Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations?
Was trying to have as little customization as I could get because it's going to a customer that paid $10k for a licensed link. Would a quick disconnect terminal pass code\insurance muster? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 9:22:12 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations? Why not just use the one from Baltic and crimp some quick disconnect terminals on the wires? Trango used to sell a desktop power supply like you describe, but they replaced it with this which is just an open frame power supply in a box: http://support.trangosys.com/entries/24647323-Datasheet-48-Volt-Wall-Mount-Power-Supply-PSUPPLY-WM-48-L- From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations? It seems like what I'm looking for doesn't exist. I'm looking for something that looks like a laptop power supply like this http://www.balticnetworks.com/tycon-power-48v-2-5a-120w-desktop-power-supply.html but with screw terminals for the DC. I'd have no problem chopping the end off of the above or using one of those open\DIN power supplies, but chopping off the AC cord at home or a tower site, but this is going at a customer's location. I had assumed the manufacturer was sending a power supply like what I wanted when I ordered, but that wasn't the case. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 2:43:33 PM Subject: [AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations? Looking for recommendations on a -48 vDC power supply. 1.5 amps. Not expected to have any other radios on site or would at least be independent. No batteries or anything. = During the final installation, protect the ODU by a magneto-thermal switch (not supplied with the equipment), whose characteristics must comply with the laws in force in one’s country. The typical magneto thermal switch has characteristics at least 48Vdc @1.5A with overcurrent relay class “C” or “K” tripping curve. = I'm finding things with long lead times, things at a much higher amperage capacity or things that will require wire nuts to complete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] List updates
Who doesn't work on Saturday and Sunday? Pfft - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Shayne Lebrun via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 9:27:45 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List updates Rule 1: Don’t change anything major on Friday, unless you like working Saturday. And Sunday. Rule 2: Don’t change anything major on Monday. It’s Monday. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Friday, January 2, 2015 9:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] List updates Guys, We had a glitch switching over to “normal headers” with Amazon. We are putting it back the way it was while we work through this with Amazon. We will provide updates as we work through it. Thank you for your patience Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
Sounds like a drive... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2015 10:37:08 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Salt Lake Film Society From: CBB - Jay Fullervia Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 10:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Which chain ? Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Date: Wed, Dec 31, 2014 11:03 PM $300/year for one or $500 for two. If I use the tickets once a week it saves plenty of money. Sometimes I see two a week. Free popcorn is included. From: Tushar Patel via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 9:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review I had always wondered about you going to movie almost every week. Now it make more sense. Tushar On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Wild Meh ++ OK, but I have a season pass at the theater. I would not recommend paying full fare.
[AFMUG] Building List
Any idea of how to generate a On-net/Line of Site building lists? I can filter a list of addresses by what's in my coverage, but getting a list of business addresses isn't like to be cheap. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
[AFMUG] SLAs\Escalation
What sort of SLAs do you have with your transport and transit providers? If you have SLAs with any of your customers, how did you come about them? Could you elaborate on any response\repair provisions? How are you guys handling escalation for critical infrastructure or SLA customers? Right now my phone is on vibrate and I check it when convenient. I can't be looking at my phone every time a sales guy calls or I get tagged in a picture on FaceBook. Checking on a regular basis, though, I do get back to those things. I'd like to find a way to be alerted via the most obnoxious method when critical infrastructure or SLA customers are down. Maybe there's an app I can use to override system volume settings to just be annoying when a certain number calls, text arrives, etc.? Thanks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air Gateways.
They'll say, We weren't aware anyone wanted that. That's what the vendors say when they don't want to actually tell us why they haven't done something. I haven't been too excited about multi-SSID in the macro network, but auto-associated and provisioned CPE would be nice. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:53:17 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air Gateways. Make that on all of the products. Two SSID’s on the AP - a ‘install’ SSID that the CPE can associate to by default, and a ‘sector’ SSID that we use to lock the CPE to the sector once it’s installed. What is so hard about this? Cisco Aironet AP's could do this 15 years ago. Mark On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:48 AM, joseph marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: +1 On Dec 30, 2014 11:29 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote As much as I’d like to stay with those devices, lack of a second SSID for guests for example, is becoming a problem. I had 3 people in the last 2 weeks ask for this feature and I don’t disagree with them. Come on guys, we’ve been asking for this for 5 years. It’s time. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane” /blockquote
[AFMUG] -48 vDC Power Supply Recommendations?
Looking for recommendations on a -48 vDC power supply. 1.5 amps. Not expected to have any other radios on site or would at least be independent. No batteries or anything. = During the final installation, protect the ODU by a magneto-thermal switch (not supplied with the equipment), whose characteristics must comply with the laws in force in one’s country. The typical magneto thermal switch has characteristics at least 48Vdc @1.5A with overcurrent relay class “C” or “K” tripping curve. = I'm finding things with long lead times, things at a much higher amperage capacity or things that will require wire nuts to complete. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air Gateways.
What kernel was Mikrotik using 10 years ago? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 3:12:00 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air Gateways. last I heard they needed to update the Kernal to get multi SSID's to work I think they did not in 5.6Beta but I'm sure they want to get 5.6 Final out fast as they can Multi SSID's i'm sure will get more antenntion after 5.6 final is out its on beta6 right now.. On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 10:42 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: UBNT amazes me with this, Im pretty sure the multi ESSID thread is the longest running active thread on their forum, yet they cant do it. Users have found ways to somewhat get it to happen, but not cleanly, but they dont have programmatic access to the device I know this is not a complicated thing, almost every single wireless product on the market these days supports it in some form or another. I could see hiding behind the well, it wont work with our proprietary wireless algorithm I can see that on the commercial side, but the home devices? I doubt anyone on this list is turning that on on airrouters or gateways for customers since most customers end devices arent ubiquiti products. I think they dont do it strictly out of spite now On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote They'll say, We weren't aware anyone wanted that. That's what the vendors say when they don't want to actually tell us why they haven't done something. I haven't been too excited about multi-SSID in the macro network, but auto-associated and provisioned CPE would be nice. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:53:17 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] It's time for a second SSID on the Air Routers and Air Gateways. Make that on all of the products. Two SSID’s on the AP - a ‘install’ SSID that the CPE can associate to by default, and a ‘sector’ SSID that we use to lock the CPE to the sector once it’s installed. What is so hard about this? Cisco Aironet AP's could do this 15 years ago. Mark blockquote On Dec 31, 2014, at 8:48 AM, joseph marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: +1 On Dec 30, 2014 11:29 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote As much as I’d like to stay with those devices, lack of a second SSID for guests for example, is becoming a problem. I had 3 people in the last 2 weeks ask for this feature and I don’t disagree with them. Come on guys, we’ve been asking for this for 5 years. It’s time. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane” /blockquote /blockquote -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon
Threading works fine in Zimbra too, though not seeing who is actually sending it has been annoying. Not a show stopper, though. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 11:43:49 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon Didn't know it was broken. Gmail works just fine. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:42 PM, David via Af af@afmug.com wrote: YEAAA a threading FIX On 12/30/2014 11:18 AM, Curtis Brotherton via Af wrote: blockquote Here comes the Amazon Verification Email � Click the link in the email, and that will verify your email address as valid with Amazon.� � I will be flipping the switch tomorrow that restores the headers to display the actual person and email address of the sender (which also fixes the threading)��� J � === Curtis Brotherton PDMNet (772) 564-6800 � From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Paul McCall via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 10:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Adjustments to the AFMUG lists / Amazon � Well�� � As you all probably are aware, PDMNet has been managing the AFMUG list for Chuck and we have been using Amazon to do it.� There were some bumps to get it off the ground as Amazon has VERY specific/strict methods that have to be adhered to in order to send email through their servers.� That has resulted in a few differences in the way the list emails look/act with certain clients, and MUCH debate has gone on about it on the list J �� � In early November, we used our test environment with Amazon to test how things would work if we went the �Amazon verified email� method, whereby each new subscriber to the list would first get prompted with an Amazon email verification request, and then the AFMUG verification email.� This method seems to work just fine (we actively used it like that internally for a week or so) and it handles all the backend �stuff� just like we want it to.)�� The email headers then work like they would in any other mail server. � We queried the AFMUG list and there was no resistance to us making the changes and adding Amazon verification, but we just got slammed with other projects and didn�t pull the trigger on the switchover.� Since November, all new subscribers to the list HAVE BEEN required to do the Amazon verification as part of the AFMUG signup. � We are now ready to pull the trigger on the changes to get everyone else Amazon verified so we can make the changes to the email headers, etc. � Here�s what will happen�. � All existing AFMUG subscribers that have not been Amazon verified (most of you) will get an email by the end of today from Amazon to verify your email address.� The verification emails are good for 24 hours only.� The email does NOT say anything about AFMUG unfortunately, and we can�t change it so just be looking for it, check SPAM folders, etc.� �Probably on Friday, we will turn on �normal headers�.�� If you have not been Amazon verified at that point, you will still get emails but if you send any emails to the list they will NOT go through. �We will monitor the changes closely� and make any adjustments that are needed along the way. � To recap, you will get an Amazon verification email shortly.� It�s important.� Follow the instructions please. � Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net � /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed?
The From was definitely broken. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 1:56:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed? Trick question, wasn't broken. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Paul McCall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Maybe J From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 3:13 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] is the list going to get fixed? a yes or a no -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] did the verification email go out?
I forwarded mine to the list and Chuck Hogg confirmed his subject line as well, so yes, they went out... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 6:21:50 PM Subject: [AFMUG] did the verification email go out? I haven’t seen it. Although, that in itself may be a clue… Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!
They're not perfect, but they're far from that bad. Ignoring the mechanics of the Force 100, 10 minutes to upgrade and configure? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:59:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! Amen brother, if I was on the roof for three hours with one of those radios I would be jumping off the roof myself. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Dec 29, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Ryan Goldberg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I was a relatively early adopter. Not believing my techs, I went to the field one day, to “show them what’s up” – no technology can do battle with me! After 3 hours I pitched that f*cker off the roof and issued a cease a desist. We’re sitting on 20ish units waiting for everyone else to burn the bugs out now. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! I can't take it anymore, I'm going back to UBNT for non-FSK/450 stuff. I can no longer deal with the slow and horrible EPMP interface. I thought it would get better as the firmware matured but its not getting any better, Just loaded the latest firmware 2.3.3 and its still slower than a turtle going in the wrong direction. For crying out loud the old Tranzeo interface is faster than this! Chrome, and IE 11 it doesn't matter it literally takes me 30 minutes to config one of these radios. By the time you upgrade the firmware and try to upload a template to one. (never does want to take a backup config is always erroring out) I can't afford to be sitting at the bench all day fiddling with these radios. You can't even type text in the fields that already have characters in them without getting some weird outcome. Everytime i go to deal with one of these radios i always end up with obscenities coming out of my mouth and I even have a hole punched in a wall in the shop cause i got so frustrated with one a few weeks back. Maybe Bitlomat will come out with third party firmware for these and save us all Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!
Use ArcMap. You'll have a new metric for non-responsive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 1:08:21 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! The interface is pretty clunky. It needs to be made more responsive. The alignment functionality is a an absolute joke. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: They're not perfect, but they're far from that bad. Ignoring the mechanics of the Force 100, 10 minutes to upgrade and configure? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:59:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! Amen brother, if I was on the roof for three hours with one of those radios I would be jumping off the roof myself. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Dec 29, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Ryan Goldberg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I was a relatively early adopter. Not believing my techs, I went to the field one day, to “show them what’s up” – no technology can do battle with me! After 3 hours I pitched that f*cker off the roof and issued a cease a desist. We’re sitting on 20ish units waiting for everyone else to burn the bugs out now. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! I can't take it anymore, I'm going back to UBNT for non-FSK/450 stuff. I can no longer deal with the slow and horrible EPMP interface. I thought it would get better as the firmware matured but its not getting any better, Just loaded the latest firmware 2.3.3 and its still slower than a turtle going in the wrong direction. For crying out loud the old Tranzeo interface is faster than this! Chrome, and IE 11 it doesn't matter it literally takes me 30 minutes to config one of these radios. By the time you upgrade the firmware and try to upload a template to one. (never does want to take a backup config is always erroring out) I can't afford to be sitting at the bench all day fiddling with these radios. You can't even type text in the fields that already have characters in them without getting some weird outcome. Everytime i go to deal with one of these radios i always end up with obscenities coming out of my mouth and I even have a hole punched in a wall in the shop cause i got so frustrated with one a few weeks back. Maybe Bitlomat will come out with third party firmware for these and save us all Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!
When did you last use it? I'm clicking around a backhaul I've got running 2.2 and it seems awfully responsive. Loading each screen is damn near instantaneous. It doesn't require the reboot that UBNT requires when changing anything not involving the radio. I'm not sure what everyone's beef is. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 1:11:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! Just because it's better than something worse doesn't justify leaving it as bad as it is. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Use ArcMap. You'll have a new metric for non-responsive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 1:08:21 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! The interface is pretty clunky. It needs to be made more responsive. The alignment functionality is a an absolute joke. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote They're not perfect, but they're far from that bad. Ignoring the mechanics of the Force 100, 10 minutes to upgrade and configure? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:59:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! Amen brother, if I was on the roof for three hours with one of those radios I would be jumping off the roof myself. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Dec 29, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Ryan Goldberg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I was a relatively early adopter. Not believing my techs, I went to the field one day, to “show them what’s up” – no technology can do battle with me! After 3 hours I pitched that f*cker off the roof and issued a cease a desist. We’re sitting on 20ish units waiting for everyone else to burn the bugs out now. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! I can't take it anymore, I'm going back to UBNT for non-FSK/450 stuff. I can no longer deal with the slow and horrible EPMP interface. I thought it would get better as the firmware matured but its not getting any better, Just loaded the latest firmware 2.3.3 and its still slower than a turtle going in the wrong direction. For crying out loud the old Tranzeo interface is faster than this! Chrome, and IE 11 it doesn't matter it literally takes me 30 minutes to config one of these radios. By the time you upgrade the firmware and try to upload a template to one. (never does want to take a backup config is always erroring out) I can't afford to be sitting at the bench all day fiddling with these radios. You can't even type text in the fields that already have characters in them without getting some weird outcome. Everytime i go to deal with one of these radios i always end up with obscenities coming out of my mouth and I even have a hole punched in a wall in the shop cause i got so frustrated with one a few weeks back. Maybe Bitlomat will come out with third party firmware for these and save us all Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!
Chrome Version 39.0.2171.95 m (64-bit) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 1:26:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! What browser do you use? From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! When did you last use it? I'm clicking around a backhaul I've got running 2.2 and it seems awfully responsive. Loading each screen is damn near instantaneous. It doesn't require the reboot that UBNT requires when changing anything not involving the radio. I'm not sure what everyone's beef is. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 1:11:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! Just because it's better than something worse doesn't justify leaving it as bad as it is. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Use ArcMap. You'll have a new metric for non-responsive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 1:08:21 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! The interface is pretty clunky. It needs to be made more responsive. The alignment functionality is a an absolute joke. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote They're not perfect, but they're far from that bad. Ignoring the mechanics of the Force 100, 10 minutes to upgrade and configure? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:59:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! Amen brother, if I was on the roof for three hours with one of those radios I would be jumping off the roof myself. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Dec 29, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Ryan Goldberg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I was a relatively early adopter. Not believing my techs, I went to the field one day, to “show them what’s up” – no technology can do battle with me! After 3 hours I pitched that f*cker off the roof and issued a cease a desist. We’re sitting on 20ish units waiting for everyone else to burn the bugs out now. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! I can't take it anymore, I'm going back to UBNT for non-FSK/450 stuff. I can no longer deal with the slow and horrible EPMP interface. I thought it would get better as the firmware matured but its not getting any better, Just loaded the latest firmware 2.3.3 and its still slower than a turtle going in the wrong direction. For crying out loud the old Tranzeo interface is faster than this! Chrome, and IE 11 it doesn't matter it literally takes me 30 minutes to config one of these radios. By the time you upgrade the firmware and try to upload a template to one. (never does want to take a backup config is always erroring out) I can't afford to be sitting at the bench all day fiddling with these radios. You can't even type text in the fields that already have characters in them without getting some weird outcome. Everytime i go to deal with one of these radios i always end up with obscenities coming out of my mouth and I even have a hole punched in a wall in the shop cause i got so frustrated with one a few weeks back. Maybe Bitlomat will come out with third party firmware for these and save us all Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity!
Six core, actually, but it's a 5 year old six core processor running on a system with 321 processes happening at the moment and 90% of my 16 GB of RAM filled. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 1:49:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! you must have a quad core processor, try it from a slower machine Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Dec 29, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: When did you last use it? I'm clicking around a backhaul I've got running 2.2 and it seems awfully responsive. Loading each screen is damn near instantaneous. It doesn't require the reboot that UBNT requires when changing anything not involving the radio. I'm not sure what everyone's beef is. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 1:11:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! Just because it's better than something worse doesn't justify leaving it as bad as it is. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Use ArcMap. You'll have a new metric for non-responsive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 1:08:21 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! The interface is pretty clunky. It needs to be made more responsive. The alignment functionality is a an absolute joke. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote They're not perfect, but they're far from that bad. Ignoring the mechanics of the Force 100, 10 minutes to upgrade and configure? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:59:18 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! Amen brother, if I was on the roof for three hours with one of those radios I would be jumping off the roof myself. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Dec 29, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Ryan Goldberg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I was a relatively early adopter. Not believing my techs, I went to the field one day, to “show them what’s up” – no technology can do battle with me! After 3 hours I pitched that f*cker off the roof and issued a cease a desist. We’re sitting on 20ish units waiting for everyone else to burn the bugs out now. From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser via Af Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 12:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP insanity! I can't take it anymore, I'm going back to UBNT for non-FSK/450 stuff. I can no longer deal with the slow and horrible EPMP interface. I thought it would get better as the firmware matured but its not getting any better, Just loaded the latest firmware 2.3.3 and its still slower than a turtle going in the wrong direction. For crying out loud the old Tranzeo interface is faster than this! Chrome, and IE 11 it doesn't matter it literally takes me 30 minutes to config one of these radios. By the time you upgrade the firmware and try to upload a template to one. (never does want to take a backup config is always erroring out) I can't afford to be sitting at the bench all day fiddling with these radios. You can't even type text in the fields that already have characters in them without getting some weird outcome. Everytime i go to deal with one of these radios i always end up with obscenities coming out of my mouth and I even have a hole punched in a wall in the shop cause i got so frustrated with one a few weeks back. Maybe Bitlomat will come out with third party firmware for these and save us all Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] WD Auction
They were bought out a while back. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 2:33:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WD Auction Maybe they just relocated a manufacturing facility? On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:31 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: WD went under? On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote There is probably a bunch of good stuff here: http://www.hgpauction.com/auctions/71349/former-assets-western-digital/?utm_source=Official+Auction+Former+Assets+of+Western+Digitalutm_campaign=DigitalWesternutm_medium=email -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] WD Auction
My bad. WD did the acquiring, not the selling. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com To: af af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 3:18:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WD Auction Western digital is still going strong. They even bought Hitachi a while back. Makes me wonder what the deal is with this auction. On Dec 29, 2014 2:09 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Where did you see that? I can't find anything on it, other than some April Fool's joke. On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Seagate, years ago Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 29, 2014 3:34 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote They were bought out a while back. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2014 2:33:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WD Auction Maybe they just relocated a manufacturing facility? On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:31 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote WD went under? On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote There is probably a bunch of good stuff here: http://www.hgpauction.com/auctions/71349/former-assets-western-digital/?utm_source=Official+Auction+Former+Assets+of+Western+Digitalutm_campaign=DigitalWesternutm_medium=email -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925 /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
*nods* I am a Mel Brooks fan. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 12:11:28 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Well, there are movies that satisfy those criteria but are also classics, like anything by Mel Brooks or Harold Ramis. I was reminded of Space Balls today by an article about 10 gigabit Internet that referenced Ludicrous Speed. They’ve Gone To Plaid! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk7VWcuVOf0 From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review sophomoric, moronic, and extremely poor, gross taste Those are usually the movies I prefer. That and stuff with boobs or things that blow up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:41:56 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Yea, it was sophomoric, moronic, and extremely poor, gross taste. I watched it out of pure patriotism. J Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:13 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Neither actor interest me. Actually none of the movie fare piques my interest all. We always go to movies on Christmas Day. Oh well. Enjoy the movie Jaime Solorza On Dec 25, 2014 9:03 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We are watching it now. Rory From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review The Interview. Exactly what you would expect from Rogan and Franco. Pineapple Express in North Korea. Instead of video killed the radio star I think it now is - streaming has killed the distribution company. Odd that my wife bought me a book for Christmas. Half way through it I watched the move on YouTube. The book is “Escape from Camp 14”. Biography of a kid that was born in a North Korean prison camp. He grew up and escaped. So far he is the only one they know about. I have read Victor Frankl, Anne Frank and others. Have seen “Night and Fog” multiple times. North Korea is worse in some ways.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
I usually set each sender that not a SPAMmer on a safe list that just displays them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 9:29:45 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin They're hosted on my server, not the various services. I'll look into a way to embed them in the e-mail. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 9:27:20 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin Mike, Can you ditch the hot linked images in your signature? The warning messages from the email client get to be a bit old. Facebook, Google, LinkedIn, and Twitter don't really need to know every time someone looks at one of your messages. Mark On 12/26/14 7:43 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: The NY Times piece I think hits the nail on the head... it's people clicking on things without reading what they're doing, then blaming somebody else for their actions. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 5:19:28 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin http://venturebeat.com/2014/06/14/linkedin-faces-lawsuit-for-emailing-user-contacts-without-permission/ http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/21/users-sue-linkedin-over-harvesting-of-e-mail-addresses/?_r=0 On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 4:51 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Agreed. It only messages or invites people that you authorize it to. Anyone that told you different is a liar. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 6:47:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin It only does that if you (at least in Apple IOS) if you tell it to. Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies , Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com On Dec 25, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I refuse to use LinkedIn since the news that it randomly steals your entire iOS / Android contact list and auto spams everyone. Such BS. On Dec 25, 2014 4:19 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I wish there was a way to un-endorse certain people... /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] I never check FB
Yeah, I'm never logged into FB. ;-)
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 3:22:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] I never check FB
I never log into FB either. I've never created an account; kind solves several
problems at one time.
Don't know what happened to Doug. Maybe that little scare he had a couple years
ago caused him to change religion
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com On 12/26/2014 12:46 PM,
Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
So, for some reason, I actually logged into FB today.
(Good thing I did as it reminded me my sister turns 60 on the first.)
And it also showed me that Doug Clark recently had a birthday.
I would say “Happy Birthday Doug” if he was still hanging around with the rest
of us.
So, then I got to thinking about good old Doug. Is he still doing his thang??
Went to his web site. Yep, looks like someone is still chugging along up there.
But what is this I see!!!
Unlimited usage for the same price??? Holy Crap!
Re: [AFMUG] OT? Work-as-life
Yeah, some people talk about going to the middle of nowhere and unplugging... It's not for everyone. I think people like that are lazy. Damn it, there's work to be done somewhere! :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 3:32:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT? Work-as-life Can you go on a vacation and Enjoy it? Or more specifically, go on a vacation and do nothing? I can handle sitting on a beach for all of about 15 minutes, then I'm ready to go do something, Anything. I think that lends itself to personality. In my case, it's 'I'm paying how much per day for this cruise/hotel? By Golly I'm going to get as much as I can out of it, I can sit around at home' On 12/26/2014 3:19 PM, Colin Stanners via Af wrote: Less than an hour ago I went on a rare FB visit and, seeing what others were doing, posted a thought: Today I will not be doing any work, paid or volunteer projects, other than house cleaning. I don't know this feeling. Now it seems that may have been a lie as I'm helping troubleshoot router issues a country away and sorting a big Monoprice order of A/V gear I received for a client. It seems a number of the more involved people on this list live in the same manner: their job/projects are their life... I have also lived and struggled with roommates who spent entire months doing nothing. Is that difference in people based more on personality or the environment? Does it get easier or more difficult as you get older? (from physical AF I noticed many here were in their 40s-50s)
Re: [AFMUG] My new gloves s
I didn't see the ellipses at first. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 2:56:58 PM Subject: [AFMUG] My new gloves s Warm and flexible..wife just bought them for me Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report
I asked about something similar a while back. Someone (maybe Mark in Florida) showed me pretty much exactly what I was looking for. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Wireless Admin via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 11:01:53 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report Can anyone suggest a system that would allow an ISP to provide a customer a detailed report on Internet usage. I’m talking about the ability to show a customer, on usage based billing, what caused the consumption. My thought would be to route the customers IP through a specialized process for a limited period of time so details could be collected. A sort of debug mode. Steve B
Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report
I don't care where it goes. I wanted to know what device was using it. Knowing that 15 megabit went to Bill's hosting company is fairly useless. Knowing that Junior's laptop is moving 15 megs, though, is very useful. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 4:44:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report Most every consumer router has the ability to turn on logging. It will only show them inbound and outbound IP addresses though. You have to cross reference the IP with Google to find out what it is. It definitely leaves something to be desired. On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I asked about something similar a while back. Someone (maybe Mark in Florida) showed me pretty much exactly what I was looking for. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Wireless Admin via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 11:01:53 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report Can anyone suggest a system that would allow an ISP to provide a customer a detailed report on Internet usage. I’m talking about the ability to show a customer, on usage based billing, what caused the consumption. My thought would be to route the customers IP through a specialized process for a limited period of time so details could be collected. A sort of debug mode. Steve B
Re: [AFMUG] Someone automated their Speed test
Dropping it is no fun. Low and varying limits would be. If you can script to route them in a circle, that'd be fun too. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Kade Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 4:52:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Someone automated their Speed test Dropping all their traffic sounds like a more fun solution. On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Waste of your time IMO. Not very fun. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I guess what I should do is set them up so that their IP Address is queued to a random speed each time they pull the files. Or would that be rude? On 12/26/2014 4:28 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: blockquote It's good to know there are still rude people out there. I was beginning to worry. Thanks for the heads up! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 5:27 PM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Been trying to track down a 20 second 400mb spike in outbound traffic that has been happening every 10 minutes all day. Finally tracked it down to my Speedtest.net server. Someone automated pulling the test files via HTTP. It shows up in my server logs, but not in the speedtest.net reports. They simultaneously pull 8 copies of all 10 test .jpg files. I've blocked their IP Address, automating it like that just seems a little rude. Just wanted to give anyone else running a speedtest.net server a heads up. Nate /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report
I ran NTOP before, but wasn't really happy with it. Maybe NTOP-NG matured after I left it. That said, I've looked at several others in the open source world and wasn't really happy with any of them either. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 6:10:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report Ntop is free. On Dec 26, 2014 6:50 PM, Wireless Admin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Is there a low end unit that can do this? Any Idea what price range? Steve B From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of That One Guy via Af Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 12:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report A Fortigate will do that. you can even cobble it down to showing what user is logged in and what theyre doing On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: You could put in one of the Mikrotik routers that have the LCD and lock it to displaying the WAN side bandwidth graph. It won’t tell them what is using all the bandwidth, but they can certainly go around shutting stuff off to see what is causing the usage. Like oh, it went down when I shut off the satellite TV receiver, I didn’t know that used the Internet. Or look, it goes up whenever my daughter uses Facetime, that uses the Internet? Or we all clicked to upgrade our iOS versions and the graph has been pegged for the last day, meanwhile my Xbox games are lagging. From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 11:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer - Detailed Usage Report Powercode does bits down to the minute. If you want more detailed you'll probably need ntop or Procera. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy , OH 45373 On Dec 26, 2014 12:01 PM, Wireless Admin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Can anyone suggest a system that would allow an ISP to provide a customer a detailed report on Internet usage. I’m talking about the ability to show a customer, on usage based billing, what caused the consumption. My thought would be to route the customers IP through a specialized process for a limited period of time so details could be collected. A sort of debug mode. Steve B -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/products/features/snipping-tool - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: joseph marsh via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 2:24:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik On Dec 26, 2014 2:12 PM, Colin Stanners via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Screen shot? On Dec 26, 2014 2:11 PM, joseph marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Ip-routes says everything is reachable On Dec 26, 2014 2:05 PM, Colin Stanners via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Need to go to ip routes and add a default one using your default gateway. On Dec 26, 2014 1:59 PM, joseph marsh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I have a Mikrotik on charter network and I have typed in the static ip gateway and DNS. When I go to new terminal and ping. Google DNS. I get no route to host What am I missing. I know. Its something small and simple /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Tower camera recommendations
I've heard a lot of good about the new UniFi cameras, though I haven't used one
myself.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 8:14:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower camera recommendations
Define “useful”. This is not a security application so we don’t need to be able
to read license plates. Don’t you guys ever have customers ask you what the
view looks like from up there? My response is usually ‘why don’t you climb with
me and take a look’. I was thinking a camera would give them the “gee that is
neat” view and the occasional check of the weather. The problem is that I don’t
know what the image would look like with a $250 camera vs a $1500 camera. Or is
more $$ required? Just wondering what others have done.
EverFocus has a 2 MP 20x optical zoom H.264 speed dome camera EPN4220 for
~$1,550. Wondering what that would look like.
Oh. Its 24VAC. Yuk. Are all these type cameras going to be AC? 30W and 10/100.
So I guess I could do a passive POE with custom injectors at each end. Not
horrible.
PC
Blaze Broadband
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 8:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower camera recommendations
Seriously?� That would require a serious zoom/telephoto lens to get you any
kind of decent resolution. I don't know anything off the top of my head that
would be useful at a half mile.
-- bp part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/26/2014 3:18 PM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote:
I�m thinking 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile would be fine.� Forget the IR thing.�
Not needed.� Good day time image is what people will want to look at I think.
�
�
�
From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 5:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tower camera recommendations
�
What kind of distance are you talking about?� Critical issue if you wanted
IR, because there are serious limitations on how far you will get decent video
with IR (no greater than 100', and that might be a stretch).� But the
distance would dictate what kind of magnification/lenses are required.
-- bp part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com �
On 12/26/2014 2:36 PM, Paul Conlin via Af wrote:
blockquote
This question comes up on the list periodically but I haven�t seen if for a
while.� A 400 ft tower owner wants a camera to look down on his commercial
business park.� We might install and provide local bandwidth for free if they
buy the camera.� A little good will between us, them, and the community.
�So knowing this is not a money maker for anyone, how much money are we
talking to get something that doesn�t suck?
�
It would have to be PTZ and decent resolution.� Good low light would be nice
but no IR illuminators needed, obviously.� I assume a small heater is
required to avoid condensation but I don�t know that.� Are these available
POE?
�
PC
Blaze Broadband
�
�
/blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
For sure on Android. I never assume iOS can do anything you'd ever want to do, so I haven't tried. It can't even do e-mail attachments. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:27:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Can you go to the manufacturer download site, save the file to the phone, then go to the firmware update page in the router GUI, and browse to the file you saved earlier, just like on a PC? From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Phone can just use the web interface like a PC would. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: My current problem is I scanned my network and found about 45 customers with UPnP open to the Internet, I think they are mostly DLinks with some older Linksys thrown in. I sent a little note to each of them recommending they update the firmware and/or disable UPnP, then run the Rapid7 “Scan My Router Now” test. There is even a DLink video telling you how to update your firmware: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHnacMKb2ro I would venture a guess 99% of customers have never updated their router firmware. This is something IMHO they need to know how to do or pay someone to do, like changing the oil in your car. I think the only way Windows Update ever gets run is because the computer came with it configured for automatic updates. What’s scary is the trend toward people having only phones, tablets, game consoles, TVs, Rokus, etc. on their WiFi, no actual computers and certainly nothing with an Ethernet cable. How do you update the firmware on your router from a phone, if they want you to download the firmware to your computer and then upload it to the router? At least Netgear gives you buttons when you log into the router GUI to check for new firmware and to do the upgrade, without having to first store it on your computer. And as dependent as these remote support companies are on remote control software like Teamviewer and GoToSupport, how do they handle the customer with no computers? Do they remote into a phone or tablet? Even if that is possible, it’s got to be really clumsy to reprogram someone’s WiFi using a remote session to a WiFi device. From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 9:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support thats why i love reverse DHCP based on MAC. Tell us you have a new router, check the bridge table on the SM and update the mac. Additionally, a lot of people NAT the sms. Early days we had trouble with that and i've just never liked it... blockquote - Original Message - From: Philip Rankin via Af To: af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support The first thing the manufacturer does is tell the customer to hard reset their router. If you use pppoe like we do, then someone has to re-setup the pppoe information. You are FAR better off to simply handle your customer computer problems yourself and charge a lot for the work! IMHO! On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote That doesn't quite look like the answer. Maybe one approach is to push these people to call the manufacturer. I see that Linksys, Netgear, Belkin, DLink all have paid support after 30 days. Dell has paid support. Apple has Applecare. HP has SmartFriend which seems to cover a wide variety of problems and non HP computers, maybe that's where I should send them: https://h30617.www3.hp.com/HP/ subscription-services/index. asp -Original Message- From: Tyler Treat via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Is securitycoverage.com still relevant? DTNSpeednet used to push it. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ blockquote On Dec 24, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Is there a service out there? For stuff that's clearly not our problem? I'm trying to take a firmer stance about not spending an hour on the phone walking someone through fixing their computer or router, because they are too lazy to Google it or use the manufacturer's website, or haven't a clue when it comes to computers. I give them the number for a computer shop, but often they say I can't pay $100 to have someone fix my computer or router or printer or smart TV. My business is at the size where
Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
Okay, then it doesn't make it intuitive to do attachments. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:38:22 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Attached and sent from my iPhone ;-) Merry Christmas -sean On Thursday, December 25, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: For sure on Android. I never assume iOS can do anything you'd ever want to do, so I haven't tried. It can't even do e-mail attachments. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:27:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Can you go to the manufacturer download site, save the file to the phone, then go to the firmware update page in the router GUI, and browse to the file you saved earlier, just like on a PC? From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Phone can just use the web interface like a PC would. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote My current problem is I scanned my network and found about 45 customers with UPnP open to the Internet, I think they are mostly DLinks with some older Linksys thrown in. I sent a little note to each of them recommending they update the firmware and/or disable UPnP, then run the Rapid7 “Scan My Router Now” test. There is even a DLink video telling you how to update your firmware: How to upgrade the firmware on your router I would venture a guess 99% of customers have never updated their router firmware. This is something IMHO they need to know how to do or pay someone to do, like changing the oil in your car. I think the only way Windows Update ever gets run is because the computer came with it configured for automatic updates. What’s scary is the trend toward people having only phones, tablets, game consoles, TVs, Rokus, etc. on their WiFi, no actual computers and certainly nothing with an Ethernet cable. How do you update the firmware on your router from a phone, if they want you to download the firmware to your computer and then upload it to the router? At least Netgear gives you buttons when you log into the router GUI to check for new firmware and to do the upgrade, without having to first store it on your computer. And as dependent as these remote support companies are on remote control software like Teamviewer and GoToSupport, how do they handle the customer with no computers? Do they remote into a phone or tablet? Even if that is possible, it’s got to be really clumsy to reprogram someone’s WiFi using a remote session to a WiFi device. From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 9:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support thats why i love reverse DHCP based on MAC. Tell us you have a new router, check the bridge table on the SM and update the mac. Additionally, a lot of people NAT the sms. Early days we had trouble with that and i've just never liked it... blockquote - Original Message - From: Philip Rankin via Af To: af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support The first thing the manufacturer does is tell the customer to hard reset their router. If you use pppoe like we do, then someone has to re-setup the pppoe information. You are FAR better off to simply handle your customer computer problems yourself and charge a lot for the work! IMHO! On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote That doesn't quite look like the answer. Maybe one approach is to push these people to call the manufacturer. I see that Linksys, Netgear, Belkin, DLink all have paid support after 30 days. Dell has paid support. Apple has Applecare. HP has SmartFriend which seems to cover a wide variety of problems and non HP computers, maybe that's where I should send them: https://h30617.www3.hp.com/HP/ subscription-services/index. asp -Original Message- From: Tyler Treat via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 1:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Is securitycoverage.com still relevant? DTNSpeednet used to push it. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ blockquote On Dec 24, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Is there a service out there? For stuff that's
Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
I don't endorse anyone as I put zero stock in them. When I have people that I only loosely know endorsing me for things that I don't know... they're meaningless. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:18:44 AM Subject: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin I wish there was a way to un-endorse certain people...
Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin
Rory knows about that? ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 11:03:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin Seriously, Linked in sends me these random “Endorse Rory Conaway for his knowledge of the mating habits of the North American Fruitfly”. I want two additional buttons: “How the hell should I know ?” -and- “Pretty sure he is an idiot when it comes to that subject” If you could give a thumbs down the overall endorsements might actually have some weight whereas now they are more of a polite social ping job. From: Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin Someone pee in your EggNog Chuck? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Linkedin I wish there was a way to un-endorse certain people...
Re: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down?
or the North Koreans. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 1:44:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down? ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/services/technet/windows/msdos/RESKIT/SUPPDISK/NIBBLES.BAS From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 1:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down? I can't play a single player game... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Yep my brother can't play his new game Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Well, at least they took down both, so as to not give an unfair advantage to one. :P From: Af [ af-boun...@afmug.com ] on behalf of Ken Hohhof via Af [ af@afmug.com ] Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 12:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Playstation, Xbox Live networks reported down? https://gigaom.com/2014/12/25/scrooges-strike-xbox-live-playstation-network-hacked-outage/
Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review
sophomoric, moronic, and extremely poor, gross taste Those are usually the movies I prefer. That and stuff with boobs or things that blow up. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 10:41:56 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Yea, it was sophomoric, moronic, and extremely poor, gross taste. I watched it out of pure patriotism. J Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 9:13 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review Neither actor interest me. Actually none of the movie fare piques my interest all. We always go to movies on Christmas Day. Oh well. Enjoy the movie Jaime Solorza On Dec 25, 2014 9:03 PM, Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We are watching it now. Rory From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 8:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review The Interview. Exactly what you would expect from Rogan and Franco. Pineapple Express in North Korea. Instead of video killed the radio star I think it now is - streaming has killed the distribution company. Odd that my wife bought me a book for Christmas. Half way through it I watched the move on YouTube. The book is “Escape from Camp 14”. Biography of a kid that was born in a North Korean prison camp. He grew up and escaped. So far he is the only one they know about. I have read Victor Frankl, Anne Frank and others. Have seen “Night and Fog” multiple times. North Korea is worse in some ways.
Re: [AFMUG] Is this what a dDOS attack looks like?
TWSS.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 10:46:48 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Is this what a dDOS attack looks like?
Surprised it was that short...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 24, 2014 11:45 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af
af@afmug.com wrote:
Welcome to teh suck. And the target is almost always an Xbox kid.
On 12/24/2014 10:13 AM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
blockquote
One of our routers showed a massive increase in traffic last night around 19:15
Pacific time (see below). It didn't crash, but got super busy during that time,
and appeared to be locked up. Nothing shows in the logs, but a segment of our
network appeared to be unavailable for a few minutes. By the time I figured out
what was going on, the traffic went away.
--
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
/blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
https://play.google.com/store/movies/details/The_Interview?id=Ed2kSuKqfz0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed2kSuKqfz0 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:09:13 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... http://www.elnuevodia.com/puertoricoestrenaralapolemicapeliculatheinterview-1915932.html News in spanish, but local chain to screen the Movie… who gots the cojo… now?? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
They spin out more of the consumer electronics and home PC stuff to another company that charges a monthly fee for the service. Not sure if they'll do ICB. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 3:19:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support I wonder at what point does ServerPlus say we are not here to help you hook up your Samsung Smart TV to your Linksys router. Or we need to charge you for it. From: joseph marsh via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 2:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Server plus does to a extent. They will be doing my tech support On Dec 24, 2014 2:51 PM, Jay Weekley via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Maybe ServerPlus does that. Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: blockquote Is there a service out there? For stuff that's clearly not our problem? I'm trying to take a firmer stance about not spending an hour on the phone walking someone through fixing their computer or router, because they are too lazy to Google it or use the manufacturer's website, or haven't a clue when it comes to computers. I give them the number for a computer shop, but often they say I can't pay $100 to have someone fix my computer or router or printer or smart TV. My business is at the size where I'm not big enough to make computer repair a profit center, but if I keep doing this stuff for free, I'm going to have to hire someone to do it, and that's not a cost I can absorb. Is there a place maybe with call centers in India that will do this for less? I know the telcos offer this service for a monthly fee, and I assume they are outsourcing it. Note that I'm not talking about phone support for Internet problems. Oh, and kudos to Apple for fixing the NTP vulnerability without asking permission. I can't believe the media is portraying this in a negative light. I'm tired of people who don't keep their computers and routers and other devices updated. Do people drive their cars until the engine freezes up because they are too lazy or cheap or clueless to get the oil changed? I suppose some do. Maybe we need the government to come do all these things for us. /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support
Yeah, PC Care and Support. They seemed really slimy to everyone I know that talked to them, but JAB uses them. If Servers Plus declared it to be an issue with their equipment, they'd transfer over to PC Care and Support to close it out. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Joe Falaschi via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 3:31:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Is that other company http://pccaresupport.com ? I remember talking to someone from PC Care Support a few years ago at a WISPA show. We never signed with them. We use server plus for after hours and holidays and honestly do not know where they draw the line but I can obviously ask. I believe they make a best effort to help the customer. I do not know about them handing calls over to another company though. Do you pay more for that additional level of service? Nobody has tried to up sell me. Joe Falaschi e-vergent broadband On 12/24/14, 3:23 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: They spin out more of the consumer electronics and home PC stuff to another company that charges a monthly fee for the service. Not sure if they'll do ICB. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 3:19:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support I wonder at what point does ServerPlus say we are not here to help you hook up your Samsung Smart TV to your Linksys router. Or we need to charge you for it. From: joseph marsh via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2014 2:54 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cheap computer phone support Server plus does to a extent. They will be doing my tech support On Dec 24, 2014 2:51 PM, Jay Weekley via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Maybe ServerPlus does that. Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: blockquote Is there a service out there? For stuff that's clearly not our problem? I'm trying to take a firmer stance about not spending an hour on the phone walking someone through fixing their computer or router, because they are too lazy to Google it or use the manufacturer's website, or haven't a clue when it comes to computers. I give them the number for a computer shop, but often they say I can't pay $100 to have someone fix my computer or router or printer or smart TV. My business is at the size where I'm not big enough to make computer repair a profit center, but if I keep doing this stuff for free, I'm going to have to hire someone to do it, and that's not a cost I can absorb. Is there a place maybe with call centers in India that will do this for less? I know the telcos offer this service for a monthly fee, and I assume they are outsourcing it. Note that I'm not talking about phone support for Internet problems. Oh, and kudos to Apple for fixing the NTP vulnerability without asking permission. I can't believe the media is portraying this in a negative light. I'm tired of people who don't keep their computers and routers and other devices updated. Do people drive their cars until the engine freezes up because they are too lazy or cheap or clueless to get the oil changed? I suppose some do. Maybe we need the government to come do all these things for us. /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here...
Legit news source? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:09:13 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT: The Interview to be shown here... http://www.elnuevodia.com/puertoricoestrenaralapolemicapeliculatheinterview-1915932.html News in spanish, but local chain to screen the Movie… who gots the cojo… now?? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Titanium; Narrower Sectors and GPS
Garth does. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 7:26:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Titanium; Narrower Sectors and GPS I don't know anyone using GPS on ubnt On December 23, 2014 4:23:20 PM AKST, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Our region is pretty noisy and getting noisier. Currently we are using Ubnt Rocket 90deg sectors although I have considered these to really be more like 75 degrees due UBNT using -6dB as the rolloff point. We have seen a dramatic improvement with a Titanium sector and plan on replacing the other rockets with Titaniums and considering going to 60deg or maybe even 45 degree and using GPS sync to reuse channels. What if any have been your experiences with going to narrower sectors for a given area? I would expect to see ~3dB improvement in links just by reducing the antenna pattern, and ~3dB due to power density. Additional gains might be made from improved F/B rejection and improved shielding, possibly another ~3dB? This could mean anywhere from 6-9dB improveme nt on every link. What are your experiences with UBNT GPS? We would not use dynamic, but rather fixed downlink %. I know we will give up some B/W but better spectrum management might be worth the trade. The link improvements should push the radios into higher modulation further mitigating the loss by using GPS Thoughts? Comments? Jerry -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Titanium; Narrower Sectors and GPS
Not really worth it on the GPS. Increase shielding\smaller sectors or move to a synced solution. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 7:23:19 PM Subject: [AFMUG] UBNT Titanium; Narrower Sectors and GPS Our region is pretty noisy and getting noisier. Currently we are using Ubnt Rocket 90deg sectors although I have considered these to really be more like 75 degrees due UBNT using -6dB as the rolloff point. We have seen a dramatic improvement with a Titanium sector and plan on replacing the other rockets with Titaniums and considering going to 60deg or maybe even 45 degree and using GPS sync to reuse channels. What if any have been your experiences with going to narrower sectors for a given area? I would expect to see ~3dB improvement in links just by reducing the antenna pattern, and ~3dB due to power density. Additional gains might be made from improved F/B rejection and improved shielding, possibly another ~3dB? This could mean anywhere from 6-9dB improvement on every link. What are your experiences with UBNT GPS? We would not use dynamic, but rather fixed downlink %. I know we will give up some B/W but better spectrum management might be worth the trade. The link improvements should push the radios into higher modulation further mitigating the loss by using GPS Thoughts? Comments? Jerry
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Titanium; Narrower Sectors and GPS
Yes they do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 7:30:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Titanium; Narrower Sectors and GPS Ubnt flat out doesn't have GPS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 23, 2014 8:26 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don't know anyone using GPS on ubnt On December 23, 2014 4:23:20 PM AKST, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Our region is pretty noisy and getting noisier. Currently we are using Ubnt Rocket 90deg sectors although I have considered these to really be more like 75 degrees due UBNT using -6dB as the rolloff point. We have seen a dramatic improvement with a Titanium sector and plan on replacing the other rockets with Titaniums and considering going to 60deg or maybe even 45 degree and using GPS sync to reuse channels. What if any have been your experiences with going to narrower sectors for a given area? I would expect to see ~3dB improvement in links just by reducing the antenna pattern, and ~3dB due to power density. Additional gains might be made from improved F/B rejection and improved shielding, possibly another ~3dB? This could mean anywhere from 6-9dB improveme nt on every link. What are your experiences with UBNT GPS? We would not use dynamic, but rather fixed downlink %. I know we will give up some B/W but better spectrum management might be worth the trade. The link improvements should push the radios into higher modulation further mitigating the loss by using GPS Thoughts? Comments? Jerry -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Titanium; Narrower Sectors and GPS
Unless you reuse a frequency three times, yeah, it's probably not worth it. It cuts usable bandwidth in half right off the bat. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 7:56:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Titanium; Narrower Sectors and GPS But not that's actually useful... From: Af [af-boun...@afmug.com] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 7:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Titanium; Narrower Sectors and GPS Yes they do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 7:30:37 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Titanium; Narrower Sectors and GPS Ubnt flat out doesn't have GPS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 23, 2014 8:26 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I don't know anyone using GPS on ubnt On December 23, 2014 4:23:20 PM AKST, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Our region is pretty noisy and getting noisier. Currently we are using Ubnt Rocket 90deg sectors although I have considered these to really be more like 75 degrees due UBNT using -6dB as the rolloff point. We have seen a dramatic improvement with a Titanium sector and plan on replacing the other rockets with Titaniums and considering going to 60deg or maybe even 45 degree and using GPS sync to reuse channels. What if any have been your experiences with going to narrower sectors for a given area? I would expect to see ~3dB improvement in links just by reducing the antenna pattern, and ~3dB due to power density. Additional gains might be made from improved F/B rejection and improved shielding, possibly another ~3dB? This could mean anywhere from 6-9dB improveme nt on every link. What are your experiences with UBNT GPS? We would not use dynamic, but rather fixed downlink %. I know we will give up some B/W but better spectrum management might be worth the trade. The link improvements should push the radios into higher modulation further mitigating the loss by using GPS Thoughts? Comments? Jerry -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Titanium; Narrower Sectors and GPS
Garth does. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 7:26:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Titanium; Narrower Sectors and GPS I don't know anyone using GPS on ubnt On December 23, 2014 4:23:20 PM AKST, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Our region is pretty noisy and getting noisier. Currently we are using Ubnt Rocket 90deg sectors although I have considered these to really be more like 75 degrees due UBNT using -6dB as the rolloff point. We have seen a dramatic improvement with a Titanium sector and plan on replacing the other rockets with Titaniums and considering going to 60deg or maybe even 45 degree and using GPS sync to reuse channels. What if any have been your experiences with going to narrower sectors for a given area? I would expect to see ~3dB improvement in links just by reducing the antenna pattern, and ~3dB due to power density. Additional gains might be made from improved F/B rejection and improved shielding, possibly another ~3dB? This could mean anywhere from 6-9dB improveme nt on every link. What are your experiences with UBNT GPS? We would not use dynamic, but rather fixed downlink %. I know we will give up some B/W but better spectrum management might be worth the trade. The link improvements should push the radios into higher modulation further mitigating the loss by using GPS Thoughts? Comments? Jerry -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..
I would expect it to be seamless as the radio still has connectivity on one
channel during all of this.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 3:48:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..
I'm curious to see what the seamless channel change looks like in terms of
hiccup across each side of an OSPF /30 between a pair of routers... How many
milliseconds of weirdness, if you're logged into a router console on one end
and pinging the other?
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
Are there still NDAs or can you share you’re experience?
Esp. the advanced features like background channel scan with seamless channel
change and overall stability.
Does channel reuse work, how does it coexist with a ePMP on nearby channels …
Von: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway via Af
Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Dezember 2014 04:14
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..
Chuck is doing more long range testing and we are testing more for relaying,
higher density deployment for a different model.
Rory
From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B5/B5c shipping..
I had to look at their web site to remind me what's going on there.
They don't use 4 polarities, they use 2.� They're not running 4x4 MIMO,
they're running 2x2 MIMO X 2.� So they use two radios at each end, and two
separate channels. -- bp part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot}
com
On 12/19/2014 2:32 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:
blockquote
So anyone who did the beta on these want to do a writeup for the list?
Is the 4x4 all different circular polarization variants? Kinda looks like it
from the funny antenna elements.
�
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
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/blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Balting Networks selling AF5 for $850
The antennas are too small to be useful in most places. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Carl Peterson via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 9:49:02 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Balting Networks selling AF5 for $850 I get the feeling that AF5s aren't selling too well and there is a bunch of old inventory they are trying to move. AF24s are still selling well. On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Keefe John via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It'd be nice to see the AF24 @ $850 too. On 12/22/2014 8:38 AM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote: blockquote Well crap, that was not supposed to happen. Baltic is selling the AF5 for $850. Is this the new normal, not $995? 150 bucks off makes it somewhat more attractive versus some other options, if I can use it for short distance FDD-like links and keep it in 1024QAM mode. On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Spam:*********, Re: Epmp results
Colorful for Christmas time! ;-) Naw, just the first colorful tape and ties I saw on Google Shopping. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 9:56:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam:*, Re: Epmp results Oh Lord Mike. PLEASE tell me you don’t do that. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net ICI What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 10:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam:*, Re: Epmp results http://bit.ly/1wWgDhp http://bit.ly/1wWgHOj - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 9:52:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam:*, Re: Epmp results Yep. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 10:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam:*, Re: Epmp results For epmp + rocket dish? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 12/22/14, 10:59 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Gino, You got a good mounting design with weather protection I didn't see? If so, please share. That's the only reason. Wanted to do it several times. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 6:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Spam:*, Re: [AFMUG] Epmp results Why are you taking rockets down? Just swap the rocket radio with the epmp conn. RadioŠ the dish is already there and its aligned! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 12/22/14, 12:00 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It's cambium and works well. I understand a lot of guys are now going to it. Question though is the new AC gear worth waiting on at this point ?? My complaints are... Wish it had alignment tone. We are so use to our easy breezy alignment tool with FSK and OFDM. Going to the led lights was a step back I guess to help keep costs down. Who here has tried to align a KP REFLECTOR like that? That's dumb. Give me my headset back so I can listen to music. Some of the UI loads slow and is missing some nice features we see in the other cambium gear. Sync and throughput is good. Force 110 dish is small...wish it was bigger to add the db loss from taking Rockets down. Sorry I like carrier grade but without the price. So I am crying about it Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2014, at 10:36 PM, Craig House via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Just curious Who out there has had positive or negative results from EPMP. What are the pluses and minuses? I
Re: [AFMUG] OT - PCI-E enterprise SSDs
Dollar for life wise the cheaper ones may not make sense, but ZFS would help detect and mask failures. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 11:46:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - PCI-E enterprise SSDs I wouldn't trust the really cheap ones but some of the middle of the road SSDs have surprisingly huge write endurance: http://techreport.com/review/27436/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-two-freaking-petabytes On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What about arrays of lower cost consumer grade SSD's vs the more expensive enterprise drives or cards. The 'I' in RAID can stand for inexpensive. It can make sense to mirror two cheap drives on non-big data server applications. So the HD form factor for solid state storage is a good thing in this case. Two 60GB SATAIII drives for $45/ea is really cheap. $60 for 120GB. Wow. PC Blaze Broadband -Original Message- From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 11:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT - PCI-E enterprise SSDs So I've been impressed lately with the performance improvements to personal computers and I/O intensive servers like web and mail servers by replacing HDDs with SSDs. I'm convinced the emphasis on CPU and memory is often misplaced and the key is disk read/write performance. I think part of this is our use of computers has gone from computing oriented to data oriented. Big, big data. The one exception perhaps being games, but is that CPU intensive or GPU intensive? So I've noticed there are enterprise SSD cards that go in a PCI-E slot like Intel S3700, Huawei ES3000, Samsung SM1715. The performance numbers sound comparable to a very expensive RAID array of SAS drives. It does raise the question, why are we making SSDs look like HDDs including form factor and electrical interface, other than for the hot swap capability of SATA/SAS? Has anyone used these things? Are they automatically recognized by Windows and Linux as disk drives? Do you need to load special drives and jump through special hoops? Is there any point trying to do RAID with these, and can that even be done?
Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
Who puts phones in their pockets? Women put theirs in their purse or leave them in random places where they are not so you can't possibly reach them and men use cases\holsters that go on their belt. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:31:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF When I saw the 6+ at the Apple Store I thought it was way over sized...especially sinc e it wouldn't fit in pants pockets. On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Did you try and/or considered 6 plus? I am considering 6 plus, I don't need to carry iPad ( mainly for reading). Tushar On Dec 20, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Just upgraded to an iphone6 and I love it. It was a little big at first compared to my 5s but now I don't think I could go back. The only reason I say it's big is because sometimes it's hard to use one handed and stretch your thumb all the way to the top of the screen. Nothing else about the phone is big...it's actually very slim when in my pocket etc. We use ATT because they have the best coverage and speeds in NW CO. Sean On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Huge holiday discussion at my house. Two members of the family need new phones. I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever owned is an iPhone 4. Still have it. Charge it once a week. Fat, dumb and happy. Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone. I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends apps so we can spy on each other. One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one. That kid and my wife are shopping for phones and plans. Kid is OK with Apple products. His mother has anxiety about leaving Android. Kinda like I want her to vote Democrat or join PETA... (Which is totally weird as I associate Apple with Birkenstock wearing, Dreadlocks, Cigarette Smoking, BA degrees, Wine, Liberal, Democrat, Tree Hugger and folks that use crystals to align their chakras). We are all on a pay as you go “mobile value share” plan with ATT. No matter what we decide I get to pay. The new phones are pretty expensive. But they will amortize depending on the plan. Too lazy to even attempt to understand the plans from the different carriers, the different phones, etc etc. I have used less than 0.01 GB of data in the last month. Phone are for talking on. But I realize that my buggy whip factory stock is probably worthless too. So my opinion as to features is irrelevant as I still read books printed on plant matter. (I do like the built in camera and a solar panel orientation and location app) (And a hymn book...) But I would like to get a good value. I care more about price than features or OS. Not so the rest of the clan. (As in Scottish Clan, OK, not Klan). So if anyone can help me pick a direction It would be appreciated. /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
Maybe it's a regional thing? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Darin Steffl via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:30:44 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF Mike, The only guys I know that use belt clips to hold their phone are at wispa shows. In my everyday life, I know almost no one that have a phone in a holster or clip. Most everyone I know including many women put the phone in their front pocket as I do myself. Those who sit on their phone in their back pocket need some help. On Sunday, December 21, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: haha This is the type I usually use. http://www.seidioonline.com/lg-google-nexus-5-convert-value-pack-black-p/bd5-hkr4lgn5.htm - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:01:03 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF ...but check out the awesome belt clips that they are making for these newer generation phones! http://img.tvc-mall.com/uploads/details/MLC-N9005-07-6.jpg ...or you could always go the holster route... http://www.gizmocrazed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/163.jpg On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I'm not sure the phone placement would lessen the harassment. Most guys I know use a belt clip (even outside of the IT industry). *shrugs* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 8:01:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF I put mine in my pocket all the time. If I even thought about using the belt clip, the three women (wife and two teen daughters) would harass me mercilessly! Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies , Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com On Dec 21, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Who puts phones in their pockets? Women put theirs in their purse or leave them in random places where they are not so you can't possibly reach them and men use cases\holsters that go on their belt. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:31:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF When I saw the 6+ at the Apple Store I thought it was way over sized...especially sinc e it wouldn't fit in pants pockets. On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Did you try and/or considered 6 plus? I am considering 6 plus, I don't need to carry iPad ( mainly for reading). Tushar On Dec 20, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Just upgraded to an iphone6 and I love it. It was a little big at first compared to my 5s but now I don't think I could go back. The only reason I say it's big is because sometimes it's hard to use one handed and stretch your thumb all the way to the top of the screen. Nothing else about the phone is big...it's actually very slim when in my pocket etc. We use ATT because they have the best coverage and speeds in NW CO. Sean On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Huge holiday discussion at my house. Two members of the family need new phones. I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever owned is an iPhone 4. Still have it. Charge it once a week. Fat, dumb and happy. Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone. I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends apps so we can spy on each other. One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one. That kid and my wife are shopping for phones and plans. Kid is OK with Apple products. His mother has anxiety about leaving Android. Kinda like I want her to vote Democrat or join PETA... (Which is totally weird as I associate Apple with Birkenstock wearing, Dreadlocks, Cigarette Smoking, BA degrees, Wine, Liberal, Democrat, Tree Hugger and folks that use crystals to align their chakras). We are all on a pay as you go “mobile value share” plan with ATT. No matter what we decide I get to pay. The new phones are pretty expensive. But they will amortize depending on the plan. Too lazy to even attempt to understand the plans from the different carriers, the different phones, etc etc. I have used less than 0.01 GB of data in the last month. Phone are for talking on. But I realize that my buggy whip factory stock is probably worthless too. So my opinion as to features is irrelevant as I still read books printed on plant
Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
But I see it across professions and ages. Not universally so, but a lot of it. Of course you have your old\nerdy types that have it on their belt with a tightly tucked in shirt, but people are either only loosely tucking in their shirts or not even tucking them in at all. Phone clip on belt covered by shirt is the most common I see. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:35:17 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF I can't imagine not using a belt clip. How do you get your phone out of your front pocket when it is under your harness and you are on a tower? I take the belt clip and clip it onto the front of my harness so that it is still accessible. On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Maybe it's a regional thing? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Darin Steffl via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:30:44 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF Mike, The only guys I know that use belt clips to hold their phone are at wispa shows. In my everyday life, I know almost no one that have a phone in a holster or clip. Most everyone I know including many women put the phone in their front pocket as I do myself. Those who sit on their phone in their back pocket need some help. On Sunday, December 21, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote haha This is the type I usually use. http://www.seidioonline.com/lg-google-nexus-5-convert-value-pack-black-p/bd5-hkr4lgn5.htm - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:01:03 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF ...but check out the awesome belt clips that they are making for these newer generation phones! http://img.tvc-mall.com/uploads/details/MLC-N9005-07-6.jpg ...or you could always go the holster route... http://www.gizmocrazed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/163.jpg On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I'm not sure the phone placement would lessen the harassment. Most guys I know use a belt clip (even outside of the IT industry). *shrugs* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 8:01:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF I put mine in my pocket all the time. If I even thought about using the belt clip, the three women (wife and two teen daughters) would harass me mercilessly! Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies , Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com On Dec 21, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Who puts phones in their pockets? Women put theirs in their purse or leave them in random places where they are not so you can't possibly reach them and men use cases\holsters that go on their belt. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:31:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF When I saw the 6+ at the Apple Store I thought it was way over sized...especially sinc e it wouldn't fit in pants pockets. On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Did you try and/or considered 6 plus? I am considering 6 plus, I don't need to carry iPad ( mainly for reading). Tushar On Dec 20, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Just upgraded to an iphone6 and I love it. It was a little big at first compared to my 5s but now I don't think I could go back. The only reason I say it's big is because sometimes it's hard to use one handed and stretch your thumb all the way to the top of the screen. Nothing else about the phone is big...it's actually very slim when in my pocket etc. We use ATT because they have the best coverage and speeds in NW CO. Sean On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Huge holiday discussion at my house. Two members of the family need new phones. I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever owned is an iPhone 4. Still have it. Charge it once a week. Fat, dumb and happy. Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone. I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends apps so we can spy on each other. One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one. That kid and my wife are shopping
Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
After open carry is allowed, what device moves to the other side? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza via Af af@afmug.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:26:29 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF On belt is only way in Texas...just on other side of knife in pocket is kinda of sissified. Ducking under my coffee mug Jaime Solorza On Dec 21, 2014 7:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'm not sure the phone placement would lessen the harassment. Most guys I know use a belt clip (even outside of the IT industry). *shrugs* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 8:01:23 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF I put mine in my pocket all the time. If I even thought about using the belt clip, the three women (wife and two teen daughters) would harass me mercilessly! Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies , Inc. 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@converge-tech.com On Dec 21, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Who puts phones in their pockets? Women put theirs in their purse or leave them in random places where they are not so you can't possibly reach them and men use cases\holsters that go on their belt. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:31:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF When I saw the 6+ at the Apple Store I thought it was way over sized...especially sinc e it wouldn't fit in pants pockets. On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Tushar Patel via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Did you try and/or considered 6 plus? I am considering 6 plus, I don't need to carry iPad ( mainly for reading). Tushar On Dec 20, 2014, at 10:05 PM, Sean Heskett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Just upgraded to an iphone6 and I love it. It was a little big at first compared to my 5s but now I don't think I could go back. The only reason I say it's big is because sometimes it's hard to use one handed and stretch your thumb all the way to the top of the screen. Nothing else about the phone is big...it's actually very slim when in my pocket etc. We use ATT because they have the best coverage and speeds in NW CO. Sean On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Huge holiday discussion at my house. Two members of the family need new phones. I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever owned is an iPhone 4. Still have it. Charge it once a week. Fat, dumb and happy. Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone. I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends apps so we can spy on each other. One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one. That kid and my wife are shopping for phones and plans. Kid is OK with Apple products. His mother has anxiety about leaving Android. Kinda like I want her to vote Democrat or join PETA... (Which is totally weird as I associate Apple with Birkenstock wearing, Dreadlocks, Cigarette Smoking, BA degrees, Wine, Liberal, Democrat, Tree Hugger and folks that use crystals to align their chakras). We are all on a pay as you go “mobile value share” plan with ATT. No matter what we decide I get to pay. The new phones are pretty expensive. But they will amortize depending on the plan. Too lazy to even attempt to understand the plans from the different carriers, the different phones, etc etc. I have used less than 0.01 GB of data in the last month. Phone are for talking on. But I realize that my buggy whip factory stock is probably worthless too. So my opinion as to features is irrelevant as I still read books printed on plant matter. (I do like the built in camera and a solar panel orientation and location app) (And a hymn book...) But I would like to get a good value. I care more about price than features or OS. Not so the rest of the clan. (As in Scottish Clan, OK, not Klan). So if anyone can help me pick a direction It would be appreciated. /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
[AFMUG] ePMP SNMP Location
Does the ePMP not expose the SNMP Location that Mikrotik and Ubiquiti (and my Linux servers) do? It's not showing up in my monitoring program (Observium). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP SNMP Location
I saw the MIBs were available for download, but this program doesn't accept MIBs. It also wouldn't change that it doesn't appear the ePMP presents the SNMP location in a standard manner. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 7:00:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP SNMP Location There's a great SNMP website for all Cambium stuff. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 21, 2014 7:58 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Does the ePMP not expose the SNMP Location that Mikrotik and Ubiquiti (and my Linux servers) do? It's not showing up in my monitoring program (Observium). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth in San Jose Data Centers
Who from? You talk to a hosting company and you're looking at $0.30/meg or less for a top carrier mix. Peering? I'm not sure what CoreSite charges, but peering could be had similarly priced. Peering is cheaper on 10GigE levels. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:33:01 PM Subject: [AFMUG] bandwidth in San Jose Data Centers I haven’t started checking yet but just quickly, has anyone seen any prices there for 100Mb or 1Gbps? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth in San Jose Data Centers
Depending on scale, if you can afford a few cross connects and the exchange port, I'd almost recommend peering with HE (along with the others on the exchange) and saving your dollars to purchase something nicer. The exchange will take care of your Akamai, FaceBook, Google, NetFlix, Microsoft, HE, etc. HE and Cogent have big and growing networks, but they are also the easiest of the big operators to peer with. You'll get customer routes (which is growing), which may chop out a lot of your traffic. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ryan Goldberg via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:35:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth in San Jose Data Centers Good ole’ HE will have hard to beat pricing… 55 South Market Ryan From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] bandwidth in San Jose Data Centers I haven’t started checking yet but just quickly, has anyone seen any prices there for 100Mb or 1Gbps? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth in San Jose Data Centers
Check with John Brown at CityLink. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:55:56 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth in San Jose Data Centers Apparently it was San Jose, New Mexico, not San Jose. My bad. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 8:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth in San Jose Data Centers Depending on scale, if you can afford a few cross connects and the exchange port, I'd almost recommend peering with HE (along with the others on the exchange) and saving your dollars to purchase something nicer. The exchange will take care of your Akamai, FaceBook, Google, NetFlix, Microsoft, HE, etc. HE and Cogent have big and growing networks, but they are also the easiest of the big operators to peer with. You'll get customer routes (which is growing), which may chop out a lot of your traffic. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ryan Goldberg via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:35:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth in San Jose Data Centers Good ole’ HE will have hard to beat pricing… 55 South Market Ryan From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 9:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] bandwidth in San Jose Data Centers I haven’t started checking yet but just quickly, has anyone seen any prices there for 100Mb or 1Gbps? Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net “Mediocrity finds safety in standardization. -- Frederick Crane”
Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
I think I use 0.01 GB of data every time I blink. I don't know what phones ATT has now, but the Nexus line are generally pretty good. The Nexus 6 has good RF on Sprint anyway. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 1:16:38 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF Huge holiday discussion at my house. Two members of the family need new phones. I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever owned is an iPhone 4. Still have it. Charge it once a week. Fat, dumb and happy. Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone. I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends apps so we can spy on each other. One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one. That kid and my wife are shopping for phones and plans. Kid is OK with Apple products. His mother has anxiety about leaving Android. Kinda like I want her to vote Democrat or join PETA... (Which is totally weird as I associate Apple with Birkenstock wearing, Dreadlocks, Cigarette Smoking, BA degrees, Wine, Liberal, Democrat, Tree Hugger and folks that use crystals to align their chakras). We are all on a pay as you go “mobile value share” plan with ATT. No matter what we decide I get to pay. The new phones are pretty expensive. But they will amortize depending on the plan. Too lazy to even attempt to understand the plans from the different carriers, the different phones, etc etc. I have used less than 0.01 GB of data in the last month. Phone are for talking on. But I realize that my buggy whip factory stock is probably worthless too. So my opinion as to features is irrelevant as I still read books printed on plant matter. (I do like the built in camera and a solar panel orientation and location app) (And a hymn book...) But I would like to get a good value. I care more about price than features or OS. Not so the rest of the clan. (As in Scottish Clan, OK, not Klan). So if anyone can help me pick a direction It would be appreciated.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
Location, location, location. I know of massive sweeping areas where Verizon has absolutely zero coverage (no roaming either) or 100 kbps data speeds. I was an HTC fan, thought I was switching to Samsung, but that Nexus 6 is looking good... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 4:29:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF Verizon definitely has the best coverageand highest prices. I'll never use another carrier after having tried them all. I have an ongoing love affair with HTC Android phones. They are pure awesome. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We are a Samsung family here. I have a note 3 and deb has a S5. No problems at all. Definitely recommend either one. Can't speak for the lower end phones. On Dec 20, 2014 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Huge holiday discussion at my house. Two members of the family need new phones. I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever owned is an iPhone 4. Still have it. Charge it once a week. Fat, dumb and happy. Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone. I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends apps so we can spy on each other. One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one. That kid and my wife are shopping for phones and plans. Kid is OK with Apple products. His mother has anxiety about leaving Android. Kinda like I want her to vote Democrat or join PETA... (Which is totally weird as I associate Apple with Birkenstock wearing, Dreadlocks, Cigarette Smoking, BA degrees, Wine, Liberal, Democrat, Tree Hugger and folks that use crystals to align their chakras). We are all on a pay as you go “mobile value share” plan with ATT. No matter what we decide I get to pay. The new phones are pretty expensive. But they will amortize depending on the plan. Too lazy to even attempt to understand the plans from the different carriers, the different phones, etc etc. I have used less than 0.01 GB of data in the last month. Phone are for talking on. But I realize that my buggy whip factory stock is probably worthless too. So my opinion as to features is irrelevant as I still read books printed on plant matter. (I do like the built in camera and a solar panel orientation and location app) (And a hymn book...) But I would like to get a good value. I care more about price than features or OS. Not so the rest of the clan. (As in Scottish Clan, OK, not Klan). So if anyone can help me pick a direction It would be appreciated. /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
Hit up your particular carrier's enthusiast sites and see if anyone has combed through the FCC filings (to save yourself the time). S4GRU (for Sprint) goes through the big hitters and reports on what bands they can use (useful for roaming or accessing new networks), power levels, etc. The Nexus 6 on Sprint has great power across all bands you could want (Sprint's as well as the rural guys they're partnering with). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 5:00:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF I've got a Nexus 5 and like it quite a bit. I think I'll be upgrading to the Nexus 6 whenever I can get a hold of an unlocked one. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Location, location, location. I know of massive sweeping areas where Verizon has absolutely zero coverage (no roaming either) or 100 kbps data speeds. I was an HTC fan, thought I was switching to Samsung, but that Nexus 6 is looking good... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 4:29:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF Verizon definitely has the best coverageand highest prices. I'll never use another carrier after having tried them all. I have an ongoing love affair with HTC Android phones. They are pure awesome. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote We are a Samsung family here. I have a note 3 and deb has a S5. No problems at all. Definitely recommend either one. Can't speak for the lower end phones. On Dec 20, 2014 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Huge holiday discussion at my house. Two members of the family need new phones. I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever owned is an iPhone 4. Still have it. Charge it once a week. Fat, dumb and happy. Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone. I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends apps so we can spy on each other. One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one. That kid and my wife are shopping for phones and plans. Kid is OK with Apple products. His mother has anxiety about leaving Android. Kinda like I want her to vote Democrat or join PETA... (Which is totally weird as I associate Apple with Birkenstock wearing, Dreadlocks, Cigarette Smoking, BA degrees, Wine, Liberal, Democrat, Tree Hugger and folks that use crystals to align their chakras). We are all on a pay as you go “mobile value share” plan with ATT. No matter what we decide I get to pay. The new phones are pretty expensive. But they will amortize depending on the plan. Too lazy to even attempt to understand the plans from the different carriers, the different phones, etc etc. I have used less than 0.01 GB of data in the last month. Phone are for talking on. But I realize that my buggy whip factory stock is probably worthless too. So my opinion as to features is irrelevant as I still read books printed on plant matter. (I do like the built in camera and a solar panel orientation and location app) (And a hymn book...) But I would like to get a good value. I care more about price than features or OS. Not so the rest of the clan. (As in Scottish Clan, OK, not Klan). So if anyone can help me pick a direction It would be appreciated. /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF
Buy it from Google? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 6:47:13 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF I'm on ATT right now, and their version is the most locked down of all Nexus 6 variants. It wouldn't be too difficult to fix, mind you, but still something I'd rather not mess with if possible. On Saturday, December 20, 2014, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hit up your particular carrier's enthusiast sites and see if anyone has combed through the FCC filings (to save yourself the time). S4GRU (for Sprint) goes through the big hitters and reports on what bands they can use (useful for roaming or accessing new networks), power levels, etc. The Nexus 6 on Sprint has great power across all bands you could want (Sprint's as well as the rural guys they're partnering with). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 5:00:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF I've got a Nexus 5 and like it quite a bit. I think I'll be upgrading to the Nexus 6 whenever I can get a hold of an unlocked one. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Location, location, location. I know of massive sweeping areas where Verizon has absolutely zero coverage (no roaming either) or 100 kbps data speeds. I was an HTC fan, thought I was switching to Samsung, but that Nexus 6 is looking good... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 4:29:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Oh holy oracle of AF Verizon definitely has the best coverageand highest prices. I'll never use another carrier after having tried them all. I have an ongoing love affair with HTC Android phones. They are pure awesome. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote We are a Samsung family here. I have a note 3 and deb has a S5. No problems at all. Definitely recommend either one. Can't speak for the lower end phones. On Dec 20, 2014 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote Huge holiday discussion at my house. Two members of the family need new phones. I have never been a big Apple fan but the only smart phone I have ever owned is an iPhone 4. Still have it. Charge it once a week. Fat, dumb and happy. Wife uses a Samsung Galaxy Infuse and needs a new phone. I have some kids that have iPhones and we all like the find friends apps so we can spy on each other. One kid has lost his phone and needs a new one. That kid and my wife are shopping for phones and plans. Kid is OK with Apple products. His mother has anxiety about leaving Android. Kinda like I want her to vote Democrat or join PETA... (Which is totally weird as I associate Apple with Birkenstock wearing, Dreadlocks, Cigarette Smoking, BA degrees, Wine, Liberal, Democrat, Tree Hugger and folks that use crystals to align their chakras). We are all on a pay as you go “mobile value share” plan with ATT. No matter what we decide I get to pay. The new phones are pretty expensive. But they will amortize depending on the plan. Too lazy to even attempt to understand the plans from the different carriers, the different phones, etc etc. I have used less than 0.01 GB of data in the last month. Phone are for talking on. But I realize that my buggy whip factory stock is probably worthless too. So my opinion as to features is irrelevant as I still read books printed on plant matter. (I do like the built in camera and a solar panel orientation and location app) (And a hymn book...) But I would like to get a good value. I care more about price than features or OS. Not so the rest of the clan. (As in Scottish Clan, OK, not Klan). So if anyone can help me pick a direction It would be appreciated. /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] FS: Epmp 5 Ghz conn. STA - New / Good Price!
Can they be bought separately? I know they have a SKU for it, but maybe you can't actually buy them? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 10:18:36 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Epmp 5 Ghz conn. STA - New / Good Price! Just buy the force110 dishes and slap on the radio you already have... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 19, 2014 11:15 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Planned to use them with flat panels… then force110 came out… Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Friday, December 19, 2014 at 12:00 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FS: Epmp 5 Ghz conn. STA - New / Good Price! Ummm, curious care to share why you are getting rid of them? From: Gino Villarini via Af Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 7:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] FS: Epmp 5 Ghz conn. STA - New / Good Price! Hi, I have for sale 50 Epmp 5 Ghz connectorized STA – New I’ll prefer to sell in 10packs = $700 for the 10 packs Also would take an offer for the whole 50 pack Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Ken's DDoS for hire in action
Not for St. Chuck. ;-) Working with some of them in that area gives me intimate knowledge that they don't know what they're doing. Three days of no action to a fiber cut bringing a whole department down? Ignoring a new Dragonwave link being down for thus far 64 days. It was down for about that long earlier this summer too. I could go on... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Erich Kaiser via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 4:17:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ken's DDoS for hire in action Mike dont you do work for them?!? *ducking* On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Exactly $9k spent and they still didn't find it technically. I know people all throughout that area in local government and education. None of them have a clue as to what they're doing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Brian Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:54:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ken's DDoS for hire in action I read about this last night. They would have never been caught if they didn't brag about it. On 12/19/2014 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: blockquote http://bit.ly/1x5PJWu - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Big Boy provisioning
Right, but there's not people plugging their laptops in at the street to configure or troubleshoot DSLAMs or headends or is there? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:33:37 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Big Boy provisioning For DSL modem CPEs, TR-069 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: How do the big boys manage their gear? LTE base stations, DSLAMs, cable headends, etc.? Surely they don't all have web interfaces. I assume you plug them in, they pull some config from a central server, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Big Boy provisioning
Surely their devices don't work perfectly or someone preconfigures something wrong. Surely there are errors that need to be dealt with. Where I'm going with this is that DSL and cable use DOCSIS and TR-069. Those are out-of-band management and configuration systems. Why don't we have more of that? From there I just moved up the chain. How are the next layer of devices configured and managed? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:42:29 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Big Boy provisioning Configure it on the shop and sent it to some tech guy to plug it in? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 18, 2014 8:37 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Right, but there's not people plugging their laptops in at the street to configure or troubleshoot DSLAMs or headends or is there? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:33:37 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Big Boy provisioning For DSL modem CPEs, TR-069 On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote How do the big boys manage their gear? LTE base stations, DSLAMs, cable headends, etc.? Surely they don't all have web interfaces. I assume you plug them in, they pull some config from a central server, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
With Mikrotik you can mac-telnet or mac-winbox to anything on that layer 2
segment. That sounds more useful than this proxy.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Vlad Sedov via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
One thing that makes it so bullet-proof on Canopy, is the internal network
between the AP and the SMs (169.254.101.x) which is what makes the proxy so
smooth. With ePMP and UBNT, you're still at the mercy of having the right IP
address set in the SM before you can manage it (even when connecting from the
AP).
We sorely miss this feature in ePMP, and it makes NMS mapping a major
headache.. We don't pre-map SMs before they go out into the field, so with
ePMPs, I have to create a static ARP entry for the 192.168.0.2 address in the
closest Mikrotik router, and use the Tik proxy to get into the SM.. Change IP,
delete ARP, rinse, repeat.
Click-through is a cruel joke without the proxy. I really, really hope it gets
properly implemented.
Vlad
On 12/18/2014 7:18 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
How are you doing it with Ubnt? Can't the same be done with epmp?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 18, 2014 8:06 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
blockquote
For our install method proxy access (or some means of remote access to a
minimally configured CPE) is a must have. The installers do NOT have to get out
a computer or otherwise access the device. Power it up, point it at the tower,
listen for signal, call the office for a signal quality check and go.
Everything regarding CPE programming can be done remotely.
This can be done with Ubnt as well by SSH to the AP's and then to the CPE but
it's not as clean as Canopy.
No way at all that I know of with ePMP.
Mark
blockquote
On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Steve D via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Use it all the time. Between it and installer color code field techs can't
FUBAR an install. When our larger networks were vlan'd years ago that made the
process super safe.
One of the best features of the canopy platform in my book. It annoys me
working on 802.11 crap when I see a tech has typo'd something like an IP or
vlan.
On Dec 17, 2014 7:30 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
blockquote
Me too.
I don't know how many times I've used it, but it's more than I have finger to
count on.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com On 12/17/2014 7:08 PM,
George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote:
blockquote
No, rather just have it.
On 12/17/2014 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
blockquote
Rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17, 2014 9:55 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
blockquote
I used it a couple times on my Canopy gear, but it was never a show-stopper to
not have it.
This brings me to a new post...
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:30:14 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
OK Cambium ePMP dudes and chicks, I am disappointed. I thought you guys
had Canopy-like SM click-thru access, aka LUID proxy. But this is not
the case on 2.3.3. All you give me is a URL with the IP of the SM.
Informational helpful, yes, operationally helpful, no.
I'm guessing you need an RF private network like exists on Canopy to
make this work. Please do it.
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
As the Canopy proxy requires both the AP and the CPE being Canopy. MT supports
anything using MAC telnet on that layer 2 segment. That would be other APs or
CPE or routers or whatever else your box is configured as. Canopy is restricted
to that AP and its CPE.
I believe I've seen people dig up the Linux package MT uses for this feature
for including it in other people's products. Just add mac telnet to ePMP?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:08:45 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
Equally so IME but that's also depending on both sides being MT.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 18, 2014 11:03 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
With Mikrotik you can mac-telnet or mac-winbox to anything on that layer 2
segment. That sounds more useful than this proxy.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Vlad Sedov via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
One thing that makes it so bullet-proof on Canopy, is the internal network
between the AP and the SMs (169.254.101.x) which is what makes the proxy so
smooth. With ePMP and UBNT, you're still at the mercy of having the right IP
address set in the SM before you can manage it (even when connecting from the
AP).
We sorely miss this feature in ePMP, and it makes NMS mapping a major
headache.. We don't pre-map SMs before they go out into the field, so with
ePMPs, I have to create a static ARP entry for the 192.168.0.2 address in the
closest Mikrotik router, and use the Tik proxy to get into the SM.. Change IP,
delete ARP, rinse, repeat.
Click-through is a cruel joke without the proxy. I really, really hope it gets
properly implemented.
Vlad
On 12/18/2014 7:18 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
blockquote
How are you doing it with Ubnt? Can't the same be done with epmp?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 18, 2014 8:06 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
blockquote
For our install method proxy access (or some means of remote access to a
minimally configured CPE) is a must have. The installers do NOT have to get out
a computer or otherwise access the device. Power it up, point it at the tower,
listen for signal, call the office for a signal quality check and go.
Everything regarding CPE programming can be done remotely.
This can be done with Ubnt as well by SSH to the AP's and then to the CPE but
it's not as clean as Canopy.
No way at all that I know of with ePMP.
Mark
blockquote
On Dec 17, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Steve D via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Use it all the time. Between it and installer color code field techs can't
FUBAR an install. When our larger networks were vlan'd years ago that made the
process super safe.
One of the best features of the canopy platform in my book. It annoys me
working on 802.11 crap when I see a tech has typo'd something like an IP or
vlan.
On Dec 17, 2014 7:30 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
blockquote
Me too.
I don't know how many times I've used it, but it's more than I have finger to
count on.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com On 12/17/2014 7:08 PM,
George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af wrote:
blockquote
No, rather just have it.
On 12/17/2014 9:07 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
blockquote
Rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17, 2014 9:55 PM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
blockquote
I used it a couple times on my Canopy gear, but it was never a show-stopper to
not have it.
This brings me to a new post...
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:30:14 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
OK Cambium ePMP dudes and chicks, I am disappointed. I thought you guys
had Canopy-like SM click-thru access, aka LUID proxy. But this is not
the case on 2.3.3. All you give me is a URL with the IP of the SM.
Informational helpful, yes, operationally helpful, no.
I'm guessing you need an RF private network like exists on Canopy to
make this work. Please do it.
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
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Re: [AFMUG] Siklu EH-1200FX
Baltic carries them. I think Winncom carries them.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 12:42:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu EH-1200FX
Have never bought Siklu, so I (obviously) don't know who to talk to. Who should
I be talking to about this stuff?
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com On 12/18/2014 10:08 AM,
Peter Kranz via Af wrote:
As others said, pricing is way wrong on this quote.. it should be at least half
of this..
�
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
�
From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Siklu EH-1200FX
�
Not even close to an AF24 in terms of price.� Requested a quote for a 2 mile
link, and this is what I got.� Radios alone are double an AF24, there is
extra cost for the antennas, plus extra for speed keys, AES, blah blah blah.�
Bottom line is that you can install 4 AF24 links for one of these.
-- bp part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com �
On 12/16/2014 5:38 PM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote:
blockquote
Many of you deploying the Siklu EH-1200FX radios yet? Marketing material looks
good: 1 Gbps full duplex for around the price of an AF-24 link�
�
Peter Kranz
Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com
�
�
/blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
That doesn't even make sense.
Your NMS doesn't provide this functionality for you?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:43:41 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
Cuz I'd rather use an AR with a 30rd mag and not a single-shot .22 pistol. i.e.
speed.. click, click, done.
On 12/18/2014 7:11 PM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
Why do you need to access CPE that aren't directly accessible multiple times a
day?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 7:06:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
But I don’t think he’s talking how a skilled person could MacGyver it, but
rather a session list right there in the GUI with every subscriber listed by
name, and you click on the name and shazzam, you are logged into that SM.
Like one of many things that pisses me off about my $10K Purewave basestation
is you can see a list of CPE MAC addresses by subscriber name, but if you want
to see any stats or change the config for that subscriber, you have to find him
by his MAC address, not by name. The expensive piece of crap equipment has all
the information to make your life easy, but no, it acts like a glorified MIB
browser. They even rolled out an NMS that I assumed would add this level of
intelligence, but no.
So yes in a pinch you could probably get there through some MAC telnet tricks.
But with the AP proxy feature, it’s one click and boom. If you don’t find it
useful, fine. Most of us use it multiple times every day. It’s a cool feature.
From: Mathew Howard via Af
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
If there's a mac-telnet package out there for linux, you kind of have to wonder
why it isn't already in airOS... and ePMP, for that matter. it seems like it
would be pretty simple to add and incredibly useful.
From: Af [ af-boun...@afmug.com ] on behalf of Mike Hammett via Af [
af@afmug.com ]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
I never really had a need for it. I now no longer have any PMP devices on my
network.
Now that I deploy any new Mikrotik wireless either, but if you can get to any
Mikrotik device on that layer 2 segment, you can get to the rest. Router, AP,
CPE, doesn't matter.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Steve D via Af af@afmug.com
To: af af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 6:01:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
Mike,
You sound like you're trying to excuse it for not being there instead of just
embracing a good feature that works? Yes, there are ways around, BUT, the
Canopy AP-SM proxy *just works*. No thinking about how to get to that SM is
required, if you can get to the AP then you can get to the SM - end of story.
-Steve D
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
blockquote
Use the CLI to fix whatever's wrong with accessing the GUI?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 10:34:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
Possibly a little simpler with similar results. It gets you a CLI on the target
client. The proxy is nice because you can run the web gui.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com On 12/18/2014 8:03 AM,
Mike Hammett via Af wrote:
blockquote
With Mikrotik you can mac-telnet or mac-winbox to anything on that layer 2
segment. That sounds more useful than this proxy.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Vlad Sedov via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 9:11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
One thing that makes it so bullet-proof on Canopy, is the internal network
between the AP and the SMs (169.254.101.x) which is what makes the proxy so
smooth. With ePMP and UBNT, you're still at the mercy of having the right IP
address set in the SM before you can manage it (even when connecting from the
AP).
We sorely miss this feature in ePMP, and it makes NMS mapping a major
headache.. We don't pre-map SMs before they go out into the field, so with
ePMPs, I have to create a static ARP entry for the 192.168.0.2 address in the
closest Mikrotik router, and use the Tik proxy to get into the SM.. Change IP,
delete ARP, rinse, repeat.
Click-through is a cruel joke without the proxy. I really, really hope it gets
properly implemented.
Vlad
On 12/18/2014 7:18 AM, Josh
Re: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed
Seems like an awfully quick show. Are you bridging? *slap* Stop it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:25:22 -0600 (CST) Subject: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed http://www.ispradio.com/ http://www.ispradio.com/images/ispLogoWoodWhite.PNGCo-Host Dennis Burgess will be discussing bridging vs routing with host Steven Grabiel. Join us live and ask questions about “Bridging vs Routing” Wednesday 11am CST Don’t forgot you can download the previous episodes to put on your media player and listen while in your car free of charge by going to http://www.ispradio.com www.ispradio.com Remember to sign into the live chat to ask questions! You can find our Podcast on I-Tunes ! n UPCOMMING SHOWS! n December 24th – No Show –Happy Holidays n January 14th – Nathan Stooke from WISPERISP will be talking about “Over the Top TV” n January 21st – Anand Buch CEO of Netsapiens n January 28th – Patrick Leary with Telrad Dennis Burgess, Co-Host of ISP Radio! http://www.ispradio.com http://www.ispradio.com
Re: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed
The people traditionally running a bridged network are not the types that are understanding of any of the things you just mentioned. Not sure I'd accept VLANs as being sufficient, but the other stuff would be an upgrade. The overall industry? Which industry is this, Mark? The carriers with 10 GigE or 100 GigE between locations where extra traffic isn't even noticed or the WISP industry with 4 meg access points? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:55:55 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed MEF, PBB, PBB-TE, MPLS, VLAN, G.8032, ERPS, VLAN, etc. are all valid alternatives to a L3 routed network. All of these are tools in the toolbox. If you insist that the only proper tool is a hammer that's your choice - but I don't think the results are going to be all that pretty. Mark On 12/17/14, 10:49 AM, Josh Baird via Af wrote: I'm hoping that this show will actually discuss the advantages of a non-routed L2 bridged network using MPLS, VLANs or whatever. Josh On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote That statement is so completely wrong I'm not even sure where to start. Ah well... just keep going exactly the opposite direction of the overall industry. Good luck with that. Mark On 12/17/14, 10:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: blockquote Seems like an awfully quick show. Are you bridging? *slap* Stop it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:25:22 -0600 (CST) Subject: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed http://www.ispradio.com/ http://www.ispradio.com/images/ispLogoWoodWhite.PNGCo-Host Dennis Burgess will be discussing bridging vs routing with host Steven Grabiel. Join us live and ask questions about “Bridging vs Routing” Wednesday 11am CST Don’t forgot you can download the previous episodes to put on your media player and listen while in your car free of charge by going to http://www.ispradio.com www.ispradio.com Remember to sign into the live chat to ask questions! You can find our Podcast on I-Tunes ! n UPCOMMING SHOWS! n December 24th – No Show –Happy Holidays n January 14th – Nathan Stooke from WISPERISP will be talking about “Over the Top TV” n January 21st – Anand Buch CEO of Netsapiens n January 28th – Patrick Leary with Telrad Dennis Burgess, Co-Host of ISP Radio! http://www.ispradio.com http://www.ispradio.com -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021 /blockquote /blockquote -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed
I do run MPLS\VPLS. It requires a routed network underneath. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:55:55 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed MEF, PBB, PBB-TE, MPLS, VLAN, G.8032, ERPS, VLAN, etc. are all valid alternatives to a L3 routed network. All of these are tools in the toolbox. If you insist that the only proper tool is a hammer that's your choice - but I don't think the results are going to be all that pretty. Mark On 12/17/14, 10:49 AM, Josh Baird via Af wrote: I'm hoping that this show will actually discuss the advantages of a non-routed L2 bridged network using MPLS, VLANs or whatever. Josh On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote That statement is so completely wrong I'm not even sure where to start. Ah well... just keep going exactly the opposite direction of the overall industry. Good luck with that. Mark On 12/17/14, 10:33 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: blockquote Seems like an awfully quick show. Are you bridging? *slap* Stop it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:25:22 -0600 (CST) Subject: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed http://www.ispradio.com/ http://www.ispradio.com/images/ispLogoWoodWhite.PNGCo-Host Dennis Burgess will be discussing bridging vs routing with host Steven Grabiel. Join us live and ask questions about “Bridging vs Routing” Wednesday 11am CST Don’t forgot you can download the previous episodes to put on your media player and listen while in your car free of charge by going to http://www.ispradio.com www.ispradio.com Remember to sign into the live chat to ask questions! You can find our Podcast on I-Tunes ! n UPCOMMING SHOWS! n December 24th – No Show –Happy Holidays n January 14th – Nathan Stooke from WISPERISP will be talking about “Over the Top TV” n January 21st – Anand Buch CEO of Netsapiens n January 28th – Patrick Leary with Telrad Dennis Burgess, Co-Host of ISP Radio! http://www.ispradio.com http://www.ispradio.com -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021 /blockquote /blockquote -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] Goodbye....
:-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:15:00 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Goodbye Hell ya it is :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 11:11 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: FB is for girls... From: Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Goodbye Clearly you're on the wrong FB Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 17, 2014 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote No need to leave the list. Much more fun here than FB... From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 8:41 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Goodbye Hey folks…. I’ve really enjoyed this list for quite a long time … really helpful folks here. It’s time for me to make a career change (moving to a different company) and with this change I will have no involvement with wireless. Wish everyone the best and happy holidays! Paul Stewart /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed
Sooo... as I said, people with 10GigEs and 100GigEs going between single nodes... not dozens of people on 4 meg PMP100 APs where you're trying to scavenge every bit possible. Apples and oranges, Mark. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:16:08 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed This is where the majority of large carriers are going: http://metroethernetforum.org/carrier-ethernet/carrier-ethernet-services If you are buying (or selling) services to any of the larger carriers you are likely seeing MEF standards in use - Ethernet Virtual Connections, NNI and UNI interfaces. There are a lot of really nice features in MEF that allow you to sell protocol independent Ethernet across your network or across multiple networks. Something like a point to point where Time Warner is one end and your customer is on the other end. Or a PMP type of arrangement where 2 customers are on Comcast, 3 are on ATT, and 4 are your wireless customers. To the customer it just appears as if the 9 sites are connected via an Ethernet switch and you don't care in the least what addressing or protocols they run. If you are selling to any of the cell carriers they expect MEF services and specifically Y.1731 performance monitoring. This allows you and your customers to prove that you are actually providing the bandwidth, latency, jitter, and uptime. MEF adds a great deal of monitoring and troubleshooting capability to the network. It allows you to monitor end to end and within your own network in order to identify both to you and your partners where a problem exists and who is responsible for it. -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed
I'm currently MPLS, but there's no reason you can't do both. You L3 your broadband customers and you VPLS your dedicated\transport customers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:30:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed It all depends on your vision and long term strategy…. If you are only ogint to do Internet to residential… well L3 routed is the way to do it… but if you want to to be a player on business/wholesale/carrier market, you need to go Carrier Ethernet… Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 at 12:18 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- Bridged vs Routed In my experience MEF related products are very popular with oldschool PSTN operators and big cellular carrier, less so with ISPs that do 100% IP. You can sell an Ethernet tunnel over MPLS just as well. On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is where the majority of large carriers are going: http://metroethernetforum.org/ carrier-ethernet/carrier- ethernet-services If you are buying (or selling) services to any of the larger carriers you are likely seeing MEF standards in use - Ethernet Virtual Connections, NNI and UNI interfaces. There are a lot of really nice features in MEF that allow you to sell protocol independent Ethernet across your network or across multiple networks. Something like a point to point where Time Warner is one end and your customer is on the other end. Or a PMP type of arrangement where 2 customers are on Comcast, 3 are on ATT, and 4 are your wireless customers. To the customer it just appears as if the 9 sites are connected via an Ethernet switch and you don't care in the least what addressing or protocols they run. If you are selling to any of the cell carriers they expect MEF services and specifically Y.1731 performance monitoring. This allows you and your customers to prove that you are actually providing the bandwidth, latency, jitter, and uptime. MEF adds a great deal of monitoring and troubleshooting capability to the network. It allows you to monitor end to end and within your own network in order to identify both to you and your partners where a problem exists and who is responsible for it. -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives
3 gig total or 3 gig per box? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:30:38 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives WE do 1000 mailboxes 3 gig of storage, your own management interface to add, change etc, plus filtering for 79.99 a month. That would be .08 per mailbox.. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 10:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives Received the email from Virtacore that they now have a solution for us to migrate to. .50 a box seems a bit high doesn't it? What alternatives are out there for a reliable hosted solution? Here is the mail: Dear Valued Partner, Thank you for your continued business. As your trusted provider of Cloud services, we strive to bring you great solutions for the best value. Since Google has announced the end-of-life of their Google Apps for Service Provider hosted email platform that you purchased through Virtacore, we have worked to find an alternate best in class solution to meet your hosted email needs. We pride ourselves on your satisfaction with our service. To assist you with business continuity, we have chosen a product that provides your customers with the following: ● Reliable mail platform with mailboxes that have up to 7GB of storage ● Best in class spam solution ● Private email platform to ensure your ends users’ security ● Elegant webmail interface with modern design We are excited to introduce to you Virtacore’s new hosted email solution! Our new platform is architected using the industry-leading Zimbra email and collaboration platform, which will meet all of your needs today and continues to evolve to ensure that we meet all of your needs in the future. We hope that you are as excited as we are, and look forward to working with you and hosting your email on our new platform. As the Google platform will end-of-life in July of 2015, we would like to get started on getting you set up on the new platform right away. Our team is working on a transition schedule that will start in Q1 2015 and end in Q2 2015. In order to normalize pricing across the new enterprise platform, we are also introducing a $0.50/account/month (or $100/month minimum) service for our standard mail service delivery. Please contact me at svla...@virtacore.com by December 31, 2014 so we can provide all of the details around the new platform and get started. We understand that migrating email platforms is a big undertaking. We have been working hard to establish best practices and communication for the migration, including dedicated support websites and FAQs that we will provide to you. If you do find that you need additional project management and/or customer communication support, Virtacore has put together an affordable migration services package that you can take advantage of. This package will walk you through each step of the migration process. We sincerely appreciate your business and look forward to working together to bring your clients to our next generation hosted email solution. Regards, Sarah Vlasic ISP Email Migration Project Coordinator Virtacore Systems, Inc.
Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives
No clue. That's what I have. I need to upgrade to 8.5 and a newer version of CentOS. Running 7.2 on Cent 5. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Peter Kranz via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 2:18:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google Apps for ISPs EOL - Alternatives I don’t understand why you would not just install zimbra on a virtual machine and do it yourself. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack
Agreed. Buncha pussies and not the good kind. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:28:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Question on the Sony Hack On a side note, I can't believe movie theaters as well as Sony capitulated to these dumbasses in regards to The Interview. Isn't that tantamount to negotiating with a terrorist? On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I've only been following loosely with what I hear on the radio, but it sound like there was a lot of data stolen (multiple gig's from the sound of it). The Last update I heard was that the hack originated from a hotel Wifi connection in china somewhere. How were they able to transfer that much data in a short enough time that it wasn't discovered and stopped? Did the hotel have a blazing fast network? Something with getting that amount of data in such a short time dosen't seem to add up.
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy
I used it a couple times on my Canopy gear, but it was never a show-stopper to not have it. This brings me to a new post... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:30:14 PM Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP proxy OK Cambium ePMP dudes and chicks, I am disappointed. I thought you guys had Canopy-like SM click-thru access, aka LUID proxy. But this is not the case on 2.3.3. All you give me is a URL with the IP of the SM. Informational helpful, yes, operationally helpful, no. I'm guessing you need an RF private network like exists on Canopy to make this work. Please do it.
[AFMUG] Big Boy provisioning
How do the big boys manage their gear? LTE base stations, DSLAMs, cable headends, etc.? Surely they don't all have web interfaces. I assume you plug them in, they pull some config from a central server, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] CNS Server CentOS Install
I had something equally ridiculous before. I felt like a fool when Cambium support found it. I had turned off the firewall when I installed it, but the install had me reboot and IPTables turned back on. I've started putting forth the effort to figure out what holes need to be opened up on things instead of just turning it off. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Justin Marshall via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:56:46 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNS Server CentOS Install LOL Sure enough, didn’t think about CentOS, and default iptables. I’m more of a Gentoo guy… Did a #iptables –F and it came right up Thanks! Justin From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNS Server CentOS Install New CentOS server? $50 says it is a firewall. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 16, 2014 10:45 AM, Justin Marshall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The firewall is definitely open, same IP I’ve used for CNS server in the past. I disabled SELinux. With setenable 0, and disabled in the /etc/selinux/config file… But now that you mention it, I can’t telnet to anything except port 22, however netstat shows it listening on 80/443 Wondering why I can’t telnet to port 80….And I’m trying from another box from inside the same subnet, no Firewall involved. [root@cnss logs]# netstat -ano Active Internet connections (servers and established) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State Timer tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN off (0.00/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN off (0.00/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN off (0.00/0/0) tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:443 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN off (0.00/0/0) tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN off (0.00/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48692 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.13/0/0) tcp 0 0 10.192.172.113:22 10.192.172.114:53539 ESTABLISHED keepalive (3954.62/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48695 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.17/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48700 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.24/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48693 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.14/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48694 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.15/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48699 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.23/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48696 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.18/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48691 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.04/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48697 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.20/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48698 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.21/0/0) and when I manually try and restart Apache I get: [root@cnss logs]# /etc/init.d/lappstackApache restart [Tue Dec 16 05:34:01.272177 2014] [so:warn] [pid 7245] AH01574: module php5_module is already loaded, skipping [Tue Dec 16 05:34:01.284824 2014] [so:warn] [pid 7245] AH01574: module php5_module is already loaded, skipping [Tue Dec 16 05:34:01.284875 2014] [so:warn] [pid 7245] AH01574: module rewrite_module is already loaded, skipping AH00548: NameVirtualHost has no effect and will be removed in the next release /opt/cnsserver/stack/apache2/conf/httpd.conf:557 Syntax OK From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNS Server CentOS Install Also turn down Selinux Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 16, 2014 9:57 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did you open the firewall? Do a netstat to see if it is running and telnet to see if you can connect to the ports. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 16, 2014 9:52 AM, Justin Marshall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi, Trying to do an install of CNS Server on CentOS 6.6(x86_64). Accepted all the defaults as far as postgres username/port. When i try and login through http/https, no page loads. Doing a #ps -ax shows something up with postgres i believe. 2060 ? Ss 0:04 /opt/cnsserver/stack/apache2/bin/httpd -f /opt/cnsserver/stack/apache2/conf/httpd.conf 2061 ? S 0:00 /opt/cnsserver/stack/apache2/bin/httpd -f /opt/cnsserver/stack/apache2/conf/httpd.conf 2062 ? S 0:00 /opt/cnsserver/stack/apache2/bin/httpd -f /opt/cnsserver/stack/apache2/conf/httpd.conf 2063 ? S 0:00 /opt/cnsserver/stack/apache2/bin/httpd -f /opt/cnsserver/stack/apache2/conf/httpd.conf 2064 ? S 0:00 /opt/cnsserver/stack/apache2/bin/httpd -f /opt/cnsserver/stack/apache2/conf/httpd.conf 2065 ? S 0:00 /opt/cnsserver/stack/apache2/bin/httpd -f /opt/cnsserver/stack/apache2/conf/httpd.conf 6248 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/anacron -s 6399
Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
Where are you looking at?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:42:20 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
We got a PCN in the next county from us for ATT that included ALL of the 6, 11
and 18 channels. Government installation. The 14 foot high barbed wired fences
have signs saying FEMA. Yea, right “FEMA” nudge-nudge wink-wink.
For fun I was trying to look up what is actually licensed there. Can anyone get
the geo search working at the FCC ULS site? I can’t get it to find any links
anywhere. What am I doing wrong?
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchGeographic.jsp
PC
Blaze Broadband
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince via Af
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
I was floored a couple years ago when I got a PCN with 18 links at one of our
POPs by Clearwire. It was a smattering of 6, 11, 18, and 23 GHz.
None of it was ever built.
-- bp part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/15/2014 5:16 PM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote:
The squatting by the HFT guys is really ticking me off at the moment. I need an
additional link on a path and can’t find any working channels in 11Ghz. I’m
going to have to replace the existing 11Ghz link with 2 18Ghz links instead of
adding a polarization to the existing 11Ghz. It doubles the cost for a path
that the HFT guys have been sitting on for at least 2 years.
Mark
blockquote
On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Maybe he’s assuming in a few years quantum entanglement or faster-then-light
neutrinos will make them obsolete?
I see more PCNs than physical links. Abusing the system to call dibs on towers
and frequencies. Most of the PCNs I see are actually renewals, that way they
can tie up the coordinated path without starting the construction deadline
clock ticking.
From: Jon Langeler via Af
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 6:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
What happens in a few years?
-Jon
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 15, 2014, at 7:11 PM, CARL PETERSON via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
blockquote
I use them to make a KML of all the HFT links that are going to be sitting
there on the towers doing nothing in a few years.
On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
We get them all the time too. I just scan them to see if they are in the same
county as our stuff (and they usually are not). But I filter them all to a PCN
folder so they aren't clogging up my inbox.
You get it if (I think) you are within 150 miles on the same frequency with one
of your licenses.
-- bp part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/15/2014 9:57 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
blockquote
Sorry Tim...Liz and all the other frequency coordinators here. I know it is not
your fault.
You get a few licensed links up and pretty soon you are inundated with notices.
The one time I complained about a link, nothing happened at all.
So, as far as I am concerned, they are a welfare plan designed by the federal
government to employ postal workers.
From: Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
They go directly to the trash.
From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
Since we got our license a few weeks ago we have gotten a ton of these things,
some of which are a state away.
What is the criteria for sending these things out?
What are we supposed to do with them, are we supposed to run a pth calc to see
if it looks like it will cause issues?
whos responsible for prior notice if it looks like it might? Is it us or the
applicant frequency coordinator?
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. --
IBM maintenance manual, 1925
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] CNS Server CentOS Install
Agreed. Installs should auto-install dependencies via that distribution's package system, set SELinux and firewall rules appropriately. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:42:39 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNS Server CentOS Install What's really stupid is that the install doesn't add the firewall rules... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:24 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I had something equally ridiculous before. I felt like a fool when Cambium support found it. I had turned off the firewall when I installed it, but the install had me reboot and IPTables turned back on. I've started putting forth the effort to figure out what holes need to be opened up on things instead of just turning it off. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Justin Marshall via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:56:46 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNS Server CentOS Install LOL Sure enough, didn’t think about CentOS, and default iptables. I’m more of a Gentoo guy… Did a #iptables –F and it came right up Thanks! Justin From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNS Server CentOS Install New CentOS server? $50 says it is a firewall. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 16, 2014 10:45 AM, Justin Marshall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The firewall is definitely open, same IP I’ve used for CNS server in the past. I disabled SELinux. With setenable 0, and disabled in the /etc/selinux/config file… But now that you mention it, I can’t telnet to anything except port 22, however netstat shows it listening on 80/443 Wondering why I can’t telnet to port 80….And I’m trying from another box from inside the same subnet, no Firewall involved. [root@cnss logs]# netstat -ano Active Internet connections (servers and established) Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State Timer tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN off (0.00/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN off (0.00/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN off (0.00/0/0) tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:443 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN off (0.00/0/0) tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN off (0.00/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48692 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.13/0/0) tcp 0 0 10.192.172.113:22 10.192.172.114:53539 ESTABLISHED keepalive (3954.62/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48695 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.17/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48700 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.24/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48693 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.14/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48694 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.15/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48699 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.23/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48696 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.18/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48691 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.04/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48697 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.20/0/0) tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:5432 127.0.0.1:48698 ESTABLISHED keepalive (63.21/0/0) and when I manually try and restart Apache I get: [root@cnss logs]# /etc/init.d/lappstackApache restart [Tue Dec 16 05:34:01.272177 2014] [so:warn] [pid 7245] AH01574: module php5_module is already loaded, skipping [Tue Dec 16 05:34:01.284824 2014] [so:warn] [pid 7245] AH01574: module php5_module is already loaded, skipping [Tue Dec 16 05:34:01.284875 2014] [so:warn] [pid 7245] AH01574: module rewrite_module is already loaded, skipping AH00548: NameVirtualHost has no effect and will be removed in the next release /opt/cnsserver/stack/apache2/conf/httpd.conf:557 Syntax OK From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CNS Server CentOS Install Also turn down Selinux Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 16, 2014 9:57 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Did you open the firewall? Do a netstat to see if it is running and telnet to see if you can connect to the ports. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 16, 2014 9:52 AM, Justin Marshall via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Hi, Trying to do an install of CNS Server on CentOS 6.6(x86_64). Accepted all the defaults as far as postgres username/port. When i try and login through http/https, no page loads. Doing a #ps -ax shows something up with postgres i believe. 2060 ? Ss 0
Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff
For manual lovers that have used flappy-paddle gear boxes, how do they
compare in the involvement with the driving experience?
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Jason McKemie via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 10:54:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] offtopic - jaguar makes cool stuff
All of my vehicles except my most recent car (and the work van) have been
manual, I miss that quite a bit.
On Tuesday, December 16, 2014, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
My wife and I love stick shifts. Probably an attitude that is restricted to
people that love the driving thing. Stick shift makes you more involved.
And like you say, it also is a crude form of theft control. Becoming more
effective every day. I'm surprised by the number of people that don't know how
to drive a stick any more.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com
On 12/16/2014 8:16 AM, Seth Mattinen via Af wrote:
blockquote
On 12/16/14, 8:02 AM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote:
blockquote
Primitive beings and their manual gearboxes.
I still drive a stick because it's fun. Also nobody else drives my car because
they can't figure out how to operate it.
~Seth
/blockquote
/blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry
Ubiquiti mFi? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:20:43 AM Subject: [AFMUG] cheap and dirty telemetry Lots of folks have connected a relay to an ethernet port to loop it back. When the relay is open, the connection goes away. I am looking for a way to do some centralized polling of ports like that. I don’t want to have to build some kind of small ardueno board and burn an IP for each one. But I can’t think of a way around using an IP unless the device, such as a managed switch can do an snmp trap for each port. Maybe it will become a product if it doesn’t exist. Telemetry on a stick. Two terminals for a contact closure. POE powering. Pollable and trap sending. Hopefully something like this already exists?
Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
People like Liz have a service for $150/year to check those for you. If you think one may interfere, best to reach out to your coordinator and seek their advice. I look at them, but have never seen one come through that would have a chance of interfering. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 11:51:26 AM Subject: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications Since we got our license a few weeks ago we have gotten a ton of these things, some of which are a state away. What is the criteria for sending these things out? What are we supposed to do with them, are we supposed to run a pth calc to see if it looks like it will cause issues? whos responsible for prior notice if it looks like it might? Is it us or the applicant frequency coordinator? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
I've had coordination issues the couple 11 GHz I've done, but I'm in metro Chicago, so that'll happen. not much room here. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tim via Af Hardy af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 12:21:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications No worries – as you said – it’s an FCC requirement that was initially setup in 1971 when MCI and ATT were fighting for long-haul spectrum. Every single proposal ended up in a major battle at the FCC and they decided to get out of the middle of these arguments and force the applicants to work together. These days, we get very few responses from individual licensees and generally only receive an occasional issue from other coordinators. But, I can tell you that we send hundreds of complaints per month on behalf of the clients we protect. Most coordinators now prefer email delivery – in fact, we are looking to eliminate mail delivery altogether. So, if you are receiving snail mail from us, let me know and we’ll get it changed to email. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 12:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications Sorry Tim...Liz and all the other frequency coordinators here. I know it is not your fault. You get a few licensed links up and pretty soon you are inundated with notices. The one time I complained about a link, nothing happened at all. So, as far as I am concerned, they are a welfare plan designed by the federal government to employ postal workers. From: Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:55 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications They go directly to the trash. From: That One Guy via Af Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications Since we got our license a few weeks ago we have gotten a ton of these things, some of which are a state away. What is the criteria for sending these things out? What are we supposed to do with them, are we supposed to run a pth calc to see if it looks like it will cause issues? whos responsible for prior notice if it looks like it might? Is it us or the applicant frequency coordinator? -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
This reminds me to reach out to Liz about some abandoned licenses around here.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Paul Conlin via Af af@afmug.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 8:05:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
Go ahead and issue the PCN for the 11 that is clear now. If they aren't paying
attention you are golden. If they are then submit the license request anyway.
It will be rubber stamped and issued. Their protest, if they bother, is going
to have to include documentation of their squatting and that is not going to
help their case. Someone needs to stand up to these guys. Might as well be you
Mark.
PC
Blaze Broadband
On December 15, 2014 8:16:04 PM EST, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com
wrote:
The squatting by the HFT guys is really ticking me off at the moment. I need an
additional link on a path and can’t find any working channels in 11Ghz. I’m
going to have to replace the existing 11Ghz link with 2 18Ghz links instead of
adding a polarization to the existing 11Ghz. It doubles the cost for a path
that the HFT guys have been sitting on for at least 2 years.
Mark
blockquote
On Dec 15, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
Maybe he’s assuming in a few years quantum entanglement or faster-then-light
neutrinos will make them obsolete?
I see more PCNs than physical links. Abusing the system to call dibs on towers
and frequencies. Most of the PCNs I see are actually renewals, that way they
can tie up the coordinated path without starting the construction deadline
clock ticking.
From: Jon Langeler via Af
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 6:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
What happens in a few years?
-Jon
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 15, 2014, at 7:11 PM, CARL PETERSON via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
blockquote
I use them to make a KML of all the HFT links that are going to be sitting
there on the towers doing nothing in a few years.
On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote:
blockquote
We get them all the time too. I just scan them to see if they are in the same
county as our stuff (and they usually are not). But I filter them all to a PCN
folder so they aren't clogging up my inbox.
You get it if (I think) you are within 150 miles on the same frequency with one
of your licenses.
--
bp
part {dash} 15 {at} SkylineBroadbandService {dot} com On 12/15/2014 9:57 AM,
Chuck McCown via Af wrote:
blockquote
Sorry Tim...Liz and all the other frequency coordinators here. I know it is not
your fault.
You get a few licensed links up and pretty soon you are inundated with notices.
The one time I complained about a link, nothing happened at all.
So, as far as I am concerned, they are a welfare plan designed by the federal
government to employ postal workers.
From: Chuck McCown via Af
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
They go directly to the trash.
From: That One Guy via Af
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2014 10:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] licensed prior coordination notifications
Since we got our license a few weeks ago we have gotten a ton of these things,
some of which are a state away.
What is the criteria for sending these things out?
What are we supposed to do with them, are we supposed to run a pth calc to see
if it looks like it will cause issues?
whos responsible for prior notice if it looks like it might? Is it us or the
applicant frequency coordinator?
--
All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts
you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them
together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. --
IBM maintenance manual, 1925
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
Having a monitor like that would be good for a NOC like environment. Big screen, tons of information. Network maps, graphs, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:56:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K How much content will really be shot in 4K? All of the Red digital video cameras record in 4K, the newer ones in 4K 60fps. Red cameras are common in Vancouver even on low-budget movie productions these days. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think the other parameter is 120 Hz refresh, right? But remember all the complaining about Peter Jackson shooting in 48fps and making it impossible to “suspend disbelief”? And remember how TV shows had to rebuild their sets and talking heads needed more makeup and Botox and pimple cream for 1080p? Are they going to freak out again for 4K/8K where dust particles will be visible on someone’s nose? And how much content will really, really be shot in 4K/8K and 120Hz? Rather than upscaled and interpolated? They say a new generation of Blu-ray discs for 4K should be available in about a year. From: Jerry Richardson via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Yeah, LG wants to get in front with this… However for the record, what is being called 4k is really 2k or UHD. The marketing departments decided that they no longer wanted to follow tradition of counting horizontal lines. There are way more vertical lines, let’s count those! Bugs me to no end LOL From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night?
The closest I've ever been to SLC is either in a plane on the way to Vegas or maybe in Steamboat Springs, CO. However, I'd imagine the worst thing that could happen to you in SLC is getting preached at by a Mormon... and I'd be okay with that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:47:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Walking in SLC at night? Are you seriously asking if Salt Lake City is safe for an adult male to walk at night? On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Bruce Robertson via Af af@afmug.com wrote: One of my transportation options for Animal Farm is to take Amtrak from Reno. The problem is that it arrives in SLC between 3 and 4 am. It's only a 15 minute walk from the station to the hotel, but I was wondering how advisable that is at that hour.
Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K
There's always these guys. They're local. http://www.nocturneproductions.com/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:50:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Nah, you want one of these: http://gizmodo.com/this-google-android-billboard-in-times-square-is-freaki-1663246037 From: Mike Hammett via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 12:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Having a monitor like that would be good for a NOC like environment. Big screen, tons of information. Network maps, graphs, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Eric Kuhnke via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:56:26 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K How much content will really be shot in 4K? All of the Red digital video cameras record in 4K, the newer ones in 4K 60fps. Red cameras are common in Vancouver even on low-budget movie productions these days. On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I think the other parameter is 120 Hz refresh, right? But remember all the complaining about Peter Jackson shooting in 48fps and making it impossible to “suspend disbelief”? And remember how TV shows had to rebuild their sets and talking heads needed more makeup and Botox and pimple cream for 1080p? Are they going to freak out again for 4K/8K where dust particles will be visible on someone’s nose? And how much content will really, really be shot in 4K/8K and 120Hz? Rather than upscaled and interpolated? They say a new generation of Blu-ray discs for 4K should be available in about a year. From: Jerry Richardson via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 11:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K Yeah, LG wants to get in front with this… However for the record, what is being called 4k is really 2k or UHD. The marketing departments decided that they no longer wanted to follow tradition of counting horizontal lines. There are way more vertical lines, let’s count those! Bugs me to no end LOL From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:03 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] And some of you are whining about 4K http://hothardware.com/news/we-dont-need-no-stinkin-4k-lg-says-theyre-bringing-the-8k-love Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
That's pretty close, probably even good enough! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mark - Myakka Technologies via Af af@afmug.com To: Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 9:32:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. Mike, something like this... -- Best regards, Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at http://main.acsevents.org/site/TR/RelayForLife/RFLFY12FL?team_id=1030009pg=teamfr_id=37555 -- Thursday, December 11, 2014, 1:56:08 PM, you wrote: MHvA I don't care about the remote side. Locally. Who is using MHvA it? The Samsung TV, the XBox, an iPhone, etc. How much is that MHvA device using right now. I don't care what is being moved, just MHvA THAT it is being moved. MHvA - MHvA Mike Hammett MHvA Intelligent Computing Solutions MHvA http://www.ics-il.com MHvA From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com MHvA To: af@afmug.com MHvA Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:46:47 PM MHvA Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. MHvA Not that simple, most CDNs donￜt even have reverse DNS, MHvA and even if they do, you have to know that 1e100.net is Google MHvA or llnw.net is Limelight Networks.ￜ But seriously, reverse DNS MHvA is becoming useless on the Internet.ￜ Only hope is to look up MHvA who the IP block is allocated to.ￜ Iￜm also seeing a lot of CDNs MHvA open anywhere from 4-10 TCP connections, and not just different MHvA port numbers, they can be all different IP addresses for one MHvA stream.ￜ It would take a fair bit of smarts to do more than MHvA identify Susieￜs iPad.ￜ Even doing a manual analysis, I give up, MHvA how am I to know what content is coming from Level3 or AWS MHvA Cloudfront?ￜ Itￜs like knowing a customer went to a certain MHvA grocery store, you donￜt know if they bought milk or orange MHvA juice, much less what brand. MHvA ￜ MHvA Now if Procera would provide a probe that goes on a MHvA Mikrotik SOHO router, pulls the info back, analyzes it maybe MHvA once a minute, and then makes the information available to the MHvA end customer via a webpage with login, they would really have MHvA something.ￜ Not sure you could cost justify it though. MHvA ￜ MHvA ￜ MHvA From:Mike Hammett via Af MHvA Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:06 PM MHvA To:af@afmug.com MHvA Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. MHvA ￜ MHvA That's a good first step, but I'd like it to display Top MHvA Hosts or something like that where it does a name lookup (DNS, MHvA SNMP, etc.) and aggregates the top ten things in torch by host? MHvA Right now Susie's-iPad is using |---this---| much. Go MHvA tell her to do her homework. Take the iPad away. MHvA - MHvA Mike Hammett MHvA Intelligent Computing Solutions MHvA http://www.ics-il.com MHvA From: Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com MHvA To: af@afmug.com MHvA Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 12:02:49 PM MHvA Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. MHvA That's the only reason I like the LCD on the RB2011. MHvA I am currently using several as demarcs for commercial MHvA customers. I have the touchscreen portion disabled and locked to MHvA showing the wan port throughout. MHvA josh reynolds :: chief information officer MHvA spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com MHvA On 12/11/2014 07:06 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: MHvA We need tools to allow the customer to see what is MHvA happening in their house. Call support. Your service is slow? MHvA What does your XYZ utility say is happening now? MHvA - MHvA Mike Hammett MHvA Intelligent Computing Solutions MHvA http://www.ics-il.com MHvA From: Ken Hohhof via Af mailto:af@afmug.com MHvA To: af@afmug.com MHvA Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:29:05 AM MHvA Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. MHvA I donￜt disagree, but it presents some marketing and tech MHvA support issues dealing with customers. MHvA ￜ MHvA If 4K streaming requires 25M as Netflix says, thatￜs MHvA around 15 times what SD requires and 6 times what HD (720p) MHvA requires.ￜ I donￜt think customers think of it that way, and MHvA they certainly donￜt want to pay 6 or 15 times as much, more MHvA like 1.5X or 2X if anything. MHvA ￜ MHvA Add this to the trend of having 2, 3, 5 or more streams MHvA going at once and in their head itￜs a binary thing, can I MHvA stream on your service or canￜt I?ￜ As someone posted the MHvA other day, 6M does not mean 6M per device. MHvA ￜ MHvA I already get a fair amount of calls from
Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
Maybe I can fly a quadcopter by their windows and peer in? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:04:45 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'm sure that AirFiber t eam (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing . :P josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to provide a better performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. The only question if it’s worth the difference. Rory From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM To: Josh Luthman via Af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications where 450 does not meet the price point. Von: Josh Luthman via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 04:00 An: Josh Luthman via Af An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc). On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac. *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 01:39 *An:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com I hope Cambium is listing on this point. Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price point. They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too. Tushar -Original Message- From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. Yes no maybe. I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses.
Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5 and at least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure how increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Colin Stanners via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the next 12-18 months. If not sooner. Now... what would those be? Hrm. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: blockquote I don’t know what you are talking about. Rory From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. :P josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: blockquote I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to provide a better performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. The only question if it’s worth the difference. Rory From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM To: Josh Luthman via Af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications where 450 does not meet the price point. Von: Josh Luthman via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 04:00 An: Josh Luthman via Af An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc). On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The answer is to release an epmp1000-ac. *Von:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 01:39 *An:* Josh Luthman via Af af@afmug.com I hope Cambium is listing on this point. Get rid of speed license and make it as unlimited radios at 10 meg price point. They are about to have more competition from lot of other vendors too. Tushar -Original Message- From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Peter Kranz via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. Yes no maybe. I think this is good news actually, as it is sure to light the competitive fire under Cambium to get to feature parity and get rid of speed licenses. /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] EoIP over fiber - high latency?
You have old, old units. The new ones do 2024 or better. Still Rocket Ms. They changed that 2 - 3 years ago. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Kade Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:35:41 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EoIP over fiber - high latency? So looks like this may be a reason not to use UBNT stuff for our backup links. Looks like the highest I can set the MTU is 1515 on a couple units and 1524 on another. Neither capable of 1528 or more. I'll have to find some brand new hardware and see if it can go higher. How big of a performance hit are we talking here? Potentially requiring double the pps to move the same amount of large packets? I could that potentially being a pretty big problem. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Shayne Lebrun via Af af@afmug.com wrote: To my understanding, it works like this: Say you take an IP packet coming into ether1, and it’s full MTU; 1500 bytes. Now, you want to bridge ether1 to an EoIP tunnel. EoI is GRE, and there’s a 28 byte overhead for the GRE encapsulation. Now you have a 1528 byte packet. Unless every device between that router and the EoIP endpoint has layer2 MTUs of at least 1528 bytes, you’re going to transmit two packets to move that one original packet. One packet will have something like 1472 bytes of the original packet, plus GRE overhead for 1500, and one will have the remaining 28 bytes of the original packet, plus 28 GRE overhead, so, something like 56 bytes. This introduces the obvious slowdowns, as well as not so obvious ones, like maybe you have a device in the middle that’s not so good at PPS. Or that queues up small packets into one big air frame, and therefore you’re waiting for reassembly on the far end. Now, if you’re going from a 1500 byte LAN across a 9000 byte fiber connection, you’ll not notice this. If you’re going to a satellite office behind DSL with PPPoE, or a cable modem, or whatever, you’re going to notice. From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Kade Sullivan via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EoIP over fiber - high latency? Could you elaborate on this? We have a couple EOIP links across other networks and have never adjusted the MTU anywhere. I just pulled up the EOIP interfaces on each router and they are all set for 1500. Should we be increasing this number as a best practice when building EOIP Tunnels? On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Shayne Lebrun via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Bear in mind that unless you’ve increased your MTU from end to end, or dropped the MTU on your two devices that the EoIP are bridging, you’re going to get packet fragmentation. Otherwise, what RouterOS version? From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Erich Kaiser via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 4:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] EoIP over fiber - high latency? So I have an EoIP tunnel setup over two fiber connections for a customer, I am seeing high latency over the tunnel any idea? MTU Issue? Using RB1100AHx2 on both ends.
Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
I want a bigger AF5. :-\ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Keefe John via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the dogbone design. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller AF5--even if it had less throughput/distance. Keefe On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: via license? *ducking* It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of design and manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller, cheaper processors. Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power supply? I'm no engineer, so I can't tell you how much this would or would not change the price. Something that only does 10 MHz wide? I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can go with the existing hardware and still make money. On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license system because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I think Gino's got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for (business) customer installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to Full? Two things to keep track of, not several. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with 1 Gig capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5 and at least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure how increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Colin Stanners via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the next 12-18 months. If not sooner. Now... what would those be? Hrm. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: blockquote I don’t know what you are talking about. Rory From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. :P josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: blockquote I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to provide a better performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. The only question if it’s worth the difference. Rory From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM To: Josh Luthman via Af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now but helps to keep customers and applications where 450 does not meet the price point. Von: Josh Luthman via Af Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. Dezember 2014 04:00 An: Josh Luthman via Af An .AC ePMP would be incredible - but the issue is whether Cambium would be fearful of it competing too much with the 450. What does a company do when it has 2 products that are too good, and the cheaper one starts to outshine the more expensive one in the most often used benchmark? (mbps - even .AC ePMP is unlikely to beat 450 in scalability / latency / etc). On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Stefan Englhardt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: The answer is to release
Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
I know, but Keefe mentioned AF5, so I was responding to that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:41:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. Im talking af24… Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 10:39 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I want a bigger AF5. :-\ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Keefe John via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the dogbone design. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller AF5--even if it had less throughput/distance. Keefe On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: via license? *ducking* It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of design and manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller, cheaper processors. Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power supply? I'm no engineer, so I can't tell you how much this would or would not change the price. Something that only does 10 MHz wide? I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can go with the existing hardware and still make money. On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license system because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I think Gino's got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for (business) customer installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to Full? Two things to keep track of, not several. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with 1 Gig capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5 and at least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure how increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Colin Stanners via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released in the next 12-18 months. If not sooner. Now... what would those be? Hrm. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 08:07 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: blockquote I don’t know what you are talking about. Rory From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'm sure that AirFiber team (which they seem to keep expanding) is silently sitting in their own little corner in Chicago doing nothing. :P josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/10/2014 07:48 PM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote: blockquote I think the ePMP is going to run into the same problem all the 802.11ac vendors are seeing with the new OOBE rules. The 450 is able to provide a better performance within the new environment so there will still be a differentiator. The only question if it’s worth the difference. Rory From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt via Af Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:45 PM To: Josh Luthman via Af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. .AC is an upgrade to .N. Cambium has the choice to use it or not. Others do. epmp competes with 450 right now
Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted..
My arguments against it are that the gain is too small for long distance shots and the gain is too small to avoid urban noise. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Brett A Mansfield via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:14:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. The AF5 is too much money for a backhaul in an already overused frequency I think. Besides, I have a link with the RM5AC-lites using the original rocket dish 5G30 and getting a consistent 300Mbps for a mere $500. Put two of those links into an aggregate and get basically the same thing at half the price. My latency is 1-2ms on a 3 mile link. I do have them shielded though. Without the shielding I was lucky if I got 150Mb. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Dec 11, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: It seems that af5 has not sold as well as forecasted? Lots of “sales” going around Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 10:43 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I know, but Keefe mentioned AF5, so I was responding to that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:41:24 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. Im talking af24… Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 10:39 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I want a bigger AF5. :-\ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Keefe John via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:36:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. Maybe it could be an integrated solution with only one 'dish' vs the dogbone design. I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a smaller AF5--even if it had less throughput/distance. Keefe On 12/11/2014 8:29 AM, Mike Hammett via Af wrote: blockquote via license? *ducking* It could be lower end hardware, though I don't know how the costs of design and manufacture change. Lower throughput may allow for smaller, cheaper processors. Smaller processors use less power, so smaller power supply? I'm no engineer, so I can't tell you how much this would or would not change the price. Something that only does 10 MHz wide? I don't know their cost to manufacture, so I don't know how low they can go with the existing hardware and still make money. On the license front, I think people don't like the Cambium license system because the base unit is too slow and there are too many units. I think Gino's got something with a $1k 200 meg unit. Would be great for (business) customer installs. Maybe just one license to go from Lite to Full? Two things to keep track of, not several. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:20:01 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I asked this and got a negative response… UBNT should work o AF24 2 with 1 Gig capacity and a AF24Lite for 200-500 Mbps capacity for $1k link Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, December 11, 2014 at 9:27 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. Could they increase the QAM on the current AF24 to match that of the AF5 and at least do 1 gigabit FDX on the current shipping hardware? Not sure how increasing QAM levels work in FPGA land. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Colin Stanners via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 11:19:46 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RM5AC-PMP Embargo lifted.. I'm sure they'll do a 24ghz AF 2/Duo/Super/Ultra with 1024QAM. In the 100mhz channels both ways that'll allow around 1280mbit FD - so a 2.5gbit backhaul... I'm assuming 3.65 will come as well. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote I'd guess there's going to be... a least 3 AirFiber products released
Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know.
We need tools to allow the customer to see what is happening in their house. Call support. Your service is slow? What does your XYZ utility say is happening now? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:29:05 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. I don’t disagree, but it presents some marketing and tech support issues dealing with customers. If 4K streaming requires 25M as Netflix says, that’s around 15 times what SD requires and 6 times what HD (720p) requires. I don’t think customers think of it that way, and they certainly don’t want to pay 6 or 15 times as much, more like 1.5X or 2X if anything. Add this to the trend of having 2, 3, 5 or more streams going at once and in their head it’s a binary thing, can I stream on your service or can’t I? As someone posted the other day, 6M does not mean 6M per device. I already get a fair amount of calls from people either watching Netflix while others in the house are watching Youtube, or they are watching streams on their Apple TV or via Amazon or Hulu that take more bandwidth than Netflix. In some cases I think those services are optimized for download and watch later rather than live streaming. You’d think people would observe Netflix works but Vudu doesn’t, and blame it on the streaming service. But everything these days is “my Internet is slow”. I had someone yesterday who had managed to both turn off WiFi on their router and unplug the Internet cable, but the reported problem was “my Internet is slow”. Add in the binary choice “can I stream or can’t I”, and I think we need some really good talking points and phone support scripts to explain to people why they need to upgrade to a higher more expensive plan, rather than saying I used to be able to stream Netflix SD, now I can’t stream 4K, you need to send someone out to fix my Internet connection, it doesn’t work like it used to, I’m not getting what I’m paying for. As far as pricing, my rule of thumb is price goes up as the square root of bandwidth, so 2X speed is around 1.4X price. But that would make 15X speed around 4X price, which I think is fair, but customers will think is outrageous. From their perspective, 4K is incrementally better looking than SD, plus everyone knows additional bandwidth costs ISPs next to nothing. This is gonna take some slick marketing. From: Rory Conaway via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. I’m looking at this as the reason to raise prices. I don’t see a downside but I don’t have towers. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 7:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. You boys are probably still slapping the side of the TV to get the picture to straighten up, right? From: CBB - Jay Fuller via Af Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazonstreaming4Know. i assume you no one here in alabama (except us techies) knows what 4ktv is. i honestly don't even... - Original Message - From: Ryan Ghering via Af To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming4Know. It's especially worrisome with Newegg and Tiger selling cheap off brand 4K's under 500 bucks. And Roku is starting a big sale this week. I've already had calls this morning if customers current bandwidth will stream 4k. NOPE sorry.. Then I tell them what package we do offer that will support it and they freek out. Like I'm gona give bandwidth away for free. GEEZ On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is going to make for an ugly christmas season. If we had customer service who was firm it wouldnt be an issue we dont offer that speed currently but instead, the customers on 900 will be the ones who get the tv, and the subscription and call in, and CS will keep saying, well isnt there anything we can do for this guy in the middle of the forrest with the 300 foot cable run? and Ill have to go home and punch one of my children, probably the boy, Im kind of afraid of the girl. On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: A quick Google search comes up with Audials and Playlater. It does not appear to be rocket science. From: Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 10:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well there goes all our bandwidth. Amazon streaming 4Know. I'd think if
