Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
Don’t forget a more rigid tray. We are using 12 bricks in the tray. It makes it heavy enough that we can lean a ladder against it, even at 20’. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 9:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts My main differentiator I think will be a clamping method allowing you to use whatever diameter mast (user supplied) you want. 1-4.5 inches. And the tilt function. Working on ideas to allow modular increases in the footprint. From: Eric Kuhnke<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 7:38 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts My two cents: It will be capital intensive, but build a product line of robust larger sized (3'x4', 5'x5' and larger) non penetrating roof mounts to compete with Baird, Rohn and Commscope (Andrew). There is very little competition in the North American marketplace for carrier-grade NPRMs aside from those three companies. Go after the carrier/cellco market. I'm talking about the NPRMs that are used with tubular antenna shroud radomes (or faux brick chimney radomes) to put LTE sectors on rooftops in urban areas. On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
My main differentiator I think will be a clamping method allowing you to use whatever diameter mast (user supplied) you want. 1-4.5 inches. And the tilt function. Working on ideas to allow modular increases in the footprint. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 7:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts My two cents: It will be capital intensive, but build a product line of robust larger sized (3'x4', 5'x5' and larger) non penetrating roof mounts to compete with Baird, Rohn and Commscope (Andrew). There is very little competition in the North American marketplace for carrier-grade NPRMs aside from those three companies. Go after the carrier/cellco market. I'm talking about the NPRMs that are used with tubular antenna shroud radomes (or faux brick chimney radomes) to put LTE sectors on rooftops in urban areas. On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
My two cents: It will be capital intensive, but build a product line of robust larger sized (3'x4', 5'x5' and larger) non penetrating roof mounts to compete with Baird, Rohn and Commscope (Andrew). There is very little competition in the North American marketplace for carrier-grade NPRMs aside from those three companies. Go after the carrier/cellco market. I'm talking about the NPRMs that are used with tubular antenna shroud radomes (or faux brick chimney radomes) to put LTE sectors on rooftops in urban areas. On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always > resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get > almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks > presume I have one. > > If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that > differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or > hinged for flat or peak mounts. > > Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater > leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. > > I dunno, any ideas? >
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
I've used them a few times, even worked with the updated version when it was still a prototype. Good stuff. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Jeremy" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 10:50:12 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts That Maxxwave has an add-on tray for peaks also. It says "Heavy guage galvanized steel", doesn't appear powder coated. Pretty cool product. http://www.balticnetworks.com/non-penetrating-roof-peak-tray.html On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: My 2c: Leveling the mast might be an interesting feature, but I've never really wished for it. Where I saw a hole in the market was in a hinged mount that could accept variable mast sizes without costing too much. There are cheap ones for $70 that only accept a satellite dish mount. There are $600 ones from Rohn et al that accept different mast diameters. The cheap ones are no good for me, and the other ones are offensively expensive. I was unaware of the Baltic Networks / Maxxwave model before I read this thread, and that looks to come in around $150. I have to put a 2' Trango dish on a hinged mount in the near future, and I'll probably end up getting that Maxxwave model if I can confirm that it will accept a mast > 2" OD. I wish it was HDG instead of powder coated, but beggars can't be choosers. I also question that slider thing for adjusting the angle of the mast, but I can always put more bolts in it if it doesn't seem solid. Honestly, now that I've seen the Maxxwave one, I'm not sure what new thing you can bring to bear. Yeah, that is always a problem. The more assembly you do during fabrication, the more it costs to ship, the larger the packing crate is, the more expensive packing is etc etc. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 2:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts Anything you can do to speed assembly but still take up less space. I never liked how long they took to put together. On Sat, Jan 9, 2016, 12:05 PM Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
All great ideas.
From: Jeremy
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 7:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
(not for a 25g in the last example. That was just a good ballast ring example)
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Jeremy wrote:
Just thinking out loud herehow much extra work would it be to make it
also able to be used on a peak? I mean, if you are making "one non-pen to rule
them all", it would be adjustable for pitch, pipe size, and for peaks.
https://www.talleycom.com/images/MTSRT-PM-B_big.jpg
Also, perhaps it would be able to have some type of add-on purchase which
could add a larger ballast for 3-4" pipes 10' tall. Like, if you had this (but
adjustable)
http://www.3starinc.com/images/super/ROHN_JRM23855_800x600t.jpg
...with the ability to add an outer ring and make it into this:
http://www.3starinc.com/images/super/ROHN_25GBRM_800x600t.jpg
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 2:40 PM, wrote:
Yeah, that is always a problem. The more assembly you do during
fabrication, the more it costs to ship, the larger the packing crate is, the
more expensive packing is etc etc.
From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 2:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
Anything you can do to speed assembly but still take up less space. I never
liked how long they took to put together.
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016, 12:05 PM Chuck McCown wrote:
I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always
resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost
daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have
one.
If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that
differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged
for flat or peak mounts.
Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater
leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks.
I dunno, any ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
That Maxxwave has an add-on tray for peaks also. It says "Heavy guage galvanized steel", doesn't appear powder coated. Pretty cool product. http://www.balticnetworks.com/non-penetrating-roof-peak-tray.html On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > My 2c: > Leveling the mast might be an interesting feature, but I've never really > wished for it. > Where I saw a hole in the market was in a hinged mount that could accept > variable mast sizes without costing too much. > > There are cheap ones for $70 that only accept a satellite dish mount. > There are $600 ones from Rohn et al that accept different mast diameters. > The cheap ones are no good for me, and the other ones are offensively > expensive. I was unaware of the Baltic Networks / Maxxwave model before I > read this thread, and that looks to come in around $150. > > I have to put a 2' Trango dish on a hinged mount in the near future, and > I'll probably end up getting that Maxxwave model if I can confirm that it > will accept a mast > 2" OD. I wish it was HDG instead of powder coated, > but beggars can't be choosers. I also question that slider thing for > adjusting the angle of the mast, but I can always put more bolts in it if > it doesn't seem solid. > > Honestly, now that I've seen the Maxxwave one, I'm not sure what new thing > you can bring to bear. > > > Yeah, that is always a problem. The more assembly you do during > fabrication, the more it costs to ship, the larger the packing crate is, > the more expensive packing is etc etc. > > *From:* Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 2:35 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts > > Anything you can do to speed assembly but still take up less space. I > never liked how long they took to put together. > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2016, 12:05 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > >> I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always >> resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get >> almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks >> presume I have one. >> >> If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that >> differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or >> hinged for flat or peak mounts. >> >> Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater >> leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. >> >> I dunno, any ideas? >> > >
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
My 2c: Leveling the mast might be an interesting feature, but I've never really wished for it. Where I saw a hole in the market was in a hinged mount that could accept variable mast sizes without costing too much. There are cheap ones for $70 that only accept a satellite dish mount. There are $600 ones from Rohn et al that accept different mast diameters. The cheap ones are no good for me, and the other ones are offensively expensive. I was unaware of the Baltic Networks / Maxxwave model before I read this thread, and that looks to come in around $150. I have to put a 2' Trango dish on a hinged mount in the near future, and I'll probably end up getting that Maxxwave model if I can confirm that it will accept a mast > 2" OD. I wish it was HDG instead of powder coated, but beggars can't be choosers. I also question that slider thing for adjusting the angle of the mast, but I can always put more bolts in it if it doesn't seem solid. Honestly, now that I've seen the Maxxwave one, I'm not sure what new thing you can bring to bear. Yeah, that is always a problem. The more assembly you do during fabrication, the more it costs to ship, the larger the packing crate is, the more expensive packing is etc etc. *From:* Lewis Bergman <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 2:35 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts Anything you can do to speed assembly but still take up less space. I never liked how long they took to put together. On Sat, Jan 9, 2016, 12:05 PM Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
(not for a 25g in the last example. That was just a good ballast ring example) On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Jeremy wrote: > Just thinking out loud herehow much extra work would it be to make it > also able to be used on a peak? I mean, if you are making "one non-pen to > rule them all", it would be adjustable for pitch, pipe size, and for peaks. > > https://www.talleycom.com/images/MTSRT-PM-B_big.jpg > > Also, perhaps it would be able to have some type of add-on purchase which > could add a larger ballast for 3-4" pipes 10' tall. Like, if you had this > (but adjustable) > http://www.3starinc.com/images/super/ROHN_JRM23855_800x600t.jpg > > ...with the ability to add an outer ring and make it into this: > http://www.3starinc.com/images/super/ROHN_25GBRM_800x600t.jpg > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 2:40 PM, wrote: > >> Yeah, that is always a problem. The more assembly you do during >> fabrication, the more it costs to ship, the larger the packing crate is, >> the more expensive packing is etc etc. >> >> *From:* Lewis Bergman >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 2:35 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts >> >> Anything you can do to speed assembly but still take up less space. I >> never liked how long they took to put together. >> >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016, 12:05 PM Chuck McCown wrote: >> >>> I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always >>> resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get >>> almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks >>> presume I have one. >>> >>> If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that >>> differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or >>> hinged for flat or peak mounts. >>> >>> Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater >>> leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. >>> >>> I dunno, any ideas? >>> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
Just thinking out loud herehow much extra work would it be to make it also able to be used on a peak? I mean, if you are making "one non-pen to rule them all", it would be adjustable for pitch, pipe size, and for peaks. https://www.talleycom.com/images/MTSRT-PM-B_big.jpg Also, perhaps it would be able to have some type of add-on purchase which could add a larger ballast for 3-4" pipes 10' tall. Like, if you had this (but adjustable) http://www.3starinc.com/images/super/ROHN_JRM23855_800x600t.jpg ...with the ability to add an outer ring and make it into this: http://www.3starinc.com/images/super/ROHN_25GBRM_800x600t.jpg On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 2:40 PM, wrote: > Yeah, that is always a problem. The more assembly you do during > fabrication, the more it costs to ship, the larger the packing crate is, > the more expensive packing is etc etc. > > *From:* Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 2:35 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts > > Anything you can do to speed assembly but still take up less space. I > never liked how long they took to put together. > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2016, 12:05 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > >> I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always >> resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get >> almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks >> presume I have one. >> >> If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that >> differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or >> hinged for flat or peak mounts. >> >> Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater >> leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. >> >> I dunno, any ideas? >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
Yeah, that is always a problem. The more assembly you do during fabrication, the more it costs to ship, the larger the packing crate is, the more expensive packing is etc etc. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 2:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts Anything you can do to speed assembly but still take up less space. I never liked how long they took to put together. On Sat, Jan 9, 2016, 12:05 PM Chuck McCown wrote: I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
Anything you can do to speed assembly but still take up less space. I never liked how long they took to put together. On Sat, Jan 9, 2016, 12:05 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always > resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get > almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks > presume I have one. > > If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that > differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or > hinged for flat or peak mounts. > > Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater > leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. > > I dunno, any ideas? >
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
I have been looking this stuff over, but I hate to knock off anybody. If I am going to do something I have to add value or features or something. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 2:07 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts You can get ideas from Ronards web pages On Jan 9, 2016 2:06 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: I’ll have to take a picture of one at my office. The ones we bought on Amazon have a four bolt ring at the top that is the same as the old 3’ Tripods we used to buy at Radio Shack. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts Is the 36 inch square base large enough? Adjustment is easy to add. Can you point me to the design that has the circular holder for the mast? Not sure I am familiar with that. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts We are using NPRM’s that have circular holder for the pipes that can handle up to 3” pipes. At that size pipe, if we use conduit with center sleeves, usually 2.5”, we can go up to 20’ with enough blocks. We put omni’s on top of them. Our complaint with them is that they don’t have enough adjustment for angle, we could really use 10 degrees. In that case, we use boards to get them close to level. Then we run into flimsy bottoms that flex and bend when you try to adjust them. On a level, flat roof, they are fine. But most residential roofs have some slight angle for water runoff and in that case, they are a pain to work with. My suggestion is a heavier duty base with some way to adjust the pitch on the pole by up to 10 degrees or more. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
OK, I understand the ring situation. I think I have a slightly better method. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 2:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts I’ll have to take a picture of one at my office. The ones we bought on Amazon have a four bolt ring at the top that is the same as the old 3’ Tripods we used to buy at Radio Shack. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts Is the 36 inch square base large enough? Adjustment is easy to add. Can you point me to the design that has the circular holder for the mast? Not sure I am familiar with that. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts We are using NPRM’s that have circular holder for the pipes that can handle up to 3” pipes. At that size pipe, if we use conduit with center sleeves, usually 2.5”, we can go up to 20’ with enough blocks. We put omni’s on top of them. Our complaint with them is that they don’t have enough adjustment for angle, we could really use 10 degrees. In that case, we use boards to get them close to level. Then we run into flimsy bottoms that flex and bend when you try to adjust them. On a level, flat roof, they are fine. But most residential roofs have some slight angle for water runoff and in that case, they are a pain to work with. My suggestion is a heavier duty base with some way to adjust the pitch on the pole by up to 10 degrees or more. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
Sand bags will deteriorate over time, leaving you with a pile of sand for ballast. Not so good when it actually gets some leverage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "jay weekley" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 1:40:46 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts Who doesn't love carrying 50 pound sand bags up a ladder to the second floor? Over and over. On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: There are usually only 2 types of NonPen's that we use, either a 6' mast sturdy enough to put a reflector dish on (Flat roof that has a 4' kneewall around the roof, very common in our area) or something in the 20-30' range. We don't usually have a need for something in between. Definitely have the need to slightly level the mount in some way. It would also be really cool to come up with a way to get ballast to the roof. Maybe a smaller and lighter version of one of these that only needs to do 40 or 50lb at a time. http://www.garlockequip.com/garlock-hand-power-hoist-300-lb/ Run a Garden hose up to fill up some plastic water tanks for the ballast. Obviously, this would only be used when you need to lift more than like 10 blocks to the roof. Bonus points if you could hook a drill up to it to make it a powered lift. On 1/9/2016 1:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: There’s already one that tilts, although the mast appears to be a non-standard size if you want to put a reflector dish directly on the top. http://www.balticnetworks.com/maxxwave-adjustable-2in-non-penetrating-roof-mount.html Lots of other designs out there including pitched roof mounts that take J-pipes. http://www.3starinc.com/non-pen_mounts_2.html From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts So you would want the mast holder to have U bolts? Then you supply your own mast? I looked at the wall brace, I don’t remember what the issue was, probably could not build it for a competitive price. I know I played with the design a bit. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:36 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with degrees on it. Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The screw and bolt serves two purposes... hinge and anti rotation. So now you can tilt mast as needed. The yoke will be wide enough to accommodate different size pipe and by using same tightening method but with longer screws you can adjust to position. This will work whether support base is traditional or hinged. Easy enough to make telescoping arms if you have a machine shop. I waive my consulting fee for the good of the list. BTW..hey Chuck... you ever make that wall brace idea I sent you? On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" < lis...@joshaven.com > wrote: How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for larger & smaller setups… Sincerely, Joshaven Potter Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 supp...@joshaven.com On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
You can get ideas from Ronards web pages On Jan 9, 2016 2:06 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > I’ll have to take a picture of one at my office. The ones we bought on > Amazon have a four bolt ring at the top that is the same as the old 3’ > Tripods we used to buy at Radio Shack. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:30 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts > > > > Is the 36 inch square base large enough? > > Adjustment is easy to add. > > > > Can you point me to the design that has the circular holder for the mast? > Not sure I am familiar with that. > > > > *From:* Rory Conaway > > *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:19 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts > > > > We are using NPRM’s that have circular holder for the pipes that can > handle up to 3” pipes. At that size pipe, if we use conduit with center > sleeves, usually 2.5”, we can go up to 20’ with enough blocks. We put > omni’s on top of them. Our complaint with them is that they don’t have > enough adjustment for angle, we could really use 10 degrees. In that case, > we use boards to get them close to level. Then we run into flimsy bottoms > that flex and bend when you try to adjust them. On a level, flat roof, > they are fine. But most residential roofs have some slight angle for water > runoff and in that case, they are a pain to work with. > > > > My suggestion is a heavier duty base with some way to adjust the pitch on > the pole by up to 10 degrees or more. > > > > Rory > > > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:06 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts > > > > I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always > resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get > almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks > presume I have one. > > > > If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that > differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or > hinged for flat or peak mounts. > > > > Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater > leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. > > > > I dunno, any ideas? >
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
My favorite ones are the ones Baltic sells. They can accommodate flat or pitched roofs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 12:05:40 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
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I’ll have to take a picture of one at my office. The ones we bought on Amazon have a four bolt ring at the top that is the same as the old 3’ Tripods we used to buy at Radio Shack. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts Is the 36 inch square base large enough? Adjustment is easy to add. Can you point me to the design that has the circular holder for the mast? Not sure I am familiar with that. From: Rory Conaway<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net> Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:19 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts We are using NPRM’s that have circular holder for the pipes that can handle up to 3” pipes. At that size pipe, if we use conduit with center sleeves, usually 2.5”, we can go up to 20’ with enough blocks. We put omni’s on top of them. Our complaint with them is that they don’t have enough adjustment for angle, we could really use 10 degrees. In that case, we use boards to get them close to level. Then we run into flimsy bottoms that flex and bend when you try to adjust them. On a level, flat roof, they are fine. But most residential roofs have some slight angle for water runoff and in that case, they are a pain to work with. My suggestion is a heavier duty base with some way to adjust the pitch on the pole by up to 10 degrees or more. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:06 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
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Should not be a problem. Thanks From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 12:27 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts Che kit out see Holmes...orale On Jan 9, 2016 11:45 AM, wrote: So you would want the mast holder to have U bolts? Then you supply your own mast? I looked at the wall brace, I don’t remember what the issue was, probably could not build it for a competitive price. I know I played with the design a bit. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:36 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with degrees on it. Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The screw and bolt serves two purposes... hinge and anti rotation. So now you can tilt mast as needed. The yoke will be wide enough to accommodate different size pipe and by using same tightening method but with longer screws you can adjust to position. This will work whether support base is traditional or hinged. Easy enough to make telescoping arms if you have a machine shop. I waive my consulting fee for the good of the list. BTW..hey Chuck... you ever make that wall brace idea I sent you? On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" wrote: How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for larger & smaller setups… Sincerely, Joshaven Potter Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 supp...@joshaven.com On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
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Who doesn't love carrying 50 pound sand bags up a ladder to the second floor? Over and over. On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 1:30 PM, Nate Burke wrote: > There are usually only 2 types of NonPen's that we use, either a 6' mast > sturdy enough to put a reflector dish on (Flat roof that has a 4' kneewall > around the roof, very common in our area) or something in the 20-30' > range. We don't usually have a need for something in between. > > Definitely have the need to slightly level the mount in some way. > > It would also be really cool to come up with a way to get ballast to the > roof. Maybe a smaller and lighter version of one of these that only needs > to do 40 or 50lb at a time. > http://www.garlockequip.com/garlock-hand-power-hoist-300-lb/ Run a > Garden hose up to fill up some plastic water tanks for the ballast. > Obviously, this would only be used when you need to lift more than like 10 > blocks to the roof. Bonus points if you could hook a drill up to it to > make it a powered lift. > > > On 1/9/2016 1:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > There’s already one that tilts, although the mast appears to be a > non-standard size if you want to put a reflector dish directly on the top. > > http://www.balticnetworks.com/maxxwave-adjustable-2in-non-penetrating-roof-mount.html > > Lots of other designs out there including pitched roof mounts that take > J-pipes. > http://www.3starinc.com/non-pen_mounts_2.html > > > *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com > *Sent:* Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:45 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts > > So you would want the mast holder to have U bolts? Then you supply your > own mast? > > I looked at the wall brace, I don’t remember what the issue was, probably > could not build it for a competitive price. I know I played with the > design a bit. > > > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:36 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts > > > OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with > degrees on it. Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The screw > and bolt serves two purposes... hinge and anti rotation. So now you can > tilt mast as needed. The yoke will be wide enough to accommodate > different size pipe and by using same tightening method but with longer > screws you can adjust to position. This will work whether support base is > traditional or hinged. Easy enough to make telescoping arms if you have a > machine shop. I waive my consulting fee for the good of the list. BTW..hey > Chuck... you ever make that wall brace idea I sent you? > On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" > wrote: > >> How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for >> larger & smaller setups… >> >> >> Sincerely, >> Joshaven Potter >> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co >> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 >> supp...@joshaven.com >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always >> resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get >> almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks >> presume I have one. >> >> If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that >> differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or >> hinged for flat or peak mounts. >> >> Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater >> leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. >> >> I dunno, any ideas? >> >> >> > >
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Ha. Just add a O to ending...I promise not to laugh at your dancing if you don't laugh at my English. On Jan 9, 2016 12:06 PM, wrote: > > http://www.nytimes.com/video/movies/10003393598/the-mexican-scene-i-need-a-lift-in-your-el-trucko.html > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:57 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts > > > No U bolts.. let me sketch it out...my English is not good. Ha > On Jan 9, 2016 11:45 AM, wrote: > >> So you would want the mast holder to have U bolts? Then you supply your >> own mast? >> >> I looked at the wall brace, I don’t remember what the issue was, probably >> could not build it for a competitive price. I know I played with the >> design a bit. >> >> >> >> *From:* Jaime Solorza >> *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:36 AM >> *To:* Animal Farm >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts >> >> >> OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with >> degrees on it. Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The screw >> and bolt serves two purposes... hinge and anti rotation. So now you can >> tilt mast as needed. The yoke will be wide enough to accommodate >> different size pipe and by using same tightening method but with longer >> screws you can adjust to position. This will work whether support base is >> traditional or hinged. Easy enough to make telescoping arms if you have a >> machine shop. I waive my consulting fee for the good of the list. BTW..hey >> Chuck... you ever make that wall brace idea I sent you? >> On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" >> wrote: >> >>> How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for >>> larger & smaller setups… >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Joshaven Potter >>> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co >>> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 >>> supp...@joshaven.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always >>> resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get >>> almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks >>> presume I have one. >>> >>> If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that >>> differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or >>> hinged for flat or peak mounts. >>> >>> Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater >>> leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. >>> >>> I dunno, any ideas? >>> >>> >>> >>
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
There are usually only 2 types of NonPen's that we use, either a 6' mast sturdy enough to put a reflector dish on (Flat roof that has a 4' kneewall around the roof, very common in our area) or something in the 20-30' range. We don't usually have a need for something in between. Definitely have the need to slightly level the mount in some way. It would also be really cool to come up with a way to get ballast to the roof. Maybe a smaller and lighter version of one of these that only needs to do 40 or 50lb at a time. http://www.garlockequip.com/garlock-hand-power-hoist-300-lb/ Run a Garden hose up to fill up some plastic water tanks for the ballast. Obviously, this would only be used when you need to lift more than like 10 blocks to the roof. Bonus points if you could hook a drill up to it to make it a powered lift. On 1/9/2016 1:09 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: There’s already one that tilts, although the mast appears to be a non-standard size if you want to put a reflector dish directly on the top. http://www.balticnetworks.com/maxxwave-adjustable-2in-non-penetrating-roof-mount.html Lots of other designs out there including pitched roof mounts that take J-pipes. http://www.3starinc.com/non-pen_mounts_2.html *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> *Sent:* Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:45 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts So you would want the mast holder to have U bolts? Then you supply your own mast? I looked at the wall brace, I don’t remember what the issue was, probably could not build it for a competitive price. I know I played with the design a bit. *From:* Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:36 AM *To:* Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with degrees on it. Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The screw and bolt serves two purposes... hinge and anti rotation. So now you can tilt mast as needed. The yoke will be wide enough to accommodate different size pipe and by using same tightening method but with longer screws you can adjust to position. This will work whether support base is traditional or hinged. Easy enough to make telescoping arms if you have a machine shop. I waive my consulting fee for the good of the list. BTW..hey Chuck... you ever make that wall brace idea I sent you? On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" <mailto:lis...@joshaven.com>> wrote: How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for larger & smaller setups… Sincerely, Joshaven Potter Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co <mailto:j...@g2wireless.co> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 supp...@joshaven.com <mailto:supp...@joshaven.com> On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
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I was actually conjuring ways to modify a non penetrating mount with extensions at the corners for extra leverage recently. Being able to buy it versus designing it and finding someone to build it would be great. On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always > resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get > almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks > presume I have one. > > If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that > differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or > hinged for flat or peak mounts. > > Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater > leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. > > I dunno, any ideas? >
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There’s already one that tilts, although the mast appears to be a non-standard size if you want to put a reflector dish directly on the top. http://www.balticnetworks.com/maxxwave-adjustable-2in-non-penetrating-roof-mount.html Lots of other designs out there including pitched roof mounts that take J-pipes. http://www.3starinc.com/non-pen_mounts_2.html From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 12:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts So you would want the mast holder to have U bolts? Then you supply your own mast? I looked at the wall brace, I don’t remember what the issue was, probably could not build it for a competitive price. I know I played with the design a bit. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:36 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with degrees on it. Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The screw and bolt serves two purposes... hinge and anti rotation. So now you can tilt mast as needed. The yoke will be wide enough to accommodate different size pipe and by using same tightening method but with longer screws you can adjust to position. This will work whether support base is traditional or hinged. Easy enough to make telescoping arms if you have a machine shop. I waive my consulting fee for the good of the list. BTW..hey Chuck... you ever make that wall brace idea I sent you? On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" wrote: How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for larger & smaller setups… Sincerely, Joshaven Potter Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 supp...@joshaven.com On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
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http://www.nytimes.com/video/movies/10003393598/the-mexican-scene-i-need-a-lift-in-your-el-trucko.html From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:57 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts No U bolts.. let me sketch it out...my English is not good. Ha On Jan 9, 2016 11:45 AM, wrote: So you would want the mast holder to have U bolts? Then you supply your own mast? I looked at the wall brace, I don’t remember what the issue was, probably could not build it for a competitive price. I know I played with the design a bit. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:36 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with degrees on it. Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The screw and bolt serves two purposes... hinge and anti rotation. So now you can tilt mast as needed. The yoke will be wide enough to accommodate different size pipe and by using same tightening method but with longer screws you can adjust to position. This will work whether support base is traditional or hinged. Easy enough to make telescoping arms if you have a machine shop. I waive my consulting fee for the good of the list. BTW..hey Chuck... you ever make that wall brace idea I sent you? On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" wrote: How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for larger & smaller setups… Sincerely, Joshaven Potter Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 supp...@joshaven.com On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
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No U bolts.. let me sketch it out...my English is not good. Ha On Jan 9, 2016 11:45 AM, wrote: > So you would want the mast holder to have U bolts? Then you supply your > own mast? > > I looked at the wall brace, I don’t remember what the issue was, probably > could not build it for a competitive price. I know I played with the > design a bit. > > > > *From:* Jaime Solorza > *Sent:* Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:36 AM > *To:* Animal Farm > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts > > > OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with > degrees on it. Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The screw > and bolt serves two purposes... hinge and anti rotation. So now you can > tilt mast as needed. The yoke will be wide enough to accommodate > different size pipe and by using same tightening method but with longer > screws you can adjust to position. This will work whether support base is > traditional or hinged. Easy enough to make telescoping arms if you have a > machine shop. I waive my consulting fee for the good of the list. BTW..hey > Chuck... you ever make that wall brace idea I sent you? > On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" > wrote: > >> How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for >> larger & smaller setups… >> >> >> Sincerely, >> Joshaven Potter >> Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co >> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 >> supp...@joshaven.com >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always >> resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get >> almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks >> presume I have one. >> >> If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that >> differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or >> hinged for flat or peak mounts. >> >> Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater >> leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. >> >> I dunno, any ideas? >> >> >> >
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
So you would want the mast holder to have U bolts? Then you supply your own mast? I looked at the wall brace, I don’t remember what the issue was, probably could not build it for a competitive price. I know I played with the design a bit. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:36 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with degrees on it. Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The screw and bolt serves two purposes... hinge and anti rotation. So now you can tilt mast as needed. The yoke will be wide enough to accommodate different size pipe and by using same tightening method but with longer screws you can adjust to position. This will work whether support base is traditional or hinged. Easy enough to make telescoping arms if you have a machine shop. I waive my consulting fee for the good of the list. BTW..hey Chuck... you ever make that wall brace idea I sent you? On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" wrote: How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for larger & smaller setups… Sincerely, Joshaven Potter Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 supp...@joshaven.com On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
OK...here goes...make the mast holder brace like ones on J arms with degrees on it. Make wide enough to hold different diameter pipe. The screw and bolt serves two purposes... hinge and anti rotation. So now you can tilt mast as needed. The yoke will be wide enough to accommodate different size pipe and by using same tightening method but with longer screws you can adjust to position. This will work whether support base is traditional or hinged. Easy enough to make telescoping arms if you have a machine shop. I waive my consulting fee for the good of the list. BTW..hey Chuck... you ever make that wall brace idea I sent you? On Jan 9, 2016 11:26 AM, "Joshaven Mailing Lists" wrote: > How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for > larger & smaller setups… > > > Sincerely, > Joshaven Potter > Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co > Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 > supp...@joshaven.com > > > > On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always > resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get > almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks > presume I have one. > > If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that > differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or > hinged for flat or peak mounts. > > Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater > leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. > > I dunno, any ideas? > > >
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Hmmm, modular expandability. I like that. From: Joshaven Mailing Lists Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for larger & smaller setups… Sincerely, Joshaven Potter Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 supp...@joshaven.com On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
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Is the 36 inch square base large enough? Adjustment is easy to add. Can you point me to the design that has the circular holder for the mast? Not sure I am familiar with that. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts We are using NPRM’s that have circular holder for the pipes that can handle up to 3” pipes. At that size pipe, if we use conduit with center sleeves, usually 2.5”, we can go up to 20’ with enough blocks. We put omni’s on top of them. Our complaint with them is that they don’t have enough adjustment for angle, we could really use 10 degrees. In that case, we use boards to get them close to level. Then we run into flimsy bottoms that flex and bend when you try to adjust them. On a level, flat roof, they are fine. But most residential roofs have some slight angle for water runoff and in that case, they are a pain to work with. My suggestion is a heavier duty base with some way to adjust the pitch on the pole by up to 10 degrees or more. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
Everything I do is HDG. What mast sizes would be preferred? From: Bill Prince Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts Two things. The one you mentioned about being switchable between flat and peaked roofs. The second thing would be HDG. Almost every one of the "economy" ones I've seen start rusting to pieces after a couple of years. Maybe an easy way to change the mast size would be a plus. Some of the ones on Tessco have 10 different models just to accommodate the mast differences. bp On 1/9/2016 10:05 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
How about Lego® style where you can add/remove parts to make it work for larger & smaller setups… Sincerely, Joshaven Potter Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370 supp...@joshaven.com > On Jan 9, 2016, at 1:05 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted > because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily > searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. > > If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that > differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged > for flat or peak mounts. > > Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater > leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. > > I dunno, any ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
We are using NPRM’s that have circular holder for the pipes that can handle up to 3” pipes. At that size pipe, if we use conduit with center sleeves, usually 2.5”, we can go up to 20’ with enough blocks. We put omni’s on top of them. Our complaint with them is that they don’t have enough adjustment for angle, we could really use 10 degrees. In that case, we use boards to get them close to level. Then we run into flimsy bottoms that flex and bend when you try to adjust them. On a level, flat roof, they are fine. But most residential roofs have some slight angle for water runoff and in that case, they are a pain to work with. My suggestion is a heavier duty base with some way to adjust the pitch on the pole by up to 10 degrees or more. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:06 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
Re: [AFMUG] Non penetrating mounts
Two things. The one you mentioned about being switchable between flat and peaked roofs. The second thing would be HDG. Almost every one of the "economy" ones I've seen start rusting to pieces after a couple of years. Maybe an easy way to change the mast size would be a plus. Some of the ones on Tessco have 10 different models just to accommodate the mast differences. bp On 1/9/2016 10:05 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: I get constantly asked to do a non penetrating mount. I have always resisted because there are a ton of them out there already. But I get almost daily searches for this term on my website. It appears folks presume I have one. If I did one, I would like to have some feature or quality that differentiates it from the rest. Perhaps a unit that can be locked or hinged for flat or peak mounts. Maybe one with hinged legs that give it a wider footprint using greater leverage so you don’t need as many concrete blocks. I dunno, any ideas?
