[AsburyPark] Sunday, October 21, 2007

2007-10-21 Thread jerseykev
and the wondrous hand of the Lord appeared in the sky moments ago...
 
As Venus hung there, for even my eyes to see this early morning... I could  
not help but feel a great sense of peace, knowing that God has all things under 
 control.
 
As the lights broke through the darkness, I was reminded that we all should  
have hope for a better tomorrow.
 
Thank you Lord for another day!
 
Kevin Brown
 
 



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[AsburyPark] Christian Conservative Report of Presidencial Candidates

2007-10-21 Thread jerseykev
 
October 21, 2007

Religious Right Divides Its Vote at  Summit 
By _MICHAEL  LUO_ 
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/l/michael_luo/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
 
 
WASHINGTON, Oct. 20 — After an earnest appeal for acceptance from _Rudolph  
W. Giuliani_ 
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/g/rudolph_w_giuliani/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
 , Christian conservatives ended 
their two-day summit here  Saturday still divided about which of the Republican 
presidential candidates to  marshal their collective might behind. 
_Mitt  Romney_ 
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/r/mitt_romney/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
  edged out _Mike  Huckabee_ 
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/h/mike_huckabee/index.html?inl
ine=nyt-per)  in the straw poll at the Values Voter Summit. But questions 
were  raised about the way the voting was conducted — votes were permitted to 
be 
cast  online as far back as August — and even top leaders said there did not 
appear to  be any consensus.  
“I don’t think the question is anywhere close to settled,” said _Gary  L. 
Bauer_ 
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/gary_l_bauer/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
 , an influential Christian conservative leader 
and former Republican  candidate himself in 2000. “I think it’s going to play 
out over the next several  months.” 
Out of 5,775 votes cast, Mr. Romney won 27.6 percent; Mr. Huckabee, 27.1  
percent; _Ron  Paul_ 
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/ron_paul/index.html?inline=nyt-per)
 , 15 percent; _Fred  D. Thompson_ 
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/t/fred_thompson/index.htm
l?inline=nyt-per) , 9.8 percent. Mr. Giuliani finished second to last, with 
less  than 2 percent of the vote, and Senator _John  McCain_ 
(http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/john_mccain/index.html?inline=nyt-p
er)  of Arizona finished last among the nine candidates. 
The Romney campaign trumpeted the victory, but there was only a smattering of 
 applause in the auditorium when his name was announced and the event’s  
organizers cautioned against his deriving any kind of mandate from the results. 
 
Mr. Romney, a former Massachusetts governor, delivered an address Friday laden  
with policy commitments, but he faces continued skepticism about his Mormon  
faith, which he addressed only in passing in his speech. He has also been  
criticized for his relatively recent conversion to an abortion opponent. 
The 2,500 attendees of the summit will now return to their churches and  
grass-roots organizations to weigh their choices. It is clear many are charged  
up 
about Mr. Huckabee, and there is at least some support for Mr. Romney and  
others, but many questions still remain. 
Whatever the outcome of the weekend, Mr. Giuliani’s appearance was one of the 
 most anticipated moments of the campaign. Like past presidential candidates 
who  addressed their harshest critics with direct talk, he had the potential 
to  create a signature moment for his campaign by strolling directly into the 
maw of  the religious conservative movement. 
Of all the candidates who appeared, Mr. Giuliani, a former New York City  
mayor, had the most to overcome, considering his support for abortion rights 
and  
gay rights and scrutiny about his personal life. Yet, like other candidates 
who  spoke, he drew a standing ovation from the crowd after his speech in which 
he  invoked Christian inclusiveness, common values and his personal faith. He 
issued  a litany of promises meant to convey that he would not be their enemy 
if elected  president.  
He was followed to the podium a short while later by Mr. Huckabee, a former  
Arkansas governor and a Baptist minister, who drew repeated boisterous 
standing  ovations. Mr. Huckabee’s speech, full of his trademark quips, adept 
use of 
Bible  stories and red-meat declarations about faith and values, had the feel 
at times  of a Pentecostal tent revival. 
Mr. Giuliani spoke for about 40 minutes, twice his allotted time. The  
response was gracious and even warm, despite his own acknowledgment that 
members  of 
the audience probably had serious differences with him. Nevertheless, he  
highlighted his willingness to be forthright and cast himself as more 
principled  
than his primary opponents, insisting he would not bend and sway to the  
political winds. 
Mr. Giuliani took a thinly veiled shot at his rival, Mr. Romney, whose  
campaign has been vigorously courting social conservatives but has battled  
skepticism about his authenticity. 
“Isn’t it better that I tell you what I really believe, instead of 
pretending  to change all of my positions to fit the prevailing winds?” Mr. 
Giuliani 
asked,  drawing murmurs of approval and applause from the audience. 
Mr. Giuliani talked about his Roman Catholic upbringing, attendance of  
parochial schools and even 

[AsburyPark] Ballot Questions

2007-10-21 Thread Traderdube

New Jersey voters will decide four public questions during this 
November's election _ the most submitted to voters by the state since 1995.
Voters will be asked whether to:
- Permanently dedicate all money earned from last year's sales tax 
increase to property tax relief.
- Approve borrowing $450 million for stem cell research.
$ Approve borrowing $200 million for open space preservation. $$$
-Revise language outlining when voting rights can be denied by deleting 
from the state Constitution the phrase idiot or insane person and 
replacing it with the phrase person who has been adjudicated by a court 
of competent jurisdiction to lack the capacity to understand the act of 
voting.


I have always voted yes to preserving open space, but lately I can't 
help but wonder if it is merely one more legal slush fund for the crooks 
to keep on lining their old suits.






 
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[AsburyPark] Parking for 45,000?

2007-10-21 Thread Mario

Excerpt:

Despite the industry's attendance declines, Monmouth has managed to
keep its average daily attendance steady over the last decade, with
8,902 for the regular meet, which concluded on Sept. 2. Weekend crowds
often top 14,000, almost twice as many people as Belmont Park typically
attracts.

Much of that has to do with how Monmouth has successfully marketed
itself as an attractive place not only for gamblers, but also for horse
lovers and for families looking for a pleasant afternoon out.

Track officials estimate that 45,000 people will attend on Oct. 27 when
eight Breeders' Cup races will be run. A crowd of 25,000 is expected
on Friday, when the racing program will include three new Breeders'
Cup races.
From:   Click here: Monmouth Park a Standout Among Racetracks - New York
Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/21/nyregion/nyregionspecial2/21horsenj.h\
tml 


[AsburyPark] 911 911 911 911...........

2007-10-21 Thread rook782
One major crime related problem in Asbury Park is that we have our 
own private 911 center, instead of merging with the county 911 
center.

So instead of spending money to put more cops and horses on the 
streets, we use it to staff an inadequate 24 hour call center with 
all the fancy equipment that this involves.  Redundancy? 

In addition, being part of the county system puts another set of 
eyes on what is happening in Asbury Park.  It's crime and it's 
policing as well.

Just think how these county dispatchers could link crimes that are 
happening outside of Asbury Park to ones happening inside Asbury 
Park.  I.e. The such and such drug gang did so and so in Neptune at 
10:30 p.m. and then did such and such in Asbury Park at midnight.  I 
think it would make it much easier to catch the criminals this way.

I always find it such a joke that we are in so much of a financial 
crisis, yet we maintain the fire department and the police 
departments in a fashion that no other well heeled town with lots of 
money to waste would even consider doing.  


 Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Oh some level, I agree, but the police aren't doing sureillence, 
and aren't making arrests.

 Calvin, who lives across the street, says he's called the PD many 
times, and he's fed up with their lack of effort.

 Now, I know the PD already have their hands full, but please. How 
many phone calls does it take for them to get the message.

 And, when a concerned for their safety citizen like myself contacts 
the PD, worried about the kids that I just reported, and they don't 
even bother to ask my name, that's also a problem.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: AP, shootings, and the Asbury Park Press

2007-10-21 Thread rook782
Yeah, how much was donated to charity?  Anyone attend? 



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Right. Where is the mayor? 
 Have you ever seen him give a press conference? I haven't.
 He was happy to be the host of the Mayor's ball though. How much did 
that cost the city?
 Seems to me the best voice in AP, the one that the public hears from 
the most is Jim 
 Keady.
 




 
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[AsburyPark] This morning in Library Square Park - Hypodermic needle

2007-10-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
So, this morning during a dog walk in the park, I came upon a new addition...a 
discarded 
INTACT hypodermic needle. There are also 3 empty drug bags.
Now I'm really on a mission.
I called the PD, gave my name, and full report. They sent 2 cruisers over, and 
I got my 
camera and took pics of the things I described.
Upon arrival, the first officer said Sir, this is Asbury Park, we have a lot 
of bad people 
wandering around
Um...Duh.
I described how this is a daily occurence, and something has to change.
I told the officers about how the park is dark at night, and pointed out how 
the lights are 
broken. They seemed surprised to hear about that. I told them my theory about 
how I 
believe the lights we're destroyed by kids prompted by the local drug lords.
Then one of the officers said this We don't have enough officers in the city, 
and that's one 
of our biggest problems
So, here we have an officer acknowledging what we already know...our PD needs 
help. 
They are even asking for it.
One of the officers bagged up the needle. I have pics I'll post here later 
today or tomorrow.
I'm going to try and meet with the mayor, and I'm thinking about calling News 
12 to see if 
they would be interested in doing a story about this.
Anybody else have thoughts on what we should do?
I, for one, won't just be posting here anymore. I'm taking this to a different 
level now.
Oh, finally, I ran into a friend who also walks his dog in the park. He 
concurred about the 
drug bags and other things he sees, and he's sick of it too. So it Calvin 
across the street 
from the park. My other dog walking friend lamented the loss of the park 
benches that 
used to exist there, before they were destroyed.
This has got to stop. The whole experience is a microcosm of what's going on in 
our city 
in general.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: AP, shootings, and the Asbury Park Press

2007-10-21 Thread rook782
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  Right. Where is the mayor? 
  Have you ever seen him give a press conference? I haven't.
  He was happy to be the host of the Mayor's ball though. How much 
did 
 that cost the city?
  Seems to me the best voice in AP, the one that the public hears 
from 
 the most is Jim 
  Keady.
  
 
 
 Very very good point.

That is why in the future, Jim Keady should be the mayor.   



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Living in a virtual world - the value of forums

2007-10-21 Thread 2fine4u
Jack,
Are you serious?  I've said and so has others, that the Mayor, was
born and raised here, educated here, is a veteran, having served
honorably, is known by his peers, highly respected by the same and
while having a message, still only has one vote!  It sometimes appears
that he is not outspoken, but he fervently works behind the scenes, is
a child advocate, husband and father.  He was the highest vote getter,
 making him the choice for Mayor, while the Deputy Mayor, Mr. Bruno,
also born and raised here, a bit more assertive and aggressive than
Mr. Sanders, made for two native born, home grown officials, in AP. 
You can't get more qualified than that!  My opinion.

I believe in my heart that they and the other three men, want a
better Asbury Park.  That said, we don't always agree on how to get
it.  I don't know where Mr. Johnson was born or James Keady, but they
are legitimate residents, as well.  Mr. Loffredo is/was from Neptune,
but has been a resident of AP, for some time and is a homeowner.  I
highly respect him, personally.  I don't always agree, with any of
them, but I have been misinformed about issues also.  What I'm saying
is, I give them the benefit of the doubt.  I can be wrong too!

Sometimes, I think, we are a bit harsh on them, but it is believed
that in all politics, those in power, sometimes feel, that their
constituents, don't NEED or HAVE to know, everything!  I say, the more
OPEN government is, the less suspicious/secretive, or name calling, as
in almost any adjective, the people you serve, are less likely to
accuse!  I am as guilty as anyone, when what we perceive as a bad
decision; name some here_,
are made and its' decided the less we know, the better!  Voters are
more likely to ask for a recall, special election, investigations, get
the prosecutor or FBI involved.

Some of the more rogueish incidents of late, were the surrounding of a
residents home, from anonymous tips, the fear generated, when a
representative of the FCC, sucessfully shut down a radio show, the
false arrest of a citizen and incarceration, intending on shutting him
up, permenantly, the repeated requests for surveillance of a public
square, which should be one of the centerpieces in town, only to see
the area, abused over and over, but have funds for a horse patrol;
impressive, but of no use!

Now that I've spoken my piece, my a$$, is probably grass, for using my
right of the 1st amendment!  Now, I'll probably NEVER get my 40 acres,
or that mule!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 As for picking on the mayor, tell me this. Has he ever given a press
conference after a 
 murder? Is he well known to ALL the citizens of our city?
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  So, in virtual AP, what characters do you think we would all play?
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
  
   Can the city be run by a forum or a combination
   
   Could a forum, by city residents (and outsiders...) runa real city?
   


 





 
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[AsburyPark] We need a vision - we need a uniter

2007-10-21 Thread asburycouple
Sharon, I do agree that the Mayor appears to be a good man with good 
intentions.  That said I don't know that any of our current council 
members have the ability to develop and lead this city in a way that 
is clearly needed.  We need a strong voice who can develop a real 
vision for tackling problems and transforming the city while uniting 
the city around that vision.  From some of our council I've never 
seen a real vision, just individiual pet projects and initiatives.  
From others I've seen vision, but coupled with a divisive approach 
that prevents anything from getting done.  That doesn't make them 
bad people or bad intentioned, just not necessarily the right people 
to get us past where we are at this point in time.   

I would love nothing more than for any of our council to step up and 
prove me wrong.  Come with vision.  Build bridges rather than 
burning them.  Unite the community behind a comprehensive plan for 
improving the quality of life for all Asbury residents.  And for 
what it's worth I think I speak for many on this board who would be 
more than happy to step up and help.   





--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jack,
 Are you serious?  I've said and so has others, that the Mayor, was
 born and raised here, educated here, is a veteran, having served
 honorably, is known by his peers, highly respected by the same and
 while having a message, still only has one vote!  It sometimes 
appears
 that he is not outspoken, but he fervently works behind the 
scenes, is
 a child advocate, husband and father.  He was the highest vote 
getter,
  making him the choice for Mayor, while the Deputy Mayor, Mr. 
Bruno,
 also born and raised here, a bit more assertive and aggressive than
 Mr. Sanders, made for two native born, home grown officials, in 
AP. 
 You can't get more qualified than that!  My opinion.
 
 I believe in my heart that they and the other three men, want a
 better Asbury Park.  That said, we don't always agree on how to 
get
 it.  I don't know where Mr. Johnson was born or James Keady, but 
they
 are legitimate residents, as well.  Mr. Loffredo is/was from 
Neptune,
 but has been a resident of AP, for some time and is a homeowner.  I
 highly respect him, personally.  I don't always agree, with any of
 them, but I have been misinformed about issues also.  What I'm 
saying
 is, I give them the benefit of the doubt.  I can be wrong too!
 
 Sometimes, I think, we are a bit harsh on them, but it is believed
 that in all politics, those in power, sometimes feel, that their
 constituents, don't NEED or HAVE to know, everything!  I say, the 
more
 OPEN government is, the less suspicious/secretive, or name 
calling, as
 in almost any adjective, the people you serve, are less likely to
 accuse!  I am as guilty as anyone, when what we perceive as a bad
 decision; name some here_,
 are made and its' decided the less we know, the better!  Voters are
 more likely to ask for a recall, special election, investigations, 
get
 the prosecutor or FBI involved.
 
 Some of the more rogueish incidents of late, were the surrounding 
of a
 residents home, from anonymous tips, the fear generated, when a
 representative of the FCC, sucessfully shut down a radio show, the
 false arrest of a citizen and incarceration, intending on shutting 
him
 up, permenantly, the repeated requests for surveillance of a public
 square, which should be one of the centerpieces in town, only to 
see
 the area, abused over and over, but have funds for a horse patrol;
 impressive, but of no use!
 
 Now that I've spoken my piece, my a$$, is probably grass, for 
using my
 right of the 1st amendment!  Now, I'll probably NEVER get my 40 
acres,
 or that mule!
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
 
  As for picking on the mayor, tell me this. Has he ever given a 
press
 conference after a 
  murder? Is he well known to ALL the citizens of our city?
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
wrote:
  
   So, in virtual AP, what characters do you think we would all 
play?
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
   
Can the city be run by a forum or a combination

Could a forum, by city residents (and outsiders...) runa 
real city?

 
 
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Living in a virtual world - the value of forums

2007-10-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
Yes Sharon, I'm very serious. I don't know the mayor personally, but I do 
intend to get to 
know him. I'm going to try and arrange a meeting with him this week.
When you say It sometimes appears that he is not outspoken, but he fervently 
works 
behind the scenes that says much to me. We need an outspoken mayor. We need 
him on 
the news, we need him to be publicly visible. There has been too much behind 
the scenes 
action in our city. Outside opinion of AP is currently at an all time low. 
People outside of 
this city have very little that is good to say about it, and the public at 
large doesn't have 
much faith in our cities administration. If I'm wrong, I stand corrected, but 
this is my 
opinion.
When we have a police office saying to me that we don't have enough officers, 
we have a 
problem.
And here's a few other opinions of mine;
1) I saw police officers patroling on Cookman and Main last night, near the 
restaraunts.
Great, right? Well, who are they protecting? I'd like to know if an equal force 
was out in the 
parts of the city where the majority of crime is taking place.
2) Somehow our city finds the money to give Mayor's Balls, fund a Columbus Day 
event 
and buy a scant 2 horses and equip 2 police officers to ride them. How much did 
that cost? 
And where are they patroling? In the areas where people can see them. It's a 
show. 
Meanwhile, we had a murder the other night. Please connect the dots.
3) Is somebody instructing the Asbury Park Press to be silent about crime in 
our city?
If not, why isn't the story of the 19 year olds murder front page news yet?
What about the 8 bullets shot at kids last week?
That story came and went like an afterthought.
Does anybody else see a problem with this?
I think the time has come for much more publicity about the horrible stuff that 
is going on 
in our city. This will force out administration to act.
Finally, i've said this once, and I'll repeat it a thousand times until it 
makes a differerence...
All the redevelopment in the world isn't going to make a bit of difference for 
our future 
until this city is perceived to be a safe place to move to and live in.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, 2fine4u [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jack,
 Are you serious?  I've said and so has others, that the Mayor, was
 born and raised here, educated here, is a veteran, having served
 honorably, is known by his peers, highly respected by the same and
 while having a message, still only has one vote!  It sometimes appears
 that he is not outspoken, but he fervently works behind the scenes, is
 a child advocate, husband and father.  He was the highest vote getter,
  making him the choice for Mayor, while the Deputy Mayor, Mr. Bruno,
 also born and raised here, a bit more assertive and aggressive than
 Mr. Sanders, made for two native born, home grown officials, in AP. 
 You can't get more qualified than that!  My opinion.
 
 I believe in my heart that they and the other three men, want a
 better Asbury Park.  That said, we don't always agree on how to get
 it.  I don't know where Mr. Johnson was born or James Keady, but they
 are legitimate residents, as well.  Mr. Loffredo is/was from Neptune,
 but has been a resident of AP, for some time and is a homeowner.  I
 highly respect him, personally.  I don't always agree, with any of
 them, but I have been misinformed about issues also.  What I'm saying
 is, I give them the benefit of the doubt.  I can be wrong too!
 
 Sometimes, I think, we are a bit harsh on them, but it is believed
 that in all politics, those in power, sometimes feel, that their
 constituents, don't NEED or HAVE to know, everything!  I say, the more
 OPEN government is, the less suspicious/secretive, or name calling, as
 in almost any adjective, the people you serve, are less likely to
 accuse!  I am as guilty as anyone, when what we perceive as a bad
 decision; name some here_,
 are made and its' decided the less we know, the better!  Voters are
 more likely to ask for a recall, special election, investigations, get
 the prosecutor or FBI involved.
 
 Some of the more rogueish incidents of late, were the surrounding of a
 residents home, from anonymous tips, the fear generated, when a
 representative of the FCC, sucessfully shut down a radio show, the
 false arrest of a citizen and incarceration, intending on shutting him
 up, permenantly, the repeated requests for surveillance of a public
 square, which should be one of the centerpieces in town, only to see
 the area, abused over and over, but have funds for a horse patrol;
 impressive, but of no use!
 
 Now that I've spoken my piece, my a$$, is probably grass, for using my
 right of the 1st amendment!  Now, I'll probably NEVER get my 40 acres,
 or that mule!
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
 
  As for picking on the mayor, tell me this. Has he ever given a press
 conference after a 
  murder? Is he well known to ALL the 

[AsburyPark] Re: Photos of discarded drug paraphenalia in Library Square Park

2007-10-21 Thread asburycouple
These images really piss me off...  It's amazing this is allowed to go 
on.  This isn't Central Park - the entire park is clearly visible from 
a police car from any direction, and with a little illumination even 
at night there should be nowhere in the park to hide.  A park that 
should be about the most visible and vulnerable place for someone to 
do drugs is a drug den simply because nobody is patrolling it.



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[AsburyPark] Re: Photos of discarded drug paraphenalia in Library Square Park

2007-10-21 Thread Kevin Brown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Please visit the photo section to see photos I've what I've found, 
and reported on today.


You go Jack!!!

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[AsburyPark] Re:Jane Jacobs made us ask, What Makes a Good Neighborhood?

2007-10-21 Thread restore881FM
Mario -
Thanks for reminding me. I watched this as I was dozing off into the arms  of 
Morpheus. Lots of relevance for AP. Makes you wonder if she'd been male, if  
the region would've acted on her advice.
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[AsburyPark] Zoning Restrictions Not Subject to Heightened Scrutiny Under RLUIPA

2007-10-21 Thread Mario

Court of Appeal Rejects Bid to Reopen Scottish Rite Cathedral, Friday,
October 19, 2007

Panel Says Revocation of Occupancy Permit Did Not Violate Masons'
Religious Freedom

Zoning restrictions on the facility's use are not subject to heightened
scrutiny under federal law, the Court of Appeal has ruled.

The opinion by Presiding Justice Dennis Perluss was filed Oct. 3 and
certified for publication Wednesday, Oct. 17.

The cathedral association argued that the city was violating their
rights under the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of
2000 (RLUIPA).

Judge Perluss: RLUIPA does not protect non-religious uses of facilities
owned by religious institutions, he said. Specifically, a burden on a
commercial enterprise used to fund a religious organization does not
constitute a substantial burden on `religious exercise' within the
meaning of RLUIPA, the jurist wrote.

The legislative history and case law in other states, Perluss wrote,
make clear that RLUIPA does not require strict scrutiny of a restriction
on the secular uses of religious organizations' facilities. He cited a
Pennsylvania case in which the state's intermediate appeals court held
that RLUIPA did not protect a church's right to operate a day care
facility because lack of a daycare only had a de minimis impact on the
Church's opportunity to engage in fundamental religious activities.

Adapted excerpts from:  Click here: EKBTV: Court of Appeal Rejects Bid
to Reopen Scottish Rite Cathedral
http://ekbtv.blogspot.com/2007/10/court-of-appeal-rejects-bid-to-reopen\
.html

http://www.metnews.com/articles/2007/scot101907.htm
http://www.metnews.com/articles/2007/scot101907.htm





[AsburyPark] Re: Zoning Restrictions Not Subject to Heightened Scrutiny Under RLUIPA

2007-10-21 Thread oakdorf
Judge Perluss: RLUIPA does not protect non-religious uses of
facilities owned by religious institutions, he said. Specifically, a
burden on a commercial enterprise used to fund a religious
organization does not constitute a substantial burden on `religious
exercise' within the meaning of RLUIPA, the jurist wrote.


This is exactly what I've been saying. A religious place of worship is
one thing, but when you tr to extend it to everything else, then its a
business. 

What if a house of worship wants to open a restaraunt in the
building??? There are some neat buildings  - should that be permitted?



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Four Ballot Questions on Nov. 6th

2007-10-21 Thread asburycouple
Then who would govern?


 
 Even better if they changed it to deny elected office to an idoit or
 insane person.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Photos of discarded drug paraphenalia in Library Square Park

2007-10-21 Thread Heather


Yes, this is very sad. My church, Trinity, is across the street from the
park and since we have a tiny parking lot, for every church function the
congregation parks on the streets surrounding the park. I feel safe
going there on Sunday mornings, but I know that around Christmas when
there are a lot of night services, many members walk together in groups
back to their cars because they are concerned about crime in the
neighborhood.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  Please visit the photo section to see photos I've what I've found,
 and reported on today.
 

 You go Jack!!!

 KB





[AsburyPark] Re: Photos of discarded drug paraphenalia in Library Square Park

2007-10-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
Don't worry Heather. I am going make the park safe for all of us. It's my 
mission now.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Heather [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 Yes, this is very sad. My church, Trinity, is across the street from the
 park and since we have a tiny parking lot, for every church function the
 congregation parks on the streets surrounding the park. I feel safe
 going there on Sunday mornings, but I know that around Christmas when
 there are a lot of night services, many members walk together in groups
 back to their cars because they are concerned about crime in the
 neighborhood.
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown jerseykev@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
  
   Please visit the photo section to see photos I've what I've found,
  and reported on today.
  
 
  You go Jack!!!
 
  KB
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Photos of discarded drug paraphenalia in Library Square Park

2007-10-21 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Heather [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 Yes, this is very sad. My church, Trinity, is across the street from the
 park and since we have a tiny parking lot, for every church function the
 congregation parks on the streets surrounding the park. I feel safe
 going there on Sunday mornings, but I know that around Christmas when
 there are a lot of night services, many members walk together in groups
 back to their cars because they are concerned about crime in the
 neighborhood.


And the soup kitchen Trinity runs attracts some beauties.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Photos of discarded drug paraphenalia in Library Square Park

2007-10-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
I truly believe that we can use this cause as a wake up call on many levels. 
Who knows, 
maybe saving one small park can have a broader effect if we can do it right. 
Who's with 
me?


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Heather hmelissar@ wrote:
 
  
  
  Yes, this is very sad. My church, Trinity, is across the street from the
  park and since we have a tiny parking lot, for every church function the
  congregation parks on the streets surrounding the park. I feel safe
  going there on Sunday mornings, but I know that around Christmas when
  there are a lot of night services, many members walk together in groups
  back to their cars because they are concerned about crime in the
  neighborhood.
 
 
 And the soup kitchen Trinity runs attracts some beauties.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Photos of discarded drug paraphenalia in Library Square Park

2007-10-21 Thread asburycouple
Sign me up Jack.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I truly believe that we can use this cause as a wake up call on 
many levels. Who knows, 
 maybe saving one small park can have a broader effect if we can do 
it right. Who's with 
 me?
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Heather hmelissar@ wrote:
  
   
   
   Yes, this is very sad. My church, Trinity, is across the 
street from the
   park and since we have a tiny parking lot, for every church 
function the
   congregation parks on the streets surrounding the park. I feel 
safe
   going there on Sunday mornings, but I know that around 
Christmas when
   there are a lot of night services, many members walk together 
in groups
   back to their cars because they are concerned about crime in 
the
   neighborhood.
  
  
  And the soup kitchen Trinity runs attracts some beauties.
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Photos of discarded drug paraphenalia in Library Square Park

2007-10-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
Here's the beginnings of my plan;
1) Contact Jim Keady. He already has a voice mail waiting for him tomorrow 
morning.
2) Meet with the mayor to discuss the situation. I may ask some of you to 
accompany me.
3) If it comes down to money, I am going to visit Madison Marquette, talk to 
them about 
the situation, and see if they'd be willing to donate some money, or lighting 
for the park.

This whole plan may be a long shot. The PD is now aware of the problem. If I 
face 
difficulties, I'll contact News 12 etc. and see if I can get them to do a 
story. 
I'd love to hear any ideas that will help with this. 
I'm going to get started with this tomorrow, with my phone call to the Mayor.
I also sent an email to Reidy last Friday. Hopefully he'll respond as well.

Jack


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sign me up Jack.
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I truly believe that we can use this cause as a wake up call on 
 many levels. Who knows, 
  maybe saving one small park can have a broader effect if we can do 
 it right. Who's with 
  me?
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote:
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Heather hmelissar@ wrote:
   


Yes, this is very sad. My church, Trinity, is across the 
 street from the
park and since we have a tiny parking lot, for every church 
 function the
congregation parks on the streets surrounding the park. I feel 
 safe
going there on Sunday mornings, but I know that around 
 Christmas when
there are a lot of night services, many members walk together 
 in groups
back to their cars because they are concerned about crime in 
 the
neighborhood.
   
   
   And the soup kitchen Trinity runs attracts some beauties.
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Photos of discarded drug paraphenalia in Library Square Park

2007-10-21 Thread justifiedright
Jack Pitzer starring in

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[AsburyPark] Buyers Pounce: If you just sit on it and sit on it, it will go up.”

2007-10-21 Thread MarioAPNJ
They came early, they came in numbers and they  came with bank checks for 
$5,000.
 
The misery meant one thing:  opportunity.
 
“Even if you can’t sell it right away, if you just  sit on it and sit on it, 
it will go up.”
 
The bidding for most houses took less than three  minutes. 


_Click  here: Buyers Pounce as Homes Go on the Block - New York Times_ 
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