[AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
I think most of the anti-AM attitude is just the lowest common denominator speaking. To them Slop-bucket is the standard voice mode on HF. So it follows that anything else is evil. Some years ago I had a discussion with one of the locals who exhibits this thinking. His reasoning (like most of them) was that AM occupies too much bandwidth. And of course we need to conserve spectrum. So AM should be outlawed. I countered by saying that on 2 meter CB there's not enough room for all the FM repeaters. Since ACSB occupies such little bandwidth you could put at least four repeaters of that mode in the same spectrum of one NBFM signal. So they should out outlaw FM on 2 meters and everyone switch to ACSB. (tongue firmly implanted in cheek) His eloquent, well thought out response? But EVERYONE uses FM! Robert A. Poff Chief Engineer WSBA / WARM-FM / WSOX / WGLD York, PA. Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lieutenant, target the offending power boat and launch photon torpedoes __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
This perpetration of AM-SSB bashing has had a long running history of at least 40 years. Let's face it, this discussion has run its course and now it is time to end this discussion and move on - that is to those frequencies that all of us petitioned for below 3750 Khz. I heard Don, K4KYV, calling CQ below 3700 Khz the other day, and no one came back to him. I was too busy to call Don but what a lovely signal he had. More of us should follow Don down to this open range rather than cozy up to SSB operation throughout 75 meters. This is particularly true of some AMers who just love to irritate or harrass folks on 3892 Khz. Happy Thanksgiving Day Dave, W3ST - W3CRA Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com Join the largest Collins group in the world Nets on 7208 at 4:30 EDST every day and Monday at 3805 at 8 PM EDST - Original Message - From: Robert A. Poff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:28 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams I think most of the anti-AM attitude is just the lowest common denominator speaking. To them Slop-bucket is the standard voice mode on HF. So it follows that anything else is evil. Some years ago I had a discussion with one of the locals who exhibits this thinking. His reasoning (like most of them) was that AM occupies too much bandwidth. And of course we need to conserve spectrum. So AM should be outlawed. I countered by saying that on 2 meter CB there's not enough room for all the FM repeaters. Since ACSB occupies such little bandwidth you could put at least four repeaters of that mode in the same spectrum of one NBFM signal. So they should out outlaw FM on 2 meters and everyone switch to ACSB. (tongue firmly implanted in cheek) His eloquent, well thought out response? But EVERYONE uses FM! Robert A. Poff Chief Engineer WSBA / WARM-FM / WSOX / WGLD York, PA. Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lieutenant, target the offending power boat and launch photon torpedoes __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Dave said This perpetration of AM-SSB bashing has had a long running history of at least 40 years. Let's face it, this discussion has run its course and now it is time to end this discussion and move on - that is to those frequencies that all of us petitioned for below 3750 Khz. Well Dave, if you don't like it, use your delete key! There are some of here willing to get to the root of the problem. It will not go away if we chose to ignore it. Besides, its healthy discussion. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
-Original Message- From: Robert A. Poff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 22, 2007 6:28 AM To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Subject: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams I think most of the anti-AM attitude is just the lowest common denominator speaking. Agreed. I'm thinking it's just one aspect of the Appliance Operator syndrome; if ya can't buy it at Amateur Electronics Supply, then it just ain't right. To them Slop-bucket is the standard voice mode on HF. So it follows that anything else is evil. I've long been tempted to fire up an HF rig on the (still legal) NBFM, just to see what reaction it would get. Let's use an innocuous signal that won't stand out much... like 500 watts on 3950 KHz!!! ;o) Some years ago I had a discussion with one of the locals who exhibits this thinking. His reasoning (like most of them) was that AM occupies too much bandwidth. And of course we need to conserve spectrum. So AM should be outlawed. I countered by saying that on 2 meter CB there's not enough room for all the FM repeaters. Since ACSB occupies such little bandwidth you could put at least four repeaters of that mode in the same spectrum of one NBFM signal. So they should out outlaw FM on 2 meters and everyone switch to ACSB. (tongue firmly implanted in cheek) His eloquent, well thought out response? But EVERYONE uses FM! ROTFLMFAO!!! Not too surprising, really. ANY mode is an obsolete nuisance to SOMEBODY out there. Just wait until it's YOUR pet ox that gets gored!!! I wish I could still legally fire up my old rotary spark gap...;o) Mr. T., W9LBB __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
I certainly hope that AMers dont operate down in the DX window. Its bad enough now fighting the 5-20KW US stations with my 1200W. A little respect often works well. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: David Knepper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams This perpetration of AM-SSB bashing has had a long running history of at least 40 years. Let's face it, this discussion has run its course and now it is time to end this discussion and move on - that is to those frequencies that all of us petitioned for below 3750 Khz. I heard Don, K4KYV, calling CQ below 3700 Khz the other day, and no one came back to him. I was too busy to call Don but what a lovely signal he had. More of us should follow Don down to this open range rather than cozy up to SSB operation throughout 75 meters. This is particularly true of some AMers who just love to irritate or harrass folks on 3892 Khz. Happy Thanksgiving Day Dave, W3ST - W3CRA Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com Join the largest Collins group in the world Nets on 7208 at 4:30 EDST every day and Monday at 3805 at 8 PM EDST - Original Message - From: Robert A. Poff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:28 AM Subject: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams I think most of the anti-AM attitude is just the lowest common denominator speaking. To them Slop-bucket is the standard voice mode on HF. So it follows that anything else is evil. Some years ago I had a discussion with one of the locals who exhibits this thinking. His reasoning (like most of them) was that AM occupies too much bandwidth. And of course we need to conserve spectrum. So AM should be outlawed. I countered by saying that on 2 meter CB there's not enough room for all the FM repeaters. Since ACSB occupies such little bandwidth you could put at least four repeaters of that mode in the same spectrum of one NBFM signal. So they should out outlaw FM on 2 meters and everyone switch to ACSB. (tongue firmly implanted in cheek) His eloquent, well thought out response? But EVERYONE uses FM! Robert A. Poff Chief Engineer WSBA / WARM-FM / WSOX / WGLD York, PA. Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lieutenant, target the offending power boat and launch photon torpedoes __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Mike Sawyer wrote: Dave said This perpetration of AM-SSB bashing has had a long running history of at least 40 years. Let's face it, this discussion has run its course and now it is time to end this discussion and move on - that is to those frequencies that all of us petitioned for below 3750 Khz. Well Dave, if you don't like it, use your delete key! There are some of here willing to get to the root of the problem. It will not go away if we chose to ignore it. Besides, its healthy discussion. As much as I want to agree with you, Mike (simply because it's Dave ;-) he's talking about ending the bickering and fighting amongst hams in general, whether they're on the air, or not. Also, I gotta disagree that it's -not- healthy discussion. After 40+ years there's -no- discussion left. It's just the perpetuation of an old argument that doesn't seem to have a logical conclusion, for both sides. Dave also makes a great point about AM'ers being just as guilty as SSB'ers in knowingly cranking up an AM QSO on a frequency that's 2kc (or less) away from an existing QSO (regardless of mode). Just because (collectively) you say Well, I've been operating AM right here here on this spot, this frequency for 40 years, and ain't no one gonna run me off... how does that make us any better than those who crank up a SSB QSO 2kc away from an existing AM QSO? Bottom line is, we are -all- hams, and all hams, regardless of mode -should- operate as gentleman (and ladies). As AM'ers, if we want to operate without persecution then we shouldn't be perpetuating the 40 year old 'kilocycle wars'. It's time to -move-. 3.720 has been a good spot for some of the NorthEasterners... below 3700 is a great expanse, void of signals and I don't know of an AM operating ham that doesn't have the wherewithal to upgrade to Extra class. When the band-warming party occurred (nearly a year ago), there were signals of all kinds below 3700kc and there was a great QSO that happened on 3650kc. Don's complaint (as valid as it is) is why isn't anyone else down there, taking advantage of the 'wide open spaces'? Tired of the back-biting and petty bickering? MOVE! QSY somewhere! -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
On Nov 22, 2007 9:09 AM, Geoff/W5OMR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Sawyer wrote: Dave said This perpetration of AM-SSB bashing has had a long running history of at least 40 years. Let's face it, this discussion has run its course and now it is time to end this discussion and move on - that is to those frequencies that all of us petitioned for below 3750 Khz. Well Dave, if you don't like it, use your delete key! There are some of here willing to get to the root of the problem. It will not go away if we chose to ignore it. Besides, its healthy discussion. As much as I want to agree with you, Mike (simply because it's Dave ;-) he's talking about ending the bickering and fighting amongst hams in general, whether they're on the air, or not. Also, I gotta disagree that it's -not- healthy discussion. After 40+ years there's -no- discussion left. It's just the perpetuation of an old argument that doesn't seem to have a logical conclusion, for both sides. Dave also makes a great point about AM'ers being just as guilty as SSB'ers in knowingly cranking up an AM QSO on a frequency that's 2kc (or less) away from an existing QSO (regardless of mode). Well said Geoff, and thanks. It's like I told some folks on AM the other day who are not happy with any AM'er that ALSO operates other modes; it's not the mode that makes the man, but the man himself that makes him a man. True, there are a lot of sideband ops that have a vitriol hatred for AM ops, but we all know it works the other way around too. None of this helps a damned thing in the hope this war will ever end. 73 Brian / wa5am __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Thanks, Geoff for these wonderful thoughts. I would love to operate below 3750 Khz but unfortunately habits are hard to break and I find myself back in the AM Window where there is activity. I thought that more AM stations would have moved down the band but it appears that we are creatures of habit. Perhaps, we are afraid of losing our window. Have a great Thanksgiving. Dave, W3ST - W3CRA Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com Join the largest Collins group in the world Nets on 7208 at 4:30 EDST every day and Monday at 3805 at 8 PM EDST - Original Message - From: Geoff/W5OMR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams Mike Sawyer wrote: Dave said This perpetration of AM-SSB bashing has had a long running history of at least 40 years. Let's face it, this discussion has run its course and now it is time to end this discussion and move on - that is to those frequencies that all of us petitioned for below 3750 Khz. Well Dave, if you don't like it, use your delete key! There are some of here willing to get to the root of the problem. It will not go away if we chose to ignore it. Besides, its healthy discussion. As much as I want to agree with you, Mike (simply because it's Dave ;-) he's talking about ending the bickering and fighting amongst hams in general, whether they're on the air, or not. Also, I gotta disagree that it's -not- healthy discussion. After 40+ years there's -no- discussion left. It's just the perpetuation of an old argument that doesn't seem to have a logical conclusion, for both sides. Dave also makes a great point about AM'ers being just as guilty as SSB'ers in knowingly cranking up an AM QSO on a frequency that's 2kc (or less) away from an existing QSO (regardless of mode). Just because (collectively) you say Well, I've been operating AM right here here on this spot, this frequency for 40 years, and ain't no one gonna run me off... how does that make us any better than those who crank up a SSB QSO 2kc away from an existing AM QSO? Bottom line is, we are -all- hams, and all hams, regardless of mode -should- operate as gentleman (and ladies). As AM'ers, if we want to operate without persecution then we shouldn't be perpetuating the 40 year old 'kilocycle wars'. It's time to -move-. 3.720 has been a good spot for some of the NorthEasterners... below 3700 is a great expanse, void of signals and I don't know of an AM operating ham that doesn't have the wherewithal to upgrade to Extra class. When the band-warming party occurred (nearly a year ago), there were signals of all kinds below 3700kc and there was a great QSO that happened on 3650kc. Don's complaint (as valid as it is) is why isn't anyone else down there, taking advantage of the 'wide open spaces'? Tired of the back-biting and petty bickering? MOVE! QSY somewhere! -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Well put, Geoff. Happy Thanksgiving to all. Pig out! Calories don't count on Turkey Day! Rick/K5IAR As much as I want to agree with you, Mike (simply because it's Dave ;-) he's talking about ending the bickering and fighting amongst hams in general, whether they're on the air, or not. Also, I gotta disagree that it's -not- healthy discussion. After 40+ years there's -no- discussion left. It's just the perpetuation of an old argument that doesn't seem to have a logical conclusion, for both sides. Dave also makes a great point about AM'ers being just as guilty as SSB'ers in knowingly cranking up an AM QSO on a frequency that's 2kc (or less) away from an existing QSO (regardless of mode). Just because (collectively) you say Well, I've been operating AM right here here on this spot, this frequency for 40 years, and ain't no one gonna run me off... how does that make us any better than those who crank up a SSB QSO 2kc away from an existing AM QSO? Bottom line is, we are -all- hams, and all hams, regardless of mode -should- operate as gentleman (and ladies). As AM'ers, if we want to operate without persecution then we shouldn't be perpetuating the 40 year old 'kilocycle wars'. It's time to -move-. 3.720 has been a good spot for some of the NorthEasterners... below 3700 is a great expanse, void of signals and I don't know of an AM operating ham that doesn't have the wherewithal to upgrade to Extra class. When the band-warming party occurred (nearly a year ago), there were signals of all kinds below 3700kc and there was a great QSO that happened on 3650kc. Don's complaint (as valid as it is) is why isn't anyone else down there, taking advantage of the 'wide open spaces'? Tired of the back-biting and petty bickering? MOVE! QSY somewhere! -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Old AM'ers
On Nov 22, 2007 9:30 AM, Larry Szendrei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't believe it; in 2008 I'll be able to join QCWA (if I decide that's something I want to do). Wonder when someone will start up a HCWA? There's lots of hams that have been on 50+ years. Brian / wa5am __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Old AM'ers
On Nov 22, 2007 9:42 AM, Ben Dover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonder when someone will start up a HCWA? There's lots of hams that have been on 50+ years. Brian / wa5am It's been done, but it didn't work out... the membership keeps dropping dead before they can call thier meetings! ;o) H... That could be a problem I hadn't thought of! HI __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Old AM'ers
-Original Message- From: A.R.S. - WA5AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 22, 2007 9:46 AM To: Ben Dover [EMAIL PROTECTED], Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old AM'ers On Nov 22, 2007 9:42 AM, Ben Dover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonder when someone will start up a HCWA? There's lots of hams that have been on 50+ years. Brian / wa5am It's been done, but it didn't work out... the membership keeps dropping dead before they can call thier meetings! ;o) H... That could be a problem I hadn't thought of! HI I really shouldn't joke about it; I'M getting close to the HCWA line myself! But the truth is that they DID float that idea a while back, and that was the result. Not all of us Old Farts out there are still all that active, mobile, and healthy... Mr. T., W9LBB __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
jeremy-ca wrote: I certainly hope that AMers dont operate down in the DX window. Its bad enough now fighting the 5-20KW US stations with my 1200W. A little respect often works well. Any frequency you're licensed for, is available to operate any mode you prefer. 3.705 to 3.725 at night, is a great place for AM, so is below 3.700Mc. DX doesn't -always- just hang out in one particular spot, although that's where you find a lot of 'em. AM doesn't have to hang out in one particular spot, either. That's just where most of us have gathered for a while. I'm glad to see AM spreading out throughout the band. No longer are we relegated to a particular set of frequencies. It's not like we're 'gathered in one pen' to be systematically slaughtered. I never liked fences, anyway. Happy Thanksgiving Day, y'all. Gobble till ya wobble! :-) -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] ham bio + thanks for mouse traps
I got my novice in ~1971 as WN4PRO. Built HW16 and ran CW with that. Went to Atlanta FCC office to get my General to become WB4PRO. RIg was Apache + HQ170C. I was a proud AMer at that time, had my shack in the backyard. Then I got SB10 adapter and learned about SSB. A bunch of us in the southeast got on every afternoon after highschool and college (mostly EEs) and yacked on and on - quite a tetesterone treat for nerdy kids that weren't out on the ball field. Although we didn't bash AMers back then, they were sort of holy grail to us as we had come through the ranks ourselves. Sometimes we would all kick on the carrier ourselves just for a change. Fast forward to now, with lots more boatanchors, 51, working in the high power RF business. Still love the smell of vintage radios warming up. With work saturating my desire to generate RF, I have little time to get on the air and transmit, but I sure enjoy listening at night, and also hearing what everyone is doing here and helping out when I can. --- On 'nuther subject: I just had a great start to the day, as my new mouse trap worked. On advice of a friend, I bought this galvanized box trap yesterday at the Feed Bin store in Santa Fe, and it has a wind up knob. It kicked the mice into a chamber that they cannot escape from. No bait needed. Placed it out in the carport last night, by the back door to my radio room. This morning there were two in it, which I took up to the mailbox 1/4 mile away, and let loose. One was too far gone, became road kill and the other scamped to safety. A lot better results than the usual Victor traps with peanut butter I have to say! And a lot easier to empty. Happy Holiday to all and 73 John K5PRO __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Old AM'ers
-Original Message- From: A.R.S. - WA5AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 22, 2007 9:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old AM'ers On Nov 22, 2007 9:30 AM, Larry Szendrei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't believe it; in 2008 I'll be able to join QCWA (if I decide that's something I want to do). Wonder when someone will start up a HCWA? There's lots of hams that have been on 50+ years. Brian / wa5am It's been done, but it didn't work out... the membership keeps dropping dead before they can call thier meetings! ;o) Mr. T., W9LBB __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AMers all old-timers?
I have operated AM since 1955 and hope to be around for at least another 30 on AM. Like the coordination of FM repeaters has done The best thing to get their GOAT is to plan a series of AM events every 30 KHz across the 80 meter band and have all the AMers fire up and really show the activity. Possibly setting up regions of the country on different freqs to allow lots of local/region contacts and reduce interference to next region. AM RULES. I realize many are crystal controlled on 3880/3885 but those able should spread out in groups daily across the band. I do hear some activity on 3810, 3785 and other freqs. We need more activity there and other freqs. Some groups should move if possible and reduce interference on 3880 and 3885. Just fodder for thought guys. Talk AM-make SSB worry. Healthfully yours, Don W4BWS - Original Message - From: Ellen Rugowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMers all old-timers? Old timers - yeah right! Many of us are probably younger than the idiot who sent you that e-mail Steve. Like you, I'm 44, and I've been licensed just as long as you (30 years in February). Cheap shots like the one you got, occur when people feel threatened. Obviously the ARRL, or one of its cronies is feeling this way. Like others said, we must be getting to them. Oooo!!! I CAN'T wait to fire up the Viking II! 73, Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Old-Timer AMers?
Yes, at 68 and active since 1948. Looking forward to the next 30. AM Rocks. Healthfully yours, Don W4BWS - Original Message - From: D. Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old-Timer AMers? I definitely fit the profile the guy mentioned. 65, next birthday, and 50 years with a license and really enjoy giving guys like him hell. Get the Viking going stock then modify if you need to. Congratulations Steve you have made it to the cellar where I live. Jim/W5JO Same here. I turned 65 my last, and I am now in my 49th year as a licensed amateur. I hope neither one of us will fall into that couple of years category, though. Ashtabula Bill got a chuckle about a decade ago when I told him about a couple of slopbuckets I overheard in conversation and one of them remarked Ashtabula Bill hasn't died yet?. Looks like they are still having a long wait. When I work Bill, we still sometimes get a laugh out of that one. :-) 73, Don k4kyv __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Old-Timer AMers?
I am curious about something in the record keeping of the FAA. I started out in 1958 or maybe 59 as WA6LGT then changed my call to WA5HLE sometime around 1960-61 when I moved to Texas, at that time it was required that you change your call if you moved. Then a few years ago to W5JAI when I became Extra but the records do not show the WA6LGT portion of my ham career. Maybe it was because I was in the military in Alaska when I got the license??? On Nov 22, 2007 10:24 AM, Donald Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, at 68 and active since 1948. Looking forward to the next 30. AM Rocks. Healthfully yours, Don W4BWS - Original Message - From: D. Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old-Timer AMers? I definitely fit the profile the guy mentioned. 65, next birthday, and 50 years with a license and really enjoy giving guys like him hell. Get the Viking going stock then modify if you need to. Congratulations Steve you have made it to the cellar where I live. Jim/W5JO Same here. I turned 65 my last, and I am now in my 49th year as a licensed amateur. I hope neither one of us will fall into that couple of years category, though. Ashtabula Bill got a chuckle about a decade ago when I told him about a couple of slopbuckets I overheard in conversation and one of them remarked Ashtabula Bill hasn't died yet?. Looks like they are still having a long wait. When I work Bill, we still sometimes get a laugh out of that one. :-) 73, Don k4kyv __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. -- Jim Isbell If you are not living on the edge, well then, you are just taking up too much space. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] Old AM'ers
We get plenty of Old Buzzards nodding off at our QCWA meetings, as it is! And there are more and more SK's obits read every meeting. Ed, VA3ES QCWA #28666 - Mr. T., W9LBB wrote: It's been done, but it didn't work out... the membership keeps dropping dead before they can call thier meetings! ;o) __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Old-Timer AMers?
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007, Jim Isbell, W5JAI wrote: I am curious about something in the record keeping of the FAA. I started out in 1958 or maybe 59 as WA6LGT then changed my call to Wel - looks to me like you studied real hard and then got your pilot's licence Hey - I wonder if I can sit for the Extra test and then upgrade to ATP, or something cool like that... sure be a lot less work/time/money. ;} HIHI! Here's wishing everyone a really nice weekend, long or short, filled with activities or pleasantly quiet (as it is here)... Cheers John KB6SCO __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AMers all old-timers?
Me and KN0R, (now the fine call, KK4AM) got on 160M and ran NBFM at about 1500watts. Naturally the slopbucketeers threw a fit. They tried to convince us that FM was illegal down there. I kindly told them to check out what the rules say and I just happened to have a copy of Part 97 that I recited to him. By saying this I am admiting to using a riceburner. But it seldom gets used;) Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK - Original Message - From: Donald Sanders To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMers all old-timers? I have operated AM since 1955 and hope to be around for at least another 30 on AM. Like the coordination of FM repeaters has done The best thing to get their GOAT is to plan a series of AM events every 30 KHz across the 80 meter band and have all the AMers fire up and really show the activity. Possibly setting up regions of the country on different freqs to allow lots of local/region contacts and reduce interference to next region. AM RULES. I realize many are crystal controlled on 3880/3885 but those able should spread out in groups daily across the band. I do hear some activity on 3810, 3785 and other freqs. We need more activity there and other freqs. Some groups should move if possible and reduce interference on 3880 and 3885. Just fodder for thought guys. Talk AM-make SSB worry. Healthfully yours, Don W4BWS __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: Geoff/W5OMR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams 3.720 has been a good spot for some of the NorthEasterners... below 3700 is a great expanse, void of signals and I don't know of an AM operating ham that doesn't have the wherewithal to upgrade to Extra class. When the band-warming party occurred (nearly a year ago), there were signals of all kinds below 3700kc and there was a great QSO that happened on 3650kc. Don's complaint (as valid as it is) is why isn't anyone else down there, taking advantage of the 'wide open spaces'? 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR As some of you know, I now have a Viking II. I also have the VFO to use with it. I was already heading in the direction mentioned above myself. I'm hoping to do, like I did this last summer, when 10 6 were open - announce what freq. I will be on via this reflector and/or the AMfone group (in this case, below 3700), and start calling CQ. Like Don says, we have to get out of the ghetto. I get the feeling that all too often AMers only want to hang out on the traditional 75 40m freqs. I'd love to do 15m AM. There's tons of open space above 21.4 MHz, and 15 is open during the day, more often than you think. There's also a lot of open space above 1900 kc, and in my case, 160 is often quieter than 75 is. 73 I don't mean anything nasty - just some food for thought Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] Old AM'ers
Ah... but you see what's needed is fresh, new blood! I'm already doing that with my buddies who were licensed at the same time I was. Ed, VA3ES - Jim Isbell, W5JAI wrote: Thats why I stopped re upping, it was too depressing. I expect to live another 50 years so I will be looking for a CWA membership before I leave this earth so I can depress the younger guys. On Nov 22, 2007 10:35 AM, Ed Sieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We get plenty of Old Buzzards nodding off at our QCWA meetings, as it is! And there are more and more SK's obits read every meeting. Ed, VA3ES QCWA #28666 -- --- Mr. T., W9LBB wrote: It's been done, but it didn't work out... the membership keeps dropping dead before they can call thier meetings! ;o) __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AMers all old-timers?
On Nov 22, 2007 10:48 AM, Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me and KN0R, (now the fine call, KK4AM) got on 160M and ran NBFM at about 1500watts. Naturally the slopbucketeers threw a fit. They tried to convince us that FM was illegal down there. I kindly told them to check out what the rules say and I just happened to have a copy of Part 97 that I recited to him. By saying this I am admiting to using a riceburner. But it seldom gets used;) Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK Kent/KX5KW and I have toyed with the idea of doing that too Mike. We live close enough to do it on 10 meters, but have wondered how we would fare down below. Brian / wa5am __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AMers all old-timers?
We tried just for an experiment. It worked nice because you could squelch out all the other crap. Although at 160, we did suffer allot from phase distortion due to the bouncing. But for the most part it worked pretty good. However like all disclaimers, your mileage may vary. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK Kent/KX5KW and I have toyed with the idea of doing that too Mike. We live close enough to do it on 10 meters, but have wondered how we would fare down below. Brian / wa5am __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Old AM'ers
Thats why I stopped re upping, it was too depressing. I expect to live another 50 years so I will be looking for a CWA membership before I leave this earth so I can depress the younger guys. On Nov 22, 2007 10:35 AM, Ed Sieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We get plenty of Old Buzzards nodding off at our QCWA meetings, as it is! And there are more and more SK's obits read every meeting. Ed, VA3ES QCWA #28666 - Mr. T., W9LBB wrote: It's been done, but it didn't work out... the membership keeps dropping dead before they can call thier meetings! ;o) __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. -- Jim Isbell If you are not living on the edge, well then, you are just taking up too much space. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AMers all old-timers?
A.R.S. - WA5AM wrote: On Nov 22, 2007 10:48 AM, Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me and KN0R, (now the fine call, KK4AM) got on 160M and ran NBFM at about 1500watts. Kent/KX5KW and I have toyed with the idea of doing that too Mike. We live close enough to do it on 10 meters, but have wondered how we would fare down below. For a test, I ran FM on 40m with a buddy. I was mobile on I-10 between San Antonio and Houston, he was near Lake Charles. The band was in decent shape and he was 20/S-9, on ssb. went to FM, running around 300w out of the mobile, and I think he was somewhere near a kW... once the squelch was set, it was just like talking simplex on 2m FM. but, we didn't stay there long, because there was 10 other people gathered on frequency. -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Well said Geoff, and thanks. It's like I told some folks on AM the other day who are not happy with any AM'er that ALSO operates other modes; it's not the mode that makes the man, but the man himself that makes him a man. True, there are a lot of sideband ops that have a vitriol hatred for AM ops, but we all know it works the other way around too. None of this helps a damned thing in the hope this war will ever end. 73 Brian / wa5am __ I operate AM, SSB, CW and plan to start digital operations for 6 2M EME. I enjoy every one of those modes. While it is certainly true that there is a small portion of the SSB crowd that hates AM, it often appears that the majority of AM operators hate SSB even more (usually referred to as slopbucket by AM ops who apparently have not experienced the joy of a modern SSB rig with near-perfect frequency accuracy). Personally, I don't understand why anyone would enjoy NASCAR, golf or football, but apparently I'm in the minority there. I'm not going to waste my time critizing them for an interest that I don't share. Enjoy your favorite modes of operation, but don't bash someone else just because they have have a different and/or possibly broader range of interests. For those who might question my loyalty to the AM mode, check out my website at www.w7ce.com (I own a Johnson KW desk and three broadcast transmitters, and have traveled over 11,000 miles in the last four years on boat anchor roadtrips). 73, Clay W7CE __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AMers all old-timers?
A.R.S. - WA5AM wrote: On Nov 22, 2007 10:48 AM, Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Me and KN0R, (now the fine call, KK4AM) got on 160M and ran NBFM at about 1500watts. Naturally the slopbucketeers threw a fit. They tried to convince us that FM was illegal down there. I kindly told them to check out what the rules say and I just happened to have a copy of Part 97 that I recited to him. By saying this I am admiting to using a riceburner. But it seldom gets used;) An AM'er owning a ricebox isn't a sin, nor should it tarnish our image. AM is just but -one- mode of our multi-faceted hobby, that let's us build and operate our own equipment, with a maximum output of 1,500w PEP, regardless of mode. So, if you 'feel the need' to run as much power as possible, 1000w of phase modulation is still detectable by diode detectors, doesn't modulate the amplitude much and the 'big signal' will certainly quiet down the background noise, provided the RF path is sustainable, and still be legal. I've always wanted to try a wide-band FM signal (and I mean 'wide', like in the range of 250kC). Most receivers wouldn't be able to even detect the signal, and (I think) it would just make a little more white-noise in background on most distant receivers. Your neighbors up to 5 miles away might not be too happy with it ;-) Selective Fading surely screws up an FM signal, though... -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
D. Chester wrote: Very rarely does intentional SSB QRM make it impossible for me to copy the other station, even on my half-century-old receiver. /But I make it a point never to mention the QRM over the air and give the offending operators the satisfaction of knowing that I am even aware of their existence./ THIS is key (IM[not-so]HO) to keeping the 'war' to a minimum! When the antagonist/jammer doesn't get the response they want from their target, they simply go find another target, and yet another 'on-air argument' is thwarted. Very classy, Don! Bravo! -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) -- 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
I certainly hope that AMers dont operate down in the DX window. Its bad enough now fighting the 5-20KW US stations with my 1200W. A little respect often works well. Carl KM1H I couldn't agree more. Non-DX contacts should avoid the DX window. For AM that probably means avoiding 3780 to 3805. That said, there have been a few DX AM QSOs being made in or near the 80M DX window. I know one West Coast ham who plans on trying to make a long path contact to Europe on AM. I don't have a problem with a special event like that. I need to get the 20V2 conversion finished so that I can try it too. 73, Clay W7CE __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AMers all old-timers?
- Original Message - From: Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMers all old-timers? Me and KN0R, (now the fine call, KK4AM) got on 160M and ran NBFM at about 1500watts. Naturally the slopbucketeers threw a fit. They tried to convince us that FM was illegal down there. I kindly told them to check out what the rules say and I just happened to have a copy of Part 97 that I recited to him. By saying this I am admiting to using a riceburner. But it seldom gets used;) Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK Hi Mike, was this in the late 80s or early 90s? I remember listening to somebody comment back then, that there was a group of hams that was doing FM on 160. BTW, if I remember right, you can only do FM (as NBFM), below 29.0 Mc, if the bandwidth isn't greater than the bandwidth of an AM signal, and the modulation index isn't greater than 1. If I remember right, if your ricebox was like my FT-897D I sold in July, the FM bandwidth was probably, the standard bandwidth for 10m FM above - 15 kc. Did you change the deviation of your rig to comply? Only a very few rigs were made in the late 40s early 50s to the NBFM, 6 kc standard - Collins made an NBFM adapter for their rigs in the early 50s; the Hallicrafters HT-19 comes stock with NBFM capability, and I think the Sonar Company made an NBFM exciter. CQ Magazine's, Radio Classics column talked about 6 kc NBFM in the July or August issue. 73, Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
I have observed that AM operators can be just as culpable as SSB operators when it comes to claiming ownership of certain frequencies. I have heard SSB QSO's start up somewhere within the Ghetto while there was no-one using the frequency, and AM'ers actually break into the QSO and advise the offending stations to QSY because they in the AM Window. To me, that's no different from the 3892 and 3878 groups or the macaroni net claiming ownership of the frequencies they use. Also, I have heard AM operators admit over the air that they knowingly started up only a couple of kc/s away from an ongoing slopbucket QSO. When we conduct ourselves over the air in that manner, we are doing exactly the same thing that we complain about the slopbuckets doing. But by the same token, I refuse to recognise Dead Air Groups. If 3892, 3878, the macaroni, AM Window or any other owned frequency happens to be clear, it becomes fair game for anyone to occupy. If I fire up nearby, then the frequency is in use - by me! If you are queued up in front of the service window inside the bank, and you step away to take care of other personal business, you don't return to your old spot when you finish. You go back to the end of the line and start waiting for your turn all over again. The best way to handle the frequency issue is to open your receiver to a comfortable selectivity, considering band conditions at the time. Then try to find a spot where you hear minimal QRM with the receiver set at that selectivity, and settle in on that frequency. Preferably, you would have some means of adjusting transmitter frequency response so that you could adjust your occupied bandwidth to coincide with your receiver selectivity. No point in transmitting audio out to 8 kc/s (total bandwidth 16 kc/s), when the band is so crowded that no-one is going be listening on a receiver that is set for more than 6 kc/s of selectivity. I have two passive low-pass audio filters in my transmitter audio chain. One gives a gradual cutoff above 5 kc/s, so that everything is gone past 7.5 kc/s. The other has a very sharp cutoff at 3400~. At 3300~ there is less than a dB of attenuation, but at 3500~ not enough signal gets through for the modulation to be detectable on the scope. Those filters are surplus items I picked up at different times, that had accumulated in my junkbox. Similar filters can be found at hamfests and other sources, or even homebuilt. There is quite a bit of data available on active filters that are easy to build. Even a good graphic equaliser could be made to serve. When activity on the band is light, I usually employ the 5 kc/s filter, but when I have to cut the receiver down to 4 or 6 kc/s bandpass to find a clear spot, I try to remember to switch in the 3400~ audio filter. I rarely switch the filter unit out altogether, since my transmitter's response is flat well past 11 kc/s. Another thing I find irritating, which discourages me from operating in the Ghetto, is that AM stations will sometimes fire up within 4 or 5 kc/s of each other. It is physically impossible to operate that close together without some sideband overlap. Better to spread at least 7 kc/s apart whenever possible. When the band is congested, I can usually copy fairly comfortably when when another AM station with a clean signal is only 5 kc/s away, using the 6 kc mechanical filter, but at only 4 kc/s away, I have to use the 4 or even 3.1 filter, and tune slightly to one side. There is no reason to have to do that when there are unused frequencies nearby. When I start up on a clear frequency, and after my QSO is firmly established, a SSB group knowingly starts up only 2 kc/s away and then proceeds to gripe about the AM QRM, I am stubborn enough for that to make me feel more determined than ever to stay put. If they can put up with my splatter, I can tolerate theirs. Besides, the AM signal I am trying to copy has two sidebands - sort of a diversity reception situation. Very rarely does intentional SSB QRM make it impossible for me to copy the other station, even on my half-century-old receiver. But I make it a point never to mention the QRM over the air and give the offending operators the satisfaction of knowing that I am even aware of their existence. Don k4kyv __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
On Nov 22, 2007 11:29 AM, W7CE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said Geoff, and thanks. It's like I told some folks on AM the other day who are not happy with any AM'er that ALSO operates other modes; it's not the mode that makes the man, but the man himself that makes him a man. True, there are a lot of sideband ops that have a vitriol hatred for AM ops, but we all know it works the other way around too. None of this helps a damned thing in the hope this war will ever end. 73 Brian / wa5am __ I operate AM, SSB, CW and plan to start digital operations for 6 2M EME. I enjoy every one of those modes. While it is certainly true that there is a small portion of the SSB crowd that hates AM, it often appears that the majority of AM operators hate SSB even more (usually referred to as slopbucket by AM ops who apparently have not experienced the joy of a modern SSB rig with near-perfect frequency accuracy). Personally, I don't understand why anyone would enjoy NASCAR, golf or football, but apparently I'm in the minority there. I'm not going to waste my time critizing them for an interest that I don't share. Enjoy your favorite modes of operation, but don't bash someone else just because they have have a different and/or possibly broader range of interests. For those who might question my loyalty to the AM mode, check out my website at www.w7ce.com (I own a Johnson KW desk and three broadcast transmitters, and have traveled over 11,000 miles in the last four years on boat anchor roadtrips). Great comments Clay! I can't express how much I agree with your statements. Don/KYV, has also pointed out some very important happenings that I hear on a daily basis. It is a no win situation if we, as AM ops, mimic the few SSB ops that harass us, QRM us, or attempt to own a frequency. It is against the law to knowingly stomp on a QSO in progress, regardless if it is AM or SSB, and regardless of where it happens to be. The problem with too many AM'ers is that they think they MUST stay in the so called AM Window in order to operate AM! Not so! We are letting this problem get the best of us, as if we have this need to protect this 10kcs, or so of the band. Let it the hell go! Move about anywhere phone is allowed, just mind a reasonable bandwidth, be a gentleman and all will be good. Ignore the hecklers Brian / wa5am __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AMers all old-timers?
Geoff/W5OMR wrote: An AM'er owning a ricebox isn't a sin, nor should it tarnish our image. AM is just but -one- mode of our multi-faceted hobby, that let's us build and operate our own equipment, with a maximum output of 1,500w PEP, regardless of mode. Without demeaning any of our fellow amateurs, I often think that the *ability* to understand and appreciate the difference between a homebrewed Hartley and a ricebox is one of the main things that differentiates us, and gives us pride in this niche of the hobby. And that is truly something to be thankful for. 73 and Happy Turkey Day! Bob W9RAN __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: W7CE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams Well said Geoff, and thanks. It's like I told some folks on AM the other day who are not happy with any AM'er that ALSO operates other modes; it's not the mode that makes the man, but the man himself that makes him a man. True, there are a lot of sideband ops that have a vitriol hatred for AM ops, but we all know it works the other way around too. None of this helps a damned thing in the hope this war will ever end. 73 Brian / wa5am __ I operate AM, SSB, CW and plan to start digital operations for 6 2M EME. I enjoy every one of those modes. While it is certainly true that there is a small portion of the SSB crowd that hates AM, it often appears that the majority of AM operators hate SSB even more (usually referred to as slopbucket by AM ops who apparently have not experienced the joy of a modern SSB rig with near-perfect frequency accuracy). Personally, I don't understand why anyone would enjoy NASCAR, golf or football, but apparently I'm in the minority there. I'm not going to waste my time critizing them for an interest that I don't share. Enjoy your favorite modes of operation, but don't bash someone else just because they have have a different and/or possibly broader range of interests. For those who might question my loyalty to the AM mode, check out my website at www.w7ce.com (I own a Johnson KW desk and three broadcast transmitters, and have traveled over 11,000 miles in the last four years on boat anchor roadtrips). 73, Clay W7CE Brian Clay, I'm the same way. I do VHF/UHF weak signal stuff. I've dabbled in digital (not my favorite mode, but it's like pickels are for me - I don't usually want to eat one, but when I want to eat one, I REALLY want to). I also do CW, SSB (although I prefer AM to SSB). I'm not a mode snob. It would be boring if we all only like to eat vanilla ice cream, or operate only 1 radio mode. 73, Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Old-Timer AMers?
When the FCC computerized they did not copy the old paper records to the computer. They put them all in a warehouse. I sent a request to find my original 1957 ticket. They told me it would take 3 months to find it and the wanted to charge me a bunch of money to search the records. They found the ticket I had in 1967 by looking in an old CallBook! LOL! In the mis 70's I worked on a system for the Army and Air Force to copy all the old paper records to microfilm. That's as close as the became to being computerized. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa, Real Radios Glow in the Dark - Original Message - From: Jim Isbell, W5JAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old-Timer AMers? I am curious about something in the record keeping of the FAA. I started out in 1958 or maybe 59 as WA6LGT then changed my call to WA5HLE sometime around 1960-61 when I moved to Texas, at that time it was required that you change your call if you moved. Then a few years ago to W5JAI when I became Extra but the records do not show the WA6LGT portion of my ham career. Maybe it was because I was in the military in Alaska when I got the license??? On Nov 22, 2007 10:24 AM, Donald Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, at 68 and active since 1948. Looking forward to the next 30. AM Rocks. Healthfully yours, Don W4BWS - Original Message - From: D. Chester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Old-Timer AMers? I definitely fit the profile the guy mentioned. 65, next birthday, and 50 years with a license and really enjoy giving guys like him hell. Get the Viking going stock then modify if you need to. Congratulations Steve you have made it to the cellar where I live. Jim/W5JO Same here. I turned 65 my last, and I am now in my 49th year as a licensed amateur. I hope neither one of us will fall into that couple of years category, though. Ashtabula Bill got a chuckle about a decade ago when I told him about a couple of slopbuckets I overheard in conversation and one of them remarked Ashtabula Bill hasn't died yet?. Looks like they are still having a long wait. When I work Bill, we still sometimes get a laugh out of that one. :-) 73, Don k4kyv __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. -- Jim Isbell If you are not living on the edge, well then, you are just taking up too much space. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
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I was using a TS-940S and I don't remember what the settings were. I would like to try it with something along the lines of a Central Electronics rig. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK Hi Mike, was this in the late 80s or early 90s? I remember listening to somebody comment back then, that there was a group of hams that was doing FM on 160. BTW, if I remember right, you can only do FM (as NBFM), below 29.0 Mc, if the bandwidth isn't greater than the bandwidth of an AM signal, and the modulation index isn't greater than 1. If I remember right, if your ricebox was like my FT-897D I sold in July, the FM bandwidth was probably, the standard bandwidth for 10m FM above - 15 kc. Did you change the deviation of your rig to comply? Only a very few rigs were made in the late 40s early 50s to the NBFM, 6 kc standard - Collins made an NBFM adapter for their rigs in the early 50s; the Hallicrafters HT-19 comes stock with NBFM capability, and I think the Sonar Company made an NBFM exciter. CQ Magazine's, Radio Classics column talked about 6 kc NBFM in the July or August issue. 73, Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
You are absolutely correct Don. Sometimes we can be our own worse enemies (especially when our contemporaries like to belch and be beligerent while operating) On a few occasions, where SSBer's were QRMing us, someone would go on sideband and let them know. We've had some positive experiences where the SSBer would tune his rice box on AM and state something to the fact that they haven't been on AM in years. Ultimately, in the end they would sign stating they thoroughly enjoyed the QSO and intend to operate AM more often. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK I have observed that AM operators can be just as culpable as SSB operators when it comes to claiming ownership of certain frequencies. I have heard SSB QSO's start up somewhere within the Ghetto while there was no-one using the frequency, and AM'ers actually break into the QSO and advise the offending stations to QSY because they in the AM Window. To me, that's no different from the 3892 and 3878 groups or the macaroni net claiming ownership of the frequencies they use. Also, I have heard AM operators admit over the air that they knowingly started up only a couple of kc/s away from an ongoing slopbucket QSO. When we conduct ourselves over the air in that manner, we are doing exactly the same thing that we complain about the slopbuckets doing. But by the same token, I refuse to recognise Dead Air Groups. If 3892, 3878, the macaroni, AM Window or any other owned frequency happens to be clear, it becomes fair game for anyone to occupy. If I fire up nearby, then the frequency is in use - by me! If you are queued up in front of the service window inside the bank, and you step away to take care of other personal business, you don't return to your old spot when you finish. You go back to the end of the line and start waiting for your turn all over again. The best way to handle the frequency issue is to open your receiver to a comfortable selectivity, considering band conditions at the time. Then try to find a spot where you hear minimal QRM with the receiver set at that selectivity, and settle in on that frequency. Preferably, you would have some means of adjusting transmitter frequency response so that you could adjust your occupied bandwidth to coincide with your receiver selectivity. No point in transmitting audio out to 8 kc/s (total bandwidth 16 kc/s), when the band is so crowded that no-one is going be listening on a receiver that is set for more than 6 kc/s of selectivity. I have two passive low-pass audio filters in my transmitter audio chain. One gives a gradual cutoff above 5 kc/s, so that everything is gone past 7.5 kc/s. The other has a very sharp cutoff at 3400~. At 3300~ there is less than a dB of attenuation, but at 3500~ not enough signal gets through for the modulation to be detectable on the scope. Those filters are surplus items I picked up at different times, that had accumulated in my junkbox. Similar filters can be found at hamfests and other sources, or even homebuilt. There is quite a bit of data available on active filters that are easy to build. Even a good graphic equaliser could be made to serve. When activity on the band is light, I usually employ the 5 kc/s filter, but when I have to cut the receiver down to 4 or 6 kc/s bandpass to find a clear spot, I try to remember to switch in the 3400~ audio filter. I rarely switch the filter unit out altogether, since my transmitter's response is flat well past 11 kc/s. Another thing I find irritating, which discourages me from operating in the Ghetto, is that AM stations will sometimes fire up within 4 or 5 kc/s of each other. It is physically impossible to operate that close together without some sideband overlap. Better to spread at least 7 kc/s apart whenever possible. When the band is congested, I can usually copy fairly comfortably when when another AM station with a clean signal is only 5 kc/s away, using the 6 kc mechanical filter, but at only 4 kc/s away, I have to use the 4 or even 3.1 filter, and tune slightly to one side. There is no reason to have to do that when there are unused frequencies nearby. When I start up on a clear frequency, and after my QSO is firmly established, a SSB group knowingly starts up only 2 kc/s away and then proceeds to gripe about the AM QRM, I am stubborn enough for that to make me feel more determined than ever to stay put. If they can put up with my splatter, I can tolerate theirs. Besides, the AM signal I am trying to copy has two sidebands - sort of a diversity reception situation. Very rarely does intentional SSB QRM make it impossible for me to copy the other station, even on my half-century-old receiver. But I make it a point never to mention the QRM over the air and give the offending operators the satisfaction of knowing that I am even aware of their existence. Don k4kyv __ __ Our Main
Re: [AMRadio] AMers all old-timers?
Robert Nickels wrote: Geoff/W5OMR wrote: An AM'er owning a ricebox isn't a sin, nor should it tarnish our image. AM is just but -one- mode of our multi-faceted hobby, that let's us build and operate our own equipment, with a maximum output of 1,500w PEP, regardless of mode. Without demeaning any of our fellow amateurs, I often think that the *ability* to understand and appreciate the difference between a homebrewed Hartley and a ricebox is one of the main things that differentiates us, and gives us pride in this niche of the hobby. And that is truly something to be thankful for. Well... without getting into the whole 'dumbing-down of the hobby' discussion (yet again) there is the ability to differentiate between open-wire line and coax, and know that both of them could be called 'feed-lines'. But, as someone pointed out earlier in this discussion, there are those 'hams' who think that if it can't be bought at HRO or AES, then what's the point in having it? Heh - I hear so many of the side-bang guys say man, I ain't got time for all that foolishness when it comes to building something, but, they'll certainly lay down a kBuck or two, for the latest Icom 756ProIII or some such similar piece of equipment, go 'buy' some coax, and have someone else solder the ends on for 'em, and then 'buy' a dipole antenna, hire someone to install it for 'em, and then call themselves a 'ham' and -be- 65 (or better) retired, with nothing to do but talk on the radio all day. (re: the man, I ain't got time... quote) Makes ya skritch yer haid and say.. Hmm... ~~ What am I thankful for? I am thankful for Today. Today (G.Edmonson) Today, I was able to wake up, walk, talk and bitch about things I can not change. Today, I am too blessed to be stressed. Everyday of Freedom, is a good day to Thank a Veteran. Happy Thanksgiving, y'all. Gobble till ya Wobble! :-) ~~ -- Driving your AM Rig without a scope, is like driving your car at night, without headlights. (K4KYV) 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Old-Timer AMers?
Wel, I did get my pilots license.but not till 1963...oh well, FCC, FAA, its all the same, just government gone mad. On Nov 22, 2007 10:49 AM, John Lawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 22 Nov 2007, Jim Isbell, W5JAI wrote: I am curious about something in the record keeping of the FAA. I started out in 1958 or maybe 59 as WA6LGT then changed my call to Wel - looks to me like you studied real hard and then got your pilot's licence Hey - I wonder if I can sit for the Extra test and then upgrade to ATP, or something cool like that... sure be a lot less work/time/money. ;} HIHI! Here's wishing everyone a really nice weekend, long or short, filled with activities or pleasantly quiet (as it is here)... Cheers John KB6SCO __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. -- Jim Isbell If you are not living on the edge, well then, you are just taking up too much space. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Unfortunately, this is too common. I recently heard two of the AM regulars in TX on 3880 switch to lsb while one was diagnosing a phasing audio issue. (Probably a CE rig) Their discussion was technically very interesting. After about 5 minutes, another AM regular started calling cq on AM, on top of the first two, while complaining about AM'ers being on ssb in the window. Another AM regular joined in on the complaint. The two guys working on the audio problem switched back to AM and one of them apologized for their transgression. The other left. The conversation then went to on what they were eating and had done that day. :/ I'm sorry. Trying to impose this AM only in window, SSB only outside the window on others is arrogant and misguided. Like others have said, use common sense and courtesy. Be aware of our transmitted bandwidth in relation to *existing* qso's around us. Use all the band resources we have available or the FCC may someday agree with those who dislike AM, that we don't really need them. I've really been enjoying working folks down south on 3705, N.E. on 3715, 3725 and everywhere else lately. Seems like the activity is picking up again after the rush of the band expansion. Looking forward to hearing more signals there as the band quiets down this winter. --- Thanks to all the men and women who were killed. maimed, lost family members and friends and made untold sacrifices for the Freedom and prosperity we enjoy today. 73' Happy Thanksgiving, Kent/KX5KW On Thursday 22 November 2007 11:29:28 am D. Chester wrote: I have observed that AM operators can be just as culpable as SSB operators when it comes to claiming ownership of certain frequencies. I have heard SSB QSO's start up somewhere within the Ghetto while there was no-one using the frequency, and AM'ers actually break into the QSO and advise the offending stations to QSY because they in the AM Window. To me, that's no different from the 3892 and 3878 groups or the macaroni net claiming ownership of the frequencies they use. Also, I have heard AM operators admit over the air that they knowingly started up only a couple of kc/s away from an ongoing slopbucket QSO. When we conduct ourselves over the air in that manner, we are doing exactly the same thing that we complain about the slopbuckets doing. ... __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
It would be interesting if everyone on this reflector got on the air to talk to each other during one evening. I don't know how many members here, but it would cause some comments and really expose AM. Maybe not to the delight of some other mode prone individuals, but that too would be fun. Not only that but I would bet only about 10% of the membership posts. So we could have quite a crowd. Jim/W5JO __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Old-Timer AMers?
I'm 51 and will be 52 next April. If I get my Dad's Globe Champ 350 and his HQ-170A back on the air, I'll certainly be appearing now and then on AM! 73, Kim Elmore N5OP __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
On Nov 22, 2007 2:44 PM, Geoff/W5OMR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Wilhite wrote: According to Brian there's around an 'average' of 400 to 500 members, at any one given time. That means we'd have to have some 100 different QSO's going on up and down the band, to get everyone in a round table that has a -maximum- of 5 people per QSO. More stations than that is fairly unmanageable. Welll, and that is a LOng Well, That would assume all the 400 to 500 had the same frequency capabilitys. My capability is 6 meters only.I doubt that there are many others on the list. Jim Isbell If you are not living on the edge, well then, you are just taking up too much space. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
RE: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
I would be interested Brad N7RCA formerly KB7FQR It would be interesting if everyone on this reflector got on the air to talk to each other during one evening. I don't know how many members here, but it would cause some comments and really expose AM. Maybe not to the delight of some other mode prone individuals, but that too would be fun. Not only that but I would bet only about 10% of the membership posts. So we could have quite a crowd. Jim/W5JO __ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Amen Brother Clay... Amen!! 73 Mark K3MSB On 11/22/07, W7CE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enjoy your favorite modes of operation, but don't bash someone else just because they have have a different and/or possibly broader range of interests. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
It would be interesting if everyone on this reflector got on the air to talk to each other during one evening. I don't know how many members here, but it would cause some comments and really expose AM. Maybe not to the delight of some other mode prone individuals, but that too would be fun. Not only that but I would bet only about 10% of the membership posts. So we could have quite a crowd. Back in the late 1980s and early to middle 1990s we had some big round-tables, both on 75M and 160M. Stations from several states were present. On more than one evening, we had stations from AK, HI, MO, most of the western states, and even Texas (wherever that is). I like your idea. I might even drag myself out of my EME chair and fire-up the HT4-B and SX28-A. 73, Barrie, W7ALW Jim/W5JO __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
A few years ago I gave out over 150 ARRL VHF Contest Q's on 6M using a Clegg Zeus and an old Tapetone converter into a NC-300. Not one person complained even when I was holding one frequency and running a pileup. I operate SSB, CW, NBFM, AM, and WSJT. I have absolutely no respect for the narrow minded type that cant tolerate something that they either dont care for or are technically unfit to understand or use. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: A.R.S. - WA5AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams On Nov 22, 2007 11:29 AM, W7CE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well said Geoff, and thanks. It's like I told some folks on AM the other day who are not happy with any AM'er that ALSO operates other modes; it's not the mode that makes the man, but the man himself that makes him a man. True, there are a lot of sideband ops that have a vitriol hatred for AM ops, but we all know it works the other way around too. None of this helps a damned thing in the hope this war will ever end. 73 Brian / wa5am __ I operate AM, SSB, CW and plan to start digital operations for 6 2M EME. I enjoy every one of those modes. While it is certainly true that there is a small portion of the SSB crowd that hates AM, it often appears that the majority of AM operators hate SSB even more (usually referred to as slopbucket by AM ops who apparently have not experienced the joy of a modern SSB rig with near-perfect frequency accuracy). Personally, I don't understand why anyone would enjoy NASCAR, golf or football, but apparently I'm in the minority there. I'm not going to waste my time critizing them for an interest that I don't share. Enjoy your favorite modes of operation, but don't bash someone else just because they have have a different and/or possibly broader range of interests. For those who might question my loyalty to the AM mode, check out my website at www.w7ce.com (I own a Johnson KW desk and three broadcast transmitters, and have traveled over 11,000 miles in the last four years on boat anchor roadtrips). Great comments Clay! I can't express how much I agree with your statements. Don/KYV, has also pointed out some very important happenings that I hear on a daily basis. It is a no win situation if we, as AM ops, mimic the few SSB ops that harass us, QRM us, or attempt to own a frequency. It is against the law to knowingly stomp on a QSO in progress, regardless if it is AM or SSB, and regardless of where it happens to be. The problem with too many AM'ers is that they think they MUST stay in the so called AM Window in order to operate AM! Not so! We are letting this problem get the best of us, as if we have this need to protect this 10kcs, or so of the band. Let it the hell go! Move about anywhere phone is allowed, just mind a reasonable bandwidth, be a gentleman and all will be good. Ignore the hecklers Brian / wa5am __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] AMers all old-timers?
My Meissner EX Signal Shifter has the NBFM module and I made a few tests on 160 with it last month. One op was running a CE 10B and another had a Supreme or some other fairly obscure brand. No hassles from anybody but we were all local and low power. All CE rigs had NBFM as a standard feature, Ive owned them all from the 10A to 200V. Back in the 50's NBFM was popular with the commuter mobile crowd on LINY. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: Ellen Rugowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMers all old-timers? - Original Message - From: Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AMers all old-timers? Me and KN0R, (now the fine call, KK4AM) got on 160M and ran NBFM at about 1500watts. Naturally the slopbucketeers threw a fit. They tried to convince us that FM was illegal down there. I kindly told them to check out what the rules say and I just happened to have a copy of Part 97 that I recited to him. By saying this I am admiting to using a riceburner. But it seldom gets used;) Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK Hi Mike, was this in the late 80s or early 90s? I remember listening to somebody comment back then, that there was a group of hams that was doing FM on 160. BTW, if I remember right, you can only do FM (as NBFM), below 29.0 Mc, if the bandwidth isn't greater than the bandwidth of an AM signal, and the modulation index isn't greater than 1. If I remember right, if your ricebox was like my FT-897D I sold in July, the FM bandwidth was probably, the standard bandwidth for 10m FM above - 15 kc. Did you change the deviation of your rig to comply? Only a very few rigs were made in the late 40s early 50s to the NBFM, 6 kc standard - Collins made an NBFM adapter for their rigs in the early 50s; the Hallicrafters HT-19 comes stock with NBFM capability, and I think the Sonar Company made an NBFM exciter. CQ Magazine's, Radio Classics column talked about 6 kc NBFM in the July or August issue. 73, Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: Ellen Rugowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams - Original Message - From: Jim Isbell, W5JAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams On Nov 22, 2007 2:44 PM, Geoff/W5OMR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Wilhite wrote: According to Brian there's around an 'average' of 400 to 500 members, at any one given time. That means we'd have to have some 100 different QSO's going on up and down the band, to get everyone in a round table that has a -maximum- of 5 people per QSO. More stations than that is fairly unmanageable. Welll, and that is a LOng Well, That would assume all the 400 to 500 had the same frequency capabilitys. My capability is 6 meters only.I doubt that there are many others on the list. Jim Isbell Oh I don't know Jim, I do 6m AM (I have a Yaesu FT-620B for the job), as does Mark, K3MSB and a few others. 73, Ellen - AF9J Evening AM activity is pretty decent in some areas on 50.4. Often several Q's going on +/-. I run a Clegg Zeus at 120W out and Interceptor rcvr to a HB 8el at 60'. I have a good 100-150 mile range under dead band condx; much more to a similiary equipped station. Carl KM1H __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: Jim Isbell, W5JAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams On Nov 22, 2007 2:44 PM, Geoff/W5OMR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Wilhite wrote: According to Brian there's around an 'average' of 400 to 500 members, at any one given time. That means we'd have to have some 100 different QSO's going on up and down the band, to get everyone in a round table that has a -maximum- of 5 people per QSO. More stations than that is fairly unmanageable. Welll, and that is a LOng Well, That would assume all the 400 to 500 had the same frequency capabilitys. My capability is 6 meters only.I doubt that there are many others on the list. Jim Isbell Oh I don't know Jim, I do 6m AM (I have a Yaesu FT-620B for the job), as does Mark, K3MSB and a few others. 73, Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] mod Gates BC1G to 75 meters
Does anyone know how to modify a Gates BC1G to 75 meters? Need to know the values of the caps in the plate circuit. In addition, what taps to use on the IPA coil, and any changes for the 12by7 osc unit. Brad N7RCA __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
Evening AM activity is pretty decent in some areas on 50.4. Often several Q's going on +/-. I run a Clegg Zeus at 120W out and Interceptor rcvr to a HB 8el at 60'. I have a good 100-150 mile range under dead band condx; much more to a similiary equipped station. Carl KM1H Wish I could say the same here. I've had a Gonset Gooney Bird sitting on 50.4 MHz for several years now, and I've heard NADA. The radio's a paperweight with a yellow Civil Defense paint job! ;o) Mr. T., W9LBB __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Please help me identify a really nice old keyer
John, from looking at the panel, knobs, interior Id say it is a lunchtime project by a talented engineer/tech with access to the metal/model shop. Its nice to find choice HB items that usually wind up in the trash. In your travels, have you ever run across a National NBS-1? Its a factory modified NC-183 with a 3rd IF stage and a switchable IF bandwidth. I need a schematic. I enjoy your QST column. Carl KM1H - Original Message - From: John Dilks K2TQN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 8:17 PM Subject: [AMRadio] Please help me identify a really nice old keyer Please help me identify a really nice old keyer (from the 1960s I'll guess.) The photos are here: http://www.eht.com/oldradio/k2tqn/keyer/index.htm Thanks, 73, John Dilks, K2TQN __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] Please help me identify a really nice old keyer
Please help me identify a really nice old keyer (from the 1960s I'll guess.) The photos are here: http://www.eht.com/oldradio/k2tqn/keyer/index.htm Thanks, 73, John Dilks, K2TQN __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: Ellen Rugowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams - Original Message - Tropo isnt necessary to work 70 miles with low power; you are still in the extended groundwave region. I can work 5-10 watt AM stations any evening at that range as long as they have an antenna in the clear. A simple 3 el yagi on the roof will do it, dirt simple to build. The hardest part with those old radios is marginal receivers. Give them a few new tubes and an alignment. Also be sure that you are actually on 50.4 or whatever the locals have designated. Its also easy to build/buy a RF actuated SS preamp which will really wake up those radios. Carl KM1H True. On 2m, I used to regularly work out 130miles or so with 25W and a 3 el HB quad. But, living in an apartment, I aint gots the space for a 3-el yagi. 73, Ellen P.S. - I wish I could do a 6m V-beam again What do you plan to use with the Viking II? Several wire antennas and verticals will work quite well with a tuner. A 80M dipole will work very well with a zillion lobes and equal a small yagi in some directions; requires a tuner. Carl __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: jeremy-ca [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams What do you plan to use with the Viking II? Several wire antennas and verticals will work quite well with a tuner. A 80M dipole will work very well with a zillion lobes and equal a small yagi in some directions; requires a tuner. Carl Basically the same thing I used during this last 6m E-season, my HF antenna (which is basically a 125 ft random wire), with a tuner. It worked weel when Sporadic E was happening. Without it, about 35 miles top for range (too omnidirectional on 6m). 73, Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: Thomas Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams Wish I could say the same here. I've had a Gonset Gooney Bird sitting on 50.4 MHz for several years now, and I've heard NADA. The radio's a paperweight with a yellow Civil Defense paint job! ;o) Mr. T., W9LBB I know what you mean Tom. If we were closer, I'd help you give it a workout. BUt I see from QRZ, you're in Sun Prairie. I'm in Greenfield, which means we're 70 plus miles apart. Neither of us is running power (which you need to do troposcatter on 6). I won't lie, except for a few locals here in the Milwaukee area, who get on 6, to rag chew on SSB, when 6 is dead around here, it's about as boring as watching paint dry. Still, 6m AM (like 10m AM) is a blast when the band is open. And you don't need much power then. Oh yeah, and unlike down on 50.125, you won't just get a grid square on 50.400. Grid squares are cool. But sometimes, I want to do more than say Hi and good-bye. 73, Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
I personaly dont want to spend loads of time tuning all over many bands to find an AM qso. I LIKE just tuning around 3870 to 3890 maybe and 7285 on up, if nothings on, i can call cq or do something else, cant say I want to tune the entire 80 and 40 meter bands every time I turn the radios on. Brett N2DTS - Original Message - From: Ellen Rugowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams - Original Message - From: Geoff/W5OMR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 9:09 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams 3.720 has been a good spot for some of the NorthEasterners... below 3700 is a great expanse, void of signals and I don't know of an AM operating ham that doesn't have the wherewithal to upgrade to Extra class. When the band-warming party occurred (nearly a year ago), there were signals of all kinds below 3700kc and there was a great QSO that happened on 3650kc. Don's complaint (as valid as it is) is why isn't anyone else down there, taking advantage of the 'wide open spaces'? 73 = Best Regards, -Geoff/W5OMR As some of you know, I now have a Viking II. I also have the VFO to use with it. I was already heading in the direction mentioned above myself. I'm hoping to do, like I did this last summer, when 10 6 were open - announce what freq. I will be on via this reflector and/or the AMfone group (in this case, below 3700), and start calling CQ. Like Don says, we have to get out of the ghetto. I get the feeling that all too often AMers only want to hang out on the traditional 75 40m freqs. I'd love to do 15m AM. There's tons of open space above 21.4 MHz, and 15 is open during the day, more often than you think. There's also a lot of open space above 1900 kc, and in my case, 160 is often quieter than 75 is. 73 I don't mean anything nasty - just some food for thought Ellen - AF9J __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] GATES BC1G ON E BAY
Hay have ya all seen the Gates on the bay??? It is down the road apeace From San Antonio. No researve auction and just taken off the air. Looks really nice EBAY Item # 25014447 Hope one of our Texas group gets this puppy on the air.. Very Best 73's Bob W1PE The Voice of Mesquite www.w1pe.com Money is only temporary, but radios are forever - Jim Little aka the old dog/K5BAI __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] AM and other modes
Interesting discussion! I've operated AM for 20 yrs or so, but having done so, never felt any obligation to ONLY operate AM. For the last 5 years I've been doing a LOT of CW work, and really enjoying it. Trying to get my code speed up has really been a fun challenge. I've also dabbled in QRP, QRO, contesting, vintage SSB, etc etc but really enjoy restoring and operating AM. I think one of the things that makes Ham Radio such a durable hobby, is the ability to swap in and out of the various facets/modes/activities all of it still being ham radio. I'll probably always enjoy fixing up Yet Another Old Radio, but I certainly dont feel beholden to AM only operations. 73 John K5MO __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] Re: For Sale: DX-60B
Had a buyer lined up but he backed out, price reduced to $50 plus shipping to hopefully entice a quicker sale. - JT On Nov 21, 2007 5:07 PM, JT Croteau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Selling a DX-60B - this is was obtained from the collection of W1AC as part of a trade deal. I haven't tried using the rig, but here is what I know: The Good: Looks complete, sans some wrong knobs The Bad: One electrolytic appears to be leaky, see the pics. The cap is wet. One crystal socket slightly broken, a crystal still fits though. The Ugly: Dirty! Some wrong knobs, see the pics Front panel is bent slightly, lower right Hi-Resolution pics here: http://n1ese.qrpradio.com/DX-60B/ I think it has potential for restoration. I will also include a 7290 crystal and a 6M fundamental crystal. I'd like $60 plus shipping. Email direct if interested, PayPal preferred but will also accept a money order. -- JT Croteau, N1ESE - Manchester, NH (FN42gx) __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
[AMRadio] Another Get on the Air Night
We have the anniversary date of the expansion coming up on December 16. Why not take to the air down there in the new territory again that evening as was done last year. I'll be there if my local utility gets rid of the noise they finally located last week. Mike Duke, K5XU American Council of Blind Radio Amateurs __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - Tropo isnt necessary to work 70 miles with low power; you are still in the extended groundwave region. I can work 5-10 watt AM stations any evening at that range as long as they have an antenna in the clear. A simple 3 el yagi on the roof will do it, dirt simple to build. The hardest part with those old radios is marginal receivers. Give them a few new tubes and an alignment. Also be sure that you are actually on 50.4 or whatever the locals have designated. Its also easy to build/buy a RF actuated SS preamp which will really wake up those radios. Carl KM1H True. On 2m, I used to regularly work out 130miles or so with 25W and a 3 el HB quad. But, living in an apartment, I aint gots the space for a 3-el yagi. 73, Ellen P.S. - I wish I could do a 6m V-beam again __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams
- Original Message - From: Ellen Rugowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams - Original Message - From: Thomas Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] Anti-AM Opinionated Hams Wish I could say the same here. I've had a Gonset Gooney Bird sitting on 50.4 MHz for several years now, and I've heard NADA. The radio's a paperweight with a yellow Civil Defense paint job! ;o) Mr. T., W9LBB I know what you mean Tom. If we were closer, I'd help you give it a workout. BUt I see from QRZ, you're in Sun Prairie. I'm in Greenfield, which means we're 70 plus miles apart. Neither of us is running power (which you need to do troposcatter on 6). I won't lie, except for a few locals here in the Milwaukee area, who get on 6, to rag chew on SSB, when 6 is dead around here, it's about as boring as watching paint dry. Still, 6m AM (like 10m AM) is a blast when the band is open. And you don't need much power then. Oh yeah, and unlike down on 50.125, you won't just get a grid square on 50.400. Grid squares are cool. But sometimes, I want to do more than say Hi and good-bye. 73, Ellen - AF9J Tropo isnt necessary to work 70 miles with low power; you are still in the extended groundwave region. I can work 5-10 watt AM stations any evening at that range as long as they have an antenna in the clear. A simple 3 el yagi on the roof will do it, dirt simple to build. The hardest part with those old radios is marginal receivers. Give them a few new tubes and an alignment. Also be sure that you are actually on 50.4 or whatever the locals have designated. Its also easy to build/buy a RF actuated SS preamp which will really wake up those radios. Carl KM1H _ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body.
