Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Josh Reynolds]

Was talking to a buddy of mine up there the other day. It was 60 there and
he thought he was dying from heat stroke!

I hold him to go to Phoenix sometime :)

On Sep 1, 2017 10:39 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Josh...ice doesn't count on size..lol..I work with Anchroage folks
> allot...they die in our heat..
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Sep 1, 2017 8:02 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> Former Alaskan here:
>> Take care, little Texas. We're rooting for you!
>>
>> On Sep 1, 2017 8:23 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>>
>> The gas thing is nuts. Lines at the gas stations into the night around
>> here. The size of the storm and affected area was huge, bigger than a lot
>> of north eastern states or even a couple combined. I don't think people
>> realize just how big Texas really is unless they have spent time here. I
>> really don't think a lot of people outside of TX have a grasp on the scale
>> of this thing. And, yes there are some crooks, but the vast majority of
>> people heading that way are going to help. I saw ad's for people looking to
>> buy boats and jet skis just so they could go help. Guys in by 4x4 clubs
>> with lifted trucks were submitting air intake heights to see if their
>> vehicles would pass the high water so they could go help. It's pretty
>> amazing how many people are putting in an effort. Our office is being used
>> to stock supplies of all kinds as my Ops Mgr's son and friends are heading
>> down to Aransas Co next week. Keep in mind, it is a 5 hr drive at highway
>> speeds in light traffic for me to get to Houston from where I live in Fort
>> Worth, 7hrs to Corpus, 10 hrs to Brownsville (when the roads are open and
>> clear). It's not exactly down the road.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> How about you just haul the generator in the trunk.  Then pull off road
>>> if  you want to start and charge...
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:28 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>>
>>> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
>>> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
>>> tax.
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>>>
>>>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>>>
>>>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>>>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
>>>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>>>> with a diesel?
>>>>
>>>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same
>>>> thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Robert" 
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>>>
>>>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>>>
>>>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
>>>> > red diesel?  :-)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > -
>>>> > Mike Hammett
>>>> > Int

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Jaime Solorza]

Josh...ice doesn't count on size..lol..I work with Anchroage folks
allot...they die in our heat..

Jaime Solorza

On Sep 1, 2017 8:02 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Former Alaskan here:
> Take care, little Texas. We're rooting for you!
>
> On Sep 1, 2017 8:23 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>
> The gas thing is nuts. Lines at the gas stations into the night around
> here. The size of the storm and affected area was huge, bigger than a lot
> of north eastern states or even a couple combined. I don't think people
> realize just how big Texas really is unless they have spent time here. I
> really don't think a lot of people outside of TX have a grasp on the scale
> of this thing. And, yes there are some crooks, but the vast majority of
> people heading that way are going to help. I saw ad's for people looking to
> buy boats and jet skis just so they could go help. Guys in by 4x4 clubs
> with lifted trucks were submitting air intake heights to see if their
> vehicles would pass the high water so they could go help. It's pretty
> amazing how many people are putting in an effort. Our office is being used
> to stock supplies of all kinds as my Ops Mgr's son and friends are heading
> down to Aransas Co next week. Keep in mind, it is a 5 hr drive at highway
> speeds in light traffic for me to get to Houston from where I live in Fort
> Worth, 7hrs to Corpus, 10 hrs to Brownsville (when the roads are open and
> clear). It's not exactly down the road.
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> How about you just haul the generator in the trunk.  Then pull off road
>> if  you want to start and charge...
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:28 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>
>> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
>> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
>> tax.
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>>
>>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>>
>>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
>>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>>> with a diesel?
>>>
>>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same
>>> thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Robert" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>>
>>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>>
>>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
>>> > red diesel?  :-)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Mike Hammett
>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
>>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com
>>> /company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> >

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Cameron Crum]

Yeahpeople really don't know about AK but of course a storm this size
could hit and nobody would know it either. ;)


On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Former Alaskan here:
> Take care, little Texas. We're rooting for you!
>
> On Sep 1, 2017 8:23 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
>
> The gas thing is nuts. Lines at the gas stations into the night around
> here. The size of the storm and affected area was huge, bigger than a lot
> of north eastern states or even a couple combined. I don't think people
> realize just how big Texas really is unless they have spent time here. I
> really don't think a lot of people outside of TX have a grasp on the scale
> of this thing. And, yes there are some crooks, but the vast majority of
> people heading that way are going to help. I saw ad's for people looking to
> buy boats and jet skis just so they could go help. Guys in by 4x4 clubs
> with lifted trucks were submitting air intake heights to see if their
> vehicles would pass the high water so they could go help. It's pretty
> amazing how many people are putting in an effort. Our office is being used
> to stock supplies of all kinds as my Ops Mgr's son and friends are heading
> down to Aransas Co next week. Keep in mind, it is a 5 hr drive at highway
> speeds in light traffic for me to get to Houston from where I live in Fort
> Worth, 7hrs to Corpus, 10 hrs to Brownsville (when the roads are open and
> clear). It's not exactly down the road.
>
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> How about you just haul the generator in the trunk.  Then pull off road
>> if  you want to start and charge...
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:28 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>
>> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
>> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
>> tax.
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>>
>>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>>
>>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
>>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>>> with a diesel?
>>>
>>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same
>>> thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Robert" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>>
>>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>>
>>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
>>> > red diesel?  :-)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Mike Hammett
>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
>>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com
>>> /company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Josh Reynolds]

Former Alaskan here:
Take care, little Texas. We're rooting for you!

On Sep 1, 2017 8:23 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

The gas thing is nuts. Lines at the gas stations into the night around
here. The size of the storm and affected area was huge, bigger than a lot
of north eastern states or even a couple combined. I don't think people
realize just how big Texas really is unless they have spent time here. I
really don't think a lot of people outside of TX have a grasp on the scale
of this thing. And, yes there are some crooks, but the vast majority of
people heading that way are going to help. I saw ad's for people looking to
buy boats and jet skis just so they could go help. Guys in by 4x4 clubs
with lifted trucks were submitting air intake heights to see if their
vehicles would pass the high water so they could go help. It's pretty
amazing how many people are putting in an effort. Our office is being used
to stock supplies of all kinds as my Ops Mgr's son and friends are heading
down to Aransas Co next week. Keep in mind, it is a 5 hr drive at highway
speeds in light traffic for me to get to Houston from where I live in Fort
Worth, 7hrs to Corpus, 10 hrs to Brownsville (when the roads are open and
clear). It's not exactly down the road.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> How about you just haul the generator in the trunk.  Then pull off road
> if  you want to start and charge...
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>
> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
> tax.
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>
>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>
>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>> with a diesel?
>>
>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same thing,
>> just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Robert" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>
>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>
>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
>> > red diesel?  :-)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > Mike Hammett
>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com
>> /company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>> >
>> >
>> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> > 
>> 
>> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> > *To: *af@afmug.com
>> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Cameron Crum]

The gas thing is nuts. Lines at the gas stations into the night around
here. The size of the storm and affected area was huge, bigger than a lot
of north eastern states or even a couple combined. I don't think people
realize just how big Texas really is unless they have spent time here. I
really don't think a lot of people outside of TX have a grasp on the scale
of this thing. And, yes there are some crooks, but the vast majority of
people heading that way are going to help. I saw ad's for people looking to
buy boats and jet skis just so they could go help. Guys in by 4x4 clubs
with lifted trucks were submitting air intake heights to see if their
vehicles would pass the high water so they could go help. It's pretty
amazing how many people are putting in an effort. Our office is being used
to stock supplies of all kinds as my Ops Mgr's son and friends are heading
down to Aransas Co next week. Keep in mind, it is a 5 hr drive at highway
speeds in light traffic for me to get to Houston from where I live in Fort
Worth, 7hrs to Corpus, 10 hrs to Brownsville (when the roads are open and
clear). It's not exactly down the road.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 7:53 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> How about you just haul the generator in the trunk.  Then pull off road
> if  you want to start and charge...
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>
> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
> tax.
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>
>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>
>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>> with a diesel?
>>
>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same thing,
>> just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Robert" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>
>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>
>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
>> > red diesel?  :-)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > Mike Hammett
>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.
>> com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>> >
>> >
>> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> > 
>> 
>> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> > *To: *af@afmug.com
>> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>> >
>> > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
>> > paying road tax.
>> >
>&g

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Chuck McCown]

There  are lots of nice pump type water filters that can make drinkable water 
out of almost anything.
One would think they would have lots of those on hand in areas that get 
flooding like this.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:49 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

Water is scarce down there ..my wife and I provided 20 cases (40 bottles) to a 
supply convoy heading out tonight.  We are going to send clothes on 
Saturday..Fort Bliss soldiers and several law enforcement officers are en 
route.  


Jaime Solorza

On Aug 31, 2017 8:43 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  A company sent me an email for IT support work in Houston for Home Depots, 
Dollar Store and others.. i have work here and in Lubbock next three 
weeks...but I asked for SCOW and timeline, plus pay scale..they are covering 
travel and expenses.  Plus I have support contract with GPS and Arcticcom so a 
long stay in Houston area would be tough.  


  Jaime Solorza

  On Aug 31, 2017 8:37 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

Was at a contract customer today, hes a truck managemnet and delivery 
outfit, not sure what its called, but he basically is who they call when they 
have stuff to go from a to b, and he arranges the truck... sombody please tell 
me what thats called, ive been going there for ten years and now feel too dumb 
to ask what its called. 
He was trying to set up a run into houston and couldnt get hold of anybody, 
was to the point of googling the shipper recipient to find a contact or cell 
number, crazy.
I said "youll be making bank off this when the rebuild starys i bet"
He said no, after katrina and sandy it was virtually impossible to find non 
contract trucks, cause the standard truck reaponse is "will you match what fema 
pays?"
Its all a racket

On Aug 31, 2017 9:28 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

  You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the 
generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road tax.

  On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

I'm not advocating this, but why?

Electric cars don't pay anything.

If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel. 
Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can 
engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt with 
a diesel?

I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same 
thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Robert" 
    To: af@afmug.com
    Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

As long as you keep it off-road!

On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use 
> red diesel?  :-)
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> 
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> 
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> 
> 
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
    > 
------------------------------------
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over 
gas
> 
> Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent 
> paying road tax.
> 
> On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter"  <mailto:rich...@mesh.net>> wrote:
> 
> Funny you say that about the tank.
> 
> __ __
> 
> We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to
> our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that 
had

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Chuck McCown]

How about you just haul the generator in the trunk.  Then pull off road if  you 
want to start and charge...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the generator 
is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road tax.

On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

  I'm not advocating this, but why?

  Electric cars don't pay anything.

  If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel. Well, I 
assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can engage the 
combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt with a diesel?

  I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same thing, 
just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Robert" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

  As long as you keep it off-road!

  On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
  > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use 
  > red diesel?  :-)
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > -
  > Mike Hammett
  > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
  > 
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
  > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
  > 
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
  > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
  > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
  > 
  > 
  > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
  > ------------------------------------
  > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
  > *To: *af@afmug.com
  > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
  > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
  > 
  > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent 
  > paying road tax.
  > 
  > On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter"  <mailto:rich...@mesh.net>> wrote:
  > 
  > Funny you say that about the tank.
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to
  > our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had
  > diesel.. 
  > 
  > It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
  > around to see who had fuel for him.
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00
  > on their signs denoting that they have no gas.
  > 
  > People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations
  > that do.
  > 
  > All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set
  > off, but it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.
  > 
  > My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair
  > amount of time at gas stations today. They are short handed already,
  >   because
  > 
  > they have sent a contingent down to Houston. 
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > Richard Strittmatter
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
  > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
  > *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM
  > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over
  > gas
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have
  > to refill it before the prices come back down.
  > 
  > __ __
  > 
  > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones
  > mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
  > wrote:
  > 
  > Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we
  > would be down to just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands
  > we are still in the mid to high 70s, and as I understand 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Chuck McCown]

If it bleeds it leads.  Panic is the only thing they have to sell.  

From: Richard Strittmatter 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 7:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

Funny you say that about the tank.

 

We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to our colo 
genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had diesel.. 

It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call around to 
see who had fuel for him.

 

It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00 on their 
signs denoting that they have no gas.

People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations that do.

All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.

 

I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set off, but 
it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.

My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair amount of 
time at gas stations today. They are short handed already,  because

they have sent a contingent down to Houston. 

 

Richard Strittmatter

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

 

I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have to refill it 
before the prices come back down.

 

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

  Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we would be down to 
just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands we are still in the mid to high 
70s, and as I understand it only one refinery is slated to be offline for an 
extended time.

   

  Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the garage, more if 
you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful, but we are coming up on the 
labor day price hike, in conjunction with this, theres going to be some gouging 
attempts, but its been made federally clear that gouging wont be tolerated.

   

   

   

  On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

  So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would soon run out 
of gas because the refineries are all shut down. So, guess what started 
happening in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I went to fill up my wife's car last 
night as it was running on about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I 
thought that was strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make a 
morning stop had 4 deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas station I passed was 
the same. My truck was on E so I had to wait. I went home, emptied all my gas 
cans into my project truck, and went back and got in line. For the most part 
people were being courteous, but when I got out of my truck, a guy in a black 
BMW and a woman in red sedan were going at it over who was supposed to get the 
pump next at the pump in front of mine. She was threatening to back into his 
car so he called the cops. The truck in front of him pulled out so he got a 
pump and she got a pump in less than 30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had 
called the cops, so she then called the cops and claimed the guy accosted her, 
making it a priority call so they showed up quick. He pumped his gas and left 
and she waited for the cops. The look on the cops face said it all, "why the 
f*ck am I dealing with this woman with everything that is going on?" Fort Worth 
sent 100 offices down to Houston so they are short staffed right now, and an 
argument at the gas pump is not a high priority. Anyway, just a heads up as to 
what might be coming to the rest of the country soon. Most of the gas is 
refined down this way, so unless things get better fast, there could be 
shortages in a lot of places. 

   

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Jaime Solorza]

t;> find non contract trucks, cause the standard truck reaponse is "will you
>>>>> match what fema pays?"
>>>>> Its all a racket
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:28 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
>>>>> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
>>>>> tax.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>>>>>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids 
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>>>>>> with a diesel?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same
>>>>>> thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *From: *"Robert" 
>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over
>>>>>> gas
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>>>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> > red diesel?  :-)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > -
>>>>>> > Mike Hammett
>>>>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
>>>>>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
>>>>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com
>>>>>> /company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>>>>>> > *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>>>> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
>>>>>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over
>>>>>> gas
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely
>>>>>&

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Steve Jones]

nes" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
>>>>> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
>>>>> tax.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>>>>>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids 
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>>>>>> with a diesel?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same
>>>>>> thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *From: *"Robert" 
>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over
>>>>>> gas
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>>>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> > red diesel?  :-)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > -
>>>>>> > Mike Hammett
>>>>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
>>>>>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
>>>>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com
>>>>>> /company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>>>>>> > *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>>>> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
>>>>>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over
>>>>>> gas
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely
>>>>>> arent
>>>>>> > paying road tax.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter" >>>>> > <mailto:rich...@mesh.net&

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Robert]

Simple...   Fuel taxes are there to pay for road maintenance.   The fact 
that electric cars are getting around the taxes they should pay for 
"using up" the road should not stop the process for fuel usage to go 
down the road continuing..   Use fuel on a highway in any form and that 
fuel should have a tax to maintain the road.   The right answer is a tax 
on electric vehicle mileage to equal fuel taxes per mile...


On 8/31/17 7:00 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I'm not advocating this, but why?

Electric cars don't pay anything.

If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel. 
Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids 
can engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a 
Volt with a diesel?


I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same 
thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
------------
*From: *"Robert" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

As long as you keep it off-road!

On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
 > red diesel?  :-)
 >
 >
 >
 > -
 > Mike Hammett
 > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
 > 
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

 > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
 > 
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>

 > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
 > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
 >
 >
 > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
 > ----
 > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
 > *To: *af@afmug.com
 > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
 > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
 >
 > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
 > paying road tax.
 >
 > On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter"  <mailto:rich...@mesh.net>> wrote:
 >
 >     Funny you say that about the tank.
 >
 >     __ __
 >
 >     We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to
 >     our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had
 >     diesel.. 
 >
 >     It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
 >     around to see who had fuel for him.
 >
 >     __ __
 >
 >     It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00
 >     on their signs denoting that they have no gas.
 >
 >     People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations
 >     that do.
 >
 >     All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.
 >
 >     __ __
 >
 >     I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set
 >     off, but it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.
 >
 >     My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair
 >     amount of time at gas stations today. They are short handed already,
 >       because
 >
 >     they have sent a contingent down to Houston. 
 >
 >     __ __
 >
 >     Richard Strittmatter
 >
 >     __ __
 >
 >     *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
 >     <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
 >     *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM
 >     *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
 >     *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over
 >     gas
 >
 >     __ __
 >
 >     I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have
 >  

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Jaime Solorza]

gt;
>>>>>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same
>>>>>> thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *From: *"Robert" 
>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over
>>>>>> gas
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>>>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> > red diesel?  :-)
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > -
>>>>>> > Mike Hammett
>>>>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
>>>>>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
>>>>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com
>>>>>> /company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>>> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>>> > 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>>>>>> > *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>>>> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
>>>>>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over
>>>>>> gas
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely
>>>>>> arent
>>>>>> > paying road tax.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter" >>>>> > <mailto:rich...@mesh.net>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Funny you say that about the tank.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > __ __
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> > our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station
>>>>>> that had
>>>>>> > diesel.. 
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to
>>>>>> call
>>>>>> > around to see who had fuel for him.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > __ __
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have
>>>>>> 0.00
&g

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Steve Jones]

There is so much shady business going on down there already, its a freaking
shame. My friends mom we are figuring croaked out in corpus chisty (sp) at
this point, and thats one of thousands of missing folks. And trashbags are
pulling shams, and we dont even know if we can trust the damn red cross.
That old bitch was a nice broad when she lived here. And half these people
offering help will pocket a persons last dime to make people have a false
sense that there is a chance. Just send a little cash.

On Aug 31, 2017 10:33 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> It was my wife's employer, Kool Smiles offices that participated in drive.
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:30 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> If you have an in on convoys you should set up a pickup address for some
>> wisp deliveries. Other than the norm like red cross, there are so many
>> places to donate, some even going to PACs people who want loot sent in dont
>> have any reliable option (i state this cause i found out i sent 20 to a pac
>> by mistake) 20 is not even a raindrop in a lake, but when you find out its
>> going to a pac instead of people it pisses you off
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Water is scarce down there ..my wife and I provided 20 cases (40 bottles)
>> to a supply convoy heading out tonight.  We are going to send clothes on
>> Saturday..Fort Bliss soldiers and several law enforcement officers are en
>> route.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 8:43 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A company sent me an email for IT support work in Houston for Home
>>> Depots, Dollar Store and others.. i have work here and in Lubbock next
>>> three weeks...but I asked for SCOW and timeline, plus pay scale..they are
>>> covering travel and expenses.  Plus I have support contract with GPS and
>>> Arcticcom so a long stay in Houston area would be tough.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2017 8:37 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Was at a contract customer today, hes a truck managemnet and delivery
>>>> outfit, not sure what its called, but he basically is who they call when
>>>> they have stuff to go from a to b, and he arranges the truck... sombody
>>>> please tell me what thats called, ive been going there for ten years and
>>>> now feel too dumb to ask what its called.
>>>> He was trying to set up a run into houston and couldnt get hold of
>>>> anybody, was to the point of googling the shipper recipient to find a
>>>> contact or cell number, crazy.
>>>> I said "youll be making bank off this when the rebuild starys i bet"
>>>> He said no, after katrina and sandy it was virtually impossible to find
>>>> non contract trucks, cause the standard truck reaponse is "will you match
>>>> what fema pays?"
>>>> Its all a racket
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:28 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
>>>> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
>>>> tax.
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>>>>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids 
>>>>> can
>>>>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>>>>> with a diesel?
>>>>>
>>>>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same
>>>>> thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Jaime Solorza]

It was my wife's employer, Kool Smiles offices that participated in drive.

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 31, 2017 9:30 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> If you have an in on convoys you should set up a pickup address for some
> wisp deliveries. Other than the norm like red cross, there are so many
> places to donate, some even going to PACs people who want loot sent in dont
> have any reliable option (i state this cause i found out i sent 20 to a pac
> by mistake) 20 is not even a raindrop in a lake, but when you find out its
> going to a pac instead of people it pisses you off
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> Water is scarce down there ..my wife and I provided 20 cases (40 bottles)
> to a supply convoy heading out tonight.  We are going to send clothes on
> Saturday..Fort Bliss soldiers and several law enforcement officers are en
> route.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 8:43 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> A company sent me an email for IT support work in Houston for Home
>> Depots, Dollar Store and others.. i have work here and in Lubbock next
>> three weeks...but I asked for SCOW and timeline, plus pay scale..they are
>> covering travel and expenses.  Plus I have support contract with GPS and
>> Arcticcom so a long stay in Houston area would be tough.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 8:37 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> Was at a contract customer today, hes a truck managemnet and delivery
>>> outfit, not sure what its called, but he basically is who they call when
>>> they have stuff to go from a to b, and he arranges the truck... sombody
>>> please tell me what thats called, ive been going there for ten years and
>>> now feel too dumb to ask what its called.
>>> He was trying to set up a run into houston and couldnt get hold of
>>> anybody, was to the point of googling the shipper recipient to find a
>>> contact or cell number, crazy.
>>> I said "youll be making bank off this when the rebuild starys i bet"
>>> He said no, after katrina and sandy it was virtually impossible to find
>>> non contract trucks, cause the standard truck reaponse is "will you match
>>> what fema pays?"
>>> Its all a racket
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:28 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
>>> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
>>> tax.
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>>>
>>>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>>>
>>>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>>>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
>>>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>>>> with a diesel?
>>>>
>>>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same
>>>> thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Robert" 
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>>>
>>>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>>>
>>>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Steve Jones]

If you have an in on convoys you should set up a pickup address for some
wisp deliveries. Other than the norm like red cross, there are so many
places to donate, some even going to PACs people who want loot sent in dont
have any reliable option (i state this cause i found out i sent 20 to a pac
by mistake) 20 is not even a raindrop in a lake, but when you find out its
going to a pac instead of people it pisses you off

On Aug 31, 2017 9:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Water is scarce down there ..my wife and I provided 20 cases (40 bottles)
to a supply convoy heading out tonight.  We are going to send clothes on
Saturday..Fort Bliss soldiers and several law enforcement officers are en
route.

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 31, 2017 8:43 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> A company sent me an email for IT support work in Houston for Home Depots,
> Dollar Store and others.. i have work here and in Lubbock next three
> weeks...but I asked for SCOW and timeline, plus pay scale..they are
> covering travel and expenses.  Plus I have support contract with GPS and
> Arcticcom so a long stay in Houston area would be tough.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 8:37 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> Was at a contract customer today, hes a truck managemnet and delivery
>> outfit, not sure what its called, but he basically is who they call when
>> they have stuff to go from a to b, and he arranges the truck... sombody
>> please tell me what thats called, ive been going there for ten years and
>> now feel too dumb to ask what its called.
>> He was trying to set up a run into houston and couldnt get hold of
>> anybody, was to the point of googling the shipper recipient to find a
>> contact or cell number, crazy.
>> I said "youll be making bank off this when the rebuild starys i bet"
>> He said no, after katrina and sandy it was virtually impossible to find
>> non contract trucks, cause the standard truck reaponse is "will you match
>> what fema pays?"
>> Its all a racket
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:28 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
>> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
>> tax.
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>>
>>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>>
>>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
>>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>>> with a diesel?
>>>
>>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same
>>> thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Robert" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>>
>>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>>
>>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
>>> > red diesel?  :-)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Mike Hammett
>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
>>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> > Midwest Internet E

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Jaime Solorza]

Water is scarce down there ..my wife and I provided 20 cases (40 bottles)
to a supply convoy heading out tonight.  We are going to send clothes on
Saturday..Fort Bliss soldiers and several law enforcement officers are en
route.

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 31, 2017 8:43 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> A company sent me an email for IT support work in Houston for Home Depots,
> Dollar Store and others.. i have work here and in Lubbock next three
> weeks...but I asked for SCOW and timeline, plus pay scale..they are
> covering travel and expenses.  Plus I have support contract with GPS and
> Arcticcom so a long stay in Houston area would be tough.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 8:37 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> Was at a contract customer today, hes a truck managemnet and delivery
>> outfit, not sure what its called, but he basically is who they call when
>> they have stuff to go from a to b, and he arranges the truck... sombody
>> please tell me what thats called, ive been going there for ten years and
>> now feel too dumb to ask what its called.
>> He was trying to set up a run into houston and couldnt get hold of
>> anybody, was to the point of googling the shipper recipient to find a
>> contact or cell number, crazy.
>> I said "youll be making bank off this when the rebuild starys i bet"
>> He said no, after katrina and sandy it was virtually impossible to find
>> non contract trucks, cause the standard truck reaponse is "will you match
>> what fema pays?"
>> Its all a racket
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:28 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
>> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
>> tax.
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>>
>>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>>
>>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
>>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>>> with a diesel?
>>>
>>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same
>>> thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Robert" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>>
>>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>>
>>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
>>> > red diesel?  :-)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Mike Hammett
>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
>>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com
>>> /company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>&

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Jaime Solorza]

A company sent me an email for IT support work in Houston for Home Depots,
Dollar Store and others.. i have work here and in Lubbock next three
weeks...but I asked for SCOW and timeline, plus pay scale..they are
covering travel and expenses.  Plus I have support contract with GPS and
Arcticcom so a long stay in Houston area would be tough.

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 31, 2017 8:37 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> Was at a contract customer today, hes a truck managemnet and delivery
> outfit, not sure what its called, but he basically is who they call when
> they have stuff to go from a to b, and he arranges the truck... sombody
> please tell me what thats called, ive been going there for ten years and
> now feel too dumb to ask what its called.
> He was trying to set up a run into houston and couldnt get hold of
> anybody, was to the point of googling the shipper recipient to find a
> contact or cell number, crazy.
> I said "youll be making bank off this when the rebuild starys i bet"
> He said no, after katrina and sandy it was virtually impossible to find
> non contract trucks, cause the standard truck reaponse is "will you match
> what fema pays?"
> Its all a racket
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:28 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
> tax.
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>
>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>
>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>> with a diesel?
>>
>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same thing,
>> just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Robert" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>
>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>
>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
>> > red diesel?  :-)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > Mike Hammett
>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
>> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com
>> /company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>> >
>> >
>> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> > 
>> 
>> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> > *To: *af@afmug.com
>> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>> >
>> > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
>> > paying road tax.
>> >
>> > On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter" > > <mailto:rich...@mesh.net>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Funny you say that about the tank.
&g

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Steve Jones]

Was at a contract customer today, hes a truck managemnet and delivery
outfit, not sure what its called, but he basically is who they call when
they have stuff to go from a to b, and he arranges the truck... sombody
please tell me what thats called, ive been going there for ten years and
now feel too dumb to ask what its called.
He was trying to set up a run into houston and couldnt get hold of anybody,
was to the point of googling the shipper recipient to find a contact or
cell number, crazy.
I said "youll be making bank off this when the rebuild starys i bet"
He said no, after katrina and sandy it was virtually impossible to find non
contract trucks, cause the standard truck reaponse is "will you match what
fema pays?"
Its all a racket

On Aug 31, 2017 9:28 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
tax.

On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>
> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>
> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel. Well,
> I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
> with a diesel?
>
> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same thing,
> just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Robert" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>
> As long as you keep it off-road!
>
> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
> > red diesel?  :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+In
> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/
> company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.
> com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> >
> >
> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> > 
> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> > *To: *af@afmug.com
> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
> >
> > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
> > paying road tax.
> >
> > On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter"  > <mailto:rich...@mesh.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Funny you say that about the tank.
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to
> > our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had
> > diesel.. 
> >
> > It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
> > around to see who had fuel for him.
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00
> > on their signs denoting that they have no gas.
> >
> > People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations
> > that do.
> >
> > All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > I personal

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Steve Jones]

You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
tax.

On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>
> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>
> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel. Well,
> I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
> with a diesel?
>
> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same thing,
> just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Robert" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>
> As long as you keep it off-road!
>
> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
> > red diesel?  :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > -
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> > 
> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> > *To: *af@afmug.com
> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
> >
> > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
> > paying road tax.
> >
> > On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter"  > <mailto:rich...@mesh.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Funny you say that about the tank.
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to
> > our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had
> > diesel.. 
> >
> > It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
> > around to see who had fuel for him.
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00
> > on their signs denoting that they have no gas.
> >
> > People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations
> > that do.
> >
> > All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set
> > off, but it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.
> >
> > My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair
> > amount of time at gas stations today. They are short handed already,
> >   because
> >
> > they have sent a contingent down to Houston. 
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Richard Strittmatter
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> > <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - star

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Richard Strittmatter]

I didn’t say the nearest station was not off-road… ;)
It just points out how stupid all this fuel business is right now..

I’m headed down to Houston this weekend to help some family, and I’m packing 
about 15 gallons of
gas just so I can make sure I’ll make it back to civilization.. They said it’s 
pretty bleak down there for fuel, and other essentials.
Taking milk, produce, and infant stuff.. They specifically asked for green 
beans, lettuce and such.. Stinks..

Richard



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

I'm not advocating this, but why?

Electric cars don't pay anything.

If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel. Well, I 
assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can engage the 
combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt with a diesel?

I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same thing, just 
one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.


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From: "Robert" mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

As long as you keep it off-road!

On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
> red diesel?  :-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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>
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> --------------------------------
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
> *To: *af@afmug.com<mailto:*af@afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>
> Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
> paying road tax.
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter" mailto:rich...@mesh.net%20%0b>> <mailto:rich...@mesh.net>> wrote:
>
> Funny you say that about the tank.
>
> __ __
>
> We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to
> our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had
> diesel.. 
>
> It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
> around to see who had fuel for him.
>
> __ __
>
> It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00
> on their signs denoting that they have no gas.
>
> People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations
> that do.
>
> All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.
>
> __ __
>
> I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set
> off, but it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.
>
> My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair
> amount of time at gas stations today. The

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Mike Hammett]

I'm not advocating this, but why? 

Electric cars don't pay anything. 

If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel. Well, I 
assume. Why can't I put red diesel into... sorry, most hybrids can engage the 
combustion motor for movement a factory version of a Volt with a diesel? 

I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same thing, just 
one comes with the generator and the other doesn't. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Robert"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas 

As long as you keep it off-road! 

On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 
> If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use 
> red diesel? :-) 
> 
> 
> 
> - 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> 
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> ------------------------------------ 
> *From: *"Steve Jones"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas 
> 
> Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent 
> paying road tax. 
> 
> On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter"  <mailto:rich...@mesh.net>> wrote: 
> 
> Funny you say that about the tank. 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to 
> our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had 
> diesel..  
> 
> It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call 
> around to see who had fuel for him. 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00 
> on their signs denoting that they have no gas. 
> 
> People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations 
> that do. 
> 
> All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that. 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set 
> off, but it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them. 
> 
> My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair 
> amount of time at gas stations today. They are short handed already, 
> because 
> 
> they have sent a contingent down to Houston.  
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> Richard Strittmatter 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com 
> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM 
> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over 
> gas 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have 
> to refill it before the prices come back down. 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones 
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> 
> wrote: 
> 
> Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we 
> would be down to just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands 
> we are still in the mid to high 70s, and as I understand it only 
> one refinery is slated to be offline for an extended time. 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the 
> garage, more if you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful, 
> but we are coming up on the labor day price hike, in conjunction 
> with this, theres going to be some gouging attempts, but its 
> been made federally clear that gouging wont be tolerated. 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum  <mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote: 
> 
> So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would 
> soon run out of gas because the refineries are all shut down. 
> So, guess what started happening in Fort Worth, a run on gas

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Steve Jones]

[Political] im obviously a trumpian. But i fully believe in accountabily.
My man claims there will be hypervigilance on the gouging, my mans doj has
claimed hypervigilance on gouging. If you see it, report it. Im not talkin
3.50 gas, thats anticipated as a result of the holiday on top of the
disaster with a petroleum reserve release. But if it tops 4, report it,
dont just bitch on afmug, see if my boy sticks to his word and hold the
vultures acountable. Even if i dont believe federal law should supercede
supply and demand, report it to legitimate authorities.

On Aug 31, 2017 8:34 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use red
diesel?  :-)



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--
*From: *"Steve Jones" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
paying road tax.

On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter"  wrote:

> Funny you say that about the tank.
>
>
>
> We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to our
> colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had diesel..
>
> It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
> around to see who had fuel for him.
>
>
>
> It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00 on
> their signs denoting that they have no gas.
>
> People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations that
> do.
>
> All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.
>
>
>
> I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set off,
> but it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.
>
> My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair amount
> of time at gas stations today. They are short handed already,  because
>
> they have sent a contingent down to Houston.
>
>
>
> Richard Strittmatter
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>
>
>
> I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have to
> refill it before the prices come back down.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we would be down
> to just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands we are still in the mid to
> high 70s, and as I understand it only one refinery is slated to be offline
> for an extended time.
>
>
>
> Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the garage, more
> if you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful, but we are coming up on
> the labor day price hike, in conjunction with this, theres going to be some
> gouging attempts, but its been made federally clear that gouging wont be
> tolerated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
> So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would soon run
> out of gas because the refineries are all shut down. So, guess what started
> happening in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I went to fill up my wife's car last
> night as it was running on about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I
> thought that was strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make
> a morning stop had 4 deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas station I
> passed was the same. My truck was on E so I had to wait. I went home,
> emptied all my gas cans into my project truck, and went back and got in
> line. For the most part people were being courteous, but when I got out of
> my truck, a guy in a black BMW and a woman in red sedan were going at it
> over who was supposed to get the pump next at the pump in front of mine.
> She was threatening to back into his car so he called the cops. The truck
> in front of him pulled out so he got a pump and she got a pump in less than
>

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Robert]

As long as you keep it off-road!

On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use 
red diesel?  :-)




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*From: *"Steve Jones" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent 
paying road tax.


On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter" <mailto:rich...@mesh.net>> wrote:


Funny you say that about the tank.

__ __

We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to
our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had
diesel.. 

It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
around to see who had fuel for him.

__ __

It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00
on their signs denoting that they have no gas.

People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations
that do.

All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.

__ __

I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set
off, but it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.

My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair
amount of time at gas stations today. They are short handed already,
  because

they have sent a contingent down to Houston. 

__ __

Richard Strittmatter

__ __

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over
gas

__ __

I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have
to refill it before the prices come back down.

__ __

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we
would be down to just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands
we are still in the mid to high 70s, and as I understand it only
one refinery is slated to be offline for an extended time.

__ __

Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the
garage, more if you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful,
but we are coming up on the labor day price hike, in conjunction
with this, theres going to be some gouging attempts, but its
been made federally clear that gouging wont be tolerated.

__ __

__ __

__ __

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:

So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would
soon run out of gas because the refineries are all shut down.
So, guess what started happening in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I
went to fill up my wife's car last night as it was running on
about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I thought that was
strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make a
morning stop had 4 deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas
station I passed was the same. My truck was on E so I had to
wait. I went home, emptied all my gas cans into my project
truck, and went back and got in line. For the most part people
were being courteous, but when I got out of my truck, a guy in a
black BMW and a woman in red sedan were going at it over who was
supposed to get the pump next at the pump in front of mine. She
was threatening to back into his car so he called the cops. The
truck in front of him pulled out so he got a pump and she got a
pump in less than 30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had
called the cops, so she then called the cops and claimed the guy
accosted her, making it a priority call so they showed up quick.
He pumped his gas and l

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Mike Hammett]

If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use red 
diesel? :-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas 


Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent paying 
road tax. 


On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter" < rich...@mesh.net > wrote: 





Funny you say that about the tank. 

We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to our colo 
genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had diesel.. 
It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call around to 
see who had fuel for him. 

It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00 on their 
signs denoting that they have no gas. 
People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations that do. 
All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that. 

I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set off, but 
it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them. 
My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair amount of 
time at gas stations today. They are short handed already, because 
they have sent a contingent down to Houston. 

Richard Strittmatter 


From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas 


I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have to refill it 
before the prices come back down. 



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we would be down to 
just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands we are still in the mid to high 
70s, and as I understand it only one refinery is slated to be offline for an 
extended time. 



Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the garage, more if 
you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful, but we are coming up on the 
labor day price hike, in conjunction with this, theres going to be some gouging 
attempts, but its been made federally clear that gouging wont be tolerated. 







On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum < cc...@wispmon.com > wrote: 

So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would soon run out of 
gas because the refineries are all shut down. So, guess what started happening 
in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I went to fill up my wife's car last night as it 
was running on about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I thought that was 
strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make a morning stop had 4 
deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas station I passed was the same. My truck 
was on E so I had to wait. I went home, emptied all my gas cans into my project 
truck, and went back and got in line. For the most part people were being 
courteous, but when I got out of my truck, a guy in a black BMW and a woman in 
red sedan were going at it over who was supposed to get the pump next at the 
pump in front of mine. She was threatening to back into his car so he called 
the cops. The truck in front of him pulled out so he got a pump and she got a 
pump in less than 30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had called the cops, so 
she then called the cops and claimed the guy accosted her, making it a priority 
call so they showed up quick. He pumped his gas and left and she waited for the 
cops. The look on the cops face said it all, "why the f*ck am I dealing with 
this woman with everything that is going on?" Fort Worth sent 100 offices down 
to Houston so they are short staffed right now, and an argument at the gas pump 
is not a high priority. Anyway, just a heads up as to what might be coming to 
the rest of the country soon. Most of the gas is refined down this way, so 
unless things get better fast, there could be shortages in a lot of places. 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Steve Jones]

Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
paying road tax.

On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter"  wrote:

> Funny you say that about the tank.
>
>
>
> We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to our
> colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had diesel..
>
> It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
> around to see who had fuel for him.
>
>
>
> It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00 on
> their signs denoting that they have no gas.
>
> People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations that
> do.
>
> All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.
>
>
>
> I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set off,
> but it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.
>
> My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair amount
> of time at gas stations today. They are short handed already,  because
>
> they have sent a contingent down to Houston.
>
>
>
> Richard Strittmatter
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>
>
>
> I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have to
> refill it before the prices come back down.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we would be down
> to just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands we are still in the mid to
> high 70s, and as I understand it only one refinery is slated to be offline
> for an extended time.
>
>
>
> Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the garage, more
> if you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful, but we are coming up on
> the labor day price hike, in conjunction with this, theres going to be some
> gouging attempts, but its been made federally clear that gouging wont be
> tolerated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
> So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would soon run
> out of gas because the refineries are all shut down. So, guess what started
> happening in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I went to fill up my wife's car last
> night as it was running on about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I
> thought that was strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make
> a morning stop had 4 deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas station I
> passed was the same. My truck was on E so I had to wait. I went home,
> emptied all my gas cans into my project truck, and went back and got in
> line. For the most part people were being courteous, but when I got out of
> my truck, a guy in a black BMW and a woman in red sedan were going at it
> over who was supposed to get the pump next at the pump in front of mine.
> She was threatening to back into his car so he called the cops. The truck
> in front of him pulled out so he got a pump and she got a pump in less than
> 30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had called the cops, so she then
> called the cops and claimed the guy accosted her, making it a priority call
> so they showed up quick. He pumped his gas and left and she waited for the
> cops. The look on the cops face said it all, "why the f*ck am I dealing
> with this woman with everything that is going on?" Fort Worth sent 100
> offices down to Houston so they are short staffed right now, and an
> argument at the gas pump is not a high priority. Anyway, just a heads up as
> to what might be coming to the rest of the country soon. Most of the gas is
> refined down this way, so unless things get better fast, there could be
> shortages in a lot of places.
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Richard Strittmatter]

Funny you say that about the tank.

We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to our colo 
genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had diesel..
It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call around to 
see who had fuel for him.

It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00 on their 
signs denoting that they have no gas.
People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations that do.
All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.

I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set off, but 
it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.
My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair amount of 
time at gas stations today. They are short handed already,  because
they have sent a contingent down to Houston.

Richard Strittmatter

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have to refill it 
before the prices come back down.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we would be down to 
just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands we are still in the mid to high 
70s, and as I understand it only one refinery is slated to be offline for an 
extended time.

Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the garage, more if 
you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful, but we are coming up on the 
labor day price hike, in conjunction with this, theres going to be some gouging 
attempts, but its been made federally clear that gouging wont be tolerated.



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum 
mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>> wrote:
So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would soon run out of 
gas because the refineries are all shut down. So, guess what started happening 
in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I went to fill up my wife's car last night as it 
was running on about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I thought that was 
strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make a morning stop had 4 
deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas station I passed was the same. My truck 
was on E so I had to wait. I went home, emptied all my gas cans into my project 
truck, and went back and got in line. For the most part people were being 
courteous, but when I got out of my truck, a guy in a black BMW and a woman in 
red sedan were going at it over who was supposed to get the pump next at the 
pump in front of mine. She was threatening to back into his car so he called 
the cops. The truck in front of him pulled out so he got a pump and she got a 
pump in less than 30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had called the cops, so 
she then called the cops and claimed the guy accosted her, making it a priority 
call so they showed up quick. He pumped his gas and left and she waited for the 
cops. The look on the cops face said it all, "why the f*ck am I dealing with 
this woman with everything that is going on?" Fort Worth sent 100 offices down 
to Houston so they are short staffed right now, and an argument at the gas pump 
is not a high priority. Anyway, just a heads up as to what might be coming to 
the rest of the country soon. Most of the gas is refined down this way, so 
unless things get better fast, there could be shortages in a lot of places.

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Robert Andrews]

Ok, maybe I'm paranoid, but just filled all the gas cans, put in staybl 
and I should be set, just for the price increase, if nothing else...


On 08/31/2017 01:43 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we would be 
down to just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands we are still in 
the mid to high 70s, and as I understand it only one refinery is slated 
to be offline for an extended time.


Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the garage, 
more if you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful, but we are 
coming up on the labor day price hike, in conjunction with this, theres 
going to be some gouging attempts, but its been made federally clear 
that gouging wont be tolerated.




On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum > wrote:


So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would soon
run out of gas because the refineries are all shut down. So, guess
what started happening in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I went to fill
up my wife's car last night as it was running on about 1/8 tank and
all the pumps were busy. I thought that was strange at 10pm. This
morning, the local 7-11 where I make a morning stop had 4 deep at
each pump. At lunch, every gas station I passed was the same. My
truck was on E so I had to wait. I went home, emptied all my gas
cans into my project truck, and went back and got in line. For the
most part people were being courteous, but when I got out of my
truck, a guy in a black BMW and a woman in red sedan were going at
it over who was supposed to get the pump next at the pump in front
of mine. She was threatening to back into his car so he called the
cops. The truck in front of him pulled out so he got a pump and she
got a pump in less than 30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had
called the cops, so she then called the cops and claimed the guy
accosted her, making it a priority call so they showed up quick. He
pumped his gas and left and she waited for the cops. The look on the
cops face said it all, "why the f*ck am I dealing with this woman
with everything that is going on?" Fort Worth sent 100 offices down
to Houston so they are short staffed right now, and an argument at
the gas pump is not a high priority. Anyway, just a heads up as to
what might be coming to the rest of the country soon. Most of the
gas is refined down this way, so unless things get better fast,
there could be shortages in a lot of places.

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Lewis Bergman]

I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have to
refill it before the prices come back down.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we would be down
> to just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands we are still in the mid to
> high 70s, and as I understand it only one refinery is slated to be offline
> for an extended time.
>
> Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the garage, more
> if you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful, but we are coming up on
> the labor day price hike, in conjunction with this, theres going to be some
> gouging attempts, but its been made federally clear that gouging wont be
> tolerated.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would soon run
>> out of gas because the refineries are all shut down. So, guess what started
>> happening in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I went to fill up my wife's car last
>> night as it was running on about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I
>> thought that was strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make
>> a morning stop had 4 deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas station I
>> passed was the same. My truck was on E so I had to wait. I went home,
>> emptied all my gas cans into my project truck, and went back and got in
>> line. For the most part people were being courteous, but when I got out of
>> my truck, a guy in a black BMW and a woman in red sedan were going at it
>> over who was supposed to get the pump next at the pump in front of mine.
>> She was threatening to back into his car so he called the cops. The truck
>> in front of him pulled out so he got a pump and she got a pump in less than
>> 30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had called the cops, so she then
>> called the cops and claimed the guy accosted her, making it a priority call
>> so they showed up quick. He pumped his gas and left and she waited for the
>> cops. The look on the cops face said it all, "why the f*ck am I dealing
>> with this woman with everything that is going on?" Fort Worth sent 100
>> offices down to Houston so they are short staffed right now, and an
>> argument at the gas pump is not a high priority. Anyway, just a heads up as
>> to what might be coming to the rest of the country soon. Most of the gas is
>> refined down this way, so unless things get better fast, there could be
>> shortages in a lot of places.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Steve Jones]

Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we would be down
to just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands we are still in the mid to
high 70s, and as I understand it only one refinery is slated to be offline
for an extended time.

Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the garage, more
if you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful, but we are coming up on
the labor day price hike, in conjunction with this, theres going to be some
gouging attempts, but its been made federally clear that gouging wont be
tolerated.



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would soon run
> out of gas because the refineries are all shut down. So, guess what started
> happening in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I went to fill up my wife's car last
> night as it was running on about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I
> thought that was strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make
> a morning stop had 4 deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas station I
> passed was the same. My truck was on E so I had to wait. I went home,
> emptied all my gas cans into my project truck, and went back and got in
> line. For the most part people were being courteous, but when I got out of
> my truck, a guy in a black BMW and a woman in red sedan were going at it
> over who was supposed to get the pump next at the pump in front of mine.
> She was threatening to back into his car so he called the cops. The truck
> in front of him pulled out so he got a pump and she got a pump in less than
> 30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had called the cops, so she then
> called the cops and claimed the guy accosted her, making it a priority call
> so they showed up quick. He pumped his gas and left and she waited for the
> cops. The look on the cops face said it all, "why the f*ck am I dealing
> with this woman with everything that is going on?" Fort Worth sent 100
> offices down to Houston so they are short staffed right now, and an
> argument at the gas pump is not a high priority. Anyway, just a heads up as
> to what might be coming to the rest of the country soon. Most of the gas is
> refined down this way, so unless things get better fast, there could be
> shortages in a lot of places.
>