[AsburyPark] Re: Huge News in TCN tomorrow!!
Dear Debbie, I didn't know that you and your partner, didn't own the place! I've always enjoyed myself, when there and I've never had a bad time there. It's a really GREAT business, the atmosphere, the food and the ambience. I really think it's unfortunate for the City. Why was it sold to the Partners? Everything they buy, gets torn down! Why don't they just let them buy up the whole city and tear it down? They seem to be running everything including the City! If there is anything I can do, please let me know! Anything! I'm heartbroken! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Lance and Debbie
You call it, I'll be there! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok then I have a proposal - something we can all get behind, no matter what our divergent political backgrounds are. Let's start a petition, and have as many people appear at council meetings as possible, and respectfully request of Asbury Partners that Lance Debbie be allowed to stay as tenants and stay open, right until the day they are going to knock it down for condos - that day is probably pretty far away. TriCity will editorialize about it. I'm sure the Coaster will too. Together I bet we can make it happen. We can make a good case. The loss of places like the Wonder Bar is a price we told ourselves we would pay for redevelopment, and we new it would hurt. Let's ease the pain by keeping it for as long as we can. Wonder Bar is like no other. Lance and Debbie are part of the SOAP scene. Stone Pony and Deep are not - currently they book acts that are too young for folks like me, and are run by folks that I feel, frankly, don't know the old scene because they don't remember. Lance and Debbie are a treasure and when they go, that old Asbury scene is gone. The Wonder Bar should be nursed out, not euthenized suddenly. Whether Lance and Debbie can be given a new spot in the redevelopment area is an issue we can tackle another time. What do you say. Will you join me? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: If there is no Wonder Bar run by Debbie and Lance in Asbury Park, the city's future will not be as bright as it could be. Should the WB close, it will be a sad day indeed. A really great effort. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Lance and Debbie
Competing with the Saint? That sucks! I'm a little older than all of you, but I certainly like the acts that Lance and Debbie have at their place. I just love the atmosphere, not to mention the food. The Partners, will never get my business, if they Bo-Gart, everyone else around! Not good business! I always feel safe at the WB! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: also, dont copare club deep and the stone pony in the same sentence!!! haha. im not too big of a fan of club deep, that place sucks in my oppinon. when it first opened it was different, but now it seems to be booking only hardcore metal or punk shows. for those that like that, its great. but me, and others who dont. not so good. most places book a pretty wide range of things, but not them. i dont know whats going on over there. i dont see that place lasting too long, once things pick up on the ocean ave/ boardwalk development. not sure if asbury parnters is going to want meltal kids, and harecore death metal kids walking around alll over the boardwalk and sidewalks in a prime locatoin like deep. (this is why i assumed asbury parnters didnt operate the club, and only souly owned the building. so if its true that asbury parnters owns club deep, they clerly arent operating it. people came in, and offered to operate it? do you think larry fishman, or anyone asscoiated with him is booking these events, and what not? i doubt it.) - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: save the wonder bar petition
Signed and commented! Every word you wrote is true! Thank You! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, lightgrw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy, AsburyMusic.com and Upstage are already ahead of ya! Hope we can count on your support. We've got an online petition up at: http://www.asburymusic.com/petition The Wonder Bar has been a huge supporter of Upstage Magazine from our first issue. The Wonder Bar and Upstage Magazine got going at around the same time. When we ran into financial troubles a few months after starting out, the Wonder Bar lent us the club for a very special all-day benefit show. In addition to helping us out, the Wonder Bar has been a host of benefits for just about every non-profit group in the area from the Boys Girls Club to the Monmouth County SPCA. There have been some very special nights at the Wonder Bar - nights like the benefit for Sgt. Maurice Craft. So many people owe Lance and Debbie and the Pats for their support through the years. I'm hoping that everyone who benefited from the club signs the petition along with every artist who got the chance to play there. We can argue all we want about whether or not it's right to save a club, but this isn't just a club. The Wonder Bar is one of the best things to be redeveloped in Asbury Park during the last decade. They turned an ugly box of a building into a beautiful, prosperous restaurant/club. They've got regular crowds eating and drinking there every night all year long - that's not something easy to say in Asbury Park. Even with the construction of the past 6-8 months, people found a way to make it to the Wonder Bar. Why? Because they ran it the way the Stone Pony was run for many, many years. It was a family. The people who worked there and the patrons who visited there were all family. And the Wonder Bar is not just part of Asbury Park's family, but it truly has become the community center in times of need. You cannot replace all of the good the Wonder Bar has done for the town. Asbury Park deserves a place like this next to Convention Hall much more than a bunch of condos. If the Wonder Bar gets demolished and replaced with housing than we're pushing the knife further into the chest of Convention Hall and the Paramount. For those venues to be successful, restaurants are needed in that area. And since the Wonder Bar is a proven success, why not let it stay where it is? So, please sign this petition and hopefully we all can save the Wonder Bar! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Help Lance and Debbie
Don't you think they will do that anyway? Isn't it better for Partners to get rent than have an empty building? Some life along the water will help with condo sales as well. - Original Message From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:23:10 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Help Lance and Debbie Ok then I have a proposal - something we can all get behind, no matter what our divergent political backgrounds are. Let's start a petition, and have as many people appear at council meetings as possible, and respectfully request of Asbury Partners that Lance Debbie be allowed to stay as tenants and stay open, right until the day they are going to knock it down for condos - that day is probably pretty far away. TriCity will editorialize about it. I'm sure the Coaster will too. Together I bet we can make it happen. We can make a good case. The loss of places like the Wonder Bar is a price we told ourselves we would pay for redevelopment, and we new it would hurt. Let's ease the pain by keeping it for as long as we can. Wonder Bar is like no other. Lance and Debbie are part of the SOAP scene. Stone Pony and Deep are not - currently they book acts that are too young for folks like me, and are run by folks that I feel, frankly, don't know the old scene because they don't remember. Lance and Debbie are a treasure and when they go, that old Asbury scene is gone. The Wonder Bar should be nursed out, not euthenized suddenly. Whether Lance and Debbie can be given a new spot in the redevelopment area is an issue we can tackle another time. What do you say. Will you join me? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: If there is no Wonder Bar run by Debbie and Lance in Asbury Park, the city's future will not be as bright as it could be. Should the WB close, it will be a sad day indeed. A really great effort. 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Lance and Debbie
Tommy, With all due respect, it kind've bums me out that within the talk of saving the Wonder Bar, which I support, there's other things being mentioned about Deep and The Stone Pony not being part of the scene. Those places have their own scene. It may not be what you are into, but it doesn't make those places any less viable. The Stone Pony has always packed in the people, and I think they do a pretty good job in booking acts that are in line with what's current today. Same goes for The Saint, where I work. In my opinion, the whole of the Asbury music scene needs to be preserved. Even though the Sound of Asbury is widely known, for many years venues like the Stone Pony, The Saint and Asbury Lanes have continued the tradition of being the only venues in the Jersey Shore area, and Monmouth County as well that continue to showcase new and original music from local as well as national bands. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't you think they will do that anyway? Isn't it better for Partners to get rent than have an empty building? Some life along the water will help with condo sales as well. - Original Message From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:23:10 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Help Lance and Debbie Ok then I have a proposal - something we can all get behind, no matter what our divergent political backgrounds are. Let's start a petition, and have as many people appear at council meetings as possible, and respectfully request of Asbury Partners that Lance Debbie be allowed to stay as tenants and stay open, right until the day they are going to knock it down for condos - that day is probably pretty far away. TriCity will editorialize about it. I'm sure the Coaster will too. Together I bet we can make it happen. We can make a good case. The loss of places like the Wonder Bar is a price we told ourselves we would pay for redevelopment, and we new it would hurt. Let's ease the pain by keeping it for as long as we can. Wonder Bar is like no other. Lance and Debbie are part of the SOAP scene. Stone Pony and Deep are not - currently they book acts that are too young for folks like me, and are run by folks that I feel, frankly, don't know the old scene because they don't remember. Lance and Debbie are a treasure and when they go, that old Asbury scene is gone. The Wonder Bar should be nursed out, not euthenized suddenly. Whether Lance and Debbie can be given a new spot in the redevelopment area is an issue we can tackle another time. What do you say. Will you join me? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ . wrote: If there is no Wonder Bar run by Debbie and Lance in Asbury Park, the city's future will not be as bright as it could be. Should the WB close, it will be a sad day indeed. A really great effort. 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Lance and Debbie
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you say. Will you join me? I'm in. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: im not taking either side, i know what from i see. it is a true fact that asbury partners dont live up to time lines and alwasy seem to find a sneaky way of doing things. however, when it comes to the activity on the boardwalk, retail etc, things are moving along just as they said it would. Sorry Chuck, but I respectfully disagree. I don;t think there is anyone in AP who would suggest that they thought the boardwalk and pavillions would still be in this condition 5 years after the MOU and more than 4 years after the actual deal. The original council members who approved that deal knew they made a mistake on the pavillions and timelines. That is first hand info. I am not whipping anyone for that right now. But you are wrong. I also heard it from first hand that Partners will not put its own money into anything. They are here to flip. That's why it has taken so long and will continue to be postponed until they come up with partners (retail, entertainment, residential) for each component or until the city forces the issue. We've punched their dance card but they simply will not dance. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Lance and Debbie
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: right, they may have the same mangers. but larry fishamn, asbur parnters arnt the ones running the place technicaly. they have a manager, like most places do. i dont think larry is standing there by her side telling her who and when to book events. Nonetheless, he is responsible. He owns it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: ch-ch-ch-ch-changes
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Traderdube [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a quote from DanA huge let down that people were sold on a crusade to Save the Baronet. I thought it was courageous of Pat et al to embark on it in the first place. But people, including myself, got hyped for apparently nothing. What ever happened to the letter from Fishman promising to save it? Will these be more demolitions But that is less than half the story. It is obvious to many of us that the WB, the Baronet, et al will do more than enough business given the opportunity. And we are being offered and given the opportunity to do just that. The letter Dan is referring to spurred our deal with the partners and thankfully, the NEW waterfront developer has been active in negotiations. Well let me then apologize if you thought I was saying that you, Pat and others are guilty of this. And if the Baronet et al go on for a few years, and perhaps, as I hope for the Baronet, to be saved forever, then I was wrong and it was not in vain. Thanks for trying. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
Dan, a couple of years ago I would have disagreed with you. But now I'm in your camp on their performance. Everything is dragged out. Every promise that is gleefully made becomes another fight to get implemented. Yes there has been progress. Yes it is much better than it was before. But the pace has been extremely disapointing and I have heard many proactive words from AP but few real proactive initiatives beyond paint and glue. PS. Still waiting for that Madison Marquette announcement that was due any day two weeks ago... I smell trouble here. There is really no reason for this to take so long and I think it is just another example of AP working harder to extract every single penny they can out of every negotation vs. agreeing to something that is mutually beneficial and getting it done. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard oceanchuck@ wrote: im not taking either side, i know what from i see. it is a true fact that asbury partners dont live up to time lines and alwasy seem to find a sneaky way of doing things. however, when it comes to the activity on the boardwalk, retail etc, things are moving along just as they said it would. Sorry Chuck, but I respectfully disagree. I don;t think there is anyone in AP who would suggest that they thought the boardwalk and pavillions would still be in this condition 5 years after the MOU and more than 4 years after the actual deal. The original council members who approved that deal knew they made a mistake on the pavillions and timelines. That is first hand info. I am not whipping anyone for that right now. But you are wrong. I also heard it from first hand that Partners will not put its own money into anything. They are here to flip. That's why it has taken so long and will continue to be postponed until they come up with partners (retail, entertainment, residential) for each component or until the city forces the issue. We've punched their dance card but they simply will not dance. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS. Still waiting for that Madison Marquette announcement that was due any day two weeks ago... I smell trouble here. There is really no reason for this to take so long and I think it is just another example of AP working harder to extract every single penny they can out of every negotation vs. agreeing to something that is mutually beneficial and getting it done. Scott I have some info but have been sworn to secrecy which I must respect. Everyone has to STOP fooling themselves. I am really serious. Partners will do nothing. They don't know how and don't want to. I will be honest with you. While I disagree with the amounts I have heard for the Casino, CH, it is still a substantial amount of money to be invested there. Difficult to make a return just owning the retail, although, if done right (historic tax credits, etc.) it can be done. That is why, although not explicit, the quid pro quo for dumping money on the waterfront was to be able to sell/develop the residential portion. Now you have a problem with someone just owning the retail (from their point of view). No one (including MM) has any faith in Partners. They do not deserve it and have not earned it. I repeat. This is not what they do. They have never done it. They just don't do real estate. The entire build out should be near half way done already. That's counting in all the approvals they needed (CAFRA, etc.). I begged Bruno in the parking lot the other night to find a way to get rid of Partners. They are killing us. Many want them out. I gave them the key again. The easiest way may be to buy them out. I told the city - put togther a real developer's group to put the money up and Partners takes a powder. The only problem is that Partners has to be realistic and that's where the city comes in. I opened up my remarks at the council meeting asking if this thing is just a big joke. It is absolutely ridiculous. The city keeps listening to Aaron who with Weldon and Faiella orchestrated this mess. The city is finding it hard how to get out. They never will if they keep listening to Aaron. The fox is in the hen house. Pay off Faiella to get Partners out. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
Sorry Chuck, but I respectfully disagree. I don;t think there is anyone in AP who would suggest that they thought the boardwalk and pavillions would still be in this condition 5 years after the MOU and more than 4 years after the actual deal. The original council members who approved that deal knew they made a mistake on the pavillions and timelines. That is first hand info. I am not whipping anyone for that right now. But you are wrong. I also heard it from first hand that Partners will not put its own money into anything. They are here to flip. That's why it has taken so long and will continue to be postponed until they come up with partners (retail, entertainment, residential) for each component or until the city forces the issue. We've punched their dance card but they simply will not dance. i was just stating some thoughts and ideas. im not wrong, i clearly said i wasnt taking either side. i too thought things would have progressed more in the last 4 or 5 years. but im not sure it was too big of a secret that asbury partners were about flipping land for re sale. that fact becasme obvious a few years ago. heres another thought though, they said the project is expected to take 10 years? so, going by what was said, having residential come first. i wouldnt have expected too much retail, or entertainment action taking place till the very end. year 8-10 at the least. - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
so, going by what was said, having residential come first. i wouldnt have expected too much retail, or entertainment action taking place till the very end. year 8-10 at the least. I'm not sure why you wouldn't want at least a portion of the retail and entertainment in place early on to attract the interest of people to the condos. Why wait until the end?
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
You know what cracks me up about this 8-10 year thing? At the WTC site in NYC, they have a bunch of building slated to be completed in half that time. Same thing for the Coney Island redevelopment. Even the plans for big changes at the Meadowlands were slated to be completed in a fraction of that time. Asbury Park no longer has time on it's side... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard oceanchuck@ wrote: i wouldnt have expected too much retail, or entertainment action taking place till the very end. year 8-10 at the least. Ass backwards in other words? Ha ha. Know what the current realization is (glad they woke up)? That there is not enough retail on Ocean and none on Kingsley. Remember some of saying canyon of condos? Expect the plan to be reworked to include more retail. At this rate they will never make the 10 years. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Lance and Debbie
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard they have a 18month lease Don't you think they will do that anyway? Isn't it better for Partners to get rent than have an empty building? Some life along the water will help with condo sales as well. - Original Message From: justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 7:23:10 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Help Lance and Debbie Ok then I have a proposal - something we can all get behind, no matter what our divergent political backgrounds are. Let's start a petition, and have as many people appear at council meetings as possible, and respectfully request of Asbury Partners that Lance Debbie be allowed to stay as tenants and stay open, right until the day they are going to knock it down for condos - that day is probably pretty far away. TriCity will editorialize about it. I'm sure the Coaster will too. Together I bet we can make it happen. We can make a good case. The loss of places like the Wonder Bar is a price we told ourselves we would pay for redevelopment, and we new it would hurt. Let's ease the pain by keeping it for as long as we can. Wonder Bar is like no other. Lance and Debbie are part of the SOAP scene. Stone Pony and Deep are not - currently they book acts that are too young for folks like me, and are run by folks that I feel, frankly, don't know the old scene because they don't remember. Lance and Debbie are a treasure and when they go, that old Asbury scene is gone. The Wonder Bar should be nursed out, not euthenized suddenly. Whether Lance and Debbie can be given a new spot in the redevelopment area is an issue we can tackle another time. What do you say. Will you join me? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ . wrote: If there is no Wonder Bar run by Debbie and Lance in Asbury Park, the city's future will not be as bright as it could be. Should the WB close, it will be a sad day indeed. A really great effort. __ __ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
I have hear the same complaints from the WTC site. Site has been cleared since 2002 and still no buildings. - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:58:05 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Another You know what cracks me up about this 8-10 year thing? At the WTC site in NYC, they have a bunch of building slated to be completed in half that time. Same thing for the Coney Island redevelopment. Even the plans for big changes at the Meadowlands were slated to be completed in a fraction of that time. Asbury Park no longer has time on it's side... --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] . wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, charlie leonard oceanchuck@ wrote: i wouldnt have expected too much retail, or entertainment action taking place till the very end. year 8-10 at the least. Ass backwards in other words? Ha ha. Know what the current realization is (glad they woke up)? That there is not enough retail on Ocean and none on Kingsley. Remember some of saying canyon of condos? Expect the plan to be reworked to include more retail. At this rate they will never make the 10 years. 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And No final plan. I have hear the same complaints from the WTC site. Site has been cleared since 2002 and still no buildings. - Original Message From: Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 1:58:05 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Another You know what cracks me up about this 8-10 year thing? At the WTC site in NYC, they have a bunch of building slated to be completed in half that time. Same thing for the Coney Island redevelopment. Even the plans for big changes at the Meadowlands were slated to be completed in a fraction of that time. Asbury Park no longer has time on it's side... --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ . wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, charlie leonard oceanchuck@ wrote: i wouldnt have expected too much retail, or entertainment action taking place till the very end. year 8-10 at the least. Ass backwards in other words? Ha ha. Know what the current realization is (glad they woke up)? That there is not enough retail on Ocean and none on Kingsley. Remember some of saying canyon of condos? Expect the plan to be reworked to include more retail. At this rate they will never make the 10 years. __ __ 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [AsburyPark] Re: save the wonder bar petition
I do not know how to thank each and every one of you who has pledged their support to keep The Wonder Bar open. Lance and I were overwhelmed when we read so many kind words and appreciate the fact that you have taken time out of your busy schedules to try and help us out. We are very grateful and honored to bein your thoughts and to be part of the community that really cares about each other! Thank You SO Much---Lance and Debbie From: "2fine4u" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comTo: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comSubject: [AsburyPark] Re: save the wonder bar petitionDate: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 11:39:40 - Signed and commented! Every word you wrote is true! Thank You!--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, "lightgrw" [EMAIL PROTECTED]. wrote: Tommy, AsburyMusic.com and Upstage are already ahead of ya! Hope we can count on your support. We've got an online petition up at: http://www.asburymusic.com/petition The Wonder Bar has been a huge supporter of Upstage Magazine from our first issue. The Wonder Bar and Upstage Magazine got going at around the same time. When we ran into financial troubles a few months after starting out, the Wonder Bar lent us the club for a very special all-day benefit show. In addition to helping us out, the Wonder Bar has been a host of benefits for just about every non-profit group in the area from the Boys Girls Club to the Monmouth County SPCA. There have been some very special nights at the Wonder Bar - nights like the benefit for Sgt. Maurice Craft. So many people owe Lance and Debbie and the Pats for their support through the years. I'm hoping that everyone who benefited from the club signs the petition along with every artist who got the chance to play there. We can argue all we want about whether or not it's right to "save" a club, but this isn't just a club. The Wonder Bar is one of the best things to be redeveloped in Asbury Park during the last decade. They turned an ugly box of a building into a beautiful, prosperous restaurant/club. They've got regular crowds eating and drinking there every night all year long - that's not something easy to say in Asbury Park. Even with the construction of the past 6-8 months, people found a way to make it to the Wonder Bar. Why? Because they ran it the way the Stone Pony was run for many, many years. It was a family. The people who worked there and the patrons who visited there were all family. And the Wonder Bar is not just part of Asbury Park's family, but it truly has become the community center in times of need. You cannot replace all of the good the Wonder Bar has done for the town. Asbury Park deserves a place like this next to Convention Hall much more than a bunch of condos. If the Wonder Bar gets demolished and replaced with housing than we're pushing the knife further into the chest of Convention Hall and the Paramount. For those venues to be successful, restaurants are needed in that area. And since the Wonder Bar is a proven success, why not let it stay where it is? So, please sign this petition and hopefully we all can save the Wonder Bar! __._,_.___ SPONSORED LINKS Asbury park nj real estate United state flag Asbury park nj Asbury park real estate United state travel Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have hear the same complaints from the WTC site. Site has been cleared since 2002 and still no buildings. I think you'd be hard pressed to compare the two situations. I am still personally involved with the insurance claims there. That was the site of the biggest attack on US soil. Thousands of souls obliterated, never to find their remains, including one of my best friends. I think the delay of the redevelopment, and I agree it is now delayed, has more subtantial reasons than the lack of progress shown by Partners. There is no comparison for the reasons for delay. BTW, in doing the rebuilding scenarios, it is estimated that in would take 8 years to reconstruct the WTC using the same materials, techniques etc. The lack of progress in AP is for no other reason than Partners. Not hallowed ground. Not an entire section of a large city's infrastructure turned uside down, etc. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Salvation Army
New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com They need Salvation from Army By JUAN GONZALEZ DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER Friday, January 19th, 2007 The Salvation Army, the second-largest charity in America, is quietly evicting nearly 200 women, many of them elderly and low-income, from a pair of 18-story Manhattan buildings. Tenant leaders at the two single-room occupancy hotels, the Ten Eyck- Troughton Residence on E. 39th St. and the Parkside Evangeline at Gramercy Park, say officials from the charity have been harassing them for months and have already frightened many long-term residents into moving out. On Tuesday, lawyers for the charity hand-delivered 30-day eviction notices as a prelude to selling the buildings. State Sen. Liz Krueger (D-Manhattan), a former tenant advocate, says the Salvation Army is callously trying to cash in on Manhattan's sizzling real estate market. She claims the group is taking advantage of the charity's exemption from rent-stabilization laws. Those laws would normally give tenants certain protections from eviction in a building sale. The clear implication is that the Salvation Army is being downright greedy. That's a very negative way of looking at a service organization, said Laura DeBuys, director of communications for the Salvation Army of Greater New York. We're going to redeploy our assets and move them to where they can do the most good. The 276-unit Gramercy Park building could go for more than $100 million, while the larger Ten Eyck building is expected to fetch a slightly lower price. The buildings were originally donated to the Salvation Army decades ago specifically to provide housing for women of modest income. Many of the residents are working women who pay between $1,000 and $1,200 a month for a room, with tenants sharing common bathrooms for each floor. We're all being harassed, said Princess Usanga, president of the tenants association at the Parkside. Some of these women have been here for 20 and 30 years. Where will they go? You would think the charity had enough money, considering they got a $1.5 billion grant a few years ago from Joan Kroc, widow of McDonald's magnate Ray Kroc. The money was earmarked to build 25 community centers around the country, DeBuys said. But now the Salvation Army says it must raise more money to operate those centers, one of which will be on Staten Island. New York is notorious for having some ruthless landlords, but several housing advocates said this week they have rarely seen the kind of tactics used by the Salvation Army. About 8 p.m. Wednesday, for example, Ellie Van Savage heard a loud knock at the door of her tiny rented room in the Ten Eyck Residence for Women. Van Savage opened the door to find the building's manager and four total strangers standing in her doorway. One of the strangers - a Salvation Army lawyer - handed her a 30-day eviction notice. Another stranger who was carrying a video camera then proceeded, without uttering a word, to film Van Savage receiving the notice. I was totally shocked and shaken by the whole thing, Savage said yesterday. The same day, nearly 200 other women at the Ten Eyck and the Parkside Evangeline Residence were confronted with the same knock on the door, the same 30-day eviction notice, and the same Fellini-like stranger with a video camera. Michelle Leone also got a nighttime visit. She's a U.S. Navy veteran battling cancer. I was sick most of last year so the Salvation Army wouldn't accept me in any of its other residences without any income, she said last night. I can't sleep worrying about being homeless. The charity relocated some of the oldest residents to another SRO it owns on the upper West Side, but has offered no relocation assistance to most of the women. We're dealing with each resident on an individual basis, DeBuys said, but she refused to explain what kind of help the charity was offering. They fund-raise at Christmastime to prevent people from being evicted from their homes, and here they are evicting all these women themselves, Krueger said yesterday. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] What Preservation is All About
Excerpt from a piece published in... New York Times - January 1, 2007 Folly's Antidote By ARTHUR M. SCHLESINGER Jr. MANY signs point to a growing historical consciousness among the american people. I trust that this is so. It is useful to remember that history is to the nation as memory is to the individual. As persons deprived of memory become disoriented and lost, not knowing where they have been and where they are going, so a nation denied a conception of the past will be disabled in dealing with its present and its future. The longer you look back, said Winston Churchill, the farther you can look forward. -- I've been giving a lot of thought as to why the role of history/preservation is so misunderstood in Asbury Park. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
Ass backwards in other words? Ha ha. Know what the current realization is (glad they woke up)? That there is not enough retail on Ocean and none on Kingsley. Remember some of saying canyon of condos? Expect the plan to be reworked to include more retail. At this rate they will never make the 10 years. ive heard about this, but never had real info on it. i havnt been to up to date in recent times. there is real talk about adding morie retail on ocean? and adding on kinglsy street?? wow, thats good if its true. is it being worked on now? or no .. - The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.
[AsburyPark] Re: What Preservation is All About
Here here! Another great thing about preservation is that it helps to prevent the homogenized sameness that plagues America. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excerpt from a piece published in... New York Times - January 1, 2007 Folly's Antidote By ARTHUR M. SCHLESINGER Jr. MANY signs point to a growing historical consciousness among the american people. I trust that this is so. It is useful to remember that history is to the nation as memory is to the individual. As persons deprived of memory become disoriented and lost, not knowing where they have been and where they are going, so a nation denied a conception of the past will be disabled in dealing with its present and its future. The longer you look back, said Winston Churchill, the farther you can look forward. -- I've been giving a lot of thought as to why the role of history/preservation is so misunderstood in Asbury Park. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
I'm not sure why you wouldn't want at least a portion of the retail and entertainment in place early on to attract the interest of people to the condos. Why wait until the end? i was just quoting what was said, and estimating a time frame of when this so called retail would be started in my mind. i understand why they, or maybe a few other developers would wnat to have condos in place before they touch any form of retail. it makes sence. you want the bl0cks, or at least a few looking lived in, and complete. you dont want people driving through bare empty lots to get to a thriving boardwalk. however, i think as of now, once nort beach, wesly grove and the c8 lot are completed, some form of perminate retail should begin. i wouldnt want for more condos to be built, thats rediculous in my mind. the three residentail properties are enough in my mind to show life. and now that all the roadwalk, sidewalks, new lights are in place, soon through out the entire waterfront distrcit. i think the whole area looks good, even with teh empty lots. - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ive heard about this, but never had real info on it. i havnt been to up to date in recent times. there is real talk about adding morie retail on ocean? and adding on kinglsy street?? wow, thats good if its true. is it being worked on now? or no .. Let me just say that some looking to jump in see it as a needed change. Hopefully there will not be a Mexican standoff. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: save the wonder bar petition
Debbie, We've had around 250 people sign the petition in the first 15-20 hours or so. Name are from all over the country as well as a handful of names from England. If anyone is interested in signing the online petition, it's located at: http://www.asburymusic.com/petition -Gary Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
This is just a question. What retail do you all think would be benefical to Ocean and Kingsley? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard oceanchuck@ wrote: ive heard about this, but never had real info on it. i havnt been to up to date in recent times. there is real talk about adding morie retail on ocean? and adding on kinglsy street?? wow, thats good if its true. is it being worked on now? or no .. Let me just say that some looking to jump in see it as a needed change. Hopefully there will not be a Mexican standoff. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: save the wonder bar petition
Gary, I have a flickr photo site that is viewed from all over the world. With your permission, I would like to post a picture from asburymusic.com with some notes asking others to sign the petition. Thanks, Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Debbie, We've had around 250 people sign the petition in the first 15-20 hours or so. Name are from all over the country as well as a handful of names from England. If anyone is interested in signing the online petition, it's located at: http://www.asburymusic.com/petition -Gary Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: save the wonder bar petition
Gary, I have a flickr photo site that is viewed from all over the world. With your permission, I would like to post a picture from asburymusic.com with some notes asking others to sign the petition. Thanks, Glenn I'm guessing you're talking about taking a screen shot, right? Feel free to link people the petition. -Gary
[AsburyPark] linking to the wonder bar petition
If anybody wants to link to the online Wonder Bar petition, please do so. You may also use this graphic which we put up on our websites if you want. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
This is just a question. What retail do you all think would be benefical to Ocean and Kingsley? I could see Kingsley being a nice restaurant row. In fact, with the combination of Cookman Ave, Asbury Park could be a great place to go out for dinner. Just look at Bradley Beach. Restaurants are a good way to use one of Asbury's current strengths of entertainment at night. It's hard for me to see pure retail there or on the boardwalk. Boardwalks have traditionally had games, food, and t-shirt/souvenir shops. If they built the mall in the casino it might attract people but we have so many malls in the area anyway that I don't know if it would be a great placement for it.
[AsburyPark] Re: linking to the wonder bar petition
Gary, May I use your petition text as well? Thanks, Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anybody wants to link to the online Wonder Bar petition, please do so. You may also use this graphic which we put up on our websites if you want. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Salvation Army
This is very disturbing. This is why charities should have deed restrictions so as not to make a profit on a sale of rel estate especially if it were originally donated to serve a purpose. The family of the original donor whould get the property or the proceeds and the Salvation Army should be punished for this type of action. Rev. Kevin Brown Lighthouse Mission, Long Branch --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New York Daily News - http://www.nydailynews.com They need Salvation from Army By JUAN GONZALEZ DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER Friday, January 19th, 2007 The Salvation Army, the second-largest charity in America, is quietly evicting nearly 200 women, many of them elderly and low-income, from a pair of 18-story Manhattan buildings. Tenant leaders at the two single-room occupancy hotels, the Ten Eyck- Troughton Residence on E. 39th St. and the Parkside Evangeline at Gramercy Park, say officials from the charity have been harassing them for months and have already frightened many long-term residents into moving out. On Tuesday, lawyers for the charity hand-delivered 30-day eviction notices as a prelude to selling the buildings. State Sen. Liz Krueger (D-Manhattan), a former tenant advocate, says the Salvation Army is callously trying to cash in on Manhattan's sizzling real estate market. She claims the group is taking advantage of the charity's exemption from rent-stabilization laws. Those laws would normally give tenants certain protections from eviction in a building sale. The clear implication is that the Salvation Army is being downright greedy. That's a very negative way of looking at a service organization, said Laura DeBuys, director of communications for the Salvation Army of Greater New York. We're going to redeploy our assets and move them to where they can do the most good. The 276-unit Gramercy Park building could go for more than $100 million, while the larger Ten Eyck building is expected to fetch a slightly lower price. The buildings were originally donated to the Salvation Army decades ago specifically to provide housing for women of modest income. Many of the residents are working women who pay between $1,000 and $1,200 a month for a room, with tenants sharing common bathrooms for each floor. We're all being harassed, said Princess Usanga, president of the tenants association at the Parkside. Some of these women have been here for 20 and 30 years. Where will they go? You would think the charity had enough money, considering they got a $1.5 billion grant a few years ago from Joan Kroc, widow of McDonald's magnate Ray Kroc. The money was earmarked to build 25 community centers around the country, DeBuys said. But now the Salvation Army says it must raise more money to operate those centers, one of which will be on Staten Island. New York is notorious for having some ruthless landlords, but several housing advocates said this week they have rarely seen the kind of tactics used by the Salvation Army. About 8 p.m. Wednesday, for example, Ellie Van Savage heard a loud knock at the door of her tiny rented room in the Ten Eyck Residence for Women. Van Savage opened the door to find the building's manager and four total strangers standing in her doorway. One of the strangers - a Salvation Army lawyer - handed her a 30- day eviction notice. Another stranger who was carrying a video camera then proceeded, without uttering a word, to film Van Savage receiving the notice. I was totally shocked and shaken by the whole thing, Savage said yesterday. The same day, nearly 200 other women at the Ten Eyck and the Parkside Evangeline Residence were confronted with the same knock on the door, the same 30-day eviction notice, and the same Fellini-like stranger with a video camera. Michelle Leone also got a nighttime visit. She's a U.S. Navy veteran battling cancer. I was sick most of last year so the Salvation Army wouldn't accept me in any of its other residences without any income, she said last night. I can't sleep worrying about being homeless. The charity relocated some of the oldest residents to another SRO it owns on the upper West Side, but has offered no relocation assistance to most of the women. We're dealing with each resident on an individual basis, DeBuys said, but she refused to explain what kind of help the charity was offering. They fund-raise at Christmastime to prevent people from being evicted from their homes, and here they are evicting all these women themselves, Krueger said yesterday. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID
[AsburyPark] Re: linking to the wonder bar petition
Gary, I have created a post at http://www.flickr.com/photos/dapaw if the use of your text is prohibited, please let me know and I will remove it. Thanks, Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary, May I use your petition text as well? Thanks, Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote: If anybody wants to link to the online Wonder Bar petition, please do so. You may also use this graphic which we put up on our websites if you want. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: What Preservation is All About
Great to hear from you Werner. The quote you posted below is also an excellent arguement against the rampant, unchecked immigration that is being allowed to occur in America. Those coming don't know of our past, and don't share are culture that has come to be over 225 years. The don't share the love we have for what made America great. As in the quote you posted, if they don't know of our past and respect it, they may try to change our future for the worse. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, wernerapnj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Excerpt from a piece published in... New York Times - January 1, 2007 Folly's Antidote By ARTHUR M. SCHLESINGER Jr. MANY signs point to a growing historical consciousness among the american people. I trust that this is so. It is useful to remember that history is to the nation as memory is to the individual. As persons deprived of memory become disoriented and lost, not knowing where they have been and where they are going, so a nation denied a conception of the past will be disabled in dealing with its present and its future. The longer you look back, said Winston Churchill, the farther you can look forward. -- I've been giving a lot of thought as to why the role of history/preservation is so misunderstood in Asbury Park. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Why Don't We Learn From Past Mistakes?
I'm reading, with interest and sadness, the mission being put forth to Save the Wonder Bar. Again, the point is missed, as it was during Save Tillie, Save The Pony, Save The Palace, Save The BaronetSave ... The only thing that will save a property in the WRA is to rezone the site via an amendment to the plan. The only thing short of a declaration of Local Landmark by the governing body that matters is the land use and zoning plan of WRA documents. What a sad state of affairs that the cultural legacy and economic tools of Asbury Park are only afforded cursory requests to Save them. They are only in need of saving by virtue of a bad plan that ignores their econimic potential to contribute to a future Asbury Park. They need saving because there was no planning to make them part of the future. Isn't the Wonder Bar part of the heritage and cultural fabric of Asbury Park? A cultural and entertainment asset that deserves the new lease on life it has been given? The petition should be to amend the redevelopment plan to exclude the Wonder Bar from condemnation. Oh, but some would say it can be relocated. Would it still be the Wonder Bar? Could you sit in the shadow of a National Historic site, Convention Hall? Could you look out over green parkland? Authenticity is the issue. A copy, interpretation, or facsimily would be worth less then the original. Yes Save the Wonder Bar, change the redevelopment plan, exclude it from condemnation. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Why Don't We Learn From Past Mistakes?
Werner, I agree with you that the ideal thing would be to have the redevelopment plan amended to make sure there are entertainment districts in locations like where the Wonder Bar is located. The main idea behind the petition is simply to show Asbury Partners that the Wonder Bar is in a location BEST SUITED for entertainment and dining rather than additional housing. I believe that additional housing in that area would be detrimental to any further usage of Convention Hall and the Paramount Theatre while keeping the Wonder Bar and adding an additional restaurant next door would ENHANCE Convention Hall and the Paramount. I guess it all comes down to whether or not they wish to attract people to the town. We have all seen how few events have been staged within Convention Hall and the Paramount. It's an amount that has got to be the lowest of its kind in New Jersey. Virtually every county has several arts centers such as the Count Basie Theatre in Red Bank and all of them are filled with events. If that area not only keeps the Wonder Bar but goes further in that direction, it would make it far more enticing for people to come see shows there. Imagine being able to have a nice dinner at either the Wonder Bar, HoJos, or a new restaurant right next door to the Wonder Bar and then just walking across the street to the venue? That would be a great combination. So, the idea behind the petition is to keep Asbury Partners focused on the importance of maintaining the Wonder Bar - for its historical nature, community-mindedness, and location within the event center areas as well as make sure they realize that some things are worth saving. The Wonder Bar is such a thing in my opinion because it not only is currently doing good business in town (a proven winner) and has benefited the town in many ways but it clearly benefits their interest in the Paramount Theatre and Convention Hall. I think this is very different from the Save Tillie idea because of one MAIN reason - the fact that the Wonder Bar is currently doing business while the Palace had been closed for years. I could see why this might remind you of the Save the Pony idea, but this petition is to keep the Wonder Bar in its current location not just to keep the club alive. Since I have very little faith that Asbury Partners has any idea how to run entertainment in the town (just look at how many people have been hired through the years to run that department for them) I think they need to be reminded that Convention Hall and the Paramount need to have a mini entertainment district around them. Without such a district, the venues will have even less importance than they do now. I really doubt that the people moving into the condos will sell out those venues. That kind of ticket sales requires attracting people from outside the area. A mini entertainment district will attract the people far more than additional housing. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Why Don't We Learn From Past Mistakes?
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Werner, Hey Gary worry about your shitty newspaper let the Asbury residends and elected offiaciac of AP do their joib. If you want to amensd the plan move here and run for offoce if not just shut up. You and other people should shut up or shit and get off the pot move here or just shut up. I will say this the future of this city isn't the waterfront The futrte is the overall stabillity of this city. If certain people get what they want and divide this city you will see a major reduction in redevelopement and watching whoerver invested moving on. Then the city gets stuck with real smumbags and the small invester will be left holding the empty bag. That's OK you will always have a soup kitcken or homeless shelter to keep you going or get a nice tax break. I agree with you that the ideal thing would be to have the redevelopment plan amended to make sure there are entertainment districts in locations like where the Wonder Bar is located. The main idea behind the petition is simply to show Asbury Partners that the Wonder Bar is in a location BEST SUITED for entertainment and dining rather than additional housing. I believe that additional housing in that area would be detrimental to any further usage of Convention Hall and the Paramount Theatre while keeping the Wonder Bar and adding an additional restaurant next door would ENHANCE Convention Hall and the Paramount. I guess it all comes down to whether or not they wish to attract people to the town. We have all seen how few events have been staged within Convention Hall and the Paramount. It's an amount that has got to be the lowest of its kind in New Jersey. Virtually every county has several arts centers such as the Count Basie Theatre in Red Bank and all of them are filled with events. If that area not only keeps the Wonder Bar but goes further in that direction, it would make it far more enticing for people to come see shows there. Imagine being able to have a nice dinner at either the Wonder Bar, HoJos, or a new restaurant right next door to the Wonder Bar and then just walking across the street to the venue? That would be a great combination. So, the idea behind the petition is to keep Asbury Partners focused on the importance of maintaining the Wonder Bar - for its historical nature, community-mindedness, and location within the event center areas as well as make sure they realize that some things are worth saving. The Wonder Bar is such a thing in my opinion because it not only is currently doing good business in town (a proven winner) and has benefited the town in many ways but it clearly benefits their interest in the Paramount Theatre and Convention Hall. I think this is very different from the Save Tillie idea because of one MAIN reason - the fact that the Wonder Bar is currently doing business while the Palace had been closed for years. I could see why this might remind you of the Save the Pony idea, but this petition is to keep the Wonder Bar in its current location not just to keep the club alive. Since I have very little faith that Asbury Partners has any idea how to run entertainment in the town (just look at how many people have been hired through the years to run that department for them) I think they need to be reminded that Convention Hall and the Paramount need to have a mini entertainment district around them. Without such a district, the venues will have even less importance than they do now. I really doubt that the people moving into the condos will sell out those venues. That kind of ticket sales requires attracting people from outside the area. A mini entertainment district will attract the people far more than additional housing. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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This is just a question. What retail do you all think would be benefical to Ocean and Kingsley? thats a pretty good qeustion. when you hear people say retail, what are they talking about? what kind of stuff? im sure everyone on this list along has a different image in their head. im pretty sure no ones thinking the same either. but in the end, i dont think its up to the general public on what goes. its up to the group thats in charge of it. - Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users.
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
It's hard for me to see pure retail there or on the boardwalk. Boardwalks have traditionally had games, food, and t-shirt/souvenir shops. If they built the mall in the casino it might attract people but we have so many malls in the area anyway that I don't know if it would be a great placement for it i think you hear the term mall and think the worst. or maybe, not picturing the same idea of a mall as im thinking. whatever types of business you have on the boardwalk, picture wrapped around the inside of the casino. it could make for an interesting place. picture the wooden boardwalk being inside the casino as a floor too. as if the boardwalk kept going, spun around, and upwards in a sprial forming the indoor mall. - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.
[AsburyPark] Re: Another
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, charlie leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ``What' in a name? The Emporia downtown is a mall. Isn'r it? That's cool. It's hard for me to see pure retail there or on the boardwalk. Boardwalks have traditionally had games, food, and t-shirt/souvenir shops. If they built the mall in the casino it might attract people but we have so many malls in the area anyway that I don't know if it would be a great placement for it i think you hear the term mall and think the worst. or maybe, not picturing the same idea of a mall as im thinking. whatever types of business you have on the boardwalk, picture wrapped around the inside of the casino. it could make for an interesting place. picture the wooden boardwalk being inside the casino as a floor too. as if the boardwalk kept going, spun around, and upwards in a sprial forming the indoor mall. - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Another
What' in a name? The Emporia downtown is a mall. Isn'r it? That's cool how is the emporia a mall? the antique place? i think you mean the shops at cookman? - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.
[AsburyPark] Re: Why Don't We Learn From Past Mistakes?
Wow, great example of a poorly written, mean spirited and probably drunk post. Why? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Gary Wien lightgrw@ wrote: Werner, Hey Gary worry about your shitty newspaper let the Asbury residends and elected offiaciac of AP do their joib. If you want to amensd the plan move here and run for offoce if not just shut up. You and other people should shut up or shit and get off the pot move here or just shut up. I will say this the future of this city isn't the waterfront The futrte is the overall stabillity of this city. If certain people get what they want and divide this city you will see a major reduction in redevelopement and watching whoerver invested moving on. Then the city gets stuck with real smumbags and the small invester will be left holding the empty bag. That's OK you will always have a soup kitcken or homeless shelter to keep you going or get a nice tax break. I agree with you that the ideal thing would be to have the redevelopment plan amended to make sure there are entertainment districts in locations like where the Wonder Bar is located. The main idea behind the petition is simply to show Asbury Partners that the Wonder Bar is in a location BEST SUITED for entertainment and dining rather than additional housing. I believe that additional housing in that area would be detrimental to any further usage of Convention Hall and the Paramount Theatre while keeping the Wonder Bar and adding an additional restaurant next door would ENHANCE Convention Hall and the Paramount. I guess it all comes down to whether or not they wish to attract people to the town. We have all seen how few events have been staged within Convention Hall and the Paramount. It's an amount that has got to be the lowest of its kind in New Jersey. Virtually every county has several arts centers such as the Count Basie Theatre in Red Bank and all of them are filled with events. If that area not only keeps the Wonder Bar but goes further in that direction, it would make it far more enticing for people to come see shows there. Imagine being able to have a nice dinner at either the Wonder Bar, HoJos, or a new restaurant right next door to the Wonder Bar and then just walking across the street to the venue? That would be a great combination. So, the idea behind the petition is to keep Asbury Partners focused on the importance of maintaining the Wonder Bar - for its historical nature, community-mindedness, and location within the event center areas as well as make sure they realize that some things are worth saving. The Wonder Bar is such a thing in my opinion because it not only is currently doing good business in town (a proven winner) and has benefited the town in many ways but it clearly benefits their interest in the Paramount Theatre and Convention Hall. I think this is very different from the Save Tillie idea because of one MAIN reason - the fact that the Wonder Bar is currently doing business while the Palace had been closed for years. I could see why this might remind you of the Save the Pony idea, but this petition is to keep the Wonder Bar in its current location not just to keep the club alive. Since I have very little faith that Asbury Partners has any idea how to run entertainment in the town (just look at how many people have been hired through the years to run that department for them) I think they need to be reminded that Convention Hall and the Paramount need to have a mini entertainment district around them. Without such a district, the venues will have even less importance than they do now. I really doubt that the people moving into the condos will sell out those venues. That kind of ticket sales requires attracting people from outside the area. A mini entertainment district will attract the people far more than additional housing. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
