Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[Bill Prince]

That's how they collect tolls on the Golden Gate Bridge. Scan license 
plates; you get a bill in the mail. No toll takers.



bp


On 12/4/2016 6:30 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

cameras that read license plates I suppose.

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[Josh Reynolds]

In the capitalist system, without regulation, there is a funnel toward the
very top; the pinnacle. Consolidation after consolidation, an oligarchy -
built on the backs of the masses, with or without their consent.

On Dec 4, 2016 9:04 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> Interesting perspective
> I can see the cord cutting component of consumer demand putting it on the
> purchased service from a provider, but I just cant wrap my head around
> government rebates on "green" tech being a component of pure capitalism
> since it demands that unwilling participants kick into the kitty for
> individuals to gain benefits, that sounds more socialist, even if it only
> benefits those wealthy enough to buy green tech
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> "just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest,
>> efficientest, its always on somebody elses back"
>>
>>  - capitalism
>>
>> Although you could replace from cord cutting to efficientest with
>> "everything" and it would be "samesies"
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2016 5:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> capitalism has no mandate to offset others costs through forcible
>>> taxation that im aware. unless we are talking about the exchange of
>>> responsibilities via voluntary taxation of mileage in exchange for access
>>> to group resources like federal taxes. still not sure id call that strict
>>> capitalism
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You realize what you just described in the strictest sense is called
 capitalism, right?

 On Dec 4, 2016 3:41 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest,
> efficientest, its always on somebody elses back. if its regulation you
> want, its regulation you get...to get any, even a single penny, subsidy 
> for
> "green tech, youre required to come to the dmv twice a yer for an odometer
> reading and tax form for you to pay your taxes. your vehicle has a huge
> environmental liability with the batteries (this should make the climate
> changers cream) so if you dont register a sale of the electric car, and
> dont get your odometer read, then you just get an annual tax bill for
> 250,000 miles
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Brian Webster <
> i...@wirelessmapping.com> wrote:
>
>> Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel cell
>> to either make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the 
>> batteries.
>> Depending on how far you can go just on batteries and how long it takes 
>> to
>> recharge on solar, you could pace your travels to be darn near free 
>> driving.
>>
>> The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now is
>> the road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it as 
>> the
>> gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY state
>> technically if you own an electric car you are supposed to calculate your
>> mileage driven on electric and then enter that on your tax return to
>> calculate how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at a gas
>> pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like they are
>> supposed to report all of their on line purchases that did not have NY
>> state sales taxes collected...
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
>>
>> This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la
>> tesla...
>>   The easiest way to see north america as possible...
>>
>> On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>> > I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go
>> > hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel hybrid
>> electric.
>> > Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. Either
>> > that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn anything, but
>> > it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5 gallons
>> per mile.
>> >
>> > On 12/2/2016 4:49 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Nikola Motor Company reveals hydrogen fuel cell truck with range of
>> >> 1,200 miles -
>> >> http://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016/12/nikola-hydrogen-fuel-c
>> ell-truck
>> >> /
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of 

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Jaime Solorza]

He would raise his right shoulder and boob his head toward shoulder as if
trying to scratch ear with it.Became more noticeable to my then wife
and me but he was totally unaware of it.

On Dec 4, 2016 6:20 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> I play Battlefield 4 once in a while. That's about it. Not really in to
> anything else. I got pretty good at shooting down helicopters with a tank
> and it really pisses off the kids, even the 40 year old ones. It's always,
> 'ur a haxor'. Lul.
>
> On 12/4/2016 6:48 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> the fallout series is my downfall. i love it, i just dont play it until
> all my chores are done and ive accepted i may end up fired if i dont show
> up to work for 4 days
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I enjoy video games, but I prohibit my self from playing them since
>> they're an absolutely terrific waste of time.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2016, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> My life will not be diminished whether I get it or not. I feel fulfilled
>>> without any video games in my life (either me or someone else playing them).
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 12/4/2016 10:24 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
 Think about it this way: it's the first "sport" that has international
 reach outside of soccer. It already has more exposure than baseball,
 football, etc. The only thing it doesn't come close to is FIFA World
 Cup viewership (3.2 Billion in 2014). The barrier to viewership is
 that it only requires internet access to YouTube/Twitch - it's
 viewership growth does not require some expensive/exclusive sports
 Cable package. Baseball, football, boxing, car racing (largely) etc
 are all slowly and painfully dying off. The growth is in MMA and
 eSports.

 Although you "don't get it" (I don't either, largely), the rest of the
 world does. Ignore that at your peril :P

 On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince 
 wrote:

> Despite the amazing popularity, it still does not draw me.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/4/2016 9:47 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> Just to put things into perspective, League of Legends is currently the
> largest competitive scene. The 2015 championships, which was a
> multi-day
> multi-city bracketed event held in several countries, had over 334
> million
> viewers (not counting multiple people watching the same stream). The
> final
> numbers on the 2016 event aren't in yet. Colleges are giving out
> scholarships for this (no joke).
>
> These events sell out places like the Staples center, and world cup
> stadiums. Madison Square Garden may be next year.
>
> On Dec 4, 2016 11:40 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> Fun, fame, and profit.
>>
>> Some of these YouTube streamers bring in over 150k a year in
>> advertising
>> revenue. Most of these are young kids (preteen), some actually
>> teenagers.
>>
>> Twitch streamers can bring in several hundreds of thousands a year in
>> stream donations.
>>
>> My oldest (17/m) doesn't watch traditional TV. He's unfamiliar,
>> largely,
>> with commercials. Sports on TV? No way. He watches Hulu, Netflix, but
>> mainly
>> YouTube/twitch.
>>
>> There's a new eSports bar going up here in KC. I bet they end up with
>> more
>> net profit in the first year than the local Buffalo Wild Wings. Mix
>> of bar
>> w/ pub food, TVs streaming games/championships, and actual PCs/gaming
>> (half-hourly charges).
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2016 10:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>>> I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to
>>> me?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over)
>>> for
>>> a speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I
>>> see he
>>> does for 12 hours straight.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in
>>> advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?
>>> Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get
>>> breaks?
>>>
>>
>
>>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Jaimie,

What does the twitch look like. 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 2:28 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

 

I will... He is limiting his kids time on games... 

 

On Dec 4, 2016 1:15 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

Jaimie that's very interesting...and concerning.  please keep us informed.  I 
wonder if it some really mild form of epilepsy that is triggered by the 
flashing lights and fat changing lights in video games. 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 10:47 AM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

my son developed a nervous twitch when he played Nintendo as a kid..  .I put 
station away for years and it went away.   Now as a father of four, he started 
to play with them on PS... Twitch came back so he stopped.Watching his kids 
for symptoms. 

 

On Dec 4, 2016 9:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?

 

I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for a 
speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see he does 
for 12 hours straight.

 

What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in advertising 
money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?

 

And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?  Astronaut 
diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get breaks?

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

In Jr high I needed hydrogen for a plant experiment I was doing, the
electrolysis method was too slow so I used zinc oxide from non alkaline AA
batteries. Is zinc still a thing in battery production? That could be a
good secondary market for battery recyclers. I used hydrocloric acid
because i had it, but sulfuric would have been more efficient, so the sla
recycling could be combined with the other battery recycling to generate
hydrogen. my method created a shit ton of toxic byproduct I had to
disappear, but i assume that could be addressed at scale

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 9:04 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting perspective
> I can see the cord cutting component of consumer demand putting it on the
> purchased service from a provider, but I just cant wrap my head around
> government rebates on "green" tech being a component of pure capitalism
> since it demands that unwilling participants kick into the kitty for
> individuals to gain benefits, that sounds more socialist, even if it only
> benefits those wealthy enough to buy green tech
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> "just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest,
>> efficientest, its always on somebody elses back"
>>
>>  - capitalism
>>
>> Although you could replace from cord cutting to efficientest with
>> "everything" and it would be "samesies"
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2016 5:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> capitalism has no mandate to offset others costs through forcible
>>> taxation that im aware. unless we are talking about the exchange of
>>> responsibilities via voluntary taxation of mileage in exchange for access
>>> to group resources like federal taxes. still not sure id call that strict
>>> capitalism
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You realize what you just described in the strictest sense is called
 capitalism, right?

 On Dec 4, 2016 3:41 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest,
> efficientest, its always on somebody elses back. if its regulation you
> want, its regulation you get...to get any, even a single penny, subsidy 
> for
> "green tech, youre required to come to the dmv twice a yer for an odometer
> reading and tax form for you to pay your taxes. your vehicle has a huge
> environmental liability with the batteries (this should make the climate
> changers cream) so if you dont register a sale of the electric car, and
> dont get your odometer read, then you just get an annual tax bill for
> 250,000 miles
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Brian Webster <
> i...@wirelessmapping.com> wrote:
>
>> Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel cell
>> to either make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the 
>> batteries.
>> Depending on how far you can go just on batteries and how long it takes 
>> to
>> recharge on solar, you could pace your travels to be darn near free 
>> driving.
>>
>> The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now is
>> the road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it as 
>> the
>> gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY state
>> technically if you own an electric car you are supposed to calculate your
>> mileage driven on electric and then enter that on your tax return to
>> calculate how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at a gas
>> pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like they are
>> supposed to report all of their on line purchases that did not have NY
>> state sales taxes collected...
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
>>
>> This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la
>> tesla...
>>   The easiest way to see north america as possible...
>>
>> On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>> > I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go
>> > hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel hybrid
>> electric.
>> > Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. Either
>> > that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn anything, but
>> > it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5 gallons
>> per mile.
>> >
>> > On 12/2/2016 4:49 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> >>
>> >> 

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Interesting perspective
I can see the cord cutting component of consumer demand putting it on the
purchased service from a provider, but I just cant wrap my head around
government rebates on "green" tech being a component of pure capitalism
since it demands that unwilling participants kick into the kitty for
individuals to gain benefits, that sounds more socialist, even if it only
benefits those wealthy enough to buy green tech

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 8:26 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> "just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest,
> efficientest, its always on somebody elses back"
>
>  - capitalism
>
> Although you could replace from cord cutting to efficientest with
> "everything" and it would be "samesies"
>
> On Dec 4, 2016 5:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
>
>> capitalism has no mandate to offset others costs through forcible
>> taxation that im aware. unless we are talking about the exchange of
>> responsibilities via voluntary taxation of mileage in exchange for access
>> to group resources like federal taxes. still not sure id call that strict
>> capitalism
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You realize what you just described in the strictest sense is called
>>> capitalism, right?
>>>
>>> On Dec 4, 2016 3:41 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest,
 efficientest, its always on somebody elses back. if its regulation you
 want, its regulation you get...to get any, even a single penny, subsidy for
 "green tech, youre required to come to the dmv twice a yer for an odometer
 reading and tax form for you to pay your taxes. your vehicle has a huge
 environmental liability with the batteries (this should make the climate
 changers cream) so if you dont register a sale of the electric car, and
 dont get your odometer read, then you just get an annual tax bill for
 250,000 miles

 On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Brian Webster  wrote:

> Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel cell
> to either make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the 
> batteries.
> Depending on how far you can go just on batteries and how long it takes to
> recharge on solar, you could pace your travels to be darn near free 
> driving.
>
> The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now is
> the road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it as the
> gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY state
> technically if you own an electric car you are supposed to calculate your
> mileage driven on electric and then enter that on your tax return to
> calculate how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at a gas
> pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like they are
> supposed to report all of their on line purchases that did not have NY
> state sales taxes collected...
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
>
> This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la
> tesla...
>   The easiest way to see north america as possible...
>
> On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote:
> > I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go
> > hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel hybrid
> electric.
> > Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. Either
> > that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn anything, but
> > it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5 gallons
> per mile.
> >
> > On 12/2/2016 4:49 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> >>
> >> Nikola Motor Company reveals hydrogen fuel cell truck with range of
> >> 1,200 miles -
> >> http://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016/12/nikola-hydrogen-fuel-c
> ell-truck
> >> /
> >>
> >
>
>


 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[Jason McKemie]

It was my understanding that increased nuclear power production was
supposed to be what brought the price of hydrogen down to the point where
it was a viable mainstream fuel source.

On Sunday, December 4, 2016, Robert  wrote:

> Almost, most hydrogen is produced in the break down of the rod cladding
> under excessive heat.   Not a good thing...   When it happens it means that
> something in your process is not going to spec..
>
> On 12/4/16 12:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> IIRC, isn't hydrogen a byproduct of the nuclear generation process?
>> Can't they capture that?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> > telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> > com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 4, 2016 2:15:30 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
>>
>> tarts or farts?
>>
>> If you can reform the methane into hydrogen for the fuel cell it would
>> work, but why not just use an internal combustion engine retrofitted for
>> CNG.
>> I am guessing that electricity to hydrogen back to electricity is cycle
>> they are trying to promote here.
>> Personally I prefer solar to electricity to an electric car, by passing
>> the whole hydrogen thing.  Not sure storing energy in hydrogen is all
>> the beneficial of the hydrogen was originally derived from coal and
>> natural gas.
>>
>> Now if it was nuclear – electricity – hydrogen – electricity, then we
>> are cookin’ with gas.
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 04, 2016 1:11 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
>>
>>
>> Why not just run the motor home off of methane?  There are lots of old
>> darts driving them right?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 2:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> But they use the roads so gently...
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bill Prince
>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 12:10 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
>>
>> That is already a big issue in CA. There are no simple solutions to
>> this
>> dilemma. There is no question that electric cars use the roads. The
>> fact
>> that they escape paying for the roads is problem we're going to have
>> to
>> solve some way.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 12/4/2016 11:05 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
>> > Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel
>> cell to
>> > either make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the
>> batteries.
>> > Depending on how far you can go just on batteries and how long it
>> takes to
>> > recharge on solar, you could pace your travels to be darn near free
>> > driving.
>> >
>> > The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now
>> is the
>> > road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it as
>> the
>> > gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY
>> state
>> > technically if you own an electric car you are supposed to
>> calculate your
>> > mileage driven on electric and then enter that on your tax return to
>> > calculate how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at a
>> gas
>> > pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like
>> they are
>> > supposed to report all of their on line purchases that did not have
>> NY
>> > state sales taxes collected...
>> >
>> > Thank You,
>> > Brian Webster
>> > www.wirelessmapping.com 
>> > www.Broadband-Mapping.com 
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>> > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
>> >
>> > This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la
>> tesla...
>> >The easiest way to see north america as possible...
>> >
>> > On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>> >> I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go
>> >> hybrid 

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[Robert]

Specially when there is no power to activate the sparkers in the ceiling...

On 12/4/16 6:05 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yep, that is what blows up the reactors.  Lose cooling, make hydrogen,
boom.

-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 6:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

Almost, most hydrogen is produced in the break down of the rod cladding
under excessive heat.   Not a good thing...   When it happens it means
that something in your process is not going to spec..

On 12/4/16 12:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

IIRC, isn't hydrogen a byproduct of the nuclear generation process?
Can't they capture that?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Chuck McCown" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, December 4, 2016 2:15:30 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

tarts or farts?

If you can reform the methane into hydrogen for the fuel cell it would
work, but why not just use an internal combustion engine retrofitted for
CNG.
I am guessing that electricity to hydrogen back to electricity is cycle
they are trying to promote here.
Personally I prefer solar to electricity to an electric car, by passing
the whole hydrogen thing.  Not sure storing energy in hydrogen is all
the beneficial of the hydrogen was originally derived from coal and
natural gas.

Now if it was nuclear – electricity – hydrogen – electricity, then we
are cookin’ with gas.

*From:* Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Sunday, December 04, 2016 1:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen


Why not just run the motor home off of methane?  There are lots of old
darts driving them right?


On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 2:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

But they use the roads so gently...

-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 12:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

That is already a big issue in CA. There are no simple solutions
to this
dilemma. There is no question that electric cars use the roads.
The fact
that they escape paying for the roads is problem we're going to
have to
solve some way.


bp


On 12/4/2016 11:05 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
> Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel
cell to
> either make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the
batteries.
> Depending on how far you can go just on batteries and how long it
takes to
> recharge on solar, you could pace your travels to be darn near free
> driving.
>
> The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now
is the
> road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it
as the
> gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY
state
> technically if you own an electric car you are supposed to
calculate your
> mileage driven on electric and then enter that on your tax
return to
> calculate how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at
a gas
> pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like
they are
> supposed to report all of their on line purchases that did not
have NY
> state sales taxes collected...
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com 
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com 
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
>
> This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la
tesla...
>The easiest way to see north america as possible...
>
> On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>> I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go
>> hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel hybrid
>> electric.
>> Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. Either
>> that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn
anything, but
>> it would 

Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t working"

[Adam Moffett]

I text my friends.

In business I prefer an email or a phone call.


-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/4/2016 9:33:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; 
t working"



I prefer texts to calls, actually.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 





From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 7:21:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet 
isn;t working"


this isnt about the texting, but about the gall of customers, like the 
ones who text. Just got a voicemail from this broad who pays late every 
month and begs to not be shut off. She calls us on a sunday, knowing 
full well we are closed, and says she wants to be allowed to pay 
wednesday and not be shut off before then... and if that wont work to 
call her before we shut her off.  Seriously, these people like this 
irritate me, they know down to the day when our grace period expires, 
so they know when their bill is due. Leaving a demand call of what 
equates to "either extend my grace or dont shut me off without calling" 
the unsaid is, "I know you dont accept cash, but im going to pay cash, 
and I know this because you have a policy of not letting people be 
monthly without an autopay on file and I do that anyway too."
If powercode didnt log who did things, Id put her in delinquent right 
now, since she technically is.


same goes with the texts from customers when thats not a recognized 
form of communication. Next they will be sending up smoke signals


On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
ServerPlus memorizes that stuff. Once they look up the account once, 
it matches that number to the account going forward.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 





From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 2:21:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet 
isn;t working"


All that sounds wonderful, when can you start development?



I think the frustrating part is most of these texts are along the 
lines of “is the tower down” or “my Internet is down”, with no other 
information than a cellphone number, which is probably not the contact 
number in our database.  If they would just include the account name, 
I would get on the computer  and do some tests before texting them 
back.  But usually I have to first text them back for more 
information.  Maybe a robot could check the customer database, tell me 
the customer name, and if not found, text the customer back “Who is 
this?”




At that point I usually prefer to call them, because it can take 50 
back-and-forth texts just to get someone to check if the POE is 
plugged in.




If they have a smartphone, they can go to our website.  Maybe we need 
troubleshooting instructions, maybe YouTube videos, on our website.  
Text them a link to that?






From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 1:30 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet 
isn; t working"




You know all annoyances aside; there is an opportunity for a product 
to be developed. Think about it:




Your customer is off line, they likely have a cell phone that they can 
use to get in touch with you.


They call your tech support line, this requires you to either call 
them back and devote 100% of your time at the moment to talk to them 
one on one, or you answer the call directly immediately, no matter 
what else you might have to do and you can’t do much 

Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t working"

[Mike Hammett]

I prefer texts to calls, actually. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 7:21:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t 
working" 


this isnt about the texting, but about the gall of customers, like the ones who 
text. Just got a voicemail from this broad who pays late every month and begs 
to not be shut off. She calls us on a sunday, knowing full well we are closed, 
and says she wants to be allowed to pay wednesday and not be shut off before 
then... and if that wont work to call her before we shut her off. Seriously, 
these people like this irritate me, they know down to the day when our grace 
period expires, so they know when their bill is due. Leaving a demand call of 
what equates to "either extend my grace or dont shut me off without calling" 
the unsaid is, "I know you dont accept cash, but im going to pay cash, and I 
know this because you have a policy of not letting people be monthly without an 
autopay on file and I do that anyway too." 
If powercode didnt log who did things, Id put her in delinquent right now, 
since she technically is. 


same goes with the texts from customers when thats not a recognized form of 
communication. Next they will be sending up smoke signals 


On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




ServerPlus memorizes that stuff. Once they look up the account once, it matches 
that number to the account going forward. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 2:21:20 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t 
working" 



All that sounds wonderful, when can you start development? 

I think the frustrating part is most of these texts are along the lines of “is 
the tower down” or “my Internet is down”, with no other information than a 
cellphone number, which is probably not the contact number in our database. If 
they would just include the account name, I would get on the computer and do 
some tests before texting them back. But usually I have to first text them back 
for more information. Maybe a robot could check the customer database, tell me 
the customer name, and if not found, text the customer back “Who is this?” 

At that point I usually prefer to call them, because it can take 50 
back-and-forth texts just to get someone to check if the POE is plugged in. 

If they have a smartphone, they can go to our website. Maybe we need 
troubleshooting instructions, maybe YouTube videos, on our website. Text them a 
link to that? 




From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Brian Webster 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 1:30 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t 
working" 



You know all annoyances aside; there is an opportunity for a product to be 
developed. Think about it: 

Your customer is off line, they likely have a cell phone that they can use to 
get in touch with you. 
They call your tech support line, this requires you to either call them back 
and devote 100% of your time at the moment to talk to them one on one, or you 
answer the call directly immediately, no matter what else you might have to do 
and you can’t do much of anything else. 
If you can text back and forth you would not have to sit there on the phone and 
wait while they do things like reboot and such. 
On a dedicated phone call this only lets you service one customer at a time. 
If you had the equivalent of the on line chat support many companies have, it 
could also function through the SMS system, it’s one way the newer tech savvy 
customer can interact with you and they can also do something else at the same 
time in between steps. 
If you had a good SMS system it would start a ticket just like an on line 
ticketing system would. Texting prompts back and forth for customer name and 
account information if necessary. This part would be automated and all keyed up 
to you prior to you getting the first live text/email/ticket notification or on 
screen system messages. 
This would not have to go to YOUR cell phone but rather it would go to your 
ticketing system and get handled just like any other ticket and tech support 
network. 
It gives the client the convenience of getting support via SMS should they 
chose. 
You could easily have pre-canned help files sent as basic troubleshooting steps 
they can perform first without needing direct interaction. Reboot sequence or 
how to request their Wi-Fi password information come to mind here. If done 
right it could prompt them to text back a response at each step, much like a 
troubleshooting decision 

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[Adam Moffett]

I drove on the 407 Express Toll Road near Toronto and was wondering the 
whole time why the "toll road" had no toll booths.  They mailed a bill 
to me at my home address in New York.  So apparently GPS isn't necessary 
and they can already track you somehowcameras that read license 
plates I suppose.





Hopefully not by mandatory vehicle GPS tracking. But probably.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[Josh Reynolds]

"just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest, efficientest,
its always on somebody elses back"

 - capitalism

Although you could replace from cord cutting to efficientest with
"everything" and it would be "samesies"

On Dec 4, 2016 5:53 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> capitalism has no mandate to offset others costs through forcible taxation
> that im aware. unless we are talking about the exchange of responsibilities
> via voluntary taxation of mileage in exchange for access to group resources
> like federal taxes. still not sure id call that strict capitalism
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> You realize what you just described in the strictest sense is called
>> capitalism, right?
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2016 3:41 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest,
>>> efficientest, its always on somebody elses back. if its regulation you
>>> want, its regulation you get...to get any, even a single penny, subsidy for
>>> "green tech, youre required to come to the dmv twice a yer for an odometer
>>> reading and tax form for you to pay your taxes. your vehicle has a huge
>>> environmental liability with the batteries (this should make the climate
>>> changers cream) so if you dont register a sale of the electric car, and
>>> dont get your odometer read, then you just get an annual tax bill for
>>> 250,000 miles
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Brian Webster 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel cell to
 either make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the batteries.
 Depending on how far you can go just on batteries and how long it takes to
 recharge on solar, you could pace your travels to be darn near free 
 driving.

 The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now is the
 road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it as the
 gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY state
 technically if you own an electric car you are supposed to calculate your
 mileage driven on electric and then enter that on your tax return to
 calculate how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at a gas
 pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like they are
 supposed to report all of their on line purchases that did not have NY
 state sales taxes collected...

 Thank You,
 Brian Webster
 www.wirelessmapping.com
 www.Broadband-Mapping.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
 Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

 This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la tesla...
   The easiest way to see north america as possible...

 On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote:
 > I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go
 > hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel hybrid
 electric.
 > Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. Either
 > that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn anything, but
 > it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5 gallons per
 mile.
 >
 > On 12/2/2016 4:49 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 >>
 >> Nikola Motor Company reveals hydrogen fuel cell truck with range of
 >> 1,200 miles -
 >> http://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016/12/nikola-hydrogen-fuel-c
 ell-truck
 >> /
 >>
 >


>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t working"

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i never thought about that one when they do it, I should call them back
right away

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> How about the ones that call when they assume you’re closed and leave a
> message that they were trying to pay their bill by phone (like at 2am).
> You can really mess them up by answering the phone, since they didn’t
> intend to actually pay.  That could be the best part of outsourcing after
> hours support.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 4, 2016 7:21 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet
> isn; t working"
>
>
>
> this isnt about the texting, but about the gall of customers, like the
> ones who text. Just got a voicemail from this broad who pays late every
> month and begs to not be shut off. She calls us on a sunday, knowing full
> well we are closed, and says she wants to be allowed to pay wednesday and
> not be shut off before then... and if that wont work to call her before we
> shut her off.  Seriously, these people like this irritate me, they know
> down to the day when our grace period expires, so they know when their bill
> is due. Leaving a demand call of what equates to "either extend my grace or
> dont shut me off without calling" the unsaid is, "I know you dont accept
> cash, but im going to pay cash, and I know this because you have a policy
> of not letting people be monthly without an autopay on file and I do that
> anyway too."
>
> If powercode didnt log who did things, Id put her in delinquent right now,
> since she technically is.
>
>
>
> same goes with the texts from customers when thats not a recognized form
> of communication. Next they will be sending up smoke signals
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> ServerPlus memorizes that stuff. Once they look up the account once, it
> matches that number to the account going forward.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, December 4, 2016 2:21:20 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet
> isn;t working"
>
> All that sounds wonderful, when can you start development?
>
>
>
> I think the frustrating part is most of these texts are along the lines of
> “is the tower down” or “my Internet is down”, with no other information
> than a cellphone number, which is probably not the contact number in our
> database.  If they would just include the account name, I would get on the
> computer  and do some tests before texting them back.  But usually I have
> to first text them back for more information.  Maybe a robot could check
> the customer database, tell me the customer name, and if not found, text
> the customer back “Who is this?”
>
>
>
> At that point I usually prefer to call them, because it can take 50
> back-and-forth texts just to get someone to check if the POE is plugged in.
>
>
>
> If they have a smartphone, they can go to our website.  Maybe we need
> troubleshooting instructions, maybe YouTube videos, on our website.  Text
> them a link to that?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 4, 2016 1:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet
> isn; t working"
>
>
>
> You know all annoyances aside; there is an opportunity for a product to be
> developed. Think about it:
>
>
>
> Your customer is off line, they likely have a cell phone that they can use
> to get in touch with you.
>
> They call your tech support line, this requires you to either call them
> back and devote 100% of your time at the moment to talk to them one on one,
> or you answer the call directly immediately, no matter what else you might
> have to do and you can’t do much of anything else.
>
> If you can text back and forth you would not have to sit there on the
> phone and wait while they do things like reboot and such.
>
> On a dedicated phone call this only lets you service one customer at a
> time.
>
> If you had the equivalent of the on line chat support many companies have,
> it could also function through the SMS system, it’s one way the newer tech
> savvy 

Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t working"

[Ken Hohhof]

How about the ones that call when they assume you’re closed and leave a message 
that they were trying to pay their bill by phone (like at 2am).  You can really 
mess them up by answering the phone, since they didn’t intend to actually pay.  
That could be the best part of outsourcing after hours support.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 7:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t 
working"

 

this isnt about the texting, but about the gall of customers, like the ones who 
text. Just got a voicemail from this broad who pays late every month and begs 
to not be shut off. She calls us on a sunday, knowing full well we are closed, 
and says she wants to be allowed to pay wednesday and not be shut off before 
then... and if that wont work to call her before we shut her off.  Seriously, 
these people like this irritate me, they know down to the day when our grace 
period expires, so they know when their bill is due. Leaving a demand call of 
what equates to "either extend my grace or dont shut me off without calling" 
the unsaid is, "I know you dont accept cash, but im going to pay cash, and I 
know this because you have a policy of not letting people be monthly without an 
autopay on file and I do that anyway too."

If powercode didnt log who did things, Id put her in delinquent right now, 
since she technically is.

 

same goes with the texts from customers when thats not a recognized form of 
communication. Next they will be sending up smoke signals

 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Mike Hammett  > wrote:

ServerPlus memorizes that stuff. Once they look up the account once, it matches 
that number to the account going forward.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Ken Hohhof"  >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 2:21:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn;
t working"

All that sounds wonderful, when can you start development?

 

I think the frustrating part is most of these texts are along the lines of “is 
the tower down” or “my Internet is down”, with no other information than a 
cellphone number, which is probably not the contact number in our database.  If 
they would just include the account name, I would get on the computer  and do 
some tests before texting them back.  But usually I have to first text them 
back for more information.  Maybe a robot could check the customer database, 
tell me the customer name, and if not found, text the customer back “Who is 
this?”

 

At that point I usually prefer to call them, because it can take 50 
back-and-forth texts just to get someone to check if the POE is plugged in.

 

If they have a smartphone, they can go to our website.  Maybe we need 
troubleshooting instructions, maybe YouTube videos, on our website.  Text them 
a link to that?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Brian Webster
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 1:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t 
working"

 

You know all annoyances aside; there is an opportunity for a product to be 
developed. Think about it:

 

Your customer is off line, they likely have a cell phone that they can use to 
get in touch with you. 

They call your tech support line, this requires you to either call them back 
and devote 100% of your time at the moment to talk to them one on one, or you 
answer the call directly immediately, no matter what else you might have to do 
and you can’t do much of anything else.

If you can text back and forth you would not have to sit there on the phone and 
wait while they do things like reboot and such.

On a dedicated phone call this only lets you service one customer at a time.

If you had the equivalent of the on line chat support many companies have, it 
could also function through the SMS system, it’s one way the newer tech savvy 
customer can interact with you and they can also do something else at the same 
time in between steps.

If you had a good SMS system it would start a ticket just like an on line 
ticketing system would. Texting 

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[Chuck McCown]

Yep, that is what blows up the reactors.  Lose cooling, make hydrogen, boom.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert

Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 6:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

Almost, most hydrogen is produced in the break down of the rod cladding
under excessive heat.   Not a good thing...   When it happens it means
that something in your process is not going to spec..

On 12/4/16 12:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

IIRC, isn't hydrogen a byproduct of the nuclear generation process?
Can't they capture that?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Chuck McCown" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, December 4, 2016 2:15:30 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

tarts or farts?

If you can reform the methane into hydrogen for the fuel cell it would
work, but why not just use an internal combustion engine retrofitted for
CNG.
I am guessing that electricity to hydrogen back to electricity is cycle
they are trying to promote here.
Personally I prefer solar to electricity to an electric car, by passing
the whole hydrogen thing.  Not sure storing energy in hydrogen is all
the beneficial of the hydrogen was originally derived from coal and
natural gas.

Now if it was nuclear – electricity – hydrogen – electricity, then we
are cookin’ with gas.

*From:* Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Sunday, December 04, 2016 1:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen


Why not just run the motor home off of methane?  There are lots of old
darts driving them right?


On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 2:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

But they use the roads so gently...

-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 12:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

That is already a big issue in CA. There are no simple solutions to 
this
dilemma. There is no question that electric cars use the roads. The 
fact
that they escape paying for the roads is problem we're going to have 
to

solve some way.


bp


On 12/4/2016 11:05 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
> Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel
cell to
> either make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the
batteries.
> Depending on how far you can go just on batteries and how long it
takes to
> recharge on solar, you could pace your travels to be darn near free
> driving.
>
> The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now
is the
> road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it as 
the

> gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY
state
> technically if you own an electric car you are supposed to
calculate your
> mileage driven on electric and then enter that on your tax return to
> calculate how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at a 
gas

> pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like
they are
> supposed to report all of their on line purchases that did not have 
NY

> state sales taxes collected...
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com 
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com 
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
>
> This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la
tesla...
>The easiest way to see north america as possible...
>
> On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>> I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go
>> hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel hybrid
>> electric.
>> Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. Either
>> that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn anything, 
but
>> it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5 gallons 
per

>> mile.
>>
>> On 12/2/2016 4:49 

Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t working"

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

this isnt about the texting, but about the gall of customers, like the ones
who text. Just got a voicemail from this broad who pays late every month
and begs to not be shut off. She calls us on a sunday, knowing full well we
are closed, and says she wants to be allowed to pay wednesday and not be
shut off before then... and if that wont work to call her before we shut
her off.  Seriously, these people like this irritate me, they know down to
the day when our grace period expires, so they know when their bill is due.
Leaving a demand call of what equates to "either extend my grace or dont
shut me off without calling" the unsaid is, "I know you dont accept cash,
but im going to pay cash, and I know this because you have a policy of not
letting people be monthly without an autopay on file and I do that anyway
too."
If powercode didnt log who did things, Id put her in delinquent right now,
since she technically is.

same goes with the texts from customers when thats not a recognized form of
communication. Next they will be sending up smoke signals

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> ServerPlus memorizes that stuff. Once they look up the account once, it
> matches that number to the account going forward.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, December 4, 2016 2:21:20 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet
> isn;t working"
>
> All that sounds wonderful, when can you start development?
>
>
>
> I think the frustrating part is most of these texts are along the lines of
> “is the tower down” or “my Internet is down”, with no other information
> than a cellphone number, which is probably not the contact number in our
> database.  If they would just include the account name, I would get on the
> computer  and do some tests before texting them back.  But usually I have
> to first text them back for more information.  Maybe a robot could check
> the customer database, tell me the customer name, and if not found, text
> the customer back “Who is this?”
>
>
>
> At that point I usually prefer to call them, because it can take 50
> back-and-forth texts just to get someone to check if the POE is plugged in.
>
>
>
> If they have a smartphone, they can go to our website.  Maybe we need
> troubleshooting instructions, maybe YouTube videos, on our website.  Text
> them a link to that?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 4, 2016 1:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet
> isn; t working"
>
>
>
> You know all annoyances aside; there is an opportunity for a product to be
> developed. Think about it:
>
>
>
> Your customer is off line, they likely have a cell phone that they can use
> to get in touch with you.
>
> They call your tech support line, this requires you to either call them
> back and devote 100% of your time at the moment to talk to them one on one,
> or you answer the call directly immediately, no matter what else you might
> have to do and you can’t do much of anything else.
>
> If you can text back and forth you would not have to sit there on the
> phone and wait while they do things like reboot and such.
>
> On a dedicated phone call this only lets you service one customer at a
> time.
>
> If you had the equivalent of the on line chat support many companies have,
> it could also function through the SMS system, it’s one way the newer tech
> savvy customer can interact with you and they can also do something else at
> the same time in between steps.
>
> If you had a good SMS system it would start a ticket just like an on line
> ticketing system would. Texting prompts back and forth for customer name
> and account information if necessary. This part would be automated and all
> keyed up to you prior to you getting the first live text/email/ticket
> notification or on screen system messages.
>
> This would not have to go to YOUR cell phone but rather it would go to
> your ticketing system and get handled just like any other ticket and tech
> support network.
>
> It gives the client the convenience of getting support via SMS should they
> chose.
>
> You could easily have pre-canned help files sent as basic 

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[George Skorup]

I play Battlefield 4 once in a while. That's about it. Not really in to 
anything else. I got pretty good at shooting down helicopters with a 
tank and it really pisses off the kids, even the 40 year old ones. It's 
always, 'ur a haxor'. Lul.


On 12/4/2016 6:48 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
the fallout series is my downfall. i love it, i just dont play it 
until all my chores are done and ive accepted i may end up fired if i 
dont show up to work for 4 days


On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Jason McKemie 
> wrote:


I enjoy video games, but I prohibit my self from playing them
since they're an absolutely terrific waste of time.

On Sunday, December 4, 2016, Bill Prince > wrote:

My life will not be diminished whether I get it or not. I feel
fulfilled without any video games in my life (either me or
someone else playing them).


bp


On 12/4/2016 10:24 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Think about it this way: it's the first "sport" that has
international
reach outside of soccer. It already has more exposure than
baseball,
football, etc. The only thing it doesn't come close to is
FIFA World
Cup viewership (3.2 Billion in 2014). The barrier to
viewership is
that it only requires internet access to YouTube/Twitch - it's
viewership growth does not require some
expensive/exclusive sports
Cable package. Baseball, football, boxing, car racing
(largely) etc
are all slowly and painfully dying off. The growth is in
MMA and
eSports.

Although you "don't get it" (I don't either, largely), the
rest of the
world does. Ignore that at your peril :P

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince
 wrote:

Despite the amazing popularity, it still does not draw me.


bp


On 12/4/2016 9:47 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Just to put things into perspective, League of Legends
is currently the
largest competitive scene. The 2015 championships,
which was a multi-day
multi-city bracketed event held in several countries,
had over 334 million
viewers (not counting multiple people watching the
same stream). The final
numbers on the 2016 event aren't in yet. Colleges are
giving out
scholarships for this (no joke).

These events sell out places like the Staples center,
and world cup
stadiums. Madison Square Garden may be next year.

On Dec 4, 2016 11:40 AM, "Josh Reynolds"
 wrote:

Fun, fame, and profit.

Some of these YouTube streamers bring in over 150k
a year in advertising
revenue. Most of these are young kids (preteen),
some actually teenagers.

Twitch streamers can bring in several hundreds of
thousands a year in
stream donations.

My oldest (17/m) doesn't watch traditional TV.
He's unfamiliar, largely,
with commercials. Sports on TV? No way. He watches
Hulu, Netflix, but mainly
YouTube/twitch.

There's a new eSports bar going up here in KC. I
bet they end up with more
net profit in the first year than the local
Buffalo Wild Wings. Mix of bar
w/ pub food, TVs streaming games/championships,
and actual PCs/gaming
(half-hourly charges).

On Dec 4, 2016 10:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"
 wrote:

I was born without the gaming gene, so can
someone explain Twitch to me?



I have a customer spending a lot of money (now
that harvest is over) for
a speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can
broadcast.  Which I see he
does for 12 hours straight.



What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?
Does this bring in
advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?



And how does someone stream their game play
 

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[Robert]

Almost, most hydrogen is produced in the break down of the rod cladding 
under excessive heat.   Not a good thing...   When it happens it means 
that something in your process is not going to spec..


On 12/4/16 12:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

IIRC, isn't hydrogen a byproduct of the nuclear generation process?
Can't they capture that?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Chuck McCown" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, December 4, 2016 2:15:30 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

tarts or farts?

If you can reform the methane into hydrogen for the fuel cell it would
work, but why not just use an internal combustion engine retrofitted for
CNG.
I am guessing that electricity to hydrogen back to electricity is cycle
they are trying to promote here.
Personally I prefer solar to electricity to an electric car, by passing
the whole hydrogen thing.  Not sure storing energy in hydrogen is all
the beneficial of the hydrogen was originally derived from coal and
natural gas.

Now if it was nuclear – electricity – hydrogen – electricity, then we
are cookin’ with gas.

*From:* Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Sunday, December 04, 2016 1:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen


Why not just run the motor home off of methane?  There are lots of old
darts driving them right?


On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 2:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

But they use the roads so gently...

-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 12:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

That is already a big issue in CA. There are no simple solutions to this
dilemma. There is no question that electric cars use the roads. The fact
that they escape paying for the roads is problem we're going to have to
solve some way.


bp


On 12/4/2016 11:05 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
> Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel
cell to
> either make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the
batteries.
> Depending on how far you can go just on batteries and how long it
takes to
> recharge on solar, you could pace your travels to be darn near free
> driving.
>
> The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now
is the
> road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it as the
> gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY
state
> technically if you own an electric car you are supposed to
calculate your
> mileage driven on electric and then enter that on your tax return to
> calculate how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at a gas
> pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like
they are
> supposed to report all of their on line purchases that did not have NY
> state sales taxes collected...
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com 
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com 
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
>
> This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la
tesla...
>The easiest way to see north america as possible...
>
> On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>> I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go
>> hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel hybrid
>> electric.
>> Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. Either
>> that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn anything, but
>> it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5 gallons per
>> mile.
>>
>> On 12/2/2016 4:49 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>> Nikola Motor Company reveals hydrogen fuel cell truck with range of
>>> 1,200 miles -
>>>
http://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016/12/nikola-hydrogen-fuel-cell-truck
>>> /
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

the fallout series is my downfall. i love it, i just dont play it until all
my chores are done and ive accepted i may end up fired if i dont show up to
work for 4 days

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 6:40 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I enjoy video games, but I prohibit my self from playing them since
> they're an absolutely terrific waste of time.
>
> On Sunday, December 4, 2016, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> My life will not be diminished whether I get it or not. I feel fulfilled
>> without any video games in my life (either me or someone else playing them).
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 12/4/2016 10:24 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>>> Think about it this way: it's the first "sport" that has international
>>> reach outside of soccer. It already has more exposure than baseball,
>>> football, etc. The only thing it doesn't come close to is FIFA World
>>> Cup viewership (3.2 Billion in 2014). The barrier to viewership is
>>> that it only requires internet access to YouTube/Twitch - it's
>>> viewership growth does not require some expensive/exclusive sports
>>> Cable package. Baseball, football, boxing, car racing (largely) etc
>>> are all slowly and painfully dying off. The growth is in MMA and
>>> eSports.
>>>
>>> Although you "don't get it" (I don't either, largely), the rest of the
>>> world does. Ignore that at your peril :P
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Despite the amazing popularity, it still does not draw me.


 bp
 

 On 12/4/2016 9:47 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

 Just to put things into perspective, League of Legends is currently the
 largest competitive scene. The 2015 championships, which was a multi-day
 multi-city bracketed event held in several countries, had over 334
 million
 viewers (not counting multiple people watching the same stream). The
 final
 numbers on the 2016 event aren't in yet. Colleges are giving out
 scholarships for this (no joke).

 These events sell out places like the Staples center, and world cup
 stadiums. Madison Square Garden may be next year.

 On Dec 4, 2016 11:40 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Fun, fame, and profit.
>
> Some of these YouTube streamers bring in over 150k a year in
> advertising
> revenue. Most of these are young kids (preteen), some actually
> teenagers.
>
> Twitch streamers can bring in several hundreds of thousands a year in
> stream donations.
>
> My oldest (17/m) doesn't watch traditional TV. He's unfamiliar,
> largely,
> with commercials. Sports on TV? No way. He watches Hulu, Netflix, but
> mainly
> YouTube/twitch.
>
> There's a new eSports bar going up here in KC. I bet they end up with
> more
> net profit in the first year than the local Buffalo Wild Wings. Mix of
> bar
> w/ pub food, TVs streaming games/championships, and actual PCs/gaming
> (half-hourly charges).
>
> On Dec 4, 2016 10:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to
>> me?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over)
>> for
>> a speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I
>> see he
>> does for 12 hours straight.
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in
>> advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?
>>
>>
>>
>> And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?
>> Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get
>> breaks?
>>
>

>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Jason McKemie]

I enjoy video games, but I prohibit my self from playing them since they're
an absolutely terrific waste of time.

On Sunday, December 4, 2016, Bill Prince  wrote:

> My life will not be diminished whether I get it or not. I feel fulfilled
> without any video games in my life (either me or someone else playing them).
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/4/2016 10:24 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
>> Think about it this way: it's the first "sport" that has international
>> reach outside of soccer. It already has more exposure than baseball,
>> football, etc. The only thing it doesn't come close to is FIFA World
>> Cup viewership (3.2 Billion in 2014). The barrier to viewership is
>> that it only requires internet access to YouTube/Twitch - it's
>> viewership growth does not require some expensive/exclusive sports
>> Cable package. Baseball, football, boxing, car racing (largely) etc
>> are all slowly and painfully dying off. The growth is in MMA and
>> eSports.
>>
>> Although you "don't get it" (I don't either, largely), the rest of the
>> world does. Ignore that at your peril :P
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> Despite the amazing popularity, it still does not draw me.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 12/4/2016 9:47 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> Just to put things into perspective, League of Legends is currently the
>>> largest competitive scene. The 2015 championships, which was a multi-day
>>> multi-city bracketed event held in several countries, had over 334
>>> million
>>> viewers (not counting multiple people watching the same stream). The
>>> final
>>> numbers on the 2016 event aren't in yet. Colleges are giving out
>>> scholarships for this (no joke).
>>>
>>> These events sell out places like the Staples center, and world cup
>>> stadiums. Madison Square Garden may be next year.
>>>
>>> On Dec 4, 2016 11:40 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>>
 Fun, fame, and profit.

 Some of these YouTube streamers bring in over 150k a year in advertising
 revenue. Most of these are young kids (preteen), some actually
 teenagers.

 Twitch streamers can bring in several hundreds of thousands a year in
 stream donations.

 My oldest (17/m) doesn't watch traditional TV. He's unfamiliar, largely,
 with commercials. Sports on TV? No way. He watches Hulu, Netflix, but
 mainly
 YouTube/twitch.

 There's a new eSports bar going up here in KC. I bet they end up with
 more
 net profit in the first year than the local Buffalo Wild Wings. Mix of
 bar
 w/ pub food, TVs streaming games/championships, and actual PCs/gaming
 (half-hourly charges).

 On Dec 4, 2016 10:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to
> me?
>
>
>
> I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over)
> for
> a speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see
> he
> does for 12 hours straight.
>
>
>
> What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in
> advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?
>
>
>
> And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?
> Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get
> breaks?
>

>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

capitalism has no mandate to offset others costs through forcible taxation
that im aware. unless we are talking about the exchange of responsibilities
via voluntary taxation of mileage in exchange for access to group resources
like federal taxes. still not sure id call that strict capitalism

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> You realize what you just described in the strictest sense is called
> capitalism, right?
>
> On Dec 4, 2016 3:41 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
>
>> just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest,
>> efficientest, its always on somebody elses back. if its regulation you
>> want, its regulation you get...to get any, even a single penny, subsidy for
>> "green tech, youre required to come to the dmv twice a yer for an odometer
>> reading and tax form for you to pay your taxes. your vehicle has a huge
>> environmental liability with the batteries (this should make the climate
>> changers cream) so if you dont register a sale of the electric car, and
>> dont get your odometer read, then you just get an annual tax bill for
>> 250,000 miles
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Brian Webster 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel cell to
>>> either make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the batteries.
>>> Depending on how far you can go just on batteries and how long it takes to
>>> recharge on solar, you could pace your travels to be darn near free driving.
>>>
>>> The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now is the
>>> road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it as the
>>> gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY state
>>> technically if you own an electric car you are supposed to calculate your
>>> mileage driven on electric and then enter that on your tax return to
>>> calculate how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at a gas
>>> pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like they are
>>> supposed to report all of their on line purchases that did not have NY
>>> state sales taxes collected...
>>>
>>> Thank You,
>>> Brian Webster
>>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
>>>
>>> This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la tesla...
>>>   The easiest way to see north america as possible...
>>>
>>> On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>> > I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go
>>> > hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel hybrid
>>> electric.
>>> > Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. Either
>>> > that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn anything, but
>>> > it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5 gallons per
>>> mile.
>>> >
>>> > On 12/2/2016 4:49 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Nikola Motor Company reveals hydrogen fuel cell truck with range of
>>> >> 1,200 miles -
>>> >> http://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016/12/nikola-hydrogen-fuel-cell-truck
>>> >> /
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT - you Texans really love your ribs

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I just read what that was about, an odd thing for men to measure dicks that
way, but its what we do, we find ways to compare them without getting
arrested for indecent exposure. But I will support any legislative
involvement that allows a guy with that accent to cook ribs for me

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Yep.  We do.  Wife just had ribs... I had a rib eye
>
> On Dec 4, 2016 3:44 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4634211/louie-gohmert-talks-c
>> ooking-ribs-capitol
>>
>>
>>
>> As long as no one casts aspersions on his asparagus.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[Josh Reynolds]

You realize what you just described in the strictest sense is called
capitalism, right?

On Dec 4, 2016 3:41 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest, efficientest,
> its always on somebody elses back. if its regulation you want, its
> regulation you get...to get any, even a single penny, subsidy for "green
> tech, youre required to come to the dmv twice a yer for an odometer reading
> and tax form for you to pay your taxes. your vehicle has a huge
> environmental liability with the batteries (this should make the climate
> changers cream) so if you dont register a sale of the electric car, and
> dont get your odometer read, then you just get an annual tax bill for
> 250,000 miles
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel cell to
>> either make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the batteries.
>> Depending on how far you can go just on batteries and how long it takes to
>> recharge on solar, you could pace your travels to be darn near free driving.
>>
>> The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now is the
>> road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it as the
>> gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY state
>> technically if you own an electric car you are supposed to calculate your
>> mileage driven on electric and then enter that on your tax return to
>> calculate how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at a gas
>> pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like they are
>> supposed to report all of their on line purchases that did not have NY
>> state sales taxes collected...
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
>>
>> This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la tesla...
>>   The easiest way to see north america as possible...
>>
>> On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>> > I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go
>> > hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel hybrid
>> electric.
>> > Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. Either
>> > that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn anything, but
>> > it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5 gallons per
>> mile.
>> >
>> > On 12/2/2016 4:49 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Nikola Motor Company reveals hydrogen fuel cell truck with range of
>> >> 1,200 miles -
>> >> http://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016/12/nikola-hydrogen-fuel-cell-truck
>> >> /
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - you Texans really love your ribs

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep.  We do.  Wife just had ribs... I had a rib eye

On Dec 4, 2016 3:44 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4634211/louie-gohmert-talks-
> cooking-ribs-capitol
>
>
>
> As long as no one casts aspersions on his asparagus.
>

[AFMUG] OT - you Texans really love your ribs

[Ken Hohhof]

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4634211/louie-gohmert-talks-cooking-ribs-capi
tol

 

As long as no one casts aspersions on his asparagus.

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

also, if you wear skinny jeans, or dress like a lumber jack but cant swing
an axe, you have double the eco tax


On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 3:41 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest, efficientest,
> its always on somebody elses back. if its regulation you want, its
> regulation you get...to get any, even a single penny, subsidy for "green
> tech, youre required to come to the dmv twice a yer for an odometer reading
> and tax form for you to pay your taxes. your vehicle has a huge
> environmental liability with the batteries (this should make the climate
> changers cream) so if you dont register a sale of the electric car, and
> dont get your odometer read, then you just get an annual tax bill for
> 250,000 miles
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel cell to
>> either make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the batteries.
>> Depending on how far you can go just on batteries and how long it takes to
>> recharge on solar, you could pace your travels to be darn near free driving.
>>
>> The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now is the
>> road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it as the
>> gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY state
>> technically if you own an electric car you are supposed to calculate your
>> mileage driven on electric and then enter that on your tax return to
>> calculate how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at a gas
>> pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like they are
>> supposed to report all of their on line purchases that did not have NY
>> state sales taxes collected...
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
>>
>> This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la tesla...
>>   The easiest way to see north america as possible...
>>
>> On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>> > I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go
>> > hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel hybrid
>> electric.
>> > Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. Either
>> > that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn anything, but
>> > it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5 gallons per
>> mile.
>> >
>> > On 12/2/2016 4:49 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Nikola Motor Company reveals hydrogen fuel cell truck with range of
>> >> 1,200 miles -
>> >> http://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016/12/nikola-hydrogen-fuel-cell-truck
>> >> /
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

just like cord cutting, and all the newest bestest greenest, efficientest,
its always on somebody elses back. if its regulation you want, its
regulation you get...to get any, even a single penny, subsidy for "green
tech, youre required to come to the dmv twice a yer for an odometer reading
and tax form for you to pay your taxes. your vehicle has a huge
environmental liability with the batteries (this should make the climate
changers cream) so if you dont register a sale of the electric car, and
dont get your odometer read, then you just get an annual tax bill for
250,000 miles

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Brian Webster 
wrote:

> Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel cell to
> either make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the batteries.
> Depending on how far you can go just on batteries and how long it takes to
> recharge on solar, you could pace your travels to be darn near free driving.
>
> The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now is the
> road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it as the
> gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY state
> technically if you own an electric car you are supposed to calculate your
> mileage driven on electric and then enter that on your tax return to
> calculate how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at a gas
> pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like they are
> supposed to report all of their on line purchases that did not have NY
> state sales taxes collected...
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
>
> This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la tesla...
>   The easiest way to see north america as possible...
>
> On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote:
> > I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go
> > hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel hybrid
> electric.
> > Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. Either
> > that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn anything, but
> > it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5 gallons per
> mile.
> >
> > On 12/2/2016 4:49 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> >>
> >> Nikola Motor Company reveals hydrogen fuel cell truck with range of
> >> 1,200 miles -
> >> http://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016/12/nikola-hydrogen-fuel-cell-truck
> >> /
> >>
> >
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t working"

[Mike Hammett]

ServerPlus memorizes that stuff. Once they look up the account once, it matches 
that number to the account going forward. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 2:21:20 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t 
working" 



All that sounds wonderful, when can you start development? 

I think the frustrating part is most of these texts are along the lines of “is 
the tower down” or “my Internet is down”, with no other information than a 
cellphone number, which is probably not the contact number in our database. If 
they would just include the account name, I would get on the computer and do 
some tests before texting them back. But usually I have to first text them back 
for more information. Maybe a robot could check the customer database, tell me 
the customer name, and if not found, text the customer back “Who is this?” 

At that point I usually prefer to call them, because it can take 50 
back-and-forth texts just to get someone to check if the POE is plugged in. 

If they have a smartphone, they can go to our website. Maybe we need 
troubleshooting instructions, maybe YouTube videos, on our website. Text them a 
link to that? 




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Webster 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 1:30 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t 
working" 

You know all annoyances aside; there is an opportunity for a product to be 
developed. Think about it: 

Your customer is off line, they likely have a cell phone that they can use to 
get in touch with you. 
They call your tech support line, this requires you to either call them back 
and devote 100% of your time at the moment to talk to them one on one, or you 
answer the call directly immediately, no matter what else you might have to do 
and you can’t do much of anything else. 
If you can text back and forth you would not have to sit there on the phone and 
wait while they do things like reboot and such. 
On a dedicated phone call this only lets you service one customer at a time. 
If you had the equivalent of the on line chat support many companies have, it 
could also function through the SMS system, it’s one way the newer tech savvy 
customer can interact with you and they can also do something else at the same 
time in between steps. 
If you had a good SMS system it would start a ticket just like an on line 
ticketing system would. Texting prompts back and forth for customer name and 
account information if necessary. This part would be automated and all keyed up 
to you prior to you getting the first live text/email/ticket notification or on 
screen system messages. 
This would not have to go to YOUR cell phone but rather it would go to your 
ticketing system and get handled just like any other ticket and tech support 
network. 
It gives the client the convenience of getting support via SMS should they 
chose. 
You could easily have pre-canned help files sent as basic troubleshooting steps 
they can perform first without needing direct interaction. Reboot sequence or 
how to request their Wi-Fi password information come to mind here. If done 
right it could prompt them to text back a response at each step, much like a 
troubleshooting decision tree diagram works. Once it’s gets beyond basic 
decision tree stuff it could be transferred to the live tech. This transfer 
should also be smart enough to show the tech on screen how far the automated 
process went and what steps are already completed so they don’t have to re-ask 
all those questions that annoy each of us when we call tech support. 

With Google Voice being a free way to do web to SMS interaction, it seems like 
some good programmer could build inter some middleware to do this or a 
standalone system. Cost for the SMS interface/gateway can then be free. I am 
sure there are other methods to also keep the cost free as well. 

This clearly would not work for most customers but I can see it becoming 
popular over time, getting in front of the idea now and working out best 
practices would be good before the consumer demand for it is real high. 


Thank You, 
Brian Webster 
www.wirelessmapping.com 
www.Broadband-Mapping.com 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 7:35 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t 
working" 


Some carriers support mobile CNAM, some don't. Mine's in there, though. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 








From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 9:25:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my 

Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t working"

[Mike Hammett]

I think ServerPlus has a text support feature. If not, I'm sure they will soon. 
They do social media support. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Brian Webster"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 1:30:05 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t 
working" 



You know all annoyances aside; there is an opportunity for a product to be 
developed. Think about it: 

Your customer is off line, they likely have a cell phone that they can use to 
get in touch with you. 
They call your tech support line, this requires you to either call them back 
and devote 100% of your time at the moment to talk to them one on one, or you 
answer the call directly immediately, no matter what else you might have to do 
and you can’t do much of anything else. 
If you can text back and forth you would not have to sit there on the phone and 
wait while they do things like reboot and such. 
On a dedicated phone call this only lets you service one customer at a time. 
If you had the equivalent of the on line chat support many companies have, it 
could also function through the SMS system, it’s one way the newer tech savvy 
customer can interact with you and they can also do something else at the same 
time in between steps. 
If you had a good SMS system it would start a ticket just like an on line 
ticketing system would. Texting prompts back and forth for customer name and 
account information if necessary. This part would be automated and all keyed up 
to you prior to you getting the first live text/email/ticket notification or on 
screen system messages. 
This would not have to go to YOUR cell phone but rather it would go to your 
ticketing system and get handled just like any other ticket and tech support 
network. 
It gives the client the convenience of getting support via SMS should they 
chose. 
You could easily have pre-canned help files sent as basic troubleshooting steps 
they can perform first without needing direct interaction. Reboot sequence or 
how to request their Wi-Fi password information come to mind here. If done 
right it could prompt them to text back a response at each step, much like a 
troubleshooting decision tree diagram works. Once it’s gets beyond basic 
decision tree stuff it could be transferred to the live tech. This transfer 
should also be smart enough to show the tech on screen how far the automated 
process went and what steps are already completed so they don’t have to re-ask 
all those questions that annoy each of us when we call tech support. 

With Google Voice being a free way to do web to SMS interaction, it seems like 
some good programmer could build inter some middleware to do this or a 
standalone system. Cost for the SMS interface/gateway can then be free. I am 
sure there are other methods to also keep the cost free as well. 

This clearly would not work for most customers but I can see it becoming 
popular over time, getting in front of the idea now and working out best 
practices would be good before the consumer demand for it is real high. 


Thank You, 
Brian Webster 
www.wirelessmapping.com 
www.Broadband-Mapping.com 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 7:35 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t 
working" 


Some carriers support mobile CNAM, some don't. Mine's in there, though. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 9:25:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t 
working" 
Awhile back I added SMS-to-email capability to our main number and discovered 
people have probably been texting it forever. You don’t need a cellphone to 
receive texts. The nice thing is the service we use has the reply-to address on 
the email set to properly to text the person back. 

What I find annoying is they never include their name, somehow they think their 
cellphone number is all we need. So 123-456-7890 wants to know “Is the tower 
down?” 

I’d rather they use the contact form on our mobile website. It’s not a 
“responsive” site, it’s a separate mdot site so the contact form is easy to use 
on a phone. 

One of the other great mysteries of life is why calls from cellphones don’t 
have CNAM. 95% of the calls we get are from “Wireless Caller”. There are apps 
for everything, but they can’t do this one simple thing, show me the name of 
the mobile caller, without having them in my address book. 




From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Brandon Yuchasz 
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 8:40 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers 

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[Mike Hammett]

IIRC, isn't hydrogen a byproduct of the nuclear generation process? Can't they 
capture that? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 2:15:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen 




tarts or farts? 

If you can reform the methane into hydrogen for the fuel cell it would work, 
but why not just use an internal combustion engine retrofitted for CNG. 
I am guessing that electricity to hydrogen back to electricity is cycle they 
are trying to promote here. 
Personally I prefer solar to electricity to an electric car, by passing the 
whole hydrogen thing. Not sure storing energy in hydrogen is all the beneficial 
of the hydrogen was originally derived from coal and natural gas. 

Now if it was nuclear – electricity – hydrogen – electricity, then we are 
cookin’ with gas. 




From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 1:11 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen 


Why not just run the motor home off of methane? There are lots of old darts 
driving them right? 


On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 2:09 PM Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 


But they use the roads so gently... 

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 12:10 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen 

That is already a big issue in CA. There are no simple solutions to this 
dilemma. There is no question that electric cars use the roads. The fact 
that they escape paying for the roads is problem we're going to have to 
solve some way. 


bp 
 

On 12/4/2016 11:05 AM, Brian Webster wrote: 
> Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel cell to 
> either make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the batteries. 
> Depending on how far you can go just on batteries and how long it takes to 
> recharge on solar, you could pace your travels to be darn near free 
> driving. 
> 
> The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now is the 
> road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it as the 
> gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY state 
> technically if you own an electric car you are supposed to calculate your 
> mileage driven on electric and then enter that on your tax return to 
> calculate how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at a gas 
> pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like they are 
> supposed to report all of their on line purchases that did not have NY 
> state sales taxes collected... 
> 
> Thank You, 
> Brian Webster 
> www.wirelessmapping.com 
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews 
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen 
> 
> This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la tesla... 
> The easiest way to see north america as possible... 
> 
> On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote: 
>> I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go 
>> hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel hybrid 
>> electric. 
>> Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. Either 
>> that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn anything, but 
>> it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5 gallons per 
>> mile. 
>> 
>> On 12/2/2016 4:49 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: 
>>> Nikola Motor Company reveals hydrogen fuel cell truck with range of 
>>> 1,200 miles - 
>>> http://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016/12/nikola-hydrogen-fuel-cell-truck 
>>> / 
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[Bill Prince]

darts? you mean farts? In that case, they could be their own supplier of 
methane...


bp


On 12/4/2016 12:11 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


Why not just run the motor home off of methane? There are lots of old 
darts driving them right?

Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t working"

[Lewis Bergman]

Whose?  What? Looked back...dammit. swiped again.

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 2:36 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tits?!?!
>
> On Dec 4, 2016 2:30 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> Seriously,  I think a robot could be programmed to ask the customer enough
> questions to narrowit down to one and then start from there. I think you
> ate on to something. Even if you just get that forwarded so you can look
> into it and stay action that would be a time saver.
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 2:21 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> All that sounds wonderful, when can you start development?
>
>
>
> I think the frustrating part is most of these texts are along the lines of
> “is the tower down” or “my Internet is down”, with no other information
> than a cellphone number, which is probably not the contact number in our
> database.  If they would just include the account name, I would get on the
> computer  and do some tests before texting them back.  But usually I have
> to first text them back for more information.  Maybe a robot could check
> the customer database, tell me the customer name, and if not found, text
> the customer back “Who is this?”
>
>
>
> At that point I usually prefer to call them, because it can take 50
> back-and-forth texts just to get someone to check if the POE is plugged in.
>
>
>
> If they have a smartphone, they can go to our website.  Maybe we need
> troubleshooting instructions, maybe YouTube videos, on our website.  Text
> them a link to that?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 4, 2016 1:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet
> isn; t working"
>
>
>
> You know all annoyances aside; there is an opportunity for a product to be
> developed. Think about it:
>
>
>
> Your customer is off line, they likely have a cell phone that they can use
> to get in touch with you.
>
> They call your tech support line, this requires you to either call them
> back and devote 100% of your time at the moment to talk to them one on one,
> or you answer the call directly immediately, no matter what else you might
> have to do and you can’t do much of anything else.
>
> If you can text back and forth you would not have to sit there on the
> phone and wait while they do things like reboot and such.
>
> On a dedicated phone call this only lets you service one customer at a
> time.
>
> If you had the equivalent of the on line chat support many companies have,
> it could also function through the SMS system, it’s one way the newer tech
> savvy customer can interact with you and they can also do something else at
> the same time in between steps.
>
> If you had a good SMS system it would start a ticket just like an on line
> ticketing system would. Texting prompts back and forth for customer name
> and account information if necessary. This part would be automated and all
> keyed up to you prior to you getting the first live text/email/ticket
> notification or on screen system messages.
>
> This would not have to go to YOUR cell phone but rather it would go to
> your ticketing system and get handled just like any other ticket and tech
> support network.
>
> It gives the client the convenience of getting support via SMS should they
> chose.
>
> You could easily have pre-canned help files sent as basic troubleshooting
> steps they can perform first without needing direct interaction. Reboot
> sequence or how to request their Wi-Fi password information come to mind
> here. If done right it could prompt them to text back a response at each
> step, much like a troubleshooting decision tree diagram works. Once it’s
> gets beyond basic decision tree stuff it could be transferred to the live
> tech. This transfer should also be smart enough to show the tech on screen
> how far the automated process went and what steps are already completed so
> they don’t have to re-ask all those questions that annoy each of us when we
> call tech support.
>
>
>
> With Google Voice being a free way to do web to SMS interaction, it seems
> like some good programmer could build inter some middleware to do this or a
> standalone system. Cost for the SMS interface/gateway can then be free. I
> am sure there are other methods to also keep the cost free as well.
>
>
>
> This clearly would not work for most customers but I can see it becoming
> popular over time, getting in front of the idea now and working out best
> practices would be good before the consumer demand for it is real high.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2016 7:35 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet
> isn; t working"
>
>
>
> Some carriers 

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

He's kind of blessed, the affliction shielded him from a failure to launch

On Dec 4, 2016 2:27 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> I will... He is limiting his kids time on games...
>
> On Dec 4, 2016 1:15 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> Jaimie that's very interesting...and concerning.  please keep us
>> informed.  I wonder if it some really mild form of epilepsy that is
>> triggered by the flashing lights and fat changing lights in video games.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 10:47 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> my son developed a nervous twitch when he played Nintendo as a kid..  .I
>>> put station away for years and it went away.   Now as a father of four, he
>>> started to play with them on PS... Twitch came back so he stopped.
>>>  Watching his kids for symptoms.
>>>
>>> On Dec 4, 2016 9:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>>
>>> I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for
>>> a speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see he
>>> does for 12 hours straight.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in
>>> advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?
>>> Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get
>>> breaks?
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t working"

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Tits?!?!

On Dec 4, 2016 2:30 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Seriously,  I think a robot could be programmed to ask the customer enough
> questions to narrowit down to one and then start from there. I think you
> ate on to something. Even if you just get that forwarded so you can look
> into it and stay action that would be a time saver.
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 2:21 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> All that sounds wonderful, when can you start development?
>>
>>
>>
>> I think the frustrating part is most of these texts are along the lines
>> of “is the tower down” or “my Internet is down”, with no other information
>> than a cellphone number, which is probably not the contact number in our
>> database.  If they would just include the account name, I would get on the
>> computer  and do some tests before texting them back.  But usually I have
>> to first text them back for more information.  Maybe a robot could check
>> the customer database, tell me the customer name, and if not found, text
>> the customer back “Who is this?”
>>
>>
>>
>> At that point I usually prefer to call them, because it can take 50
>> back-and-forth texts just to get someone to check if the POE is plugged in.
>>
>>
>>
>> If they have a smartphone, they can go to our website.  Maybe we need
>> troubleshooting instructions, maybe YouTube videos, on our website.  Text
>> them a link to that?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 4, 2016 1:30 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet
>> isn; t working"
>>
>>
>>
>> You know all annoyances aside; there is an opportunity for a product to
>> be developed. Think about it:
>>
>>
>>
>> Your customer is off line, they likely have a cell phone that they can
>> use to get in touch with you.
>>
>> They call your tech support line, this requires you to either call them
>> back and devote 100% of your time at the moment to talk to them one on one,
>> or you answer the call directly immediately, no matter what else you might
>> have to do and you can’t do much of anything else.
>>
>> If you can text back and forth you would not have to sit there on the
>> phone and wait while they do things like reboot and such.
>>
>> On a dedicated phone call this only lets you service one customer at a
>> time.
>>
>> If you had the equivalent of the on line chat support many companies
>> have, it could also function through the SMS system, it’s one way the newer
>> tech savvy customer can interact with you and they can also do something
>> else at the same time in between steps.
>>
>> If you had a good SMS system it would start a ticket just like an on line
>> ticketing system would. Texting prompts back and forth for customer name
>> and account information if necessary. This part would be automated and all
>> keyed up to you prior to you getting the first live text/email/ticket
>> notification or on screen system messages.
>>
>> This would not have to go to YOUR cell phone but rather it would go to
>> your ticketing system and get handled just like any other ticket and tech
>> support network.
>>
>> It gives the client the convenience of getting support via SMS should
>> they chose.
>>
>> You could easily have pre-canned help files sent as basic troubleshooting
>> steps they can perform first without needing direct interaction. Reboot
>> sequence or how to request their Wi-Fi password information come to mind
>> here. If done right it could prompt them to text back a response at each
>> step, much like a troubleshooting decision tree diagram works. Once it’s
>> gets beyond basic decision tree stuff it could be transferred to the live
>> tech. This transfer should also be smart enough to show the tech on screen
>> how far the automated process went and what steps are already completed so
>> they don’t have to re-ask all those questions that annoy each of us when we
>> call tech support.
>>
>>
>>
>> With Google Voice being a free way to do web to SMS interaction, it seems
>> like some good programmer could build inter some middleware to do this or a
>> standalone system. Cost for the SMS interface/gateway can then be free. I
>> am sure there are other methods to also keep the cost free as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> This clearly would not work for most customers but I can see it becoming
>> popular over time, getting in front of the idea now and working out best
>> practices would be good before the consumer demand for it is real high.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2016 7:35 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet
>> isn; t working"
>>
>>
>>
>> Some carriers support mobile CNAM, some don't. 

Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t working"

[Lewis Bergman]

Seriously,  I think a robot could be programmed to ask the customer enough
questions to narrowit down to one and then start from there. I think you
ate on to something. Even if you just get that forwarded so you can look
into it and stay action that would be a time saver.

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 2:21 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> All that sounds wonderful, when can you start development?
>
>
>
> I think the frustrating part is most of these texts are along the lines of
> “is the tower down” or “my Internet is down”, with no other information
> than a cellphone number, which is probably not the contact number in our
> database.  If they would just include the account name, I would get on the
> computer  and do some tests before texting them back.  But usually I have
> to first text them back for more information.  Maybe a robot could check
> the customer database, tell me the customer name, and if not found, text
> the customer back “Who is this?”
>
>
>
> At that point I usually prefer to call them, because it can take 50
> back-and-forth texts just to get someone to check if the POE is plugged in.
>
>
>
> If they have a smartphone, they can go to our website.  Maybe we need
> troubleshooting instructions, maybe YouTube videos, on our website.  Text
> them a link to that?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Webster
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 4, 2016 1:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet
> isn; t working"
>
>
>
> You know all annoyances aside; there is an opportunity for a product to be
> developed. Think about it:
>
>
>
> Your customer is off line, they likely have a cell phone that they can use
> to get in touch with you.
>
> They call your tech support line, this requires you to either call them
> back and devote 100% of your time at the moment to talk to them one on one,
> or you answer the call directly immediately, no matter what else you might
> have to do and you can’t do much of anything else.
>
> If you can text back and forth you would not have to sit there on the
> phone and wait while they do things like reboot and such.
>
> On a dedicated phone call this only lets you service one customer at a
> time.
>
> If you had the equivalent of the on line chat support many companies have,
> it could also function through the SMS system, it’s one way the newer tech
> savvy customer can interact with you and they can also do something else at
> the same time in between steps.
>
> If you had a good SMS system it would start a ticket just like an on line
> ticketing system would. Texting prompts back and forth for customer name
> and account information if necessary. This part would be automated and all
> keyed up to you prior to you getting the first live text/email/ticket
> notification or on screen system messages.
>
> This would not have to go to YOUR cell phone but rather it would go to
> your ticketing system and get handled just like any other ticket and tech
> support network.
>
> It gives the client the convenience of getting support via SMS should they
> chose.
>
> You could easily have pre-canned help files sent as basic troubleshooting
> steps they can perform first without needing direct interaction. Reboot
> sequence or how to request their Wi-Fi password information come to mind
> here. If done right it could prompt them to text back a response at each
> step, much like a troubleshooting decision tree diagram works. Once it’s
> gets beyond basic decision tree stuff it could be transferred to the live
> tech. This transfer should also be smart enough to show the tech on screen
> how far the automated process went and what steps are already completed so
> they don’t have to re-ask all those questions that annoy each of us when we
> call tech support.
>
>
>
> With Google Voice being a free way to do web to SMS interaction, it seems
> like some good programmer could build inter some middleware to do this or a
> standalone system. Cost for the SMS interface/gateway can then be free. I
> am sure there are other methods to also keep the cost free as well.
>
>
>
> This clearly would not work for most customers but I can see it becoming
> popular over time, getting in front of the idea now and working out best
> practices would be good before the consumer demand for it is real high.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2016 7:35 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet
> isn; t working"
>
>
>
> Some carriers support mobile CNAM, some don't. Mine's in there, though.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Jaime Solorza]

I will... He is limiting his kids time on games...

On Dec 4, 2016 1:15 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Jaimie that's very interesting...and concerning.  please keep us
> informed.  I wonder if it some really mild form of epilepsy that is
> triggered by the flashing lights and fat changing lights in video games.
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 10:47 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> my son developed a nervous twitch when he played Nintendo as a kid..  .I
>> put station away for years and it went away.   Now as a father of four, he
>> started to play with them on PS... Twitch came back so he stopped.
>>  Watching his kids for symptoms.
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2016 9:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>> I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for
>> a speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see he
>> does for 12 hours straight.
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in
>> advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?
>>
>>
>>
>> And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?
>> Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get
>> breaks?
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's future? |MobileSyrup.com

[Brian Webster]

Republic Wireless as an MVNO has been doing this successfully for three or 4 
years now. My kids and I have been happy customers for a long time. 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 11:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's future? 
|MobileSyrup.com

 

AT is doing this with their WiFi calling. I believe that Verizon is also 
doing a roll-out of something similar. Once implemented, it will be the end of 
femtocells.

 

bp

 

On 12/4/2016 7:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Key to the cell industry saving money...

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 8:36 AM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's future? 
|MobileSyrup.com

 

http://mobilesyrup.com/2016/12/03/what-is-vowifi-and-is-it-key-to-freedom-mobiles-future/

 

Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t working"

[Ken Hohhof]

All that sounds wonderful, when can you start development?

 

I think the frustrating part is most of these texts are along the lines of “is 
the tower down” or “my Internet is down”, with no other information than a 
cellphone number, which is probably not the contact number in our database.  If 
they would just include the account name, I would get on the computer  and do 
some tests before texting them back.  But usually I have to first text them 
back for more information.  Maybe a robot could check the customer database, 
tell me the customer name, and if not found, text the customer back “Who is 
this?”

 

At that point I usually prefer to call them, because it can take 50 
back-and-forth texts just to get someone to check if the POE is plugged in.

 

If they have a smartphone, they can go to our website.  Maybe we need 
troubleshooting instructions, maybe YouTube videos, on our website.  Text them 
a link to that?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 1:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t 
working"

 

You know all annoyances aside; there is an opportunity for a product to be 
developed. Think about it:

 

Your customer is off line, they likely have a cell phone that they can use to 
get in touch with you. 

They call your tech support line, this requires you to either call them back 
and devote 100% of your time at the moment to talk to them one on one, or you 
answer the call directly immediately, no matter what else you might have to do 
and you can’t do much of anything else.

If you can text back and forth you would not have to sit there on the phone and 
wait while they do things like reboot and such.

On a dedicated phone call this only lets you service one customer at a time.

If you had the equivalent of the on line chat support many companies have, it 
could also function through the SMS system, it’s one way the newer tech savvy 
customer can interact with you and they can also do something else at the same 
time in between steps.

If you had a good SMS system it would start a ticket just like an on line 
ticketing system would. Texting prompts back and forth for customer name and 
account information if necessary. This part would be automated and all keyed up 
to you prior to you getting the first live text/email/ticket notification or on 
screen system messages.

This would not have to go to YOUR cell phone but rather it would go to your 
ticketing system and get handled just like any other ticket and tech support 
network.

It gives the client the convenience of getting support via SMS should they 
chose.

You could easily have pre-canned help files sent as basic troubleshooting steps 
they can perform first without needing direct interaction. Reboot sequence or 
how to request their Wi-Fi password information come to mind here. If done 
right it could prompt them to text back a response at each step, much like a 
troubleshooting decision tree diagram works. Once it’s gets beyond basic 
decision tree stuff it could be transferred to the live tech. This transfer 
should also be smart enough to show the tech on screen how far the automated 
process went and what steps are already completed so they don’t have to re-ask 
all those questions that annoy each of us when we call tech support.

 

With Google Voice being a free way to do web to SMS interaction, it seems like 
some good programmer could build inter some middleware to do this or a 
standalone system. Cost for the SMS interface/gateway can then be free. I am 
sure there are other methods to also keep the cost free as well.

 

This clearly would not work for most customers but I can see it becoming 
popular over time, getting in front of the idea now and working out best 
practices would be good before the consumer demand for it is real high.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com  

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 7:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t 
working"

 

Some carriers support mobile CNAM, some don't. Mine's in there, though.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




  _  

From: "Ken 

Re: [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's future? |MobileSyrup.com

[Ryan Ray]

Mine too. It's a great feature I love it. I'm in many places with 50Mb wifi
but no cell service so this helps me stay in connection.


On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Yes my phone has it.
>
> On Dec 4, 2016 9:44 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
> this has been a feature on tmobile for a very long time.. .
>
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, December 4, 2016 11:24:28 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom
> Mobile'sfuture? |MobileSyrup.com
>
> I have already taken support calls from customers using this instead of a
> femtocell.  I think it was Sprint and the app was flaky, incoming calls
> went to voicemail.  And it means the customer has crappy cellular coverage
> at their house so they use WiFi calling but they have crappy WiFi, and
> whose fault is all this?  Their ISP, of course.  Just like when your smart
> fridge doesn’t tell Amazon you’re out of eggs, who you gonna call?  Your
> ISP.  It’s always our fault.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 4, 2016 10:18 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's
> future? |MobileSyrup.com
>
>
>
> AT is doing this with their WiFi calling. I believe that Verizon is also
> doing a roll-out of something similar. Once implemented, it will be the end
> of femtocells.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 12/4/2016 7:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Key to the cell industry saving money...
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 04, 2016 8:36 AM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's
> future? |MobileSyrup.com
>
>
>
> http://mobilesyrup.com/2016/12/03/what-is-vowifi-and-is-it-
> key-to-freedom-mobiles-future/
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[Chuck McCown]

tarts or farts?

If you can reform the methane into hydrogen for the fuel cell it would work, 
but why not just use an internal combustion engine retrofitted for CNG.  
I am guessing that electricity to hydrogen back to electricity is cycle they 
are trying to promote here.  
Personally I prefer solar to electricity to an electric car, by passing the 
whole hydrogen thing.  Not sure storing energy in hydrogen is all the 
beneficial of the hydrogen was originally derived from coal and natural gas.

Now if it was nuclear – electricity – hydrogen – electricity, then we are 
cookin’ with gas.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 1:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

Why not just run the motor home off of methane?  There are lots of old darts 
driving them right? 



On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 2:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  But they use the roads so gently...

  -Original Message-
  From: Bill Prince
  Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 12:10 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

  That is already a big issue in CA. There are no simple solutions to this
  dilemma. There is no question that electric cars use the roads. The fact
  that they escape paying for the roads is problem we're going to have to
  solve some way.


  bp
  

  On 12/4/2016 11:05 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
  > Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel cell to
  > either make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the batteries.
  > Depending on how far you can go just on batteries and how long it takes to
  > recharge on solar, you could pace your travels to be darn near free
  > driving.
  >
  > The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now is the
  > road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it as the
  > gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY state
  > technically if you own an electric car you are supposed to calculate your
  > mileage driven on electric and then enter that on your tax return to
  > calculate how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at a gas
  > pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like they are
  > supposed to report all of their on line purchases that did not have NY
  > state sales taxes collected...
  >
  > Thank You,
  > Brian Webster
  > www.wirelessmapping.com
  > www.Broadband-Mapping.com
  >
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
  > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM
  > To: af@afmug.com
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
  >
  > This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la tesla...
  >The easiest way to see north america as possible...
  >
  > On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote:
  >> I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go
  >> hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel hybrid
  >> electric.
  >> Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. Either
  >> that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn anything, but
  >> it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5 gallons per
  >> mile.
  >>
  >> On 12/2/2016 4:49 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
  >>> Nikola Motor Company reveals hydrogen fuel cell truck with range of
  >>> 1,200 miles -
  >>> http://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016/12/nikola-hydrogen-fuel-cell-truck
  >>> /
  >>>

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Lewis Bergman]

Jaimie that's very interesting...and concerning.  please keep us informed.
I wonder if it some really mild form of epilepsy that is triggered by the
flashing lights and fat changing lights in video games.

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 10:47 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> my son developed a nervous twitch when he played Nintendo as a kid..  .I
> put station away for years and it went away.   Now as a father of four, he
> started to play with them on PS... Twitch came back so he stopped.
>  Watching his kids for symptoms.
>
> On Dec 4, 2016 9:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?
>
>
>
> I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for a
> speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see he
> does for 12 hours straight.
>
>
>
> What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in
> advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?
>
>
>
> And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?
> Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get
> breaks?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[Lewis Bergman]

Why not just run the motor home off of methane?  There are lots of old
darts driving them right?

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 2:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> But they use the roads so gently...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 12:10 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
>
> That is already a big issue in CA. There are no simple solutions to this
> dilemma. There is no question that electric cars use the roads. The fact
> that they escape paying for the roads is problem we're going to have to
> solve some way.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/4/2016 11:05 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
> > Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel cell to
> > either make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the batteries.
> > Depending on how far you can go just on batteries and how long it takes
> to
> > recharge on solar, you could pace your travels to be darn near free
> > driving.
> >
> > The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now is the
> > road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it as the
> > gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY state
> > technically if you own an electric car you are supposed to calculate your
> > mileage driven on electric and then enter that on your tax return to
> > calculate how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at a gas
> > pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like they are
> > supposed to report all of their on line purchases that did not have NY
> > state sales taxes collected...
> >
> > Thank You,
> > Brian Webster
> > www.wirelessmapping.com
> > www.Broadband-Mapping.com
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen
> >
> > This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la tesla...
> >The easiest way to see north america as possible...
> >
> > On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote:
> >> I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go
> >> hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel hybrid
> >> electric.
> >> Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. Either
> >> that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn anything, but
> >> it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5 gallons per
> >> mile.
> >>
> >> On 12/2/2016 4:49 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> >>> Nikola Motor Company reveals hydrogen fuel cell truck with range of
> >>> 1,200 miles -
> >>> http://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016/12/nikola-hydrogen-fuel-cell-truck
> >>> /
> >>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t working"

[Chuck McCown]

yeah baby

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 1:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t 
working"

Troubleshooting tits, count me in!


On 12/4/2016 1:57 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

  Forget canned trouble shooting tits. have one of these genius app developers 
to create a robot that interprets questions and gives your canned steps.  

  Oh...I am sorry your Internet isn't working.  let's reboot your router and 
tell me when it lights up again please. 

  Try the internet please. 

  Still not working...please unplug the  colored cable that leads to the 
rectangular black power block labeled "CPE POWER BLOCK". 

  Still not working? I'm afraid I need to get tier 2 tech support on the line.  
please wait. 

  Then send the ticket to a real person. 


  On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 1:30 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

You know all annoyances aside; there is an opportunity for a product to be 
developed. Think about it:



Your customer is off line, they likely have a cell phone that they can use 

  a
to get in touch with you. 

They call your tech support line, this requires you to either call them 
back and devote 100% of your time at the moment to talk to them one on one, or 
you answer the call directly immediately, no matter what else you might have to 
do and you can’t do much of anything else.

If you can text back and forth you would not have to sit there on the phone 
and wait while they do things like reboot and such.

On a dedicated phone call this only lets you service one customer at a time.

If you had the equivalent of the on line chat support many companies have, 
it could also function through the SMS system, it’s one way the newer tech 
savvy customer can interact with you and they can also do something else at the 
same time in between steps.

If you had a good SMS system it would start a ticket just like an on line 
ticketing system would. Texting prompts back and forth for customer name and 
account information if necessary. This part would be automated and all keyed up 
to you prior to you getting the first live text/email/ticket notification or on 
screen system messages.

This would not have to go to YOUR cell phone but rather it would go to your 
ticketing system and get handled just like any other ticket and tech support 
network.

It gives the client the convenience of getting support via SMS should they 
chose.

You could easily have pre-canned help files sent as basic troubleshooting 
steps they can perform first without needing direct interaction. Reboot 
sequence or how to request their Wi-Fi password information come to mind here. 
If done right it could prompt them to text back a response at each step, much 
like a troubleshooting decision tree diagram works. Once it’s gets beyond basic 
decision tree stuff it could be transferred to the live tech. This transfer 
should also be smart enough to show the tech on screen how far the automated 
process went and what steps are already completed so they don’t have to re-ask 
all those questions that annoy each of us when we call tech support.



With Google Voice being a free way to do web to SMS interaction, it seems 
like some good programmer could build inter some middleware to do this or a 
standalone system. Cost for the SMS interface/gateway can then be free. I am 
sure there are other methods to also keep the cost free as well.



This clearly would not work for most customers but I can see it becoming 
popular over time, getting in front of the idea now and working out best 
practices would be good before the consumer demand for it is real high.



Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 7:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t 
working"



Some carriers support mobile CNAM, some don't. Mine's in there, though.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 9:25:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn;
t working"

Awhile back I added SMS-to-email capability to our main number and 
discovered people have probably been texting it forever.  You don’t need a 
cellphone to receive texts.  The nice thing is the service we use has the 
reply-to address on the email set to properly to text the person back.



What I find annoying is they never include their name, somehow they think 
their cellphone number is all we need.  So 123-456-7890 wants to know “Is 

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[Chuck McCown]

But they use the roads so gently...

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 12:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

That is already a big issue in CA. There are no simple solutions to this
dilemma. There is no question that electric cars use the roads. The fact
that they escape paying for the roads is problem we're going to have to
solve some way.


bp


On 12/4/2016 11:05 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel cell to 
either make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the batteries. 
Depending on how far you can go just on batteries and how long it takes to 
recharge on solar, you could pace your travels to be darn near free 
driving.


The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now is the 
road taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it as the 
gas/fuel pump for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY state 
technically if you own an electric car you are supposed to calculate your 
mileage driven on electric and then enter that on your tax return to 
calculate how much you owe in road taxes that you did not pay at a gas 
pump. I am sure that is honestly reported by citizens just like they are 
supposed to report all of their on line purchases that did not have NY 
state sales taxes collected...


Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la tesla...
   The easiest way to see north america as possible...

On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote:

I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go
hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel hybrid 
electric.

Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. Either
that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn anything, but
it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5 gallons per 
mile.


On 12/2/2016 4:49 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Nikola Motor Company reveals hydrogen fuel cell truck with range of
1,200 miles -
http://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016/12/nikola-hydrogen-fuel-cell-truck
/

Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t working"

[George Skorup]

Troubleshooting tits, count me in!

On 12/4/2016 1:57 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Forget canned trouble shooting tits. have one of these genius app 
developers to create a robot that interprets questions and gives your 
canned steps.


Oh...I am sorry your Internet isn't working.  let's reboot your router 
and tell me when it lights up again please.


Try the internet please.

Still not working...please unplug the  colored cable that leads to 
the rectangular black power block labeled "CPE POWER BLOCK".


Still not working? I'm afraid I need to get tier 2 tech support on the 
line.  please wait.


Then send the ticket to a real person.

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 1:30 PM Brian Webster > wrote:


You know all annoyances aside; there is an opportunity for a
product to be developed. Think about it:

Your customer is off line, they likely have a cell phone that they
can use

a

 to get in touch with you.

They call your tech support line, this requires you to either call
them back and devote 100% of your time at the moment to talk to
them one on one, or you answer the call directly immediately, no
matter what else you might have to do and you can’t do much of
anything else.

If you can text back and forth you would not have to sit there on
the phone and wait while they do things like reboot and such.

On a dedicated phone call this only lets you service one customer
at a time.

If you had the equivalent of the on line chat support many
companies have, it could also function through the SMS system,
it’s one way the newer tech savvy customer can interact with you
and they can also do something else at the same time in between steps.

If you had a good SMS system it would start a ticket just like an
on line ticketing system would. Texting prompts back and forth for
customer name and account information if necessary. This part
would be automated and all keyed up to you prior to you getting
the first live text/email/ticket notification or on screen system
messages.

This would not have to go to YOUR cell phone but rather it would
go to your ticketing system and get handled just like any other
ticket and tech support network.

It gives the client the convenience of getting support via SMS
should they chose.

You could easily have pre-canned help files sent as basic
troubleshooting steps they can perform first without needing
direct interaction. Reboot sequence or how to request their Wi-Fi
password information come to mind here. If done right it could
prompt them to text back a response at each step, much like a
troubleshooting decision tree diagram works. Once it’s gets beyond
basic decision tree stuff it could be transferred to the live
tech. This transfer should also be smart enough to show the tech
on screen how far the automated process went and what steps are
already completed so they don’t have to re-ask all those questions
that annoy each of us when we call tech support.

With Google Voice being a free way to do web to SMS interaction,
it seems like some good programmer could build inter some
middleware to do this or a standalone system. Cost for the SMS
interface/gateway can then be free. I am sure there are other
methods to also keep the cost free as well.

This clearly would not work for most customers but I can see it
becoming popular over time, getting in front of the idea now and
working out best practices would be good before the consumer
demand for it is real high.

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com 

www.Broadband-Mapping.com 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2016 7:35 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my
internet isn; t working"

Some carriers support mobile CNAM, some don't. Mine's in there,
though.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Ken Hohhof" 

Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t working"

[Lewis Bergman]

Forget canned trouble shooting tits. have one of these genius app
developers to create a robot that interprets questions and gives your
canned steps.

Oh...I am sorry your Internet isn't working.  let's reboot your router and
tell me when it lights up again please.

Try the internet please.

Still not working...please unplug the  colored cable that leads to the
rectangular black power block labeled "CPE POWER BLOCK".

Still not working? I'm afraid I need to get tier 2 tech support on the
line.  please wait.

Then send the ticket to a real person.

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016, 1:30 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

> You know all annoyances aside; there is an opportunity for a product to be
> developed. Think about it:
>
>
>
> Your customer is off line, they likely have a cell phone that they can use
>
a

>  to get in touch with you.
>
> They call your tech support line, this requires you to either call them
> back and devote 100% of your time at the moment to talk to them one on one,
> or you answer the call directly immediately, no matter what else you might
> have to do and you can’t do much of anything else.
>
> If you can text back and forth you would not have to sit there on the
> phone and wait while they do things like reboot and such.
>
> On a dedicated phone call this only lets you service one customer at a
> time.
>
> If you had the equivalent of the on line chat support many companies have,
> it could also function through the SMS system, it’s one way the newer tech
> savvy customer can interact with you and they can also do something else at
> the same time in between steps.
>
> If you had a good SMS system it would start a ticket just like an on line
> ticketing system would. Texting prompts back and forth for customer name
> and account information if necessary. This part would be automated and all
> keyed up to you prior to you getting the first live text/email/ticket
> notification or on screen system messages.
>
> This would not have to go to YOUR cell phone but rather it would go to
> your ticketing system and get handled just like any other ticket and tech
> support network.
>
> It gives the client the convenience of getting support via SMS should they
> chose.
>
> You could easily have pre-canned help files sent as basic troubleshooting
> steps they can perform first without needing direct interaction. Reboot
> sequence or how to request their Wi-Fi password information come to mind
> here. If done right it could prompt them to text back a response at each
> step, much like a troubleshooting decision tree diagram works. Once it’s
> gets beyond basic decision tree stuff it could be transferred to the live
> tech. This transfer should also be smart enough to show the tech on screen
> how far the automated process went and what steps are already completed so
> they don’t have to re-ask all those questions that annoy each of us when we
> call tech support.
>
>
>
> With Google Voice being a free way to do web to SMS interaction, it seems
> like some good programmer could build inter some middleware to do this or a
> standalone system. Cost for the SMS interface/gateway can then be free. I
> am sure there are other methods to also keep the cost free as well.
>
>
>
> This clearly would not work for most customers but I can see it becoming
> popular over time, getting in front of the idea now and working out best
> practices would be good before the consumer demand for it is real high.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, December 02, 2016 7:35 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet
> isn; t working"
>
>
>
> Some carriers support mobile CNAM, some don't. Mine's in there, though.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 1, 2016 9:25:40 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet
> isn;t working"
>
> Awhile back I added SMS-to-email capability to our main number and
> discovered people have probably been texting it forever.  You don’t need a
> cellphone to receive texts.  The nice thing is the service we use has the
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[Seth Mattinen]

On 12/4/16 11:10 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

That is already a big issue in CA. There are no simple solutions to this
dilemma. There is no question that electric cars use the roads. The fact
that they escape paying for the roads is problem we're going to have to
solve some way.



Hopefully not by mandatory vehicle GPS tracking. But probably.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t working"

[Brian Webster]

You know all annoyances aside; there is an opportunity for a product to be 
developed. Think about it:

 

Your customer is off line, they likely have a cell phone that they can use to 
get in touch with you. 

They call your tech support line, this requires you to either call them back 
and devote 100% of your time at the moment to talk to them one on one, or you 
answer the call directly immediately, no matter what else you might have to do 
and you can’t do much of anything else.

If you can text back and forth you would not have to sit there on the phone and 
wait while they do things like reboot and such.

On a dedicated phone call this only lets you service one customer at a time.

If you had the equivalent of the on line chat support many companies have, it 
could also function through the SMS system, it’s one way the newer tech savvy 
customer can interact with you and they can also do something else at the same 
time in between steps.

If you had a good SMS system it would start a ticket just like an on line 
ticketing system would. Texting prompts back and forth for customer name and 
account information if necessary. This part would be automated and all keyed up 
to you prior to you getting the first live text/email/ticket notification or on 
screen system messages.

This would not have to go to YOUR cell phone but rather it would go to your 
ticketing system and get handled just like any other ticket and tech support 
network.

It gives the client the convenience of getting support via SMS should they 
chose.

You could easily have pre-canned help files sent as basic troubleshooting steps 
they can perform first without needing direct interaction. Reboot sequence or 
how to request their Wi-Fi password information come to mind here. If done 
right it could prompt them to text back a response at each step, much like a 
troubleshooting decision tree diagram works. Once it’s gets beyond basic 
decision tree stuff it could be transferred to the live tech. This transfer 
should also be smart enough to show the tech on screen how far the automated 
process went and what steps are already completed so they don’t have to re-ask 
all those questions that annoy each of us when we call tech support.

 

With Google Voice being a free way to do web to SMS interaction, it seems like 
some good programmer could build inter some middleware to do this or a 
standalone system. Cost for the SMS interface/gateway can then be free. I am 
sure there are other methods to also keep the cost free as well.

 

This clearly would not work for most customers but I can see it becoming 
popular over time, getting in front of the idea now and working out best 
practices would be good before the consumer demand for it is real high.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 7:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn; t 
working"

 

Some carriers support mobile CNAM, some don't. Mine's in there, though.



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




  _  

From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 9:25:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customers texting cell phones "hey my internet isn;
t working"

Awhile back I added SMS-to-email capability to our main number and discovered 
people have probably been texting it forever.  You don’t need a cellphone to 
receive texts.  The nice thing is the service we use has the reply-to address 
on the email set to properly to text the person back.

 

What I find annoying is they never include their name, somehow they think their 
cellphone number is all we need.  So 123-456-7890 wants to know “Is the tower 
down?”

 

I’d rather they use the contact form on our mobile website.  It’s not a 
“responsive” site, it’s a separate mdot site so the contact form is easy to use 
on a phone.

 

One of the other great mysteries of life is why calls from cellphones don’t 
have CNAM.  95% of the calls we get are from “Wireless Caller”.  There are apps 
for everything, but they can’t do this one simple thing, show me the name of 
the mobile caller, without having them in my address book.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Yuchasz
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 

Re: [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's future? |MobileSyrup.com

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes my phone has it.

On Dec 4, 2016 9:44 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

this has been a feature on tmobile for a very long time.. .


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
supp...@snappytelecom.net

--

*From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, December 4, 2016 11:24:28 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom
Mobile'sfuture? |MobileSyrup.com

I have already taken support calls from customers using this instead of a
femtocell.  I think it was Sprint and the app was flaky, incoming calls
went to voicemail.  And it means the customer has crappy cellular coverage
at their house so they use WiFi calling but they have crappy WiFi, and
whose fault is all this?  Their ISP, of course.  Just like when your smart
fridge doesn’t tell Amazon you’re out of eggs, who you gonna call?  Your
ISP.  It’s always our fault.





*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, December 4, 2016 10:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's
future? |MobileSyrup.com



AT is doing this with their WiFi calling. I believe that Verizon is also
doing a roll-out of something similar. Once implemented, it will be the end
of femtocells.



bp





On 12/4/2016 7:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Key to the cell industry saving money...



*From:* Jaime Solorza

*Sent:* Sunday, December 04, 2016 8:36 AM

*To:* Animal Farm

*Subject:* [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's future?
|MobileSyrup.com



http://mobilesyrup.com/2016/12/03/what-is-vowifi-and-is-
it-key-to-freedom-mobiles-future/

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Paul Stewart]

Yeah it’s quite interesting …. I’m not much into it - play a few PS4 games here 
and there….

But when it comes to Twitch and customers watching it and streaming to it live, 
it’s quite noticeable … roughly 10% of traffic amount we do to Netflix for 
example.

> On Dec 4, 2016, at 12:47 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> 
> Just to put things into perspective, League of Legends is currently the 
> largest competitive scene. The 2015 championships, which was a multi-day 
> multi-city bracketed event held in several countries, had over 334 million 
> viewers (not counting multiple people watching the same stream). The final 
> numbers on the 2016 event aren't in yet. Colleges are giving out scholarships 
> for this (no joke).
> 
> These events sell out places like the Staples center, and world cup stadiums. 
> Madison Square Garden may be next year.
> 
> On Dec 4, 2016 11:40 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  > wrote:
> Fun, fame, and profit.
> 
> Some of these YouTube streamers bring in over 150k a year in advertising 
> revenue. Most of these are young kids (preteen), some actually teenagers.
> 
> Twitch streamers can bring in several hundreds of thousands a year in stream 
> donations.
> 
> My oldest (17/m) doesn't watch traditional TV. He's unfamiliar, largely, with 
> commercials. Sports on TV? No way. He watches Hulu, Netflix, but mainly 
> YouTube/twitch.
> 
> There's a new eSports bar going up here in KC. I bet they end up with more 
> net profit in the first year than the local Buffalo Wild Wings. Mix of bar w/ 
> pub food, TVs streaming games/championships, and actual PCs/gaming 
> (half-hourly charges).
> 
> On Dec 4, 2016 10:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  > wrote:
> I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?
> 
>  
> 
> I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for a 
> speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see he does 
> for 12 hours straight.
> 
>  
> 
> What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in advertising 
> money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?
> 
>  
> 
> And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?  Astronaut 
> diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get breaks?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[Bill Prince]

That is already a big issue in CA. There are no simple solutions to this 
dilemma. There is no question that electric cars use the roads. The fact 
that they escape paying for the roads is problem we're going to have to 
solve some way.



bp


On 12/4/2016 11:05 AM, Brian Webster wrote:

Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel cell to either 
make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the batteries. Depending on 
how far you can go just on batteries and how long it takes to recharge on 
solar, you could pace your travels to be darn near free driving.

The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now is the road 
taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it as the gas/fuel pump 
for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY state technically if you 
own an electric car you are supposed to calculate your mileage driven on 
electric and then enter that on your tax return to calculate how much you owe 
in road taxes that you did not pay at a gas pump. I am sure that is honestly 
reported by citizens just like they are supposed to report all of their on line 
purchases that did not have NY state sales taxes collected...

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la tesla...
   The easiest way to see north america as possible...

On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote:

I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go
hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel hybrid electric.
Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. Either
that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn anything, but
it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5 gallons per mile.

On 12/2/2016 4:49 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Nikola Motor Company reveals hydrogen fuel cell truck with range of
1,200 miles -
http://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016/12/nikola-hydrogen-fuel-cell-truck
/

Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

[Brian Webster]

Imagine the motorhome also having a solar powered hydrogen fuel cell to either 
make the hydrogen or have enough power to recharge the batteries. Depending on 
how far you can go just on batteries and how long it takes to recharge on 
solar, you could pace your travels to be darn near free driving. 

The one thing that governments are starting to struggle with now is the road 
taxes that are technically owed. Right now they collect it as the gas/fuel pump 
for every gallon of fuel you purchase. I know in NY state technically if you 
own an electric car you are supposed to calculate your mileage driven on 
electric and then enter that on your tax return to calculate how much you owe 
in road taxes that you did not pay at a gas pump. I am sure that is honestly 
reported by citizens just like they are supposed to report all of their on line 
purchases that did not have NY state sales taxes collected...

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 6:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 1000hp, 1,200mile range truck - hydrogen

This is what I want for a motor home, along with autopilot a la tesla... 
  The easiest way to see north america as possible...

On 12/02/2016 03:35 PM, George Skorup wrote:
> I would really like to see passenger vehicles and small trucks go 
> hybrid hydrogen/electric. Even better would be an any-fuel hybrid electric.
> Hydrogen, propane or NG and a regular gas tank for reserve. Either 
> that, or a gas turbine like an M1 Abrams that can burn anything, but 
> it would obviously need to get better fuel economy than 5 gallons per mile.
>
> On 12/2/2016 4:49 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> Nikola Motor Company reveals hydrogen fuel cell truck with range of
>> 1,200 miles -
>> http://arstechnica.co.uk/cars/2016/12/nikola-hydrogen-fuel-cell-truck
>> /
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Bill Prince]

My life will not be diminished whether I get it or not. I feel fulfilled 
without any video games in my life (either me or someone else playing them).



bp


On 12/4/2016 10:24 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Think about it this way: it's the first "sport" that has international
reach outside of soccer. It already has more exposure than baseball,
football, etc. The only thing it doesn't come close to is FIFA World
Cup viewership (3.2 Billion in 2014). The barrier to viewership is
that it only requires internet access to YouTube/Twitch - it's
viewership growth does not require some expensive/exclusive sports
Cable package. Baseball, football, boxing, car racing (largely) etc
are all slowly and painfully dying off. The growth is in MMA and
eSports.

Although you "don't get it" (I don't either, largely), the rest of the
world does. Ignore that at your peril :P

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

Despite the amazing popularity, it still does not draw me.


bp


On 12/4/2016 9:47 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Just to put things into perspective, League of Legends is currently the
largest competitive scene. The 2015 championships, which was a multi-day
multi-city bracketed event held in several countries, had over 334 million
viewers (not counting multiple people watching the same stream). The final
numbers on the 2016 event aren't in yet. Colleges are giving out
scholarships for this (no joke).

These events sell out places like the Staples center, and world cup
stadiums. Madison Square Garden may be next year.

On Dec 4, 2016 11:40 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

Fun, fame, and profit.

Some of these YouTube streamers bring in over 150k a year in advertising
revenue. Most of these are young kids (preteen), some actually teenagers.

Twitch streamers can bring in several hundreds of thousands a year in
stream donations.

My oldest (17/m) doesn't watch traditional TV. He's unfamiliar, largely,
with commercials. Sports on TV? No way. He watches Hulu, Netflix, but mainly
YouTube/twitch.

There's a new eSports bar going up here in KC. I bet they end up with more
net profit in the first year than the local Buffalo Wild Wings. Mix of bar
w/ pub food, TVs streaming games/championships, and actual PCs/gaming
(half-hourly charges).

On Dec 4, 2016 10:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?



I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for
a speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see he
does for 12 hours straight.



What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in
advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?



And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?
Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get
breaks?

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Josh Reynolds]

Think about it this way: it's the first "sport" that has international
reach outside of soccer. It already has more exposure than baseball,
football, etc. The only thing it doesn't come close to is FIFA World
Cup viewership (3.2 Billion in 2014). The barrier to viewership is
that it only requires internet access to YouTube/Twitch - it's
viewership growth does not require some expensive/exclusive sports
Cable package. Baseball, football, boxing, car racing (largely) etc
are all slowly and painfully dying off. The growth is in MMA and
eSports.

Although you "don't get it" (I don't either, largely), the rest of the
world does. Ignore that at your peril :P

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> Despite the amazing popularity, it still does not draw me.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/4/2016 9:47 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> Just to put things into perspective, League of Legends is currently the
> largest competitive scene. The 2015 championships, which was a multi-day
> multi-city bracketed event held in several countries, had over 334 million
> viewers (not counting multiple people watching the same stream). The final
> numbers on the 2016 event aren't in yet. Colleges are giving out
> scholarships for this (no joke).
>
> These events sell out places like the Staples center, and world cup
> stadiums. Madison Square Garden may be next year.
>
> On Dec 4, 2016 11:40 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> Fun, fame, and profit.
>>
>> Some of these YouTube streamers bring in over 150k a year in advertising
>> revenue. Most of these are young kids (preteen), some actually teenagers.
>>
>> Twitch streamers can bring in several hundreds of thousands a year in
>> stream donations.
>>
>> My oldest (17/m) doesn't watch traditional TV. He's unfamiliar, largely,
>> with commercials. Sports on TV? No way. He watches Hulu, Netflix, but mainly
>> YouTube/twitch.
>>
>> There's a new eSports bar going up here in KC. I bet they end up with more
>> net profit in the first year than the local Buffalo Wild Wings. Mix of bar
>> w/ pub food, TVs streaming games/championships, and actual PCs/gaming
>> (half-hourly charges).
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2016 10:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>>
>>> I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for
>>> a speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see he
>>> does for 12 hours straight.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in
>>> advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?
>>> Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get
>>> breaks?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

this would be a good way to re-purpose old gear for one last revenue stream
before disposal. Plus, if youre an owner, particularly if your a dickhead
owner, you can have your techs who are high stressed and want to break your
stuff anyway bring the gear to the room during down time, then charge them
to break it, they essentially just give their paychecks back to you to do
shit they were going to do anyway

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 12:00 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> For a business venture, I liked the article about “anger rooms”:
>
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/26/business/anger-rooms-a-
> smashing-new-way-to-relieve-stress.html
>
>
>
> You rent some warehouse space, obtain a bunch of stuff people can smash,
> and charge by the hour.  I wonder if this is just a post-election fad.  It
> kind of seems timeless.  They mention the scene in Office Space.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 4, 2016 11:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch
>
>
>
> Fun, fame, and profit.
>
>
>
> Some of these YouTube streamers bring in over 150k a year in advertising
> revenue. Most of these are young kids (preteen), some actually teenagers.
>
>
>
> Twitch streamers can bring in several hundreds of thousands a year in
> stream donations.
>
>
>
> My oldest (17/m) doesn't watch traditional TV. He's unfamiliar, largely,
> with commercials. Sports on TV? No way. He watches Hulu, Netflix, but
> mainly YouTube/twitch.
>
>
>
> There's a new eSports bar going up here in KC. I bet they end up with more
> net profit in the first year than the local Buffalo Wild Wings. Mix of bar
> w/ pub food, TVs streaming games/championships, and actual PCs/gaming
> (half-hourly charges).
>
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2016 10:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?
>
>
>
> I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for a
> speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see he
> does for 12 hours straight.
>
>
>
> What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in
> advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?
>
>
>
> And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?
> Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get
> breaks?
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Bill Prince]

Despite the amazing popularity, it still does not draw me.


bp


On 12/4/2016 9:47 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Just to put things into perspective, League of Legends is currently 
the largest competitive scene. The 2015 championships, which was a 
multi-day multi-city bracketed event held in several countries, had 
over 334 million viewers (not counting multiple people watching the 
same stream). The final numbers on the 2016 event aren't in yet. 
Colleges are giving out scholarships for this (no joke).


These events sell out places like the Staples center, and world cup 
stadiums. Madison Square Garden may be next year.


On Dec 4, 2016 11:40 AM, "Josh Reynolds" > wrote:


Fun, fame, and profit.

Some of these YouTube streamers bring in over 150k a year in
advertising revenue. Most of these are young kids (preteen), some
actually teenagers.

Twitch streamers can bring in several hundreds of thousands a year
in stream donations.

My oldest (17/m) doesn't watch traditional TV. He's unfamiliar,
largely, with commercials. Sports on TV? No way. He watches Hulu,
Netflix, but mainly YouTube/twitch.

There's a new eSports bar going up here in KC. I bet they end up
with more net profit in the first year than the local Buffalo Wild
Wings. Mix of bar w/ pub food, TVs streaming games/championships,
and actual PCs/gaming (half-hourly charges).

On Dec 4, 2016 10:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof" > wrote:

I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain
Twitch to me?

I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is
over) for a speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can
broadcast.  Which I see he does for 12 hours straight.

What is the appeal?  Fun? Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring
in advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?

And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours
straight? Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and
Doritos?  Or do they get breaks?

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Ken Hohhof]

For a business venture, I liked the article about “anger rooms”:

 

 

 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/26/business/anger-rooms-a-smashing-new-way-to-relieve-stress.html

 

You rent some warehouse space, obtain a bunch of stuff people can smash, and 
charge by the hour.  I wonder if this is just a post-election fad.  It kind of 
seems timeless.  They mention the scene in Office Space.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 11:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

 

Fun, fame, and profit.

 

Some of these YouTube streamers bring in over 150k a year in advertising 
revenue. Most of these are young kids (preteen), some actually teenagers.

 

Twitch streamers can bring in several hundreds of thousands a year in stream 
donations.

 

My oldest (17/m) doesn't watch traditional TV. He's unfamiliar, largely, with 
commercials. Sports on TV? No way. He watches Hulu, Netflix, but mainly 
YouTube/twitch.

 

There's a new eSports bar going up here in KC. I bet they end up with more net 
profit in the first year than the local Buffalo Wild Wings. Mix of bar w/ pub 
food, TVs streaming games/championships, and actual PCs/gaming (half-hourly 
charges).

 

On Dec 4, 2016 10:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  
> wrote:

I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?

 

I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for a 
speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see he does 
for 12 hours straight.

 

What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in advertising 
money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?

 

And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?  Astronaut 
diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get breaks?

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Josh Reynolds]

Just to put things into perspective, League of Legends is currently the
largest competitive scene. The 2015 championships, which was a multi-day
multi-city bracketed event held in several countries, had over 334 million
viewers (not counting multiple people watching the same stream). The final
numbers on the 2016 event aren't in yet. Colleges are giving out
scholarships for this (no joke).

These events sell out places like the Staples center, and world cup
stadiums. Madison Square Garden may be next year.

On Dec 4, 2016 11:40 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Fun, fame, and profit.
>
> Some of these YouTube streamers bring in over 150k a year in advertising
> revenue. Most of these are young kids (preteen), some actually teenagers.
>
> Twitch streamers can bring in several hundreds of thousands a year in
> stream donations.
>
> My oldest (17/m) doesn't watch traditional TV. He's unfamiliar, largely,
> with commercials. Sports on TV? No way. He watches Hulu, Netflix, but
> mainly YouTube/twitch.
>
> There's a new eSports bar going up here in KC. I bet they end up with more
> net profit in the first year than the local Buffalo Wild Wings. Mix of bar
> w/ pub food, TVs streaming games/championships, and actual PCs/gaming
> (half-hourly charges).
>
> On Dec 4, 2016 10:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for
>> a speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see he
>> does for 12 hours straight.
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in
>> advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?
>>
>>
>>
>> And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?
>> Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get
>> breaks?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

[Chuck McCown]

Problem is, botulism spores are literally everywhere, nobody is immune, and if 
you get it you spend months in an iron lung.  
Literally botoxes the muscles that you use to  breathe.  

I just learned that a chemical derived from horseradish (horseradish 
peroxidase) is used to detect botulism poisoning.  

Just suggesting that before you stop using vinegar, you find out if the spores 
will multiply in ground raw horseradish.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 10:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

while we were making this we we eating venison jerky from bambi who had been 
walking around eating old corn just 24 hours prior, and radishes we sterilized 
with our pantlegs. I think that families like mine have a natural immune 
protection from alot of those nasty bugs because we are exposed to them 
constantly from the point we are riding around in our dads pants and 
occasionally showing up as a glimmer in his eye, through our uterine vacation, 
and all through our childhood. We fight over the cow blood left on the plate 
after steak, test hamburger raw (we arent savages, we put salt on it like 
civilized people). i think alot of these nasty bugs that go around only kill 
people who wear skinny jeans

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Gotta have a pH of 4.6 or lower to prevent botulism growth if you are not 
heat packing it.  The vinegar is doing that trick for you but olive oil will 
not.  
  Perhaps it has some natural anti botulism properties, but worth doing some 
research on.  

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 10:07 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

  we put a couple tons of horse manure on it every year, I assume theres a good 
chance for alot of bacteria issues. I did however just found out its also 
considered an aphrodisiac 

  On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Any chance of  botulism?

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

that is a sound idea, that may preserve it!! this list!

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:

  you should also try putting a small batch of it in olive oil :)

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 11:18:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

primarily a condiment, me and the kids eat it like a snack. Normally 
its ground with vinegar. Its a semi hard root, scrub it up, grind it to a pulp. 
We grind it every fall, but are still trying to find a way to preserve the 
kick, it loses it over time and when frozen, this year is the first year we 
packaged some dry with no vinegar, hoping it keeps the kick, also dropped way 
back on the vinegar.


On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jay Weekley 
 wrote:

  It's for sauces?

  That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

I have a root for grating as needed, we packed a bunch of dry 
ground, most of it was straight vinegar blend, then a garlic blend, the sweet 
potato is actually habanero garlic blend, the greeinish is ghost pepper. and 
that jug is the runoff brine mix of it all, very hot, but will be the base for 
a buffalo sauce, it will melt faces, i probably wont eat those wings

the habanero horseradish is out of sight. the vinegar tamed the 
heat but left the flavor, still spicy, but more of the flavor of the pepper 
embedded in horseradish, so good

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 5:41 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:

I'm good at efficiently packing and eyeballing quantity because 
of
previous work experience

On Dec 3, 2016 1:41 PM, "Ken Hohhof" > wrote:

I’m reporting you to Homeland Security.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
/sarcasm
*Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2016 1:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

4 gallons dry ground horseradish. yum




-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team 

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Josh Reynolds]

Fun, fame, and profit.

Some of these YouTube streamers bring in over 150k a year in advertising
revenue. Most of these are young kids (preteen), some actually teenagers.

Twitch streamers can bring in several hundreds of thousands a year in
stream donations.

My oldest (17/m) doesn't watch traditional TV. He's unfamiliar, largely,
with commercials. Sports on TV? No way. He watches Hulu, Netflix, but
mainly YouTube/twitch.

There's a new eSports bar going up here in KC. I bet they end up with more
net profit in the first year than the local Buffalo Wild Wings. Mix of bar
w/ pub food, TVs streaming games/championships, and actual PCs/gaming
(half-hourly charges).

On Dec 4, 2016 10:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?
>
>
>
> I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for a
> speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see he
> does for 12 hours straight.
>
>
>
> What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in
> advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?
>
>
>
> And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?
> Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get
> breaks?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

while we were making this we we eating venison jerky from bambi who had
been walking around eating old corn just 24 hours prior, and radishes we
sterilized with our pantlegs. I think that families like mine have a
natural immune protection from alot of those nasty bugs because we are
exposed to them constantly from the point we are riding around in our dads
pants and occasionally showing up as a glimmer in his eye, through our
uterine vacation, and all through our childhood. We fight over the cow
blood left on the plate after steak, test hamburger raw (we arent savages,
we put salt on it like civilized people). i think alot of these nasty bugs
that go around only kill people who wear skinny jeans

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Gotta have a pH of 4.6 or lower to prevent botulism growth if you are not
> heat packing it.  The vinegar is doing that trick for you but olive oil
> will not.
> Perhaps it has some natural anti botulism properties, but worth doing some
> research on.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 04, 2016 10:07 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse
>
> we put a couple tons of horse manure on it every year, I assume theres a
> good chance for alot of bacteria issues. I did however just found out its
> also considered an aphrodisiac
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Any chance of  botulism?
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 04, 2016 9:52 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse
>>
>> that is a sound idea, that may preserve it!! this list!
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> you should also try putting a small batch of it in olive oil :)
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Saturday, December 3, 2016 11:18:19 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse
>>>
>>> primarily a condiment, me and the kids eat it like a snack. Normally its
>>> ground with vinegar. Its a semi hard root, scrub it up, grind it to a pulp.
>>> We grind it every fall, but are still trying to find a way to preserve the
>>> kick, it loses it over time and when frozen, this year is the first year we
>>> packaged some dry with no vinegar, hoping it keeps the kick, also dropped
>>> way back on the vinegar.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jay Weekley 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It's for sauces?

 That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

> I have a root for grating as needed, we packed a bunch of dry ground,
> most of it was straight vinegar blend, then a garlic blend, the sweet
> potato is actually habanero garlic blend, the greeinish is ghost pepper.
> and that jug is the runoff brine mix of it all, very hot, but will be the
> base for a buffalo sauce, it will melt faces, i probably wont eat those
> wings
>
> the habanero horseradish is out of sight. the vinegar tamed the heat
> but left the flavor, still spicy, but more of the flavor of the pepper
> embedded in horseradish, so good
>
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 5:41 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> I'm good at efficiently packing and eyeballing quantity because of
> previous work experience
>
> On Dec 3, 2016 1:41 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  > wrote:
>
> I’m reporting you to Homeland Security.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2016 1:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse
>
> 4 gallons dry ground horseradish. yum
>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
> Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4664/13530 - Release Date:
> 12/03/16
>
>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself 

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Jaime Solorza]

I was serious

On Dec 4, 2016 10:09 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> I think you’re having some fun with me, but just in case, I was referring
> to twitch.tv.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 4, 2016 10:47 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch
>
>
>
> my son developed a nervous twitch when he played Nintendo as a kid..  .I
> put station away for years and it went away.   Now as a father of four, he
> started to play with them on PS... Twitch came back so he stopped.
>  Watching his kids for symptoms.
>
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2016 9:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?
>
>
>
> I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for a
> speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see he
> does for 12 hours straight.
>
>
>
> What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in
> advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?
>
>
>
> And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?
> Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get
> breaks?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

[Ken Hohhof]

Is that why it’s called “horse” radish?

 

And what about Arby’s “Horsey Sauce”?  Is there even any horseradish in it?  
Seems like plain mayo.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 11:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

 

we put a couple tons of horse manure on it every year, I assume theres a good 
chance for alot of bacteria issues. I did however just found out its also 
considered an aphrodisiac 

 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

Any chance of  botulism?

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 9:52 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

 

that is a sound idea, that may preserve it!! this list!

 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  > wrote:

you should also try putting a small batch of it in olive oil :)

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232  

Help-desk: (305)663-5518   Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net  

 


  _  


From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 11:18:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

primarily a condiment, me and the kids eat it like a snack. Normally its ground 
with vinegar. Its a semi hard root, scrub it up, grind it to a pulp. We grind 
it every fall, but are still trying to find a way to preserve the kick, it 
loses it over time and when frozen, this year is the first year we packaged 
some dry with no vinegar, hoping it keeps the kick, also dropped way back on 
the vinegar.

 

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jay Weekley  > wrote:

It's for sauces?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

I have a root for grating as needed, we packed a bunch of dry ground, most of 
it was straight vinegar blend, then a garlic blend, the sweet potato is 
actually habanero garlic blend, the greeinish is ghost pepper. and that jug is 
the runoff brine mix of it all, very hot, but will be the base for a buffalo 
sauce, it will melt faces, i probably wont eat those wings

the habanero horseradish is out of sight. the vinegar tamed the heat but left 
the flavor, still spicy, but more of the flavor of the pepper embedded in 
horseradish, so good

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 5:41 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 
> wrote:

I'm good at efficiently packing and eyeballing quantity because of
previous work experience

On Dec 3, 2016 1:41 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  
> wrote:

I’m reporting you to Homeland Security.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  
] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
/sarcasm
*Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2016 1:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com   
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

4 gallons dry ground horseradish. yum




-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com   
Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4664/13530 - Release Date: 12/03/16

 




-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I think this would be a good starting point... 

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/082115/how-twitchtv-works-and-its-business-model.asp
 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 11:54:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

> my niece does twitch streaming, starts at like 10pm and goes til like 9 am. 
> she
> is poor, so i dont think its about the money, but it does use all the 
> available
> bandwidth, so i have her on a 2mb queue upload, she never complains

> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com >
> wrote:

>> my son developed a nervous twitch when he played Nintendo as a kid.. .I put
>> station away for years and it went away. Now as a father of four, he started 
>> to
>> play with them on PS... Twitch came back so he stopped. Watching his kids for
>> symptoms.

>> On Dec 4, 2016 9:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > wrote:

>>> I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?

>>> I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for a 
>>> speed
>>> tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast. Which I see he does for 12
>>> hours straight.

>>> What is the appeal? Fun? Fame? Or profit? Does this bring in advertising 
>>> money?
>>> Enough to make it worthwhile?

>>> And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight? Astronaut
>>> diapers? Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos? Or do they get breaks?

> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part
> of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

[Chuck McCown]

Gotta have a pH of 4.6 or lower to prevent botulism growth if you are not heat 
packing it.  The vinegar is doing that trick for you but olive oil will not.  
Perhaps it has some natural anti botulism properties, but worth doing some 
research on.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

we put a couple tons of horse manure on it every year, I assume theres a good 
chance for alot of bacteria issues. I did however just found out its also 
considered an aphrodisiac 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Any chance of  botulism?

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 9:52 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

  that is a sound idea, that may preserve it!! this list!

  On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:

you should also try putting a small batch of it in olive oil :)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 11:18:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

  primarily a condiment, me and the kids eat it like a snack. Normally its 
ground with vinegar. Its a semi hard root, scrub it up, grind it to a pulp. We 
grind it every fall, but are still trying to find a way to preserve the kick, 
it loses it over time and when frozen, this year is the first year we packaged 
some dry with no vinegar, hoping it keeps the kick, also dropped way back on 
the vinegar.


  On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jay Weekley  
wrote:

It's for sauces?

That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

  I have a root for grating as needed, we packed a bunch of dry ground, 
most of it was straight vinegar blend, then a garlic blend, the sweet potato is 
actually habanero garlic blend, the greeinish is ghost pepper. and that jug is 
the runoff brine mix of it all, very hot, but will be the base for a buffalo 
sauce, it will melt faces, i probably wont eat those wings

  the habanero horseradish is out of sight. the vinegar tamed the heat 
but left the flavor, still spicy, but more of the flavor of the pepper embedded 
in horseradish, so good

  On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 5:41 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:

  I'm good at efficiently packing and eyeballing quantity because of
  previous work experience

  On Dec 3, 2016 1:41 PM, "Ken Hohhof" > wrote:

  I’m reporting you to Homeland Security.

  *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
  ] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
  /sarcasm
  *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2016 1:30 PM
  *To:* af@afmug.com 
  *Subject:* [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

  4 gallons dry ground horseradish. yum




  -- 
  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

  No virus found in this message.
  Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
  Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4664/13530 - Release Date: 
12/03/16







  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.






  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Colin Stanners]

It's just kids hanging out with friends to play games and joke around, but
they don't want to leave the house, so they do it via videostreaming and so
consume lots of bandwidth.

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?
>
>
>
> I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for a
> speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see he
> does for 12 hours straight.
>
>
>
> What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in
> advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?
>
>
>
> And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?
> Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get
> breaks?
>

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Ken Hohhof]

I think you’re having some fun with me, but just in case, I was referring to 
twitch.tv.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 10:47 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

 

my son developed a nervous twitch when he played Nintendo as a kid..  .I put 
station away for years and it went away.   Now as a father of four, he started 
to play with them on PS... Twitch came back so he stopped.Watching his kids 
for symptoms. 

 

On Dec 4, 2016 9:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  
> wrote:

I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?

 

I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for a 
speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see he does 
for 12 hours straight.

 

What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in advertising 
money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?

 

And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?  Astronaut 
diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get breaks?

Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

we put a couple tons of horse manure on it every year, I assume theres a
good chance for alot of bacteria issues. I did however just found out its
also considered an aphrodisiac

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Any chance of  botulism?
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 04, 2016 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse
>
> that is a sound idea, that may preserve it!! this list!
>
> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> you should also try putting a small batch of it in olive oil :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Saturday, December 3, 2016 11:18:19 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse
>>
>> primarily a condiment, me and the kids eat it like a snack. Normally its
>> ground with vinegar. Its a semi hard root, scrub it up, grind it to a pulp.
>> We grind it every fall, but are still trying to find a way to preserve the
>> kick, it loses it over time and when frozen, this year is the first year we
>> packaged some dry with no vinegar, hoping it keeps the kick, also dropped
>> way back on the vinegar.
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jay Weekley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's for sauces?
>>>
>>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>>
 I have a root for grating as needed, we packed a bunch of dry ground,
 most of it was straight vinegar blend, then a garlic blend, the sweet
 potato is actually habanero garlic blend, the greeinish is ghost pepper.
 and that jug is the runoff brine mix of it all, very hot, but will be the
 base for a buffalo sauce, it will melt faces, i probably wont eat those
 wings

 the habanero horseradish is out of sight. the vinegar tamed the heat
 but left the flavor, still spicy, but more of the flavor of the pepper
 embedded in horseradish, so good

 On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 5:41 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:

 I'm good at efficiently packing and eyeballing quantity because of
 previous work experience

 On Dec 3, 2016 1:41 PM, "Ken Hohhof" > wrote:

 I’m reporting you to Homeland Security.

 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
 ] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
 /sarcasm
 *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2016 1:30 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com 
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

 4 gallons dry ground horseradish. yum




 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 No virus found in this message.
 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
 Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4664/13530 - Release Date:
 12/03/16


>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Simon Westlake]

I would say all of the above. The top twitch streamers don't make a 
fortune, but it often leads to appearances in other gaming events that 
they get paid for.


There isn't a lot to understand if you just view it like a job. How do 
people work in a factory for 12 hours? If you're popular on twitch, you 
can definitely make more than minimum wage, and you get to play video 
games all day.


I don't watch it, and I don't really understand why it's interesting to 
people, but it is..


On 12/4/2016 10:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?

I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) 
for a speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I 
see he does for 12 hours straight.


What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in 
advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?


And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?  
Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get 
breaks?




--
Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

[AFMUG] ot:time killer

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

this guy
really
on a shitty day at work i stroll over for a review and the day gets better
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCeE3lj6pLX_gCd0Yvns517Q

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Chuck McCown]

Wasn’t that when Miley Cyrus shook her  butt?

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 9:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

my niece does twitch streaming, starts at like 10pm and goes til like 9 am. she 
is poor, so i dont think its about the money, but it does use all the available 
bandwidth, so i have her on a 2mb queue upload, she never complains 

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  my son developed a nervous twitch when he played Nintendo as a kid..  .I put 
station away for years and it went away.   Now as a father of four, he started 
to play with them on PS... Twitch came back so he stopped.Watching his kids 
for symptoms. 

  On Dec 4, 2016 9:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?



I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for a 
speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see he does 
for 12 hours straight.



What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in 
advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?



And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?  
Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get breaks?





-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

[Chuck McCown]

Any chance of  botulism?

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

that is a sound idea, that may preserve it!! this list!

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

  you should also try putting a small batch of it in olive oil :)

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 11:18:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

primarily a condiment, me and the kids eat it like a snack. Normally its 
ground with vinegar. Its a semi hard root, scrub it up, grind it to a pulp. We 
grind it every fall, but are still trying to find a way to preserve the kick, 
it loses it over time and when frozen, this year is the first year we packaged 
some dry with no vinegar, hoping it keeps the kick, also dropped way back on 
the vinegar.


On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jay Weekley  
wrote:

  It's for sauces?

  That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

I have a root for grating as needed, we packed a bunch of dry ground, 
most of it was straight vinegar blend, then a garlic blend, the sweet potato is 
actually habanero garlic blend, the greeinish is ghost pepper. and that jug is 
the runoff brine mix of it all, very hot, but will be the base for a buffalo 
sauce, it will melt faces, i probably wont eat those wings

the habanero horseradish is out of sight. the vinegar tamed the heat 
but left the flavor, still spicy, but more of the flavor of the pepper embedded 
in horseradish, so good

On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 5:41 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:

I'm good at efficiently packing and eyeballing quantity because of
previous work experience

On Dec 3, 2016 1:41 PM, "Ken Hohhof" > wrote:

I’m reporting you to Homeland Security.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
/sarcasm
*Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2016 1:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

4 gallons dry ground horseradish. yum




-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4664/13530 - Release Date: 
12/03/16







-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.






-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Something fun for your Sunday

[Chuck McCown]

They run the tests for days.  And some of them do not use lithium.  

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 9:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Something fun for your Sunday

isn't this also one of the  possible factor in the Lithium-ion batteries having 
a meltdown ?

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 10:11:31 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Something fun for your Sunday

  Assuming PDFs make it to the list.  I am thinking perhaps they don’t. 

Re: [AFMUG] generator fuel

[George Skorup]

Take a Generac 80kW 3ph with the 5.4L V8 at 3600 RPM. At 100% load, that 
thing uses 1.25M BTU/Hr. And their 100kW 3ph with the 6.8L V10 @ 2300 
RPM uses 1.26M BTU/Hr. Which is actually rated at 94kW. Around here we 
can get 500k BTU/2 PSI meters. >1M BTU/hr actual load bumps you out of 
residential territory. So my guess is you'd probably want 5 PSI delivery 
if you can get it. But I'm just an internet idiot, so you should 
probably talk to your gas co and a plumber and find out exactly how much 
pressure and volume you can actually get.


On 12/3/2016 10:02 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I will have to ask.  100 kW generator will probably take 300 kW or 1M 
BTU. A bit more than a home, but I think my furnaces and my ovens and 
my cooktop would be a half million if all on at the same time.  My 
main shop is 2M.


-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2016 9:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] generator fuel

Yeah, I was just wondering whether the gas pipe will deliver the volume
that you need to keep the genny running.

They might not have planned on your proposed consumption when they laid
the pipes.


-- Original Message --
From: "Robert" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/2/2016 10:55:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] generator fuel


Are you getting the NG delivered by pipe?

On 12/2/16 5:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I am assuming a BTU of fuel will make so many Wh of energy.

If perfectly efficient 1M BTU =292.3 kWh
That would cost me *$35* from the power utility.

A gallon of diesel is abou $3.25 around here.  139000 btu.
Diesel then is about $23 per 1M btu.
However diesel engines are only 30% efficient so it will cost me *$76*
in fuel to make that 292.3 kWh

If that assumption is approximately correct:
I pay about $7.80 per decatherm in the winter for NG.  A decatherm is 1
million btu
About half that in summer.

$7.80/.3= *$26*/293.3 kWh for NG not considering depreciation and maint
of the generator.

It seems to me that NG is the hands down fuel cost winner? Anyone see
mistakes in this?

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

my niece does twitch streaming, starts at like 10pm and goes til like 9 am.
she is poor, so i dont think its about the money, but it does use all the
available bandwidth, so i have her on a 2mb queue upload, she never
complains

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> my son developed a nervous twitch when he played Nintendo as a kid..  .I
> put station away for years and it went away.   Now as a father of four, he
> started to play with them on PS... Twitch came back so he stopped.
>  Watching his kids for symptoms.
>
> On Dec 4, 2016 9:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for
>> a speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see he
>> does for 12 hours straight.
>>
>>
>>
>> What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in
>> advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?
>>
>>
>>
>> And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?
>> Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get
>> breaks?
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

that is a sound idea, that may preserve it!! this list!

On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> you should also try putting a small batch of it in olive oil :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, December 3, 2016 11:18:19 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse
>
> primarily a condiment, me and the kids eat it like a snack. Normally its
> ground with vinegar. Its a semi hard root, scrub it up, grind it to a pulp.
> We grind it every fall, but are still trying to find a way to preserve the
> kick, it loses it over time and when frozen, this year is the first year we
> packaged some dry with no vinegar, hoping it keeps the kick, also dropped
> way back on the vinegar.
>
> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
>> It's for sauces?
>>
>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>>> I have a root for grating as needed, we packed a bunch of dry ground,
>>> most of it was straight vinegar blend, then a garlic blend, the sweet
>>> potato is actually habanero garlic blend, the greeinish is ghost pepper.
>>> and that jug is the runoff brine mix of it all, very hot, but will be the
>>> base for a buffalo sauce, it will melt faces, i probably wont eat those
>>> wings
>>>
>>> the habanero horseradish is out of sight. the vinegar tamed the heat but
>>> left the flavor, still spicy, but more of the flavor of the pepper embedded
>>> in horseradish, so good
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 5:41 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm good at efficiently packing and eyeballing quantity because of
>>> previous work experience
>>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2016 1:41 PM, "Ken Hohhof" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m reporting you to Homeland Security.
>>>
>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>> ] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>>> /sarcasm
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2016 1:30 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse
>>>
>>> 4 gallons dry ground horseradish. yum
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>> No virus found in this message.
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
>>> Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4664/13530 - Release Date:
>>> 12/03/16
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Jaime Solorza]

my son developed a nervous twitch when he played Nintendo as a kid..  .I
put station away for years and it went away.   Now as a father of four, he
started to play with them on PS... Twitch came back so he stopped.
 Watching his kids for symptoms.

On Dec 4, 2016 9:39 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?
>
>
>
> I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for a
> speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see he
> does for 12 hours straight.
>
>
>
> What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in
> advertising money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?
>
>
>
> And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?
> Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get
> breaks?
>

Re: [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's future? |MobileSyrup.com

[Faisal Imtiaz]

this has been a feature on tmobile for a very long time.. . 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 11:24:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's future?
> |MobileSyrup.com

> I have already taken support calls from customers using this instead of a
> femtocell. I think it was Sprint and the app was flaky, incoming calls went to
> voicemail. And it means the customer has crappy cellular coverage at their
> house so they use WiFi calling but they have crappy WiFi, and whose fault is
> all this? Their ISP, of course. Just like when your smart fridge doesn’t tell
> Amazon you’re out of eggs, who you gonna call? Your ISP. It’s always our 
> fault.

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 10:18 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's future?
> |MobileSyrup.com

> AT is doing this with their WiFi calling. I believe that Verizon is also 
> doing
> a roll-out of something similar. Once implemented, it will be the end of
> femtocells.

> bp
> 

> On 12/4/2016 7:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

>> Key to the cell industry saving money...

>> From: Jaime Solorza

>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 8:36 AM

>> To: Animal Farm

>> Subject: [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's future?
>> |MobileSyrup.com

>> http://mobilesyrup.com/2016/12/03/what-is-vowifi-and-is-it-key-to-freedom-mobiles-future/

Re: [AFMUG] OT Something fun for your Sunday

[Faisal Imtiaz]

isn't this also one of the possible factor in the Lithium-ion batteries having 
a meltdown ? 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 10:11:31 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Something fun for your Sunday

> Assuming PDFs make it to the list. I am thinking perhaps they don’t.

[AFMUG] explain Twitch

[Ken Hohhof]

I was born without the gaming gene, so can someone explain Twitch to me?

 

I have a customer spending a lot of money (now that harvest is over) for a
speed tier with 5 Mbps of upstream so he can broadcast.  Which I see he does
for 12 hours straight.

 

What is the appeal?  Fun?  Fame?  Or profit?  Does this bring in advertising
money?  Enough to make it worthwhile?

 

And how does someone stream their game play for 12 hours straight?
Astronaut diapers?  Lots of Mountain Dew and Doritos?  Or do they get
breaks?

Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

[Faisal Imtiaz]

you should also try putting a small batch of it in olive oil :) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 11:18:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

> primarily a condiment, me and the kids eat it like a snack. Normally its 
> ground
> with vinegar. Its a semi hard root, scrub it up, grind it to a pulp. We grind
> it every fall, but are still trying to find a way to preserve the kick, it
> loses it over time and when frozen, this year is the first year we packaged
> some dry with no vinegar, hoping it keeps the kick, also dropped way back on
> the vinegar.

> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Jay Weekley < par...@cyberbroadband.net >
> wrote:

>> It's for sauces?

>> That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

>>> I have a root for grating as needed, we packed a bunch of dry ground, most 
>>> of it
>>> was straight vinegar blend, then a garlic blend, the sweet potato is 
>>> actually
>>> habanero garlic blend, the greeinish is ghost pepper. and that jug is the
>>> runoff brine mix of it all, very hot, but will be the base for a buffalo 
>>> sauce,
>>> it will melt faces, i probably wont eat those wings

>>> the habanero horseradish is out of sight. the vinegar tamed the heat but 
>>> left
>>> the flavor, still spicy, but more of the flavor of the pepper embedded in
>>> horseradish, so good

>>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 5:41 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote:

>>> I'm good at efficiently packing and eyeballing quantity because of
>>> previous work experience

>>> On Dec 3, 2016 1:41 PM, "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com
>>> > wrote:

>>> I’m reporting you to Homeland Security.

>>> *From:*Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com
>>> ] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>>> /sarcasm
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2016 1:30 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

>>> 4 gallons dry ground horseradish. yum

>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
>>> part
>>> of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>> No virus found in this message.
>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com < http://www.avg.com >
>>> Version: 2016.0.7924 / Virus Database: 4664/13530 - Release Date: 12/03/16

> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part
> of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Not surprising...

There are different affects which are described as heat/hot food.

Horseradish / Mustard seed oil / Wasabi they all tingle on the tongue and can 
give a 'head expolsion' with pretty much zero affect on the digestive system.

Peppers / they give burn on the tongue / mouth  and can cause a various degree 
of 'colon cleansing' effect on the digestive system. (also increase blood 
circulation).

Spices / they are aromatic, burn on the back of the throat, can possibly offer 
one reminders during the night with heart burn, and have a whole range of 
affects on the digestive system.
 
Each has it's place, depending on what kind of food you are serving it with... 

I cannot imagine eating sushi with hot peppers, at the same time I cannot 
imagine having hot chili with Wasbi...Hmmm hot chili with a dab of mustard seed 
oil... H I am getting hungry...

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Robert" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 9:38:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

> Somehow I am weird, I can take straight horseradish but can't take
> peppers...
> 
> On 12/3/16 4:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Holy cow, habanero horseradish.  Biological and chemical weapon...
>>
>> I love horseradish mixed with sour cream and then on prime rib and baked
>> potatoes but not a big fan of taking it full strength.
>> I can take the heat of peppers but not horse radish or wasabi.
>>
>> One use of straight horseradish is for cocktail sauce for shrimp.
>> Catsup, horse radish, dry yellow Coleman's mustard, lemon juice, Tabasco
>> sauce.  As good as or better than you will get from a restaurant or
>> supermarket.
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2016 4:48 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse
>>
>> I have a root for grating as needed, we packed a bunch of dry ground,
>> most of it was straight vinegar blend, then a garlic blend, the sweet
>> potato is actually habanero garlic blend, the greeinish is ghost pepper.
>> and that jug is the runoff brine mix of it all, very hot, but will be
>> the base for a buffalo sauce, it will melt faces, i probably wont eat
>> those wings
>>
>> the habanero horseradish is out of sight. the vinegar tamed the heat but
>> left the flavor, still spicy, but more of the flavor of the pepper
>> embedded in horseradish, so good
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 5:41 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I'm good at efficiently packing and eyeballing quantity because of
>> previous work experience
>>
>> On Dec 3, 2016 1:41 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>> I’m reporting you to Homeland Security.
>>
>> 
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One
>> Guy /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2016 1:30 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse
>>
>> 
>>
>> 4 gallons dry ground horseradish. yum
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's future? |MobileSyrup.com

[Ken Hohhof]

I have already taken support calls from customers using this instead of a 
femtocell.  I think it was Sprint and the app was flaky, incoming calls went to 
voicemail.  And it means the customer has crappy cellular coverage at their 
house so they use WiFi calling but they have crappy WiFi, and whose fault is 
all this?  Their ISP, of course.  Just like when your smart fridge doesn’t tell 
Amazon you’re out of eggs, who you gonna call?  Your ISP.  It’s always our 
fault.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 10:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's future? 
|MobileSyrup.com

 

AT is doing this with their WiFi calling. I believe that Verizon is also 
doing a roll-out of something similar. Once implemented, it will be the end of 
femtocells.

 

bp

 

On 12/4/2016 7:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Key to the cell industry saving money...

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 8:36 AM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's future? 
|MobileSyrup.com

 

http://mobilesyrup.com/2016/12/03/what-is-vowifi-and-is-it-key-to-freedom-mobiles-future/

 

Re: [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's future? |MobileSyrup.com

[Bill Prince]

AT is doing this with their WiFi calling. I believe that Verizon is 
also doing a roll-out of something similar. Once implemented, it will be 
the end of femtocells.



bp


On 12/4/2016 7:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Key to the cell industry saving money...
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Sunday, December 04, 2016 8:36 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's 
future? |MobileSyrup.com

http://mobilesyrup.com/2016/12/03/what-is-vowifi-and-is-it-key-to-freedom-mobiles-future/

Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

[Bill Prince]

It's funny. I love hot peppers and our cupboard typically has 3 or 4 
different kinds of hot/pepper sauce. My wife doesn't like any of this 
stuff, and says simply that "food should not hurt". I can't argue with 
that, but my simple theory is that it must be some kind of caveman in me 
that I need the food to fight me. I crave the stuff.


OTOH, I don't really care for horseradish. When we eat steak, my wife 
likes to eat it with horseradish. Not me, I am more of a steak purist; I 
like my steaks straight up without a lot of dressing of any kind.


I might change my mind with a horseradish/habanero blend.

bp


On 12/3/2016 4:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Holy cow, habanero horseradish.  Biological and chemical weapon...
I love horseradish mixed with sour cream and then on prime rib and 
baked potatoes but not a big fan of taking it full strength.

I can take the heat of peppers but not horse radish or wasabi.
One use of straight horseradish is for cocktail sauce for shrimp.  
Catsup, horse radish, dry yellow Coleman's mustard, lemon juice, 
Tabasco sauce.  As good as or better than you will get from a 
restaurant or supermarket.

*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2016 4:48 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse
I have a root for grating as needed, we packed a bunch of dry ground, 
most of it was straight vinegar blend, then a garlic blend, the sweet 
potato is actually habanero garlic blend, the greeinish is ghost 
pepper. and that jug is the runoff brine mix of it all, very hot, but 
will be the base for a buffalo sauce, it will melt faces, i probably 
wont eat those wings
the habanero horseradish is out of sight. the vinegar tamed the heat 
but left the flavor, still spicy, but more of the flavor of the pepper 
embedded in horseradish, so good
On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 5:41 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:


I'm good at efficiently packing and eyeballing quantity because of
previous work experience
On Dec 3, 2016 1:41 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

I’m reporting you to Homeland Security.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That
One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2016 1:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Saturday Sinus cleanse

4 gallons dry ground horseradish. yum



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's future? |MobileSyrup.com

[Chuck McCown]

Key to the cell industry saving money...

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 8:36 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's future? 
|MobileSyrup.com

http://mobilesyrup.com/2016/12/03/what-is-vowifi-and-is-it-key-to-freedom-mobiles-future/

[AFMUG] What is VoWiFi and is it key to Freedom Mobile's future? | MobileSyrup.com

[Jaime Solorza]

http://mobilesyrup.com/2016/12/03/what-is-vowifi-and-is-it-key-to-freedom-mobiles-future/

[AFMUG] 5G Spectrum Sharing Brings Innovations | Light Reading

[Jaime Solorza]

http://www.lightreading.com/mobile/5g/5g-spectrum-sharing-brings-innovations/a/d-id/728729?f_src=lightreading_editorspicks_rss_latest_editors_picks=true