Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Yep 

And the lesser publicized facts well known on the other side of the world in 
regards to the Iraq WMD' are ...

"Well, how do we know they have WMD's. Well because we supplied the 
Centerfuges and all the stuff to make those WMD's (so that Iraq could use those 
against the Iranians). Guess who was the emissary who delivered them ?  
Mr. Rumsfeld himself !"

" Well why did Saddam over run Kuwait ?  Well he asked Madam Secretary 
(Madeline Albright) about their (Iraq's) dispute with KuwaitGuess what here 
reply was... 'We don't care how you deal with your problem there' Hmmm 
so now you can understand why Saddam was so confused when the US attacked Iraq 
for attacking Kuwait ?"

Interesting to note that everything for that war was paid by the Arabs in the 
Middle East a nice boondoggle for all the Industries that supply for the 
Services !

Meanwhile who paid the price The US Solders and the common people of that 
part of the world... No sweat for the politicians and the Corporate 
Industrialist... it was not any skin off their nose..


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom


- Original Message -
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:11:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

> Hi.
> 
> Inside the US military itself, China is considered an ally nation.
> Even this past year we decided to start holding joint land-based
> exercises with them - previously they were limited to naval exercises.
> It's an opportunity to test co-readiness (ally full spectrum
> operations), as well as judge their competence (intelligence).
> 
> Without getting into specifics, they are on the long term "watch them
> / potential threat" list simply because of the size their manpower,
> but they are not considered a nation of immediate threat to us or our
> G8 allies in the general sense. There are certain issues we are not
> happy with them on such as their fondness for island nations and
> territorial claims. Even the "stolen" Chengdu J-20 is more of a 3rd
> gen fighter design than a 5th (about 20-25 years behind).
> 
> Despite all this, there are many well financially and politically
> backed think tanks that are excellent at wargaming scenarios and
> creating massive amounts of FUD - this creates more contributions for
> them, entrenches their clout, and creates a certain type of fearful
> competition to drive policy decisions in favor of the defense complex.
> 
> Interesting notes about a fairly recent situation:
> 
> "In a study published in 2005,[120] a group of researchers assessed
> the effects reports and retractions in the media had on people's
> memory regarding the search for WMD in Iraq during the 2003 Iraq War.
> The study focused on populations in two coalition countries (Australia
> and USA) and one opposed to the war (Germany). This led to three
> conclusions:
> 
> The repetition of tentative news stories, even if they are
> subsequently disconfirmed, can assist in the creation of false
> memories in a substantial proportion of people.
> 
> Once information is published, its subsequent correction does not
> alter people's beliefs unless they are suspicious about the motives
> underlying the events the news stories are about.
> 
> When people ignore corrections, they do so irrespective of how certain
> they are that the corrections occurred.
> 
> A poll conducted between June and September 2003 asked people whether
> they thought evidence of WMD had been discovered in Iraq since the war
> ended. They were also asked which media sources they relied upon.
> Those who obtained their news primarily from Fox News were three times
> as likely to believe that evidence of WMD had been discovered in Iraq
> than those who relied on PBS and NPR for their news, and one third
> more likely than those who primarily watched CBS."
> Source : Psycological Science Journal
> http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10./(ISSN)1467-9280
> 
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>> I don’t read what you are interpreting but I will attempt to make it more
>> clear.  The Chinese government targets specific industries that are in their
>> best interest either militarily or economically.  If they do not have
>> sufficient business infrastructure within the country to meet their needs,
>> they create it, hence Huawei.  Why do you think we used to call it Japan,
>> Inc.  for the longest time.  They invented the idea.  And Faisal, you can
>> keep your head in the sand about what’s really happening in China but I
>> suggest you start pulling declassified reports, understand the concept of
>&

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

Hi.

Inside the US military itself, China is considered an ally nation.
Even this past year we decided to start holding joint land-based
exercises with them - previously they were limited to naval exercises.
It's an opportunity to test co-readiness (ally full spectrum
operations), as well as judge their competence (intelligence).

Without getting into specifics, they are on the long term "watch them
/ potential threat" list simply because of the size their manpower,
but they are not considered a nation of immediate threat to us or our
G8 allies in the general sense. There are certain issues we are not
happy with them on such as their fondness for island nations and
territorial claims. Even the "stolen" Chengdu J-20 is more of a 3rd
gen fighter design than a 5th (about 20-25 years behind).

Despite all this, there are many well financially and politically
backed think tanks that are excellent at wargaming scenarios and
creating massive amounts of FUD - this creates more contributions for
them, entrenches their clout, and creates a certain type of fearful
competition to drive policy decisions in favor of the defense complex.

Interesting notes about a fairly recent situation:

"In a study published in 2005,[120] a group of researchers assessed
the effects reports and retractions in the media had on people's
memory regarding the search for WMD in Iraq during the 2003 Iraq War.
The study focused on populations in two coalition countries (Australia
and USA) and one opposed to the war (Germany). This led to three
conclusions:

The repetition of tentative news stories, even if they are
subsequently disconfirmed, can assist in the creation of false
memories in a substantial proportion of people.

Once information is published, its subsequent correction does not
alter people's beliefs unless they are suspicious about the motives
underlying the events the news stories are about.

When people ignore corrections, they do so irrespective of how certain
they are that the corrections occurred.

A poll conducted between June and September 2003 asked people whether
they thought evidence of WMD had been discovered in Iraq since the war
ended. They were also asked which media sources they relied upon.
Those who obtained their news primarily from Fox News were three times
as likely to believe that evidence of WMD had been discovered in Iraq
than those who relied on PBS and NPR for their news, and one third
more likely than those who primarily watched CBS."
Source : Psycological Science Journal
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10./(ISSN)1467-9280

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> I don’t read what you are interpreting but I will attempt to make it more
> clear.  The Chinese government targets specific industries that are in their
> best interest either militarily or economically.  If they do not have
> sufficient business infrastructure within the country to meet their needs,
> they create it, hence Huawei.  Why do you think we used to call it Japan,
> Inc.  for the longest time.  They invented the idea.  And Faisal, you can
> keep your head in the sand about what’s really happening in China but I
> suggest you start pulling declassified reports, understand the concept of
> String of Pearls as it was accidentally leaked back in the 90’s, and spend
> some time at security briefings.  Your interpretation of what China’s goals
> are on many fronts simply just doesn’t jive with the facts.  I feel you are
> missing a lot of information and drawing an incorrect conclusion.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 6:17 PM
>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
>
> Rory,
>
>
>
> Your first paragraph reads as I did not say it.. but I did say it ...
> The fact that you look at all this as stuff as being , they want to destroy
> us, simply makes my case of you buying into the FUD and spreading it.
>
>
>
> How about taking a more sensible approach. People of the World want to
> live a good life in peace, it is the politicians of the world who will be
> out of business if that ever happens... and the Corporations who make
> millions of $ of profit on both sides will be  shorted out so it is in
> their best interest to keep the FUD alive, and keep creating chaos.
>
>
>
> There is no one in the World who wants to destroy another person or another
> country who has not been incited to do so !..
>
>
>
> You should read what you wrote,  you justify your thinking with the same
> logic that you lay out as being wrong... but you appear to be able to do
> that because you are justifying to yourself that one entity is worse then
> the other entity, when both are involved in bad behavior.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Rory, 

Your first paragraph reads as I did not say it.. but I did say it ... The 
fact that you look at all this as stuff as being , they want to destroy us, 
simply makes my case of you buying into the FUD and spreading it. 

How about taking a more sensible approach. People of the World want to live 
a good life in peace, it is the politicians of the world who will be out of 
business if that ever happens... and the Corporations who make millions of $ of 
profit on both sides will be shorted out so it is in their best interest to 
keep the FUD alive, and keep creating chaos. 

There is no one in the World who wants to destroy another person or another 
country who has not been incited to do so !.. 

You should read what you wrote, you justify your thinking with the same logic 
that you lay out as being wrong... but you appear to be able to do that because 
you are justifying to yourself that one entity is worse then the other entity, 
when both are involved in bad behavior. 

In regards to Trump, more power to you . we have a saying .. be careful of 
the devil you seek vs the devil you know 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Rory Conaway" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:00:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

> I didn’t say that the Chinese government has 99% of the companies under their
> thumb. However, they do in the areas of key technologies, solar, networking,
> cellular, and any company they discern to be critical to their military or
> economy. If they want to destroy a U.S. industry, they provide plenty of money
> from the government through the banks to the companies they deem critical to
> that effort. They destroyed many of our industries and we let them do it
> because out political class was either too corrupt or too stupid to realize
> what was happening, Solyndra being a good example.

> In the meantime, no company in this country has ever had their CEO killed for
> some government violation whereas you toe the line in China or you get killed
> or jailed. Hell, we don’t even convict them most of the time, no matter what
> laws they break, the banking crisis being a perfect example. Most of those
> CEO’s walked away and kept most of the money they stole (not paranoia, fact 
> and
> easily provable). Even CEO’s involved in money laundering haven’t been touched
> for the most part. That is one of the criminal relationships between Wall
> Street and the Government that really needs to be cleaned up. The Justice
> Department needs to be independent of the President or any political party.
> Sadly, it’s not and the criminals just rotate through the White House. If you
> want the best reason that I’m voting for Trump, this is it. I hope his ego is
> enough to prove he isn’t corrupt.

> Rory

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:22 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

> 

> But if you think that 99% of the companies in this country have access to that
> data and are coordinated the same way that the Chinese government does it, 
> then
> you are mistaken. The Chinese target industries and then get everyone on 
> board,
> multiple companies and agencies, with connections, financing, and
> patent/technical information. We simply don’t do that as a country. Yes, our
> government is now as corrupt as it’s ever been, yes it’s got a relationship
> with private industry and other governments that would have put people in jail
> for treason 50 years ago, but it’s that very fact that keeps that information
> within a few companies through secret government relationships, meaning it’s
> the exception, not the rule. And it also means in some cases, it’s illegal and
> hopefully that is enough to stop it when it’s not in our national interest but
> simply in the interest of a specific company or person. Again, the difference
> between them and us.

> --

> I find the people of the world to be more alike than dis-alike. I find the Gov
> of the world to be more Alike than Dis-alike. If you think that the Chinese 
> Gov
> has 99% of the companies under their thumbs in a coordinated way (I am taking
> an implied position from your statement ) then you need to re-arrange your
> thinking.. and this is what I am calling FUD from you.

> We are being played, just at different levels...that fact that you are trying 
> to
> justify and downplay the corruption our system vs theirs, simply tells me that
> you are drinking the same koolaid that you are complaining about.

> Paint the canvas any 

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Jeremy]

The lube and the uranium were funny, but it was the Q&A and comments that
made it PURE GOLD.  LMAO.

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Trump's not corrupt? He's padded the pockets of both parties so he could
> have political backing on certain business ventures. He's replaced a lot of
> his larger staffing ventures with H1-B workers. He's been involved in
> almost 170 Federal lawsuits - most of which he's claimed extreme damages
> for media attention and personal profit and more than a few (most) have
> been thrown out even under a short examination. He's just as much a part of
> the political system as any person up there.
>
> I feel we need changes too, but this is Trump for Trump, and nothing more.
> O want to fix things not burn them down.
> On Mar 21, 2016 8:00 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>> I didn’t say that the Chinese government has 99% of the companies under
>> their thumb.  However, they do in the areas of key technologies, solar,
>> networking, cellular, and any company they discern to be critical to their
>> military or economy.   If they want to destroy a U.S. industry, they
>> provide plenty of money from the government through the banks to the
>> companies they deem critical to that effort.  They destroyed many of our
>> industries and we let them do it because out political class was either too
>> corrupt or too stupid to realize what was happening, Solyndra being a good
>> example.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the meantime, no company in this country has ever had their CEO killed
>> for some government violation whereas you toe the line in China or you get
>> killed or jailed.  Hell, we don’t even convict them most of the time, no
>> matter what laws they break, the banking crisis being a perfect example.
>> Most of those CEO’s walked away and kept most of the money they stole (not
>> paranoia, fact and easily provable).  Even CEO’s involved in money
>> laundering haven’t been touched for the most part.  That is one of the
>> criminal relationships between Wall Street and the Government that really
>> needs to be cleaned up.  The Justice Department needs to be independent of
>> the President or any political party.   Sadly, it’s not and the criminals
>> just rotate through the White House.  If you want the best reason that I’m
>> voting for Trump, this is it.  I hope his ego is enough to prove he isn’t
>> corrupt.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 4:22 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> But if you think that 99% of the companies in this country  have access
>> to that data and are coordinated the same way that the Chinese government
>> does it, then you are mistaken.  The Chinese target industries and then get
>> everyone on board, multiple companies and agencies, with connections,
>> financing, and patent/technical information.  We simply don’t do that as a
>> country.  Yes, our government is now as corrupt as it’s ever been, yes it’s
>> got a relationship with private industry and other governments that would
>> have put people in jail for treason 50 years ago, but it’s that very fact
>> that keeps that information within a few companies through secret
>> government relationships, meaning it’s the exception, not the rule.  And it
>> also means in some cases, it’s illegal and hopefully that is enough to stop
>> it when it’s not in our national interest but simply in the interest of a
>> specific company or person.Again, the difference between them and us.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>> I find the people of the world to be more alike than dis-alike. I find
>> the Gov of the world to be more Alike than Dis-alike. If you think that the
>> Chinese Gov has 99% of the companies under their thumbs in a coordinated
>> way (I am taking an  implied position from your statement ) then you need
>> to re-arrange your thinking.. and this is what I am calling FUD from you.
>>
>>
>>
>> We are being played, just at different levels...that fact that you are
>> trying to justify and downplay the corruption our system vs theirs, simply
>> tells me that you are drinking the same koolaid that you are complaining
>> about.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Paint the canvas any way you want but the rules and procedures are
>> different.  I suggest you ge

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

Trump's not corrupt? He's padded the pockets of both parties so he could
have political backing on certain business ventures. He's replaced a lot of
his larger staffing ventures with H1-B workers. He's been involved in
almost 170 Federal lawsuits - most of which he's claimed extreme damages
for media attention and personal profit and more than a few (most) have
been thrown out even under a short examination. He's just as much a part of
the political system as any person up there.

I feel we need changes too, but this is Trump for Trump, and nothing more.
O want to fix things not burn them down.
On Mar 21, 2016 8:00 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> I didn’t say that the Chinese government has 99% of the companies under
> their thumb.  However, they do in the areas of key technologies, solar,
> networking, cellular, and any company they discern to be critical to their
> military or economy.   If they want to destroy a U.S. industry, they
> provide plenty of money from the government through the banks to the
> companies they deem critical to that effort.  They destroyed many of our
> industries and we let them do it because out political class was either too
> corrupt or too stupid to realize what was happening, Solyndra being a good
> example.
>
>
>
> In the meantime, no company in this country has ever had their CEO killed
> for some government violation whereas you toe the line in China or you get
> killed or jailed.  Hell, we don’t even convict them most of the time, no
> matter what laws they break, the banking crisis being a perfect example.
> Most of those CEO’s walked away and kept most of the money they stole (not
> paranoia, fact and easily provable).  Even CEO’s involved in money
> laundering haven’t been touched for the most part.  That is one of the
> criminal relationships between Wall Street and the Government that really
> needs to be cleaned up.  The Justice Department needs to be independent of
> the President or any political party.   Sadly, it’s not and the criminals
> just rotate through the White House.  If you want the best reason that I’m
> voting for Trump, this is it.  I hope his ego is enough to prove he isn’t
> corrupt.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 4:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> But if you think that 99% of the companies in this country  have access to
> that data and are coordinated the same way that the Chinese government does
> it, then you are mistaken.  The Chinese target industries and then get
> everyone on board, multiple companies and agencies, with connections,
> financing, and patent/technical information.  We simply don’t do that as a
> country.  Yes, our government is now as corrupt as it’s ever been, yes it’s
> got a relationship with private industry and other governments that would
> have put people in jail for treason 50 years ago, but it’s that very fact
> that keeps that information within a few companies through secret
> government relationships, meaning it’s the exception, not the rule.  And it
> also means in some cases, it’s illegal and hopefully that is enough to stop
> it when it’s not in our national interest but simply in the interest of a
> specific company or person.Again, the difference between them and us.
>
> --
>
>
>
> I find the people of the world to be more alike than dis-alike. I find the
> Gov of the world to be more Alike than Dis-alike. If you think that the
> Chinese Gov has 99% of the companies under their thumbs in a coordinated
> way (I am taking an  implied position from your statement ) then you need
> to re-arrange your thinking.. and this is what I am calling FUD from you.
>
>
>
> We are being played, just at different levels...that fact that you are
> trying to justify and downplay the corruption our system vs theirs, simply
> tells me that you are drinking the same koolaid that you are complaining
> about.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paint the canvas any way you want but the rules and procedures are
> different.  I suggest you get involved with civilian security programs and
> you will find that even that much information is more than you ever wanted
> to know and scary as hell.
>
>
>
> Yes, canvas is different, and the paint colors are different, but the
> process of FUD is the same The world is a scary place if you want to be
> scared, and it is not scary at all if you don't have anything to be scared
> about !
>
>
>
>
>
> -
>
> Let me tell you somet

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Rory Conaway]

I didn’t say that the Chinese government has 99% of the companies under their 
thumb.  However, they do in the areas of key technologies, solar, networking, 
cellular, and any company they discern to be critical to their military or 
economy.   If they want to destroy a U.S. industry, they provide plenty of 
money from the government through the banks to the companies they deem critical 
to that effort.  They destroyed many of our industries and we let them do it 
because out political class was either too corrupt or too stupid to realize 
what was happening, Solyndra being a good example.

In the meantime, no company in this country has ever had their CEO killed for 
some government violation whereas you toe the line in China or you get killed 
or jailed.  Hell, we don’t even convict them most of the time, no matter what 
laws they break, the banking crisis being a perfect example.  Most of those 
CEO’s walked away and kept most of the money they stole (not paranoia, fact and 
easily provable).  Even CEO’s involved in money laundering haven’t been touched 
for the most part.  That is one of the criminal relationships between Wall 
Street and the Government that really needs to be cleaned up.  The Justice 
Department needs to be independent of the President or any political party.   
Sadly, it’s not and the criminals just rotate through the White House.  If you 
want the best reason that I’m voting for Trump, this is it.  I hope his ego is 
enough to prove he isn’t corrupt.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview




But if you think that 99% of the companies in this country  have access to that 
data and are coordinated the same way that the Chinese government does it, then 
you are mistaken.  The Chinese target industries and then get everyone on 
board, multiple companies and agencies, with connections, financing, and 
patent/technical information.  We simply don’t do that as a country.  Yes, our 
government is now as corrupt as it’s ever been, yes it’s got a relationship 
with private industry and other governments that would have put people in jail 
for treason 50 years ago, but it’s that very fact that keeps that information 
within a few companies through secret government relationships, meaning it’s 
the exception, not the rule.  And it also means in some cases, it’s illegal and 
hopefully that is enough to stop it when it’s not in our national interest but 
simply in the interest of a specific company or person.Again, the 
difference between them and us.

--



I find the people of the world to be more alike than dis-alike. I find the Gov 
of the world to be more Alike than Dis-alike. If you think that the Chinese Gov 
has 99% of the companies under their thumbs in a coordinated way (I am taking 
an  implied position from your statement ) then you need to re-arrange your 
thinking.. and this is what I am calling FUD from you.



We are being played, just at different levels...that fact that you are trying 
to justify and downplay the corruption our system vs theirs, simply tells me 
that you are drinking the same koolaid that you are complaining about.







Paint the canvas any way you want but the rules and procedures are different.  
I suggest you get involved with civilian security programs and you will find 
that even that much information is more than you ever wanted to know and scary 
as hell.

Yes, canvas is different, and the paint colors are different, but the process 
of FUD is the same The world is a scary place if you want to be scared, and 
it is not scary at all if you don't have anything to be scared about !


-
Let me tell you something.. you should go and talk to migrants, of different 
types, from different places and you will see a very common pattern a Human 
Pattern emerge.. As I said earlier, I come from a family of Migrants, Three 
Generations of Migrants, the migration was done in/ from different parts of the 
world, and for different reasons... so granted my view on life is different

I can tell you one thing, the FUD you are buying into, and sharing is not 
unique to this time, nor our nation, nor any other nation... because we have 
seen this time and time again .
And that is the only reason why, I have a bit of an allergic reaction when 
someone lays it out in any forum...everytime I hear it or see it, I tell myself 
to walk away, but after a while it seeing it again and again it drags me back 
into such conversations as the one we are having now...

What is interesting and ironic about  the conversation we are having here, on 
this topic, is that I have the same conversations with the folks on the other 
side of the world, the only common element is FUD.

That is why I think one has to choose how they live...

   E

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Faisal Imtiaz]

 

But if you think that 99% of the companies in this country have access to that 
data and are coordinated the same way that the Chinese government does it, then 
you are mistaken. The Chinese target industries and then get everyone on board, 
multiple companies and agencies, with connections, financing, and 
patent/technical information. We simply don’t do that as a country. Yes, our 
government is now as corrupt as it’s ever been, yes it’s got a relationship 
with private industry and other governments that would have put people in jail 
for treason 50 years ago, but it’s that very fact that keeps that information 
within a few companies through secret government relationships, meaning it’s 
the exception, not the rule. And it also means in some cases, it’s illegal and 
hopefully that is enough to stop it when it’s not in our national interest but 
simply in the interest of a specific company or person. Again, the difference 
between them and us. 

-- 

I find the people of the world to be more alike than dis-alike. I find the Gov 
of the world to be more Alike than Dis-alike. If you think that the Chinese Gov 
has 99% of the companies under their thumbs in a coordinated way (I am taking 
an implied position from your statement ) then you need to re-arrange your 
thinking.. and this is what I am calling FUD from you. 

We are being played, just at different levels...that fact that you are trying 
to justify and downplay the corruption our system vs theirs, simply tells me 
that you are drinking the same koolaid that you are complaining about. 

Paint the canvas any way you want but the rules and procedures are different. I 
suggest you get involved with civilian security programs and you will find that 
even that much information is more than you ever wanted to know and scary as 
hell. 

Yes, canvas is different, and the paint colors are different, but the process 
of FUD is the same The world is a scary place if you want to be scared, and 
it is not scary at all if you don't have anything to be scared about ! 

- 
Let me tell you something.. you should go and talk to migrants, of different 
types, from different places and you will see a very common pattern a Human 
Pattern emerge.. As I said earlier, I come from a family of Migrants, Three 
Generations of Migrants, the migration was done in/ from different parts of the 
world, and for different reasons... so granted my view on life is different 

I can tell you one thing, the FUD you are buying into, and sharing is not 
unique to this time, nor our nation, nor any other nation... because we have 
seen this time and time again . 
And that is the only reason why, I have a bit of an allergic reaction when 
someone lays it out in any forum...everytime I hear it or see it, I tell myself 
to walk away, but after a while it seeing it again and again it drags me back 
into such conversations as the one we are having now... 

What is interesting and ironic about the conversation we are having here, on 
this topic, is that I have the same conversations with the folks on the other 
side of the world, the only common element is FUD. 

That is why I think one has to choose how they live... 

Either ... Stay Fearful or Stay un-afraid my friend... 
No one knows what life's next turn will bring, it not about having to look over 
your shoulder, it is all about the attitude that you carry, and it really helps 
to learn from the past and broaden one's outlook ! 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Rory Conaway" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 6:56:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

> No, not at all. There is official government policy and there is stuff that 
> goes
> on illegally or we are never told. For example, do you really think that there
> is a full firewall between the FBI, the NSA, and local law enforcement so they
> don’t get your personal information. Then we find out that even local law
> enforcement is collecting cell phone information. And there is a lot of really
> impressive drug busts that never get to court because local law-enforcement 
> can
> only say “they got a tip from an anonymous source”.

> But if you think that 99% of the companies in this country have access to that
> data and are coordinated the same way that the Chinese government does it, 
> then
> you are mistaken. The Chinese target industries and then get everyone on 
> board,
> multiple companies and agencies, with connections, financing, and
> patent/technical information. We simply don’t do that as a country. Yes, our
> government is now as corrupt as it’s ever been, yes it’s got a relatio

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Rory Conaway]

No, not at all.  There is official government policy and there is stuff that 
goes on illegally or we are never told.  For example, do you really think that 
there is a full firewall between the FBI, the NSA, and local law enforcement so 
they don’t get your personal information.  Then we find out that even local law 
enforcement is collecting cell phone information.  And there is a lot of really 
impressive drug busts that never get to court because local law-enforcement can 
only say “they got a tip from an anonymous source”.

But if you think that 99% of the companies in this country  have access to that 
data and are coordinated the same way that the Chinese government does it, then 
you are mistaken.  The Chinese target industries and then get everyone on 
board, multiple companies and agencies, with connections, financing, and 
patent/technical information.  We simply don’t do that as a country.  Yes, our 
government is now as corrupt as it’s ever been, yes it’s got a relationship 
with private industry and other governments that would have put people in jail 
for treason 50 years ago, but it’s that very fact that keeps that information 
within a few companies through secret government relationships, meaning it’s 
the exception, not the rule.  And it also means in some cases, it’s illegal and 
hopefully that is enough to stop it when it’s not in our national interest but 
simply in the interest of a specific company or person.Again, the 
difference between them and us.

Paint the canvas any way you want but the rules and procedures are different.  
I suggest you get involved with civilian security programs and you will find 
that even that much information is more than you ever wanted to know and scary 
as hell.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Rory,

Are you that Naive to think and believe that our Country, the standards bearer 
of the Capitalistic system in the World, behaves in the best interest of the 
Gov and Or the People ? and not in the Best Interest of the Corporate Economic 
Engine that drives everything ?

Dude, I am floored !

(p.s THe folks on the other side of the world are very fast learners... they 
see and they copy... not just tech but behavior too !)

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>


From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:35:17 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
Faisal, your analogy is not logical.  Huawei stole the technology to create 
their company.  I will not do business with thieves.  Who you do business with 
is up to you but it is also a reflection on your character and morality.

As for your paranoia part, you really don’t know all the facts about their 
strategy, the technological abilities when it comes to back doors and what we 
can and cannot detect.  Until you really know what’s happening and what the 
Chinese governmental strategy is concerning world domination, control of the 
infrastructure of its potential enemies, and how Huawei plays into that 
strategy, your conclusion is based on your personal beliefs, not facts.   Make 
no mistake, Huawei was created by the Chinese military and is part of a larger 
strategy.  To deny that is simply ignorance.

One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States spying 
was never historically done to enable an economic advantage, it was done for 
security reasons.  China and Japan sanctioned state sponsored thefts of patents 
and gave it to key industries.  I don’t believe Japan is doing that any more 
but in the 70’s and 80’s, they were as bad as China, just ask Catepillar.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat...

The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.Mimosa now has a 
team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm Moselems 
are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America.


Stay fearful my friend.

:)

Regards

Faisal

Sent from Mobile Device

 Original message 
From: Rory Conaway
Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I 
think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level, either 
hardware or software.  Besides the fact that they entire company is based on 
stolen property from day 1, the s

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Maybe because the real ones are also made in China ? 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 4:46:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

> Yes, back in 2007 when they were new I'd heard from a few US government 
> sources
> that there were chinese WIC and HWIC cards... Even rumors that the whole CIsco
> 2801/2811/2821 (which were pretty expensive new routers at that time) had been
> entirely copied by their Chinese contract manufacturer.

> I have never personally seen or heard of a higher-end counterfeit Cisco 
> linecard
> or module... Like, never heard of a counterfeit NPE-G2 or a WS-X6704 10GbE
> card.

> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote:

>> Agreed. I was just giving examples of “modules”.
>> Lots of Chisco WIC cards out there though.
>> From: Eric Kuhnke
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 2:02 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

>> I really doubt anyone is counterfeiting PA modules for the 7206VXR 
>> considering
>> how old the platform is.
>> On Mar 20, 2016 5:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > wrote:

>>> WIC, NM, PA, etc. Plug in card for a modular router.
>>> From: Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

>>> Define module?
>>> On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > wrote:

>>>> I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”. And if Cisco 
>>>> had a
>>>> problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for the 
>>>> used
>>>> gear. Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance contract 
>>>> just
>>>> so you can upgrade the SW.
>>>> What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are 
>>>> probably
>>>> counterfeit. Even if they are made from the same parts in the same factory.
>>>> From: Bruce Robertson
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>> I *never* *ever* did that.......

>>>> On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

>>>>> Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and
>>>>> registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more 
>>>>> expensive
>>>>> routers we deployed hmmm
>>>>> From: Eric Kuhnke
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>>> I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of
>>>>> telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling
>>>>> telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran:

>>>>> 1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way 
>>>>> to buy
>>>>> it from Dubai.

>>>>> 2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP gear 
>>>>> into
>>>>> Iran? There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up with 
>>>>> local
>>>>> Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how to run 
>>>>> Tor, how
>>>>> to get around government internet censorship, move VPN traffic through 
>>>>> their
>>>>> ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered media. The US 
>>>>> government has
>>>>> a whole Farsi language division funded from the Voice of America/BBG
>>>>> (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying to reach Iranians. There 
>>>>> are a
>>>>> shitload of Iranians that want to use Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, etc. More
>>>>> communication with the outside world is good.

>>>>> http://www.radiofarda.com/

>>>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 
>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's 
>>>>>> internet
>>>>>> snooping and repression, right?
>>>>>> O

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Ken Hohhof]

Cisco makes it tempting for the counterfeiters by selling $25 worth of parts 
for $500.  A whole router is probably more trouble to counterfeit for less 
profit.

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Yes, back in 2007 when they were new I'd heard from a few US government sources 
that there were chinese WIC and HWIC cards...  Even rumors that the whole CIsco 
2801/2811/2821 (which were pretty expensive new routers at that time) had been 
entirely copied by their Chinese contract manufacturer.


I have never personally seen or heard of a higher-end counterfeit Cisco 
linecard or module...  Like, never heard of a counterfeit NPE-G2 or a WS-X6704 
10GbE card.




On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Agreed.  I was just giving examples of “modules”.

  Lots of Chisco WIC cards out there though.


  From: Eric Kuhnke 
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 2:02 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  I really doubt anyone is counterfeiting PA modules for the 7206VXR 
considering how old the platform is.

  On Mar 20, 2016 5:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

WIC, NM, PA, etc.  Plug in card for a modular router.

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Define module?

On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”.  And if 
Cisco had a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract 
for the used gear.  Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance 
contract just so you can upgrade the SW.

  What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are 
probably counterfeit.  Even if they are made from the same parts in the same 
factory.


  From: Bruce Robertson 
  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  I *never* *ever* did that...


  On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and 
registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more expensive 
routers we deployed hmmm

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of 
telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling 
telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran:



1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a 
way to buy it from Dubai. 


2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP 
gear into Iran?  There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up 
with local Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how to 
run Tor, how to get around government internet censorship, move VPN traffic 
through their ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered media. The US 
government has a whole Farsi language division funded from the Voice of 
America/BBG (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying to reach Iranians. 
 There are a shitload of Iranians that want to use Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, 
etc.  More communication with the outside world is good.

http://www.radiofarda.com/




On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:

  You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's 
internet snooping and repression, right? 

  On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0

Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against 
Iran and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a 
little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that is 
clearly Huawei.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
    To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is 
indisputable.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
    Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview


Has anybody taken a look at the number of g

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Eric Kuhnke]

Yes, back in 2007 when they were new I'd heard from a few US government
sources that there were chinese WIC and HWIC cards...  Even rumors that the
whole CIsco 2801/2811/2821 (which were pretty expensive new routers at that
time) had been entirely copied by their Chinese contract manufacturer.

I have never personally seen or heard of a higher-end counterfeit Cisco
linecard or module...  Like, never heard of a counterfeit NPE-G2 or a
WS-X6704 10GbE card.



On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Agreed.  I was just giving examples of “modules”.
>
> Lots of Chisco WIC cards out there though.
>
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 2:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
> I really doubt anyone is counterfeiting PA modules for the 7206VXR
> considering how old the platform is.
> On Mar 20, 2016 5:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> WIC, NM, PA, etc.  Plug in card for a modular router.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>>
>> Define module?
>> On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”.  And if
>>> Cisco had a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet
>>> contract for the used gear.  Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW
>>> maintenance contract just so you can upgrade the SW.
>>>
>>> What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are
>>> probably counterfeit.  Even if they are made from the same parts in the
>>> same factory.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Bruce Robertson 
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>
>>> I *never* *ever* did that...
>>>
>>> On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and
>>> registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more
>>> expensive routers we deployed hmmm
>>>
>>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>
>>> I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of
>>> telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling
>>> telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran:
>>>
>>>
>>> 1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a
>>> way to buy it from Dubai.
>>>
>>> 2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP
>>> gear into Iran?  There's a very active community of Iranians who have come
>>> up with local Farsi language documents/training guides and information on
>>> how to run Tor, how to get around government internet censorship, move VPN
>>> traffic through their ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered
>>> media. The US government has a whole Farsi language division funded from
>>> the Voice of America/BBG (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying
>>> to reach Iranians.  There are a shitload of Iranians that want to use
>>> Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, etc.  More communication with the outside world
>>> is good.
>>>
>>> http://www.radiofarda.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds < 
>>> j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's
>>>> internet snooping and repression, right?
>>>> On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0
>>>>>
>>>>> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against
>>>>> Iran and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But
>>>>> it’s a little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed
>>>>> company that is clearly Huawei.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett 
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Ken Hohhof]

Agreed.  I was just giving examples of “modules”.

Lots of Chisco WIC cards out there though.


From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I really doubt anyone is counterfeiting PA modules for the 7206VXR considering 
how old the platform is.

On Mar 20, 2016 5:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  WIC, NM, PA, etc.  Plug in card for a modular router.

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  Define module?

  On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”.  And if Cisco 
had a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for the 
used gear.  Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance contract 
just so you can upgrade the SW.

What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are 
probably counterfeit.  Even if they are made from the same parts in the same 
factory.


From: Bruce Robertson 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I *never* *ever* did that...


On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and 
registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more expensive 
routers we deployed hmmm

  From: Eric Kuhnke 
  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of 
telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling 
telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran:



  1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way 
to buy it from Dubai. 


  2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP gear 
into Iran?  There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up with 
local Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how to run 
Tor, how to get around government internet censorship, move VPN traffic through 
their ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered media. The US 
government has a whole Farsi language division funded from the Voice of 
America/BBG (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying to reach Iranians. 
 There are a shitload of Iranians that want to use Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, 
etc.  More communication with the outside world is good.

  http://www.radiofarda.com/




  On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:

You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's 
internet snooping and repression, right? 

On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.

  
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0

  Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against 
Iran and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a 
little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that is 
clearly Huawei.


  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
      To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is 
indisputable.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Josh Reynolds" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview


  Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China 
has by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? 
Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in 
line with things the government as a whole says or does?

  You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was 
bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco 
which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and 
then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?

  I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything 
"bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. 
They have an incredible amount of data and control.

  What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products 
mid shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's th

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000796XXM/ref=pd_aw_sim_sbs_121_4?ie=UTF8&dpID=51LrKbS8ajL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL100_SR100%2C94_&refRID=1D7P8EXSA81VMW21P0RA
On Mar 21, 2016 3:01 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

>
> http://www.amazon.com/Passion-Natural-Water-Based-Lubricant-Gallon/dp/B005MR3IVO
>
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> These things were at the bottom of that link...
>>
>> (I'm such a child)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> > My local grocery store carries spotted dick in a can:
>> > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FP5K0U
>> >
>> > Take a look at Amazon's "customers who bought this also bought"
>> > recommendation.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
>> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:27 PM
>> >
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>> >
>> > Hey hey hey, there's nothing wrong with bangers and mash :(
>> >
>> > http://www.cookitsimply.com/recipe-0010-04s627.html :P
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Well, duh, that’s because fish-and-chips and curry are the only edible
>> >> foods
>> >> prepared in England.  Unless you consider things like toad-in-the-hole,
>> >> bubble-and-squeak, bangers-and-mash, and mushy peas edible.
>> >>
>> >> I am convinced it comes from the English disdain for anything French.
>> Good
>> >> food would seem too French.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:07 PM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>> >>
>> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/30926.stm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> :)
>> >>
>> >> Faisal Imtiaz
>> >> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> >> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> >> Miami, FL 33155
>> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> >>
>> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:56:03 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>> >>
>> >> Curry?
>> >>
>> >> Well, yeah... That's like, just your opinion, man.
>> >>
>> >> On Mar 21, 2016 12:18 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Oye, Gov everything is changing...
>> >>> Wat eef I said I like my scones with curry !
>> >>>
>> >>> that'll blow some minds !
>> >>>
>> >>> :)
>> >>>
>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> >>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> >>> Miami, FL 33155
>> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> >>>
>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> >>> To: af@afmug.com
>> >>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:09:21 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>> >>>
>> >>> The butter must be applied directly to a warm Scone.
>> >>> It melts and soaks in and waterproofs it so the jam and jelly don’t
>> get
>> >>> absorbed to make is soggy.
>> >>>
>> >>> This will not make me popular with my daughter and her family in
>> >>> Cornwall,
>> >>> but sometimes your kids are just plain wrong.
>> >>>
>> >>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> >>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:05 AM
>> >>> To: af@afmug.com
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>> >>>
>> >>> LOL !... and just for the record.. I like my scones with Heavy Butter,
>> >>> Jam
>> >>> and Jelly... in any order
>> >>>
>> >>> :)
>> >>>
>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> >>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> >>> Miami, FL 33155
>> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> >>>
>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> >>>
>> >>> 
>> >>>
>> >>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> >>> To: af@afmug.com
>> >>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:23:36 AM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>> >>>
>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz, the most interesting WISP in the world...
>> >>>
>> >>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> >>> Stay fearful my friend.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Eric Kuhnke]

http://www.amazon.com/Passion-Natural-Water-Based-Lubricant-Gallon/dp/B005MR3IVO

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> These things were at the bottom of that link...
>
> (I'm such a child)
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> > My local grocery store carries spotted dick in a can:
> > http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FP5K0U
> >
> > Take a look at Amazon's "customers who bought this also bought"
> > recommendation.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds
> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:27 PM
> >
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
> >
> > Hey hey hey, there's nothing wrong with bangers and mash :(
> >
> > http://www.cookitsimply.com/recipe-0010-04s627.html :P
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, duh, that’s because fish-and-chips and curry are the only edible
> >> foods
> >> prepared in England.  Unless you consider things like toad-in-the-hole,
> >> bubble-and-squeak, bangers-and-mash, and mushy peas edible.
> >>
> >> I am convinced it comes from the English disdain for anything French.
> Good
> >> food would seem too French.
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:07 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
> >>
> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/30926.stm
> >>
> >>
> >> :)
> >>
> >> Faisal Imtiaz
> >> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> >> 7266 SW 48 Street
> >> Miami, FL 33155
> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >>
> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:56:03 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
> >>
> >> Curry?
> >>
> >> Well, yeah... That's like, just your opinion, man.
> >>
> >> On Mar 21, 2016 12:18 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Oye, Gov everything is changing...
> >>> Wat eef I said I like my scones with curry !
> >>>
> >>> that'll blow some minds !
> >>>
> >>> :)
> >>>
> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> >>> 7266 SW 48 Street
> >>> Miami, FL 33155
> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >>>
> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> >>> To: af@afmug.com
> >>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:09:21 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
> >>>
> >>> The butter must be applied directly to a warm Scone.
> >>> It melts and soaks in and waterproofs it so the jam and jelly don’t get
> >>> absorbed to make is soggy.
> >>>
> >>> This will not make me popular with my daughter and her family in
> >>> Cornwall,
> >>> but sometimes your kids are just plain wrong.
> >>>
> >>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> >>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:05 AM
> >>> To: af@afmug.com
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
> >>>
> >>> LOL !... and just for the record.. I like my scones with Heavy Butter,
> >>> Jam
> >>> and Jelly... in any order
> >>>
> >>> :)
> >>>
> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> >>> 7266 SW 48 Street
> >>> Miami, FL 33155
> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >>>
> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> >>> To: af@afmug.com
> >>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:23:36 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
> >>>
> >>> Faisal Imtiaz, the most interesting WISP in the world...
> >>>
> >>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> >>> Stay fearful my friend.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Eric Kuhnke]

I really doubt anyone is counterfeiting PA modules for the 7206VXR
considering how old the platform is.
On Mar 20, 2016 5:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> WIC, NM, PA, etc.  Plug in card for a modular router.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds 
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
> Define module?
> On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”.  And if
>> Cisco had a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet
>> contract for the used gear.  Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW
>> maintenance contract just so you can upgrade the SW.
>>
>> What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are
>> probably counterfeit.  Even if they are made from the same parts in the
>> same factory.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bruce Robertson 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>> I *never* *ever* did that...
>>
>> On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and
>> registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more
>> expensive routers we deployed hmmm
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>> I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of
>> telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling
>> telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran:
>>
>>
>> 1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way
>> to buy it from Dubai.
>>
>> 2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP gear
>> into Iran?  There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up
>> with local Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how
>> to run Tor, how to get around government internet censorship, move VPN
>> traffic through their ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered
>> media. The US government has a whole Farsi language division funded from
>> the Voice of America/BBG (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying
>> to reach Iranians.  There are a shitload of Iranians that want to use
>> Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, etc.  More communication with the outside world
>> is good.
>>
>> http://www.radiofarda.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's
>>> internet snooping and repression, right?
>>> On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0
>>>>
>>>> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran
>>>> and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a
>>>> little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company
>>>> that is clearly Huawei.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett 
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>>
>>>> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is
>>>> indisputable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Jason McKemie]

Thai curry is pretty amazing IMO.

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Curry is gross.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ----------
> *From: *"Faisal Imtiaz" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, March 21, 2016 12:18:14 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> Oye, Gov everything is changing...
> Wat eef I said I like my scones with curry !
>
> that'll blow some minds !
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, March 21, 2016 1:09:21 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> The butter must be applied directly to a warm Scone.
> It melts and soaks in and waterproofs it so the jam and jelly don’t get
> absorbed to make is soggy.
>
> This will not make me popular with my daughter and her family in Cornwall,
> but sometimes your kids are just plain wrong.
>
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 11:05 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> LOL !... and just for the record.. I like my scones with Heavy Butter, Jam
> and Jelly... in any order
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, March 21, 2016 10:23:36 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> Faisal Imtiaz, the most interesting WISP in the world...
>
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz 
> Stay fearful my friend.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Bill Prince]

I had mushy peas. Once.

bp


On 3/21/2016 11:23 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Well, duh, that’s because fish-and-chips and curry are the only edible 
foods prepared in England.  Unless you consider things like 
toad-in-the-hole, bubble-and-squeak, bangers-and-mash, and mushy peas 
edible.
I am convinced it comes from the English disdain for anything French.  
Good food would seem too French.

*From:* Faisal Imtiaz <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 1:07 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/30926.stm
:)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


*From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, March 21, 2016 1:56:03 PM
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Curry?

Well, yeah... That's like, just your opinion, man.

On Mar 21, 2016 12:18 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:

Oye, Gov everything is changing...
Wat eef I said I like my scones with curry !
that'll blow some minds !
:)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Sent: *Monday, March 21, 2016 1:09:21 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

The butter must be applied directly to a warm Scone.
It melts and soaks in and waterproofs it so the jam and
jelly don’t get absorbed to make is soggy.
This will not make me popular with my daughter and her
family in Cornwall, but sometimes your kids are just plain
wrong.
*From:* Faisal Imtiaz <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 11:05 AM
    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
LOL !... and just for the record.. I like my scones with
Heavy Butter, Jam and Jelly... in any order
:)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2
or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Monday, March 21, 2016 10:23:36 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Faisal Imtiaz, the most interesting WISP in the world...
*From:* Faisal Imtiaz <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>
Stay fearful my friend.

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Mike Hammett]

Curry is gross. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:18:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview 



Oye, Gov everything is changing... 
Wat eef I said I like my scones with curry ! 


that'll blow some minds ! 


:) 


Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

- Original Message -



From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:09:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview 








The butter must be applied directly to a warm Scone. 
It melts and soaks in and waterproofs it so the jam and jelly don’t get 
absorbed to make is soggy. 

This will not make me popular with my daughter and her family in Cornwall, but 
sometimes your kids are just plain wrong. 




From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:05 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview 



LOL !... and just for the record.. I like my scones with Heavy Butter, Jam and 
Jelly... in any order 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
- Original Message -



From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:23:36 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview 








Faisal Imtiaz, the most interesting WISP in the world... 




From: Faisal Imtiaz 

Stay fearful my friend. 

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Ken Hohhof]

My local grocery store carries spotted dick in a can:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FP5K0U

Take a look at Amazon's "customers who bought this also bought" 
recommendation.



-Original Message- 
From: Josh Reynolds

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Hey hey hey, there's nothing wrong with bangers and mash :(

http://www.cookitsimply.com/recipe-0010-04s627.html :P

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
Well, duh, that’s because fish-and-chips and curry are the only edible 
foods

prepared in England.  Unless you consider things like toad-in-the-hole,
bubble-and-squeak, bangers-and-mash, and mushy peas edible.

I am convinced it comes from the English disdain for anything French. 
Good

food would seem too French.


From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/30926.stm


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:56:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Curry?

Well, yeah... That's like, just your opinion, man.

On Mar 21, 2016 12:18 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  
wrote:


Oye, Gov everything is changing...
Wat eef I said I like my scones with curry !

that'll blow some minds !

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:09:21 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

The butter must be applied directly to a warm Scone.
It melts and soaks in and waterproofs it so the jam and jelly don’t get
absorbed to make is soggy.

This will not make me popular with my daughter and her family in 
Cornwall,

but sometimes your kids are just plain wrong.

From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

LOL !... and just for the record.. I like my scones with Heavy Butter, 
Jam

and Jelly... in any order

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:23:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Faisal Imtiaz, the most interesting WISP in the world...

From: Faisal Imtiaz
Stay fearful my friend.

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Chuck McCown]

I like mushy peas.  Fresh off-the-boat North Atlantic cod fish and chips are 
the best.  I’ll be having some late summer.  Have to go to Cornwall for a 
grandson’s baptism.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Well, duh, that’s because fish-and-chips and curry are the only edible foods 
prepared in England.  Unless you consider things like toad-in-the-hole, 
bubble-and-squeak, bangers-and-mash, and mushy peas edible.

I am convinced it comes from the English disdain for anything French.  Good 
food would seem too French.


From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/30926.stm


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Josh Reynolds" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:56:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  Curry?

  Well, yeah... That's like, just your opinion, man.

  On Mar 21, 2016 12:18 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

Oye, Gov everything is changing... 
Wat eef I said I like my scones with curry !

that'll blow some minds !

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:09:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  The butter must be applied directly to a warm Scone. 
  It melts and soaks in and waterproofs it so the jam and jelly don’t get 
absorbed to make is soggy.

  This will not make me popular with my daughter and her family in 
Cornwall, but sometimes your kids are just plain wrong. 

  From: Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:05 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  LOL !... and just for the record.. I like my scones with Heavy Butter, 
Jam and Jelly... in any order

  :)

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:23:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Faisal Imtiaz, the most interesting WISP in the world...

From: Faisal Imtiaz
Stay fearful my friend.

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

Hey hey hey, there's nothing wrong with bangers and mash :(

http://www.cookitsimply.com/recipe-0010-04s627.html :P

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> Well, duh, that’s because fish-and-chips and curry are the only edible foods
> prepared in England.  Unless you consider things like toad-in-the-hole,
> bubble-and-squeak, bangers-and-mash, and mushy peas edible.
>
> I am convinced it comes from the English disdain for anything French.  Good
> food would seem too French.
>
>
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:07 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/30926.stm
>
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> 
>
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:56:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> Curry?
>
> Well, yeah... That's like, just your opinion, man.
>
> On Mar 21, 2016 12:18 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>>
>> Oye, Gov everything is changing...
>> Wat eef I said I like my scones with curry !
>>
>> that'll blow some minds !
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> 
>>
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:09:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>> The butter must be applied directly to a warm Scone.
>> It melts and soaks in and waterproofs it so the jam and jelly don’t get
>> absorbed to make is soggy.
>>
>> This will not make me popular with my daughter and her family in Cornwall,
>> but sometimes your kids are just plain wrong.
>>
>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:05 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>> LOL !... and just for the record.. I like my scones with Heavy Butter, Jam
>> and Jelly... in any order
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> 
>>
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:23:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz, the most interesting WISP in the world...
>>
>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> Stay fearful my friend.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Ken Hohhof]

Well, duh, that’s because fish-and-chips and curry are the only edible foods 
prepared in England.  Unless you consider things like toad-in-the-hole, 
bubble-and-squeak, bangers-and-mash, and mushy peas edible.

I am convinced it comes from the English disdain for anything French.  Good 
food would seem too French.


From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/30926.stm


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Josh Reynolds" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:56:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  Curry?

  Well, yeah... That's like, just your opinion, man.

  On Mar 21, 2016 12:18 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

Oye, Gov everything is changing... 
Wat eef I said I like my scones with curry !

that'll blow some minds !

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:09:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  The butter must be applied directly to a warm Scone. 
  It melts and soaks in and waterproofs it so the jam and jelly don’t get 
absorbed to make is soggy.

  This will not make me popular with my daughter and her family in 
Cornwall, but sometimes your kids are just plain wrong. 

  From: Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:05 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  LOL !... and just for the record.. I like my scones with Heavy Butter, 
Jam and Jelly... in any order

  :)

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:23:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Faisal Imtiaz, the most interesting WISP in the world...

From: Faisal Imtiaz
Stay fearful my friend.

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

*sigh*

I need to go back to England sometime soon. I have a cousin that's a
professor there.

I miss the pubs, the architecture, the history, the fish and chips... The
curry was pretty good too ;)
On Mar 21, 2016 1:07 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/30926.stm
>
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, March 21, 2016 1:56:03 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> Curry?
>
> Well, yeah... That's like, just your opinion, man.
> On Mar 21, 2016 12:18 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
> wrote:
>
>> Oye, Gov everything is changing...
>> Wat eef I said I like my scones with curry !
>>
>> that'll blow some minds !
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, March 21, 2016 1:09:21 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>> The butter must be applied directly to a warm Scone.
>> It melts and soaks in and waterproofs it so the jam and jelly don’t get
>> absorbed to make is soggy.
>>
>> This will not make me popular with my daughter and her family in
>> Cornwall, but sometimes your kids are just plain wrong.
>>
>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz 
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 11:05 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>> LOL !... and just for the record.. I like my scones with Heavy Butter,
>> Jam and Jelly... in any order....
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, March 21, 2016 10:23:36 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz, the most interesting WISP in the world...
>>
>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz 
>> Stay fearful my friend.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Faisal Imtiaz]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/30926.stm 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:56:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

> Curry?

> Well, yeah... That's like, just your opinion, man.
> On Mar 21, 2016 12:18 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:

>> Oye, Gov everything is changing...
>> Wat eef I said I like my scones with curry !

>> that'll blow some minds !

>> :)

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:09:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

>>> The butter must be applied directly to a warm Scone.
>>> It melts and soaks in and waterproofs it so the jam and jelly don’t get 
>>> absorbed
>>> to make is soggy.
>>> This will not make me popular with my daughter and her family in Cornwall, 
>>> but
>>> sometimes your kids are just plain wrong.
>>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:05 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>> LOL !... and just for the record.. I like my scones with Heavy Butter, Jam 
>>> and
>>> Jelly... in any order
>>> :)
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>>> From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com >
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:23:36 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

>>>> Faisal Imtiaz, the most interesting WISP in the world...
>>>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>>>> Stay fearful my friend.

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

Curry?

Well, yeah... That's like, just your opinion, man.
On Mar 21, 2016 12:18 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> Oye, Gov everything is changing...
> Wat eef I said I like my scones with curry !
>
> that'll blow some minds !
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, March 21, 2016 1:09:21 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> The butter must be applied directly to a warm Scone.
> It melts and soaks in and waterproofs it so the jam and jelly don’t get
> absorbed to make is soggy.
>
> This will not make me popular with my daughter and her family in Cornwall,
> but sometimes your kids are just plain wrong.
>
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 11:05 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> LOL !... and just for the record.. I like my scones with Heavy Butter, Jam
> and Jelly... in any order
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, March 21, 2016 10:23:36 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> Faisal Imtiaz, the most interesting WISP in the world...
>
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz 
> Stay fearful my friend.
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Oye, Gov everything is changing... 
Wat eef I said I like my scones with curry ! 

that'll blow some minds ! 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 1:09:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

> The butter must be applied directly to a warm Scone.
> It melts and soaks in and waterproofs it so the jam and jelly don’t get 
> absorbed
> to make is soggy.
> This will not make me popular with my daughter and her family in Cornwall, but
> sometimes your kids are just plain wrong.
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:05 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
> LOL !... and just for the record.. I like my scones with Heavy Butter, Jam and
> Jelly... in any order
> :)
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:23:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

>> Faisal Imtiaz, the most interesting WISP in the world...
>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> Stay fearful my friend.

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Rory, 

Are you that Naive to think and believe that our Country, the standards bearer 
of the Capitalistic system in the World, behaves in the best interest of the 
Gov and Or the People ? and not in the Best Interest of the Corporate Economic 
Engine that drives everything ? 

Dude, I am floored ! 

(p.s THe folks on the other side of the world are very fast learners... they 
see and they copy... not just tech but behavior too !) 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Rory Conaway" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:35:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

> Faisal, your analogy is not logical. Huawei stole the technology to create 
> their
> company. I will not do business with thieves. Who you do business with is up 
> to
> you but it is also a reflection on your character and morality.

> As for your paranoia part, you really don’t know all the facts about their
> strategy, the technological abilities when it comes to back doors and what we
> can and cannot detect. Until you really know what’s happening and what the
> Chinese governmental strategy is concerning world domination, control of the
> infrastructure of its potential enemies, and how Huawei plays into that
> strategy, your conclusion is based on your personal beliefs, not facts. Make 
> no
> mistake, Huawei was created by the Chinese military and is part of a larger
> strategy. To deny that is simply ignorance.

> One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States spying 
> was
> never historically done to enable an economic advantage, it was done for
> security reasons. China and Japan sanctioned state sponsored thefts of patents
> and gave it to key industries. I don’t believe Japan is doing that any more 
> but
> in the 70’s and 80’s, they were as bad as China, just ask Catepillar.

> Rory

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:31 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

> Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat...

> The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.Mimosa now has a 
> team
> of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm Moselems are
> putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America.

> Stay fearful my friend.

> :)

> Regards

> Faisal

> Sent from Mobile Device

> ---- Original message 

> From: Rory Conaway

> Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00)

> To: af@afmug.com

> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

> I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I 
> think
> the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level, either
> hardware or software. Besides the fact that they entire company is based on
> stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is whether or not
> they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell. Only Patrick Leary can
> answer that. I suggest he step in to clarify this.

> Rory

> From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

> Gotta love these conversations...

> What was the original topic ?

> Ahhh... Baicells a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge entrance in 
> the
> WISP Market Space who is just starting to establish themselves in the US,
> and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks in the Community
> !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of a Dream Team being put together.

> To start throwing mud or imply any FUD, just because they are a Chinese 
> Company
> would be a mistake I took a look at the Bio of the founders, and the fact
> that their founder are not some corporate yo yo's looking to make some $$, but
> one of serious engineering backgrounds actively participating in the LTE
> Standards committee (Global entity).. says a lot to me...

> I am looking forward to some interesting and exciting times in the WISP 
> futures
> ahead ! Time to grow up into serious operators !

> :)

> Best of Luck Everyone !

> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com >
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:18:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>> Ah okay. Had no idea such a thing existed.

>> On Mar 20, 2

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Chuck McCown]

The butter must be applied directly to a warm Scone.  
It melts and soaks in and waterproofs it so the jam and jelly don’t get 
absorbed to make is soggy. 

This will not make me popular with my daughter and her family in Cornwall, but 
sometimes your kids are just plain wrong.  

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 11:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

LOL !... and just for the record.. I like my scones with Heavy Butter, Jam and 
Jelly... in any order

:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:23:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  Faisal Imtiaz, the most interesting WISP in the world...

  From: Faisal Imtiaz
  Stay fearful my friend.

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Faisal Imtiaz]

LOL !... and just for the record.. I like my scones with Heavy Butter, Jam and 
Jelly... in any order 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 10:23:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

> Faisal Imtiaz, the most interesting WISP in the world...
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Stay fearful my friend.

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Faisal Imtiaz]

>>> being suspicious of a company because they have a possible association with 
>>> a known thief 

I thought this was collectively covered and agreed that they ALL are 
thieves...so why pick on only one of them ? 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jason McKemie" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:48:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

> Being suspicious of a company because they have a possible association with a
> known thief is very different from blind suspicion based on religion.

> On Monday, March 21, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:

>> Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat...

>> The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.Mimosa now has a 
>> team
>> of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm Moselems are
>> putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America.

>> Stay fearful my friend.

>> :)

>> Regards
>> Faisal

>> Sent from Mobile Device

>>  Original message 
>> From: Rory Conaway
>> Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

>> I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I 
>> think
>> the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level, either
>> hardware or software. Besides the fact that they entire company is based on
>> stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is whether or not
>> they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell. Only Patrick Leary can
>> answer that. I suggest he step in to clarify this.

>> Rory

>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

>> Gotta love these conversations...

>> What was the original topic ?

>> Ahhh... Baicells a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge entrance in 
>> the
>> WISP Market Space who is just starting to establish themselves in the US,
>> and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks in the Community
>> !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of a Dream Team being put together.

>> To start throwing mud or imply any FUD, just because they are a Chinese 
>> Company
>> would be a mistake I took a look at the Bio of the founders, and the fact
>> that their founder are not some corporate yo yo's looking to make some $$, 
>> but
>> one of serious engineering backgrounds actively participating in the LTE
>> Standards committee (Global entity).. says a lot to me...

>> I am looking forward to some interesting and exciting times in the WISP 
>> futures
>> ahead ! Time to grow up into serious operators !

>> :)

>> Best of Luck Everyone !

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:18:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>> Ah okay. Had no idea such a thing existed.

>>> On Mar 20, 2016 7:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > wrote:

>>> WIC, NM, PA, etc. Plug in card for a modular router.

>>> From: Josh Reynolds

>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM

>>> To: af@afmug.com

>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

>>> Define module?

>>> On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > wrote:

>>> I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”. And if Cisco 
>>> had a
>>> problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for the 
>>> used
>>> gear. Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance contract 
>>> just
>>> so you can upgrade the SW.

>>> What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are 
>>> probably
>>> counterfeit. Even if they are made from the same parts in the same factory.

>>> From: Bruce Robertson

>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM

>>> To: af@afmug.com

>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

>>> I *never* *ever* did that...

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Stefan Englhardt]

And US Rocket Science is based on Nazi-Knowhow …

So go up and remove this flag from the moon. It is based on blood and cruelty :)





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown
Gesendet: Montag, 21. März 2016 16:25
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview



I am not going to buy any more Bayer aspirin.  They invented Heroin you know 
and fueled the  Nazis...



From: Stefan Englhardt <mailto:s...@genias.net>

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview



There are many companies where there are really dark points in history. Here in 
Germany every company older than 70

years has their story to tell …

CIA/NSA does spy for american companies. There are known cases where this was 
used to win international call for bids.

And for sure a lot of cases are not known.



http://www.derwesten.de/staedte/essen/der-us-geheimdienst-spaehte-auch-ferrostaal-aus-id8895036.html

The US-Company got the details of the offer of the competing company. This was 
disclosed by Snowden years after

the event.



So dont throw to many stones at others ;-)).





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway
Gesendet: Montag, 21. März 2016 15:35
An: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview



Faisal, your analogy is not logical.  Huawei stole the technology to create 
their company.  I will not do business with thieves.  Who you do business with 
is up to you but it is also a reflection on your character and morality.



As for your paranoia part, you really don’t know all the facts about their 
strategy, the technological abilities when it comes to back doors and what we 
can and cannot detect.  Until you really know what’s happening and what the 
Chinese governmental strategy is concerning world domination, control of the 
infrastructure of its potential enemies, and how Huawei plays into that 
strategy, your conclusion is based on your personal beliefs, not facts.   Make 
no mistake, Huawei was created by the Chinese military and is part of a larger 
strategy.  To deny that is simply ignorance.



One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States spying 
was never historically done to enable an economic advantage, it was done for 
security reasons.  China and Japan sanctioned state sponsored thefts of patents 
and gave it to key industries.  I don’t believe Japan is doing that any more 
but in the 70’s and 80’s, they were as bad as China, just ask Catepillar.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview



Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat...



The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.Mimosa now has a 
team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm Moselems 
are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America.





Stay fearful my friend.



:)



Regards



Faisal



Sent from Mobile Device



 Original message 

From: Rory Conaway

Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00)

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview



I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I 
think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level, either 
hardware or software.  Besides the fact that they entire company is based on 
stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is whether or not 
they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell.  Only Patrick Leary can 
answer that.  I suggest he step in to clarify this.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview



Gotta love these conversations...



What was the original topic ?



Ahhh... Baicells a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge entrance in 
the  WISP Market Space who is just starting to establish themselves in the 
US, and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks in the 
Community !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of a Dream Team being put 
together.



To start throwing mud or imply any FUD, just because they are a Chinese Company 
would be a mistake I took a look at the Bio of the founders, and the fact 
that their founder are not some corporate yo yo's looking to make some $$, but 
one of serious engineering backgrounds actively participating in the LTE 
Standards committee (Global entity).. says a lot to me...



I am looking forward to some interesting and exciting times in the WISP futures 
ahead ! Time to grow up into serious operators !





:)



Best of Luck Everyone !





Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Chuck McCown]

I am not going to buy any more Bayer aspirin.  They invented Heroin you know 
and fueled the  Nazis...

From: Stefan Englhardt 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

There are many companies where there are really dark points in history. Here in 
Germany every company older than 70

years has their story to tell …

CIA/NSA does spy for american companies. There are known cases where this was 
used to win international call for bids.

And for sure a lot of cases are not known.

 

http://www.derwesten.de/staedte/essen/der-us-geheimdienst-spaehte-auch-ferrostaal-aus-id8895036.html

The US-Company got the details of the offer of the competing company. This was 
disclosed by Snowden years after

the event.

 

So dont throw to many stones at others ;-)).

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway
Gesendet: Montag, 21. März 2016 15:35
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

 

Faisal, your analogy is not logical.  Huawei stole the technology to create 
their company.  I will not do business with thieves.  Who you do business with 
is up to you but it is also a reflection on your character and morality.

 

As for your paranoia part, you really don’t know all the facts about their 
strategy, the technological abilities when it comes to back doors and what we 
can and cannot detect.  Until you really know what’s happening and what the 
Chinese governmental strategy is concerning world domination, control of the 
infrastructure of its potential enemies, and how Huawei plays into that 
strategy, your conclusion is based on your personal beliefs, not facts.   Make 
no mistake, Huawei was created by the Chinese military and is part of a larger 
strategy.  To deny that is simply ignorance. 

 

One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States spying 
was never historically done to enable an economic advantage, it was done for 
security reasons.  China and Japan sanctioned state sponsored thefts of patents 
and gave it to key industries.  I don’t believe Japan is doing that any more 
but in the 70’s and 80’s, they were as bad as China, just ask Catepillar.  

 

Rory 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

 

Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat...

 

The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.Mimosa now has a 
team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm Moselems 
are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America.

 

 

Stay fearful my friend.

 

:)

 

Regards

 

Faisal

 

Sent from Mobile Device

 

 Original message 

From: Rory Conaway 

Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00) 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview 

 

I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I 
think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level, either 
hardware or software.  Besides the fact that they entire company is based on 
stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is whether or not 
they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell.  Only Patrick Leary can 
answer that.  I suggest he step in to clarify this.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

 

Gotta love these conversations... 

 

What was the original topic ? 

 

Ahhh... Baicells a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge entrance in 
the  WISP Market Space who is just starting to establish themselves in the 
US, and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks in the 
Community !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of a Dream Team being put 
together.

 

To start throwing mud or imply any FUD, just because they are a Chinese Company 
would be a mistake I took a look at the Bio of the founders, and the fact 
that their founder are not some corporate yo yo's looking to make some $$, but 
one of serious engineering backgrounds actively participating in the LTE 
Standards committee (Global entity).. says a lot to me...

 

I am looking forward to some interesting and exciting times in the WISP futures 
ahead ! Time to grow up into serious operators !

 

 

:)

 

Best of Luck Everyone !

 

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 




  From: "Josh Reynolds" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:18:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  Ah okay. Had no idea such a thing existed.

  On Mar 20, 2016 7:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" 

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Stefan Englhardt]

There are many companies where there are really dark points in history. Here in 
Germany every company older than 70

years has their story to tell …

CIA/NSA does spy for american companies. There are known cases where this was 
used to win international call for bids.

And for sure a lot of cases are not known.



http://www.derwesten.de/staedte/essen/der-us-geheimdienst-spaehte-auch-ferrostaal-aus-id8895036.html

The US-Company got the details of the offer of the competing company. This was 
disclosed by Snowden years after

the event.



So dont throw to many stones at others ;-)).





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway
Gesendet: Montag, 21. März 2016 15:35
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview



Faisal, your analogy is not logical.  Huawei stole the technology to create 
their company.  I will not do business with thieves.  Who you do business with 
is up to you but it is also a reflection on your character and morality.



As for your paranoia part, you really don’t know all the facts about their 
strategy, the technological abilities when it comes to back doors and what we 
can and cannot detect.  Until you really know what’s happening and what the 
Chinese governmental strategy is concerning world domination, control of the 
infrastructure of its potential enemies, and how Huawei plays into that 
strategy, your conclusion is based on your personal beliefs, not facts.   Make 
no mistake, Huawei was created by the Chinese military and is part of a larger 
strategy.  To deny that is simply ignorance.



One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States spying 
was never historically done to enable an economic advantage, it was done for 
security reasons.  China and Japan sanctioned state sponsored thefts of patents 
and gave it to key industries.  I don’t believe Japan is doing that any more 
but in the 70’s and 80’s, they were as bad as China, just ask Catepillar.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview



Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat...



The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.Mimosa now has a 
team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm Moselems 
are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America.





Stay fearful my friend.



:)



Regards



Faisal



Sent from Mobile Device



 Original message 

From: Rory Conaway

Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00)

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview



I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I 
think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level, either 
hardware or software.  Besides the fact that they entire company is based on 
stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is whether or not 
they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell.  Only Patrick Leary can 
answer that.  I suggest he step in to clarify this.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview



Gotta love these conversations...



What was the original topic ?



Ahhh... Baicells a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge entrance in 
the  WISP Market Space who is just starting to establish themselves in the 
US, and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks in the 
Community !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of a Dream Team being put 
together.



To start throwing mud or imply any FUD, just because they are a Chinese Company 
would be a mistake I took a look at the Bio of the founders, and the fact 
that their founder are not some corporate yo yo's looking to make some $$, but 
one of serious engineering backgrounds actively participating in the LTE 
Standards committee (Global entity).. says a lot to me...



I am looking forward to some interesting and exciting times in the WISP futures 
ahead ! Time to grow up into serious operators !





:)



Best of Luck Everyone !





Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>



  _

From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:18:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Ah okay. Had no idea such a thing existed.

On Mar 20, 2016 7:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
> wrote:



WIC, NM, PA, etc.  Plug in card for a modular router.



From: Josh Reynolds <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>

Sent: Su

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Justin Wilson]

Rory,
Can someone post links to court cases where Huawei was convicted of stealing 
the technology? Was their a court case/lawsuit which was won? I would like to 
read up on this. I see some links in a wikipedia article about stolen code and 
what not.  

Does this mean you don’t use Samsung for the same reasons because of their code 
disputes with Apple?


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Mar 21, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> 
> "One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States spying 
> was never historically done to enable an economic advantage"
> 
> Yes, that might have been the case once upon a time...
> 
> Sadly that's not the case anymore. Maybe not so sadly I guess, as it helps 
> level the playing field (as long as you're a member of the club).
> 
> "These have led to accusations that the U.S. is engaged in industrial 
> espionage, using the spying capacities of intelligence agencies to gain an 
> economic edge, instead of fighting terrorists."
> http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/america-as-economic-spy-n_b_4190948.html 
> <http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/america-as-economic-spy-n_b_4190948.html>
> https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use-economic-espionage-benefit-american-corporations/
>  
> <https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use-economic-espionage-benefit-american-corporations/>
> (There are other sources, I just snagged a quick few).
> 
> On Mar 21, 2016 9:35 AM, "Rory Conaway"  <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
> Faisal, your analogy is not logical.  Huawei stole the technology to create 
> their company.  I will not do business with thieves.  Who you do business 
> with is up to you but it is also a reflection on your character and morality.
> 
>  
> 
> As for your paranoia part, you really don’t know all the facts about their 
> strategy, the technological abilities when it comes to back doors and what we 
> can and cannot detect.  Until you really know what’s happening and what the 
> Chinese governmental strategy is concerning world domination, control of the 
> infrastructure of its potential enemies, and how Huawei plays into that 
> strategy, your conclusion is based on your personal beliefs, not facts.   
> Make no mistake, Huawei was created by the Chinese military and is part of a 
> larger strategy.  To deny that is simply ignorance. 
> 
>  
> 
> One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States spying 
> was never historically done to enable an economic advantage, it was done for 
> security reasons.  China and Japan sanctioned state sponsored thefts of 
> patents and gave it to key industries.  I don’t believe Japan is doing that 
> any more but in the 70’s and 80’s, they were as bad as China, just ask 
> Catepillar. 
> 
>  
> 
> Rory
> 
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:31 AM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
> 
>  
> 
> Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat...
> 
>  
> 
> The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.Mimosa now has a 
> team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm Moselems 
> are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Stay fearful my friend.
> 
>  
> 
> :)
> 
>  
> 
> Regards
> 
>  
> 
> Faisal
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from Mobile Device
> 
>  
> 
>  Original message 
> 
> From: Rory Conaway
> 
> Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00)
> 
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
> 
>  
> 
> I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I 
> think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level, either 
> hardware or software.  Besides the fact that they entire company is based on 
> stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is whether or not 
> they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell.  Only Patrick Leary can 
> answer that.  I suggest he step in to clarify this.
> 
>  
> 
> Rory
> 
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

It would be in our best short term economic and national defense interests
for us to do the same, however we should be wary of how this will effect
relationships with other nations and impact long term economic objectives
as well.
On Mar 21, 2016 9:59 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> Sort of.  It’s still not that cut and dry though.  This espionage is till
> defense related as opposed to the broad spectrum of simple economic theft.
> At this point though, until we can close the security loopholes of $500B
> dollars of intellectual theft a year by the Chinese, we don’t have a lot of
> options.  Kind of like, they started it and now we have no choice.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 7:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
>
> "One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States
> spying was never historically done to enable an economic advantage"
>
> Yes, that might have been the case once upon a time...
>
> Sadly that's not the case anymore. Maybe not so sadly I guess, as it helps
> level the playing field (as long as you're a member of the club).
>
> "These have led to accusations that the U.S. is engaged in industrial
> espionage, using the spying capacities of intelligence agencies to gain an
> economic edge, instead of fighting terrorists."
> http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/america-as-economic-spy-n_b_4190948.html
>
>
> https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use-economic-espionage-benefit-american-corporations/
>
> (There are other sources, I just snagged a quick few).
>
> On Mar 21, 2016 9:35 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> Faisal, your analogy is not logical.  Huawei stole the technology to
> create their company.  I will not do business with thieves.  Who you do
> business with is up to you but it is also a reflection on your character
> and morality.
>
>
>
> As for your paranoia part, you really don’t know all the facts about their
> strategy, the technological abilities when it comes to back doors and what
> we can and cannot detect.  Until you really know what’s happening and what
> the Chinese governmental strategy is concerning world domination, control
> of the infrastructure of its potential enemies, and how Huawei plays into
> that strategy, your conclusion is based on your personal beliefs, not
> facts.   Make no mistake, Huawei was created by the Chinese military and is
> part of a larger strategy.  To deny that is simply ignorance.
>
>
>
> One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States
> spying was never historically done to enable an economic advantage, it was
> done for security reasons.  China and Japan sanctioned state sponsored
> thefts of patents and gave it to key industries.  I don’t believe Japan is
> doing that any more but in the 70’s and 80’s, they were as bad as China,
> just ask Catepillar.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 5:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
>
> Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat...
>
>
>
> The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.Mimosa now has
> a team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm
> Moselems are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America.
>
>
>
>
>
> Stay fearful my friend.
>
>
>
> :)
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Faisal
>
>
>
> Sent from Mobile Device
>
>
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: Rory Conaway
>
> Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
>
> I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I
> think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level,
> either hardware or software.  Besides the fact that they entire company is
> based on stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is
> whether or not they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell.  Only
> Patrick Leary can answer that.  I suggest he step in to clarify this.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
>
> Gotta love these conversations...
>
>
>
> What was the original topic ?
>
>
>
> Ahhh... Baicells 

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Rory Conaway]

Sort of.  It’s still not that cut and dry though.  This espionage is till 
defense related as opposed to the broad spectrum of simple economic theft.  At 
this point though, until we can close the security loopholes of $500B dollars 
of intellectual theft a year by the Chinese, we don’t have a lot of options.  
Kind of like, they started it and now we have no choice.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 7:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview


"One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States spying 
was never historically done to enable an economic advantage"

Yes, that might have been the case once upon a time...

Sadly that's not the case anymore. Maybe not so sadly I guess, as it helps 
level the playing field (as long as you're a member of the club).

"These have led to accusations that the U.S. is engaged in industrial 
espionage, using the spying capacities of intelligence agencies to gain an 
economic edge, instead of fighting terrorists."
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/america-as-economic-spy-n_b_4190948.html

https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use-economic-espionage-benefit-american-corporations/

(There are other sources, I just snagged a quick few).
On Mar 21, 2016 9:35 AM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Faisal, your analogy is not logical.  Huawei stole the technology to create 
their company.  I will not do business with thieves.  Who you do business with 
is up to you but it is also a reflection on your character and morality.

As for your paranoia part, you really don’t know all the facts about their 
strategy, the technological abilities when it comes to back doors and what we 
can and cannot detect.  Until you really know what’s happening and what the 
Chinese governmental strategy is concerning world domination, control of the 
infrastructure of its potential enemies, and how Huawei plays into that 
strategy, your conclusion is based on your personal beliefs, not facts.   Make 
no mistake, Huawei was created by the Chinese military and is part of a larger 
strategy.  To deny that is simply ignorance.

One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States spying 
was never historically done to enable an economic advantage, it was done for 
security reasons.  China and Japan sanctioned state sponsored thefts of patents 
and gave it to key industries.  I don’t believe Japan is doing that any more 
but in the 70’s and 80’s, they were as bad as China, just ask Catepillar.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat...

The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.Mimosa now has a 
team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm Moselems 
are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America.


Stay fearful my friend.

:)

Regards

Faisal

Sent from Mobile Device

 Original message 
From: Rory Conaway
Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I 
think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level, either 
hardware or software.  Besides the fact that they entire company is based on 
stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is whether or not 
they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell.  Only Patrick Leary can 
answer that.  I suggest he step in to clarify this.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Gotta love these conversations...

What was the original topic ?

Ahhh... Baicells a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge entrance in 
the  WISP Market Space who is just starting to establish themselves in the 
US, and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks in the 
Community !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of a Dream Team being put 
together.

To start throwing mud or imply any FUD, just because they are a Chinese Company 
would be a mistake I took a look at the Bio of the founders, and the fact 
that their founder are not some corporate yo yo's looking to make some $$, but 
one of serious engineering backgrounds actively participating in the LTE 
Standards committee (Global entity).. says a lot to me...

I am looking forward to some interesting and exciting times in the WISP futures 
ahead ! Time to grow up into serious operators !


:)

Best of Luck Everyone !


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Interne

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

"One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States
spying was never historically done to enable an economic advantage"

Yes, that might have been the case once upon a time...

Sadly that's not the case anymore. Maybe not so sadly I guess, as it helps
level the playing field (as long as you're a member of the club).

"These have led to accusations that the U.S. is engaged in industrial
espionage, using the spying capacities of intelligence agencies to gain an
economic edge, instead of fighting terrorists."
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/america-as-economic-spy-n_b_4190948.html

https://theintercept.com/2014/09/05/us-governments-plans-use-economic-espionage-benefit-american-corporations/

(There are other sources, I just snagged a quick few).
On Mar 21, 2016 9:35 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> Faisal, your analogy is not logical.  Huawei stole the technology to
> create their company.  I will not do business with thieves.  Who you do
> business with is up to you but it is also a reflection on your character
> and morality.
>
>
>
> As for your paranoia part, you really don’t know all the facts about their
> strategy, the technological abilities when it comes to back doors and what
> we can and cannot detect.  Until you really know what’s happening and what
> the Chinese governmental strategy is concerning world domination, control
> of the infrastructure of its potential enemies, and how Huawei plays into
> that strategy, your conclusion is based on your personal beliefs, not
> facts.   Make no mistake, Huawei was created by the Chinese military and is
> part of a larger strategy.  To deny that is simply ignorance.
>
>
>
> One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States
> spying was never historically done to enable an economic advantage, it was
> done for security reasons.  China and Japan sanctioned state sponsored
> thefts of patents and gave it to key industries.  I don’t believe Japan is
> doing that any more but in the 70’s and 80’s, they were as bad as China,
> just ask Catepillar.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 5:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
>
> Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat...
>
>
>
> The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.Mimosa now has
> a team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm
> Moselems are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America.
>
>
>
>
>
> Stay fearful my friend.
>
>
>
> :)
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Faisal
>
>
>
> Sent from Mobile Device
>
>
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: Rory Conaway
>
> Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00)
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
>
> I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I
> think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level,
> either hardware or software.  Besides the fact that they entire company is
> based on stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is
> whether or not they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell.  Only
> Patrick Leary can answer that.  I suggest he step in to clarify this.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
>
> Gotta love these conversations...
>
>
>
> What was the original topic ?
>
>
>
> Ahhh... Baicells a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge entrance
> in the  WISP Market Space who is just starting to establish themselves
> in the US, and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks in
> the Community !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of a Dream Team being
> put together.
>
>
>
> To start throwing mud or imply any FUD, just because they are a Chinese
> Company would be a mistake I took a look at the Bio of the founders,
> and the fact that their founder are not some corporate yo yo's looking to
> make some $$, but one of serious engineering backgrounds actively
> participating in the LTE Standards committee (Global entity).. says a lot
> to me...
>
>
>
> I am looking forward to some interesting and exciting times in the WISP
> futures ahead ! Time to grow up into serious operators !
>
>
>
>
>
> :)
>
>
>
> Best of Luck Everyone !
>
>
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy I

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Jason McKemie]

I'm mainly just interested in finding out more information on the guy, so
far I haven't found much of anything.

On Monday, March 21, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> This is so fucking stupid.
>
> If people are that paranoid that they might have even a passing
> association with Haiwei, you're probably not interested in their
> products regardless of their answer because "they could be lying" :)
>
> It also could be they might want to use the Huawei name even in the
> case of a very remote connection just because *that's the gear the
> majority of the world seems to be buying at this point*, even if the
> only connection is "one of the founders used to work there".
>
> http://www.wired.com/2008/05/leaked-cisco-do/
> "Cisco Leak: ‘Great Firewall’ of China Was a Chance to Sell More Routers"
>
>
> http://www.cnet.com/news/lawsuit-accuses-cisco-of-aiding-chinese-repression/
> Lawsuit accuses Cisco of aiding Chinese repression
> "Suit alleges Cisco designed and supplied a surveillance system to
> track and sensor the activities of the Falun Gong spiritual movement."
>
> http://laogai.org/commentaries/cisco-and-machinery-chinese-repression
> CISCO AND THE MACHINERY OF CHINESE REPRESSION
> " Contrary to Cisco’s claim that they “strongly support free
> expression and open communication on the Internet,” the networking
> giant helped design and aggressively marketed arguably the most
> oppressive censorship tool in existence. More than just restricting
> access to information, technology Cisco created for the Chinese
> government has been used to track dissidents who were later tortured
> and imprisoned by authorities."
>
>
> http://www.networkworld.com/article/2164353/data-center/cisco-accused-of-data-theft.html
> Cisco accused of data theft
> RELATED
> Cisco reported to enforcement agencies by Multiven for alleged 'theft'
> of data | Legal battle between Cisco and Multiven flares up with EU
> antitrust complaint
> "Cisco is accused of stealing thousands of proprietary and copyrighted
> data files from third-party services nemesis Multiven, which filed a
> complaint against the company with law enforcement authorities in the
> U.S. and Switzerland."
>
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Jason McKemie
> > wrote:
> > Being suspicious of a company because they have a possible association
> with
> > a known thief is very different from blind suspicion based on religion.
> >
> >
> > On Monday, March 21, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz  > wrote:
> >>
> >> Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat...
> >>
> >> The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.Mimosa now
> has
> >> a team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm
> >> Moselems are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of
> America.
> >>
> >>
> >> Stay fearful my friend.
> >>
> >> :)
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Faisal
> >>
> >> Sent from Mobile Device
> >>
> >>
> >>  Original message 
> >> From: Rory Conaway
> >> Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00)
> >> To: af@afmug.com 
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
> >>
> >> I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese
> company, I
> >> think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level,
> >> either hardware or software.  Besides the fact that they entire company
> is
> >> based on stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is
> >> whether or not they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell.
> Only
> >> Patrick Leary can answer that.  I suggest he step in to clarify this.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Rory
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of
> Faisal Imtiaz
> >> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com 
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gotta love these conversations...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> What was the original topic ?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ahhh... Baicells a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge
> entrance
> >> in the  WISP Market Space who is just starting to establish
> themselves
> >> in the US, and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks
> in
> >> the Community !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of 

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Rory Conaway]

Faisal, your analogy is not logical.  Huawei stole the technology to create 
their company.  I will not do business with thieves.  Who you do business with 
is up to you but it is also a reflection on your character and morality.

As for your paranoia part, you really don’t know all the facts about their 
strategy, the technological abilities when it comes to back doors and what we 
can and cannot detect.  Until you really know what’s happening and what the 
Chinese governmental strategy is concerning world domination, control of the 
infrastructure of its potential enemies, and how Huawei plays into that 
strategy, your conclusion is based on your personal beliefs, not facts.   Make 
no mistake, Huawei was created by the Chinese military and is part of a larger 
strategy.  To deny that is simply ignorance.

One other thing that needs to be made clear is that the United States spying 
was never historically done to enable an economic advantage, it was done for 
security reasons.  China and Japan sanctioned state sponsored thefts of patents 
and gave it to key industries.  I don’t believe Japan is doing that any more 
but in the 70’s and 80’s, they were as bad as China, just ask Catepillar.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 5:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat...

The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.Mimosa now has a 
team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm Moselems 
are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America.


Stay fearful my friend.

:)

Regards

Faisal

Sent from Mobile Device

 Original message 
From: Rory Conaway
Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I 
think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level, either 
hardware or software.  Besides the fact that they entire company is based on 
stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is whether or not 
they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell.  Only Patrick Leary can 
answer that.  I suggest he step in to clarify this.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Gotta love these conversations...

What was the original topic ?

Ahhh... Baicells a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge entrance in 
the  WISP Market Space who is just starting to establish themselves in the 
US, and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks in the 
Community !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of a Dream Team being put 
together.

To start throwing mud or imply any FUD, just because they are a Chinese Company 
would be a mistake I took a look at the Bio of the founders, and the fact 
that their founder are not some corporate yo yo's looking to make some $$, but 
one of serious engineering backgrounds actively participating in the LTE 
Standards committee (Global entity).. says a lot to me...

I am looking forward to some interesting and exciting times in the WISP futures 
ahead ! Time to grow up into serious operators !


:)

Best of Luck Everyone !


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>


From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:18:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Ah okay. Had no idea such a thing existed.
On Mar 20, 2016 7:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> 
wrote:


WIC, NM, PA, etc.  Plug in card for a modular router.

From: Josh Reynolds<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview


Define module?
On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> 
wrote:


I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”.  And if Cisco had 
a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for the 
used gear.  Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance contract 
just so you can upgrade the SW.

What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are probably 
counterfeit.  Even if they are made from the same parts in the same factory.


From: Bruce Robertson<mailto:br...@pooh.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I *never* *ev

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

LOL :)
On Mar 21, 2016 9:23 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Faisal Imtiaz, the most interesting WISP in the world...
>
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz 
> Stay fearful my friend.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Chuck McCown]

Faisal Imtiaz, the most interesting WISP in the world...

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Stay fearful my friend.

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

This is so fucking stupid.

If people are that paranoid that they might have even a passing
association with Haiwei, you're probably not interested in their
products regardless of their answer because "they could be lying" :)

It also could be they might want to use the Huawei name even in the
case of a very remote connection just because *that's the gear the
majority of the world seems to be buying at this point*, even if the
only connection is "one of the founders used to work there".

http://www.wired.com/2008/05/leaked-cisco-do/
"Cisco Leak: ‘Great Firewall’ of China Was a Chance to Sell More Routers"

http://www.cnet.com/news/lawsuit-accuses-cisco-of-aiding-chinese-repression/
Lawsuit accuses Cisco of aiding Chinese repression
"Suit alleges Cisco designed and supplied a surveillance system to
track and sensor the activities of the Falun Gong spiritual movement."

http://laogai.org/commentaries/cisco-and-machinery-chinese-repression
CISCO AND THE MACHINERY OF CHINESE REPRESSION
" Contrary to Cisco’s claim that they “strongly support free
expression and open communication on the Internet,” the networking
giant helped design and aggressively marketed arguably the most
oppressive censorship tool in existence. More than just restricting
access to information, technology Cisco created for the Chinese
government has been used to track dissidents who were later tortured
and imprisoned by authorities."

http://www.networkworld.com/article/2164353/data-center/cisco-accused-of-data-theft.html
Cisco accused of data theft
RELATED
Cisco reported to enforcement agencies by Multiven for alleged 'theft'
of data | Legal battle between Cisco and Multiven flares up with EU
antitrust complaint
"Cisco is accused of stealing thousands of proprietary and copyrighted
data files from third-party services nemesis Multiven, which filed a
complaint against the company with law enforcement authorities in the
U.S. and Switzerland."

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Jason McKemie
 wrote:
> Being suspicious of a company because they have a possible association with
> a known thief is very different from blind suspicion based on religion.
>
>
> On Monday, March 21, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
>>
>> Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat...
>>
>> The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.Mimosa now has
>> a team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm
>> Moselems are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America.
>>
>>
>> Stay fearful my friend.
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Faisal
>>
>> Sent from Mobile Device
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Rory Conaway
>> Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>> I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I
>> think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level,
>> either hardware or software.  Besides the fact that they entire company is
>> based on stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is
>> whether or not they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell.  Only
>> Patrick Leary can answer that.  I suggest he step in to clarify this.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>>
>>
>> Gotta love these conversations...
>>
>>
>>
>> What was the original topic ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ahhh... Baicells a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge entrance
>> in the  WISP Market Space who is just starting to establish themselves
>> in the US, and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks in
>> the Community !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of a Dream Team being
>> put together.
>>
>>
>>
>> To start throwing mud or imply any FUD, just because they are a Chinese
>> Company would be a mistake I took a look at the Bio of the founders, and
>> the fact that their founder are not some corporate yo yo's looking to make
>> some $$, but one of serious engineering backgrounds actively participating
>> in the LTE Standards committee (Global entity).. says a lot to me...
>>
>>
>>
>> I am looking forward to some interesting and exciting times in the WISP
>> futures ahead ! Time to grow up into serious operators !
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> :)
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Ken Hohhof]

“Stay fearful my friend” has a certain ring to it.  New meme?

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Being suspicious of a company because they have a possible association with a 
known thief is very different from blind suspicion based on religion.

On Monday, March 21, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

  Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat...

  The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.Mimosa now has a 
team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm Moselems 
are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America.


  Stay fearful my friend.

  :)

  Regards 

  Faisal

  Sent from Mobile Device



   Original message 
  From: Rory Conaway 
  Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00) 
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview 

  I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I 
think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level, either 
hardware or software.  Besides the fact that they entire company is based on 
stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is whether or not 
they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell.  Only Patrick Leary can 
answer that.  I suggest he step in to clarify this.



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] On 
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview



  Gotta love these conversations... 



  What was the original topic ? 



  Ahhh... Baicells a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge entrance in 
the  WISP Market Space who is just starting to establish themselves in the 
US, and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks in the 
Community !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of a Dream Team being put 
together.



  To start throwing mud or imply any FUD, just because they are a Chinese 
Company would be a mistake I took a look at the Bio of the founders, and 
the fact that their founder are not some corporate yo yo's looking to make some 
$$, but one of serious engineering backgrounds actively participating in the 
LTE Standards committee (Global entity).. says a lot to me...



  I am looking forward to some interesting and exciting times in the WISP 
futures ahead ! Time to grow up into serious operators !





  :)



  Best of Luck Everyone !





  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','supp...@snappytelecom.net');




--

From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:18:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Ah okay. Had no idea such a thing existed.

On Mar 20, 2016 7:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" 
 wrote:



WIC, NM, PA, etc.  Plug in card for a modular router.



From: Josh Reynolds

    Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM

To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview



Define module?

On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof" 
 wrote:



I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”.  And if Cisco 
had a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for the 
used gear.  Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance contract 
just so you can upgrade the SW.



What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are 
probably counterfeit.  Even if they are made from the same parts in the same 
factory.





From: Bruce Robertson

Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM

To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview



I *never* *ever* did that...

On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and 
registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more expensive 
routers we deployed hmmm



  From: Eric Kuhnke

  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM

  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview



  I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of 
telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling 
telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran:



  1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they 

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Jason McKemie]

Being suspicious of a company because they have a possible association with
a known thief is very different from blind suspicion based on religion.

On Monday, March 21, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat...
>
> The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.Mimosa now has
> a team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm
> Moselems are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America.
>
>
> Stay fearful my friend.
>
> :)
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal
>
> Sent from Mobile Device
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Rory Conaway
> Date:03/21/2016 12:44 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I
> think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level,
> either hardware or software.  Besides the fact that they entire company is
> based on stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is
> whether or not they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell.  Only
> Patrick Leary can answer that.  I suggest he step in to clarify this.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Faisal
> Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
>
> Gotta love these conversations...
>
>
>
> What was the original topic ?
>
>
>
> Ahhh... Baicells a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge entrance
> in the  WISP Market Space who is just starting to establish themselves
> in the US, and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks in
> the Community !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of a Dream Team being
> put together.
>
>
>
> To start throwing mud or imply any FUD, just because they are a Chinese
> Company would be a mistake I took a look at the Bio of the founders,
> and the fact that their founder are not some corporate yo yo's looking to
> make some $$, but one of serious engineering backgrounds actively
> participating in the LTE Standards committee (Global entity).. says a lot
> to me...
>
>
>
> I am looking forward to some interesting and exciting times in the WISP
> futures ahead ! Time to grow up into serious operators !
>
>
>
>
>
> :)
>
>
>
> Best of Luck Everyone !
>
>
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:18:38 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> Ah okay. Had no idea such a thing existed.
>
> On Mar 20, 2016 7:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  > wrote:
>
> WIC, NM, PA, etc.  Plug in card for a modular router.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> 
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
>
> Define module?
>
> On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  > wrote:
>
> I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”.  And if Cisco
> had a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for
> the used gear.  Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance
> contract just so you can upgrade the SW.
>
>
>
> What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are
> probably counterfeit.  Even if they are made from the same parts in the
> same factory.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bruce Robertson 
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
>
> I *never* *ever* did that...
>
> On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and
> registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more
> expensive routers we deployed hmmm
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke
> 
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
>
> I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of
> telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling
> telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran:
>
> 1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Wow, what can I say, go get your tin foil hat...

The next thing you will be taking a crap about is that.Mimosa now has a 
team of engineers working out of Turkey...who knows what those damm Moselems 
are putting in thier code, as part of Sharia domination of America.


Stay fearful my friend.

:)

Regards

Faisal

Sent from Mobile Device

 Original message From: Rory Conaway 
 Date:03/21/2016  12:44 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview 

I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, 
I think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level, either 
hardware or software.  Besides the fact that they entire company is based on 
stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is whether or not 
they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell.  Only Patrick Leary can 
answer that.  I suggest he step in to clarify this.
 
Rory
 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
 
Gotta love these conversations... 
 
What was the original topic ? 
 
Ahhh... Baicells a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge entrance in 
the  WISP Market Space who is just starting to establish themselves in the 
US, and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks in the 
Community !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of a Dream Team being put 
together.
 
To start throwing mud or imply any FUD, just because they are a Chinese Company 
would be a mistake I took a look at the Bio of the founders, and the fact 
that their founder are not some corporate yo yo's looking to make some $$, but 
one of serious engineering backgrounds actively participating in the LTE 
Standards committee (Global entity).. says a lot to me...
 
I am looking forward to some interesting and exciting times in the WISP futures 
ahead ! Time to grow up into serious operators !
 
 
:)
 
Best of Luck Everyone !
 
 
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
 
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:18:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
Ah okay. Had no idea such a thing existed.

On Mar 20, 2016 7:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

WIC, NM, PA, etc.  Plug in card for a modular router.
 
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
 
Define module?

On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”.  And if Cisco had 
a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for the 
used gear.  Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance contract 
just so you can upgrade the SW.
 
What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are probably 
counterfeit.  Even if they are made from the same parts in the same factory.
 
 
From: Bruce Robertson
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
 
I *never* *ever* did that...

On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and 
registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more expensive 
routers we deployed hmmm
 
From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
 
I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of 
telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling 
telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran:


1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way to 
buy it from Dubai.

2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP gear into 
Iran?  There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up  with local 
Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how to run Tor, how 
to get around government internet censorship, move VPN traffic through their 
ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered media. The US government has 
a whole Farsi language division funded from the Voice of America/BBG 
(Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying to reach Iranians. There are a 
shitload of Iranians that want to use Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, etc.  More 
communication with the outside world is good.

http://www.radiofarda.com/


 
On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's internet 
snooping and repression, right?

On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/tec

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Rory Conaway]

I don’t think the question is whether or not they are a Chinese company, I 
think the question is whether or not Huawei is involved on some level, either 
hardware or software.  Besides the fact that they entire company is based on 
stolen property from day 1, the second part of the argument is whether or not 
they are funding or delivering technology to Baicell.  Only Patrick Leary can 
answer that.  I suggest he step in to clarify this.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Gotta love these conversations...

What was the original topic ?

Ahhh... Baicells a new Mfg. of LTE Products looking to forge entrance in 
the  WISP Market Space who is just starting to establish themselves in the 
US, and as such have recruited some of The Most Respected Folks in the 
Community !... Patrick, Rick, Boun.. reminds me of a Dream Team being put 
together.

To start throwing mud or imply any FUD, just because they are a Chinese Company 
would be a mistake I took a look at the Bio of the founders, and the fact 
that their founder are not some corporate yo yo's looking to make some $$, but 
one of serious engineering backgrounds actively participating in the LTE 
Standards committee (Global entity).. says a lot to me...

I am looking forward to some interesting and exciting times in the WISP futures 
ahead ! Time to grow up into serious operators !


:)

Best of Luck Everyone !


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>


From: "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:18:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Ah okay. Had no idea such a thing existed.
On Mar 20, 2016 7:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> 
wrote:

WIC, NM, PA, etc.  Plug in card for a modular router.

From: Josh Reynolds<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview


Define module?
On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> 
wrote:

I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”.  And if Cisco had 
a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for the 
used gear.  Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance contract 
just so you can upgrade the SW.

What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are probably 
counterfeit.  Even if they are made from the same parts in the same factory.


From: Bruce Robertson<mailto:br...@pooh.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I *never* *ever* did that...
On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and 
registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more expensive 
routers we deployed hmmm

From: Eric Kuhnke<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of 
telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling 
telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran:

1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way to 
buy it from Dubai.
2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP gear into 
Iran?  There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up with local 
Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how to run Tor, how 
to get around government internet censorship, move VPN traffic through their 
ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered media. The US government has 
a whole Farsi language division funded from the Voice of America/BBG 
(Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying to reach Iranians.  There are 
a shitload of Iranians that want to use Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, etc.  More 
communication with the outside world is good.

http://www.radiofarda.com/


On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's internet 
snooping and repression, right?
On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0

Al

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

Ah okay. Had no idea such a thing existed.
On Mar 20, 2016 7:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> WIC, NM, PA, etc.  Plug in card for a modular router.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds 
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
> Define module?
> On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”.  And if
>> Cisco had a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet
>> contract for the used gear.  Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW
>> maintenance contract just so you can upgrade the SW.
>>
>> What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are
>> probably counterfeit.  Even if they are made from the same parts in the
>> same factory.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bruce Robertson 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>> I *never* *ever* did that...
>>
>> On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and
>> registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more
>> expensive routers we deployed hmmm
>>
>> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>> I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of
>> telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling
>> telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran:
>>
>>
>> 1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way
>> to buy it from Dubai.
>>
>> 2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP gear
>> into Iran?  There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up
>> with local Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how
>> to run Tor, how to get around government internet censorship, move VPN
>> traffic through their ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered
>> media. The US government has a whole Farsi language division funded from
>> the Voice of America/BBG (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying
>> to reach Iranians.  There are a shitload of Iranians that want to use
>> Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, etc.  More communication with the outside world
>> is good.
>>
>> http://www.radiofarda.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's
>>> internet snooping and repression, right?
>>> On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0
>>>>
>>>> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran
>>>> and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a
>>>> little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company
>>>> that is clearly Huawei.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett 
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>>
>>>> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is
>>>> indisputable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCX

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Ken Hohhof]

WIC, NM, PA, etc.  Plug in card for a modular router.

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Define module?

On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”.  And if Cisco 
had a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for the 
used gear.  Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance contract 
just so you can upgrade the SW.

  What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are 
probably counterfeit.  Even if they are made from the same parts in the same 
factory.


  From: Bruce Robertson 
  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  I *never* *ever* did that...


  On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and 
registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more expensive 
routers we deployed hmmm

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of 
telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling 
telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran:



1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way 
to buy it from Dubai. 


2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP gear 
into Iran?  There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up with 
local Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how to run 
Tor, how to get around government internet censorship, move VPN traffic through 
their ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered media. The US 
government has a whole Farsi language division funded from the Voice of 
America/BBG (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying to reach Iranians. 
 There are a shitload of Iranians that want to use Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, 
etc.  More communication with the outside world is good.

http://www.radiofarda.com/




On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:

  You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's 
internet snooping and repression, right? 

  On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0

Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran 
and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a 
little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that is 
clearly Huawei.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
    To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is 
indisputable.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview


Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China 
has by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? 
Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in 
line with things the government as a whole says or does?

You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was 
bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco 
which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and 
then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?

I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything 
"bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. 
They have an incredible amount of data and control.

What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid 
shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA was 
caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put backdoors in 
equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - putting our own 
countries citizens and world governments at risk in the process?

I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't 
done shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating 
that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kin

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Faisal Imtiaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJczSB7bago 

For all those who think everything from Hong Kong is counterfeit ! 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:56:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

> I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”. And if Cisco had 
> a
> problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for the used
> gear. Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance contract just
> so you can upgrade the SW.
> What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are 
> probably
> counterfeit. Even if they are made from the same parts in the same factory.
> From: Bruce Robertson
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
> I *never* *ever* did that...

> On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

>> Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and
>> registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more 
>> expensive
>> routers we deployed hmmm
>> From: Eric Kuhnke
>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>> I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of
>> telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling
>> telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran:

>> 1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way to 
>> buy
>> it from Dubai.

>> 2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP gear 
>> into
>> Iran? There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up with local
>> Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how to run Tor, 
>> how
>> to get around government internet censorship, move VPN traffic through their
>> ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered media. The US government 
>> has
>> a whole Farsi language division funded from the Voice of America/BBG
>> (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying to reach Iranians. There 
>> are a
>> shitload of Iranians that want to use Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, etc. More
>> communication with the outside world is good.

>> http://www.radiofarda.com/

>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 
>> wrote:

>>> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's internet
>>> snooping and repression, right?
>>> On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > wrote:

>>>> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0
>>>> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran 
>>>> and not
>>>> use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic. But it’s a little
>>>> humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that is
>>>> clearly Huawei.
>>>> From: Mike Hammett
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable.

>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions

>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange

>>>> The Brothers WISP

>>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com >
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

>>>> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has 
>>>> by any
>>>> chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? Do 
>>>> those
>>>> members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in line 
>>>> with
>>>> things the government as a whole says or does?

>>>> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was bullshit 
>>>> put
>>>> for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which was 
>>>> later
>>>> RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then used in
&

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Jason McKemie]

It's a slippery noodle only if they plead ignorance, which the Chinese
government does, which is the issue. The world as a whole needs to have
it's collective head examined for handing this country the keys to
manufacturing all our stuff.

On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> Yeah, except when it came to Copyrights and patent protection, the
> question becomes whose law is it ?
> US law ? Chinese Law ? or International Law ?
>
> e.g. There are countries which don't recognize Copyright Laws, and for
> good reasons... so copying stuff has different meaning...
>
> This is a very slippery noodle to catch.
>
> Not saying who is right or wrong, just pointing out the slippery slopes !
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jason McKemie"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:01:57 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG]  Baicells Interview
>
> I suppose I can agree with you guys on some of these points. I'm not
> talking about just stealing the software, but the hardware that goes along
> with it as well. US companies could not get away with such a blatant
> ripoff. Many big foreign and domestic companies steal IP from other
> companies. The big issue for me is how cavalier Huawei has been about it,
> and no one on any level over there did anything about it. It's like someone
> stealing from you then waving the loot in front of your face in public, and
> the authorities doing nothing about it because they're tied in.
> It's a different level IMO.
>
> Plus, I'd rather buy from a US thief than a foreign one - given those are
> the only two choices.
>
> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
>
>> I agree with Josh.
>>
>> I don't believe that there is any Global Tech company who has not
>> compromised ethics at one point in time or another
>>
>> Ethics, Morality, Business and Politics are all shifting sands ...
>> nothing stays still
>>
>> All I am trying to say is, everyone is entitled to their opinions as to
>> who they do business with and who they don't... If ethics and morality was
>> measure, and one was being honest and un-biased, then one would find doing
>> business with any of the big folks to be a problem !
>>
>> Yes, Hauwie stole code from Cisco, and Cisco stole shit from someone else
>> ...
>> http://www.ipnav.com/blog/jury-says-cisco-stole-technology-must-pay-70m/.
>> .what is new ?
>>
>> This is not my fight, my issue is very simple.. if you are going to call
>> someone dirty than call the others who are dirty too... it is not like the
>> other guys are saints and angles !
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 3:37:55 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>> I think you're trying to impart ethics on business. Most companies don't
>> like that at all, and only play by those rules when they have to - hence
>> most massive companies paying little to no taxes, and some like Verizon
>> getting money back every year.
>> On Mar 20, 2016 2:34 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Except they outright stole it. Buying a company for the product or to
>>> eliminate competition may be immoral, but not the same as copying another
>>> company's product all the way down to the software bugs.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>>
>>>> They did, sure. What they have now doesn't use that code anymore.
>>>>
>>>> I could say the same about many successful companies - they do what
>>>> they can get away with, and what makes their shareholders the most money.
>>>>
>>>> No different than a company buying one smaller company that had a good
>>>> product just to fire all the employees and kill it. Or companies that force
>>>> their staff to train their H1B or overseas replacements (Disney, HP, etc).
>>>> On Mar 20, 2016 2:10 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>>&

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

Define module?
On Mar 20, 2016 6:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”.  And if Cisco
> had a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for
> the used gear.  Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance
> contract just so you can upgrade the SW.
>
> What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are
> probably counterfeit.  Even if they are made from the same parts in the
> same factory.
>
>
> *From:* Bruce Robertson 
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> I *never* *ever* did that...
>
> On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and
> registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more
> expensive routers we deployed hmmm
>
> *From:* Eric Kuhnke 
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of
> telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling
> telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran:
>
>
> 1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way
> to buy it from Dubai.
>
> 2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP gear
> into Iran?  There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up
> with local Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how
> to run Tor, how to get around government internet censorship, move VPN
> traffic through their ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered
> media. The US government has a whole Farsi language division funded from
> the Voice of America/BBG (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying
> to reach Iranians.  There are a shitload of Iranians that want to use
> Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, etc.  More communication with the outside world
> is good.
>
> http://www.radiofarda.com/
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's
>> internet snooping and repression, right?
>> On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>>> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0
>>>
>>> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran
>>> and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a
>>> little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company
>>> that is clearly Huawei.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett 
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>
>>> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>
>>> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has
>>> by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce?
>>> Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100%
>>> in line with things the government as a whole says or does?
>>>
>>> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was
>>> b

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Ken Hohhof]

I’m not sure I equate “previously owned” with “grey market”.  And if Cisco had 
a problem with it, they didn’t have to sell you a Smartnet contract for the 
used gear.  Pretty good actually selling a full year HW/SW maintenance contract 
just so you can upgrade the SW.

What I won’t do is buy the “new” Cisco modules from Hong Kong that are probably 
counterfeit.  Even if they are made from the same parts in the same factory.


From: Bruce Robertson 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I *never* *ever* did that...


On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and 
registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more expensive 
routers we deployed hmmm

  From: Eric Kuhnke 
  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of 
telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling 
telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran:



  1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way to 
buy it from Dubai. 


  2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP gear 
into Iran?  There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up with 
local Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how to run 
Tor, how to get around government internet censorship, move VPN traffic through 
their ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered media. The US 
government has a whole Farsi language division funded from the Voice of 
America/BBG (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying to reach Iranians. 
 There are a shitload of Iranians that want to use Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, 
etc.  More communication with the outside world is good.

  http://www.radiofarda.com/




  On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's internet 
snooping and repression, right? 

On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.

  
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0

  Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran 
and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a 
little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that is 
clearly Huawei.


  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Josh Reynolds" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview


  Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has 
by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? Do 
those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in 
line with things the government as a whole says or does?

  You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was 
bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco 
which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and 
then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?

  I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything 
"bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. 
They have an incredible amount of data and control.

  What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid 
shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA was 
caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put backdoors in 
equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - putting our own 
countries citizens and world governments at risk in the process?

  I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't 
done shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating 
that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while 
simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own  government and its 
employees.

  For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective.

  On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
 wrote:

I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one 
of the lead people 

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

IOS CLI is not special in any way, and never was.

IMO:
Vyatta/VyOS/EdgeOS > Juniper > Linux*/BSD > MikroTik > IOS/IOS-XR /
Broadcom Fastpath / Procurve, tons of other stuff > Comware (heh)
On Mar 20, 2016 6:24 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Copying a CLI is different than copying typo for typo the source code and
> manuals.
>
> Frankly, I don't think the Cisco CLI is all that special. I think being a
> Cisco fanboy makes someone less useful than anyone else as they're stuck on
> Cisco vs. being agile in different command structures.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 3:48:08 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> People were duplicating the Cisco IOS CLI a long time before Huawei - have
> you ever logged into a series of Foundry's gigabit (24/48 port PoE and
> non-PoE) switches?
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has
>> by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce?
>> Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100%
>> in line with things the government as a whole says or does?
>>
>> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was
>> bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco
>> which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years
>> and then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?
>>
>> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything
>> "bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and
>> NSA. They have an incredible amount of data and control.
>>
>> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid
>> shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA
>> was caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put
>> backdoors in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper -
>> putting our own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the
>> process?
>>
>> I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't
>> done shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are
>> insinuating that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag
>> while simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own  government
>> and its employees.
>>
>> For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective.
>> On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one
>>> of the lead people from H

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Yeah, except when it came to Copyrights and patent protection, the question 
becomes whose law is it ? 
US law ? Chinese Law ? or International Law ? 

e.g. There are countries which don't recognize Copyright Laws, and for good 
reasons... so copying stuff has different meaning... 

This is a very slippery noodle to catch. 

Not saying who is right or wrong, just pointing out the slippery slopes ! 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jason McKemie" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 5:01:57 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

> I suppose I can agree with you guys on some of these points. I'm not talking
> about just stealing the software, but the hardware that goes along with it as
> well. US companies could not get away with such a blatant ripoff. Many big
> foreign and domestic companies steal IP from other companies. The big issue 
> for
> me is how cavalier Huawei has been about it, and no one on any level over 
> there
> did anything about it. It's like someone stealing from you then waving the 
> loot
> in front of your face in public, and the authorities doing nothing about it
> because they're tied in.
> It's a different level IMO.

> Plus, I'd rather buy from a US thief than a foreign one - given those are the
> only two choices.

> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:

>> I agree with Josh.
>> I don't believe that there is any Global Tech company who has not compromised
>> ethics at one point in time or another

>> Ethics, Morality, Business and Politics are all shifting sands ... nothing 
>> stays
>> still

>> All I am trying to say is, everyone is entitled to their opinions as to who 
>> they
>> do business with and who they don't... If ethics and morality was measure, 
>> and
>> one was being honest and un-biased, then one would find doing business with 
>> any
>> of the big folks to be a problem !

>> Yes, Hauwie stole code from Cisco, and Cisco stole shit from someone else ...
>> http://www.ipnav.com/blog/jury-says-cisco-stole-technology-must-pay-70m/... 
>> ..
>> .what is new ?

>> This is not my fight, my issue is very simple.. if you are going to call 
>> someone
>> dirty than call the others who are dirty too... it is not like the other guys
>> are saints and angles !

>> :)

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 3:37:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

>>> I think you're trying to impart ethics on business. Most companies don't 
>>> like
>>> that at all, and only play by those rules when they have to - hence most
>>> massive companies paying little to no taxes, and some like Verizon getting
>>> money back every year.
>>> On Mar 20, 2016 2:34 PM, "Jason McKemie" < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
>>> >
>>> wrote:

>>>> Except they outright stole it. Buying a company for the product or to 
>>>> eliminate
>>>> competition may be immoral, but not the same as copying another company's
>>>> product all the way down to the software bugs.

>>>> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote:

>>>>> They did, sure. What they have now doesn't use that code anymore.

>>>>> I could say the same about many successful companies - they do what they 
>>>>> can get
>>>>> away with, and what makes their shareholders the most money.

>>>>> No different than a company buying one smaller company that had a good 
>>>>> product
>>>>> just to fire all the employees and kill it. Or companies that force their 
>>>>> staff
>>>>> to train their H1B or overseas replacements (Disney, HP, etc).
>>>>> On Mar 20, 2016 2:10 PM, "Jason McKemie" < 
>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com >
>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>> When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright ripping 
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> companies' products off - not so much software bac

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Mike Hammett]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0bNf-jcVU0 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jason McKemie"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 4:01:57 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview 

I suppose I can agree with you guys on some of these points. I'm not talking 
about just stealing the software, but the hardware that goes along with it as 
well. US companies could not get away with such a blatant ripoff. Many big 
foreign and domestic companies steal IP from other companies. The big issue for 
me is how cavalier Huawei has been about it, and no one on any level over there 
did anything about it. It's like someone stealing from you then waving the loot 
in front of your face in public, and the authorities doing nothing about it 
because they're tied in. 
It's a different level IMO. 


Plus, I'd rather buy from a US thief than a foreign one - given those are the 
only two choices. 

On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote: 





I agree with Josh. 

I don't believe that there is any Global Tech company who has not compromised 
ethics at one point in time or another 


Ethics, Morality, Business and Politics are all shifting sands ... nothing 
stays still 


All I am trying to say is, everyone is entitled to their opinions as to who 
they do business with and who they don't... If ethics and morality was measure, 
and one was being honest and un-biased, then one would find doing business with 
any of the big folks to be a problem ! 


Yes, Hauwie stole code from Cisco, and Cisco stole shit from someone else ... 
http://www.ipnav.com/blog/jury-says-cisco-stole-technology-must-pay-70m/... .. 
.what is new ? 


This is not my fight, my issue is very simple.. if you are going to call 
someone dirty than call the others who are dirty too... it is not like the 
other guys are saints and angles ! 


:) 


Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 





From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 3:37:55 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview 






I think you're trying to impart ethics on business. Most companies don't like 
that at all, and only play by those rules when they have to - hence most 
massive companies paying little to no taxes, and some like Verizon getting 
money back every year. 
On Mar 20, 2016 2:34 PM, "Jason McKemie" < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > 
wrote: 


Except they outright stole it. Buying a company for the product or to eliminate 
competition may be immoral, but not the same as copying another company's 
product all the way down to the software bugs. 

On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 



They did, sure. What they have now doesn't use that code anymore. 
I could say the same about many successful companies - they do what they can 
get away with, and what makes their shareholders the most money. 
No different than a company buying one smaller company that had a good product 
just to fire all the employees and kill it. Or companies that force their staff 
to train their H1B or overseas replacements (Disney, HP, etc). 
On Mar 20, 2016 2:10 PM, "Jason McKemie" < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > 
wrote: 


When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright ripping other 
companies' products off - not so much software backdoors (many other companies 
do that). 

On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote: 





Oh grow up, get a grip. 

The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch all over the world. 
The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and European 
Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally unchecked... (Why 
does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500 from Cisco etc ?) 

And telling stories that create FUD to have folks keep away from doing business 
with the overseas mfg. pays quiet well... 

Let's flip this argument for a moment... Do you think that Cisco / Alcatel / 
Lucent / etc etc don't have some sort of backdoor built into their products for 
the US/EU governments ? 

Why are you worried about an international gov. snooping in your tiny piss-any 
network, when any gov. can already do so ? 

Do business with who you like, and don't with who you don't like it's 
totally your choice 

But at the end of the day, when the Gov is involved, irrespective of which 
one... you have to bring your own jar of Vaseline, and they don't kiss in the 
morning ! 


Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 






From: 

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Mike Hammett]

Copying a CLI is different than copying typo for typo the source code and 
manuals. 

Frankly, I don't think the Cisco CLI is all that special. I think being a Cisco 
fanboy makes someone less useful than anyone else as they're stuck on Cisco vs. 
being agile in different command structures. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Eric Kuhnke"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 3:48:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview 


People were duplicating the Cisco IOS CLI a long time before Huawei - have you 
ever logged into a series of Foundry's gigabit (24/48 port PoE and non-PoE) 
switches? 





On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview 


Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has by any 
chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? Do those 
members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in line with 
things the government as a whole says or does? 
You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was bullshit put 
for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which was later 
RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then used in 
FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right? 
I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything "bad" in 
your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. They have 
an incredible amount of data and control. 
What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid 
shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA was 
caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put backdoors in 
equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - putting our own 
countries citizens and world governments at risk in the process? 
I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't done 
shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating that 
every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while simultaneously 
holding up a different mirror to our own government and its employees. 
For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective. 
On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > 
wrote: 


I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one of the 
lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This person 
could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result. 

On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 





If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that. Huawei is 
both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government. 

Rory 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard 
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM 
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview 


I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you can most 
likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more costly parts 
of doing LTE. 



On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie < 
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: 

Good interview. A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about though. First 
of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE? I realize it isn't a ton of money, just 
seems like an expense that shouldn't be there. Also, I'm a little wary of the 
Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the specific "fellow" that 
they're talking about. 





On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Bruce Robertson]

I *never* *ever* did that...

On 03/20/2016 02:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find 
and registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market 
more expensive routers we deployed hmmm

*From:* Eric Kuhnke <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of 
telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for 
selling telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran:



1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a 
way to buy it from Dubai.


2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP 
gear into Iran?  There's a very active community of Iranians who have 
come up with local Farsi language documents/training guides and 
information on how to run Tor, how to get around government internet 
censorship, move VPN traffic through their ISPs' blackholes. Iranians 
want to read unfettered media. The US government has a whole Farsi 
language division funded from the Voice of America/BBG (Broadcasting 
Board of Governors) that is trying to reach Iranians.  There are a 
shitload of Iranians that want to use Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, etc. 
More communication with the outside world is good.


http://www.radiofarda.com/


On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's
internet snooping and repression, right?

On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0
Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions
against Iran and not use tricks to get around them is probably
unrealistic. But it’s a little humorous reading how ZTE copied
the tricks of an unnamed company that is clearly Huawei.
*From:* Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is
indisputable.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees
China has by any chance? What about the number of DoD and
general federal workforce? Do those members of the workforce -
do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in line with things
the government as a whole says or does?

You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei
was bullshit put for by our government who were acting as
mouthpieces for Cisco which was later RECANTED by our own
government in just a few short years and then used in
FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?

I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done
anything "bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct
connections to the CIA and NSA. They have an incredible amount
of data and control.

What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching
products mid shipment and modified them before sending them
out? What's that, the NSA was caught weakening encryption
protocols, the Linux kernel, and put backdoors in equipment
from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - putting
our own countries citizens and world governments at risk in
the process?

I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Chuck McCown]

Funny, how many of us bought the cheapest Cisco thing we could find and 
registered it so we could get fresh software for the grey market more expensive 
routers we deployed hmmm

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of 
telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling 
telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran:



1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way to 
buy it from Dubai. 


2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP gear into 
Iran?  There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up with local 
Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how to run Tor, how 
to get around government internet censorship, move VPN traffic through their 
ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered media. The US government has 
a whole Farsi language division funded from the Voice of America/BBG 
(Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying to reach Iranians.  There are 
a shitload of Iranians that want to use Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, etc.  More 
communication with the outside world is good.

http://www.radiofarda.com/




On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's internet 
snooping and repression, right? 

  On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0

Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran and 
not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a little 
humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that is 
clearly Huawei.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview


Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has by 
any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? Do 
those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in 
line with things the government as a whole says or does?

You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was bullshit 
put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which was 
later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then used in 
FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?

I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything "bad" 
in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. They 
have an incredible amount of data and control.

What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid 
shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA was 
caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put backdoors in 
equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - putting our own 
countries citizens and world governments at risk in the process?

I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't done 
shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating that 
every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while simultaneously 
holding up a different mirror to our own  government and its employees.

For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective.

On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie"  
wrote:

  I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one of 
the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This 
person could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result.

  On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway  wrote:

If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that.  
Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview



I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you 
can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more 
costly parts of do

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Chuck McCown]

I have had several products ripped off by Chinese companies.   I was actually 
flattered I made something worthy of ripping off.  Also learned that my design 
patent actually had some value.

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Except they outright stole it. Buying a company for the product or to eliminate 
competition may be immoral, but not the same as copying another company's 
product all the way down to the software bugs. 

On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  They did, sure. What they have now doesn't use that code anymore.

  I could say the same about many successful companies - they do what they can 
get away with, and what makes their shareholders the most money. 

  No different than a company buying one smaller company that had a good 
product just to fire all the employees and kill it. Or companies that force 
their staff to train their H1B or overseas replacements (Disney, HP, etc).

  On Mar 20, 2016 2:10 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
 wrote:

When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright ripping 
other companies' products off - not so much software backdoors (many other 
companies do that).

On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz 
 wrote:

  Oh grow up, get a grip.

  The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch all over the world.
  The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and 
European Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally 
unchecked... (Why does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500 from Cisco etc ?)

  And telling stories that create FUD to have folks keep away from doing 
business with the overseas mfg. pays quiet well...

  Let's flip this argument for a moment... Do you think that Cisco / 
Alcatel / Lucent / etc etc don't have some sort of backdoor built into their 
products for the US/EU governments ? 

  Why are you worried about an international gov. snooping in your tiny 
piss-any network, when any gov. can already do so ? 

  Do business with who you like, and don't with who you don't like it's 
totally your choice

  But at the end of the day, when the Gov is involved, irrespective of 
which one... you have to bring your own jar of Vaseline, and they don't kiss in 
the morning !


  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom




--

From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: af@afmug.com
    Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:22:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

They may be able to sell some of that here domestically, since one of 
the presidential candidates suggested “closing that Internet up in some way”.



From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's 
internet snooping and repression, right?

On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.

  
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0

  Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against 
Iran and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a 
little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that is 
clearly Huawei.


  From: Mike Hammett
  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is 
indisputable.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Josh Reynolds" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview


  Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China 
has by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? 
Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in 
line with things the government as a whole says or does?

  You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was 
bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco 
which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and 
then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?

  I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything 
"bad"

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, I remember the kids would give another kid a hard time if their radio 
said made in Taiwan etc.  We really had no concept of why we were picking on 
someone with a nice radio.  Just something mean to do.  Later, picking on girls 
you actually liked didn’t seem to work so well...

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

That’s pretty old news though.  Huawei is so big now, probably other companies 
are ripping off their stuff.  And with communications gear based mostly on open 
standards, open source software, the same chipsets, it comes down to packaging, 
manufacturing, sales and service.  And the manufacturing is all the same too.  
Or like Faisal points out, sometimes everything is the same except the label 
and the price.

I remember when I was a kid everyone saying Japanese radios, cameras and cars 
were low quality copies of American (or German) stuff.  And that the most 
famous Russian inventor was named “REGUSPATOFF”.


From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright ripping other 
companies' products off - not so much software backdoors (many other companies 
do that).

On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

  Oh grow up, get a grip.

  The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch all over the world.
  The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and European 
Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally unchecked... (Why 
does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500 from Cisco etc ?)

  And telling stories that create FUD to have folks keep away from doing 
business with the overseas mfg. pays quiet well...

  Let's flip this argument for a moment... Do you think that Cisco / Alcatel / 
Lucent / etc etc don't have some sort of backdoor built into their products for 
the US/EU governments ? 

  Why are you worried about an international gov. snooping in your tiny 
piss-any network, when any gov. can already do so ? 

  Do business with who you like, and don't with who you don't like it's 
totally your choice

  But at the end of the day, when the Gov is involved, irrespective of which 
one... you have to bring your own jar of Vaseline, and they don't kiss in the 
morning !


  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom




--

From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:22:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

They may be able to sell some of that here domestically, since one of the 
presidential candidates suggested “closing that Internet up in some way”.



From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:00 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's internet 
snooping and repression, right?

On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" 
 wrote:

  Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.

  
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0

  Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran 
and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a 
little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that is 
clearly Huawei.


  From: Mike Hammett
  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Josh Reynolds" 

  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
  Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview


  Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has 
by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? Do 
those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in 
line with things the government as a whole says or does?

  You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was 
bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco 
which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and 
then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right

[AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Jason McKemie]

I suppose I can agree with you guys on some of these points. I'm not
talking about just stealing the software, but the hardware that goes along
with it as well. US companies could not get away with such a blatant
ripoff. Many big foreign and domestic companies steal IP from other
companies. The big issue for me is how cavalier Huawei has been about it,
and no one on any level over there did anything about it. It's like someone
stealing from you then waving the loot in front of your face in public, and
the authorities doing nothing about it because they're tied in.
It's a different level IMO.

Plus, I'd rather buy from a US thief than a foreign one - given those are
the only two choices.

On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz > wrote:

> I agree with Josh.
>
> I don't believe that there is any Global Tech company who has not
> compromised ethics at one point in time or another
>
> Ethics, Morality, Business and Politics are all shifting sands ... nothing
> stays still
>
> All I am trying to say is, everyone is entitled to their opinions as to
> who they do business with and who they don't... If ethics and morality was
> measure, and one was being honest and un-biased, then one would find doing
> business with any of the big folks to be a problem !
>
> Yes, Hauwie stole code from Cisco, and Cisco stole shit from someone else
> ...
> http://www.ipnav.com/blog/jury-says-cisco-stole-technology-must-pay-70m/.
> .what is new ?
>
> This is not my fight, my issue is very simple.. if you are going to call
> someone dirty than call the others who are dirty too... it is not like the
> other guys are saints and angles !
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> ----------
>
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 3:37:55 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> I think you're trying to impart ethics on business. Most companies don't
> like that at all, and only play by those rules when they have to - hence
> most massive companies paying little to no taxes, and some like Verizon
> getting money back every year.
> On Mar 20, 2016 2:34 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
>> Except they outright stole it. Buying a company for the product or to
>> eliminate competition may be immoral, but not the same as copying another
>> company's product all the way down to the software bugs.
>>
>> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>>> They did, sure. What they have now doesn't use that code anymore.
>>>
>>> I could say the same about many successful companies - they do what they
>>> can get away with, and what makes their shareholders the most money.
>>>
>>> No different than a company buying one smaller company that had a good
>>> product just to fire all the employees and kill it. Or companies that force
>>> their staff to train their H1B or overseas replacements (Disney, HP, etc).
>>> On Mar 20, 2016 2:10 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright
>>>> ripping other companies' products off - not so much software backdoors
>>>> (many other companies do that).
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh grow up, get a grip.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch all over the world.
>>>>> The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and
>>>>> European Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally
>>>>> unchecked... (Why does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500 from Cisco etc
>>>>> ?)
>>>>>
>>>>> And telling stories that create FUD to have folks keep away from doing
>>>>> business with the overseas mfg. pays quiet well...
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's flip this argument for a moment... Do you think that Cisco /
>>>>> Alcatel / Lucent / etc etc don't have some sort of backdoor built into
>>>>> their products for the US/EU governments ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are you worried about an international gov. snooping in your tiny
>>>>> piss-any network, when any gov. can already do so ?
>&

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Eric Kuhnke]

I really don't see the point of trying to prevent shipments of
telecom/IT/networking equipment to Iran, or punishing anybody for selling
telecom/IT/networking gear to Iran:


1) If people in Iran really want the stuff they will simply arrange a way
to buy it from Dubai.

2) Isn't it a good thing to ship any sort of computer/networking/ISP gear
into Iran?  There's a very active community of Iranians who have come up
with local Farsi language documents/training guides and information on how
to run Tor, how to get around government internet censorship, move VPN
traffic through their ISPs' blackholes. Iranians want to read unfettered
media. The US government has a whole Farsi language division funded from
the Voice of America/BBG (Broadcasting Board of Governors) that is trying
to reach Iranians.  There are a shitload of Iranians that want to use
Facebook, Whatsapp, Skype, etc.  More communication with the outside world
is good.

http://www.radiofarda.com/



On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's internet
> snooping and repression, right?
> On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>
>> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.
>>
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0
>>
>> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran
>> and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a
>> little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company
>> that is clearly Huawei.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has
>> by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce?
>> Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100%
>> in line with things the government as a whole says or does?
>>
>> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was
>> bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco
>> which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years
>> and then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?
>>
>> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything
>> "bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and
>> NSA. They have an incredible amount of data and control.
>>
>> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid
>> shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA
>> was caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put
>> backdoors in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper -
>> putting our own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the
>> process?
>>
>> I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't
>> done shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are
>> insinuating that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag
>> while simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own  government
>> and its employees.
>>
>> For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective.
>> On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd ten

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Eric Kuhnke]

People were duplicating the Cisco IOS CLI a long time before Huawei - have
you ever logged into a series of Foundry's gigabit (24/48 port PoE and
non-PoE) switches?



On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ----------
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has
> by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce?
> Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100%
> in line with things the government as a whole says or does?
>
> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was bullshit
> put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which
> was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then
> used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?
>
> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything "bad"
> in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. They
> have an incredible amount of data and control.
>
> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid
> shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA
> was caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put
> backdoors in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper -
> putting our own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the
> process?
>
> I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't done
> shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating
> that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while
> simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own  government and its
> employees.
>
> For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective.
> On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one of
>> the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This
>> person could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result.
>>
>> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>>
>>> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that.
>>> Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you
>>> can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more
>>> costly parts of doing LTE.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good interview.  A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about
>>> though.  First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE?  I realize it isn't a
>>> ton of money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there.  Also,
>>> I'm a little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the
>>> specific "fellow" that they're talking about.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Yep, what goes around comes around... and no one has the exclusive on the 
divide and conquer strategy, along with creating FUD... it is getting rampant 
on all sides... and that is why this has to stop, so that meaningful actions 
can be taken to keep everyone inline. 

This is not limited to just Tech.. but seems to be the most commonly adopted 
corporate strategy by global companies. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 4:11:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

> This.

> There's a lot of finger pointing going on towards any non-us entity, when the
> reality is that the US ones are just as bad if not worse. It's to the point
> where companies outside of the US are making the call to not buy US companies
> equipment and services anymore due to corporate antics and US policies.

> We need to start pointing the finger inwards and voicing our opinions on these
> matters on every outlet we can - voting with dollar bills works too (both in
> purchasing decisions and political campaign contributions).
> On Mar 20 , 2016 3:00 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:

>> I agree with Josh.
>> I don't believe that there is any Global Tech company who has not compromised
>> ethics at one point in time or another

>> Ethics, Morality, Business and Politics are all shifting sands ... nothing 
>> stays
>> still

>> All I am trying to say is, everyone is entitled to their opinions as to who 
>> they
>> do business with and who they don't... If ethics and morality was measure, 
>> and
>> one was being honest and un-biased, then one would find doing business with 
>> any
>> of the big folks to be a problem !

>> Yes, Hauwie stole code from Cisco, and Cisco stole shit from someone else ...
>> http://www.ipnav.com/blog/jury-says-cisco-stole-technology-must-pay-70m/... 
>> ..
>> .what is new ?

>> This is not my fight, my issue is very simple.. if you are going to call 
>> someone
>> dirty than call the others who are dirty too... it is not like the other guys
>> are saints and angles !

>> a

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20 , 2016 3:37:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

>>> I think you're trying to impart ethics on business. Most companies don't 
>>> like
>>> that at all, and only play by those rules when they have to - hence most
>>> massive companies paying little to no taxes, and some like Verizon getting
>>> money back every year.
>>> On Mar 20 , 2016 2:34 PM, "Jason McKemie" < 
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com >
>>> wrote:

>>>> Except they outright stole it. Buying a company for the product or to 
>>>> eliminate
>>>> competition may be immoral, but not the same as copying another company's
>>>> product all the way down to the software bugs.

>>>> On Sunday, March 20 , 2016, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote:

>>>>> They did, sure. What they have now doesn't use that code anymore.

>>>>> I could say the same about many successful companies - they do what they 
>>>>> can get
>>>>> away with, and what makes their shareholders the most money.

>>>>> No different than a company buying one smaller company that had a good 
>>>>> product
>>>>> just to fire all the employees and kill it. Or companies that force their 
>>>>> staff
>>>>> to train their H1B or overseas replacements (Disney, HP, etc).
>>>>> On Mar 20 , 2016 2:10 PM, "Jason McKemie" < 
>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com >
>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>> When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright ripping 
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> companies' products off - not so much software backdoors (many other 
>>>>>> companies
>>>>>> do that).

>>>>>> On Sunday, March 20 , 2016, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
>&

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

This.

There's a lot of finger pointing going on towards any non-us entity, when
the reality is that the US ones are just as bad if not worse. It's to the
point where companies outside of the US are making the call to not buy US
companies equipment and services anymore due to corporate antics and US
policies.

We need to start pointing the finger inwards and voicing our opinions on
these matters on every outlet we can - voting with dollar bills works too
(both in purchasing decisions and political campaign contributions).
On Mar 20, 2016 3:00 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> I agree with Josh.
>
> I don't believe that there is any Global Tech company who has not
> compromised ethics at one point in time or another
>
> Ethics, Morality, Business and Politics are all shifting sands ... nothing
> stays still
>
> All I am trying to say is, everyone is entitled to their opinions as to
> who they do business with and who they don't... If ethics and morality was
> measure, and one was being honest and un-biased, then one would find doing
> business with any of the big folks to be a problem !
>
> Yes, Hauwie stole code from Cisco, and Cisco stole shit from someone else
> ...
> http://www.ipnav.com/blog/jury-says-cisco-stole-technology-must-pay-70m/.
> .what is new ?
>
> This is not my fight, my issue is very simple.. if you are going to call
> someone dirty than call the others who are dirty too... it is not like the
> other guys are saints and angles !
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> ------
>
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 3:37:55 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> I think you're trying to impart ethics on business. Most companies don't
> like that at all, and only play by those rules when they have to - hence
> most massive companies paying little to no taxes, and some like Verizon
> getting money back every year.
> On Mar 20, 2016 2:34 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
>> Except they outright stole it. Buying a company for the product or to
>> eliminate competition may be immoral, but not the same as copying another
>> company's product all the way down to the software bugs.
>>
>> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>>> They did, sure. What they have now doesn't use that code anymore.
>>>
>>> I could say the same about many successful companies - they do what they
>>> can get away with, and what makes their shareholders the most money.
>>>
>>> No different than a company buying one smaller company that had a good
>>> product just to fire all the employees and kill it. Or companies that force
>>> their staff to train their H1B or overseas replacements (Disney, HP, etc).
>>> On Mar 20, 2016 2:10 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright
>>>> ripping other companies' products off - not so much software backdoors
>>>> (many other companies do that).
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh grow up, get a grip.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch all over the world.
>>>>> The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and
>>>>> European Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally
>>>>> unchecked... (Why does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500 from Cisco etc
>>>>> ?)
>>>>>
>>>>> And telling stories that create FUD to have folks keep away from doing
>>>>> business with the overseas mfg. pays quiet well...
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's flip this argument for a moment... Do you think that Cisco /
>>>>> Alcatel / Lucent / etc etc don't have some sort of backdoor built into
>>>>> their products for the US/EU governments ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are you worried about an international gov. snooping in your tiny
>>>>> piss-any network, when any gov. can already do so ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do business with who you like, and don't with who you don't like
>>>>> it's totally your choice
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I agree with Josh. 
I don't believe that there is any Global Tech company who has not compromised 
ethics at one point in time or another 

Ethics, Morality, Business and Politics are all shifting sands ... nothing 
stays still 

All I am trying to say is, everyone is entitled to their opinions as to who 
they do business with and who they don't... If ethics and morality was measure, 
and one was being honest and un-biased, then one would find doing business with 
any of the big folks to be a problem ! 

Yes, Hauwie stole code from Cisco, and Cisco stole shit from someone else ... 
http://www.ipnav.com/blog/jury-says-cisco-stole-technology-must-pay-70m/. 
.what is new ? 

This is not my fight, my issue is very simple.. if you are going to call 
someone dirty than call the others who are dirty too... it is not like the 
other guys are saints and angles ! 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 3:37:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

> I think you're trying to impart ethics on business. Most companies don't like
> that at all, and only play by those rules when they have to - hence most
> massive companies paying little to no taxes, and some like Verizon getting
> money back every year.
> On Mar 20, 2016 2:34 PM, "Jason McKemie" < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com >
> wrote:

>> Except they outright stole it. Buying a company for the product or to 
>> eliminate
>> competition may be immoral, but not the same as copying another company's
>> product all the way down to the software bugs.

>> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote:

>>> They did, sure. What they have now doesn't use that code anymore.

>>> I could say the same about many successful companies - they do what they 
>>> can get
>>> away with, and what makes their shareholders the most money.

>>> No different than a company buying one smaller company that had a good 
>>> product
>>> just to fire all the employees and kill it. Or companies that force their 
>>> staff
>>> to train their H1B or overseas replacements (Disney, HP, etc).
>>> On Mar 20, 2016 2:10 PM, "Jason McKemie" < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
>>> >
>>> wrote:

>>>> When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright ripping 
>>>> other
>>>> companies' products off - not so much software backdoors (many other 
>>>> companies
>>>> do that).

>>>> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
>>>> wrote:

>>>>> Oh grow up, get a grip.

>>>>> The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch all over the world.
>>>>> The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and 
>>>>> European
>>>>> Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally unchecked... 
>>>>> (Why
>>>>> does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500 from Cisco etc ?)

>>>>> And telling stories that create FUD to have folks keep away from doing 
>>>>> business
>>>>> with the overseas mfg. pays quiet well...

>>>>> Let's flip this argument for a moment... Do you think that Cisco / 
>>>>> Alcatel /
>>>>> Lucent / etc etc don't have some sort of backdoor built into their 
>>>>> products for
>>>>> the US/EU governments ?

>>>>> Why are you worried about an international gov. snooping in your tiny 
>>>>> piss-any
>>>>> network, when any gov. can already do so ?

>>>>> Do business with who you like, and don't with who you don't like it's
>>>>> totally your choice

>>>>> But at the end of the day, when the Gov is involved, irrespective of which
>>>>> one... you have to bring your own jar of Vaseline, and they don't kiss in 
>>>>> the
>>>>> morning !

>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom

>>>>>> From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com >
>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:22:11 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

>>>>>> They may be able to sell some of that here do

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

I think you're trying to impart ethics on business. Most companies don't
like that at all, and only play by those rules when they have to - hence
most massive companies paying little to no taxes, and some like Verizon
getting money back every year.
On Mar 20, 2016 2:34 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> Except they outright stole it. Buying a company for the product or to
> eliminate competition may be immoral, but not the same as copying another
> company's product all the way down to the software bugs.
>
> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> They did, sure. What they have now doesn't use that code anymore.
>>
>> I could say the same about many successful companies - they do what they
>> can get away with, and what makes their shareholders the most money.
>>
>> No different than a company buying one smaller company that had a good
>> product just to fire all the employees and kill it. Or companies that force
>> their staff to train their H1B or overseas replacements (Disney, HP, etc).
>> On Mar 20, 2016 2:10 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright ripping
>>> other companies' products off - not so much software backdoors (many other
>>> companies do that).
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh grow up, get a grip.
>>>>
>>>> The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch all over the world.
>>>> The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and
>>>> European Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally
>>>> unchecked... (Why does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500 from Cisco etc
>>>> ?)
>>>>
>>>> And telling stories that create FUD to have folks keep away from doing
>>>> business with the overseas mfg. pays quiet well...
>>>>
>>>> Let's flip this argument for a moment... Do you think that Cisco /
>>>> Alcatel / Lucent / etc etc don't have some sort of backdoor built into
>>>> their products for the US/EU governments ?
>>>>
>>>> Why are you worried about an international gov. snooping in your tiny
>>>> piss-any network, when any gov. can already do so ?
>>>>
>>>> Do business with who you like, and don't with who you don't like....
>>>> it's totally your choice
>>>>
>>>> But at the end of the day, when the Gov is involved, irrespective of
>>>> which one... you have to bring your own jar of Vaseline, and they don't
>>>> kiss in the morning !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:22:11 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>>
>>>> They may be able to sell some of that here domestically, since one of
>>>> the presidential candidates suggested “closing that Internet up in some
>>>> way”.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:00 PM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's
>>>> internet snooping and repression, right?
>>>> On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0
>>>>>
>>>>> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against
>>>>> Iran and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But
>>>>> it’s a little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed
>>>>> company that is clearly Huawei.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Jason McKemie]

Except they outright stole it. Buying a company for the product or to
eliminate competition may be immoral, but not the same as copying another
company's product all the way down to the software bugs.

On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> They did, sure. What they have now doesn't use that code anymore.
>
> I could say the same about many successful companies - they do what they
> can get away with, and what makes their shareholders the most money.
>
> No different than a company buying one smaller company that had a good
> product just to fire all the employees and kill it. Or companies that force
> their staff to train their H1B or overseas replacements (Disney, HP, etc).
> On Mar 20, 2016 2:10 PM, "Jason McKemie"  > wrote:
>
>> When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright ripping
>> other companies' products off - not so much software backdoors (many other
>> companies do that).
>>
>> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz > > wrote:
>>
>>> Oh grow up, get a grip.
>>>
>>> The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch all over the world.
>>> The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and
>>> European Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally
>>> unchecked... (Why does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500 from Cisco etc
>>> ?)
>>>
>>> And telling stories that create FUD to have folks keep away from doing
>>> business with the overseas mfg. pays quiet well...
>>>
>>> Let's flip this argument for a moment... Do you think that Cisco /
>>> Alcatel / Lucent / etc etc don't have some sort of backdoor built into
>>> their products for the US/EU governments ?
>>>
>>> Why are you worried about an international gov. snooping in your tiny
>>> piss-any network, when any gov. can already do so ?
>>>
>>> Do business with who you like, and don't with who you don't like
>>> it's totally your choice
>>>
>>> But at the end of the day, when the Gov is involved, irrespective of
>>> which one... you have to bring your own jar of Vaseline, and they don't
>>> kiss in the morning !
>>>
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:22:11 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>
>>> They may be able to sell some of that here domestically, since one of
>>> the presidential candidates suggested “closing that Internet up in some
>>> way”.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:00 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>
>>>
>>> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's
>>> internet snooping and repression, right?
>>> On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0
>>>>
>>>> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran
>>>> and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a
>>>> little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company
>>>> that is clearly Huawei.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>>
>>>> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is
>>>> indisputable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

Huawei has more headcount than Cisco does staff. They are selling routing,
switching, gpon, and LTE products like hotcakes.
On Mar 20, 2016 2:31 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> That’s pretty old news though.  Huawei is so big now, probably other
> companies are ripping off their stuff.  And with communications gear based
> mostly on open standards, open source software, the same chipsets, it comes
> down to packaging, manufacturing, sales and service.  And the manufacturing
> is all the same too.  Or like Faisal points out, sometimes everything is
> the same except the label and the price.
>
> I remember when I was a kid everyone saying Japanese radios, cameras and
> cars were low quality copies of American (or German) stuff.  And that the
> most famous Russian inventor was named “REGUSPATOFF”.
>
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie 
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright ripping
> other companies' products off - not so much software backdoors (many other
> companies do that).
>
> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
>
>> Oh grow up, get a grip.
>>
>> The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch all over the world.
>> The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and
>> European Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally
>> unchecked... (Why does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500 from Cisco etc
>> ?)
>>
>> And telling stories that create FUD to have folks keep away from doing
>> business with the overseas mfg. pays quiet well...
>>
>> Let's flip this argument for a moment... Do you think that Cisco /
>> Alcatel / Lucent / etc etc don't have some sort of backdoor built into
>> their products for the US/EU governments ?
>>
>> Why are you worried about an international gov. snooping in your tiny
>> piss-any network, when any gov. can already do so ?
>>
>> Do business with who you like, and don't with who you don't like it's
>> totally your choice
>>
>> But at the end of the day, when the Gov is involved, irrespective of
>> which one... you have to bring your own jar of Vaseline, and they don't
>> kiss in the morning !
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
>> *To: *javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:22:11 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>> They may be able to sell some of that here domestically, since one of the
>> presidential candidates suggested “closing that Internet up in some way”.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:00 PM
>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>>
>> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's
>> internet snooping and repression, right?
>> On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@kwisp.com');> wrote:
>>
>>> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0
>>>
>>> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran
>>> and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a
>>> little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company
>>> that is clearly Huawei.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>
>>> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Ken Hohhof]

That’s pretty old news though.  Huawei is so big now, probably other companies 
are ripping off their stuff.  And with communications gear based mostly on open 
standards, open source software, the same chipsets, it comes down to packaging, 
manufacturing, sales and service.  And the manufacturing is all the same too.  
Or like Faisal points out, sometimes everything is the same except the label 
and the price.

I remember when I was a kid everyone saying Japanese radios, cameras and cars 
were low quality copies of American (or German) stuff.  And that the most 
famous Russian inventor was named “REGUSPATOFF”.


From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright ripping other 
companies' products off - not so much software backdoors (many other companies 
do that).

On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

  Oh grow up, get a grip.

  The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch all over the world.
  The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and European 
Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally unchecked... (Why 
does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500 from Cisco etc ?)

  And telling stories that create FUD to have folks keep away from doing 
business with the overseas mfg. pays quiet well...

  Let's flip this argument for a moment... Do you think that Cisco / Alcatel / 
Lucent / etc etc don't have some sort of backdoor built into their products for 
the US/EU governments ? 

  Why are you worried about an international gov. snooping in your tiny 
piss-any network, when any gov. can already do so ? 

  Do business with who you like, and don't with who you don't like it's 
totally your choice

  But at the end of the day, when the Gov is involved, irrespective of which 
one... you have to bring your own jar of Vaseline, and they don't kiss in the 
morning !


  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom




--

From: "Ken Hohhof" 
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:22:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

They may be able to sell some of that here domestically, since one of the 
presidential candidates suggested “closing that Internet up in some way”.



From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:00 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's internet 
snooping and repression, right?

On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" 
 wrote:

  Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.

  
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0

  Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran 
and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a 
little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that is 
clearly Huawei.


  From: Mike Hammett
  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Josh Reynolds" 

  To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
  Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview


  Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has 
by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? Do 
those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in 
line with things the government as a whole says or does?

  You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was 
bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco 
which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and 
then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?

  I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything 
"bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. 
They have an incredible amount of data and control.

  What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid 
shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA was 
caught 

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

They did, sure. What they have now doesn't use that code anymore.

I could say the same about many successful companies - they do what they
can get away with, and what makes their shareholders the most money.

No different than a company buying one smaller company that had a good
product just to fire all the employees and kill it. Or companies that force
their staff to train their H1B or overseas replacements (Disney, HP, etc).
On Mar 20, 2016 2:10 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright ripping
> other companies' products off - not so much software backdoors (many other
> companies do that).
>
> On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
>
>> Oh grow up, get a grip.
>>
>> The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch all over the world.
>> The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and
>> European Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally
>> unchecked... (Why does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500 from Cisco etc
>> ?)
>>
>> And telling stories that create FUD to have folks keep away from doing
>> business with the overseas mfg. pays quiet well...
>>
>> Let's flip this argument for a moment... Do you think that Cisco /
>> Alcatel / Lucent / etc etc don't have some sort of backdoor built into
>> their products for the US/EU governments ?
>>
>> Why are you worried about an international gov. snooping in your tiny
>> piss-any network, when any gov. can already do so ?
>>
>> Do business with who you like, and don't with who you don't like it's
>> totally your choice
>>
>> But at the end of the day, when the Gov is involved, irrespective of
>> which one... you have to bring your own jar of Vaseline, and they don't
>> kiss in the morning !
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:22:11 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>> They may be able to sell some of that here domestically, since one of the
>> presidential candidates suggested “closing that Internet up in some way”.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:00 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>>
>> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's
>> internet snooping and repression, right?
>> On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>>> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0
>>>
>>> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran
>>> and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a
>>> little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company
>>> that is clearly Huawei.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>
>>> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>
>>> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Jason McKemie]

When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright ripping
other companies' products off - not so much software backdoors (many other
companies do that).

On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

> Oh grow up, get a grip.
>
> The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch all over the world.
> The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and
> European Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally
> unchecked... (Why does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500 from Cisco etc
> ?)
>
> And telling stories that create FUD to have folks keep away from doing
> business with the overseas mfg. pays quiet well...
>
> Let's flip this argument for a moment... Do you think that Cisco / Alcatel
> / Lucent / etc etc don't have some sort of backdoor built into their
> products for the US/EU governments ?
>
> Why are you worried about an international gov. snooping in your tiny
> piss-any network, when any gov. can already do so ?
>
> Do business with who you like, and don't with who you don't like it's
> totally your choice
>
> But at the end of the day, when the Gov is involved, irrespective of which
> one... you have to bring your own jar of Vaseline, and they don't kiss in
> the morning !
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>
>
> ------
>
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:22:11 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> They may be able to sell some of that here domestically, since one of the
> presidential candidates suggested “closing that Internet up in some way”.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> 
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's internet
> snooping and repression, right?
> On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  > wrote:
>
>> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.
>>
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0
>>
>> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran
>> and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a
>> little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company
>> that is clearly Huawei.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" > >
>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent: *Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has
>> by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce?
>> Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100%
>> in line with things the government as a whole says or does?
>>
>> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was
>> bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco
>> which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years
>> and then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?
>>
>> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything
>> "bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and
>> NSA. They have an incredible amount of data and control.
>>
>> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routin

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Oh grow up, get a grip. 

The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch all over the world. 
The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and European 
Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally unchecked... (Why 
does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500 from Cisco etc ?) 

And telling stories that create FUD to have folks keep away from doing business 
with the overseas mfg. pays quiet well... 

Let's flip this argument for a moment... Do you think that Cisco / Alcatel / 
Lucent / etc etc don't have some sort of backdoor built into their products for 
the US/EU governments ? 

Why are you worried about an international gov. snooping in your tiny piss-any 
network, when any gov. can already do so ? 

Do business with who you like, and don't with who you don't like it's 
totally your choice 

But at the end of the day, when the Gov is involved, irrespective of which 
one... you have to bring your own jar of Vaseline, and they don't kiss in the 
morning ! 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 

> From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:22:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

> They may be able to sell some of that here domestically, since one of the
> presidential candidates suggested “closing that Internet up in some way”.
> From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Sunday, March 20 , 2016 1:00 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

> You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's internet
> snooping and repression, right?
> On Mar 20 , 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > wrote:

>> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0
>> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran and 
>> not
>> use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic. But it’s a little
>> humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that is
>> clearly Huawei.
>> From: Mike Hammett
>> Sent: Sunday, March 20 , 2016 11:44 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable.

>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions

>> Midwest Internet Exchange

>> The Brothers WISP

>> From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com >
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Saturday, March 19 , 2016 6:44:02 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

>> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has by 
>> any
>> chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? Do those
>> members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in line 
>> with
>> things the government as a whole says or does?

>> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was bullshit 
>> put
>> for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which was 
>> later
>> RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then used in
>> FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?

>> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything "bad" in
>> your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. They have
>> an incredible amount of data and control.

>> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid 
>> shipment
>> and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA was caught
>> weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put backdoors in
>> equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - putting our own
>> countries citizens and world governments at risk in the process?

>> I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't done
>> shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating that
>> every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while 
>> simultaneously
>> holding up a different mirror to our own government and its employees.

>> For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective.
>> On Mar 19 , 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
>> >
>> wrote:

>>> I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one of 
>>> the
>>> lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This 
>>> person
>>> could have had issues with the company as well, and lef

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Ken Hohhof]

They may be able to sell some of that here domestically, since one of the 
presidential candidates suggested “closing that Internet up in some way”.



From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's internet 
snooping and repression, right? 

On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

  Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.

  
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0

  Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran and 
not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a little 
humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that is 
clearly Huawei.


  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

  Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Josh Reynolds" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview


  Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has by 
any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? Do 
those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in 
line with things the government as a whole says or does?

  You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was bullshit 
put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which was 
later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then used in 
FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?

  I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything "bad" in 
your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. They have 
an incredible amount of data and control.

  What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid 
shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA was 
caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put backdoors in 
equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - putting our own 
countries citizens and world governments at risk in the process?

  I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't done 
shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating that 
every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while simultaneously 
holding up a different mirror to our own  government and its employees.

  For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective.

  On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie"  
wrote:

I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one of 
the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This 
person could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result.

On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway  wrote:

  If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that.  
Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
  Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
  To: af
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview



  I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you 
can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more 
costly parts of doing LTE.



  On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  Good interview.  A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about though.  
First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE?  I realize it isn't a ton of money, 
just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there.  Also, I'm a little wary of 
the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the specific "fellow" that 
they're talking about.



  On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's internet
snooping and repression, right?
On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0
>
> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran
> and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a
> little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company
> that is clearly Huawei.
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has
> by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce?
> Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100%
> in line with things the government as a whole says or does?
>
> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was bullshit
> put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which
> was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then
> used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?
>
> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything "bad"
> in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. They
> have an incredible amount of data and control.
>
> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid
> shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA
> was caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put
> backdoors in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper -
> putting our own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the
> process?
>
> I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't done
> shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating
> that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while
> simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own  government and its
> employees.
>
> For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective.
> On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one of
>> the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This
>> person could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result.
>>
>> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>>
>>> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that.
>>> Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you
>>> can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more
>>> costly parts of doing LTE.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good interview.  A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about
>>> though.  First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE?  I realize it isn't a
>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Jason McKemie]

Unrealistic, sure.  I certainly wouldn't support a company that did,
however.

On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0
>
> Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran
> and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a
> little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company
> that is clearly Huawei.
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has
> by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce?
> Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100%
> in line with things the government as a whole says or does?
>
> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was bullshit
> put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which
> was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then
> used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?
>
> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything "bad"
> in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. They
> have an incredible amount of data and control.
>
> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid
> shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA
> was caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put
> backdoors in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper -
> putting our own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the
> process?
>
> I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't done
> shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating
> that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while
> simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own  government and its
> employees.
>
> For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective.
> On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one of
>> the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This
>> person could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result.
>>
>> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>>
>>> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that.
>>> Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you
>>> can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more
>>> costly parts of doing LTE.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good interview.  A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about
>>> though.  First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE?  I realize it isn't a
>>> ton of money, just s

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Ken Hohhof]

Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0

Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran and not 
use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic.  But it’s a little 
humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that is 
clearly Huawei.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview


Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has by any 
chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? Do those 
members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in line with 
things the government as a whole says or does?

You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was bullshit put 
for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which was later 
RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then used in 
FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?

I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything "bad" in 
your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. They have 
an incredible amount of data and control.

What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid 
shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA was 
caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put backdoors in 
equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - putting our own 
countries citizens and world governments at risk in the process?

I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't done 
shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating that 
every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while simultaneously 
holding up a different mirror to our own  government and its employees.

For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective.

On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie"  
wrote:

  I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one of the 
lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This person 
could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result.

  On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway  wrote:

If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that.  Huawei 
is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.



Rory



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
    Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview



I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you can 
most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more costly 
parts of doing LTE.



On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

Good interview.  A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about though.  
First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE?  I realize it isn't a ton of money, 
just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there.  Also, I'm a little wary of 
the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the specific "fellow" that 
they're talking about.



On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Mike Hammett]

Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview 


Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has by any 
chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? Do those 
members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in line with 
things the government as a whole says or does? 
You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was bullshit put 
for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which was later 
RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then used in 
FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right? 
I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything "bad" in 
your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. They have 
an incredible amount of data and control. 
What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid 
shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA was 
caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put backdoors in 
equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - putting our own 
countries citizens and world governments at risk in the process? 
I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't done 
shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating that 
every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while simultaneously 
holding up a different mirror to our own government and its employees. 
For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective. 
On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > 
wrote: 


I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one of the 
lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This person 
could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result. 

On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 





If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that. Huawei is 
both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government. 

Rory 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard 
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM 
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview 


I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you can most 
likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more costly parts 
of doing LTE. 



On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie < 
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com > wrote: 

Good interview. A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about though. First 
of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE? I realize it isn't a ton of money, just 
seems like an expense that shouldn't be there. Also, I'm a little wary of the 
Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the specific "fellow" that 
they're talking about. 





On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Jason McKemie]

I'm pretty sure that's the exact thing I was saying, for fukes sake.

On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has
> by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce?
> Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100%
> in line with things the government as a whole says or does?
>
> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was bullshit
> put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which
> was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then
> used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?
>
> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything "bad"
> in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. They
> have an incredible amount of data and control.
>
> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid
> shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA
> was caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put
> backdoors in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper -
> putting our own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the
> process?
>
> I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't done
> shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating
> that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while
> simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own  government and its
> employees.
>
> For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective.
> On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie"  > wrote:
>
>> I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one of
>> the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This
>> person could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result.
>>
>> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway > > wrote:
>>
>>> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that.
>>> Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you
>>> can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more
>>> costly parts of doing LTE.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good interview.  A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about
>>> though.  First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE?  I realize it isn't a
>>> ton of money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there.  Also,
>>> I'm a little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the
>>> specific "fellow" that they're talking about.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

Cost of labor is too high until our automation gets better. Amazon, Google,
and others are working really hard on that aspect.

China also has a natural abundance of rare earth metals, which are used to
make high level electronic components.

On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> That confuses me. I understand having to penny pinch on lower and maybe
> mid end gear, you'd think they could make the more expensive stuff here
> though.
>
> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> And even companies like Calix, Juniper, Cisco, HP etc... All made in
>> China.
>>
>> There has been some production lately at small scale in Canada and
>> Mexico, but I haven't seen anything significant.
>> On Mar 19, 2016 6:43 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:
>>
>>> They make a point of saying there is no government ownership.  The
>>> founder previously was some high level LTE manager at Huawei.
>>>
>>> It’s not like there are any US companies making LTE gear.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Rory Conaway
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:20 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>
>>>
>>> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that.
>>> Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you
>>> can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more
>>> costly parts of doing LTE.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good interview.  A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about
>>> though.  First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE?  I realize it isn't a
>>> ton of money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there.  Also,
>>> I'm a little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the
>>> specific "fellow" that they're talking about.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Jason McKemie]

That confuses me. I understand having to penny pinch on lower and maybe mid
end gear, you'd think they could make the more expensive stuff here though.

On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> And even companies like Calix, Juniper, Cisco, HP etc... All made in China.
>
> There has been some production lately at small scale in Canada and Mexico,
> but I haven't seen anything significant.
> On Mar 19, 2016 6:43 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  > wrote:
>
>> They make a point of saying there is no government ownership.  The
>> founder previously was some high level LTE manager at Huawei.
>>
>> It’s not like there are any US companies making LTE gear.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Rory Conaway
>> 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:20 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>>
>> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that.
>> Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Mathew
>> Howard
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you
>> can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more
>> costly parts of doing LTE.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Good interview.  A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about though.
>> First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE?  I realize it isn't a ton of
>> money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there.  Also, I'm a
>> little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the
>> specific "fellow" that they're talking about.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett > > wrote:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Rory Conaway]

Josh, I believe you and I may know more about what Huawei is involved with than 
either of us can discuss publicly.  I don’t know if Huawei is involved with 
Baicel at this point or not, I will do my research if and when I decide they 
are something I want to look at.  I don’t care what Cisco or the corrupt 
politicians and bureaucrats they own say or have done.  My statement is for me 
only, others can take it any way they want.  If they are clean, then I will 
consider them.  I just don’t know at this point.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview


Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has by any 
chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? Do those 
members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in line with 
things the government as a whole says or does?

You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was bullshit put 
for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which was later 
RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then used in 
FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?

I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything "bad" in 
your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. They have 
an incredible amount of data and control.

What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid 
shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA was 
caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put backdoors in 
equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - putting our own 
countries citizens and world governments at risk in the process?

I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't done 
shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating that 
every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while simultaneously 
holding up a different mirror to our own  government and its employees.

For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective.
On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:
I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one of the 
lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This person 
could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result.

On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that.  Huawei is 
both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you can most 
likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more costly parts 
of doing LTE.

On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie 
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:
Good interview.  A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about though.  First 
of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE?  I realize it isn't a ton of money, just 
seems like an expense that shouldn't be there.  Also, I'm a little wary of the 
Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the specific "fellow" that 
they're talking about.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
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Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Eric Kuhnke]

The NSA may do (and likely does) all of the above, it's been extensively
reported. The main difference is that while the NSA is acting like a
signals intelligence agency, it's doing its stated purpose, the US Internet
is *not*

*censored. *
The Chinese "great firewall" is a very real thing. Huge numbers of things
are blocked in China. Yes, American companies and equipment vendors have
been complicit in this in the past.

In the US an ISP can be forced to take something offline through a court
order, for a very specific reason. In China all international internet
traffic in/out of the country is filtered through government run equipment.
Try saying something against the Party on Sina Weibo and see how long your
account stays active. Basic things like BBC News and the New York Times are
blocked in China.

I don't think that we in the US realize how good we have it as far as an
unfettered Internet where the constitution protects ISPs. Even basic things
like VoIP traffic that is seen as a revenue threat to national telecoms (or
government ministers' rich friends) is blocked in many places. Try running
a SIP basic VoIP service in most Arabic speaking countries and see how long
your business plan survives.

On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has
> by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce?
> Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100%
> in line with things the government as a whole says or does?
>
> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was bullshit
> put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which
> was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then
> used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?
>
> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything "bad"
> in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. They
> have an incredible amount of data and control.
>
> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid
> shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA
> was caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put
> backdoors in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper -
> putting our own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the
> process?
>
> I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't done
> shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating
> that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while
> simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own  government and its
> employees.
>
> For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective.
> On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one of
>> the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This
>> person could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result.
>>
>> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>>
>>> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that.
>>> Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you
>>> can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more
>>> costly parts of doing LTE.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good interview.  A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about
>>> though.  First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE?  I realize it isn't a
>>> ton of money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there.  Also,
>>> I'm a little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the
>>> specific "fellow" that they're talking about.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

Sorry wasn't directing at you specifically, just happened to reply to the
thread after your post :)
On Mar 19, 2016 7:02 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> I'm pretty sure that's the exact thing I was saying, for fukes sake.
>
> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has
>> by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce?
>> Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100%
>> in line with things the government as a whole says or does?
>>
>> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was
>> bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco
>> which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years
>> and then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?
>>
>> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything
>> "bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and
>> NSA. They have an incredible amount of data and control.
>>
>> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid
>> shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA
>> was caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put
>> backdoors in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper -
>> putting our own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the
>> process?
>>
>> I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't
>> done shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are
>> insinuating that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag
>> while simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own  government
>> and its employees.
>>
>> For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective.
>> On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one
>>> of the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious.
>>> This person could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a
>>> result.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that.
>>>> Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
>>>> *To:* af
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you
>>>> can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more
>>>> costly parts of doing LTE.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Good interview.  A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about
>>>> though.  First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE?  I realize it isn't a
>>>> ton of money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there.  Also,
>>>> I'm a little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the
>>>> specific "fellow" that they're talking about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

And even companies like Calix, Juniper, Cisco, HP etc... All made in China.

There has been some production lately at small scale in Canada and Mexico,
but I haven't seen anything significant.
On Mar 19, 2016 6:43 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> They make a point of saying there is no government ownership.  The founder
> previously was some high level LTE manager at Huawei.
>
> It’s not like there are any US companies making LTE gear.
>
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that.
> Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
>
> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you can
> most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more
> costly parts of doing LTE.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> Good interview.  A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about though.
> First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE?  I realize it isn't a ton of
> money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there.  Also, I'm a
> little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the
> specific "fellow" that they're talking about.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Jason McKemie]

In other words, I don't disagree that the guy may not have been any part of
the bad things Huawei has done in the past or present. At the same time, he
could have been as well, and being upper level there makes it more
suspicious to me.

On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Jason McKemie 
wrote:

> I'm pretty sure that's the exact thing I was saying, for fukes sake.
>
> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:
>
>> Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has
>> by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce?
>> Do those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100%
>> in line with things the government as a whole says or does?
>>
>> You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was
>> bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco
>> which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years
>> and then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?
>>
>> I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything
>> "bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and
>> NSA. They have an incredible amount of data and control.
>>
>> What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid
>> shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA
>> was caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put
>> backdoors in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper -
>> putting our own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the
>> process?
>>
>> I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't
>> done shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are
>> insinuating that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag
>> while simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own  government
>> and its employees.
>>
>> For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective.
>> On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one
>>> of the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious.
>>> This person could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a
>>> result.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that.
>>>> Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rory
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
>>>> *To:* af
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you
>>>> can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more
>>>> costly parts of doing LTE.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Good interview.  A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about
>>>> though.  First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE?  I realize it isn't a
>>>> ton of money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there.  Also,
>>>> I'm a little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the
>>>> specific "fellow" that they're talking about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has by
any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? Do
those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in
line with things the government as a whole says or does?

You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was bullshit
put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco which
was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and then
used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?

I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything "bad"
in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA. They
have an incredible amount of data and control.

What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid
shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA
was caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put
backdoors in equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper -
putting our own countries citizens and world governments at risk in the
process?

I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't done
shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating
that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while
simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own  government and its
employees.

For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective.
On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one of
> the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This
> person could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result.
>
> On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>
>> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that.
>> Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you
>> can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more
>> costly parts of doing LTE.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> Good interview.  A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about though.
>> First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE?  I realize it isn't a ton of
>> money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there.  Also, I'm a
>> little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the
>> specific "fellow" that they're talking about.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Ken Hohhof]

They make a point of saying there is no government ownership.  The founder 
previously was some high level LTE manager at Huawei.

It’s not like there are any US companies making LTE gear.


From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that.  Huawei is 
both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

 

I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you can most 
likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more costly parts 
of doing LTE.

 

On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

Good interview.  A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about though.  First 
of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE?  I realize it isn't a ton of money, just 
seems like an expense that shouldn't be there.  Also, I'm a little wary of the 
Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the specific "fellow" that 
they're talking about.

 

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP





 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Jason McKemie]

I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one of
the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This
person could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result.

On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that.
> Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Mathew
> Howard
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
>
> I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you can
> most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more
> costly parts of doing LTE.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
> > wrote:
>
> Good interview.  A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about though.
> First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE?  I realize it isn't a ton of
> money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there.  Also, I'm a
> little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the
> specific "fellow" that they're talking about.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  > wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Rory Conaway]

If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that.  Huawei is 
both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you can most 
likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more costly parts 
of doing LTE.

On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie 
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:
Good interview.  A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about though.  First 
of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE?  I realize it isn't a ton of money, just 
seems like an expense that shouldn't be there.  Also, I'm a little wary of the 
Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the specific "fellow" that 
they're talking about.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett 
mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Mathew Howard]

I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC you can
most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more
costly parts of doing LTE.

On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Good interview.  A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about though.
> First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE?  I realize it isn't a ton of
> money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there.  Also, I'm a
> little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the
> specific "fellow" that they're talking about.
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Jason McKemie]

Good interview.  A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about though.
First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE?  I realize it isn't a ton of
money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there.  Also, I'm a
little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the
specific "fellow" that they're talking about.

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Ty Featherling]

Great interview. He sounds like he means what he is saying which helps. Not
going to jump to any conclusions but I now know that I want to keep an eye
on their progress.

-Ty



-Ty

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Reynolds]

You thought it was a bourbon tasting and decided to not go?!?!?!!!

This country is falling apart! ;)
On Mar 19, 2016 11:55 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> I thought that was a Bourbon tasting.  I should have gone.
>
> *From:* Simon Westlake 
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 11:46 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
> Not while on the trade show floor. There was a separate infant soul
> drinking reception later that many of us attended. Shame you missed it!
> On Mar 19, 2016 10:54 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> At any point did Patrick take an infant and crack open its neck to drink
>> it's soul?
>> On Mar 19, 2016 10:40 AM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:
>>
>>> I had a pretty long talk with their team there - they seem very
>>> committed to getting a solid, WISP focused product in place.
>>>
>>> On 3/18/2016 10:22 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
>>>
>>> Great interview. He sounds like he means what he is saying which helps.
>>> Not going to jump to any conclusions but I now know that I want to keep an
>>> eye on their progress.
>>>
>>> -Ty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Ty
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Simon Westlake
>>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>>> ---
>>> Sonar Software Inc
>>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Ken Hohhof]

I thought that was a Bourbon tasting.  I should have gone.

From: Simon Westlake 
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

Not while on the trade show floor. There was a separate infant soul drinking 
reception later that many of us attended. Shame you missed it!

On Mar 19, 2016 10:54 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:

  At any point did Patrick take an infant and crack open its neck to drink it's 
soul?

  On Mar 19, 2016 10:40 AM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:

I had a pretty long talk with their team there - they seem very committed 
to getting a solid, WISP focused product in place.


On 3/18/2016 10:22 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:

  Great interview. He sounds like he means what he is saying which helps. 
Not going to jump to any conclusions but I now know that I want to keep an eye 
on their progress. 

  -Ty



  -Ty

  On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








-- 
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Simon Westlake]

Not while on the trade show floor. There was a separate infant soul
drinking reception later that many of us attended. Shame you missed it!
On Mar 19, 2016 10:54 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> At any point did Patrick take an infant and crack open its neck to drink
> it's soul?
> On Mar 19, 2016 10:40 AM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:
>
>> I had a pretty long talk with their team there - they seem very committed
>> to getting a solid, WISP focused product in place.
>>
>> On 3/18/2016 10:22 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
>>
>> Great interview. He sounds like he means what he is saying which helps.
>> Not going to jump to any conclusions but I now know that I want to keep an
>> eye on their progress.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Ken Hohhof]

Did you watch the video interview?  Seems like Patrick has switched to decaf.  
I take him at his word in the video, it’s easier to sell something your 
customers can afford.  Also he has others on his team well known to WISPs, so 
he doesn’t have to be a one man show.

Now if he could talk them out of the name “BroFi”.


From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 10:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

At any point did Patrick take an infant and crack open its neck to drink it's 
soul?

On Mar 19, 2016 10:40 AM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:

  I had a pretty long talk with their team there - they seem very committed to 
getting a solid, WISP focused product in place.


  On 3/18/2016 10:22 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:

Great interview. He sounds like he means what he is saying which helps. Not 
going to jump to any conclusions but I now know that I want to keep an eye on 
their progress. 

-Ty



-Ty

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP








-- 
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Josh Luthman]

Ya not a fan of BroFi

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 19, 2016 11:23 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Did you watch the video interview?  Seems like Patrick has switched to
> decaf.  I take him at his word in the video, it’s easier to sell something
> your customers can afford.  Also he has others on his team well known to
> WISPs, so he doesn’t have to be a one man show.
>
> Now if he could talk them out of the name “BroFi”.
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2016 10:54 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
>
>
> At any point did Patrick take an infant and crack open its neck to drink
> it's soul?
> On Mar 19, 2016 10:40 AM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:
>
>> I had a pretty long talk with their team there - they seem very committed
>> to getting a solid, WISP focused product in place.
>>
>> On 3/18/2016 10:22 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
>>
>> Great interview. He sounds like he means what he is saying which helps.
>> Not going to jump to any conclusions but I now know that I want to keep an
>> eye on their progress.
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>>
>>
>> -Ty
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Simon Westlake
>> Skype: Simon_Sonar
>> Email: simon@sonar.software
>> Phone: (702) 447-1247
>> ---
>> Sonar Software Inc
>> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

At any point did Patrick take an infant and crack open its neck to drink
it's soul?
On Mar 19, 2016 10:40 AM, "Simon Westlake"  wrote:

> I had a pretty long talk with their team there - they seem very committed
> to getting a solid, WISP focused product in place.
>
> On 3/18/2016 10:22 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
>
> Great interview. He sounds like he means what he is saying which helps.
> Not going to jump to any conclusions but I now know that I want to keep an
> eye on their progress.
>
> -Ty
>
>
>
> -Ty
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The next generation of ISP billing and OSShttps://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview

[Simon Westlake]

I had a pretty long talk with their team there - they seem very 
committed to getting a solid, WISP focused product in place.


On 3/18/2016 10:22 AM, Ty Featherling wrote:
Great interview. He sounds like he means what he is saying which 
helps. Not going to jump to any conclusions but I now know that I want 
to keep an eye on their progress.


-Ty



-Ty

On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett > wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 








--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software