be un-capped for $299.00

 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

We’ll see if Matt or Aaron jumps in, but I suspect the answer is yes and no.  
The 450D definitely knows it’s an integrated antenna, the external gain field 
is locked, but likely that’s just something programmed into NV storage.  For 
more CPU horsepower, I suspect you want the 450i SM which AFAIK still comes 
only in connectorized and integrated panel versions and costs $$$.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

 

Does the 450D have the exact same internal PCB board has original 450SM's? 
Reason I am asking is does the 45D have capability of getting more throughput 
to each individual SM vs the original 450 which capped out at about 70mbps. I 
am wondering because with the extra wide channels coming with 450 (40mhz) can 
we expect more speed to the clients?

 

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Matt  > wrote:

Old thread but do you see 3db more signal with them vs a standard sm with 
reflector?

 

 

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

We use them a lot.  Most installs.

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Daniel White
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

 

Personally I like them.  Reflectors and the classic Canopy case SM’s are 
certainly more popular though.

 

There are a number of WISP’s that buy them though.  I think the 4 pack and only 
20Mbps/Unlimited keys turns some people off.

 

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 

[AFMUG] interested in radome for Jirous dishes

[Rory Conaway]

Need one for a 4' parabolic, the Jirous 1200

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"In Baseball Heaven  The balls in the batting cage pick themselves up."  - 
Lessons from Baseball

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Why can't someone make an SM with some gain that has the ease of assembly
of the newer Nanobeams? I never have assembled a Force 200 but the old
Force 110 was a PITA compared to a simple Nanobeam. Also I really welcome
this new style of SM with un-capped throughput at possibly at the $299
price level. The 450i SM's coming in at over $500/each is way to much for
normal residential customers. There is no need for residential accounts to
have that expensive ruggedized hardware in my area. So next question, will
this new SM have a Gigabit or 10/100 Ethernet port? Also will it be 24v or
48v POE? Hopefully its still 24v because most of us will be swapping out
existing 450 SM's with these and when the customers not home and needing to
change the POE injector is going to be a huge issue.

Also if this integrated dish CPE that's un-capped will be $299 then that
means they need a non-integrated non-dished CPE in the $200 price level,
maybe phase out the P11 hardware for some P12 or P13 hardware with original
SM form factor and un-capped throughput

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Oh, like UBNT and their “InnerFeed”.  Was never fond of that.  Especially
> the first versions which begged for water intrusion.
>
>
>
> Seems like there would be some heat dissipation issues doing that with
> 450/450i electronics.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 5:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector
>
>
>
> The 110 and 450d is the sub-reflector assembly type. The Force200 took the
> electronics into the feed and dipole at the end.
>
> On 10/24/2016 5:11 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> What’s the difference between Force 200 and 450d?  Cassegrain feed vs
> subreflector in radome?  Sheesh, make up your mind.  Is it a cost thing?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 4:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector
>
>
>
> I believe that's the idea, yes. Be interesting to see how they cram all of
> the guts onto a board at the Force200 size integrated feed tube dipole
> setup. I guess it doesn't have to be exactly the same size.
>
> Be nice if they kept sync-over-power capability to spin a PTP variant.
> Hint hint. That's one thing I wish the Force200 had. IMHO.
>
> On 10/24/2016 4:16 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>
> I heard that the new 450i SM that will be end of 2017 will be possibly the
> Force 200 form factor and will be un-capped for $299.00
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> We’ll see if Matt or Aaron jumps in, but I suspect the answer is yes and
> no.  The 450D definitely knows it’s an integrated antenna, the external
> gain field is locked, but likely that’s just something programmed into NV
> storage.  For more CPU horsepower, I suspect you want the 450i SM which
> AFAIK still comes only in connectorized and integrated panel versions and
> costs $$$.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 9:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector
>
>
>
> Does the 450D have the exact same internal PCB board has original 450SM's?
> Reason I am asking is does the 45D have capability of getting more
> throughput to each individual SM vs the original 450 which capped out at
> about 70mbps. I am wondering because with the extra wide channels coming
> with 450 (40mhz) can we expect more speed to the clients?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Matt  wrote:
>
> Old thread but do you see 3db more signal with them vs a standard sm with
> reflector?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband <
> li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> We use them a lot.  Most installs.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector
>
>
>
> Personally I like them.  Reflectors and the classic Canopy case SM’s are
> certainly more popular though.
>
>
>
> There are a number of WISP’s that buy them though.  I think the 4 pack and
> only 20Mbps/Unlimited keys turns some people off.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *timothy steele
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector
>
>
>
> Looks like power and gain are the same but the 450d has more of a narrow
> antenna pattern then using a dish so I would expect to see better results
> don't have 1 to try though..
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[Bill Prince]

It's not 100% clear from your description, but the AF11x is using both 
polarities.


The Mimosa is a very strange duck. Even using 2 channels and 2 
polarities, there is no way to actually run it full duplex. The 
high-latency half duplex is pretty much baked in. IMO, it squanders air 
bandwidth at the expense of cheapness. And it's highest modulation rate 
is still only 256QAM. We had serious trouble trying to even get 256QAM 
on a relatively modest distance link.



bp


On 10/24/2016 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
I will take a crack at it... just to make sure that My understanding 
is correct too.


In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as follows:-
   A single channel  is actually two channels, one channel is used to 
Transmit and the other channel is used to receive.
   and each of these channels pair can be either in V polarity or H 
polarity (but not mingled).
XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can mount two radios 
together, one using the H polarity and the other using V polarity, but 
the same channel...
But still only one channel (H + V) is used to transmit and the other 
channel is used to Receive. (Thus Full duplex)


MIMO, = One Channel, both H & V polarities are used,  and either 
one can be used for Tx and Rx  (thus half duplex)


AF11x =  Traditional Licensed radio... one channel/polarity for TX 
 and one channel/polarity for RX

Mimosa B11 =  Disruptive... a very odd animal... can be configured as...
Use one channel (both 
polarities)  for TX  and one channel (both polarities) for RX
 or ... Use Two Channels, both polarities 
in each channel, and use either one to TX & RX  (more like a dual 
channel MIMO)
AF5  =Uses one channel (both polarities) for Tx and one channel 
(both polarities) for RX


AF24 =   can be used as
   One Channel (Dual Polarities) for 
TX  and one Channel (Dual Polarities) for RX
   or can use the same one channel 
(dual polarities) for Tx and Rx.


Hope this is as clear as mud !

:)


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"George Skorup" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 7:09:11 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

What's so much different between XPIC and MIMO? I'm asking because
I guess I'm just ignorant. MIMO = single carrier (is OFDM
implied?), dual streams? And XPIC = dual carriers (is
single-carrier QAM per channel implied?) and independent streams
that are aggregated in hardware, perhaps as simple as a LAG on the
internal switch? Or does XPIC add some more magic?

So then what is the UBNT AF11X considered? Or the AF5 and 24 for
that matter since they're also capable of FDD.

On 10/24/2016 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Can a non-vendor tell me if at higher order modulations if
there's limiting gain from co-channel XPIC? I assume it works
to some degree because it's marketed (yes, I have a tub of
salt over here), but at some point the modulations would be
sensitive enough where the X-pol isolation isn't sufficient?

Okay, a vendor can if they're more technical than salesy.

I'm not meaning to imply John was salesy.

;-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"John Seaman" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 3:55:17 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

Hi Ken, the Lynx and Orion are largely identical.  The biggest
difference between the two is that the Orion supports XPIC
where as the Lynx does not.   Keep in mind that either model
can be set up for 2+0, but only with the Orion can both radios
operate on the same channel.  Other than that, the Orion does
offer higher TX power (for certain frequencies) compared to
the Lynx.  However with 6 GHz, 

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring on a Windows box?

[Bill Prince]

Also be aware that running cacti on a Windows platform is very process 
intensive. This is based on my experience from 6-8 years ago. I found 
that a puny, out-dated Linux box could perform cacti processing about 
3-4 times faster than a beefy Windows box. No contest.


Part of this is because most of the tools and libraries that make up 
cacti are not native on Windows (they are native on Linux). There were 
additional issues as well. None-the-less, at about 200 monitored 
devices, I found a middling-level Windows box was not able to run SNMP 
queries fast enough to finish in 5 minutes (and hence ran out of time to 
do a full system scan). My really-old, slow 386-based Linux box could 
process that whole bunch of devices in about 2 minutes. When I got a 
"real" box (meaning just a decent x86 platform, but not expensive), that 
processing time went down to something like 20 seconds.


Today, the number of devices has grown substantially, and the cacti 
engine is running in a CentOS VM. It's still finishing the full SNMP 
scan in about 1/2 a minute.


Windows will get you going with cacti. Linux (or any *nix platform) will 
get you home.



bp


On 10/24/2016 3:17 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
cactiez will get you into cacti quick to test with it, if youre like 
me and not a linux guy this is the quickest avenue to get there, its 
not windows based but its web based so you can access it from windows, 
just set up a vm, even if its a local instance of vmplayer or 
virtualbox, just remember when the vm is running through a poll cycle 
its going to toast your machine if its not beefy


you can downloads snmpc from castlerock demo to see some really cool 
and easy things youll be priced out of, but you can get quick 
visualization of stuff you can do without a learning curve.






On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM, SmarterBroadband 
> wrote:


+1

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 2:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring on a Windows box?

CACTI

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Sam Lambie > wrote:

I am just getting myself acquainted with SNMP monitoring and do
not yet have a Linux box or VM to use. Is there a decent SNMP tool
that  operates on Windows? Preferably Free?

thanks


-- 

-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I will take a crack at it... just to make sure that My understanding is correct 
too. 

In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as follows:- 
A single channel is actually two channels, one channel is used to Transmit and 
the other channel is used to receive. 
and each of these channels pair can be either in V polarity or H polarity (but 
not mingled). 
XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can mount two radios together, one 
using the H polarity and the other using V polarity, but the same channel... 
But still only one channel (H + V) is used to transmit and the other channel is 
used to Receive. (Thus Full duplex) 

MIMO, = One Channel, both H & V polarities are used, and either one can be 
used for Tx and Rx (thus half duplex) 

AF11x = Traditional Licensed radio... one channel/polarity for TX and one 
channel/polarity for RX 
Mimosa B11 = Disruptive... a very odd animal... can be configured as... 
Use one channel (both polarities) for TX and one channel (both polarities) for 
RX 
or ... Use Two Channels, both polarities in each channel, and use either one to 
TX & RX (more like a dual channel MIMO) 
AF5 = Uses one channel (both polarities) for Tx and one channel (both 
polarities) for RX 

AF24 = can be used as 
One Channel (Dual Polarities) for TX and one Channel (Dual Polarities) for RX 
or can use the same one channel (dual polarities) for Tx and Rx. 

Hope this is as clear as mud ! 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "George Skorup" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 7:09:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

> What's so much different between XPIC and MIMO? I'm asking because I guess I'm
> just ignorant. MIMO = single carrier (is OFDM implied?), dual streams? And 
> XPIC
> = dual carriers (is single-carrier QAM per channel implied?) and independent
> streams that are aggregated in hardware, perhaps as simple as a LAG on the
> internal switch? Or does XPIC add some more magic?

> So then what is the UBNT AF11X considered? Or the AF5 and 24 for that matter
> since they're also capable of FDD.

> On 10/24/2016 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

>> Can a non-vendor tell me if at higher order modulations if there's limiting 
>> gain
>> from co-channel XPIC? I assume it works to some degree because it's marketed
>> (yes, I have a tub of salt over here), but at some point the modulations 
>> would
>> be sensitive enough where the X-pol isolation isn't sufficient?

>> Okay, a vendor can if they're more technical than salesy.

>> I'm not meaning to imply John was salesy.

>> ;-)

>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions

>> Midwest Internet Exchange

>> The Brothers WISP

>> From: "John Seaman" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 3:55:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

>> Hi Ken, the Lynx and Orion are largely identical. The biggest difference 
>> between
>> the two is that the Orion supports XPIC where as the Lynx does not. Keep in
>> mind that either model can be set up for 2+0, but only with the Orion can 
>> both
>> radios operate on the same channel. Other than that, the Orion does offer
>> higher TX power (for certain frequencies) compared to the Lynx. However with 
>> 6
>> GHz, the TX frequency for Lynx and Orion are the same. Orion also features
>> SynchE/1588 functionality which is not found on the Lynx. Both models now
>> support buffer size up to 8 MB.

>> John Seaman | Sales | Trango Systems, Inc. |
>> +1-858-248-4006

>> www.trangosys.com

>> Innovating Microwave Backhaul ™

>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote:

>>> Jeremy, I’m trying to remember, can you upgrade that Lynx to 2+0 with a 
>>> license
>>> key as long as you don’t need XPIC? Trango doesn’t spell it out very well on
>>> their website, but it looks like the major differences between Lynx and 
>>> Orion
>>> are buffer size, XPIC, and maybe the interface and powering options? So that
>>> you could still double the throughput as long as you can license a different
>>> frequency pair for the other polarization. And the issue of the wired 
>>> interface
>>> speed.

>>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jeremy
>>> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 10:16 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

>>> I don't know who has the biggest or best, but my 6GHz Trango Apex Lynx has 
>>> been
>>> rock solid for going on four years now. It does 700Mbps FDX. I believe that 
>>> the
>>> Trango Orion has XPIC up to 1.5Gbps in a 56Mhz channel.

>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 
>>> wrote:
 Why in the world would they buy Exalt?

 On Oct 21, 2016 8:10 PM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[Jaime Solorza]

So ground to mountain back to ground I imagine ...there used to some of
those on I 10 between Van Horn and Fort Stockton years ago

On Oct 24, 2016 5:18 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Billboard.  Pre existing.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 5:15 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>
>
> What kind of passive repeater?  Two large dishes with waveguide or heliax
> connecting them together or billboard?
>
> On Oct 21, 2016 4:50 PM,  wrote:
>
>> First I have to find out if there are channels in this area.
>> Then I have a passive repeater to deal with...
>>
>> Not a simple path to engineer.
>>
>> *From:* Daniel White
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 4:33 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>>
>>
>> Well you can only use 60MHz channels max.  That helps make it more
>> competitive.
>>
>>
>>
>> 6GHz most likely precludes higher modulations… you just won’t have the
>> link budget.  Also depends if you’re going all outdoor or
>> split-mount/all-indoor.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’d be shocked if there is a winner here – I’d go with the solution your
>> most comfortable with.
>>
>>
>>
>> My guess is you will end up with Ceragon/Cambium or SIAE.  DragonWave
>> Harmony Advanced is certainly worth a look, although I’m not sure about
>> 6GHz availability since it just started shipping.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck feel free to contact me offlist and we could look at some things.
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
>>
>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>>
>> ConVergence Technologies
>>
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>
>> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 2:04 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>>
>>
>>
>> Who has the highest capacity 6 GHz systems these days?
>>
>>
>> 
>>  Virus-free.
>> www.avast.com
>> 
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[Chuck McCown]

Billboard.  Pre existing.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 5:15 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

What kind of passive repeater?  Two large dishes with waveguide or heliax 
connecting them together or billboard? 


On Oct 21, 2016 4:50 PM,  wrote:

  First I have to find out if there are channels in this area.
  Then I have a passive repeater to deal with...

  Not a simple path to engineer.  

  From: Daniel White 
  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 4:33 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

  Well you can only use 60MHz channels max.  That helps make it more 
competitive.



  6GHz most likely precludes higher modulations… you just won’t have the link 
budget.  Also depends if you’re going all outdoor or split-mount/all-indoor.



  I’d be shocked if there is a winner here – I’d go with the solution your most 
comfortable with.



  My guess is you will end up with Ceragon/Cambium or SIAE.  DragonWave Harmony 
Advanced is certainly worth a look, although I’m not sure about 6GHz 
availability since it just started shipping.  



  Chuck feel free to contact me offlist and we could look at some things.



  Daniel White

  Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

  ConVergence Technologies

  Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 2:04 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system



  Who has the highest capacity 6 GHz systems these days?


   Virus-free. www.avast.com  

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I know of an investment group looking specifically to invest in WISPs.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:51 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
> 
> I’ve heard that… hence my opinion that there are much better ways to get 
> money if that’s the only motive for doing it….
> 
> I participated a couple of times in some nearby “angel investor” groups a few 
> years back …. was looking for new ideas/investments - it was quite simple for 
> those pitching ideas… no strings attached and if someone liked your idea then 
> you went aside in private and discussed more details.  if not, then at least 
> some of the folks had a chance to pitch ideas….
> 
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>> 
>> It was one of her personal goals to get on Shark Tank, even before I got 
>> involved in the business.
>> 
>> I can tell you now, after just getting the actual "deal" paperwork today 
>> (she filmed months ago), this is the absolute worst deal I have ever seen 
>> for a small business owner. Royalties, commissions, options to buy equity up 
>> to 3 years into the future, etc. :(
>> 
>> Travis
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/24/2016 2:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>> So it doesn't sound like she needs money since she has you. Going in for 
>>> the publicity?
>>> 
 On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:15 PM Jaime Solorza  
 wrote:
 ha funny guy
 
 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390
 
 On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
 But I gotta new old motorhome!
  
 From: Jaime Solorza
 Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:40 AM
 To: Animal Farm
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
  
 Crystal meth show has been done Chuck... Next
 
  
 On Oct 24, 2016 11:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
 I have something on the cooker. 
  
 From: Gino Villarini
 Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:17 AM
 To: Animal Farm
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
  
 nice... when are we going to have a
  WISP venture there?
  
 On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
 Pretty cool.  One of my favorite shows.  
 -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 24, 
 2016 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank 
 Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made two 
 years ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :)
 
 It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from 
 nothing to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When 
 we first met her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment 
 and selling them at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is 
 in a 26,000sqft warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes 
 overwhelming, but she makes things happen. :)
 
 http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/
 
 Travis
 
  
 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[Jaime Solorza]

What kind of passive repeater?  Two large dishes with waveguide or heliax
connecting them together or billboard?

On Oct 21, 2016 4:50 PM,  wrote:

> First I have to find out if there are channels in this area.
> Then I have a passive repeater to deal with...
>
> Not a simple path to engineer.
>
> *From:* Daniel White
> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 4:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>
>
> Well you can only use 60MHz channels max.  That helps make it more
> competitive.
>
>
>
> 6GHz most likely precludes higher modulations… you just won’t have the
> link budget.  Also depends if you’re going all outdoor or
> split-mount/all-indoor.
>
>
>
> I’d be shocked if there is a winner here – I’d go with the solution your
> most comfortable with.
>
>
>
> My guess is you will end up with Ceragon/Cambium or SIAE.  DragonWave
> Harmony Advanced is certainly worth a look, although I’m not sure about
> 6GHz availability since it just started shipping.
>
>
>
> Chuck feel free to contact me offlist and we could look at some things.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 2:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>
>
>
> Who has the highest capacity 6 GHz systems these days?
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I've been getting those invites all of a sudden.  Wasn't sure I need another 
social media platform.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:56 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> 
> Speaking of, I just got invited to angellist (angel.co) the other day by some 
> guy I've never heard of.
> I've got a few business ideas on the table, so we'll see how this pans out.
> 
> 
> On Oct 24, 2016 5:51 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:
> I’ve heard that… hence my opinion that there are much better ways to get 
> money if that’s the only motive for doing it….
> 
> I participated a couple of times in some nearby “angel investor” groups a few 
> years back …. was looking for new ideas/investments - it was quite simple for 
> those pitching ideas… no strings attached and if someone liked your idea then 
> you went aside in private and discussed more details.  if not, then at least 
> some of the folks had a chance to pitch ideas….
> 
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>> 
>> It was one of her personal goals to get on Shark Tank, even before I got 
>> involved in the business.
>> 
>> I can tell you now, after just getting the actual "deal" paperwork today 
>> (she filmed months ago), this is the absolute worst deal I have ever seen 
>> for a small business owner. Royalties, commissions, options to buy equity up 
>> to 3 years into the future, etc. :(
>> 
>> Travis
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/24/2016 2:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>> So it doesn't sound like she needs money since she has you. Going in for 
>>> the publicity?
>>> 
 On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:15 PM Jaime Solorza  
 wrote:
 ha funny guy
 
 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390
 
 On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
 But I gotta new old motorhome!
  
 From: Jaime Solorza
 Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:40 AM
 To: Animal Farm
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
  
 Crystal meth show has been done Chuck... Next
 
  
 On Oct 24, 2016 11:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
 I have something on the cooker.  
  
 From: Gino Villarini
 Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:17 AM
 To: Animal Farm
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
  
 nice... when are we going to have a WISP venture there?
  
 On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
 Pretty cool.  One of my favorite shows.  
 -Original Message- From:   
   Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 10:47 AM To: 
 af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank 
 Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made two 
 years ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :)
 
 It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from 
 nothing to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When 
 we first met her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment 
 and selling them at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is 
 in a 26,000sqft warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes 
 overwhelming, but she makes things happen. :)
 
 http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/
 
 Travis
 
  
 
>> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[George Skorup]

What's so much different between XPIC and MIMO? I'm asking because I 
guess I'm just ignorant. MIMO = single carrier (is OFDM implied?), dual 
streams? And XPIC = dual carriers (is single-carrier QAM per channel 
implied?) and independent streams that are aggregated in hardware, 
perhaps as simple as a LAG on the internal switch? Or does XPIC add some 
more magic?


So then what is the UBNT AF11X considered? Or the AF5 and 24 for that 
matter since they're also capable of FDD.


On 10/24/2016 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Can a non-vendor tell me if at higher order modulations if there's 
limiting gain from co-channel XPIC? I assume it works to some degree 
because it's marketed (yes, I have a tub of salt over here), but at 
some point the modulations would be sensitive enough where the X-pol 
isolation isn't sufficient?


Okay, a vendor can if they're more technical than salesy.

I'm not meaning to imply John was salesy.

;-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"John Seaman" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 3:55:17 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

Hi Ken, the Lynx and Orion are largely identical.  The biggest 
difference between the two is that the Orion supports XPIC where as 
the Lynx does not.   Keep in mind that either model can be set up for 
2+0, but only with the Orion can both radios operate on the same 
channel. Other than that, the Orion does offer higher TX power (for 
certain frequencies) compared to the Lynx.  However with 6 GHz, the TX 
frequency for Lynx and Orion are the same. Orion also features 
SynchE/1588 functionality which is not found on the Lynx.  Both models 
now support buffer size up to 8 MB.


John Seaman |Sales|*Trango Systems, Inc. |*
/
*+1-858-248-4006  *
/
**|
www.trangosys.com 
//
///Trango Systems ///

/Innovating Microwave Backhaul//™/



On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Jeremy, I’m trying to remember, can you upgrade that Lynx to 2+0
with a license key as long as you don’t need XPIC?  Trango doesn’t
spell it out very well on their website, but it looks like the
major differences between Lynx and Orion are buffer size, XPIC,
and maybe the interface and powering options?  So that you could
still double the throughput as long as you can license a different
frequency pair for the other polarization.  And the issue of the
wired interface speed.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
*Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 10:16 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

I don't know who has the biggest or best, but my 6GHz Trango Apex
Lynx has been rock solid for going on four years now.  It does
700Mbps FDX.  I believe that the Trango Orion has XPIC up to
1.5Gbps in a 56Mhz channel.

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Josh Reynolds
> wrote:

Why in the world would they buy Exalt?

On Oct 21, 2016 8:10 PM, "Jaime Solorza"
>
wrote:

I thought Crisco bought out Exalt

On Oct 21, 2016 5:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof" > wrote:

I thought I got an ad recently from Exalt about a big
sale through the end of the year on Extreme Air 6Hz. 
Oops, I just found the email, and it’s everything but

6 GHz.  Not sure I’d buy Exalt anyway. Maybe someone
else was having an overstock sale on 6 GHz?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com 
*Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 5:50 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

First I have to find out if there are channels in this
area.

Then I have a passive repeater to deal 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Josh Reynolds]

Speaking of, I just got invited to angellist (angel.co) the other day by
some guy I've never heard of.
I've got a few business ideas on the table, so we'll see how this pans out.

On Oct 24, 2016 5:51 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

I’ve heard that… hence my opinion that there are much better ways to get
money if that’s the only motive for doing it….

I participated a couple of times in some nearby “angel investor” groups a
few years back …. was looking for new ideas/investments - it was quite
simple for those pitching ideas… no strings attached and if someone liked
your idea then you went aside in private and discussed more details.  if
not, then at least some of the folks had a chance to pitch ideas….


On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

It was one of her personal goals to get on Shark Tank, even before I got
involved in the business.

I can tell you now, after just getting the actual "deal" paperwork today
(she filmed months ago), this is the absolute worst deal I have ever seen
for a small business owner. Royalties, commissions, options to buy equity
up to 3 years into the future, etc. :(

Travis


On 10/24/2016 2:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

So it doesn't sound like she needs money since she has you. Going in for
the publicity?

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:15 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> ha funny guy
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 <%28915%29%20861-1390>
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> But I gotta new old motorhome!
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 11:40 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>
>
> Crystal meth show has been done Chuck... Next
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 11:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> I have something on the cooker.
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 11:17 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>
> nice... when are we going to have a WISP venture there?
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Pretty cool.  One of my favorite shows.
> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 24,
> 2016 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
> Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made two
> years ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :)
>
> It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from
> nothing to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When
> we first met her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment
> and selling them at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is
> in a 26,000sqft warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes
> overwhelming, but she makes things happen. :)
>
> http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/
>
> Travis
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Paul Stewart]

I’ve heard that… hence my opinion that there are much better ways to get money 
if that’s the only motive for doing it….

I participated a couple of times in some nearby “angel investor” groups a few 
years back …. was looking for new ideas/investments - it was quite simple for 
those pitching ideas… no strings attached and if someone liked your idea then 
you went aside in private and discussed more details.  if not, then at least 
some of the folks had a chance to pitch ideas….


> On Oct 24, 2016, at 6:48 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> 
> It was one of her personal goals to get on Shark Tank, even before I got 
> involved in the business.
> 
> I can tell you now, after just getting the actual "deal" paperwork today (she 
> filmed months ago), this is the absolute worst deal I have ever seen for a 
> small business owner. Royalties, commissions, options to buy equity up to 3 
> years into the future, etc. :(
> 
> Travis
> 
> 
> On 10/24/2016 2:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>> So it doesn't sound like she needs money since she has you. Going in for the 
>> publicity?
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:15 PM Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>> ha funny guy
>> 
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390 
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown > > wrote:
>> But I gotta new old motorhome!
>>  
>> From: Jaime Solorza <>
>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:40 AM
>> To: Animal Farm <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>>  
>> Crystal meth show has been done Chuck... Next
>> 
>>  
>> On Oct 24, 2016 11:37 AM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:
>> I have something on the cooker. 
>>  
>> From: Gino Villarini <>
>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:17 AM
>> To: Animal Farm <>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>>  
>> nice... when are we going to have a WISP venture there?
>>  
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:
>> Pretty cool.  One of my favorite shows.  
>> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 24, 
>> 2016 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com <> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank 
>> Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made two 
>> years ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :)
>> 
>> It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from 
>> nothing to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When we 
>> first met her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment and 
>> selling them at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is in a 
>> 26,000sqft warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes 
>> overwhelming, but she makes things happen. :)
>> 
>> http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/ 
>> 
>> 
>> Travis
>> 
>>  
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Seth Mattinen]

On 10/24/16 15:48, Travis Johnson wrote:

It was one of her personal goals to get on Shark Tank, even before I got
involved in the business.

I can tell you now, after just getting the actual "deal" paperwork today
(she filmed months ago), this is the absolute worst deal I have ever
seen for a small business owner. Royalties, commissions, options to buy
equity up to 3 years into the future, etc. :(



Well now you just went and spoiled it.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Chuck McCown]

Must have been Mr. Wonderful...?

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 4:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

It was one of her personal goals to get on Shark Tank, even before I got 
involved in the business.

I can tell you now, after just getting the actual "deal" paperwork today (she 
filmed months ago), this is the absolute worst deal I have ever seen for a 
small business owner. Royalties, commissions, options to buy equity up to 3 
years into the future, etc. :(

Travis



On 10/24/2016 2:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  So it doesn't sound like she needs money since she has you. Going in for the 
publicity?

  On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:15 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

ha funny guy

Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  But I gotta new old motorhome!

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:40 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

  Crystal meth show has been done Chuck... Next 


  On Oct 24, 2016 11:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I have something on the cooker.  

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:17 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

nice... when are we going to have a WISP venture there? 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Pretty cool.  One of my favorite shows.  
  -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 
24, 2016 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank 

  Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made 
two years ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :)

  It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company 
from nothing to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When 
we first met her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment and 
selling them at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is in a 
26,000sqft warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes overwhelming, 
but she makes things happen. :)

  http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/

  Travis

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Travis Johnson]

It was one of her personal goals to get on Shark Tank, even before I got 
involved in the business.


I can tell you now, after just getting the actual "deal" paperwork today 
(she filmed months ago), this is the absolute worst deal I have ever 
seen for a small business owner. Royalties, commissions, options to buy 
equity up to 3 years into the future, etc. :(


Travis


On 10/24/2016 2:02 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
So it doesn't sound like she needs money since she has you. Going in 
for the publicity?


On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:15 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:


ha funny guy

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:

But I gotta new old motorhome!
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 11:40 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

Crystal meth show has been done Chuck... Next

On Oct 24, 2016 11:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I have something on the cooker.
*From:* Gino Villarini
*Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 11:17 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
nice... when are we going to have a WISP venture there?
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown
 wrote:

Pretty cool. One of my favorite shows.
-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent:
Monday, October 24, 2016 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my
investments made two years ago, Ecoflower, will be on
the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :)

It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow
this company from nothing to a multi-million dollar
business (even before Shark Tank). When we first met
her, she was building these flower bouquets in her
apartment and selling them at farmer's markets. Now
she has 60+ employees and she is in a 26,000sqft
warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes
overwhelming, but she makes things happen. :)

http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

[Ken Hohhof]

Oh, like UBNT and their “InnerFeed”.  Was never fond of that.  Especially the 
first versions which begged for water intrusion.

 

Seems like there would be some heat dissipation issues doing that with 450/450i 
electronics.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 5:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

 

The 110 and 450d is the sub-reflector assembly type. The Force200 took the 
electronics into the feed and dipole at the end.

On 10/24/2016 5:11 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What’s the difference between Force 200 and 450d?  Cassegrain feed vs 
subreflector in radome?  Sheesh, make up your mind.  Is it a cost thing?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 4:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

 

I believe that's the idea, yes. Be interesting to see how they cram all of the 
guts onto a board at the Force200 size integrated feed tube dipole setup. I 
guess it doesn't have to be exactly the same size.

Be nice if they kept sync-over-power capability to spin a PTP variant. Hint 
hint. That's one thing I wish the Force200 had. IMHO.

On 10/24/2016 4:16 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

I heard that the new 450i SM that will be end of 2017 will be possibly the 
Force 200 form factor and will be un-capped for $299.00

 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

We’ll see if Matt or Aaron jumps in, but I suspect the answer is yes and no.  
The 450D definitely knows it’s an integrated antenna, the external gain field 
is locked, but likely that’s just something programmed into NV storage.  For 
more CPU horsepower, I suspect you want the 450i SM which AFAIK still comes 
only in connectorized and integrated panel versions and costs $$$.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

 

Does the 450D have the exact same internal PCB board has original 450SM's? 
Reason I am asking is does the 45D have capability of getting more throughput 
to each individual SM vs the original 450 which capped out at about 70mbps. I 
am wondering because with the extra wide channels coming with 450 (40mhz) can 
we expect more speed to the clients?

 

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Matt  > wrote:

Old thread but do you see 3db more signal with them vs a standard sm with 
reflector?

 

 

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

We use them a lot.  Most installs.

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Daniel White
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

 

Personally I like them.  Reflectors and the classic Canopy case SM’s are 
certainly more popular though.

 

There are a number of WISP’s that buy them though.  I think the 4 pack and only 
20Mbps/Unlimited keys turns some people off.

 

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590  

  dwh...@converge-tech.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

 

Looks like power and gain are the same but the 450d has more of a narrow 
antenna pattern then using a dish so I would expect to see better results don't 
have 1 to try though..

 

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 5:55 PM Jon Langeler  > wrote:

Someone bought one that's not government?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Matt   > wrote:
>
> Has anyone compared a PMP450d to a PMP450 5ghz SM with reflector?  I
> have a problem CPE I need just a bit more gain and wandered if that
> will get me over the hump.
>
> What about a 3.65 SM with reflector vs the PMP450 3.6 with integrated antenna?

 


 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

[Daniel White]

450i SM and the wideband SM’s won’t be the same hardware.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 3:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector



I believe that's the idea, yes. Be interesting to see how they cram all of the 
guts onto a board at the Force200 size integrated feed tube dipole setup. I 
guess it doesn't have to be exactly the same size.

Be nice if they kept sync-over-power capability to spin a PTP variant. Hint 
hint. That's one thing I wish the Force200 had. IMHO.

On 10/24/2016 4:16 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

I heard that the new 450i SM that will be end of 2017 will be possibly the 
Force 200 form factor and will be un-capped for $299.00



On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

We’ll see if Matt or Aaron jumps in, but I suspect the answer is yes and no.  
The 450D definitely knows it’s an integrated antenna, the external gain field 
is locked, but likely that’s just something programmed into NV storage.  For 
more CPU horsepower, I suspect you want the 450i SM which AFAIK still comes 
only in connectorized and integrated panel versions and costs $$$.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector



Does the 450D have the exact same internal PCB board has original 450SM's? 
Reason I am asking is does the 45D have capability of getting more throughput 
to each individual SM vs the original 450 which capped out at about 70mbps. I 
am wondering because with the extra wide channels coming with 450 (40mhz) can 
we expect more speed to the clients?



On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Matt  > wrote:

Old thread but do you see 3db more signal with them vs a standard sm with 
reflector?





On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

We use them a lot.  Most installs.

Adam



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Daniel White
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector



Personally I like them.  Reflectors and the classic Canopy case SM’s are 
certainly more popular though.



There are a number of WISP’s that buy them though.  I think the 4 pack and only 
20Mbps/Unlimited keys turns some people off.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 

  dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector



Looks like power and gain are the same but the 450d has more of a narrow 
antenna pattern then using a dish so I would expect to see better results don't 
have 1 to try though..



On Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 5:55 PM Jon Langeler  > wrote:

Someone bought one that's not government?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Matt   > wrote:
>
> Has anyone compared a PMP450d to a PMP450 5ghz SM with reflector?  I
> have a problem CPE I need just a bit more gain and wandered if that
> will get me over the hump.
>
> What about a 3.65 SM with reflector vs the PMP450 3.6 with integrated antenna?




 


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Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

[George Skorup]

The 110 and 450d is the sub-reflector assembly type. The Force200 took 
the electronics into the feed and dipole at the end.


On 10/24/2016 5:11 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


What’s the difference between Force 200 and 450d?  Cassegrain feed vs 
subreflector in radome?  Sheesh, make up your mind.  Is it a cost thing?


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 4:43 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

I believe that's the idea, yes. Be interesting to see how they cram 
all of the guts onto a board at the Force200 size integrated feed tube 
dipole setup. I guess it doesn't have to be exactly the same size.


Be nice if they kept sync-over-power capability to spin a PTP variant. 
Hint hint. That's one thing I wish the Force200 had. IMHO.


On 10/24/2016 4:16 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

I heard that the new 450i SM that will be end of 2017 will be
possibly the Force 200 form factor and will be un-capped for $299.00

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:

We’ll see if Matt or Aaron jumps in, but I suspect the answer
is yes and no.  The 450D definitely knows it’s an integrated
antenna, the external gain field is locked, but likely that’s
just something programmed into NV storage.  For more CPU
horsepower, I suspect you want the 450i SM which AFAIK still
comes only in connectorized and integrated panel versions and
costs $$$.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 9:49 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

Does the 450D have the exact same internal PCB board has
original 450SM's? Reason I am asking is does the 45D have
capability of getting more throughput to each individual SM vs
the original 450 which capped out at about 70mbps. I am
wondering because with the extra wide channels coming with 450
(40mhz) can we expect more speed to the clients?

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Matt
> wrote:

Old thread but do you see 3db more signal with them vs a
standard sm with reflector?

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband
> wrote:

We use them a lot.  Most installs.

Adam

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

Personally I like them. Reflectors and the classic
Canopy case SM’s are certainly more popular though.

There are a number of WISP’s that buy them though. I
think the 4 pack and only 20Mbps/Unlimited keys turns
some people off.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 

dwh...@converge-tech.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*timothy steele
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

Looks like power and gain are the same but the 450d
has more of a narrow antenna pattern then using a dish
so I would expect to see better results don't have 1
to try though..

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 5:55 PM Jon Langeler
> wrote:

Someone bought one that's not government?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Matt
> wrote:
>
> Has anyone compared a PMP450d to a PMP450 5ghz
SM with reflector?  I
> have a problem CPE I need just a bit more gain
and wandered if that
> will get me over the hump.
>
> What about a 3.65 SM with reflector vs the

Re: [AFMUG] DC Powered 10g switch

[Gino Villarini]

Planet

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:

> Any particular make you are wondering about?  Cisco/Juniper/Brocade all
> make them for example…
>
> thanks,
> Paul
>
> On Oct 24, 2016, at 4:27 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> Anyone know of any current or upcoming 10g switches that are DC Powered?
>
> I'm aware of the es-16-xg
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[Mike Hammett]

Can a non-vendor tell me if at higher order modulations if there's limiting 
gain from co-channel XPIC? I assume it works to some degree because it's 
marketed (yes, I have a tub of salt over here), but at some point the 
modulations would be sensitive enough where the X-pol isolation isn't 
sufficient? 

Okay, a vendor can if they're more technical than salesy. 

I'm not meaning to imply John was salesy. 

;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "John Seaman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 3:55:17 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system 


Hi Ken, the Lynx and Orion are largely identical. The biggest difference 
between the two is that the Orion supports XPIC where as the Lynx does not. 
Keep in mind that either model can be set up for 2+0, but only with the Orion 
can both radios operate on the same channel. Other than that, the Orion does 
offer higher TX power (for certain frequencies) compared to the Lynx. However 
with 6 GHz, the TX frequency for Lynx and Orion are the same. Orion also 
features SynchE/1588 functionality which is not found on the Lynx. Both models 
now support buffer size up to 8 MB. 



















John Seaman | Sales | Trango Systems, Inc. | 

+1-858-248-4006 | 
www.trangosys.com 


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Innovating Microwave Backhaul ™ 







On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 





Jeremy, I’m trying to remember, can you upgrade that Lynx to 2+0 with a license 
key as long as you don’t need XPIC? Trango doesn’t spell it out very well on 
their website, but it looks like the major differences between Lynx and Orion 
are buffer size, XPIC, and maybe the interface and powering options? So that 
you could still double the throughput as long as you can license a different 
frequency pair for the other polarization. And the issue of the wired interface 
speed. 


From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jeremy 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 10:16 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system 


I don't know who has the biggest or best, but my 6GHz Trango Apex Lynx has been 
rock solid for going on four years now. It does 700Mbps FDX. I believe that the 
Trango Orion has XPIC up to 1.5Gbps in a 56Mhz channel. 



On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 


Why in the world would they buy Exalt? 



On Oct 21, 2016 8:10 PM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: 


I thought Crisco bought out Exalt 



On Oct 21, 2016 5:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 






I thought I got an ad recently from Exalt about a big sale through the end of 
the year on Extreme Air 6Hz. Oops, I just found the email, and it’s everything 
but 6 GHz. Not sure I’d buy Exalt anyway. Maybe someone else was having an 
overstock sale on 6 GHz? 




From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 5:50 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system 




First I have to find out if there are channels in this area. 

Then I have a passive repeater to deal with... 



Not a simple path to engineer. 






From: Daniel White 

Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 4:33 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system 



Well you can only use 60MHz channels max. That helps make it more competitive. 

6GHz most likely precludes higher modulations… you just won’t have the link 
budget. Also depends if you’re going all outdoor or split-mount/all-indoor. 

I’d be shocked if there is a winner here – I’d go with the solution your most 
comfortable with. 

My guess is you will end up with Ceragon/Cambium or SIAE. DragonWave Harmony 
Advanced is certainly worth a look, although I’m not sure about 6GHz 
availability since it just started shipping. 

Chuck feel free to contact me offlist and we could look at some things. 


Daniel White 
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales 
ConVergence Technologies 
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 
dwh...@converge-tech.com 




From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 2:04 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system 




Who has the highest capacity 6 GHz systems these days? 


Virus-free. www.avast.com 

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring on a Windows box?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

cactiez will get you into cacti quick to test with it, if youre like me and
not a linux guy this is the quickest avenue to get there, its not windows
based but its web based so you can access it from windows, just set up a
vm, even if its a local instance of vmplayer or virtualbox, just remember
when the vm is running through a poll cycle its going to toast your machine
if its not beefy

you can downloads snmpc from castlerock demo to see some really cool and
easy things youll be priced out of, but you can get quick visualization of
stuff you can do without a learning curve.





On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 5:06 PM, SmarterBroadband <
li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:

> +1
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 2:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring on a Windows box?
>
>
>
> CACTI
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
> I am just getting myself acquainted with SNMP monitoring and do not yet
> have a Linux box or VM to use. Is there a decent SNMP tool that  operates
> on Windows? Preferably Free?
>
> thanks
>
>
> --
>
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

[Ken Hohhof]

What’s the difference between Force 200 and 450d?  Cassegrain feed vs 
subreflector in radome?  Sheesh, make up your mind.  Is it a cost thing?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 4:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

 

I believe that's the idea, yes. Be interesting to see how they cram all of the 
guts onto a board at the Force200 size integrated feed tube dipole setup. I 
guess it doesn't have to be exactly the same size.

Be nice if they kept sync-over-power capability to spin a PTP variant. Hint 
hint. That's one thing I wish the Force200 had. IMHO.

On 10/24/2016 4:16 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

I heard that the new 450i SM that will be end of 2017 will be possibly the 
Force 200 form factor and will be un-capped for $299.00

 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

We’ll see if Matt or Aaron jumps in, but I suspect the answer is yes and no.  
The 450D definitely knows it’s an integrated antenna, the external gain field 
is locked, but likely that’s just something programmed into NV storage.  For 
more CPU horsepower, I suspect you want the 450i SM which AFAIK still comes 
only in connectorized and integrated panel versions and costs $$$.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

 

Does the 450D have the exact same internal PCB board has original 450SM's? 
Reason I am asking is does the 45D have capability of getting more throughput 
to each individual SM vs the original 450 which capped out at about 70mbps. I 
am wondering because with the extra wide channels coming with 450 (40mhz) can 
we expect more speed to the clients?

 

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Matt  > wrote:

Old thread but do you see 3db more signal with them vs a standard sm with 
reflector?

 

 

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband  > wrote:

We use them a lot.  Most installs.

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Daniel White
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

 

Personally I like them.  Reflectors and the classic Canopy case SM’s are 
certainly more popular though.

 

There are a number of WISP’s that buy them though.  I think the 4 pack and only 
20Mbps/Unlimited keys turns some people off.

 

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590  

  dwh...@converge-tech.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

 

Looks like power and gain are the same but the 450d has more of a narrow 
antenna pattern then using a dish so I would expect to see better results don't 
have 1 to try though..

 

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 5:55 PM Jon Langeler  > wrote:

Someone bought one that's not government?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Matt   > wrote:
>
> Has anyone compared a PMP450d to a PMP450 5ghz SM with reflector?  I
> have a problem CPE I need just a bit more gain and wandered if that
> will get me over the hump.
>
> What about a 3.65 SM with reflector vs the PMP450 3.6 with integrated antenna?

 


 

 

Virus-free.  

 www.avast.com 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring on a Windows box?

[SmarterBroadband]

+1

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 2:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring on a Windows box?

 

CACTI

 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

I am just getting myself acquainted with SNMP monitoring and do not yet have a 
Linux box or VM to use. Is there a decent SNMP tool that  operates on Windows? 
Preferably Free?

thanks



-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com  

 

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[Ken Hohhof]

I was a bit confused thinking that maybe Jeremy could enable 2+0 with a license 
key, like some dual core radios.  It would take a second radio and a combiner.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 4:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

 

Wonder if they have enough horsepower to work via a passive reflector?  I have 
not done the numbers yet, but some of those systems used 10 and 12 foot dishes. 
 

 

From: John Seaman 

Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 2:55 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

 

Hi Ken, the Lynx and Orion are largely identical.  The biggest difference 
between the two is that the Orion supports XPIC where as the Lynx does not.   
Keep in mind that either model can be set up for 2+0, but only with the Orion 
can both radios operate on the same channel.  Other than that, the Orion does 
offer higher TX power (for certain frequencies) compared to the Lynx.  However 
with 6 GHz, the TX frequency for Lynx and Orion are the same.  Orion also 
features SynchE/1588 functionality which is not found on the Lynx.  Both models 
now support buffer size up to 8 MB. 

 

John Seaman | Sales | Trango Systems, Inc. |

  +1-858-248-4006 

 |

  www.trangosys.com

  

 

Innovating Microwave Backhaul™

 

 

 

On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

Jeremy, I’m trying to remember, can you upgrade that Lynx to 2+0 with a license 
key as long as you don’t need XPIC?  Trango doesn’t spell it out very well on 
their website, but it looks like the major differences between Lynx and Orion 
are buffer size, XPIC, and maybe the interface and powering options?  So that 
you could still double the throughput as long as you can license a different 
frequency pair for the other polarization.  And the issue of the wired 
interface speed.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 10:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

 

I don't know who has the biggest or best, but my 6GHz Trango Apex Lynx has been 
rock solid for going on four years now.  It does 700Mbps FDX.  I believe that 
the Trango Orion has XPIC up to 1.5Gbps in a 56Mhz channel.

 

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:

Why in the world would they buy Exalt? 

 

On Oct 21, 2016 8:10 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  > wrote:

I thought Crisco bought out Exalt

 

On Oct 21, 2016 5:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  
> wrote:

I thought I got an ad recently from Exalt about a big sale through the end of 
the year on Extreme Air 6Hz.  Oops, I just found the email, and it’s everything 
but 6 GHz.  Not sure I’d buy Exalt anyway.  Maybe someone else was having an 
overstock sale on 6 GHz?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 5:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

 

First I have to find out if there are channels in this area.

Then I have a passive repeater to deal with...

 

Not a simple path to engineer.  

 

From: Daniel White 

Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 4:33 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

 

Well you can only use 60MHz channels max.  That helps make it more competitive.

 

6GHz most likely precludes higher modulations… you just won’t have the link 
budget.  Also depends if you’re going all outdoor or split-mount/all-indoor.

 

I’d be shocked if there is a winner here – I’d go with the solution your most 
comfortable with.

 

My guess is you will end up with Ceragon/Cambium or SIAE.  DragonWave Harmony 
Advanced is certainly worth a look, although I’m not sure about 6GHz 
availability since it just started shipping.  

 

Chuck feel free to contact me offlist and we could look at some things.

 

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590  

dwh...@converge-tech.com  

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 2:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

 

Who has the highest capacity 6 GHz systems these days?

 


 

 

Virus-free.  

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring on a Windows box?

[Sean Heskett]

i think that's for SNMP monitoring of the windows server, not for the
server using SNMP to monitor other devices.  I'm not a windblows expert tho.

-Sean


On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Micah Miller  wrote:

> Be aware that SNMP is deprecated in starting in Server 2012.
>
> "SNMP is deprecated. Instead, use the Common Information Model (CIM),
> which is supported by the WS-Management web services protocol and
> implemented as Windows Remote Management."
>
>
> https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh831568%28v=ws.
> 11%29.aspx?f=255=-2147217396
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> > CACTI
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Sam Lambie 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am just getting myself acquainted with SNMP monitoring and do not yet
> >> have a Linux box or VM to use. Is there a decent SNMP tool that
> operates on
> >> Windows? Preferably Free?
> >> thanks
> >>
> >> --
> >> --
> >> Sam Lambie
> >> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> >> 575-758-7598 Office
> >> www.Taosnet.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Micah Miller
> Network/Server Administrator
> Network Business Systems, Inc.
> Phone: 309-944-8823
>

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring on a Windows box?

[Micah Miller]

Be aware that SNMP is deprecated in starting in Server 2012.

"SNMP is deprecated. Instead, use the Common Information Model (CIM),
which is supported by the WS-Management web services protocol and
implemented as Windows Remote Management."


https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh831568%28v=ws.11%29.aspx?f=255=-2147217396

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> CACTI
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>
>> I am just getting myself acquainted with SNMP monitoring and do not yet
>> have a Linux box or VM to use. Is there a decent SNMP tool that  operates on
>> Windows? Preferably Free?
>> thanks
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Sam Lambie
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com
>
>



-- 
Micah Miller
Network/Server Administrator
Network Business Systems, Inc.
Phone: 309-944-8823

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

[George Skorup]

I believe that's the idea, yes. Be interesting to see how they cram all 
of the guts onto a board at the Force200 size integrated feed tube 
dipole setup. I guess it doesn't have to be exactly the same size.


Be nice if they kept sync-over-power capability to spin a PTP variant. 
Hint hint. That's one thing I wish the Force200 had. IMHO.


On 10/24/2016 4:16 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
I heard that the new 450i SM that will be end of 2017 will be possibly 
the Force 200 form factor and will be un-capped for $299.00


On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


We’ll see if Matt or Aaron jumps in, but I suspect the answer is
yes and no.  The 450D definitely knows it’s an integrated antenna,
the external gain field is locked, but likely that’s just
something programmed into NV storage.  For more CPU horsepower, I
suspect you want the 450i SM which AFAIK still comes only in
connectorized and integrated panel versions and costs $$$.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 9:49 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

Does the 450D have the exact same internal PCB board has original
450SM's? Reason I am asking is does the 45D have capability of
getting more throughput to each individual SM vs the original 450
which capped out at about 70mbps. I am wondering because with the
extra wide channels coming with 450 (40mhz) can we expect more
speed to the clients?

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Matt > wrote:

Old thread but do you see 3db more signal with them vs a
standard sm with reflector?

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband
> wrote:

We use them a lot.  Most installs.

Adam

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

Personally I like them.  Reflectors and the classic Canopy
case SM’s are certainly more popular though.

There are a number of WISP’s that buy them though.  I
think the 4 pack and only 20Mbps/Unlimited keys turns some
people off.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 

dwh...@converge-tech.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*timothy steele
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

Looks like power and gain are the same but the 450d has
more of a narrow antenna pattern then using a dish so I
would expect to see better results don't have 1 to try
though..

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 5:55 PM Jon Langeler
> wrote:

Someone bought one that's not government?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Matt
> wrote:
>
> Has anyone compared a PMP450d to a PMP450 5ghz SM
with reflector?  I
> have a problem CPE I need just a bit more gain and
wandered if that
> will get me over the hump.
>
> What about a 3.65 SM with reflector vs the PMP450
3.6 with integrated antenna?






Virus-free. www.avast.com

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

My understanding for the new full band 450 SMs (not 450i...those are already 
out) is late first quarter or second quarter next year.  

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> 
> I heard that the new 450i SM that will be end of 2017 will be possibly the 
> Force 200 form factor and will be un-capped for $299.00
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> We’ll see if Matt or Aaron jumps in, but I suspect the answer is yes and no. 
>>  The 450D definitely knows it’s an integrated antenna, the external gain 
>> field is locked, but likely that’s just something programmed into NV 
>> storage.  For more CPU horsepower, I suspect you want the 450i SM which 
>> AFAIK still comes only in connectorized and integrated panel versions and 
>> costs $$$.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:49 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Does the 450D have the exact same internal PCB board has original 450SM's? 
>> Reason I am asking is does the 45D have capability of getting more 
>> throughput to each individual SM vs the original 450 which capped out at 
>> about 70mbps. I am wondering because with the extra wide channels coming 
>> with 450 (40mhz) can we expect more speed to the clients?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Matt  wrote:
>> 
>> Old thread but do you see 3db more signal with them vs a standard sm with 
>> reflector?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> We use them a lot.  Most installs.
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Daniel White
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:13 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Personally I like them.  Reflectors and the classic Canopy case SM’s are 
>> certainly more popular though.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> There are a number of WISP’s that buy them though.  I think the 4 pack and 
>> only 20Mbps/Unlimited keys turns some people off.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Daniel White
>> 
>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>> 
>> ConVergence Technologies
>> 
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>> 
>> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:06 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Looks like power and gain are the same but the 450d has more of a narrow 
>> antenna pattern then using a dish so I would expect to see better results 
>> don't have 1 to try though..
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 5:55 PM Jon Langeler  wrote:
>> 
>> Someone bought one that's not government?
>> 
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>> 
>> > On Jun 28, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Matt  wrote:
>> >
>> > Has anyone compared a PMP450d to a PMP450 5ghz SM with reflector?  I
>> > have a problem CPE I need just a bit more gain and wandered if that
>> > will get me over the hump.
>> >
>> > What about a 3.65 SM with reflector vs the PMP450 3.6 with integrated 
>> > antenna?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Virus-free. www.avast.com
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Take one down, put one up.

[Kurt Fankhauser]

What was the cost of this 160' SSV tower just the tower alone? I put up an
American Tower Co 160' that was about $20k for tower, plus 8k concrete,
plus 2.5k for crane and we picked it up in 1 piece.

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Ben Royer  wrote:

> Thanks, fun getting to put this stuff together.
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 11:27 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Take one down, put one up.
>
>
> Awesome video
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 9:59 AM, "Ben Royer"  wrote:
>
>> Replaced a 90’ SSV with a 160’ SSV, and upgraded the site from PMP100
>> 900Mhz. to 450i 5Ghz. in the process.  Also threw some 820s backhauls in
>> there too.  The take down of old tower and installation of new tower only
>> took a couple of hours once the crane got there, as we had to move the old
>> 900mhz. from one tower to the next.
>>
>> http://www.benroyer.net/thayer.mp4
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
>> Royell Communications, Inc.
>> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I heard that the new 450i SM that will be end of 2017 will be possibly the
Force 200 form factor and will be un-capped for $299.00

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> We’ll see if Matt or Aaron jumps in, but I suspect the answer is yes and
> no.  The 450D definitely knows it’s an integrated antenna, the external
> gain field is locked, but likely that’s just something programmed into NV
> storage.  For more CPU horsepower, I suspect you want the 450i SM which
> AFAIK still comes only in connectorized and integrated panel versions and
> costs $$$.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 9:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector
>
>
>
> Does the 450D have the exact same internal PCB board has original 450SM's?
> Reason I am asking is does the 45D have capability of getting more
> throughput to each individual SM vs the original 450 which capped out at
> about 70mbps. I am wondering because with the extra wide channels coming
> with 450 (40mhz) can we expect more speed to the clients?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Matt  wrote:
>
> Old thread but do you see 3db more signal with them vs a standard sm with
> reflector?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband <
> li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> We use them a lot.  Most installs.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector
>
>
>
> Personally I like them.  Reflectors and the classic Canopy case SM’s are
> certainly more popular though.
>
>
>
> There are a number of WISP’s that buy them though.  I think the 4 pack and
> only 20Mbps/Unlimited keys turns some people off.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *timothy steele
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector
>
>
>
> Looks like power and gain are the same but the 450d has more of a narrow
> antenna pattern then using a dish so I would expect to see better results
> don't have 1 to try though..
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 5:55 PM Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
> Someone bought one that's not government?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
> > On Jun 28, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Matt  wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone compared a PMP450d to a PMP450 5ghz SM with reflector?  I
> > have a problem CPE I need just a bit more gain and wandered if that
> > will get me over the hump.
> >
> > What about a 3.65 SM with reflector vs the PMP450 3.6 with integrated
> antenna?
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Virus-free. www.avast.com
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring on a Windows box?

[Sean Heskett]

CACTI

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:54 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> I am just getting myself acquainted with SNMP monitoring and do not yet
> have a Linux box or VM to use. Is there a decent SNMP tool that  operates
> on Windows? Preferably Free?
> thanks
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[Chuck McCown]

Wonder if they have enough horsepower to work via a passive reflector?  I have 
not done the numbers yet, but some of those systems used 10 and 12 foot dishes. 
 

From: John Seaman 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 2:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

Hi Ken, the Lynx and Orion are largely identical.  The biggest difference 
between the two is that the Orion supports XPIC where as the Lynx does not.   
Keep in mind that either model can be set up for 2+0, but only with the Orion 
can both radios operate on the same channel.  Other than that, the Orion does 
offer higher TX power (for certain frequencies) compared to the Lynx.  However 
with 6 GHz, the TX frequency for Lynx and Orion are the same.  Orion also 
features SynchE/1588 functionality which is not found on the Lynx.  Both models 
now support buffer size up to 8 MB. 

John Seaman | Sales | Trango Systems, Inc. |+1-858-248-4006  |
www.trangosys.com

 

Innovating Microwave Backhaul™





On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Jeremy, I’m trying to remember, can you upgrade that Lynx to 2+0 with a 
license key as long as you don’t need XPIC?  Trango doesn’t spell it out very 
well on their website, but it looks like the major differences between Lynx and 
Orion are buffer size, XPIC, and maybe the interface and powering options?  So 
that you could still double the throughput as long as you can license a 
different frequency pair for the other polarization.  And the issue of the 
wired interface speed.





  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 10:16 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system



  I don't know who has the biggest or best, but my 6GHz Trango Apex Lynx has 
been rock solid for going on four years now.  It does 700Mbps FDX.  I believe 
that the Trango Orion has XPIC up to 1.5Gbps in a 56Mhz channel.



  On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

Why in the world would they buy Exalt? 



On Oct 21, 2016 8:10 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  I thought Crisco bought out Exalt



  On Oct 21, 2016 5:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

I thought I got an ad recently from Exalt about a big sale through the 
end of the year on Extreme Air 6Hz.  Oops, I just found the email, and it’s 
everything but 6 GHz.  Not sure I’d buy Exalt anyway.  Maybe someone else was 
having an overstock sale on 6 GHz?





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 5:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system



First I have to find out if there are channels in this area.

Then I have a passive repeater to deal with...



Not a simple path to engineer.  



From: Daniel White 

Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 4:33 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system



Well you can only use 60MHz channels max.  That helps make it more 
competitive.



6GHz most likely precludes higher modulations… you just won’t have the 
link budget.  Also depends if you’re going all outdoor or 
split-mount/all-indoor.



I’d be shocked if there is a winner here – I’d go with the solution 
your most comfortable with.



My guess is you will end up with Ceragon/Cambium or SIAE.  DragonWave 
Harmony Advanced is certainly worth a look, although I’m not sure about 6GHz 
availability since it just started shipping.  



Chuck feel free to contact me offlist and we could look at some things.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 2:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system



Who has the highest capacity 6 GHz systems these days?




 Virus-free. www.avast.com 
 

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring on a Windows box?

[Chuck McCown]

PRTG

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 2:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring on a Windows box?

I am just getting myself acquainted with SNMP monitoring and do not yet have a 
Linux box or VM to use. Is there a decent SNMP tool that  operates on Windows? 
Preferably Free?

thanks


-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[John Seaman]

Hi Ken, the Lynx and Orion are largely identical.  The biggest difference
between the two is that the Orion supports XPIC where as the Lynx does not.
  Keep in mind that either model can be set up for 2+0, but only with the
Orion can both radios operate on the same channel.  Other than that, the
Orion does offer higher TX power (for certain frequencies) compared to the
Lynx.  However with 6 GHz, the TX frequency for Lynx and Orion are the
same.  Orion also features SynchE/1588 functionality which is not found on
the Lynx.  Both models now support buffer size up to 8 MB.

John Seaman | Sales | *Trango Systems, Inc. | *
*+1-858-248-4006 <+1-858-248-4006> *
 |
www.trangosys.com 
*[image: Trango Systems]  *
*Innovating Microwave Backhaul**™*



On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Jeremy, I’m trying to remember, can you upgrade that Lynx to 2+0 with a
> license key as long as you don’t need XPIC?  Trango doesn’t spell it out
> very well on their website, but it looks like the major differences between
> Lynx and Orion are buffer size, XPIC, and maybe the interface and powering
> options?  So that you could still double the throughput as long as you can
> license a different frequency pair for the other polarization.  And the
> issue of the wired interface speed.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy
> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 10:16 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>
>
>
> I don't know who has the biggest or best, but my 6GHz Trango Apex Lynx has
> been rock solid for going on four years now.  It does 700Mbps FDX.  I
> believe that the Trango Orion has XPIC up to 1.5Gbps in a 56Mhz channel.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
> Why in the world would they buy Exalt?
>
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2016 8:10 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> I thought Crisco bought out Exalt
>
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2016 5:10 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> I thought I got an ad recently from Exalt about a big sale through the end
> of the year on Extreme Air 6Hz.  Oops, I just found the email, and it’s
> everything but 6 GHz.  Not sure I’d buy Exalt anyway.  Maybe someone else
> was having an overstock sale on 6 GHz?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 5:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>
>
>
> First I have to find out if there are channels in this area.
>
> Then I have a passive repeater to deal with...
>
>
>
> Not a simple path to engineer.
>
>
>
> *From:* Daniel White
>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 4:33 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>
>
>
> Well you can only use 60MHz channels max.  That helps make it more
> competitive.
>
>
>
> 6GHz most likely precludes higher modulations… you just won’t have the
> link budget.  Also depends if you’re going all outdoor or
> split-mount/all-indoor.
>
>
>
> I’d be shocked if there is a winner here – I’d go with the solution your
> most comfortable with.
>
>
>
> My guess is you will end up with Ceragon/Cambium or SIAE.  DragonWave
> Harmony Advanced is certainly worth a look, although I’m not sure about
> 6GHz availability since it just started shipping.
>
>
>
> Chuck feel free to contact me offlist and we could look at some things.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 2:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>
>
>
> Who has the highest capacity 6 GHz systems these days?
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Virus-free. www.avast.com
> 
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring on a Windows box?

[Sam Lambie]

I am just getting myself acquainted with SNMP monitoring and do not yet
have a Linux box or VM to use. Is there a decent SNMP tool that  operates
on Windows? Preferably Free?
thanks

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] DC Powered 10g switch

[Paul Stewart]

Any particular make you are wondering about?  Cisco/Juniper/Brocade all make 
them for example…

thanks,
Paul

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 4:27 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
> Anyone know of any current or upcoming 10g switches that are DC Powered?
> 
> I'm aware of the es-16-xg
> 

[AFMUG] DC Powered 10g switch

[TJ Trout]

Anyone know of any current or upcoming 10g switches that are DC Powered?

I'm aware of the es-16-xg

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Paul Stewart]

There’s often a lot better places to go for money …. contacts and exposure 
would be the big things in my opinion …. partnership with some well connected 
people etc… 


> On Oct 24, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> 
> So it doesn't sound like she needs money since she has you. Going in for the 
> publicity?
> 
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:15 PM Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
> ha funny guy
> 
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:
> But I gotta new old motorhome!
>  
> From: Jaime Solorza <>
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:40 AM
> To: Animal Farm <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>  
> Crystal meth show has been done Chuck... Next
> 
>  
> On Oct 24, 2016 11:37 AM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:
> I have something on the cooker. 
>  
> From: Gino Villarini <>
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:17 AM
> To: Animal Farm <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>  
> nice... when are we going to have a WISP venture there?
>  
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:
> Pretty cool.  One of my favorite shows.  
> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 24, 
> 2016 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com <> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank 
> Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made two 
> years ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :)
> 
> It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from 
> nothing to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When we 
> first met her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment and 
> selling them at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is in a 
> 26,000sqft warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes overwhelming, 
> but she makes things happen. :)
> 
> http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/ 
> 
> 
> Travis
> 
>  
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Lewis Bergman]

So it doesn't sound like she needs money since she has you. Going in for
the publicity?

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 2:15 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> ha funny guy
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> But I gotta new old motorhome!
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 11:40 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>
>
> Crystal meth show has been done Chuck... Next
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 11:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> I have something on the cooker.
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 11:17 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>
> nice... when are we going to have a WISP venture there?
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Pretty cool.  One of my favorite shows.
> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 24,
> 2016 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
> Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made two
> years ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :)
>
> It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from
> nothing to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When
> we first met her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment
> and selling them at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is
> in a 26,000sqft warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes
> overwhelming, but she makes things happen. :)
>
> http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/
>
> Travis
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Jaime Solorza]

ha funny guy

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> But I gotta new old motorhome!
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 11:40 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>
>
> Crystal meth show has been done Chuck... Next
>
> On Oct 24, 2016 11:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> I have something on the cooker.
>>
>> *From:* Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 11:17 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>>
>> nice... when are we going to have a WISP venture there?
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty cool.  One of my favorite shows.
>>> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October
>>> 24, 2016 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>>> Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made
>>> two years ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark
>>> Tank. :)
>>>
>>> It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from
>>> nothing to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When
>>> we first met her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment
>>> and selling them at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is
>>> in a 26,000sqft warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes
>>> overwhelming, but she makes things happen. :)
>>>
>>> http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Take one down, put one up.

[Ben Royer]

Thanks, fun getting to put this stuff together.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:27 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Take one down, put one up.

Awesome video


On Oct 24, 2016 9:59 AM, "Ben Royer"  wrote:

  Replaced a 90’ SSV with a 160’ SSV, and upgraded the site from PMP100 900Mhz. 
to 450i 5Ghz. in the process.  Also threw some 820s backhauls in there too.  
The take down of old tower and installation of new tower only took a couple of 
hours once the crane got there, as we had to move the old 900mhz. from one 
tower to the next.

  http://www.benroyer.net/thayer.mp4

  Thank you,
  Ben Royer, Operations Manager
  Royell Communications, Inc.
  217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] Take one down, put one up.

[Ben Royer]

Yeah, worth noting, and I’ve always thought about that, but we’ve checked into 
regulations and we are in the clear.  Most the crop dusting guys around here 
are local and know where we are though.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Take one down, put one up.

I realize at <200 ft it doesn’t need lighting, but what about paint?  I’ve 
noticed an unpainted SSV can be damn near invisible against the sky.  Hazard 
for cropdusters.  Also hard to see with binoculars when doing site surveys.  I 
could see putting a strobe on it just for that purpose, although they are not 
cheap.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Take one down, put one up.

 

I don't like the tip-top of an SSV, too skinny. Which is why the 100' at our 
office is topped with a 4N. And it held up in a tornado. Money well spent.

On 10/24/2016 11:18 AM, Ben Royer wrote:

  Yeah, we’ve done it a handful of times now, 190’ is the tallest we’ve done in 
one pick, just used a lot bigger crane .

   

  Thank you,
  Ben Royer, Operations Manager
  Royell Communications, Inc.
  217-965-3699 www.royell.net

   

  From: Chuck Hogg 

  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:12 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Take one down, put one up.

   

  Made it look easy.  We put up a 160' and were too afraid to do it in one pick.

   

  Regards,
  Chuck

   

  On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Ben Royer  wrote:

Replaced a 90’ SSV with a 160’ SSV, and upgraded the site from PMP100 
900Mhz. to 450i 5Ghz. in the process.  Also threw some 820s backhauls in there 
too.  The take down of old tower and installation of new tower only took a 
couple of hours once the crane got there, as we had to move the old 900mhz. 
from one tower to the next.

 

http://www.benroyer.net/thayer.mp4

 

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

   

 

Re: [AFMUG] Take one down, put one up.

[Ben Royer]

No, it’s a beefy crane, I think capacity is somewhere around 16,000lbs and 
140’?  The other crane we use is a beast though, the ‘permit before travel’ 
kind.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Chuck Hogg 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Take one down, put one up.

Is that a sign truck crane? 90'?

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 12:18 PM, Ben Royer  wrote:

  Yeah, we’ve done it a handful of times now, 190’ is the tallest we’ve done in 
one pick, just used a lot bigger crane .

  Thank you,
  Ben Royer, Operations Manager
  Royell Communications, Inc.
  217-965-3699 www.royell.net

  From: Chuck Hogg 
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:12 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Take one down, put one up.

  Made it look easy.  We put up a 160' and were too afraid to do it in one pick.

  Regards,
  Chuck

  On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Ben Royer  wrote:

Replaced a 90’ SSV with a 160’ SSV, and upgraded the site from PMP100 
900Mhz. to 450i 5Ghz. in the process.  Also threw some 820s backhauls in there 
too.  The take down of old tower and installation of new tower only took a 
couple of hours once the crane got there, as we had to move the old 900mhz. 
from one tower to the next.

http://www.benroyer.net/thayer.mp4

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Chuck McCown]

But I gotta new old motorhome!

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:40 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

Crystal meth show has been done Chuck... Next 


On Oct 24, 2016 11:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  I have something on the cooker.  

  From: Gino Villarini 
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:17 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

  nice... when are we going to have a WISP venture there? 

  On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Pretty cool.  One of my favorite shows.  
-Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 24, 
2016 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank 

Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made two 
years ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :)

It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from 
nothing to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When we 
first met her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment and 
selling them at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is in a 
26,000sqft warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes overwhelming, 
but she makes things happen. :)

http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/

Travis

[AFMUG] Amazon FireTV and Mikrotik

[Nate Burke]

I have a FireTV (not stick) unit for about a year that I only use for 
testing streaming apps.  I have it hardwired, and it seemed like every 
time I went to use it, it wasn't working and I had to reboot it, or 
disable/enable the interface on the mikrotik.  After finally getting 
some time to test with it, I found that it doesn't renew It's DHCP lease 
at the half life, no matter what the Lease time is set to.  It will just 
happily expire the DHCP lease, then stop working.  Now that I knew what 
to search for, I found this single Forum post on the subject. 
http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=104200


Since lots of people are deploying managed Mikrotiks for customer 
routers.  Have you run into this issue and/or found some workaround?  
I've set a static DHCP lease for the unit out to 365 days, presuming 
that at some point in a year, it will have a software update and 
reboot.  From the users perspective though, the FireTV just shows on the 
screen 'Network Connectivity Lost, Reboot your router, then Contact your 
ISP'

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Jaime Solorza]

Crystal meth show has been done Chuck... Next

On Oct 24, 2016 11:37 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I have something on the cooker.
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 11:17 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>
> nice... when are we going to have a WISP venture there?
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Pretty cool.  One of my favorite shows.
>> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 24,
>> 2016 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
>> Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made two
>> years ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :)
>>
>> It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from
>> nothing to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When
>> we first met her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment
>> and selling them at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is
>> in a 26,000sqft warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes
>> overwhelming, but she makes things happen. :)
>>
>> http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Take one down, put one up.

[Jaime Solorza]

Border patrol use some type of spinning reflector with only sunshine
illumination in day and solar powered lights at night off batteries... I
will try to take picture of one

On Oct 24, 2016 11:05 AM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

> That really depends on locations I would think .. I’m not familiar with US
> based regulations on this but in other countries you sometimes have to put
> lighting and/or paint on under 200ft
>
> Just suggesting that each location a tower goes should be verified as it’s
> awful damn expensive go back later and paint a tower ;)
>
> What’s really funny I recall at previous job is we had a paint a tower
> (190’) before it could be put up … nothing around that tower for probably
> 50 miles .. and we had to put strobe on top too
>
> We put up another 190’ tower that’s on a circular approach path to a
> municipal airport and nothing was required!!  The airport is about 5-6
> miles away...
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2016, at 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I realize at <200 ft it doesn’t need lighting, but what about paint?  I’ve
> noticed an unpainted SSV can be damn near invisible against the sky.
> Hazard for cropdusters.  Also hard to see with binoculars when doing site
> surveys.  I could see putting a strobe on it just for that purpose,
> although they are not cheap.
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 11:44 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Take one down, put one up.
>
>
> I don't like the tip-top of an SSV, too skinny. Which is why the 100' at
> our office is topped with a 4N. And it held up in a tornado. Money well
> spent.
> On 10/24/2016 11:18 AM, Ben Royer wrote:
>
> Yeah, we’ve done it a handful of times now, 190’ is the tallest we’ve done
> in one pick, just used a lot bigger crane .
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>
> *From:* Chuck Hogg 
> *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2016 11:12 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Take one down, put one up.
>
> Made it look easy.  We put up a 160' and were too afraid to do it in one
> pick.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:59 AM, Ben Royer  wrote:
>
> Replaced a 90’ SSV with a 160’ SSV, and upgraded the site from PMP100
> 900Mhz. to 450i 5Ghz. in the process.  Also threw some 820s backhauls in
> there too.  The take down of old tower and installation of new tower only
> took a couple of hours once the crane got there, as we had to move the old
> 900mhz. from one tower to the next.
>
> http://www.benroyer.net/thayer.mp4
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Chuck McCown]

I have something on the cooker.  

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 11:17 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

nice... when are we going to have a WISP venture there? 

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Pretty cool.  One of my favorite shows.  
  -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 24, 
2016 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank 

  Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made two 
years ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :)

  It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from 
nothing to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When we 
first met her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment and 
selling them at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is in a 
26,000sqft warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes overwhelming, 
but she makes things happen. :)

  http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/

  Travis

Re: [AFMUG] dyn attack indicators

[Josh Reynolds]

There's a big discussion that is still ongoing on NANOG. Expected size of
this botnet ranges from 1 million to 1.5 hosts.

Infected worldwide hosts... I saw a number of 50 million today, and the
comment was "this is likely a lowball".

On Oct 24, 2016 12:29 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Supposedly it has been confirmed the attack was from a Mirai botnet.  This
> article has some good info on Mirai, unfortunately it has many attack
> vectors:
> https://www.incapsula.com/blog/malware-analysis-mirai-ddos-botnet.html
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Larry Smith
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 12:15 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] dyn attack indicators
>
> On Mon October 24 2016 11:09, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
> > we are demoing a couple of netflow analysers since thursday, so we
> > have the networks traffic recorded from friday. Does anybody know what
> > specific criteria to look for to identify subscribers who may have been
> involved?
>
> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/massimo_candela/a-quick-look-
> at-the-attack-on-dyn
>
> --
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] dyn attack indicators

[Ken Hohhof]

Supposedly it has been confirmed the attack was from a Mirai botnet.  This 
article has some good info on Mirai, unfortunately it has many attack vectors:
https://www.incapsula.com/blog/malware-analysis-mirai-ddos-botnet.html


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Larry Smith
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 12:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] dyn attack indicators

On Mon October 24 2016 11:09, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
> we are demoing a couple of netflow analysers since thursday, so we 
> have the networks traffic recorded from friday. Does anybody know what 
> specific criteria to look for to identify subscribers who may have been 
> involved?

https://labs.ripe.net/Members/massimo_candela/a-quick-look-at-the-attack-on-dyn

--
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

We could have a WISP-only version of the show called "Sharks with Fricken 
Lasers Tank!"

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Oct 24, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
> nice... when are we going to have a WISP venture there? 
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> Pretty cool.  One of my favorite shows.  
>> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 24, 
>> 2016 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank 
>> Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made two 
>> years ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :)
>> 
>> It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from 
>> nothing to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When we 
>> first met her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment and 
>> selling them at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is in a 
>> 26,000sqft warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes 
>> overwhelming, but she makes things happen. :)
>> 
>> http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/
>> 
>> Travis
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Gino Villarini]

nice... when are we going to have a WISP venture there?

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Pretty cool.  One of my favorite shows.
> -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, October 24,
> 2016 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank
> Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made two
> years ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :)
>
> It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from
> nothing to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When
> we first met her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment
> and selling them at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is
> in a 26,000sqft warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes
> overwhelming, but she makes things happen. :)
>
> http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/
>
> Travis
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Chuck McCown]

Pretty cool.  One of my favorite shows.  

-Original Message- 
From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 10:47 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank 

Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made 
two years ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark 
Tank. :)


It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from 
nothing to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). 
When we first met her, she was building these flower bouquets in her 
apartment and selling them at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ 
employees and she is in a 26,000sqft warehouse/office. Her passion and 
drive is sometimes overwhelming, but she makes things happen. :)


http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] dyn attack indicators

[Larry Smith]

On Mon October 24 2016 11:09, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
> we are demoing a couple of netflow analysers since thursday, so we have the
> networks traffic recorded from friday. Does anybody know what specific
> criteria to look for to identify subscribers who may have been involved?

https://labs.ripe.net/Members/massimo_candela/a-quick-look-at-the-attack-on-dyn

-- 
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net

Re: [AFMUG] dyn attack indicators

[Paul Stewart]

May want to also look at this: 
https://labs.ripe.net/Members/massimo_candela/a-quick-look-at-the-attack-on-dyn 


On Oct 24, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:



> SYN attack …
> 
> 
>> On Oct 24, 2016, at 12:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> we are demoing a couple of netflow analysers since thursday, so we have the 
>> networks traffic recorded from friday. Does anybody know what specific 
>> criteria to look for to identify subscribers who may have been involved?
>> 
>> -- 
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
> 

Re: [AFMUG] dyn attack indicators

[Paul Stewart]

SYN attack …


> On Oct 24, 2016, at 12:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> we are demoing a couple of netflow analysers since thursday, so we have the 
> networks traffic recorded from friday. Does anybody know what specific 
> criteria to look for to identify subscribers who may have been involved?
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Shark Tank

[Paul Stewart]

Very cool and thanks for sharing that!


> On Oct 24, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Well... after four tryouts for Shark Tank, one of my investments made two 
> years ago, Ecoflower, will be on the November 4th episode of Shark Tank. :)
> 
> It has been an amazing two years... watching her grow this company from 
> nothing to a multi-million dollar business (even before Shark Tank). When we 
> first met her, she was building these flower bouquets in her apartment and 
> selling them at farmer's markets. Now she has 60+ employees and she is in a 
> 26,000sqft warehouse/office. Her passion and drive is sometimes overwhelming, 
> but she makes things happen. :)
> 
> http://sharktankblog.com/business/ecoflower/
> 
> Travis
>