Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined
- Original Message - Hey Phil, Why do you want to continue this part of the discussion after I politely made a retraction earlier this week to the statement above that you quoted me on? Mainly because I was going through some e-mails that had piled up over several days and I did not yet see the retraction when I sent my reply. Don't be so thin-skinned. Not all of us have the time to go through our e-mail every day, especially in this case, where I often have to delete 200 or more spam messages before getting to the ones that I want to read. Phil K2PG
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- Original Message - From: Brian Sherrod What does any of this K1MAN/W1AW stuff have to do with AM discussion? Let's get back on track here folks. I've already had two people leave the list today. Plenty, if you ever had an AM QSO disrupted by the broadcasts of either of these stations. Although the K1MAN matter may soon be a moot point, the W1AW broadcasts are in the busiest parts of our phone bands. The League insists on running their SSB broadcasts on 7290 kHz, which is a very popular AM frequency on the East Coast and in the Midwest. K1MAN also tied up frequencies in the busiest parts of the 20 and 75 meter bands. As for people leaving...the last time I checked, this is still a free country. Let them leave! And I still make my point: Broadcasting belongs in the broadcast bands (Part 73), NOT in the amateur bands (Part 97). Phil K2PG
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On Saturday 08 April 2006 10:50 am, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Brian Sherrod What does any of this K1MAN/W1AW stuff have to do with AM discussion? Let's get back on track here folks. I've already had two people leave the list today. Plenty, if you ever had an AM QSO disrupted by the broadcasts of either of these stations. Although the K1MAN matter may soon be a moot point, the W1AW broadcasts are in the busiest parts of our phone bands. The League insists on running their SSB broadcasts on 7290 kHz, which is a very popular AM frequency on the East Coast and in the Midwest. K1MAN also tied up frequencies in the busiest parts of the 20 and 75 meter bands. Hey Phil, Why do you want to continue this part of the discussion after I politely made a retraction earlier this week to the statement above that you quoted me on? I explained why I did what I did, and realized I was wrong and had the balls to admit it to the group.
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What does any of this K1MAN/W1AW stuff have to do with AM discussion? Let's get back on track here folks. I've already had two people leave the list today. K1MAN was a major source of QRM on 75 meter AM in the northeast with his seemingly endless broadcasts, so to me the subject has quite a lot to do with AM discussion. I think it's kind of silly to leave the list just because you don't like one of the topics. There are so many other interesting, informative and thought-provoking postings on this list that you would miss out on. I just ignore (or delete) the ones that don't really interest me. 73, Don W2DAS
RE: [AMRadio] k1man fined
From: Mike Sanders K0AZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] This thread is painful at best. In the late 50s the then sales manager for Walter Ashe Radio in St. Louis, MO ran A2 code practice on 10 meters. From letter recognition to maybe 10 WPM. This was done on a regular schedule and was one way broadcasting. It helped a lot of young hams including me get their first ticket. The ARRL information broadcasts including CW code practice have always been for the benefit of hams. There has never been a commercial or political component involved in any of their broadcasts that I know of. It is possible with the changing times these broadcasts are not as important as they once were with email bulletins and such. However still to this day not everyone has a computer and some still get information from these broadcasts. Another active broadcaster is WA0RCR near St. Louis. He transmits weekly bulletins on 1860 kHz, calling it the Gateway 160 m. Newsletter. He transmits for hours, beginning in early afternoon, until past midnight. His transmissions originate from RAIN, Newsline, ARRL and other sources, many of which are also broadcast over local repeaters. The content is always ham radio related, and there are never any solicitations for money. Vern has been making these broadcasts since about 1980, even before LORAN was taken off 160. I have heard very few complaints about his operation, which is always conducted in a professional manner, and I have never heard any stories obout the FCC getting on his case. I think attitude has a lot to do with it. Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. Try it - you'll like it. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/
Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined
Let's face the facts about this K1MAN issue... He never provided code practice to the best of my knowledge ever, only endless voice material AND... It appears he wasn't acting as a control operator at the control point AND it appears he wasn't meeting the proper ID at the proper times... and he refused to provide material requested by the Commission about the control issue ... (not to mention the apparent interfering with on-going QSO's... including a Boy Scout special events station... and others...) These are obvious violations of the rules... I am sure if I had done any of this I would take the fine and pay the thing or just go away... and I fully would expect to get fined if I ever did violate the above... I also fully understand that scofflaws think the rules are for everyone else and NOT them... In this case K1MAN earned the fine... 73 Vince ka1iic On Monday 03 April 2006 11:40 am, Mike Sanders K0AZ wrote: big snip It amazes me at how much serious talent on this page is so very narrow minded and self centered. 73 and yes I will be going now. K0AZ Mike Sanders 18169 Highway 174 MT Vernon, Missouri 65712-9171 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I don't disagree with you Vince. Or with all that has been said about K1MAN on this list. I think we all miss the bigger issue: K1MAN *WANTS* to get caught. He wants to be the center of attention and like many children he will do whatever he feels is necessary to get that attention. He was going to push issues until the FCC responded. I can, and do respect amateurs who disagree with me on issues related to radio, etc. I have no respect for K1MAN. His childish and selfish activitites makes us all look bad and should be shutdown permanently ASAP. 73, Mark W1EOF -Original Message- From: vince werber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:55 AM To: Discussion of AM Radio Subject: Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined Let's face the facts about this K1MAN issue... SNIP In this case K1MAN earned the fine... 73 Vince ka1iic -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 4/3/06
Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined
Pete what is the FCC rule regarding Bulletins being limited to ten minutes on amateur radio, please? No Mike, I would not expect you to visit the ARRL site for any information. One way information bulletins are not illegal on the Amateur Bands In a 24 hour period, the W1AW bulletin transmissions generally last 10 to 15 minutes or less. There are 3 Code Bulletins, 2 RTTY Bulletins, and 1 Phone Bulletin on the major HF bands. The rest of the W1AW transmissions are generally designated for Code Practice. This is in contrast to the K1MAN transmissions, which generally lasted 90 minutes or more, depending upon the accuracy of his Radio Shack timer. W1AW and K1MAN are not in the same league of information bulletin disseminators. Pete, wa2cwa On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:29:51 -0500 Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No kidding Pete?! Is it my responsibility to check the ARRgghhL web site for their transmissions? Some may visit it more than others but I do not (nor do I care). In reference to the broadcasting, this is what I said: I don't have a rule book in front of me but I thought that one-way transmissions, in and of their self was prohibited by the FCC until this issue came up. Clue: read the last part of my statement carefully. Personally, I think that the ARRgghhL should cease and desist with their one-way transmissions since they never check the frequency to see if it is in use. I hold them in the same low esteem as K1(wo)MAN. To me that is intentional QRM and is subject to the same set of rules that you cite. Their best bet would be to get permission or licensing to broadcast just outside of the ham bands and not cause any problems to anyone. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK - Original Message - From: Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined Slk said, As a non-member of the ARRgghhL, I do not get their reports or broadcasting (since it is a single transmission to the masses) schedule. Any of this information is available off the ARRL Web Site whether you're a member or not. The complete W1AW bulletin schedule and frequencies are available off the their web site. One way information bulletins are not illegal on the Amateur Bands. See 97.111 (b)(6) 97.111 Authorized transmissions. (b) In addition to one-way transmissions specifically authorized elsewhere in this Part, an amateur station may transmit the following types of one-way communications: (1) Brief transmissions necessary to make adjustments to the station; (2) Brief transmissions necessary to establishing two-way communications with other stations; (3) Telecommand; (4) Transmissions necessary to providing emergency communications; (5) Transmissions necessary to assisting persons learning, or improving proficiency in, the international Morse code; (6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins; (7) Transmissions of telemetry. AND See 97.113 (b) 97.113 Prohibited transmissions. (a) No amateur station shall transmit: (1) Communications specifically prohibited elsewhere in this Part; (2) Communications for hire or for material compensation, direct or indirect, paid or promised, except as otherwise provided in these rules; (3) Communications in which the station licensee or control operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf of an employer. Amateur operators may, however, notify other amateur operators of the availability for sale or trade of apparatus normally used in an amateur station, provided that such activity is not conducted on a regular basis; (4) Music using a phone emission except as specifically provided elsewhere in this Section; communications intended to facilitate a criminal act; messages in codes or ciphers intended to obscure the meaning thereof, except as otherwise provided herein; obscene or indecent words or language; or false or deceptive messages, signals or identification; (5) Communications, on a regular basis, which could reasonably be furnished alternatively through other radio services. (b) An amateur station shall not engage in any form of broadcasting, nor may an amateur station transmit one-way communications except as specifically provided in these rules; nor shall an amateur station engage in any activity related to program production or news gathering for broadcasting purposes, except that communications directly related to the immediate safety of human life or the protection of property may be provided by amateur stations to broadcasters for dissemination to the public where no other means of communication is reasonably available before or at the time
Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined
Tell that to the fellow op who just got his QSO squashed by W1AM firing up on top of him! Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK - Original Message - From: Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined Never said there was a FCC rule limiting Bulletin time. I timed them on 7290 on 4 separate occasions over the last year. If we all had to just worry about only W1AW alleged QRM, we should be very happy. They are small fish in the overall amateur band QRM problems. Pete, wa2cwa Paul Courson/wa3vjb
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I don't know of any time limit but there are clear rules regarding station ID's and having control operators on site during a broadcast... What really ended it for me was when K1MAN started sending out those so called 'felony complaint affidavites'... K1MAN has been told by a number of Federal department NOT to do that... He was even warned by Federal Attorneys outside of the Commission to stop it but he insisted on it so... That is a character issue sure but it sure makes ham radio look foolish in the eyes of the world... I will be happy to see this resolved, over and done with. It's been going on for 15 + years and just because of the amount of time involved it doesn't make it right. As Amateurs we are suppose to 'self police' to a degree... In this case anyone that dared question these actions generally end up in court... He would sue people for disagreeing with him... He generally lost but it was a real effective intimidation tool for K1MAN... Rules are rules and it's about time the FCC did show that they have enough interest in Amateur radio to keep it from becoming another CB FUBAR... And that was the way it was going before the recent crackdown... I will never defend a person that acts contrary to any hobby. service etc that I enjoy... and as for emergency communications are concerned... I have seen no evidence that K1MAN has worked in any emergency situation for over 10 years... But then he did say he was 'the most experienced in emergency communications'... Proving the is no end to a pompus windbag... If that offends folks well... what can I say... I sure won't say I'm sorry... at least not sorry for enforcement but I am very sorry it took so long But if anyone doesn't agree... it's a free country... K1MAN didn't allow disagreement tho... go figure... 73 vince On Tuesday 04 April 2006 03:29 pm, Brian Carling wrote: Pete what is the FCC rule regarding Bulletins being limited to ten minutes on amateur radio, please? No Mike, I would not expect you to visit the ARRL site for any information. One way information bulletins are not illegal on the Amateur Bands In a 24 hour period, the W1AW bulletin transmissions generally last 10 to 15 minutes or less. There are 3 Code Bulletins, 2 RTTY Bulletins, and 1 Phone Bulletin on the major HF bands. The rest of the W1AW transmissions are generally designated for Code Practice. This is in contrast to the K1MAN transmissions, which generally lasted 90 minutes or more, depending upon the accuracy of his Radio Shack timer. W1AW and K1MAN are not in the same league of information bulletin disseminators. Pete, wa2cwa On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:29:51 -0500 Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No kidding Pete?! Is it my responsibility to check the ARRgghhL web site for their transmissions? Some may visit it more than others but I do not (nor do I care). In reference to the broadcasting, this is what I said: I don't have a rule book in front of me but I thought that one-way transmissions, in and of their self was prohibited by the FCC until this issue came up. Clue: read the last part of my statement carefully. Personally, I think that the ARRgghhL should cease and desist with their one-way transmissions since they never check the frequency to see if it is in use. I hold them in the same low esteem as K1(wo)MAN. To me that is intentional QRM and is subject to the same set of rules that you cite. Their best bet would be to get permission or licensing to broadcast just outside of the ham bands and not cause any problems to anyone. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK - Original Message - From: Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined Slk said, As a non-member of the ARRgghhL, I do not get their reports or broadcasting (since it is a single transmission to the masses) schedule. Any of this information is available off the ARRL Web Site whether you're a member or not. The complete W1AW bulletin schedule and frequencies are available off the their web site. One way information bulletins are not illegal on the Amateur Bands. See 97.111 (b)(6) 97.111 Authorized transmissions. (b) In addition to one-way transmissions specifically authorized elsewhere in this Part, an amateur station may transmit the following types of one-way communications: (1) Brief transmissions necessary to make adjustments to the station; (2) Brief transmissions necessary to establishing two-way communications with other stations; (3) Telecommand; (4) Transmissions necessary to providing emergency communications; (5) Transmissions necessary to assisting persons learning, or improving proficiency in, the international Morse code
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Maybe you should drop Art, W1AM, a note, and ask him why it happened. Pete, cwa On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 16:52:46 -0400 Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tell that to the fellow op who just got his QSO squashed by W1AM firing up on top of him! Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK - Original Message - From: Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined Never said there was a FCC rule limiting Bulletin time. I timed them on 7290 on 4 separate occasions over the last year. If we all had to just worry about only W1AW alleged QRM, we should be very happy. They are small fish in the overall amateur band QRM problems. Pete, wa2cwa
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I never said that you said that Pete. Please read again. I just asked you, since you implied it in your statement: In a 24 hour period, the W1AW bulletin transmissions generally last 10 to 15 minutes or less. as if that somehow made it legal and made K1MAN illegal. Faulty logic if one is trying to say or imply that! This is in contrast to the K1MAN transmissions, which generally lasted 90 minutes or more, If it is not an issue according to the rules, then why even bother bringing it up? Our opinions about the length of someone's radio transmission are no more important than our opinions of the length of anything else. I am not saying I support everything K1MAN has done, but I certainly don't give blanket support to the fanatics who persecute him either. Never said there was a FCC rule limiting Bulletin time. I timed them on 7290 on 4 separate occasions over the last year. If we all had to just worry about only W1AW alleged QRM, we should be very happy. They are small fish in the overall amateur band QRM problems. Pete, wa2cwa On Tue, 04 Apr 2006 15:29:24 -0400 Brian Carling [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pete what is the FCC rule regarding Bulletins being limited to ten minutes on amateur radio, please? No Mike, I would not expect you to visit the ARRL site for any information. One way information bulletins are not illegal on the Amateur Bands In a 24 hour period, the W1AW bulletin transmissions generally last 10 to 15 minutes or less. There are 3 Code Bulletins, 2 RTTY Bulletins, and 1 Phone Bulletin on the major HF bands. The rest of the W1AW transmissions are generally designated for Code Practice. This is in contrast to the K1MAN transmissions, which generally lasted 90 minutes or more, depending upon the accuracy of his Radio Shack timer. W1AW and K1MAN are not in the same league of information bulletin disseminators. Pete, wa2cwa On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:29:51 -0500 Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No kidding Pete?! Is it my responsibility to check the ARRgghhL web site for their transmissions? Some may visit it more than others but I do not (nor do I care). In reference to the broadcasting, this is what I said: I don't have a rule book in front of me but I thought that one-way transmissions, in and of their self was prohibited by the FCC until this issue came up. Clue: read the last part of my statement carefully. Personally, I think that the ARRgghhL should cease and desist with their one-way transmissions since they never check the frequency to see if it is in use. I hold them in the same low esteem as K1(wo)MAN. To me that is intentional QRM and is subject to the same set of rules that you cite. Their best bet would be to get permission or licensing to broadcast just outside of the ham bands and not cause any problems to anyone. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK - Original Message - From: Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined Slk said, As a non-member of the ARRgghhL, I do not get their reports or broadcasting (since it is a single transmission to the masses) schedule. Any of this information is available off the ARRL Web Site whether you're a member or not. The complete W1AW bulletin schedule and frequencies are available off the their web site. One way information bulletins are not illegal on the Amateur Bands. See 97.111 (b)(6) 97.111 Authorized transmissions. (b) In addition to one-way transmissions specifically authorized elsewhere in this Part, an amateur station may transmit the following types of one-way communications: (1) Brief transmissions necessary to make adjustments to the station; (2) Brief transmissions necessary to establishing two-way communications with other stations; (3) Telecommand; (4) Transmissions necessary to providing emergency communications; (5) Transmissions necessary to assisting persons learning, or improving proficiency in, the international Morse code; (6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins; (7) Transmissions of telemetry. AND See 97.113 (b) 97.113 Prohibited transmissions. (a) No amateur station shall transmit: (1) Communications specifically prohibited elsewhere in this Part; (2) Communications for hire or for material compensation, direct or indirect, paid or promised, except as otherwise provided in these rules; (3) Communications in which the station licensee or control operator has a pecuniary interest
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On Tuesday 04 April 2006 4:18 pm, Peter Markavage wrote: Maybe you should drop Art, W1AM, a note, and ask him why it happened. Pete, cwa On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 16:52:46 -0400 Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tell that to the fellow op who just got his QSO squashed by W1AM firing up What does any of this K1MAN/W1AW stuff have to do with AM discussion? Let's get back on track here folks. I've already had two people leave the list today.
Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined
I meant W1AW. - Original Message - From: Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined Maybe you should drop Art, W1AM, a note, and ask him why it happened. Pete, cwa On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 16:52:46 -0400 Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tell that to the fellow op who just got his QSO squashed by W1AM firing up on top of him! Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK - Original Message - From: Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined Never said there was a FCC rule limiting Bulletin time. I timed them on 7290 on 4 separate occasions over the last year. If we all had to just worry about only W1AW alleged QRM, we should be very happy. They are small fish in the overall amateur band QRM problems. Pete, wa2cwa __ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb
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This thread is painful at best. In the late 50s the then sales manager for Walter Ashe Radio in St. Louis, MO ran A2 code practice on 10 meters. From letter recognition to maybe 10 WPM. This was done on a regular schedule and was one way broadcasting. It helped a lot of young hams including me get their first ticket. The ARRL information broadcasts including CW code practice have always been for the benefit of hams. There has never been a commercial or political component involved in any of their broadcasts that I know of. It is possible with the changing times these broadcasts are not as important as they once were with email bulletins and such. However still to this day not everyone has a computer and some still get information from these broadcasts. Just because it does not work for you does not mean it does not work for others. It amazes me at how much serious talent on this page is so very narrow minded and self centered. 73 and yes I will be going now. K0AZ Mike Sanders 18169 Highway 174 MT Vernon, Missouri 65712-9171 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phil Galasso Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 9:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of AM Radio Subject: Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined - Original Message - Subject: Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined Also I would think ARRL in Newington should be VERY careful before they fire up their W1AW Broadcasts now. This precedent could easily be applied to them, if someone wanted to entrap them. The difference between the W1AW broadcasts and the K1MAN broadcasts is that W1AW does not openly promote any merchandise sold by the League. For that reason, W1AW was not the subject of any FCC enforcement action. W1AW is not doing anything illegal under the current rules. Several years ago, a Petition for Rulemaking was filed with the FCC. This petition would have eliminated ALL broadcasting activity on the congested HF phone bands. The FCC never put it up for public comment. Broadcasting, whether by K1MAN, W1AW, or anyone else, does not belong on the amateur bands. If someone wants to play broadcaster, let him or her buy time on the numerous commercial shortwave stations that operate in this country. The rates on most of them are quite reasonable and those stations run a minimum of 50 kW transmitter power (not including antenna gain). Phil G. K2PG __ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 3/31/06 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 3/31/06
Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined
No Mike, I would not expect you to visit the ARRL site for any information. One way information bulletins are not illegal on the Amateur Bands In a 24 hour period, the W1AW bulletin transmissions generally last 10 to 15 minutes or less. There are 3 Code Bulletins, 2 RTTY Bulletins, and 1 Phone Bulletin on the major HF bands. The rest of the W1AW transmissions are generally designated for Code Practice. This is in contrast to the K1MAN transmissions, which generally lasted 90 minutes or more, depending upon the accuracy of his Radio Shack timer. W1AW and K1MAN are not in the same league of information bulletin disseminators. Pete, wa2cwa On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 23:29:51 -0500 Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No kidding Pete?! Is it my responsibility to check the ARRgghhL web site for their transmissions? Some may visit it more than others but I do not (nor do I care). In reference to the broadcasting, this is what I said: I don't have a rule book in front of me but I thought that one-way transmissions, in and of their self was prohibited by the FCC until this issue came up. Clue: read the last part of my statement carefully. Personally, I think that the ARRgghhL should cease and desist with their one-way transmissions since they never check the frequency to see if it is in use. I hold them in the same low esteem as K1(wo)MAN. To me that is intentional QRM and is subject to the same set of rules that you cite. Their best bet would be to get permission or licensing to broadcast just outside of the ham bands and not cause any problems to anyone. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK - Original Message - From: Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined Slk said, As a non-member of the ARRgghhL, I do not get their reports or broadcasting (since it is a single transmission to the masses) schedule. Any of this information is available off the ARRL Web Site whether you're a member or not. The complete W1AW bulletin schedule and frequencies are available off the their web site. One way information bulletins are not illegal on the Amateur Bands. See 97.111 (b)(6) 97.111 Authorized transmissions. (b) In addition to one-way transmissions specifically authorized elsewhere in this Part, an amateur station may transmit the following types of one-way communications: (1) Brief transmissions necessary to make adjustments to the station; (2) Brief transmissions necessary to establishing two-way communications with other stations; (3) Telecommand; (4) Transmissions necessary to providing emergency communications; (5) Transmissions necessary to assisting persons learning, or improving proficiency in, the international Morse code; (6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins; (7) Transmissions of telemetry. AND See 97.113 (b) 97.113 Prohibited transmissions. (a) No amateur station shall transmit: (1) Communications specifically prohibited elsewhere in this Part; (2) Communications for hire or for material compensation, direct or indirect, paid or promised, except as otherwise provided in these rules; (3) Communications in which the station licensee or control operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf of an employer. Amateur operators may, however, notify other amateur operators of the availability for sale or trade of apparatus normally used in an amateur station, provided that such activity is not conducted on a regular basis; (4) Music using a phone emission except as specifically provided elsewhere in this Section; communications intended to facilitate a criminal act; messages in codes or ciphers intended to obscure the meaning thereof, except as otherwise provided herein; obscene or indecent words or language; or false or deceptive messages, signals or identification; (5) Communications, on a regular basis, which could reasonably be furnished alternatively through other radio services. (b) An amateur station shall not engage in any form of broadcasting, nor may an amateur station transmit one-way communications except as specifically provided in these rules; nor shall an amateur station engage in any activity related to program production or news gathering for broadcasting purposes, except that communications directly related to the immediate safety of human life or the protection of property may be provided by amateur stations to broadcasters for dissemination to the public where no other means of communication is reasonably available before or at the time of the event. Pete, wa2cwa
Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined
- Original Message - Subject: Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined Also I would think ARRL in Newington should be VERY careful before they fire up their W1AW Broadcasts now. This precedent could easily be applied to them, if someone wanted to entrap them. The difference between the W1AW broadcasts and the K1MAN broadcasts is that W1AW does not openly promote any merchandise sold by the League. For that reason, W1AW was not the subject of any FCC enforcement action. W1AW is not doing anything illegal under the current rules. Several years ago, a Petition for Rulemaking was filed with the FCC. This petition would have eliminated ALL broadcasting activity on the congested HF phone bands. The FCC never put it up for public comment. Broadcasting, whether by K1MAN, W1AW, or anyone else, does not belong on the amateur bands. If someone wants to play broadcaster, let him or her buy time on the numerous commercial shortwave stations that operate in this country. The rates on most of them are quite reasonable and those stations run a minimum of 50 kW transmitter power (not including antenna gain). Phil G. K2PG
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I agree, Phil. I don't think the Amateur bands are the place for any type of broadcasting. Whether the ARRL is for the benefit of the Amateur Radio operator or not it is still a commercial entity. However, where K1MAN crossed WAY over the line in my estimation is when he had a call in radio show on 20 and 75 meters then played it back time after time after time! I don't think such a privilege is provided for in any Amateur Radio license. Rick/K5IZ The difference between the W1AW broadcasts and the K1MAN broadcasts is that W1AW does not openly promote any merchandise sold by the League. For that reason, W1AW was not the subject of any FCC enforcement action. W1AW is not doing anything illegal under the current rules. Several years ago, a Petition for Rulemaking was filed with the FCC. This petition would have eliminated ALL broadcasting activity on the congested HF phone bands. The FCC never put it up for public comment. Broadcasting, whether by K1MAN, W1AW, or anyone else, does not belong on the amateur bands. If someone wants to play broadcaster, let him or her buy time on the numerous commercial shortwave stations that operate in this country. The rates on most of them are quite reasonable and those stations run a minimum of 50 kW transmitter power (not including antenna gain). Phil G. K2PG
Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined
Interesting stuff... The DISCUSSION section about mentioninmg a web site is interesting - that may now be an issue, but I didn't see any firm conclusion. Also I would think ARRL in Newington should be VERY careful before they fire up their W1AW Broadcasts now. This precedent could easily be applied to them, if someone wanted to entrap them. I can't imagine that happening at the moment, but if in the future the ARRL becomes very unpopular, radio amateurs and the FCC could easily go after W1AW with these same legal reasonings. I wonder if he will file an appeal with the Department of Justice or the superior courts etc. In the past this guy has always found so many options in the courts. The whole thing has this flavor of and old time feud... seems like it should be tried in rural Kentucky rather than in Maine or Boston! On 29 Mar 2006 at 20:37, Mike Duke, K5XU wrote: This may be old news, but I just saw it. k5xu GLENN A. BAXTER. Issued a monetary forfeiture in the amount of $21,000 to Glenn A. Baxter, for violation of Sections 97.101(d), 97.113(a)(3), 97.105(a) and 97.113(b) of the Commission Rules, and for failure to file required information pursuant to a Bureau directive. Action by: Regional Director, Northeast Region, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: 03/27/2006 by Forfeiture Order. (DA No. 06-663). EB http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-663A1.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-663A1.pdf Mike Duke, K5XU American Council of Blind Radio Amateurs __ AMRadio mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.html Post: mailto:AMRadio@mailman.qth.net AMfone Website: http://www.amfone.net AM List Admin: Brian Sherrod/w5ami, Paul Courson/wa3vjb
Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined
You are absolutely correct Brian. As a non-member of the ARRgghhL, I do not get their reports or broadcasting (since it is a single transmission to the masses) schedule. I hate like hell to admit but I found myself somewhat sympathetic to K1(wo)MAN's cause whereas he was afforded the same style broadcast as W1AW. Disregard the programming, the same modus operandi, if you will, lumps both together. Personally, I didn't see why the (be)League(d) didn't petition for licensing their station just on the outside of the ham bands when this issue raised its ugly head years ago. They, the (be)League(d) should have had the foresight to see that Glen would use the what's good for the goose is good for the gander point of view and ultimately challenge the ARRgghhL until he finally got his way. I don't have a rule book in front of me but I thought that one-way transmissions, in and of their self was prohibited by the FCC until this issue came up. I think the ARRgghhL could have save themselves, and the ham community allot of frustration, by doing a logical left shift up band, had they seen this snowball rolling down the mountain. Of course, hindsight is always twenty-twenty. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK - Original Message - From: Brian Carling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of AM Radio amradio@mailman.qth.net; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined Interesting stuff... The DISCUSSION section about mentioninmg a web site is interesting - that may now be an issue, but I didn't see any firm conclusion. Also I would think ARRL in Newington should be VERY careful before they fire up their W1AW Broadcasts now. This precedent could easily be applied to them, if someone wanted to entrap them. I can't imagine that happening at the moment, but if in the future the ARRL becomes very unpopular, radio amateurs and the FCC could easily go after W1AW with these same legal reasonings. I wonder if he will file an appeal with the Department of Justice or the superior courts etc. In the past this guy has always found so many options in the courts. The whole thing has this flavor of and old time feud... seems like it should be tried in rural Kentucky rather than in Maine or Boston!
Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined
Slk said, As a non-member of the ARRgghhL, I do not get their reports or broadcasting (since it is a single transmission to the masses) schedule. Any of this information is available off the ARRL Web Site whether you're a member or not. The complete W1AW bulletin schedule and frequencies are available off the their web site. One way information bulletins are not illegal on the Amateur Bands. See 97.111 (b)(6) 97.111 Authorized transmissions. (b) In addition to one-way transmissions specifically authorized elsewhere in this Part, an amateur station may transmit the following types of one-way communications: (1) Brief transmissions necessary to make adjustments to the station; (2) Brief transmissions necessary to establishing two-way communications with other stations; (3) Telecommand; (4) Transmissions necessary to providing emergency communications; (5) Transmissions necessary to assisting persons learning, or improving proficiency in, the international Morse code; (6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins; (7) Transmissions of telemetry. AND See 97.113 (b) 97.113 Prohibited transmissions. (a) No amateur station shall transmit: (1) Communications specifically prohibited elsewhere in this Part; (2) Communications for hire or for material compensation, direct or indirect, paid or promised, except as otherwise provided in these rules; (3) Communications in which the station licensee or control operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf of an employer. Amateur operators may, however, notify other amateur operators of the availability for sale or trade of apparatus normally used in an amateur station, provided that such activity is not conducted on a regular basis; (4) Music using a phone emission except as specifically provided elsewhere in this Section; communications intended to facilitate a criminal act; messages in codes or ciphers intended to obscure the meaning thereof, except as otherwise provided herein; obscene or indecent words or language; or false or deceptive messages, signals or identification; (5) Communications, on a regular basis, which could reasonably be furnished alternatively through other radio services. (b) An amateur station shall not engage in any form of broadcasting, nor may an amateur station transmit one-way communications except as specifically provided in these rules; nor shall an amateur station engage in any activity related to program production or news gathering for broadcasting purposes, except that communications directly related to the immediate safety of human life or the protection of property may be provided by amateur stations to broadcasters for dissemination to the public where no other means of communication is reasonably available before or at the time of the event. Pete, wa2cwa On Sat, 1 Apr 2006 09:12:38 -0500 Mike Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are absolutely correct Brian. As a non-member of the ARRgghhL, I do not get their reports or broadcasting (since it is a single transmission to the masses) schedule. I hate like hell to admit but I found myself somewhat sympathetic to K1(wo)MAN's cause whereas he was afforded the same style broadcast as W1AW. Disregard the programming, the same modus operandi, if you will, lumps both together. Personally, I didn't see why the (be)League(d) didn't petition for licensing their station just on the outside of the ham bands when this issue raised its ugly head years ago. They, the (be)League(d) should have had the foresight to see that Glen would use the what's good for the goose is good for the gander point of view and ultimately challenge the ARRgghhL until he finally got his way. I don't have a rule book in front of me but I thought that one-way transmissions, in and of their self was prohibited by the FCC until this issue came up. I think the ARRgghhL could have save themselves, and the ham community allot of frustration, by doing a logical left shift up band, had they seen this snowball rolling down the mountain. Of course, hindsight is always twenty-twenty. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK
Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined
No kidding Pete?! Is it my responsibility to check the ARRgghhL web site for their transmissions? Some may visit it more than others but I do not (nor do I care). In reference to the broadcasting, this is what I said: I don't have a rule book in front of me but I thought that one-way transmissions, in and of their self was prohibited by the FCC until this issue came up. Clue: read the last part of my statement carefully. Personally, I think that the ARRgghhL should cease and desist with their one-way transmissions since they never check the frequency to see if it is in use. I hold them in the same low esteem as K1(wo)MAN. To me that is intentional QRM and is subject to the same set of rules that you cite. Their best bet would be to get permission or licensing to broadcast just outside of the ham bands and not cause any problems to anyone. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK - Original Message - From: Peter Markavage [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] k1man fined Slk said, As a non-member of the ARRgghhL, I do not get their reports or broadcasting (since it is a single transmission to the masses) schedule. Any of this information is available off the ARRL Web Site whether you're a member or not. The complete W1AW bulletin schedule and frequencies are available off the their web site. One way information bulletins are not illegal on the Amateur Bands. See 97.111 (b)(6) 97.111 Authorized transmissions. (b) In addition to one-way transmissions specifically authorized elsewhere in this Part, an amateur station may transmit the following types of one-way communications: (1) Brief transmissions necessary to make adjustments to the station; (2) Brief transmissions necessary to establishing two-way communications with other stations; (3) Telecommand; (4) Transmissions necessary to providing emergency communications; (5) Transmissions necessary to assisting persons learning, or improving proficiency in, the international Morse code; (6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins; (7) Transmissions of telemetry. AND See 97.113 (b) 97.113 Prohibited transmissions. (a) No amateur station shall transmit: (1) Communications specifically prohibited elsewhere in this Part; (2) Communications for hire or for material compensation, direct or indirect, paid or promised, except as otherwise provided in these rules; (3) Communications in which the station licensee or control operator has a pecuniary interest, including communications on behalf of an employer. Amateur operators may, however, notify other amateur operators of the availability for sale or trade of apparatus normally used in an amateur station, provided that such activity is not conducted on a regular basis; (4) Music using a phone emission except as specifically provided elsewhere in this Section; communications intended to facilitate a criminal act; messages in codes or ciphers intended to obscure the meaning thereof, except as otherwise provided herein; obscene or indecent words or language; or false or deceptive messages, signals or identification; (5) Communications, on a regular basis, which could reasonably be furnished alternatively through other radio services. (b) An amateur station shall not engage in any form of broadcasting, nor may an amateur station transmit one-way communications except as specifically provided in these rules; nor shall an amateur station engage in any activity related to program production or news gathering for broadcasting purposes, except that communications directly related to the immediate safety of human life or the protection of property may be provided by amateur stations to broadcasters for dissemination to the public where no other means of communication is reasonably available before or at the time of the event. Pete, wa2cwa
[AMRadio] k1man fined
This may be old news, but I just saw it. k5xu GLENN A. BAXTER. Issued a monetary forfeiture in the amount of $21,000 to Glenn A. Baxter, for violation of Sections 97.101(d), 97.113(a)(3), 97.105(a) and 97.113(b) of the Commission Rules, and for failure to file required information pursuant to a Bureau directive. Action by: Regional Director, Northeast Region, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: 03/27/2006 by Forfeiture Order. (DA No. 06-663). EB http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-663A1.doc http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-663A1.pdf Mike Duke, K5XU American Council of Blind Radio Amateurs
