from:"Harold Bledsoe"

Re: [AFMUG] 12V 8-10A wall mount battery backup

2018-06-06 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Another option might be to get a (cheap) solar charge controller.  Instead
of a solar panel input, just put a DC power supply on it and add a battery?

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 1:03 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Thanks Mark,
>
> It looks like all the 12V ones there are 2-3A
>
> Alpha makes MPS12-100-8H and MPS12-100-GD which are 7.5A.  I've asked P
> for quotes...
>
> The Mean well AD-155A might work but then I would need to build it into an
> enclosure with a battery and I'm trying for easy.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 12:51 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
>> Carl,
>>
>> What about the cyberpower FTTX battery backup units?
>> https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/fttx/
>>
>> We've also looked into these before
>> https://www.powertecsolutions.net/solutions/#psi-micro-ups-series
>>
>>
>> I saw a BBU built into a wall wart in a security magazine a while back.
>> Thinking that may be too low on the amps.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Best regards, Mark*mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>> 
>>
>>
>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc. *www.MyakkaTech.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *-- Wednesday, June 6, 2018, 12:19:32 PM, you wrote: *
>>
>> I'm looking for a 12V 8-10A power supply and battery backup for Calix
>> E3s.  Something that I could just mount to the telco board in a MDU.
>> Doesn't need a whole lot of battery but an hour or so would be nice.
>> Anyone have anything that they like?
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> Carl Peterson
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Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?

2018-05-31 Thread Harold Bledsoe

But to be fair, RFC2544 is a good test for wires but not so great for
wireless and especially not developed with anything half duplex in mind.

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 10:43 AM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> I would add on the "NOT" section, item #6:
>
> You need it to pass an RFC2544 or Y.1731 ethernet frame test at anything
> near line rate.
>
> It's based on an upconverted 802.11ac Quantenna chipset, the TDD nature of
> the radio means that it won't pass bidirectional simultaneous traffic tests
> which require an FDD radio.
>
> For the record an AF24 will also not pass an RFC2544 test due to the 160
> byte fragmentation issue with how it frames things. Not even at 500 Mbps x
> 500 Mbps on a perfect, -56 signal 770x770 RF link.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> B24 is an excellent radio for the following situation:-
>>   1) Short links (lets just say under 1.5 miles give or take).
>>   2) need small size radio
>>   3) need low power consumption
>>   4) need to stack a few in different directions on the same mast.
>>   5) need a fat pipe, which is not available from 5ghz due to freq /
>> interference issues. (up to 1.5G Aggregate)
>>   6) It is designed for Building Hopping as well as Video Networks
>>   7) it will be interesting to see if they go thru with their initial
>> intent to convert this into a B23 (23Ghz licensed radio).
>>
>> B24 is NOT for situations where  !
>>1) You need long links (lets just say over 1.5miles).
>>3) You have symmetric traffic  (i.e duplex )
>>4) You need a larger Radio  :)
>>5) You need a 700meg or 1G duplex
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 9:14:54 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>>
>> I am in El Paso...real men don't need water
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018, 7:07 PM Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Unless you live in a very dry are I think 2 miles is pushing it. In rane
>>> zone E (yes I know) we don't expect any sort of reliability past 1-1.5
>>> miles.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 8:04 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Range for Mimosa is 2 miles?  Small footprint, lower price...I see it
 has place in downtown or campus application... another tool for us..

 Jaime Solorza

 On Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:59 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> The AF is much larger and thus  has much more gain.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
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>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Baird" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, May 30, 2018 6:30:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>
> What makes it not a replacement for the AF24?
>
> On May 30, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
> We have several links installed, so far so good… not really a af24
> replacement, but… works for the application
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Sam Lambie <
> samtaos...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 2:29 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Mimosa B24 real world thoughts?
>
> Hey all,
>
> Has anyone deployed these guys yet? If so, what do you think?
> I am needing a smaller form factor like this for a particular site and
> these fit the bill nicely. And the 50% cost reduction over ubnt af24 is
> sweet too.
>
> Thanks
>
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>>> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
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>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] we dead?

2018-05-30 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Sounds like the beginning of a song...

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:54 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> is that it? is this the end?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Portable trencher

2018-04-11 Thread Harold Bledsoe

First comment is good - better get your chiropractor on standby before you
start!  LOL

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:10 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hg04CmggTM
> like this
> but not 2 grand
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> A shovel? Push the shovel down, flip the grass on it's top. Continue for
>> length of run. Lay cable. Flip grass back over. Push down with foot.
>>
>> You can't even tell the grass was disturbed when done
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018, 11:59 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For these residential deals, we occasionally lose out on new customers
>>> because they dont want to trench cable themselves.
>>> For this purpose it really only need 4 to 8 inches, just to stay under
>>> the sod.
>>> Is there a device that attaches to a drill or sawzall? Maybe a chainsaw
>>> modified bar or a bucksaw trenching blade?
>>> Not looking to get into a whole trencher, just something that ideally
>>> would fit in the truck on a shelf
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

2018-03-29 Thread Harold Bledsoe

There's some netgear and others too.  Nbase-T will be more prolific this
year.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 4:09 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Looks like mikrotik claims to have copper sfp+ which negotiates to 2.5 as
> well as 5 and 10.   S+RJ10.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 3/29/18 1:22 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't even realize this was a thing.  Thought everything was going
>>> fiber above 1Gb/s
>>>
>>
>>
>> 2.5GBASE-T ports exist on IgniteNet gear, at least. I haven't seen any
>> switches in the wild yet.
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> 
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>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 2.5G Base-T

2018-03-29 Thread Harold Bledsoe

You might be surprised actually.  2.5G was designed to work over CAT5e
cabling and has similar performance requirements to 1G.  Give it a whirl!
:-)

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 8:20 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Not tested. Prob not.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 29, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> Chuck and Forrest, do your products work with 2.5G Base-T that's getting
> more popular on ac\ad chipsets?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Linksys

2018-03-27 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Not to nitpick but Foxconn is actually a Taiwanese company.

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 1:13 AM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I am not a big Warren Buffet fan be he had a pretty nice explanation about
> what happens when a nation sells off its assets to another country.
>
> Just more of a trend of Chinese "companies", as if there were such a
> thing, buying up all over the world.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018, 12:09 AM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Granted, that's setting a pretty low bar though.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:00 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Back in the day it was much better than Belkin.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 26, 2018 9:57 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Linksys
>>>
>>>
>> I never really thought of Linksys as being a good thing.
>>>
>>> On Monday, March 26, 2018,  wrote:
>>>
>> Cisco bought linksys. Screwed up a good thing. Belden bought linksys all
 hell broke loose, making some of the worse products out there. I guess it
 could only get better.

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On Mar 26, 2018, at 8:46 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:
 >
 > Cisco sold off Linksys to Belkin a few years back. Dunno bout wemo.
 >
 >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:42 PM, Chuck McCown 
 wrote:
 >> “Foxconn buys Belkin, Linksys, and Wemo”
 >>
 >> I thought Cisco bought Linksys years ago?

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

2018-02-21 Thread Harold Bledsoe

We're working on it.  LW comes in at $299 - we'll keep driving it down!

Another option possibly is to do a mix of 60GHz and pure 5GHz clients.
Sell 50M plans on 5GHz and 1G plans on 60GHz at a premium.  ;-)

Thanks,
-Hal

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 2:25 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:

> This looks sweet, the AP is at a good price point.   The CPE at 4500 will
> not work for us, needs to be at $120 to $150.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:27 AM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>
>
>
> Not 50 feet.  ;-)
>
>
>
>
> https://www.ignitenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/MetroLinq-10G-Omni-datasheet.pdf
>
>
>
> The range depends on the client used so it ranges from 150m to 700m.  Keep
> in mind this isn't a 120 degree fixed sector - it has beamforming so the
> actual beam is 8 degrees horizontal by 32 degrees vertical - it moves to
> the client it is talking to at that particular moment in time.
>
>
>
> -Hal
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:04 PM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com>
> wrote:
>
> 50 feet... :)
>
> On 02/20/2018 09:59 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> > Yikes. What is the range on the 60GHz @ 120 degrees?
> >
> > On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
> > <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > 3 * 120° at 60 GHz
> >
> > 1 360°  at 5 GHz
> >
> > 1 360° at 2.4 GHz
> >
> >
> > bp
> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> >
> > On 2/20/2018 9:13 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> >
> > What's the beamwidth on this?
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

2018-02-21 Thread Harold Bledsoe

5GHz has electrical downtilt.

Thanks,
-Hal

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 6:20 PM Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

> Btw Hal, do the units have electrical downtilt?
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Harold Bledsoe <
> hbledso...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 5:53 PM
>
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>
> Imperialist!
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> [image: aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]
>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 3:51 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, but is it tested to the more rigorous –40F?
>>
>> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:48 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>> It's tested to -40C.  If that makes you feel better.  :-)
>>
>> -Hal
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 2:10 PM Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Speed and price look extremely impressive... but it's not rated to
>>> operate in cold weather (only down to -30 Celsius) therefore not an option
>>> for us in why-are-you-living-there central Canada.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Still everything on plain 802.11 or is tdma done?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Mathew Howard
>>>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 20. Februar 2018 19:45
>>>> *An:* af <af@afmug.com>
>>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pricing isn't bad at all, the AP is only about $1k, which is actually
>>>> cheaper than a lot of 5ghz systems when you consider that it covers 360
>>>> degrees, and there aren't any other antennas involved. The clients are a
>>>> bit pricey though... ranging from around $300-$600... realistically,
>>>> probably around $500 for most customers.
>>>>
>>>> I have one sitting here ready to go up as soon as the weather is good
>>>> enough that I can get myself to climb up a tower... one of our service
>>>> techs lives close enough to the tower that I'm planning on putting it on to
>>>> work at 60ghz, so that should be a good test.
>>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:28 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>> Nice.  How does the price compare to other PMP solutions?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:25 AM
>>>>
>>>> *To:* af
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is dual frequency. It's got a built in 5ghz omni as well as the
>>>> three 60ghz radio... it actually has a 2.4ghz radio in there to, although I
>>>> can't imagine actually using that.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:43 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Please forgive me for being ignorant about this product, but is it a
>>>> dual freq with fail over to 5.8GHz during 60 GHz fades/outages or do you
>>>> put up the 60 GHz and hope for the best?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:29 AM
>>>>
>>>> *To:*af@afmug.com
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2.5 gbps OTA per sector, 3 inside … 1.1-1.3 gbps real per sector
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jason McKemie <
>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>>>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> *Date: *Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 1:13 PM
>>>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What's the beamwidth on this?
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>>
>>>> President
>>>>
>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>>
>>>> [image: image001.png]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>>
>>>> President
>>>>
>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>>
>>>> [image: image001.png]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

2018-02-20 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Imperialist!

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 3:51 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Yes, but is it tested to the more rigorous –40F?
>
> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
> It's tested to -40C.  If that makes you feel better.  :-)
>
> -Hal
>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 2:10 PM Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Speed and price look extremely impressive... but it's not rated to
>> operate in cold weather (only down to -30 Celsius) therefore not an option
>> for us in why-are-you-living-there central Canada.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Still everything on plain 802.11 or is tdma done?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Mathew Howard
>>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 20. Februar 2018 19:45
>>> *An:* af <af@afmug.com>
>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Pricing isn't bad at all, the AP is only about $1k, which is actually
>>> cheaper than a lot of 5ghz systems when you consider that it covers 360
>>> degrees, and there aren't any other antennas involved. The clients are a
>>> bit pricey though... ranging from around $300-$600... realistically,
>>> probably around $500 for most customers.
>>>
>>> I have one sitting here ready to go up as soon as the weather is good
>>> enough that I can get myself to climb up a tower... one of our service
>>> techs lives close enough to the tower that I'm planning on putting it on to
>>> work at 60ghz, so that should be a good test.
>>>
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:28 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>> Nice.  How does the price compare to other PMP solutions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:25 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is dual frequency. It's got a built in 5ghz omni as well as the three
>>> 60ghz radio... it actually has a 2.4ghz radio in there to, although I can't
>>> imagine actually using that.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:43 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Please forgive me for being ignorant about this product, but is it a
>>> dual freq with fail over to 5.8GHz during 60 GHz fades/outages or do you
>>> put up the 60 GHz and hope for the best?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:29 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2.5 gbps OTA per sector, 3 inside … 1.1-1.3 gbps real per sector
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> *Date: *Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 1:13 PM
>>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What's the beamwidth on this?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>
>>> President
>>>
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> [image: image001.png]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>
>>> President
>>>
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> [image: image001.png]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

2018-02-20 Thread Harold Bledsoe

It's tested to -40C.  If that makes you feel better.  :-)

-Hal

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 2:10 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> Speed and price look extremely impressive... but it's not rated to operate
> in cold weather (only down to -30 Celsius) therefore not an option for us
> in why-are-you-living-there central Canada.
>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
>
>> Still everything on plain 802.11 or is tdma done?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Mathew Howard
>> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 20. Februar 2018 19:45
>> *An:* af 
>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>>
>>
>>
>> Pricing isn't bad at all, the AP is only about $1k, which is actually
>> cheaper than a lot of 5ghz systems when you consider that it covers 360
>> degrees, and there aren't any other antennas involved. The clients are a
>> bit pricey though... ranging from around $300-$600... realistically,
>> probably around $500 for most customers.
>>
>> I have one sitting here ready to go up as soon as the weather is good
>> enough that I can get myself to climb up a tower... one of our service
>> techs lives close enough to the tower that I'm planning on putting it on to
>> work at 60ghz, so that should be a good test.
>>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:28 PM,  wrote:
>>
> Nice.  How does the price compare to other PMP solutions?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:25 AM
>>
>> *To:* af
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>>
>>
>>
>> It is dual frequency. It's got a built in 5ghz omni as well as the three
>> 60ghz radio... it actually has a 2.4ghz radio in there to, although I can't
>> imagine actually using that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:43 AM,  wrote:
>>
>> Please forgive me for being ignorant about this product, but is it a dual
>> freq with fail over to 5.8GHz during 60 GHz fades/outages or do you put up
>> the 60 GHz and hope for the best?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:29 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>>
>>
>>
>> 2.5 gbps OTA per sector, 3 inside … 1.1-1.3 gbps real per sector
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Date: *Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 1:13 PM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>>
>>
>>
>> What's the beamwidth on this?
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>
>> President
>>
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> [image: image001.png]
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>
>> President
>>
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> [image: image001.png]
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

2018-02-20 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Bingo!

You can use the 2.4GHz for management, for hotspot, for something like
"cablewifi" like the cable guys do.  You can even use it to broadcast an
ssid that says "Gigabit Internet Call 555-1212"

If you are deploying it in a city, use it to entice the city to give you
access to vertical assets - you'll give city wide free WiFi in return on
2.4GHz.

Lot's of possibilities there...

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:25 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> It is dual frequency. It's got a built in 5ghz omni as well as the three
> 60ghz radio... it actually has a 2.4ghz radio in there to, although I can't
> imagine actually using that.
>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:43 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Please forgive me for being ignorant about this product, but is it a dual
>> freq with fail over to 5.8GHz during 60 GHz fades/outages or do you put up
>> the 60 GHz and hope for the best?
>>
>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:29 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>>
>> 2.5 gbps OTA per sector, 3 inside … 1.1-1.3 gbps real per sector
>>
>> From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 1:13 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>>
>> What's the beamwidth on this?
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> [image: aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]
>>>
>>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> [image: aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

2018-02-20 Thread Harold Bledsoe

It's flexible.

You can run the 60GHz without failover, you can run it with failover.  Then
there is 5GHz built-in that can be for 60GHz failover, 5GHz fixed, or 5GHz
WiFi (depends on configuration).  Finally, there is 2.4GHz as well because
why not?  ;-)

-Hal

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 11:44 AM  wrote:

> Please forgive me for being ignorant about this product, but is it a dual
> freq with fail over to 5.8GHz during 60 GHz fades/outages or do you put up
> the 60 GHz and hope for the best?
>
> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
> 2.5 gbps OTA per sector, 3 inside … 1.1-1.3 gbps real per sector
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 1:13 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector
>
> What's the beamwidth on this?
>
> On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> [image: aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]
>>
>>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> [image: aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] its here, Ignitenet 60ghz trisector

2018-02-20 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Not 50 feet.  ;-)

https://www.ignitenet.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/MetroLinq-10G-Omni-datasheet.pdf

The range depends on the client used so it ranges from 150m to 700m.  Keep
in mind this isn't a 120 degree fixed sector - it has beamforming so the
actual beam is 8 degrees horizontal by 32 degrees vertical - it moves to
the client it is talking to at that particular moment in time.

-Hal

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 12:04 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> 50 feet... :)
>
> On 02/20/2018 09:59 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> > Yikes. What is the range on the 60GHz @ 120 degrees?
> >
> > On Tuesday, February 20, 2018, Bill Prince  > > wrote:
> >
> > 3 * 120° at 60 GHz
> >
> > 1 360°  at 5 GHz
> >
> > 1 360° at 2.4 GHz
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 2/20/2018 9:13 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> >
> > What's the beamwidth on this?
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] battery

2017-12-29 Thread Harold Bledsoe

I don't think this is a true deep cycle battery but rather a hybrid marine
one. It's good for backup but I wouldn't use it for a daily cycler. The 1A
discharge AH rating is another clue...

I have used these for backup systems though. I'd guess they are good for
80-100 cycles roughly (a lot of power outages in other words).

On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 1:27 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> WalMart
> PN: 29DC
> 1464 watt hours
> $86.83
> 5.9 cents per watt hour
>
> Doesn't come much cheaper than that.
>
> --

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] OT Dinner

2017-11-03 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Dudeyou are killing me

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 3:53 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

>
> On Nov 2, 2017 7:19 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>
>> Machaca Brisket for me, Enchiladas for wife...
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2017 6:21 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> Some of my favorites...
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Reasonably priced 24 port POE switch

2017-11-01 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Make sure you check the power budget. That's one area that varies somewhat
from switch to switch especially if you need 3at.

Hal

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:10 PM Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

> We need to power 22 UniFi cameras from POE.   What is a good, cost
> effective switch for that?
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway%0D+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962%0D+772=gmail=g>
>
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway%0D+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962%0D+772=gmail=g>
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway%0D+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962%0D+772=gmail=g>
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway%0D+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962%0D+772=gmail=g>
>
> 772
> <https://maps.google.com/?q=658+Old+Dixie+Highway%0D+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962%0D+772=gmail=g>-564-6800
>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
-- 

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?

2017-10-27 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Kettle of pickles? Is that for making pickle tea?

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 3:03 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Oh, for the customers.  That is a different kettle of pickles.  I agree,
> customer passwords can be less secure in my opinion.
> I thought you were talking about your admin password.
>
> *From:* Brett A Mansfield
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 25, 2017 6:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?
>
> I can tell already that it will be a serious challenge. I have a lot of
> customers that will be calling me just to complain that they cannot get
> into their account because the password requirements are too strict and
> they forgot their password again.
>
> Should I not be able to choose my own password requirements?
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Oct 25, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> Absolutely not.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 25, 2017 7:32:07 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Sonar password requirements too strict?
>
> Anyone here that uses sonar find the password requirements to be too
> strict? 12 character requirement.
>
> When it comes to passwords, I should get to choose any password I want
> when I’m paying someone for a service. I have the same issue with Apples
> new stuff.
>
> I just spun up a new instance of sonar to try it out. I haven’t even
> passed the password change screen yet and I think I’ve already decided to
> cancel.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
> --

Harold Bledsoe

[AFMUG] AeroNet/IgniteNet PR

2017-10-24 Thread Harold Bledsoe

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/10/prweb14838076.htm

I know other vendors are stepping up too as well as WISPs going to help.
It is good to highlight all the work being done to get folks back up and
running.

Please donate if you are able!

Thanks,
-Hal

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

2017-10-21 Thread Harold Bledsoe

LOL!

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 7:04 PM Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:

> Depends on how well that 10GB PMP performs. ;)
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Friday, October 20, 2017 1:52 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>
>
> /hal wonders if this is good PR for IgniteNet...  :-D
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:49 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> 'merica! F yeah!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Wright
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 1:46 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Each side of the aisle has their own crazies;  for every anti-vaxxer
> there's
> a birther.
>
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:05 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> That's not left. That is wacko left. There is also wacko right.
>
> You forgot a few things, like gluten mania, chakra, chi, feng shui, and oh
> well. We gotta change the channel...
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 10/20/2017 11:53 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Not wanting to break lent, but the left is hell bent against science
> > in many areas.
> > GMOs, Vaccines, Beer Yeast, EMI == Cancer etc.
> > The only generalization you can make that will hold is that people
> > generally only support/quote science that backs their own ideas/ideals.
> > Lent is back on.
>
> --

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

2017-10-20 Thread Harold Bledsoe

/hal wonders if this is good PR for IgniteNet...  :-D

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 2:49 PM  wrote:

> 'merica! F yeah!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Wright
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 1:46 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Each side of the aisle has their own crazies;  for every anti-vaxxer
> there's
> a birther.
>
> Chris Wright
> Network Administrator
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 12:05 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> That's not left. That is wacko left. There is also wacko right.
>
> You forgot a few things, like gluten mania, chakra, chi, feng shui, and oh
> well. We gotta change the channel...
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/20/2017 11:53 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Not wanting to break lent, but the left is hell bent against science
> > in many areas.
> > GMOs, Vaccines, Beer Yeast, EMI == Cancer etc.
> > The only generalization you can make that will hold is that people
> > generally only support/quote science that backs their own ideas/ideals.
> > Lent is back on.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

2017-10-20 Thread Harold Bledsoe

SEA is amazingly friendly.  They get rain but not very intense.

What makes it particularly challenging is that it is rain specifically
across the path of the link.  So a 1km link that follows a typical squall
line path will be different than a 1km link that is perpendicular to the
typical squall line (partial path with rain vs. full path with rain).  It's
cool stuff like this that makes it so much fun!  :-)

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:01 AM  wrote:

> Lesseee  365.25*24*60 = 525960 minutes.
> .9 uptime = = .1 downtime
>
> Move the decimal 5 places = 5.296 minutes per year
> 25.9 seconds per month.
>
> So should drop for a second a day or perhaps for half a minute a month or
> 7 seconds a week etc etc.
> Be interesting to see what folks in Seattle actually see.
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, October 20, 2017 5:36 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
> =
> that is good for five nines reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a
> Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places that have higher
> mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that take direct 48VDC
> power, singlemode fiber connections, and have dedicated management
> interfaces.
> =
>
> IgniteNet does all of that too.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 5:52:52 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
> Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's
> silly USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff...
>
> Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier
> grade, fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines
> reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less
> distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious
> products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and
> have dedicated management interfaces.
>
> "serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80
> GHz links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider
> themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter
> wave when it is necessary or justified.
>
> I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of
> one disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot
> glued to a plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Well hell, that is almost TMI.  I expected as such from this band.
>> Sounds like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it
>> would be a contender.
>>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
> Let me back up.
>>
>> We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during
>> torrential down pours.
>>
>> Random fog events will cause it to become trashed.
>>
>> The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The
>> problem for me is the fail over does not happen properly.
>>
>> It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect
>> too much out of it.
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>>
>> How far is your shot?  What channel are you using?
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>>
>>
>>
>> I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does
>> not fail over seemleasly at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it
>> sometimes flips.
>>
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>> If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be
>> complaining.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>>
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet

Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq

2017-10-20 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Hi guys,

If you have any issues, contact support and we will fix it.  We did have a
HW issue with the first units shipped and unfortunately it was a LOT of
units.  We have done our best to get those back and new units out but it's
a challenge to get them all globally.

As far as the design goes, we developed a (now) patented way to remove the
waveguide and share the aperture with the 5GHz.  This was a huge cost
savings and is part of our plan to keep driving costs down in mmwave to
reach better and better price points.  If we used Bridgewave's design, it
would never be affordable for PTMP

Thanks,
-Hal

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 7:30 AM Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

> We replaced 2 of the units.
>
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Matt Hoppes 
> Datum: 20.10.17 13:14 (GMT+01:00)
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Batt Prices

2017-10-16 Thread Harold Bledsoe

A hybrid deep cycle marine battery is good for around 80-100 cycles.  For
backup purposes it can work but keep in mind that you still need to
exercise the battery at least 1-2 times per month.  Perma-float will kill
it if doesn't cycle occasionally.  Still as a backup-only you can get 5
years from it.  10-15 years is OK from a real deep cycle battery.

If you want a lot of backup capacity, look at a forklift battery.  If you
can handle the logistics (weight) it is really good cost overall and good
for 15-20 years.  They just weigh a ton (literally).

-Hal

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:46 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> compare Wh / pound if you want to catch the liars.
>
> If I look at a bunch of 100ah batteries, and one of them is 10 pounds
> less than the others, then i believe that one is optimistically
> interpreting a test result.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 10/14/2017 4:57:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Batt Prices
>
> >Lead, acid.
> >Not in a moving vehicle, in an temperature controlled space.
> >Not cycled.
> >Float operation.
> >
> >I think that even if they were cheap crap, they might do OK.
> >
> >
> >-Original Message- From: Robert
> >Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2017 2:31 PM
> >To: af@afmug.com
> >Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Batt Prices
> >
> >So is there something about these batteries that gives you a good
> >feeling as to actual quality beyond the marketing blurb with the
> >product?   I only have the pure weight to be an independent judge right
> >now.
> >
> >On 10/14/17 1:14 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >>Sho-nuff
> >>
> >>
> >>bp
> >>
> >>
> >>On 10/14/2017 1:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >>>Yeahbut, I had to do some manual screen scraping and data entry.ï¿½
> >>>So I was a bit lazy.ï¿½ And since I really donï¿½t care about
> >>>physical specs (being a cheap ass) that is all I did.ï¿½ So, yeah, I
> >>>can.ï¿½ Do you want the spread sheet?ï¿½ Winking smile
> >>>ï¿½
> >>>*From:* Bill Prince
> >>>*Sent:* Saturday, October 14, 2017 2:12 PM
> >>>*To:* af@afmug.com
> >>>*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Batt Prices
> >>>ï¿½
> >>>
> >>>Can you add column(s) for group size and weight?
> >>>
> >>>ï¿½
> >>>
> >>>bp
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On 10/14/2017 12:55 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> My list so far.ï¿½ Price per watt hour is based on the 100 hour
> discharge rate.ï¿½
> >>>
> >>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

2017-10-13 Thread Harold Bledsoe

I'm stalking you Gino.  ;-)

We showed but did not announce a 10G triband omni, the beamforming client
(MetroLinq LW), MeshLinq (Trill switch).

I think the bigger issue was that everyone was having too much fun without
us.  :-(

On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 8:40 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it once
> was? No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine?
>
> Nothing new from Mimosa
>
> UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul
>
> Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing spectacular
> either
>
> Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60
> ghz? SFP ports?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

[AFMUG] Hurricane Maria

2017-09-18 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Gino, Mike, etc. are all gonna need some love after this next round...

-Hal

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Wifi

2017-09-13 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Or maybe it was 15 .

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 6:54 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
wrote:

> After 15GB of usage, mobile hotspot drops to 600kbps or 0.6 mbps speed for
> remainder of month. Not meant for streaming or home usage.
>
> On Sep 13, 2017 5:47 PM, "Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just recently added a Verizon Wifi Jetpack to my personal cell plan. It
>> costs me $20/month and it uses my current data plan (which is unlimited). I
>> have gotten 40Mbps x 15Mbps in Salt Lake City when connecting with a
>> laptop. Even at my house, I get 15Mbps x 5Mbps.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>> --

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] Verizon Wifi

2017-09-13 Thread Harold Bledsoe

It throttles after 22GB per month on the unlimited plan.

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 6:48 PM Travis Johnson <t...@ida.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I just recently added a Verizon Wifi Jetpack to my personal cell plan.
> It costs me $20/month and it uses my current data plan (which is
> unlimited). I have gotten 40Mbps x 15Mbps in Salt Lake City when
> connecting with a laptop. Even at my house, I get 15Mbps x 5Mbps.
>
> Travis
>
> --

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

2017-08-31 Thread Harold Bledsoe

How many bowls of wheaties did you eat that day?  The 12kW is pretty beefy!
 :-)

Here's the Cenga one with 8 batteries.  Similar concept:

[image: cenga.jpg]

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:12 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> http://www.aimscorp.net/12000-Watt-Inverter-Charger-48-volt-120-240vac.html
>
> I hooked up one of these.  12kw, or 50 amp at 240v.  So I feed a sub
> panel with it, and every circuit on the sub-panel is battery backed.
>
> The link says it's $3000, but you'll really pay something like $2600.
> Then you have to account for batteries and wiring.
>
> It's not exactly what you're asking for, but it's pretty cost effective.
>   It only runs in charger mode or inverter mode, not both at once.  So
> when you're in charger mode you're not getting "clean" power, just
> whatever comes in off the utility grid.
>
> There's also a 10ms delay when switching from charger mode to inverter
> mode, and some devices could reset during that blip.  The 4 batteries in
> the picture give me 4800 watt hours.  Which might only be 15-20 minutes
> at full load, but it's never at full load.  I'd expect to get a few
> hours out of it in reality.  Long enough to drive there and take action
> if the generator failed to start.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 8/30/2017 5:03:07 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>
> >Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.
> >
> >Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in
> >my utility room?
> >
> >I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.
> >
> >Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole
> >home inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
> >Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a battery
> >array for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
> >Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.
> >
> >But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or
> >sample/guide for electricians to make this.
> >
> >Is this not ‘normal’ now days?
> >
> >I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as
> >well.
> >Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

2017-08-31 Thread Harold Bledsoe

There are some other options for non-Tesla.  For example LG Chem has a
lithium ion battery that is compatible with most 48VDC systems.  So swap
out the lead acid and swap in their box.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 9:02 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Don't forget that the Tesla PowerWall stores the power at somewhere in
> the neighborhood of 400-500 volts (I don't remember the exact voltage).
> You would need to deal with that.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 8/30/2017 2:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > How many kWh is that tesla wall of batts or whatever it is called?
> > BTW, you have until November to file a net metering application with
> > RMP in Utah to get grandfathered into the better deal.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:14 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
> >
> > Ok.
> >
> > Is this easier to do with a APC Symmetra PC Power Array system?
> >
> > I found one for a good price for pickup 16Kva for $1800.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:11 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
> >
> > How many kwh is that?
> > Batts can be had for 15 cents per watt hour  - or -
> >
> > $150 per kWh.
> > Inverters come in at 15-30 cents per watt.
> >
> > Lets say you want a 20 kWh battery, DIY it should cost $3K for the batts.
> > 10 kW will run most homes unless you have all the AC and clothes
> > dryers running at the same time.
> > So $1500 for an inverter.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sterling Jacobson
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:03 PM
> > To: 'af@afmug.com'
> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
> >
> > Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.
> >
> > Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array
> > in my utility room?
> >
> > I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.
> >
> > Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole
> > home inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
> > Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a
> > battery array for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
> > Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.
> >
> > But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or
> > sample/guide for electricians to make this.
> >
> > Is this not ‘normal’ now days?
> >
> > I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as well.
> > Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

2017-08-31 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Agreed, Chuck!  Will be interesting to see where it all ends up.

One thing on my setup - I don't lose the grid.  The grid is still connected
as a backup to the islanded system, however the batteries and the power
collected from the solar are first priority.

-Hal

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 9:36 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> They were trying to add demand charges in Utah.  That would have made me
> off grid.  But they have backed away from that.  I think net metering costs
> me something like $5 and it is worth it to have juice at night without
> batts.
>
> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:44 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar
> Readiness
> This.
>
> We do systems like this as well using Cenga:
>
> http://www.cengapower.com/
>
> If you are doing pure backup, AGM is hard to beat because of zero
> maintenance, lower cost, and low cycles involved with backup only.
>
> If you want to island or go off-grid with part of the house with daily
> cycling, the best choices are forklift batteries or lithium ion. Golf cart
> batteries don't work out financially for daily cycling compared to those.
>
> The federal tax incentives makes adding panels essentially free. If you
> are lucky to live in a state friendly to solar with state incentives, the
> system gets pretty darn cheap!
>
> I personally am not a believer in netmetering anymore. I started out with
> netmetering and ended up taking most of the house islanded. Why? The power
> companies don't want to do it so they eventually will find a way to kill
> it. My power company added a netmetering fee of $10/kW installed per month.
> So I'm islanded now.
>
> Hal
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM Zach Underwood <zunder1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> 1 watt of lead battery does not equal 1 watt of lithium ion. With lead
>> acid you can only take them to about 40-50% depth of discharge but with the
>> lithium ion you can get like 80-90% depth of discharge. Also the number of
>> discharge is only like 1000-3000 cycles where with lithium it can be as
>> high as 9000 cycles. The number of cycles is less of a problem in a grid
>> connected back up only but if off grid solar then with lead you would have
>> to replace every 2-3 years where with lithium it could be every 5-10 years.
>> When I was looking into solar this year the 10 year cost of lithium was
>> cheaper then lead.
>>
>> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
>>
>> http://ZachUnderwood.me
>>
>> advance-networking.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2017 9:13 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Tesla Powerwall looks to be 14kWh, so you'd be looking at about $2100
>> worth of batteries to get the equivalent. I don't see anything on Tesla's
>> website about what size inverter it comes with, but from what I'm seeing on
>> Google, it looks to only be 5kW.
>>
>> You'd also have to come up with some kind of a charger if you don't have
>> solar.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> How many kWh is that tesla wall of batts or whatever it is called?
>>> BTW, you have until November to file a net metering application with RMP
>>> in Utah to get grandfathered into the better deal.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:14 PM
>>>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>>>
>>> Ok.
>>>
>>> Is this easier to do with a APC Symmetra PC Power Array system?
>>>
>>> I found one for a good price for pickup 16Kva for $1800.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:11 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>>>
>>> How many kwh is that?
>>> Batts can be had for 15 cents per watt hour  - or -
>>>
>>> $150 per kWh.
>>> Inverters come in at 15-30 cents per watt.
>>>
>>> Lets say you want a 20 kWh battery, DIY it should cost $3K for the batts.
>>> 10 kW will run most homes unless you have all the AC and clothes dryers
>>> running at the same time.
>>> So $1500 for an inverter.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Sterling Jacobson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 3

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

2017-08-31 Thread Harold Bledsoe

This.

We do systems like this as well using Cenga:

http://www.cengapower.com/

If you are doing pure backup, AGM is hard to beat because of zero
maintenance, lower cost, and low cycles involved with backup only.

If you want to island or go off-grid with part of the house with daily
cycling, the best choices are forklift batteries or lithium ion. Golf cart
batteries don't work out financially for daily cycling compared to those.

The federal tax incentives makes adding panels essentially free. If you are
lucky to live in a state friendly to solar with state incentives, the
system gets pretty darn cheap!

I personally am not a believer in netmetering anymore. I started out with
netmetering and ended up taking most of the house islanded. Why? The power
companies don't want to do it so they eventually will find a way to kill
it. My power company added a netmetering fee of $10/kW installed per month.
So I'm islanded now.

Hal

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM Zach Underwood <zunder1...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 1 watt of lead battery does not equal 1 watt of lithium ion. With lead
> acid you can only take them to about 40-50% depth of discharge but with the
> lithium ion you can get like 80-90% depth of discharge. Also the number of
> discharge is only like 1000-3000 cycles where with lithium it can be as
> high as 9000 cycles. The number of cycles is less of a problem in a grid
> connected back up only but if off grid solar then with lead you would have
> to replace every 2-3 years where with lithium it could be every 5-10 years.
> When I was looking into solar this year the 10 year cost of lithium was
> cheaper then lead.
>
> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
>
> http://ZachUnderwood.me
>
> advance-networking.com
>
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2017 9:13 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Tesla Powerwall looks to be 14kWh, so you'd be looking at about $2100
> worth of batteries to get the equivalent. I don't see anything on Tesla's
> website about what size inverter it comes with, but from what I'm seeing on
> Google, it looks to only be 5kW.
>
> You'd also have to come up with some kind of a charger if you don't have
> solar.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> How many kWh is that tesla wall of batts or whatever it is called?
>> BTW, you have until November to file a net metering application with RMP
>> in Utah to get grandfathered into the better deal.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:14 PM
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>>
>> Ok.
>>
>> Is this easier to do with a APC Symmetra PC Power Array system?
>>
>> I found one for a good price for pickup 16Kva for $1800.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:11 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>>
>> How many kwh is that?
>> Batts can be had for 15 cents per watt hour  - or -
>>
>> $150 per kWh.
>> Inverters come in at 15-30 cents per watt.
>>
>> Lets say you want a 20 kWh battery, DIY it should cost $3K for the batts.
>> 10 kW will run most homes unless you have all the AC and clothes dryers
>> running at the same time.
>> So $1500 for an inverter.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Sterling Jacobson
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:03 PM
>> To: 'af@afmug.com'
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>>
>> Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.
>>
>> Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in
>> my utility room?
>>
>> I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.
>>
>> Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole
>> home inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
>> Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a battery
>> array for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
>> Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.
>>
>> But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or sample/guide
>> for electricians to make this.
>>
>> Is this not ‘normal’ now days?
>>
>> I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as well.
>> Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹
>>
>> --

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

2017-07-28 Thread Harold Bledsoe

I'm not. The question was for input for our own managed wifi at IgniteNet.
Of course anyone can use the info to make their products better too!

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 1:37 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Harold, what is your affiliation with cambium?
>
> On Jul 27, 2017 12:57 PM, "Chris Wright" <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:
>
>> Not even that. Most people are terrified of their own computers. Why
>> would they want to mess with a mysterious box they barely know exists?
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 26, 2017 1:34 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question
>>
>>
>>
>> > I'm surprised at how few people want access to change anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is that because they don't want a personal SSID/passcode, guest network,
>> etc.?  Or is it because they are terrified of a typical enterprise
>> management config interface?
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 1:20 PM Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> To reply to the original question:
>>
>>
>>
>> We use a few options:
>>
>>
>>
>> *Cambium R200 provisioned by cnMaestro (leased for $9-$12 per device
>> depending on area)
>> *UniFi USG / UAP provisioned by off-site UniFi Controller (purchased
>> outright then managed for $5 + $5 per device)
>>
>> *Mimosa G2 no remote provisioning, requires external network access
>> (leased for $9-$12 per device depending on area)
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm surprised at how few people want access to change anything. I do have
>> one company on UniFi that I have provided with a controller login. With the
>> R200, I allow customer control from the Basic login, but I've only had one
>> person ask about it. It is easy enough to re-provision the R200 that I'm
>> not that concerned about people making their own changes on the limited
>> accounts.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> We do it using Cloud based mngmt platforms:
>>
>>
>>
>> We offer Cambium Pilot 201 Router and Xclaim X2’s for $9.95
>>
>> Meraki MR 33 and up starting from $19.95 up to $39.95
>>
>>
>>
>> We charge a setup and install fee that goes from $49.95 to $99.95
>> depending on the contract term.
>>
>>
>>
>> We include: Cable drop, config, FW updates, lifetime management and
>> replacement.  Meraki is the best Cloud mngmt.  of the 3
>>
>>
>>
>> There is really a need for a Amplifi/Eero type of product for MSP's
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Harold Bledsoe <
>> hbledso...@gmail.com>
>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> *Date: *Monday, July 24, 2017 at 5:25 PM
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Managed WiFi question
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>>
>>
>> For those of you offering managed WiFi to your subscribers, how do you
>> provision the devices?  And day 2, do you let the subscriber make changes?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> -Hal
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>
>> President
>>
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> [image: aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]
>>
>>
>>
>> --

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

2017-07-26 Thread Harold Bledsoe

> I'm surprised at how few people want access to change anything.

Is that because they don't want a personal SSID/passcode, guest network,
etc.?  Or is it because they are terrified of a typical enterprise
management config interface?

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 1:20 PM Christopher Gray <cg...@graytechsoftware.com>
wrote:

> To reply to the original question:
>
> We use a few options:
>
> *Cambium R200 provisioned by cnMaestro (leased for $9-$12 per device
> depending on area)
> *UniFi USG / UAP provisioned by off-site UniFi Controller (purchased
> outright then managed for $5 + $5 per device)
> *Mimosa G2 no remote provisioning, requires external network access
> (leased for $9-$12 per device depending on area)
>
> I'm surprised at how few people want access to change anything. I do have
> one company on UniFi that I have provided with a controller login. With the
> R200, I allow customer control from the Basic login, but I've only had one
> person ask about it. It is easy enough to re-provision the R200 that I'm
> not that concerned about people making their own changes on the limited
> accounts.
>
>
> --
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We do it using Cloud based mngmt platforms:
>>
>> We offer Cambium Pilot 201 Router and Xclaim X2’s for $9.95
>> Meraki MR 33 and up starting from $19.95 up to $39.95
>>
>> We charge a setup and install fee that goes from $49.95 to $99.95
>> depending on the contract term.
>>
>> We include: Cable drop, config, FW updates, lifetime management and
>> replacement.  Meraki is the best Cloud mngmt.  of the 3
>>
>> There is really a need for a Amplifi/Eero type of product for MSP's
>>
>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Harold Bledsoe <
>> hbledso...@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Date: Monday, July 24, 2017 at 5:25 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> For those of you offering managed WiFi to your subscribers, how do you
>> provision the devices?  And day 2, do you let the subscriber make changes?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -Hal
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> [image: aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Managed Home Security

2017-07-26 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Funny you mention that.  We also see that as a gap and good revenue
opportunity.

http://na.smc.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/SMC_IgniteNet_Tech_Brief-v1.0.pdf

The Secure Watch service is only available sold through operators so hit me
offlist if you want more details.  The high level is that you provision
cameras through the IgniteNet controller for a customer and then ship or
install them at that customer.  In the provisioning, the customer gets a
welcome email with instructions from the Secure Watch system to finish
setting up the account etc.

I use it myself and what I like most about it is that there is a bucket
plan where multiple cameras share storage so the cost is sane when you have
more than one camera (compared to Nest Cam and others).

Easy Peasy!

-Hal

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 1:06 PM Chris Wright  wrote:

> Dovetailing with the managed WiFi thread, and since the market is
> receptive to value-added services like VOIP and WiFi… what’s anyone doing
> for managed home security systems, cameras, etc.? I’ve looked at Novi and
> wasn’t impressed with their offerings. I love the UBNT cameras, but there’s
> no turnkey way to resell that I can see.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

2017-07-24 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Thanks Layne and that's the kind of WiFi I mean.  Managed WiFi is kind of a
vague proposition.  I'm asking about this kind - where you charge $x/mo
more and handle it for the sub.

How did it get managed in the first place and how did it get associated
with a particular ISP and end-user subscriber?

My 2 cents - ISPs need a competitive WiFi solution that rivals Eero, Luma,
Google WiFi, etc. so that they can make money on that vs. letting someone
else make money on that.  Then how to minimize the friction of
provisioning, installing it.  I just got Cox and the Panorama WiFi thing is
pretty painful for example.

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 4:50 PM Layne Sisk <la...@serverplus.com> wrote:

> Our managed router solution gives us access to control the device
> remotely, including resetting and changing SSID and PW.  If they screw it
> up we can almost always fix it because even if they factory reset it comes
> back to the server to get it’s configuration.
>
>
>
> Layne Sisk
>
> ServerPlus
>
> 801.426.8283, ext 102
>
> [image: New logo xl] <http://www.serverplus.com/>
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png]
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png]
> <https://www.facebook.com/ServerPlus365/>
>
> [image: http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png]
> <https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus>
>
> [image: Utah 100]   [image: fast50-01][image: Inc 5000]
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Monday, July 24, 2017 3:25 PM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Managed WiFi question
>
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
>
>
> For those of you offering managed WiFi to your subscribers, how do you
> provision the devices?  And day 2, do you let the subscriber make changes?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Hal
>

[AFMUG] Managed WiFi question

2017-07-24 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Hi folks,

For those of you offering managed WiFi to your subscribers, how do you
provision the devices?  And day 2, do you let the subscriber make changes?

Thanks!
-Hal

Re: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links

2017-07-21 Thread Harold Bledsoe

I think they are still in the beta store until end of the weekend!

Thanks,
-Hal

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 7:45 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So are they currently available via the beta store, or does one need to
> just wait until the regular channels get them at this point?
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 5:07 AM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah beta store orders are shipping by air this month. Regular channel
>> shipments will be August and a mix of air and sea.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:07 PM Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I believe the first set of these were available via their Beta Store.
>>>
>>> We can ask Hal to chime in with the official answer  :)
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
>>>
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 19, 2017 12:44:55 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links
>>>
>>> Are the 2.5 units out yet? All the distributors I checked are still
>>> listing them as pre-order.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <
>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> So typical issues with new product lines coming thur..
>>>> Gen 1  tends to be a good attempt but often issues are found and worked
>>>> out.
>>>> Gen 2  tends to have the 'fixes'
>>>> Gen 3  has improvements (actual).
>>>>
>>>> Another trend that we see is that lots of mfg are having the practice
>>>> of introducing 'improvements' in the product line, without making a lot of
>>>> noise (I can understand the reasoning for it).
>>>>
>>>> So, I what I shared earlier was on the basis of having some first hand
>>>> information about internal improvements (and I am not talking about the
>>>> 'hardware lockup bug'... they have redesigned and improved the 60ghz
>>>> antenna on the newer units and that is why I specifically stated the 2.5
>>>> unit)...
>>>>
>>>> (FYI, I have a couple of units that are supposed to go up on a 1.1 mile
>>>> link, next to an AF24 for testing... as soon as time permits).
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>>
>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>>
>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 19, 2017 10:15:06 AM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links
>>>>
>>>> I actually tried using Metrolinqs on half of this link when they first
>>>> came out, but I was never able to get it to even link... but I'm not sure
>>>> if the 64.8ghz channel was supported at the time, so maybe it would be
>>>> different now?
>>>>
>>>> I guess a realistic option might be to split the 24ghz link to two hops
>>>> as well, which should easily get the availability I want, and then bond it
>>>> to a 60ghz link to add capacity...
>>>>
>>>> Speaking of bonding, it looks like the Siklu 2x00 series only has 1Gbps
>>>> ports... so I'm assuming to get full capacity I would have to bond two
>>>> ports together? They aren't doing like Ubiquiti and calling 1Gbps full
>>>> duplex 2Gbps are they?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>
>> Harold Bledsoe
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links

2017-07-20 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Yeah beta store orders are shipping by air this month. Regular channel
shipments will be August and a mix of air and sea.

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 12:07 PM Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
wrote:

> I believe the first set of these were available via their Beta Store.
>
> We can ask Hal to chime in with the official answer  :)
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 19, 2017 12:44:55 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links
>
> Are the 2.5 units out yet? All the distributors I checked are still
> listing them as pre-order.
>
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> wrote:
>
> So typical issues with new product lines coming thur..
>> Gen 1  tends to be a good attempt but often issues are found and worked
>> out.
>> Gen 2  tends to have the 'fixes'
>> Gen 3  has improvements (actual).
>>
>> Another trend that we see is that lots of mfg are having the practice of
>> introducing 'improvements' in the product line, without making a lot of
>> noise (I can understand the reasoning for it).
>>
>> So, I what I shared earlier was on the basis of having some first hand
>> information about internal improvements (and I am not talking about the
>> 'hardware lockup bug'... they have redesigned and improved the 60ghz
>> antenna on the newer units and that is why I specifically stated the 2.5
>> unit)...
>>
>> (FYI, I have a couple of units that are supposed to go up on a 1.1 mile
>> link, next to an AF24 for testing... as soon as time permits).
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 19, 2017 10:15:06 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 70/80ghz links
>>
>> I actually tried using Metrolinqs on half of this link when they first
>> came out, but I was never able to get it to even link... but I'm not sure
>> if the 64.8ghz channel was supported at the time, so maybe it would be
>> different now?
>>
>> I guess a realistic option might be to split the 24ghz link to two hops
>> as well, which should easily get the availability I want, and then bond it
>> to a 60ghz link to add capacity...
>>
>> Speaking of bonding, it looks like the Siklu 2x00 series only has 1Gbps
>> ports... so I'm assuming to get full capacity I would have to bond two
>> ports together? They aren't doing like Ubiquiti and calling 1Gbps full
>> duplex 2Gbps are they?
>>
>>
>> --

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

2017-06-27 Thread Harold Bledsoe

I'd say zero is not possible with any network. Lightning strikes, fiber
gets cut, core routers die, etc. Murphy is very resourceful. 

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:38 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> 1. What is acceptable downtime on pure 60GHz.  It is possible to
> engineering it to practically no downtime although less economical.
>
>
> Zero.  If it goes down the phone will ring.  With a well designed and
> installed Canopy system there was no downtime.
>
>
> 2. What is the acceptable backup bandwidth?  If there is at least SOME
> internet available during 4-5" rains, is that acceptable?
>
> If you are talking about something built in, then the acceptable backup is
> whatever fools the customer into thinking that Netflix is not impacted.
>
>
>
-- 

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

2017-06-27 Thread Harold Bledsoe

--
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, June 26, 2017 10:12:19 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
> Any drop is going to cause a headache.  If it drops more than say... dish
> network or direct tv due to thunderstorms etc it is not going to work for
> my customers.
>
> Time will tell.  I will not be an early adopter.
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 9:07 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/posts/956205354504917?match=cmFpbg%3D%3D
>
> There are a few states that don't have the rainfall information available
> (Texas and the NW), but it's fairly "easy" to see how often your link
> should be dropping for how much rain.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, June 26, 2017 10:05:13 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
> I am waiting to hear from folks in Florida how 60 GHz does during heavy
> rains.  I remain a 60 GHz luddite.
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway
> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 8:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
>
> I’m not dissing 60GHz, I’m all for it.  Just not the way they are planning
> on to do it and the costs involved.  It’s just one tool in the toolbox that
> you need.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 6:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
>
>
> As with all things, past performance may not be indicative of future
> performance.  ;-)
>
>
>
> There is a lot of innovation happening in the mmwave space that will
> change and is already changing suburban and urban deployments.  Just look
> at what you can already do with Galactus right?
>
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:34 AM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> They are looking at using 60GHz which they have been testing.  Considering
> they already went through $50 or $60M and only have 20,000 customers, I'm
> thinking it's not a winning profit model.  Not being cynical, just
> realistic after seeing their last efforts.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:38 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
> There are some folks working on some very interesting possibilities ...
>
> Late nite sessions in the Hotel Lobby at WISPAmerica Memphis, there was a
> very interesting conversation with a couple of VIVINT R guys. The
> conversation got everyone's interest, when VIVINT fellow made a statement
> like.. We are working on a goal of network design and products which would
> allow us to build and deliver Gigabit service to each Home, via fixed
> Wireless... (Ok so far so good), and we believe we can do this at approx
> sub $100 / month recurring service, with a $300/$400 per sub hardware cost.
> (Hm now that got everyone attention).
>
> They said they are actively looking at using their buying power in
> bringing costs down for such a network hardware build out for all of us...
>
> It was a great discussion, there were a  couple of handful of folks there,
> some money guys, Steve Coran, and a few others... After a little bit more
> questions and answers, and exploitative exchange, I found myself saying ...
> yes they are correct, this is doable with (not right now) but in the very
> near future if one considers the development of what is coming down the
> pikes and the possible disruptive pricing.
>
>
> So having

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

2017-06-26 Thread Harold Bledsoe

As with all things, past performance may not be indicative of future
performance.  ;-)

There is a lot of innovation happening in the mmwave space that will change
and is already changing suburban and urban deployments.  Just look at what
you can already do with Galactus right?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:34 AM Rory Conaway  wrote:

> They are looking at using 60GHz which they have been testing.  Considering
> they already went through $50 or $60M and only have 20,000 customers, I'm
> thinking it's not a winning profit model.  Not being cynical, just
> realistic after seeing their last efforts.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:38 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
> There are some folks working on some very interesting possibilities ...
>
> Late nite sessions in the Hotel Lobby at WISPAmerica Memphis, there was a
> very interesting conversation with a couple of VIVINT R guys. The
> conversation got everyone's interest, when VIVINT fellow made a statement
> like.. We are working on a goal of network design and products which would
> allow us to build and deliver Gigabit service to each Home, via fixed
> Wireless... (Ok so far so good), and we believe we can do this at approx
> sub $100 / month recurring service, with a $300/$400 per sub hardware cost.
> (Hm now that got everyone attention).
>
> They said they are actively looking at using their buying power in
> bringing costs down for such a network hardware build out for all of us...
>
> It was a great discussion, there were a  couple of handful of folks there,
> some money guys, Steve Coran, and a few others... After a little bit more
> questions and answers, and exploitative exchange, I found myself saying ...
> yes they are correct, this is doable with (not right now) but in the very
> near future if one considers the development of what is coming down the
> pikes and the possible disruptive pricing.
>
>
> So having said that, I don't know the specifics of this particular Silicon
> Valley WISP's funding, however if they share a similar goal, then yes, it
> would be a good proposition for them and their investors.
>
> Seeing the implementation with micro pops, and Mimosa Gear, delivering
> 100-150meg for residential subscribers is doable and has a pretty decent
> ROI, knowing a little bit about what else is in the works with Mimosa and
> others, including 60-75ghz, yes, the bar for what can be done with Fixed
> Wireless is definitely getting raised
>
> Is it for everyone ? probably not, but doing such network will require
> re-thinking many aspects of the traditional network build-outs, that is for
> sure.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Adam Moffett" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 8:18:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
> > That's similar to what I was thinking, but you have more detail.
> >
> > "Mesh" as a routing topology is old, tried, and true.  A mesh topology
> > composed of solid PTP connections is a perfectly good idea.
> > "Mesh" meaning wifi with WDS can't scale for a service provider and is
> > guaranteed to fail in the long run.
> >
> > However, when they say only a few people in the neighborhood need an
> > installation because we're going to build a mesh, then I'm inclined to
> > think they're talking about the second thing.
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: 6/25/2017 5:30:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
> >
> >>Context, context context...
> >>
> >>everyone has a different picture in their mind when the word "Mesh" is
> >>mentioned. However not everyone out there is 'stupid' as everyone here
> >>is making them out to be... Yes, there are those in the industry who
> >>simply what OPM (other peoples money) irrespective of any stated end
> >>goal
> >>
> >>Having said that, we are starting to see "multi-radio" AP's, so to
> >>answer your question, using a traditional single radio concept, the
> >>answer would be NO... however if you think of 'multi-radio' units,
> >>then the equation can change drastically
> >>
> >>For those who want to understand this concept better, take a look at
> >>what Xirrus did/does for high density Wifi deployment, granted they
> >>get a premium for their stuff, but their "AP" are multi-radio units,
> >>2/4/8/16 with some combination of 2.4Ghz & 5Ghz... so fast forward
> >>technology, think of a multi-radio AP, using multiple

Re: [AFMUG] Li-ion Battery Backup

2017-06-22 Thread Harold Bledsoe

And if you don't charge it right  ;-)

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:11 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Depending on how you figure li-ion battery voltage (I use 3.7 volts per
> cell; I've seen some others say 3.6 volts per cell), it will take 13 li-ion
> batteries to make 48 volts.
>
> The big issue that I can imagine is that li-ion have a completely
> different charging profile from SLA batteries. I don't know whether it
> would be better to try to build an array at 48 volts, or go for something
> much larger (say 480 volts), and do a DC-DC converter to get whatever
> voltage you want on the other side.
>
> This will be an interesting discussion.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 6/22/2017 11:36 AM, Chris Wright wrote:
>
> Lithium Ion batteries are getting so cheap these days itï¿½s tempting to
> fabricate a battery bank out of them and use them for backup power. Do they
> behave well with constant voltage running through them supplied by a
> typical Mean Well AC to DC Converter, or would a special maintainer with an
> automatic transfer switch be required?
>
> ï¿½
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> ï¿½
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] This Is the Biggest News in Electricity Since the LightBulb -- Seriously

2017-06-05 Thread Harold Bledsoe

The article is light on those facts.  I don't think lead acid can hit these
numbers though.  I'd guess 1500 cycles at 80% DOD optimistically.  So you'd
need to replace it 4-5 times over 20 years.  Even at $100/KWH battery cost
for lead acid, it blows up to $400-500 over 20 years.  That's 7+ cents cost.

Maybe pumped hydro or something more like that?

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 11:53 AM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, but why would they be using that kind of batteries? It seems to me
> that something like the salt water batteries, or even some variant of lead
> acid would be a lot more practical for this kind of thing... assuming
> they're using batteries at all.
>
> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I thought the $230 was just the manufacturing cost, not including the
>> capital costs.For example, the 60KWH battery in the Bolt costs between
>> $13000 and $13900 depending on the article.
>>
>> The real problem with most of the batteries is that you have to know what
>> percentage of charge is part of the equation.  For example, the Leaf
>> original battery was probably something like 800 charges with 80% of the
>> battery storage still there.  Tesla is advertising much longer life and
>> supposedly has 95% of the battery life after 8 years and something like
>> 2000 charges.  But the reality is we don’t know how many extra cells are in
>> a Tesla battery pack to maintain that illusion.  If they added 5% more
>> cells than the rated charge, maybe they just bring them into the folod to
>> make it look like the battery isn’t getting older (I kind of suspected that
>> and GM confirmed they are doing the same thing also with the Bolt).  The
>> catch with all these numbers is how much of the battery gets charged to
>> maximum life and how partial charges factor in.
>>
>> With our Leaf, we always charged to 100% and lost 2 of the 12 cells
>> within 45,000 miles.  Tesla recommends only 80% charges since full charges
>> seem to shorten battery life.  GM was keeping the Volt battery between 30%
>> and 80% to maximum life.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 5, 2017 7:43 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] This Is the Biggest News in Electricity Since the
>> LightBulb -- Seriously
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think this is the right comparison unit.  $230 is the capital,
>> up-front cost per KWH for the car.  4.5 cents would be some kind of 20 year
>> operational usage cost.  It still seems hard to make money at that price
>> though.  How many cycles can you get from a Li car battery?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 2:11 AM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Considering that battery costs right now are at $230 per KWH for electric
>> cars, I’m kind of not buying that.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 4, 2017 11:08 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] This Is the Biggest News in Electricity Since the
>> LightBulb -- Seriously
>>
>>
>>
>> The monumental breakthrough is the cost per KWH. They're saying 4.5 cents
>> per KWH. That is a big deal.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/4/2017 1:25 PM, Jeremy wrote:
>>
>> Apparently 'solar-plus' is just the process of storing energy in large
>> banks of batteries and then using it during peak hours when energy costs
>> more.  I am not finding the monumental breakthrough here
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2017 10:11 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I heard about these giant rubber bands...
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/3/2017 7:00 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> It doesn’t say how they are storing the energy.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 03, 2017 3:20 PM
>>
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] This Is the Biggest News in Electricity Since the
>> LightBulb -- Seriously
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fool.com%2Finvesting%2F2017%2F06%2F03%2Fthis-is-the-biggest-news-in-electricity-since-the.aspx#pt0-845273
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] This Is the Biggest News in Electricity Since the LightBulb -- Seriously

2017-06-05 Thread Harold Bledsoe

I don't think this is the right comparison unit.  $230 is the capital,
up-front cost per KWH for the car.  4.5 cents would be some kind of 20 year
operational usage cost.  It still seems hard to make money at that price
though.  How many cycles can you get from a Li car battery?

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 2:11 AM Rory Conaway  wrote:

> Considering that battery costs right now are at $230 per KWH for electric
> cars, I’m kind of not buying that.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 4, 2017 11:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] This Is the Biggest News in Electricity Since the
> LightBulb -- Seriously
>
>
>
> The monumental breakthrough is the cost per KWH. They're saying 4.5 cents
> per KWH. That is a big deal.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 6/4/2017 1:25 PM, Jeremy wrote:
>
> Apparently 'solar-plus' is just the process of storing energy in large
> banks of batteries and then using it during peak hours when energy costs
> more.  I am not finding the monumental breakthrough here
>
>
>
> On Jun 4, 2017 10:11 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:
>
> I heard about these giant rubber bands...
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 6/3/2017 7:00 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> It doesn’t say how they are storing the energy.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 03, 2017 3:20 PM
>
> *To:* Animal Farm
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] This Is the Biggest News in Electricity Since the
> LightBulb -- Seriously
>
>
>
>
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fool.com%2Finvesting%2F2017%2F06%2F03%2Fthis-is-the-biggest-news-in-electricity-since-the.aspx#pt0-845273
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Cloud

2017-05-31 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Google cloud is definitely lower cost than AWS.  We use them at IgniteNet
and been very happy.  We started on Digital Ocean.  It seemed more for
tinkering.

-Hal

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 12:20 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Speaking of cloud based, has anyone used Google Cloud? I have been getting
> emails and just looked into it. The pricing seems to cheap to be true. I
> ditched Amazon AppStream2.0 when I forgot to turn off my app and received a
> $650 bill for leaving it up all month. They refunded the money since I had
> documented my troubles making their deployment tool working but the point
> is it's expensive. I can host a real sever at a data center for less than
> that. Below are examples of "monthly standard machine" pricing. They have
> customer and by minute billing if you can do it that way. I don't know if
> they can schedule start and stop times for instances.
> Machine typeVirtual CPUsMemoryPrice (USD)Preemptible price (USD)
> n1-standard-1 1 3.75GB $24.2725 $7.30
> n1-standard-2 2 7.5GB $48.55 $14.60
> n1-standard-4 4 15GB $97.09 $29.20
>  They have others as well. Anyway, anyone used them, know anything about
> them, etc?
>

Re: [AFMUG] extending fiber with RF

2017-05-23 Thread Harold Bledsoe

How about 60ghz to the first house and 5ghz to the second house and run
Trill to create a ring?

Does using multiple new technologies instead of just one make it seem less
risky? 

Hal

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 3:47 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Scared of new technology.
> Seems a bit too long range for that freq.
> Worried about not enough time has elapsed to prove them out.
> They sound expensive.
> Everybody knows 60 GHz is all absorbed by the oxygen anyhow...
> Not sure God would approve...
>
> You all the same normal reasons...
>
> *From:* Brett A Mansfield
> *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 1:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] extending fiber with RF
> For so little throughput a 5GHz setup would be the cheapest and probably
> best setup.
>
> What keeps you from being a believer of the 60GHz? I can show you the
> history of some of my Ignitenet links that may just change your mind.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On May 22, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Not a believer yet.  And we only need 100-250 Mbps max to the homes.
> Actually probably more like 50 or 100 Mbps.
> Want it to be simple too.  ONT has multiple ethernet ports on it.  Just
> extend those physical layer 0/1 connections.
>
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Monday, May 22, 2017 1:34 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] extending fiber with RF
>
> What about a couple of 60GHz links with a single 5GHz AP as a backup? We
> did this for a bank that needed to connect two buildings temporarily. Put a
> MT on either side that ran IPSEC tunnel over the link with a failover
> script to route traffic over the 5 GHz link if the 60 lost more than 50% of
> it's packets. The 5 GHz was slower, but they still had connectivity in the
> even of a heavy rain.
>
> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Still puzzling over how to get ethernet the last 3000 feet.  I have fiber
>> to a point along a rural road.  The end is about 2000 feet from one home
>> and 3000 feet from another.
>>
>> Was looking at using the existing copper with VDSL line extenders.  That
>> was what that week of math problems was all about.  I am starting to lean
>> away from that solution because it is old copper.  I really want to stop
>> using it.
>>
>> I don’t have a ROW that is legal.  The old copper technically is in
>> trespass and the owner of the property is known to be a major PITA.  So not
>> sure if I can get permission.  Even then, we are talking about 5000 feet of
>> fiber to place.  There will be some money involved.
>>
>> Using wireless could be much cheaper.  Will have to do a solar install
>> with the ONT and RF gear on a stub pole at the handhole.
>>
>> Not sure what kid of RF.  Don’t want to use an AP because I need two
>> layer 2 connections from the ONT.  Be more expensive to use an AP anyhow.
>> So two PTP systems.  Rock solid, never fail type of system.   Noise floor
>> down there is probably pretty low.
>> I could use a pair of rockets etc.  Not wanting to lo-ball this, want it
>> to be very solid.
>>
>> What would you use?
>>
>
>
> --

Harold Bledsoe

[AFMUG] Ethernet over coax

2017-05-22 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Hi folks,

It's that time again - looking for brave, er I mean beta users for an
ethernet over coax system.  The same one could be used for phone line later.

The protocol is based on g.hn so it can support PTMP on the system.

Please shoot me a note offlist and I'll get you added.

Thanks,
-Hal

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

2017-05-09 Thread Harold Bledsoe

It probably could be made legally but really it wouldn't be very cost
effective.  RFIC is probably the most cost effective.

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 5:07 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Wonder who will be first to make a 5Ghz to 60GHz UDC?Is it even legal?
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Eric Muehleisen <ericm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Is the 5ghz backup radio enabled and transmitting all the time or does it
>> only come on during fade events. I would hate to chew up valuable 5ghz
>> spectrum to be used only 00.01% of the time.
>>
>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> High level, think fiber to the pole and wireless last few hundred
>>> meters. Basically everything is street level in that case.
>>>
>>> You can do fixed wireless off of 60GHz and maybe 5GHz. Wi-Fi then for
>>> best effort service.
>>>
>>> One thing to keep in mind is that in a lot of cities, half the folks
>>> don't have broadband at home. Wi-Fi service could be the economical
>>> solution. :-)
>>>
>>> 60GHz is for achieving gigabit levels of service.
>>>
>>> Hal
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:54 AM Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is this angie thing… can’t wrap my head around it yet
>>>>
>>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Harold Bledsoe <
>>>> hbledso...@gmail.com>
>>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 8:00 AM
>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
>>>> Hey Sterling,
>>>>
>>>> No worries, we will have 15 CPE per sector support in mid June
>>>> (software update).  The next step will be 32 (another software update).  
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> -Hal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>> President
>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 4:29 PM Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't have a problem with their range or capacity.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I do have an issue with current specs is that it is one AP to 8
>>>>> clients.
>>>>>
>>>>> I need this to be more in the 'normal' range of an AP to 15-30 clients
>>>>> or more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given the higher bandwidth, it would be a lot easier to spread a
>>>>> 1000Mbps connection around to 30-100 clients than the 5GHz 100Mbps to the
>>>>> same client number.
>>>>>
>>>>> Law of averages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, though, I can see that being a CPU/processor limited thing in
>>>>> current radio designs for lower frequencies.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 2:21 PM
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
>>>>>
>>>>> The top reasons that come to mind right away are:
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) Range. How close can you tolerate? It's not going to go very far
>>>>> in a PMP environment. Maybe a few hundred yards. If there are trees, 
>>>>> forget
>>>>> about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> (2) Modulation. Don't expect something in that frequency to be doing
>>>>> higher level modulations. Because you can run ginormous channels, maybe 
>>>>> not
>>>>> a big deal, but I wouldn't count on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> (3) Costs. Getting things to run at that frequency would probably
>>>>> require higher end components.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> bp
>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/8/2017 1:05 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>>>>> > What am I missing here?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Can't Cambium and UBNT and others simply overlay the same radio
>>>>> architecture/software they have developed over a decade, on top of a 60GHz
>>>>> radio instead of 5Ghz?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Is there some fundamental problem with using the same PHY later
>>>>> protocols on 60GHz vs 5GHz?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>
>>> Harold Bledsoe
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

2017-05-09 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Hey Eric,

It transmits enough to maintain the link (<0.1% of airtime).  So it should
not cause problems with coexistence on the same channel.

-Hal

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:34 PM Eric Muehleisen <ericm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is the 5ghz backup radio enabled and transmitting all the time or does it
> only come on during fade events. I would hate to chew up valuable 5ghz
> spectrum to be used only 00.01% of the time.
>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> High level, think fiber to the pole and wireless last few hundred meters.
>> Basically everything is street level in that case.
>>
>> You can do fixed wireless off of 60GHz and maybe 5GHz. Wi-Fi then for
>> best effort service.
>>
>> One thing to keep in mind is that in a lot of cities, half the folks
>> don't have broadband at home. Wi-Fi service could be the economical
>> solution. :-)
>>
>> 60GHz is for achieving gigabit levels of service.
>>
>> Hal
>>
>
>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:54 AM Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What is this angie thing… can’t wrap my head around it yet
>>>
>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Harold Bledsoe <
>>> hbledso...@gmail.com>
>>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 8:00 AM
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
>>> Hey Sterling,
>>>
>>> No worries, we will have 15 CPE per sector support in mid June (software
>>> update).  The next step will be 32 (another software update).  :-)
>>>
>>> -Hal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 4:29 PM Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't have a problem with their range or capacity.
>>>>
>>>> What I do have an issue with current specs is that it is one AP to 8
>>>> clients.
>>>>
>>>> I need this to be more in the 'normal' range of an AP to 15-30 clients
>>>> or more.
>>>>
>>>> Given the higher bandwidth, it would be a lot easier to spread a
>>>> 1000Mbps connection around to 30-100 clients than the 5GHz 100Mbps to the
>>>> same client number.
>>>>
>>>> Law of averages.
>>>>
>>>> Again, though, I can see that being a CPU/processor limited thing in
>>>> current radio designs for lower frequencies.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 2:21 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
>>>>
>>>> The top reasons that come to mind right away are:
>>>>
>>>> (1) Range. How close can you tolerate? It's not going to go very far in
>>>> a PMP environment. Maybe a few hundred yards. If there are trees, forget
>>>> about it.
>>>>
>>>> (2) Modulation. Don't expect something in that frequency to be doing
>>>> higher level modulations. Because you can run ginormous channels, maybe not
>>>> a big deal, but I wouldn't count on it.
>>>>
>>>> (3) Costs. Getting things to run at that frequency would probably
>>>> require higher end components.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/8/2017 1:05 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>>>> > What am I missing here?
>>>> >
>>>> > Can't Cambium and UBNT and others simply overlay the same radio
>>>> architecture/software they have developed over a decade, on top of a 60GHz
>>>> radio instead of 5Ghz?
>>>> >
>>>> > Is there some fundamental problem with using the same PHY later
>>>> protocols on 60GHz vs 5GHz?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>
>> Harold Bledsoe
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

2017-05-09 Thread Harold Bledsoe

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-fired_ceramic

Is what we use now. Specifically the LTCC variety.

There's pros and cons. It is possible to use something like Teflon like you
said and we started there but now prefer ceramics.

Hal

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 3:56 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> That is for certain, gotta use exotic substrates.  Not sure even teflon is
> good at that freq.
>
> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 09, 2017 1:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
> Yep and also the materials matter a lot. No FR4 for these babies...
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 10:59 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> All antenna designs scale.  Things are just much smaller at this
>> frequency.
>>
>> *From:* Joe Novak
>> *Sent:* Monday, May 08, 2017 7:39 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
>> I have read that building a 60ghz antenna is a whole new ball game of
>> complicated compared to other bands. Until recently 60ghz antennas where
>> built SOC style, directly on the PCB of the board next to or on the radio
>> itself. I believe this may actually still be the case. Ignitenet's design
>> is based on this smartly utilizing some tricks in the 'feed horn' of the
>> radio from what I recall. I can't find the articles I was reading of
>> course, but it came up when people had taken apart the Ignitenet radio and
>> saw the usb dongle that was used, however, for cost effective 60ghz I'm not
>> sure what else exists for the market.
>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The power taps are what would kill anything but a very dense deployment.
>>> Anything less and you'd be better off just running fiber.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 8, 2017, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>> I think the 30 degree sector Ignitenet has is something like 18dbi, vs
>>>> 25dbi for their bigger directional... I tried to get a pair of Metrolinqs
>>>> to work at just under a mile (which should theoretically work), but I never
>>>> could get them to link. I tested at about half that distance and it worked
>>>> fine... I don't remember what the signal was, but I thought at the time
>>>> that it would probably link with 17dbi less antenna. Even so, 1000' should
>>>> be workable, which still has a lot of potential. I've been toying with the
>>>> idea of putting them on street lights - I'm thinking you could do something
>>>> like one 30 degree sector at the end of each street and cover a block or
>>>> two.
>>>>
>>>> Heck, even if you only figured 500'-1000', you could build a network
>>>> pretty cheaply using street lights.
>>>>
>>>> Of course it is only going to be useful in pretty specific areas... at
>>>> the majority of our towers 60ghz is going to be completely worthless, but I
>>>> can certainly find places where it would work.
>>>>
>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>> Even if it existed 2000 ft is wildly optimistic. 60 GHz works at 600
>>>>> meters (just about 2000 ft for you Americans) between two PTP dishes
>>>>> because you have 44-45dBi gain dishes on both ends. Would not be the case
>>>>> with any sort of 60 GHz sector antenna, you'd be looking at much less 
>>>>> gain.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Very location specific. None of our towers would be able to serve
>>>>>> anyone with that kind of range.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/8/2017 2:15 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed... don't underestimate what can be done with a 2000' range. I
>>>>>> can probably cover a hundred houses with that from the tower next to 
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> I'm sitting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

2017-05-09 Thread Harold Bledsoe

High level, think fiber to the pole and wireless last few hundred meters.
Basically everything is street level in that case.

You can do fixed wireless off of 60GHz and maybe 5GHz. Wi-Fi then for best
effort service.

One thing to keep in mind is that in a lot of cities, half the folks don't
have broadband at home. Wi-Fi service could be the economical solution. :-)

60GHz is for achieving gigabit levels of service.

Hal

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:54 AM Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:

> What is this angie thing… can’t wrap my head around it yet
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Harold Bledsoe <
> hbledso...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 8:00 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
> Hey Sterling,
>
> No worries, we will have 15 CPE per sector support in mid June (software
> update).  The next step will be 32 (another software update).  :-)
>
> -Hal
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 4:29 PM Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't have a problem with their range or capacity.
>>
>> What I do have an issue with current specs is that it is one AP to 8
>> clients.
>>
>> I need this to be more in the 'normal' range of an AP to 15-30 clients or
>> more.
>>
>> Given the higher bandwidth, it would be a lot easier to spread a 1000Mbps
>> connection around to 30-100 clients than the 5GHz 100Mbps to the same
>> client number.
>>
>> Law of averages.
>>
>> Again, though, I can see that being a CPU/processor limited thing in
>> current radio designs for lower frequencies.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 2:21 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
>>
>> The top reasons that come to mind right away are:
>>
>> (1) Range. How close can you tolerate? It's not going to go very far in a
>> PMP environment. Maybe a few hundred yards. If there are trees, forget
>> about it.
>>
>> (2) Modulation. Don't expect something in that frequency to be doing
>> higher level modulations. Because you can run ginormous channels, maybe not
>> a big deal, but I wouldn't count on it.
>>
>> (3) Costs. Getting things to run at that frequency would probably require
>> higher end components.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 5/8/2017 1:05 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>> > What am I missing here?
>> >
>> > Can't Cambium and UBNT and others simply overlay the same radio
>> architecture/software they have developed over a decade, on top of a 60GHz
>> radio instead of 5Ghz?
>> >
>> > Is there some fundamental problem with using the same PHY later
>> protocols on 60GHz vs 5GHz?
>>
>> --

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

2017-05-09 Thread Harold Bledsoe

>>>>>>
>>>>>> What costs me is the last mile backbone that winds across streets and
>>>>>> through ROW in front of houses etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is the majority of my costs right there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I can get in with ‘normal’ wireless pricing per AP/CPE but at
>>>>>> 1000Mbps I can do the hybrid model easily at much less costs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It will be amazing for potential customers at the moment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Might not hold up over time as bandwidth needs increase, but provides
>>>>>> an immediate solution at a fraction of the cost of fiber, with the ‘feel’
>>>>>> of fiber.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin
>>>>>> Stanners
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 8, 2017 2:29 PM
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many places do you want to install a PtMP system that goes a
>>>>>> maximum of 1000-2000ft distance, that fiber does not work?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>>>> President
>>>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Sterling Jacobson <
>>>>>> sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What am I missing here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can't Cambium and UBNT and others simply overlay the same radio
>>>>>> architecture/software they have developed over a decade, on top of a 
>>>>>> 60GHz
>>>>>> radio instead of 5Ghz?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there some fundamental problem with using the same PHY later
>>>>>> protocols on 60GHz vs 5GHz?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> --

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

2017-05-09 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Hey Sterling,

No worries, we will have 15 CPE per sector support in mid June (software
update).  The next step will be 32 (another software update).  :-)

-Hal

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 4:29 PM Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> I don't have a problem with their range or capacity.
>
> What I do have an issue with current specs is that it is one AP to 8
> clients.
>
> I need this to be more in the 'normal' range of an AP to 15-30 clients or
> more.
>
> Given the higher bandwidth, it would be a lot easier to spread a 1000Mbps
> connection around to 30-100 clients than the 5GHz 100Mbps to the same
> client number.
>
> Law of averages.
>
> Again, though, I can see that being a CPU/processor limited thing in
> current radio designs for lower frequencies.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 2:21 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?
>
> The top reasons that come to mind right away are:
>
> (1) Range. How close can you tolerate? It's not going to go very far in a
> PMP environment. Maybe a few hundred yards. If there are trees, forget
> about it.
>
> (2) Modulation. Don't expect something in that frequency to be doing
> higher level modulations. Because you can run ginormous channels, maybe not
> a big deal, but I wouldn't count on it.
>
> (3) Costs. Getting things to run at that frequency would probably require
> higher end components.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 5/8/2017 1:05 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
> > What am I missing here?
> >
> > Can't Cambium and UBNT and others simply overlay the same radio
> architecture/software they have developed over a decade, on top of a 60GHz
> radio instead of 5Ghz?
> >
> > Is there some fundamental problem with using the same PHY later
> protocols on 60GHz vs 5GHz?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

2017-05-09 Thread Harold Bledsoe

There's a lot more "tools" coming this year that will continue to make
building gigabit wireless networks with 60GHz easier and easier.  With
today's tools it is already possible to build 500m radius cells @ 99.99% in
rain zone K - even with a resi-friendly 8in. size.  If you bump that up to
1' size, you can get to 2500' (750m) radius.

Besides the 30º sector we have today, we will continue to add to this other
coverages and form factors.  That, combined with some other tools like
low-cost TRILL rbridges will make building these networks much easier.

Some folks are taking a different approach and doing high density cities:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/blueprint-building-5g-primed-fiber-backhauled-telecom-neal-lachman

There's other deployment models too including pure wireless ones.  There's
building wireless mesh/rings, there's using lower band licensed PTMP to
feed wireless rings, etc.

Thanks,
-Hal

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 6:09 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I think the 30 degree sector Ignitenet has is something like 18dbi, vs
> 25dbi for their bigger directional... I tried to get a pair of Metrolinqs
> to work at just under a mile (which should theoretically work), but I never
> could get them to link. I tested at about half that distance and it worked
> fine... I don't remember what the signal was, but I thought at the time
> that it would probably link with 17dbi less antenna. Even so, 1000' should
> be workable, which still has a lot of potential. I've been toying with the
> idea of putting them on street lights - I'm thinking you could do something
> like one 30 degree sector at the end of each street and cover a block or
> two.
>
> Heck, even if you only figured 500'-1000', you could build a network
> pretty cheaply using street lights.
>
> Of course it is only going to be useful in pretty specific areas... at the
> majority of our towers 60ghz is going to be completely worthless, but I can
> certainly find places where it would work.
>
> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> Even if it existed 2000 ft is wildly optimistic. 60 GHz works at 600
>> meters (just about 2000 ft for you Americans) between two PTP dishes
>> because you have 44-45dBi gain dishes on both ends. Would not be the case
>> with any sort of 60 GHz sector antenna, you'd be looking at much less gain.
>>
>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> Very location specific. None of our towers would be able to serve anyone
>>> with that kind of range.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/8/2017 2:15 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>
>>> Indeed... don't underestimate what can be done with a 2000' range. I can
>>> probably cover a hundred houses with that from the tower next to where I'm
>>> sitting.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I concur

 From: Af  on behalf of Sterling Jacobson <
 sterl...@avative.net>
 Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Date: Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM
 To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

 Lots.

 Lots of places.

 I’ve got, and can get fiber up main roads in neighborhoods very easily.

 What costs me is the last mile backbone that winds across streets and
 through ROW in front of houses etc.

 That is the majority of my costs right there.

 If I can get in with ‘normal’ wireless pricing per AP/CPE but at
 1000Mbps I can do the hybrid model easily at much less costs.

 It will be amazing for potential customers at the moment.

 Might not hold up over time as bandwidth needs increase, but provides
 an immediate solution at a fraction of the cost of fiber, with the ‘feel’
 of fiber.

 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
 Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
 *Sent:* Monday, May 8, 2017 2:29 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

 How many places do you want to install a PtMP system that goes a
 maximum of 1000-2000ft distance, that fiber does not work?

 *Gino A. Villarini*
 President
 Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

 On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
 wrote:

 What am I missing here?

 Can't Cambium and UBNT and others simply overlay the same radio
 architecture/software they have developed over a decade, on top of a 60GHz
 radio instead of 5Ghz?

 Is there some fundamental problem with using the same PHY later
 protocols on 60GHz vs 5GHz?

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Albuquerque

2017-04-27 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Who is operating here? Can you hit me off list?

Thanks,
Hal
-- 

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] New competition in town

2017-04-27 Thread Harold Bledsoe

One thing I learned fast growing up helping my dad build build houses
is...never open the bucket.  ;-)

On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 8:25 AM Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> Ha! The bucket serves as the climate controlled data center I assume.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> > On Apr 27, 2017, at 12:42 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> >
> > Seems legit to me...
> > 
> > 
> >
>

[AFMUG] IgniteNet / Angie press release

2017-04-19 Thread Harold Bledsoe

In case some of you find it interesting.  :-)

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/04/prweb14251893.htm

Thanks,
-Hal

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a few good beta testers

2017-04-12 Thread Harold Bledsoe

I'm not security expert by any means but why do we need to encrypt our
marketing website.  For example we don't force https on ignitenet.com but
then it doesn't really do much.  The cloud controller on the other hand is
encrypted and also intrusion tested.

It's easy to force https I suppose.  I'd just like to understand why.

-Hal

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:29 AM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not really, in my opinion, if you're selling a security related product
> and can't be bothered to have https on your marketing page...  It makes me
> wonder if you're doing proper TLS1.2 between your iphone/android app and
> your cloud based security product's hosted back end.
>
> It says maybe your IP/Ethernet enabled security product maybe wasn't
> designed by a company with the highest level of clue?
>
> https://letsencrypt.org/stats/
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 8:28 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> That seems like an arbitrary and silly stick to measure against.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 11, 2017 10:27:07 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Looking for a few good beta testers
>
> If you're advertising anything for security and don't have an
> https-enabled website (LetsEncrypt is free), it's hard to take seriously.
> Even if it's just marketing material.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> We have a new integration launching soon on the IgniteNet platform that is
> a home/business cloud video surveillance solution.  It essentially lets you
> as an operator offer a Nest-like video solution to your customers so you
> can get paid for what folks are going to do anyways over your network.
>
> We are looking for a handful of early adopters who would be interested to
> roll out something like this to beta test, give feedback, etc.  It would be
> great if you can hit me offlist if you want to try it out!
>
> http://na.smc.com/
>
> Highlights are here.  :-)
>
> Thanks,
> -Hal
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Looking for a few good beta testers

2017-04-11 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Hi folks,

We have a new integration launching soon on the IgniteNet platform that is
a home/business cloud video surveillance solution.  It essentially lets you
as an operator offer a Nest-like video solution to your customers so you
can get paid for what folks are going to do anyways over your network.

We are looking for a handful of early adopters who would be interested to
roll out something like this to beta test, give feedback, etc.  It would be
great if you can hit me offlist if you want to try it out!

http://na.smc.com/

Highlights are here.  :-)

Thanks,
-Hal

Re: [AFMUG] 802.11ay interview/info

2017-03-29 Thread Harold Bledsoe

What we've seen is that if you offer 20/100/500Mbps plans, the usage is
more or less the same but some folks need the fastest and just pay more.
 :-)

For better or worse, seems like everyone knows they want a gigabit now...

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:22 PM David Milholen <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

> The question I would ask is Who really needs gigabit to a home?
>
> Or for that matter a small to medium business?
>
>
> Numbers look cool when they get bigger especially when $$ are smaller
> behind them.
>
>
> I am just thinking of the days of making the best of what we have and
> making more with less.
>
>
>
>
> On 3/29/2017 7:21 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Who's that?
>
> One of our customers uses 11ad to let people deploy low cost gigabit
> wireless links. 11ay is really going to up that rate further to in excess
> of a gigabit per second and bring that cost down even more because I have
> 30Gbps at a node from which I can serve up a gigabit to 30 people.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Harold Bledsoe" <hbledso...@gmail.com> <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com> <af@afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:50:15 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 802.11ay interview/info
>
>
> http://www.networkworld.com/article/3184568/smartphones/802-11ay-wi-fi-it-s-going-to-be-a-very-scalable-spec.html
>
> Fun times ahead!  :-)
>
> -Hal
>
>
> --
>
-- 

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] 802.11ay interview/info

2017-03-29 Thread Harold Bledsoe

I suspect what's really held back TVWS is the lack of a more globally
adopted band. That's really what 2.4/5/60 all have in common.


On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 9:18 PM David Milholen <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:

> To add to my last
>
> 
>
> What I was getting at was a replacement for 900 band devices like these
> and smart meter resolve... Really DOH!
>
> 
>
> LOL
>
>
>
> On 3/29/2017 8:09 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote:
>
> ;-)
>
> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 8:21 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> Who's that?
>
> One of our customers uses 11ad to let people deploy low cost gigabit
> wireless links. 11ay is really going to up that rate further to in excess
> of a gigabit per second and bring that cost down even more because I have
> 30Gbps at a node from which I can serve up a gigabit to 30 people.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Harold Bledsoe" <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:50:15 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 802.11ay interview/info
>
>
>
> http://www.networkworld.com/article/3184568/smartphones/802-11ay-wi-fi-it-s-going-to-be-a-very-scalable-spec.html
>
> Fun times ahead!  :-)
>
> -Hal
>
>
> --
>
-- 

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] 802.11ay interview/info

2017-03-29 Thread Harold Bledsoe

;-)

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 8:21 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Who's that?
>
> One of our customers uses 11ad to let people deploy low cost gigabit
> wireless links. 11ay is really going to up that rate further to in excess
> of a gigabit per second and bring that cost down even more because I have
> 30Gbps at a node from which I can serve up a gigabit to 30 people.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Harold Bledsoe" <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 29, 2017 6:50:15 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 802.11ay interview/info
>
>
>
> http://www.networkworld.com/article/3184568/smartphones/802-11ay-wi-fi-it-s-going-to-be-a-very-scalable-spec.html
>
> Fun times ahead!  :-)
>
> -Hal
>

[AFMUG] 802.11ay interview/info

2017-03-29 Thread Harold Bledsoe

http://www.networkworld.com/article/3184568/smartphones/802-11ay-wi-fi-it-s-going-to-be-a-very-scalable-spec.html

Fun times ahead!  :-)

-Hal

Re: [AFMUG] MU-MIMO?

2017-03-18 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Indoor, outdoor, or both?

Hal

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 1:26 PM Jon Langeler <jon-ispli...@michwave.net>
wrote:

> So who besides Cambium is releasing something MU-MIMO this year?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
> --

Harold Bledsoe

[AFMUG] ROW bill

2017-03-14 Thread Harold Bledsoe

http://www.fiercetelecom.com/telecom/lawmakers-introduce-new-bill-to-accelerate-rural-broadband-deployments-highway-rights-way

Sounds pretty good at first glance but I didn't read the bill yet.  ;-)

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor AC to PoE

2017-03-10 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Nice, thanks Carl!

On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
wrote:

> We use PDA041B-48VB mounted inside the pole for 48VDC.  This is nice
> because the electrician can wire it up at the base of the pole and my guys
> can run DC up to whatever.
>
> If you want POE, connect it to a POE injector or a 6 mini in a 6 mini case
> located up top.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> We are getting a fairly large number of requests for an outdoor devices
> that can accept AC power and provide PoE out.  A typical application is
> tapping power from street lights/poles.
>
> If we make something we'd like to accommodate as many applications as
> possible.  If something already exists for this please let me know (of if
> Chuck wants to make it I'm cool with that too!).
>
> Option 1: AC in, a few sets of PoEs out (so for example, 3 separate pairs
> of PoE injector ports = data in, data + DC out).  Let's call this one the
> dumb option.
>
> Option 2: an outdoor switch with an uplink and a few PoE ports out.  This
> one could be smarter but would be a little higher cost.
>
> Option 3: you'll never use this because it requires a high voltage
> license/permit in your area and not worth the hassle.
>
> Thanks!
> -Hal
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>

[AFMUG] Outdoor AC to PoE

2017-03-10 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Hi folks,

We are getting a fairly large number of requests for an outdoor devices
that can accept AC power and provide PoE out.  A typical application is
tapping power from street lights/poles.

If we make something we'd like to accommodate as many applications as
possible.  If something already exists for this please let me know (of if
Chuck wants to make it I'm cool with that too!).

Option 1: AC in, a few sets of PoEs out (so for example, 3 separate pairs
of PoE injector ports = data in, data + DC out).  Let's call this one the
dumb option.

Option 2: an outdoor switch with an uplink and a few PoE ports out.  This
one could be smarter but would be a little higher cost.

Option 3: you'll never use this because it requires a high voltage
license/permit in your area and not worth the hassle.

Thanks!
-Hal

Re: [AFMUG] 802.11ay moving forward

2017-02-27 Thread Harold Bledsoe

I thought you guys would enjoy this.  :-)

I'm personally excited about this technology advancing.  We will find ways
and places to use it.  One nice thing about 60GHz is that it does not
escape the building.  It isn't good for room to room either.

It is good for hundreds of meters of LOS connectivity though.  I'm sure we
can use it somewhere...

Also expect to see devices this year with 11ad built-in.  TBD on the
ramp-up but every device that can connect to 60GHz means 5GHz is offloaded!

-Hal

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 3:54 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Because 802.11ad has been such a resounding success and customers demanded
> more!
>
>
>
> When they suggest wireless displays as an application, I think wouldn’t it
> be nice if satellite and cable TV companies used 60 GHz instead of 5 GHz
> for their wireless receivers, but I assume 60 GHz isn’t great for
> room-to-room?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 26, 2017 2:54 AM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 802.11ay moving forward
>
>
>
>
> http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/spec-for-ieee-802-11ay-is-in-development-stages-wifi-going-176-gbs.html
>
>
>
> ;-)
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>

[AFMUG] 802.11ay moving forward

2017-02-26 Thread Harold Bledsoe

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/spec-for-ieee-802-11ay-is-in-development-stages-wifi-going-176-gbs.html

;-)
-- 

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] 5G

2017-02-23 Thread Harold Bledsoe

LOL yes!

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 7:50 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> What is this “CD” of which you speak?  Is that some sort of physical
> media?  That you would actually pay for?  And not stream from the cloud?
>
>
>
> I’m vaguely remembering something called a Sony Discman.  Track a spinning
> disc with a laser while running or exercising.  Yeah, that’ll work great.
>
>
>
> I’m hearing of a new technology called VINYL that is all the rage with the
> kids, maybe I need to check that out.
>
>
>
> Anyway, I think this is the last CD I bought:
>
> https://www.amazon.com/KIN-KT-Tunstall/dp/B01J3SK1O4
>
> Like most albums, 3-4 good tracks.  So I do see the logic in buying
> individual songs for like $1 each.
>
>
>
> Meanwhile, I’m picturing Chuck listening to Kenny Chesney singing “She
> Thinks My Tractor’s Sexy”.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:43 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> Or even worse we'll have to listen to our cd collection from yesteryear.
> What would that look like in the Hohhof household? :-)
>
>
>
> Hal
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 6:00 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> I got a call today from a customer who had bought a gizmo to extend his
> WiFi to his yard so he could listen to music while mowing the lawn.
>
>
>
> Remember when we could listen to music without the Internet?  Transistor
> radio.  Walkman.  iPod.  Or just load a bunch of songs on your phone.
> Nope.  Everything today needs the Internet and an app.  I assume if “the
> cloud” ever goes down, people will fall to the ground and flop around like
> fish.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:47 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> It would be interesting to know how many others on that tower were using
> data etc.  Not bad though for a hand held device with nlos.  What are your
> ping times?
>
>
>
> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:42 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> Here's my internet speed:
>
>
>
> [image: speed.png]
>
>
>
> I have 2 choices for internet today - AT 5Mbps/.5Mbps adsl (with random
> 30s outages) OR LTE modem.  You can guess which one I use.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure how much data I use.  It says month to date is almost 200GB.
>
>
>
> I think I'm the only one on the tower.  I pay $150/mo for "unlimited" and
> one day I'll be given the boot I suppose since I doubt this is an
> officially sanctioned plan.
>
>
>
> This is not sustainable for a national operator using licensed bands as a
> business model.  I kinda doubt I'll ever see 5G from a large carrier at my
> house.  It just doesn't make sense.  My next round of fast internet has to
> come from one of you guys.
>
>
>
> Viva el/la WISP!  ;-)
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 9:19 AM Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
>
>
> Yes the customer might think that its qgig for them… but still the
> experience would be far better that they have now… worst case scenario
> 50megs for them?
>
>
>
> As carries add capacity (via this technologies and more spectrum) , they
> will continue to raise the cap bar.  We might see in the future a cap high
> enough that a big segment of the market will ditch fixed broadband and just
> have mobile.
>
>
>
> *From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
> >
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 10:12 AM
>
>
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
> Manufacturer/carrier says:  we demonstrated a basestation with gigabit
> aggregate capacity
>
>
>
> Customer hears:  gigabit speed, all for me
>
>
>
> Also articles about watching 8K 3D TV on your phone, ignoring $10 per GB
> data usage charges.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:04 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> Not really
>
>
>
>
> https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/2017/02/23/sprint-ericsson-to-demo-gigabit-data-speeds-over-td-lte/?utm_source=CommsUpdate_campaign=842ec531cf-CommsUpdate+23+Februa

Re: [AFMUG] 5G

2017-02-23 Thread Harold Bledsoe

This is an LTE modem tethered to a mikrotik by usb so it feeds all the
network and our cord cutter lifestyle. :-)

I'm guessing very few use the tower and zero use it like me.

Ping times are 40-50ms.

Hal

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 5:47 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> It would be interesting to know how many others on that tower were using
> data etc.  Not bad though for a hand held device with nlos.  What are your
> ping times?
>
> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
> Here's my internet speed:
>
> [image: speed.png]
>
> I have 2 choices for internet today - AT 5Mbps/.5Mbps adsl (with random
> 30s outages) OR LTE modem.  You can guess which one I use.
>
> I'm not sure how much data I use.  It says month to date is almost 200GB.
>
> I think I'm the only one on the tower.  I pay $150/mo for "unlimited" and
> one day I'll be given the boot I suppose since I doubt this is an
> officially sanctioned plan.
>
> This is not sustainable for a national operator using licensed bands as a
> business model.  I kinda doubt I'll ever see 5G from a large carrier at my
> house.  It just doesn't make sense.  My next round of fast internet has to
> come from one of you guys.
>
> Viva el/la WISP!  ;-)
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 9:19 AM Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
> Yes the customer might think that its qgig for them… but still the
> experience would be far better that they have now… worst case scenario
> 50megs for them?
>
> As carries add capacity (via this technologies and more spectrum) , they
> will continue to raise the cap bar.  We might see in the future a cap high
> enough that a big segment of the market will ditch fixed broadband and just
> have mobile.
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 10:12 AM
>
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
> Manufacturer/carrier says:  we demonstrated a basestation with gigabit
> aggregate capacity
>
>
>
> Customer hears:  gigabit speed, all for me
>
>
>
> Also articles about watching 8K 3D TV on your phone, ignoring $10 per GB
> data usage charges.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:04 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> Not really
>
>
>
>
> https://www.telegeography.com/products/commsupdate/articles/2017/02/23/sprint-ericsson-to-demo-gigabit-data-speeds-over-td-lte/?utm_source=CommsUpdate_campaign=842ec531cf-CommsUpdate+23+February+2017_medium=email_term=0_0688983330-842ec531cf-8827113
>
>
>
> *From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 12:30 AM
>
>
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> In a lab with unlimited spectrum maybe. It will be a fraction of this in
> all reality. They could get closer with millimeter wave, but that's a
> different animal entirely.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Check this out
>
>
> http://www.fiercewireless.com/special-report/gigabit-keeps-lte-fast-lane?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiWlRrMFkySTJObVU0TkRSbCIsInQiOiJCRytrXC9IdU92c3NISUVUOVBIOGJaMXNDZnN1aklXUUZ1VXJXQmFYS0NzdU1kdmhVWTFBSFIwNDRcL0MzRERkNTlVSEJEUE9oM3RuVkttWFJRanE5ZUV2SHg3cFhPdERtZllVTVlwb3E4YlJkRDFtQ1ZoZHhIZzMyRTduRFR0V1IzIn0%3D
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> [image: image003.png]
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> [image: aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]
>
> On Feb 22, 2017 7:53 AM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> wrote:
>
> 5G. 5th generation? 5 GHz? 5 Gigawatts? This term is much more in the
> ether than something like LTE. The cell companies hyped up the marketing to
> the point where it lost the original meaning.
>
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2017, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
> I think its a marketing play with hyped terms that not necessary follow
> what 5G really menas and its deceptive.
>
>
>
> Might as well call your service LTE… i

Re: [AFMUG] 5G

2017-02-22 Thread Harold Bledsoe

I wonder what the recognition is of "gigabit" now?  I usually test things
like this on my parents.  :-)

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 1:38 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> The average consumer has no clue what any of the following terms mean,
> despite spending a lot of money on them:
>
>
>
> WiFi, 4G, 5G, LTE, modem, router, satellite, server
>
>
>
> And the industry is happy to keep them stupid, for example defining
> “unlimited” as “throttled after 22 GB”.  The latest I saw is Qualcomm
> wanting people to think their phones will soon have gigabit download
> speeds.  Mobile carriers of course don’t sell speed plans, they sell data
> plans, and manufacturers like Qualcomm conflate sector capacity with end
> user speed.  As well as neglecting to explain that all that unlicensed
> spectrum will only be used for urban small cells, not the celltower 5 miles
> from your house in the country.
>
>
>
>
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/qualcomms-new-lte-modem-will-make-gigabit-download-speeds-easier-to-hit/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2017 12:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> Ouch…
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Af  on behalf of Stefan Englhardt <
> s...@genias.net>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Date: *Tuesday, February 21, 2017 at 1:49 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 5G
>
>
>
> Now the first wifi is called 5G. And who is the marketing winner: mimosa.
>
> But of course air-„fiber“ is not bad, too.
>
>
>
> Both companies should move some sales guys to the engineering staff to
> make their
>
> Ptmp wifi gear gps work before claiming the next big thing.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> [image: image002.png]
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions

2017-02-18 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Innovation in mmwave is happening rapidly right now. The prices will
continue to come down this year.

Yes, I'd say micropops but I'm not sure that completely does it justice.
There's several different architectures that are being deployed now.

No you can't go through trees at least not reliably. You can go around
them... Or you can combine with other bands and load as much on 60ghz and
rest on sub 6ghz that are a challenge.

The can you lay fiber cheaper? I'd say no from the projects we've done so
far. One city, for example, was ~$5M to build out with 100% fiber; $400k to
pass all those same homes with 60ghz. 3 months vs. years.

Is 60ghz the answer for everything? Nope. :-)

Hal

P.S. I have a bias towards 60ghz (IgniteNet).

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 9:19 AM Craig Schmaderer <cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
wrote:

> What is this stuff going to cost?  Obviously this is for micropops. Can I
> go through 1 tree? Can i lay real fiber cheaper?
>
>
> --
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Gino Villarini <
> g...@aeronetpr.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 2:27:49 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions
> The new term is HFW Hybrid Fiber Wireless
>
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 3:27 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions
>
> So are all of us going to have to start calling wireless “fiber” now,
> because that’s what the big guys are doing?
>
>
>
> Reminiscent of the Einstein quote, it’s like a very long cat, but without
> the cat.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2017 12:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions
>
>
>
> Aparrently some beta units to big guys like Google Fiberwave
>
>
>
> *From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 12:14 PM
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Siklu multipoint solutions
>
>
>
> Heard they are shipping... True?
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> --

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-09 Thread Harold Bledsoe

o the grid, they'll
> still charge you for being tied to the grid based on how much capacity
> you have.
>
> The quicker that the energy companies figure out that they are not only
> energy providers, but that they should be energy storage companies as
> well the better.   That way, you could have a 'buy energy from the
> energy company' rate, and a 'store energy for me rate'.  And none of
> this crap they're trying to pull right now.  If you don't want to have
> the utility company store it for you at whatever rate they're charging,
> then you go buy a powerwall and then only buy energy from the utility
> company when you need a bit here or there (subject to a meter minimum or
> similar).
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com
> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>
> What really sucks about this deal is that they claim that they do
> this so rich people who can afford solar are still contributing to
> the cost of maintaining the grid instead of transferring that burden
> to poor people.   Cry me a fkn river...   They kind of neglect that
> they are making up more than 20% line loss from solar plants
> distributing source power closer to the loads.This is a YUGE
> savings off losses that they don't get compensated for and goes
> straight into their pockets. Fuel savings, build savings, wear and
> tear savings...   They are a bunch of thieves looking in our pockets
> for their next golden parachute..
>
> On 02/07/2017 08:55 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote:
>
> Apologies to Eric for hijacking his thread...
>
> It does suck and the logic is flawed.  Do they charge more for
> folks
> that switched to LED bulbs?  No.  Do they charge more for folks
> that
> have smaller houses, better insulation, or choose not to run the AC
> sometimes?  No.
>
> If I had more free time I'd stand up for the principle but at the
> moment, islanding will just have to do.  :-)  I suppose I could
> try to
> summon the reddit but I do still need electricity for now.
>
> -Hal
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
>
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>> wrote:
>
> I have 10 kW so it would be an extra $70... that sucks.
> Yeah, I would be buying batts and inverters too.
>
> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2017 9:24 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?
>
>
> When we first did it, we had to pay a $5/mo "administrative"
> fee for
> having net metering.  Effective Jan 1, they charge an
> additional
> $7/kw of installed capacity to offset the lower power usage.
>
> I think this new charge literally effects only 1 of their
> customers.  I believe their fear is that things like Tesla
> powerwall
> will take off and they won't be able to afford their current
> lifestyle.  ;-)
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 9:32 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
>
> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>
> I pay 8.50/month.  Flat rate.
> So you are getting a demand charge added?
>
> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2017 5:37 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery
>
>
> deals?
>
> Agreed!
>
> I'm going to pull the trigger and try the forklift
> batteries.
> Supposedly they will last 3-5x longer than regular deep
> cycle
> golf cart batteries. I'll let you guys know in 10-15 years.
>
> My motivation is that my home grid tied system saves too
> much
> power so the power company added a net meter fee of
> $7/kw/mo to
> make up the difference.
>
> Alrighty then, guess I'll take half my house off grid. :-)
>
> Hal
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 1:27 PM Eric Kuhnke
>
> <eric.kuh...@gmail.com <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>>
>
>
> wrote:
>
> Anything rated in CCA (cold cranking amps) is not
>

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-07 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Oh, yeah FLA.  I was going to just put a vent hood.  :-)

I guess you'll know when you read the news

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 12:37 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Those are flooded batteries not AGM, right?  Kind of an apples-to-oranges
> comparison.  If they are in a somewhat temperature controlled environment,
> and not in your basement venting gasses into your house, flooded might be a
> valid choice and would typically be around half the price of AGM.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 7, 2017 10:27 AM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?
>
>
>
> Sure.  Supposedly the plates are a good bit thicker than even high-end
> deep cycle batteries so they can be cycled daily at the same DOD 3-5 times
> more than what a GC2 would be able to do.
>
>
>
> Here's an article that has more info:
>
>
>
>
> https://www.sustainablepreparedness.com/index.php/blog/the-best-kept-secret-in-renewable-energy
>
>
>
> -Hal
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:14 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
> Define “last”.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 6:38 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?
>
>
>
> Agreed!
>
>
>
> I'm going to pull the trigger and try the forklift batteries. Supposedly
> they will last 3-5x longer than regular deep cycle golf cart batteries.
> I'll let you guys know in 10-15 years.
>
>
>
> My motivation is that my home grid tied system saves too much power so the
> power company added a net meter fee of $7/kw/mo to make up the difference.
>
>
>
> Alrighty then, guess I'll take half my house off grid. :-)
>
>
>
> Hal
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 1:27 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Anything rated in CCA (cold cranking amps) is not suitable for cyclic
> solar/wind power applications. If the manufacturer hasn't clearly specified
> Ah capacity in a table at 5, 10, 20 hour rates it's not designed for
> repeated discharge.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 5:01 AM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Beware of deep cycle marine batteries. These typically are not true deep
> cycle batteries. At 50% depth of discharge, you can expect around 300
> cycles (or 1 year if doing it daily). A true deep cycle battery will do
> about 3x that number.
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:00 PM Keefe John <keefe...@ethoplex.com> wrote:
>
> Exide has a 105 AH battery for $81
>
>
> http://www.menards.com/main/electrical/batteries-battery-chargers/automotive-lead-acid-batteries/exide-regng-27-12-month-nautilus-marine-deep-cycle-battery/p-130136307-c-9100.htm?tid=-3310133469912273928
>
> On February 5, 2017 4:55:55 PM CST, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Found this, sunelec.com (big solar equipment dealer for off grid) is
> selling the 106Ah version of these for $185 a piece plus pallet shipping:
>
>
> http://www.outbackpower.com/downloads/documents/Store_the_Energy/energycell_re_top_terminal/energycellREtopterminal_specsheet.pdf
>
>
>
> Outback, as far as I know, doesn't actually have a battery factory. But
> they are a fairly large company so they are relabeling somebody else's deep
> cycle off grid design AGM battery. In terms of $/Wh stored the only thing
> that beats it is the 6V 225Ah wet cell batteries from Trojan.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 6:00 AM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I can across an interesting tip / option -
>
>
>
> Have you considered going with forklift batteries? They are flooded lead
> acid however I'm reading that they can last 3x longer than golf cart
> batteries in PV applications.
>
>
>
>
> http://gbindustrialbattery.com/Forklift_Battery_Sizes_and_Specifications_Zone15.html
>
>
>
> I guess the weight is a downside. Just make sure the whole family eats
> their Wheaties on moving day. :-)
>
>
>
> Hal
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:11 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Looking for a bunch of 12V 100Ah AGM top terminal batteries for off grid
> PV. Wondering if anyone has recently got a particularly good deal for
> something like the Trojan T31 or similar.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-07 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Apologies to Eric for hijacking his thread...

It does suck and the logic is flawed.  Do they charge more for folks that
switched to LED bulbs?  No.  Do they charge more for folks that have
smaller houses, better insulation, or choose not to run the AC sometimes?
No.

If I had more free time I'd stand up for the principle but at the moment,
islanding will just have to do.  :-)  I suppose I could try to summon the
reddit but I do still need electricity for now.

-Hal

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:31 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I have 10 kW so it would be an extra $70... that sucks.
> Yeah, I would be buying batts and inverters too.
>
> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2017 9:24 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?
> When we first did it, we had to pay a $5/mo "administrative" fee for
> having net metering.  Effective Jan 1, they charge an additional $7/kw of
> installed capacity to offset the lower power usage.
>
> I think this new charge literally effects only 1 of their customers.  I
> believe their fear is that things like Tesla powerwall will take off and
> they won't be able to afford their current lifestyle.  ;-)
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 9:32 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> I pay 8.50/month.  Flat rate.
> So you are getting a demand charge added?
>
> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2017 5:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?
> Agreed!
>
> I'm going to pull the trigger and try the forklift batteries. Supposedly
> they will last 3-5x longer than regular deep cycle golf cart batteries.
> I'll let you guys know in 10-15 years.
>
> My motivation is that my home grid tied system saves too much power so the
> power company added a net meter fee of $7/kw/mo to make up the difference.
>
> Alrighty then, guess I'll take half my house off grid. :-)
>
> Hal
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 1:27 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Anything rated in CCA (cold cranking amps) is not suitable for cyclic
> solar/wind power applications. If the manufacturer hasn't clearly specified
> Ah capacity in a table at 5, 10, 20 hour rates it's not designed for
> repeated discharge.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 5:01 AM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Beware of deep cycle marine batteries. These typically are not true deep
> cycle batteries. At 50% depth of discharge, you can expect around 300
> cycles (or 1 year if doing it daily). A true deep cycle battery will do
> about 3x that number.
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:00 PM Keefe John <keefe...@ethoplex.com> wrote:
>
> Exide has a 105 AH battery for $81
>
>
> http://www.menards.com/main/electrical/batteries-battery-chargers/automotive-lead-acid-batteries/exide-regng-27-12-month-nautilus-marine-deep-cycle-battery/p-130136307-c-9100.htm?tid=-3310133469912273928
>
>
> On February 5, 2017 4:55:55 PM CST, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Found this, sunelec.com (big solar equipment dealer for off grid) is
> selling the 106Ah version of these for $185 a piece plus pallet shipping:
>
>
> http://www.outbackpower.com/downloads/documents/Store_the_Energy/energycell_re_top_terminal/energycellREtopterminal_specsheet.pdf
>
> Outback, as far as I know, doesn't actually have a battery factory. But
> they are a fairly large company so they are relabeling somebody else's deep
> cycle off grid design AGM battery. In terms of $/Wh stored the only thing
> that beats it is the 6V 225Ah wet cell batteries from Trojan.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 6:00 AM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I can across an interesting tip / option -
>
> Have you considered going with forklift batteries? They are flooded lead
> acid however I'm reading that they can last 3x longer than golf cart
> batteries in PV applications.
>
>
> http://gbindustrialbattery.com/Forklift_Battery_Sizes_and_Specifications_Zone15.html
>
> I guess the weight is a downside. Just make sure the whole family eats
> their Wheaties on moving day. :-)
>
> Hal
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:11 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Looking for a bunch of 12V 100Ah AGM top terminal batteries for off grid
> PV. Wondering if anyone has recently got a particularly good deal for
> something like the Trojan T31 or similar.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-07 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Sure.  Supposedly the plates are a good bit thicker than even high-end deep
cycle batteries so they can be cycled daily at the same DOD 3-5 times more
than what a GC2 would be able to do.

Here's an article that has more info:

https://www.sustainablepreparedness.com/index.php/blog/the-best-kept-secret-in-renewable-energy

-Hal

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:14 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Define “last”.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 6:38 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?
>
>
>
> Agreed!
>
>
>
> I'm going to pull the trigger and try the forklift batteries. Supposedly
> they will last 3-5x longer than regular deep cycle golf cart batteries.
> I'll let you guys know in 10-15 years.
>
>
>
> My motivation is that my home grid tied system saves too much power so the
> power company added a net meter fee of $7/kw/mo to make up the difference.
>
>
>
> Alrighty then, guess I'll take half my house off grid. :-)
>
>
>
> Hal
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 1:27 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Anything rated in CCA (cold cranking amps) is not suitable for cyclic
> solar/wind power applications. If the manufacturer hasn't clearly specified
> Ah capacity in a table at 5, 10, 20 hour rates it's not designed for
> repeated discharge.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 5:01 AM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Beware of deep cycle marine batteries. These typically are not true deep
> cycle batteries. At 50% depth of discharge, you can expect around 300
> cycles (or 1 year if doing it daily). A true deep cycle battery will do
> about 3x that number.
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:00 PM Keefe John <keefe...@ethoplex.com> wrote:
>
> Exide has a 105 AH battery for $81
>
>
> http://www.menards.com/main/electrical/batteries-battery-chargers/automotive-lead-acid-batteries/exide-regng-27-12-month-nautilus-marine-deep-cycle-battery/p-130136307-c-9100.htm?tid=-3310133469912273928
>
> On February 5, 2017 4:55:55 PM CST, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Found this, sunelec.com (big solar equipment dealer for off grid) is
> selling the 106Ah version of these for $185 a piece plus pallet shipping:
>
>
> http://www.outbackpower.com/downloads/documents/Store_the_Energy/energycell_re_top_terminal/energycellREtopterminal_specsheet.pdf
>
>
>
> Outback, as far as I know, doesn't actually have a battery factory. But
> they are a fairly large company so they are relabeling somebody else's deep
> cycle off grid design AGM battery. In terms of $/Wh stored the only thing
> that beats it is the 6V 225Ah wet cell batteries from Trojan.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 6:00 AM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I can across an interesting tip / option -
>
>
>
> Have you considered going with forklift batteries? They are flooded lead
> acid however I'm reading that they can last 3x longer than golf cart
> batteries in PV applications.
>
>
>
>
> http://gbindustrialbattery.com/Forklift_Battery_Sizes_and_Specifications_Zone15.html
>
>
>
> I guess the weight is a downside. Just make sure the whole family eats
> their Wheaties on moving day. :-)
>
>
>
> Hal
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:11 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Looking for a bunch of 12V 100Ah AGM top terminal batteries for off grid
> PV. Wondering if anyone has recently got a particularly good deal for
> something like the Trojan T31 or similar.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-07 Thread Harold Bledsoe

When we first did it, we had to pay a $5/mo "administrative" fee for having
net metering.  Effective Jan 1, they charge an additional $7/kw of
installed capacity to offset the lower power usage.

I think this new charge literally effects only 1 of their customers.  I
believe their fear is that things like Tesla powerwall will take off and
they won't be able to afford their current lifestyle.  ;-)

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 9:32 AM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I pay 8.50/month.  Flat rate.
> So you are getting a demand charge added?
>
> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2017 5:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?
> Agreed!
>
> I'm going to pull the trigger and try the forklift batteries. Supposedly
> they will last 3-5x longer than regular deep cycle golf cart batteries.
> I'll let you guys know in 10-15 years.
>
> My motivation is that my home grid tied system saves too much power so the
> power company added a net meter fee of $7/kw/mo to make up the difference.
>
> Alrighty then, guess I'll take half my house off grid. :-)
>
> Hal
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 1:27 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Anything rated in CCA (cold cranking amps) is not suitable for cyclic
> solar/wind power applications. If the manufacturer hasn't clearly specified
> Ah capacity in a table at 5, 10, 20 hour rates it's not designed for
> repeated discharge.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 5:01 AM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Beware of deep cycle marine batteries. These typically are not true deep
> cycle batteries. At 50% depth of discharge, you can expect around 300
> cycles (or 1 year if doing it daily). A true deep cycle battery will do
> about 3x that number.
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:00 PM Keefe John <keefe...@ethoplex.com> wrote:
>
> Exide has a 105 AH battery for $81
>
>
> http://www.menards.com/main/electrical/batteries-battery-chargers/automotive-lead-acid-batteries/exide-regng-27-12-month-nautilus-marine-deep-cycle-battery/p-130136307-c-9100.htm?tid=-3310133469912273928
>
>
> On February 5, 2017 4:55:55 PM CST, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Found this, sunelec.com (big solar equipment dealer for off grid) is
> selling the 106Ah version of these for $185 a piece plus pallet shipping:
>
>
> http://www.outbackpower.com/downloads/documents/Store_the_Energy/energycell_re_top_terminal/energycellREtopterminal_specsheet.pdf
>
> Outback, as far as I know, doesn't actually have a battery factory. But
> they are a fairly large company so they are relabeling somebody else's deep
> cycle off grid design AGM battery. In terms of $/Wh stored the only thing
> that beats it is the 6V 225Ah wet cell batteries from Trojan.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 6:00 AM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I can across an interesting tip / option -
>
> Have you considered going with forklift batteries? They are flooded lead
> acid however I'm reading that they can last 3x longer than golf cart
> batteries in PV applications.
>
>
> http://gbindustrialbattery.com/Forklift_Battery_Sizes_and_Specifications_Zone15.html
>
> I guess the weight is a downside. Just make sure the whole family eats
> their Wheaties on moving day. :-)
>
> Hal
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:11 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Looking for a bunch of 12V 100Ah AGM top terminal batteries for off grid
> PV. Wondering if anyone has recently got a particularly good deal for
> something like the Trojan T31 or similar.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

2017-02-06 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Sure, why not. What all do you need it to do?

Hal

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:48 PM Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:

> Nice.
>
>
>
> The problem with the Mikrotik, UBNT and IgniteNet converters is that they
> are not manageable.
>
>
>
> For about $40 I was getting a manageable solution with monitoring (SNMP)
> built in.
>
>
>
> It wasn’t water proof, so I still needed a splice tray and NID enclosure.
>
>
>
> It would be of great interest to me if someone combined all of this
> together into a single outdoor NID unit that was POE and manageable with
> SNMP.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 5:33 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
>
>
> We have something similar too and available in qty as well.
>
>
>
> http://www.ignitenet.com/products/mmc/
>
>
>
> Hal
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:09 PM Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>
> I forgot about those.
>
>
>
> I’ll have to look around.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 4:57 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
>
>
> Can you find any of these?
>
>
>
> https://routerboard.com/RBFTC11
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> Single Family Home
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, February 6, 2017 5:33:04 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
> Sorry for the ignorance...
>
> But what do you mean by "primary SFH" ??
>
> SFH = ???
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:23:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
> > I've been using Mikrotik/Routerboard RB260GS switches as my primary SFH
> > transceiver for years.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf
> Of Faisal Imtiaz
> > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:20 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> >
> > Pray tell me ... what is this POE Fiber Transceiver you are talking
> about ?
> > I am willing to be enlightened !
> >
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > Miami, FL 33155
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> >> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:58:18 PM
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> >
> >> Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are
> >> backordered until next never.
> >>
> >> Are there any alternatives?
> >>
> > > Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>
-- 

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-06 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Agreed!

I'm going to pull the trigger and try the forklift batteries. Supposedly
they will last 3-5x longer than regular deep cycle golf cart batteries.
I'll let you guys know in 10-15 years.

My motivation is that my home grid tied system saves too much power so the
power company added a net meter fee of $7/kw/mo to make up the difference.

Alrighty then, guess I'll take half my house off grid. :-)

Hal

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 1:27 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anything rated in CCA (cold cranking amps) is not suitable for cyclic
> solar/wind power applications. If the manufacturer hasn't clearly specified
> Ah capacity in a table at 5, 10, 20 hour rates it's not designed for
> repeated discharge.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 5:01 AM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Beware of deep cycle marine batteries. These typically are not true deep
> cycle batteries. At 50% depth of discharge, you can expect around 300
> cycles (or 1 year if doing it daily). A true deep cycle battery will do
> about 3x that number.
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:00 PM Keefe John <keefe...@ethoplex.com> wrote:
>
> Exide has a 105 AH battery for $81
>
>
> http://www.menards.com/main/electrical/batteries-battery-chargers/automotive-lead-acid-batteries/exide-regng-27-12-month-nautilus-marine-deep-cycle-battery/p-130136307-c-9100.htm?tid=-3310133469912273928
>
>
> On February 5, 2017 4:55:55 PM CST, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Found this, sunelec.com (big solar equipment dealer for off grid) is
> selling the 106Ah version of these for $185 a piece plus pallet shipping:
>
>
> http://www.outbackpower.com/downloads/documents/Store_the_Energy/energycell_re_top_terminal/energycellREtopterminal_specsheet.pdf
>
> Outback, as far as I know, doesn't actually have a battery factory. But
> they are a fairly large company so they are relabeling somebody else's deep
> cycle off grid design AGM battery. In terms of $/Wh stored the only thing
> that beats it is the 6V 225Ah wet cell batteries from Trojan.
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 6:00 AM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I can across an interesting tip / option -
>
> Have you considered going with forklift batteries? They are flooded lead
> acid however I'm reading that they can last 3x longer than golf cart
> batteries in PV applications.
>
>
> http://gbindustrialbattery.com/Forklift_Battery_Sizes_and_Specifications_Zone15.html
>
> I guess the weight is a downside. Just make sure the whole family eats
> their Wheaties on moving day. :-)
>
> Hal
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:11 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Looking for a bunch of 12V 100Ah AGM top terminal batteries for off grid
> PV. Wondering if anyone has recently got a particularly good deal for
> something like the Trojan T31 or similar.
>
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>
> --

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

2017-02-06 Thread Harold Bledsoe

We have something similar too and available in qty as well.

http://www.ignitenet.com/products/mmc/

Hal

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:09 PM Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:

> I forgot about those.
>
>
>
> I’ll have to look around.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 4:57 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
>
>
> Can you find any of these?
>
>
>
> https://routerboard.com/RBFTC11
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brett A Mansfield
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2017, at 4:33 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> Single Family Home
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, February 6, 2017 5:33:04 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
> Sorry for the ignorance...
>
> But what do you mean by "primary SFH" ??
>
> SFH = ???
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:23:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
>
> > I've been using Mikrotik/Routerboard RB260GS switches as my primary SFH
> > transceiver for years.
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf
> Of Faisal Imtiaz
> > Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 4:20 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> >
> > Pray tell me ... what is this POE Fiber Transceiver you are talking
> about ?
> > I am willing to be enlightened !
> >
> > Faisal Imtiaz
> > Snappy Internet & Telecom
> > 7266 SW 48 Street
> > Miami, FL 33155
> > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >
> > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> >> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 5:58:18 PM
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver
> >
> >> Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are
> >> backordered until next never.
> >>
> >> Are there any alternatives?
> >>
> > > Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE.
>
>
>
> --

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-06 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Beware of deep cycle marine batteries. These typically are not true deep
cycle batteries. At 50% depth of discharge, you can expect around 300
cycles (or 1 year if doing it daily). A true deep cycle battery will do
about 3x that number.

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:00 PM Keefe John <keefe...@ethoplex.com> wrote:

> Exide has a 105 AH battery for $81
>
>
> http://www.menards.com/main/electrical/batteries-battery-chargers/automotive-lead-acid-batteries/exide-regng-27-12-month-nautilus-marine-deep-cycle-battery/p-130136307-c-9100.htm?tid=-3310133469912273928
>
>
> On February 5, 2017 4:55:55 PM CST, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Found this, sunelec.com (big solar equipment dealer for off grid) is
> selling the 106Ah version of these for $185 a piece plus pallet shipping:
>
>
> http://www.outbackpower.com/downloads/documents/Store_the_Energy/energycell_re_top_terminal/energycellREtopterminal_specsheet.pdf
>
> Outback, as far as I know, doesn't actually have a battery factory. But
> they are a fairly large company so they are relabeling somebody else's deep
> cycle off grid design AGM battery. In terms of $/Wh stored the only thing
> that beats it is the 6V 225Ah wet cell batteries from Trojan.
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 6:00 AM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I can across an interesting tip / option -
>
> Have you considered going with forklift batteries? They are flooded lead
> acid however I'm reading that they can last 3x longer than golf cart
> batteries in PV applications.
>
>
> http://gbindustrialbattery.com/Forklift_Battery_Sizes_and_Specifications_Zone15.html
>
> I guess the weight is a downside. Just make sure the whole family eats
> their Wheaties on moving day. :-)
>
> Hal
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:11 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Looking for a bunch of 12V 100Ah AGM top terminal batteries for off grid
> PV. Wondering if anyone has recently got a particularly good deal for
> something like the Trojan T31 or similar.
>
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
-- 

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-04 Thread Harold Bledsoe

I can across an interesting tip / option -

Have you considered going with forklift batteries? They are flooded lead
acid however I'm reading that they can last 3x longer than golf cart
batteries in PV applications.

http://gbindustrialbattery.com/Forklift_Battery_Sizes_and_Specifications_Zone15.html

I guess the weight is a downside. Just make sure the whole family eats
their Wheaties on moving day. :-)

Hal

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 7:11 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Looking for a bunch of 12V 100Ah AGM top terminal batteries for off grid
> PV. Wondering if anyone has recently got a particularly good deal for
> something like the Trojan T31 or similar.
>
>
> --

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Yeah like 1.5Gbps aggregate real throughput on a pair g.fast.  :-)

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 9:29 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> On short loops, VDSL2 can go up to 200 - 300 megabit. v.fast and it's
> derivatives should be able to approach gig. That's short loops, though.
> MDU, individual city blocks, etc.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
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> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 1, 2017 8:20:48 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
>
> We see up to 50 Mbps on Calix VDSL2 on the shorter loops.  That case looks
> like it could be the v.fast box too.  They have one that looks like that
> and they claim up to 200 Mbps on shorter loops for that technology.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:34 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
>
> One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to
> each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of
> at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s
> I've used in the past though :)
>
> On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, do  you know how are they feeding these shelves?
>
> I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding
> an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's.
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
> Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF funding
> from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks they
> took funding for.
>
> If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect them to
> be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to customers
> in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may see
> up to 40/1 Mbps speeds.
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson  > wrote:
>
> As someone already said, its clearly and E3.
> https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
> Regen would be my guess.
>
> On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
>
> it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 along
> that route.
>
> Tim
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: "Carl Peterson" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
>
> Calix.  I'd guess G.Fast
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson  wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural
> areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways.
>
> Thanks
> 
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] customer suddenly can't browse but can stream using apps

2017-01-26 Thread Harold Bledsoe

t iPhones and iPads and a Blu-Ray player.ï¿½
>
> Customer is not at all tech savvy (doesnï¿½t understand that
>
> Netflix uses Internet), and seems to expect we will troubleshoot
>
> and fix anything Internet related because she (actually her
>
> parents) are paying us for ï¿½Internetï¿½.ï¿½ She reports the same
>
> symptoms on all devices.
>
>
>
> ï¿½
>
>
>
> Is there anything thatï¿½s happened in the past day (other than
>
> Trump related stuff) that I might be missing?ï¿½ Like a TP-Link
>
> firmware upgrade, or something Apple pushed out to
>
> iPads/iPhones?ï¿½ It just seems so strange that no websites at all
>
> would load, but Netflix would stream just fine.ï¿½ Iï¿½d love to
>
> blame it on Trumpï¿½s media blackout but itï¿½s a bit of a stretch
>
> to connect those dots.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Simon Westlake
>
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> <simon@sonar.software>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Managed routers for customers

2017-01-18 Thread Harold Bledsoe

The home router form-factor is a recent addition:

http://www.ignitenet.com/products/gateway-ac1200/

So it is more like a home router with enterprise wireless features I
suppose.  It turned out that what we had for the enterprise side was really
close to an awesome managed WiFi product for service providers too.

The hardware is a means to an end though.  Our focus right now (and the
past year or so) is adding a ton more applications to cover a lot more
verticals - to basically convert it into a revenue generation platform for
you.

The analogy I like to use is the flip phone.  No one really uses those
anymore because the phone now is a lot more than just something to make
phone calls.  The WiFi router/gateway should follow the same idea - it
should be more than just a connection.

Anyone that wants one to try, shoot me an email offlist with shipping
info.  We have a batch of them that we can send out (first come, first
serve).

Thanks,
-Hal

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:45 PM Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
wrote:

> Harold,
>
> Can you elaborate further on the gateway you're referring to? I thought
> you guys only had access points, not home routers.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 12:17 AM Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> This.
>
> I think the main point is that when you are delivering an internet
> connection, if the last foot (e.g. bad WiFi) is bad, the average customer
> is going to assume the internet connection is bad.
>
> Managed WiFi gives you the visibility you need to know what is going on
> and a chance to fix it without a truck roll.
>
> If anyone wants to try out our new gateway I'm happy to provide one so you
> can see the difference.  Every one of my family members has one of our
> gateways just so I don't have to do another one of those painful phone
> support calls.  ;-)
>
> > There's about 100 other selling points including parental controls etc.
>
> Yep, and we see this as the next huge value-add for ISPs - add more
> services through applications delivered over your service.  Up-sell
> family-safe internet to your resi customers.  Up-sell shop/restaurant/gym
> customers to enhanced guest WiFi with business intelligence and social
> marketing.  Up-sell SMB customers with network level anti-virus and
> anti-malware.  Etc. etc.
>
> If you aren't adding another $20-30 of monthly recurring revenue on top of
> the internet service you provide, then you are leaving money on the table.
> I boldly say this based on the ISP customers we have that are doing just
> this and tearing it up!
>
> -Hal
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 10:48 AM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>
> They can call us anytime the want for help with our router (almost zero
> calls per month)  if it dies we replace it (1 per year)
>
> Selling point is they don't have to talk to [insert router brand here] who
> will charge them $150 for the first support call.  There's about 100 other
> selling points including parental controls etc.
>
> When they resist going for it we give them a free 1 month no obligation
> trial...they never want to give the router back.
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM Jon Langeler <jon-ispli...@michwave.net>
> wrote:
>
> What kind of support is included with managed routers? Selling points?
> What happens if the router dies over a weekend?
>
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>
> 844E is less than $150
>
> we buy direct from calix
>
> we charge $99 "setup fee" and $12/mo for our "managed wifi" service. (we
> retain ownership of all hardware)
>
> excellent take rate so far  :-)
>
> -sean
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:31 PM, Josh Corson <j...@bluebitnetworks.com>
> wrote:
>
> What's the price on a 844E?
> Vendor?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 16, 2017, at 11:13 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>
> Yeah the cloud software is what makes calix awesome.
>
> The hardware is high end 802.11ac gear.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 9:58 PM David Kunat <m...@davidkunat.com> wrote:
>
> Do you use their cloud management with the 844E?
>
> On Jan 16, 2017, at 7:37 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>
> Calix 844E
>
>
> - Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 9:28 PM Josh Corson <j...@bluebitnetworks.com>
> wrote:
>
> What does everyone use/offer for managed customer routers?
>
>
>
> We use the Cambium R200P router currently, however we are looking for
>
> one with better wireless range. In general circumstances the router
>
> works fine, but we are looking for a good all in one, manageable
>
> router with excellent range - and maybe dual band (I know the R201P
>
> exists). The R200P seems pricey for simply single band 2.4ghz.
>
>
>
> Not too hung up on the ability to power the CPE through the router.
>
> Poe bricks are fine.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Managed routers for customers

2017-01-17 Thread Harold Bledsoe

This.

I think the main point is that when you are delivering an internet
connection, if the last foot (e.g. bad WiFi) is bad, the average customer
is going to assume the internet connection is bad.

Managed WiFi gives you the visibility you need to know what is going on and
a chance to fix it without a truck roll.

If anyone wants to try out our new gateway I'm happy to provide one so you
can see the difference.  Every one of my family members has one of our
gateways just so I don't have to do another one of those painful phone
support calls.  ;-)

> There's about 100 other selling points including parental controls etc.

Yep, and we see this as the next huge value-add for ISPs - add more
services through applications delivered over your service.  Up-sell
family-safe internet to your resi customers.  Up-sell shop/restaurant/gym
customers to enhanced guest WiFi with business intelligence and social
marketing.  Up-sell SMB customers with network level anti-virus and
anti-malware.  Etc. etc.

If you aren't adding another $20-30 of monthly recurring revenue on top of
the internet service you provide, then you are leaving money on the table.
I boldly say this based on the ISP customers we have that are doing just
this and tearing it up!

-Hal

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 10:48 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> They can call us anytime the want for help with our router (almost zero
> calls per month)  if it dies we replace it (1 per year)
>
> Selling point is they don't have to talk to [insert router brand here] who
> will charge them $150 for the first support call.  There's about 100 other
> selling points including parental controls etc.
>
> When they resist going for it we give them a free 1 month no obligation
> trial...they never want to give the router back.
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 4:15 PM Jon Langeler 
> wrote:
>
> What kind of support is included with managed routers? Selling points?
> What happens if the router dies over a weekend?
>
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> 844E is less than $150
>
> we buy direct from calix
>
> we charge $99 "setup fee" and $12/mo for our "managed wifi" service. (we
> retain ownership of all hardware)
>
> excellent take rate so far  :-)
>
> -sean
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:31 PM, Josh Corson 
> wrote:
>
> What's the price on a 844E?
> Vendor?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 16, 2017, at 11:13 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Yeah the cloud software is what makes calix awesome.
>
> The hardware is high end 802.11ac gear.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 9:58 PM David Kunat  wrote:
>
> Do you use their cloud management with the 844E?
>
> On Jan 16, 2017, at 7:37 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Calix 844E
>
>
> - Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 9:28 PM Josh Corson 
> wrote:
>
> What does everyone use/offer for managed customer routers?
>
>
>
> We use the Cambium R200P router currently, however we are looking for
>
> one with better wireless range. In general circumstances the router
>
> works fine, but we are looking for a good all in one, manageable
>
> router with excellent range - and maybe dual band (I know the R201P
>
> exists). The R200P seems pricey for simply single band 2.4ghz.
>
>
>
> Not too hung up on the ability to power the CPE through the router.
>
> Poe bricks are fine.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

2017-01-09 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Compared to SlingTV or Vue (or Hulu, HBO GO, etc.) DTVN has a long ways to
go on the stability side.  I've had it around a month and while live TV has
gotten to just a few stalls per night, on demand is still unusable.

That said, apple TV for 3 months pre-paid means they have 3 months to make
it work right?

On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 4:59 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I like the captions.  I can sit here with kids and grandkids with prairie
> home companion playing and still watch a show with really decent caption
> text.
>
> Playing past episodes of shows is till dicey.  I will go to Roku for that
> for now.  I tried playing some episodes of The Profit several times only to
> have them quit in the  middle.  I like the video quality of the apple TV,
> but it still pauses now and then on live TV.  Being an early adopter I have
> patience.  But it better be better than Roku/Playstation VUE in a year or
> it is history.
>
> DirectTV Now has the best guide.  On the PC it kills the show you are
> watching while looking at the guile.  On the AppleTV  it has the show
> playing behind  the guide.
>
> I still go to Sling and then, but not sure I need it for anything.  I may
> have my HBO accounts coupled to it.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 802.11ad Deployment in a House

2016-11-16 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Sorry, a bit late on the reply on this one...

With beamforming antennas, you might be surprised what it can accomplish
in-room even at knee level.  I like your idea.  60GHz bounces off of walls
and other objects very well.

-Hal

On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 12:42 PM Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:

> Yes, that sounds about right.
>
>
>
> Taking a closer look at the properties of 802.11ad, maybe they need to
> make a “thin” device for each room with Ethernet.
>
>
>
> Something like an in wall (1Gang) unit that has POE from the central
> location, a GigE Ethernet port and a thin 6’ flat cable with a small 60GHz
> array at the end that sticks on the wall.
>
>
>
> Then you could get that antenna up higher for LOS in the room without
> using a ceiling AP?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 12, 2016 10:03 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 802.11ad Deployment in a House
>
>
>
> I think the idea is that 11ad will be opportunistic offload. For
> enterprise it makes a lot of sense because you have dense users and ceiling
> mounted APs.  For home it is a little more challenging because you would
> need one in each room that you want to "offload" to 60GHz.
>
>
>
> The applications where 60ghz makes sense is where you would think
> seriously about using a wire (where you need high bandwidth, low latency -
> basically a wire experience).  Video streaming, gaming, that sort of stuff
> would be the low-hanging fruit.
>
>
>
> -Hal
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 8:06 AM Seth Mattinen <se...@rollernet.us> wrote:
>
> On 11/12/16 7:04 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > I would think that 60 GHz "might" be useful if the AP and a UHD TV were
> > in the same room, and your 2.4GHz and 5GHz channels were all trash
> > because of close proximity of neighbors.
> >
> > But overall, I think it would be more trouble than most consumers can
> > deal with.
>
>
> I've been using a 60GHz HDMI bridge for several years between the AV
> gear and the projector. Works great unless the cat sits on it because
> it's warm.
>
> ~Seth
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 802.11ad Deployment in a House

2016-11-12 Thread Harold Bledsoe

I think the idea is that 11ad will be opportunistic offload. For enterprise
it makes a lot of sense because you have dense users and ceiling mounted
APs.  For home it is a little more challenging because you would need one
in each room that you want to "offload" to 60GHz.

The applications where 60ghz makes sense is where you would think seriously
about using a wire (where you need high bandwidth, low latency - basically
a wire experience).  Video streaming, gaming, that sort of stuff would be
the low-hanging fruit.

-Hal

On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 8:06 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 11/12/16 7:04 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > I would think that 60 GHz "might" be useful if the AP and a UHD TV were
> > in the same room, and your 2.4GHz and 5GHz channels were all trash
> > because of close proximity of neighbors.
> >
> > But overall, I think it would be more trouble than most consumers can
> > deal with.
>
>
> I've been using a 60GHz HDMI bridge for several years between the AV
> gear and the projector. Works great unless the cat sits on it because
> it's warm.
>
> ~Seth
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Golf Cart Batts

2016-10-03 Thread Harold Bledsoe

LOL... in europe this week.  They working day has begun!  ;-)

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 9:04 AM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sush... We're sleeping
>
> On Oct 2, 2016 11:48 PM, "Harold Bledsoe" <hbledso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If you have a batteries plus store they aren't bad either.
>
> https://www.batteriesplus.com/
>
> On Sunday, October 2, 2016, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Do any of the big box stores carry golf cart batts.  I need a GC2 107 aH
> for my warehouse floor scrubbing machine.
>
>
> --
>
> Harold Bledsoe
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Golf Cart Batts

2016-10-02 Thread Harold Bledsoe

If you have a batteries plus store they aren't bad either.

https://www.batteriesplus.com/

On Sunday, October 2, 2016, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Do any of the big box stores carry golf cart batts.  I need a GC2 107 aH
> for my warehouse floor scrubbing machine.
>


-- 

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

2016-09-16 Thread Harold Bledsoe

RE Google, I don't think it is just a cost thing. I mean they aren't short
on cash.

I suspect the other major factor is time. It takes a long time to build out
fiber to everyone.

Then there's the regulatory challenges they face in every market...

-Hal

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016, 9:19 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:

> And that is why Google is finally figuring out that wireless is cheaper.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:08 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
> Fiber has a very long usable life.  Probably 75 years or more.
>
>
>
> 43 month doubling your money is like 8% ROI.  Not too bad.
>
>
>
> Then at month 44 it is infinite ROI.  How can you complain about that?
>
>
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:56 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
> That's why telco's and cableco's use a 20 or 30 year ROI.
>
> Travis
>
> On 9/15/2016 3:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Takes a long time to pay 43m back with 500/mo revenue.
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 5:17 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> But how do you pay for your fiber installation if you don't charge $500
> for gig speeds?
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:37 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
> I’ve written about this multiple times and if I remember right Mike, you
> hammered me.
>
>
>
> We are also doing marketing tests right now and found that even if
> CenturyLink can’t maintain NetFlix without buffering with a supposed 10Mbps
> circuit, offering 50Mbps at the same price doesn’t get people to change
> although that’s early results.   We are finding price is better.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
>
>
> I remember hearing Chuck Hogg and Gerard Dupont @ Shelby Wireless explain
> when they started fiber they left it wide open for a few months just to
> seethey did not see an unusually large change just because service was
> wide open
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:02 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
> Back in the early days, I doubled the speeds of all of our customers 2 or
> 3 times due to competitive pressures and advancements in Canopy.  I never
> increased the price, just went from 256 to 512 to 1024.  Never saw an
> increase in the bandwidth usage on our uplinks.
>
>
>
> What could a Bob and Sally homeowner and their kids do to make a
> significant usage of a Gig?  Of course everyone thinks it is sexy and the
> next thing  you gotta have, but there only so many 4K 3D TVs a person can
> watch at one time.  I guess they could host a server farm etc, but most
> folks will not even fully utilize 50M in the near future.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
> Interesting.
>
>
>
> Of course, one way to read the numbers is they could “upgrade” all the
> 110/50 customers to 1000/1000 and the only change would be $400 less
> revenue per month, and probably no more bandwidth usage.  This is probably
> the marketing approach of most gigabit ISPs.  If some killer app comes out
> that actually uses gigabit speeds, their bluff is called.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:40 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
>
>
> One subscriber at the gig level
>
>
>
>
> http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

2016-08-07 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Ditto and I liked the Goonies growing up too...

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016, 12:47 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I'm watching it right now with my wife. It's fantastic so far. As a kid
> from 81, it seems very homey to me :) Oh, and the soundtrack is amazing!
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 10:02 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> We binge watched Stranger Things... Very rare thing for me... I like the
>> Tunnel on PBS Sunday Nights...
>>
>> On Aug 7, 2016 7:48 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>>> And a prehensile tail.
>>>
>>> [image: spider_monkey]
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard 
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 11:34 PM
>>> *To:* af 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>>>
>>> I wish I had four thumbs... I think.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:48 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Hunt for the Wilderepeople.

 4 thumbs up!

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Two Foot 5ghz DP Dishes

2016-08-04 Thread Harold Bledsoe

IgniteNet 5ghz dishes have a radio mount and hood that is quite "other
vendor" friendly. :-)

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016, 10:14 AM Matt  wrote:

> Anyone out there using the Hana Wireless 2 foot 5ghz dishes?  ARC ones
> are back ordered and looking for alternatives.  Really like the radio
> mount on the ARC dishes though the dishes dent rather easily.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review

2016-07-23 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Jay,

Was it dark for you? And I mean literally dark as in can't see the
characters in some of the scenes. I'm wondering if the projector in this
theater was on its last legs or if that was by design.

Hal

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016, 8:54 PM CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> So comments
>
> Stuff blows up.
> Music rocks my world.
> Go see it.  You won't be disappointed
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review
> Date: Fri, Jul 22, 2016 6:53 PM
>
> Did women run up to the stage and flash their breasts?  That seems to have
> been a thing at Bon Jovi concerts.
>
> Oh, and did I hear Richie Sambora left the band or died or something?
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson 
> *Sent:* Friday, July 22, 2016 6:21 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review
>
> I just went to a Bon Jovi concert about a year ago... one of the best
> concerts I have ever been to... he was on stage performing for almost 3
> hours straight... pretty amazing.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 7/22/2016 4:01 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I guess it’s been awhile since I’ve been to an IMAX theater, the last time
> was to see Shine A Light.  Took my son.  He got the genuine rock concert
> experience - he was deaf for about 2 days.  (although it’s tough to tell if
> a millennial is deaf or just ignoring you)  Your dB meter would probably
> have been off the scale.
>
> Both my kids are probably deaf because of me, I took my daughter to a Bon
> Jovi concert when she was about 10 (her idea, not mine).  Everyone but the
> two of us were of the age to have been teenagers in 1985, I guess hair
> bands have a very specific fan base.
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, July 22, 2016 4:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review
>
>
> I have a dB spl app on my I phone.  I see many movies exceeding 90 dBm and
> that is uncomfortable for me.
>
> 85 is a nice comfortable limit.  Even with my old ears.
> My kids are fine watching a move at 75 or 80.
>
> I broke it out in church last week because I thought the organist was a
> bit heavy on the gas pedal.  Yep, he was hitting 92 dB.
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
> *Sent:* Friday, July 22, 2016 3:23 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review
>
> Star Trek:. Beyond
>
> The first thing I noticed was how ultimately large the IMAX screen is.
>
> I also thought the speakers are incredibly loud.  Maybe even louder than
> Chuck mccown's personal home theatre.
>
> The acting was supurb...the audience is very patient and of the mixed race
> variety.
>
> The local advertisements and "screen vision" promos prevented parts of the
> showing from being overly boringbut just barely.
>
> Stay tuned for further developments / breaking news.  Showing starts in 25
> minutes.
>
> Maybe I'll even beat Mccown to the review..
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Metrolinq

2016-07-22 Thread Harold Bledsoe

Georgia is not THAT different from Ohio...

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:31 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> It's cool, I figure you're from one of those countries that haven't been
> to the moon.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> LOL!  Stefan does!  ;-)
>>
>> Thanks for the 'merica units help.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:19 PM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
> 45 and 125 mph.  No one knows what you're talking about with the meaters.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's actually fairly forgiving.  Our 1.1km link has not lost connection
>>>> from wind at all and it has been up above 70kph.  The standard and LR
>>>> brackets are both tested to 200kph for your reference.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> -Hal
>>>>
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 7:53 AM Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We are planning to use them on 10-12m steel poles. The poles are very
>>>>> solid built and with a concrete
>>>>> <http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/concrete.html> foundation
>>>>> <http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/foundation.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> but they might sway a bit due to the length with heavy wind. Is this
>>>>> critical? Is failover with 5Ghz fast enough to
>>>>>
>>>>> overcome short moves?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Faisal Imtiaz
>>>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 21. Juli 2016 21:34
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Metrolinq
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So having dealt with multiple links, I can tell you that if you are
>>>>> missing some db's it has to do with alignment.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We are seeing -55/-59 on our 450m link
>>>>>
>>>>>  and on our 250m link we are seeing -43/-47 signal (and had to reduce
>>>>> power on 60ghz on one side.. .i.e. we are not aligned perfectly )
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So I can say affirmatively there is no 'missing power' it has to do
>>>>> with alignment...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>>>
>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *"Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net>
>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:14:16 PM
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Metrolinq
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you get the calculated rx-power?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *Im
>>>>> Auftrag von *Faisal Imtiaz
>>>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 21. Juli 2016 20:33
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Metrolinq
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be appropriate to point out that there are two versions or
>>>>> Metrolinq 60ghz Radios one smaller lower power and other larger higher
>>>>> power.
>>>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Metrolinq

2016-07-22 Thread Harold Bledsoe

LOL!  Stefan does!  ;-)

Thanks for the 'merica units help.

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:19 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> 45 and 125 mph.  No one knows what you're talking about with the meaters.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It's actually fairly forgiving.  Our 1.1km link has not lost connection
>> from wind at all and it has been up above 70kph.  The standard and LR
>> brackets are both tested to 200kph for your reference.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Hal
>>
>
>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 7:53 AM Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> wrote:
>>
>>> We are planning to use them on 10-12m steel poles. The poles are very
>>> solid built and with a concrete
>>> <http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/concrete.html> foundation
>>> <http://www.dict.cc/englisch-deutsch/foundation.html>
>>>
>>> but they might sway a bit due to the length with heavy wind. Is this
>>> critical? Is failover with 5Ghz fast enough to
>>>
>>> overcome short moves?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Faisal Imtiaz
>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 21. Juli 2016 21:34
>>>
>>>
>>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Metrolinq
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So having dealt with multiple links, I can tell you that if you are
>>> missing some db's it has to do with alignment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are seeing -55/-59 on our 450m link
>>>
>>>  and on our 250m link we are seeing -43/-47 signal (and had to reduce
>>> power on 60ghz on one side.. .i.e. we are not aligned perfectly )
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So I can say affirmatively there is no 'missing power' it has to do with
>>> alignment...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>
>>>
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:14:16 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Metrolinq
>>>
>>> Do you get the calculated rx-power?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *Im
>>> Auftrag von *Faisal Imtiaz
>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 21. Juli 2016 20:33
>>>
>>>
>>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Metrolinq
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It would be appropriate to point out that there are two versions or
>>> Metrolinq 60ghz Radios one smaller lower power and other larger higher
>>> power.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have been using the larger units (Circular cones) for links 250m to
>>> 450m successfully.. aiming them with the shipping brackets is a whole
>>> another challenge.. I am very happy to the the LR brackets available and
>>> those should go long ways is aligning longer links. .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>
>>>
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>
>>>
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:57:41 AM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Metrolinq
>>>
>>> We haven't had any issues with 5GHz but the 60GHz side underwhelms.  We
>>> tried a 900' link and couldn't get the 60Ghz side to work.  We were able to
>>> move one end and get it down to 600' and have a 60GHz link at -55 but that
>>> is 10-15db below where it should be.  It's working, but at this point I
>>> wouldn't use it f

Re: [AFMUG] Metrolinq

2016-07-22 Thread Harold Bledsoe

It's actually fairly forgiving.  Our 1.1km link has not lost connection
from wind at all and it has been up above 70kph.  The standard and LR
brackets are both tested to 200kph for your reference.

Thanks,
-Hal

On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 7:53 AM Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

> We are planning to use them on 10-12m steel poles. The poles are very
> solid built and with a concrete
>  foundation
> 
>
> but they might sway a bit due to the length with heavy wind. Is this
> critical? Is failover with 5Ghz fast enough to
>
> overcome short moves?
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 21. Juli 2016 21:34
>
>
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Metrolinq
>
>
>
> So having dealt with multiple links, I can tell you that if you are
> missing some db's it has to do with alignment.
>
>
>
> We are seeing -55/-59 on our 450m link
>
>  and on our 250m link we are seeing -43/-47 signal (and had to reduce
> power on 60ghz on one side.. .i.e. we are not aligned perfectly )
>
>
>
> So I can say affirmatively there is no 'missing power' it has to do with
> alignment...
>
>
>
> :)
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
>
>
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Stefan Englhardt" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
>
>
> *Sent: *Thursday, July 21, 2016 3:14:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Metrolinq
>
> Do you get the calculated rx-power?
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *Im
> Auftrag von *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 21. Juli 2016 20:33
>
>
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Metrolinq
>
>
>
> It would be appropriate to point out that there are two versions or
> Metrolinq 60ghz Radios one smaller lower power and other larger higher
> power.
>
>
>
> We have been using the larger units (Circular cones) for links 250m to
> 450m successfully.. aiming them with the shipping brackets is a whole
> another challenge.. I am very happy to the the LR brackets available and
> those should go long ways is aligning longer links. .
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
>
>
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Carl Peterson" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
>
>
> *Sent: *Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:57:41 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Metrolinq
>
> We haven't had any issues with 5GHz but the 60GHz side underwhelms.  We
> tried a 900' link and couldn't get the 60Ghz side to work.  We were able to
> move one end and get it down to 600' and have a 60GHz link at -55 but that
> is 10-15db below where it should be.  It's working, but at this point I
> wouldn't use it for anything over 500' or so.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
>
>
> We’ve only dfs bands in 5 GHz. Metrolinq supports only the lower band with
> lower allowed power (1W EiRP).
>
> I’ve installed the newest FW before doing anything so I might be lucky to
> avoid the biggest problems (hopefully).
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 21. Juli 2016 16:30
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] Metrolinq
>
>
>
> Interesting.. most folks have the opposite issue.
>
>
>
> FWIW, there is no dfs support on 5ghz (not sure about non-american rules).
>
> If you are bench testing... you need to turn down the power on 5ghz .. way
> down
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Stefan Englhardt" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, July 21, 2016 8:13:34 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Metrolinq
>
> Got my first links. 60GHz work fine in lab. The 5GHz Part does strange
> things. Does not initialze or does not connect.
>
> Syslog gives dfs or cant initialize messages.
>
> 60GHz is up immediately und runs stable in lab. Latency is low. Feels like
> a 1G cable connection. Powered by Netonix 24V.
>
> Takes only 6 Watts. Good build quality. Webinterface is easy and fast.
>
>
>
> So a cheap option for fast short hops where you dont want to dig.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
>
>
>
>

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