Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Patrick Leary]

Understood. Yes, it's lineage of the PHY is WLAN. Our lineage is WMAN. Which is 
more aligned with what you do is my question Shayne.
Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image001.png@01D05730.A60BC3E0]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Shayne Lebrun
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 10:23 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

Note that Cambium radios are, with two excpetions off the top of my head, SDR.  
In theory, Cambium could reprogram a 450 SM to talk 802.11 if they wanted.

ePMP are not SDR.  They have an 802.11 chip, and they will never not speak a 
dialect of 802.11.

When they were originally talking about their WiMAX offerings, there was talk 
that it would eventually have a non-WiMAX firmware load.  I.E. would be SDR.  
Then they rebranded some Gemtek radios, and told people to stop asking about a 
'Canopy' protocol firmware load.  In other  words, not SDR.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

That's the understanding of the term that I share. Thank you Jon.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Mar 4, 2015 2:15 PM, Jon Auer mailto:j...@tapodi.net>> 
wrote:
Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like 
Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they 
could make AirMax.

I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making 
sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is 
a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only.
E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe 
you replace the transciever/amps first though).

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Why is it not software defined?  Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? 
Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was 
one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.  Not sure what Mercury would say 
now.  But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now?  I 
don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.

I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not 
the part that went to Redline.

If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different 
software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.


-Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

PW is not SDR based

So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.







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Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Shayne Lebrun]

Note that Cambium radios are, with two excpetions off the top of my head,
SDR.  In theory, Cambium could reprogram a 450 SM to talk 802.11 if they
wanted.

 

ePMP are not SDR.  They have an 802.11 chip, and they will never not speak a
dialect of 802.11.

 

When they were originally talking about their WiMAX offerings, there was
talk that it would eventually have a non-WiMAX firmware load.  I.E. would be
SDR.  Then they rebranded some Gemtek radios, and told people to stop asking
about a 'Canopy' protocol firmware load.  In other  words, not SDR.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 2:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

 

That's the understanding of the term that I share. Thank you Jon.

 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

On Mar 4, 2015 2:15 PM, Jon Auer  wrote:

Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like
Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so
they could make AirMax. 

 

I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making
sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP
is a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only. 

E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio
(maybe you replace the transciever/amps first though).

 

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Why is it not software defined?  Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software?
Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that
was one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.  Not sure what Mercury
would say now.  But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE)
version now?  I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.

I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not
the part that went to Redline.

If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different
software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.


-Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) 





PW is not SDR based


So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.





 






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Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Gino Villarini]

Every tech requires new HW…lifespan its about 5-7 years.  xLTE its not a hw 
change but a add on



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Jon Paul Kelley 
mailto:jpkel...@ckswireless.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 4:42 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

I will beg to differ. The cellcos are constantly changing radios. My dealing 
are with AT&T and VZW. The old analog bays were swapped for CDMA(Verizon) and 
TDMA(AT&T) style radios. Completely different radio sets. Then LTE launched. 
Verizon installed brand new Lucent LTE base stations. Now with xLTE, the radios 
are changing again. Even within Verizon, they switched manufacturers for the 
CDMA and PCS gear from Lucent to Nortel. Then back to Lucent for LTE. They are 
constantly swapping radio systems.

I have been involved in network upgrades and radio installations for Verizon 
and AT&T for years. Not so much anymore. Hard to find good help and I don’t 
feel like running the roads to install that stuff anymore.

Jon Paul Kelley
CKS Wireless

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

I think it’s done all the time with the stuff the cellcos are deploying.  
Probably limited only by antennas.  No way are they changing out basestations 
for every protocol or spectrum change like they did in the past.

There are even systems where the software defined radio is remote in a 
centralized datacenter, I think it’s called C-RAN.


From:Adam Moffett<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:39 PM
To:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

Almost everybody who has an SDR sells you on the notion that it can be upgraded 
later.ï¿1Ž2 Almost nobody ever actually does anything more than bug fixes, or 
minor tweaks.

I think the only way Telrad might be odd with their SDR is that they actually 
made different firmware to convert the unit from WiMax to a completely 
different physical layer.

The only other big SDR change I can think of in the WISP marketplace was Moto's 
transition from software scheduling to hardware scheduling.ï¿1Ž2 Maybe some of 
you old men remember another incident to refute this statement, but I think I'd 
say that having the ability to define the radio in software doesn't mean 
they'll actually do it.



SimpleTest Stefan: can they upgrade their WiMAX base stations to LTE? The 
answer is No. Case closed.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Mar 4, 2015 1:30 PM, Stefan Englhardt mailto:s...@genias.net wrote:

>PW is not SDR based

So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) (Patrick Leary)

[Patrick Leary]

Depends how far they take it; how deep the design and build goes. I subscribe 
to Jon's position, which means the ability to completely shift protocols. I 
think our BTS has something like 8 cores in it. I'm just told there is lots of 
latent capacity we are reserving for major capabilities as LTE advances.

Patrick Leary
 M 727.501.3735 






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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 4:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) (Patrick Leary)

They did not promise an LTE-Upgrade. I dont know if their SDR would be flexible 
enough to do this.
I guess SDR gives some kind of upgradability but there are limits. 


>SimpleTest Stefan: can they upgrade their WiMAX base stations to LTE? The 
>answer is No. Case closed.
>
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Mar 4, 2015 1:30 PM, Stefan 
>Englhardt  wrote:
>
>>PW is not SDR based
>
>So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
>Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.







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Can you remove that connector?  If yes. Replace it with liquid tight system and 
use small piece of their  flex tubing.  Add connector at the end and tighten 
up...might need some vinyl butly to protect fiber and seal...

Jaime Solorza
On Mar 4, 2015 11:36 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

>  So a lot of our equipment has cable glands with a metric thread on them.
> Like M25x1.5.  I have a scenario where I might want to extend that.  
> Well here, I'll just show you:
>
>
>
> There's an SFP slot in there and an LC patch cord.  The rubber grommet 
> in the cable gland can't fit around the LC connector, nor would I want 
> to compress that when I tighten the nut.  Furthermore I've got the 
> fiber manufacturer telling me that there will be a 10" long furcation 
> tube coming out of the outdoor cable, and that has to be protected from the 
> elements.
> Plan A is ask the manufacturer what they're plan was (I assume they 
> had something in mind when they put the SFP there).  Plan B is buy a 
> foot long nipple and a couplerbut it's M25 and I can't seem to 
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[Stefan Englhardt]

They did not promise an LTE-Upgrade. I dont know if their SDR would be flexible 
enough to do this.
I guess SDR gives some kind of upgradability but there are limits.


>SimpleTest Stefan: can they upgrade their WiMAX base stations to LTE? The 
>answer is No. Case closed.
>
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Mar 4, 2015 1:30 PM, Stefan 
>Englhardt  wrote:
>
>>PW is not SDR based
>
>So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
>Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.







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Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Can you remove that connector?  If yes. Replace it with liquid tight system and 
use small piece of their  flex tubing.  Add connector at the end and tighten 
up...might need some vinyl butly to protect fiber and seal...

Jaime Solorza
On Mar 4, 2015 11:36 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

>  So a lot of our equipment has cable glands with a metric thread on them.
> Like M25x1.5.  I have a scenario where I might want to extend that.
> Well here, I'll just show you:
>
>
>
> There's an SFP slot in there and an LC patch cord.  The rubber grommet
> in the cable gland can't fit around the LC connector, nor would I want
> to compress that when I tighten the nut.  Furthermore I've got the
> fiber manufacturer telling me that there will be a 10" long furcation
> tube coming out of the outdoor cable, and that has to be protected from the 
> elements.
> Plan A is ask the manufacturer what they're plan was (I assume they
> had something in mind when they put the SFP there).  Plan B is buy a
> foot long nipple and a couplerbut it's M25 and I can't seem to
> find metric pipe and fittings from a US vendor.  Plan C is whatever
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Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Jon Paul Kelley]

I will beg to differ. The cellcos are constantly changing radios. My dealing
are with AT&T and VZW. The old analog bays were swapped for CDMA(Verizon)
and TDMA(AT&T) style radios. Completely different radio sets. Then LTE
launched. Verizon installed brand new Lucent LTE base stations. Now with
xLTE, the radios are changing again. Even within Verizon, they switched
manufacturers for the CDMA and PCS gear from Lucent to Nortel. Then back to
Lucent for LTE. They are constantly swapping radio systems.

 

I have been involved in network upgrades and radio installations for Verizon
and AT&T for years. Not so much anymore. Hard to find good help and I don’t
feel like running the roads to install that stuff anymore.

 

Jon Paul Kelley

CKS Wireless

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

 

I think it’s done all the time with the stuff the cellcos are deploying.
Probably limited only by antennas.  No way are they changing out
basestations for every protocol or spectrum change like they did in the
past.

 

There are even systems where the software defined radio is remote in a
centralized datacenter, I think it’s called C-RAN.

 

 

From: Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:39 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

 

Almost everybody who has an SDR sells you on the notion that it can be
upgraded later.� Almost nobody ever actually does anything more than bug
fixes, or minor tweaks.

I think the only way Telrad might be odd with their SDR is that they
actually made different firmware to convert the unit from WiMax to a
completely different physical layer.

The only other big SDR change I can think of in the WISP marketplace was
Moto's transition from software scheduling to hardware scheduling.� Maybe
some of you old men remember another incident to refute this statement, but
I think I'd say that having the ability to define the radio in software
doesn't mean they'll actually do it.





SimpleTest Stefan: can they upgrade their WiMAX base stations to LTE? The
answer is No. Case closed.

 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

On Mar 4, 2015 1:30 PM, Stefan Englhardt mailto:s...@genias.net wrote:


>PW is not SDR based

So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.



 

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Patrick Leary]

NEVER!! Like keeping old love letter. Hell, I'm a romantic, what can I say.

Plus, for years I saw it as a fall back position. Way too late now, the young 
whipper snappers doing fiber now have everything automated for them. If I 
plopped an old DC splicer in their laps (the size of an old typewriter 
(ironically), they'd look at it with the same blank stare as a young tech being 
handed a 66-block punch tool.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image001.png@01D0568C.866B8D30]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 3:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

I have a few of those devices in a tool bag. The wife wants me to get rid of 
them but I just can't.

ryan
On 3/4/15 11:57 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
Some things I keep for sentimental reasons. I still have the remnants of my old 
fiber kit. Pucks, lapping film, old mechanical splices, snips, cleavers, hand 
scope.
�
Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image002.png@01D0568C.866B8D30]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>



�
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
�
What the heck. Splurge. Get yourself a new hat.




bp



�
On 3/4/2015 11:32 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
I think I need to get my old hard hat out of the garage
�
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Mar 4, 2015 2:27 PM, Josh Luthman 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
You are the subject, sir.� Just not of this thread.

�
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
�
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
Damn, how did my name get in the subject?
�
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Mar 4, 2015 2:17 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Ubiquiti claimed carrier grade, too.

�
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
�
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Jon Auer 
mailto:j...@tapodi.net>> wrote:
Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like 
Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they 
could make AirMax.
�
I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making 
sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is 
a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only.�
E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe 
you replace the transciever/amps first though).
�
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Why is it not software defined?� Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? 
Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was 
one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.� Not sure what Mercury would say 
now.� But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version 
now?� I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.

I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not 
the part that went to Redline.

If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different 
software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.


-Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)



PW is not SDR based

So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.




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Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[D. Ryan Spott]

I have a few of those devices in a tool bag. The wife wants me to get 
rid of them but I just can't.


ryan

On 3/4/15 11:57 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:


Some things I keep for sentimental reasons. I still have the remnants 
of my old fiber kit. Pucks, lapping film, old mechanical splices, 
snips, cleavers, hand scope.


*Patrick Leary*

***M*727.501.3735

<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:43 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

What the heck. Splurge. Get yourself a new hat.


bp

  


On 3/4/2015 11:32 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:

I think I need to get my old hard hat out of the garage

/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/

On Mar 4, 2015 2:27 PM, Josh Luthman 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

You are the subject, sir.� Just not of this thread.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Patrick Leary
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:

Damn, how did my name get in the subject?

/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/

On Mar 4, 2015 2:17 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Ubiquiti claimed carrier grade, too.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Jon Auer mailto:j...@tapodi.net>> wrote:

Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary
extensions seems like Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they
licensed Atheros driver code so they could make AirMax.

I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to
do with making sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA
counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR
USB sticks on the RX only.�

E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a
FM radio (maybe you replace the transciever/amps first though).

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Why is it not software defined?� Because DAN owned the core
WIMAX software? Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights
to make their own mods, that was one of their claimed
advantages over PMP320.� Not sure what Mercury would say
now.� But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not
LTE) version now?� I don't see how they do that if it's not
a SDR.

I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went
to Mercury, not the part that went to Redline.

If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just
a different software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.


-Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
        To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)



PW is not SDR based


So call their Distributors and tell them to change their
announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.








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Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Patrick Leary]

Some things I keep for sentimental reasons. I still have the remnants of my old 
fiber kit. Pucks, lapping film, old mechanical splices, snips, cleavers, hand 
scope.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

What the heck. Splurge. Get yourself a new hat.



bp




On 3/4/2015 11:32 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:
I think I need to get my old hard hat out of the garage

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Mar 4, 2015 2:27 PM, Josh Luthman 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
You are the subject, sir.� Just not of this thread.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
Damn, how did my name get in the subject?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Mar 4, 2015 2:17 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Ubiquiti claimed carrier grade, too.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Jon Auer 
mailto:j...@tapodi.net>> wrote:
Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like 
Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they 
could make AirMax.

I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making 
sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is 
a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only.�
E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe 
you replace the transciever/amps first though).

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Why is it not software defined?� Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? 
Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was 
one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.� Not sure what Mercury would say 
now.� But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version 
now?� I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.

I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not 
the part that went to Redline.

If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different 
software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.


-Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)


PW is not SDR based

So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.









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Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Patrick Leary]

Correct. That was an important achievement that deserves recognition.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

Cambium did a firmware update to add 256QAM. That is nothing to sneeze at.



bp




On 3/4/2015 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Almost everybody who has an SDR sells you on the notion that it can be upgraded 
later. Almost nobody ever actually does anything more than bug fixes, or minor 
tweaks.

I think the only way Telrad might be odd with their SDR is that they actually 
made different firmware to convert the unit from WiMax to a completely 
different physical layer.

The only other big SDR change I can think of in the WISP marketplace was Moto's 
transition from software scheduling to hardware scheduling. Maybe some of you 
old men remember another incident to refute this statement, but I think I'd say 
that having the ability to define the radio in software doesn't mean they'll 
actually do it.



SimpleTest Stefan: can they upgrade their WiMAX base stations to LTE? The 
answer is No. Case closed.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Mar 4, 2015 1:30 PM, Stefan Englhardt 
<mailto:s...@genias.net> wrote:

>PW is not SDR based

So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.








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Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Patrick Leary]

Now this is an excellent question, and the truth is with the first release of 
LTE, the similarities are greater than their differences, but that is where it 
ends. There is no more R&D on the WiMAX standard. Period. It is done. Gray and 
Mo's jobs at the WiMAX Forum is to eliminate their jobs. LTE on the other end 
is at the front end of its life cycle and just last week Nathan Stooke shared 
that he discovered $15B is being spent in LTE R&D PER YEAR at this point.

Second, WiMAX was mostly a dream for mass and an ecosystem that never happened. 
I could speak for hours on the issues why it failed and mostly none of them 
were technical. LTE, by contrast has already won. There is no more UMTS, no 
more CMDA, no more GSM, at least not as we knew them. All have collapsed into 
LTE. Now we even hear the (loud) rumblings of LTE rolling into 5 GHz for mobile 
offload, and my rantings about it as a fixed solution.

On basic tech things, WiMAX caps at 10 MHz channels and limits per user rates. 
LTE offers 20 MHz channels and uncaps user rates. Moving forward, LTE pulls 
away very fast in bits/tone efficiency and adds features never even appearing 
on the roadmap of WiMAX (like CoMP...wait until you learn about that 
tomorrow...imagine your own noise turning in to something that gets multiplexed 
to IMPROVE your network!).

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image003.png@01D0568A.C86A9C50]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 2:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

What are the significant differences between LTE and WiMax?  They're both OFDM, 
they're both MIMO.  I guess that LTE is 4x4 (I don't know)?  Just wondering 
what the technical challenges might look like.



bp




On 3/4/2015 11:36 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
My understanding was that it was an FPGA and software based platform.  And that 
PW bought the design from Design Arts Networks so they could modify it, as 
opposed to just licensing the design.  Not just adding extensions to drivers 
for an ASIC.

I think the point Patrick is trying to make is Telrad designed their hardware 
from the outset to handle both WIMAX and LTE, with WIMAX coming out first, but 
same HW being upgradable via SW to LTE.  And that now they have actually done 
it, which is significant, because many engineering teams in history have said 
“it’s a SMOP (small matter of programming)” and then had to admit defeat and 
change the hardware.


From: Jon Auer<mailto:j...@tapodi.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:15 PM
To: Animal Farm<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like 
Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they 
could make AirMax.

I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making 
sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is 
a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only.
E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe 
you replace the transciever/amps first though).

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Why is it not software defined?  Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? 
Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was 
one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.  Not sure what Mercury would say 
now.  But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now?  I 
don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.

I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not 
the part that went to Redline.

If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different 
software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.


-Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)


PW is not SDR based

So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.










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Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Ken Hohhof]

I think it’s done all the time with the stuff the cellcos are deploying.  
Probably limited only by antennas.  No way are they changing out basestations 
for every protocol or spectrum change like they did in the past.

There are even systems where the software defined radio is remote in a 
centralized datacenter, I think it’s called C-RAN.


From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

Almost everybody who has an SDR sells you on the notion that it can be upgraded 
later.� Almost nobody ever actually does anything more than bug fixes, or 
minor tweaks.

I think the only way Telrad might be odd with their SDR is that they actually 
made different firmware to convert the unit from WiMax to a completely 
different physical layer.

The only other big SDR change I can think of in the WISP marketplace was Moto's 
transition from software scheduling to hardware scheduling.� Maybe some of 
you old men remember another incident to refute this statement, but I think I'd 
say that having the ability to define the radio in software doesn't mean 
they'll actually do it.





  SimpleTest Stefan: can they upgrade their WiMAX base stations to LTE? The 
answer is No. Case closed.

  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
  On Mar 4, 2015 1:30 PM, Stefan Englhardt mailto:s...@genias.net wrote:


  >PW is not SDR based

  So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
  Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Chuck McCown]

If LTE needs more linearity in the power amp stage than WiMax then indeed it 
could require a change in some radios.  

From: Patrick Leary 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

Alvarion had that as a dream, but was never able to realize it. It was only 
achieved under the Telrad banner, but yes I do remember some months back more a 
competing vendor telling people it was impossible to convert from WiMAX to LTE 
without a hardware change.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Mar 4, 2015 2:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

My understanding was that it was an FPGA and software based platform.  And that 
PW bought the design from Design Arts Networks so they could modify it, as 
opposed to just licensing the design.  Not just adding extensions to drivers 
for an ASIC.

I think the point Patrick is trying to make is Telrad designed their hardware 
from the outset to handle both WIMAX and LTE, with WIMAX coming out first, but 
same HW being upgradable via SW to LTE.  And that now they have actually done 
it, which is significant, because many engineering teams in history have said 
“it’s a SMOP (small matter of programming)” and then had to admit defeat and 
change the hardware.


From: Jon Auer 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:15 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like 
Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they 
could make AirMax. 

I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making 
sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is 
a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only. 
E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe 
you replace the transciever/amps first though).

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Why is it not software defined?  Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? 
Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was 
one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.  Not sure what Mercury would say 
now.  But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now?  I 
don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.

  I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not 
the part that went to Redline.

  If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different 
software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.


  -Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
  Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) 




PW is not SDR based


  So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
  Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.











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Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Bill Prince]

What are the significant differences between LTE and WiMax?  They're 
both OFDM, they're both MIMO.  I guess that LTE is 4x4 (I don't know)?  
Just wondering what the technical challenges might look like.


bp


On 3/4/2015 11:36 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
My understanding was that it was an FPGA and software based platform.  
And that PW bought the design from Design Arts Networks so they could 
modify it, as opposed to just licensing the design.  Not just adding 
extensions to drivers for an ASIC.
I think the point Patrick is trying to make is Telrad designed their 
hardware from the outset to handle both WIMAX and LTE, with WIMAX 
coming out first, but same HW being upgradable via SW to LTE.  And 
that now they have actually done it, which is significant, because 
many engineering teams in history have said “it’s a SMOP (small matter 
of programming)” and then had to admit defeat and change the hardware.

*From:* Jon Auer <mailto:j...@tapodi.net>
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:15 PM
*To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions 
seems like Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros 
driver code so they could make AirMax.
I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with 
making sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus 
Research's USRP is a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only.
E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio 
(maybe you replace the transciever/amps first though).
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:


Why is it not software defined? Because DAN owned the core WIMAX
software? Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make
their own mods, that was one of their claimed advantages over
PMP320.  Not sure what Mercury would say now.  But don't they have
a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now?  I don't see how
they do that if it's not a SDR.

I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to
Mercury, not the part that went to Redline.

If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a
different software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.


-Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)



PW is not SDR based


So call their Distributors and tell them to change their
announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Bill Prince]

Cambium did a firmware update to add 256QAM. That is nothing to sneeze at.

bp


On 3/4/2015 11:39 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Almost everybody who has an SDR sells you on the notion that it can be 
upgraded later. Almost nobody ever actually does anything more than 
bug fixes, or minor tweaks.


I think the only way Telrad might be odd with their SDR is that they 
actually made different firmware to convert the unit from WiMax to a 
completely different physical layer.


The only other big SDR change I can think of in the WISP marketplace 
was Moto's transition from software scheduling to hardware scheduling. 
Maybe some of you old men remember another incident to refute this 
statement, but I think I'd say that having the ability to define the 
radio in software doesn't mean they'll actually do it.





SimpleTest Stefan: can they upgrade their WiMAX base stations to LTE? 
The answer is No. Case closed.


/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/
On Mar 4, 2015 1:30 PM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

>PW is not SDR based

So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Chuck McCown]

Years ago I dug into the LTE protocol to see what it really was.  My 
recollection is it is a collection of a bunch of different modulation formats 
that can be used as appropriate.  I think it was expandable and built for 
future flavors of modulation.  Seems like one of the formats was very much like 
WiMax.  Again at least 5-7 years since I read that document.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

What are the significant differences between LTE and WiMax?  They're both OFDM, 
they're both MIMO.  I guess that LTE is 4x4 (I don't know)?  Just wondering 
what the technical challenges might look like.


bp


On 3/4/2015 11:36 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  My understanding was that it was an FPGA and software based platform.  And 
that PW bought the design from Design Arts Networks so they could modify it, as 
opposed to just licensing the design.  Not just adding extensions to drivers 
for an ASIC.

  I think the point Patrick is trying to make is Telrad designed their hardware 
from the outset to handle both WIMAX and LTE, with WIMAX coming out first, but 
same HW being upgradable via SW to LTE.  And that now they have actually done 
it, which is significant, because many engineering teams in history have said 
“it’s a SMOP (small matter of programming)” and then had to admit defeat and 
change the hardware.


  From: Jon Auer 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:15 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

  Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like 
Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they 
could make AirMax. 

  I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making 
sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is 
a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only. 
  E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe 
you replace the transciever/amps first though).

  On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Why is it not software defined?  Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? 
Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was 
one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.  Not sure what Mercury would say 
now.  But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now?  I 
don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.

I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, 
not the part that went to Redline.

If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different 
software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.


-Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
    To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) 




  PW is not SDR based


So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Patrick Leary]

Alvarion had that as a dream, but was never able to realize it. It was only 
achieved under the Telrad banner, but yes I do remember some months back more a 
competing vendor telling people it was impossible to convert from WiMAX to LTE 
without a hardware change.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Mar 4, 2015 2:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
My understanding was that it was an FPGA and software based platform.  And that 
PW bought the design from Design Arts Networks so they could modify it, as 
opposed to just licensing the design.  Not just adding extensions to drivers 
for an ASIC.

I think the point Patrick is trying to make is Telrad designed their hardware 
from the outset to handle both WIMAX and LTE, with WIMAX coming out first, but 
same HW being upgradable via SW to LTE.  And that now they have actually done 
it, which is significant, because many engineering teams in history have said 
“it’s a SMOP (small matter of programming)” and then had to admit defeat and 
change the hardware.


From: Jon Auer<mailto:j...@tapodi.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:15 PM
To: Animal Farm<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like 
Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they 
could make AirMax.

I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making 
sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is 
a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only.
E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe 
you replace the transciever/amps first though).

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Why is it not software defined?  Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? 
Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was 
one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.  Not sure what Mercury would say 
now.  But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now?  I 
don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.

I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not 
the part that went to Redline.

If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different 
software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.


-Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)



PW is not SDR based

So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.










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Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Patrick Leary]

No chin strap, so yes definitely useless for climbing.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Mar 4, 2015 2:35 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
Not OSHA approved.  I have a few spare ones you can borrow for a Compact.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
I think I need to get my old hard hat out of the garage

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Mar 4, 2015 2:27 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
You are the subject, sir.  Just not of this thread.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
Damn, how did my name get in the subject?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Mar 4, 2015 2:17 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Ubiquiti claimed carrier grade, too.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Jon Auer 
mailto:j...@tapodi.net>> wrote:
Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like 
Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they 
could make AirMax.

I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making 
sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is 
a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only.
E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe 
you replace the transciever/amps first though).

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Why is it not software defined?  Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? 
Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was 
one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.  Not sure what Mercury would say 
now.  But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now?  I 
don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.

I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not 
the part that went to Redline.

If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different 
software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.


-Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)



PW is not SDR based

So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.










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Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Bill Prince]

What the heck. Splurge. Get yourself a new hat.

bp


On 3/4/2015 11:32 AM, Patrick Leary wrote:

I think I need to get my old hard hat out of the garage

/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/
On Mar 4, 2015 2:27 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
You are the subject, sir.  Just not of this thread.


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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:


Damn, how did my name get in the subject?

/Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/
On Mar 4, 2015 2:17 PM, Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Ubiquiti claimed carrier grade, too.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
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Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Jon Auer mailto:j...@tapodi.net>> wrote:

Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary
extensions seems like Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they
licensed Atheros driver code so they could make AirMax.

I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to
do with making sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA
counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR
USB sticks on the RX only.
E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a
FM radio (maybe you replace the transciever/amps first though).

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Why is it not software defined?  Because DAN owned the
core WIMAX software? Purewave claimed to have purchased
the rights to make their own mods, that was one of their
claimed advantages over PMP320.  Not sure what Mercury
would say now.  But don't they have a proprietary enhanced
(but not LTE) version now?  I don't see how they do that
if it's not a SDR.

I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that
went to Mercury, not the part that went to Redline.

If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with
just a different software load, no, they never claimed
that AFAIK.


-Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)



PW is not SDR based


So call their Distributors and tell them to change their
announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.











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Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Adam Moffett]

Almost everybody who has an SDR sells you on the notion that it can be 
upgraded later.  Almost nobody ever actually does anything more than bug 
fixes, or minor tweaks.


I think the only way Telrad might be odd with their SDR is that they 
actually made different firmware to convert the unit from WiMax to a 
completely different physical layer.


The only other big SDR change I can think of in the WISP marketplace was 
Moto's transition from software scheduling to hardware scheduling.  
Maybe some of you old men remember another incident to refute this 
statement, but I think I'd say that having the ability to define the 
radio in software doesn't mean they'll actually do it.





SimpleTest Stefan: can they upgrade their WiMAX base stations to LTE? 
The answer is No. Case closed.


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On Mar 4, 2015 1:30 PM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

>PW is not SDR based

So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Ken Hohhof]

My understanding was that it was an FPGA and software based platform.  And that 
PW bought the design from Design Arts Networks so they could modify it, as 
opposed to just licensing the design.  Not just adding extensions to drivers 
for an ASIC.

I think the point Patrick is trying to make is Telrad designed their hardware 
from the outset to handle both WIMAX and LTE, with WIMAX coming out first, but 
same HW being upgradable via SW to LTE.  And that now they have actually done 
it, which is significant, because many engineering teams in history have said 
“it’s a SMOP (small matter of programming)” and then had to admit defeat and 
change the hardware.


From: Jon Auer 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 1:15 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like 
Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they 
could make AirMax. 

I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making 
sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is 
a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only. 
E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe 
you replace the transciever/amps first though).

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Why is it not software defined?  Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? 
Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was 
one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.  Not sure what Mercury would say 
now.  But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now?  I 
don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.

  I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not 
the part that went to Redline.

  If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different 
software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.


  -Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
  Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary) 




PW is not SDR based


  So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
  Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Josh Luthman]

Not OSHA approved.  I have a few spare ones you can borrow for a Compact.


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Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Patrick Leary 
wrote:

>  I think I need to get my old hard hat out of the garage
>
>  *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
>  On Mar 4, 2015 2:27 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>  You are the subject, sir.  Just not of this thread.
>
>
>  Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
>
>>  Damn, how did my name get in the subject?
>>
>>  *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
>>  On Mar 4, 2015 2:17 PM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>   Ubiquiti claimed carrier grade, too.
>>
>>
>>  Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>  On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Jon Auer  wrote:
>>
>>> Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems
>>> like Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code
>>> so they could make AirMax.
>>>
>>>  I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with
>>> making sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus
>>> Research's USRP is a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only.
>>> E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio
>>> (maybe you replace the transciever/amps first though).
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why is it not software defined?  Because DAN owned the core WIMAX
>>>> software? Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own
>>>> mods, that was one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.  Not sure what
>>>> Mercury would say now.  But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not
>>>> LTE) version now?  I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.
>>>>
>>>> I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to
>>>> Mercury, not the part that went to Redline.
>>>>
>>>> If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a
>>>> different software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  PW is not SDR based
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
>>>> Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Patrick Leary]

I think I need to get my old hard hat out of the garage

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Mar 4, 2015 2:27 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
You are the subject, sir.  Just not of this thread.


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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
Damn, how did my name get in the subject?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Mar 4, 2015 2:17 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Ubiquiti claimed carrier grade, too.


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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Jon Auer 
mailto:j...@tapodi.net>> wrote:
Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like 
Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they 
could make AirMax.

I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making 
sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is 
a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only.
E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe 
you replace the transciever/amps first though).

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Why is it not software defined?  Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? 
Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was 
one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.  Not sure what Mercury would say 
now.  But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now?  I 
don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.

I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not 
the part that went to Redline.

If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different 
software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.


-Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)



PW is not SDR based

So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.










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Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Patrick Leary]

Damn, how did my name get in the subject?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Mar 4, 2015 2:17 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
Ubiquiti claimed carrier grade, too.


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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Jon Auer 
mailto:j...@tapodi.net>> wrote:
Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like 
Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they 
could make AirMax.

I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making 
sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is 
a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only.
E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe 
you replace the transciever/amps first though).

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Why is it not software defined?  Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? 
Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was 
one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.  Not sure what Mercury would say 
now.  But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now?  I 
don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.

I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not 
the part that went to Redline.

If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different 
software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.


-Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)



PW is not SDR based

So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.










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Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Josh Luthman]

You are the subject, sir.  Just not of this thread.


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On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Patrick Leary 
wrote:

>  Damn, how did my name get in the subject?
>
>  *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
>  On Mar 4, 2015 2:17 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
>  Ubiquiti claimed carrier grade, too.
>
>
>  Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Jon Auer  wrote:
>
>> Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems
>> like Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code
>> so they could make AirMax.
>>
>>  I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with
>> making sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus
>> Research's USRP is a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only.
>> E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio
>> (maybe you replace the transciever/amps first though).
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Why is it not software defined?  Because DAN owned the core WIMAX
>>> software? Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own
>>> mods, that was one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.  Not sure what
>>> Mercury would say now.  But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not
>>> LTE) version now?  I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.
>>>
>>> I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury,
>>> not the part that went to Redline.
>>>
>>> If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a
>>> different software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  PW is not SDR based
>>>>
>>>
>>> So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
>>> Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Patrick Leary]

That's the understanding of the term that I share. Thank you Jon.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Mar 4, 2015 2:15 PM, Jon Auer  wrote:
Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems like 
Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code so they 
could make AirMax.

I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with making 
sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus Research's USRP is 
a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only.
E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio (maybe 
you replace the transciever/amps first though).

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Why is it not software defined?  Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? 
Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that was 
one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.  Not sure what Mercury would say 
now.  But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) version now?  I 
don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.

I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not 
the part that went to Redline.

If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different 
software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.


-Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)



PW is not SDR based

So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.









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Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Josh Luthman]

Ubiquiti claimed carrier grade, too.


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Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Jon Auer  wrote:

> Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems
> like Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code
> so they could make AirMax.
>
> I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with
> making sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus
> Research's USRP is a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only.
> E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio
> (maybe you replace the transciever/amps first though).
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Why is it not software defined?  Because DAN owned the core WIMAX
>> software? Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own
>> mods, that was one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.  Not sure what
>> Mercury would say now.  But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not
>> LTE) version now?  I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.
>>
>> I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury,
>> not the part that went to Redline.
>>
>> If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a
>> different software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
>>
>>
>>
>>  PW is not SDR based
>>>
>>
>> So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
>> Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Jon Auer]

Purewave claiming SDR because they can add proprietary extensions seems
like Ubiquiti claiming to be SDR because they licensed Atheros driver code
so they could make AirMax.

I always thought SDR meant the signal processing, anything to do with
making sense of the RF, happened in software (FPGA counts!). Ettus
Research's USRP is a example on TX/RX. RTL-SDR USB sticks on the RX only.
E.g. If, in theory, the manufacturer can reprogram it to be a FM radio
(maybe you replace the transciever/amps first though).

On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Why is it not software defined?  Because DAN owned the core WIMAX
> software? Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own
> mods, that was one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.  Not sure what
> Mercury would say now.  But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not
> LTE) version now?  I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.
>
> I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury,
> not the part that went to Redline.
>
> If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different
> software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Stefan Englhardt
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)
>
>
>
>  PW is not SDR based
>>
>
> So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
> Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Patrick Leary]

That may be a good point Ken. I am using the SDR term in the sense that Vanu 
Bose used it, who is one of the inventors. He explained this to me and other 
invited panelists on the FCC's Spectrum Policy Task Force in 2002. I'm using it 
in the sense of materially changing a piece of equipment from one protocol to 
another entirely via software independent of the hardware.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Mar 4, 2015 1:43 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
Why is it not software defined?  Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software?
Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that
was one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.  Not sure what Mercury
would say now.  But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE)
version now?  I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.

I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not
the part that went to Redline.

If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different
software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.


-Original Message-
From: Stefan Englhardt
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)


>PW is not SDR based

So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.








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Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Patrick Leary]

SimpleTest Stefan: can they upgrade their WiMAX base stations to LTE? The 
answer is No. Case closed.

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On Mar 4, 2015 1:30 PM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:

>PW is not SDR based

So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.







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Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Ken Hohhof]

Why is it not software defined?  Because DAN owned the core WIMAX software? 
Purewave claimed to have purchased the rights to make their own mods, that 
was one of their claimed advantages over PMP320.  Not sure what Mercury 
would say now.  But don't they have a proprietary enhanced (but not LTE) 
version now?  I don't see how they do that if it's not a SDR.


I assume we are talking about the part of Purewave that went to Mercury, not 
the part that went to Redline.


If you mean was it designed to do both WIMAX and LTE with just a different 
software load, no, they never claimed that AFAIK.



-Original Message- 
From: Stefan Englhardt

Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)



PW is not SDR based


So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.

Re: [AFMUG] New feedback (Patrick Leary)

[Stefan Englhardt]

>PW is not SDR based

So call their Distributors and tell them to change their announcements.
Just google Purwave and SDR and you find some.