Re: [AFMUG] PTP600 cacti

[Steve Utick]

No problem.  Can you let me know if it works for the PTP600 so I know for
future as well?

Thanks.


On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:59 AM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> Thank you sir!
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Steve Utick  wrote:
>
>> I don't know for sure if the MIB's are the same as the PTP500 radios, but
>> you can give my PTP500 template a try:
>> http://www.north-hill.net/files/cacti-ptp500.zip
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 5:23 AM, Eric Muehleisen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone have Cacti templates they could share for a Cambium PTP600?
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Jaime Solorza]

same phonesun was bright that day

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 8:09 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> New camera/phone?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 02, 2017 7:12 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
> non-WISPnon-business related discussions
>
> This was the tower pit we made for solar panel system.
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> Done.  Does this get me one free Trump endorsement aimed at Jaime?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
>> non-WISPnon-business related discussions
>>
>>
>>
>> OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep
>> it running for a year.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra
>> cash to:   pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
>> non-WISPnon-business related discussions
>>
>>
>>
>> What paypal account do you want filled with money?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Paul McCall
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
>> non-WISP non-business related discussions
>>
>>
>>
>> My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck
>> and support the valued members that found the list a great resource.
>> PDMNet wanted to give back to the WISP community.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly
>> by traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority
>> support.  I could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it
>> now for at least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I
>> mean a LOT to fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular
>> to how email flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I
>> believe we made the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t
>> deal with a server based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting
>> blacklisted, no other drama.  We wanted simple and stable and relatively
>> maintenance free.  I love maintenance free.
>>
>>
>>
>> I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political
>> season came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely
>> LOVE hear about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are
>> investing or anything like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I
>> wouldn’t want to filter that.  I love hearing what this groups other
>> opinions are on a multitude of OT subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t
>> stand the absolute garbage that gets spewed (JMO) over and over…  and
>> over.  We get it.  You don’t like the president AT ALL.  You want to
>> continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  We truly do.  You have
>> fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s mind who does hatse
>> the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  JMO
>>
>>
>>
>> As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less
>> technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it
>> does take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to
>> creep into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good
>> contributing members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people
>> do not want to have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never
>> watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t
>> complain.  They just go away.  I chose to say something.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header
>> like PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something
>> similar and then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP
>> non-business related discussions
>>
>>
>>
>> I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there
>> were others too …
>>
>>
>>
>> Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already
>> have the infrastructure (which I do)
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I 

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I think he'd like to bury a certain

nevermind.
i'm in counseling. i promise.
LOL

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rory Conaway 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 8:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions


  Are you offering to make me a cement overcoat?

   

  Rory

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 7:13 PM
  To: Animal Farm
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

   

  This was the tower pit we made for solar panel system.   




  Jaime Solorza

  Wireless Systems Architect

  915-861-1390

   

  On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

  Done.  Does this get me one free Trump endorsement aimed at Jaime?

   

  Rory

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

   

  OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.  

   

  If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash 
to:   pa...@pdmnet.net

   

   

   

  From: Chuck McCown 

  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

   

  What paypal account do you want filled with money?

   

  From: Paul McCall 

  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

   

  My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

   

  Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.  

   

  I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

   

  As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less 
technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does 
take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep 
into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing 
members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to 
have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or 
FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They 
just go away.  I chose to say something.

   

  Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   

   

  Paul

   

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

   

  I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

   

  Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do) 

   

  Paul

   

   

   

On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

 

I agree. The list 

Re: [AFMUG] AWS reboot time

[Chuck McCown]

Oh, fudge

-Original Message- 
From: Bruce Robertson 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 6:56 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AWS reboot time 


Does "oops" cover this situation?  I'm not quite sure.

On 3/2/17 5:05 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

How long does it take to reboot Amazon?

"It wasn't until 1:54 pm Pacific time, four hours and 17 minutes after 
the mistyped command was first entered, that the entire system was 
back up and running."



!DSPAM:2,58b8c15f105651833120166!

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Chuck McCown]

Thank God.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 7:35 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

I put that on wrong one...No hidden agenda here...I promised no more for Lent 
..Man of my word..

On Mar 2, 2017 7:29 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

  Are you offering to make me a cement overcoat?



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 7:13 PM
  To: Animal Farm
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions



  This was the tower pit we made for solar panel system.   




  Jaime Solorza

  Wireless Systems Architect

  915-861-1390



  On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

  Done.  Does this get me one free Trump endorsement aimed at Jaime?



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions



  OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.  



  If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash 
to:   pa...@pdmnet.net







  From: Chuck McCown 

  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions



  What paypal account do you want filled with money?



  From: Paul McCall 

  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions



  My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.



  Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.  



  I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO



  As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less 
technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does 
take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep 
into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing 
members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to 
have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or 
FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They 
just go away.  I chose to say something.



  Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   



  Paul







  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions



  I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …



  Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do) 



  Paul







On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:



I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's 

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Chuck McCown]

New camera/phone?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 7:12 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

This was the tower pit we made for solar panel system.   

Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

  Done.  Does this get me one free Trump endorsement aimed at Jaime?



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions



  OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.  



  If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash 
to:   pa...@pdmnet.net







  From: Chuck McCown 

  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions



  What paypal account do you want filled with money?



  From: Paul McCall 

  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions



  My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.



  Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.  



  I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO



  As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less 
technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does 
take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep 
into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing 
members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to 
have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or 
FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They 
just go away.  I chose to say something.



  Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   



  Paul







  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions



  I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …



  Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do) 



  Paul







On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:



I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive 
anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid 
draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than 
$100/month each.



bp



On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:



I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been 
utter garbage for sure.



What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have 

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Robert]

How high are you mounting these panels?  That looks good for an 80 foot 
tower...


On 3/2/17 6:12 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

This was the tower pit we made for solar panel system.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Rory Conaway > wrote:

Done.  Does this get me one free Trump endorsement aimed at Jaime?

__ __

Rory

__ __

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness
of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

__ __

OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will
keep it running for a year.  

 

If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and
extra cash to:   pa...@pdmnet.net 

 

 

 

*From:*Chuck McCown 

*Sent:*Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com  

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

 

What paypal account do you want filled with money?

 

*From:*Paul McCall 

*Sent:*Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com  

*Subject:*[AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
non-WISP non-business related discussions

 

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support
Chuck and support the valued members that found the list a great
resource.  PDMNet wanted to give back to the WISP community.

 

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies
slightly by traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium
priority support.  I could cut out the support probably because we
haven’t needed it now for at least 6 months.  At the time, there was
a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to fully integrate properly with
AWS.  They are very particular to how email flows, their API etc.
We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made the right
decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no
other drama.  We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance
free.  I love maintenance free.  

 

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the
political season came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or
others).  I absolutely LOVE hear about Travis other business
efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything like that.
That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a
multitude of OT subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the
absolute garbage that gets spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.
We get it.  You don’t like the president AT ALL.  You want to
continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  We truly do.  You
have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s mind who
does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.
JMO

 

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less
technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.
While it does take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its
title, it seems to creep into many other “normal threads” also.  The
last 6 months, good contributing members have become distant or gone
completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort through the
muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just
go away.  I chose to say something.

 

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject
header like PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or
something similar and then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we
never see it.   

 

Paul

 

 

 

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
*Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
*To:* Animal Farm >
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP
non-business related discussions

 

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know
there were others too …

 

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you
already have the infrastructure (which I do) 

 

Paul

 

Re: [AFMUG] AWS reboot time

[Robert]

Maybe it was:  "Hold my beer and watch this"

On 3/2/17 5:56 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:

Does "oops" cover this situation?  I'm not quite sure.

On 3/2/17 5:05 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

How long does it take to reboot Amazon?

"It wasn't until 1:54 pm Pacific time, four hours and 17 minutes after
the mistyped command was first entered, that the entire system was
back up and running."


!DSPAM:2,58b8c15f105651833120166!

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Jaime Solorza]

I put that on wrong one...No hidden agenda here...I promised no more for
Lent ..Man of my word..

On Mar 2, 2017 7:29 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> Are you offering to make me a cement overcoat?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2017 7:13 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
> non-WISPnon-business related discussions
>
>
>
> This was the tower pit we made for solar panel system.
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
> Done.  Does this get me one free Trump endorsement aimed at Jaime?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
> non-WISPnon-business related discussions
>
>
>
> OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep
> it running for a year.
>
>
>
> If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra
> cash to:   pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
> non-WISPnon-business related discussions
>
>
>
> What paypal account do you want filled with money?
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul McCall
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of
> non-WISP non-business related discussions
>
>
>
> My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck
> and support the valued members that found the list a great resource.
> PDMNet wanted to give back to the WISP community.
>
>
>
> Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by
> traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I
> could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at
> least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to
> fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email
> flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we
> made the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a
> server based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no
> other drama.  We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.
> I love maintenance free.
>
>
>
> I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political
> season came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely
> LOVE hear about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are
> investing or anything like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I
> wouldn’t want to filter that.  I love hearing what this groups other
> opinions are on a multitude of OT subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t
> stand the absolute garbage that gets spewed (JMO) over and over…  and
> over.  We get it.  You don’t like the president AT ALL.  You want to
> continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  We truly do.  You have
> fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s mind who does hatse
> the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  JMO
>
>
>
> As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less
> technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it
> does take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to
> creep into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good
> contributing members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people
> do not want to have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never
> watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t
> complain.  They just go away.  I chose to say something.
>
>
>
> Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header
> like PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something
> similar and then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP
> non-business related discussions
>
>
>
> I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there
> were others too …
>
>
>
> Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already
> have the infrastructure (which I do)
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>
>
> I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive
> anyway, 

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Rory Conaway]

Are you offering to make me a cement overcoat?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 7:13 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

This was the tower pit we made for solar panel system.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
Done.  Does this get me one free Trump endorsement aimed at Jaime?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.

If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash to: 
  pa...@pdmnet.net



From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

What paypal account do you want filled with money?

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less technical 
questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does take just 
a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep into many 
other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing members have 
become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort 
through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go away.  I 
chose to say something.

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.

Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
To: Animal Farm >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do)

Paul



On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:

I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive anyway, 
but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid draining 
Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than $100/month 
each.

bp

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Rory Conaway]

Done.  Does this get me one free Trump endorsement aimed at Jaime?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.

If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash to: 
  pa...@pdmnet.net



From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

What paypal account do you want filled with money?

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less technical 
questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does take just 
a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep into many 
other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing members have 
become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort 
through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go away.  I 
chose to say something.

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.

Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do)

Paul



On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive anyway, 
but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid draining 
Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than $100/month 
each.

bp

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
garbage for sure.

What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have benefited 
from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the list 
directly, so here goes.

Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or two 
people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the BS, 
politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as 

[AFMUG] 430 SM license key

[George Skorup]

Stupid question since I don't work with 430 all that much. Can I use a 
450 20 to uncapped license key for a 20Mb 430 SM?

Re: [AFMUG] AWS reboot time

[Bruce Robertson]

Does "oops" cover this situation?  I'm not quite sure.

On 3/2/17 5:05 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

How long does it take to reboot Amazon?

"It wasn't until 1:54 pm Pacific time, four hours and 17 minutes after 
the mistyped command was first entered, that the entire system was 
back up and running."



!DSPAM:2,58b8c15f105651833120166!

[AFMUG] AWS reboot time

[Chuck McCown]

How long does it take to reboot Amazon?

"It wasn't until 1:54 pm Pacific time, four hours and 17 minutes after the 
mistyped command was first entered, that the entire system was back up and 
running." 

Re: [AFMUG] so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo...

[Mike Hammett]

I believe he "won". 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 10:09:17 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo... 




I remember when Michael fought a battle with ISPCON vs WISPCON in this country. 
Do not recall the outcome. I think he was allowed to keep using WISPCON. 




From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 8:29 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo... 



LOL! 

It’s a compliment, right? 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 8:07 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your 
logo... 


Or just hijacks your whole online presence. 

https://www.facebook.com/WISPAP/ 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 9:05:20 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo... 

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1577608362489927=br_rs 


Gino Villarini 

President 

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Paul McCall]

Appreciated of course!  Thank you!

And, you are welcome.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions


I sent $50. I really appreciate your doing this Paul.



bp




On 3/2/2017 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.

If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash to: 
  pa...@pdmnet.net



From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

What paypal account do you want filled with money?

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less technical 
questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does take just 
a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep into many 
other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing members have 
become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort 
through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go away.  I 
chose to say something.

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.

Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do)

Paul



On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:

I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive anyway, 
but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid draining 
Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than $100/month 
each.

bp

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
garbage for sure.

What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have benefited 
from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
I shared this with Chuck McCown, and 

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Paul McCall]

Appreciated of course!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

I sent $50.

It’s not much, but I hope it helps.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.

If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash to: 
  pa...@pdmnet.net



From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

What paypal account do you want filled with money?

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less technical 
questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does take just 
a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep into many 
other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing members have 
become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort 
through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go away.  I 
chose to say something.

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.

Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
To: Animal Farm >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do)

Paul



On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:

I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive anyway, 
but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid draining 
Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than $100/month 
each.

bp

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
garbage for sure.

What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have benefited 
from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo...

[Gino Villarini]

Will try ..

From: Af > on behalf of 
Faisal Imtiaz >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 11:52 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo...

Be flattered that someone thinks your name and logo are worth copying.

There is not much you can do about the folks in India.

However, if your Name and Logo have copyrights or registered trademark, you 
should be able to get Facebook to get these folks to remove the Logo and 
name.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]


From: "Gino Villarini" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 10:05:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo...
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1577608362489927=br_rs



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Chuck McCown]

2 months down 10 to go.  Thanks guys.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 4:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

I sent $50. I really appreciate your doing this Paul.



bp


On 3/2/2017 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.  

  If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash 
to:   pa...@pdmnet.net



  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

  What paypal account do you want filled with money?

  From: Paul McCall 
  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

  My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

   

  Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.  

   

  I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

   

  As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less 
technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does 
take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep 
into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing 
members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to 
have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or 
FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They 
just go away.  I chose to say something.

   

  Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   

   

  Paul

   

   

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
  To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

   

  I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

   

  Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do) 

   

  Paul

   

   

   

On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

 

I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive 
anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid 
draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than 
$100/month each.

 

bp

 

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

 

I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been 
utter garbage for sure.

 

What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have 
benefited from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

  I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he 

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Bill Prince]

I sent $50. I really appreciate your doing this Paul.


bp


On 3/2/2017 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will 
keep it running for a year.
If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra 
cash to: pa...@pdmnet.net 

*From:* Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

What paypal account do you want filled with money?
*From:* Paul McCall
*Sent:* Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISP non-business related discussions


My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support 
Chuck and support the valued members that found the list a great 
resource. PDMNet wanted to give back to the WISP community.


Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies 
slightly by traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium 
priority support.  I could cut out the support probably because we 
haven’t needed it now for at least 6 months.  At the time, there was a 
LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to fully integrate properly with AWS.  
They are very particular to how email flows, their API etc.  We had 
this discussion early on, and I believe we made the right decision.  
After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server based delivery 
issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  We 
wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.


I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political 
season came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I 
absolutely LOVE hear about Travis other business efforts, or stocks 
people are investing or anything like that.  That’s what USED TO BE 
labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter that. I love hearing what 
this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT subjects.   On the 
flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets spewed (JMO) 
over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the president AT 
ALL. You want to continue to trash him ALL the time. We get it.  We 
truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change 
anybody’s mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  
Move on.  PLEASE.  JMO


As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less 
technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.
While it does take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its 
title, it seems to creep into many other “normal threads” also.  The 
last 6 months, good contributing members have become distant or gone 
completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort through the 
muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  It’s 
mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go 
away.  I chose to say something.


Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header 
like PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something 
similar and then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.


Paul

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
*Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
*To:* Animal Farm 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions


I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there 
were others too …


Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you 
already have the infrastructure (which I do)


Paul

On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to
drive anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in
something to avoid draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty
of us. Couldn't be more than $100/month each.

bp

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:

I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have
been utter garbage for sure.

What's the monthly cost of the list? I think those of us that have
benefited from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this
with the list directly, so here goes.

/Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I
get one or two people a week tell me they no longer look at
the list because of all the BS, politics, etc.  I also don’t
use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because of that. /

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Sterling Jacobson]

I sent $50.

It’s not much, but I hope it helps.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 4:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.

If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash to: 
  pa...@pdmnet.net



From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

What paypal account do you want filled with money?

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less technical 
questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does take just 
a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep into many 
other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing members have 
become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort 
through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go away.  I 
chose to say something.

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.

Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
To: Animal Farm >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do)

Paul



On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:

I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive anyway, 
but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid draining 
Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than $100/month 
each.

bp

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
garbage for sure.

What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have benefited 
from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the list 
directly, so here goes.

Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or two 

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Chuck McCown]

OK folks, let’s crowd fund the list a bit.  Just a few C notes will keep it 
running for a year.  

If you care to help out, PayPal your dirty socks, used tires and extra cash to: 
  pa...@pdmnet.net



From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

What paypal account do you want filled with money?

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

 

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.  

 

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

 

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less technical 
questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does take just 
a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep into many 
other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing members have 
become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort 
through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go away.  I 
chose to say something.

 

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

 

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

 

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do) 

 

Paul

 

 

 

  On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

   

  I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive 
anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid 
draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than 
$100/month each.

   

  bp

   

  On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

   

  I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
garbage for sure.

   

  What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have benefited 
from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.




   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the 
list directly, so here goes.

 

Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or two 
people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the BS, 
politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because of 
that.  

 

While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS is 
very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point of 

Re: [AFMUG] [Ubnt_users] Odd Nanobridge problem

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

so a few updates on this since the other jay first posted it - 

* we've seen this before, sometimes with ubnt gear.  i guess the proper thing 
to do is wireshark the connection but since the towers are many miles away and 
it was cold and raining, we just started stumbling through troubleshooting 
steps late last night

* at times a ubnt radio (haven't seen it with any other radio) will "flood" the 
network causing lost packets - i assume due to too much traffic or some other 
cause.  there is one nanobridge feeding two sites that are within 8 degrees of 
each other (one 9 miles, one 12 miles).  each site started with only 900 mhz 
canopy (three sectors a piece per site).  we have added one 2.4 ubnt omni 
within the last year to one of the sites.
we added 2.4 epmp with a 120 sector to the other site within the last year.

* as stated last night, we could disable either site "a" or site "b" and have 
no packet loss.  we could not run them both without packet loss.
when going to bed, we left the busiest site up (with the most business 
customers) and the smaller site was offline.  these are pretty busy sites, 
probably 70 customers between both towers.  the split was probably 40 on one 
tower and 30 on the other.  again, 3 meg service (mostly)
so although they'd fed by ONE nanobridge (feeding two nanobridges at each 
tower), it was in line to move to ac gear.

*  the theory was we were going to have to replace the ac radio that is on the 
feeding tower (the master side).  In hind sight, I think doing that would not 
have resolved the problem.

*  they are on similar subnets  (this segment is bridged, not routed)

*  when i got back on this today i disabled the 2.4 omni on site (b) and left 
sites a and b connected.  there was no packet loss.
this led me to believe the problem lived on the 2.4 omni on site (b).

*  there are 11 customers on site b's omni.  I began changing each customers 
ssid to "testsite" and dropped them off one by one until i identified the 
problem customer.  i then changed all the other customers to "testsite" and 
moved the main omni ssid to testsite, leaving the problem customer offline.  

no more packet loss.

This did start after a line of storms moved through yesterday.  I assume she 
took a close strike but the radio did not die.



  - Original Message - 
  From: Jay Weekley 
  To: Ubiquiti Users Group ; af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 8:22 AM
  Subject: [Ubnt_users] Odd Nanobridge problem


  We have a 5.7 Nanobridge acting as an AP that serves two tower sites 
  that are close together.  After a storm yesterday we started getting a 
  lot of packet loss when pinging the AP.   We can disconnect either of 
  the SMs and the remaining tower works fine and there is no packet loss 
  to the AP but when we turn both sites back on the packet loss returns.  
  There is also a Netonix switch at the tower that has the 5.7 Nanobridge 
  acting as the AP and it's cable diagnostics tool shows a problem on pins 
  5, 6, 7 and 8 though the AP is powered up. Both these sites are slated 
  for upgrades to Ubiquiti AC gear but the logistics will make it 
  difficult this week.
  ___
  Ubnt_users mailing list
  ubnt_us...@wispa.org
  http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users

Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE-POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

[Chuck McCown]

I blush.

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 2:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT 
POE-POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

The good ol GigE-POE-APC. One of the greatest things Chuck ever came up with. 
And BTW, I just got some of the new ones in with the jacks flipped over so the 
rj45 tab faces away from the PCB. So much easier. Nicely done, Chuck!


On 3/2/2017 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  OK, so if you put + on the left pin and � on the right pin, then jumpers 
for 1/2 and 4/5 need to be on the left and center pins and the jumpers for 3/6 
and 7/8 need to be center and right pins.� 
  �
  From: Dan Petermann 
  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 11:53 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT 
POE-POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR
  �
  Sorry, here is the pinouts with polarity 
  �
  Pin 1 +
  Pin 2 +
  Pin 3 -
  Pin 4 +
  Pin 5 +
  Pin 6 -
  Pin 7 -
  Pin 8 -
  �
  On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


On all 8 pins?� If so, then you slide all the jumpers one way and only 
hook up +48 to the POE inserter.� Is the �48 via chassis ground?
�
From: Dan Petermann 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 11:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE 
-POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR
�
Excellent! The polarity is +48vdc. 
�
�
On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  I would say yes, but that document does not indicate the DC power 
polarity of the pairs.� So yes, provided the jumpers on the POE are set 
right.� 
  �
  Can anyone in Exalt tech support give you the polarity info?
  �
  From: Dan Petermann 
  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 10:55 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE - 
POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR
  �
  Chuck,

  do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt 
ExtremeAir radio?

  We are being told that the DC power supplies won�t be available until 
June. 
  �
  �

--

  �

--
  Chuck,

  do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt 
ExtremeAir radio?

  We are being told that the DC power supplies won�t be available until 
June. 


�
  �

Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE-POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

[George Skorup]

The good ol GigE-POE-APC. One of the greatest things Chuck ever came up 
with. And BTW, I just got some of the new ones in with the jacks flipped 
over so the rj45 tab faces away from the PCB. So much easier. Nicely 
done, Chuck!


On 3/2/2017 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
OK, so if you put + on the left pin and � on the right pin, then 
jumpers for 1/2 and 4/5 need to be on the left and center pins and the 
jumpers for 3/6 and 7/8 need to be center and right pins.

*From:* Dan Petermann
*Sent:* Thursday, March 02, 2017 11:53 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT 
POE-POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

Sorry, here is the pinouts with polarity
Pin 1 +
Pin 2 +
Pin 3 -
Pin 4 +
Pin 5 +
Pin 6 -
Pin 7 -
Pin 8 -
On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

On all 8 pins?  If so, then you slide all the jumpers one way and 
only hook up +48 to the POE inserter.  Is the �48 via chassis ground?

*From:* Dan Petermann
*Sent:* Thursday, March 02, 2017 11:30 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE 
-POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

Excellent! The polarity is +48vdc.
On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I would say yes, but that document does not indicate the DC power 
polarity of the pairs. So yes, provided the jumpers on the POE are 
set right.

Can anyone in Exalt tech support give you the polarity info?
*From:* Dan Petermann
*Sent:* Thursday, March 02, 2017 10:55 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE - 
POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

Chuck,

do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt 
ExtremeAir radio?


We are being told that the DC power supplies won�t be available 
until June.



Chuck,

do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt 
ExtremeAir radio?


We are being told that the DC power supplies won�t be available 
until June.

Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE-POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

[Chuck McCown]

OK, so if you put + on the left pin and – on the right pin, then jumpers for 
1/2 and 4/5 need to be on the left and center pins and the jumpers for 3/6 and 
7/8 need to be center and right pins.  

From: Dan Petermann 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 11:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT 
POE-POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

Sorry, here is the pinouts with polarity 

Pin 1 +
Pin 2 +
Pin 3 -
Pin 4 +
Pin 5 +
Pin 6 -
Pin 7 -
Pin 8 -

On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  On all 8 pins?  If so, then you slide all the jumpers one way and only hook 
up +48 to the POE inserter.  Is the –48 via chassis ground?

  From: Dan Petermann 
  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 11:30 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE 
-POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

  Excellent! The polarity is +48vdc. 


  On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


I would say yes, but that document does not indicate the DC power polarity 
of the pairs.  So yes, provided the jumpers on the POE are set right.  

Can anyone in Exalt tech support give you the polarity info?

From: Dan Petermann 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE - 
POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

Chuck,

do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt 
ExtremeAir radio?

We are being told that the DC power supplies won’t be available until June. 








Chuck,

do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt 
ExtremeAir radio?

We are being told that the DC power supplies won’t be available until June. 

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Google webpass ROE agreement

[Sean Heskett]

thanks Gino!


On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Old one
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Sean Heskett  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 1:52 PM
> To: Alan Belvo , "af@afmug.com" , "
> memb...@wispa.org" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Google webpass ROE agreement
>
> Does anyone have a copy of the webpass ROE (right of entry) that the HOA
> signs?  Their web site says you can download it but there's no link.
> https://webpass.net/faq/residential/23
>
> Does anyone have a similar doc they'd like to share for the roof rights
> and access for MDU projects?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sean
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
> ___
> Members mailing list
> memb...@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google webpass ROE agreement

[Gino Villarini]

Old one

From: Af > on behalf of Sean 
Heskett >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 1:52 PM
To: Alan Belvo >, 
"af@afmug.com" >, 
"memb...@wispa.org" 
>
Subject: [AFMUG] Google webpass ROE agreement

Does anyone have a copy of the webpass ROE (right of entry) that the HOA signs? 
 Their web site says you can download it but there's no link.
https://webpass.net/faq/residential/23

Does anyone have a similar doc they'd like to share for the roof rights and 
access for MDU projects?

Thanks,

Sean





Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]


roe webpass.pdf
Description: roe webpass.pdf

Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE -POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

[Dan Petermann]

Sorry, here is the pinouts with polarity

Pin 1 +
Pin 2 +
Pin 3 -
Pin 4 +
Pin 5 +
Pin 6 -
Pin 7 -
Pin 8 -

On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> On all 8 pins?  If so, then you slide all the jumpers one way and only hook 
> up +48 to the POE inserter.  Is the –48 via chassis ground?
>  
> From: Dan Petermann
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 11:30 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE 
> -POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR
>  
> Excellent! The polarity is +48vdc.
>  
>  
> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
>> I would say yes, but that document does not indicate the DC power polarity 
>> of the pairs.  So yes, provided the jumpers on the POE are set right. 
>>  
>> Can anyone in Exalt tech support give you the polarity info?
>>  
>> From: Dan Petermann
>> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 10:55 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE - 
>> POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR
>>  
>> Chuck,
>> 
>> do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt ExtremeAir 
>> radio?
>> 
>> We are being told that the DC power supplies won’t be available until June.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Chuck,
>> 
>> do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt ExtremeAir 
>> radio?
>> 
>> We are being told that the DC power supplies won’t be available until June. 
>> 
> 
>  

Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE -POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

[Chuck McCown]

On all 8 pins?  If so, then you slide all the jumpers one way and only hook up 
+48 to the POE inserter.  Is the –48 via chassis ground?

From: Dan Petermann 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 11:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE 
-POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

Excellent! The polarity is +48vdc. 


On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:


  I would say yes, but that document does not indicate the DC power polarity of 
the pairs.  So yes, provided the jumpers on the POE are set right.  

  Can anyone in Exalt tech support give you the polarity info?

  From: Dan Petermann 
  Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 10:55 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE - 
POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

  Chuck,

  do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt ExtremeAir 
radio?

  We are being told that the DC power supplies won’t be available until June. 



--



--
  Chuck,

  do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt ExtremeAir 
radio?

  We are being told that the DC power supplies won’t be available until June. 

Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE - POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

[Dan Petermann]

Excellent! The polarity is +48vdc.


On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I would say yes, but that document does not indicate the DC power polarity of 
> the pairs.  So yes, provided the jumpers on the POE are set right. 
>  
> Can anyone in Exalt tech support give you the polarity info?
>  
> From: Dan Petermann
> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 10:55 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE - 
> POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR
>  
> Chuck,
> 
> do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt ExtremeAir 
> radio?
> 
> We are being told that the DC power supplies won’t be available until June.
>  
> 
> 
> Chuck,
> 
> do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt ExtremeAir 
> radio?
> 
> We are being told that the DC power supplies won’t be available until June. 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

[MVTVWISPA]

It has worked for me and I was directly connected management to radio.
Don't know if that makes a difference?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

I have that, but can't get it to respond or work.

Just says Timed out.

I don't think I changed the SNMP stuff on my radio, but I'll keep trying.

Really does suck.

Don't want to have to take it down and ship it back to them RMA.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of MVTVWISPA
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

Sterling-

I had this and support sent me an scan program that ran by snmp on the unit
assuming you know the read/write name.
You could then set up a new account for a back door login.
I do not remember the name but Ask Support

Greg 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 7:23 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

So I'm pretty sure there is some sort of password bug on the Ceragon units.

I changed my password in the interface and then set the NTP time server and
updated the time, which was like years past what it was currently reading
after reboot.

I also changed the IP address.

I exited and re-entered the interface with the user/password just fine.

Then I "reset" the unit to reboot it.

Now no matter what I do no user/password combo works.

Ceragon tech says I need to RMA it.

I'm pissed.

I have the other unit set similarly, but I am afraid to "reset" or
reboot/power cycle it now.

Any one seen this before?

Re: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE - POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

[Chuck McCown]

I would say yes, but that document does not indicate the DC power polarity of 
the pairs.  So yes, provided the jumpers on the POE are set right.  

Can anyone in Exalt tech support give you the polarity info?

From: Dan Petermann 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE - 
POWERINSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

Chuck,

do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt ExtremeAir 
radio?

We are being told that the DC power supplies won’t be available until June. 








Chuck,

do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt ExtremeAir 
radio?

We are being told that the DC power supplies won’t be available until June. 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

[Sterling Jacobson]

I have that, but can't get it to respond or work.

Just says Timed out.

I don't think I changed the SNMP stuff on my radio, but I'll keep trying.

Really does suck.

Don't want to have to take it down and ship it back to them RMA.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of MVTVWISPA
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

Sterling-

I had this and support sent me an scan program that ran by snmp on the unit 
assuming you know the read/write name.
You could then set up a new account for a back door login.
I do not remember the name but Ask Support

Greg 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 7:23 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

So I'm pretty sure there is some sort of password bug on the Ceragon units.

I changed my password in the interface and then set the NTP time server and 
updated the time, which was like years past what it was currently reading after 
reboot.

I also changed the IP address.

I exited and re-entered the interface with the user/password just fine.

Then I "reset" the unit to reboot it.

Now no matter what I do no user/password combo works.

Ceragon tech says I need to RMA it.

I'm pissed.

I have the other unit set similarly, but I am afraid to "reset" or reboot/power 
cycle it now.

Any one seen this before?

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

[MVTVWISPA]

Sterling-

I had this and support sent me an scan program that ran by snmp on the unit
assuming you know the read/write name.
You could then set up a new account for a back door login.
I do not remember the name but Ask Support

Greg 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2017 7:23 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ceragon IP-20c Password bug?

So I'm pretty sure there is some sort of password bug on the Ceragon units.

I changed my password in the interface and then set the NTP time server and
updated the time, which was like years past what it was currently reading
after reboot.

I also changed the IP address.

I exited and re-entered the interface with the user/password just fine.

Then I "reset" the unit to reboot it.

Now no matter what I do no user/password combo works.

Ceragon tech says I need to RMA it.

I'm pissed.

I have the other unit set similarly, but I am afraid to "reset" or
reboot/power cycle it now.

Any one seen this before?

[AFMUG] Atten: Chuck 800-GIGE-POE-APC RACK MOUNT POE - POWER INSERTER/SURGE PROTECTOR

[Dan Petermann]

Chuck,do you know if the 800-GIGE-POE-APC will work to power up a Exalt ExtremeAir radio?We are being told that the DC power supplies won’t be available until June. 

ExtremeAir power pinout.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document

[AFMUG] Google webpass ROE agreement

[Sean Heskett]

Does anyone have a copy of the webpass ROE (right of entry) that the HOA
signs?  Their web site says you can download it but there's no link.
https://webpass.net/faq/residential/23

Does anyone have a similar doc they'd like to share for the roof rights and
access for MDU projects?

Thanks,

Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Rick Harnish]

+1,000,000,000,000,001

 

Respectfully,

 

--

Rick Harnish

 

Director of WISP Markets

 

  Baicells Technologies North America, Inc.

Mobile:  (972) 922-1443

 

  rick.harn...@baicells.com

  www.facebook.com/baicells

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 12:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

 

Here is a novel concept.  If it’s not 100% wisp related don’t worry about a 
subject header cus it’s not a political list. :-) If you want to join a 
political list go to Facebook or a ton of other places you can comment.   How 
many of you walk into the hardware store and start up discussions about 
politics? Maybe some do.  I know i would feel kinda douchey if I did.   Mailing 
lists, IMHO, as targeted troves of information.  I am a GI Joe collector and I 
subscribe to several lists.  The ones I no longer subscribe to are ones that 
got too off topic.

 

Part of it is the medium.  Look at several of the WISP Facebook groups.  Very 
little off topic conversation because it’s easy to share.  E-mail is a little 
harder just share something. 

 

I agree with Paul.  Take the policies, that are not 100% WISP related, 
somewhere else.  If you don’t, this list will dry up.  Probably another may or 
may not pop up, but it will go through the same cycle. 

 

 

Justin Wilson

j...@mtin.net  

 

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO

xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman

Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

 

On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Paul McCall  > wrote:

 

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

 

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free. 

 

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

 

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less technical 
questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does take just 
a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep into many 
other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing members have 
become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort 
through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go away.  I 
chose to say something.

 

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
To: Animal Farm <  af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

 

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

 

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do) 

 

Paul

 

 

 

On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince <  

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions

[Chuck McCown]

I agree.  The politics on this list, on radio, on TV sucks.  I have switched to 
listening to classical music on the radio because NPR has nothing but the same 
thing all day since last summer.  I do not watch TV news.  You cannot seem to 
be able to get away from it.  So google news is my news source.

However this list is like San Francisco sourdough.  People try to replicate it 
but unless you have the spores in the air, you ain’t  gonna get the flavor.

From: Justin Wilson 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 10:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of 
non-WISPnon-business related discussions

Here is a novel concept.  If it’s not 100% wisp related don’t worry about a 
subject header cus it’s not a political list. :-) If you want to join a 
political list go to Facebook or a ton of other places you can comment.   How 
many of you walk into the hardware store and start up discussions about 
politics? Maybe some do.  I know i would feel kinda douchey if I did.   Mailing 
lists, IMHO, as targeted troves of information.  I am a GI Joe collector and I 
subscribe to several lists.  The ones I no longer subscribe to are ones that 
got too off topic. 

Part of it is the medium.  Look at several of the WISP Facebook groups.  Very 
little off topic conversation because it’s easy to share.  E-mail is a little 
harder just share something. 

I agree with Paul.  Take the policies, that are not 100% WISP related, 
somewhere else.  If you don’t, this list will dry up.  Probably another may or 
may not pop up, but it will go through the same cycle. 



Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth


http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

  On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

  My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.
   
  Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free. 
   
  I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO
   
  As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less 
technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does 
take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep 
into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing 
members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to 
have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or 
FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They 
just go away.  I chose to say something.
   
  Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   
   
  Paul
   
   
   
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
  Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions
   
  I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …
   
  Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do) 
   
  Paul
   
   
   
On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
 
I agree. The 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: ?? Genset

[Robert Andrews]

So this brings up a question on Gensets that I have been meaning to ask 
for a while.   What experiences do people have running these small 
gensets for extended periods of time..   Like 2-4 days non-stop?   Also 
to the person that bought one of the Champion Generators mentioned here, 
does this have a fuel pump?   That is what makes the extended run tank 
work well without having to use gravity feed.


On our experience with running the Honda 1000's for 3-4 days we 
typically do an oil change after each of these runs...  We also are 
starting to see more oil use now after 4-5 runs of this duration.


Thanks!   Robert

On 03/02/2017 06:57 AM, Jeremy wrote:

That exact generator was $599 on Woot! yesterday.  Sold out now, but
deals like that show up every day.  If you don't use Woot! I highly
recommend their daily emails.  Best SPAM that I get

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Travis Johnson > wrote:

Hi,

I purchased one of these for my camping trailer last year. Even has
a key fob for remote starting. :)


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JZQUSAC/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8=1



Very quiet (not as quiet as a Honda, but almost).

Travis



On 3/2/2017 7:13 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I am now confused on WTF I am supposed to put as a subject line
for quasi related topics.

I just bought a fifth wheel to live in until my house is
finished. I plan on taking a couple trips with it and the guy
recommended a Honda EU1000. Honda makes great and very quite
gensets but he mentioned it will only run the AC and maybe some
lights and I would have to get 2 and "hook them together" to run
the whole thing.

It has a 30 Amp plug but I forgot to look what voltage it is so
I can't calculate the max wattage I would need.

This sounds suspect. Is there some reason why I just wouldn't by
a larger Honda EU? Does someone have a better recommendation? I
hate to get a gas genset when the trailer runs on propane and
the truck runs on diesel.

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Justin Wilson]

Here is a novel concept.  If it’s not 100% wisp related don’t worry about a 
subject header cus it’s not a political list. :-) If you want to join a 
political list go to Facebook or a ton of other places you can comment.   How 
many of you walk into the hardware store and start up discussions about 
politics? Maybe some do.  I know i would feel kinda douchey if I did.   Mailing 
lists, IMHO, as targeted troves of information.  I am a GI Joe collector and I 
subscribe to several lists.  The ones I no longer subscribe to are ones that 
got too off topic.

Part of it is the medium.  Look at several of the WISP Facebook groups.  Very 
little off topic conversation because it’s easy to share.  E-mail is a little 
harder just share something. 

I agree with Paul.  Take the policies, that are not 100% WISP related, 
somewhere else.  If you don’t, this list will dry up.  Probably another may or 
may not pop up, but it will go through the same cycle. 


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
> 
> My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
> support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet 
> wanted to give back to the WISP community.
>  
> Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
> traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
> could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
> least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
> fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
> flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
> the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
> based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama. 
>  We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
> maintenance free. 
>  
> I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
> came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
> about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or 
> anything like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to 
> filter that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a 
> multitude of OT subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute 
> garbage that gets spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You 
> don’t like the president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the 
> time.  We get it.  We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You 
> won’t change anybody’s mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  
> Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  JMO
>  
> As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less 
> technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it 
> does take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to 
> creep into many other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good 
> contributing members have become distant or gone completely.  Some people do 
> not want to have to sort through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never 
> watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t 
> complain.  They just go away.  I chose to say something.
>  
> Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
> PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
> then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   
>  
> Paul
>  
>  
>   <>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Paul Stewart
> Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
> To: Animal Farm >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
> related discussions
>  
> I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
> others too …
>  
> Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
> the infrastructure (which I do) 
>  
> Paul
>  
>  
>  
> On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  > wrote:
>  
> I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive 
> anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid 
> draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than 
> $100/month each.
>  
> bp
>  
> 
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
> > wrote:
>  
> 
> I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
> garbage for sure.
>  
> What's 

Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Chuck McCown]

What paypal account do you want filled with money?

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 9:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP 
non-business related discussions

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

 

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.  

 

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

 

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less technical 
questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does take just 
a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep into many 
other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing members have 
become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort 
through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go away.  I 
chose to say something.

 

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.   

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

 

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

 

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do) 

 

Paul

 

 

 

  On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

   

  I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive 
anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid 
draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than 
$100/month each.

   

  bp

   

  On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

   

  I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
garbage for sure.

   

  What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have benefited 
from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.




   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the 
list directly, so here goes.

 

Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or two 
people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the BS, 
politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because of 
that.  

 

While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS is 
very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point of my 
comment.

 

People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on 
important technology and business needs, IMO.  

 

It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.

 

Paul

 

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800  

[AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Paul McCall]

My comment truly was NOT about cost.  I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and 
support the valued members that found the list a great resource.  PDMNet wanted 
to give back to the WISP community.

Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by 
traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support.  I 
could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at 
least 6 months.  At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to 
fully integrate properly with AWS.  They are very particular to how email 
flows, their API etc.  We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made 
the right decision.  After the lng setup, we haven’t deal with a server 
based delivery issue in over a year.  No getting blacklisted, no other drama.  
We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free.  I love 
maintenance free.

I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season 
came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others).  I absolutely LOVE hear 
about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything 
like that.  That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter 
that.  I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT 
subjects.   On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets 
spewed (JMO) over and over…  and over.  We get it.  You don’t like the 
president AT ALL.  You want to continue to trash him ALL the time.  We get it.  
We truly do.  You have fully expressed yourself.  You won’t change anybody’s 
mind who does hatse the president or his policies.  Ever.  Move on.  PLEASE.  
JMO

As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less technical 
questions get asked and the group has a social feel.While it does take just 
a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep into many 
other “normal threads” also.  The last 6 months, good contributing members have 
become distant or gone completely.  Some people do not want to have to sort 
through the muck.  Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV.  
It’s mostly garbage.Sometimes people don’t complain.  They just go away.  I 
chose to say something.

Chuck wants the list to be self-policing.  Create a new subject header like 
PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and 
then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it.

Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business 
related discussions

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do)

Paul



On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:

I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive anyway, 
but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid draining 
Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than $100/month 
each.

bp

On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
garbage for sure.

What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have benefited 
from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the list 
directly, so here goes.

Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or two 
people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the BS, 
politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because of 
that.

While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS is 
very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point of my 
comment.

People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on important 
technology and business needs, IMO.

It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.

Paul


Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo...

[Chuck McCown]

I remember when Michael fought a battle with ISPCON vs WISPCON in this country. 
 Do not recall the outcome.  I think he was allowed to keep using WISPCON.  

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 8:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo...

LOL!

 

It’s a compliment, right?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo...

 

Or just hijacks your whole online presence.

https://www.facebook.com/WISPAP/



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 9:05:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo...

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1577608362489927=br_rs

   

  Gino Villarini
 
  President
 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
 



 

Re: [AFMUG] OT this list

[Chuck McCown]

OK, yes, Macho Man Randy Savage and the lovely Linda.  

Been a long time since I was a regular viewer.  

-Original Message- 
From: Jerry Head 
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 8:02 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT this list 


One of these does not fit.Randy SAVAGE maybe?


On 3/1/2017 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Hulk Hogan, Randy Travis and Andre the Giant

Re: [AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo...

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Be flattered that someone thinks your name and logo are worth copying. 

There is not much you can do about the folks in India. 

However, if your Name and Logo have copyrights or registered trademark, you 
should be able to get Facebook to get these folks to remove the Logo and 
name. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Gino Villarini" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 10:05:20 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo...

> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1577608362489927=br_rs

> Gino Villarini
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Cat-3

[Faisal Imtiaz]

or  

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2053587.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.Xoutdoor+telephone+wire.TRS0&_nkw=outdoor+telephone+wire&_sacat=0

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Matt" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 10:22:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Cat-3

>> Any reason why you would not want to use outdoor Cat-5 cable for this ?
> 
> It does not fit in RJ-11 connectors very well.
> 
>>> Looking for some outdoor UV resistant cat-3 cable, two pair, for
> >> making canopy timing cables.  Anyone know of a good source?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Youtube Data Storage

[Justin Wilson]

https://ir.netflix.com/events.cfm 

financials are there.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Mar 2, 2017, at 10:43 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> $12B per year?
> $12B per month is staggering.
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Josh Reynolds" >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: 3/1/2017 12:44:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Youtube Data Storage
> 
>> Haven't fact check it, but I heard today Netflix is pulling in something 
>> like $12 Billion a month now.
>> 
>> On Mar 1, 2017 11:39 AM, "Robert Andrews" > > wrote:
>> At the peak downloads of Netscape browser back in '97 we were _netting_ a 
>> million per day.   That was back in 1997.   yeah, I could pretty much spend 
>> anything I wanted to keep the downloads going.   We foresaw a bump in 
>> downloads coming for the 2.0 browser and I went out and picked up $200K in 
>> SGI processors off their loading dock overnight with a credit card purchase 
>> (Amex Black for the win)...We were very small fry compared to what's 
>> going on now.   Probably multiply those numbers by 10K or even 100K for 
>> today.
>> 
>> On 03/01/2017 09:08 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>> I was reading an article the other day that referenced that youtube
>> users upload 400 hours of video every minute, or 65 years of video every
>> day.  Is my math right in showing that at an average of 2.5mb/s for the
>> video size, that's 600 TB of data per day being uploaded?  Given
>> redundant copies being made, Youtube is bringing online over a Petabyte
>> per day of storage.
>> 
>> Since I've only been involved with Small businesses, wrapping my head
>> around this amount of storage and $$$ is hard.
>> 
>> Realizing that Google is custom, I'll use Backblaze for some math.
>> Backblaze will do 45 drives in 4U@600w power draw  47U rack height = 11
>> 4U boxes = 495HD /rack  If they're 8tb drives, that's 4PB/rack. If
>> Google is paying 1/2 retail cost for drives, that's $175/drive, or $90k
>> per rack (+ Hardware)  6.6kw power draw (+ Cooling).
>> 
>> So every 4 Days, they spend $100k in Hardware, and increases their
>> electric bill by 8kw?
>> 
>> I guess when you're dealing with Billions of Dollars, a $100k every
>> couple days' isn't such a big deal.

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Cat-3

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Ahh.. ok.. so you are looking for 

Outdoor/Burial Telephone Wire..

e.g. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100-RJ11-RJ11-CAT-5E-OUTDOOR-VOICE-PHONE-DSL-MODEM-CORD-TELEPHONE-CABLE-WIRE-UV-/191085794009?hash=item2c7d99d2d9:g:C5QAAOxyPepRlOmw


Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Matt" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 10:22:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Cat-3

>> Any reason why you would not want to use outdoor Cat-5 cable for this ?
> 
> It does not fit in RJ-11 connectors very well.
> 
>>> Looking for some outdoor UV resistant cat-3 cable, two pair, for
> >> making canopy timing cables.  Anyone know of a good source?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Youtube Data Storage

[Adam Moffett]

$12B per year?
$12B per month is staggering.

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 3/1/2017 12:44:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Youtube Data Storage

Haven't fact check it, but I heard today Netflix is pulling in 
something like $12 Billion a month now.


On Mar 1, 2017 11:39 AM, "Robert Andrews"  
wrote:
At the peak downloads of Netscape browser back in '97 we were 
_netting_ a million per day.   That was back in 1997.   yeah, I could 
pretty much spend anything I wanted to keep the downloads going.   We 
foresaw a bump in downloads coming for the 2.0 browser and I went out 
and picked up $200K in SGI processors off their loading dock overnight 
with a credit card purchase (Amex Black for the win)...We were 
very small fry compared to what's going on now.   Probably multiply 
those numbers by 10K or even 100K for today.


On 03/01/2017 09:08 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

I was reading an article the other day that referenced that youtube
users upload 400 hours of video every minute, or 65 years of video 
every
day.  Is my math right in showing that at an average of 2.5mb/s for 
the

video size, that's 600 TB of data per day being uploaded?  Given
redundant copies being made, Youtube is bringing online over a 
Petabyte

per day of storage.

Since I've only been involved with Small businesses, wrapping my head
around this amount of storage and $$$ is hard.

Realizing that Google is custom, I'll use Backblaze for some math.
Backblaze will do 45 drives in 4U@600w power draw  47U rack height = 
11

4U boxes = 495HD /rack  If they're 8tb drives, that's 4PB/rack. If
Google is paying 1/2 retail cost for drives, that's $175/drive, or 
$90k

per rack (+ Hardware)  6.6kw power draw (+ Cooling).

So every 4 Days, they spend $100k in Hardware, and increases their
electric bill by 8kw?

I guess when you're dealing with Billions of Dollars, a $100k every
couple days' isn't such a big deal.

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Cat-3

[Jay Weekley]

It's been a while since I made one.  Which pins are for timing?

Matt wrote:

Any reason why you would not want to use outdoor Cat-5 cable for this ?

It does not fit in RJ-11 connectors very well.


Looking for some outdoor UV resistant cat-3 cable, two pair, for
making canopy timing cables.  Anyone know of a good source?


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo...

[Adam Moffett]

Wow.

I'm sorry, but my first reaction was to laugh.


-- Original Message --
From: "Gino Villarini" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 3/2/2017 10:05:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your 
logo...



https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1577608362489927=br_rs



Gino Villarini

PresidentMetro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo...

[Sterling Jacobson]

LOL!

It’s a compliment, right?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 8:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo...

Or just hijacks your whole online presence.

https://www.facebook.com/WISPAP/


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To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 9:05:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo...
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1577608362489927=br_rs



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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 two aps pointing at the same location.

[Josh Luthman]

50 MHz guard band, that's what I was after :)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> I have them at 10MHz channel width.  One is at 2412 and one is at 2462.  I
> usually always do them like that unless there is localized interference on
> one of those channels.
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Jeremy, how much of a guard band was used on this?  20 MHz? 40 MHz?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>>> I have done this with Ubiquiti on 10Mhz channels without issue.  We also
>>> have a site with them back to back on 20MHz channels at both ends without
>>> issue.  They have 4-5' of horizontal separation shooting the same direction
>>> and 2-3' back to back.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 So we have a site where all of the customers are south of the tower and
 we have a 2.4 120 degree KP Performance antenna and ePMP AP pointing at
 those customers. We have put a lot of SMs onto the AP and before it gets to
 congested we wanted to add an additional AP. It turns out most of the
 customers are covered by a 90 degree sector so we put up a second 90 degree
 sector( again KP )  on 2.4. I think where we screwed up is we installed
 this new sector with 3 feet of horizontal separating from the other sector
 and no vertical separation. ( they are side by side pointed in the same
 direction)



 When we fired it up the SMs on the other AP started to re reg.  I have
 placed one of the APs at the top of the band on 20 mhz and the other on the
 bottom on 20 mhz. Its better but they still drop and register over and 
 over.





 So my question is. Has anyone put two 2.4 sectors on the same tower
 pointing the same direction successfully? How much vertical separation did
 you use? I am assuming vertical is going to be better than what I did.



 How much of a guard band did you use?



 The 120 degree sector is older so it doesn’t have the same shielding on
 top and bottom as the newer 90 degree KP sector. Just FYI.



 Thanks,

 Brandon









>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Cat-3

[Matt]

> Any reason why you would not want to use outdoor Cat-5 cable for this ?

It does not fit in RJ-11 connectors very well.

>> Looking for some outdoor UV resistant cat-3 cable, two pair, for
>> making canopy timing cables.  Anyone know of a good source?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo...

[Jaime Solorza]

Wow...

On Mar 2, 2017 8:05 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1577608362489927=br_rs
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 two aps pointing at the same location.

[Jeremy]

I have them at 10MHz channel width.  One is at 2412 and one is at 2462.  I
usually always do them like that unless there is localized interference on
one of those channels.

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 8:09 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Jeremy, how much of a guard band was used on this?  20 MHz? 40 MHz?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> I have done this with Ubiquiti on 10Mhz channels without issue.  We also
>> have a site with them back to back on 20MHz channels at both ends without
>> issue.  They have 4-5' of horizontal separation shooting the same direction
>> and 2-3' back to back.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So we have a site where all of the customers are south of the tower and
>>> we have a 2.4 120 degree KP Performance antenna and ePMP AP pointing at
>>> those customers. We have put a lot of SMs onto the AP and before it gets to
>>> congested we wanted to add an additional AP. It turns out most of the
>>> customers are covered by a 90 degree sector so we put up a second 90 degree
>>> sector( again KP )  on 2.4. I think where we screwed up is we installed
>>> this new sector with 3 feet of horizontal separating from the other sector
>>> and no vertical separation. ( they are side by side pointed in the same
>>> direction)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> When we fired it up the SMs on the other AP started to re reg.  I have
>>> placed one of the APs at the top of the band on 20 mhz and the other on the
>>> bottom on 20 mhz. Its better but they still drop and register over and over.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So my question is. Has anyone put two 2.4 sectors on the same tower
>>> pointing the same direction successfully? How much vertical separation did
>>> you use? I am assuming vertical is going to be better than what I did.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How much of a guard band did you use?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The 120 degree sector is older so it doesn’t have the same shielding on
>>> top and bottom as the newer 90 degree KP sector. Just FYI.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Brandon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Cat-3

[Jaime Solorza]

Shireen

On Mar 2, 2017 7:51 AM, "Matt"  wrote:

> Looking for some outdoor UV resistant cat-3 cable, two pair, for
> making canopy timing cables.  Anyone know of a good source?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo...

[Jeremy]

Are US copyright laws not enforceable in India?  You own the copyright,
no?  Can you file suit in Indian courts?

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 8:06 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Or just hijacks your whole online presence.
>
> https://www.facebook.com/WISPAP/
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Gino Villarini" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 2, 2017 9:05:20 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your
> logo...
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1577608362489927=br_rs
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
>

[AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo...

[Gino Villarini]

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1577608362489927=br_rs



Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4 two aps pointing at the same location.

[Josh Luthman]

Jeremy, how much of a guard band was used on this?  20 MHz? 40 MHz?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> I have done this with Ubiquiti on 10Mhz channels without issue.  We also
> have a site with them back to back on 20MHz channels at both ends without
> issue.  They have 4-5' of horizontal separation shooting the same direction
> and 2-3' back to back.
>
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 6:37 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
>
>> So we have a site where all of the customers are south of the tower and
>> we have a 2.4 120 degree KP Performance antenna and ePMP AP pointing at
>> those customers. We have put a lot of SMs onto the AP and before it gets to
>> congested we wanted to add an additional AP. It turns out most of the
>> customers are covered by a 90 degree sector so we put up a second 90 degree
>> sector( again KP )  on 2.4. I think where we screwed up is we installed
>> this new sector with 3 feet of horizontal separating from the other sector
>> and no vertical separation. ( they are side by side pointed in the same
>> direction)
>>
>>
>>
>> When we fired it up the SMs on the other AP started to re reg.  I have
>> placed one of the APs at the top of the band on 20 mhz and the other on the
>> bottom on 20 mhz. Its better but they still drop and register over and over.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> So my question is. Has anyone put two 2.4 sectors on the same tower
>> pointing the same direction successfully? How much vertical separation did
>> you use? I am assuming vertical is going to be better than what I did.
>>
>>
>>
>> How much of a guard band did you use?
>>
>>
>>
>> The 120 degree sector is older so it doesn’t have the same shielding on
>> top and bottom as the newer 90 degree KP sector. Just FYI.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brandon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo...

[Mike Hammett]

Or just hijacks your whole online presence. 

https://www.facebook.com/WISPAP/ 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




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From: "Gino Villarini"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 9:05:20 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: so what to do when a isp in India is using your logo... 


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Gino Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Re: [AFMUG] OT this list

[Jerry Head]

One of these does not fit.Randy SAVAGE maybe?


On 3/1/2017 10:10 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Hulk Hogan, Randy Travis and Andre the Giant

Re: [AFMUG] PTP600 cacti

[Eric Muehleisen]

Thank you sir!

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:29 AM, Steve Utick  wrote:

> I don't know for sure if the MIB's are the same as the PTP500 radios, but
> you can give my PTP500 template a try:
> http://www.north-hill.net/files/cacti-ptp500.zip
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 5:23 AM, Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have Cacti templates they could share for a Cambium PTP600?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: ?? Genset

[Jeremy]

http://tools.woot.com/offers/wen-56310i-generator-with-built-in-wheels?ref=eml_so_to_tg_img_source=Daily+Digest_campaign=7e876d320d-Daily+Digest+-+20170301+-+Sellout.Woot_medium=email_term=0_c5ca76da11-7e876d320d-314494349#tracked

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> That exact generator was $599 on Woot! yesterday.  Sold out now, but deals
> like that show up every day.  If you don't use Woot! I highly recommend
> their daily emails.  Best SPAM that I get
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I purchased one of these for my camping trailer last year. Even has a key
>> fob for remote starting. :)
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JZQUSAC/ref=oh_aui_sear
>> ch_detailpage?ie=UTF8=1
>>
>> Very quiet (not as quiet as a Honda, but almost).
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/2/2017 7:13 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>>> I am now confused on WTF I am supposed to put as a subject line for
>>> quasi related topics.
>>>
>>> I just bought a fifth wheel to live in until my house is finished. I
>>> plan on taking a couple trips with it and the guy recommended a Honda
>>> EU1000. Honda makes great and very quite gensets but he mentioned it will
>>> only run the AC and maybe some lights and I would have to get 2 and "hook
>>> them together" to run the whole thing.
>>>
>>> It has a 30 Amp plug but I forgot to look what voltage it is so I can't
>>> calculate the max wattage I would need.
>>>
>>> This sounds suspect. Is there some reason why I just wouldn't by a
>>> larger Honda EU? Does someone have a better recommendation? I hate to get a
>>> gas genset when the trailer runs on propane and the truck runs on diesel.
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: ?? Genset

[Jeremy]

That exact generator was $599 on Woot! yesterday.  Sold out now, but deals
like that show up every day.  If you don't use Woot! I highly recommend
their daily emails.  Best SPAM that I get

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 7:36 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I purchased one of these for my camping trailer last year. Even has a key
> fob for remote starting. :)
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JZQUSAC/ref=oh_aui_sear
> ch_detailpage?ie=UTF8=1
>
> Very quiet (not as quiet as a Honda, but almost).
>
> Travis
>
>
>
> On 3/2/2017 7:13 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
>> I am now confused on WTF I am supposed to put as a subject line for quasi
>> related topics.
>>
>> I just bought a fifth wheel to live in until my house is finished. I plan
>> on taking a couple trips with it and the guy recommended a Honda EU1000.
>> Honda makes great and very quite gensets but he mentioned it will only run
>> the AC and maybe some lights and I would have to get 2 and "hook them
>> together" to run the whole thing.
>>
>> It has a 30 Amp plug but I forgot to look what voltage it is so I can't
>> calculate the max wattage I would need.
>>
>> This sounds suspect. Is there some reason why I just wouldn't by a larger
>> Honda EU? Does someone have a better recommendation? I hate to get a gas
>> genset when the trailer runs on propane and the truck runs on diesel.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor Cat-3

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Any reason why you would not want to use outdoor Cat-5 cable for this ? 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Matt" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 9:51:31 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor Cat-3

> Looking for some outdoor UV resistant cat-3 cable, two pair, for
> making canopy timing cables.  Anyone know of a good source?

[AFMUG] Outdoor Cat-3

[Matt]

Looking for some outdoor UV resistant cat-3 cable, two pair, for
making canopy timing cables.  Anyone know of a good source?

Re: [AFMUG] Odd Nanobridge problem

[Jay Weekley]

That was one of my ideas but I imagine either side would pull more than 
10Mbps on it's own.


Timothy Steele wrote:


Sounds like ether you got water in the cable during the storm or ESD 
hit the Ethernet port and you only are seeing errors due to packet 
loss will only show up if you try and pass more then 10Mbps



On Thu, Mar 2, 2017, 9:22 AM Jay Weekley > wrote:


We have a 5.7 Nanobridge acting as an AP that serves two tower sites
that are close together.  After a storm yesterday we started getting a
lot of packet loss when pinging the AP.   We can disconnect either of
the SMs and the remaining tower works fine and there is no packet loss
to the AP but when we turn both sites back on the packet loss returns.
There is also a Netonix switch at the tower that has the 5.7
Nanobridge
acting as the AP and it's cable diagnostics tool shows a problem
on pins
5, 6, 7 and 8 though the AP is powered up. Both these sites are slated
for upgrades to Ubiquiti AC gear but the logistics will make it
difficult this week.

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Re: [AFMUG] Odd Nanobridge problem

[Timothy Steele]

Sounds like ether you got water in the cable during the storm or ESD hit
the Ethernet port and you only are seeing errors due to packet loss will
only show up if you try and pass more then 10Mbps

On Thu, Mar 2, 2017, 9:22 AM Jay Weekley  wrote:

> We have a 5.7 Nanobridge acting as an AP that serves two tower sites
> that are close together.  After a storm yesterday we started getting a
> lot of packet loss when pinging the AP.   We can disconnect either of
> the SMs and the remaining tower works fine and there is no packet loss
> to the AP but when we turn both sites back on the packet loss returns.
> There is also a Netonix switch at the tower that has the 5.7 Nanobridge
> acting as the AP and it's cable diagnostics tool shows a problem on pins
> 5, 6, 7 and 8 though the AP is powered up. Both these sites are slated
> for upgrades to Ubiquiti AC gear but the logistics will make it
> difficult this week.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: ?? Genset

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

I purchased one of these for my camping trailer last year. Even has a 
key fob for remote starting. :)


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JZQUSAC/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8=1

Very quiet (not as quiet as a Honda, but almost).

Travis


On 3/2/2017 7:13 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
I am now confused on WTF I am supposed to put as a subject line for 
quasi related topics.


I just bought a fifth wheel to live in until my house is finished. I 
plan on taking a couple trips with it and the guy recommended a Honda 
EU1000. Honda makes great and very quite gensets but he mentioned it 
will only run the AC and maybe some lights and I would have to get 2 
and "hook them together" to run the whole thing.


It has a 30 Amp plug but I forgot to look what voltage it is so I 
can't calculate the max wattage I would need.


This sounds suspect. Is there some reason why I just wouldn't by a 
larger Honda EU? Does someone have a better recommendation? I hate to 
get a gas genset when the trailer runs on propane and the truck runs 
on diesel.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: ?? Genset

[Robert]

Get the EU2000 it's not much more than the 1000.  IF you want to run it 
for longer than 3 hours get an extended run tank.


On 3/2/17 6:13 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

I am now confused on WTF I am supposed to put as a subject line for
quasi related topics.

I just bought a fifth wheel to live in until my house is finished. I
plan on taking a couple trips with it and the guy recommended a Honda
EU1000. Honda makes great and very quite gensets but he mentioned it
will only run the AC and maybe some lights and I would have to get 2 and
"hook them together" to run the whole thing.

It has a 30 Amp plug but I forgot to look what voltage it is so I can't
calculate the max wattage I would need.

This sounds suspect. Is there some reason why I just wouldn't by a
larger Honda EU? Does someone have a better recommendation? I hate to
get a gas genset when the trailer runs on propane and the truck runs on
diesel.

[AFMUG] Odd Nanobridge problem

[Jay Weekley]

We have a 5.7 Nanobridge acting as an AP that serves two tower sites 
that are close together.  After a storm yesterday we started getting a 
lot of packet loss when pinging the AP.   We can disconnect either of 
the SMs and the remaining tower works fine and there is no packet loss 
to the AP but when we turn both sites back on the packet loss returns.  
There is also a Netonix switch at the tower that has the 5.7 Nanobridge 
acting as the AP and it's cable diagnostics tool shows a problem on pins 
5, 6, 7 and 8 though the AP is powered up. Both these sites are slated 
for upgrades to Ubiquiti AC gear but the logistics will make it 
difficult this week.

[AFMUG] OT: ?? Genset

[Lewis Bergman]

I am now confused on WTF I am supposed to put as a subject line for quasi
related topics.

I just bought a fifth wheel to live in until my house is finished. I plan
on taking a couple trips with it and the guy recommended a Honda EU1000.
Honda makes great and very quite gensets but he mentioned it will only run
the AC and maybe some lights and I would have to get 2 and "hook them
together" to run the whole thing.

It has a 30 Amp plug but I forgot to look what voltage it is so I can't
calculate the max wattage I would need.

This sounds suspect. Is there some reason why I just wouldn't by a larger
Honda EU? Does someone have a better recommendation? I hate to get a gas
genset when the trailer runs on propane and the truck runs on diesel.

[AFMUG] AS-sets

[Mike Hammett]

I thought that when you included someone else's AS-set in your AS-set, it 
formed a chain of custody, not that their AS-set directly contained your AS. 




I've found multiple AS-sets that directly include my AS instead of a chain of 
AS-sets. I suspect they're pulling all of the members of the AS-sets they're 
peering with and building it as their own. 




I assume that what they're doing isn't right. Can anyone smarter on the subject 
than I shed some light? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] PTP600 cacti

[Steve Utick]

I don't know for sure if the MIB's are the same as the PTP500 radios, but
you can give my PTP500 template a try:
http://www.north-hill.net/files/cacti-ptp500.zip


On Thu, Mar 2, 2017 at 5:23 AM, Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> Does anyone have Cacti templates they could share for a Cambium PTP600?
>

[AFMUG] PTP600 cacti

[Eric Muehleisen]

Does anyone have Cacti templates they could share for a Cambium PTP600?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Youtube Data Storage

[Paul Stewart]

That sounds about right ….. highly distributed well connected storage is their 
key … 

It truly is staggering though when you think about it…

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> 
> I was reading an article the other day that referenced that youtube users 
> upload 400 hours of video every minute, or 65 years of video every day.  Is 
> my math right in showing that at an average of 2.5mb/s for the video size, 
> that's 600 TB of data per day being uploaded?  Given redundant copies being 
> made, Youtube is bringing online over a Petabyte per day of storage.
> 
> Since I've only been involved with Small businesses, wrapping my head around 
> this amount of storage and $$$ is hard.
> 
> Realizing that Google is custom, I'll use Backblaze for some math.
> Backblaze will do 45 drives in 4U@600w power draw  47U rack height = 11 4U 
> boxes = 495HD /rack  If they're 8tb drives, that's 4PB/rack. If Google is 
> paying 1/2 retail cost for drives, that's $175/drive, or $90k per rack (+ 
> Hardware)  6.6kw power draw (+ Cooling).
> 
> So every 4 Days, they spend $100k in Hardware, and increases their electric 
> bill by 8kw?
> 
> I guess when you're dealing with Billions of Dollars, a $100k every couple 
> days' isn't such a big deal.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Streaming

[Paul Stewart]

I understand it will be the same network, same systems etc….. 

> On Mar 1, 2017, at 12:33 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
> On 3/1/17 08:17, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> “YouTube’s service will cost $35 a month, similar to the cheapest deals
>> from AT& T’s DirecTV Now and Sony’s PlayStation Vue, but more expensive
>> than Dish’s Sling TV. It comes with unlimited storage in a cloud DVR; “
> 
> 
> Hmm, I wonder if they'll leverage the existing CDN infrastructure that 
> already feeds YouTube, especially at internet exchanges. If I have to build 
> transport somewhere for a competing TV service that's more costly than 
> YouTube coming off a peering I already have.
> 
> ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions

[Paul Stewart]

I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were 
others too …

Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have 
the infrastructure (which I do) 

Paul



> On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive 
> anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid 
> draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than 
> $100/month each.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter 
> garbage for sure.
> 
> What's the monthly cost of the list?  I think those of us that have benefited 
> from it could throw a few bucks to help you out.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall  > wrote:
> I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the list 
> directly, so here goes.
>  
> Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs,  I get one or two 
> people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the BS, 
> politics, etc.  I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because of 
> that. 
>  
> While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS is 
> very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice.  That’s not the point of 
> my comment.
>  
> People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on 
> important technology and business needs, IMO. 
>  
> It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents.
>  
> Paul
>  
>  
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800  
> pa...@pdmnet.net 
> www.pdmnet.com 
> www.floridabroadband.com 
>  
>  
> 
> 
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