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The “Paint Your Wagon” plan just does not work. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Don’t give Chuck ideas, that will become #6 in his letter. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter LOL! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 26, 2015 9:03 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: You guys are a riot and I know God is laughing. .hell He made the duckbill platypus...now thats funny. We had on business client install a ptp from his business to his friends house. They went from 6 users to 15it showed up on cpe dhcp list and speeds slowed down. I throttled them to 1mbps after two calls from us. He called to complain. .then threatened to cancel. We fired him and shut down LAN port. He called me a few choice words...oh well...next...I should have asked if I could use his wife for a few days Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 6:30 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination. ;) Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comOn 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet with that? Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it. On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress. I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner. From: TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier
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It was a joke...I have nothing against any religionbelieve me faith has gotten me through all kinds of issues. I believe but have questions. ..blame it on my Jesuit education in critical thinking and life.Still pretty Catholic but sometimes I waverso hope I didnt ruffle any feathers. Still explain my two hard right good friends who carry a bible in one hand and gun in the other. Somehow the message of love thy neighbor gets lost in their position. Jaime Solorza On May 27, 2015 9:36 AM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote: Getting into the middle of conversations without reading the whole chain is dangerous but ignorance never stopped me. *enlightened - *having or showing a rational, modern, and well-informed outlook. I don't think being religious disqualifies you from being enlightened. Don't get me wrong, I am not offended, I just differ in opinion that more enlightenment means less religion. I know plenty of people who meet all of the above and are additionally, quite religious. And of course, during this discourse, if I have typed something that has offended you I genuinely don't care. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Well Utah isnt alone. Most central and east Texas is below the bible belt if you know what I mean, nudge nudge...west Texas a bit more enlightened...(ducking under my hard hat)...mid 1990s while installing antennas on a tower for Cedar Hill ISD I radioed down ask which campus I was shooting at ... the one next to white church steeple. ... ahem...I count 123456789..10 steeples just in front..and I think they were all First Baptist Churches! !!! Jaime Solorza On May 27, 2015 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: The “Paint Your Wagon” plan just does not work. *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:29 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Don’t give Chuck ideas, that will become #6 in his letter. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:05 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter LOL! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 26, 2015 9:03 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: You guys are a riot and I know God is laughing. .hell He made the duckbill platypus...now thats funny. We had on business client install a ptp from his business to his friends house. They went from 6 users to 15it showed up on cpe dhcp list and speeds slowed down. I throttled them to 1mbps after two calls from us. He called to complain. .then threatened to cancel. We fired him and shut down LAN port. He called me a few choice words...oh well...next...I should have asked if I could use his wife for a few days Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 6:30 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination. ;) Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet with that? Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it. On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress. I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner. *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal
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The new pope seems cool, chalk one up for the Jesuits. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 1:02 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter It was a joke...I have nothing against any religionbelieve me faith has gotten me through all kinds of issues. I believe but have questions. ..blame it on my Jesuit education in critical thinking and life.Still pretty Catholic but sometimes I waverso hope I didnt ruffle any feathers. Still explain my two hard right good friends who carry a bible in one hand and gun in the other. Somehow the message of love thy neighbor gets lost in their position. Jaime Solorza On May 27, 2015 9:36 AM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote: Getting into the middle of conversations without reading the whole chain is dangerous but ignorance never stopped me. enlightened - having or showing a rational, modern, and well-informed outlook. I don't think being religious disqualifies you from being enlightened. Don't get me wrong, I am not offended, I just differ in opinion that more enlightenment means less religion. I know plenty of people who meet all of the above and are additionally, quite religious. And of course, during this discourse, if I have typed something that has offended you I genuinely don't care. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Well Utah isnt alone. Most central and east Texas is below the bible belt if you know what I mean, nudge nudge...west Texas a bit more enlightened...(ducking under my hard hat)...mid 1990s while installing antennas on a tower for Cedar Hill ISD I radioed down ask which campus I was shooting at ... the one next to white church steeple. ... ahem...I count 123456789..10 steeples just in front..and I think they were all First Baptist Churches! !!! Jaime Solorza On May 27, 2015 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: The “Paint Your Wagon” plan just does not work. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Don’t give Chuck ideas, that will become #6 in his letter. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter LOL! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 26, 2015 9:03 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: You guys are a riot and I know God is laughing. .hell He made the duckbill platypus...now thats funny. We had on business client install a ptp from his business to his friends house. They went from 6 users to 15it showed up on cpe dhcp list and speeds slowed down. I throttled them to 1mbps after two calls from us. He called to complain. .then threatened to cancel. We fired him and shut down LAN port. He called me a few choice words...oh well...next...I should have asked if I could use his wife for a few days Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 6:30 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination. ;) Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comOn 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet with that? Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it. On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress. I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner. From: TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless
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Getting into the middle of conversations without reading the whole chain is dangerous but ignorance never stopped me. *enlightened - *having or showing a rational, modern, and well-informed outlook. I don't think being religious disqualifies you from being enlightened. Don't get me wrong, I am not offended, I just differ in opinion that more enlightenment means less religion. I know plenty of people who meet all of the above and are additionally, quite religious. And of course, during this discourse, if I have typed something that has offended you I genuinely don't care. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Well Utah isnt alone. Most central and east Texas is below the bible belt if you know what I mean, nudge nudge...west Texas a bit more enlightened...(ducking under my hard hat)...mid 1990s while installing antennas on a tower for Cedar Hill ISD I radioed down ask which campus I was shooting at ... the one next to white church steeple. ... ahem...I count 123456789..10 steeples just in front..and I think they were all First Baptist Churches! !!! Jaime Solorza On May 27, 2015 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: The “Paint Your Wagon” plan just does not work. *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:29 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Don’t give Chuck ideas, that will become #6 in his letter. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:05 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter LOL! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 26, 2015 9:03 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: You guys are a riot and I know God is laughing. .hell He made the duckbill platypus...now thats funny. We had on business client install a ptp from his business to his friends house. They went from 6 users to 15it showed up on cpe dhcp list and speeds slowed down. I throttled them to 1mbps after two calls from us. He called to complain. .then threatened to cancel. We fired him and shut down LAN port. He called me a few choice words...oh well...next...I should have asked if I could use his wife for a few days Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 6:30 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination. ;) Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet with that? Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it. On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress. I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner. *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft
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Well Utah isnt alone. Most central and east Texas is below the bible belt if you know what I mean, nudge nudge...west Texas a bit more enlightened...(ducking under my hard hat)...mid 1990s while installing antennas on a tower for Cedar Hill ISD I radioed down ask which campus I was shooting at ... the one next to white church steeple. ... ahem...I count 123456789..10 steeples just in front..and I think they were all First Baptist Churches! !!! Jaime Solorza On May 27, 2015 8:04 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: The “Paint Your Wagon” plan just does not work. *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:29 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Don’t give Chuck ideas, that will become #6 in his letter. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:05 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter LOL! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 26, 2015 9:03 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: You guys are a riot and I know God is laughing. .hell He made the duckbill platypus...now thats funny. We had on business client install a ptp from his business to his friends house. They went from 6 users to 15it showed up on cpe dhcp list and speeds slowed down. I throttled them to 1mbps after two calls from us. He called to complain. .then threatened to cancel. We fired him and shut down LAN port. He called me a few choice words...oh well...next...I should have asked if I could use his wife for a few days Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 6:30 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination. ;) Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet with that? Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it. On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress. I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner. *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal
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Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet with that? Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it. On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress. I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner. *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.
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Don’t give Chuck ideas, that will become #6 in his letter. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 8:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter LOL! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 26, 2015 9:03 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: You guys are a riot and I know God is laughing. .hell He made the duckbill platypus...now thats funny. We had on business client install a ptp from his business to his friends house. They went from 6 users to 15it showed up on cpe dhcp list and speeds slowed down. I throttled them to 1mbps after two calls from us. He called to complain. .then threatened to cancel. We fired him and shut down LAN port. He called me a few choice words...oh well...next...I should have asked if I could use his wife for a few days Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 6:30 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination. ;) Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comOn 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet with that? Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it. On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress. I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner. From: TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address
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You guys are a riot and I know God is laughing. .hell He made the duckbill platypus...now thats funny. We had on business client install a ptp from his business to his friends house. They went from 6 users to 15it showed up on cpe dhcp list and speeds slowed down. I throttled them to 1mbps after two calls from us. He called to complain. .then threatened to cancel. We fired him and shut down LAN port. He called me a few choice words...oh well...next...I should have asked if I could use his wife for a few days Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 6:30 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination. ;) Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet with that? Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it. On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress. I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner. *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.
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Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination. ;) Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet with that? Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it. On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress. I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner. *From:* TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? *From:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. *From:* Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. *From:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.
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LOL! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 26, 2015 9:03 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: You guys are a riot and I know God is laughing. .hell He made the duckbill platypus...now thats funny. We had on business client install a ptp from his business to his friends house. They went from 6 users to 15it showed up on cpe dhcp list and speeds slowed down. I throttled them to 1mbps after two calls from us. He called to complain. .then threatened to cancel. We fired him and shut down LAN port. He called me a few choice words...oh well...next...I should have asked if I could use his wife for a few days Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 6:30 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination. ;) Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet with that? Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it. On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress. I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner. *From:* TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You
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We need a like button here!!! Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 26, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: You guys are a riot and I know God is laughing. .hell He made the duckbill platypus...now thats funny. We had on business client install a ptp from his business to his friends house. They went from 6 users to 15it showed up on cpe dhcp list and speeds slowed down. I throttled them to 1mbps after two calls from us. He called to complain. .then threatened to cancel. We fired him and shut down LAN port. He called me a few choice words...oh well...next...I should have asked if I could use his wife for a few days Jaime Solorza On May 26, 2015 6:30 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Sharing salvation is against the AUP and grounds for termination. ;) Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 05/26/2015 04:27 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: Their product is eternal salvation. I wonder if we could bundle internet with that? Speaking of that, what does federal code say about sharing salvation? I bet somewhere there's a politician trying to calculate a tax on it. On May 26, 2015 4:04 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress. I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner. From: TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating
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The last one is the one where some management program should allow microdistance measurements to see how far away users are from wireless indoor routers. We can set signal level but that's useless because of the difference in power output of different devices. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:01 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too.
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I do serve in a predominantly Mormon community. I myself am LDS. I agree that #5 should be ousted. It's not theft of service if they have family or friends staying with them for a short time. Or if they are even just visiting for an hour. If they are renting out a basement apartment though, then they should have two separate accounts. If they don't secure their wifi and I find out about I first send an email giving them 24 hours to secure it or their service gets shut off. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 26, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: But you don't serve in a predominantly Mormon community where the majority of people have pledged to be fair and honest in dealing with their fellow men. Trying to poke at the religion button there -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP. I would say appears to law enforcement not appears to us. Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and not available for use by the general public. We also say the customer is responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which of course is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use. I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal basis for Theft of Service and will just get pissed off at you. Seriously, under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi as illegal, in fact many phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by default. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too.
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We see the problem with neighbors that are close enough to connect. We caught a guy doing that and change the sensitivity level to the point where that didn't work. He even put a bigger antenna on there to help his neighbor. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter I do serve in a predominantly Mormon community. I myself am LDS. I agree that #5 should be ousted. It's not theft of service if they have family or friends staying with them for a short time. Or if they are even just visiting for an hour. If they are renting out a basement apartment though, then they should have two separate accounts. If they don't secure their wifi and I find out about I first send an email giving them 24 hours to secure it or their service gets shut off. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 26, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: But you don't serve in a predominantly Mormon community where the majority of people have pledged to be fair and honest in dealing with their fellow men. Trying to poke at the religion button there -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP. I would say appears to law enforcement not appears to us. Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and not available for use by the general public. We also say the customer is responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which of course is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use. I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal basis for Theft of Service and will just get pissed off at you. Seriously, under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi as illegal, in fact many phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by default. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too.
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I've had a customer that shared their internet connection using a nanostation loco M5 with a customer down the street. It was on the same frequency as the radio I installed. They called complaining about speed issues and that's how I found out. I refused them service from then on. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 26, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: We see the problem with neighbors that are close enough to connect. We caught a guy doing that and change the sensitivity level to the point where that didn't work. He even put a bigger antenna on there to help his neighbor. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter I do serve in a predominantly Mormon community. I myself am LDS. I agree that #5 should be ousted. It's not theft of service if they have family or friends staying with them for a short time. Or if they are even just visiting for an hour. If they are renting out a basement apartment though, then they should have two separate accounts. If they don't secure their wifi and I find out about I first send an email giving them 24 hours to secure it or their service gets shut off. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 26, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: But you don't serve in a predominantly Mormon community where the majority of people have pledged to be fair and honest in dealing with their fellow men. Trying to poke at the religion button there -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP. I would say appears to law enforcement not appears to us. Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and not available for use by the general public. We also say the customer is responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which of course is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use. I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal basis for Theft of Service and will just get pissed off at you. Seriously, under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi as illegal, in fact many phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by default. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too.
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But you don't serve in a predominantly Mormon community where the majority of people have pledged to be fair and honest in dealing with their fellow men. Trying to poke at the religion button there -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP. I would say appears to law enforcement not appears to us. Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and not available for use by the general public. We also say the customer is responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which of course is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use. I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal basis for Theft of Service and will just get pissed off at you. Seriously, under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi as illegal, in fact many phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by default. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too.
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child porn If you can inject those two words into a menace letter, you will never get an argument. If you do, you know to make sure that account has a static IP that is well documented for the feds. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: We see the problem with neighbors that are close enough to connect. We caught a guy doing that and change the sensitivity level to the point where that didn't work. He even put a bigger antenna on there to help his neighbor. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter I do serve in a predominantly Mormon community. I myself am LDS. I agree that #5 should be ousted. It's not theft of service if they have family or friends staying with them for a short time. Or if they are even just visiting for an hour. If they are renting out a basement apartment though, then they should have two separate accounts. If they don't secure their wifi and I find out about I first send an email giving them 24 hours to secure it or their service gets shut off. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 26, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: But you don't serve in a predominantly Mormon community where the majority of people have pledged to be fair and honest in dealing with their fellow men. Trying to poke at the religion button there -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP. I would say appears to law enforcement not appears to us. Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and not available for use by the general public. We also say the customer is responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which of course is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use. I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal basis for Theft of Service and will just get pissed off at you. Seriously, under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi as illegal, in fact many phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by default. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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your are jeopardizing your own service too you are jeopardizing your service as well. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: The last one is the one where some management program should allow microdistance measurements to see how far away users are from wireless indoor routers. We can set signal level but that's useless because of the difference in power output of different devices. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:01 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too.
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Thanks. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter your are jeopardizing your own service too you are jeopardizing your service as well. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:08 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: The last one is the one where some management program should allow microdistance measurements to see how far away users are from wireless indoor routers. We can set signal level but that's useless because of the difference in power output of different devices. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:01 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too.
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IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP. I would say appears to law enforcement not appears to us. Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and not available for use by the general public. We also say the customer is responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which of course is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use. I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal basis for Theft of Service and will just get pissed off at you. Seriously, under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi as illegal, in fact many phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by default. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too.
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Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.
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If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.
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But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.
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I am talking about letting all your neighbors use your connection in lieu of having their own. Perhaps I am not very clear about that. If your AUP says you cannot share this connection with others, and you do, then you are sharing something you do not have the right to share. In the public utility world, that is called theft of service. Same as tapping your power meter ahead of your meter or after your meter if it is flat rate. -Original Message- From: Brett A Mansfield Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter I do serve in a predominantly Mormon community. I myself am LDS. I agree that #5 should be ousted. It's not theft of service if they have family or friends staying with them for a short time. Or if they are even just visiting for an hour. If they are renting out a basement apartment though, then they should have two separate accounts. If they don't secure their wifi and I find out about I first send an email giving them 24 hours to secure it or their service gets shut off. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 26, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: But you don't serve in a predominantly Mormon community where the majority of people have pledged to be fair and honest in dealing with their fellow men. Trying to poke at the religion button there -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter IMHO the wording of #1 makes you sound too much like an evil ISP. I would say appears to law enforcement not appears to us. Actually, we just say in our TOS that WiFi routers must be secured and not available for use by the general public. We also say the customer is responsible for making sure that all users abide by our AUP, which of course is not possible if they run an open hotspot for anyone to use. I would get rid of #5, anyone under 30 is likely to scoff at the legal basis for Theft of Service and will just get pissed off at you. Seriously, under 30 or not, no one sees using someone's unsecured WiFi as illegal, in fact many phones will connect to any unsecured WiFi by default. -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Every so often, I send out something similar to the text below. Critiques welcome A WIRELESS ROUTER IS AN OPEN DOOR TO YOUR HOME Most people use a wireless router so they can use their handheld devices. Wireless routers are great, but there are some very important reasons they need to be locked down with strong passwords: 1) An open WiFi router or sharing your router password allows others to do illegal things that will be traced with you. Direct Communications cooperates with law enforcement authorities to track down internet sexual predators. If the predator is parked near your house using your WiFi signal from their car, it appears to us to be coming from your home. What will happen is that the authorities will kick down the door at your house. 2) Outsiders can use your Wifi to attack others or to hack into other’s computers and accounts. With a strong antenna they can be a half mile away and still use your WiFi. Again, the activity will register as happening inside your home. 3) A sophisticated hacker can take over your computers in your home and make them repositories and servers for child porn, stolen credit card numbers or any of a plethora of illegal information. You would not even know it was happening in many cases. 4) An open router allows outsiders to actually see what web pages and other content you are looking at. 5) Allowing a friend of neighbor to use your WiFi connection and your internet account is called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in allowing them to commit a crime and your are jeopardizing your own service too.
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Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.
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5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well. If they are downloading child porn, you will be arrested. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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I like both. I was unsure this is what was meant, but this makes it very clear. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 26, 2015, at 1:40 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well. If they are downloading child porn, you will be arrested. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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I changed it to you could be arrested. From: Brett A Mansfield Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 1:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter I like both. I was unsure this is what was meant, but this makes it very clear. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On May 26, 2015, at 1:40 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well. If they are downloading child porn, you will be arrested. On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
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They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. *From:* Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. *From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.
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Those missions also develop a skill at knocking on doors and selling an idea or a product. Leading to later in life becoming politicians or starting alarm companies. But I digress. I still remember living in Buenos Aires for 2 years as a kid, and 2 young Mormons knocked on our door. Turns out they didn’t know how to give their speech in English, only Spanish, but they stayed for dinner. From: TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter They are capitalists first, you can't feed the church on good will... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: But don’t they also vow to help the less fortunate? If they had more food on the table than they could eat, wouldn’t they share with their down-on-their-luck relative and neighbors? Well, they have more Internet than they can use (how much Internet can you use if you don’t watch porn?) So why waste the excess Internet when others are in need? Does McDonalds Arctic Circle stop you from taking a doggie bag and giving your uneaten fries to the homeless? From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter If you run a coax to the neighbors to use DirecTV or Comcast, they will call it “theft of service”. Criminal theft of service. Federal code specifically speaks to this. Just piggybacking on the same idea with the verbiage. TWC says: It is illegal not only to steal cable services but also to assist others to steal cable services. In fact, federal law provides for criminal penalties and civil remedies against people who willfully assist others to steal cable services. Such assistance can take the form of distributing pirate cable television descrambling equipment, assisting others to make unauthorized connections to cable systems, promoting the free use of one's wireless broadband network, or assisting others to hack into their modems and uncap them. Federal statutes prohibit the assistance of theft of services offered over a cable system. And it appears to be called “theft of service” if it is unwanted: http://www.theinternetpatrol.com/man-charged-with-theft-of-services-for-using-free-wifi-at-coffee-shop-in-for-a-brewed-awakening/ As far as the LDS folks go, it is not intended to scare them, it is intended to trigger a guilty conscience. They vow to be honest. This is intended to remind themthat this is not an honest behavior. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Not for me. I would avoid the whole theft of service approach. I think you are on shaky legal ground, plus it sounds lame unless LDS folks really are easily scared. Say it is against the Terms of Service they agreed to, and will result in disconnection of service. That doesn’t mean it is a crime. The better approach is probably that unsecured WiFi lets anyone within range capture everything you transmit without encryption, allows them access to your network and router on the trusted side of your firewall making it much easier for hackers, and as you mentioned could cause law enforcement to blame you for bad things someone else did on the Internet via your IP address. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 2:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Scary Letter Brett, Ken does this wording work better? 5)Allowing a neighbor to use your WiFi connection instead of purchasing service for their own house is a crime called “Theft of Service”. You are collaborating in this theft and jeopardizing your own service as well.
