RE: [Arches] Related Resources - should we use as we head to v5.1?

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hey Jude,

Have you had a look in the Related Resources section of the person record?

When you use a resource_instance link it doesn’t know whether the model you’re 
linking to has a dedicated branch so it will create a record in the Related 
Resources Branch instead. This newly created link will take you back to the 
monument record when clicked on.

Hope this helps

Phil

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Hey all,

I'm wondering whether to begin using Related Resources to create relationships 
between resources.  We are going to be moving to v5.1 in time for our public 
go-live in Mar 2021.  We want, as part of this go-live, to include 
relationships between a Monument and a Person (Actor).  To test it out, I just 
created the relationship between:

Iron Age Settlement (Monument resource)
+
Gerhard Bersu (Person (Actor) resource)

I only had to create the relationship once and it appeared on both resources.

But, should I continue to use Related Resources when this Warning appears in 
the Arches user doc:

[X]

I therefore created the same relationship using the resource-instance datatype, 
like this:

[X]

But although this creates a relationship from Monument to Person (Actor), it 
doesn't create a relationship from Person (Actor) to Monument, i.e.:

Monument resource has relationship to Person (Actor):
[X]
But, Person (Actor) has no relationship to Monument:

[X]

Do you have to create the relationship on BOTH records?

(With Related Resources it appears that creating a relationship on one resource 
then automatically creates it on the other record.)

Before the team here embark on creating relationships between resources I want 
to make sure we using the best route for v5.1 onwards, and also that we're 
creating relationships that 'work both ways' using the most efficient method 
for doing so.

Thanks as ever for advice,

Jude.
Collections Information Manager
Manx National Heritage
Isle of Man



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[Arches] HEritagedata.org

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi all,
This should now be back up.

Regards

Phil

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RE: [Arches] Graph Validation Error (you cannot modify a Resource Model with instances) - how do I find instances?

[Carlisle, Philip]

Here’s the HE Periods file. Just seeing if it’ll get to this list .

Phil

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Hey Chris, Phil - thanks, sorry about this, the links come up with 502 error 
and I can't see the file in my email (or in my spam) at 
jude.dic...@mnh.im

Thanks for the import instructions - once I can grab the PERIOD (EH) rdf file I 
will import it,

Sorry again about this,

Jude.
On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 12:12:32 PM UTC+1 
patlu...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Jude,

>From the website in the link download the SKOS file 
>seneschal_eh_period_20130717.rdf and put it on your server.
Within Arches Reference Data Manager select the 'Thesauri' tab.
>From the blue 'Tools' menu select 'Import Thesauri' and the 'Import New 
>Concept Scheme' dialogue window opens.
Click the 'Choose File' button and browse to where you downloaded the file to, 
and select it.
Back at the dialogue, upload the chosen file into your thesaurus by clicking 
the 'Upload File' button.

Good luck,
Pat

On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 11:18:43 AM UTC+1 manxnation...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Chris - thanks for the PERIOD (EH) thesaurus link.  Last time Phil sent me 
the EVENTS thesaurus as an attachment to import into Arches - see conversation 
of 18 Sep in this Forum.  Do you know what format I need to save the PERIOD 
(EH) thesaurus to in order to import it as a thesaurus to Arches?

Cheers again, Jude.
On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 9:37:33 AM UTC+1 
christop...@historicengland.org.uk 
wrote:
Hi Jude,

Phil helpfully maintains a website with the PERIOD (EH) thesaurus, along with 
other vocabs from HE, Historic Environment Scotland, and RCAHMW. I believe you 
want the Historic England Periods Authority File in SKOS / RDF format.

https://www.heritagedata.org/blog/vocabularies-provided/

Hope this helps.

Chris Dolby
Project Manager
Historic England

On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 4:20:49 PM UTC+1 
manxnation...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry to be a pain as well, but do you have the PERIOD (EH) thesaurus to hand 
that I can reimport?  You'll see from my other conversation that I haven't 
actually 'covered myself in glory' in adding the new child terms, but I figure, 
making mistakes is how I learn anything - ain't that the truth!

Thanks again, you really do provide an invaluable lifeline on all this, I owe 
you several beers when pubs come back into existence!  Jude.
On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC+1 
manxnation...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Phil, that makes total sense. I did an Advanced Search to find what data 
is in that node (so I can delete it) and the only name it came up with was 
'John Smith' which I recall was a test record - but then it doesn't return the 
record(s) this data is in...see attached screen grab.

Otherwise I will go through all 6,000 records and delete the data from the node 
and then make the change - that will work, will get there.

Cheers, Jude.
On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 2:28:08 PM UTC+1 
philip@historicengland.org.uk 
wrote:
Hi Jude,
The answer to the export, change, re-import is here 
https://arches.readthedocs.io/en/stable/command-line-reference/

See the Export business data and Import business data sections.

I’ve used import a lot but never export so I can only point you at the theory.

The process though, would be:


  1.  Export data to /business_data folder
  2.  Modify Graph
  3.  Export Graph and save to your Graphs/Resource_Models folder
  4.  Create mapping file and concepts folder.
  5.  Save mapping file and concepts file to business_data folder.
  6.  Import data via command line using

 *   python manage.py packages -o import_business_data -s 
'path_to_source_file' -c 'path_to_mapping_file' -ow  overwrite 
--create_concepts create  --bulk_load

Hope that helps

Phil

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[Arches] Heritagedata.org temporarily unavailable

[Carlisle, Philip]

Dear all,

The heritagedata.org website is down at the moment and returning a 502 Bad 
Gateway. I’ve contacted the hosts and there are currently issues with the Linux 
Cluster Web Hosting Platform which may result in intermittent site loading and 
FTP access.

This issue is being investigated and will hopefully be resolved soon.

Phil

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RE: [Arches] Graph Validation Error (you cannot modify a Resource Model with instances) - how do I find instances?

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Jude,
I’ve sent the file separately. Can you check your spam folder.

Phil

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Hey Chris - thanks for the PERIOD (EH) thesaurus link.  Last time Phil sent me 
the EVENTS thesaurus as an attachment to import into Arches - see conversation 
of 18 Sep in this Forum.  Do you know what format I need to save the PERIOD 
(EH) thesaurus to in order to import it as a thesaurus to Arches?

Cheers again, Jude.
On Tuesday, October 20, 2020 at 9:37:33 AM UTC+1 
christop...@historicengland.org.uk 
wrote:
Hi Jude,

Phil helpfully maintains a website with the PERIOD (EH) thesaurus, along with 
other vocabs from HE, Historic Environment Scotland, and RCAHMW. I believe you 
want the Historic England Periods Authority File in SKOS / RDF format.

https://www.heritagedata.org/blog/vocabularies-provided/

Hope this helps.

Chris Dolby
Project Manager
Historic England

On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 4:20:49 PM UTC+1 manxnation...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry to be a pain as well, but do you have the PERIOD (EH) thesaurus to hand 
that I can reimport?  You'll see from my other conversation that I haven't 
actually 'covered myself in glory' in adding the new child terms, but I figure, 
making mistakes is how I learn anything - ain't that the truth!

Thanks again, you really do provide an invaluable lifeline on all this, I owe 
you several beers when pubs come back into existence!  Jude.
On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 4:16:02 PM UTC+1 
manxnation...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Phil, that makes total sense. I did an Advanced Search to find what data 
is in that node (so I can delete it) and the only name it came up with was 
'John Smith' which I recall was a test record - but then it doesn't return the 
record(s) this data is in...see attached screen grab.

Otherwise I will go through all 6,000 records and delete the data from the node 
and then make the change - that will work, will get there.

Cheers, Jude.
On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 2:28:08 PM UTC+1 
philip@historicengland.org.uk 
wrote:
Hi Jude,
The answer to the export, change, re-import is here 
https://arches.readthedocs.io/en/stable/command-line-reference/

See the Export business data and Import business data sections.

I’ve used import a lot but never export so I can only point you at the theory.

The process though, would be:


  1.  Export data to /business_data folder
  2.  Modify Graph
  3.  Export Graph and save to your Graphs/Resource_Models folder
  4.  Create mapping file and concepts folder.
  5.  Save mapping file and concepts file to business_data folder.
  6.  Import data via command line using

 *   python manage.py packages -o import_business_data -s 
'path_to_source_file' -c 'path_to_mapping_file' -ow  overwrite 
--create_concepts create  --bulk_load

Hope that helps

Phil

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Knowledge Organization Specialist
Information Analysis
Policy and Evidence Group
Historic England
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Mobile: +44 (0)7768 656427

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what we can to maintain our level of response but please bear with us as this 
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Subject: Re: [Arches] Graph Validation Error (you cannot modify a Resource 
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I suppose it's us wanting to work with developing Arches as we work with the 
data and learn Arches, without then having to dump out all the data and 
reimport each time we want to add a new node; or change the name or an existing 
node; or change the resource-instance a node uses, i.e. from 'Person (Actor)' 
to 'Organisation (Actor)'.  These changes only tend to emerge 

RE: [Arches] Graph Validation Error (you cannot modify a Resource Model with instances) - how do I find instances?

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Jude,
The answer to the export, change, re-import is here 
https://arches.readthedocs.io/en/stable/command-line-reference/

See the Export business data and Import business data sections.

I’ve used import a lot but never export so I can only point you at the theory.

The process though, would be:


  1.  Export data to /business_data folder
  2.  Modify Graph
  3.  Export Graph and save to your Graphs/Resource_Models folder
  4.  Create mapping file and concepts folder.
  5.  Save mapping file and concepts file to business_data folder.
  6.  Import data via command line using
 *   python manage.py packages -o import_business_data -s 
'path_to_source_file' -c 'path_to_mapping_file' -ow  overwrite 
--create_concepts create  --bulk_load

Hope that helps

Phil

Phil Carlisle
Knowledge Organization Specialist
Information Analysis
Policy and Evidence Group
Historic England
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Mobile: +44 (0)7768 656427

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what we can to maintain our level of response but please bear with us as this 
may be slower than usual.

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Subject: Re: [Arches] Graph Validation Error (you cannot modify a Resource 
Model with instances) - how do I find instances?


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I suppose it's us wanting to work with developing Arches as we work with the 
data and learn Arches, without then having to dump out all the data and 
reimport each time we want to add a new node; or change the name or an existing 
node; or change the resource-instance a node uses, i.e. from 'Person (Actor)' 
to 'Organisation (Actor)'.  These changes only tend to emerge once you start 
working with the data and shaping it within Arches - hard to figure every move 
out in advance I tend to find.

Thanks again for your help - I won't be hitting the delete button for now.  
Hopefully there's another way, even if it is export; change Resource Models; 
reimport data.  If that's the only way, is there a guide on how to do that?

Cheers, Jude.
On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 1:33:25 PM UTC+1 
manxnation...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Alexei, that's helpful.  Will doing that delete all the Monuments?  
Surely there's the function to be able to change a resource-instances for a 
Node without having to delete all the records from the Resource Model?  Same 
with wanting to change the name given to a node - is there a way to change the 
name given to a node without having to delete the entire database?

I really don't want to have to delete all 6,000 Monument records for when I 
want to make a change to a resource-instance for a node.  Feels a little 
extreme.

Thanks for your help, Jude.


On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 10:05:15 PM UTC+1 Alexei Peters wrote:
Hi Jude,
If you want to delete all the "Monument" instances just go to the graph 
designer for that model.  Then select the "Manage" button in the upper left 
corner.  That should give you an option to delete all instances of that model.
I know it's obvious, but this is permanent.  There is no way to undo the delete 
of all the instances.
Cheers,
Alexei

Director of Web Development - Farallon Geographics, Inc. - 
971.227.3173


On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 1:12 AM 
manxnation...@gmail.com 
mailto:manxnation...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,

We're starting to edit our data in Arches (only 6,000 records), can anyone help 
with this query.

I need to change the resource-instance in the node 'Compiler (organisation)' 
from 'Person (Actor)' to 'Organisation (Actor)'.  (We needed to create the 
separate Resource Model 'Organisation (Actor)' to allow us to capture these 
records).  However, when I do this I get a Graph Validation Error and I cannot 
save the edit to the Resource Model.

How do I find the 'instances saved' so I can edit or delete them, in order that 
I can then make the above change?

Thanks, I'm sure there's a simple way, all part of us learning Arches here,

Jude.
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RE: [Arches] Thesauri - how to add child concept to 'top thesauri', i.e. PERIOD (EH)

[Carlisle, Philip]

And remember to add them to the thesaurus first and then the collection…

Phil

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Subject: [Arches] Thesauri - how to add child concept to 'top thesauri', i.e. 
PERIOD (EH)


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Hello,

The team here has asked me if I can add the following concepts to the PERIOD 
(EH) Thesauri:

MULTIPERIOD
EARLY CHRISTIAN
VIKING

I can see how to add a concept (as a child) to an existing concept (e.g. to 
EARLY MEDIEVAL), but not for adding a child at the top-level of the Thesauri 
itself.  I attach screenshots

Thanks all for guidance on this,

Jude.


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RE: [Arches] Thesauri - how to add child concept to 'top thesauri', i.e. PERIOD (EH)

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Jude,
I’m assuming you want MULTIPERIOD as a child of PERIOD. If that’s the case 
simply choose Add Top Concept. Multiperiod would then sit at the same level as 
things like Bronze Age etc.

Phil

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Sent: 01 October 2020 12:24
To: Arches Project 
Subject: [Arches] Thesauri - how to add child concept to 'top thesauri', i.e. 
PERIOD (EH)


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Hello,

The team here has asked me if I can add the following concepts to the PERIOD 
(EH) Thesauri:

MULTIPERIOD
EARLY CHRISTIAN
VIKING

I can see how to add a concept (as a child) to an existing concept (e.g. to 
EARLY MEDIEVAL), but not for adding a child at the top-level of the Thesauri 
itself.  I attach screenshots

Thanks all for guidance on this,

Jude.


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RE: [Arches] Resource Model - Saving Edit to Order of Cards

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hey Jude,

I feel your frustration.

Sometimes it seems it’s not enough to just drag and drop the nodes in the card. 
Sometimes it works, but other times it doesn’t and reverts to the old order. 
The trick I’ve found is this: Once you’ve done the move click in the card title 
on the card configuration block on the right hand side and just change the 
spelling or add a letter. The Save Card Edits button should appear and be 
actionable. Click it. Then immediately undone what you’ve done (unless you’ve 
corrected a spelling error that just miraculously happened to be there!) and 
click save again.

To make sure it’s worked, quit designer and then go back in again.

You should be able to do all of the reordering and then use the trick so you 
don’t have to do it multiple times.

I’m currently using this trick to reorder one of my cards!

So…

Any time you feel the pain…
hey Jude, refrain, don’t carry the world upon your shoulders…

Just keep on posting on the forum!


Phil

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Hey all,

I've noticed that when I make a change to the order of Cards within a Resource 
Model - for example, I reorder the Cards in Monument so that it looks like the 
attached screenshot - I don't have the option to Save this order.  Or, at 
least, I can't see a way of doing it.

This has meant that when I come back to the Resource Model, the order of the 
Cards looks different to how I ordered it.

My aim is to have the Cards for Monument all ordered for the team so they are 
ready to start editing next week, getting use to seeing the Cards ordered in 
one way.

Am I thinking about this wrong?

Thanks for any guidance,

Jude.


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Re: [Arches] Arches v5 - Undefined Actor, why?

[Carlisle, Philip]

Double swet!

Phil

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Cheers Phil, I agree about the need for 2 Resource Models.  I now have 2 
resource models: Person (Actor); Organisation (Actor.

Yep, that works; see attached.

Thanks, nice stuff learnt today - cheers again,

Jude.

On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 3:57:31 PM UTC+1 
philip@historicengland.org.uk wrote:
Ahh! There may be an issue with having two nodes on separate branches as the 
function looks at a card and you won’t be able to point it at two cards.

You could either:


  1.  Create a Name branch which has a node called Name and a Name Type lookup 
(with Person and Organization as the two values) then you could set the 
function to show ,  and it would show “John Smith, Person” or 
“Boots the Chemist, Organization”
  2.  Create separate Person and Organization models

I’d favour 2 as it allows you to create a more detailed person model with 
birth/death, forename, surname, title etc.

Phil

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Thanks Reuben, Phil, that's worked perfectly for an Organisation name; see 
attached.

How do I apply the same in Functions for Person name - Person name also appears 
as a node in Actor resource mode; see attached 'John Smith' example.

Cheers both,

Jude.
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philip@historicengland.org.uk wrote:
Hi Jude,
Go into the model and make sure that the Functions are defined. Go to Manage, 
Functions and make sur the Define Resource Descriptors function has the name 
field set. Re-index records and this should worlk

Philk

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Hey again,

Okay, final query for today.  This one's about creating a new Actor card.

So, I've created an Actor card for the 'Royal Commission on the Historical 
Monuments of England'.  And saved it.

But when I search for this Actor card it says it's 'undefined' and so it 
doesn't return on a search or when I want to add it as an organisation name to 
an Activity card.

How so?

How do I turn this Actor card from 'undefined' to the 'Royal Commission on the 
Historical Monuments of England'.

I've looked in the Arches Guide but can't see why I'm getting 'undefined'.

Thanks as ever all,

Jude.
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RE: [Arches] Two Arches installations live in the Caribbean!

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Angela,
Congratulations to all concerned! The sites look great.

Phil

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I'm excited to share with the Arches community two more installations that are 
live!

  *   The Jamaica National Inventory of Historic 
Places, managed by the Jamaica National 
Heritage Trust: https://siteinventory.jnht.com/

  *   The Barbados National Registry of Historic 
Places, managed by the Ministry of Creative 
Economy, Culture and Sports:  https://heritagebarbados.gov.bb/
Both sites were part of an initiative to establish and improve 
community-driven, national inventories/registers in the region as part of the 
Organization of American States 
project, "Enhancing the Framework for the Development of a Heritage Economy in 
the Caribbean". The project was funded by the Permanent Mission of the United 
States to the Organization of American States.

We congratulate the governments of Barbados and Jamaica for their hard work in 
establishing and launching their inventories and community engagement campaigns 
(an especially challenging feat during COVID-19 curfews and work-from-home 
orders!).

Technical expertise in establishing the programs, customizing Arches, and 
training was provided by my firm, Coherit Associates LLC. Arches installation 
and server administration was provided by LegionGIS.

We recognize David Myers, Alison Dalgity, and Alina Myklebust at GCI, who 
provided guidance and support in implementing Arches in the region. And we so 
appreciate the ongoing technical support provided by members of this community!

Thank you to everyone who collaborated in this effort!

Angela


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RE: [Arches] Arches v5 - Undefined Actor, why?

[Carlisle, Philip]

Ahh! There may be an issue with having two nodes on separate branches as the 
function looks at a card and you won’t be able to point it at two cards.

You could either:


  1.  Create a Name branch which has a node called Name and a Name Type lookup 
(with Person and Organization as the two values) then you could set the 
function to show ,  and it would show “John Smith, Person” or 
“Boots the Chemist, Organization”
  2.  Create separate Person and Organization models

I’d favour 2 as it allows you to create a more detailed person model with 
birth/death, forename, surname, title etc.

Phil

Phil Carlisle
Knowledge Organization Specialist
Information Analysis
Policy and Evidence Group
Historic England
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Mobile: +44 (0)7768 656427

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what we can to maintain our level of response but please bear with us as this 
may be slower than usual.

http://www.heritagedata.org/blog/

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Thanks Reuben, Phil, that's worked perfectly for an Organisation name; see 
attached.

How do I apply the same in Functions for Person name - Person name also appears 
as a node in Actor resource mode; see attached 'John Smith' example.

Cheers both,

Jude.
On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 2:32:19 PM UTC+1 
philip@historicengland.org.uk 
wrote:
Hi Jude,
Go into the model and make sure that the Functions are defined. Go to Manage, 
Functions and make sur the Define Resource Descriptors function has the name 
field set. Re-index records and this should worlk

Philk

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Historic England
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Hey again,

Okay, final query for today.  This one's about creating a new Actor card.

So, I've created an Actor card for the 'Royal Commission on the Historical 
Monuments of England'.  And saved it.

But when I search for this Actor card it says it's 'undefined' and so it 
doesn't return on a search or when I want to add it as an organisation name to 
an Activity card.

How so?

How do I turn this Actor card from 'undefined' to the 'Royal Commission on the 
Historical Monuments of England'.

I've looked in the Arches Guide but can't see why I'm getting 'undefined'.

Thanks as ever all,

Jude.
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RE: [Arches] Arches v5 - how do you create Help text for a Node?

[Carlisle, Philip]

Swt!

Phil

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Thanks Phil, that works perfectly, I just created this card level help for 
Activity name node.  Great.  I'll have fun with creating help tips for the 
other nodes, so much better to have onscreen field help.

Cheers as ever, Jude.
On Wednesday, September 23, 2020 at 11:53:14 AM UTC+1 
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wrote:
Hi Jude, me again…

You want to create the help text in the card.

If you open the card designer for the node you want to add help text to you can 
either simply edit the Placeholder text (see below ) in the Widget Manager side 
bar – you can just overwrite “Enter text” with anything you like.

[https://groups.google.com/group/archesproject/attach/6334634ddad05/image003.png?part=0.1=1]

If you want more complex help text then you can toggle the ‘Enable Card Level 
help’

[https://groups.google.com/group/archesproject/attach/6334634ddad05/image005.png?part=0.2=1]

Here’s what I’ve done for people name…

[https://groups.google.com/group/archesproject/attach/6334634ddad05/image009.png?part=0.3=1]

And this is how it looks when you click help ?.

[https://groups.google.com/group/archesproject/attach/6334634ddad05/image010.png?part=0.4=1]


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Hello all,

I've started putting together a Resource Editor Guide so the team here can 
start editing and creating records on Arches.  Basic question:

How do you create onscreen Help text for each Node and do users access this 
Help text?

Thanks,

Jude.
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RE: [Arches] Arches v5 - Undefined Actor, why?

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Jude,
Go into the model and make sure that the Functions are defined. Go to Manage, 
Functions and make sur the Define Resource Descriptors function has the name 
field set. Re-index records and this should worlk

Philk

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Historic England
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Subject: [Arches] Arches v5 - Undefined Actor, why?


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Hey again,

Okay, final query for today.  This one's about creating a new Actor card.

So, I've created an Actor card for the 'Royal Commission on the Historical 
Monuments of England'.  And saved it.

But when I search for this Actor card it says it's 'undefined' and so it 
doesn't return on a search or when I want to add it as an organisation name to 
an Activity card.

How so?

How do I turn this Actor card from 'undefined' to the 'Royal Commission on the 
Historical Monuments of England'.

I've looked in the Arches Guide but can't see why I'm getting 'undefined'.

Thanks as ever all,

Jude.
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RE: [Arches] RDM - how to create a simple dropdown

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hey Jude!

Splendid. Have a good weekend yersen.

Phil

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Hey Phil,

Brilliant, of course, thanks.  I've imported the FISH Events Thesaurus (very 
easy) and made it into a Collection; see screenshot.  I then added this concept 
to the node Activity type and was  able to access this Events Thesaurus when 
creating a new Activity record in the node Activity; see screenshot.

Perfect.  Thanks Phil for this - that's sorted.  I''ve really started to 
understand Arches through your help this week, cheers.  Have a great weekend,

 Jude.
On Thursday, September 17, 2020 at 3:17:03 PM UTC+1 
philip@historicengland.org.uk 
wrote:
Hi Jude,
Right. So as I mentioned you can’t have a collection without a thesaurus even 
if that thesaurus is just a list for a dropdown.

For example say you wanted a dropdown called ‘Threat Level’ and you wanted Low, 
Medium, High as your terms.


  1.  Select ‘Add Thesauri’ from the Tools dropdown
  2.  Add name in the Concept Scheme Name and Save Changes

[https://groups.google.com/group/archesproject/attach/466ea1c7188de/image002.png?part=0.0.1=1]


  1.  Your new scheme will appear at the bottom of the thesauri list and will 
open the main page of the schema

[https://groups.google.com/group/archesproject/attach/466ea1c7188de/image008.png?part=0.0.2=1]

  1.  On the main page you can see a blue ‘Manage v’ button.
  2.  Click this to open the manage concepts menu.
  3.  Select ‘Add Top Concept’
  4.  Enter the term you want to add – ‘High’ and any scopenote. Save Changes

[https://groups.google.com/group/archesproject/attach/466ea1c7188de/image009.png?part=0.0.3=1]

  1.  You will now see the term in the hierarchy.

[https://groups.google.com/group/archesproject/attach/466ea1c7188de/image011.png?part=0.0.4=1]


  1.  Repeat step 7 for all the terms in the list.
  2.  Once you’ve added all your terms. Select ‘Make Collection’ from the 
‘Manage v’ dropdown
  3.  If the operation was successful you’ll see this (a blue header with 
Success in the top left

[https://groups.google.com/group/archesproject/attach/466ea1c7188de/image013.png?part=0.0.5=1]



  1.  Your collection will now appear in the Collections List (in alphabetical 
order) and can now be added to your resource model and used for selection in 
your cards.
[https://groups.google.com/group/archesproject/attach/466ea1c7188de/image018.png?part=0.0.6=1]
N.B if you need to add more concepts, once you’ve made your collection, then 
you will need to add them as concepts in the thesaurus and then go into the 
collection and add them using the ‘Add dropdown entry’. For example if you 
wanted to add ‘No Threat’ this is how you’d do it.

I’m attaching the events thesaurus.
Save it to your PC,
Import it (it should go in no problem),
Open it on the main page (see below), click ‘Manage v’ Select ‘Make Collection’
[https://groups.google.com/group/archesproject/attach/466ea1c7188de/image019.png?part=0.0.7=1]


Give me a bell if you need any help

Phil


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Thanks Phil (I'm quite a Beatles fan so I never mind that song reference to my 
name!),

Okay, perhaps the attached screenshots will unpick this one.  So, I created (so 
I thought) a Concept to add my handful of dropdown terms to, called 'Activity 
Type'.  But this only appears in Collections, not Thesauri (as it's not a 
thesaurus as such, just a dropdown of less than 10  terms).

Do I then add terms to this Concept in Collections?  When I click 'Add dropdown 
entry' I get the attached error.

Event Type 

RE: [Arches] CSV import not working for nodes that use ''Place node(s) in a separate card'

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Markus,
After you make the change have you re-exported the model and created a new 
mapping file? I’m not sure if this will solve the problem but I always refresh 
the model and mapping files whenever I make a change just in case…

Phil

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Hi,

I have been experimenting with imports of CSV data to Arches v5. Mostly it has 
been going well without an issue, and I understand how the process works. 
However, in more complicated models, certain fields did not seem to be 
importing at all. The common denominator for these nodes turned out to be that 
they had ''Place node(s) in a separate card' turned on.

Steps to reproduce the issue that I am having:

  1.  Create a new Resource Model such as 'TEST' (no ontology needed)
  2.  Edit the 'TEST' model and add a child node called 'Name1' (string)
  3.  Under 'Name1', add child node 'Name2' (string)
  4.  Save the model
  5.  Create a Mapping File for 'TEST' model
  6.  Create a data.csv with content inserted below these bullets
  7.  Use import command such as: python manage.py packages -o 
import_business_data -s '/some/folder/data.csv' -c '/some/folder/TEST.mapping' 
-ow 'overwrite'
  8.  You should see the new record successfully imported into Arches
  9.  Now delete the instance that was created
  10. Edit the 'TEST' Resource Model and turn on 'Place node(s) in a separate 
card' for 'Name2' node
  11. Retry the import steps again (actually just re-running the import command 
should do)
  12. The record will be created but only 'Name1' will be imported. I would 
expect both fields to be imported just like before.
CSV file content here:

ResourceID,Name1,Name2
1,Some name,Some other name

I hope somebody has some insight into what I may be doing wrong or how I could 
get the import to work successfully. Thank you very much!

Best regards,

Markus
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RE: [Arches] Graph Designer - how to apply the MIDAS Standard?

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Jude,
Glad to hear you’re moving on to Arches v.5.

Right.

To answer your first question. Yes they make sense. When we built the first 
heritage inventory package (HIP) for Arches we based each model on one of the 
MIDAS themes. We’ve slimmed down the number of models since as you can type 
many of the activity models (investigative activity, management activity etc) 
but the resource models are MIDAS compliant. We have separated Assets into 
Heritage Assets (building and structures), Heritage Areas (large sites, 
conservation areas etc.) and Artefacts (self-explanatory). We’ve also developed 
a full period model similar to yours. In the olden days we made do with a 
dropdown and from and to dates, but in this fancy, future-proofing world we 
live in, a semantically-rich, spatio-temporal representation of time seems more 
useful and appropriate. I’m happy to share.

Okay so linking is relatively easy. Each node that needs to reference another 
model (eg. a Monument record referencing a period record) needs to have the 
data type ‘resource instance’ or ‘resource instance list’.

If you are only referencing 1 model then choose resource instance and then 
select the model you want to link to. The top branch in the model will be the 
one you see so for Period make sure the Name is at the top in the Cards display.

You can also link to 2 models so for example if you wanted to link people and 
organizations to a monument using a single ‘Associated Actors’ branch you can 
do this by selecting ‘resource instance list’ as the datatype and then add each 
model.

Finally there isn’t a guide to mapping MIDAS to the CRM. However, I do have a 
spreadsheet I made many, many moons ago which is VERY out of date (as the CRM 
has been revised) and includes classes and properties which have since been 
deprecated but I can share those with you.

I’m happy to talk through this on Zoom. I could probably do tomorrow but I’m 
off Thursday and Friday of this week so maybe next week would be better?

Phil

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Hello,

This is my first post to the Arches Forum, so to introduce myself.  I'm 
Collections Information Manager for Manx National Heritage and we have just 
completed the install of Arches v.5 for the Isle of Man Historic Environment 
Record.  The install was done by Knowledge Integration who moved a copy of our 
data into 1 Resource Model.

I've looked at the Arches Guide, watched the Webinars and started to create the 
MIDAS-based Resource Models we have chosen to use - see attached screenshot.  
Early days.  I wonder however if anyone can give me some basic pointers (and 
reassurance) on the following questions I have, which I'm thinking are fairly 
basic queries for a beginner with Arches such as myself:

Do these MIDAS-based Resource Models make sense within Arches?  Is anyone else 
using MIDAS in this way?

How do I use and create Branches to link between the Resource Models?
Knowledge Integration took our HER data and put it in the Monument Resource 
Model and created a Graph - see attached screenshot.  Site Dating node (for 
example) needs to 'change' to my newly created Date and Period Resource Model; 
see attached screenshot.  How do I do this (if indeed I'm interpreting this 
right)?

Is there a guide on how to apply CIDOC-CRM to MIDAS?  (Not even sure if that is 
a valid question).

Thanks for any beginner's guidance on the above, we're excited here to be using 
Arches and are working to make it 'live' to the public in March 2021.

Cheers,  Jude.
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RE: [Arches] Arches HER for Jersey Heritage goes live

[Carlisle, Philip]

Congrats David.

It looks great. Have you done much user testing? Would you like external 
feedback on the site?

Phil

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On behalf of the project team, I am delighted to announce the launch of the 
Historic Environment Record for Jersey Heritage. The culmination of a 
three-year development, the HER contains details of 5,137 historic buildings 
and archaeological sites, and 206 records of finds on the island of Jersey, 
together with information on related survey activities, archives and 
bibliographic data.

The project was managed by Dr Peter Chowne, in collaboration with Roger Hills 
and Georgia Robinson of Jersey Heritage, while I provided technical advice and 
implementation. On the subject of support, I’d like to record my thanks to all 
those at Farallon, particularly Alexei, Dennis and Cyrus and other forum users, 
particularly Adam Cox, who answered my many questions and helped us to get this 
service up and running. I couldn’t have done it without you!

Hosted in a virtual server on Amazon Web Services (AWS), running Ubuntu 16.04, 
the HER uses Arches version 4.4.2. It is accessible at the URL

https://her.jerseyheritage.org


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RE: [Arches] Importing resources problem

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Mike,
I notice that your mapping file doesn’t have a ResourceID node. In the snip 
below I’d expect it to be between Report ID and SCHARP description.

This may not be the issue but if you’re importing UUIDs in you will need a node 
to store the value. Also in the spreadsheet you attached the ResourceID appears 
to just be a plain integer rather than a GUID

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I have attached a CSV file from which I’m trying to import a small sample 
dataset from the thousands we need to migrate. It has a ResourceID field 
populated with UUIDs but when I run the import_business_data command, I get the 
message:

ERROR: No column 'ResourceID' found in business data file.
Please add a 'ResourceID' column with a unique resource identifier.

I’m at a loss to see what I've done wrong though quite prepared to believe I've 
missed something obvious. I've also attached the mappings file.

The full command I’m using is:

python manage.py packages -o import_business_data -s 'imports/Coastal Heritage 
Site.csv' -ow overwrite

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Re: [Arches] Display map and location on Resource Report

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Christian,
Have you looked at the report in the Resource Model? If you click on the report 
node in the Cards tab it should give you the option to set the header.
I may be wrong but it sounds like you’ve inadvertently turned the header off

Phil

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Hello,

I seem to have turned the option off to have the map and location of a resource 
display when looking at a resource report. All resources and map are displayed 
when doing the initial search, but when selecting a single resource, the report 
does not show the map. All other information is displayed.

I looked in the Map Layer Manager and the specific Resource Model, but could 
not find the setting to display it.

Thanks,

Christian

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RE: [Arches] Standards in Resourse models

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Vencislav,
Can you explain a bit more about your plans, please?

My understanding, from your message, it that you want to record Dolmens, Tombs, 
Archaeological Sites and Heritage Resources. Is that correct?

If so I would suggest that you simply need a single model.

Let me explain.

The broadest grouping (ie. Heritage Resource) should have the same core 
attributes as the narrowest grouping (Dolmen) that is they will both have a 
name, location, date etc. associated with them.

At the narrower level it may be that you would what more detailed or 
specialized information relating specifically to Dolmens but the nodes that 
record the more detailed information can be included in the broader model and 
simply left blank if you don’t have it.

The use of E55 Type allows you to specify the level of the model

So for instance your root node, in the single model, may be Heritage Resource 
(E18 Physical Thing) to record a dolmen you would add a Record Type node (E55 
Type) associated with a controlled vocabulary which could be hierarchical in 
nature like a thesaurus you could then select Archaeological Site or Tomb or 
Dolmen.

So you could have:

Heritage Resource Record number 36: has type Dolmen
Heritage Resource Record number 37: has type Tomb
“  “   “   “  number 38: has type Chambered Tomb
“   “   “   “  number 39: has type House

The benefit of this is that you don’t need to design a different model for 
every type of thing you want to record.

Obviously if you are only ever going to record Dolmens then a specific model 
would be fine.

With regards to the language aspect, as far as I’m aware there is no reason why 
you shouldn’t be able to translate the interface into blugarian.

The EAMENA project provides interfaces in English and Arabic 
(http://eamenadatabase.arch.ox.ac.uk/) and, I believe, uses a multi-lingual 
vocabulary.

The RDM in both version 3 and 4 provides multilingual capabilities for creating 
and storing SKOS-compliant controlled vocabularies and you should be able to 
set the default language to Bulgarian.

I hope this helps.

Phil

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Subject: [Arches] Standards in Resourse models

Hello,
My name is Ventsislav Pirinski and I am from the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences.
We would like to integrate Arches in bulgarian museums and we are working in 
close collaboration with some museums and heritage institutions. We want to 
show the capabilities of Arches with a sample project. We have working 
implementation of Arches 4.0.
The project is about type of tombs, dolmens. We have created Resource model 
called "Dolmens" and modified it to suit our needs, but we want to relate it to 
a more general model.
Something like this "Heritage resource model" -> "Archaeological site model" -> 
"Tombs model" -> "Dolmens model".
We want to use a standard like CRM CIDOC for this relation.
Can this be done natively in Arches?

Also we want to have partial translation in Bulgarian for the reports. We know 
that the sections can not be translated, we are concerned only about the 
translation of the data. What advice would you give me for the implementation?

Best regards,
Vencislav Pirinski
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RE: [Arches] undefined Resources

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Darcy,
I’ve had a go at creating a resource and as you say it came back with undefined 
resource.

However I think I’ve solved the problem.

For each model you need to modify the Define Resource Descriptors Function to 
select the node which you would like to display, in this case 

You can easily identify those resource models which have this function already 
set up by adding a new resource.

If in the top left it says Resource Editor – undefined resource it hasn’t been 
done.

If it has been done it will show something like Resource Editor -  (where 
the name of the node selected for display is in <>)

Here’s the workflow to add the node

1. In Arches Designer select the resource model you want to add the 
function to and from the ‘Manage…’ dropdown select  Functions

2. From the Function library select ‘ Define Resource Descriptors’ – The 
Define Resource Descriptors card will open.

3. In the Card Name field use the dropdown to select the card which 
contains the node you wish to display (in this case Name) – the Primary Name 
Template field will auto populate with a suggestion (something like , )

4. Click in the Primary Name Template field and modify it until it meets 
your requirement.

5. Save the edits and next time you add a resource it should show “Resource 
Editor - ”

Once you’ve added the function it will appear in the menu on the left of the 
Function Manager Card

I added added the function for the Heritage Resource Model and I also added a 
report for Heritage Resource Group Resource Model as I created a new resource 
but it didn’t show up.

The records I created are Testrecord (Heritage Resource Group) and 
PhilTestRecord (Heritage Resource)

I hope this helps and that I’ve not misunderstood you again.

Phil


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From: archesproject@googlegroups.com [mailto:archesproject@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Darcy Christ
Sent: 14 November 2017 05:40
To: Arches Project
Subject: [Arches] undefined Resources

Hi,

I continue to struggle with getting a proper installation of Arches v4 running. 
I have been focused on getting the system up and for planning on building a 
migration path from v3. However, now I am faced with a very fundamental issue. 
When I try to create a resource, and add a name, the resource comes out as 
undefined. This is the same on a linux and mac os x install. It is the same on 
a version of 4.01 installed via pip and a version installed by git clone and 
install from the developer documentation.

I am running a complete reinstall each time.

I am also add sample data, either just the first 3 lines or all of them.



python manage.py packages -o import_reference_data -s 
arches/db/schemes/arches_concept_scheme.rdf -ow overwrite -st keep

python manage.py packages -o import_reference_data -s 
arches/db/schemes/arches_concept_collections.rdf -ow overwrite -st keep

python manage.py packages -o import_graphs

python manage.py packages -o import_business_data -s 
tests/fixtures/data/csv/heritage_resource_model.csv -ow overwrite

python manage.py packages -o add_tileserver_layer -m 
arches/tileserver/world.xml -n world_basemap -b

python manage.py packages -o add_tileserver_layer -m 
arches/tileserver/hillshade.xml -n hillshade

You can see one of my installs here: http://heritage.hku.hk/hongkong_v4/
It still has the default password if anyone wants to confirm the behaviour. 
Just try to create a Resource, and give it a name.

Any help is appreciated/


Regards,
Darcy
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RE: [Arches] Hiding certain resources

[Carlisle, Philip]

Thanks for clarifying Darcy.
As a publically funded body we cannot hide specific resources but we can limit 
access to certain attributes of a resource.

I think a function which allowed you to filter and hide resources labelled with 
a specific tag should work.

Regards

Phil



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From: Darcy Christ [mailto:da...@1000camels.com]
Sent: 06 November 2017 10:53
To: Carlisle, Philip
Cc: Alexei Peters; Arches Project
Subject: Re: [Arches] Hiding certain resources

I want to hide specific resources, not all of a given resource model. These are 
heritage sites that cannot be made public yet, until there are more legal 
protections.

Darcy W. Christ
@1000camels

On 6 Nov 2017, at 6:36 pm, Carlisle, Philip 
<philip.carli...@historicengland.org.uk<mailto:philip.carli...@historicengland.org.uk>>
 wrote:
Hi both,
I thought this was possible using the Permission Manager?

If you define a user/group as Public then you can use the permission manager to 
define No Access for each node in a resource model. For example you could 
provide rudimentary details of a site and its type but not show its geometry or 
location. For internal users these would be available.

That’s my understanding but I may be mistaken.

Phil

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[mailto:archesproject@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Darcy Christ
Sent: 06 November 2017 05:49
To: Alexei Peters
Cc: Arches Project
Subject: Re: [Arches] Hiding certain resources

This would be for v4.

Darcy W. Christ
@1000camels

On 6 Nov 2017, at 1:46 pm, Alexei Peters 
<apet...@fargeo.com<mailto:apet...@fargeo.com>> wrote:
Hi Darcy,
First off, are you using Arches v3 or v4?
-Alexei

On Nov 4, 2017 11:01 PM, "Darcy Christ" 
<da...@1000camels.com<mailto:da...@1000camels.com>> wrote:
Hi Alexei,

It’s a very important feature we need to implement. What do you think about 
using a keyword to filter specific resources? Would you be able to some 
guidance on where you think this filter would need to be applied? We would need 
to make sure that not only the reports themselves would not be visible, but 
also that it wouldn’t appear in searches or on the map. I am not familiar with 
the code enough to know whether there is somewhere in the methods that load the 
resources that I could apply. Filter.

Darcy W. Christ
@1000camels

On 5 Nov 2017, at 5:26 am, Alexei Peters 
<apet...@fargeo.com<mailto:apet...@fargeo.com>> wrote:
Hi Darcy,
There currently isn't a way to do this, but it's a use-case that we're aware of.
-Alexei


Director of Web Development - Farallon Geographics, Inc. - 
971.227.3173<tel:(971)%20227-3173>

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 12:44 AM, Darcy Christ 
<da...@1000camels.com<mailto:da...@1000camels.com>> wrote:
Is there a way to hide specific resources from anonymous users?

We are working on a project whe

RE: [Arches] Hiding certain resources

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi both,
I thought this was possible using the Permission Manager?

If you define a user/group as Public then you can use the permission manager to 
define No Access for each node in a resource model. For example you could 
provide rudimentary details of a site and its type but not show its geometry or 
location. For internal users these would be available.

That’s my understanding but I may be mistaken.

Phil

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From: archesproject@googlegroups.com [mailto:archesproject@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Darcy Christ
Sent: 06 November 2017 05:49
To: Alexei Peters
Cc: Arches Project
Subject: Re: [Arches] Hiding certain resources

This would be for v4.

Darcy W. Christ
@1000camels

On 6 Nov 2017, at 1:46 pm, Alexei Peters 
> wrote:
Hi Darcy,
First off, are you using Arches v3 or v4?
-Alexei

On Nov 4, 2017 11:01 PM, "Darcy Christ" 
> wrote:
Hi Alexei,

It’s a very important feature we need to implement. What do you think about 
using a keyword to filter specific resources? Would you be able to some 
guidance on where you think this filter would need to be applied? We would need 
to make sure that not only the reports themselves would not be visible, but 
also that it wouldn’t appear in searches or on the map. I am not familiar with 
the code enough to know whether there is somewhere in the methods that load the 
resources that I could apply. Filter.

Darcy W. Christ
@1000camels

On 5 Nov 2017, at 5:26 am, Alexei Peters 
> wrote:
Hi Darcy,
There currently isn't a way to do this, but it's a use-case that we're aware of.
-Alexei


Director of Web Development - Farallon Geographics, Inc. - 
971.227.3173

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 12:44 AM, Darcy Christ 
> wrote:
Is there a way to hide specific resources from anonymous users?

We are working on a project where there is a need to have some heritage sites 
in the system not be publicly available. I can imagine some way to hide 
resources with a given keyword. Does this makes sense? Has anyone done this?

Regards,
Darcy
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RE: [Arches] Making an offline database from Arches, or some version of it

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Allison,
As far as I’m aware it’s perfectly possible to run the database on a single 
machine or over an internal network without the need to be online. I’m sure 
others on the forum will be able to give you more detailed answers, but this is 
my understanding.

Phil


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From: archesproject@googlegroups.com [mailto:archesproject@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Allison Lee
Sent: 18 September 2017 10:44
To: Arches Project
Subject: [Arches] Making an offline database from Arches, or some version of it

Hello everyone,

We have a request for Arches to function as an offline database, due to the 
limited broadband of one of our partners.  From my knowledge, there is no 
offline ability of Arches.  The only downloadable version is through exporting 
data to .SHP, .CSV, or .KML formats which act more as codes to communicate to 
Arches rather than readable data for people.  There doesn't seem to be any way 
to download Resource Reports either.

Does anyone have any suggestions for this?  If our partner wants to have an 
online heritage database (Arches) PLUS an offline database, what would you 
recommend?  Is there a way to download Resource Reports, perhaps to be stored 
in a hard drive?  I realize by taking the data offline, we will be losing 
features such as Related Resources.

Thanks for any comments!

Allison (Hong Kong)
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RE: [Arches] Adding nodes to resource graph

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Hiba,
The key to adding other nodes is to create branches and then add those to the 
root node.

So in essence you create a branch which has, as its own root node, the first 
node you are wanting to associate with the root node of a resource.

The good thing about this approach is that once you’ve created a branch you can 
re-use the same branch in as many different resources as you like.

I hope this helps

Phil

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From: archesproject@googlegroups.com [mailto:archesproject@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of hiba.b.alsm...@gmail.com
Sent: 04 July 2017 17:38
To: Arches Project
Subject: [Arches] Adding nodes to resource graph

Hi all,

I have two questions

Currently I'm trying to create a resource graph using arches version 4 , I 
created the root node and the required nodes that related to the root node.

Question 1 :  How can I add nodes to other nodes but not the root ? I tried but 
it doesn't add the node .

It shows the following message: "cant append a graph to a resource except at 
the root".

Question 2: How can I add a new list of drop down menus which not listed in the 
arches data management?

Thanks a lot
hiba
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RE: [Arches] Re: Resource graph - Related resources for node

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi both,
I think this is an example where the CRM-Inf extension would come in handy. See 
http://www.cidoc-crm.org/crminf/

Phil

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From: archesproject@googlegroups.com [mailto:archesproject@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Lee, Edmund
Sent: 12 January 2017 11:03
To: Arches Project
Subject: [Arches] Re: Resource graph - Related resources for node

Fascinating request Vince, thanks for raising it - I'd be interested to see how 
Arches handles this use case as well. It's a common heritage issue - either 
competing or equally valid interpretations of a given artefact or site based on 
the (always) limited evidence that archaeology provides. From my recording 
experience (way back when) a typical problem might be that aerial photography 
has identified a site as a crop-mark, but we don't have any dating evidence (so 
in the U.K. it could date from anywhere between say 4000 BCE or 2000 CE). It 
could be an IRON AGE / DEFENDED ENCLOSURE, or it could equally be a MID 
TWENTIETH CENTURY / ANTI AIRCRAFT BATTERY (a rather extreme example, but 
possible). For a user coming to that record, it would be helpful to have 
insight into which authority had suggested which interpretation.

Ed

On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 10:41:41 PM UTC, Vincent Meijer wrote:

Hi all,



I am working on an idea I have to record all interpretations made regarding a 
specific (heritage) resource.

I would like to relate the assignment of e.g. a cultural period or the use/type 
of an object (hide scraper, spear head, vase) or an object category (defensive 
structures, tools, jewelry) to an authority.

This authority can be an actor or a (to be created) academic reference, both 
resource graph types, rather than values in a regular dropdown/authority 
document.



I want this in particular because it is easier for my users to create a new 
resource than it is to add values to dropdowns via RDM. Also it seems to me 
that using the type of search queries CIDOC encourages (find unexpected 
relationships) would work better this way.



I came up with the following addition to HERITAGE_RESOURCE.E18 (new nodes are 
the ones sticking out in the top) for HERITAGE_RESOURCE_USE_TYPE_ASSIGNMENT.E17:

(ASSIGNMENT_AUTHORITY.E39 would hold a foreign key to the related resource.)

(Full res: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5r8wxmmppbQNTdGczg3cXZMLTg/view )

[https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qS5UO8cItIQ/WHazcQBUrnI/AAABZfY/iVt0P9ofQMAjjU66iKeTSxtMzna_TagigCLcB/s1600/HERITAGE_RESOURCE.E18.png]




My question is: has anybody done this type of relations before or has an idea 
how to do it?
Arches is currently written to have only relations between two complete 
resources, not between a node of a resource and a complete resource.
I get the feeling I should override the create_resource_relationship() function 
in Arches' resource.py, but perhaps I'm looking at it the wrong way.

Thank you in advance for any suggestions,

Vincent
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RE: [Arches] Adding domains to a 'name' entity

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Lucy,
There should be no problem with you modifying the graph to do this. In the CRM 
E48 Place Name specifically states that instances of E48 are usually subject to 
a gazetteer (E32).  The property P71 is valid for a domain of E32 and a range 
of E1 (ie. any CRM entity).

So instead of E48 P2 E55 –P71 E32 you can cut out the middle man and just have 
E48 -P71 E32.

In essence the E48 Administrative Subdivision is the dropdown (in the dame way 
E57 Material is the dropdown)

I hope this helps

Phil

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From: 'Lucy FJ' via Arches Project [mailto:archesproject@googlegroups.com]
Sent: 10 May 2016 11:22
To: Arches Project
Subject: [Arches] Adding domains to a 'name' entity

Hi all,

We are experiencing some programming difficulty with a customization, that I 
thought would be easy. We wish to add a domain, a drop down list to 
ADMINISTRATIVE_SUBDIVISION.E48 instead of allowing the user to input a free 
form name. The .E48 is linked with ADMINISTRATIVE_SUBDIVISION_TYPE.E55. We 
would only have one value in this subtypes  authority file.  In the 
ENTITY_X-ADOC file the .E48 would be linked with the .E32 authority document. 
In theory is it possible to do this? We realize we cannot add any more

We tried this but it did not appear to work (but could have been simply some 
programming bugs) so we created a new  type.E55 node and update that node 
instead.  However for various reasons this is not working and it does mean that 
the .E48 node is not being updated at all. I would prefer to go back to our 
first idea but will it work? It is not a standard Arches way of proceeding.

Thank you for any help,
Lucy
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RE: [Arches] Re: Is it possible to Add Two Parental Relationships using the Authority Files

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Bryan,
I normally import my authorities files using SKOS so I haven’t encountered this 
problem but I’m sure there must be a way to import polyhierarchies when 
uploading from csv.

One of the lovely people on this list will, I’m sure have the answer…..;-)

Phil

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From: archesproject@googlegroups.com [mailto:archesproject@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Bryan Alvey
Sent: 02 February 2016 12:11
To: Arches Project
Subject: [Arches] Re: Is it possible to Add Two Parental Relationships using 
the Authority Files

Hi Phil,

Yes, I know you can do it from inside the RDM.  But is there a way of 
expressing this relationship through the Authority Files?  From what I can see, 
you seem only to be able to have one line per entry in an authority file...

Best wishes,

Bryan


On Tuesday, 2 February 2016 11:55:22 UTC, Bryan Alvey wrote:
Hi Everyone,

I'm just checking to see if it is possible to add an extra  parental 
relationship when uploading from authority files:

I have Administrative Building as one entry; Religious Monument as another.

But the Dzongs of Bhutan are both administrative and religious.  Is there a way 
to express this in the Authority files?

Best wishes,


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RE: [Arches] Is it possible to Add Two Parental Relationships using the Authority Files

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Bryan,
Yes. The RDM supports polyhierarchical thesauri so if you say a Dzong is always 
an admin building and a religious monument then you can simply add an extra 
parent. Use ‘Manage Parents’ in the ‘Manage’ dropdown

What this means is that when you’re indexing (filling in the forms with 
reference data) you simply add Dzong. You don’t need to also add Admin 
Building/Religious building as this is implied through the hierarchy.

Phil

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From: archesproject@googlegroups.com [mailto:archesproject@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Bryan Alvey
Sent: 02 February 2016 11:55
To: Arches Project
Subject: [Arches] Is it possible to Add Two Parental Relationships using the 
Authority Files

Hi Everyone,

I'm just checking to see if it is possible to add an extra  parental 
relationship when uploading from authority files:

I have Administrative Building as one entry; Religious Monument as another.

But the Dzongs of Bhutan are both administrative and religious.  Is there a way 
to express this in the Authority files?

Best wishes,


Bryan
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RE: [Arches] Adding concepts to drop down lists through authority document load

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Lucy,
I'm afraid you have to add the concepts to the relevant dropdown yourself. 
Similarly if you've added any concepts to any of the pre-existing authority 
documents you'll need to add them to the dropdown as well.

The good news is you only have to add the highest level terms and their 
children will automatically be added as well.

Phil

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From: archesproject@googlegroups.com [mailto:archesproject@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Lucy FJ
Sent: 25 January 2016 09:01
To: Arches Project
Subject: [Arches] Adding concepts to drop down lists through authority document 
load

We have created new authority documents for new nodes and they are loading 
correctly and appearing in the concepts list but not in the drop down section 
of the RDM and therefore not in the input forms. We have used 'index' as the 
concept type and in every respect they look like the standard authority 
documents such as cultural period whose concepts do appear in the dropdown 
lists. What are we missing and what do we need to do? 

Thank you, Lucy

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RE: [Arches] Adding concepts to drop down lists through authority document load

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Lucy,
Sorry my misunderstanding. I thought you were simply talking about the addition 
of concepts to a dropdown but you're actually talking about the creation of a 
new dropdown.

Phil

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-Original Message-
From: Lucy Fletcher-Jones [mailto:luc...@aucegypt.edu] 
Sent: 25 January 2016 10:51
To: Carlisle, Philip; Arches Project
Cc: Mai Abdelaziz El Kady
Subject: Re: [Arches] Adding concepts to drop down lists through authority 
document load

Hi Phil,

Thank you for your reply, but I don't understand it. We have completely the 
changed the cultural period authority document, for instance, admittedly 
possibly with fewer concepts on it but it loads onto the drop down fine, 
likewise the keyword authority file. Is it where we've added additional 
concepts to an authority file, making it longer than before?

Lucy


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Subject: RE: [Arches] Adding concepts to drop down lists through authority 
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> Hi Lucy,
> I'm afraid you have to add the concepts to the relevant dropdown yourself. 
> Similarly if you've added any concepts to any of the pre-existing 
> authority documents you'll need to add them to the dropdown as well.
>
> The good news is you only have to add the highest level terms and 
> their children will automatically be added as well.
>
> Phil
>
> Phil Carlisle
> Data Standards Supervisor
> Data Standards Unit, Listing Group
> Historic England
> The Engine House
> Fire Fly Avenue
> Swindon
> SN2 2EH
> Tel: +44 (0)1793 414824
>
> http://thesaurus.historicengland.org.uk/
> http://www.heritagedata.org/blog/
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: archesproject@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:archesproject@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lucy FJ
> Sent: 25 January 2016 09:01
> To: Arches Project
> Subject: [Arches] Adding concepts to drop down lists through authority 
> document load
>
> We have created new authority documents for new nodes and they are 
> loading correctly and appearing in the concepts list but not in the 
> drop down section of the RDM and therefore not in the input forms. We 
> have used 'index' as the concept type and in every respect they look 
> like the standard authority documents such as cultural period whose 
> concepts do appear in the dropdown lists. What are we missing and what 
> do we need to do?
>
> Thank you, Lucy
>
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RE: [Arches] Need help with concepts localization

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Bojan,

As E56 Language is a subclass of type you can add another triple to your graph 
for NAME.E41-P2 has type – Language.E56

Description would be E62-P2-E56

For Title this would be Title.E35 - P72 has language (is language of) 
Language.E56

It’s slightly different for Title.E35 because unlike name (which is only a 
child of E90 Symbolic Object) Title.E35 is also a child of E33 Linguistic 
Object and can therefore use the P72 has language (is language of) property 
inherited from E33.

As to the language aspect in the RDM. As you can have a preferred term in each 
language it should be simple enough to programme it so that when you switch the 
language of the interface the preferred terms for that language take precedence 
in the authority file/look-up.

I say it should be simple. I’m not a programmer, I just build thesauri ;-)

Phil



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From: archesproject@googlegroups.com [mailto:archesproject@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Adam Lodge
Sent: 01 December 2015 00:18
To: Bojan Kastelic
Cc: Arches Project
Subject: Re: [Arches] Need help with concepts localization

There is nothing inbuilt to Arches to support that.  As far as Arches is 
concerned, the NAME entity type in and of itself is language-agnostic.

However, you might be able to craft a creative solution to meet your need using 
NAME_TYPE.E55.  You could, in theory, add languages to the NAME_TYPE.E55 
dropdown.

I’ll be interested to know what you come up with.

Adam


On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Bojan Kastelic wrote:
Adam, thanks for your efforts. I think there may be a way to achieve this with 
export/import schema in RDM, but I haven't tried this aproach yet.

I have one more question regarding this: is there a way to translate field 
names in search dropdown which doesn't have authority documents (for example: 
Name.E41, Title.E41, Description.E62, ...)?

Thanks, Bojan

On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 12:45:26 AM UTC+1, Adam Lodge wrote:
Bojan,

It is true that there is no way way to distinguish the language of one label 
versus another within the same authority document.  The authority document csv 
format was designed to sacrifice flexibility for ease of use.  I’ll put some 
thought on how to approach the problem of bulk loading many concepts in 
differing languages.

Adam

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On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Bojan Kastelic wrote:
Adam, thanks for quick reply.

Your solution works great when I have only one language, but my project have 
three languages! I've already implemented changing UI language from dropdown 
menu 'Languages' and that works great, but I want to change concepts labels in 
dropdown lists and report also.

I'll wait for Aleksei if he has some further advice about that.

I've also checked the code for importing concepts from authority files 
(authority_files.py) and I am afraid that all labels imports only for one 
language (settings.LANGUAGE_CODE). I hope there is another way to import 
concept labels in multiple languages.

Best, Bojan

On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 11:05:28 PM UTC+1, Adam Lodge wrote:
Hi Bojan,

The key here is going to be getting your new language added to the d_languages 
table, and setting the “isdefulat” value to true, and setting the existing 
en-us language set to false.  That way, Arches has a way to know that it should 
display labels from your language rather than english.

I understand from Alexei, however, that there may be a a bug in properly 
retrieving concepts for dropdowns in languages other than English. He has built 
a fix, but hasn’t tested it thoroughly enough to commit to the repo.  He will 
likely chime in with some further words to give you a path forward on that.

As far as importing authority documents in other languages - the key remains 
the same.  Arches assumes that your authority documents are in whatever you 
have deemed to be the default language.  Therefore, you want to make sure that 
your language is added to the d_languages table and it is set as the only 
default language before you import your auth docs.  The way I would do that is 
by modifying the db_data.sql file that runs on Arches install.  Look at line 24 
which is the one that populates english as the default language.  I would 
modify that statement with the following:

INSERT INTO d_languages VALUES (’[YL-01]', ‘[YOUR_LANGUAGE]', true);
INSERT INTO d_languages VALUES ('en-US', 'ENGLISH', false);

Best,
Adam

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On Monday, November 30, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Bojan Kastelic wrote:
Hi,
I'm working on localization of my Arches project and so far I have successfully 
implemented UI translations, but I 

RE: [Arches] Re: Authority Files and Mandatory Input Fields

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Lucy,
I hope all is well in Egypt. Here’s my thoughts.

1. Surely the grid references are being used to generate a geometry?  The 
E45. Address nodes should only be used for postal addresses.

2. Setting types can be used as you say.

3. Dynasty – this is fine. We use Victorian to specify the reign of Queen 
Victoria so there’s no reason why you can’t add the dynasties. Just make your 
vocabulary consistent and comprehensible. Maybe something like ‘Reign of 
Rameses II’ rather than just ‘Rameses II’
Phil

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From: archesproject@googlegroups.com [mailto:archesproject@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Lucinda Fletcher-Jones
Sent: 01 December 2015 07:58
To: Arches Project
Subject: Re: [Arches] Re: Authority Files and Mandatory Input Fields

Hi Phil,

I thought I'd posted a reply to this last week but I cannot see it in this 
thread. Thank you very much for your helpful input. I have a few other 
questions for you on standards.
1. Address node in Location, for a heritage resource: Understandably we have no 
street addresses for our Egyptian sites but we do have some map grid references 
which we need to input somewhere. I originally thought of using the external 
cross reference  node but as it is a location reference, it more properly 
belongs to the location data. Can we use the address node (E.45) for this 
purpose?

2. Also, we wish to use  'Setting types', Place Site Location (E.53) for 
environmental setting type of a site . e.g under lake Nasser!! I think this is 
correct usage?

3. We wish to add Dynasty and Ruler to our cultural period. Egyptology rarely 
uses real dates mostly date is defined by cultural period/dynasty/ruler. I wish 
to add the Dynasty as a new node related to cultural period (a subset?) and 
then relate the ruler to Dynasty. Is this correct? We have authority files for 
each.




On Tuesday, November 24, 2015 at 12:23:57 PM UTC+2, Carlisle, Philip wrote:
Hi Lucy,
You would be breaking the rules if you used the Type for your list but the way 
you’ve suggested is fine. I’d add ‘Governate’ as your only 
Administrative_Subdivision_Type.E55 but then associate a new authority file to 
the E48. As E48 is a Place Name and these are usually subject to a gazetteer 
then a E48- P71- E32 triple is acceptable where E32 is your Governate authority 
file.

Phil

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[mailto:arches...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lucy FJ
Sent: 24 November 2015 09:48
To: Arches Project
Subject: Re: [Arches] Re: Authority Files and Mandatory Input Fields

Hi Adam,

Thank you for your reply. On consideration, we don't wish to completely change 
the structure of the database, but we do wish to add new data fields (nodes and 
edges) and change some labels on the input forms.

 I do have a question on keeping to standards. On the Heritage Resource E18 
graph, Place, E53 has a branch to 'Administrative Sub division.E48' which has 
an 'Administrative_Subdivision_Type E.55 and a corresponding authority file. We 
would like to put in Egyptian Governorates  as our only administrative sub 
division and have a drop down list of those governorates. Can we simply use the 
'Administrative_Subdivision_Type.E55' for the list of Governorates, and remove 
the 'name' box on the form? It seems that this is bending the rules. 
Alternatively, do we need to remove the' Administrative Subdivision Type E55' 
and simply relate a mew authoirty file containing the governorates to the 
Administrative Subdivision.E48 node?


Thank you very much, Lucy
.

On Monday, November 16, 2015 at 5:45:54 PM UTC+2, Adam Cox wrote:
Hi Lucy, I'd recommend that you take a look at the graphs themselves, because 
they are the most important part of the database.  On the graphs, you'll see 
that there are authority documents at the end of many branches: the graphs 
define what authority documents must be included on install.

It really sounds like you are actually interested in redefining the structure 
of the database, which means modifying the graphs.  I've put together some 
information about that 
here<http://archesproject.org/implementation-considerations/>, so you can see 
what kind of level of effort it will take to accomplish that.  That said, if 
you do not want to modify the graphs, you could just make an authority document 
blank by deleting all of its content.  This will lead to some empty dropdown 
menus in the forms...

On Sunday, November 15, 2015 at 3:39:34 AM UTC-6, Lucy FJ wrote:
HI Adam,

Sorry for this late thank you but w

RE: [Arches] 43rd Computer Applications and Quantitative Methods in Archaeology Conference

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Marisa,
Some of us definitely are as we’re holding a roundtable session on Arches which 
you’re more than welcome to come along to.

Regards

Phil

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From: archesproject@googlegroups.com [mailto:archesproject@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Marisa Manghelli
Sent: 07 January 2015 01:01
To: archesproject@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Arches] 43rd Computer Applications and Quantitative Methods in 
Archaeology Conference

I was just wondering if anyone here is planning to attend the CAA conference 
this year?

43rd Computer Applications and Quantitative Methods in Archaeology “KEEP THE 
REVOLUTION GOING” Conference (CAA 2015 SIENA)

http://caaconference.org/

-Marisa
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RE: [Arches] Gephi graph issues

[Carlisle, Philip]

Gephi is a fickle mistress.

Hope you guys are well! Happy holidays and all that jazz!

Phil

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From: archesproject@googlegroups.com [mailto:archesproject@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Adam Cox
Sent: 18 December 2014 16:33
To: Adam Lodge
Cc: archesproject@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Arches] Gephi graph issues

Ah, ok.  The install was fine, but I found the issue.  I was opening the files 
through the dialog box in Gephi, and that was causing the problem.  When I just 
open the .gephi files through windows explorer, they open correctly in Gephi 
and I can edit them.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Adam Cox 
mr.adam...@gmail.commailto:mr.adam...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, on windows.  Let me reinstall gephi. I had to get the JDK as described 
here, https://forum.gephi.org/viewtopic.php?f=3t=3580p=10712#p10712 so maybe 
I messed something up along the way.  I also wanted to double-check that the 
files on the Arches site should work just fine...  Thanks!

On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Adam Lodge 
alo...@fargeo.commailto:alo...@fargeo.com wrote:
Adam,

We find that Gephi is most stable on Windows.  Are you running it on Windows or 
some other OS?

Adam

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On Thursday, December 18, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Adam Cox wrote:
Hello all,

I'm beginning to work on graphs, and would like to use gephi.  I downloaded the 
CDS .gephi files available on the Arches website, in order to test them out and 
try some modifications.  However, when I open them in Gephi an error says that 
they can't be opened, IllegalArgumentException - [255,255,255].  I can view 
the graph, and move nodes, but that's it--can't edit them.  I tried gephi 0.8.1 
and 0.8.2.  Thoughts?  Am I missing something?

Hope all is well, looking forward to the release of 3.0!
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RE: [Arches] Condition assessments

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Emma,
I think I can answer your non-techy questions.

Arches is designed to be able to record all the types of information about a 
monument, building or site. It's based on the Core Data Standard for 
Archaeological and Architectural Sites (originally developed by CIDOC and 
published by the Council of Europe).

Within the Arches graphs the place where you would record the Condition is in 
the Condition Type (data field). This is where you store the value which is 
taken from the relevant authority document (in this case CONDITION TYPE 
AUTHORITY DOCUMENT. An authority document is simply a controlled vocabulary 
which is being used to enforce data entry. This can be a nationally recognized 
thesaurus, such as the English Heritage Thesaurus of Monument Types or the 
Getty Art and Architecture Thesaurus, or it could simply be a wordlist defined 
by the user. So in this case you may want to define your own so that you had a 
simple list of 'Good', 'Fair', 'Bad'.

Where you might be confused is the use of the implied event.

The graphs are based on the CIDOC Conceptual Reference Model and this is an 
event-centric model, ie. nothing can exist without the event that created it.

So an implied event is an event where the details are not necessarily recorded 
but which is need for the semantics within the model to hold true.

For example we can say that we have a site which has a condition type of 
'Good'. We know it was good on certain date (01-Jan-2014) and the implied event 
is the condition assessment which actually took place on the 1st Jan 2014.

Here though we're not recording any other information about the actual event 
(eg. who did the assessment, whether it was part of a management activity etc)  
but we could, if we wanted to, create a condition assessment Activity with all 
the relevant information which we would then link to the site/monument/building.

So in essence the implied event node (the CONDITION ASSESSMENT node) is empty 
but is used to 'semantically glue' the site to the date and type.

You can add as many condition assessments as you like to a site. The minimum 
information for the site is up to you but we would recommend at least a name, 
geometry and site type/period.

I think images are currently being looked into by the development team but I 
think it should be possible to attach one to a condition.

I've been advising the project on the use of the standards and I was 
responsible for creating the original graphs so feel free to contact me if you 
want to talk through any of this.

Regards

Phil

Phil Carlisle
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Data Standards Unit, Designations Department
English Heritage
The Engine House
Fire Fly Avenue
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SN2 2EH
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From: archesproject@googlegroups.com [mailto:archesproject@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Emma Cunliffe
Sent: 16 April 2014 12:22
To: archesproject@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Arches] Condition assessments

Hi
I'm looking into options for condition assessments for sites rather than 
inventorying them specifically, and I've heard good things about ARCHES 
generally.  I noticed that the Glossary contains condition fields, but I then 
got a little unclear about how these relate to each other, and the wider 
database.

For example: what is the difference between a Node, a field and a controlled 
vocabularly?
What is an Implied Event?
Are Data Field Conditions or Information Themes Conditions fixed terms with 
clearly defined meanings, and in which case, where would I find the terms that 
can be input to see what they cover?
Can multiple condition assessments be entered in order to record changes in 
state?
Can pictures be attached to any of these fields?
Do they deal with risk?

Lastly, how much other data must be entered on the record in order for it to be 
useable?  What is the minimum that can be entered?

If this is all listed somewhere, please just point me in the right direction - 
I got myself a little confused on the website and wasn't sure where I should be 
looking!

Thank you very much for any assistance you are able to provide.
Kind regards
Dr E Cunliffe

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RE: [Arches] uncertain information in Arches

[Carlisle, Philip]

Hi Tobias,
Yes, Geoff's option is equally valid to the P3.E62 and obviously allows you to 
type the uncertainty. As I think Dennis mentioned the addition of certainty 
types to any of the nodes (following the P2.E55 route) is perfectly valid (with 
the addition of a -P71 lists (is listed in) E32.Uncertainty Authority Document).

Phil

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English Heritage
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From: archesproject@googlegroups.com [mailto:archesproject@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Tobias Kohr
Sent: 31 March 2014 14:52
To: archesproject@googlegroups.com
Cc: 'Tobias Kohr'; thomas.enge...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Arches] uncertain information in Arches

Hi Phil,

thanks for the feedback!

We totally agree that it doesn't make sense to model whether a site has finds 
or not. Our situation is a little different though, which I didn't express very 
clearly.
In our case we are often rather unsure if a find or feature belongs to the 
phase that the site has been dated to, based on other finds/features.
Two hypothetical examples:
- Let's say we are sure that the ceramics found at site A belong to our 
interpretation of the site, but we are unsure if the burials that were found at 
the site do, as well.
- Or we might be sure that one feature of the site is a post hole, but we are 
not sure that the other feature can be interpreted as a ditch or as a pit.

Then we might try to model our uncertainty using the P3 (has note) - E62 
(String) route or the P2 (has type) - E55 (Type) route as proposed by Geoff 
Carver in the Antiquist list: 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=enfromgroups=#!topic/antiquist/w0R9VXDk5U4

Thanks again for any further thoughts!

Best,
Tobias

On Monday, March 31, 2014 12:26:11 PM UTC+2, Phil Carlisle wrote:
Hi Tobias, Thomas et al,

It is perfectly valid to assign a level of certainty to an interpretation of a 
site/find. Thus a type assignment of PIT with a note of 'Uncertain' or a phase 
type assignment of 'Medieval' with a '?' is fine and indeed we (English 
Heritage) use something similar.

However I noticed on the Antiquist list that Tobias has used the example of 
wanting to model the uncertainty of whether a site may have finds or not. Is 
that right or have I misunderstood?

As far as I'm aware the CRM cannot model this situation and in fact would argue 
against modelling it at all. If you are certain that a site is an 
ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITE you can record it as such but if it is unexcavated and you 
are just conjecturing what it may contain then that should just be a note in 
the description.

So I think that if you are modelling the uncertainty of an interpretation then 
you can use the P3-E62 route but you can't really model the uncertainty of the 
existence of a thing using the CRM.

I hope this helps, and others may have different opinions!

Phil



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English Heritage
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SN2 2EH
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From: arches...@googlegroups.comjavascript: 
[mailto:arches...@googlegroups.comjavascript:] On Behalf Of Tobias Kohr
Sent: 28 March 2014 14:33
To: arches...@googlegroups.comjavascript:
Cc: thomas@gmail.comjavascript:
Subject: Re: [Arches] uncertain information in Arches

Hi Dennis,

thanks for your quick response!

Working together with Thomas, in fact one option that came to our mind was to 
attach certainty nodes to the entities where we need them (Component.E18 and 
Phase Type Assignment.E17 in our case) to technically implement uncertainty in 
Arches.
We are struggling, however, to find an entity type in CIDOC CRM that seems 
adequate for modelling certainties. The only type that seems a possibility to 
us here is E59 Primitive Value / E62 String.
So, conceptually we ask ourselves if there is a more adequate CIDOC type (which 
is designed for modelling certainties). And philosophically we are not sure if 
it doesn't contradict the idea of a  E18 Physical Thing (Component.E18) to 
possess an attribute that expresses (un-)certainty of existence. We appreciate 
any comments or hints on these thoughts!

Best,
Tobias

On Thursday, March 27, 2014 10:36:05 PM UTC+1, Dennis Wuthrich wrote:
Thomas,

Good question!  You are quite correct that we haven't tried to include 
uncertainty in Arches.

One reason is pretty basic: certainty is quite subjective from person to 
person.  For example: most people agree that the earth is spherical.  But a 
flat-earther may be very certain that the earth is not a sphere, but is 
instead a plane.  His certainty does not make him correct, it merely states the 
degree to which he believes in his