Re: [AsburyPark] Superintendent Salaries
In a message dated 7/21/2008 12:46:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..my favorite from the stories in the Press this weekend: I took a reduction in pay (former AP middle school principal) The new Super in Ocean Gate about $105k to be the super of s system with only 100 kids. That's $1k per kid for a super. Toms River Super: a bit over 220k in salary and 17,000 kids. $13 per kid. Mario[?] More to make the k's look like loose change: Five years after Richard A. Grasso flamed out as the chairman of the _New York Stock Exchange_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/n/new_york_stock_exchange/index.html?inline=nyt-org) , his legal adversary and stock exchange directors have fallen even more spectacularly. And now Mr. Grasso may be able to keep the staggering $185 million award that once made him a symbol of Wall Street greed — a package awarded to him by the A-list board members at the exchange who eventually fired him. Two men who played central roles in the legal tumult, _Eliot Spitzer_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/eliot_l_spitzer/index.ht ml?inline=nyt-per) and _James E. Cayne_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/james_e_cayne/index.html?inline=nyt-per) , saw their careers and reputations implode within days of each other in March. As attorney general of New York, Mr. Spitzer cast the legal fight in stark moral terms, arguing that Mr. Grasso, motivated by greed, plundered the then nonprofit stock exchange for his own benefit. Mr. Spitzer’s governorship, of course, came to an end after his infamous encounter at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington. Mr. Cayne, then the chief executive of _Bear Stearns_ (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/bear_stearns_companies/index.html?inline=nyt-or g) , was one of the stock exchange directors who had approved Mr. Grasso’s controversial pay package in August 2003. Mr. Cayne lost $900 million when Bear Stearns fell apart. But while Mr. Spitzer and Mr. Cayne face years in exile, the indefatigable Mr. Grasso brings his case to New York’s highest appeals court on Tuesday, with a growing chance that he may keep the vast portion of his payout More _http://tinyurl.com/584evc_ (http://tinyurl.com/584evc) Also _http://www.investmentnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080721/REG/659638780/1006_ (http://www.investmentnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080721/REG/659638780/1006) **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520)
[AsburyPark] Re: This weekend's pictures
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have uploaded them to Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dapaw Great pics and it's nice to see the beach so crowded. I'm curious how folks feel about that big blue screen that, according to your caption, was put up so people who didn't pay to get into the party couldn't see. Did it cover just the area of the dance party? Or was it up all the way between CH and the Casino? Or even halfway? I guess if it was just cordoning off a few dozen feet that's okay, but it wouldn't send the best message if they start limiting the view of the Atlantic to the privileged few. But again, the crowds were good. Are those wood boards on top of the oceanside wall of the First Avenue Pavilion going to become anything? I hope they're not sticking a permanent bus shelter type overhang there. Retractable awnings would be better. Corazza needs a more lively color too. Maybe aquamarine for the Blue Bishops? It's cool to see the pride flags on the boardwalk. Does MM plan to put other flags up throughout the season? Like these state and American flags http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/cards/asburyparkmarine.jpg the city used to fly there? Or maybe flags of different nations during the Olympics? Might be nice. Re: The shipping containers. I love a good Cuban sandwich (Zafra in Hoboken...m). But all the fake palm trees and colorful umbrellas in the world won't make these things look any less temporary and, thus, schlocky. There's been talk of reviving the Circuit. Wouldn't putting some of these businesses on Kingsley go a long way toward that end? They tore down the Flamingo anyway. They have the space. And what's going on with that blue shack behind the Pony that's been falling in on itself for 30 years? These businesses could occupy those spaces, you get the ratables plus foot traffic a block back, and you wouldn't lose the sightlines or airflow from the boardwalk. But so as not to end on a downer, the Beach Bar looks very nice and it's heartening to see so many people and so many businesses in the CH arcade. Reminds me of the old classic car and boat shows there. (hopefully they'll bring those back. Along with the organ concerts http://www.ogcma.org/pages/organrecitals ! [;)] ) And that sandcastle workshop was a great idea. Anybody go to that? Any pics of the results? Good to see the volleyball nets up too. With Belmar seemingly intent on alienating its traditional revenue base http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-jersey0718,0,1256772.story\ , maybe the AP Chamber of Commerce could start writing some friendly letters to the AVP http://web.avp.com/events/index.jsp?eventId=1027 . Just a thought. Finally, you better be careful. With all the folks clamoring to see the guy with the duck, D-For could become the new Tillie! ;)
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Fireworks
Glenn, Thanks for that full report to John. Although I, too, reveled in all the positive vibe in town 7/18-20, your observations of the contrasts with our northern neighbors was icing on the cake. Looking forward here to more late fireworks, raucous beach parties and everything else that goes with the territory when one chooses to live in a beach town. Some of Belmar's short-sighted homeowners lost sight of that perspective several years ago with their bitchin', so now Let them eat [our] cake. Thanks again for the pix and come back soon! Mario In a message dated 7/21/2008 4:55:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi John, I took the Gay History of Asbury Park Trolley Tour on Saturday night (they serve free wine, by the way [I passed] and a look at the Wesley Grove complex.) Although RoadTrip was going in full force on the boardwalk, the sidewalks of Cookman were full of people. The business owners on Cookman had themselves all decked out and it looked wonderful. I directed a family to Cookman that evening, promising (like I can do that - lol) a great time. I am sure that they had at least a good time. I departed Asbury Park at 6:30PM on Sunday. Since a local friend had warned me that the Parkway was a mess, I chose to take 36 (Ocean) up to Eatontown before getting on the Parkway. When I left Asbury Park, the Boardwalk was buzzing with people. Since I was heading up 36, I took side trips in Deal and Long Branch to check the crowds out on their boardwalks. Well, there were no crowds; just a few walkers and a angler here and there. I don't have the scoop (for sure) on the Cookman businesses, but it appeared that they at least had foot traffic. As far as 11PM fireworks, hmmm, I suppose that it it not much different than Jack having to listen to Tina Turner being blasted at the Tea Dance (from The Empress) every Sunday. It's part of the package. I will tell you that I live one block from a beach and there are fireworks every July 4th. I THOUGHT that my dog had no problems with the fireworks, until we were at The Empress on Friday. She bolted into the room and tried to get into the duck's cage for consolation. I simply closed the balcony door and the Windows at the hotel and there were no sounds from the fireworks it in the room. Then it dawned on me that I always have the dog inside on July 4th at home with doors and windows closed. Maybe a compromise is the solution, close the place up at 10:45 and open it again at 11:15 - it's a small compromise if it is bringing money to your City (just my two cents.) Oh, and about the Gay History of Asbury Park Tour, good thing I didn't bring Werner, lol, apparently Ethel Merman used to put on water shows at the Monte Carlo Pool!! (Picture THAT!) [Esther Williams] (I am not making fun of the tour guide, 99% of his information matched Werner's information - now I am rating Historians!) Thanks again for a great visit, Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kathryn Bevacqua kbevacqua@ wrote: Am I the only one that has a problem with a major fireworks display happening at 11:00 p.m.? I think that's entirely too late, special event or no special event. Maybe I'm just getting old. - I think it is greatI am not aware of any other town that has fireworks that late and it sets AP apart. we have to cater to all different crowds here and as long as each group is satisfied then the boardwalk will stay busy during all hours of operation. I was riding my bike around both Friday and Saturday late at night (after 12) to see how busy stuff was and besides the impressive line outside the Empress on Saturday the crowds appeared to be pretty thin everywhere else at this hour. If this was the only fireworks display of the season and it was real late I would probably feel differently. Was there alot of people on the beach for the late fireworks? Also does anyone have any information as to how the restaurants on cookman are doing this season? I was told by a friend that the restaurants in Cape May are not nearly as busy as they usually are this time of year. John Yahoo! Groups Links **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520)
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We were attracted to producing HAIR in the Carousel building because we knew the space would add to our unique vision. Yet another reason to restore the Pryor bandshell. Imagine it...Hamlet at HoJo's! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
I'm wondering why this isn't more of an uproar about the current situation with the bandshell. Glenn took a photo that clearly illustrates that heating and a/c units have been placed where at the back of the area where the seats used to be located, as well as a huge A/C unit directly next to the stage. There's no way a perfomance can go on with that A/C unit in place, which raises the question about the future of the bandshell. The way I see it, we lost our bandshell. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tom tom@ wrote: We were attracted to producing HAIR in the Carousel building because we knew the space would add to our unique vision. Yet another reason to restore the Pryor bandshell. Imagine it...Hamlet at HoJo's! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering why this isn't more of an uproar about the current situation with the bandshell. Actually, if you click here http://www.asburyradio.com/audio/PublicComment070208_007.mp3 and FF to 12:18, I think you'll find the response to Werner's very articulate and well-founded question regarding the bandshell to be quite uproarious - in a Marxian sort of way. (That's in every contract. That's what they call a sanity clause. - Ha! You can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Claus.)
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
Unfortunately I'm at work and I can't turn it up load enough to hear the response. What does it say? It sounds to me like they aren't answering the question Werner posed. Meanwhile, while we're all praising MM for the amazing job they've done, that very praise is going to overshadow the fact that MM went way past what was supposed to be done and basically destroyed the 5th Ave. pavilion. Now it's a strip mall with expensive dining. No bandshell. We might as well kiss the bandshell goodbye, because I really don't see MM removing the heating and A/C units. And there is no way on earth that the one next to the stage can be concealed or silenced in any way to make performances up there possible. Once again. our city drops the ball and let's the developers do whatever they want. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I'm wondering why this isn't more of an uproar about the current situation with the bandshell. Actually, if you click here http://www.asburyradio.com/audio/PublicComment070208_007.mp3 and FF to 12:18, I think you'll find the response to Werner's very articulate and well-founded question regarding the bandshell to be quite uproarious - in a Marxian sort of way. (That's in every contract. That's what they call a sanity clause. - Ha! You can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Claus.) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
How many strip malls have places like Hot Sand, LaPlaca and two dining establishments that look out onto a beautiful beach/surf. I take issue with that comment. I do agree, however, that the bandshell should have a future and it doesn't seem that way now. Dan S. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately I'm at work and I can't turn it up load enough to hear the response. What does it say? It sounds to me like they aren't answering the question Werner posed. Meanwhile, while we're all praising MM for the amazing job they've done, that very praise is going to overshadow the fact that MM went way past what was supposed to be done and basically destroyed the 5th Ave. pavilion. Now it's a strip mall with expensive dining. No bandshell. We might as well kiss the bandshell goodbye, because I really don't see MM removing the heating and A/C units. And there is no way on earth that the one next to the stage can be concealed or silenced in any way to make performances up there possible. Once again. our city drops the ball and let's the developers do whatever they want. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I'm wondering why this isn't more of an uproar about the current situation with the bandshell. Actually, if you click here http://www.asburyradio.com/audio/PublicComment070208_007.mp3 and FF to 12:18, I think you'll find the response to Werner's very articulate and well-founded question regarding the bandshell to be quite uproarious - in a Marxian sort of way. (That's in every contract. That's what they call a sanity clause. - Ha! You can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Claus.) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, if you click here http://www.asburyradio.com/audio/PublicComment070208_007.mp3 and FF to 12:18, I think you'll find the response to Werner's very articulate and well-founded question regarding the bandshell to be quite uproarious - in a Marxian sort of way. (That's in every contract. That's what they call a sanity clause. - Ha! You can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Claus.) === Figured I'd give it one last shot at a Public meeting :-( Amazing how A-Partners were finally pushed to restore the building properly and then MM comes along and the entire approval process along with the Dispute Resolution Agreement is thrown out the window. It's now the Tri-color Stucco Wonder Building. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
In a message dated 7/22/2008 10:31:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yet another reason to restore the Pryor bandshell. Imagine it...Hamlet at HoJo's! If it be not now, yet it will come; the readiness is all Let be. Hamlet, V.ii. **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520)
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
Jack, It is not a strip mall...yet. Currently you have mom pop retailers. Many are residents of Asbury who want to aid in the rebuilding and have taken risks to create these specility shops. With that being said, who else would open up stores on the boardwalk/ This is truely the first summer the boradwalk has a direction and it was very late in opening. Retail works in a cycles. You will have the mom pop stores and as they build customers, the retail giants then move in. Rents go up and the mom pops leave. You see this happen all over. If I do recall, MM did mention J Crew as a retailer when they were proposing the boardwalk rebuild. Time will tell. - Original Message From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:12:26 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR. I'm sorry that you take issue with my comment, but to me, the 5th Ave. pavilion currently looks like a strip mall. Does it look better yes, but I think it's been ruined. To me, it looks throw together, and not faithfully restored according to the plan. It doesn't even fit into the classic look of CH and the Paramount, nor what the Casino will look like if that's ever completed. There are strip malls in this country that have fine dining establishments and places like you've mentioned, but they are still strip malls. They are all over the Miami area. I honestly think that people are so weary from decades of neglect that the boardwalk experienced that people have lowered their expectations and are willing to accept any progress without question. Now we have a bandshell that probably doesn't have a future. How is that going to be resolved? I'm willing to bet that it doesn't get resolved, because people are being too seduced by what they perceive to be progress. Our city has also been lulled by the seduction, and they don't appear to have the balls to step up and do anything about it. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many strip malls have places like Hot Sand, LaPlaca and two dining establishments that look out onto a beautiful beach/surf. I take issue with that comment. I do agree, however, that the bandshell should have a future and it doesn't seem that way now. Dan S. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Unfortunately I'm at work and I can't turn it up load enough to hear the response. What does it say? It sounds to me like they aren't answering the question Werner posed. Meanwhile, while we're all praising MM for the amazing job they've done, that very praise is going to overshadow the fact that MM went way past what was supposed to be done and basically destroyed the 5th Ave. pavilion. Now it's a strip mall with expensive dining. No bandshell. We might as well kiss the bandshell goodbye, because I really don't see MM removing the heating and A/C units. And there is no way on earth that the one next to the stage can be concealed or silenced in any way to make performances up there possible. Once again. our city drops the ball and let's the developers do whatever they want. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I'm wondering why this isn't more of an uproar about the current situation with the bandshell. Actually, if you click here http://www.asburyra dio.com/audio/ PublicComment070 208_007.mp3 and FF to 12:18, I think you'll find the response to Werner's very articulate and well-founded question regarding the bandshell to be quite uproarious - in a Marxian sort of way. (That's in every contract. That's what they call a sanity clause. - Ha! You can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Claus.)
[AsburyPark] Promoting Asbury Park, in particular, because the transformation is incredible
An official trip to the Shore, By NANCY SHIELDS _http://tinyurl.com/5nykg9_ (http://tinyurl.com/5nykg9) , July 22, 2008, COASTAL MONMOUTH BUREAU See how nice our beaches are? city Commerce Director Thomas Gilmour asked New Jersey's Secretary of State. Spotless, absolutely spotless, Nina Wells answered. Take her at her word. Wells said she came to the city Monday because it had been a few years since she was in Asbury Park and wanted to see for herself what people are talking about. Gilmour took Wells and Nancy Byrne, executive director of the New Jersey Office of Travel and Tourism, on a tour of Madison Marquette's renovated Convention Hall, Paramount Theatre, boardwalk shops and restaurants, the city's boardwalk and and its beach, as well as the downtown Cookman Avenue restaurants and stores, The Griffin condominium and office building, and Market in the Middle, where they ate lunch. The changes are just breathtaking, said Wells, a lawyer who lives in Livingston and is responsible for promoting and preserving the history, arts and culture of the state. A lot of people don't know how great it is. It's like being in a New York City neighborhood but on the ocean, said Byrne, who lives in Red Bank and is about to move to Oceanport. Wells said she is promoting tourism at the shore and Asbury Park, in particular, because the transformation is incredible. Travel and tourism bring $38 billion into the state, she said. One out of nine jobs is travel- and tourism-related. I'm encouraging our residents to stay in New Jersey, Wells said. You don't need to go anywhere else when you have all this. On a visit to Posh Den, which is showing Timothy White's celebrity photographs until the store's artifacts and home furnishings arrive, store partner Ray Werts said he has been in Asbury Park for eight years. He is one of the many members of the gay community who came to Asbury to invest in the city and help to rebuild it. The past weekend featured a large gay and lesbian presence with the seventh annual Road Trip parties, he said, but at the same time, he saw a strong family presence on the boardwalk, which gave him great satisfaction. Seeing the families come down — that's a sign the gay community did what it was supposed to do, Werts said. We tried to create buzz the last five years, but this is our summer, Gilmour told Wells. It's one of the most special boardwalks, I think, in all of New Jersey, Wells said. Downtown, Marianne Schell, a real estate agent with the John C. Conover Agency, gave the state visitors a tour of the the Griffin building, which has 21 residences on Cookman starting at $449,000. The building, owned by RDR Properties, also will house the first new bank in the city in decades. Rumson-Fair Haven Bank and Trust Co. soon will move in new furniture for Community Bank of Asbury Park. It's great to have someone with such a wide perspective get so excited about Asbury Park, Schell said of Wells' visit. I think she was totally genuine. _An official trip to the Shore | APP.com | Asbury Park Press_ (http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080722/NEWS01/807220368/1004) === Mario _http://factcheck.barackobama.com/_ (http://factcheck.barackobama.com/) **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520)
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
Jack, I am curious what type of shops should be in the pavillions so they aren't a strip mall? Also, who knows if Gary is telling the truth but if you read the article in the tri city news he does not want to bring in big retailers because he realizes that is not what the boardwalk is about and would not create a UNIQUE destination. So far i think they have done a decent job in the unique department. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, It is not a strip mall...yet. Currently you have mom pop retailers. Many are residents of Asbury who want to aid in the rebuilding and have taken risks to create these specility shops. With that being said, who else would open up stores on the boardwalk/ This is truely the first summer the boradwalk has a direction and it was very late in opening. Retail works in a cycles. You will have the mom pop stores and as they build customers, the retail giants then move in. Rents go up and the mom pops leave. You see this happen all over. If I do recall, MM did mention J Crew as a retailer when they were proposing the boardwalk rebuild. Time will tell. - Original Message From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:12:26 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR. I'm sorry that you take issue with my comment, but to me, the 5th Ave. pavilion currently looks like a strip mall. Does it look better yes, but I think it's been ruined. To me, it looks throw together, and not faithfully restored according to the plan. It doesn't even fit into the classic look of CH and the Paramount, nor what the Casino will look like if that's ever completed. There are strip malls in this country that have fine dining establishments and places like you've mentioned, but they are still strip malls. They are all over the Miami area. I honestly think that people are so weary from decades of neglect that the boardwalk experienced that people have lowered their expectations and are willing to accept any progress without question. Now we have a bandshell that probably doesn't have a future. How is that going to be resolved? I'm willing to bet that it doesn't get resolved, because people are being too seduced by what they perceive to be progress. Our city has also been lulled by the seduction, and they don't appear to have the balls to step up and do anything about it. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: How many strip malls have places like Hot Sand, LaPlaca and two dining establishments that look out onto a beautiful beach/surf. I take issue with that comment. I do agree, however, that the bandshell should have a future and it doesn't seem that way now. Dan S. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Unfortunately I'm at work and I can't turn it up load enough to hear the response. What does it say? It sounds to me like they aren't answering the question Werner posed. Meanwhile, while we're all praising MM for the amazing job they've done, that very praise is going to overshadow the fact that MM went way past what was supposed to be done and basically destroyed the 5th Ave. pavilion. Now it's a strip mall with expensive dining. No bandshell. We might as well kiss the bandshell goodbye, because I really don't see MM removing the heating and A/C units. And there is no way on earth that the one next to the stage can be concealed or silenced in any way to make performances up there possible. Once again. our city drops the ball and let's the developers do whatever they want. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I'm wondering why this isn't more of an uproar about the current situation with the bandshell. Actually, if you click here http://www.asburyra dio.com/audio/ PublicComment070 208_007.mp3 and FF to 12:18, I think you'll find the response to Werner's very articulate and well-founded question regarding the bandshell to be quite uproarious - in a Marxian sort of way. (That's in every contract. That's what they call a sanity clause. - Ha! You can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Claus.) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group,
[AsburyPark] Unique vs. strip mall
I also wonder why when something unique is planned like having a theatre presentation in the carousel building , nobody mentions it as non-conformist, anti strip mall type thinking. Now i know the retort could be, BECAUSE IT IS A CAROUSEL DUMMY and should house big wooden horses with kids whirling around. I'm not sure what all the answers are but i do applaud the attempt by MM to think outside the box. So far i have seen non strip-mall tendencies but only time will tell Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
I was thinking more in terms of look then in content. I'd like to be proven wrong. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but respect for all the retailers that have opened on our boardwalk. I guess the problem for me is that I'm not easily seduced by the redevelopment. I will always agree that it looks better, but the direction that the content of the redevelopment has taken does little for me. When I see our boardwalk, I remember the AP of my childhood, as well as all the boardwalks i've seen throughout my life. There's none of that wonder and excitement on our boardwalk for me. None of the sights, sounds or smells. I just see high priced retail, $68 tee shirts and $70 shorts. I don't go to the boardwalk for things like that. And I also think that the traffic we are starting to see would be dramatically bigger if tourism was the focus, not retail. I respect other peoples joy over where we are at, but I'm sorry, it does nothing for me. It's just not what I hoped for, and no matter how hard I try I can't even force myself to like it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, It is not a strip mall...yet. Currently you have mom pop retailers. Many are residents of Asbury who want to aid in the rebuilding and have taken risks to create these specility shops. With that being said, who else would open up stores on the boardwalk/ This is truely the first summer the boradwalk has a direction and it was very late in opening. Retail works in a cycles. You will have the mom pop stores and as they build customers, the retail giants then move in. Rents go up and the mom pops leave. You see this happen all over. If I do recall, MM did mention J Crew as a retailer when they were proposing the boardwalk rebuild. Time will tell. - Original Message From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:12:26 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR. I'm sorry that you take issue with my comment, but to me, the 5th Ave. pavilion currently looks like a strip mall. Does it look better yes, but I think it's been ruined. To me, it looks throw together, and not faithfully restored according to the plan. It doesn't even fit into the classic look of CH and the Paramount, nor what the Casino will look like if that's ever completed. There are strip malls in this country that have fine dining establishments and places like you've mentioned, but they are still strip malls. They are all over the Miami area. I honestly think that people are so weary from decades of neglect that the boardwalk experienced that people have lowered their expectations and are willing to accept any progress without question. Now we have a bandshell that probably doesn't have a future. How is that going to be resolved? I'm willing to bet that it doesn't get resolved, because people are being too seduced by what they perceive to be progress. Our city has also been lulled by the seduction, and they don't appear to have the balls to step up and do anything about it. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: How many strip malls have places like Hot Sand, LaPlaca and two dining establishments that look out onto a beautiful beach/surf. I take issue with that comment. I do agree, however, that the bandshell should have a future and it doesn't seem that way now. Dan S. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Unfortunately I'm at work and I can't turn it up load enough to hear the response. What does it say? It sounds to me like they aren't answering the question Werner posed. Meanwhile, while we're all praising MM for the amazing job they've done, that very praise is going to overshadow the fact that MM went way past what was supposed to be done and basically destroyed the 5th Ave. pavilion. Now it's a strip mall with expensive dining. No bandshell. We might as well kiss the bandshell goodbye, because I really don't see MM removing the heating and A/C units. And there is no way on earth that the one next to the stage can be concealed or silenced in any way to make performances up there possible. Once again. our city drops the ball and let's the developers do whatever they want. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I'm wondering why this isn't more of an uproar about the current situation with the bandshell. Actually, if you click here http://www.asburyra dio.com/audio/ PublicComment070 208_007.mp3 and FF to 12:18, I think you'll find the response to Werner's very articulate and well-founded question regarding the bandshell to
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
Dan, I just want our grand old boardwalk back that gives equal time to entertainment for familes and children. Just like on the inside covers of the Helen Pike book. I miss the crackle of shooting galleries, I miss the ionized air smell of bumper cars and the sweet scent of cotton candy and taffy being made. I miss the screams of children on roller coasters. I miss the view from the top of a ferris wheel. I really miss skee ball. I've seen things that look exactly like what our pavillions are becoming all over this country, from California to Miami...but this isn't California or Miami, it's Asbury Park. Maybe MM is creating a new identity for AP, but that identity has already been taken scores of other times. We already had unique, and that unique has been squandered and ignored. And I can honestly say that if MM would've looked to the past instead of the future, and preserved and brought back the look and feel of the boardwalk as it was in it's heyday, then we would've had unique in our homogenized landscape. Once again, it's just me talking, reflecting on my values, likes and dislikes. Other people love what is happening. I just can't fake that, which is why i'm being so critical. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, I am curious what type of shops should be in the pavillions so they aren't a strip mall? Also, who knows if Gary is telling the truth but if you read the article in the tri city news he does not want to bring in big retailers because he realizes that is not what the boardwalk is about and would not create a UNIQUE destination. So far i think they have done a decent job in the unique department. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: Jack, It is not a strip mall...yet. Currently you have mom pop retailers. Many are residents of Asbury who want to aid in the rebuilding and have taken risks to create these specility shops. With that being said, who else would open up stores on the boardwalk/ This is truely the first summer the boradwalk has a direction and it was very late in opening. Retail works in a cycles. You will have the mom pop stores and as they build customers, the retail giants then move in. Rents go up and the mom pops leave. You see this happen all over. If I do recall, MM did mention J Crew as a retailer when they were proposing the boardwalk rebuild. Time will tell. - Original Message From: Jack Pitzer hinge98@ To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:12:26 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR. I'm sorry that you take issue with my comment, but to me, the 5th Ave. pavilion currently looks like a strip mall. Does it look better yes, but I think it's been ruined. To me, it looks throw together, and not faithfully restored according to the plan. It doesn't even fit into the classic look of CH and the Paramount, nor what the Casino will look like if that's ever completed. There are strip malls in this country that have fine dining establishments and places like you've mentioned, but they are still strip malls. They are all over the Miami area. I honestly think that people are so weary from decades of neglect that the boardwalk experienced that people have lowered their expectations and are willing to accept any progress without question. Now we have a bandshell that probably doesn't have a future. How is that going to be resolved? I'm willing to bet that it doesn't get resolved, because people are being too seduced by what they perceive to be progress. Our city has also been lulled by the seduction, and they don't appear to have the balls to step up and do anything about it. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: How many strip malls have places like Hot Sand, LaPlaca and two dining establishments that look out onto a beautiful beach/surf. I take issue with that comment. I do agree, however, that the bandshell should have a future and it doesn't seem that way now. Dan S. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Unfortunately I'm at work and I can't turn it up load enough to hear the response. What does it say? It sounds to me like they aren't answering the question Werner posed. Meanwhile, while we're all praising MM for the amazing job they've done, that very praise is going to overshadow the fact that MM went way past what was supposed to be done and basically destroyed the 5th Ave. pavilion. Now it's a strip mall with expensive dining. No bandshell. We might as well kiss the bandshell goodbye, because I really don't see MM removing the heating and A/C units. And there is no way on earth that the one next
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
Jack, I understand your point and don't disagree with your desire for something of wonder and excitement. However, those other boarkwalks have been done or are in point pleasant for example. I think our boardwalk is moving towards a music oriented boardwalk with lots of variety for adults. They aren't gearing it for kids and i think that is a purposeful choice. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking more in terms of look then in content. I'd like to be proven wrong. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but respect for all the retailers that have opened on our boardwalk. I guess the problem for me is that I'm not easily seduced by the redevelopment. I will always agree that it looks better, but the direction that the content of the redevelopment has taken does little for me. When I see our boardwalk, I remember the AP of my childhood, as well as all the boardwalks i've seen throughout my life. There's none of that wonder and excitement on our boardwalk for me. None of the sights, sounds or smells. I just see high priced retail, $68 tee shirts and $70 shorts. I don't go to the boardwalk for things like that. And I also think that the traffic we are starting to see would be dramatically bigger if tourism was the focus, not retail. I respect other peoples joy over where we are at, but I'm sorry, it does nothing for me. It's just not what I hoped for, and no matter how hard I try I can't even force myself to like it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: Jack, It is not a strip mall...yet. Currently you have mom pop retailers. Many are residents of Asbury who want to aid in the rebuilding and have taken risks to create these specility shops. With that being said, who else would open up stores on the boardwalk/ This is truely the first summer the boradwalk has a direction and it was very late in opening. Retail works in a cycles. You will have the mom pop stores and as they build customers, the retail giants then move in. Rents go up and the mom pops leave. You see this happen all over. If I do recall, MM did mention J Crew as a retailer when they were proposing the boardwalk rebuild. Time will tell. - Original Message From: Jack Pitzer hinge98@ To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:12:26 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR. I'm sorry that you take issue with my comment, but to me, the 5th Ave. pavilion currently looks like a strip mall. Does it look better yes, but I think it's been ruined. To me, it looks throw together, and not faithfully restored according to the plan. It doesn't even fit into the classic look of CH and the Paramount, nor what the Casino will look like if that's ever completed. There are strip malls in this country that have fine dining establishments and places like you've mentioned, but they are still strip malls. They are all over the Miami area. I honestly think that people are so weary from decades of neglect that the boardwalk experienced that people have lowered their expectations and are willing to accept any progress without question. Now we have a bandshell that probably doesn't have a future. How is that going to be resolved? I'm willing to bet that it doesn't get resolved, because people are being too seduced by what they perceive to be progress. Our city has also been lulled by the seduction, and they don't appear to have the balls to step up and do anything about it. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: How many strip malls have places like Hot Sand, LaPlaca and two dining establishments that look out onto a beautiful beach/surf. I take issue with that comment. I do agree, however, that the bandshell should have a future and it doesn't seem that way now. Dan S. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Unfortunately I'm at work and I can't turn it up load enough to hear the response. What does it say? It sounds to me like they aren't answering the question Werner posed. Meanwhile, while we're all praising MM for the amazing job they've done, that very praise is going to overshadow the fact that MM went way past what was supposed to be done and basically destroyed the 5th Ave. pavilion. Now it's a strip mall with expensive dining. No bandshell. We might as well kiss the bandshell goodbye, because I really don't see MM removing the heating and A/C units. And there is no way on earth that the one next to the stage can be concealed or silenced in any way to make performances up there possible. Once again. our city drops the ball and let's the developers do whatever they want.
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
I can't disagree with that Dan. But, I guess I'm not one of those adults, and I doubt the musical direction things we'll be taking are much to my taste either. If it was more Asbury Lanes/The Saint, i'd be psyched, but I think we're heading in a more conservative musical direction. I'm not a fan of the Jazz Lobsters or P-Dub assassins. I like my music to be a bit more edgy and modern. Original. I don't like shopping. I like to be around history. Funny thing is, I don't like Pt. or Seaside either. Both are kinda trashy in my opinion. Bottom line is that many people are going to love the new AP. I'm just not one of them. I have more fun wandering around Ocean Grove on my bicycle these days. To me, a good time is riding my bike around the tent city in the early evening. There's something about that that just does it for me. I am trying the best I can to find something I like about the boardwalk redev, but I just can't fake it. I'd rather hang out with Jonnie G at his little vending truck then browse thru a store with overpriced clothing. I can do that any day, but I'm not going to waste my time at the beach doing so. And honestly, i'm happy that so many other people are satisfied with the direction that things are going in. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, I understand your point and don't disagree with your desire for something of wonder and excitement. However, those other boarkwalks have been done or are in point pleasant for example. I think our boardwalk is moving towards a music oriented boardwalk with lots of variety for adults. They aren't gearing it for kids and i think that is a purposeful choice. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I was thinking more in terms of look then in content. I'd like to be proven wrong. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but respect for all the retailers that have opened on our boardwalk. I guess the problem for me is that I'm not easily seduced by the redevelopment. I will always agree that it looks better, but the direction that the content of the redevelopment has taken does little for me. When I see our boardwalk, I remember the AP of my childhood, as well as all the boardwalks i've seen throughout my life. There's none of that wonder and excitement on our boardwalk for me. None of the sights, sounds or smells. I just see high priced retail, $68 tee shirts and $70 shorts. I don't go to the boardwalk for things like that. And I also think that the traffic we are starting to see would be dramatically bigger if tourism was the focus, not retail. I respect other peoples joy over where we are at, but I'm sorry, it does nothing for me. It's just not what I hoped for, and no matter how hard I try I can't even force myself to like it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: Jack, It is not a strip mall...yet. Currently you have mom pop retailers. Many are residents of Asbury who want to aid in the rebuilding and have taken risks to create these specility shops. With that being said, who else would open up stores on the boardwalk/ This is truely the first summer the boradwalk has a direction and it was very late in opening. Retail works in a cycles. You will have the mom pop stores and as they build customers, the retail giants then move in. Rents go up and the mom pops leave. You see this happen all over. If I do recall, MM did mention J Crew as a retailer when they were proposing the boardwalk rebuild. Time will tell. - Original Message From: Jack Pitzer hinge98@ To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:12:26 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR. I'm sorry that you take issue with my comment, but to me, the 5th Ave. pavilion currently looks like a strip mall. Does it look better yes, but I think it's been ruined. To me, it looks throw together, and not faithfully restored according to the plan. It doesn't even fit into the classic look of CH and the Paramount, nor what the Casino will look like if that's ever completed. There are strip malls in this country that have fine dining establishments and places like you've mentioned, but they are still strip malls. They are all over the Miami area. I honestly think that people are so weary from decades of neglect that the boardwalk experienced that people have lowered their expectations and are willing to accept any progress without question. Now we have a bandshell that probably doesn't have a future. How is that going to be resolved? I'm willing to bet that it doesn't get resolved, because people are being too seduced by what they perceive to be progress. Our city has also been lulled
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't disagree with that Dan. But, I guess I'm not one of those adults, and I doubt the musical direction things we'll be taking are much to my taste either. If it was more Asbury Lanes/The Saint, i'd be psyched, but I think we're heading in a more conservative musical direction. I'm not a fan of the Jazz Lobsters or P-Dub assassins. I like my music to be a bit more edgy and modern. Original. I don't like shopping. I like to be around history. Funny thing is, I don't like Pt. or Seaside either. Both are kinda trashy in my opinion. Bottom line is that many people are going to love the new AP. I'm just not one of them. I have more fun wandering around Ocean Grove on my bicycle these days. To me, a good time is riding my bike around the tent city in the early evening. There's something about that that just does it for me. I am trying the best I can to find something I like about the boardwalk redev, but I just can't fake it. I'd rather hang out with Jonnie G at his little vending truck then browse thru a store with overpriced clothing. I can do that any day, but I'm not going to waste my time at the beach doing so. And honestly, i'm happy that so many other people are satisfied with the direction that things are going in. -- Jack, what i am taking from your posts is that there is still quite a bit you like in town, but you are not excited about the boardwalk. taking into account all of the things you wish were different, I would imagine that AP still has certain unique and desirable attributes you desirearchitectural elements such as convention hall, music venues such as the the saint and the lanes, family businesses such as Johhny G, proximaty to NYC and interesting communitites such as OG. is there another community that has this much authenticity in the area.even though it is being watered down to a certain extent it is still here in a big way. everytime a bring someone into the city that has not been here they are blown away by how different it is than anywhere esle they have ever been. John Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
John, I think you hit the nail on the head for me. What I still love about AP is Cookman Ave, and the entire area surrounding it. It still retains the AP authenticity that I grew up with. But, for me, it's not just about being sentimental. It's more about uniqueness and diversity. I've traveled extensively, both in this country and abroad, and what I find happening here in America is that too many places are losing their identity to redevelopment that isn't done with a sense of place or history. There are so many places in this country that are cookie cutter exactly the same. When I used to tour in the music biz, i recall waking up in my tour bus and being confused because I knew we just drove 600 miles overnight, but the view out the window was virtually the same as the place we just left. That observation was repeated over and over. But there is unique here in America. Places like Lawrence Kansas, Seattle, Madison Wisconsin, much of NYC to name a few. When I look at our current boardwalk, I see the beautiful CH/Paramount on one end, and the ghost of The Casino on the other. But in between, I see pedestrian boring architecture that reminds me of strip malls. Maybe not typical NJ strip malls, but no different then what overpopulates places like Miami. I really don't think the middle redeveloped section of the boardwalk fits in with the end pieces. I think the pavilion that MM and AP Partners has their offices in to be a complete waste of space. I understand that there's a cat haven above the MM offices, but does that really belong in a boardwalk pavilion? Not in my opinion. I really dislike the shipping containers, despite what goodies live inside them, and I really hate that one of them is crowding Madam Maries. And, unfortunately for me, I grew up here, so I still have a memory of what once was, from the Swan boats, to the amazing movie theaters, to the Metropolitain to riding the Ferris Wheel in the Palace. I just can't find that feeling in what we have now. Eventually, we'll probably have condos filling the empty lots. Some people love that because of the $ they can generate, but i'm not really all about money. It's all old news though. I think we lost too much of our uniqueness and it's never coming back, at least as far as the boardwalk goes. As i've said, some people will love it, and I suspect those people kinda like being in familiar surroundings no matter where they are. Like my friends that insist on eating McDonalds when they travel abroad instead of delving into local cuisine (which is quite prevalent in the rock touring world) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I can't disagree with that Dan. But, I guess I'm not one of those adults, and I doubt the musical direction things we'll be taking are much to my taste either. If it was more Asbury Lanes/The Saint, i'd be psyched, but I think we're heading in a more conservative musical direction. I'm not a fan of the Jazz Lobsters or P-Dub assassins. I like my music to be a bit more edgy and modern. Original. I don't like shopping. I like to be around history. Funny thing is, I don't like Pt. or Seaside either. Both are kinda trashy in my opinion. Bottom line is that many people are going to love the new AP. I'm just not one of them. I have more fun wandering around Ocean Grove on my bicycle these days. To me, a good time is riding my bike around the tent city in the early evening. There's something about that that just does it for me. I am trying the best I can to find something I like about the boardwalk redev, but I just can't fake it. I'd rather hang out with Jonnie G at his little vending truck then browse thru a store with overpriced clothing. I can do that any day, but I'm not going to waste my time at the beach doing so. And honestly, i'm happy that so many other people are satisfied with the direction that things are going in. -- Jack, what i am taking from your posts is that there is still quite a bit you like in town, but you are not excited about the boardwalk. taking into account all of the things you wish were different, I would imagine that AP still has certain unique and desirable attributes you desirearchitectural elements such as convention hall, music venues such as the the saint and the lanes, family businesses such as Johhny G, proximaty to NYC and interesting communitites such as OG. is there another community that has this much authenticity in the area.even though it is being watered down to a certain extent it is still here in a big way. everytime a bring someone into the city that has not been here they are blown away by how different it is than anywhere esle they have ever been. John
[AsburyPark] Re: Unique vs. strip mall
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also wonder why when something unique is planned like having a theatre presentation in the carousel building , nobody mentions it as non-conformist, anti strip mall type thinking. Now i know the retort could be, BECAUSE IT IS A CAROUSEL DUMMY and should house big wooden horses with kids whirling around. I'm not sure what all the answers are but i do applaud the attempt by MM to think outside the box. So far i have seen non strip-mall tendencies but only time will tell Perhaps folks would be more excited if they were putting on this show http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7941/caouselalbumcoverfixed0ns.jpg instead. [B-)]
[AsburyPark] Behind the Blue Screen at Roadtrip 7
This was not typical but the video does show what was going on in the background. (Warning - vulgar language) See what was really going on behind that blue screen: http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=partiessc=sc2=7sc3=id=77794 http://www.edgeboston.com/index.php?ch=partiessc=sc2=7sc3=id=77794 Attracting interest from Boston is a bit cool!
[AsburyPark] Re: This weekend's pictures
Comments below: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint dapawprint@ wrote: I have uploaded them to Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dapaw Great pics and it's nice to see the beach so crowded. I'm curious how folks feel about that big blue screen that, according to your caption, was put up so people who didn't pay to get into the party couldn't see. My comment was based upon a conversation that I was privy to between the promoter and employees of Madison Marquette at the Wonderbar. Did it cover just the area of the dance party? Or was it up all the way between CH and the Casino? Or even halfway? I guess if it was just cordoning off a few dozen feet that's okay, but it wouldn't send the best message if they start limiting the view of the Atlantic to the privileged few. But again, the crowds were good. It covered only the area of the 5th Avenue Beach. From the comments that I am receiving on my photos, people liked peeking over! Are those wood boards on top of the oceanside wall of the First Avenue Pavilion going to become anything? I hope they're not sticking a permanent bus shelter type overhang there. Retractable awnings would be better. Corazza needs a more lively color too. Maybe aquamarine for the Blue Bishops? I assume that you are talking about THESE boards (plywood): a href=http://www.flickr.com/photos/dapaw/2690865640/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/dapaw/2690865640/ title=Bodega by dapawprint, on Flickrimg src=http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/2690865640_b5b41818c2.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/2690865640_b5b41818c2.jpg width=500 height=375 alt=Bodega //a Hard canopies, in a wave design are supposed to attach to the plywood. It's cool to see the pride flags on the boardwalk. Does MM plan to put other flags up throughout the season? Like these state and American flags http://www.asburyboardwalk.com/cards/asburyparkmarine.jpg the city used to fly there? Or maybe flags of different nations during the Olympics? Might be nice. I smiled when I saw this comment. At the Palace, on the Ferris Wheel, each car was named after a popular city in the area. It might be a nice nostalgic token for the developers to display flags reminiscent of that memory. The rainbow flags are used at every Roadtrip. You have a great idea there! Re: The shipping containers. I love a good Cuban sandwich (Zafra in Hoboken...m). But all the fake palm trees and colorful umbrellas in the world won't make these things look any less temporary and, thus, schlocky. There's been talk of reviving the Circuit. Wouldn't putting some of these businesses on Kingsley go a long way toward that end? They tore down the Flamingo anyway. They have the space. And what's going on with that blue shack behind the Pony that's been falling in on itself for 30 years? These businesses could occupy those spaces, you get the ratables plus foot traffic a block back, and you wouldn't lose the sightlines or airflow from the boardwalk. Werner would support your comments, the developers would not. It is interesting that the laws for bicycles and animals are being enforced, but if you look at the new signage, Mr. Bradley's law of No Alcohol East of Ocean Avenue is not being enforced. Placing businesses on Kingsley could allow the law to be enforced and create the foot traffic and re-create the Circuit as you suggest. But so as not to end on a downer, the Beach Bar looks very nice and it's heartening to see so many people and so many businesses in the CH arcade. Reminds me of the old classic car and boat shows there. (hopefully they'll bring those back. Along with the organ concerts http://www.ogcma.org/pages/organrecitals ! [;)] ) And that sandcastle workshop was a great idea. Anybody go to that? Any pics of the results? I regret not getting pictures of the sandcastles! Good to see the volleyball nets up too. With Belmar seemingly intent on alienating its traditional revenue base http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/am-jersey0718,0,1256772.story\ \ , maybe the AP Chamber of Commerce could start writing some friendly letters to the AVP http://web.avp.com/events/index.jsp?eventId=1027 . Just a thought. Finally, you better be careful. With all the folks clamoring to see the guy with the duck, D-For could become the new Tillie! ;) Haha - a woman came running up to us on Ocean Avenue - she was yelling Oh, my God, Oh, My God!! When she caught up to us, she said I have been hearing about you all day on the boardwalk (the duck was never on the boards) and I HAD to meet you, you are more popular than Bruce Springsteen! I just laughed.
