Re: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process

[Jeremy via Af]

Actually, one of the best craft breweries in the world is located right
here at 825 S. State.  Epic brewing exclusively brews high gravity beers.
You can even buy it cold at the brewery, even on Sundays!  The laws have
changed quite a bit over the last few years.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:

>   Utah is not your  friend if you are looking for beer above 3.2%.
>
>  *From:* Jeremy via Af 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2014 10:06 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process
>
>  Here herea 8.5% Double IPA!
>
> On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Chuck McCown via Af 
> wrote:
>
>>   I think we all owe you a beer at AF.
>>
>>  *From:* Paul McCall via Af 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:06 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process
>>
>>
>> Friday is the day that we have scheduled to actually “flip the switch” to
>> running off the different header format.  Sorry if that was confusing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Step 1 - get as many people pre-Amazon Authorized as possible.  We sent
>> out the Amazon Verification email yesterday.  My understanding is that it
>> is only good for 24 hours.  So, after that 24 period ends today, we will
>> send another one out to those that haven’t gotten authorized, at the end of
>> today.  That is a manual process on our end, so we will do it just the one
>> last time.
>>
>>
>>
>> Step 2 - Friday (before noon EST) we will flip the switch.  The header
>> format will change after that time.  We will monitor it to make sure
>> everything is doing what it is supposed to.  Un-Verified subscribers of the
>> list will still be able to read the list, but not send to the list.  If
>> they want to generate the Amazon verification email because perhaps they
>> missed the timing on the emails sent this week, they can send an email to
>> af-unsubscr...@afmug.com, get OFF the list, and re-subscribe (
>> af-subscr...@afmug.com ) then they will get the Amazon verification
>> email and then the AFMUG verification email.
>>
>>
>>
>> The person who generates the most complaints to the process on the list
>> is required to my all my beer at AFMUG.  J
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, Pres.
>>
>> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 office
>>
>> 772-473-0352 cell
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process

[Jeremy via Af]

Here herea 8.5% Double IPA!

On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:

>   I think we all owe you a beer at AF.
>
>  *From:* Paul McCall via Af 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 31, 2014 6:06 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Restating the AFMUG List change process
>
>
> Friday is the day that we have scheduled to actually “flip the switch” to
> running off the different header format.  Sorry if that was confusing.
>
>
>
> Step 1 - get as many people pre-Amazon Authorized as possible.  We sent
> out the Amazon Verification email yesterday.  My understanding is that it
> is only good for 24 hours.  So, after that 24 period ends today, we will
> send another one out to those that haven’t gotten authorized, at the end of
> today.  That is a manual process on our end, so we will do it just the one
> last time.
>
>
>
> Step 2 - Friday (before noon EST) we will flip the switch.  The header
> format will change after that time.  We will monitor it to make sure
> everything is doing what it is supposed to.  Un-Verified subscribers of the
> list will still be able to read the list, but not send to the list.  If
> they want to generate the Amazon verification email because perhaps they
> missed the timing on the emails sent this week, they can send an email to
> af-unsubscr...@afmug.com, get OFF the list, and re-subscribe (
> af-subscr...@afmug.com ) then they will get the Amazon verification email
> and then the AFMUG verification email.
>
>
>
> The person who generates the most complaints to the process on the list is
> required to my all my beer at AFMUG.  J
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

[Jeremy via Af]

...the ex owners and their parents are both customers of ours.

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> Kind of a funny storyour NOC was originally built as a large warehouse
> for an online store which sold on Amazon.  They were making well over 1mil
> a year in profit.  What some people don't realize is that Amazon looks at
> the stores that are making the most and then they sell those products at a
> reduced price, or with free shipping, driving the Amazon affiliates out of
> business.  By the time they saw the writing on the wall it was too late.
> They lost everything.  The building stayed and happened to have an empty
> server room and dark fiber, with rooftop access.  The rest is history
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>
>>   I don’t think you’re supposed to notice anything until tomorrow.  The
>> point of getting everyone’s email address verified is so they can send mail
>> after the switch gets flipped.
>>
>> The whole Amazon thing does feel kind of autocratic though.  It’s the
>> Amazon way or the highway.  Which I guess should not be surprising.  Ask
>> the authors whose books are sold on Amazon.  I mean, they’re the freakin’
>> Amazon.  We are but insignificant puny beings compared to the giant
>> Amazon.  Who are you to question the great Amazon.  If you wish to benefit
>> from its awesome power, you will submit to its rules.
>>
>>
>>  *From:* Tyler Treat via Af 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 8:58 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
>>
>>  Yeah.  I noticed no change
>>
>> ___
>> Mangled by my iPhone.
>> ___________
>>
>> Tyler Treat
>> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
>> ___
>>
>>
>> On Dec 30, 2014, at 8:50 PM, Jeremy via Af  wrote:
>>
>>  So now instead of 'josh via afmug' it is 'josh via amazonses'?  Am I
>> missing something here?
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>>
>>>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMBXhDcogcI
>>>
>>>  *From:* Bill Prince via Af 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 5:50 PM
>>>  *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
>>>
>>>   I heard them whisper about feeling sorry for you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/30/2014 12:50 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
>>>
>>>  I could try, but they are all over 18 and some of them outweigh me.
>>> (I do have boxing gloves, hard to get them to spar with me for some
>>> reason.  Fear, pity, respect, apathy?)
>>>
>>>
>>>  *From:* That One Guy via Af 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:42 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
>>>
>>>  Im so happy Im not even going to beat my kids tonite
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>>>   Well then obviously GMail is broken.
>>>>
>>>>  *From:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:14 PM
>>>>  *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
>>>>
>>>>   Gmail is labeling it as spam - ouch!
>>>>
>>>> Mine came at 1:24 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Jason McKemie via Af 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Read Paul's email.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Dennis Burgess via Af 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  I registered and/or clicked that link and its still coming from
>>>>>> af@afmug.com ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
&

Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

[Jeremy via Af]

Kind of a funny storyour NOC was originally built as a large warehouse
for an online store which sold on Amazon.  They were making well over 1mil
a year in profit.  What some people don't realize is that Amazon looks at
the stores that are making the most and then they sell those products at a
reduced price, or with free shipping, driving the Amazon affiliates out of
business.  By the time they saw the writing on the wall it was too late.
They lost everything.  The building stayed and happened to have an empty
server room and dark fiber, with rooftop access.  The rest is history

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

>   I don’t think you’re supposed to notice anything until tomorrow.  The
> point of getting everyone’s email address verified is so they can send mail
> after the switch gets flipped.
>
> The whole Amazon thing does feel kind of autocratic though.  It’s the
> Amazon way or the highway.  Which I guess should not be surprising.  Ask
> the authors whose books are sold on Amazon.  I mean, they’re the freakin’
> Amazon.  We are but insignificant puny beings compared to the giant
> Amazon.  Who are you to question the great Amazon.  If you wish to benefit
> from its awesome power, you will submit to its rules.
>
>
>  *From:* Tyler Treat via Af 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 8:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
>
>  Yeah.  I noticed no change
>
> ___
> Mangled by my iPhone.
> ___
>
> Tyler Treat
> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>
> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
> ___
>
>
> On Dec 30, 2014, at 8:50 PM, Jeremy via Af  wrote:
>
>  So now instead of 'josh via afmug' it is 'josh via amazonses'?  Am I
> missing something here?
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>
>>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMBXhDcogcI
>>
>>  *From:* Bill Prince via Af 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 5:50 PM
>>  *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
>>
>>   I heard them whisper about feeling sorry for you.
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 12/30/2014 12:50 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
>>
>>  I could try, but they are all over 18 and some of them outweigh me.
>> (I do have boxing gloves, hard to get them to spar with me for some
>> reason.  Fear, pity, respect, apathy?)
>>
>>
>>  *From:* That One Guy via Af 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:42 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
>>
>>  Im so happy Im not even going to beat my kids tonite
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>>
>>>   Well then obviously GMail is broken.
>>>
>>>  *From:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:14 PM
>>>  *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
>>>
>>>   Gmail is labeling it as spam - ouch!
>>>
>>> Mine came at 1:24 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Jason McKemie via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Read Paul's email.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Dennis Burgess via Af 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  I registered and/or clicked that link and its still coming from
>>>>> af@afmug.com ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>>>>>
>>>>> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>>>> via Af
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:05 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The "From" was definitely broken.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>
>>>>&

Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

[Jeremy via Af]

So now instead of 'josh via afmug' it is 'josh via amazonses'?  Am I
missing something here?

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMBXhDcogcI
>
>  *From:* Bill Prince via Af 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 5:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
>
>  I heard them whisper about feeling sorry for you.
>
> --
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/30/2014 12:50 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
>
>  I could try, but they are all over 18 and some of them outweigh me.
> (I do have boxing gloves, hard to get them to spar with me for some
> reason.  Fear, pity, respect, apathy?)
>
>
>  *From:* That One Guy via Af 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
>
>  Im so happy Im not even going to beat my kids tonite
>
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>
>>   Well then obviously GMail is broken.
>>
>>  *From:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:14 PM
>>  *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
>>
>>   Gmail is labeling it as spam - ouch!
>>
>> Mine came at 1:24 PM
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Jason McKemie via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Read Paul's email.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014, Dennis Burgess via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
  I registered and/or clicked that link and its still coming from
 af@afmug.com ;)



 Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

 den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
 via Af
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:05 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?



 The "From" was definitely broken.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


  --

 *From: *"Josh Luthman via Af" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56:25 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?

 Trick question, wasn't broken.




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Paul McCall via Af 
 wrote:

 Maybe J



 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
 via Af
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:13 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?



 a yes or a no




 --

 All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
 the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
 can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
 use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925





>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
>  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Simple Alarm Panel

[Jeremy via Af]

Ah yes, missed the email part.

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Matt via Af  wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Jeremy via Af  wrote:
> > Site Monitor?
>
> Does not email notifications AFAIK.
>
> >> > Looking for an economical device with contact closure inputs that will
> >> > send
> >> > email and text alerts using a provided Internet connection.  Say a
> door
> >> > is
> >> > opened at a tower site I want an email or text message or both.
> Anyone
> >> > know of anything?  Thinking of using something like an Arduino but
> hate
> >> > to
> >> > reinvent the wheel.
>

Re: [AFMUG] test

[Jeremy via Af]

Ground Control Affirmative.

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Jerry Head via Af  wrote:

> Can you hear me Major Tom?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Double postings on AF list - Fix?

[Jeremy via Af]

>From Josh:

"In regards to 1 go here and disable sending yourself your own messages

http://afmug.com/mailman/options/af



On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Andreas Wiatowski via Af 
wrote:

>  Hi All,
>
>
>
> Ever since the new list I get posts x2. Is everyone seeing the same thing?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
>
> Silo Wireless Inc.
>
> 1-866-727-4138 x-600
>
> Web: www.silowireless.com
>
> Facebook: www.facebook.com/silowireless
>
> Twitter: @silowireless
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm Hotel info - UPDATE

[Jeremy via Af]

Well I'd love to stay in a newly remodeled hotel.  I think I'll try the
Shilo Holiday Express tomorrow and see if I have any luck.  How many others
have reserved there successfully?

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:

>  As long as they open up the back gate at the Fairpark it's 1 TRAX stop,
> or .8 miles from the Ramada.
>
>
> On 12/29/2014 5:40 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af wrote:
>
> Shuttle this year or should we rent a van again?  ;-)
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Dec 29, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Traci via Af  wrote:
>
>  They are changing from the Shilo to the Holiday Inn. We have had
> multiple people tell us that when they call to reserve they are told that
> the hotel will not be open until mid-February. The hotel manager has
> assured us many time that is not the case. But if people can't call and
> reserve then we have a problem. If you can get through to someone there who
> will take your reservation then great, but we figured we had better have an
> alternative lined up.
>
> On 12/29/2014 4:28 PM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
>
> I see you've taken the shilo/holiday inn completely off the afmug page
> now.  Was there some problem with it, or were they full?
>
>
>
>  On 12/29/2014 12:44 PM, Traci via Af wrote:
>
>  We have secured another hotel for AF attendees. Years ago we used this
> hotel, since it has been completely renovated. The Ramada Inn is just West
> of the Fairpark and is a free Trax ride to the show. It is also on the
> Airport Trax line, so you can go from the airport directly to the hotel.
> $80 per night is the rate and includes a continental breakfast and free
> internet. Of course you can stay anywhere you wish, there are many nice
> hotels in downtown Salt Lake City. This is just an option.
>
>
>   Ramada Inn
>
>  1659 West North Temple
>
>  801-533-9000
>
>
>   We will update the website today with this information as well.
>
>  Thanks - see you in a few weeks!
>
>  Traci
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Simple Alarm Panel

[Jeremy via Af]

Site Monitor?

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Daniel White via Af  wrote:

> Ubiquiti mFi?
>
> http://www.ubnt.com/mfi/mport/
>
> Daniel White
> (303) 746-3590
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
> > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 6:32 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Simple Alarm Panel
> >
> > Looking for an economical device with contact closure inputs that will
> send
> > email and text alerts using a provided Internet connection.  Say a door
> is
> > opened at a tower site I want an email or text message or both.  Anyone
> > know of anything?  Thinking of using something like an Arduino but hate
> to
> > reinvent the wheel.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting Brackets against irregular surface brick

[Jeremy via Af]

Is that the only option?  Are you trying to mount a J-Pole or what type of
bracket?

On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Rory Conaway via Af  wrote:

> I’ve got some buildings that have a decorative brick on the side that has
> peaks and valleys of up to 1.5” I need to mount brackets against them
> meaning I need a tool that can ream away the brick until I have a smooth
> area to mount the bracket against it. Imagine a hole saw that that is just
> flat or something like a counter sink tool.  Can someone please tell me
> what that’s called?
>
>
>
> Rory Conaway
> Triad Wireless
> 4226 S. 37th Street
> Phoenix, Az.  85040
> 602-426-0542
> r...@triadwireless.net
> www.triadwireless.net
>
>
>
> “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Chrismas Present woes

[Jeremy via Af]

If I had a tower in their field I'd drive out there and figure it
outeven if it means buying them a new router.

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

> I had a customer call with a similar sounding issue today, but they have a
> Linksys E1550 (I think that was a crappy special for Best Buy model.)
> Oddly, their WiFi-only iPad is fine.
>
> FWIW, there has been much bitching on Apple forums about WiFi problems
> ever since the iOS 8 upgrade for older iPhones.
>
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/11/20/ios-8-1-1-problems/
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Jay Weekley via Af
> Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 9:51 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Chrismas Present woes
>
> Not yet. This just came in a few hours ago.
>
> Colin Stanners via Af wrote:
>
>>
>> I've seen apple phones that seemed to have wireless compatibility issues
>> with some routers' older firmware - try a firmware update?
>>
>> On Dec 26, 2014 9:41 PM, "Jay Weekley via Af" > af@afmug.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Got this email from the wife of one of our landlords.
>>
>> "Hey, I'm Bill xx's wife, Barb. I had an Apple phone last year
>> and had no problems connecting to the wireless. A couple months
>> ago, it wouldn't let me connect here at home. I am able to connect
>> to any other wireless anywhere, except here. At first, I thought
>> it was my phone maybe with some updating issues. Bought a new
>> Apple phone today. Wireless worked fine in the store. Once I got
>> home, I am still unable to connect. The wireless works in the
>> house with all other devices. Can you tell me if this is fixable? "
>>
>> Any suggestions? They currently have a Netgear router if that
>> helps. Normally I would tell them to call Apple but we have a
>> tower in their field in exchange for free internet at their house.
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT? Work-as-life

[Jeremy via Af]

I get bored doing nothing.  My vacations are planned out in advance in
great detail so as to always stay busy.  I still check emails.  I answer my
phone pretty much anytime, unless it is an out of state area code (too many
telemarketers).  I am consumed by my work but I still find time for
family.  However, I am pretty much always sitting on this laptop at home.

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:

>   Hard to say.  I get bored sooo freeking easy it drives me crazy.  I
> have a very conventional life.  Married at 22.  8 kids.  Grandparents now.
> Wife always did the wife thing.  I always did  the work thing.  But I am
> jaded when it comes to stimulating the little gray cells.  I would guess
> many on this list are a bit on the restless side as well.
>
> Of all the many positive (or negative)  attributes a person might have
> (smart,  hard worker, honest, inventive, etc etc) the only one that
> correlates with being successful in business is ambition.  And ambitious
> folks are restless.  Talking Soy restless, not Estoy restless.
>
>  *From:* Colin Stanners via Af 
> *Sent:* Friday, December 26, 2014 2:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT? Work-as-life
>
>  Less than an hour ago I went on a rare FB visit and, seeing what others
> were doing, posted a thought:
>
> "Today I will not be doing any work, paid or volunteer projects, other
> than house cleaning.  I don't know this feeling."
>
> Now it seems that may have been a lie as I'm helping troubleshoot router
> issues a country away and sorting a big Monoprice order of A/V gear I
> received for a client.
>
> It seems a number of the more involved people on this list live in the
> same manner: their job/projects are their life... I have also lived and
> struggled with roommates who spent entire months doing nothing.
>
> Is that difference in people based more on personality or the environment?
> Does it get easier or more difficult as you get older? (from physical AF I
> noticed many here were in their 40s-50s)
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report

[Jeremy via Af]

Most every consumer router has the ability to turn on logging.  It will
only show them inbound and outbound IP addresses though.  You have to cross
reference the IP with Google to find out what it is.  It definitely leaves
something to be desired.

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> I asked about something similar a while back. Someone (maybe Mark in
> Florida) showed me pretty much exactly what I was looking for.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> --
> *From: *"Wireless Admin via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, December 26, 2014 11:01:53 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Customer -  Detailed Usage Report
>
>  Can anyone suggest a system that would allow an ISP to provide a
> customer a detailed report on Internet usage. I’m talking about the ability
> to show a customer, on usage based billing, what caused the consumption.
> My thought would be to route the customers IP through a specialized process
> for a limited period of time so details could be collected.  A sort of
> debug mode.
>
>
>
> Steve B
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] I never check FB

[Jeremy via Af]

Yeah, I still talk to him.  He felt that he had to go unlimited due to
increasing competition in his area.  Never say never I guess.

On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af  wrote:

> This list and email is about all for me
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Dec 26, 2014 2:25 PM, "Mike Hammett via Af"  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I'm never logged into FB.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Bill Prince via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, December 26, 2014 3:22:43 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] I never check FB
>>
>> I never log into FB either.   I've never created an account; kind solves
>> several problems at one time.
>>
>> Don't know what happened to Doug.  Maybe that little scare he had a
>> couple years ago caused him to change religion
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 12/26/2014 12:46 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
>>
>>  So, for some reason, I actually logged into FB today.
>> (Good thing I did as it reminded me my sister turns 60 on the first.)
>>
>> And it also showed me that Doug Clark recently had a birthday.
>> I would say “Happy Birthday Doug” if  he was still hanging around with
>> the rest of us.
>>
>> So, then I got to thinking about good old Doug.  Is he still doing his
>> thang??
>>
>> Went to his web site.  Yep, looks like someone is still chugging along up
>> there.  But what is this I see!!!
>>
>> Unlimited usage for the same price???  Holy Crap!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Jeremy via Af]

Yeah, 'DPRK' takedown noticeI was kidding.

On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af  wrote:

> Care too post it?
>
> On December 25, 2014 8:12:50 PM AKST, Jeremy via Af  wrote:
>>
>> I just got a DPRK takedown notice!  TorrentFreak says over 750K people
>> have already pirated it.  I didn't think it would be an issue...
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Boobs!
>>>
>>> On December 25, 2014 7:44:13 PM AKST, Mike Hammett via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "sophomoric, moronic, and extremely poor, gross taste" Those are
>>>> usually the movies I prefer. That and stuff with boobs or things that blow
>>>> up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Rory Conaway via Af" 
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:41:56 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>>>>
>>>> Yea, it was sophomoric, moronic, and extremely poor, gross taste.  I
>>>> watched it out of pure patriotism.  J< /p>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>>> via Af
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:13 PM
>>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Neither actor interest me.  Actually none of the movie fare piques my
>>>> int erest all.  We always go to movies on Christmas Day.
>>>> Oh well.  Enjoy the movie
>>>>
>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 25, 2014 9:03 PM, "Rory Conaway via Af"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We are watching it now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>>>> via Af
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:38 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Interview.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly what you would expect from Rogan and Franco.
>>>>
>>>> Pineapple Express in North Korea.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Instead of video killed the radio star I think it now is - streaming
>>>> has killed the distribution company.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Odd that my wife bought me a book for Christmas.  Half way through it I
>>>> watched the move on YouTube.
>>>>
>>>> The book is “Escape from Camp 14”. Biography of a kid that was born in
>>>> a North Korean prison camp.  He grew up and escaped.  So far he is the only
>>>> one they know about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have read Victor Frankl, Anne Frank and others.
>>>>
>>>> Have seen “Night and Fog” multiple times.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> North Korea is worse in some ways.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>
>>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Jeremy via Af]

I just got a DPRK takedown notice!  TorrentFreak says over 750K people have
already pirated it.  I didn't think it would be an issue...

On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af  wrote:

> Boobs!
>
> On December 25, 2014 7:44:13 PM AKST, Mike Hammett via Af 
> wrote:
>>
>> "sophomoric, moronic, and extremely poor, gross taste" Those are usually
>> the movies I prefer. That and stuff with boobs or things that blow up.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Rory Conaway via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:41:56 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>>
>> Yea, it was sophomoric, moronic, and extremely poor, gross taste.  I
>> watched it out of pure patriotism.  J< /p>
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> via Af
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:13 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>>
>>
>>
>> Neither actor interest me.  Actually none of the movie fare piques my int
>> erest all.  We always go to movies on Christmas Day.
>> Oh well.  Enjoy the movie
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Dec 25, 2014 9:03 PM, "Rory Conaway via Af"  wrote:
>>
>> We are watching it now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
>> Af
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:38 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>>
>>
>>
>> The Interview.
>>
>> Exactly what you would expect from Rogan and Franco.
>>
>> Pineapple Express in North Korea.
>>
>>
>>
>> Instead of video killed the radio star I think it now is - streaming has
>> killed the distribution company.
>>
>>
>>
>> Odd that my wife bought me a book for Christmas.  Half way through it I
>> watched the move on YouTube.
>>
>> The book is “Escape from Camp 14”. Biography of a kid that was born in a
>> North Korean prison camp.  He grew up and escaped.  So far he is the only
>> one they know about.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have read Victor Frankl, Anne Frank and others.
>>
>> Have seen “Night and Fog” multiple times.
>>
>>
>>
>> North Korea is worse in some ways.
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Jeremy via Af]

Sounds awesome!  Downloading now...

On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 9:41 PM, Rory Conaway via Af  wrote:

> Yea, it was sophomoric, moronic, and extremely poor, gross taste.  I
> watched it out of pure patriotism.  J
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza via
> Af
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:13 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>
>
>
> Neither actor interest me.  Actually none of the movie fare piques my
> interest all.  We always go to movies on Christmas Day.
> Oh well.  Enjoy the movie
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Dec 25, 2014 9:03 PM, "Rory Conaway via Af"  wrote:
>
> We are watching it now.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
> Af
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
>
>
>
> The Interview.
>
> Exactly what you would expect from Rogan and Franco.
>
> Pineapple Express in North Korea.
>
>
>
> Instead of video killed the radio star I think it now is - streaming has
> killed the distribution company.
>
>
>
> Odd that my wife bought me a book for Christmas.  Half way through it I
> watched the move on YouTube.
>
> The book is “Escape from Camp 14”. Biography of a kid that was born in a
> North Korean prison camp.  He grew up and escaped.  So far he is the only
> one they know about.
>
>
>
> I have read Victor Frankl, Anne Frank and others.
>
> Have seen “Night and Fog” multiple times.
>
>
>
> North Korea is worse in some ways.
>

Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support

[Jeremy via Af]

Serverplus charges you per customer...more if you want them to do sales.  I
highly doubt they would help a customer move their taskbar back to the
bottom from the right side of their screen.  pccare or whatever would, but
it costs the customer like ten bucks a month for a 'just in case' service.
We just determine that it is not our problem and refer them to the
manufacturer or offer a $44.95 service call to come out and help them.
When we ask for the scheduling they usually say they'll just figure it out.

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 8:15 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
wrote:

>
> thats why i love reverse DHCP based on MAC.  Tell us you have a new
> router, check the bridge table on the SM and update the mac.
> Additionally, a lot of people NAT the sms.  Early days we had trouble with
> that and i've just never liked it...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Philip Rankin via Af 
> *To:* af 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 4:50 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
>
> The first thing the manufacturer does is tell the customer to hard reset
> their router.  If you use pppoe like we do, then someone has to re-setup
> the pppoe information.  You are FAR better off to simply handle your
> customer computer problems yourself and charge a lot for the work!  IMHO!
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>
>> That doesn't quite look like the answer.
>>
>> Maybe one approach is to push these people to call the manufacturer.  I
>> see that Linksys, Netgear, Belkin, DLink all have paid support after 30
>> days. Dell has paid support.  Apple has Applecare.  HP has SmartFriend
>> which seems to cover a wide variety of problems and non HP computers, maybe
>> that's where I should send them:
>>
>> https://h30617.www3.hp.com/HP/subscription-services/index.asp
>>
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Tyler Treat via Af
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:40 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
>>
>> Is securitycoverage.com still relevant?   DTNSpeednet used to push it.
>>
>> ___
>> Mangled by my iPhone.
>> ___
>>
>> Tyler Treat
>> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
>> ___
>>
>>
>> On Dec 24, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there a service out there?  For stuff that's clearly not our problem?
>>>
>>> I'm trying to take a firmer stance about not spending an hour on the
>>> phone walking someone through fixing their computer or router, because they
>>> are too lazy to Google it or use the manufacturer's website, or haven't a
>>> clue when it comes to computers.
>>>
>>> I give them the number for a computer shop, but often they say I can't
>>> pay $100 to have someone fix my computer or router or printer or smart TV.
>>> My business is at the size where I'm not big enough to make computer repair
>>> a profit center, but if I keep doing this stuff for free, I'm going to have
>>> to hire someone to do it, and that's not a cost I can absorb.
>>>
>>> Is there a place maybe with call centers in India that will do this for
>>> less?  I know the telcos offer this service for a monthly fee, and I assume
>>> they are outsourcing it.  Note that I'm not talking about phone support for
>>> Internet problems.
>>>
>>> Oh, and kudos to Apple for fixing the NTP vulnerability without asking
>>> permission.  I can't believe the media is portraying this in a negative
>>> light.  I'm tired of people who don't keep their computers and routers and
>>> other devices updated.  Do people drive their cars until the engine freezes
>>> up because they are too lazy or cheap or clueless to get the oil changed?
>>> I suppose some do.  Maybe we need the government to come do all these
>>> things for us.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
>  Philip J. Rankin
> Wireless Telecommunications Services
> PO Box 24
> Pittsburg, KS  66762
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous...

[Jeremy via Af]

Something about that tower doesn't seem right.  I can't quite put my finger
on it

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:

>   I think that is called a Wouff-Hong.
> Right after a fight to the death with a Rettysnitch.
>
>  *From:* Scott Vander Dussen via Af 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 24, 2014 3:21 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous...
>
>
> What the heck is this?  Is that some type of foot claw animal thing that
> has been ripped from its body?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway via
> Af
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 23, 2014 18:59
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] If you think working is dangerous...
>
>
>
> Try working on it on the ground
>
>
>
>
>
> Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® 5
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna

[Jeremy via Af]

Can't you use the 3GHz KP Boomerang and a connectorized SM?  Or are you
just looking for a reflector for the non-connectorized SM?

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

> Yeah, I can get very creative about mounting a reflector dish anywhere.
> Wallmount, fascia mount, soffit mount, eave mount, upside-down J-pipe
> mount, tripod, non-pen, etc.
>
> -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 6:50 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna
>
> Connectorized SM + $150 panel (L-com) = not cheap either.
>
> On 12/23/2014 6:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>
>> But maybe a Force style mini-dish.  Plus the fins on the back, it would
>> look cool.  Hate to think about the price.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 6:41 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna
>>
>> Maybe we'll get an integrated panel SM with the PMP455. No, probably not.
>>
>> On 12/23/2014 6:37 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>>
>>> Either of these appear to let you mount at 45 degrees:
>>> http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna-35-ghz-16-dbi-dual-
>>> polarized-panel-antenna
>>> http://www.mars-antennas.com/MA-WA36-DP21
>>>
>>> What I really want is this, but it apparently doesn't exist yet:
>>> http://www.mars-antennas.com/MA-WA36-DP19
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Matt via Af
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 6:17 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] 450 3.65 SM Antenna
>>>
>>> I have a few places I need more gain then a bare 450 3.65 SM but
>>> cannot fit a reflector.  Is there a small panel antenna that works
>>> with the 450 3.65 SM?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - stuff Staples carries

[Jeremy via Af]

Time to cancel your credit card.

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

> Somewhere I have a box with a few new PCI modems left over from when we
> still did dialup, I think we used to buy 10-packs.  Not sure if I still
> have the driver disk.  If I find them, I should send them to you.  There
> should be a big box of DSL filters and another big box of Cisco T1 WIC
> cards in the same place.  Soon to be joined by a big box of FSK radios.
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Matt Jenkins via Af
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 4:04 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - stuff Staples carries
>
>
> We still signup 1 new dialup customer every few months. And we are very
> glad staples caries those modems.
>
> Matthew Jenkins
> SmarterBroadband
> m...@sbbinc.net
> 530.272.4000
>
> On 12/20/2014 06:17 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>
>> I couldn't find a mini USB cable so I ran out to the closest place which
>> is Staples.  They had Netgear and Linksys AC3200 routers for just under
>> $300, but on the next shelf they had a Zoom USB to v.92 modem dongle.
>> Something for everyone.
>>
>> That Netgear Nighthawk X6 looks like a futuristic weapon.  Or a giant
>> dead bug.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

[Jeremy via Af]

I've only had Android crashing issues when experimenting with ported roms
from new devices, hacked to run on old devices.  I've also experienced it
with heavily modded roms that add additional functionality.  This is the
reason that my wife will no longer let me root her devices.  She had some
bad experiences, and did not like the constant cat and mouse when updates
came out.  Stock devices are usually rock solid.

On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:

>  Not double.  3500 mah versus 3300 mah.
>
> Screen is only slightly bigger (5" versus 4.7").
>
> But I'm really happy with this phone.  Don't anticipate switching until it
> dies.  It's a couple years old now, and it is stable, fast, and smooth.
>
> I don't know about others claims of android crashing.  Mine hasn't crashed
> once in the two years that I've had it.  It may have been an issue with
> early versions of android, but I've only experienced jelly bean (+), and it
> just keeps trucking.
>
> --
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/21/2014 10:10 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
>
> Jump up to the Droid Maxx.  Double the battery.  Screen is a lot bigger,
> though :/
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 21, 2014 1:08 PM, "Bill Prince via Af"  wrote:
>
>>  My Android fits in either front or back pocket.  It's large with a ~~
>> 5" (slightly less) screen.  The kevlar back seems to make it very sturdy,
>> and I love the long battery life.  DROID RAZR MAXX HD.
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 12/21/2014 7:30 AM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>>  The only guys I know that use belt clips to hold their phone are at
>> wispa shows. In my everyday life, I know almost no one that have a phone in
>> a holster or clip. Most everyone I know including many women put the phone
>> in their front pocket as I do myself. Those who sit on their phone in their
>> back pocket need some help.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 21, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>>
>>>  haha
>>>
>>> This is the type I usually use.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.seidioonline.com/lg-google-nexus-5-convert-value-pack-black-p/bd5-hkr4lgn5.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Jeremy via Af" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:01:03 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
>>>
>>> ...but check out the awesome belt clips that they are making for these
>>> newer generation phones!
>>> http://img.tvc-mall.com/uploads/details/MLC-N9005-07-6.jpg
>>>
>>>  ...or you could always go the holster route...
>>> http://www.gizmocrazed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/163.jpg
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  I'm not sure the phone placement would lessen the harassment.
>>>>
>>>> Most guys I know use a belt clip (even outside of the IT industry).
>>>>
>>>> *shrugs*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>
>>>>  --
>>>> *From: *"Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af" 
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 8:01:23 AM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
>>>>
>>>>  I put mine in my pocket all the time.  If I even thought about using
>>>> the belt clip, the three women (wife and two teen daughters) would harass
>>>> me mercilessly!
>>>>
>>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 21, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Who puts phones in their pockets? Women put theirs in their purse or
>>>> leave them in random places where they are not so you can't possibly reach
>>>> them and men use cases\holsters that go on their belt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

[Jeremy via Af]

I can't imagine not using a belt clip.  How do you get your phone out of
your front pocket when it is under your harness and you are on a tower?  I
take the belt clip and clip it onto the front of my harness so that it is
still accessible.

On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> Maybe it's a regional thing?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Darin Steffl via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:30:44 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
>
> Mike,
>
> The only guys I know that use belt clips to hold their phone are at wispa
> shows. In my everyday life, I know almost no one that have a phone in a
> holster or clip. Most everyone I know including many women put the phone in
> their front pocket as I do myself. Those who sit on their phone in their
> back pocket need some help.
>
> On Sunday, December 21, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> haha
>>
>> This is the type I usually use.
>>
>>
>> http://www.seidioonline.com/lg-google-nexus-5-convert-value-pack-black-p/bd5-hkr4lgn5.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Jeremy via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:01:03 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
>>
>> ...but check out the awesome belt clips that they are making for these
>> newer generation phones!
>> http://img.tvc-mall.com/uploads/details/MLC-N9005-07-6.jpg
>>
>> ...or you could always go the holster route...
>> http://www.gizmocrazed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/163.jpg
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure the phone placement would lessen the harassment.
>>>
>>> Most guys I know use a belt clip (even outside of the IT industry).
>>>
>>> *shrugs*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 8:01:23 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
>>>
>>> I put mine in my pocket all the time.  If I even thought about using the
>>> belt clip, the three women (wife and two teen daughters) would harass me
>>> mercilessly!
>>>
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>>
>>> On Dec 21, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>> Who puts phones in their pockets? Women put theirs in their purse or
>>> leave them in random places where they are not so you can't possibly reach
>>> them and men use cases\holsters that go on their belt.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett via Af" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:31:51 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
>>>
>>> When I saw the 6+ at the Apple Store I thought it was way over
>>> sized...especially since it wouldn't fit in pants pockets.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Did you try and/or considered 6 plus?
>>>>
>>>> I am considering 6 plus, I don't need to carry iPad ( mainly for
>>>> reading).
>>>>
>>>> Tushar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 20, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just upgraded to an iphone6 and I love it.  It was a little big at
>>>> first compared to my 5s but now I don't think I could go back.
>>>>
>>>>  The only reason I say it's "big" is because sometimes it's hard to use
>>>> one handed and stretch your thumb all the way to the top of the screen.
>>>> Nothing else about the pho

Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

[Jeremy via Af]

I also use the Seidio cases.  I use the PT series (Platinum) on my HTC
One.  I've been using the same brand and style since the HTC Evo.  They are
super strong cases.  I have an awesome one for my Nexus 7 tablet as well.

On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> haha
>
> This is the type I usually use.
>
>
> http://www.seidioonline.com/lg-google-nexus-5-convert-value-pack-black-p/bd5-hkr4lgn5.htm
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> ------
> *From: *"Jeremy via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:01:03 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
>
> ...but check out the awesome belt clips that they are making for these
> newer generation phones!
> http://img.tvc-mall.com/uploads/details/MLC-N9005-07-6.jpg
>
> ...or you could always go the holster route...
> http://www.gizmocrazed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/163.jpg
>
> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure the phone placement would lessen the harassment.
>>
>> Most guys I know use a belt clip (even outside of the IT industry).
>>
>> *shrugs*
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 8:01:23 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
>>
>> I put mine in my pocket all the time.  If I even thought about using the
>> belt clip, the three women (wife and two teen daughters) would harass me
>> mercilessly!
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>
>> On Dec 21, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>>
>> Who puts phones in their pockets? Women put theirs in their purse or
>> leave them in random places where they are not so you can't possibly reach
>> them and men use cases\holsters that go on their belt.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Sean Heskett via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:31:51 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
>>
>> When I saw the 6+ at the Apple Store I thought it was way over
>> sized...especially since it wouldn't fit in pants pockets.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> Did you try and/or considered 6 plus?
>>>
>>> I am considering 6 plus, I don't need to carry iPad ( mainly for
>>> reading).
>>>
>>> Tushar
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 20, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>> Just upgraded to an iphone6 and I love it.  It was a little big at first
>>> compared to my 5s but now I don't think I could go back.
>>>
>>>  The only reason I say it's "big" is because sometimes it's hard to use
>>> one handed and stretch your thumb all the way to the top of the screen.
>>> Nothing else about the phone is big...it's actually very slim when in my
>>> pocket etc.
>>>
>>> We use AT&T because they have the best coverage and speeds in NW CO.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>   Huge holiday discussion at my house.  Two members of the family need
>>>> new phones.
>>>>
>>>> I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever
>>>> owned is an iPhone 4.
>>>> Still have it.  Charge it once a week.  Fat, dumb and happy.
>>>>
>>>> Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone.
>>>> I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends
>>>> apps so we can spy on each other.
>>>> One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one.  That kid and my wife
>>>> are shopping for phones and plans.  Kid is OK with Apple products.  His
>>>> mother has anxiety about leaving Android.  Kinda like I want her to vote
>>>> Democrat or join PETA...
>>>>
>>>> (W

Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

[Jeremy via Af]

...but check out the awesome belt clips that they are making for these
newer generation phones!
http://img.tvc-mall.com/uploads/details/MLC-N9005-07-6.jpg

...or you could always go the holster route...
http://www.gizmocrazed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/163.jpg

On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> I'm not sure the phone placement would lessen the harassment.
>
> Most guys I know use a belt clip (even outside of the IT industry).
>
> *shrugs*
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 8:01:23 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
>
> I put mine in my pocket all the time.  If I even thought about using the
> belt clip, the three women (wife and two teen daughters) would harass me
> mercilessly!
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Dec 21, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:
>
> Who puts phones in their pockets? Women put theirs in their purse or leave
> them in random places where they are not so you can't possibly reach them
> and men use cases\holsters that go on their belt.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Sean Heskett via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:31:51 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
>
> When I saw the 6+ at the Apple Store I thought it was way over
> sized...especially since it wouldn't fit in pants pockets.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af  wrote:
>
>> Did you try and/or considered 6 plus?
>>
>> I am considering 6 plus, I don't need to carry iPad ( mainly for reading).
>>
>> Tushar
>>
>>
>> On Dec 20, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:
>>
>> Just upgraded to an iphone6 and I love it.  It was a little big at first
>> compared to my 5s but now I don't think I could go back.
>>
>>  The only reason I say it's "big" is because sometimes it's hard to use
>> one handed and stretch your thumb all the way to the top of the screen.
>> Nothing else about the phone is big...it's actually very slim when in my
>> pocket etc.
>>
>> We use AT&T because they have the best coverage and speeds in NW CO.
>>
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:
>>
>>>   Huge holiday discussion at my house.  Two members of the family need
>>> new phones.
>>>
>>> I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever
>>> owned is an iPhone 4.
>>> Still have it.  Charge it once a week.  Fat, dumb and happy.
>>>
>>> Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone.
>>> I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends apps
>>> so we can spy on each other.
>>> One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one.  That kid and my wife
>>> are shopping for phones and plans.  Kid is OK with Apple products.  His
>>> mother has anxiety about leaving Android.  Kinda like I want her to vote
>>> Democrat or join PETA...
>>>
>>> (Which is totally weird as I associate Apple with Birkenstock wearing,
>>> Dreadlocks, Cigarette Smoking, BA degrees, Wine, Liberal, Democrat, Tree
>>> Hugger and folks that use crystals to align their chakras).
>>>
>>> We are all on a pay as  you go “mobile value share” plan with AT&T.
>>>
>>> No matter what we decide I get to pay.  The new phones are pretty
>>> expensive.  But they will amortize depending on the plan.
>>> Too lazy to even attempt to understand the plans from the different
>>> carriers, the different phones, etc etc.
>>>
>>> I have used less than 0.01 GB of data in the last month.  Phone are for
>>> talking on.  But I realize that my buggy whip factory stock is probably
>>> worthless too.  So my opinion as to features is irrelevant as I still read
>>> books printed on plant matter.  (I do like the built in camera and a solar
>>> panel orientation and location app) (And a hymn book...)
>>>
>>> But I would like to get a good value.  I care more about price than
>>> features or OS.  Not so the rest of the clan.  (As in Scottish Clan,  OK,
>>> not Klan).So if anyone can help me pick a direction It  would be
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - tools for Xmas

[Jeremy via Af]

Best channel locks you will ever own
http://www.zoro.com/i/G2776821/?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping_Feed&gclid=CMyMiNz71cICFYtAMgodyhAAEA

Great set for cutting in wallplates
http://www.zoro.com/i/G2748146/?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping_Feed&gclid=CNDT5vn71cICFZWGaQodcBcAMw

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af  wrote:

> Tool indulgent
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Dec 20, 2014 5:31 PM, "Ken Hohhof via Af"  wrote:
>
>>   I went today to a place here called Berland's House of Tools that
>> carries serious, manly tools for professionals.  I try to avoid going to
>> Berland's because you could easily drop $1000 there if you bring your
>> credit cards.  Luckily my cards are maxed out and I only got a few things I
>> actually needed.  At least they are in an industrial park and nowhere near
>> a mall.  You do not want to drive anywhere near a mall until Dec. 26.
>>
>> But I did see some cool new items if you're shopping for presents for
>> your install vans.
>>
>> Like these Milwaukee HollowCore nut driver sets that can be used on
>> all-thread and have hex shafts you can take a wrench to:
>>
>> SAE set:  http://www.milwaukeetool.com/hand-tools/screwdrivers/48-22-2507
>> metric set:
>> http://www.milwaukeetool.com/hand-tools/screwdrivers/48-22-2517
>>
>> And Klein has some hollow shaft 1/4” impact driver sockets in 7/8, 1/2
>> and 9/16 size, including models with 5 and 10 inch long shafts:
>>
>> http://www.kleintools.com/catalog/power-tool-accessories/power-nut-drivers
>>
>> I needed a replacement for my favorite Bahco brand diagonal cutters,
>> which I see are made in Spain now rather than Sweden, we’ll see if the
>> quality is the same.  Also needed some long bellhanger bits.  I avoided
>> walking through the whole store or I would have found more cool things.  I
>> was tempted by the adjustable 310 lumen LED flashlights at the checkout,
>> similar to these:
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BOV9QD6
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF

[Jeremy via Af]

Verizon definitely has the best coverageand highest prices.  I'll never
use another carrier after having tried them all.  I have an ongoing love
affair with HTC Android phones.  They are pure awesome.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af <
af@afmug.com> wrote:

> We are a Samsung family here.  I have a note 3 and deb has a S5.  No
> problems at all. Definitely recommend either one.  Can't speak for the
> lower end phones.
> On Dec 20, 2014 12:16 PM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>
>>   Huge holiday discussion at my house.  Two members of the family need
>> new phones.
>>
>> I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever
>> owned is an iPhone 4.
>> Still have it.  Charge it once a week.  Fat, dumb and happy.
>>
>> Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone.
>> I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends apps
>> so we can spy on each other.
>> One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one.  That kid and my wife are
>> shopping for phones and plans.  Kid is OK with Apple products.  His mother
>> has anxiety about leaving Android.  Kinda like I want her to vote Democrat
>> or join PETA...
>>
>> (Which is totally weird as I associate Apple with Birkenstock wearing,
>> Dreadlocks, Cigarette Smoking, BA degrees, Wine, Liberal, Democrat, Tree
>> Hugger and folks that use crystals to align their chakras).
>>
>> We are all on a pay as  you go “mobile value share” plan with AT&T.
>>
>> No matter what we decide I get to pay.  The new phones are pretty
>> expensive.  But they will amortize depending on the plan.
>> Too lazy to even attempt to understand the plans from the different
>> carriers, the different phones, etc etc.
>>
>> I have used less than 0.01 GB of data in the last month.  Phone are for
>> talking on.  But I realize that my buggy whip factory stock is probably
>> worthless too.  So my opinion as to features is irrelevant as I still read
>> books printed on plant matter.  (I do like the built in camera and a solar
>> panel orientation and location app) (And a hymn book...)
>>
>> But I would like to get a good value.  I care more about price than
>> features or OS.  Not so the rest of the clan.  (As in Scottish Clan,  OK,
>> not Klan).So if anyone can help me pick a direction It  would be
>> appreciated.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest.net optomized for IE??

[Jeremy via Af]

I'll have to give it a shot when I am at my NOC.  I don't have that kind of
bandwidth at my houseyet.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:

> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3998189472
>
> I get 250x250...have multi-gig here...
>
> On our own directly connected, I get 780's-840's.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af 
> wrote:
>>
>> I just got my new speedtest.net server running with Dave's help. Thanks
>> Dave!
>>
>> It's at http://avative.speedtest.net
>>
>>
>> Can any of you get over 500Mbps to it?
>> It has a 10Gbps adapter and sits on a 10Gbps circuit, but I think I've
>> got something cutting it to 600Mbps...
>>
>> I also talked to Ookla and they know about a problem with Chrome on
>> Windows where flash isn't allowing it to do the full Gbps. So for now use a
>> Mac? Or use IE on windows if you have a Gigabit connection to test on
>> speedtest.net
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Sterling Jacobson
>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 12:42 PM
>> To: 'af@afmug.com'
>> Subject: RE: [AFMUG] Speedtest.net optomized for IE??
>>
>> Good point, I'll check for that!
>>
>> Since Chrome pulls the same context on all my machines that I log into
>> Google, that makes sense why it would affect more than just one.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright via Af
>> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 9:58 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest.net optomized for IE??
>>
>> Chrome plugins causing the drop, perhaps? Even naked Chrome runs pretty
>> heavy on resources.
>>
>> Chris Wright
>> Velociter Wireless
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>> via Af
>> Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2014 1:14 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest.net optomized for IE??
>>
>> AFMUG server must have stripped the jpgs, because they are attached in
>> the send folder, but when I received my own message the jpgs were gone.
>>
>> Anywho, I am seeing several hundred megs difference between IE and Chrome
>> on several machine to several different servers in Utah.
>>
>> I get about 900Mbps both ways with IE and about 6-700Mbps in Chrome.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
>> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:41 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Speedtest.net optomized for IE??
>>
>> no attachment...
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 12/12/2014 10:20 AM, Sterling Jacobson via Af wrote:
>> > I'm not sure what is going on, but recently I've noticed Ookla has
>> changed speedtest.net so it works a lot better with IE.
>> >
>> > And it USED to work just fine with Chrome, but they changed something
>> in the past month.
>> >
>> > Anyone else seeing this?
>> >
>> > It's very apparent at Gigabit speeds, see attached.
>> >
>> > Same everything except using IE instead of Chrome.
>> >
>> > Noticed this on several machines and several host servers on
>> speedtest.net
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy

[Jeremy via Af]

Yeah, I'm sure it has to do with scale.  I am a one man band.  I think when
it comes time to hire my replacement I am going to be very disappointed to
find that it takes three men to do my job.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>
>   We have Josh differentiating between site survey and install skill
> levels.  Then we have Jeremy saying installers should also do NOC tasks.
> So we have a pretty wide range of opinions on the matter.  I’m guessing
> it’s a matter of scale?  Once you grow to a certain size, it’s more
> efficient to have people specialize.  Also easier to fill positions if
> everyone doesn’t have to be good at everything.
>
> Comcast takes this to the Nth degree.  If you have a Comcast business
> install done, various contractors will arrive with very specialized tasks.
> The guy who measures, the guy who digs holes, the guy who mounts boxes, the
> guy who runs cable, the guy who hooks up modems, etc.
>
>
>  *From:* Jeremy via Af 
> *Sent:* Friday, December 19, 2014 10:05 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
>
>  If an installer cannot program a radio and align it without help from
> the NOC then he is not a very good installer.  I program and align in under
> 15 minutes with my Nexus 7 while I am sitting on the roof.  If an installer
> messes up the config or the IP, make them go back and fix it!  What
> happened to accountability?
>
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>
>>   We sometimes have a tough time just scheduling the customer to be home
>> once for the install, much less twice.  Especially now that it is dark at
>> 4:30pm.
>>
>> Do you have crews working weekends or something?
>>
>> Also with different crews for site surveys than installs, I assume you
>> have a lot of these every day.  I would have a hard time planning routes
>> for separate site survey and install crews that don’t involve a lot of
>> redundant driving, our area is very spread out, getting to a customer site
>> is typically 10-20 miles and sometimes more.  Currently if a site survey is
>> needed, I’ll try to get an installer to do it on the way to/from another
>> install in the same area.
>>
>>
>>  *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:58 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
>>
>>  Multiple crews with vastly different skill levels.
>>
>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>
>> On 12/18/2014 07:06 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
>>
>> Why do you make two trips???
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Dec 18, 2014 11:03 PM, "Josh Reynolds via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>  We either send out a site survey crew to talk to the customer, plan mounting
>> position, cable run, and verify service level the customer wants -- then
>> send out a setup crew a few days later with pre-provisioned gear and
>> pictures of everything..
>>
>> Or we do a site/survey setup, with a nbm5-25, rm5+RG30, single angle
>> tripod, tripod, 5/10 ft poles, u arms, nbem2, rm2+rd, and maybe a few
>> scattered nanostations.
>>
>> Our office takes care of provisioning everybody out in our traffic
>> shaper, dhcp, any custom routes, etc in about 10 minutes (general office
>> staff).
>>
>> Some of that stuff will change as we continue to move forward with powercode
>> + procera though.
>>
>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>
>> On 12/18/2014 05:38 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>>
>> Even at a much lower install per day rate than Mark’s, I sometimes have an 
>> installer out with 3 different radios for a given install.  This week we had 
>> one that was going to be either 450 in 3.65, 450 in 5.7, or FSK in 2.4.  
>> Meanwhile I’m at another site with my laptop playing the role of the NOC 
>> guy.  I am logged into the sessions page of the APs, waiting for a new 
>> session to pop up at the bottom of the list.  When that happens, I check the 
>> signal and run a linktest.  If the numbers look good, I tell the installer 
>> when he calls, meanwhile I’m putting an IP address on the new SM, putting 
>> the customer’s name on the SNMP page, and configuring anything special like 
>> high priority CIR or uplink/downlink sustained rates.  Same routine if I 
>> have a guy out on a maintenance call and he’s pulling a spare or taked

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy

[Jeremy via Af]

If an installer cannot program a radio and align it without help from the
NOC then he is not a very good installer.  I program and align in under 15
minutes with my Nexus 7 while I am sitting on the roof.  If an installer
messes up the config or the IP, make them go back and fix it!  What
happened to accountability?

On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>
>   We sometimes have a tough time just scheduling the customer to be home
> once for the install, much less twice.  Especially now that it is dark at
> 4:30pm.
>
> Do you have crews working weekends or something?
>
> Also with different crews for site surveys than installs, I assume you
> have a lot of these every day.  I would have a hard time planning routes
> for separate site survey and install crews that don’t involve a lot of
> redundant driving, our area is very spread out, getting to a customer site
> is typically 10-20 miles and sometimes more.  Currently if a site survey is
> needed, I’ll try to get an installer to do it on the way to/from another
> install in the same area.
>
>
>  *From:* Josh Reynolds via Af 
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:58 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
>
>  Multiple crews with vastly different skill levels.
>
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>
> On 12/18/2014 07:06 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
>
> Why do you make two trips???
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 18, 2014 11:03 PM, "Josh Reynolds via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com 
>  wrote:
>
>
>  We either send out a site survey crew to talk to the customer, plan mounting
> position, cable run, and verify service level the customer wants -- then
> send out a setup crew a few days later with pre-provisioned gear and
> pictures of everything..
>
> Or we do a site/survey setup, with a nbm5-25, rm5+RG30, single angle
> tripod, tripod, 5/10 ft poles, u arms, nbem2, rm2+rd, and maybe a few
> scattered nanostations.
>
> Our office takes care of provisioning everybody out in our traffic
> shaper, dhcp, any custom routes, etc in about 10 minutes (general office
> staff).
>
> Some of that stuff will change as we continue to move forward with powercode
> + procera though.
>
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>
> On 12/18/2014 05:38 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>
> Even at a much lower install per day rate than Mark’s, I sometimes have an 
> installer out with 3 different radios for a given install.  This week we had 
> one that was going to be either 450 in 3.65, 450 in 5.7, or FSK in 2.4.  
> Meanwhile I’m at another site with my laptop playing the role of the NOC guy. 
>  I am logged into the sessions page of the APs, waiting for a new session to 
> pop up at the bottom of the list.  When that happens, I check the signal and 
> run a linktest.  If the numbers look good, I tell the installer when he 
> calls, meanwhile I’m putting an IP address on the new SM, putting the 
> customer’s name on the SNMP page, and configuring anything special like high 
> priority CIR or uplink/downlink sustained rates.  Same routine if I have a 
> guy out on a maintenance call and he’s pulling a spare or takedown SM from 
> the van to use as replacement.  Even if I had a fancy billing system like 
> Mike has to let me click on the customer’s name on a map, t
>  his would
>  not be set up yet in these cases.
>
>
> From: Mark Radabaugh via Af
> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
>
> Because we install 10, 15, sometimes 20 CPE a day.  It's a pain in the ass 
> having to McGiver your way into them every time.   Sure we auto-configure a 
> lot of it, but there are still have to get into them to look at signal 
> strength and such during the install or when troubleshooting.
>
> Mark
>
>   On Dec 18, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Mike Hammett via Af mailto:af@afmug.com 
>  mailto:af@afmug.com  wrote:
>
>   Why do you need to access CPE that aren't directly accessible multiple 
> times a day?
>
>
>
>
>   -
>   Mike Hammett
>   Intelligent Computing Solutions
>   http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> --
>
>   From: "Ken Hohhof via Af" mailto:af@afmug.com  
> mailto:af@afmug.com 
>   To: af@afmug.com
>   Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:06:44 PM
>   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
>
>
>   But I don’t think he’s talking how a skilled person could MacGyver it, but 
> rather a session list right there in the GUI with every subscriber listed by 
> name, and you click on the name and shazzam, you are logged into that SM.
>
>   Like one of many things that pisses me off about my $10K Purewave 
> basestation is you can see a list of CPE MAC addresses by subscriber name, 
> but if you want to see any stats or change the config for that subscriber, 
> you have to find him 

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu EH-1200FX

[Jeremy via Af]

(for a lot of 10)

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
> The SFPs were $30 though...
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>> Planning for those futuristic 10G backhauls?  I ran OM3 to my roof (x12).
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>> and why on earth would you do multimode up a tower or to a rooftop, when
>>> 1000BaseLX SFPs are $20 each and singlemode is overall easier to work with?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af 
>>> wrote:

 On 12/18/14, 8:43 AM, Carl Peterson via Af wrote:

>
> They actually quoted you a 1200F link with a bunch of stuff you don't
> need and a crazy license cost.  Link registration is $75-$85 if you
> have
> your own nationwide license.
>


 That "installation kit" is pretty steep for some cables and a surge
 protector.

 ~Seth

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu EH-1200FX

[Jeremy via Af]

The SFPs were $30 though...

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
> Planning for those futuristic 10G backhauls?  I ran OM3 to my roof (x12).
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
>>
>> and why on earth would you do multimode up a tower or to a rooftop, when
>> 1000BaseLX SFPs are $20 each and singlemode is overall easier to work with?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12/18/14, 8:43 AM, Carl Peterson via Af wrote:
>>>

 They actually quoted you a 1200F link with a bunch of stuff you don't
 need and a crazy license cost.  Link registration is $75-$85 if you have
 your own nationwide license.

>>>
>>>
>>> That "installation kit" is pretty steep for some cables and a surge
>>> protector.
>>>
>>> ~Seth
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu EH-1200FX

[Jeremy via Af]

Planning for those futuristic 10G backhauls?  I ran OM3 to my roof (x12).

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:
>
> and why on earth would you do multimode up a tower or to a rooftop, when
> 1000BaseLX SFPs are $20 each and singlemode is overall easier to work with?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af 
> wrote:
>>
>> On 12/18/14, 8:43 AM, Carl Peterson via Af wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> They actually quoted you a 1200F link with a bunch of stuff you don't
>>> need and a crazy license cost.  Link registration is $75-$85 if you have
>>> your own nationwide license.
>>>
>>
>>
>> That "installation kit" is pretty steep for some cables and a surge
>> protector.
>>
>> ~Seth
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet

[Jeremy via Af]

They need an external power source.  You run dc wires to each surge / poe
injector.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Ryan Mano via Af  wrote:
>
>  Ok thanks
>
>
>
> Just 1 more  stupid question…the surges don’t need an external power
> source? Or the actual housing needs to power up the individual cards
> correct?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett via
> Af
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>
>
>
> Yup
>
>
>
> There is a "data sheet" link at the bottom of the product page and it
> lists most (but not all) devices its compatible with.
>
>
>
> http://wbmfg.com/specs///Application%20Chart%20Sheet1.pdf
> <http://wbmfg.com/specs/Application%20Chart%20Sheet1.pdf>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sean
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 18, 2014, Ryan Mano via Af  wrote:
>
>  Would this also work with ptp600’s?
>
>
>
> Right now I use the LPU sliver box surge
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy via Af
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:38 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>
>
>
> Yeah, I just checked and the ones I ended up with were the PDIGTR.
> Probably won't do anyone any good
> http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PDIGTR
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>
> OK, just checking.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 18, 2014 11:29 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>
>   Nope, you can get them for cheap on Amazon.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman via Af
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:28 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>
>
>
> I've got the Din but I'm gathering you don't make a 19 rack unit?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 18, 2014 11:23 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>
>   Thanks!
>
>
>
> *From:* Jeremy via Af
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:17 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>
>
>
> I love the WB GigE-APC-POE!  Here is the APC rack mount...
>
> On Dec 18, 2014 9:13 AM, "Josh Luthman via Af"  wrote:
>
> You make a rack mount one?  What's the part number?  I'm not seeing it on
> the website.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 18, 2014 11:10 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>
>   My rack actually comes from APC and gets modified a bit.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman via Af
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:02 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>
>
>
> Is the APC rack thing grounded like yours, just bigger and rack mountable?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 18, 2014 10:56 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>
>   And they fit the APC rack too!
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett via Af
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:50 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>
>
>
> Talk to WB Manufacturing. Their surge suppressors are kind of the group's
> standard.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>  --
>
> *From: *"Ryan Mano via Af" 
> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:49:04 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>
> Has anyone replaced their moto surges with these?
>
>
> http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PNETR6&tab=models
>
>
>
> I use a lot of the packetflux syncinjectors at my towers and it’s a
> recommend surge that packetflux says to use instead of the moto surges
>
>
>
> I have a ptp 230 that has tons of crc errors that just happened recently
> and am wondering if this would help it…we checked the cables and the moto
> surge and all is find so am thinking it maybe due to this
>
>
>
> Anyone else tried out these surges?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet

[Jeremy via Af]

Yeah, I just checked and the ones I ended up with were the PDIGTR.
Probably won't do anyone any good
http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PDIGTR

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>
> OK, just checking.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 18, 2014 11:29 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>
>>   Nope, you can get them for cheap on Amazon.
>>
>>  *From:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:28 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>>
>>
>> I've got the Din but I'm gathering you don't make a 19 rack unit?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Dec 18, 2014 11:23 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>>   Thanks!
>>>
>>>  *From:* Jeremy via Af 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:17 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>>>
>>>
>>> I love the WB GigE-APC-POE!  Here is the APC rack mount...
>>> On Dec 18, 2014 9:13 AM, "Josh Luthman via Af"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> You make a rack mount one?  What's the part number?  I'm not seeing it
>>>> on the website.
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> On Dec 18, 2014 11:10 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   My rack actually comes from APC and gets modified a bit.
>>>>>
>>>>>  *From:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:02 AM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the APC rack thing grounded like yours, just bigger and rack
>>>>> mountable?
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> On Dec 18, 2014 10:56 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>   And they fit the APC rack too!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  *From:* Mike Hammett via Af 
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:50 AM
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Talk to WB Manufacturing. Their surge suppressors are kind of the
>>>>>> group's standard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *From: *"Ryan Mano via Af" 
>>>>>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:49:04 AM
>>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Has anyone replaced their moto surges with these?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PNETR6&tab=models
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use a lot of the packetflux syncinjectors at my towers and it’s a
>>>>>> recommend surge that packetflux says to use instead of the moto surges
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a ptp 230 that has tons of crc errors that just happened
>>>>>> recently and am wondering if this would help it…we checked the cables and
>>>>>> the moto surge and all is find so am thinking it maybe due to this
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone else tried out these surges?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet

[Jeremy via Af]

That is the PRM24

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
> I love the WB GigE-APC-POE!  Here is the APC rack mount...
> On Dec 18, 2014 9:13 AM, "Josh Luthman via Af"  wrote:
>
>> You make a rack mount one?  What's the part number?  I'm not seeing it on
>> the website.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Dec 18, 2014 11:10 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>>   My rack actually comes from APC and gets modified a bit.
>>>
>>>  *From:* Josh Luthman via Af 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:02 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>>>
>>>
>>> Is the APC rack thing grounded like yours, just bigger and rack
>>> mountable?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Dec 18, 2014 10:56 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>>>
   And they fit the APC rack too!

  *From:* Mike Hammett via Af 
 *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:50 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet

  Talk to WB Manufacturing. Their surge suppressors are kind of the
 group's standard.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *"Ryan Mano via Af" 
 *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
 *Sent: *Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:49:04 AM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] APC Protectnet

  Has anyone replaced their moto surges with these?


 http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PNETR6&tab=models



 I use a lot of the packetflux syncinjectors at my towers and it’s a
 recommend surge that packetflux says to use instead of the moto surges



 I have a ptp 230 that has tons of crc errors that just happened
 recently and am wondering if this would help it…we checked the cables and
 the moto surge and all is find so am thinking it maybe due to this



 Anyone else tried out these surges?






>>>

Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet

[Jeremy via Af]

However, if you do want those APC ones I'll sell you some CHEAP.  Someone
on EBay accidentally sent me a case of them when I ordered the PRM4
chassis.  He said they were "the parts for the chassis"

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>
> Is the APC rack thing grounded like yours, just bigger and rack mountable?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 18, 2014 10:56 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>
>>   And they fit the APC rack too!
>>
>>  *From:* Mike Hammett via Af 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:50 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>>
>>  Talk to WB Manufacturing. Their surge suppressors are kind of the
>> group's standard.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Ryan Mano via Af" 
>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:49:04 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] APC Protectnet
>>
>>  Has anyone replaced their moto surges with these?
>>
>>
>> http://www.apc.com/products/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=PNETR6&tab=models
>>
>>
>>
>> I use a lot of the packetflux syncinjectors at my towers and it’s a
>> recommend surge that packetflux says to use instead of the moto surges
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a ptp 230 that has tons of crc errors that just happened recently
>> and am wondering if this would help it…we checked the cables and the moto
>> surge and all is find so am thinking it maybe due to this
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone else tried out these surges?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives

[Jeremy via Af]

I got two calls yesterday that YouTube was not loading but all other sites
were.  I got one call because "their cell phones wouldn't sync up"

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:
>
>  We get all sorts of support calls about all nature of things simply
> because we provide internet service.  Most people have no clue where their
> email comes from, so we get the calls.  You can explain that to them over
> and over, and yet they will still call when their email doesn't work.
>
> --
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 12/17/2014 3:17 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
>
> Huh???
>
>
>  Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:
>
>>  We don't offer email.  Never have.  None the less we get a lot of
>> support calls about email.
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>>   On 12/17/2014 12:53 PM, SmarterBroadband via Af wrote:
>>
>>  We are the same, however we have a lot of emails from the past.
>>
>>
>>
>> We are also thinking of dropping email.  Too many of our help desk calls
>> are email.
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Sean Heskett via Af
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:47 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> we stopped offering it unless someone really bugs us about it.  Just tell
>> them to get a gmail or yahoo account or host their own domain...time to
>> move past 1998.
>>
>>
>>
>> one less thing to deal with :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:
>>
>> Today, more than half of me says to get rid of email.  We currently offer
>> it, have a low take rate, and those that take it don't use it.
>>
>>
>>   Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Sam Lambie via Af  wrote:
>>
>> Hopefully no one subscribes to the AFMUG list. I am at 4.28 gigs just for
>> this account.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Dennis Burgess via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 3 gig total, more can be purchased.  Just what comes with it, it’s a
>> combined across all mailboxes, so no its not store everything forever.
>> Spam control is the same system we use, just like any system, works great
>> most of the time, lets some things though and in spurts just like anything
>> else.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
>> via Af
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:56 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> How good is spam control?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett via Af
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:57 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> 3 gig total or 3 gig per box?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From: *"Dennis Burgess via Af" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:30:38 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives
>>
>> WE do 1000 mailboxes 3 gig of storage, your own management interface to
>> add, change etc, plus filtering for 79.99 a month.  That would be .08 per
>> mailbox..
>>
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Jeremy via Af
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:16 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives
>>
>>
>>
>> Received the email from Virtacore that they now have a solution for us to
>> migrate to.  .50 a box seems a bit high doesn't it?  What alternatives are
>

[AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives

[Jeremy via Af]

Received the email from Virtacore that they now have a solution for us to
migrate to.  .50 a box seems a bit high doesn't it?  What alternatives are
out there for a reliable hosted solution?  Here is the mail:

Dear Valued Partner,

Thank you for your continued business. As your trusted provider of Cloud
services, we strive to bring you great solutions for the best value.  Since
Google has announced the end-of-life of their Google Apps for Service
Provider hosted email platform that you purchased through Virtacore, we
have worked to find an alternate best in class solution to meet your hosted
email needs.  We pride ourselves on your satisfaction with our service. To
assist you with business continuity, we have chosen a product that provides
your customers with the following:

●  Reliable mail platform with mailboxes that have up to 7GB of storage

●  Best in class spam solution

●  Private email platform to ensure your ends users’ security

●  Elegant webmail interface with modern design

We are excited to introduce to you Virtacore’s new hosted email solution!
Our new platform is architected using the industry-leading Zimbra email and
collaboration platform, which will meet all of your needs today and
continues to evolve to ensure that we meet all of your needs in the future.

We hope that you are as excited as we are, and look forward to working with
you and hosting your email on our new platform.  As the Google platform
will end-of-life in July of 2015, we would like to get started on getting
you set up on the new platform right away.  Our team is working on a
transition schedule that will start in Q1 2015 and end in Q2 2015. In order
to normalize pricing across the new enterprise platform, we are also
introducing a $0.50/account/month (or $100/month minimum) service for our
standard mail service delivery.

Please contact me at svla...@virtacore.com by December 31, 2014 so we can
provide all of the details around the new platform and get started.

We understand that migrating email platforms is a big undertaking.  We have
been working hard to establish best practices and communication for the
migration, including dedicated support websites and FAQs that we will
provide to you.  If you do find that you need additional project management
and/or customer communication support, Virtacore has put together an
affordable migration services package that you can take advantage of.  This
package will walk you through each step of the migration process.

We sincerely appreciate your business and look forward to working together
to bring your clients to our next generation hosted email solution.
Regards,

*Sarah Vlasic*
ISP Email Migration Project Coordinator

[image: Virtacore Systems, Inc.]

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed Links / Air fiber - 4 Sale

[Jeremy via Af]

Dish size on the Trangos?  Or are these just the radios?

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Sam Lambie via Af  wrote:
>
> How the hell do we make an offer offlist when we can't see your real email
> address?
>
> I am scl at taosnet.com hit me up please.
>
> Sam
>
> On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications
> Inc via Af  wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys-
>>
>>
>>
>> We have the following not in use and taking up shelf or tower space. Make
>> offer off list if interested.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.Used – UBNT Air fiber 24Ghz link Complete
>>
>> 2.Trango AD11G-2-S2  (2 full complete links)
>>
>>
>>
>> Note:  The Trango’s have never been used, but have been on the towers
>> exposed to the weather.
>>
>> The Air fiber actually did everything we needed so we had opted not to
>> use the Trango’s.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>> *Internet Communications Inc.*
>> *739 Commerce Dr.*
>> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>>
>> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
>> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
>> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: ICI]
>>
>> *What can ICI do for you?*
>>
>>
>> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones -
>> IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.*
>>
>> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the*
>> *addressee shown. It contains information that is*
>> *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,*
>> *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by*
>> *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly*
>> *prohibited.*
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)

[Jeremy via Af]

That's funny.  My wife wanted to name our son Arrow until I made her say
that one out loud.  Arrow SmithI don't think so.

On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Craig House via Af  wrote:
>
> My last name is House.   When my son was on the way my wife and I  were
> discussing names for him.   She suggested Porter.   She was serious until I
> made her say his whole name out loud.
>
> Craig
>
>
> --
> *From: *"Ben Wirch via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, December 13, 2014 4:14:37 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
>
> I have a Brenda Titsworth as a sub.
> On Dec 13, 2014, at 2:58 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>
>   But I really have a customer D. Cline, and his card really was
> declined, otherwise it wouldn’t be all that amusing.
>
> There’s no accounting for what people name their kids, though.  I worked
> with a Howard Johnson, a Ronald McDonald, a Rusty Steele, and a Harry
> Dyke.  I went to school with a Jerry Ferry.  Oh, and I’ll bet Ben Dover
> downloads a lot of software from Cambium’s website.
>
>  *From:* Craig House via Af 
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
>
>  And the twins Ben and Ilene Dover
>
>
> --
> *From: *"Jon Bruce via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, December 13, 2014 3:19:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
>
> Can't forget good old Harry Showerdrain.
>
>
> On 12/13/2014 3:48 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af wrote:
>
> I heard Cheech use it a movie but not sure where it comes from.  Like I.P.
> Freely.   Seymour Butts  juvenile stuff.
>
> Jaime Solorza
> On Dec 13, 2014 1:38 PM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>
>>   It took me a moment...
>>
>>  *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 13, 2014 1:36 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Friday Funny (belated)
>>
>>
>> My favorite is Chuck U. Farley
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Dec 13, 2014 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>> I have a customer D. Cline whose credit card was declined.
>>>
>>> Oh, and note that today 12/13/14 is the last sequential date of the 21st
>>> century.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Windows SNMP tool

[Jeremy via Af]

iReasoning works great

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 4:08 PM, D. Ryan Spott via Af  wrote:

>  http://www.wtcs.org/snmp4tpc/getif.htm
> http://www.ireasoning.com/mibbrowser.shtml
>
> Of course, you could always just install snmpget and snmpset on your
> windows machine.
>
>
> ryan
>
>
>
> On 12/12/14 2:53 PM, Robbie Wright via Af wrote:
>
> We've used this before with pretty good luck.
>
>  http://www.paessler.com/tools/snmptester
>
>  Won't scan a subnet, just an individual host.
>
>
> Robbie Wright
> Siuslaw Broadband 
> 541-902-5101
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:51 PM, SmarterBroadband via Af 
> wrote:
>>
>>  Does anyone know of a windows SNMP tool where I can read and write to
>> an OID.
>>
>>
>>
>> Easy tool, just enter subnet and oid to work on and get a list of results?
>>
>>
>>
>> If not windows, gui Linux?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>
> --
> D. Ryan Spott | Iron Goat Networks, llc
> broadband | telco | colo | community
> PO Box 1232 / 603 W. Stevens Sultan, WA 98284360-799-0552 | gtalk: 
> rsp...@irongoat.net
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?

[Jeremy via Af]

I wouldn't want to walk around the neighborhood by the fairgrounds at that
time of night but downtown you should be fine.

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af  wrote:

> Don't miss the Rahat Bakery:
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Original-Rahat-Bakers-Est-1950/244212535591471
>
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=rahat+bakery+rawalpindi&num=100&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=0pyLVMSjF4XjoAT3pYGoDA&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1473&bih=1004
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
> wrote:
>>
>>  Hey, that sounds fun!
>>  --
>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Eric Kuhnke via Af [
>> af@afmug.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 5:01 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
>>
>>   If any person, as a physically fit adult male is afraid of the
>> homeless people in Salt Lake City, I invite them to come with me on a
>> night-time motor rickshaw ride and walk in Rawalpindi some time.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:51 PM, chuck--- via Af  wrote:
>>
>>>   I don’t think the Shiloh is more than 5 minutes away from the trolley
>>> system on Main Street or South Temple.  If they are running at that hour.
>>> And most of the homeless folks are concentrated in a fairly small area
>>> that you would not be near.
>>>
>>>  *From:* Bruce Robertson via Af 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:32 PM
>>>  *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
>>>
>>>  TO the Shiloh, I meant.
>>>
>>>   On 12/12/2014 11:31 AM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
>>>
>>> It's just 15 minutes walk in a north-east direction from the Shiloh.
>>>
>>> On 12/12/2014 11:28 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>>>
>>>  You talking about downtown, or by the fairgrounds?  Is there still
>>> that KOA campground down the road from the fairgrounds?  That seemed a bit
>>> shady.  Downtown I remember walking at night from the Shiloh to the
>>> Einsteins.  Cops seems to like bagels at all hours.  Probably because SLC
>>> doesn’t seem to have donuts.  Mmmm, bagels.
>>>
>>> Back when they had us stay at I think it was a Quality Inn, the biggest
>>> danger seemed to be crossing the street, drivers seemed a little crazy.
>>> Oh, and the first year I went to AF, somebody with a pistol in their
>>> waistband shot the toilet at the Carl’s Jr., it was on the news.
>>>
>>>
>>>  *From:* Brett A Mansfield via Af 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 1:03 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
>>>
>>>  Most of us here in SLC wait for facts before we riot.
>>>
>>> Being from SLC I can say your mostly fine depending on where the station
>>> is. There is a section in downtown near the Gateway Mall that has several
>>> homeless shelters. Evil things happen there nightly.
>>>
>>> But chances are that if you don't talk to strangers on the street you
>>> should be okay.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Brett A Mansfield
>>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Mathew Howard via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>>   Hmm... yeah, there's that... but on the bright side, if the police do
>>> shoot you, it won't cause any riots.
>>>
>>>  --
>>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of That One Guy via Af [
>>> af@afmug.com]
>>> *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:56 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
>>>
>>>  other than the police shooting you, you should be good
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
>>> wrote:

  Yeah... having been there a couple of times, I really wouldn't worry
 about it.

  --
 *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [
 af@afmug.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?

   The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to
 Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the worst
 thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by a
 Mormon...  and I'd be okay with that.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
  *From: *"Eric Kuhnke via Af" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?

  Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male
 to walk at night?




 On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af 
 wrote:

> One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak
> from Reno.  The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am.  
> It's
> only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering
> how advisable that is at that hour.
>
>


>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.

[Jeremy via Af]

BestBuy will take your CRTs.  I have dropped a few of them off there.  They
will take pretty much any electronics except for hard drives.  I had a grip
of old XBOX hard drives from my previous job as a console modder and they
wouldn't touch them.  I told them that they are just XBOX drives with no
personal info but they said there is too much liability for them to accept
data storage.

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> Is that why the ED pills are needed?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"James Howard via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:43:09 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth.
> Amazonstreaming4Know.
>
> I was wondering how you divided up 24 people over 9 couches…..
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
> Af
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth.
> Amazonstreaming4Know.
>
>
>
> Arrgh, still cannot count.  6 couches total.  Three levels, two couches
> per level.  I need to learn to stop bragging.
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:37 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth.
> Amazonstreaming4Know.
>
>
>
> OK, 9 couches total.
>
> None in the bathroom.
>
>
>
> I did have a 3 holer (outhouse) when I was a kid.  Bathroom was for baths
> and laundry only...
>
> Outhouse was out the back door and up the hill by the bunk house.
>
>
>
> No paint on the house.  Retired work horses in the pasture.  My youth was
> in black and white.  Grapes of wrath type of stuff.  I had no clue as a kid
> ...
>
>
>
> *From:* James Howard via Af 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:29 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth.
> Amazonstreaming4Know.
>
>
>
> Wow!  9 couches in the bathroom and 24 of them in the TV room?!
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via Af
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth.
> Amazonstreaming4Know.
>
>
>
> 24 couches in the TV room.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett via Af 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:25 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth.
> Amazonstreaming4Know.
>
>
>
> Are we still talking about reclining toilets or are we talking some
> different measure of 24 holes for your best buddies?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:14:55 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth.
> Amazonstreaming4Know.
>
> 24 holer, for your best buddies...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Prince via Af
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:11 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth.
> Amazonstreaming4Know.
>
> That is some swank bathroom.
>
> --
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/11/2014 7:59 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
> > I can seat 24 easily.  I have 9 recliner couches on stadium seating.
> > Nice room for the Superbowl.  I do need a 4 K projector I think...
>
>
> --
>
> *Total Control Panel*
>
> Login 
>
> To: ja...@litewire.net
> 
>
> From:
> 014a3a2e4b90-b710615c-f51c-4094-b4fd-23178dc36e19-000...@amazonses.com
> 
>
> Remove
> 
> amazonses.com from my allow list
>
> *You received this message because the domain amazonses.com
>  is on your allow list.*
>
>
> --
>
> *Total Control Panel*
>
> Login 
>
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> 
>
> From:
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> 
>
> Remove
> 
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>
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>  is on your allow list.*
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>

[AFMUG] SLA

[Jeremy via Af]

Anyone willing to share their SLA for dedicated connections?? TIA

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP working for freq reuse?

[Jeremy via Af]

Ever since I registered I have had this strange craving for blood, and I am
bothered by high pitch noises that nobody else can hear.  It might not be
related but you never know.  I'd be hesitant to sign up if I knew then what
I know now

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Josh Baird via Af  wrote:

> Then you must not care if they are deployed correctly.
>
> If you really need the documents, just register!  I promise, it won't kill
> you.
>
> On Dec 5, 2014, at 5:16 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af  wrote:
>
> I was going to do that until I saw I had to register
>
> Now I am no longer interested.
>
> FFS Cambium :/
>
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>
> On 12/05/2014 12:58 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote:
>
> https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/epmp/
>
>  scroll down and grab these two documents..they explain everything in
> detail
> ePMP ABAB frequency reuse deployment
>  ePMP Configuration in a Frequency Reuse Deployment
>
>  we are using 20Mhz channels.  currently have about 10 subs per AP
> (adding more each day)  after about 3-5 subs per AP we started to notice
> some problems and reconfigured the APs per these guides and now everything
> is working as expected.  one of the main things was changing the "Subscriber
> Module Target Receive Level" to -50.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af  wrote:
>
>>  Can you explain what their instructions are, or point me in the right
>> direction?
>>
>> How many subs do you have connected to this 2.4 cluster? Channel widths?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
>> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>>
>>  On 12/05/2014 12:41 PM, Sean Heskett via Af wrote:
>>
>> yes only 3 APs so we are doing ABA
>>
>>  but my point with the ABAB guide is that if you follow their
>> instructions it works great, if you deviate...then you can have issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> You mean four APs?  That would be ABAB.
>>>
>>>  Three APs would be ABA.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Sean Heskett via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 i have a tower with 3 2.4Ghz APs using 2 channels.

  works great as long as you follow the freq reuse and ABAB deployment
 guides on the cambium epmp website.



 On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
 wrote:

>  Anybody have ePMP setup and working in the field for freq reuse? Can
> you share some info about it? Speeds, number of subs per AP, etc.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> josh reynolds :: chief information officer
> spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com
>
>

>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 11 ghz dish, can one put an 18ghz feed horn in it?

[Jeremy via Af]

Actually, it may depend on the manufacturer.  Ask your sales rep

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> No
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Sam Lambie via Af  wrote:
>
>> I was shipped the wrong antennas (2 foot) for an 18ghz link, I didn't
>> notice that it was an 11 ghz antenna set until I tried to get the radios to
>> link up. Best I could get was -65. It drove me crazy trying to see if I was
>> on a side lobe for half an hour until it got dark and I gave up. Right
>> before I left, I glanced at the label and saw that the antenna was for an
>> 11 ghz link.
>> So the question is, are the parabolics on the antenna the same and the
>> feed horn different? Can it be swapped out to get me the -38 that I want,
>> or are we going to have to uninstall the whole shebang?
>>
>>
>> Sam
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 11 ghz dish, can one put an 18ghz feed horn in it?

[Jeremy via Af]

No

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Sam Lambie via Af  wrote:

> I was shipped the wrong antennas (2 foot) for an 18ghz link, I didn't
> notice that it was an 11 ghz antenna set until I tried to get the radios to
> link up. Best I could get was -65. It drove me crazy trying to see if I was
> on a side lobe for half an hour until it got dark and I gave up. Right
> before I left, I glanced at the label and saw that the antenna was for an
> 11 ghz link.
> So the question is, are the parabolics on the antenna the same and the
> feed horn different? Can it be swapped out to get me the -38 that I want,
> or are we going to have to uninstall the whole shebang?
>
>
> Sam
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup

[Jeremy via Af]

Also, all of the details, including transmit power, should be on the PCN.
You should have the PCN in hand.  If you don't I would print it out.  You
should also have a path analysis with expected signal strengths, and those
come in really handy when you are aligning.  If you are not where the path
calc says that you should be then you could be on a side lobe

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> I haven't used SAF before but I generally set the radios across the room
> from each other (with no dish) to test the link.  They will link up without
> being next to each other.
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:42 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:
>
>> We havent used SAF or done licensed before
>>
>> Im getting ready to bench configure this link, are there any caveats to
>> it?
>>  As I understand it from the manual, these ship with transmit turned off,
>> so powering them up wont hurt anything, I just set them side by side with
>> the flanges facing upward and turn the power on to the minimum tx power,
>> this wont hurt them to be transmitting with no antenna load attached? If I
>> leave them on for an extended timeframe will it harm them in this fashion?
>>
>> Im assuming the license gives use permission to install these at maximum
>> radio power? we dont have anything in hand from FCC so I dont know, all I
>> know is we have approval on the link.
>>
>> Any gotchas to setting these up or installing them, beyond figuring out
>> how to get a 4 foot antenna to the top of the grain elevator without
>> denting it
>>
>> --
>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SAF CFIP Lumina 11ghz setup

[Jeremy via Af]

I haven't used SAF before but I generally set the radios across the room
from each other (with no dish) to test the link.  They will link up without
being next to each other.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:42 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:

> We havent used SAF or done licensed before
>
> Im getting ready to bench configure this link, are there any caveats to it?
>  As I understand it from the manual, these ship with transmit turned off,
> so powering them up wont hurt anything, I just set them side by side with
> the flanges facing upward and turn the power on to the minimum tx power,
> this wont hurt them to be transmitting with no antenna load attached? If I
> leave them on for an extended timeframe will it harm them in this fashion?
>
> Im assuming the license gives use permission to install these at maximum
> radio power? we dont have anything in hand from FCC so I dont know, all I
> know is we have approval on the link.
>
> Any gotchas to setting these up or installing them, beyond figuring out
> how to get a 4 foot antenna to the top of the grain elevator without
> denting it
>
> --
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Anybody a Grandstream Reseller?

[Jeremy via Af]

Streakwave is

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 6:47 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> I have heard Baltic is
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Nate Burke via Af" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Anybody a Grandstream Reseller?
> Date: Thu, Dec 4, 2014 12:43 PM
>
>
> I opened some new tickets open in the reseller ticket portal, but it's
> been 2 days without any response.  Anybody else have tickets updated, or
> did their system break?
>
> Nate
>

Re: [AFMUG] Christmas bonus

[Jeremy via Af]

I think this is awesome Sean.

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:

> The math is similar to what you posted Jeremy, and we have 11 employees so
> it can be a couple to a few hundred dollars in a month.
>
> We also made it fat on purpose because all those net new clients are a new
> long term revenue stream for the company.
>
> It gives them ownership of company growth so everyone is focused on that
> one goal...net new.  I'm basically trading most of the first month's
> revenue for focus on the company goal.
>
> It's been great all around for employee moral and company growth...win win
>
> -Sean
>
> On Tuesday, December 2, 2014, Jeremy via Af  wrote:
>
>> So if you have an ARPU of $40 then 40*55 = $2200 / month.  Depending on
>> how many employees you have that would be a pretty awesome bonus structure.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Tushar Patel via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> Sean,
>>>
>>> Sound like great plan. We need to implement something like this.
>>>
>>> So with net of 55 per month, how much $$ will go in the pool per month?
>>> So highest amount made in the year by one person?
>>>
>>> Tushar
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 2, 2014, at 6:48 PM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:
>>>
>>> a couple years ago we stopped doing christmas bonuses and moved to a
>>> year round monthly "net new" bonuses each month.  we take the total active
>>> subs last month and the total active subs this month and any amount over 20
>>> goes into the net new bonus pool.
>>>
>>> for instance if we have 75 net new in a month then 55 * monthly sub $
>>> average = net new $ bonus pool.  the pool gets divided amongst everyone.
>>> The formula is a bit more complicated than that but that's the general gist
>>> of the "net new bonus".  also the reason for the "20" off the top is that
>>> we feel the company should be able to add 20 net new subs with out even
>>> really trying (based on historical data from 15 years)
>>>
>>> this gets the whole team from sales to support to installers to network
>>> techs focused on customer retention and company growth.  also since the
>>> monthly sub $ average is part of the formula it encourages everyone to
>>> upsell.
>>>
>>> this november we doubled last november's net new :-)
>>>
>>> we expect this december to blow the doors off last year because in the
>>> first 2 days of the month we took 23 orders.
>>>
>>> -sean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When does everyone else usually hand this over?  Are there any tax
>>>> benefits or anything like that?
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: RC Cars

[Jeremy via Af]

These high end hobby cars can go like 60mph.  I think they ALL can break if
you crash them at 60mph.

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Jason McKemie via Af  wrote:

> I picked up a Team Losi rtr nitro truck, which was friggin awesome, but
> was a bit tricky to get started sometimes - I'm not great with the carb
> settings.
> For cheap/easy fun, these are great:
> http://www.rcuniverse.com/product_guide/carprofile.cfm?car_id=166
> You can load them up with all the standard motors, servos, electronics,
> etc, and they're dead simple to work on.
>
> On Tuesday, December 2, 2014, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
>
>> That one looks cool.  I also found this which looks like it meets most of
>> what people were talking about.
>> http://www.amazon.com/Redcat-Racing-Brushless-Electric-
>> Included/dp/B00HVBVNQG/ref=sr_1_132?s=toys-and-games&ie=
>> UTF8&qid=1417477082&sr=1-132&keywords=RC+Car
>> $200 Brushless motor, waterproof, RTR.   Says that it's similar speed to
>> a nitro (which I read as I crash it a lot more while I'm learning to run
>> it).
>>
>>
>> On 12/2/2014 3:00 AM, thouin--- via Af wrote:
>>
>>> I Used to have a nitro rc car.  Was lots of fun because i liked fixing
>>> it.  If you only budget 200 bux u will be disapointed.  When i got out of it
>>> everything was going electric because is was faster and less
>>> "fiddling".  I haven't read any reviews but the 1/16 erevo seems to meet
>>> your requirements.
>>> http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXEWPCBB&P=0 would
>>> take you a little over budget. You also didn't say weither you wanted a kit
>>> or a rtr.  I
>>> would opt for the brushless version of it.  But u might want to get an
>>> aftermarket after a bit anyway.  BTW used to have a 1/10 nitro revo and it
>>> was
>>> awesome.  Some of the older traxxas cars where junk though.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Tyler
>>>
>>> --- Original Message ---
>>>  From: Erich Kaiser via Af[mailto:af@afmug.com]
>>> Sent: 12/1/2014 8:27:39 PM
>>> To  : af@afmug.com
>>> Cc  :
>>> Subject : RE: Re: [AFMUG] OT: RC Cars
>>>
>>>   I would go to the local hobby store, typically those guys know a lot
>>> about this stuff, at least that is how it used to be 20 years ago.  When I
>>> was into
>>> this stuff, the ultimate was having a gas powered RC truck/car, but I
>>> never had one :(
>>> HobbyTown USA
>>> 2061A Lincoln HighwaySt. Charles, IL 60174
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/maps/dir/''/hobby+town+st+charles+
>>> il/@41.8816195,-88.3344586,13z/data=!4m8!4m7!1m0!1m5!1m1!
>>> 1s0x880f026f561d981b:0xc63b9d2e750c7157!2m2
>>> !1d-88.338063!2d41.899515
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Nate Burke via Af  wrote:
>>> For a long time I've wanted an RC car.  I was at the beach over the
>>> weekend, and saw a guy running one through the sand and jumping it around
>>> and it looked
>>> really fun.  I think I'm finally in a position in life where I can allow
>>> myself to get one.  I'm thinking I may want one step above one you can buy
>>> at a big-
>>> box, but I also don't plan on making it into a hobby.  Any pointers for
>>> a guy who just wants to run a car around sometimes?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some things I think I want, unless I'm told I'm wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 4wd
>>>
>>> Ability to cross sand/mud/shallow water (does this mean waterproof?)
>>>
>>> Won't break if it flips/crashes.
>>>
>>> 100 yard range.
>>>
>>> Rechargeable battery
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anything specific to look for?  Anything to stay away from?  I'm hoping
>>> to keep this little endeavor around $200, that way I don't have to go
>>> through all the
>>> requisition forms and justification analysis with the wife.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Nate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Christmas bonus

[Jeremy via Af]

So if you have an ARPU of $40 then 40*55 = $2200 / month.  Depending on how
many employees you have that would be a pretty awesome bonus structure.

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 7:25 PM, Tushar Patel via Af  wrote:

> Sean,
>
> Sound like great plan. We need to implement something like this.
>
> So with net of 55 per month, how much $$ will go in the pool per month?
> So highest amount made in the year by one person?
>
> Tushar
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2014, at 6:48 PM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:
>
> a couple years ago we stopped doing christmas bonuses and moved to a year
> round monthly "net new" bonuses each month.  we take the total active subs
> last month and the total active subs this month and any amount over 20 goes
> into the net new bonus pool.
>
> for instance if we have 75 net new in a month then 55 * monthly sub $
> average = net new $ bonus pool.  the pool gets divided amongst everyone.
> The formula is a bit more complicated than that but that's the general gist
> of the "net new bonus".  also the reason for the "20" off the top is that
> we feel the company should be able to add 20 net new subs with out even
> really trying (based on historical data from 15 years)
>
> this gets the whole team from sales to support to installers to network
> techs focused on customer retention and company growth.  also since the
> monthly sub $ average is part of the formula it encourages everyone to
> upsell.
>
> this november we doubled last november's net new :-)
>
> we expect this december to blow the doors off last year because in the
> first 2 days of the month we took 23 orders.
>
> -sean
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:
>
>> When does everyone else usually hand this over?  Are there any tax
>> benefits or anything like that?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Grow Room

[Jeremy via Af]

You want the lights to run 18 hours on and 6 off (equivalent to the longest
day of the year).  Then, when you are ready to force flowering switch to
12/12.  I'm assuming spruce trees follow the same rulesright??

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Chuck McCown via Af  wrote:

>   Just wondering of the off time of the lights actually  helps  the
> plants.  I have a surplus of electricity from solar so I am not too much
> worried about that.  I do want to  have optimum growth. *
>
> One would think that the Discovery Channel would come out with Grow Room
> Bandits or some such thing.  Instead of Tim and Tickle we could have Blaze
> and Token.
>
> (*Disclaimer: First paragraph is talking about cloning spruce trees;
> Second is a reply to the email below)
>
>  *From:* That One Guy via Af 
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2014 8:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Grow Room
>
>  the first thing you want to do chuck, is bypass you electrical meter
> now, you need to go to the gun store and get multiple semiautomatic weapons
> go to the animal shelter and get 3-5 pit bulls
> do not shave
> probably bet to purchase alot of flipflops and boxer shorts you will wear
> as actual shorts
> its up to you which tatoos to get, but there needs to be at least two
> grammatical errors and three misspellings
> break out your front left top tooth
> a mullet is fully in order
>
>
> but seriously, I never had hydro, but lightwise i always did 12/12. with
> lights
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Jaime Solorza via Af 
> wrote:
>
>> Believe me. Tommy Chong will smoke it
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>  On Nov 29, 2014 10:18 AM, "Chuck McCown via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>>   Got my turbo cloner yesterday.  Almost zero instructions.
>>> Do you just let these things spray 2/7?  Do you cycle the lights?
>>>
>>> I figured there had to be at least one hydroponic person here...
>>>
>>> (Don’t get excited, that Mormon guy is attempting to clone spruce
>>> trees...)
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
>  All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>

Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor discovery IP or factory reset

[Jeremy via Af]

Yeah, I must have missed that part.  Is this one of the old site monitors?

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 6:04 AM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:

> That was a base2 though right?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Nov 26, 2014 12:59 AM, "Jeremy via Af"  wrote:
>
>> I actually had to use this tool on a site tonight.  I used the new
>> Ethernet Upgrade Tool for windows, was directly connected to the Ethernet
>> port on my laptop.  I pressed 'yeah I have read the blah blah blah' and
>> then hit discover, it told me to reboot.  I disconnected power 1 and 2 for
>> a sec and when I plugged it back in it gave me the IP.  Then I couldn't
>> figure out the SNMP so I had to use it again to reset, same process.  It
>> worked perfectly both times.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:28 AM, Josh Luthman via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure what email address to use offlist...
>>>
>>> I've done all that several times to confirm.  I also went straight to
>>> the NIC as well as trying a Netgear dumb switch (it had link light, doesn't
>>> specify speed/duplex).
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:33 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Unfortunately there's quite a few things which will break the tool.
>>>> I've attached a .pdf which should cover all of them.  Make sure you have
>>>> the right tool as described, and if you have problems afterwards let me
>>>> know.
>>>>
>>>> -forrest
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor discovery IP or factory reset

[Jeremy via Af]

I actually had to use this tool on a site tonight.  I used the new Ethernet
Upgrade Tool for windows, was directly connected to the Ethernet port on my
laptop.  I pressed 'yeah I have read the blah blah blah' and then hit
discover, it told me to reboot.  I disconnected power 1 and 2 for a sec and
when I plugged it back in it gave me the IP.  Then I couldn't figure out
the SNMP so I had to use it again to reset, same process.  It worked
perfectly both times.

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:28 AM, Josh Luthman via Af  wrote:

> Not sure what email address to use offlist...
>
> I've done all that several times to confirm.  I also went straight to the
> NIC as well as trying a Netgear dumb switch (it had link light, doesn't
> specify speed/duplex).
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 3:33 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af <
> af@afmug.com> wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately there's quite a few things which will break the tool.  I've
>> attached a .pdf which should cover all of them.  Make sure you have the
>> right tool as described, and if you have problems afterwards let me know.
>>
>> -forrest
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium and WBMFG GO Green!

[Jeremy via Af]

LOL, That is some funny stuff right there.

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:36 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af <
af@afmug.com> wrote:

> You have a foliage problem, try 900.
>
>
> On 11/20/2014 9:33 AM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gino A. Villarini
>> President
>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>> www.aeronetpr.com
>> @aeronetpr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/20/14, 11:25 AM, "Rafael Reinoso" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Traction on icy/slick roofs

[Jeremy via Af]

Digis used to provide a roof harness and a mule tape bucket with a Chuck-It
(the tennis ball dog toy).  You could throw it over the roof and hook it to
the hitch on the truck.  I don't know of ANYONE who ever used it though,
aside from training in the safety meetings.  There was only one in the shop
so you'd have to go back to get it.  I usually just try to get on at the
peak and belly crawl through the snow with my Yak Traks.  That or I work
100% off of the ladder.  I have never used the harness, but there were a
couple of times that I would have if I had it on the truck.

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> I have used YakTrak for years.  They are awesome.  They pull over your
> boots and they don't damage the roof like cleats.
>
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Darin Steffl via Af 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> What are you using for installers when on snowy/icy roofs for customer
>> installs. Obviously we can't just have them wearing tennis shoes or even
>> most boots as they'll slip and fall. We are looking for a solution that
>> gives them a more secure grip that can eat into the ice and grab that or
>> down to the shingle for grip. I found "traction cleats" as strap on devices
>> to your shoes that look promising but not sure if this is enough grip for
>> the roof tops.
>>
>> So what are you guys using to keep techs safe on the roof during winter?
>> I'm thinking we're going to want to throw a rope over the peak and tie down
>> on the other side to allow them a rope to attach a harness to with cable
>> grab in case of slip.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Stabilicers-Original-Heavy-Traction-Cleat/dp/B003DQURO2/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1416041928&sr=8-7&keywords=traction+cleats
>>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=traction%20cleats
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>  Like us on Facebook
>> 
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Traction on icy/slick roofs

[Jeremy via Af]

I have used YakTrak for years.  They are awesome.  They pull over your
boots and they don't damage the roof like cleats.

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Darin Steffl via Af  wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> What are you using for installers when on snowy/icy roofs for customer
> installs. Obviously we can't just have them wearing tennis shoes or even
> most boots as they'll slip and fall. We are looking for a solution that
> gives them a more secure grip that can eat into the ice and grab that or
> down to the shingle for grip. I found "traction cleats" as strap on devices
> to your shoes that look promising but not sure if this is enough grip for
> the roof tops.
>
> So what are you guys using to keep techs safe on the roof during winter?
> I'm thinking we're going to want to throw a rope over the peak and tie down
> on the other side to allow them a rope to attach a harness to with cable
> grab in case of slip.
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Stabilicers-Original-Heavy-Traction-Cleat/dp/B003DQURO2/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1416041928&sr=8-7&keywords=traction+cleats
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=traction%20cleats
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Company Facebook Page

[Jeremy via Af]

We use Facebook to update customers on what we are doing as a company, for
marketing, and for the occasional holiday greeting.
https://www.facebook.com/BlueSpringBroadband

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:40 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
wrote:

>
> I must add - our page has become a very informative page-  not only on
> "internet threats", but i've been posting quite a bit of FCC / industry
> news there.  Several of our "likes" seem to be from people who are our
> customers - as well as "on board" with us.
>
> I like to have them ready to write letters to congress on a pen's notice ;)
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Chris Wright via Af 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2014 3:53 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Company Facebook Page
>
>  I try to keep it to things a bit personal, a bit technical, but never
> sales-pitchy. People don’t go to your facebook to be sold something, they
> go because you are giving them something of value (funny tech comic,
> educational information, etc.)
>
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Velociter-Wireless/126091380749224
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Velociter Wireless 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett via
> Af
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 13, 2014 1:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Company Facebook Page
>
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/ZIRKELwireless
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Paul McCall via Af  wrote:
>
>  Anybody have a company Facebook page that they are particularly proud
> of?  Looking for some creative ideas (posts) to use on ours
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Animal Farm 9

[Jeremy via Af]

Thus far I only hit AF because I cannot seem to make time for any of the
out of state shows and I am local to Utah.  Plus, it rules.  I usually have
a differing opinion the morning after but that has more to do with the
choices I make the night after the event than the event itself.

On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Daniel White via Af  wrote:

> SAF and the team will be there!  Platinum Sponsors!
>
> We love both organizations, and their shows while different, also make them
> unique and stand on their own.  I don't think one would ever be able to
> replicate the other and vice versa.
>
> Daniel White – Managing Director
> SAF North America LLC
>
> Cell:  (303) 746-3590
> Skype: danieldwhite
> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ivan Kohler via Af
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 4:45 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Animal Farm 9
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > The folks at WB manufacturing emailed me about the Animal Farm 9 show in
> > February (4th-5th).  We haven't been to an AF show in a couple years.
> > Other than the date, there isn't any 2015 specific information on the
> site
> yet,
> > such as this year's agenda or sponsors.
> >
> > What do you all think of the show?  Will you be going this year?  Do you
> also
> > go to WISPA (or other shows) or only AF?
> >
> > Thanks for your input.  Feel free to have be opinionated.  :)
> >
> > --
> > Ivan Kohler
> > President and Head Geek
> > Freeside Internet Services, Inc.
> > http://www.freeside.biz/
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Double messages

[Jeremy via Af]

Only my own

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Andreas Wiatowski via Af 
wrote:

>  I’ve been getting doubles of all posts to this list.
>
>
>
> Wondering if anyone else is too?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andreas Wiatowski
> Director / CEO
>
> *Silo Wireless Inc. *p: 519 449-5656 / 1-866-727-4138 x600
> [image: cid:3489042966_113460876]<*http://silowireless.com/
> *>  [image: cid:3489042966_113480036] 
> <*http://twitter.com/#!/silowireless
> *>  [image: cid:3489042966_113467566]
> <*http://www.facebook.com/silowireless
> *>
>
>
>
> *This email and any files transmitted with it are CONFIDENTIAL and are
> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is
> addressed.  If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible
> for delivering the email to the intended recipient, be advised that you
> have received this email in error and that any use, dissemination,
> forwarding, printing or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. *
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create

[Jeremy via Af]

Happy little trees...

On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af  wrote:

>  LOL :)
>
> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>  On 11/09/2014 06:55 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
>
>  Did he beat the devil out of a little brush?
>
>  *From:* Jaime Solorza via Af 
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2014 8:41 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT. Bob Ross on Create
>
>
> Watching Bob Ross on Create while enjoying a few Tecates...damn its kind
> of transcendental...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses

[Jeremy via Af]

Remember the old Digital Logger AC rebooters that we all used to use on
WiFi gear??  Now I use them on all of my electronics at home so that I can
power cycle them over wifi.  Roku is locked up again?  Just a sec, let me
login with my phone.  BluRay isn't working?  One sec...  It is pretty much
the best thing ever.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett via Af  wrote:

>  I'd be happy to share in that job.
>
> My big beef with our brave new world is that you have to reboot
> everything.
>
> Microwave display is screwed upunplug it and plug it back in.
> Washing machine digital display is not responding.unplug it and plug
> it back in.
> DVD Player frozen.unplug it and plug it back in.
> Dodge Intrepid won't shift gears..turn it off and turn it back on.
>
> These are all true stories.
>
> The internet of things will be a network of crap that doesn't work unless
> you reboot it regularly.  When they are up, the "things" will all be
> participating in a botnet.
>
>  finally someone took over Doug's job of letting us all know the sky is
> falling!?!?
>
>  hip hip hooray...long live Ken the prognosticator!
>
> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:
>
>>  The apocalypse is coming!
>>
>> bp
>>
>>  On 11/4/2014 11:58 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>>
>>  Soon, when your Internet goes out, you won’t even be able to open your
>> garage door or flush your toilet, because it will all be in the cloud.
>>
>> And as ISPs, we’ll be getting angry calls like “Is the tower down?  I
>> can’t flush my toilet.”
>>
>> You think I’m joking?  Remember the thread about LED bulbs interfering
>> with garage door openers?  One of the suggested fixes is a garage door
>> opener app on your smartphone.  I assume that only works if your smarthouse
>> has working Internet.  Our hives will cease to operate if you cut the
>> connection to the collective.
>>
>> I’m imagining that something goes wrong with the cloud controller, and
>> now I can’t even use WiFi within my house, like printing to my wireless
>> printer or using Chromecast to my TV.  Yes, I know, Unifi should continue
>> to operate without the controller once set up, but do some features stop
>> working?  Like handoff between APs?
>>
>>  *From:* Josh Baird via Af 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 1:47 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wifi for large houses
>>
>>   You can host them all on a single controller in your datacenter.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2014, at 2:24 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>>
>>   Can't stand unifi, have them came up with a way to do it without a
>> controller? What do you do if the customer doesn't have a windows machine?
>> Install a unifi "server" ?
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Sean Heskett via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> UBNT UniFi...one SSID
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 12:19 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:
>>>
 What are you guys doing to cover large homes with good wifi coverage?
 Any options besides multiple routers with multiple ssid's? Does rukus or
 someone make something with true roaming?

>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Structured Cabling - Looking for Ideas

[Jeremy via Af]

The Leviton boxes are nice.  Most newer homes use those.  The problems that
I have seen with those boxes are these:  If you want to install a router
and have some wired machines and some wireless you will need the router to
be located inside the metal box.  This doesn't work very good for wireless
at all.  Also, they rarely install power in the Leviton boxes so no ability
for POE or router to be there anyway.  We usually end up tying in to the
wire to the eve, then splicing again to one of the rooms, then placing the
router in that room.  This leaves you with no options for a wired network
as all four pair are used to get the POE to that room.  If they have two
CAT-5E cables ran to the room they can use one back to the Leviton box and
then install a switch in the box (assuming again that you have an AC outlet
in the box.  If the house is wired correctly the Leviton boxes are nice but
they are rarely setup correctly for fixed wireless.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Rory McCann via Af  wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> I'm planning on rewiring my house this winter and was looking for ideas on
> structured wiring as well as products to use. I'm looking at simply RG6
> coaxial and ethernet (for phone and data).
>
> The wiring will be run in a rather deep crawl space and would like
> something that can either mount to the floor joists or something where I
> could build out a mounting platform with 2x4s and install it that way. I'd
> like the wiring to be vertical so I can kneel and access things and not
> have to crank my head and look up.
>
> My original thought was to get a wall-mount "vertical" rack and mount it
> horizontal - this would effectively give me a 19" 6u rack to work with that
> would hang from the floor joists. I was then going to just get a couple of
> keystone patch panels and populate them with the various connectors by
> room. Doesn't need to be fancy. It would still leave me some room for a
> battery backup, rackmount switch and router/modem.
>
> After looking around a bit I also see that Leviton offers some structured
> solutions. These would have to be mounted between some 2x4s or something so
> that I could have normal access to it. Wondering if any of you have any
> experience with these or similar products and if they would be a better
> solution than my rack idea?
>
> Unfortunately, I do not have any room or areas upstairs for the wiring, so
> the crawlspace is where it's going to go.
>
> I'm not looking to spend a small fortune on this project - just want
> something to centralize, label and clean up my existing house wiring as
> well as give me some flexibility in the future.
>
> --
> Rory McCann
> MKAP Technology Solutions
> Web: www.mkap.net
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber for tower (revisited)

[Jeremy via Af]

I ended up ordering a 50/125 MTP cable pre-terminated on one side with 12
LC connections and MTP on the other side.  Then I purchased mtp to 12 LC
adapters.  I just decided forget it and went unarmored in conduit to a 1U
rack mount junction/splice housing on one side and a splice/junction box
outside.  Then I come out of that with patch cables in flex conduit to each
BH.  It worked out perfect but you do not want to know what I paid.  Are
these mtp to 12 LC the 'squids' that you are talking about?

On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Mike Hammett via Af  wrote:

> Has anyone figured out what the "squids" cost that the mobile guys use?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> --
> *From: *"Jeremy via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:44:26 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fiber for tower (revisited)
>
> We are looking to run fiber for all of our licensed backhauls.  I have
> seen Superior Essex armored fiber recommended before.  I had a couple of
> questions.  Do you usually just use two of the 12 fibers and run one cable
> to each backhaul?  Do they make a version with just two pair?  Is there a
> way for me to run the 12 into a box and then splice it out and run 6
> backhauls over it?  Would that be the recommended method?
>
> Then, on to terminationare most of you using the scoring tool and the
> field-installable ends that you squeeze to crimp?  Are these recommended?
> Where is the best place to purchase these ends and tools?  I have attached
> Mike's video of this process (which makes it look very simple btw)
>
> http://youtu.be/rKWLCVgkNtM
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Custom engraving stencil

[Jeremy via Af]

How about this method?
http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-do-engraving-easy-and-make-it-look-decent/

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Matt via Af  wrote:

> Anyone know where you can get a custom engraving stencil?  Want to put
> property of XXX on all our hand tools.  Small enough to go on wrenches
> as well.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork

[Jeremy via Af]

For me, having them sign ahead of time would require extra work.  I would
have to have them print it and then I'd either be back on paperwork or I'd
have to scan it and upload it to their account back at the office.  I can't
'push' a contract to them if they aren't on my network.

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:24 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:

> seriously, why do you guys not get your contracts signed ahead of time?
>
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Jeremy via Af  wrote:
>
>> We use digital contracts through Powercode.  They added this feature last
>> year.  I can 'push' contracts to accounts and they are redirected and
>> cannot access the net until they are signed.  We have them sign at the time
>> of the install.  I have only had two who sat there and read the entire
>> thing.  Of course one of those was an install that went until like 8pm.
>> Once signed, the agreement is saved in .pdf format to the customer's
>> account.  This has really simplified the process for us.  Thanks Powercode!
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:46 PM, David Milholen via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  We still use a the carbon copy forms.. No hardware .
>>> The  cost of printing (ink) is approx .25 - .75 cents a print or more
>>> depending on usage. The carbon prints from a professional printing company
>>> runs us about 120 bucks for a full CASE of triple copy contracts ready
>>> to sign.
>>>  I say the writing is on the wall :)
>>>
>>> On 10/29/2014 11:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af wrote:
>>>
>>>  Quick poll question...  For those of you still using paper in the
>>> field for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in
>>> the vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend?  We
>>> use a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the
>>> paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field.  However, they
>>> are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs.  I’ve even
>>> had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a
>>> mustard packet inside them.  Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null
>>> at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but
>>> until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the
>>> field?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor
>>> Royell Communications, Inc.
>>> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>

Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork

[Jeremy via Af]

I forgot to add - I use a Nexus 7 to do all of our installs.  I have a
DeWalt flashlight with a UBNT wifi router built in.  I use it to power the
radio and do the alignment and configuration, then once inside I plug the
flashlight into the wallplate that was just cut in.  Now I have Wifi access
throughout the customer's home.  I can just go and find them wherever they
are and hand them the Nexus 7 with a small stylus and they sign right on
the screen.  This is the best method I have ever used in almost 15 years of
doing installs.

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Jeremy via Af  wrote:

> We use digital contracts through Powercode.  They added this feature last
> year.  I can 'push' contracts to accounts and they are redirected and
> cannot access the net until they are signed.  We have them sign at the time
> of the install.  I have only had two who sat there and read the entire
> thing.  Of course one of those was an install that went until like 8pm.
> Once signed, the agreement is saved in .pdf format to the customer's
> account.  This has really simplified the process for us.  Thanks Powercode!
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:46 PM, David Milholen via Af 
> wrote:
>
>>  We still use a the carbon copy forms.. No hardware .
>> The  cost of printing (ink) is approx .25 - .75 cents a print or more
>> depending on usage. The carbon prints from a professional printing company
>> runs us about 120 bucks for a full CASE of triple copy contracts ready to
>> sign.
>>  I say the writing is on the wall :)
>>
>> On 10/29/2014 11:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af wrote:
>>
>>  Quick poll question...  For those of you still using paper in the field
>> for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the
>> vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend?  We use
>> a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the
>> paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field.  However, they
>> are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs.  I’ve even
>> had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a
>> mustard packet inside them.  Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null
>> at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but
>> until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the
>> field?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor
>> Royell Communications, Inc.
>> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Field Paperwork

[Jeremy via Af]

We use digital contracts through Powercode.  They added this feature last
year.  I can 'push' contracts to accounts and they are redirected and
cannot access the net until they are signed.  We have them sign at the time
of the install.  I have only had two who sat there and read the entire
thing.  Of course one of those was an install that went until like 8pm.
Once signed, the agreement is saved in .pdf format to the customer's
account.  This has really simplified the process for us.  Thanks Powercode!

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:46 PM, David Milholen via Af  wrote:

>  We still use a the carbon copy forms.. No hardware .
> The  cost of printing (ink) is approx .25 - .75 cents a print or more
> depending on usage. The carbon prints from a professional printing company
> runs us about 120 bucks for a full CASE of triple copy contracts ready to
> sign.
>  I say the writing is on the wall :)
>
> On 10/29/2014 11:43 AM, Ben Royer via Af wrote:
>
>  Quick poll question...  For those of you still using paper in the field
> for your technicians to have customers sign, do you use printers in the
> vehicles? If yes to that question, which printer do you recommend?  We use
> a basic HP Deskjet scanner/copier/printer, so the client can sign the
> paperwork and then we can make a copy for them in the field.  However, they
> are not very durable to the every day use of our field techs.  I’ve even
> had them brought in because they are jammed and we find things like a
> mustard packet inside them.  Now, the obvious go paperless argument is null
> at this point as we are putting a plan in place to get there someday, but
> until then, what would you all recommend for paperwork printing in the
> field?
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Supervisor
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail

[Jeremy via Af]

I still have a very successful layer 2 network.  However, it is all
segmented with VLANs, pruning, and multicast rate control.  My bridged
network has less latency than your routed network.  ;)

On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Jason McKemie via Af  wrote:

> I've been doing routed since day 1 (sometime in '05). Scary to think it
> has been almost a decade.
>
>
> On Saturday, October 25, 2014, Sterling Jacobson via Af 
> wrote:
>
>>  Heee, in 2005 we had a very redundant successful layer 2 network.
>>
>> I think mainly because the radios had finally implemented filtering and
>> storm control at the consumer side.
>>
>>
>>
>> We have about 100 new protocols now it seems like, but basic networking
>> is still the same since then.
>>
>>
>>
>> That could use a major simplification and overhaul as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wish the FCC would rework the lower frequency spectrum like white
>> spaces and open up huge chunks of it.
>>
>>
>>
>> That would single handedly turn the wireless WISP industry into a very
>> competitive powerhouse.
>>
>>
>>
>> It’s not like it doesn’t exist.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is no way all that spectrum is being constantly used all over the
>> US all the time.
>>
>> I get the feeling most of it is unused most of the time.
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone ever done a semi-comprehensive study of actual raw spectrum
>> noise/usage across significant bands in major dense areas?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via
>> Af
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:17 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail
>>
>>
>>
>> Big flat network... instant worm propagation... ahh yes, the good old
>> days...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof via Af
>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2014 10:48 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail
>>
>>
>>
>> That is like saying the car I drive today isn’t much faster than my first
>> car in 1969.  There is no comparison though when you look at all the
>> incremental improvements.  Hey, that 1969 Camaro had an AM radio and a
>> heater!
>>
>>
>>
>> If you think the Internet service you offer today is not much different
>> than 2005, just a little faster, you need to travel back in time and visit
>> your 2005 WISP and see all the differences between then and now.  I look at
>> the sub-ms backhauls and redundant rings and 24x7 reliability and
>> monitoring and quick restoration people expect today because their lives
>> revolve around connectivity and cloud apps, and it’s a world of
>> difference.  The only thing that has stayed the same is the price we get
>> away with charging, in fact that has not even kept pace with inflation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Travis Johnson via Af
>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:22 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree that the only thing that has changed is speed... but what do you
>> expect? The PC hasn't changed much in 30 years... just faster... it still
>> does the same thing it did 30 years ago, just faster.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>> On 10/24/2014 11:22 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:
>>
>>  Sterling, thank you! I think you and me must be the only ones who can
>> see the elephant.. OH LOOKY LOOKY AC PTMP!!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Is it just me, or is no one realizing that we are still not that far
>> from 2005 with wireless.
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, we have 300-1Gbps capable radios.
>>
>> But they trade that for larger channel allocations and even more signal
>> to noise requirements.
>>
>>
>>
>> But the spectrum allocations haven’t changed enough to use these new
>> features to their fullest in a radio dense environment.
>>
>>
>>
>> When doing cost analysis in my area last year for wireless I realized I
>> had to forklift upgrade most of my network, and build towers out in a half
>> mile range.
>>
>>
>>
>> This was to get the 30Mbps plan rates to really work.
>>
>>
>>
>> The costs were skyrocketing because of all the towers and sectors.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think the real winners of late are still the rural and low density
>> wireless provider domains.
>>
>> They are the ones with clean enough spectrum to cost this competitively.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> via Af
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 6:41 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Holy Grail
>>
>>
>>
>> Bring out the Holy Grenade of Antioch...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2014 5:56 PM, "Jayson Baker via Af"  wrote:
>>
>>  Anyone else get this email?
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone know what it is?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FREE Slimline Dish

[Jeremy via Af]

For Proxim radios I'm assuming.  Do you not make a UBNT claw for these?

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 3:16 PM, TJ Trout via Af  wrote:

> How does the ordering work? You buy the holders separate? What is the
> SLH-PROX?
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Traci via Af  wrote:
>
>> Want to try a dish for free?
>> Just send me an email with your holder of choice and your contact info
>> and we'll get one on the way to you.
>> Traci
>> WB Manufacturing
>> tr...@wbmfg.com
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Employee damaging equipment

[Jeremy via Af]

Well I extremely appreciate the specific FLSA laws on this matter and the
creative ways of dealing with the solution (for those employees who are not
our brothers).  Thanks Josh and Travis.

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af  wrote:

>  I'm not going to screw him over or anything. He offered to pay for the
> ladder on his own, just the way we were raised.
>
> You break it, you bought it.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 23, 2014 8:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Employee damaging equipment
>
> He said it was his brother right ?  Who cares!  Your brother is your
> blood.  Sh!t happens
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 23, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af  wrote:
>
>  Federal labor law says you can't hold employees financial responsible
> for broken/lost tools. (from my understanding)
>
> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
> On 10/23/2014 04:22 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af wrote:
>
> How do you guys handle it when an employee damages or loses equipment?
>
> This is my baby brother's first job. He tied the ladder and it fell out of
> the truck, no where to be found.
>
> He said he's going to either get me one or pay me back, just curious how
> everyone else handles this.
>
> I've never run into it yet.
> �
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: 200' Armored fiber - 12 strand (for towers)

[Jeremy via Af]

Also, the Corning rack splice trays and tower boxes will accept six LC
connectors (I know they make a 12 as well, but the tray in my rack will
already accept another adapter later).  This is me planning for future
upgrades, as I am only installing one link on the fiber now.  Plus, I am
using field-installable crimp connectors and they are freaking expensive.
I don't really want to terminate much more than that just for future
expansion.  I am running a fiber from our server room to the roof at the
NOC and one at our main mountaintop site, which regularly takes strikes.
We are installing a new 6GHz link between these sites and I don't really
want to run them on Ethernet.

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> For six backhauls.
>
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:
>
>> Curious why you want 12 strand?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Jason McKemie via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It usually isn't a problem finding shorter lengths. The shortages I've
>>> noticed are mainly several thousand foot spools.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 17, 2014, Adam Moffett via Af  wrote:
>>>
 I was told there's a shortage right now.

> I'm still looking for somebody to sell us 200' of fiber for a project
> that we are working on.  It seems like nobody was using multimode last 
> time
> we asked so we didn't get any takers.  We have decided to just use
> singlemode instead since that seems to be what most are using.  I really
> don't want to buy 3300 feet on a 14 week lead time to complete this
> backhaul project.  So does anyone out there want to sell us 200' of good
> quality fiber for a tower project that we are working on?
>


>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WTB: 200' Armored fiber - 12 strand (for towers)

[Jeremy via Af]

For six backhauls.

On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 4:36 PM, Chuck Hogg via Af  wrote:

> Curious why you want 12 strand?
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Jason McKemie via Af 
> wrote:
>
>> It usually isn't a problem finding shorter lengths. The shortages I've
>> noticed are mainly several thousand foot spools.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 17, 2014, Adam Moffett via Af  wrote:
>>
>>> I was told there's a shortage right now.
>>>
 I'm still looking for somebody to sell us 200' of fiber for a project
 that we are working on.  It seems like nobody was using multimode last time
 we asked so we didn't get any takers.  We have decided to just use
 singlemode instead since that seems to be what most are using.  I really
 don't want to buy 3300 feet on a 14 week lead time to complete this
 backhaul project.  So does anyone out there want to sell us 200' of good
 quality fiber for a tower project that we are working on?

>>>
>>>
>

[AFMUG] WTB: 200' Armored fiber - 12 strand (for towers)

[Jeremy via Af]

I'm still looking for somebody to sell us 200' of fiber for a project that
we are working on.  It seems like nobody was using multimode last time we
asked so we didn't get any takers.  We have decided to just use singlemode
instead since that seems to be what most are using.  I really don't want to
buy 3300 feet on a 14 week lead time to complete this backhaul project.  So
does anyone out there want to sell us 200' of good quality fiber for a
tower project that we are working on?

Re: [AFMUG] 477 deadline

[Jeremy via Af]

They must be testing implementation of their new 5GHz rules.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:23 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller via Af 
wrote:

>
> I heard there were some routers in west virginia that might could connect
> that gear.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Timothy D. McNabb via Af 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:25 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 deadline
>
>  That’s the old tech. There was a big gov’mint contract not too long ago
> where they upgraded to Pentium 60MHz chips and 16MB of RAM for their
> database handlers. I’m guessing the issues are related to learning the new
> gear.
>
>
>
> -Tim
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy via
> Af
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:38 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 477 deadline
>
>
>
> it happenned right after we filed, Im assuming that our huge customer
> database overloaded their 486dx server, or they ran out of 5 1/4 floppies
> to offload
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>
> I believe Steve Coran posted something (probably over at the WISPA list)
> about November.  I think it was based on ~2 weeks more addressing the
> mystery issue, and then 2 weeks notice for filers.
>
> It would be nice if they were a little more transparent about the
> issue/incident/anomaly.  Was the data hacked?  Corrupted or lost?  Ran out
> of room and had to order more hard drives?  First time a telco tried to
> upload a million line CSV file it choked?
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett via Af
> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:22 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] 477 deadline
>
>
>
> So I had actually forgotten about the 477 after the technical problem on
> the FCC site.  It looks like it's still broken though, so I guess I
> didn't miss the boat yet.
>
> Has anybody heard when it will be back up?
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.

[Jeremy via Af]

What are the plans / prices / data caps?

On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Rory Conaway via Af  wrote:

> They are also 600+ms latency and monthly caps.  The other problem I heard
> was that they didn’t cover a lot of the western states but someone else
> might have more info on that.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout via Af
> *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 1:51 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.
>
>
>
> Exede is a whole new beast, like 20mbps per sub and the sat capacity is
> like 10TB or something crazy
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown via Af 
> wrote:
>
> Last time I checked, they were out of capacity in rural areas.
>
>
>
> *From:* Chris Wright via Af 
>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 1:35 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.
>
>
>
> Our converted-from-satellite-internet customers are extremely vocal about
> their disdain for satellite internet. A deal like this may bring in an
> extra few bucks; headaches, doubly so.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Velociter Wireless 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Ernst via Af
> *Sent:* Friday, October 10, 2014 12:21 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Introducing a new revenue opportunity for WISPs.
>
>
>
> [image: Exede and Convergence header- Helping WISPs cash in on
> unservicable customers]
> Introducing a Brand New Exede Reseller ProgramCreated Specifically for
> WISPs
>
> Convergence Technologies and Exede are excited to announce a new
> partnership with a unique sales program designed specifically for WISPs.
> Learn how this program opens up new profit opportunities for WISPs by
> turning unserviceable customers into profitable new customers while also
> reducing gaps in coverage.
>
> ✓
>
> Never say "No" to an unserviceable customer
>
> ✓
>
> You own the customer
>
> ✓
>
> Attractive service plans, margins, and pricing
>
> ✓
>
> Easy installation
>
> ✓
>
> Training provided
>
> ✓
>
> Increase revenue and profits
>
> *Say goodbye to lost sales and profits. Say hello to the new ConVergence /
> Exede WISP reseller program.*
>
> Please join us at the booth for a live demonstration and detailed
> brochures to take home.
>
> *Convergence Technologies would like to offer you a promotion code for a
> $50.00 discount on Full Conference Passes to attend the show. The discount
> code is CTI204*
>
> *Please feel free to call us at 844.251.3583 <844.251.3583> if you have
> any questions about this exciting opportunity*
>
> *Come see us at WISPAPALOOZA 2014!*
>
> [image: WISPAPALOOZA 2014 logo]
>
> [image: Exede Internet Logo]
>
> Visit us at Booth 306
>
> [image: Convergence Logo]
>
> Visit us at Booth 401
>
>
>
>
>
> *Jeff Ernst*
> Director of Sales and Marketing
>
> [image: ConVergence Technologies, Inc.] 
>
>
>
>
>
> Where Best of Class Technologies ConVerge
>
>
>
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 7956 Madison Street
>
> Burr Ridge, IL 60527
>
>
>
> *tel*
>
> 312.205.2503
>
>
>
> jer...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP

[Jeremy via Af]

We grandfathered all plans on the WISP I purchased.  They are grandfathered
indefinitely, but will go away if you ever upgrade.  In that respect, we
did it sort of like the cellular companies.  They had an elderly discount
and those people pay $26.20.  They were told that it was up to 1Mbps with a
5GB monthly cap.  We raised it to 5Mbps with a 25GB monthly cap, since
there were no limits being enforced before and people were actually seeing
as much as the antenna would pull at that time.  Most everyone has moved up
due to the monthly bandwidth.  The few that kept the plan don't use that
much data at all.  Only one downgraded to our $20 plan.

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 5:29 AM, Gino Villarini via Af  wrote:

>   Yea! Is either that or he has pneumonia… please shut down you mic…
>
>
>
>  Gino A. Villarini
> President
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> www.aeronetpr.com
> @aeronetpr
>
>
>
>   From: "af@afmug.com" 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Thursday, October 9, 2014 at 3:02 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP
>
>   Was Dennis having a baby?
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Randy Cosby via Af  wrote:
>
>> Be sure to shut your mic off if you're not "on the air" :)
>>
>>
>> On 10/8/2014 1:29 PM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote:
>>
>>  We just went though a great ISP Radio episode with Jeff Kohler from Jab
>> Wireless on Acquisitions!  Check out the download!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:06 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP
>>
>>
>>
>> It's all in how you manage the changes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Send a letter welcoming them to the family. Outline some of the steps you
>> have taken to improve service, and that your company takes a very proactive
>> approach to network monitoring, uptime, and performance. Let them know how
>> to get customer support and how to contact your various departments. Taking
>> these steps will increase retention, and sets the tone for what they can
>> expect from their new provider.
>>
>>
>>
>> Additionally, describe the new plan options are and what plan they will
>> be transferred to. If someone doesn't like their new plan, let them know
>> what the upgrade options are. They can choose to upgrade or go somewhere
>> else.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:02 AM, That One Guy via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Take a page out of JABs handbook and just tell them to go &^%$ themselves
>> if they dont like it
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Mathew Howard via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I would probably just match it to the rest of your system. my guess is
>> the majority of them won't even notice the difference... if you've cleaned
>> up a lot of self interference issues, a lot of them will likely work better
>> than they did before with the all the self interference issues. You
>> probably will get a few that are mad they can't get 10mbps on a speed test
>> at 2am anymore though...
>>   --
>>
>> *From:* Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Glen Waldrop via Af [
>> af@afmug.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2014 11:51 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP
>>
>> I just bought another WISP, negotiating with another.
>>
>> The previous owners set up the system using Rocket M900 using 20MHz
>> channels on everything, stomping all over itself and everyone else in the
>> band. I changed that, did my best to stop the self interference, smaller
>> channels, etc...
>>
>> This was just a tiny bit of back story to show what I've gotten myself in
>> to.
>>
>> Everyone has unlimited access to their 10Mb fiber, which I have replaced
>> by tying it into my network.
>>
>> There was no traffic shaping, no speed limits, no QoS. Most of them
>> aren't heavy users, just a couple that run torrents 24/7. The P2P folks
>> have been limited already. Not terribly worried about upsetting them.
>>
>> I'm a bit concerned I'm going to anger my new customers by matching the
>> same config I have for my system of 1Mb/4Mb.
>>
>> How did/would you guys handle situations like this? My main QoS at the
>> edge prevents any one person from hogging all the bandwidth.
>>
>> I'm currently torn between QoS at the tower and uncapping the CPE or
>> limiting the CPE as I've always done.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>>
>> Randy Cosby
>> InfoWest, Inc
>> 435-674-0165 x 2010
>> infowest.com 
>>
>> This e

Re: [AFMUG] WTF apex 9 cable defects

[Jeremy via Af]

Shireen shielded is all that we use on towers and installs.  It has been
awesome.  I have no issues with it.  The reel in the box works perfectly
every time.  However, you should duct tape the box closed as soon as you
get it.  The packing tape that holds it together from the factory doesn't
hold up to hauling it around.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af  wrote:

>  How so? Run a cable for 3 years and have a problem with two rolls at
> $xxx/roll. Cost savings over other stuff was what exactly over those 3
> years had you used something different? You saw two bad rolls, no known
> problem with other installs, right?
>
> I don't know how big your company is, but just in doing some rough math it
> would take a hell of a lot of bad cable to replace the +/- $90,000 saved
> during that time. Are you working on something super-duper critical here?
>
> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>  On 10/07/2014 08:19 PM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af wrote:
>
> Cheapest I seen on that 1300a is $300/roll. Almost seems worth it after
> seeing this crap today...
>
>
>  Kurt Fankhauser
>
> Wavelinc Communications
>
> P.O. Box 126
>
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com
>
> tel. 419-562-6405
>
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:
>
>>   Never seen a defect with Belden 1300A/7919A or the Best-Tronics clone
>> of it.  It ain’t cheap though.
>>
>>  *From:* Kurt Fankhauser via Af 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:32 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] WTF apex 9 cable defects
>>
>>   Been using APEX 9 cable for 3 years with no problems until the last
>> year. Earlier this year I unrolled some off a spool and the outer jacket
>> was missing in a spot, CTI sent me a new box and wanted the old one back,
>> today found another box with a HUGE section of outerjacket missing, obvious
>> manufacturing defect because the footage marking was printed on the foil
>> shield! Opened another box from the same pallet and immediately found
>> another defect on that roll that wasn't even off the spool yet.
>>
>> I need to find another brand of cable, I CAN NOT be having these poor
>> quality control issues showing up on towers which is where this cable was
>> being installed today
>>
>>  Kurt Fankhauser
>>
>> Wavelinc Communications
>>
>> P.O. Box 126
>>
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>
>> http://www.wavelinc.com
>>
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare

[Jeremy via Af]

We pay about the same as we did but our deductible is lower, our out of
pocket max is lower, and they covered our pregnancy.  We switched during
the first trimester because we didn't have maternity coverage (no
self-insured plans in our state had it), and Obamacare made pregnancy not
count as a pre-existing condition.  It saved us about $7,000-$8,000 this
year.  The craziest part is that we actually stayed with the same provider,
Select Health (IHC).  It was just the difference between them providing
maternity and not providing maternity.  We have been very happy with our
Obamacare.

On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:50 PM, Glen Waldrop via Af  wrote:

>  Further the subsidies have been deemed unconstitutional, so they're
> forcing us to pay insurance with the promise of subsidies that they are now
> going to take away.
>
> Bait and switch.
>
> The whole thing has been a screwup from day one.
>
> It is actually cheaper for me to pay out of pocket than pay for this
> insurance, but the fines will get you either way.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Rory Conaway via Af 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:03 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
>
>  And so did the quality and options of your care.  I know that 2 of my
> doctors retired early and the other one doesn’t take Obamacare.
> Fortunately I don’t have to use it.
>
>
>
> Here is my question though, doesn’t the fact that the federal government
> wasted a couple billion dollars of your taxes on websites that don’t work,
> companies that are paying workers to do nothing, and companies that are
> friends with the First Lady with no bid process in place?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett via
> Af
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2014 5:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ObamaCare
>
>
>
> Please don't forget that this whole "obamacare" thing was "invented" by
> the American Heratage Foundation which is a republican think tank.  And the
> republicans tried to squash "Hillarycare" with it in the 1990's.
>
>
>
> Be careful what you ask for because you just might get it.
>
>
>
> Also, so far in the states that set up their own exchanges medical costs
> and premiums have been going down...mine sure did :)
>
>
>
> 2cents
>
>
>
> Sean
>
> On Wednesday, October 8, 2014, Travis Johnson via Af  wrote:
>
> Hi...
>
> I'm not sure exactly how this ObamaCare thing was supposed to "save
> everyone money" and provider "better health care". We just received our
> group health insurance premium notice for the upcoming year, and our rates
> will go up by 10% starting 2015.
>
> On top of that, everyone is now paying a 3% ObamaCare tax on their
> personal income taxes. This doesn't really seem like much of a savings to
> me... :(
>
> Travis
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Support bracket for RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish

[Jeremy via Af]

IMC is all we use.  Have saved a ton of cash since we discovered IMC.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

>   IMC conduit weighs about half as much as rigid pipe and is equally
> strong or stronger due to the work hardening.  Any electrical supply house
> will have it.  But it is harder than rigid pipe so mounting clamps may not
> dig in very well.
>
>
>  *From:* Mike Hammett via Af 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 8:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Support bracket for RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish
>
>  I get tower pipe from Primus because it's local...  otherwise the
> biggest pipe Menards has that fits in the mount.  ;-)
>
> I have a bunch of 2-7/8" sections waiting for a home because they wouldn't
> fit in the Force 100's mounts.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
> *From: *"Darin Steffl via Af" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 7, 2014 5:10:57 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Support bracket for RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish
>
> Where do you buy your pipe at? Right now we're just getting at Menards but
> their heavy duty stuff is really expensive. We buy the thin-wall emt but
> for these we would like stronger pipe but seeing if there's a cheaper place
> than the big box stores like Home Depot and Menards.
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af  wrote:
>
>>  edit: 2" pipe is fine as long as it isn't like, thinwall-emt or
>> something
>>
>> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
>> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>>  On 10/07/2014 02:04 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:
>>
>> 2" pipe is fine unless you expect 150MPH winds, which the gear itself
>> isn't rated for anyway.
>>
>> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
>> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>> On 10/07/2014 02:00 PM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> Is there a way or do you recommend adding a support brace to the
>> RocketDish 34db 3 foot dish at all? We haven't used them before but we got
>> some for a 20-mile link and we're adding RF Armor as well so they're quite
>> heavy. What are your recommendations for a mount for these and any
>> additional bracing to make sure they don't blow back and forth. Is a 2"
>> pipe enough for the bracket on these?   Thanks
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>   Like us on Facebook
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>   Like us on Facebook
> 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] credit checks

[Jeremy via Af]

I'm with Sean.  We are a prepaid service and shut people off within 20
days.  Charge for the install up front.  It's not worth the hassle.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Sean Heskett via Af  wrote:

> meh too much work.
>
> get payment upfront for as much as possible (install and first month) bill
> ahead for the month instead of behind and turn off service quickly for
> non-payment.
>
> credit checks are too expensive and bothersome.
>
> 2 cents
>
> -sean
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Adam Moffett via Af  wrote:
>
>> My mission this morning is to figure out how I'm going to do credit
>> checks on potential new customers.
>>
>> While I'm on hold with Experian, I wonder if anybody else is doing credit
>> checks who can share what they're doing.  What company are you using?  How
>> much does it cost? How hard was it to get set up?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

[Jeremy via Af]

I meant your original idea Forrest.  I'm not sure that I'll ever master
this whole email group thing.  As far as an average for business
installsright now we would be better talking about the number of
business installs that we intend to do rather than the amount that we are
actually doing.  If you are basing the decision on our volume then it
probably isn't worth the cost of development unfortunately.

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af <
af@afmug.com> wrote:

> I'm assuming you mean the original idea, not the idea presented in the
> message you replied to ;)
>
> Yes, it occured to me that this might be a business-install type of
> product where you're more worried about uptime and availability instead of
> every penny of cost.
>
> Do you have any idea how many business installs you do on average?
>
> -forrest
>
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Jeremy via Af  wrote:
>
>> This is the best idea I've ever heard for a WISP business invention.  I
>> LOVE the idea.  It would be really hard to justify the cost on customer
>> installs.  I could see maybe bundling it into every business install.  It
>> also becomes one more reason why our business installs are better.  We
>> could power cycle it remotely, view statistics, etc.  I think I could
>> justify it on every business account.
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:47 PM, timothy steele via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A cap that keeps ants/worms on of SM for tree installs would be nice
>>>
>>> —
>>> Sent from Mailbox <https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:45 PM, That One Guy via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> then youre already putting in 5-20 dollars worth of cable, 20-35
>>>> dollars in surge protection. 5-15 dollars in mounting hardware in
>>>> incidental costs aside from the CPE there isnt really much breathing room
>>>> for residential 29-39 dollar connections. Especially in cases like us who
>>>> eat the CPE cost.
>>>> The reality is it would be just one more piece of equipment for
>>>> customers to plug in incorrectly, or even better, completely bypass.
>>>> That being said, I want it, and I want it to display the MAC address of
>>>> the attached device so that when a customer gets a new router to self
>>>> provision they can look on the display and know what it is, we still have
>>>> CS staff telling them to look on the sticker on the router.. fucking
>>>> dipshits.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> E
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Honestly, a RB2011 fills that niche pretty well. Lock the LCD to
>>>>> display only WAN bandwidth, and disable the touchscreen. Techs can
>>>>> log into the RB2011 with the admin credentials and check on the wireless
>>>>> clients, interface errors, run speed tests (tcp) to the headend of your
>>>>> network, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> $5/mo for router management a month is what we charge, and the people
>>>>> that have the service love it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
>>>>> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>>>>>  On 10/05/2014 01:18 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I would love to find a router that has poe output and all of the
>>>>> diagnostic features you mentioned. It would be nice if the customer could
>>>>> just look at the router to see the status of the connection up down or
>>>>> otherwise.
>>>>>  On Oct 5, 2014 2:13 PM, "Chris Fabien via Af"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  I'd say you are correct. Would love to have the functionality but
>>>>>> even at $75 I couldn't justify the cost.
>>>>>> On Oct 5, 2014 5:08 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af" <
>>>>>> af@afmug.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Following up on the previous email about product ideas, I have an
>>>>>>> idea for a product which at least I think would be really cool, but I 
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>> think would likely be a big flop, just because of the apparent cost
>>>>>>> sensitivity of installs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems to me that it would be nice to repla

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

[Jeremy via Af]

This is the best idea I've ever heard for a WISP business invention.  I
LOVE the idea.  It would be really hard to justify the cost on customer
installs.  I could see maybe bundling it into every business install.  It
also becomes one more reason why our business installs are better.  We
could power cycle it remotely, view statistics, etc.  I think I could
justify it on every business account.

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:47 PM, timothy steele via Af  wrote:

> A cap that keeps ants/worms on of SM for tree installs would be nice
>
> —
> Sent from Mailbox 
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:45 PM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:
>
>> then youre already putting in 5-20 dollars worth of cable, 20-35 dollars
>> in surge protection. 5-15 dollars in mounting hardware in incidental costs
>> aside from the CPE there isnt really much breathing room for residential
>> 29-39 dollar connections. Especially in cases like us who eat the CPE cost.
>> The reality is it would be just one more piece of equipment for customers
>> to plug in incorrectly, or even better, completely bypass.
>> That being said, I want it, and I want it to display the MAC address of
>> the attached device so that when a customer gets a new router to self
>> provision they can look on the display and know what it is, we still have
>> CS staff telling them to look on the sticker on the router.. fucking
>> dipshits.
>>
>>
>> E
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Honestly, a RB2011 fills that niche pretty well. Lock the LCD to
>>> display only WAN bandwidth, and disable the touchscreen. Techs can log
>>> into the RB2011 with the admin credentials and check on the wireless
>>> clients, interface errors, run speed tests (tcp) to the headend of your
>>> network, etc.
>>>
>>> $5/mo for router management a month is what we charge, and the people
>>> that have the service love it.
>>>
>>> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
>>> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>>>  On 10/05/2014 01:18 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote:
>>>
>>>  I would love to find a router that has poe output and all of the
>>> diagnostic features you mentioned. It would be nice if the customer could
>>> just look at the router to see the status of the connection up down or
>>> otherwise.
>>>  On Oct 5, 2014 2:13 PM, "Chris Fabien via Af"  wrote:
>>>
  I'd say you are correct. Would love to have the functionality but
 even at $75 I couldn't justify the cost.
 On Oct 5, 2014 5:08 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af" <
 af@afmug.com> wrote:

> Following up on the previous email about product ideas, I have an idea
> for a product which at least I think would be really cool, but I also 
> think
> would likely be a big flop, just because of the apparent cost sensitivity
> of installs.
>
> It seems to me that it would be nice to replace the power injector at
> customer sites with more of an intelligent device.   One that provides
> functionality like traffic metering, cable diagnostics, customer-location
> speed tests, and so on.   The unit would have jacks for the radio, the
> customer equipment, and power.   It would also have a display which shows
> real-time usage data for the customer to be able to determine for
> themselves what their current internet consumption is.   There are a lot 
> of
> natural outgrowths from this such as watchdog reset of the radio itself,
> automatic problem notification to the WISP, etc.   My goal would be to
> instrument this as much as possible.
>
> If you think of this as a 'smart power meter' for internet, with
> diagnostic tools built in, then you've got the basic idea.  This is not
> intended to replace the customer router/nat device, and will only be a
> Layer 2 device as far as traffic goes.  There will likely be some limited
> traffic shaping possible based on the underlying ethernet swtich chipset.
>
> Unfortunately, these can't be a $20 device.   $75 might be doable for
> higher volumes, but $100 is more in the comfort zone for the volumes I
> typically move.  Of course, this is a CPE device and I'm not even sure how
> many I'd sell so these prices are guesses at best - but more likely to go
> down instead of up.
>
> Although I suspect most people would love to have one of these at each
> install, I have a hard time believing that most people would swallow 
> adding
> even $75 to the cost of each install, let alone the $100 which might be 
> the
> price I'd have to hit for lower volume.   Is this a fair assumption?  
> Would
> you add such a device to each install?
>
>
>
>
>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. B

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

[Jeremy via Af]

We have Jab in our area too but our prices are $10.00 less than that with
no fine print.  ;)  It is working very well for us so far.

On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

>   Everyone seems to expect our prices will go down, it’s the Internet
> after all, everything is supposed to get cheaper until it’s free, right?
> We haven’t raised prices in 10 years, and we are feeling some pressure to
> lower prices about 10%, I guess that’s from competition though and it
> sounds like you don’t have too much of that problem.
>
> JAB has people here expecting $40/$50/$60 for 5M/10M/15M speed.  They do
> have an equipment fee and a support plan in the fine print though.
>
> One school of thought is you gotta have added fees, otherwise you just
> look more expensive in a comparison.  (And people do compare prices, even
> if the other guys can’t get them service.)  Another school of thought is,
> if you do a price increase, make it big enough you don’t have another one
> in a year.  Although that never seems to stop the cable companies.  Another
> school of thought is to make it look like you are giving them something for
> the price increase, that’s the game the cablecos play, more content.  Not
> sure what you could give away though, if you are already at 5M and
> unlimited usage.  I guess as long as you are saying “up to”, you could
> raise the number.
>
>  *From:* Paul McCall via Af 
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 04, 2014 3:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?
>
>
> We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential  basic plan.
> Some of our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 years (or
> more).  Around $ 45 / month for “up to 5Mbit/1Mbit”.  Probably 25% of those
> customers, we are the only “good” source for Internet.  The rest have
> varying levels of DSL or cable options.
>
>
>
> Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49.  Maybe a little more, haven’t
> decided.
>
>
>
> How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on “rolling
> contracts” ?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] update an old ubuntu server

[Jeremy via Af]

I just went through this on 12.10 and ended up having to do a full fresh
install.  I think that's going to be your best bet.

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:06 AM, That One Guy via Af  wrote:

> 8.04.3 is the version
> I just need to patch it, its actually a turnkey linux server so it checks
> tunkeys repositories, i might have to change those files that tell it where
> to look
> Most of the commands it doesnt recognize
> This is an old DNS server managed through webmin, its a backup so its not
> a big deal if it gets messed up pushing it through an update
> i know its better to just build a new server and all that, I dont care
> right now, we are replacing these soon anyway
>
> Any body know what I need to do to upgrade it?
>
> --
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>

Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?

[Jeremy via Af]

Cisco IE-3000 4TC sounds like exactly what you are looking for.  It runs on
18-60VDC and can operate up to 167 degrees Fahrenheit.

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af  wrote:

> At $4.10 it's not great, but I would probably go for it.   Biggest driver
> for me would be the single cable up the tower and the ease of securing that
> cable.   I used to do 'box at the top' and moved to individual runs to the
> base. The cabling is a nuisance with everything at the bottom which is why
> I am looking at going back to the 'box at the top' method.   I have not
> found a great deal of difference in equipment survival either way.
>
> As for switches I'm considering doing 2 of these to serve 4 AP's -
> http://www.garrettcom.com/csg14.htm   Using simplex SFP's I can use one
> fiber for each convertor.   So far I have not found a 4 port GigE + 1 SFP
> extended temperature DIN rail mount switch. Still looking.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On 9/28/14, 11:00 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote:
>
>> I have requested pricing on this as well.  I think that in the end, it
>> was overly expensive (something like 4x the cost of doing 2 split runs,
>> $4.10/ft or something like that). If we could get that even within 15% of
>> what I'm paying now, I'd be happy.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>>
> --
> Mark Radabaugh
> Amplex
>
> m...@amplex.net  419.837.5015 x 1021
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WTB Superior Essex 12D fiber cable

[Jeremy via Af]

I saw some with an integrated steel cable for aerial runs in the SE catalog.

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

>   Do you know, is this stuff suitable for aerial installation, and if so,
> what would be the best install method, assuming we don’t have the equipment
> to do aerial lashed?  Is there some kind of figure 8 cable that has an
> integral steel cable that would be better?
>
> I’m not talking about FTTH on utility poles, this is for a grain elevator
> where burying the cable is not practical.  Basically going from a building
> on one side of the bins to a building on the other side, where we can pick
> existing buried fiber to yet another building.
>
>
>  *From:* Jeremy via Af 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 01, 2014 1:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] WTB Superior Essex 12D fiber cable
>
>  I need a couple hundred feet of 12 strand armored fiber.  SE 12D or
> similar.  Everyone else wants to sell me 3300'.  Anyone out there willing
> to part with a couple hundred feet?  I'll get you exact lengths as soon as
> I find someone willing to sell me a bit.  Thanks.
>

[AFMUG] WTB Superior Essex 12D fiber cable

[Jeremy via Af]

I need a couple hundred feet of 12 strand armored fiber.  SE 12D or
similar.  Everyone else wants to sell me 3300'.  Anyone out there willing
to part with a couple hundred feet?  I'll get you exact lengths as soon as
I find someone willing to sell me a bit.  Thanks.

Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs being discontinued

[Jeremy via Af]

No idea yet.  Virtacore claims that they are looking for an alternate
service.  So far I have been waiting to see what they come up with.  I'm
debating building my own mail server but I really really hate that option.

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Matt via Af  wrote:

> What is everyone moving too that used to use this service?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

[Jeremy via Af]

Should be able to get it around $700-750

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af <
af@afmug.com> wrote:

> $700-1k
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 27, 2014, at 3:56 PM, Darin Steffl via Af  wrote:
>
> Last we checked $700 on one year contract and free NRC
>
> On Saturday, September 27, 2014, Matt via Af  wrote:
>
>> What is going rate for gig of Cogent at the datacenter?
>>
>
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack

[Jeremy via Af]

Our webserver was vulnerable.  Tried to fix it without backing it up
firstyeah, I know.  Lost it all.  So I guess I will be building a new
website from my 2013 backup this weekend.  It's a good thing I carpet
bombed my website to prevent anyone from messing with it!

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

>   Unfortunately I have a couple old servers running RHEL4 and one old
> BlueQuartz webhosting appliance based on CentOS4.  I’m a little reluctant
> to try compiling the patch myself unless I switch to a difference shell
> first, if I screw up my command shell it might be difficult to fix.
>
> Any guess if I’d be safe using the RPM cited in this thread:
>
> http://serverfault.com/questions/631055/how-do-i-patch-rhel-4-for-the-bash-vulnerabilities-in-cve-2014-6271-and-cve-2014
>
> the RPM it points to is:
>
>
> http://public-yum.oracle.com/repo/EnterpriseLinux/EL4/latest/i386/getPackage/bash-3.0-27.0.2.el4.i386.rpm
>
>
>  *From:* Ty Featherling via Af 
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code
> injection attack
>
>
> Yeah probably the NSA! Hahaha!
>
> -Ty
> On Sep 26, 2014 10:36 PM, "That One Guy via Af"  wrote:
>
>> Man I bet theres some guy whose been exploiting this for 20 years who is
>> pissed right now
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Ty Featherling via Af 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> CentOS on some, Ubuntu on others. Already got the answers in this thread
>>> though, thanks.
>>>
>>> -Ty
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Mike Hammett via Af 
>>> wrote:
>>>
  Which distribution?



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 --
 *From: *"Ty Featherling via Af" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:42:31 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables
 code injection attack

 Noob question but how can I easiest update my linux boxes to get the
 latest patches?

 -Ty

 On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
 wrote:

>  Upgraded our systems at 6am yesterday for this. Also pulled the bash
> .deb out of debian-stable/security for our ubiquiti edgerouters. (I
> made on a post on the UBNT forum with the CVE info yesterday.)
>
> Side note: TONS of things are affected by this...
>
> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>  On 09/25/2014 10:25 AM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:
>
> PS.. This vulnerability can be exploited via HTTP/Apache attack vectors, 
> so you need to patch any vulnerable system running Apache.
>
> Peter Kranz
> Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltdwww.UnwiredLtd.com
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pkranz=unwiredltd@afmug.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Matt via Af
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:27 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code 
> injection attack
>
> Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack
> https://securityblog.redhat.com/2014/09/24/bash-specially-crafted-environment-variables-code-injection-attack/
>
>
>


>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
>> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
>> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
>> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines

[Jeremy via Af]

I install every VoIP customer for no additional charge.  I know the port
date before it happens so I always schedule the install for that day, and
let them know when we begin the process that they may be without for a few
hours on the day that the porting completes.  Most VoIP installs are
simple, like two minutes.  Occasionally we run into the nightmare
installs.  I ask them and if they just use one expandable cordless set I
don't touch the wiring.  Otherwise we do the whole home install.  I'd say
the majority are whole home installs.  We try to make sure that we bring
the wire into the hub whenever possible, or near a phone jack.  That way if
they decide that they want VoIP down the road it is an easy install.  I
always consider the potential VoIP install when doing the wireless install.

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af  wrote:

> I will only rely on the customer to install the ATA if they are going to
> plug a cordless base into it, no house wiring.  Otherwise, they will forget
> to disconnect the POTS line at the NID.
>
> Most people have a cordless phone system, but they may also have an old
> princess phone somewhere in the house, first try to convince them to ditch
> the corded phones and not use the house wiring.  Failing that, have your
> installer tell them the router and ATA have to go near a phone jack.
>
> If they insist on putting the ATA in a room with no phone jack and still
> using the house wiring to reach corded phones, the professional way is
> probably to install a surface mount jack and wire it like a phone guy
> would, and charge them labor & materials.
>
> If they have an old 900/2.4/5.8 cordless phone, you probably want them to
> replace it with a new DECT system anyway, you can get systems with a whole
> bunch of cordless handsets for not much money.
>
> Perhaps people can be convinced by comparing to WiFi.  It used to be
> people would run Ethernet to every room to plug in their computers, no one
> does this anymore, they want all their devices to be portable and use
> WiFi.  Same with phones, if you pick up the phone, you want to be able to
> move to another room or even outside and take the phone with you.
>
> If they really cannot go cordless or have the Internet installed to a room
> with a phone jack, then charge them for installing a phone jack.  It does
> mean a few more parts an installer needs to carry.  If you don't want to
> carry RJ11 keystone jacks and surface mount boxes, there are cheap boxes
> with screw terminals or I like the ones with 110 punchdown terminals.  And
> you definitely need red and yellow Scotchloks, those are what kill me, no
> matter how many I buy, I can't find where I put them, so I end up buying
> more.  I must have thousands of Scothloks squirreled away by now, I think
> they go to the land of missing socks.
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke via Af
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:28 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines
>
>
> I'm interested in how people are doing physical Residential VoIP
> Installs.  Do you just provide the ATA and let the customer figure it
> out, or do you physically hook it into the house wiring for them?  We're
> doing more and more, and it seems like it takes almost as much time to
> do the Wireless install as it does to install the ATA.  By the time you
> track down the house wires, disconnect them from the PSTN, run a wire
> from the ATA to where you can tie into the house wiring (not always
> close by), and then wire the ATA in.  The one's we're converting all
> seem to have several corded phones they still want to use.
>
> Also, how do you cover the crossover time between installation and
> Number port.  Business customer are one thing, I have them setup the
> call forwarding feature at the ILEC, and forward calls to a temporary
> DID until the port happens.  But trying to get an older person to call
> the ILEC and understand what they need to ask for (and not get sucked
> into a new contract) is much more difficult.
>
> I'm not sure how Vonage does it, do they walk people through tracing
> down cables over the phone?  Or once the number port happens, they
> presume the ILEC port is dead, so then they just have the customer plug
> it in to any wall jack?
>
> Nate
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question

[Jeremy via Af]

You really prefer the CMM?  I use to have tons of issues with CMMs losing
sync, losing power, dying.  It seems to me like the sync injectors are a
fraction of the cost and are almost an 'install and forget it' type of
product.  They just keep on working.  I actually prefer the cheaper version
that Packetflux offers, having used both extensively.

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Adam Moffett via Af  wrote:

>
> .also the PMP100 SyncInjector from Packetflux ought to work with
> ePMP.  You might want the gigE version, but in the real world with a mix of
> subscribers at different MCS levels I'm not sure how likely you are to
> exceed 100x100.
>
> The CMM4 is a much more rugged beast.  It is expensive, but you are not
> likely to go back and wish you'd bought the cheap one.
>
> My plan is to hook up the internal GPS and have it available, but also to
> provide sync over power.  Once you are using GPS sync to re-use channels it
> becomes critical that it's always working, so better to have two timing
> sources available IMO.
>
>  They have built in GPS if youre on a budget, not sure why alot of people
> are so die hard against using it
>
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af  wrote:
>
>>  I’m looking at ePMP w/channel reuse from a cost-comparison standpoint.
>> Trying to figure out how much I need to spend on GPS synch for a 4 AP/ 2
>> channel cluster. Does it need to be a CMM4? I will want to be synching
>> multiple POPs…
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeremy Grip
>> North Branch Networks,LLC
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>  --
> All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the
> parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you
> can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not
> use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Standoff question, rule of thumb, etc.

[Jeremy via Af]

I do standoffs on all towers for a couple of reasons.  Mainly it is to keep
the tower clear for climbing.  We have also had towers where we started on
the tower itself and ran out of room and then had to build standoffs.  So
the other reason is for capacity.  You can fit big sectors on standoffs
better.  There is also the alignment and mounting issue.  Many of the
manufacturers clamps hit the cross bracing in the tower so you have to
mount them at a certain height or turn them to a certain angle because the
cross braces are in the way.  Two ten foot sticks of conduit and one ten
foot stick of unistrut with a couple strut straps and it solves all of
these problems.  Plus it looks really cool, like a cell tower.

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af  wrote:

>  Wait, you're NOT supposed to step on the top of the sectors and dishes?
> Well how do you know if the guy before you mounted things securely or not?
> !?
>
> Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
> SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com
>  On 09/25/2014 05:26 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote:
>
>  I thought the standoffs were so tower climbers could climb past your
> equipment without using them as footpegs.
>
>  *From:* Paul McCall via Af 
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 7:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Standoff question, rule of thumb, etc.
>
>
> Over the years we have employed different philosophies on mounting sectors
> to towers.  Our reference point was the Moto 100 series connectorized
> radios with sectors.  We started out with 18” standoffs on a Rohn 25G
> tower, because some “smart guy” suggested that was what we needed.  Another
> smart guy suggested 24”, so some of them were done like that.  Then,
> someone else suggested that we really didn’t need standoffs at all, that
> they could be mounted each on a leg of the tower and we would be fine.  (we
> always ran 3   120 sector/AP configuration per tower in 2.4 Ghz).  As far
> as difference that we could measure, we found no difference in AP to SM
> performance when we measured at any distance of connection.  Maybe we were
> missing something, but anyway, we settled on mounting them directly on the
> tower leg.
>
>
>
> Moving forward to today.  We have been installing the ePMP 2.4 series
> instead of 100 series 2.4s.The installation techs mounted them back to
> back, with North/South on one frequency (Front/Back Frequency Reuse
> configuration) and East/West on the other frequency.  One of the 4 sectors
> had to have a custom mounting bar made to replace the short stubby one that
> comes with the sector, thus allowing the 2 sectors (North and East at 90
> degree offset) to be put on one leg right near each other.  Again, this is
> Frequency Re-use a bit of a different scenario.
>
>
>
> Anyway, today in working with Cambium, they told us we need to have at
> least 3 ft of vertical separation between each radio on the same frequency,
> so North and East could be at one level (dif. Frequencies) and South and
> West would be vertically separated.  Alrighty then J …..  so we have 6
> towers to go move things around on.  We are going to some test tomorrow on
> the first tower to see exactly how much separation yields us how much F/B
> isolation.  Using ePMP eDetect feature, that should be pretty easy to
> see.
>
>
>
> OK….so here is where I want opinions.  Really I’d like “expert advice”,
> but I will settle for opinions J
>
>
>
> How far “should” these sectors be “stood off” from the tower, if at all?
> I am not expecting to be able to measure any difference with the F/B ratio
> data, so its back to this is “all theory”.Is the standoff question a
> front to back issue at all, or a “we want the metal” sector away from the
> metal tower a little bit?
>
>
>
> Paul
>
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>
> Paul McCall, Pres.
>
> PDMNet / Florida Broadband
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 office
>
> 772-473-0352 cell
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber for tower (revisited)

[Jeremy via Af]

Also, does anyone sell a similar fiber cable that also includes dc wires?

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Jeremy via Af  wrote:

> Ok, I see that the Superior Essex is available in 2 fiber up to 12 fiber.
> So I am guessing it would be best to just buy the two fiber and run one to
> each backhaul.  Thoughts?  Anyone else doing this?  I would guess that
> without gel would be preferred.  I do not miss the days of gravity bringing
> all the gel down into my rack.
>
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Jeremy via Af  wrote:
>
>> We are looking to run fiber for all of our licensed backhauls.  I have
>> seen Superior Essex armored fiber recommended before.  I had a couple of
>> questions.  Do you usually just use two of the 12 fibers and run one cable
>> to each backhaul?  Do they make a version with just two pair?  Is there a
>> way for me to run the 12 into a box and then splice it out and run 6
>> backhauls over it?  Would that be the recommended method?
>>
>> Then, on to terminationare most of you using the scoring tool and the
>> field-installable ends that you squeeze to crimp?  Are these recommended?
>> Where is the best place to purchase these ends and tools?  I have attached
>> Mike's video of this process (which makes it look very simple btw)
>>
>> http://youtu.be/rKWLCVgkNtM
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Installer attire

[Jeremy via Af]

Just look how presentable my number one employee looks with his Blue Spring
approved attire!

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:58 AM, Bill Prince via Af  wrote:

> Both are probably true.  Our marketing department has to approve all
> survey/install attire.  Survey attire is not the same as install attire,
> but I don't believe that a camo hoodie would be approved for either one.
>
> bp
>
>
> On 9/25/2014 8:39 AM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
>
>> I don't mind sweatshirts or jackets; It's autumn after all.  Am I crazy
>> to think that a camo hoodie is inappropriate? We're not hunting the
>> internet are we?
>> I'm trying to decide if my ire is justified or if I'm being some kind of
>> grumpy old fart.
>>
>>
>