[AFMUG] Friday Fun - Connecting your SuperEvent

[Ray Savich]

Share your story on a Super Event you connected 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Friday-Fun/February-03-2017-What-s-Your-Super-Event/m-p/68150#U68150

Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

[Mike Hammett]

Are you asking about PtP or a coverage map? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 4:16:07 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth 


i used to do this all the time, now i cant remember how. Im plotting for 
midpoint scouting. I need to put it on a kml for the guy to go to the target 
areas marking structures. being able to interact in google earth is a 
requirement and there are other specifics 


if i recall correctly there was an google earth update that was going to break 
the kmz overlay option, but that was a long time ago 


-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in Different Markets

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I thought Powercode FCC 477 export was broken and full of erros as another
recent thread indicated? Also Powercode needs to have two sets of speeds in
each plan, one being FCC export reported speed, and the other being the
actual rate limited speed. Then I wouldn't have to tweak the export since I
like to rate limit at 110% of their plan speed.

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Christopher,
>
> FCC basically wants advertised plan rates which makes the whole thing BS,
> but what else are you going to do? I guess they assume you aren't
> advertising more than you can actually deliver. Taking the speed at each
> customer location is somewhat impractical for such purposes unless you just
> do a one time test and call it that forever. The FCC doesn't really have a
> way to report a "variable" rate plan. I have a customer who goes through
> this every year. He runs everything wide open and has data caps. So he lets
> you get as much "speed" as your radio can handle but bills for overages
> every month. He ends up doing a speed test on install and putting that into
> the "baseline" info for the customer and we use those numbers for the 477
> grouping them together into as few "buckets" as possible. So it can be
> done, but it takes more effort and is certainly not "traditional".
>
> Cameron
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Christopher Gray <
> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>
>> An exported form is only as good as the data entered. I export from Sonar
>> with no problem, but I go through a decent amount of effort to define a
>> long list of services to match each speed available, and it is getting a
>> little out of hand.
>>
>> When selling capacity, not speed, how do you rate your speed for your
>> 477? The max it could be? The lowest you'd ever expect? How do you define a
>> speed in your billing system for the 477 if the speed is variable?
>>
>> I see now that my biggest problem seems to be having 2 variables with
>> each product (price and speed... my "standard" product has speeds ranging
>> from 1.5 to 10 and prices ranging from $50 to $73). I think I just need to
>> simplify the product offering by fixing one of the variables, and possibly
>> have a zip code entry to view the available products. Half of my network is
>> 50% more expensive to operate than the other half, so there are significant
>> price differences between some areas.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:36 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> EXPORT-FORM 477
>>> LITERALLY THAT SIMPLE
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Christopher Gray <
>>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>>
 How do you keep track of speeds for your 477?



 On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

> We just have the same set of plans (with names, rather than speeds)
> with the same prices everywhere, and the speeds set differently depending
> on the area - so if you're in an area where we can cover you with ePMP 
> 5ghz
> half a mile from our office, you'll get a vastly different speed than if
> you're out in the middle of nowhere where we can only cover you with 
> 900mhz
> FSK from a tower with a grand total of 5 customers on it, but for billing
> purposes the plan is the same. The only way to find out what the actual
> speed is going to be in any given area is to ask us.
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> The other way is to define different service options and say that not
>> all options are available in all areas.
>>
>> If there's an option that's more money for less speed nobody will
>> intentionally choose it, but you can tell them that's the option 
>> available
>> in their area.  This way happens to also work seamlessly with billing
>> systems since you have to differentiate the rate options in the system 
>> that
>> way anyhow.
>>
>> One problem you will not avoid no matter how you spell it out is that
>> some people will draw their own conclusions about why you're charging 
>> them
>> more than people in another area.  I.E.: They'll say you're a greedy, 
>> evil
>> person with selfish and petty reasons for discriminating against them.  I
>> don't have any faith in my fellow humans, so take that with a grain of 
>> salt.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 2/1/2017 1:37:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in
>> Different Markets
>>
>> Ugh, that is difficult.
>>
>>
>>
>> If it were me, at the very least I would just make a pricing page
>> online and spell it all out for each ‘area’.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you want to be more discreet you could just advertise the lowest
>> priced ra

Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City Fiber

[Kurt Fankhauser]

this was posted on the list before

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Craig Schmaderer 
wrote:

> It’s a cool setup, but it’s a lot more fun installing the fiber myself and
> owning everything.  :)  Maybe it is time for you to get back in the game
> Travis!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 9:37 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ammon City Fiber
>
> Hi,
>
> Here is the new fiber network that has been developed over the last 6
> years in a suburb of Idaho Falls. A quick breakdown:
>
> Fiber install = $3,000 to the homeowner, or financed at $15/month as a
> bond against the property for 20 years.
> Fiber transport for 100Mbps = $25/month to the city ISP service ranges
> from $40-$109/month depending on which provider you pick and which speed.
>
> So, right now 100Mbps x 100Mbps total cost is around $149/month with $0
> install.
>
> The other thing is the customer can switch providers "on the fly" from a
> webpage.
>
> https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/
> 06/what-if-switching-fiber-isps-was-as-easy-as-clicking-a-mouse/
>
> Travis
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

coverage, to identify areas where typical structures would be beneficial
for mid point repeater sites. In this particular project 75 foot grain
legs. So we only send out drivers to an area that that would be.

I dont recall if clutter maps are at all accurate, and havent been able to
get that data to show up in the propagation or if thats just limited to ptp

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Are you asking about PtP or a coverage map?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 2, 2017 4:16:07 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth
>
> i used to do this all the time, now i cant remember how. Im plotting for
> midpoint scouting. I need to put it on a kml for the guy to go to the
> target areas marking structures. being able to interact in google earth is
> a requirement and there are other specifics
>
> if i recall correctly there was an google earth update that was going to
> break the kmz overlay option, but that was a long time ago
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I Want

[Mark Radabaugh]

From an engineering standpoint I would expect a DC generator to be higher 
maintenance than an AC generator.   True DC generators have brushes that wear 
while AC generators have very little other than bearings to wear out.   
Alternators (like your car has) are actually AC generators with a rectifier 
pack to turn the AC back into DC.  When your alternator bites the dust about 
half the time it’s the rectifier that fails, the other half of the time it’s 
the bearings, with a small percentage of winding or other failures (yeah - I 
know that’s more than 100%).

Our high reliability sites have standby AC generators with 500 gal propane 
tanks, a rectifier shelf, and ~24 hours of batteries.  So far they have been 
very reliable.

Mark 

> On Feb 2, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Well, it certainly would protect you in the event of rectifier failure. 
>  
> From: That One Guy /sarcasm <>
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want
>  
> if youre doing a standby generator at a dc site, even an AC fed DC site, 
> wouldnt it be more efficient to use a dc generator, with less maintenance?
>  
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:
>> Ah yes, I see.
>>  
>>  
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" >
>> To: af@afmug.com <>
>> Sent: 2/2/2017 5:28:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want
>>  
>>> Perfect for off-grid solar backup. 
>>>  
>>> From: Adam Moffett <>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:27 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want
>>>  
>>> Man, sounds like a lot of money for 6kW.
>>>  
>>> Variable speed must save a lot of gas though.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Chuck McCown" >
>>> To: af@afmug.com <>
>>> Sent: 2/2/2017 5:25:35 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] I Want
>>>  
 Have to come up with a reason but I want it:
 https://www.norwall.com/products/Kohler-6kW-Variable-Speed-Direct-Current-Generator-with-Oil-Make-Up-Kit-48-Volt-DC-6VSG?cid=google_feed&dfw_tracker=6374-6VSG-QS13&gclid=COWuo4-68tECFUdlfgodl8oG_A
  
 
> 
>  
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V

[Kurt Fankhauser]

I am doing this with a Netonix Wisp Switch Mini. 48v in and configurable
24v or 48v out per port

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> If I go to Culvers between 4 and 5pm, I’m the youngest customer in the
> place.  I’ll order the fish though.  Maybe the term “Butter Burger” just
> sounds unhealthy.  That never stopped me from ordering a Big Boy though.  I
> don’t think we have Big Boys in Illinois anymore.  One of the WISPAmericas
> there was a Big Boy down the street.  Yum.  Big Boy, fries, shake, and
> a slice of pie.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2017 1:13 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>
>
>
> I do like 5guys, but I think culvers is better.
>
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2017 1:07 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> News today said they now have a Big Mac vending machine.
>
> I assume this doesn't fix the issue of no taste.  I'll eat burgers from
> almost any other chain, but McDonalds must have a secret process for
> removing all taste from beef.  Their fries are OK.  Where can I get a
> Smashburger with McDonalds fries?  Screw it, I'm going to Portillos.  Or
> Meatheads.  I'll even take a Whopper over a Big Mac, at least it tastes
> like grilled meat.  I don't understand the appeal of Five Guys though.
> Overpriced mediocre burger stuffed in a bag to make the bun all ugly.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:47 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>
> How do you spend that much I wonder.  Only so many big macs you can eat in
> a lifetime.  I guess I would have lobster and scallops frequently too.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:40 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>
> Or you can be like Johnny Depp and get divorced and your ex wants half the
> fortune and it turns out there's no fortune because you spent it.  Not sure
> I can criticize him for spending it.  What's the point of making millions
> if you can't spend it blasting someone's ashes into space with a cannon?
> But if you want to eat breakfast at McDonald's every day like Warren
> Buffet, that's OK too.  It would not be my choice.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 12:31 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
>
> Then It's not my problem anymore?
>
> On 2/2/2017 10:25 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> > What about when you're dead or get a new job?
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Nate Burke" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: 2/2/2017 11:19:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
> >
> >> OK, so it's not that there is no power in there, it's that there is
> >> no UPS power in there, and the Office has a UPS that can feed it. And
> >> it's not a closet, but more of a room.  And I can Guarantee that
> >> rogue devices will not be plugged into it (I alone control the room).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/2/2017 9:58 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >>> 10 devices at 15.4W (802.3af standard) would be 154W. Unless the
> >>> cable is very short, you'll suffer severe voltage drop.  Something
> >>> bad would happensomething bad like stuff not turning on or
> >>> blowing an internal fuse in the power supply.  Not catastrophe, just
> >>> bad.
> >>>
> >>> I'm sure your individual devices are lower consumption than that,
> >>> but you can't assume someone won't plug in something higher power at
> >>> a later date.
> >>>
> >>> IMO run two cables to two smaller switches, or get an outlet in there.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- Original Message --
> >>> From: "Nate Burke" 
> >>> To: af@afmug.com
> >>> Sent: 2/2/2017 10:38:59 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
> >>>
>  Anything with More Ports?  I'm looking at 2-3 phones, and 5-6
>  cameras.  Still very low power draw overall.
> 
>  On 2/2/2017 9:31 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
> > http://www.ispsupplies.com/Netonix-WS-6-MINI
> >
> > POE in on port 1.  24 or 48 out on 2-6.
> >
> > Jim Bouse
> > Owner
> > Mobile IT Pro - Brazos WiFi
> > 979-985-5912
> > j...@brazoswifi.com
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:28 AM
> > To: Animal Farm 
> > Subject: [AFMUG] POE-IN Powered Switch that will do 48 and 24V
> >
> > Is there another POE-IN powered switch, ALA Edgepoint S16, that
> > can do both 48 and 24V output?  I have a remote wiring closet with
> > no power, but w

Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

[chuck]

I do two coverage maps on the same picture.  I use rainbow (heat map) and dbm 
and set it to range from –50 to –90.
Do one coverage map from one location.  Then when it is painting the second 
map, possible repeater locations show up as dark or black squares.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 8:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

coverage, to identify areas where typical structures would be beneficial for 
mid point repeater sites. In this particular project 75 foot grain legs. So we 
only send out drivers to an area that that would be. 

I dont recall if clutter maps are at all accurate, and havent been able to get 
that data to show up in the propagation or if thats just limited to ptp

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  Are you asking about PtP or a coverage map?




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 4:16:07 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth


  i used to do this all the time, now i cant remember how. Im plotting for 
midpoint scouting. I need to put it on a kml for the guy to go to the target 
areas marking structures. being able to interact in google earth is a 
requirement and there are other specifics 

  if i recall correctly there was an google earth update that was going to 
break the kmz overlay option, but that was a long time ago


  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

im doing -70 to -50 off each of the two end points
trying to get to where good overlaps produce a certain color, but messing
with the pallete isnt working as expected
im not sure how to edit the antenna patterns, Id prefer to just do an arc
rather than a full omni, there isnt any real gain in this other than it
being pretty
in the event we find a structure that wont allow a single midpoint we will
just overlay that pattern to find a second location

i would prefer to just dray the 5-10 mile band, but i dont know if that can
be configured the way i want it to, that once again is just for pretty

the long term goal is to build out in 5-8 mile increments to be able to
stay lower power and cheaper antennas if we license the hops

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 9:35 AM,  wrote:

> I do two coverage maps on the same picture.  I use rainbow (heat map) and
> dbm and set it to range from –50 to –90.
> Do one coverage map from one location.  Then when it is painting the
> second map, possible repeater locations show up as dark or black squares.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 8:22 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth
>
> coverage, to identify areas where typical structures would be beneficial
> for mid point repeater sites. In this particular project 75 foot grain
> legs. So we only send out drivers to an area that that would be.
>
> I dont recall if clutter maps are at all accurate, and havent been able to
> get that data to show up in the propagation or if thats just limited to ptp
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Are you asking about PtP or a coverage map?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, February 2, 2017 4:16:07 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth
>>
>> i used to do this all the time, now i cant remember how. Im plotting for
>> midpoint scouting. I need to put it on a kml for the guy to go to the
>> target areas marking structures. being able to interact in google earth is
>> a requirement and there are other specifics
>>
>> if i recall correctly there was an google earth update that was going to
>> break the kmz overlay option, but that was a long time ago
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

[chuck]

I was never able to produce a particular color, but I just wanted a quick 
visible indication of where a repeater would work. 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 8:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

im doing -70 to -50 off each of the two end points 
trying to get to where good overlaps produce a certain color, but messing with 
the pallete isnt working as expected
im not sure how to edit the antenna patterns, Id prefer to just do an arc 
rather than a full omni, there isnt any real gain in this other than it being 
pretty
in the event we find a structure that wont allow a single midpoint we will just 
overlay that pattern to find a second location

i would prefer to just dray the 5-10 mile band, but i dont know if that can be 
configured the way i want it to, that once again is just for pretty

the long term goal is to build out in 5-8 mile increments to be able to stay 
lower power and cheaper antennas if we license the hops

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 9:35 AM,  wrote:

  I do two coverage maps on the same picture.  I use rainbow (heat map) and dbm 
and set it to range from –50 to –90.
  Do one coverage map from one location.  Then when it is painting the second 
map, possible repeater locations show up as dark or black squares.  

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 8:22 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

  coverage, to identify areas where typical structures would be beneficial for 
mid point repeater sites. In this particular project 75 foot grain legs. So we 
only send out drivers to an area that that would be. 

  I dont recall if clutter maps are at all accurate, and havent been able to 
get that data to show up in the propagation or if thats just limited to ptp

  On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

Are you asking about PtP or a coverage map?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 4:16:07 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth


i used to do this all the time, now i cant remember how. Im plotting for 
midpoint scouting. I need to put it on a kml for the guy to go to the target 
areas marking structures. being able to interact in google earth is a 
requirement and there are other specifics 

if i recall correctly there was an google earth update that was going to 
break the kmz overlay option, but that was a long time ago


-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I Want

[Adam Moffett]

However you get there, the nice thing about DC is you don't have to stay 
at 3600 RPM.  It's a big part of why inverter generators last so long on 
small loads.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mark Radabaugh" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/3/2017 10:29:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

From an engineering standpoint I would expect a DC generator to be 
higher maintenance than an AC generator.   True DC generators have 
brushes that wear while AC generators have very little other than 
bearings to wear out.   Alternators (like your car has) are actually AC 
generators with a rectifier pack to turn the AC back into DC.  When 
your alternator bites the dust about half the time it’s the rectifier 
that fails, the other half of the time it’s the bearings, with a small 
percentage of winding or other failures (yeah - I know that’s more than 
100%).


Our high reliability sites have standby AC generators with 500 gal 
propane tanks, a rectifier shelf, and ~24 hours of batteries.  So far 
they have been very reliable.


Mark


On Feb 2, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Well, it certainly would protect you in the event of rectifier 
failure.


From:That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:44 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

if youre doing a standby generator at a dc site, even an AC fed DC 
site, wouldnt it be more efficient to use a dc generator, with less 
maintenance?


On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

Ah yes, I see.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:28:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want


Perfect for off-grid solar backup.

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:27 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

Man, sounds like a lot of money for 6kW.

Variable speed must save a lot of gas though.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:25:35 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] I Want


Have to come up with a reason but I want it:
https://www.norwall.com/products/Kohler-6kW-Variable-Speed-Direct-Current-Generator-with-Oil-Make-Up-Kit-48-Volt-DC-6VSG?cid=google_feed&dfw_tracker=6374-6VSG-QS13&gclid=COWuo4-68tECFUdlfgodl8oG_A 





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team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I Want

[chuck]

And on a standby generator, if it is a true DC generator the brushes will last 
forever.  But it is probably an alternator/rectifier.  
AC generator with redundant rectifiers is bound to be the best value.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 8:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

However you get there, the nice thing about DC is you don't have to stay at 
3600 RPM.  It's a big part of why inverter generators last so long on small 
loads. 


-- Original Message --
From: "Mark Radabaugh" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/3/2017 10:29:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

  From an engineering standpoint I would expect a DC generator to be higher 
maintenance than an AC generator.   True DC generators have brushes that wear 
while AC generators have very little other than bearings to wear out.   
Alternators (like your car has) are actually AC generators with a rectifier 
pack to turn the AC back into DC.  When your alternator bites the dust about 
half the time it’s the rectifier that fails, the other half of the time it’s 
the bearings, with a small percentage of winding or other failures (yeah - I 
know that’s more than 100%).

  Our high reliability sites have standby AC generators with 500 gal propane 
tanks, a rectifier shelf, and ~24 hours of batteries.  So far they have been 
very reliable.

  Mark 

On Feb 2, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Well, it certainly would protect you in the event of rectifier failure.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

if youre doing a standby generator at a dc site, even an AC fed DC site, 
wouldnt it be more efficient to use a dc generator, with less maintenance?

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Ah yes, I see.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 2/2/2017 5:28:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

Perfect for off-grid solar backup.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

Man, sounds like a lot of money for 6kW.

Variable speed must save a lot of gas though.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:25:35 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] I Want

  Have to come up with a reason but I want it:
  
https://www.norwall.com/products/Kohler-6kW-Variable-Speed-Direct-Current-Generator-with-Oil-Make-Up-Kit-48-Volt-DC-6VSG?cid=google_feed&dfw_tracker=6374-6VSG-QS13&gclid=COWuo4-68tECFUdlfgodl8oG_A




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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] I Want

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
Does anyone have a document or wiki that describes how to take an
off-the-shelf AC standby generator and use it at a solar/DC site?
I'm assuming starting would be via remotely-operated or
conditional-logic-operated relay based on battery voltage? Anyone
done it and care to share the nitty gritty?


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 2/3/17 9:02 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  And on a standby generator, if it is a true DC generator
the brushes will last forever.  But it is probably an
alternator/rectifier.  
  AC generator with redundant rectifiers is bound to be the
best value.  
  

   
  
From: Adam
Moffett 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 8:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want
  

 
  
  
However you get there, the nice thing about DC is you
  don't have to stay at 3600 RPM.  It's a big part of why
  inverter generators last so long on small loads. 
 
 
-- Original Message --
From: "Mark Radabaugh" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/3/2017 10:29:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want
 

  
From an engineering standpoint I would expect a DC
  generator to be higher maintenance than an AC
  generator.   True DC generators have brushes that wear
  while AC generators have very little other than
  bearings to wear out.   Alternators (like your car
  has) are actually AC generators with a rectifier pack
  to turn the AC back into DC.  When your alternator
  bites the dust about half the time it’s the rectifier
  that fails, the other half of the time it’s the
  bearings, with a small percentage of winding or other
  failures (yeah - I know that’s more than 100%).
 
Our high reliability sites have standby AC
  generators with 500 gal propane tanks, a rectifier
  shelf, and ~24 hours of batteries.  So far they have
  been very reliable.
 

  
Mark 
  

 

  
On Feb 2, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Chuck McCown 
  wrote:
 

  

  
Well, it certainly would protect you in
  the event of rectifier failure.  

  
 

  From:
That
  One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Thursday, February
02, 2017 3:44 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I
Want

  
   


  if youre doing a standby
generator at a dc site, even an AC fed
DC site, wouldnt it be more efficient to
use a dc generator, with less
maintenance?
  
 
On Thu, Feb 2,
  2017 at 4:29 PM, Adam Moffett 
  wrote:
  

  Ah yes, I see.
  
 
 
-- Orig

Re: [AFMUG] I Want

[chuck]

Well Forest did a very nice product at one time that would do exactly that. 
 I think many hope he revives that project.

From: Jesse DuPont 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

Does anyone have a document or wiki that describes how to take an off-the-shelf 
AC standby generator and use it at a solar/DC site? I'm assuming starting would 
be via remotely-operated or conditional-logic-operated relay based on battery 
voltage? Anyone done it and care to share the nitty gritty?


Jesse DuPont

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

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On 2/3/17 9:02 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  And on a standby generator, if it is a true DC generator the brushes will 
last forever.  But it is probably an alternator/rectifier.  
  AC generator with redundant rectifiers is bound to be the best value.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 8:56 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

  However you get there, the nice thing about DC is you don't have to stay at 
3600 RPM.  It's a big part of why inverter generators last so long on small 
loads. 


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Mark Radabaugh" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 2/3/2017 10:29:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

From an engineering standpoint I would expect a DC generator to be higher 
maintenance than an AC generator.   True DC generators have brushes that wear 
while AC generators have very little other than bearings to wear out.   
Alternators (like your car has) are actually AC generators with a rectifier 
pack to turn the AC back into DC.  When your alternator bites the dust about 
half the time it’s the rectifier that fails, the other half of the time it’s 
the bearings, with a small percentage of winding or other failures (yeah - I 
know that’s more than 100%).

Our high reliability sites have standby AC generators with 500 gal propane 
tanks, a rectifier shelf, and ~24 hours of batteries.  So far they have been 
very reliable.

Mark 

  On Feb 2, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Well, it certainly would protect you in the event of rectifier failure.  

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:44 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

  if youre doing a standby generator at a dc site, even an AC fed DC site, 
wouldnt it be more efficient to use a dc generator, with less maintenance?

  On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

Ah yes, I see.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:28:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

  Perfect for off-grid solar backup.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:27 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

  Man, sounds like a lot of money for 6kW.

  Variable speed must save a lot of gas though.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 2/2/2017 5:25:35 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] I Want

Have to come up with a reason but I want it:

https://www.norwall.com/products/Kohler-6kW-Variable-Speed-Direct-Current-Generator-with-Oil-Make-Up-Kit-48-Volt-DC-6VSG?cid=google_feed&dfw_tracker=6374-6VSG-QS13&gclid=COWuo4-68tECFUdlfgodl8oG_A




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  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in Different Markets

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

once we edit out the multiples of 1024 to be multiples of 1000 to appease
fcc they accept them without issue, whether the data is copacetic isnt a
big concern to me as we way underreport what we actually deliver and
advertise
I guess alot of it depends on your company mission with FCC. If its funding
based, or competitor lockout based, then better looking numbers is probably
more important. Our pprimary purpose is just to get it accepted so theyll
quit bothering us, so we do accuracy and under reporting. Compared to the
numbers alot of folks present to the fcc, if there were somebody looking at
it, they would be like "how the hell are these guys even competing"

these arent our rates, but this is an example:
Tier 1 tier 2 tier 3
Tiers are the speeds, the customers arent sold a tier
rate 1 (10gb) rate 2 (20gb) rate 3 (30gb/overage)
rates are what the customers are sold (our actual capacities are much much
higher) the top rate has the overage, and there is an un advertised rate we
put heavy users on if theyre continually generating high overages to bring
their costs down if they pay promptly on a historical basis

so we create
t01-r01
t02-r01
t03-r01

t01-r02
t02-r02
t03-r02

t01-r03
t02-r03
t03-r03

9 plans on the back end

the customers are place into groups in powercode based on their tier, so
customer service can only select the rate correlated to the tier, in this
example there are only three options

we have more than 3 tiers, more than 3 rates, and because powercode is
awful, we have to duplicate everything for our annual discount. Our back
end, needless to say has a huge number of plans, very few of which are
selectable on any given account

the tier (speed) is easy and has a set of criteria based on the site
installed to and its capabilities, the access point installed to and its
capabilities, and the final factor being actual performance.
so if we have a 12mb tier and a 6mb tier, if the customer can only achieve
10mb, they go on the 6 mb tier. aside from the fsk 900, nobody goes on a
tier they cant fully achieve consistently, and we can drop tiers if there
is degradation. Network preservation takes priority over end user
preference.so much less headaches. and all our reporting is accurate,
if we had an fcc audit, we wouldnt get nailed for overreporting like many
others would



On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> I thought Powercode FCC 477 export was broken and full of erros as another
> recent thread indicated? Also Powercode needs to have two sets of speeds in
> each plan, one being FCC export reported speed, and the other being the
> actual rate limited speed. Then I wouldn't have to tweak the export since I
> like to rate limit at 110% of their plan speed.
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> Christopher,
>>
>> FCC basically wants advertised plan rates which makes the whole thing BS,
>> but what else are you going to do? I guess they assume you aren't
>> advertising more than you can actually deliver. Taking the speed at each
>> customer location is somewhat impractical for such purposes unless you just
>> do a one time test and call it that forever. The FCC doesn't really have a
>> way to report a "variable" rate plan. I have a customer who goes through
>> this every year. He runs everything wide open and has data caps. So he lets
>> you get as much "speed" as your radio can handle but bills for overages
>> every month. He ends up doing a speed test on install and putting that into
>> the "baseline" info for the customer and we use those numbers for the 477
>> grouping them together into as few "buckets" as possible. So it can be
>> done, but it takes more effort and is certainly not "traditional".
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>>> An exported form is only as good as the data entered. I export from
>>> Sonar with no problem, but I go through a decent amount of effort to define
>>> a long list of services to match each speed available, and it is getting a
>>> little out of hand.
>>>
>>> When selling capacity, not speed, how do you rate your speed for your
>>> 477? The max it could be? The lowest you'd ever expect? How do you define a
>>> speed in your billing system for the 477 if the speed is variable?
>>>
>>> I see now that my biggest problem seems to be having 2 variables with
>>> each product (price and speed... my "standard" product has speeds ranging
>>> from 1.5 to 10 and prices ranging from $50 to $73). I think I just need to
>>> simplify the product offering by fixing one of the variables, and possibly
>>> have a zip code entry to view the available products. Half of my network is
>>> 50% more expensive to operate than the other half, so there are significant
>>> price differences between some areas.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:36 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 E

Re: [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in Different Markets

[Ken Hohhof]

Sounds way too complicated.

 

This should be like going to Wendy’s.  Single, double, triple.  Small fries, 
large fries.  Pull forward to the first window.

 

If that’s still too complicated, do like Frontier, everything’s “up to 6 Mbps”. 
 In other words, best effort, it is what it is.  If you as the customer choose 
to ignore the “up to”, too bad for you.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 10:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in Different Markets

 

once we edit out the multiples of 1024 to be multiples of 1000 to appease fcc 
they accept them without issue, whether the data is copacetic isnt a big 
concern to me as we way underreport what we actually deliver and advertise

I guess alot of it depends on your company mission with FCC. If its funding 
based, or competitor lockout based, then better looking numbers is probably 
more important. Our pprimary purpose is just to get it accepted so theyll quit 
bothering us, so we do accuracy and under reporting. Compared to the numbers 
alot of folks present to the fcc, if there were somebody looking at it, they 
would be like "how the hell are these guys even competing"

 

these arent our rates, but this is an example:

Tier 1 tier 2 tier 3

Tiers are the speeds, the customers arent sold a tier

rate 1 (10gb) rate 2 (20gb) rate 3 (30gb/overage)

rates are what the customers are sold (our actual capacities are much much 
higher) the top rate has the overage, and there is an un advertised rate we put 
heavy users on if theyre continually generating high overages to bring their 
costs down if they pay promptly on a historical basis

 

so we create

t01-r01

t02-r01

t03-r01

 

t01-r02

t02-r02

t03-r02

 

t01-r03

t02-r03

t03-r03

 

9 plans on the back end

 

the customers are place into groups in powercode based on their tier, so 
customer service can only select the rate correlated to the tier, in this 
example there are only three options

 

we have more than 3 tiers, more than 3 rates, and because powercode is awful, 
we have to duplicate everything for our annual discount. Our back end, needless 
to say has a huge number of plans, very few of which are selectable on any 
given account

 

the tier (speed) is easy and has a set of criteria based on the site installed 
to and its capabilities, the access point installed to and its capabilities, 
and the final factor being actual performance.

so if we have a 12mb tier and a 6mb tier, if the customer can only achieve 
10mb, they go on the 6 mb tier. aside from the fsk 900, nobody goes on a tier 
they cant fully achieve consistently, and we can drop tiers if there is 
degradation. Network preservation takes priority over end user 
preference.so much less headaches. and all our reporting is accurate, if we 
had an fcc audit, we wouldnt get nailed for overreporting like many others would

 

 

 

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I thought Powercode FCC 477 export was broken and full of erros as another 
recent thread indicated? Also Powercode needs to have two sets of speeds in 
each plan, one being FCC export reported speed, and the other being the actual 
rate limited speed. Then I wouldn't have to tweak the export since I like to 
rate limit at 110% of their plan speed.

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@wispmon.com> > wrote:

Christopher,

 

FCC basically wants advertised plan rates which makes the whole thing BS, but 
what else are you going to do? I guess they assume you aren't advertising more 
than you can actually deliver. Taking the speed at each customer location is 
somewhat impractical for such purposes unless you just do a one time test and 
call it that forever. The FCC doesn't really have a way to report a "variable" 
rate plan. I have a customer who goes through this every year. He runs 
everything wide open and has data caps. So he lets you get as much "speed" as 
your radio can handle but bills for overages every month. He ends up doing a 
speed test on install and putting that into the "baseline" info for the 
customer and we use those numbers for the 477 grouping them together into as 
few "buckets" as possible. So it can be done, but it takes more effort and is 
certainly not "traditional". 

 

Cameron

 

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Christopher Gray mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com> > wrote:

An exported form is only as good as the data entered. I export from Sonar with 
no problem, but I go through a decent amount of effort to define a long list of 
services to match each speed available, and it is getting a little out of hand.

 

When selling capacity, not speed, how do you rate your speed for your 477? The 
max it could be? The lowest you'd ever expect? How do you define a speed in 
your billing system for the 477 if the speed is variable?

 

I see now tha

Re: [AFMUG] I Want

[Adam Moffett]

Ask the generator vendor about 2-wire start.  Some transfer switches 
require 2-wire start, so the generator probably has a way to do it.  If 
you can do 2-wire start, then the rest is straight forward.


Generac Guardian can do it with a slight re-wire and a secret code 
entered on the control panel.  On the Guardian, the starter battery 
charger runs on A/C which normally comes from the transfer switch, so I 
had to do a little hack to make that charger work.  I did this at a site 
to get it running before the utility power was set up.


Once you have 2-wire start configured, you connect the 2-wires to a 
relay.  I used an NC relay and opened it to turn the genny off.  The 
idea being that if batteries ever ran down to zero, the relay would 
close and start the generator.  Since it was temporary, I just had a 
cron job on a server start the generator at a certain time and then stop 
it 8 hours later.  It could just as easily have monitored battery 
voltage and started the engine at 11.5 Volts (or whatever).


If it was permanently off-grid I'd find a way to monitor the state of 
the starter battery, and connect the starter charger to an inverter 
running off the solar batteries.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jesse DuPont" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/3/2017 11:05:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

Does anyone have a document or wiki that describes how to take an 
off-the-shelf AC standby generator and use it at a solar/DC site? I'm 
assuming starting would be via remotely-operated or 
conditional-logic-operated relay based on battery voltage? Anyone done 
it and care to share the nitty gritty?


Jesse DuPont

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband

On 2/3/17 9:02 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
And on a standby generator, if it is a true DC generator the brushes 
will last forever.  But it is probably an alternator/rectifier.

AC generator with redundant rectifiers is bound to be the best value.

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 8:56 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

However you get there, the nice thing about DC is you don't have to 
stay at 3600 RPM.  It's a big part of why inverter generators last so 
long on small loads.



-- Original Message --
From: "Mark Radabaugh" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/3/2017 10:29:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

From an engineering standpoint I would expect a DC generator to be 
higher maintenance than an AC generator.   True DC generators have 
brushes that wear while AC generators have very little other than 
bearings to wear out.   Alternators (like your car has) are actually 
AC generators with a rectifier pack to turn the AC back into DC.  
When your alternator bites the dust about half the time it’s the 
rectifier that fails, the other half of the time it’s the bearings, 
with a small percentage of winding or other failures (yeah - I know 
that’s more than 100%).


Our high reliability sites have standby AC generators with 500 gal 
propane tanks, a rectifier shelf, and ~24 hours of batteries.  So far 
they have been very reliable.


Mark


On Feb 2, 2017, at 5:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Well, it certainly would protect you in the event of rectifier 
failure.


From:That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:44 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

if youre doing a standby generator at a dc site, even an AC fed DC 
site, wouldnt it be more efficient to use a dc generator, with less 
maintenance?


On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

Ah yes, I see.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:28:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want


Perfect for off-grid solar backup.

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:27 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I Want

Man, sounds like a lot of money for 6kW.

Variable speed must save a lot of gas though.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/2/2017 5:25:35 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] I Want


Have to come up with a reason but I want it:
https://www.norwall.com/products/Kohler-6kW-Variable-Speed-Direct-Current-Generator-with-Oil-Make-Up-Kit-48-Volt-DC-6VSG?cid=google_feed&dfw_tracker=6374-6VSG-QS13&gclid=COWuo4-68tECFUdlfgodl8oG_A 





--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the 
team.

Re: [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in Different Markets

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i would venture a guess wendys back end system isnt nearly as simplified as
its front end system
"up to" is not conducive to network preservation at all
having a 25mb plan on epmp with mcs 11 isnt going to give you much
aggregate capacity at the AP when that user is on, so you go from 1 pissed
off customer to 15 and an investment in another access point
Id rather the headache of maintenance occur from the comfort of my couch
than on top of a grain elevator in the winter

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Sounds way too complicated.
>
>
>
> This should be like going to Wendy’s.  Single, double, triple.  Small
> fries, large fries.  Pull forward to the first window.
>
>
>
> If that’s still too complicated, do like Frontier, everything’s “up to 6
> Mbps”.  In other words, best effort, it is what it is.  If you as the
> customer choose to ignore the “up to”, too bad for you.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 10:16 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in
> Different Markets
>
>
>
> once we edit out the multiples of 1024 to be multiples of 1000 to appease
> fcc they accept them without issue, whether the data is copacetic isnt a
> big concern to me as we way underreport what we actually deliver and
> advertise
>
> I guess alot of it depends on your company mission with FCC. If its
> funding based, or competitor lockout based, then better looking numbers is
> probably more important. Our pprimary purpose is just to get it accepted so
> theyll quit bothering us, so we do accuracy and under reporting. Compared
> to the numbers alot of folks present to the fcc, if there were somebody
> looking at it, they would be like "how the hell are these guys even
> competing"
>
>
>
> these arent our rates, but this is an example:
>
> Tier 1 tier 2 tier 3
>
> Tiers are the speeds, the customers arent sold a tier
>
> rate 1 (10gb) rate 2 (20gb) rate 3 (30gb/overage)
>
> rates are what the customers are sold (our actual capacities are much much
> higher) the top rate has the overage, and there is an un advertised rate we
> put heavy users on if theyre continually generating high overages to bring
> their costs down if they pay promptly on a historical basis
>
>
>
> so we create
>
> t01-r01
>
> t02-r01
>
> t03-r01
>
>
>
> t01-r02
>
> t02-r02
>
> t03-r02
>
>
>
> t01-r03
>
> t02-r03
>
> t03-r03
>
>
>
> 9 plans on the back end
>
>
>
> the customers are place into groups in powercode based on their tier, so
> customer service can only select the rate correlated to the tier, in this
> example there are only three options
>
>
>
> we have more than 3 tiers, more than 3 rates, and because powercode is
> awful, we have to duplicate everything for our annual discount. Our back
> end, needless to say has a huge number of plans, very few of which are
> selectable on any given account
>
>
>
> the tier (speed) is easy and has a set of criteria based on the site
> installed to and its capabilities, the access point installed to and its
> capabilities, and the final factor being actual performance.
>
> so if we have a 12mb tier and a 6mb tier, if the customer can only achieve
> 10mb, they go on the 6 mb tier. aside from the fsk 900, nobody goes on a
> tier they cant fully achieve consistently, and we can drop tiers if there
> is degradation. Network preservation takes priority over end user
> preference.so much less headaches. and all our reporting is accurate,
> if we had an fcc audit, we wouldnt get nailed for overreporting like many
> others would
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> I thought Powercode FCC 477 export was broken and full of erros as another
> recent thread indicated? Also Powercode needs to have two sets of speeds in
> each plan, one being FCC export reported speed, and the other being the
> actual rate limited speed. Then I wouldn't have to tweak the export since I
> like to rate limit at 110% of their plan speed.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
> Christopher,
>
>
>
> FCC basically wants advertised plan rates which makes the whole thing BS,
> but what else are you going to do? I guess they assume you aren't
> advertising more than you can actually deliver. Taking the speed at each
> customer location is somewhat impractical for such purposes unless you just
> do a one time test and call it that forever. The FCC doesn't really have a
> way to report a "variable" rate plan. I have a customer who goes through
> this every year. He runs everything wide open and has data caps. So he lets
> you get as much "speed" as your radio can handle but bills for overages
> every month. He ends up doing a speed test on install and putting that into
> the "baseline" info for the customer and we use those numbers for the 477
> grouping them together into as few "buckets" as possible. So it can be
> done, but

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

[Ken Hohhof]

If you don’t find any great surplus deals, I have been happy with Concorde Sun 
Xtender 104 or 108 Ah AGM batteries.  Any Concorde/Lifeline dealer should be 
able to get them in a couple days, I have one within driving distance so I go 
get them and avoid shipping costs.  Normal price is around $300, less if you 
buy a bunch.

 

If you are buying a whole bunch of them, an alternative is 8D marine batteries 
(e.g. Lifeline).  Heavy, but thank goodness for rope handles.

 

If you are putting them on shelves, front-terminal telecom batteries can make 
life easier.

 

I don’t know how to correctly estimate AGM battery life.  I have various 
Lifeline, Sun Xtender and Northstar batteries (all made in USA) in service for 
5+ years and no signs of wearing out.  Normally with the standard batteries 
that go inside a UPS, I change them after 2-3 years because I know they will 
short out or swell up and fail.  I am hesitant to do that at sites with $2000 
worth of batteries, probably just do a load test a couple times a year.  There 
seems to be a big difference in quality between the cheapest batteries and the 
ones they sell to carriers for remote terminals.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 7:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

 

I'm careful of possibly aged-on-shelf batteries as well, but our purchasing 
from TelecomSurplus has been great so my first assumption would be that these 
are OK - best to contact them and ask.

 

On Feb 2, 2017 6:40 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Pretty suspicious of "surplus" batteries that have been sitting around self 
discharging for a long time.

 

Sunelec.com is selling Outback 106RE batteries (12V 100Ah) at $185 ea.

 

 

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Colin Stanners mailto:cstann...@gmail.com> > wrote:

TelecomSurplus recently mailed:
C&D Technologies TEL Long Duration Series Batteries
100 Ah AGM with Front Access  In Stock & Ready to Ship!

 

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Eric Kuhnke mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Looking for a bunch of 12V 100Ah AGM top terminal batteries for off grid PV. 
Wondering if anyone has recently got a particularly good deal for something 
like the Trojan T31 or similar.

 

 

 

 

[AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

[Darin Steffl]

Hey guys,

I'm not sure if Gin Pole is the right term but we're looking for something
like that for lifting things up our grain leg sites that will attach to the
structure or our antenna pipes. This would allow us to attach our pulley
above the structure so we can lift our gear up and over the railings at our
sites.

Any idea what exactly I should be looking for and any recommended products
for us to look at?

Thanks

-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

[Ken Hohhof]

They sell something called a “rooster head” that can be inserted at the top of 
an antenna mounting pipe, unfortunately it doesn’t project out horizontally.

 

We’ve installed equipment on grain legs that have a big pulley and rope on a 
swinging arm, these are really nice for lifting up big dishes and stuff.  I 
don’t think they are within the price range for a WISP, but if the farmer wants 
to install one permanently, we’ll use it.  Not sure what the correct name is 
for these.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:26 AM
To: memb...@wispa.org; af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

 

Hey guys,

 

I'm not sure if Gin Pole is the right term but we're looking for something like 
that for lifting things up our grain leg sites that will attach to the 
structure or our antenna pipes. This would allow us to attach our pulley above 
the structure so we can lift our gear up and over the railings at our sites.

 

Any idea what exactly I should be looking for and any recommended products for 
us to look at? 

 

Thanks


 

-- 

Darin Steffl

Minnesota WiFi

www.mnwifi.com  

507-634-WiFi

   Like us on Facebook 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

yard arm

if youre on a leg, mot have a spot for attaching a rotating one
most grain elevators either have one or where the radius of two bins
intersect there is a steel beam
a very dangerous but effective solution is harnessing your guy, put a
pulley on his front loops and secure his back to the structure have him
lean out 45 degrees, or bring up a light weight A frame, not as fun though



On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> I'm not sure if Gin Pole is the right term but we're looking for something
> like that for lifting things up our grain leg sites that will attach to the
> structure or our antenna pipes. This would allow us to attach our pulley
> above the structure so we can lift our gear up and over the railings at our
> sites.
>
> Any idea what exactly I should be looking for and any recommended products
> for us to look at?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

[chuck]

Find a crazy young guy, unmarried, no kids, orphans are the best.  Make him 
sign a hold harmless.  Pay him as a contractor to climb up and pull the stuff 
up.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 10:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

yard arm 

if youre on a leg, mot have a spot for attaching a rotating one
most grain elevators either have one or where the radius of two bins intersect 
there is a steel beam
a very dangerous but effective solution is harnessing your guy, put a pulley on 
his front loops and secure his back to the structure have him lean out 45 
degrees, or bring up a light weight A frame, not as fun though



On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Darin Steffl  wrote:

  Hey guys, 

  I'm not sure if Gin Pole is the right term but we're looking for something 
like that for lifting things up our grain leg sites that will attach to the 
structure or our antenna pipes. This would allow us to attach our pulley above 
the structure so we can lift our gear up and over the railings at our sites.

  Any idea what exactly I should be looking for and any recommended products 
for us to look at? 

  Thanks


  -- 

  Darin Steffl 
  Minnesota WiFi
  www.mnwifi.com
  507-634-WiFi
   Like us on Facebook




-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

[Dev]

Is there any way to extend the cable length over a few hundred feet and still 
get reliable power/data?

Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

[Adam Moffett]

Google for ethernet extenders with PoE.
They exist.  Never used one.  I think up to 1000'


-- Original Message --
From: "Dev" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/3/2017 12:45:40 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

Is there any way to extend the cable length over a few hundred feet and 
still get reliable power/data?

Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

[Ken Hohhof]

Are you trying to exceed 100 meters?  Is there a good reason not to use fiber + 
DC power?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

Google for ethernet extenders with PoE.
They exist.  Never used one.  I think up to 1000'


-- Original Message --
From: "Dev" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/3/2017 12:45:40 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

>Is there any way to extend the cable length over a few hundred feet and 
>still get reliable power/data?

Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

We have a customer who trenched 500 foot of cat5 to an outbuilding, routers
pop for "some reason"
I wonder if an extender would help with that

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Are you trying to exceed 100 meters?  Is there a good reason not to use
> fiber + DC power?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances
>
> Google for ethernet extenders with PoE.
> They exist.  Never used one.  I think up to 1000'
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Dev" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/3/2017 12:45:40 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances
>
> >Is there any way to extend the cable length over a few hundred feet and
> >still get reliable power/data?
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

[chuck]

Some devices will handle things over 100m and some won’t.  
I think that original 100m limit was based on coaxial based collision domain 
constraints.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

We have a customer who trenched 500 foot of cat5 to an outbuilding, routers pop 
for "some reason" 
I wonder if an extender would help with that

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Are you trying to exceed 100 meters?  Is there a good reason not to use fiber 
+ DC power?


  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

  Google for ethernet extenders with PoE.
  They exist.  Never used one.  I think up to 1000'


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Dev" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 2/3/2017 12:45:40 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

  >Is there any way to extend the cable length over a few hundred feet and
  >still get reliable power/data?








-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

[Stefan Englhardt]

This limit is still there for protocol timing reasons. Expect strange things 
happening if you exceed this. There are extenders which are bridges so you can 
double the length.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von ch...@wbmfg.com
Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Februar 2017 19:20
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances



Some devices will handle things over 100m and some won’t.

I think that original 100m limit was based on coaxial based collision domain 
constraints.



From: That One Guy /sarcasm

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:14 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances



We have a customer who trenched 500 foot of cat5 to an outbuilding, routers pop 
for "some reason"

I wonder if an extender would help with that



On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Are you trying to exceed 100 meters?  Is there a good reason not to use fiber + 
DC power?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

Google for ethernet extenders with PoE.
They exist.  Never used one.  I think up to 1000'


-- Original Message --
From: "Dev" mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com> >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 2/3/2017 12:45:40 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

>Is there any way to extend the cable length over a few hundred feet and
>still get reliable power/data?










--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

[Adam Moffett]

A grounded surge suppressor on each end will help with that.
The ground can have a different electrical potential at two points that 
far apart.  Then you get a current through your devices trying to 
equalize it.



-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/3/2017 1:14:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

We have a customer who trenched 500 foot of cat5 to an outbuilding, 
routers pop for "some reason"

I wonder if an extender would help with that

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
Are you trying to exceed 100 meters?  Is there a good reason not to 
use fiber + DC power?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

Google for ethernet extenders with PoE.
They exist.  Never used one.  I think up to 1000'


-- Original Message --
From: "Dev" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/3/2017 12:45:40 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

>Is there any way to extend the cable length over a few hundred feet 
and

>still get reliable power/data?







--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/3/17 10:32, Stefan Englhardt wrote:

This limit is still there for protocol timing reasons. Expect strange
things happening if you exceed this. There are extenders which are
bridges so you can double the length.




The extenders are basically a two port POE powered switch.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

[chuck]

But if the entire run is underground, hard to put something in the middle.

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:35 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances 


On 2/3/17 10:32, Stefan Englhardt wrote:

This limit is still there for protocol timing reasons. Expect strange
things happening if you exceed this. There are extenders which are
bridges so you can double the length.




The extenders are basically a two port POE powered switch.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

[Mathew Howard]

You could bury a POE powered switch in the middle... that may not be the
most practical idea, however.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:36 PM,  wrote:

> But if the entire run is underground, hard to put something in the middle.
>
> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Friday, February 3,
> 2017 11:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable
> distances
> On 2/3/17 10:32, Stefan Englhardt wrote:
>
>> This limit is still there for protocol timing reasons. Expect strange
>> things happening if you exceed this. There are extenders which are
>> bridges so you can double the length.
>>
>>
>
> The extenders are basically a two port POE powered switch.
>
> ~Seth
>

[AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

[Timothy Yent]

If interested in any of the items below, please let me know.  Make offer, no
reasonable offer will be refused.  Shipping to be paid by buyer.  

6  Last Mile Gear CTM-100 Slave units

41 12dB 2.4 Ghz ePMP WBMFG Reflector Dish 

1 Allot NetEnforcer AC-1440   

1 Allot NetEnforcer Bypass 

You can view product specifications at

http://www.allot.com/products/platforms/netenforcer/

 

Tim

Mercury Network Corporation

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

[Ken Hohhof]

What do you mean by “pop”?  You mean Ethernet port gets fried during storms?

 

I don’t suppose they dropped conduit with a pull tape in that trench?

 

I’m amazed someone would pay to trench 500 feet of Cat5, but not put some fiber 
in there, or a way to pull something in the future.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

 

Some devices will handle things over 100m and some won’t.  

I think that original 100m limit was based on coaxial based collision domain 
constraints.  

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:14 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

 

We have a customer who trenched 500 foot of cat5 to an outbuilding, routers pop 
for "some reason" 

I wonder if an extender would help with that

 

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Are you trying to exceed 100 meters?  Is there a good reason not to use fiber + 
DC power?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

Google for ethernet extenders with PoE.
They exist.  Never used one.  I think up to 1000'


-- Original Message --
From: "Dev" mailto:d...@logicalwebhost.com> >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: 2/3/2017 12:45:40 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

>Is there any way to extend the cable length over a few hundred feet and
>still get reliable power/data?








 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

[Lewis Bergman]

Rohn makes a light weight one. I think Valmont makes one designed die a
tower that puts the pulley or about 3 feet and is really handy for mounting
disks on the side of towers.  Chuck should make one.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017, 11:40 AM  wrote:

> Find a crazy young guy, unmarried, no kids, orphans are the best.  Make
> him sign a hold harmless.  Pay him as a contractor to climb up and pull the
> stuff up.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 10:37 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>
> yard arm
>
> if youre on a leg, mot have a spot for attaching a rotating one
> most grain elevators either have one or where the radius of two bins
> intersect there is a steel beam
> a very dangerous but effective solution is harnessing your guy, put a
> pulley on his front loops and secure his back to the structure have him
> lean out 45 degrees, or bring up a light weight A frame, not as fun though
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I'm not sure if Gin Pole is the right term but we're looking for something
> like that for lifting things up our grain leg sites that will attach to the
> structure or our antenna pipes. This would allow us to attach our pulley
> above the structure so we can lift our gear up and over the railings at our
> sites.
>
> Any idea what exactly I should be looking for and any recommended products
> for us to look at?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

[Ken Hohhof]

There are also VDSL based devices.  Vendors like Netsys, B&B Electronics, etc.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

On 2/3/17 10:32, Stefan Englhardt wrote:
> This limit is still there for protocol timing reasons. Expect strange 
> things happening if you exceed this. There are extenders which are 
> bridges so you can double the length.
>


The extenders are basically a two port POE powered switch.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/3/17 10:36, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

But if the entire run is underground, hard to put something in the middle.



If it's a full underground run exceeding 100m then that's a job for 
fiber and power (if no power at far side). Or VDSL bridges.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

[chuck]

Here are a few items I still have for sale... www.mccowntech.com 

From: Timothy Yent 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

If interested in any of the items below, please let me know.  Make offer, no 
reasonable offer will be refused.  Shipping to be paid by buyer.  

6  Last Mile Gear CTM-100 Slave units

41 12dB 2.4 Ghz ePMP WBMFG Reflector Dish 

1 Allot NetEnforcer AC-1440   

1 Allot NetEnforcer Bypass 

You can view product specifications at 
http://www.allot.com/products/platforms/netenforcer/

 

Tim

Mercury Network Corporation

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

[chuck]

Yeah, that is the sure fire way to fix this.

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

There are also VDSL based devices.  Vendors like Netsys, B&B Electronics, 
etc.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

On 2/3/17 10:32, Stefan Englhardt wrote:

This limit is still there for protocol timing reasons. Expect strange
things happening if you exceed this. There are extenders which are
bridges so you can double the length.




The extenders are basically a two port POE powered switch.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

[chuck]

Show me what is out there and show me how you would like it changed.  I will 
make it.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

Rohn makes a light weight one. I think Valmont makes one designed die a tower 
that puts the pulley or about 3 feet and is really handy for mounting disks on 
the side of towers.  Chuck should make one. 



On Fri, Feb 3, 2017, 11:40 AM  wrote:

  Find a crazy young guy, unmarried, no kids, orphans are the best.  Make him 
sign a hold harmless.  Pay him as a contractor to climb up and pull the stuff 
up.  

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 10:37 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

  yard arm 

  if youre on a leg, mot have a spot for attaching a rotating one
  most grain elevators either have one or where the radius of two bins 
intersect there is a steel beam
  a very dangerous but effective solution is harnessing your guy, put a pulley 
on his front loops and secure his back to the structure have him lean out 45 
degrees, or bring up a light weight A frame, not as fun though


  On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Darin Steffl  wrote:

Hey guys, 

I'm not sure if Gin Pole is the right term but we're looking for something 
like that for lifting things up our grain leg sites that will attach to the 
structure or our antenna pipes. This would allow us to attach our pulley above 
the structure so we can lift our gear up and over the railings at our sites.

Any idea what exactly I should be looking for and any recommended products 
for us to look at? 

Thanks


-- 

Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook
  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] PoE Cat5/6 cable distances

[Mathew Howard]

Yep... VDSL is probably the most practical (since the cat5 is already in
the ground)... but if normally works good enough, and the issue is just
routers dying, I'd certainly try just sticking a surge suppressors on each
end.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 2/3/17 10:36, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>> But if the entire run is underground, hard to put something in the middle.
>>
>
>
> If it's a full underground run exceeding 100m then that's a job for fiber
> and power (if no power at far side). Or VDSL bridges.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

lolz

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM,  wrote:

> Here are a few items I still have for sale... www.mccowntech.com
>
> *From:* Timothy Yent
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 11:45 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale
>
>
> If interested in any of the items below, please let me know.  Make offer,
> no reasonable offer will be refused.  Shipping to be paid by buyer.
>
> 6  Last Mile Gear CTM-100 Slave units
>
> 41 12dB 2.4 Ghz ePMP WBMFG Reflector Dish
>
> 1 Allot NetEnforcer AC-1440
>
> 1 Allot NetEnforcer Bypass
>
> You can view product specifications at http://www.allot.com/products/
> platforms/netenforcer/
>
>
>
> Tim
>
> Mercury Network Corporation
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] FS: Miscellaneous

[Jason McKemie]

Just cleaned out the office, and I have the following available:

9x Cyclone Rotopol 5700 (unused)
7x Motorola 600ss (unused)
4x Motorola 2400sm (used, believed to be working)
1x Motorola 5700sm (used, believed to be working)
2x WBH 2.4GHz stinger (unused)
1x WBH 5.7GHz 450 stinger (unused)
1x WBH RCL-1 (unused)
2x Motorola 5GHz Lens (1 used, 1 unused)
2x Ubiquiti Rocket M5 (unused)
1x Ubiquiti AM 5G19 Sector (used)
1x Cambium 320 Sector (Laird I believe, I do not think it has been deployed
- Model number is 85010107001 - 3.3-3.8GHz, 65Deg, 17dBi)
1x Cisco 2611XM w/2x WIC 1DSU T1
1x Cisco Expansion Card w/2x WIC 1DSU T1 and 2x Ethernet
1x Mikrotik CRS212-1G-10S-1S+ IN (used for a few months in climate
controlled enclosure)
2x Occam 2342 ONT (unused)

Make an offer.

Thanks.

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 vs Packetflux

[Bill Prince]

Thanks George.


bp


On 2/2/2017 7:02 PM, George Skorup wrote:
Yes. The 450m has an Aux port capable of powering a UGPS and receiving 
sync from it. Same goes for the SyncBox Junior Aux version. I've used 
them on several 450i's and they work great. Except the GPS data, which 
Cambium still needs to fix on the 450i. They also broke autoSyncStatus 
via SNMP in 14.2.1 and up.


On 2/2/2017 6:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
So if the gigabit syncinjector can power the 450M (but won't supply 
sync), does that mean I can use a 4 channel Gigabit POE injector for 
power, and use a SyncBox Junior for sync?


-bp


On Thursday, February 2, 2017 3:44 PM, Sam Lambie 
 wrote:



Hi Sean, since the 15.0.2.1 firmware release, have you had a chance 
to hang the 450m yet? If so, how is it performing?


On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Sean Heskett > wrote:


Hi Gang,

sorry I'm late to the conversation.

We have successfully provided sync over power to our 450m's using:
1.  Packetflux gigabit sync injector.
2.  Lastmile gear CTM2 (power option G - you need the latest
firmware)

We have successfully provided sync over timing port to our 450m's
using:
1.  Cambium uGPS
2.  Packetflux sync box 12 (rev I0)


Hope that helps!

-Sean





On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Traveling Diner
mailto:ccie4...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So we had two of three 450Ms walk in the door today. And we
haven't bought power or GPS for them yet waiting to see what
was going to happen with either CMM5 or PFlux support for
them. Which now puts us at an awsh*t point because we'd
really like to get these up on a tower. Could someone
(Forrest, Sean, et al.) please weigh in authoritatively on
whether we can safely do this with PFlux or if we need to
order the standalone power and UGPS in the interim?

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 6:41 PM, George Skorup
mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

I'm confused because the official position is that the
450m uses "Cambium Sync" (whatever the hell that is). But
Sean said he has a 450m receiving sync over power (aka
Canopy Sync) from a GigE PowerInjector+Sync I believe.
Apparently the hardware does support it.


On 12/14/2016 5:05 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote:

Other than supporting Sync over power for Medusa,
what else does the new CMM5 give you over the
competition?

http://www.doubleradius.com/Ma
nufacturers/Accessories_34/


Is Sync over power for 450m on the Packetflux roadmap?







--
--
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

[Ken Hohhof]

Would a Focus Ring help me focus?  I could use that.  Does it work like the 
bucket that Gomer Pyle put on his head?  Or is it more like Captain Planet and 
the Planeteers?  (by our powers combined …)

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

 

lolz

 

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Here are a few items I still have for sale... www.mccowntech.com 
  

 

From: Timothy Yent 

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:45 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

 

If interested in any of the items below, please let me know.  Make offer, no 
reasonable offer will be refused.  Shipping to be paid by buyer.  

6  Last Mile Gear CTM-100 Slave units

41 12dB 2.4 Ghz ePMP WBMFG Reflector Dish 

1 Allot NetEnforcer AC-1440   

1 Allot NetEnforcer Bypass 

You can view product specifications at 
http://www.allot.com/products/platforms/netenforcer/

 

Tim

Mercury Network Corporation

 

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Switch with 12 SFP's

[Adam Moffett]

How come all of the Mikrotik fiber switches have 10 SFP's? I'd like a 
12S-1S+ model.


There are 12 fibers in a buffer tube, So I'd put 12 BiDi's in my 12S 
switch and label it as the "Blue Buffer Tube Switch".


Or maybe that's the most anal product design requirement ever.

Re: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

[Mathew Howard]

Yes... I'm pretty sure it would help you focus. I would think wearing it on
your head would be the most effective.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:45 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Would a Focus Ring help me focus?  I could use that.  Does it work like
> the bucket that Gomer Pyle put on his head?  Or is it more like Captain
> Planet and the Planeteers?  (by our powers combined …)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 1:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale
>
>
>
> lolz
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM,  wrote:
>
> Here are a few items I still have for sale... www.mccowntech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Timothy Yent
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 11:45 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale
>
>
>
> If interested in any of the items below, please let me know.  Make offer,
> no reasonable offer will be refused.  Shipping to be paid by buyer.
>
> 6  Last Mile Gear CTM-100 Slave units
>
> 41 12dB 2.4 Ghz ePMP WBMFG Reflector Dish
>
> 1 Allot NetEnforcer AC-1440
>
> 1 Allot NetEnforcer Bypass
>
> You can view product specifications at http://www.allot.com/products/
> platforms/netenforcer/
>
>
>
> Tim
>
> Mercury Network Corporation
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

[chuck]

Especially if you wrap your lips around it prior to eating.
(Just got a patent for it).

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

Would a Focus Ring help me focus?  I could use that.  Does it work like the 
bucket that Gomer Pyle put on his head?  Or is it more like Captain Planet and 
the Planeteers?  (by our powers combined …)

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

 

lolz

 

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM,  wrote:

  Here are a few items I still have for sale... www.mccowntech.com 

   

  From: Timothy Yent 

  Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:45 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

   

  If interested in any of the items below, please let me know.  Make offer, no 
reasonable offer will be refused.  Shipping to be paid by buyer.  

  6  Last Mile Gear CTM-100 Slave units

  41 12dB 2.4 Ghz ePMP WBMFG Reflector Dish 

  1 Allot NetEnforcer AC-1440   

  1 Allot NetEnforcer Bypass 

  You can view product specifications at 
http://www.allot.com/products/platforms/netenforcer/

   

  Tim

  Mercury Network Corporation

   

   





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 12 SFP's

[chuck]

Metric.
Buy ‘merican.

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:49 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Switch with 12 SFP's

How come all of the Mikrotik fiber switches have 10 SFP's? I'd like a 12S-1S+ 
model. 

There are 12 fibers in a buffer tube, So I'd put 12 BiDi's in my 12S switch and 
label it as the "Blue Buffer Tube Switch".


Or maybe that's the most anal product design requirement ever.

Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

[chuck]

https://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-P-36.PDF

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

OK, how about basing it on this:
https://www.mccowntech.com/800-m-tow-p-36-36-inch-pipe-standoff/

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

High level engineering drawing

On Feb 3, 2017 12:50 PM,  wrote:

  Show me what is out there and show me how you would like it changed.  I will 
make it.  

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

  Rohn makes a light weight one. I think Valmont makes one designed die a tower 
that puts the pulley or about 3 feet and is really handy for mounting disks on 
the side of towers.  Chuck should make one. 



  On Fri, Feb 3, 2017, 11:40 AM  wrote:

Find a crazy young guy, unmarried, no kids, orphans are the best.  Make him 
sign a hold harmless.  Pay him as a contractor to climb up and pull the stuff 
up.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 10:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

yard arm 

if youre on a leg, mot have a spot for attaching a rotating one
most grain elevators either have one or where the radius of two bins 
intersect there is a steel beam
a very dangerous but effective solution is harnessing your guy, put a 
pulley on his front loops and secure his back to the structure have him lean 
out 45 degrees, or bring up a light weight A frame, not as fun though


On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Darin Steffl  
wrote:

  Hey guys, 

  I'm not sure if Gin Pole is the right term but we're looking for 
something like that for lifting things up our grain leg sites that will attach 
to the structure or our antenna pipes. This would allow us to attach our pulley 
above the structure so we can lift our gear up and over the railings at our 
sites.

  Any idea what exactly I should be looking for and any recommended 
products for us to look at? 

  Thanks


  -- 

  Darin Steffl 
  Minnesota WiFi
  www.mnwifi.com
  507-634-WiFi
   Like us on Facebook
-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

[chuck]

OK, how about basing it on this:
https://www.mccowntech.com/800-m-tow-p-36-36-inch-pipe-standoff/

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

High level engineering drawing

On Feb 3, 2017 12:50 PM,  wrote:

  Show me what is out there and show me how you would like it changed.  I will 
make it.  

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

  Rohn makes a light weight one. I think Valmont makes one designed die a tower 
that puts the pulley or about 3 feet and is really handy for mounting disks on 
the side of towers.  Chuck should make one. 



  On Fri, Feb 3, 2017, 11:40 AM  wrote:

Find a crazy young guy, unmarried, no kids, orphans are the best.  Make him 
sign a hold harmless.  Pay him as a contractor to climb up and pull the stuff 
up.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 10:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

yard arm 

if youre on a leg, mot have a spot for attaching a rotating one
most grain elevators either have one or where the radius of two bins 
intersect there is a steel beam
a very dangerous but effective solution is harnessing your guy, put a 
pulley on his front loops and secure his back to the structure have him lean 
out 45 degrees, or bring up a light weight A frame, not as fun though


On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Darin Steffl  
wrote:

  Hey guys, 

  I'm not sure if Gin Pole is the right term but we're looking for 
something like that for lifting things up our grain leg sites that will attach 
to the structure or our antenna pipes. This would allow us to attach our pulley 
above the structure so we can lift our gear up and over the railings at our 
sites.

  Any idea what exactly I should be looking for and any recommended 
products for us to look at? 

  Thanks


  -- 

  Darin Steffl 
  Minnesota WiFi
  www.mnwifi.com
  507-634-WiFi
   Like us on Facebook
-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

the arms on the grain legs rotate over to drop your gear onto the platform
instead of manhandling it over the rail.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:58 PM,  wrote:

> https://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-P-36.PDF
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 12:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>
> OK, how about basing it on this:
> https://www.mccowntech.com/800-m-tow-p-36-36-inch-pipe-standoff/
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 12:54 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>
> High level engineering drawing
>
> On Feb 3, 2017 12:50 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Show me what is out there and show me how you would like it changed.  I
>> will make it.
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>>
>>
>> Rohn makes a light weight one. I think Valmont makes one designed die a
>> tower that puts the pulley or about 3 feet and is really handy for mounting
>> disks on the side of towers.  Chuck should make one.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017, 11:40 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Find a crazy young guy, unmarried, no kids, orphans are the best.  Make
>>> him sign a hold harmless.  Pay him as a contractor to climb up and pull the
>>> stuff up.
>>>
>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 10:37 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>>>
>>> yard arm
>>>
>>> if youre on a leg, mot have a spot for attaching a rotating one
>>> most grain elevators either have one or where the radius of two bins
>>> intersect there is a steel beam
>>> a very dangerous but effective solution is harnessing your guy, put a
>>> pulley on his front loops and secure his back to the structure have him
>>> lean out 45 degrees, or bring up a light weight A frame, not as fun though
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Darin Steffl 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if Gin Pole is the right term but we're looking for
>>> something like that for lifting things up our grain leg sites that will
>>> attach to the structure or our antenna pipes. This would allow us to attach
>>> our pulley above the structure so we can lift our gear up and over the
>>> railings at our sites.
>>>
>>> Any idea what exactly I should be looking for and any recommended
>>> products for us to look at?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> --
>>> Darin Steffl
>>> Minnesota WiFi
>>> www.mnwifi.com
>>> 507-634-WiFi
>>>  Like us on Facebook
>>> 
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

[chuck]

OK, but I could use my mount as the base and then the arm and pulley from your 
drawing on top, yes?
Essentially an attachment to add on to my tower mounts?

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 1:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

the arms on the grain legs rotate over to drop your gear onto the platform 
instead of manhandling it over the rail. 

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:58 PM,  wrote:

  https://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-P-36.PDF

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:57 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

  OK, how about basing it on this:
  https://www.mccowntech.com/800-m-tow-p-36-36-inch-pipe-standoff/

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:54 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

  High level engineering drawing

  On Feb 3, 2017 12:50 PM,  wrote:

Show me what is out there and show me how you would like it changed.  I 
will make it.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

Rohn makes a light weight one. I think Valmont makes one designed die a 
tower that puts the pulley or about 3 feet and is really handy for mounting 
disks on the side of towers.  Chuck should make one. 



On Fri, Feb 3, 2017, 11:40 AM  wrote:

  Find a crazy young guy, unmarried, no kids, orphans are the best.  Make 
him sign a hold harmless.  Pay him as a contractor to climb up and pull the 
stuff up.  

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 10:37 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

  yard arm 

  if youre on a leg, mot have a spot for attaching a rotating one
  most grain elevators either have one or where the radius of two bins 
intersect there is a steel beam
  a very dangerous but effective solution is harnessing your guy, put a 
pulley on his front loops and secure his back to the structure have him lean 
out 45 degrees, or bring up a light weight A frame, not as fun though


  On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Darin Steffl  
wrote:

Hey guys, 

I'm not sure if Gin Pole is the right term but we're looking for 
something like that for lifting things up our grain leg sites that will attach 
to the structure or our antenna pipes. This would allow us to attach our pulley 
above the structure so we can lift our gear up and over the railings at our 
sites.

Any idea what exactly I should be looking for and any recommended 
products for us to look at? 

Thanks


-- 

Darin Steffl 
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook
  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

the mtows are 500lbs each? I would think so, the grain leg ones alot of
times are this same concept, pipe sitting on a pin with a grease zerk on it
and a sleeve or flat metal halfway up that it goes through, no bearings
really. The middle sleeve is where the bulk of the force ends up i think

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:12 PM,  wrote:

> OK, but I could use my mount as the base and then the arm and pulley from
> your drawing on top, yes?
> Essentially an attachment to add on to my tower mounts?
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 1:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>
> the arms on the grain legs rotate over to drop your gear onto the platform
> instead of manhandling it over the rail.
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:58 PM,  wrote:
>
>> https://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-P-36.PDF
>>
>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 12:57 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>>
>> OK, how about basing it on this:
>> https://www.mccowntech.com/800-m-tow-p-36-36-inch-pipe-standoff/
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 12:54 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>>
>> High level engineering drawing
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2017 12:50 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Show me what is out there and show me how you would like it changed.  I
>>> will make it.
>>>
>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>>>
>>>
>>> Rohn makes a light weight one. I think Valmont makes one designed die a
>>> tower that puts the pulley or about 3 feet and is really handy for mounting
>>> disks on the side of towers.  Chuck should make one.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017, 11:40 AM  wrote:
>>>
 Find a crazy young guy, unmarried, no kids, orphans are the best.  Make
 him sign a hold harmless.  Pay him as a contractor to climb up and pull the
 stuff up.

 *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
 *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 10:37 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

 yard arm

 if youre on a leg, mot have a spot for attaching a rotating one
 most grain elevators either have one or where the radius of two bins
 intersect there is a steel beam
 a very dangerous but effective solution is harnessing your guy, put a
 pulley on his front loops and secure his back to the structure have him
 lean out 45 degrees, or bring up a light weight A frame, not as fun though


 On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Darin Steffl 
 wrote:

 Hey guys,

 I'm not sure if Gin Pole is the right term but we're looking for
 something like that for lifting things up our grain leg sites that will
 attach to the structure or our antenna pipes. This would allow us to attach
 our pulley above the structure so we can lift our gear up and over the
 railings at our sites.

 Any idea what exactly I should be looking for and any recommended
 products for us to look at?

 Thanks

 --
 Darin Steffl
 Minnesota WiFi
 www.mnwifi.com
 507-634-WiFi
  Like us on Facebook
 

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

[chuck]

Perhaps instead use a pair of these to start with so you are not limited to a 
particular spacing between clamps.  
https://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-A.pdf

Then a pipe, coupled to another pipe for the swivel etc etc.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

the mtows are 500lbs each? I would think so, the grain leg ones alot of times 
are this same concept, pipe sitting on a pin with a grease zerk on it and a 
sleeve or flat metal halfway up that it goes through, no bearings really. The 
middle sleeve is where the bulk of the force ends up i think

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:12 PM,  wrote:

  OK, but I could use my mount as the base and then the arm and pulley from 
your drawing on top, yes?
  Essentially an attachment to add on to my tower mounts?

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 1:03 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

  the arms on the grain legs rotate over to drop your gear onto the platform 
instead of manhandling it over the rail. 

  On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:58 PM,  wrote:

https://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-P-36.PDF

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

OK, how about basing it on this:
https://www.mccowntech.com/800-m-tow-p-36-36-inch-pipe-standoff/

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

High level engineering drawing

On Feb 3, 2017 12:50 PM,  wrote:

  Show me what is out there and show me how you would like it changed.  I 
will make it.  

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

  Rohn makes a light weight one. I think Valmont makes one designed die a 
tower that puts the pulley or about 3 feet and is really handy for mounting 
disks on the side of towers.  Chuck should make one. 



  On Fri, Feb 3, 2017, 11:40 AM  wrote:

Find a crazy young guy, unmarried, no kids, orphans are the best.  Make 
him sign a hold harmless.  Pay him as a contractor to climb up and pull the 
stuff up.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 10:37 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

yard arm 

if youre on a leg, mot have a spot for attaching a rotating one
most grain elevators either have one or where the radius of two bins 
intersect there is a steel beam
a very dangerous but effective solution is harnessing your guy, put a 
pulley on his front loops and secure his back to the structure have him lean 
out 45 degrees, or bring up a light weight A frame, not as fun though


On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Darin Steffl  
wrote:

  Hey guys, 

  I'm not sure if Gin Pole is the right term but we're looking for 
something like that for lifting things up our grain leg sites that will attach 
to the structure or our antenna pipes. This would allow us to attach our pulley 
above the structure so we can lift our gear up and over the railings at our 
sites.

  Any idea what exactly I should be looking for and any recommended 
products for us to look at? 

  Thanks


  -- 

  Darin Steffl 
  Minnesota WiFi
  www.mnwifi.com
  507-634-WiFi
   Like us on Facebook
-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 12 SFP's

[fiberrun]

UBNT has a 12 port SFP switch for $200 and a 12 port SFP+ switch for $600. 


Jared
 
 

On Friday, February 03, 2017 Adam Moffett wrote:

How come all of the Mikrotik fiber switches have 10 SFP's? I'd like a 12S-1S+ 
model.
 
There are 12 fibers in a buffer tube, So I'd put 12 BiDi's in my 12S switch and 
label it as the "Blue Buffer Tube Switch".
 
Or maybe that's the most anal product design requirement ever.
 

Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 12 SFP's

[Adam Moffett]

I noticedbut I've heard complaints about reliability.


-- Original Message --
From: fiber...@mail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/3/2017 3:24:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 12 SFP's

UBNT has a 12 port SFP switch for $200 and a 12 port SFP+ switch for 
$600.



Jared



On Friday, February 03, 2017 Adam Moffett wrote:

How come all of the Mikrotik fiber switches have 10 SFP's? I'd like a 
12S-1S+ model.


There are 12 fibers in a buffer tube, So I'd put 12 BiDi's in my 12S 
switch and label it as the "Blue Buffer Tube Switch".


Or maybe that's the most anal product design requirement ever.

Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

the top clamp with the slip plate would only be limited by where the
support attached.
i dont know how strong threaded water pipe couplers are, will they take
much lateral force?


On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:23 PM,  wrote:

> Perhaps instead use a pair of these to start with so you are not limited
> to a particular spacing between clamps.
> https://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-A.pdf
>
> Then a pipe, coupled to another pipe for the swivel etc etc.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 1:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>
> the mtows are 500lbs each? I would think so, the grain leg ones alot of
> times are this same concept, pipe sitting on a pin with a grease zerk on it
> and a sleeve or flat metal halfway up that it goes through, no bearings
> really. The middle sleeve is where the bulk of the force ends up i think
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:12 PM,  wrote:
>
>> OK, but I could use my mount as the base and then the arm and pulley from
>> your drawing on top, yes?
>> Essentially an attachment to add on to my tower mounts?
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 1:03 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>>
>> the arms on the grain legs rotate over to drop your gear onto the
>> platform instead of manhandling it over the rail.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:58 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-P-36.PDF
>>>
>>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 12:57 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>>>
>>> OK, how about basing it on this:
>>> https://www.mccowntech.com/800-m-tow-p-36-36-inch-pipe-standoff/
>>>
>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 12:54 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>>>
>>> High level engineering drawing
>>>
>>> On Feb 3, 2017 12:50 PM,  wrote:
>>>
 Show me what is out there and show me how you would like it changed.  I
 will make it.

 *From:* Lewis Bergman
 *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs


 Rohn makes a light weight one. I think Valmont makes one designed die a
 tower that puts the pulley or about 3 feet and is really handy for mounting
 disks on the side of towers.  Chuck should make one.

 On Fri, Feb 3, 2017, 11:40 AM  wrote:

> Find a crazy young guy, unmarried, no kids, orphans are the best.
> Make him sign a hold harmless.  Pay him as a contractor to climb up and
> pull the stuff up.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 10:37 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>
> yard arm
>
> if youre on a leg, mot have a spot for attaching a rotating one
> most grain elevators either have one or where the radius of two bins
> intersect there is a steel beam
> a very dangerous but effective solution is harnessing your guy, put a
> pulley on his front loops and secure his back to the structure have him
> lean out 45 degrees, or bring up a light weight A frame, not as fun though
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Darin Steffl  > wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> I'm not sure if Gin Pole is the right term but we're looking for
> something like that for lifting things up our grain leg sites that will
> attach to the structure or our antenna pipes. This would allow us to 
> attach
> our pulley above the structure so we can lift our gear up and over the
> railings at our sites.
>
> Any idea what exactly I should be looking for and any recommended
> products for us to look at?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

[Ken Hohhof]

Are you sure that you’re not solving a problem that’s already been solved?  
People lift equipment up grain legs all the time.  If there isn’t a permanent 
lifting device installed, I doubt a WISP will want to install one, more likely 
rig something temporary.  Like an aluminum snatch block tied off to the 
structure, with another pulley travelling along the rope to carry the load.

 

This situation comes up all the time at towers, and you rig something.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 2:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

 

Perhaps instead use a pair of these to start with so you are not limited to a 
particular spacing between clamps.  

https://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-A.pdf

 

Then a pipe, coupled to another pipe for the swivel etc etc.  

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 1:19 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

 

the mtows are 500lbs each? I would think so, the grain leg ones alot of times 
are this same concept, pipe sitting on a pin with a grease zerk on it and a 
sleeve or flat metal halfway up that it goes through, no bearings really. The 
middle sleeve is where the bulk of the force ends up i think

 

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:12 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

OK, but I could use my mount as the base and then the arm and pulley from your 
drawing on top, yes?

Essentially an attachment to add on to my tower mounts?

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 1:03 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

 

the arms on the grain legs rotate over to drop your gear onto the platform 
instead of manhandling it over the rail. 

 

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:58 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

https://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-P-36.PDF

 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com   

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:57 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

 

OK, how about basing it on this:

https://www.mccowntech.com/800-m-tow-p-36-36-inch-pipe-standoff/

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:54 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

 

High level engineering drawing

 

On Feb 3, 2017 12:50 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Show me what is out there and show me how you would like it changed.  I will 
make it.  

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

 

Rohn makes a light weight one. I think Valmont makes one designed die a tower 
that puts the pulley or about 3 feet and is really handy for mounting disks on 
the side of towers.  Chuck should make one. 

 

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017, 11:40 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Find a crazy young guy, unmarried, no kids, orphans are the best.  Make him 
sign a hold harmless.  Pay him as a contractor to climb up and pull the stuff 
up.  

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 10:37 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

 

yard arm 

 

if youre on a leg, mot have a spot for attaching a rotating one

most grain elevators either have one or where the radius of two bins intersect 
there is a steel beam

a very dangerous but effective solution is harnessing your guy, put a pulley on 
his front loops and secure his back to the structure have him lean out 45 
degrees, or bring up a light weight A frame, not as fun though

 

 

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Darin Steffl mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > wrote:

Hey guys, 

 

I'm not sure if Gin Pole is the right term but we're looking for something like 
that for lifting things up our grain leg sites that will attach to the 
structure or our antenna pipes. This would allow us to attach our pulley above 
the structure so we can lift our gear up and over the railings at our sites.

 

Any idea what exactly I should be looking for and any recommended products for 
us to look at? 

 

Thanks


 

-- 

Darin Steffl 

Minnesota WiFi

www.mnwifi.com  

507-634-WiFi

   Like us on Facebook 
 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't 

Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

that what this is, a temporary, robust item that you clamp on, like the 25g
erection gin poles. clamp, lift, detach, repeat
i just want it made out of mtows
i like mtows, I have a picture of a milwaukee bag filled with them, if i
wasnt so cheap to pay the ten cents at walgreens i would have printed that
picture out to keep in my wallet next to the pictures of my kids. If I had
room on the couch, i would sleep with the mtows at night

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Are you sure that you’re not solving a problem that’s already been
> solved?  People lift equipment up grain legs all the time.  If there isn’t
> a permanent lifting device installed, I doubt a WISP will want to install
> one, more likely rig something temporary.  Like an aluminum snatch block
> tied off to the structure, with another pulley travelling along the rope to
> carry the load.
>
>
>
> This situation comes up all the time at towers, and you rig something.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>
>
>
> Perhaps instead use a pair of these to start with so you are not limited
> to a particular spacing between clamps.
>
> https://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-A.pdf
>
>
>
> Then a pipe, coupled to another pipe for the swivel etc etc.
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 1:19 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>
>
>
> the mtows are 500lbs each? I would think so, the grain leg ones alot of
> times are this same concept, pipe sitting on a pin with a grease zerk on it
> and a sleeve or flat metal halfway up that it goes through, no bearings
> really. The middle sleeve is where the bulk of the force ends up i think
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:12 PM,  wrote:
>
> OK, but I could use my mount as the base and then the arm and pulley from
> your drawing on top, yes?
>
> Essentially an attachment to add on to my tower mounts?
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 1:03 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>
>
>
> the arms on the grain legs rotate over to drop your gear onto the platform
> instead of manhandling it over the rail.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:58 PM,  wrote:
>
> https://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-P-36.PDF
>
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 12:57 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>
>
>
> OK, how about basing it on this:
>
> https://www.mccowntech.com/800-m-tow-p-36-36-inch-pipe-standoff/
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 12:54 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>
>
>
> High level engineering drawing
>
>
>
> On Feb 3, 2017 12:50 PM,  wrote:
>
> Show me what is out there and show me how you would like it changed.  I
> will make it.
>
>
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>
>
>
> Rohn makes a light weight one. I think Valmont makes one designed die a
> tower that puts the pulley or about 3 feet and is really handy for mounting
> disks on the side of towers.  Chuck should make one.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017, 11:40 AM  wrote:
>
> Find a crazy young guy, unmarried, no kids, orphans are the best.  Make
> him sign a hold harmless.  Pay him as a contractor to climb up and pull the
> stuff up.
>
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 10:37 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>
>
>
> yard arm
>
>
>
> if youre on a leg, mot have a spot for attaching a rotating one
>
> most grain elevators either have one or where the radius of two bins
> intersect there is a steel beam
>
> a very dangerous but effective solution is harnessing your guy, put a
> pulley on his front loops and secure his back to the structure have him
> lean out 45 degrees, or bring up a light weight A frame, not as fun though
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
>
>
> I'm not sure if Gin Pole is the right term but we're looking for something
> like that for lifting things up our grain leg sites that will attach to the
> structure or our antenna pipes. This would allow us to attach our pulley
> above the structure so we can lift our gear up and over the railings at our
> sites.
>
>
>
> Any idea what exactly I should be looking for and any recommended products
> for us to look at?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> --
>
> Darin Steffl
>
> Minnesota WiFi
>
> www.mnwifi.com
>
> 507-634-WiFi
>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 12 SFP's

[Sean Heskett]

Planet has some nice switches


On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> How come all of the Mikrotik fiber switches have 10 SFP's? I'd like a
> 12S-1S+ model.
>
> There are 12 fibers in a buffer tube, So I'd put 12 BiDi's in my 12S
> switch and label it as the "Blue Buffer Tube Switch".
>
> Or maybe that's the most anal product design requirement ever.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

[Adam Moffett]

It'll be heavy too.you'll have to rig to lift your rigging.  What 
are you going to hoist up the tower that's so big you want the yard arm? 
 I know some people do like big TV antennas and such, but I guess what 
WISP gear are you going to lift that's this big of a deal?


I'm not trying to be a negative Nelly.  It just comes naturally to me.



-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/3/2017 3:50:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

that what this is, a temporary, robust item that you clamp on, like the 
25g erection gin poles. clamp, lift, detach, repeat

i just want it made out of mtows
i like mtows, I have a picture of a milwaukee bag filled with them, if 
i wasnt so cheap to pay the ten cents at walgreens i would have printed 
that picture out to keep in my wallet next to the pictures of my kids. 
If I had room on the couch, i would sleep with the mtows at night


On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
Are you sure that you’re not solving a problem that’s already been 
solved?  People lift equipment up grain legs all the time.  If there 
isn’t a permanent lifting device installed, I doubt a WISP will want 
to install one, more likely rig something temporary.  Like an aluminum 
snatch block tied off to the structure, with another pulley travelling 
along the rope to carry the load.




This situation comes up all the time at towers, and you rig something.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 2:23 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs



Perhaps instead use a pair of these to start with so you are not 
limited to a particular spacing between clamps.


https://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-A.pdf 





Then a pipe, coupled to another pipe for the swivel etc etc.



From: That One Guy /sarcasm

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 1:19 PM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs



the mtows are 500lbs each? I would think so, the grain leg ones alot 
of times are this same concept, pipe sitting on a pin with a grease 
zerk on it and a sleeve or flat metal halfway up that it goes through, 
no bearings really. The middle sleeve is where the bulk of the force 
ends up i think




On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:12 PM,  wrote:

OK, but I could use my mount as the base and then the arm and pulley 
from your drawing on top, yes?


Essentially an attachment to add on to my tower mounts?



From: That One Guy /sarcasm

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 1:03 PM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs



the arms on the grain legs rotate over to drop your gear onto the 
platform instead of manhandling it over the rail.




On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:58 PM,  wrote:

https://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-P-36.PDF 





From:ch...@wbmfg.com

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:57 PM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs



OK, how about basing it on this:

https://www.mccowntech.com/800-m-tow-p-36-36-inch-pipe-standoff/ 





From: That One Guy /sarcasm

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:54 PM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs



High level engineering drawing



On Feb 3, 2017 12:50 PM,  wrote:

Show me what is out there and show me how you would like it 
changed.  I will make it.




From: Lewis Bergman

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs



Rohn makes a light weight one. I think Valmont makes one designed 
die a tower that puts the pulley or about 3 feet and is really 
handy for mounting disks on the side of towers.  Chuck should make 
one.




On Fri, Feb 3, 2017, 11:40 AM  wrote:

Find a crazy young guy, unmarried, no kids, orphans are the best.  
Make him sign a hold harmless.  Pay him as a contractor to climb 
up and pull the stuff up.




From: That One Guy /sarcasm

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 10:37 AM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs



yard arm



if youre on a leg, mot have a spot for attaching a rotating one

most grain elevators either have one or where the radius of two 
bins intersect there is a steel beam


a very dangerous but effective solution is harnessing your guy, 
put a pulley on his front loops and secure his back to the 
structure have him lean out 45 degrees, or bring up a light weight 
A frame, not as fun though






On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Darin Steffl 
 wrote:



Hey guys,



I'm not sure if Gin Pole is the right term but we're looking for 
something like that for lifting things up our

Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

[George Skorup]

We typically install a section or two of 25G on most grain legs. That's 
high enough for rigging to have the hauled gear clear the railing. And 
it keeps most of our gear up away from the nitwits that go up and work 
on stuff. Plus they like to spray that silver metallic paint every 
couple years.


On 2/3/2017 2:50 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
that what this is, a temporary, robust item that you clamp on, like 
the 25g erection gin poles. clamp, lift, detach, repeat

i just want it made out of mtows
i like mtows, I have a picture of a milwaukee bag filled with them, if 
i wasnt so cheap to pay the ten cents at walgreens i would have 
printed that picture out to keep in my wallet next to the pictures of 
my kids. If I had room on the couch, i would sleep with the mtows at night


On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Are you sure that you’re not solving a problem that’s already been
solved?  People lift equipment up grain legs all the time.  If
there isn’t a permanent lifting device installed, I doubt a WISP
will want to install one, more likely rig something temporary. 
Like an aluminum snatch block tied off to the structure, with

another pulley travelling along the rope to carry the load.

This situation comes up all the time at towers, and you rig something.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com

*Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 2:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

Perhaps instead use a pair of these to start with so you are not
limited to a particular spacing between clamps.

https://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-A.pdf


Then a pipe, coupled to another pipe for the swivel etc etc.

*From:*That One Guy /sarcasm

*Sent:*Friday, February 3, 2017 1:19 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

the mtows are 500lbs each? I would think so, the grain leg ones
alot of times are this same concept, pipe sitting on a pin with a
grease zerk on it and a sleeve or flat metal halfway up that it
goes through, no bearings really. The middle sleeve is where the
bulk of the force ends up i think

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:12 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

OK, but I could use my mount as the base and then the arm and
pulley from your drawing on top, yes?

Essentially an attachment to add on to my tower mounts?

*From:*That One Guy /sarcasm

*Sent:*Friday, February 3, 2017 1:03 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

the arms on the grain legs rotate over to drop your gear onto
the platform instead of manhandling it over the rail.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:58 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

https://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-P-36.PDF


*From:*ch...@wbmfg.com 

*Sent:*Friday, February 3, 2017 12:57 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

OK, how about basing it on this:

https://www.mccowntech.com/800-m-tow-p-36-36-inch-pipe-standoff/


*From:*That One Guy /sarcasm

*Sent:*Friday, February 3, 2017 12:54 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

High level engineering drawing

On Feb 3, 2017 12:50 PM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Show me what is out there and show me how you would
like it changed.  I will make it.

*From:*Lewis Bergman

*Sent:*Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up
grain legs

Rohn makes a light weight one. I think Valmont makes
one designed die a tower that puts the pulley or about
3 feet and is really handy for mounting disks on the
side of towers.  Chuck should make one.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017, 11:40 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Find a crazy young guy, unmarried, no kids,
orphans are the best. Make him sign a hold
harmless.  Pay him as a contractor to climb up and

Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

2 mtows, two pipes rough hoisted for rigging

new site build:
4 7' 1 7/8 water pipe
1 3' 1 7/8 water pipe
4 sets UPC1
2 2' antenna and whatever radio
4 EPMP2000 and antenna
4 3ghz antennas and radios
1 cross connect box
10 radio leads
tool bag 1/2 full of shit we need, 1/2 full of shit we dont need but might
1 10' rohn section
1 rohn base
2 4' sections unistrut and clamps
misc hardware for fondling things into place


one rough pull verse all that other shit is the bees knees, unless it the
mopes pulling, in which case, I dont care

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 3:28 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> We typically install a section or two of 25G on most grain legs. That's
> high enough for rigging to have the hauled gear clear the railing. And it
> keeps most of our gear up away from the nitwits that go up and work on
> stuff. Plus they like to spray that silver metallic paint every couple
> years.
>
> On 2/3/2017 2:50 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> that what this is, a temporary, robust item that you clamp on, like the
> 25g erection gin poles. clamp, lift, detach, repeat
> i just want it made out of mtows
> i like mtows, I have a picture of a milwaukee bag filled with them, if i
> wasnt so cheap to pay the ten cents at walgreens i would have printed that
> picture out to keep in my wallet next to the pictures of my kids. If I had
> room on the couch, i would sleep with the mtows at night
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Are you sure that you’re not solving a problem that’s already been
>> solved?  People lift equipment up grain legs all the time.  If there isn’t
>> a permanent lifting device installed, I doubt a WISP will want to install
>> one, more likely rig something temporary.  Like an aluminum snatch block
>> tied off to the structure, with another pulley travelling along the rope to
>> carry the load.
>>
>>
>>
>> This situation comes up all the time at towers, and you rig something.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 2:23 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps instead use a pair of these to start with so you are not limited
>> to a particular spacing between clamps.
>>
>> https://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-A.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> Then a pipe, coupled to another pipe for the swivel etc etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 1:19 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>>
>>
>>
>> the mtows are 500lbs each? I would think so, the grain leg ones alot of
>> times are this same concept, pipe sitting on a pin with a grease zerk on it
>> and a sleeve or flat metal halfway up that it goes through, no bearings
>> really. The middle sleeve is where the bulk of the force ends up i think
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:12 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> OK, but I could use my mount as the base and then the arm and pulley from
>> your drawing on top, yes?
>>
>> Essentially an attachment to add on to my tower mounts?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 1:03 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>>
>>
>>
>> the arms on the grain legs rotate over to drop your gear onto the
>> platform instead of manhandling it over the rail.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 1:58 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> https://www.mccowntech.com/product_images/import/M-TOW-P-36.PDF
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 12:57 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>>
>>
>>
>> OK, how about basing it on this:
>>
>> https://www.mccowntech.com/800-m-tow-p-36-36-inch-pipe-standoff/
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 12:54 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>>
>>
>>
>> High level engineering drawing
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2017 12:50 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> Show me what is out there and show me how you would like it changed.  I
>> will make it.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 11:47 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gin pole for lifting gear up grain legs
>>
>>
>>
>> Rohn makes a light weight one. I think Valmont makes one designed die a
>> tower that puts the pulley or about 3 feet and is really handy for mounting
>> disks on the side of towers.  Chuck should make one.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017, 11:40 AM  wrote:
>>
>> Find a crazy young guy, unmarried, no kids, orphans are the best.  Make
>> him sign a hold harmless.  Pay him as a contractor to climb up and pull the
>> stuff up.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 10:37 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* 

Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

man, there is nothing better than putting in all your sites to generate a
coverage map at high resolution only to realize you used a foot to meter
calculator rather than a miles to kilometer

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 9:48 AM,  wrote:

> I was never able to produce a particular color, but I just wanted a quick
> visible indication of where a repeater would work.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 8:45 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth
>
> im doing -70 to -50 off each of the two end points
> trying to get to where good overlaps produce a certain color, but messing
> with the pallete isnt working as expected
> im not sure how to edit the antenna patterns, Id prefer to just do an arc
> rather than a full omni, there isnt any real gain in this other than it
> being pretty
> in the event we find a structure that wont allow a single midpoint we will
> just overlay that pattern to find a second location
>
> i would prefer to just dray the 5-10 mile band, but i dont know if that
> can be configured the way i want it to, that once again is just for pretty
>
> the long term goal is to build out in 5-8 mile increments to be able to
> stay lower power and cheaper antennas if we license the hops
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 9:35 AM,  wrote:
>
>> I do two coverage maps on the same picture.  I use rainbow (heat map) and
>> dbm and set it to range from –50 to –90.
>> Do one coverage map from one location.  Then when it is painting the
>> second map, possible repeater locations show up as dark or black squares.
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 8:22 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth
>>
>> coverage, to identify areas where typical structures would be beneficial
>> for mid point repeater sites. In this particular project 75 foot grain
>> legs. So we only send out drivers to an area that that would be.
>>
>> I dont recall if clutter maps are at all accurate, and havent been able
>> to get that data to show up in the propagation or if thats just limited to
>> ptp
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Are you asking about PtP or a coverage map?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, February 2, 2017 4:16:07 PM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] exporting radio mobile propagation to google earth
>>>
>>> i used to do this all the time, now i cant remember how. Im plotting for
>>> midpoint scouting. I need to put it on a kml for the guy to go to the
>>> target areas marking structures. being able to interact in google earth is
>>> a requirement and there are other specifics
>>>
>>> if i recall correctly there was an google earth update that was going to
>>> break the kmz overlay option, but that was a long time ago
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 12 SFP's

[fiberrun]

Well, there's always the CCR1016-12S-1S+. 

Jared

On Friday, February 03, 2017 Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> I noticedbut I've heard complaints about reliability.
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: fiber...@mail.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/3/2017 3:24:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 12 SFP's
> 
> >UBNT has a 12 port SFP switch for $200 and a 12 port SFP+ switch for 
> >$600.
> >
> >
> >Jared
> >
> >
> >
> >On Friday, February 03, 2017 Adam Moffett wrote:
> >
> >How come all of the Mikrotik fiber switches have 10 SFP's? I'd like a 
> >12S-1S+ model.
> >
> >There are 12 fibers in a buffer tube, So I'd put 12 BiDi's in my 12S 
> >switch and label it as the "Blue Buffer Tube Switch".
> >
> >Or maybe that's the most anal product design requirement ever.
> >
> 
> 

[AFMUG] Tight buffered drop cable

[Adam Moffett]

For FTTH, Mikrotik makes a $39 outdoor media converter.

If I use a drop cable with a tight buffered fiber inside, I could put an 
SOC right on it and plug it directly into the media converter.  No 
interconnect box, no splice tray.


Is this idea retarded?

Re: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

[Brian Sullivan]

I have noticed about 10% throughput increase using a focus ring on our 
5g OFDM SM's.  Why?

And why hasn't Cambium figured this out and include them?

On 2/3/2017 1:51 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Especially if you wrap your lips around it prior to eating.
(Just got a patent for it).
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 12:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

Would a Focus Ring help me focus?  I could use that.  Does it work 
like the bucket that Gomer Pyle put on his head? Or is it more like 
Captain Planet and the Planeteers? (by our powers combined …)


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy 
/sarcasm

*Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 1:24 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

lolz

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM,  wrote:

Here are a few items I still have for sale... www.mccowntech.com


*From:*Timothy Yent

*Sent:*Friday, February 3, 2017 11:45 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*[AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

If interested in any of the items below, please let me know.  Make
offer, no reasonable offer will be refused. Shipping to be paid by
buyer.

6  Last Mile Gear CTM-100 Slave units

41 12dB 2.4 Ghz ePMP WBMFG Reflector Dish

1 Allot NetEnforcer AC-1440

1 Allot NetEnforcer Bypass

You can view product specifications at
http://www.allot.com/products/platforms/netenforcer/

Tim

Mercury Network Corporation



--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Tight buffered drop cable

[Josh Reynolds]

One of the main advantages of fiber to the home, at least in the case of an
internal ONT, is that there are no electronics on the outside of the house
and no electrical pathway inside.

You'll likely also want to preterminate several connectors on the outside
of the home on the fiber side... So you'll need a place to store those.
Likely don't have the right setup for that with their box.

On Feb 3, 2017 4:17 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

For FTTH, Mikrotik makes a $39 outdoor media converter.

If I use a drop cable with a tight buffered fiber inside, I could put an
SOC right on it and plug it directly into the media converter.  No
interconnect box, no splice tray.

Is this idea retarded?

Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 12 SFP's

[Josh Reynolds]

.. such as?

On Feb 3, 2017 2:35 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> I noticedbut I've heard complaints about reliability.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: fiber...@mail.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/3/2017 3:24:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 12 SFP's
>
> UBNT has a 12 port SFP switch for $200 and a 12 port SFP+ switch for $600.
>>
>>
>> Jared
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, February 03, 2017 Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> How come all of the Mikrotik fiber switches have 10 SFP's? I'd like a
>> 12S-1S+ model.
>>
>> There are 12 fibers in a buffer tube, So I'd put 12 BiDi's in my 12S
>> switch and label it as the "Blue Buffer Tube Switch".
>>
>> Or maybe that's the most anal product design requirement ever.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tight buffered drop cable

[Chris Fabien]

We put it in a $15 nid box makes a much cleaner install and space to store
slack cable.

On Feb 3, 2017 5:17 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> For FTTH, Mikrotik makes a $39 outdoor media converter.
>
> If I use a drop cable with a tight buffered fiber inside, I could put an
> SOC right on it and plug it directly into the media converter.  No
> interconnect box, no splice tray.
>
> Is this idea retarded?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tight buffered drop cable

[Chuck McCown]

You will still need some kind of enclosure or something to dress it up nicely 
and protect the fiber. 

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 3:16 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Tight buffered drop cable

For FTTH, Mikrotik makes a $39 outdoor media converter. 

If I use a drop cable with a tight buffered fiber inside, I could put an SOC 
right on it and plug it directly into the media converter.  No interconnect 
box, no splice tray.  

Is this idea retarded?

Re: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

[Chuck McCown]

Little thing called a patent.  

They can call any time they want and I will be happy to help them out.

From: Brian Sullivan 
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 3:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

I have noticed about 10% throughput increase using a focus ring on our 5g OFDM 
SM's.  Why?
And why hasn't Cambium figured this out and include them?


On 2/3/2017 1:51 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Especially if you wrap your lips around it prior to eating.
  (Just got a patent for it).

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 12:45 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

  Would a Focus Ring help me focus?  I could use that.  Does it work like the 
bucket that Gomer Pyle put on his head?  Or is it more like Captain Planet and 
the Planeteers?  (by our powers combined …)

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
  Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 1:24 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

   

  lolz

   

  On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:49 PM,  wrote:

Here are a few items I still have for sale... www.mccowntech.com 

 

From: Timothy Yent 

Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 11:45 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Items I still have for sale

 

If interested in any of the items below, please let me know.  Make offer, 
no reasonable offer will be refused.  Shipping to be paid by buyer.  

6  Last Mile Gear CTM-100 Slave units

41 12dB 2.4 Ghz ePMP WBMFG Reflector Dish 

1 Allot NetEnforcer AC-1440   

1 Allot NetEnforcer Bypass 

You can view product specifications at 
http://www.allot.com/products/platforms/netenforcer/

 

Tim

Mercury Network Corporation

 

 





   

  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 12 SFP's

[Adam Moffett]

Such as "my ubiquiti switch suddenly died for no reason on a clear blue 
day"

...plus in general that company has not endeared itself to me.



-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/3/2017 5:20:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 12 SFP's


.. such as?

On Feb 3, 2017 2:35 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

I noticedbut I've heard complaints about reliability.


-- Original Message --
From: fiber...@mail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/3/2017 3:24:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 12 SFP's

UBNT has a 12 port SFP switch for $200 and a 12 port SFP+ switch for 
$600.



Jared



On Friday, February 03, 2017 Adam Moffett wrote:

How come all of the Mikrotik fiber switches have 10 SFP's? I'd like a 
12S-1S+ model.


There are 12 fibers in a buffer tube, So I'd put 12 BiDi's in my 12S 
switch and label it as the "Blue Buffer Tube Switch".


Or maybe that's the most anal product design requirement ever.

Re: [AFMUG] Tight buffered drop cable

[Jason McKemie]

That media converter has zero diagnostic capability, and you'll want some
slack storage. I've been having good luck with the RB260GS and Corning NID
closures.

On Friday, February 3, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> For FTTH, Mikrotik makes a $39 outdoor media converter.
>
> If I use a drop cable with a tight buffered fiber inside, I could put an
> SOC right on it and plug it directly into the media converter.  No
> interconnect box, no splice tray.
>
> Is this idea retarded?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tight buffered drop cable

[Adam Moffett]

This is why I ask.  I'd rather ask a stupid question than build 
something stupid.


Out of curiosity, why terminate serveral connectors?  Spares?


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/3/2017 5:19:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tight buffered drop cable

One of the main advantages of fiber to the home, at least in the case 
of an internal ONT, is that there are no electronics on the outside of 
the house and no electrical pathway inside.


You'll likely also want to preterminate several connectors on the 
outside of the home on the fiber side... So you'll need a place to 
store those. Likely don't have the right setup for that with their box.


On Feb 3, 2017 4:17 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

For FTTH, Mikrotik makes a $39 outdoor media converter.

If I use a drop cable with a tight buffered fiber inside, I could put 
an SOC right on it and plug it directly into the media converter.  No 
interconnect box, no splice tray.


Is this idea retarded?

Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 12 SFP's

[Josh Reynolds]

I think the 2nd part is getting you more than the first. We used it for a
small TOR aggregation switch and had no issues. I think I've installed
around 20 of the Edgeswitches and another 5 unifi switches and had one
failure. That failure was a known design flaw in an early beta model
though, so I can't really hold them on that one.

On Feb 3, 2017 4:24 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> Such as "my ubiquiti switch suddenly died for no reason on a clear blue
> day"
> ...plus in general that company has not endeared itself to me.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/3/2017 5:20:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 12 SFP's
>
> .. such as?
>
> On Feb 3, 2017 2:35 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
>> I noticedbut I've heard complaints about reliability.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: fiber...@mail.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/3/2017 3:24:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch with 12 SFP's
>>
>> UBNT has a 12 port SFP switch for $200 and a 12 port SFP+ switch for $600.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 03, 2017 Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
>>> How come all of the Mikrotik fiber switches have 10 SFP's? I'd like a
>>> 12S-1S+ model.
>>>
>>> There are 12 fibers in a buffer tube, So I'd put 12 BiDi's in my 12S
>>> switch and label it as the "Blue Buffer Tube Switch".
>>>
>>> Or maybe that's the most anal product design requirement ever.
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Tight buffered drop cable

[Josh Reynolds]

Spares. Problem with one strand on the drop cable? Try another.

On Feb 3, 2017 4:27 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> This is why I ask.  I'd rather ask a stupid question than build something
> stupid.
>
> Out of curiosity, why terminate serveral connectors?  Spares?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/3/2017 5:19:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tight buffered drop cable
>
> One of the main advantages of fiber to the home, at least in the case of
> an internal ONT, is that there are no electronics on the outside of the
> house and no electrical pathway inside.
>
> You'll likely also want to preterminate several connectors on the outside
> of the home on the fiber side... So you'll need a place to store those.
> Likely don't have the right setup for that with their box.
>
> On Feb 3, 2017 4:17 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
> For FTTH, Mikrotik makes a $39 outdoor media converter.
>
> If I use a drop cable with a tight buffered fiber inside, I could put an
> SOC right on it and plug it directly into the media converter.  No
> interconnect box, no splice tray.
>
> Is this idea retarded?
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Ignore the beginning of the article and read what other companies thought of Google and the FCC

[Rory Conaway]

It seems I wasn't the only one seeing that T-Tommy Wheeler was taking marching 
orders from Google.

Rory

Re: [AFMUG] Tight buffered drop cable

[David Kunat]

What are you using for your nid/slack storage?

> On Feb 3, 2017, at 2:20 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
> 
> We put it in a $15 nid box makes a much cleaner install and space to store 
> slack cable. 
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2017 5:17 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>> For FTTH, Mikrotik makes a $39 outdoor media converter.
>> 
>> If I use a drop cable with a tight buffered fiber inside, I could put an SOC 
>> right on it and plug it directly into the media converter.  No interconnect 
>> box, no splice tray.  
>> 
>> Is this idea retarded?

Re: [AFMUG] Tight buffered drop cable

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah, I've probably looked at 30 different NID boxes in the past hour.  
It's hard to tell from pictures how big of a PITA something will be.  
Anybody have a favorite?



-- Original Message --
From: "David Kunat" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/3/2017 5:40:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tight buffered drop cable


What are you using for your nid/slack storage?

On Feb 3, 2017, at 2:20 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:

We put it in a $15 nid box makes a much cleaner install and space to 
store slack cable.


On Feb 3, 2017 5:17 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

For FTTH, Mikrotik makes a $39 outdoor media converter.

If I use a drop cable with a tight buffered fiber inside, I could put 
an SOC right on it and plug it directly into the media converter.  No 
interconnect box, no splice tray.


Is this idea retarded?

[AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun

[Chuck McCown]

And I am already in YouTube Hell.  Listening to Maynard Ferguson videos.  Who 
knows where this ends...

Re: [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun

[Ken Hohhof]

It ends fine.  Unless you decide that you can hit those notes, in which case
it ends with cranial matter splattered all over the walls and ceiling.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 5:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun

 

And I am already in YouTube Hell.  Listening to Maynard Ferguson videos.
Who knows where this ends...

Re: [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun

[Chuck McCown]

I will eventually end up watching chinese forging operations.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 4:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun

It ends fine.  Unless you decide that you can hit those notes, in which case it 
ends with cranial matter splattered all over the walls and ceiling.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 5:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun

 

And I am already in YouTube Hell.  Listening to Maynard Ferguson videos.  Who 
knows where this ends...

[AFMUG] Evolution of the weather Girls???

[Gino Villarini]

So Now we have mikrotik Girls?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_3sx2ykRAnA

Jaime, what's Your take on this?

Get Outlook for iOS





Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Evolution of the weather Girls???

[Jaime Solorza]

Me gusta!!!  Poco flaca para mis gustos...

On Feb 3, 2017 5:03 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> So Now we have mikrotik Girls?
>
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_3sx2ykRAnA
>
> Jaime, what's Your take on this?
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Evolution of the weather Girls???

[Chuck McCown]

I thought so too.   We expect a certain  healthy robustness ... from latina 
pitchwomen.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 5:22 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Evolution of the weather Girls???

Me gusta!!!  Poco flaca para mis gustos... 

On Feb 3, 2017 5:03 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

  So Now we have mikrotik Girls?

  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_3sx2ykRAnA

  Jaime, what's Your take on this?


  Get Outlook for iOS





Gino Villarini
   
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Re: [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun

[Mathew Howard]

Let me help you...

https://youtu.be/tkso02jMck4


On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I will eventually end up watching chinese forging operations.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, February 03, 2017 4:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun
>
>
> It ends fine.  Unless you decide that you can hit those notes, in which
> case it ends with cranial matter splattered all over the walls and ceiling.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 5:31 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun
>
>
>
> And I am already in YouTube Hell.  Listening to Maynard Ferguson videos.
> Who knows where this ends...
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tight buffered drop cable

[Jason McKemie]

I like these:

https://tinyurl.com/haa5u96

On Friday, February 3, 2017, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Yeah, I've probably looked at 30 different NID boxes in the past hour.
> It's hard to tell from pictures how big of a PITA something will be.
> Anybody have a favorite?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "David Kunat"  >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: 2/3/2017 5:40:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tight buffered drop cable
>
> What are you using for your nid/slack storage?
>
> On Feb 3, 2017, at 2:20 PM, Chris Fabien  > wrote:
>
> We put it in a $15 nid box makes a much cleaner install and space to store
> slack cable.
>
> On Feb 3, 2017 5:17 PM, "Adam Moffett"  > wrote:
>
>> For FTTH, Mikrotik makes a $39 outdoor media converter.
>>
>> If I use a drop cable with a tight buffered fiber inside, I could put an
>> SOC right on it and plug it directly into the media converter.  No
>> interconnect box, no splice tray.
>>
>> Is this idea retarded?
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, seen it.  But worth watching again.  Amazing at the precision they attain 
from essentially medieval devices.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 6:02 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun

Let me help you...

https://youtu.be/tkso02jMck4



On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I will eventually end up watching chinese forging operations.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 4:40 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun

  It ends fine.  Unless you decide that you can hit those notes, in which case 
it ends with cranial matter splattered all over the walls and ceiling.





  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 5:31 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun



  And I am already in YouTube Hell.  Listening to Maynard Ferguson videos.  Who 
knows where this ends...

Re: [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun

[Mathew Howard]

It really is pretty amazing... and now I'm sitting here watching Chinese
forging videos...

On Feb 3, 2017 7:05 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Yeah, seen it.  But worth watching again.  Amazing at the precision they
> attain from essentially medieval devices.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, February 03, 2017 6:02 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun
>
> Let me help you...
>
> https://youtu.be/tkso02jMck4
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I will eventually end up watching chinese forging operations.
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 03, 2017 4:40 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun
>>
>>
>> It ends fine.  Unless you decide that you can hit those notes, in which
>> case it ends with cranial matter splattered all over the walls and ceiling.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 5:31 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun
>>
>>
>>
>> And I am already in YouTube Hell.  Listening to Maynard Ferguson videos.
>> Who knows where this ends...
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tight buffered drop cable

[Chris Fabien]

https://www.gomultilink.com/products/rni-3620

We use these, happy with em.

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Yeah, I've probably looked at 30 different NID boxes in the past hour.
> It's hard to tell from pictures how big of a PITA something will be.
> Anybody have a favorite?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "David Kunat" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/3/2017 5:40:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tight buffered drop cable
>
> What are you using for your nid/slack storage?
>
> On Feb 3, 2017, at 2:20 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>
> We put it in a $15 nid box makes a much cleaner install and space to store
> slack cable.
>
> On Feb 3, 2017 5:17 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
>> For FTTH, Mikrotik makes a $39 outdoor media converter.
>>
>> If I use a drop cable with a tight buffered fiber inside, I could put an
>> SOC right on it and plug it directly into the media converter.  No
>> interconnect box, no splice tray.
>>
>> Is this idea retarded?
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Evolution of the weather Girls???

[Mike Hammett]

I guess we better step up our game. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Gino Villarini"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 6:03:49 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Evolution of the weather Girls??? 


So Now we have mikrotik Girls? 


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_3sx2ykRAnA 


Jaime, what's Your take on this? 


Get Outlook for iOS 





Gino Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Re: [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun

[Adam Moffett]

Do they finish that piece on a giant lathe or is it done?

Reminds me of when I went on a tour of a railroad workshop in 
Pennsylvania once.  The "tires" on a locomotive are about that 
diameter.just not as meaty.  They heated the whole tire and hammered 
it off the wheel, then they spun the tire on a really big lathe to bring 
it back to proper roundness.  Heat and hammer to get it back on the 
wheel.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/3/2017 8:05:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun

Yeah, seen it.  But worth watching again.  Amazing at the precision 
they attain from essentially medieval devices.


From:Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 6:02 PM
To:af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun

Let me help you...

https://youtu.be/tkso02jMck4


On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I will eventually end up watching chinese forging operations.

From:Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 4:40 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun

It ends fine.  Unless you decide that you can hit those notes, in 
which case it ends with cranial matter splattered all over the walls 
and ceiling.






From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 5:31 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT the weekend has begun



And I am already in YouTube Hell.  Listening to Maynard Ferguson 
videos.  Who knows where this ends...

Re: [AFMUG] Evolution of the weather Girls???

[Jay Weekley]

I wonder what the Linksys girls would look like.

Mike Hammett wrote:

I guess we better step up our game.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Gino Villarini" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Friday, February 3, 2017 6:03:49 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Evolution of the weather Girls???

So Now we have mikrotik Girls?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_3sx2ykRAnA

Jaime, what's Your take on this?

Get Outlook for iOS 


*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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Re: [AFMUG] Evolution of the weather Girls???

[Chuck McCown]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkuu0Lwb5EM

-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 7:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Evolution of the weather Girls???

I wonder what the Linksys girls would look like.

Mike Hammett wrote:

I guess we better step up our game.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Gino Villarini" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Friday, February 3, 2017 6:03:49 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Evolution of the weather Girls???

So Now we have mikrotik Girls?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_3sx2ykRAnA

Jaime, what's Your take on this?

Get Outlook for iOS 


*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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Re: [AFMUG] Evolution of the weather Girls???

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i dont know what this hymee solza guy is saying, but all i know is that
this girl is hot, like my sister, totally doable

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qkuu0Lwb5EM
>
> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 7:48 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Evolution of the weather Girls???
>
>
> I wonder what the Linksys girls would look like.
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> I guess we better step up our game.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> > telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> > com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> *From: *"Gino Villarini" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Friday, February 3, 2017 6:03:49 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Evolution of the weather Girls???
>>
>> So Now we have mikrotik Girls?
>>
>> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_3sx2ykRAnA
>>
>> Jaime, what's Your take on this?
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS 
>>
>>
>> *//*
>>
>> */Gino Villarini/*
>>
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 
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>>
>>
>


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