date:20170216

I have had to turn on and demonstrate the function of electronic gear at 
airports many times.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

  a.. Under the Fourth Amendment, searches of persons arriving at U.S. ports of 
entry and personal effects in their possession, including computers or other 
personal devices, are reasonable per se. Thus, CBP agents do not need to obtain 
a warrant or have reason to suspect an individual is engaged in illegal 
activity before performing a search. 
  b.. It is unclear whether this rule also applies to CBP efforts to interdict 
outgoing traffic of persons who are leaving the United States.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/authority-us-customs-and-border-protection-agents-overview


On Feb 15, 2017 8:19 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  Sounds like alternative fact to me... Let me get on twitter ,comrade, so I 
can blame this on Clinton and take news... That way all my craven lackeys will 
believe everything I utter or type is sacrosanct Where the hell is my 20% 
tariffed Tecate? 

  On Feb 15, 2017 6:56 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

YES. Customs == border.

On Feb 15, 2017 7:51 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  So he wasn't on US soil?  At customs check in, our rights get suspended?  
 I need to consult the oracle... 

  On Feb 15, 2017 6:43 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

Decent writeup here:


https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/02/a-nasa-engineer-is-required-to-unlock-his-phone-at-the-border/516489/

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:
> Engineer was on US soil, at airport, not border. Good luck with 
that
> fact
>
> On Feb 15, 2017 4:36 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has
>> legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are 
not a
>> threat.
>>
>> Good luck with that.
>>
>> On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>>
>>> If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me 
their
>>> warrant.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> This recently happened to an individual with a government issued 
phone
>>> from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have
>>> clearance to view the classification of the material on this device.
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>>
>>> If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic devices 
like
>>> phones and laptops, be prepared for the possibility they may demand 
that you
>>> unlock the device and let them rummage through your files and 
social media
>>> posts.  Even if you are just an ordinary citizen.  If you think 
they need a
>>> warrant for this, you would be mistaken.  They can probably only 
detain your
>>> for maybe a day and confiscate your phone, but you don’t have the 
same
>>> rights as you  would if a cop stopped you on the street.
>>>
>>> There are rumors the retro Nokia 3310 phone will be revived.  That 
would
>>> probably be a good one to take on foreign trips.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:40 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before 
he left
>>>
>>> Computer wore tennis shoes.
>>> Janitor
>>> Mop bucket
>>> Been done before
>>>
>>> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:34 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before 
he left
>>>
>>> This is interesting, explains alot of the leakage. so basically now 
the
>>> janitors can take a little gander every now and then
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Steve  wrote:
>>>
>>> The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what the 
N.S.A.
>>> may do with the information gathered by its most powerful 
surveillance
>>> operations, which are largely unregulated by American wiretapping 
laws.
>>> These include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls and 
emails
>>> that cross network switches abroad, and messages between people 
abroad that
>>> cross domestic network switches.
>>>
>>> https://pjmedia.com/trending/ 2017/02/15/surprise-at-the-
>>> end-obama-administration-gave- nsa-broad-

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

I would have asked him for a chain of custody receipt.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Yeah there are all kind of rules about local police and even emergency services 
at international airports internal boundaries, we learned about this for EMS, 
not sure why, I guess it would matter if you worked near one. 

But still, those who posess classified information are responsibleish for its 
handling, as long as you don't ask Loretta lynch. No different than going to a 
foreign country. This guy probably got taught about this when he acquired the 
clearance, it was probably all of seven words in a long discussion or whatever 
one does to get clearance. It would have been a better story if he had stood 
his ground until it moved up the chain for clarification.

On Feb 15, 2017 8:31 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

  Sorry, meant to include this as well. 

  DEFINING THE BORDER

  The definition of the border for federal immigration enforcement purposes is 
broad. Activities take place along international land boundaries. Border 
enforcement also takes place at many seaports and along the coastline. Related 
maritime operations occur along the northern border on the Great Lakes and St. 
Lawrence Seaway, and around U.S. territories, such as Puerto Rico.

  In addition, border enforcement exists well inside the United States at 
international airports and up to 100 miles inside the physical border with 
Mexico or Canada, where U.S. Customs and Border Protection has the authority to 
operate checkpoints and transportation checks.

http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2015/02/immigration-enforcement-along-us-borders-and-at-ports-of-entry

  On Feb 15, 2017 7:56 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

YES. Customs == border.

On Feb 15, 2017 7:51 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  So he wasn't on US soil?  At customs check in, our rights get suspended?  
 I need to consult the oracle... 

  On Feb 15, 2017 6:43 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

Decent writeup here:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/02/a-nasa-engineer-is-required-to-unlock-his-phone-at-the-border/516489/

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:
> Engineer was on US soil, at airport, not border. Good luck with 
that
> fact
>
> On Feb 15, 2017 4:36 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has
>> legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are 
not a
>> threat.
>>
>> Good luck with that.
>>
>> On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>>
>>> If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me 
their
>>> warrant.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> This recently happened to an individual with a government issued 
phone
>>> from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have
>>> clearance to view the classification of the material on this device.
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>>
>>> If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic devices 
like
>>> phones and laptops, be prepared for the possibility they may demand 
that you
>>> unlock the device and let them rummage through your files and 
social media
>>> posts.  Even if you are just an ordinary citizen.  If you think 
they need a
>>> warrant for this, you would be mistaken.  They can probably only 
detain your
>>> for maybe a day and confiscate your phone, but you don’t have the 
same
>>> rights as you  would if a cop stopped you on the street.
>>>
>>> There are rumors the retro Nokia 3310 phone will be revived.  That 
would
>>> probably be a good one to take on foreign trips.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:40 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before 
he left
>>>
>>> Computer wore tennis shoes.
>>> Janitor
>>> Mop bucket
>>> Been done before
>>>
>>> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:34 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before 
he left
>>>
>>> This is interesting, explains alot of the leakage. so basically now 
the
>>> janitors can take a little gander every now and then
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 15,

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

I dont know the laws on viewing classified information. Is it criminal to
do so, like say im chillin at the CIA and some guy drops a folder labelled
classified, if I pick it up and look at it is that criminal?

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I would have asked him for a chain of custody receipt.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
> left
>
> Yeah there are all kind of rules about local police and even emergency
> services at international airports internal boundaries, we learned about
> this for EMS, not sure why, I guess it would matter if you worked near one.
>
> But still, those who posess classified information are responsibleish for
> its handling, as long as you don't ask Loretta lynch. No different than
> going to a foreign country. This guy probably got taught about this when he
> acquired the clearance, it was probably all of seven words in a long
> discussion or whatever one does to get clearance. It would have been a
> better story if he had stood his ground until it moved up the chain for
> clarification.
>
> On Feb 15, 2017 8:31 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
> Sorry, meant to include this as well.
>
>
> DEFINING THE BORDER
>
> The definition of the border for federal immigration enforcement purposes
> is broad. Activities take place along international land boundaries. Border
> enforcement also takes place at many seaports and along the coastline.
> Related maritime operations occur along the northern border on the Great
> Lakes and St. Lawrence Seaway, and around U.S. territories, such as Puerto
> Rico.
>
> In addition, border enforcement exists well inside the United States at
> international airports and up to 100 miles inside the physical border with
> Mexico or Canada, where U.S. Customs and Border Protection has the
> authority to operate checkpoints and transportation checks.
>
>
>
> http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-brie
> fs/2015/02/immigration-enforcement-along-us-borders-and-at-ports-of-entry
>
> On Feb 15, 2017 7:56 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> YES. Customs == border.
>>
>> On Feb 15, 2017 7:51 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So he wasn't on US soil?  At customs check in, our rights get
>>> suspended?   I need to consult the oracle...
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2017 6:43 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>>
 Decent writeup here:

 https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/02/a-nas
 a-engineer-is-required-to-unlock-his-phone-at-the-border/516489/

 On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Jaime Solorza
  wrote:
 > Engineer was on US soil, at airport, not border. Good luck with
 that
 > fact
 >
 > On Feb 15, 2017 4:36 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
 wrote:
 >>
 >> You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has
 >> legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are
 not a
 >> threat.
 >>
 >> Good luck with that.
 >>
 >> On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
 >>>
 >>> If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me
 their
 >>> warrant.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds
 >>>  wrote:
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> This recently happened to an individual with a government issued
 phone
 >>> from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have
 >>> clearance to view the classification of the material on this device.
 >>>
 >>> On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
 >>>
 >>> If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic devices
 like
 >>> phones and laptops, be prepared for the possibility they may demand
 that you
 >>> unlock the device and let them rummage through your files and
 social media
 >>> posts.  Even if you are just an ordinary citizen.  If you think
 they need a
 >>> warrant for this, you would be mistaken.  They can probably only
 detain your
 >>> for maybe a day and confiscate your phone, but you don’t have the
 same
 >>> rights as you  would if a cop stopped you on the street.
 >>>
 >>> There are rumors the retro Nokia 3310 phone will be revived.  That
 would
 >>> probably be a good one to take on foreign trips.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
 >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:40 PM
 >>> To: af@afmug.com
 >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before
 he left
 >>>
 >>> Computer wore tennis shoes.
 >>> Janitor
 >>> Mop bucket
 >>> Been done before
 >>>
 >>> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
 >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:34 PM
 >>> To: af@afmug.com
 >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New P

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Dan Petermann

Yes, that is an offense. The person who dropped the classified material did not 
take appropriate action to prevent you from seeing it. Depending upon the 
classification level, that guy could be in serious trouble.

I was one of two people who had a TS-SBI clearance at the facility I worked in. 
There were several procedures we had to go thru to ensure that non cleared 
individuals could not see or access the equipment we worked on. 

As to you picking up classified documents and reading them, I am almost 
positive you would have to sign several documents before you were allowed 
access to an area where classified materiel exists. One of them would address 
that very scenario. The rest of the facility I worked in was classified Secret. 
When we had visitors (mostly military brass) everything had to be covered, 
screen blanked, etc. It was a major pain as all classified material was 
inventoried before anyone got there and again after everyone left.


On Feb 16, 2017, at 8:34 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm  
wrote:

> I dont know the laws on viewing classified information. Is it criminal to do 
> so, like say im chillin at the CIA and some guy drops a folder labelled 
> classified, if I pick it up and look at it is that criminal?
> 
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> I would have asked him for a chain of custody receipt. 
>  
> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:00 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left
>  
> Yeah there are all kind of rules about local police and even emergency 
> services at international airports internal boundaries, we learned about this 
> for EMS, not sure why, I guess it would matter if you worked near one.
>  
> But still, those who posess classified information are responsibleish for its 
> handling, as long as you don't ask Loretta lynch. No different than going to 
> a foreign country. This guy probably got taught about this when he acquired 
> the clearance, it was probably all of seven words in a long discussion or 
> whatever one does to get clearance. It would have been a better story if he 
> had stood his ground until it moved up the chain for clarification.
>  
> On Feb 15, 2017 8:31 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> Sorry, meant to include this as well.
>  
> DEFINING THE BORDER
> 
> The definition of the border for federal immigration enforcement purposes is 
> broad. Activities take place along international land boundaries. Border 
> enforcement also takes place at many seaports and along the coastline. 
> Related maritime operations occur along the northern border on the Great 
> Lakes and St. Lawrence Seaway, and around U.S. territories, such as Puerto 
> Rico.
> 
> In addition, border enforcement exists well inside the United States at 
> international airports and up to 100 miles inside the physical border with 
> Mexico or Canada, where U.S. Customs and Border Protection has the authority 
> to operate checkpoints and transportation checks.
>  
> http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2015/02/immigration-enforcement-along-us-borders-and-at-ports-of-entry
>  
> On Feb 15, 2017 7:56 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> YES. Customs == border.
>  
> On Feb 15, 2017 7:51 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
> So he wasn't on US soil?  At customs check in, our rights get suspended?   I 
> need to consult the oracle...
>  
> On Feb 15, 2017 6:43 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> Decent writeup here:
> 
> https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/02/a-nasa-engineer-is-required-to-unlock-his-phone-at-the-border/516489/
> 
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Jaime Solorza
>  wrote:
> > Engineer was on US soil, at airport, not border. Good luck with that
> > fact
> >
> > On Feb 15, 2017 4:36 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> >>
> >> You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has
> >> legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a
> >> threat.
> >>
> >> Good luck with that.
> >>
> >> On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me their
> >>> warrant.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This recently happened to an individual with a government issued phone
> >>> from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have
> >>> clearance to view the classification of the material on this device.
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic devices like
> >>> phones and laptops, be prepared for the possibility they may demand that 
> >>> you
> >>> unlock the device and let them rummage through your files and social media
> >>> posts.  Even if you are just an ordinary citizen.  If you think they need 
> >>> a
> >>> warrant for this, you would be mistaken.  They can probably

[AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2017-02-16 Thread Nate Burke

I have a UPS that I recently installed pulling a 'Site Wiring Fault' for 
20 seconds a few times a day, at the exact same time daily. There are no 
other local electrical device at the location that I can find turning on 
or off at the same time, or that would have this kind of regularity.


There is a smart meter at the location, could the smart meter be doing 
some polling that would cause this?  I have another Identical UPS off 
the same utility HV line, but different transformer and meter, and it 
does not have any errors.


Has anyone seen these before and been able to track down a cause? On the 
APC forums, one reply was to simply disable the alert, saying otherwise 
you'll descend down a never ending rabbit hole of diagnosing and 
tweaking your electrical plant.


Nate

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault


Just a guess:

Site wiring fault would be the unit not seeing the correct potential from 
hot to ground.


If the ground to that receptacle has a poor connection to the common point 
ground or the common point ground has a poor connection to the building 
entrance and some device dumps some current on the ground, the potential 
between hot and ground will drop causing the fault indication.


Just a guess.

-Original Message- 
From: Nate Burke

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 9:08 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

I have a UPS that I recently installed pulling a 'Site Wiring Fault' for
20 seconds a few times a day, at the exact same time daily. There are no
other local electrical device at the location that I can find turning on
or off at the same time, or that would have this kind of regularity.

There is a smart meter at the location, could the smart meter be doing
some polling that would cause this?  I have another Identical UPS off
the same utility HV line, but different transformer and meter, and it
does not have any errors.

Has anyone seen these before and been able to track down a cause? On the
APC forums, one reply was to simply disable the alert, saying otherwise
you'll descend down a never ending rabbit hole of diagnosing and
tweaking your electrical plant.

Nate

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

good luck. APC has a little guide for troubleshooting them, but never much
detail. we have a couple sites that always have it, never had any impact. I
suspect its overloaded ground. Maybe the smart meter shunts voltage to
ground for some safety verification or something like that, or more likely
to identify utility theft since all those smart meters are about is profit

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I have a UPS that I recently installed pulling a 'Site Wiring Fault' for
> 20 seconds a few times a day, at the exact same time daily. There are no
> other local electrical device at the location that I can find turning on or
> off at the same time, or that would have this kind of regularity.
>
> There is a smart meter at the location, could the smart meter be doing
> some polling that would cause this?  I have another Identical UPS off the
> same utility HV line, but different transformer and meter, and it does not
> have any errors.
>
> Has anyone seen these before and been able to track down a cause? On the
> APC forums, one reply was to simply disable the alert, saying otherwise
> you'll descend down a never ending rabbit hole of diagnosing and tweaking
> your electrical plant.
>
> Nate
>

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

Heard they are shipping... True?

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2017-02-16 Thread Jeremy

We had a site that always said wiring fault on an APC back when I worked
for another company.  That site had reversed polarity on the outlet in the
breaker.  Had another APC that failed and always reported that.  We swapped
that one and it fixed it.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 9:13 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> good luck. APC has a little guide for troubleshooting them, but never much
> detail. we have a couple sites that always have it, never had any impact. I
> suspect its overloaded ground. Maybe the smart meter shunts voltage to
> ground for some safety verification or something like that, or more likely
> to identify utility theft since all those smart meters are about is profit
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I have a UPS that I recently installed pulling a 'Site Wiring Fault' for
>> 20 seconds a few times a day, at the exact same time daily. There are no
>> other local electrical device at the location that I can find turning on or
>> off at the same time, or that would have this kind of regularity.
>>
>> There is a smart meter at the location, could the smart meter be doing
>> some polling that would cause this?  I have another Identical UPS off the
>> same utility HV line, but different transformer and meter, and it does not
>> have any errors.
>>
>> Has anyone seen these before and been able to track down a cause? On the
>> APC forums, one reply was to simply disable the alert, saying otherwise
>> you'll descend down a never ending rabbit hole of diagnosing and tweaking
>> your electrical plant.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2017-02-16 Thread Nate Burke

I think I read the error occurs if there is >5v difference between 
neutral and ground.  The Strange thing is that it's happening at the 
same time every day.


On 2/16/2017 10:13 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
good luck. APC has a little guide for troubleshooting them, but never 
much detail. we have a couple sites that always have it, never had any 
impact. I suspect its overloaded ground. Maybe the smart meter shunts 
voltage to ground for some safety verification or something like that, 
or more likely to identify utility theft since all those smart meters 
are about is profit


On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Nate Burke > wrote:


I have a UPS that I recently installed pulling a 'Site Wiring
Fault' for 20 seconds a few times a day, at the exact same time
daily. There are no other local electrical device at the location
that I can find turning on or off at the same time, or that would
have this kind of regularity.

There is a smart meter at the location, could the smart meter be
doing some polling that would cause this?  I have another
Identical UPS off the same utility HV line, but different
transformer and meter, and it does not have any errors.

Has anyone seen these before and been able to track down a cause?
On the APC forums, one reply was to simply disable the alert,
saying otherwise you'll descend down a never ending rabbit hole of
diagnosing and tweaking your electrical plant.

Nate




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

I never understood how there can be a difference between the two in most of
our scenarios we are on a dedicated breaker. the ground and neutral
terminate to the same place usually on 12/2wg or 10/2wg and the only thing
on the circuit is our APC. the insulated neutral and the copper ground are
the same wire in romex arent they? just one has insulation?

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> I think I read the error occurs if there is >5v difference between neutral
> and ground.  The Strange thing is that it's happening at the same time
> every day.
>
> On 2/16/2017 10:13 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> good luck. APC has a little guide for troubleshooting them, but never much
> detail. we have a couple sites that always have it, never had any impact. I
> suspect its overloaded ground. Maybe the smart meter shunts voltage to
> ground for some safety verification or something like that, or more likely
> to identify utility theft since all those smart meters are about is profit
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I have a UPS that I recently installed pulling a 'Site Wiring Fault' for
>> 20 seconds a few times a day, at the exact same time daily. There are no
>> other local electrical device at the location that I can find turning on or
>> off at the same time, or that would have this kind of regularity.
>>
>> There is a smart meter at the location, could the smart meter be doing
>> some polling that would cause this?  I have another Identical UPS off the
>> same utility HV line, but different transformer and meter, and it does not
>> have any errors.
>>
>> Has anyone seen these before and been able to track down a cause? On the
>> APC forums, one reply was to simply disable the alert, saying otherwise
>> you'll descend down a never ending rabbit hole of diagnosing and tweaking
>> your electrical plant.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

But they run back to two different bars.  The neutral bar and the ground bar.  
Then normally those two are bonded and the ground bar goes to the building 
entrance ground rod.  Any bad connection coupled with decent amount of current 
causes voltage differences.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 9:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

I never understood how there can be a difference between the two in most of our 
scenarios we are on a dedicated breaker. the ground and neutral terminate to 
the same place usually on 12/2wg or 10/2wg and the only thing on the circuit is 
our APC. the insulated neutral and the copper ground are the same wire in romex 
arent they? just one has insulation?

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

  I think I read the error occurs if there is >5v difference between neutral 
and ground.  The Strange thing is that it's happening at the same time every 
day. 

  On 2/16/2017 10:13 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

good luck. APC has a little guide for troubleshooting them, but never much 
detail. we have a couple sites that always have it, never had any impact. I 
suspect its overloaded ground. Maybe the smart meter shunts voltage to ground 
for some safety verification or something like that, or more likely to identify 
utility theft since all those smart meters are about is profit

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

  I have a UPS that I recently installed pulling a 'Site Wiring Fault' for 
20 seconds a few times a day, at the exact same time daily. There are no other 
local electrical device at the location that I can find turning on or off at 
the same time, or that would have this kind of regularity.

  There is a smart meter at the location, could the smart meter be doing 
some polling that would cause this?  I have another Identical UPS off the same 
utility HV line, but different transformer and meter, and it does not have any 
errors.

  Has anyone seen these before and been able to track down a cause? On the 
APC forums, one reply was to simply disable the alert, saying otherwise you'll 
descend down a never ending rabbit hole of diagnosing and tweaking your 
electrical plant.

  Nate

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

2017-02-16 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 2/16/17 08:38, Chuck McCown wrote:

But they run back to two different bars.  The neutral bar and the ground
bar.  Then normally those two are bonded and the ground bar goes to the
building entrance ground rod.  Any bad connection coupled with decent
amount of current causes voltage differences.



Bonded only at the service entrance and separate at sub-panels; that's 
important.


Also worth considering: there was a time when separate ground conductors 
wasn't required and it was OK to use the metal conduit itself as the 
ground path. This is no longer allowed because over time conduit 
fittings can loosen and make the ground bad, possibly intermittently.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

When I have seen this, there has been a wiring problem, usually a bad ground.  
Sometimes also bad stuff like tingling when you touch the electrical boxes.  
Telling the site owner to get an electrician in to fix the wiring has always 
resolved the problem.  That would be my first approach, it is a serious problem 
with the electrical wiring that needs to be fixed.  Otherwise, there is a 
safety issue.  Not just for your equipment, but for personnel.

 

You could have a unique situation if this is a farm, grain elevator, etc. with 
long runs to the ground and neutral, transformers converting from 480 3-phase, 
etc.

 

Worst case you could put in a 1:1 isolation transformer and your own ground, 
but first choice is to get the wiring fixed.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

 

But they run back to two different bars.  The neutral bar and the ground bar.  
Then normally those two are bonded and the ground bar goes to the building 
entrance ground rod.  Any bad connection coupled with decent amount of current 
causes voltage differences.  

 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 9:35 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

 

I never understood how there can be a difference between the two in most of our 
scenarios we are on a dedicated breaker. the ground and neutral terminate to 
the same place usually on 12/2wg or 10/2wg and the only thing on the circuit is 
our APC. the insulated neutral and the copper ground are the same wire in romex 
arent they? just one has insulation?

 

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:19 AM, Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

I think I read the error occurs if there is >5v difference between neutral and 
ground.  The Strange thing is that it's happening at the same time every day. 

On 2/16/2017 10:13 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

good luck. APC has a little guide for troubleshooting them, but never much 
detail. we have a couple sites that always have it, never had any impact. I 
suspect its overloaded ground. Maybe the smart meter shunts voltage to ground 
for some safety verification or something like that, or more likely to identify 
utility theft since all those smart meters are about is profit

 

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

I have a UPS that I recently installed pulling a 'Site Wiring Fault' for 20 
seconds a few times a day, at the exact same time daily. There are no other 
local electrical device at the location that I can find turning on or off at 
the same time, or that would have this kind of regularity.

There is a smart meter at the location, could the smart meter be doing some 
polling that would cause this?  I have another Identical UPS off the same 
utility HV line, but different transformer and meter, and it does not have any 
errors.

Has anyone seen these before and been able to track down a cause? On the APC 
forums, one reply was to simply disable the alert, saying otherwise you'll 
descend down a never ending rabbit hole of diagnosing and tweaking your 
electrical plant.

Nate





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

In farming country, some electricians and "electricians" have a cavalier 
attitude toward ground vs neutral.  I often see 3-wire outlets in farmhouses 
where the ground is connected to the neutral.  I also paid an electrician to 
wire a freestanding cabinet at a tower site to the breaker box at the H-frame, 
and he mixed up ground and neutral.  Bad things happened when the tower lights 
were on until I discovered and corrected this.  The neutral wire may be pretty 
long all the way out to the transformer on the pole, and tower lights draw a 
lot of current.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

On 2/16/17 08:38, Chuck McCown wrote:
> But they run back to two different bars.  The neutral bar and the 
> ground bar.  Then normally those two are bonded and the ground bar 
> goes to the building entrance ground rod.  Any bad connection coupled 
> with decent amount of current causes voltage differences.

Bonded only at the service entrance and separate at sub-panels; that's 
important.

Also worth considering: there was a time when separate ground conductors wasn't 
required and it was OK to use the metal conduit itself as the ground path. This 
is no longer allowed because over time conduit fittings can loosen and make the 
ground bad, possibly intermittently.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

I did not know this about sub panels
I see alot of times where the electricians run the ground and neutral into
the same hole
Im guessing in this case calling in that electrician to investigate wouldnt
do alot of good
but since theyre bonded at the service panel if they do that is it OK?

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 2/16/17 08:38, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> But they run back to two different bars.  The neutral bar and the ground
>> bar.  Then normally those two are bonded and the ground bar goes to the
>> building entrance ground rod.  Any bad connection coupled with decent
>> amount of current causes voltage differences.
>>
>
>
> Bonded only at the service entrance and separate at sub-panels; that's
> important.
>
> Also worth considering: there was a time when separate ground conductors
> wasn't required and it was OK to use the metal conduit itself as the ground
> path. This is no longer allowed because over time conduit fittings can
> loosen and make the ground bad, possibly intermittently.
>
> ~Seth
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

The neutral and ground have totally different jobs to do.  The neutral is the 
return path and has the exact same (should be exact same) current at the hot.  
It works.

The ground should not have any current.  It does not work.  It is a storm 
drain.  If there is a fault it conducts the fault current and helps the circuit 
breaker blow.  The only place you can treat them the same is at the service 
entrance where there is a ground rod.

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

I did not know this about sub panels 
I see alot of times where the electricians run the ground and neutral into the 
same hole 
Im guessing in this case calling in that electrician to investigate wouldnt do 
alot of good
but since theyre bonded at the service panel if they do that is it OK?

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

  On 2/16/17 08:38, Chuck McCown wrote:

But they run back to two different bars.  The neutral bar and the ground
bar.  Then normally those two are bonded and the ground bar goes to the
building entrance ground rod.  Any bad connection coupled with decent
amount of current causes voltage differences.



  Bonded only at the service entrance and separate at sub-panels; that's 
important.

  Also worth considering: there was a time when separate ground conductors 
wasn't required and it was OK to use the metal conduit itself as the ground 
path. This is no longer allowed because over time conduit fittings can loosen 
and make the ground bad, possibly intermittently.

  ~Seth





-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

Except in three phase, in three phase the neutral may or may not have much 
current on it.  Sometimes it may not even exist.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

The neutral and ground have totally different jobs to do.  The neutral is the 
return path and has the exact same (should be exact same) current at the hot.  
It works.

The ground should not have any current.  It does not work.  It is a storm 
drain.  If there is a fault it conducts the fault current and helps the circuit 
breaker blow.  The only place you can treat them the same is at the service 
entrance where there is a ground rod.

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

I did not know this about sub panels 
I see alot of times where the electricians run the ground and neutral into the 
same hole 
Im guessing in this case calling in that electrician to investigate wouldnt do 
alot of good
but since theyre bonded at the service panel if they do that is it OK?

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

  On 2/16/17 08:38, Chuck McCown wrote:

But they run back to two different bars.  The neutral bar and the ground
bar.  Then normally those two are bonded and the ground bar goes to the
building entrance ground rod.  Any bad connection coupled with decent
amount of current causes voltage differences.

  Bonded only at the service entrance and separate at sub-panels; that's 
important.

  Also worth considering: there was a time when separate ground conductors 
wasn't required and it was OK to use the metal conduit itself as the ground 
path. This is no longer allowed because over time conduit fittings can loosen 
and make the ground bad, possibly intermittently.

  ~Seth

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

Ive never busted apart an outlet, but its got continuity between the
neutral and ground, is the bus between the two slightly resistive like
higher cost ospf path to keep the current on the neutral?

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Except in three phase, in three phase the neutral may or may not have much
> current on it.  Sometimes it may not even exist.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:03 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault
>
> The neutral and ground have totally different jobs to do.  The neutral is
> the return path and has the exact same (should be exact same) current at
> the hot.  It works.
>
> The ground should not have any current.  It does not work.  It is a storm
> drain.  If there is a fault it conducts the fault current and helps the
> circuit breaker blow.  The only place you can treat them the same is at the
> service entrance where there is a ground rod.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:46 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault
>
> I did not know this about sub panels
> I see alot of times where the electricians run the ground and neutral into
> the same hole
> Im guessing in this case calling in that electrician to investigate
> wouldnt do alot of good
> but since theyre bonded at the service panel if they do that is it OK?
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Seth Mattinen 
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/16/17 08:38, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> But they run back to two different bars.  The neutral bar and the ground
>>> bar.  Then normally those two are bonded and the ground bar goes to the
>>> building entrance ground rod.  Any bad connection coupled with decent
>>> amount of current causes voltage differences.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Bonded only at the service entrance and separate at sub-panels; that's
>> important.
>>
>> Also worth considering: there was a time when separate ground conductors
>> wasn't required and it was OK to use the metal conduit itself as the ground
>> path. This is no longer allowed because over time conduit fittings can
>> loosen and make the ground bad, possibly intermittently.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

It should not have continuity between neutral and ground.  Take a new one that 
is not connected to any wires.  An ohm meter will not show any connection.  

When installed there will be a circuit but it will flow through the neutral and 
ground wires clear back to the service entrance.  That is where the circuit 
completes.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

Ive never busted apart an outlet, but its got continuity between the neutral 
and ground, is the bus between the two slightly resistive like higher cost ospf 
path to keep the current on the neutral?

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 12:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Except in three phase, in three phase the neutral may or may not have much 
current on it.  Sometimes it may not even exist.  

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:03 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

  The neutral and ground have totally different jobs to do.  The neutral is the 
return path and has the exact same (should be exact same) current at the hot.  
It works.

  The ground should not have any current.  It does not work.  It is a storm 
drain.  If there is a fault it conducts the fault current and helps the circuit 
breaker blow.  The only place you can treat them the same is at the service 
entrance where there is a ground rod.

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 10:46 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] APC Site Wiring Fault

  I did not know this about sub panels 
  I see alot of times where the electricians run the ground and neutral into 
the same hole 
  Im guessing in this case calling in that electrician to investigate wouldnt 
do alot of good
  but since theyre bonded at the service panel if they do that is it OK?

  On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

On 2/16/17 08:38, Chuck McCown wrote:

  But they run back to two different bars.  The neutral bar and the ground
  bar.  Then normally those two are bonded and the ground bar goes to the
  building entrance ground rod.  Any bad connection coupled with decent
  amount of current causes voltage differences.

Bonded only at the service entrance and separate at sub-panels; that's 
important.

Also worth considering: there was a time when separate ground conductors 
wasn't required and it was OK to use the metal conduit itself as the ground 
path. This is no longer allowed because over time conduit fittings can loosen 
and make the ground bad, possibly intermittently.

~Seth

  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] At job site

Looks like guvmnt work to me...

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:15 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] At job site


On Feb 16, 2017 11:14 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  Yes... We work hard and eat well

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-16 Thread Gino Villarini

Aparrently some beta units to big guys like Google Fiberwave

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 12:14 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

Heard they are shipping... True?



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Re: [AFMUG] At job site

Nope comrade

On Feb 16, 2017 11:19 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Looks like guvmnt work to me...
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:15 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] At job site
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 11:14 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes... We work hard and eat well
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] At job site

Pura raza... Token white guy Gary cooking

On Feb 16, 2017 11:43 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Nope comrade
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 11:19 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Looks like guvmnt work to me...
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:15 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] At job site
>>
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 11:14 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes... We work hard and eat well
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] At job site

Comic today about racist comments like “stop being coy”:

http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2017/02/16

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] At job site

 

Pura raza... Token white guy Gary cooking 

 

On Feb 16, 2017 11:43 AM, "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Nope comrade 

 

On Feb 16, 2017 11:19 AM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Looks like guvmnt work to me...

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:15 AM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] At job site

 

 

On Feb 16, 2017 11:14 AM, "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Yes... We work hard and eat well

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

So are all of us going to have to start calling wireless "fiber" now,
because that's what the big guys are doing?

 

Reminiscent of the Einstein quote, it's like a very long cat, but without
the cat.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

 

Aparrently some beta units to big guys like Google Fiberwave

 

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> > on behalf of
Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 12:14 PM
To: "af@afmug.com  " mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

 

Heard they are shipping... True? 


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-16 Thread Stefan Englhardt

Everyone here calls his connection fibre as long as a part of the line is 
fibre. 

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Ken Hohhof  
Datum: 16.02.17  20:27  (GMT+01:00) 
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

Re: [AFMUG] At job site

Дайте мне Trump стейка товарища Хайме. Это выглядит вкусно и начинка.


On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Comic today about racist comments like “stop being coy”:
>
> http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2017/02/16
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:44 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] At job site
>
>
>
> Pura raza... Token white guy Gary cooking
>
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 11:43 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> Nope comrade
>
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 11:19 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> Looks like guvmnt work to me...
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:15 AM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] At job site
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 11:14 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> Yes... We work hard and eat well
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-16 Thread Eric Kuhnke

Ugh. Marketing departments. Telus (the ILEC in BC and AB) calls its entire
triple play over VDSL2 solution "Optik" with a K. Which usually tops out at
25 Mbps downstream due to reach limits between neighborhood node VDSL2
DSLAMs, old copper wiring and houses.

https://www.google.com/search?q=telus+optik&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

> Everyone here calls his connection fibre as long as a part of the line is
> fibre.
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Ken Hohhof 
> Datum: 16.02.17 20:27 (GMT+01:00)
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] At job site

Don't criticize,  legalize..
Don't discriminate,   assimilate...
Ese Holmes... If the shoe fits, don't take it off

On Feb 16, 2017 12:35 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> Дайте мне Trump стейка товарища Хайме. Это выглядит вкусно и начинка.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Comic today about racist comments like “stop being coy”:
>>
>> http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2017/02/16
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:44 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] At job site
>>
>>
>>
>> Pura raza... Token white guy Gary cooking
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 11:43 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Nope comrade
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 11:19 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> Looks like guvmnt work to me...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 11:15 AM
>>
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] At job site
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 11:14 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes... We work hard and eat well
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-16 Thread Gino Villarini

The new term is HFW Hybrid Fiber Wireless

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Ken 
Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 3:27 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

So are all of us going to have to start calling wireless “fiber” now, because 
that’s what the big guys are doing?

Reminiscent of the Einstein quote, it’s like a very long cat, but without the 
cat.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

Aparrently some beta units to big guys like Google Fiberwave

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jaime 
Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 12:14 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

Heard they are shipping... True?



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


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Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a 
while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:


   http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/


bp


On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has 
legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are 
not a threat.


Good luck with that.

On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:


If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me
their warrant.


On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


This recently happened to an individual with a government issued
phone from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS
didn't have clearance to view the classification of the material
on this device.

On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic
devices like phones and laptops, be prepared for the
possibility they may demand that you unlock the device and let
them rummage through your files and social media posts.  Even
if you are just an ordinary citizen.  If you think they need a
warrant for this, you would be mistaken.  They can probably
only detain your for maybe a day and confiscate your phone,
but you don’t have the same rights as you  would if a cop
stopped you on the street.
There are rumors the retro Nokia 3310 phone will be revived. 
That would probably be a good one to take on foreign trips.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:40 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left
Computer wore tennis shoes.
Janitor
Mop bucket
Been done before
*From:*That One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:*Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:34 PM
*To:*af@afmug.com 
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left
This is interesting, explains alot of the leakage. so
basically now the janitors can take a little gander every now
and then
On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Steve mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:

The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on
what the N.S.A. may do with the information gathered by
its most powerful surveillance operations, which are
largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws. These
include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls
and emails that cross network switches abroad, and
messages between people abroad that cross domestic network
switches.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/ 2017/02/15/surprise-at-the-
end-obama-administration-gave- nsa-broad-new-powers/





-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part
of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

I'd forgotten that about the days I was involved with the spooks. Even 
though I had  TS security clearance, I was considered "unclean" in 
certain areas. They had little sandwich boards with a rotating beacon to 
tell the "clean people" that there was an unclean person among them.


bp


On 2/16/2017 7:52 AM, Dan Petermann wrote:
I was one of two people who had a TS-SBI clearance at the facility I 
worked in. There were several procedures we had to go thru to ensure 
that non cleared individuals could not see or access the equipment we 
worked on.

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

I was walking through part of the Gulfstream factory and everyone had to 
turn off their monitors.

-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

I'd forgotten that about the days I was involved with the spooks. Even
though I had  TS security clearance, I was considered "unclean" in
certain areas. They had little sandwich boards with a rotating beacon to
tell the "clean people" that there was an unclean person among them.

bp

On 2/16/2017 7:52 AM, Dan Petermann wrote:
I was one of two people who had a TS-SBI clearance at the facility I 
worked in. There were several procedures we had to go thru to ensure that 
non cleared individuals could not see or access the equipment we worked 
on.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: recipe promise

2017-02-16 Thread Cameron Crum

Hopefully you cooked the bacon then sauteed the veggies in the bacon
grease, then poured in the egg.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Voila... Omelet
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 8:52 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Quick breakfast sandwich... The flavor..
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: recipe promise

No Bacon... That was cheese

On Feb 16, 2017 2:48 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

> Hopefully you cooked the bacon then sauteed the veggies in the bacon
> grease, then poured in the egg.
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Voila... Omelet
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 8:52 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Quick breakfast sandwich... The flavor..
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Laughing my ass off
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112



On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a
> while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:
>
> http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has
> legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a
> threat.
>
> Good luck with that.
>
> On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me their
>> warrant.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds <
>> j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> This recently happened to an individual with a government issued phone
>> from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have
>> clearance to view the classification of the material on this device.
>>
>> On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>> If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic devices like
>> phones and laptops, be prepared for the possibility they may demand that
>> you unlock the device and let them rummage through your files and social
>> media posts.  Even if you are just an ordinary citizen.  If you think they
>> need a warrant for this, you would be mistaken.  They can probably only
>> detain your for maybe a day and confiscate your phone, but you don’t have
>> the same rights as you  would if a cop stopped you on the street.
>>
>> There are rumors the retro Nokia 3310 phone will be revived.  That would
>> probably be a good one to take on foreign trips.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:40 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>> left
>>
>> Computer wore tennis shoes.
>> Janitor
>> Mop bucket
>> Been done before
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:34 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>> left
>>
>> This is interesting, explains alot of the leakage. so basically now the
>> janitors can take a little gander every now and then
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Steve  wrote:
>>
>> The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what the N.S.A.
>> may do with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance
>> operations, which are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws.
>> These include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls and emails
>> that cross network switches abroad, and messages between people abroad that
>> cross domestic network switches.
>>
>> https://pjmedia.com/trending/ 2017/02/15/surprise-at-the-
>> end-obama-administration-gave- nsa-broad-new-powers/
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: recipe promise

2017-02-16 Thread Cameron Crum

Looked like bacon in the toast pic. If it wasn't bacon, then it wasn't
breakfast.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> No Bacon... That was cheese
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 2:48 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>
>> Hopefully you cooked the bacon then sauteed the veggies in the bacon
>> grease, then poured in the egg.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Voila... Omelet
>>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2017 8:52 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Quick breakfast sandwich... The flavor..

>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: recipe promise

2017-02-16 Thread Cameron Crum

Call it an early morning snack...

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Looked like bacon in the toast pic. If it wasn't bacon, then it wasn't
> breakfast.
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:49 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> No Bacon... That was cheese
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 2:48 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hopefully you cooked the bacon then sauteed the veggies in the bacon
>>> grease, then poured in the egg.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Voila... Omelet

 On Feb 16, 2017 8:52 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> Quick breakfast sandwich... The flavor..
>

>>>
>

[AFMUG] Test

Test

Re: [AFMUG] Test

Uno Dos Tres

On Feb 16, 2017 2:58 PM, "SmarterBroadband"  wrote:

> Test
>

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Carl Peterson

The comments on that are f*cking hysterical.  Do people really believe that
crap or are they just trolling.

Me wonders if 44 was briefed on 45s Russia debacle and decided to f*uck him
over


On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I was walking through part of the Gulfstream factory and everyone had to
> turn off their monitors.
>
> -Original Message- From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:06 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left
>
> I'd forgotten that about the days I was involved with the spooks. Even
> though I had  TS security clearance, I was considered "unclean" in
> certain areas. They had little sandwich boards with a rotating beacon to
> tell the "clean people" that there was an unclean person among them.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/16/2017 7:52 AM, Dan Petermann wrote:
>
>> I was one of two people who had a TS-SBI clearance at the facility I
>> worked in. There were several procedures we had to go thru to ensure that
>> non cleared individuals could not see or access the equipment we worked on.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from Steve 
Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Laughing my ass off 
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112

On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a while, I 
was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/

bp

On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has legal 
rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a threat. 

Good luck with that.

On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me their 
warrant.

  On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

  This recently happened to an individual with a government issued phone 
from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have clearance 
to view the classification of the material on this device.

  On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic devices 
like phones and laptops, be prepared for the possibility they may demand that 
you unlock the device and let them rummage through your files and social media 
posts.  Even if you are just an ordinary citizen.  If you think they need a 
warrant for this, you would be mistaken.  They can probably only detain your 
for maybe a day and confiscate your phone, but you don’t have the same rights 
as you  would if a cop stopped you on the street.

There are rumors the retro Nokia 3310 phone will be revived.  That 
would probably be a good one to take on foreign trips.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he 
left

Computer wore tennis shoes.
Janitor
Mop bucket
Been done before

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he 
left

This is interesting, explains alot of the leakage. so basically now the 
janitors can take a little gander every now and then

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Steve  wrote:
  The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what the 
N.S.A. may do with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance 
operations, which are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws. These 
include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls and emails that cross 
network switches abroad, and messages between people abroad that cross domestic 
network switches.

  https://pjmedia.com/trending/ 2017/02/15/surprise-at-the- 
end-obama-administration-gave- nsa-broad-new-powers/

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Test

What a nightmare getting to be able to send to the list since changing to a new 
computer!!!

 

After many attempts I had to create a new email address and cancel the old 
subscription.

 

Nice to be back.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:01 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Test

 

Uno Dos Tres

 

On Feb 16, 2017 2:58 PM, "SmarterBroadband" mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Test

Re: [AFMUG] Test

2017-02-16 Thread Josh Luthman

cuatro cinco cinco seis


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Uno Dos Tres
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 2:58 PM, "SmarterBroadband"  wrote:
>
>> Test
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Test

2017-02-16 Thread Adam Moffett


Are we singing an Offspring song?
Haven't heard Offspring in a long time.

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 2/16/2017 5:08:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Test


cuatro cinco cinco seis


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

Uno Dos Tres

On Feb 16, 2017 2:58 PM, "SmarterBroadband"  wrote:

Test

Re: [AFMUG] Test

Успешный тест товарищ


On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Are we singing an Offspring song?
> Haven't heard Offspring in a long time.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 2/16/2017 5:08:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Test
>
>
> cuatro cinco cinco seis
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Uno Dos Tres
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 2:58 PM, "SmarterBroadband"  wrote:
>>
>>> Test
>>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Test

2017-02-16 Thread Mathew Howard

Да товорищ, это очень хорошо тест.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:12 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Успешный тест товарищ
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Are we singing an Offspring song?
>> Haven't heard Offspring in a long time.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 2/16/2017 5:08:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Test
>>
>>
>> cuatro cinco cinco seis
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Uno Dos Tres
>>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2017 2:58 PM, "SmarterBroadband"  wrote:
>>>
 Test

>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Test

2017-02-16 Thread Josh Luthman

Only on days that end in y


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Are we singing an Offspring song?
> Haven't heard Offspring in a long time.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 2/16/2017 5:08:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Test
>
>
> cuatro cinco cinco seis
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:00 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Uno Dos Tres
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 2:58 PM, "SmarterBroadband"  wrote:
>>
>>> Test
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.

On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Strange. I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator
from Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.

*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
left

Laughing my ass off
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112
On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince" wrote:

You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in
a while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to
this podcast:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/

On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS
has legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like
you are not a threat.
Good luck with that.
On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince" wrote:

If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to
show me their warrant.

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds
wrote:

This recently happened to an individual with a government
issued phone from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because
the DHS didn't have clearance to view the classification of
the material on this device.
On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote:

If you travel outside the country, and carry any
electronic devices like phones and laptops, be prepared
for the possibility they may demand that you unlock the
device and let them rummage through your files and social
media posts. Even if you are just an ordinary citizen.
If you think they need a warrant for this, you would be

mistaken. They can probably only detain your for maybe a
day and confiscate your phone, but you don’t have the
same rights as you would if a cop stopped you on the street.
There are rumors the retro Nokia 3310 phone will be
revived. That would probably be a good one to take on
foreign trips.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:40 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New
Powers before he left
Computer wore tennis shoes.
Janitor
Mop bucket
Been done before
*From:*That One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:*Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:34 PM
*To:*af@afmug.com
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New
Powers before he left
This is interesting, explains alot of the leakage. so
basically now the janitors can take a little gander every
now and then
On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Steve
wrote:

The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits
on what the N.S.A. may do with the information
gathered by its most powerful surveillance
operations, which are largely unregulated by American
wiretapping laws. These include collecting satellite
transmissions, phone calls and emails that cross
network switches abroad, and messages between people
abroad that cross domestic network switches.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/
2017/02/15/surprise-at-the-
end-obama-administration-gave- nsa-broad-new-powers/

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you

don't see your team as part of yourself you have already
failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

Has anyone done a real world comparison of the 450m limited vs 450i
integrated sector?

 

I would like to know if the 450m in sector mode works as well or better than
the new integrated sector version of the 450i.

 

I have a couple of locations with old 450 I was thinking of upgrading to
450i, but with the 450m limited being available I am considering going in
that direction saving another clime in a year or so.

 

I just don't know what the performance of the m antenna would be like on
sector mode.

 

Thanks

 

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold farm 
chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat farm/ranch was 
producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I remember getting 
coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The barrels were actually 
orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of us ever 
suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent orange.  Odd... 

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.

bp

On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from 
Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

  Laughing my ass off 

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112

  On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a while, 
I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:

  http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/

bp

On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has 
legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a 
threat. 

  Good luck with that.

  On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me 
their warrant.

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

This recently happened to an individual with a government issued phone 
from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have clearance 
to view the classification of the material on this device.

On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic devices 
like phones and laptops, be prepared for the possibility they may demand that 
you unlock the device and let them rummage through your files and social media 
posts.  Even if you are just an ordinary citizen.  If you think they need a 
warrant for this, you would be mistaken.  They can probably only detain your 
for maybe a day and confiscate your phone, but you don’t have the same rights 
as you  would if a cop stopped you on the street.

  There are rumors the retro Nokia 3310 phone will be revived.  That 
would probably be a good one to take on foreign trips.

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:40 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he 
left

  Computer wore tennis shoes.
  Janitor
  Mop bucket
  Been done before

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:34 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he 
left

  This is interesting, explains alot of the leakage. so basically now 
the janitors can take a little gander every now and then

  On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Steve  wrote:
The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what the 
N.S.A. may do with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance 
operations, which are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws. These 
include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls and emails that cross 
network switches abroad, and messages between people abroad that cross domestic 
network switches.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/ 2017/02/15/surprise-at-the- 
end-obama-administration-gave- nsa-broad-new-powers/

  -- 
  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071

On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold
> farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat
> farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I
> remember getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The
> barrels were actually orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was
> early 1960s.  None of us ever suffered the symptoms commonly associated
> with agent orange.  Odd...
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
> left
>
>
> Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from
> Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
> left
>
> Laughing my ass off
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.
> usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112
>
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
>> You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a
>> while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:
>>
>> http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>> You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has
>> legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a
>> threat.
>>
>> Good luck with that.
>>
>> On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me their
>>> warrant.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds <
>>> j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> This recently happened to an individual with a government issued phone
>>> from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have
>>> clearance to view the classification of the material on this device.
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>>
>>> If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic devices like
>>> phones and laptops, be prepared for the possibility they may demand that
>>> you unlock the device and let them rummage through your files and social
>>> media posts.  Even if you are just an ordinary citizen.  If you think they
>>> need a warrant for this, you would be mistaken.  They can probably only
>>> detain your for maybe a day and confiscate your phone, but you don’t have
>>> the same rights as you  would if a cop stopped you on the street.
>>>
>>> There are rumors the retro Nokia 3310 phone will be revived.  That would
>>> probably be a good one to take on foreign trips.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:40 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>>> left
>>>
>>> Computer wore tennis shoes.
>>> Janitor
>>> Mop bucket
>>> Been done before
>>>
>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:34 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>>> left
>>>
>>> This is interesting, explains alot of the leakage. so basically now the
>>> janitors can take a little gander every now and then
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Steve  wrote:
>>>
>>> The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what the N.S.A.
>>> may do with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance
>>> operations, which are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws.
>>> These include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls and emails
>>> that cross network switches abroad, and messages between people abroad that
>>> cross domestic network switches.
>>>
>>> https://pjmedia.com/trending/ 2017/02/15/surprise-at-the-
>>> end-obama-administration-gave- nsa-broad-new-powers/
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

Welcome back comrade

On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "SmarterBroadband"  wrote:

> Has anyone done a real world comparison of the 450m limited vs 450i
> integrated sector?
>
>
>
> I would like to know if the 450m in sector mode works as well or better
> than the new integrated sector version of the 450i.
>
>
>
> I have a couple of locations with old 450 I was thinking of upgrading to
> 450i, but with the 450m limited being available I am considering going in
> that direction saving another clime in a year or so.
>
>
>
> I just don’t know what the performance of the m antenna would be like on
> sector mode.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

:)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:36 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450M limited vs 450i integrated sector

Welcome back comrade

On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "SmarterBroadband" mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Has anyone done a real world comparison of the 450m limited vs 450i integrated 
sector?

I would like to know if the 450m in sector mode works as well or better than 
the new integrated sector version of the 450i.

I have a couple of locations with old 450 I was thinking of upgrading to 450i, 
but with the 450m limited being available I am considering going in that 
direction saving another clime in a year or so.

I just don’t know what the performance of the m antenna would be like on sector 
mode.

Thanks

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

This is what GOP leaders are doing right now..

On Feb 16, 2017 3:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine
>
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%
> 2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-
> media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold
>> farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat
>> farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I
>> remember getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The
>> barrels were actually orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was
>> early 1960s.  None of us ever suffered the symptoms commonly associated
>> with agent orange.  Odd...
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>> left
>>
>>
>> Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from
>> Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>> left
>>
>> Laughing my ass off
>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usat
>> oday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a
>>> while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:
>>>
>>> http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has
>>> legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a
>>> threat.
>>>
>>> Good luck with that.
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>>
 If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me
 their warrant.

 On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds <
 j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

 This recently happened to an individual with a government issued phone
 from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have
 clearance to view the classification of the material on this device.

 On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

 If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic devices
 like phones and laptops, be prepared for the possibility they may demand
 that you unlock the device and let them rummage through your files and
 social media posts.  Even if you are just an ordinary citizen.  If you
 think they need a warrant for this, you would be mistaken.  They can
 probably only detain your for maybe a day and confiscate your phone, but
 you don’t have the same rights as you  would if a cop stopped you on the
 street.

 There are rumors the retro Nokia 3310 phone will be revived.  That
 would probably be a good one to take on foreign trips.

 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:40 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
 left

 Computer wore tennis shoes.
 Janitor
 Mop bucket
 Been done before

 *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:34 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
 left

 This is interesting, explains alot of the leakage. so basically now the
 janitors can take a little gander every now and then

 On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Steve  wrote:

 The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what the
 N.S.A. may do with the information gathered by its most powerful
 surveillance operations, which are largely unregulated by American
 wiretapping laws. These include collecting satellite transmissions, phone
 calls and emails that cross network switches abroad, and messages between
 people abroad that cross domestic network switches.

 https://pjmedia.com/trending/ 2017/02/15/surprise-at-the-
 end-obama-administration-gave- nsa-broad-new-powers/

 --
 If you only see yourself as part of the team

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Adam Moffett

For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new job 
and that the press really is being unfair to him.
I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  
He definitely was combative with the press.


I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The 
numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, he 
just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at least 
he needs to grow up.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he 
left



Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071

On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad 
sold farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat 
farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around 
and I remember getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator 
once.  The barrels were actually orange and had the Olin logos on 
them.  This was early 1960s.  None of us ever suffered the symptoms 
commonly associated with agent orange.  Odd...


From:Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he 
left


Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely 
coincidental.




bp 
On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator 
from Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in 
Cupertino.


From:Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he 
left


Laughing my ass off
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112



On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a 
while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this 
podcast:



http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/




bp 
On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS 
has legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like 
you are not a threat.


Good luck with that.

On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me 
their warrant.



On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:



This recently happened to an individual with a government issued 
phone from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS 
didn't have clearance to view the classification of the material 
on this device.


On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic 
devices like phones and laptops, be prepared for the possibility 
they may demand that you unlock the device and let them rummage 
through your files and social media posts.  Even if you are just 
an ordinary citizen.  If you think they need a warrant for this, 
you would be mistaken.  They can probably only detain your for 
maybe a day and confiscate your phone, but you don’t have the 
same rights as you  would if a cop stopped you on the street.


There are rumors the retro Nokia 3310 phone will be revived.  
That would probably be a good one to take on foreign trips.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:40 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before 
he left


Computer wore tennis shoes.
Janitor
Mop bucket
Been done before

From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:34 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before 
he left


This is interesting, explains alot of the leakage. so basically 
now the janitors can take a little gander every now and then


On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Steve  
wrote:
The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what 
the N.S.A. may do with the information gathered by its most 
powerful surveillance operations, which are largely unregulated 
by American wiretapping laws. These include collecting satellite 
transmissions, phone calls and emails that cross network 
switches abroad, and messages between people abroad that cross 
domestic network switches.


https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/02/15/surprise-at-the-end-obama-administration-gave-nsa-broad-new-powers/




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see 
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  UAW 
pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.  

I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him giving 
the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey 
with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change 
things.  

Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, he 
missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can find out 
what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.  

Just so he does not start another shooting war...

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new job and 
that the press really is being unfair to him.
I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  He 
definitely was combative with the press.  

I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The numbers 
speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, he just can't 
accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at least he needs to grow 
up.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

  Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine  

  
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071


  On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold 
farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat farm/ranch 
was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I remember 
getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The barrels were 
actually orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of 
us ever suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent orange.  Odd... 

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.



bp


On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from 
Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

  Laughing my ass off 
  
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112




  On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a 
while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:

  http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/



bp


On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has 
legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a 
threat. 

  Good luck with that.

  On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me 
their warrant.



On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:




This recently happened to an individual with a government issued 
phone from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have 
clearance to view the classification of the material on this device.

On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic 
devices like phones and laptops, be prepared for the possibility they may 
demand that you unlock the device and let them rummage through your files and 
social media posts.  Even if you are just an ordinary citizen.  If you think 
they need a warrant for this, you would be mistaken.  They can probably only 
detain your for maybe a day and confiscate your phone, but you don’t have the 
same rights as you  would if a cop stopped you on the street.

  There are rumors the retro Nokia 3310 phone will be revived.  
That would probably be a good one to take on foreign trips.


  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:40 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Br

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Maybe you  didn’t have the defective Monsanto 2,4,5-T contaminated with TCDD.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold farm 
chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat farm/ranch was 
producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I remember getting 
coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The barrels were actually 
orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of us ever 
suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent orange.  Odd... 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.

bp

On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from Steve 
Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.  

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Laughing my ass off 

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112

On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a while, I 
was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/

bp

On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has legal 
rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a threat. 

Good luck with that.

On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me their 
warrant.

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

This recently happened to an individual with a government issued phone from 
NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have clearance to 
view the classification of the material on this device.

On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
> wrote:

If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic devices like phones 
and laptops, be prepared for the possibility they may demand that you unlock 
the device and let them rummage through your files and social media posts.  
Even if you are just an ordinary citizen.  If you think they need a warrant for 
this, you would be mistaken.  They can probably only detain your for maybe a 
day and confiscate your phone, but you don’t have the same rights as you  would 
if a cop stopped you on the street.

There are rumors the retro Nokia 3310 phone will be revived.  That would 
probably be a good one to take on foreign trips.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Computer wore tennis shoes.

Janitor

Mop bucket

Been done before

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:34 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

This is interesting, explains alot of the leakage. so basically now the 
janitors can take a little gander every now and then

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Steve mailto:li...@wavedirect.org> > wrote:

The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what the N.S.A. may do 
with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance operations, 
which are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws. These include 
collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls and emails that cross network 
switches abroad, and messages between people abroad that cross domestic network 
switches.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/ 2017/02/15/surprise-at-the- 
end-obama-administration-gave- nsa-broad-new-powers/ 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Well it was Olin and not Monsanto.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Maybe you  didn’t have the defective Monsanto 2,4,5-T contaminated with TCDD.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold farm 
chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat farm/ranch was 
producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I remember getting 
coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The barrels were actually 
orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of us ever 
suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent orange.  Odd... 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.

bp On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from 
Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 

  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM

  To: Animal Farm 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

  Laughing my ass off 

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112

  On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a while, 
I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:

  http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/

bp On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has 
legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a 
threat. 

  Good luck with that.

  On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me 
their warrant.

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

This recently happened to an individual with a government issued phone 
from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have clearance 
to view the classification of the material on this device.

On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic devices 
like phones and laptops, be prepared for the possibility they may demand that 
you unlock the device and let them rummage through your files and social media 
posts.  Even if you are just an ordinary citizen.  If you think they need a 
warrant for this, you would be mistaken.  They can probably only detain your 
for maybe a day and confiscate your phone, but you don’t have the same rights 
as you  would if a cop stopped you on the street.

  There are rumors the retro Nokia 3310 phone will be revived.  That 
would probably be a good one to take on foreign trips.

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:40 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he 
left

  Computer wore tennis shoes.

  Janitor

  Mop bucket

  Been done before

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 

  Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:34 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he 
left

  This is interesting, explains alot of the leakage. so basically now 
the janitors can take a little gander every now and then

  On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Steve  wrote:

The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what the 
N.S.A. may do with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance 
operations, which are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws. These 
include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls and emails that cross 
network switches abroad, and messages between people abroad that cross domestic 
network switches.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/ 2017/02/15/surprise-at-the- 
end-obama-administration-gave- nsa-broad-new-powers/

  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

2017-02-16 Thread Mathew Howard

It depends somewhat on how you look at it... he did win three states that
almost nobody expected him to win (MI, WI and PA), and winning any one of
those would have been enough to win the election. The expectation was that
if he did win, it would only be by a few electoral votes, so the fact that
there was a margin of 30+ isn't just barely from his point of view. Yes, a
relatively small number of votes in only a few states could've flipped the
election, but as far as electoral votes go, I wouldn't call it just barely
winning (certainly not a landslide either, though). He did win several
states that a republican hasn't won in several decades, and that is
something of an accomplishment.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new job
> and that the press really is being unfair to him.
> I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  He
> definitely was combative with the press.
>
> I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The
> numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd
> thing, he just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point
> at least he needs to grow up.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left
>
>
> Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine
>
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%
> 2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-
> media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold
>> farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat
>> farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I
>> remember getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The
>> barrels were actually orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was
>> early 1960s.  None of us ever suffered the symptoms commonly associated
>> with agent orange.  Odd...
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>> left
>>
>>
>> Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from
>> Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>> left
>>
>> Laughing my ass off
>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usat
>> oday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a
>>> while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:
>>>
>>> http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has
>>> legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a
>>> threat.
>>>
>>> Good luck with that.
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>>
 If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me
 their warrant.

 On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds <
 j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

 This recently happened to an individual with a government issued phone
 from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have
 clearance to view the classification of the material on this device.

 On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

 If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic devices
 like phones and laptops, be prepared for the possibility they may demand
 that you unlock the device and let them rummage through your files and
 social media posts.  Even if you are just an ordinary citizen.  If you
 think they need a warrant for this, you would be mistaken.  They can
 probably only detain your for maybe a day and confiscate your phone, but
 you don’t have the same rights as you  would if a cop stopped you on the
 street.

 There are rumors the retro Nokia 3310 phone will be revived.  That
 would probably be a good one to take on foreign trips.

 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:40 PM
 *To:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual stocks 
and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as emphasizing 
Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock 
prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up but no 
way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 

We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  UAW 
pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.  

 

I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him giving 
the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey 
with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change 
things.  

 

Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, he 
missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can find out 
what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.  

 

Just so he does not start another shooting war...

 

From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

 

For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new job and 
that the press really is being unfair to him.

I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  He 
definitely was combative with the press.  

 

I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The numbers 
speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, he just can't 
accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at least he needs to grow 
up.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >

To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com> >

Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

 

Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine  

 

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071

 

On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold farm 
chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat farm/ranch was 
producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I remember getting 
coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The barrels were actually 
orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of us ever 
suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent orange.  Odd... 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

 

Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.

 

bp

 

On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from Steve 
Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.  

 

From: Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM

To: Animal Farm 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

 

Laughing my ass off 

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112

 

 

 

On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a while, I 
was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/

 

bp

 

On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has legal 
rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a threat. 

 

Good luck with that.

 

On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me their 
warrant.

 

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote:

 

This recently happened to an individual with a government issued phone from 
NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have clearance to 
view the classification of the material on this device.

 

On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
> wrote:

If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic devices like phones 
and laptops, be prepared for the possibility they may demand that you unlock 
the device and let them rummage th

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread David Milholen


Why is it I see eye to eye on this with you Chuck?

I definitely agree with you about a shooting war.. Stir the pot enough 
but not too much.




On 2/16/2017 4:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  
UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good 
stuff.
I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing 
him giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in 
china shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp 
enough to actually change things.
Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, 
he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you 
can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.

Just so he does not start another shooting war...
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he 
left
For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new 
job and that the press really is being unfair to him.
I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  
He definitely was combative with the press.
I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The 
numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, 
he just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at 
least he needs to grow up.

-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071
On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my
dad sold farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry
land wheat farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and
2,4,5-T around and I remember getting coated with the stuff by an
aerial applicator once.  The barrels were actually orange and had
the Olin logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of us ever
suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent orange.  Odd...
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely
coincidental.

bp


On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field
generator from Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only
works in Cupertino.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left
Laughing my ass off

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112


On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the
border in a while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I
listened to this podcast:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/


bp


On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

You are not protected by the Constitution when at the
border. DHS has legal rights to detain you indefinitely
until they feel like you are not a threat.
Good luck with that.
On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"
 wrote:

If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them
to show me their warrant.


On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds
 wrote:


This recently happened to an individual with a
government issued phone from NASA JPL, and there's a
huge stink because the DHS didn't have clearance to
view the classification of the material on this device.
On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof" 
wrote:

If you travel outside the country, and carry any
electronic devices like phones and laptops, be
prepared for the possibility they may demand that
you unlock the device and let them rummage through
your files and social media posts.  Even if you are
just an ordinary citizen.  If you think they need

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to do
anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions
on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of
creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has
been raped and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does
in long run with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging,
Clown Trump...

On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual
stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as
emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble
in US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
something up but no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.





*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...



We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  UAW
pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.



I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him
giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china
shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to
actually change things.



Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, he
missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can find
out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.



Just so he does not start another shooting war...



*From:* Adam Moffett

*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM

*To:* af@afmug.com

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left



For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new job
and that the press really is being unfair to him.

I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  He
definitely was combative with the press.



I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The
numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, he
just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at least he
needs to grow up.





-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza" 

To: "Animal Farm" 

Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left



Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine



https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%
2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-
media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071



On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold
farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat
farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I
remember getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The
barrels were actually orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was
early 1960s.  None of us ever suffered the symptoms commonly associated
with agent orange.  Odd...



*From:* Bill Prince

*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM

*To:* af@afmug.com

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left



Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.



bp





On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from
Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.



*From:* Jaime Solorza

*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM

*To:* Animal Farm

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left



Laughing my ass off

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.
usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112







On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a while,
I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/



bp





On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has legal
rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a
threat.



Good luck with that.



On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me their
warrant.



On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:



This recently happened to an individual with a government issued phone from
NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have clearance to
view the classification of the material on this device.



On Feb 15, 2017 4:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Really?  Fuck, why am I not surprised...

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-asks-a-black-reporter-to-set-up-a-meeting-with-black-members-of-congress%2F#pt0-157517

On Feb 16, 2017 4:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to do
> anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions
> on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of
> creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has
> been raped and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does
> in long run with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging,
> Clown Trump...
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual
> stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as
> emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble
> in US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
> something up but no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  UAW
> pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.
>
>
>
> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him
> giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china
> shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to
> actually change things.
>
>
>
> Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, he
> missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can find
> out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.
>
>
>
> Just so he does not start another shooting war...
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
> left
>
>
>
> For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new job
> and that the press really is being unfair to him.
>
> I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  He
> definitely was combative with the press.
>
>
>
> I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The
> numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, he
> just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at least he
> needs to grow up.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>
> To: "Animal Farm" 
>
> Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left
>
>
>
> Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine
>
>
>
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
> hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017
> %2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-
> and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071
>
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold
> farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat
> farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I
> remember getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The
> barrels were actually orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was
> early 1960s.  None of us ever suffered the symptoms commonly associated
> with agent orange.  Odd...
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
> left
>
>
>
> Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from
> Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
> left
>
>
>
> Laughing my ass off
>
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usat
> oday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a
> while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:
>
> http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> You are not protected by the

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 2/16/17 14:58, Chuck McCown wrote:

I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him
giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china
shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to
actually change things.

[AFMUG] Netonix WS-12-250-DC Fan up, or fan down?



Just put one of these switches on a DIN rail, and I noticed something 
curious. All the photos I've seen show the switch with the DC power 
terminals at the top. This makes some sense when you see that the vents 
in the side of the case are them at the top, which makes a natural path 
for hot air to escape.


However, it does not make sense when you also notice that this puts the 
fan at the bottom. Well, not at first, until you also notice that the 
fan (at the  bottom) is an exhaust fan, and not an intake fan. So the 
vents at the top, let hot air out, but the fan at the bottom is pulling 
air in from the top? Huh?  Shouldn't I be putting the DC power terminals 
at the bottom, so that the exhaust fan can actually exhaust up?


The other issue is that the DIN rail clips are spring loaded, and just 
the cable weight seems to pull on the sprung clips, and I would think 
that you'd want the fixed clips on top (the ones that don't retract), 
and that to dismount, you would lift the unit, and rotate downward.


Am I miss reading this?


--

bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Lewis Bergman

Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
and has less a footprint?

I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to do
> anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions
> on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of
> creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has
> been raped and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does
> in long run with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging,
> Clown Trump...
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual
> stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as
> emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble
> in US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
> something up but no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
>
>
> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  UAW
> pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.
>
>
>
> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him
> giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china
> shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to
> actually change things.
>
>
>
> Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, he
> missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can find
> out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.
>
>
>
> Just so he does not start another shooting war...
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
> left
>
>
>
> For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new job
> and that the press really is being unfair to him.
>
> I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  He
> definitely was combative with the press.
>
>
>
> I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The
> numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, he
> just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at least he
> needs to grow up.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>
> To: "Animal Farm" 
>
> Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left
>
>
>
> Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine
>
>
>
>
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071
>
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold
> farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat
> farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I
> remember getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The
> barrels were actually orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was
> early 1960s.  None of us ever suffered the symptoms commonly associated
> with agent orange.  Odd...
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
> left
>
>
>
> Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from
> Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
> left
>
>
>
> Laughing my ass off
>
>
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a
> while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:
>
> http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has
> legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you ar

Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

2017-02-16 Thread Lewis Bergman

Don't know dude. My daughter loves hers.it was the best buy by quite a
margin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 6:28 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Hyundai consumer vehicles are pretty lame.
>
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2017, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Sonata is pretty lame name
>
>
> On Feb 15, 2017 1:33 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
> Nova... Pun was it didn't go anywhere because it didn't run...
>
> On Feb 15, 2017 1:46 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
> Actually, I remember an example featuring Chevy in a business textbook.
> Apparently the Chevy Nova was a joke in Spanish speaking countries because
> it sounded similar to "don't go" or some such.
>
> Maybe the B/Volt is just par for the course.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/15/2017 3:30:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt
>
> They seem to have a naming problem.  First time I saw a Spark, I assumed
> it was an EV.  Nope.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt
>
>
>
> LOL!
>
>
>
> Can't believe Chevy named them that way.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 2/15/2017 3:17:58 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt
>
>
>
> Arrgh, it was a Volt, not a Bolt
>
> I thought I was very clear on the phone...
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:00 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt
>
>
>
> I found one in Provo.  Going there this afternoon.
>
>
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:55 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt
>
>
>
> Contact your local Chevy dealer and have them locate one for you... then
> fly there and test drive, and maybe just drive it home. :)
>
> Travis
>
> On 2/15/2017 11:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Sure like to test drive the Bolt.  I like the range it supposedly has.
>
>
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:30 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt
>
>
>
> Our lease is up on our Leaf next month and if they have their leasing
> program in place, we will be getting one.  Then again, if Nissan gives us a
> huge discount, we might stay with them.
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:14 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt
>
>
>
> Supposedly deliveries started in California around Jan. 1 .  My wife
> bought a Chevy Trax around that time and the dealership didn’t have a Bolt
> in the showroom and didn’t know when that would change.  It sounds like
> certain states are being prioritized.  Definitely not us, perhaps not Utah
> either?
>
>
>
> But come to Chicago, the Auto Show is this week.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt
>
>
>
> Anybody know if the Bolt is shipping?
>
>
>
> Like to take one for a test drive.  Need a new car at the end of March.
>
> It will probably be a leased leaf but I am looking around.
>
>
>
> It will almost certainly be an EV.
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

They rerouted away from town and close to reservation and water source...
Same shit  different day... Gold in Sioux country... Deadwood... That's the
argument

On Feb 16, 2017 6:31 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
> and has less a footprint?
>
> I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to do
>> anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal restrictions
>> on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in the name of
>> creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short sighted Our mother has
>> been raped and left to die in disgrace.. Stock market will do what it does
>> in long run with or without help of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging,
>> Clown Trump...
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of individual
>> stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and equities, as well as
>> emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their analysts believe we are into a bubble
>> in US stock prices and that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
>> something up but no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>>
>>
>> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  UAW
>> pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him
>> giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china
>> shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to
>> actually change things.
>>
>>
>>
>> Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, he
>> missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can find
>> out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just so he does not start another shooting war...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>> left
>>
>>
>>
>> For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new job
>> and that the press really is being unfair to him.
>>
>> I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  He
>> definitely was combative with the press.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The
>> numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, he
>> just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at least he
>> needs to grow up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>>
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>>
>> Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left
>>
>>
>>
>> Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine
>>
>>
>>
>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
>> washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%
>> 2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-
>> media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold
>> farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat
>> farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I
>> remember getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The
>> barrels were actually orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was
>> early 1960s.  None of us ever suffered the symptoms commonly associated
>> with agent orange.  Odd...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>> left
>>
>>
>>
>> Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from
>> Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
>>
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>> left
>>
>>
>>
>> Laughing my ass off
>>
>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.
>> usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>> You made me look

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix WS-12-250-DC Fan up, or fan down?

2017-02-16 Thread TJ Trout

I don't think it really matters, it's forced air ... put it at any angle?

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

>
> Just put one of these switches on a DIN rail, and I noticed something
> curious. All the photos I've seen show the switch with the DC power
> terminals at the top. This makes some sense when you see that the vents in
> the side of the case are them at the top, which makes a natural path for
> hot air to escape.
>
> However, it does not make sense when you also notice that this puts the
> fan at the bottom. Well, not at first, until you also notice that the fan
> (at the  bottom) is an exhaust fan, and not an intake fan. So the vents at
> the top, let hot air out, but the fan at the bottom is pulling air in from
> the top? Huh?  Shouldn't I be putting the DC power terminals at the bottom,
> so that the exhaust fan can actually exhaust up?
>
> The other issue is that the DIN rail clips are spring loaded, and just the
> cable weight seems to pull on the sprung clips, and I would think that
> you'd want the fixed clips on top (the ones that don't retract), and that
> to dismount, you would lift the unit, and rotate downward.
>
> Am I miss reading this?
>
>
> --
>
> bp
> 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

2017-02-16 Thread Jason McKemie

I absolutely hate Trump, but people don't seem to be paying attention to
what could be just as bad or worse, which is the crazy left wing swing back
that we are going to see in 4 or 8 years.

It would be fun to see Trump voters heads exploding in that swing back,
except for the fact that we are going to pay for it as a country once again.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  UAW
> pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.
>
> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him
> giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china
> shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to
> actually change things.
>
> Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, he
> missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can find
> out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.
>
> Just so he does not start another shooting war...
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
> left
>
> For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new job
> and that the press really is being unfair to him.
> I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  He
> definitely was combative with the press.
>
> I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The
> numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, he
> just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at least he
> needs to grow up.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left
>
>
> Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine
>
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%
> 2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-
> media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold
>> farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat
>> farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I
>> remember getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The
>> barrels were actually orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was
>> early 1960s.  None of us ever suffered the symptoms commonly associated
>> with agent orange.  Odd...
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>> left
>>
>>
>> Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator from
>> Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>> left
>>
>> Laughing my ass off
>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usat
>> oday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>
>>> You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a
>>> while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:
>>>
>>> http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>> You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS has
>>> legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a
>>> threat.
>>>
>>> Good luck with that.
>>>
>>> On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>>>
 If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show me
 their warrant.


 On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds <
 j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:


 This recently happened to an individual with a government issued phone
 from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have
 clearance to view the classification of the material on this device.

 On Feb 15, 2017 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

 If you travel outside the country, and carry any electronic devices
 like phones and laptops, be prepared for the possibility they may demand
 that you unlock the device and let them rummage through your files and
 social media posts.  Even if you are just an ordinary citizen.  If you
 think they need a warrant f

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is profiting 
from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch 
brothers...   Got it?


On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
and has less a footprint?

I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to
do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal
restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in
the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short
sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in disgrace..
Stock market will do what it does in long run with or without help
of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...

On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of
individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and
equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their
analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices and
that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up but
no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.

__ __

__ __

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

__ __

We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is
doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
exploding.  All good stuff.  

 

I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy
seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is
unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with machine gun
maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change things.


 

Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some
document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass
the bill so you can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would
have been a good rejoinder.  

 

Just so he does not start another shooting war...

 

*From:*Adam Moffett 

*Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com  

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

 

For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his
new job and that the press really is being unfair to him.

I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during
lunch.  He definitely was combative with the press.  

 

I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just
barely.  The numbers speak for themselves.  But like the
inauguration crowd thing, he just can't accept it for some
reason.  On this particular point at least he needs to grow up.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>

To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

 

Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine  

 


https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071

 

On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a
kid, my dad sold farm chemicals to supplement the meager
living the dry land wheat farm/ranch was producing.  We
had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I remember
getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator
once.  The barrels were actually orange and had the Olin
logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of us ever
suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent
orange.  Odd... 

 

*From:*Bill Prince 

*Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

I'm not so confident that we will survive him. It's gonna be a rough 4 
years if he lasts that long. I keep having visions of the Martian's 
heads exploding when they hear Slim Whitman's "Indian Love Call."


I have to mute the sound whenever I hear him speak. He is such a snake 
oil salesman that I almost go apoplectic.


It's really irritating that he doesn't seem to be able to deal with 
criticism. Did he not know that the president gets criticism from all 
corners? Jeez guy, get a pair.


With his picking fights with (for example) Australia, I do not get a 
warm and fuzzy feeling about this.



bp


On 2/16/2017 2:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  
UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good 
stuff.
I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing 
him giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in 
china shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp 
enough to actually change things.
Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, 
he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you 
can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.

Just so he does not start another shooting war...
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he 
left
For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new 
job and that the press really is being unfair to him.
I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  
He definitely was combative with the press.
I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The 
numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, 
he just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at 
least he needs to grow up.

-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071
On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my
dad sold farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry
land wheat farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and
2,4,5-T around and I remember getting coated with the stuff by an
aerial applicator once.  The barrels were actually orange and had
the Olin logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of us ever
suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent orange.  Odd...
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely
coincidental.

bp


On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field
generator from Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only
works in Cupertino.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left
Laughing my ass off

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112


On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the
border in a while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I
listened to this podcast:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/


bp


On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

You are not protected by the Constitution when at the
border. DHS has legal rights to detain you indefinitely
until they feel like you are not a threat.
Good luck with that.
On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"
 wrote:

If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them
to show me their warrant.


On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds
 wrote:


This recently happened to an individual with a
government issued phone from NASA JPL, and there's a
huge stink because the DHS didn't have clearance to
view the classification of the material on this device.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Lake was artificial.  If the indians really care about mother nature, the 
lake will have to go away too...

-Original Message- 
From: Robert

Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is profiting
from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
brothers...   Got it?

On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
and has less a footprint?

I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to
do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal
restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in
the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short
sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in disgrace..
Stock market will do what it does in long run with or without help
of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...

On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of
individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and
equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their
analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices and
that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up but
no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.

__ __

__ __

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

__ __

We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is
doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
exploding.  All good stuff.  

I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy
seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is
unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with machine gun
maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change things.

Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some
document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass
the bill so you can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would
have been a good rejoinder.  

Just so he does not start another shooting war...

*From:*Adam Moffett 

*Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com  

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his
new job and that the press really is being unfair to him.

I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during
lunch.  He definitely was combative with the press.  

I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just
barely.  The numbers speak for themselves.  But like the
inauguration crowd thing, he just can't accept it for some
reason.  On this particular point at least he needs to grow 
up.

-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>

To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine  

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071

On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a
kid, my dad sold farm chemicals to supplement the meager
living the dry land wheat farm/ranch was producing.  We
had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I remember
getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator
once.  The barrels were actually orange and had the Olin
logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of us ever
suffered the s

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Either he will have to quit, die, have a stoke or figure out how to take the 
criticism.  No way around it.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

I'm not so confident that we will survive him. It's gonna be a rough 4 years if 
he lasts that long. I keep having visions of the Martian's heads exploding when 
they hear Slim Whitman's "Indian Love Call."

I have to mute the sound whenever I hear him speak. He is such a snake oil 
salesman that I almost go apoplectic.

It's really irritating that he doesn't seem to be able to deal with criticism. 
Did he not know that the president gets criticism from all corners? Jeez guy, 
get a pair.

With his picking fights with (for example) Australia, I do not get a warm and 
fuzzy feeling about this.

bp

On 2/16/2017 2:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.  UAW 
pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good stuff.  

  I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing him 
giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, 
monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change 
things.  

  Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document, he 
missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you can find out 
what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.  

  Just so he does not start another shooting war...

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

  For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new job and 
that the press really is being unfair to him.
  I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.  He 
definitely was combative with the press.  

  I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The 
numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing, he just 
can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at least he needs to 
grow up.

  -- Original Message --
  From: "Jaime Solorza" 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine  

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071

On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my dad sold 
farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry land wheat farm/ranch 
was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I remember 
getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator once.  The barrels were 
actually orange and had the Olin logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of 
us ever suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent orange.  Odd... 

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left

  Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely coincidental.

bp

On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field generator 
from Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only works in Cupertino.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he 
left

Laughing my ass off 

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112

On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the border in a 
while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I listened to this podcast:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/

bp

On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

You are not protected by the Constitution when at the border. DHS 
has legal rights to detain you indefinitely until they feel like you are not a 
threat. 

Good luck with that.

On Feb 15, 2017 5:21 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

  If someone asks me to unlock my phone, I would ask them to show 
me their warrant.

  On Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

  This recently happened to an individual with a government issued 
phone from NASA JPL, and there's a huge stink because the DHS didn't have 
clearance to view the classification

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Not just lake... But I am tired Good night

On Feb 16, 2017 7:59 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Lake was artificial.  If the indians really care about mother nature, the
> lake will have to go away too...
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>
> Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is profiting
> from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
> brothers...   Got it?
>
> On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
>> Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
>> and has less a footprint?
>>
>> I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to
>> do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal
>> restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in
>> the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short
>> sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in disgrace..
>> Stock market will do what it does in long run with or without help
>> of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" > > wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of
>> individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and
>> equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their
>> analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices and
>> that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up but
>> no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>> __ __
>>
>> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is
>> doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
>> exploding.  All good stuff.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy
>> seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is
>> unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with machine gun
>> maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change things.
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some
>> document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass
>> the bill so you can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would
>> have been a good rejoinder.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Just so he does not start another shooting war...
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:*Adam Moffett 
>>
>> *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
>>
>> *To:*af@afmug.com  
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
>> before he left
>>
>>  
>>
>> For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his
>> new job and that the press really is being unfair to him.
>>
>> I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during
>> lunch.  He definitely was combative with the press.  
>>
>>  
>>
>> I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just
>> barely.  The numbers speak for themselves.  But like the
>> inauguration crowd thing, he just can't accept it for some
>> reason.  On this particular point at least he needs to grow
>> up.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>>
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" > >
>>
>> To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>>
>> Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
>> before he left
>>
>>  
>>
>> Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine  
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
>> hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017
>> %2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-
>> and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" > > wrote:
>>
>> I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Indians and their supporters are propped up by Buffett money..  Same for 
the other side of the deal...


On 2/16/17 6:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Lake was artificial.  If the indians really care about mother nature,
the lake will have to go away too...

-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is profiting
from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
brothers...   Got it?

On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
and has less a footprint?

I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to
do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal
restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in
the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short
sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in disgrace..
Stock market will do what it does in long run with or without help
of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...

On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of
individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and
equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their
analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices and
that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up but
no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.

__ __

__ __

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

__ __

We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is
doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
exploding.  All good stuff.  

 

I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy
seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is
unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with machine gun
maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change things.


 

Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some
document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass
the bill so you can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would
have been a good rejoinder.  

 

Just so he does not start another shooting war...

 

*From:*Adam Moffett 

*Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com  

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

 

For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his
new job and that the press really is being unfair to him.

I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during
lunch.  He definitely was combative with the press.  

 

I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just
barely.  The numbers speak for themselves.  But like the
inauguration crowd thing, he just can't accept it for some
reason.  On this particular point at least he needs to grow
up.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>

To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

 

Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine  

 


https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071


 

On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a
kid, my dad sold farm chemicals to supplement the meager
living the dry land wheat farm/ranch was producing.  We
had barrels of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T around and I remember
getting coated with the stuff by an aerial applicator
once.  The barre

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Interesting comment by Chuck Todd tonight that he actually enjoys this 
sort of confrontation..   It's his element and it goes right by, over, 
through him..   He grew up with people giving him sass and while he gets 
mad at it, it's his "game"...   I am guessing we will see in the next 
six months..   Luckily the football requires other authorization...


On 2/16/17 7:00 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Either he will have to quit, die, have a stoke or figure out how to take
the criticism.  No way around it.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:18 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...


I'm not so confident that we will survive him. It's gonna be a rough 4
years if he lasts that long. I keep having visions of the Martian's
heads exploding when they hear Slim Whitman's "Indian Love Call."

I have to mute the sound whenever I hear him speak. He is such a snake
oil salesman that I almost go apoplectic.

It's really irritating that he doesn't seem to be able to deal with
criticism. Did he not know that the president gets criticism from all
corners? Jeez guy, get a pair.

With his picking fights with (for example) Australia, I do not get a
warm and fuzzy feeling about this.


bp


On 2/16/2017 2:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.
UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good
stuff.

I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing
him giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in
china shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp
enough to actually change things.

Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document,
he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you
can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.

Just so he does not start another shooting war...

*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
left

For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new
job and that the press really is being unfair to him.
I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.
He definitely was combative with the press.

I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The
numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing,
he just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at
least he needs to grow up.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left


Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071

On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my
dad sold farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry
land wheat farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and
2,4,5-T around and I remember getting coated with the stuff by an
aerial applicator once.  The barrels were actually orange and had
the Olin logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of us ever
suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent orange.  Odd...

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left


Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely
coincidental.



bp


On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field
generator from Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only
works in Cupertino.

*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

Laughing my ass off

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112





On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the
border in a while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I
listened to this podcast:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/




bp


On 2/15/2017 3:36 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

You are not protected by the Constitution when at the
border

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

This is definitely a bubble, but it's the biggest bubble we've ever had. If
trump falls, it will burst and it will burst hard, 1929 style. If he just
Peters out it will deflate. If he succeeds, anybody who puts all their eggs
in that basket is nuts, we will hit a wall... And in 16 years we might have
an independent in the Whitehouse, that's what liberals will be going by in
that timeframe, and we will all fall down. But there will be a ton of money
to be made in that time frame.
We joke about winning too much, but eventually we will.

On Feb 16, 2017 5:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Interesting comment by Chuck Todd tonight that he actually enjoys this
> sort of confrontation..   It's his element and it goes right by, over,
> through him..   He grew up with people giving him sass and while he gets
> mad at it, it's his "game"...   I am guessing we will see in the next six
> months..   Luckily the football requires other authorization...
>
> On 2/16/17 7:00 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Either he will have to quit, die, have a stoke or figure out how to take
>> the criticism.  No way around it.
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:18 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>>
>> I'm not so confident that we will survive him. It's gonna be a rough 4
>> years if he lasts that long. I keep having visions of the Martian's
>> heads exploding when they hear Slim Whitman's "Indian Love Call."
>>
>> I have to mute the sound whenever I hear him speak. He is such a snake
>> oil salesman that I almost go apoplectic.
>>
>> It's really irritating that he doesn't seem to be able to deal with
>> criticism. Did he not know that the president gets criticism from all
>> corners? Jeez guy, get a pair.
>>
>> With his picking fights with (for example) Australia, I do not get a
>> warm and fuzzy feeling about this.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 2/16/2017 2:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.
>>> UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing
>>> him giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in
>>> china shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp
>>> enough to actually change things.
>>>
>>> Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document,
>>> he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you
>>> can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.
>>>
>>> Just so he does not start another shooting war...
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
>>> left
>>>
>>> For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new
>>> job and that the press really is being unfair to him.
>>> I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.
>>> He definitely was combative with the press.
>>>
>>> I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The
>>> numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing,
>>> he just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at
>>> least he needs to grow up.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>>> Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he left
>>>
>>> Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine

 https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
 hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017
 %2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-
 and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071

 On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

 I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my
 dad sold farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry
 land wheat farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and
 2,4,5-T around and I remember getting coated with the stuff by an
 aerial applicator once.  The barrels were actually orange and had
 the Olin logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of us ever
 suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent orange.  Odd...

 *From:* Bill Prince
 *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
 before he left


 Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely
 coincidental.



 bp
 

 On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

> Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field
> generator from Steve Jobs bu

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Correcting myself, in that it requires no other authority..  D'oh... 
just a verification of identity..


On 2/16/17 7:21 PM, Robert wrote:

Interesting comment by Chuck Todd tonight that he actually enjoys this
sort of confrontation..   It's his element and it goes right by, over,
through him..   He grew up with people giving him sass and while he gets
mad at it, it's his "game"...   I am guessing we will see in the next
six months..   Luckily the football requires other authorization...

On 2/16/17 7:00 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Either he will have to quit, die, have a stoke or figure out how to take
the criticism.  No way around it.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:18 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...


I'm not so confident that we will survive him. It's gonna be a rough 4
years if he lasts that long. I keep having visions of the Martian's
heads exploding when they hear Slim Whitman's "Indian Love Call."

I have to mute the sound whenever I hear him speak. He is such a snake
oil salesman that I almost go apoplectic.

It's really irritating that he doesn't seem to be able to deal with
criticism. Did he not know that the president gets criticism from all
corners? Jeez guy, get a pair.

With his picking fights with (for example) Australia, I do not get a
warm and fuzzy feeling about this.


bp


On 2/16/2017 2:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is doing.
UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads exploding.  All good
stuff.

I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy seeing
him giving the media crap.  I like that he is unpredictable.  Bull in
china shop, monkey with machine gun maybe it will churn the swamp
enough to actually change things.

Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some document,
he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass the bill so you
can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would have been a good rejoinder.

Just so he does not start another shooting war...

*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
left

For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his new
job and that the press really is being unfair to him.
I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during lunch.
He definitely was combative with the press.

I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just barely.  The
numbers speak for themselves.  But like the inauguration crowd thing,
he just can't accept it for some reason.  On this particular point at
least he needs to grow up.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers before he
left


Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2017%2F02%2F16%2Ftrump-says-he-inherited-a-mess-blasts-media-and-detractors-for-treatment-of-his-administration%2F#pt0-543071


On Feb 16, 2017 3:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

I will always wonder about agent orange.  When I was a kid, my
dad sold farm chemicals to supplement the meager living the dry
land wheat farm/ranch was producing.  We had barrels of 2,4-D and
2,4,5-T around and I remember getting coated with the stuff by an
aerial applicator once.  The barrels were actually orange and had
the Olin logos on them.  This was early 1960s.  None of us ever
suffered the symptoms commonly associated with agent orange.
Odd...

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left


Any relationship between reality and Agent Orange is purely
coincidental.



bp


On 2/16/2017 2:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Strange.  I think he purchased a reality distortion field
generator from Steve Jobs but does not understand that it only
works in Cupertino.

*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:50 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
before he left

Laughing my ass off

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Famp.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2F98002648%2F#pt0-986112







On Feb 16, 2017 2:00 PM, "Bill Prince" 
wrote:

You made me look it up Josh. Not having had to cross the
border in a while, I was in the dark. Then, as it happens, I
listened to this podcast:

http://www.wnyc.org/story/what-we-know-about-border/




bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Do you blame buffet? Hes got a lot of skin in the game. My buddy at bnsf
will tell you, there is company wide concern here.

On Feb 16, 2017 9:17 PM, "Robert"  wrote:

> Indians and their supporters are propped up by Buffett money..  Same for
> the other side of the deal...
>
> On 2/16/17 6:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Lake was artificial.  If the indians really care about mother nature,
>> the lake will have to go away too...
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Robert
>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:14 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>
>> Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is profiting
>> from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
>> brothers...   Got it?
>>
>> On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>>> Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
>>> and has less a footprint?
>>>
>>> I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to
>>> do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal
>>> restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in
>>> the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short
>>> sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in disgrace..
>>> Stock market will do what it does in long run with or without help
>>> of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...
>>>
>>> On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of
>>> individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and
>>> equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their
>>> analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices and
>>> that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up but
>>> no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>> ] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>
>>> __ __
>>>
>>> We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is
>>> doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
>>> exploding.  All good stuff.  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy
>>> seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is
>>> unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with machine gun
>>> maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change things.
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some
>>> document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass
>>> the bill so you can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would
>>> have been a good rejoinder.  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Just so he does not start another shooting war...
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:*Adam Moffett 
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM
>>>
>>> *To:*af@afmug.com  
>>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
>>> before he left
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his
>>> new job and that the press really is being unfair to him.
>>>
>>> I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during
>>> lunch.  He definitely was combative with the press.  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just
>>> barely.  The numbers speak for themselves.  But like the
>>> inauguration crowd thing, he just can't accept it for some
>>> reason.  On this particular point at least he needs to grow
>>> up.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>>
>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" >> >
>>>
>>> To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>>>
>>> Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59 PM
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
>>> before he left
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Now my sides are aching Fine tuned machine  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.was
>>> hingtonpost.com%2Famphtml%2Fnews%2Fpost-politi

Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

2017-02-16 Thread Travis Johnson

Girls don't care what they drive... men would never be caught dead in a 
Hyundai. LOL


Travis

On 2/16/2017 6:46 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


Don't know dude. My daughter loves hers.it  was the 
best buy by quite a margin.



On Wed, Feb 15, 2017, 6:28 PM Jason McKemie 
> wrote:


Hyundai consumer vehicles are pretty lame.

On Wednesday, February 15, 2017, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Sonata is pretty lame name


On Feb 15, 2017 1:33 PM, "Adam Moffett" 
wrote:

Nova... Pun was it didn't go anywhere because it didn't
run...

On Feb 15, 2017 1:46 PM, "Adam Moffett"
 wrote:

Actually, I remember an example featuring Chevy in a
business textbook.
Apparently the Chevy Nova was a joke in Spanish
speaking countries because it sounded similar to
"don't go" or some such.

Maybe the B/Volt is just par for the course.


-- Original Message --
From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/15/2017 3:30:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt


They seem to have a naming problem.  First time I saw
a Spark, I assumed it was an EV. Nope.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

LOL!

Can't believe Chevy named them that way.

-- Original Message --

From: "Chuck McCown" 

To: af@afmug.com

Sent: 2/15/2017 3:17:58 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

Arrgh, it was a Volt, not a Bolt

I thought I was very clear on the phone...

*From:*Chuck McCown

*Sent:*Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:00 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

I found one in Provo. Going there this afternoon.

*From:*Travis Johnson

*Sent:*Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:55 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

Contact your local Chevy dealer and have them
locate one for you... then fly there and test
drive, and maybe just drive it home. :)

Travis

On 2/15/2017 11:40 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Sure like to test drive the Bolt.  I like the
range it supposedly has.

*From:*Rory Conaway

*Sent:*Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:30 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

Our lease is up on our Leaf next month and if
they have their leasing program in place, we
will be getting one.  Then again, if Nissan
gives us a huge discount, we might stay with
them.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:14 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

Supposedly deliveries started in California
around Jan. 1 .  My wife bought a Chevy Trax
around that time and the dealership didn’t
have a Bolt in the showroom and didn’t know
when that would change. It sounds like
certain states are being prioritized.
Definitely not us, perhaps not Utah either?

But come to Chicago, the Auto Show is this week.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:17 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Chevy Bolt

Anybody know if the Bolt is shipping?

Like to take one for a test drive.  Need a
new car at the end of March.

It will probably be a leased leaf but I am
looking around.

It will almost certainly be an EV.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Rump owns stock in Texas based pipeline outfit Not that seems to
matter Plus his new pick to replace Flynn turned him down....now to
bed to dream. Me la pelan

On Feb 16, 2017 8:29 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> Do you blame buffet? Hes got a lot of skin in the game. My buddy at bnsf
> will tell you, there is company wide concern here.
>
> On Feb 16, 2017 9:17 PM, "Robert"  wrote:
>
>> Indians and their supporters are propped up by Buffett money..  Same for
>> the other side of the deal...
>>
>> On 2/16/17 6:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> Lake was artificial.  If the indians really care about mother nature,
>>> the lake will have to go away too...
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Robert
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:14 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...
>>>
>>> Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is profiting
>>> from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
>>> brothers...   Got it?
>>>
>>> On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>
 Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via train is safer
 and has less a footprint?

 I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.

 On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza >>> > wrote:

 i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's ability to
 do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots... Repeal
 restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams and forest in
 the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short
 sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in disgrace..
 Stock market will do what it does in long run with or without help
 of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...

 On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" >>> > wrote:

 FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving out of
 individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed bonds and
 equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently their
 analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock prices and
 that President Agent Orange is likely to mess something up but
 no way to predict what it will be and hedge against it.

 __ __

 __ __

 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
 ] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
 *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

 __ __

 We will survive him.  I really like what the stock market is
 doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
 exploding.  All good stuff.  

 I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I do enjoy
 seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is
 unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with machine gun
 maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually change things.

 Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he read some
 document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we have to pass
 the bill so you can find out what’s in it comment”...  Would
 have been a good rejoinder.  

 Just so he does not start another shooting war...

 *From:*Adam Moffett 

 *Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM

 *To:*af@afmug.com  

 *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Obama Admin Gave NSA Broad New Powers
 before he left

 For all of our sakes I hope he is really going to be good at his
 new job and that the press really is being unfair to him.

 I listened to some of the press conference on NPR today during
 lunch.  He definitely was combative with the press.  

 I think it's pretty clear to anyone that he won only just
 barely.  The numbers speak for themselves.  But like the
 inauguration crowd thing, he just can't accept it for some
 reason.  On this particular point at least he needs to grow
 up.

 -- Original Message --

 From: "Jaime Solorza" >>> >

 To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>

 Sent: 2/16/2017 5:34:59

[AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings.

2017-02-16 Thread Brandon Yuchasz

Hopefully and easy question here.

 

We have always used the onboard GPS for ePMP access points up until this
point.  We recently installed 4 new ePMP APs and the tower blocks our north
facing AP from getting GPS on the onboard GPS. All other track GPS just
fine. We also have 450 APs on the tower and are using a PacketFlux
PowerInjector Plus to power them and provide GPS and its working fine. I
then installed a Gigabit SyncInjector ( had it on the shelf new)  to power
the ePMP APs and connected it to the GPS feed with a standard patch cable on
the PowerInjector Plus. Light flashes shows its getting GPS but no joy on
the ePMP AP.

 

So my questions are :

 

what configuration should I use in the ePMP AP?

 

And I am fairly sure stadard patch cable is acceptable between the two
packet flux but I wanted to confirm?

 

Thanks everyone.

 

Brandon Yuchasz

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

I have no "blame"  I just have "wake up and smell the roses"  for all 
those that think it's some sort of tribal or environmental who ha... 
One group plays the people side, the other plays the business side.. 
Both sides mess stuff up and have big vested interests in keeping us 
sucking up oil...

On 2/16/17 7:29 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

Do you blame buffet? Hes got a lot of skin in the game. My buddy at bnsf
will tell you, there is company wide concern here.

On Feb 16, 2017 9:17 PM, "Robert" mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

Indians and their supporters are propped up by Buffett money..  Same
for the other side of the deal...

On 2/16/17 6:59 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Lake was artificial.  If the indians really care about mother
nature,
the lake will have to go away too...

-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2017 7:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...

Follow the money...  Pipeline vs tank car is all about who is
profiting
from moving the oil...   Tank car is Buffett, Oil line is Koch
brothers...   Got it?

On 2/16/17 5:31 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Really?  Pipeline?  So you think carying all that oil via
train is safer
and has less a footprint?

I really don't give a crap, just don't get the arguement.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017, 5:50 PM Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

i have 100% confidence in our system... Zero in Trump's
ability to
do anything  worthwhile He does the glamour shots...
Repeal
restrictions on dumping coal related crap into streams
and forest in
the name of creating jobs... Same with pipe line. Short
sighted Our mother has been raped and left to die in
disgrace..
Stock market will do what it does in long run with or
without help
of Afraid of his Shadow,  Draft Dodging, Clown Trump...

On Feb 16, 2017 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
>> wrote:

FWIW, my investment advisor just recommended moving
out of
individual stocks and into managed funds of mixed
bonds and
equities, as well as emphasizing Europe.  Evidently
their
analysts believe we are into a bubble in US stock
prices and
that President Agent Orange is likely to mess
something up but
no way to predict what it will be and hedge against
it.

__ __

__ __

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com

>] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 4:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama
admin...

__ __

We will survive him.  I really like what the stock
market is
doing.  UAW pushing buy American again.  Liberal heads
exploding.  All good stuff.  

I still don’t like him, probably never will.  But I
do enjoy
seeing him giving the media crap.  I like that he is
unpredictable.  Bull in china shop, monkey with
machine gun
maybe it will churn the swamp enough to actually
change things.

Funny, someone needled him about whether or not he
read some
document, he missed the classic Nancy Pelosi “we
have to pass
the bill so you can find out what’s in it
comment”...  Would
have been a good rejoinder.  

Just so he does not start another shooting war...

*From:*Adam Moffett 

*Sent:*Thursday, February 16, 2017 3:51 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 
> 

*Subjec

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP and Packet Flux configuration settings.

Shorter the better on the cable
Update all the components to the current firmware, and verify the syncpipe
is the right revision. The default pinout on the pins inside works with 48v
ps

On Feb 16, 2017 11:35 PM, "Brandon Yuchasz"  wrote:

Hopefully and easy question here.



We have always used the onboard GPS for ePMP access points up until this
point.  We recently installed 4 new ePMP APs and the tower blocks our north
facing AP from getting GPS on the onboard GPS. All other track GPS just
fine. We also have 450 APs on the tower and are using a PacketFlux
PowerInjector Plus to power them and provide GPS and its working fine. I
then installed a Gigabit SyncInjector ( had it on the shelf new)  to power
the ePMP APs and connected it to the GPS feed with a standard patch cable
on the PowerInjector Plus. Light flashes shows its getting GPS but no joy
on the ePMP AP.



So my questions are :



what configuration should I use in the ePMP AP?



And I am fairly sure stadard patch cable is acceptable between the two
packet flux but I wanted to confirm?



Thanks everyone.



Brandon Yuchasz

Re: [AFMUG] OT Jaime's thread was Obama admin...