Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?
To be clear, we don't use something like an APC UPS. We do a battery array with a charge controller. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Vince West via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Kade, I can't speak on the fiber, because we have used a few different kinds over the builds we have done. My favorite has been bend insensitive fiber. It is small and can make the same turns the Ethernet and power can without risking a break. It is also really thin and makes for easier movement when securing the cable. In terms of the PacketFlux gear in the air, if the site is done properly and grounded, there shouldn't be any problems. I have only had to replace two of them since we started building our larger sites out like this. The list Gerard gave is missing two items I believe: breakers and fuses. More often than not, the fuses on the ground are the ones that go. We have one site where our box is 360ft on the tower. This site almost always suffers some kind of issue in major lightning storms. It trips a breaker at the base. The drive out is 20 minutes and worth while compared to having to climb the tower when the storm is over. We do not use UPSs anymore on the large deployments. The DC box stays on the ground because the power line going up the tower is either fused or has it's own DC breaker. We also have a site monitor at the base to monitor voltage levels on the batteries and we can graph the stats to troubleshoot in the future. Because we use a breaker or fuse in our DC system going from the top to the bottom, it would be a pain to still have to climb to replace a fuse if necessary. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you guys find that the packetflux gear has a high survival rate up there? We have a site that needs converted to DC and recabled, and are considering this route. Our thinking is, why put the dc box at the bottom when we can just put the thing up at the top and run nothing down to the bottom except power. All our backhauls are half way up the tower, no reason to even have anything at the bottom except the UPS. What type of fiber are you guys using for attaching to the tower? We will need to run a fiber from 1 level to another on the tower to feed the backhauls to the APs, and are unsure which type fiber cable to look at. Should we use armored fiber and just ground the jacket to the tower on each end, or do we want fiber with no metal jacket so that it's not conductive? On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Gerard Dupont III via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Our Top boxes usually contain the following. 1x Sitemonitor 2x GigabitSyncInjectors 1x Citel DS210-48DC 2x Traco TCL 060-124 DC Down Convertors - http://www.tracopower.com/products/tcl-dc.pdf 1x RB2011 2x APC PRM4 Surge Chasis 8x GigEAPC-HV Gerard On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We use this, and solder two legs together. We send 48v DC up to the top and downconvert. I think we've gone about 450' with this configuration (including up the tower and along the cable raceway to the inside of a building) However, that's primarily why we send 48v up and downconvert, because of the voltage loss. Gives very clean 24v power to the equipment. http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Portable-Power-Gauge-Conductor/dp/B0076ZT4C2 It would probably be better for me to take a picture of one of our boxes. We are continually building them as we continue our wireless upgrades. I don't remember if Gerard resub'd to this list after it moved, but he's the engineer behind the box. He can give you parts. Regards, Chuck On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Chuck, Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ? I can't seem to find what I need Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years. http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html Outdoor, UV resistant, etc. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?
What are u using? Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!! On Oct 4, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: To be clear, we don't use something like an APC UPS. We do a battery array with a charge controller. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Vince West via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Kade, I can't speak on the fiber, because we have used a few different kinds over the builds we have done. My favorite has been bend insensitive fiber. It is small and can make the same turns the Ethernet and power can without risking a break. It is also really thin and makes for easier movement when securing the cable. In terms of the PacketFlux gear in the air, if the site is done properly and grounded, there shouldn't be any problems. I have only had to replace two of them since we started building our larger sites out like this. The list Gerard gave is missing two items I believe: breakers and fuses. More often than not, the fuses on the ground are the ones that go. We have one site where our box is 360ft on the tower. This site almost always suffers some kind of issue in major lightning storms. It trips a breaker at the base. The drive out is 20 minutes and worth while compared to having to climb the tower when the storm is over. We do not use UPSs anymore on the large deployments. The DC box stays on the ground because the power line going up the tower is either fused or has it's own DC breaker. We also have a site monitor at the base to monitor voltage levels on the batteries and we can graph the stats to troubleshoot in the future. Because we use a breaker or fuse in our DC system going from the top to the bottom, it would be a pain to still have to climb to replace a fuse if necessary. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232tel:1-888-364-4232 On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Do you guys find that the packetflux gear has a high survival rate up there? We have a site that needs converted to DC and recabled, and are considering this route. Our thinking is, why put the dc box at the bottom when we can just put the thing up at the top and run nothing down to the bottom except power. All our backhauls are half way up the tower, no reason to even have anything at the bottom except the UPS. What type of fiber are you guys using for attaching to the tower? We will need to run a fiber from 1 level to another on the tower to feed the backhauls to the APs, and are unsure which type fiber cable to look at. Should we use armored fiber and just ground the jacket to the tower on each end, or do we want fiber with no metal jacket so that it's not conductive? On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Gerard Dupont III via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Our Top boxes usually contain the following. 1x Sitemonitor 2x GigabitSyncInjectors 1x Citel DS210-48DC 2x Traco TCL 060-124 DC Down Convertors - http://www.tracopower.com/products/tcl-dc.pdf 1x RB2011 2x APC PRM4 Surge Chasis 8x GigEAPC-HV Gerard On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We use this, and solder two legs together. We send 48v DC up to the top and downconvert. I think we've gone about 450' with this configuration (including up the tower and along the cable raceway to the inside of a building) However, that's primarily why we send 48v up and downconvert, because of the voltage loss. Gives very clean 24v power to the equipment. http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Portable-Power-Gauge-Conductor/dp/B0076ZT4C2 It would probably be better for me to take a picture of one of our boxes. We are continually building them as we continue our wireless upgrades. I don't remember if Gerard resub'd to this list after it moved, but he's the engineer behind the box. He can give you parts. Regards, Chuck On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Chuck, Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ? I can't seem to find what I need Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years. http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html Outdoor, UV resistant, etc. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent
Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?
Traco Charge Controller Power supply. TSP-BCM48 TSP 360–148 Regards, Chuck On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What are u using? Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!! On Oct 4, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: To be clear, we don't use something like an APC UPS. We do a battery array with a charge controller. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Vince West via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Kade, I can't speak on the fiber, because we have used a few different kinds over the builds we have done. My favorite has been bend insensitive fiber. It is small and can make the same turns the Ethernet and power can without risking a break. It is also really thin and makes for easier movement when securing the cable. In terms of the PacketFlux gear in the air, if the site is done properly and grounded, there shouldn't be any problems. I have only had to replace two of them since we started building our larger sites out like this. The list Gerard gave is missing two items I believe: breakers and fuses. More often than not, the fuses on the ground are the ones that go. We have one site where our box is 360ft on the tower. This site almost always suffers some kind of issue in major lightning storms. It trips a breaker at the base. The drive out is 20 minutes and worth while compared to having to climb the tower when the storm is over. We do not use UPSs anymore on the large deployments. The DC box stays on the ground because the power line going up the tower is either fused or has it's own DC breaker. We also have a site monitor at the base to monitor voltage levels on the batteries and we can graph the stats to troubleshoot in the future. Because we use a breaker or fuse in our DC system going from the top to the bottom, it would be a pain to still have to climb to replace a fuse if necessary. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you guys find that the packetflux gear has a high survival rate up there? We have a site that needs converted to DC and recabled, and are considering this route. Our thinking is, why put the dc box at the bottom when we can just put the thing up at the top and run nothing down to the bottom except power. All our backhauls are half way up the tower, no reason to even have anything at the bottom except the UPS. What type of fiber are you guys using for attaching to the tower? We will need to run a fiber from 1 level to another on the tower to feed the backhauls to the APs, and are unsure which type fiber cable to look at. Should we use armored fiber and just ground the jacket to the tower on each end, or do we want fiber with no metal jacket so that it's not conductive? On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Gerard Dupont III via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Our Top boxes usually contain the following. 1x Sitemonitor 2x GigabitSyncInjectors 1x Citel DS210-48DC 2x Traco TCL 060-124 DC Down Convertors - http://www.tracopower.com/products/tcl-dc.pdf 1x RB2011 2x APC PRM4 Surge Chasis 8x GigEAPC-HV Gerard On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We use this, and solder two legs together. We send 48v DC up to the top and downconvert. I think we've gone about 450' with this configuration (including up the tower and along the cable raceway to the inside of a building) However, that's primarily why we send 48v up and downconvert, because of the voltage loss. Gives very clean 24v power to the equipment. http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Portable-Power-Gauge-Conductor/dp/B0076ZT4C2 It would probably be better for me to take a picture of one of our boxes. We are continually building them as we continue our wireless upgrades. I don't remember if Gerard resub'd to this list after it moved, but he's the engineer behind the box. He can give you parts. Regards, Chuck On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Chuck, Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ? I can't seem to find what I need Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years. http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html Outdoor, UV resistant, etc. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined
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That's where having sync built-in is nice. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Baird via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 9:27:11 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower? If the radios did have SFPs, wouldn't you still need to provide sync (which would mean additional cables)? On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=1cad=rjauact=8ved=0CC0QFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.commscope.com%2FDocs%2FHELIAX_FFDirect_Brochure_BR-107083.pdfei=uhQoVLffMIWayQSu5YCoBAusg=AFQjCNFvqSzEDLibQ4WCTebhIbt3KgEQYQsig2=gR3vElbGdefgDpcYEtvB2Qbvm=bv.76247554,d.aWw I'm getting pricing on this - if it's anything remotely reasonable I'm really thinking about using this for tower sites. With 3 fiber feeds and 3 power feeds I can use one power/fiber pair to each of the SAF Integra's, and use the other one to go to a enclosure with power and a switch to connect to the APs'. I'm trying to find out if I can get a small switch and a PacketFlux Syncinjector stuffed into a 3M Tower Dome Closure: http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=6UgxGCuNyXTtoxMVlxMVEVtQEcuZgVs6EVs6E66--fn=Tower_Dome_Terminal_TDT_T_25_6RS The combination seems like it would solve a lot of problems. It gives us one cable up the tower and the cable fits properly into standard tower hangers. The dome closure can be built on the ground with appropriate length cables to each AP so that the whole thing can be assembled on the ground and then hoisted into place so that the tower monkeys only have to plug things in. The other nice part is if you are using contract tower crews the whole thing looks just like installing a standard Remote Radio Unit (RRU) radio head, so they should both not need a lot of retraining. If we could get our radio manufacturers to start making equipment with SFP's this would be even easier. That's a hint there Cambium. Mark On 9/28/14, 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote: blockquote We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: blockquote This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years. http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html Outdoor, UV resistant, etc. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!! /blockquote -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021 /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?
Kade, I can't speak on the fiber, because we have used a few different kinds over the builds we have done. My favorite has been bend insensitive fiber. It is small and can make the same turns the Ethernet and power can without risking a break. It is also really thin and makes for easier movement when securing the cable. In terms of the PacketFlux gear in the air, if the site is done properly and grounded, there shouldn't be any problems. I have only had to replace two of them since we started building our larger sites out like this. The list Gerard gave is missing two items I believe: breakers and fuses. More often than not, the fuses on the ground are the ones that go. We have one site where our box is 360ft on the tower. This site almost always suffers some kind of issue in major lightning storms. It trips a breaker at the base. The drive out is 20 minutes and worth while compared to having to climb the tower when the storm is over. We do not use UPSs anymore on the large deployments. The DC box stays on the ground because the power line going up the tower is either fused or has it's own DC breaker. We also have a site monitor at the base to monitor voltage levels on the batteries and we can graph the stats to troubleshoot in the future. Because we use a breaker or fuse in our DC system going from the top to the bottom, it would be a pain to still have to climb to replace a fuse if necessary. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Kade Sullivan via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do you guys find that the packetflux gear has a high survival rate up there? We have a site that needs converted to DC and recabled, and are considering this route. Our thinking is, why put the dc box at the bottom when we can just put the thing up at the top and run nothing down to the bottom except power. All our backhauls are half way up the tower, no reason to even have anything at the bottom except the UPS. What type of fiber are you guys using for attaching to the tower? We will need to run a fiber from 1 level to another on the tower to feed the backhauls to the APs, and are unsure which type fiber cable to look at. Should we use armored fiber and just ground the jacket to the tower on each end, or do we want fiber with no metal jacket so that it's not conductive? On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Gerard Dupont III via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Our Top boxes usually contain the following. 1x Sitemonitor 2x GigabitSyncInjectors 1x Citel DS210-48DC 2x Traco TCL 060-124 DC Down Convertors - http://www.tracopower.com/products/tcl-dc.pdf 1x RB2011 2x APC PRM4 Surge Chasis 8x GigEAPC-HV Gerard On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We use this, and solder two legs together. We send 48v DC up to the top and downconvert. I think we've gone about 450' with this configuration (including up the tower and along the cable raceway to the inside of a building) However, that's primarily why we send 48v up and downconvert, because of the voltage loss. Gives very clean 24v power to the equipment. http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Portable-Power-Gauge-Conductor/dp/B0076ZT4C2 It would probably be better for me to take a picture of one of our boxes. We are continually building them as we continue our wireless upgrades. I don't remember if Gerard resub'd to this list after it moved, but he's the engineer behind the box. He can give you parts. Regards, Chuck On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Chuck, Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ? I can't seem to find what I need Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years. http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html Outdoor, UV resistant, etc. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
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Cisco IE-3000 4TC sounds like exactly what you are looking for. It runs on 18-60VDC and can operate up to 167 degrees Fahrenheit. On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: At $4.10 it's not great, but I would probably go for it. Biggest driver for me would be the single cable up the tower and the ease of securing that cable. I used to do 'box at the top' and moved to individual runs to the base. The cabling is a nuisance with everything at the bottom which is why I am looking at going back to the 'box at the top' method. I have not found a great deal of difference in equipment survival either way. As for switches I'm considering doing 2 of these to serve 4 AP's - http://www.garrettcom.com/csg14.htm Using simplex SFP's I can use one fiber for each convertor. So far I have not found a 4 port GigE + 1 SFP extended temperature DIN rail mount switch. Still looking. Mark On 9/28/14, 11:00 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote: I have requested pricing on this as well. I think that in the end, it was overly expensive (something like 4x the cost of doing 2 split runs, $4.10/ft or something like that). If we could get that even within 15% of what I'm paying now, I'd be happy. Regards, Chuck -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
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I've tried a few of these and seem to like them: http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product.php?id=48479 -40 to 70C 8x1G copper and 2xSFP No routing, but for the need, it'd work and is DIN rail mounted. -c -- Cassidy B. Larson CTO - InfoWest, Inc. Voice: 435-773-6073 c...@infowest.com On Oct 3, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Cisco IE-3000 4TC sounds like exactly what you are looking for. It runs on 18-60VDC and can operate up to 167 degrees Fahrenheit. On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: At $4.10 it's not great, but I would probably go for it. Biggest driver for me would be the single cable up the tower and the ease of securing that cable. I used to do 'box at the top' and moved to individual runs to the base. The cabling is a nuisance with everything at the bottom which is why I am looking at going back to the 'box at the top' method. I have not found a great deal of difference in equipment survival either way. As for switches I'm considering doing 2 of these to serve 4 AP's - http://www.garrettcom.com/csg14.htm Using simplex SFP's I can use one fiber for each convertor. So far I have not found a 4 port GigE + 1 SFP extended temperature DIN rail mount switch. Still looking. Mark On 9/28/14, 11:00 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote: I have requested pricing on this as well. I think that in the end, it was overly expensive (something like 4x the cost of doing 2 split runs, $4.10/ft or something like that). If we could get that even within 15% of what I'm paying now, I'd be happy. Regards, Chuck -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
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Do you guys find that the packetflux gear has a high survival rate up there? We have a site that needs converted to DC and recabled, and are considering this route. Our thinking is, why put the dc box at the bottom when we can just put the thing up at the top and run nothing down to the bottom except power. All our backhauls are half way up the tower, no reason to even have anything at the bottom except the UPS. What type of fiber are you guys using for attaching to the tower? We will need to run a fiber from 1 level to another on the tower to feed the backhauls to the APs, and are unsure which type fiber cable to look at. Should we use armored fiber and just ground the jacket to the tower on each end, or do we want fiber with no metal jacket so that it's not conductive? On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Gerard Dupont III via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Our Top boxes usually contain the following. 1x Sitemonitor 2x GigabitSyncInjectors 1x Citel DS210-48DC 2x Traco TCL 060-124 DC Down Convertors - http://www.tracopower.com/products/tcl-dc.pdf 1x RB2011 2x APC PRM4 Surge Chasis 8x GigEAPC-HV Gerard On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We use this, and solder two legs together. We send 48v DC up to the top and downconvert. I think we've gone about 450' with this configuration (including up the tower and along the cable raceway to the inside of a building) However, that's primarily why we send 48v up and downconvert, because of the voltage loss. Gives very clean 24v power to the equipment. http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Portable-Power-Gauge-Conductor/dp/B0076ZT4C2 It would probably be better for me to take a picture of one of our boxes. We are continually building them as we continue our wireless upgrades. I don't remember if Gerard resub'd to this list after it moved, but he's the engineer behind the box. He can give you parts. Regards, Chuck On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Chuck, Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ? I can't seem to find what I need Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years. http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html Outdoor, UV resistant, etc. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
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Ahem Tesla's fused thoughts before Marconi stole them. Jaime Solorza On Sep 27, 2014 12:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
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We have been installing sensors down 600 ft well pipes that are 24vdc on current project. Cable looks like heavy jacketed Cat 5 with three leads and a strong pull guide inside. That connects to box outside the control room and about 15 more feet via conduit to RTU panel Jaime Solorza On Sep 27, 2014 12:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
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We have been installing sensors down 600 ft well pipes that are 24vdc on current project. Cable looks like heavy jacketed Cat 5 with three leads and a strong pull guide inside. That connects to box outside the control room Jaime Solorza On Sep 27, 2014 12:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
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Our Top boxes usually contain the following. 1x Sitemonitor 2x GigabitSyncInjectors 1x Citel DS210-48DC 2x Traco TCL 060-124 DC Down Convertors - http://www.tracopower.com/products/tcl-dc.pdf 1x RB2011 2x APC PRM4 Surge Chasis 8x GigEAPC-HV Gerard On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We use this, and solder two legs together. We send 48v DC up to the top and downconvert. I think we've gone about 450' with this configuration (including up the tower and along the cable raceway to the inside of a building) However, that's primarily why we send 48v up and downconvert, because of the voltage loss. Gives very clean 24v power to the equipment. http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Portable-Power-Gauge-Conductor/dp/B0076ZT4C2 It would probably be better for me to take a picture of one of our boxes. We are continually building them as we continue our wireless upgrades. I don't remember if Gerard resub'd to this list after it moved, but he's the engineer behind the box. He can give you parts. Regards, Chuck On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Chuck, Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ? I can't seem to find what I need Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years. http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html Outdoor, UV resistant, etc. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
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We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years. http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html Outdoor, UV resistant, etc. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
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http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=1cad=rjauact=8ved=0CC0QFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.commscope.com%2FDocs%2FHELIAX_FFDirect_Brochure_BR-107083.pdfei=uhQoVLffMIWayQSu5YCoBAusg=AFQjCNFvqSzEDLibQ4WCTebhIbt3KgEQYQsig2=gR3vElbGdefgDpcYEtvB2Qbvm=bv.76247554,d.aWw I'm getting pricing on this - if it's anything remotely reasonable I'm really thinking about using this for tower sites. With 3 fiber feeds and 3 power feeds I can use one power/fiber pair to each of the SAF Integra's, and use the other one to go to a enclosure with power and a switch to connect to the APs'. I'm trying to find out if I can get a small switch and a PacketFlux Syncinjector stuffed into a 3M Tower Dome Closure: http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=6UgxGCuNyXTtoxMVlxMVEVtQEcuZgVs6EVs6E66--fn=Tower_Dome_Terminal_TDT_T_25_6RS The combination seems like it would solve a lot of problems. It gives us one cable up the tower and the cable fits properly into standard tower hangers. The dome closure can be built on the ground with appropriate length cables to each AP so that the whole thing can be assembled on the ground and then hoisted into place so that the tower monkeys only have to plug things in. The other nice part is if you are using contract tower crews the whole thing looks just like installing a standard Remote Radio Unit (RRU) radio head, so they should both not need a lot of retraining. If we could get our radio manufacturers to start making equipment with SFP's this would be even easier.That's a hint there Cambium. Mark On 9/28/14, 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote: We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years. http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html Outdoor, UV resistant, etc. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!! -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
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The built-in GPS in the 450 works reasonably well. Now that they have the option of internal GPS and freerun it's reasonably safe to let them run that way. We still have most of our units powered by CTM's but have increasingly gone to turning off sync-over-power. There is some risk of the unit losing GPS and going into freerun and then drifting off timing but I have not seen an issue with it to date. Other tower top GPS solutions are available if you don't want to risk the internal GPS unit - Cambium uGPS, Packetflux, Last Mile Gear. Mark On 9/28/14, 10:27 AM, Josh Baird via Af wrote: If the radios did have SFPs, wouldn't you still need to provide sync (which would mean additional cables)? On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=1cad=rjauact=8ved=0CC0QFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.commscope.com%2FDocs%2FHELIAX_FFDirect_Brochure_BR-107083.pdfei=uhQoVLffMIWayQSu5YCoBAusg=AFQjCNFvqSzEDLibQ4WCTebhIbt3KgEQYQsig2=gR3vElbGdefgDpcYEtvB2Qbvm=bv.76247554,d.aWw I'm getting pricing on this - if it's anything remotely reasonable I'm really thinking about using this for tower sites. With 3 fiber feeds and 3 power feeds I can use one power/fiber pair to each of the SAF Integra's, and use the other one to go to a enclosure with power and a switch to connect to the APs'. I'm trying to find out if I can get a small switch and a PacketFlux Syncinjector stuffed into a 3M Tower Dome Closure: http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=6UgxGCuNyXTtoxMVlxMVEVtQEcuZgVs6EVs6E66--fn=Tower_Dome_Terminal_TDT_T_25_6RS The combination seems like it would solve a lot of problems. It gives us one cable up the tower and the cable fits properly into standard tower hangers. The dome closure can be built on the ground with appropriate length cables to each AP so that the whole thing can be assembled on the ground and then hoisted into place so that the tower monkeys only have to plug things in. The other nice part is if you are using contract tower crews the whole thing looks just like installing a standard Remote Radio Unit (RRU) radio head, so they should both not need a lot of retraining. If we could get our radio manufacturers to start making equipment with SFP's this would be even easier. That's a hint there Cambium. Mark On 9/28/14, 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote: We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years. http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html Outdoor, UV resistant, etc. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!! -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net mailto:m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021 tel:419.837.5015%20x%201021 -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
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We use this, and solder two legs together. We send 48v DC up to the top and downconvert. I think we've gone about 450' with this configuration (including up the tower and along the cable raceway to the inside of a building) However, that's primarily why we send 48v up and downconvert, because of the voltage loss. Gives very clean 24v power to the equipment. http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Portable-Power-Gauge-Conductor/dp/B0076ZT4C2 It would probably be better for me to take a picture of one of our boxes. We are continually building them as we continue our wireless upgrades. I don't remember if Gerard resub'd to this list after it moved, but he's the engineer behind the box. He can give you parts. Regards, Chuck On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Chuck, Are you doing any 8-10 gauge runs exceeding 500' ? I can't seem to find what I need Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af af@afmug.com wrote: We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years. http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html Outdoor, UV resistant, etc. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
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I have requested pricing on this as well. I think that in the end, it was overly expensive (something like 4x the cost of doing 2 split runs, $4.10/ft or something like that). If we could get that even within 15% of what I'm paying now, I'd be happy. Regards, Chuck On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=1cad=rjauact=8ved=0CC0QFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.commscope.com%2FDocs%2FHELIAX_FFDirect_Brochure_BR-107083.pdfei=uhQoVLffMIWayQSu5YCoBAusg=AFQjCNFvqSzEDLibQ4WCTebhIbt3KgEQYQsig2=gR3vElbGdefgDpcYEtvB2Qbvm=bv.76247554,d.aWw I'm getting pricing on this - if it's anything remotely reasonable I'm really thinking about using this for tower sites. With 3 fiber feeds and 3 power feeds I can use one power/fiber pair to each of the SAF Integra's, and use the other one to go to a enclosure with power and a switch to connect to the APs'. I'm trying to find out if I can get a small switch and a PacketFlux Syncinjector stuffed into a 3M Tower Dome Closure: http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/mediawebserver?mwsId=6UgxGCuNyXTtoxMVlxMVEVtQEcuZgVs6EVs6E66--fn=Tower_Dome_Terminal_TDT_T_25_6RS The combination seems like it would solve a lot of problems. It gives us one cable up the tower and the cable fits properly into standard tower hangers. The dome closure can be built on the ground with appropriate length cables to each AP so that the whole thing can be assembled on the ground and then hoisted into place so that the tower monkeys only have to plug things in. The other nice part is if you are using contract tower crews the whole thing looks just like installing a standard Remote Radio Unit (RRU) radio head, so they should both not need a lot of retraining. If we could get our radio manufacturers to start making equipment with SFP's this would be even easier.That's a hint there Cambium. Mark On 9/28/14, 9:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote: We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years. http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html Outdoor, UV resistant, etc. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!! -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
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Any of these SW work? http://www.planet.com.tw/en/product/product_list.php?id=22154 Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 9/28/14, 11:28 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af af@afmug.com wrote: At $4.10 it's not great, but I would probably go for it. Biggest driver for me would be the single cable up the tower and the ease of securing that cable. I used to do 'box at the top' and moved to individual runs to the base. The cabling is a nuisance with everything at the bottom which is why I am looking at going back to the 'box at the top' method. I have not found a great deal of difference in equipment survival either way. As for switches I'm considering doing 2 of these to serve 4 AP's - http://www.garrettcom.com/csg14.htm Using simplex SFP's I can use one fiber for each convertor. So far I have not found a 4 port GigE + 1 SFP extended temperature DIN rail mount switch. Still looking. Mark On 9/28/14, 11:00 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote: I have requested pricing on this as well. I think that in the end, it was overly expensive (something like 4x the cost of doing 2 split runs, $4.10/ft or something like that). If we could get that even within 15% of what I'm paying now, I'd be happy. Regards, Chuck -- Mark Radabaugh Amplex m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
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+ 1 billion on hybrid cable My first site used RG58 for Power and fiber for the data but when the Hybrid cable came on the scene I fell in love with it LOL Bestronics does a turn-key cable with custom length pigtail on each end and what ever type terminations. On 9/28/2014 8:50 AM, Chuck Hogg via Af wrote: We do power and fiber up the tower as our standard...ever since that standard has been used, I don't think we've lost a site yet. Regards, Chuck On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Matt via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years. http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html Outdoor, UV resistant, etc. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!! --
[AFMUG] Power up the tower?
Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
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Maybe just some LMR400? Would give you shielding, and probably handle up to 150-200 watts. bp On 9/27/2014 11:16 AM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
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This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years. http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html Outdoor, UV resistant, etc. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
