[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
I've seen them during the day and at night when there's something going on. Saw two yesterday on foot patrol walking north along Main --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: This concerns me. I am out and about often on Cookman at night and rarely see any police on foot patrol. I see patrol cars cruise by on occasion but no foot patrol, which would help with mugging attempts I think (and overall crime in general) Am I missing them, or are they truly lacking at night in the downtown area? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:42:25 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003 Best comment so far. Right on the money. One of my co-workers wife's expressed concern about using the parking meters late in the evening. She's feels like a sitting duck in the dark while getting out her wallet, and having to hold her cell phone in one hand as a flashlight because the keypad is hard to see (I see people doing that every day). Is that not a very valid concern? It's not much different than the issue on my 200 block. Just this past weekend my next door neighbor started a conversation asking if I felt safe in reference to parking around the block, which makes the 3 occupied houses on my block look empty. Nobody is parking on 1st Ave, and the city refuses to budge about easing year round, till midnight parking. What happens when one of our houses gets broken into because we now look like easy targets? It's already happened once to my next door neighbor. Somebody climbed over his fence, into his locked back yard, and stole 2 bikes that were locked up back there. My downstairs neighbor, who's pretty tough, has also expressed concerns related to our abandoned street. That's why we are pressing our luck and parking out front. So far, no tickets. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Dubrow traderdube@ wrote: Many of you are personalizing the situation. The fact is that if you talk to the business owners who rely on their business to live, they are down. Some of them are holding out hope that in the long run the parking will pay off. Before the parking went into effect I know a couple of downtown residents that parked 2 or 3 cars on Cookman, leaving them there for days at a time. Similarly, we used to watch the owners/employees of stores park their cars in front of their stores all day, yet they still complained they had no business. And while we all know that the riots of July 4 are the traditional date that started the decay of Asbury as a downtown shopping mecca, it was the malls and free parking that had an equally bad affect on downtowns in Red Bank and Long Branch as well as Asbury. And it has been mentioned, where is the marketing for downtown AP? There is none, other than a weekly huge email from the city, that basically promotes bars and restaurants. All, 100% of the business owners I know and have recently spoken with about the parking are/were in favor of the paid parking, but that doesn't change the fact that they are going to have a helluva time coming up with the Nov 1 rent check. And there is another issue that is not being discussed. The business owners and their employees who work after dark, who work until 10PM and later. They now have to walk 3-4-5 blocks to their cars at night. I have been told that one person has already been accosted and robbed while walking to their car. While paid parking is a fruitful plan, the fruit needs to start out as seeds, or it's artificial; the implementation of park; The Parking Plan, is either non-existent, or artificial. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
Haven't read all of the posts yet, so maybe someone else noticed this already, but I've been noticing a few people parking in Ocean Grove and going to Asbury. I'm sure this has been going on for a while, but I noticed people walking back to and leaving a certain area. Not going to say where it is as not to ruin it. It's pretty obvious, though. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
I came in 2004, America's Cup was not here until much later. In 2004, there was Harry's Roadhouse, Rock Paper Scissors, Be Green and Janet's boutique on Cookman, with a few other things. When did America's Cup open? 2008? When I first moved here, I just parked on Lake bc there was always parking over there at that time. Quite honestly, I kind of avoided Cookman BC of the parking situation in more recent years. I could never find a spot and I find that annoying if I just want to run in somewhere for something quick. So, I think it really cuts both ways. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Where were these patrons (that are suddenly gone from the downtown) parking before the meters went into effect? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dennis Dubrow traderdube@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:42:37 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] 2003 Asbury is a ghost town, I spoke to a number of Cookman retailers, business is down since the meters went into effect. It reminds me of 8 years ago when we bulls some stores and rented them, then America's cup opened and we sat there waiting for a customer to come in...and waited and waited and waited. The merchants that are still there, and almost all the current merchants are hard working business people, not weekend warriors looking for a tax write off by opening a store...and then never opening. The high taxes, the extraordinary cost of opening a business in AP, and now the parking meters that don't even work are a detriment to downtown Asbury in a huge way. Occupay AP should be railing against this travesty of a money grab by the powers that be in city hall. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003
I'm with you, I avoided too - now i don't avoid, i think it's great that i can find parking. If you talk to some of the retailers they're happy about the parking situation and it has increased business for them. There are always going to be complainers, it's human nature, if it wasn't parking they'd be complaining about the roadworks, or the weather or the something else, something else. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:32 AM, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@yahoo.comwrote: ** I came in 2004, America's Cup was not here until much later. In 2004, there was Harry's Roadhouse, Rock Paper Scissors, Be Green and Janet's boutique on Cookman, with a few other things. When did America's Cup open? 2008? When I first moved here, I just parked on Lake bc there was always parking over there at that time. Quite honestly, I kind of avoided Cookman BC of the parking situation in more recent years. I could never find a spot and I find that annoying if I just want to run in somewhere for something quick. So, I think it really cuts both ways. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Where were these patrons (that are suddenly gone from the downtown) parking before the meters went into effect? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dennis Dubrow traderdube@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:42:37 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] 2003 Asbury is a ghost town, I spoke to a number of Cookman retailers, business is down since the meters went into effect. It reminds me of 8 years ago when we bulls some stores and rented them, then America's cup opened and we sat there waiting for a customer to come in...and waited and waited and waited. The merchants that are still there, and almost all the current merchants are hard working business people, not weekend warriors looking for a tax write off by opening a store...and then never opening. The high taxes, the extraordinary cost of opening a business in AP, and now the parking meters that don't even work are a detriment to downtown Asbury in a huge way. Occupay AP should be railing against this travesty of a money grab by the powers that be in city hall. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003
I agree 110% Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Claire Davids claire.dav...@its-ship.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:35:51 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003 I'm with you, I avoided too - now i don't avoid, i think it's great that i can find parking. If you talk to some of the retailers they're happy about the parking situation and it has increased business for them. There are always going to be complainers, it's human nature, if it wasn't parking they'd be complaining about the roadworks, or the weather or the something else, something else. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:32 AM, fancypaaantz fancypaaa...@yahoo.comwrote: ** I came in 2004, America's Cup was not here until much later. In 2004, there was Harry's Roadhouse, Rock Paper Scissors, Be Green and Janet's boutique on Cookman, with a few other things. When did America's Cup open? 2008? When I first moved here, I just parked on Lake bc there was always parking over there at that time. Quite honestly, I kind of avoided Cookman BC of the parking situation in more recent years. I could never find a spot and I find that annoying if I just want to run in somewhere for something quick. So, I think it really cuts both ways. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Where were these patrons (that are suddenly gone from the downtown) parking before the meters went into effect? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dennis Dubrow traderdube@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:42:37 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] 2003 Asbury is a ghost town, I spoke to a number of Cookman retailers, business is down since the meters went into effect. It reminds me of 8 years ago when we bulls some stores and rented them, then America's cup opened and we sat there waiting for a customer to come in...and waited and waited and waited. The merchants that are still there, and almost all the current merchants are hard working business people, not weekend warriors looking for a tax write off by opening a store...and then never opening. The high taxes, the extraordinary cost of opening a business in AP, and now the parking meters that don't even work are a detriment to downtown Asbury in a huge way. Occupay AP should be railing against this travesty of a money grab by the powers that be in city hall. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
Meanwhile, several of the business's that lobbied for paid parking are stating that business has gone downhill since it went into effect. There's also unhappy people north of the parking zone in the residential neighborhoods. Scores of employee's who are not willing to pay to park are now parking in those areas. It really gets bad when the school in that neighborhood gets out. There used to be open parking for people to stop and wait for their kids, now it's become a log jam that did not exist before. Also, there were 3 break in's this past week, 2 on Mattison and 1 on Cookman. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@... wrote: I'm with you, I avoided too - now i don't avoid, i think it's great that i can find parking. If you talk to some of the retailers they're happy about the parking situation and it has increased business for them. There are always going to be complainers, it's human nature, if it wasn't parking they'd be complaining about the roadworks, or the weather or the something else, something else. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:32 AM, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@...wrote: ** I came in 2004, America's Cup was not here until much later. In 2004, there was Harry's Roadhouse, Rock Paper Scissors, Be Green and Janet's boutique on Cookman, with a few other things. When did America's Cup open? 2008? When I first moved here, I just parked on Lake bc there was always parking over there at that time. Quite honestly, I kind of avoided Cookman BC of the parking situation in more recent years. I could never find a spot and I find that annoying if I just want to run in somewhere for something quick. So, I think it really cuts both ways. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Where were these patrons (that are suddenly gone from the downtown) parking before the meters went into effect? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dennis Dubrow traderdube@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:42:37 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] 2003 Asbury is a ghost town, I spoke to a number of Cookman retailers, business is down since the meters went into effect. It reminds me of 8 years ago when we bulls some stores and rented them, then America's cup opened and we sat there waiting for a customer to come in...and waited and waited and waited. The merchants that are still there, and almost all the current merchants are hard working business people, not weekend warriors looking for a tax write off by opening a store...and then never opening. The high taxes, the extraordinary cost of opening a business in AP, and now the parking meters that don't even work are a detriment to downtown Asbury in a huge way. Occupay AP should be railing against this travesty of a money grab by the powers that be in city hall. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
Yesterday morning, I stopped at America's Cup for a bagel. Totally dead compared to before parking went into effect. I overheard a conversation with the owner saying that business is down big time. Same thing with Russo Music. They are saying that they had the worst week of business since they opened. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: Meanwhile, several of the business's that lobbied for paid parking are stating that business has gone downhill since it went into effect. There's also unhappy people north of the parking zone in the residential neighborhoods. Scores of employee's who are not willing to pay to park are now parking in those areas. It really gets bad when the school in that neighborhood gets out. There used to be open parking for people to stop and wait for their kids, now it's become a log jam that did not exist before. Also, there were 3 break in's this past week, 2 on Mattison and 1 on Cookman. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@ wrote: I'm with you, I avoided too - now i don't avoid, i think it's great that i can find parking. If you talk to some of the retailers they're happy about the parking situation and it has increased business for them. There are always going to be complainers, it's human nature, if it wasn't parking they'd be complaining about the roadworks, or the weather or the something else, something else. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:32 AM, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@wrote: ** I came in 2004, America's Cup was not here until much later. In 2004, there was Harry's Roadhouse, Rock Paper Scissors, Be Green and Janet's boutique on Cookman, with a few other things. When did America's Cup open? 2008? When I first moved here, I just parked on Lake bc there was always parking over there at that time. Quite honestly, I kind of avoided Cookman BC of the parking situation in more recent years. I could never find a spot and I find that annoying if I just want to run in somewhere for something quick. So, I think it really cuts both ways. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Where were these patrons (that are suddenly gone from the downtown) parking before the meters went into effect? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dennis Dubrow traderdube@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:42:37 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] 2003 Asbury is a ghost town, I spoke to a number of Cookman retailers, business is down since the meters went into effect. It reminds me of 8 years ago when we bulls some stores and rented them, then America's cup opened and we sat there waiting for a customer to come in...and waited and waited and waited. The merchants that are still there, and almost all the current merchants are hard working business people, not weekend warriors looking for a tax write off by opening a store...and then never opening. The high taxes, the extraordinary cost of opening a business in AP, and now the parking meters that don't even work are a detriment to downtown Asbury in a huge way. Occupay AP should be railing against this travesty of a money grab by the powers that be in city hall. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003
Take the conversation further with the Americas Cup owner though, my husband and i spoke to him last saturday for a while about parking and at that point he was very happy with the paid parking, even if business is down he sees it as a huge benefit in the long term, plus you can't gauge business being down, there are now 3 coffee shops downtown (if you include the gelato place), maybe that's why business is down, we don't drink enough coffee to support 3 coffee shops. maybe now there's parking people will come from neighbouring towns for coffee. there are way too many variables at play to blame it one just one thing. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Hinge hing...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Yesterday morning, I stopped at America's Cup for a bagel. Totally dead compared to before parking went into effect. I overheard a conversation with the owner saying that business is down big time. Same thing with Russo Music. They are saying that they had the worst week of business since they opened. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: Meanwhile, several of the business's that lobbied for paid parking are stating that business has gone downhill since it went into effect. There's also unhappy people north of the parking zone in the residential neighborhoods. Scores of employee's who are not willing to pay to park are now parking in those areas. It really gets bad when the school in that neighborhood gets out. There used to be open parking for people to stop and wait for their kids, now it's become a log jam that did not exist before. Also, there were 3 break in's this past week, 2 on Mattison and 1 on Cookman. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@ wrote: I'm with you, I avoided too - now i don't avoid, i think it's great that i can find parking. If you talk to some of the retailers they're happy about the parking situation and it has increased business for them. There are always going to be complainers, it's human nature, if it wasn't parking they'd be complaining about the roadworks, or the weather or the something else, something else. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:32 AM, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@wrote: ** I came in 2004, America's Cup was not here until much later. In 2004, there was Harry's Roadhouse, Rock Paper Scissors, Be Green and Janet's boutique on Cookman, with a few other things. When did America's Cup open? 2008? When I first moved here, I just parked on Lake bc there was always parking over there at that time. Quite honestly, I kind of avoided Cookman BC of the parking situation in more recent years. I could never find a spot and I find that annoying if I just want to run in somewhere for something quick. So, I think it really cuts both ways. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Where were these patrons (that are suddenly gone from the downtown) parking before the meters went into effect? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dennis Dubrow traderdube@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:42:37 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] 2003 Asbury is a ghost town, I spoke to a number of Cookman retailers, business is down since the meters went into effect. It reminds me of 8 years ago when we bulls some stores and rented them, then America's cup opened and we sat there waiting for a customer to come in...and waited and waited and waited. The merchants that are still there, and almost all the current merchants are hard working business people, not weekend warriors looking for a tax write off by opening a store...and then never opening. The high taxes, the extraordinary cost of opening a business in AP, and now the parking meters that don't even work are a detriment to downtown Asbury in a huge way. Occupay AP should be railing against this travesty of a money grab by the powers that be in city hall. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
The bottom line in my opinion is people coming to the downtown area to eat are happy to find open parking spaces, but the reality is that during working hours, downtown has become a ghosttown, and tons of people aren't happy about it. The city has basically said screw you to employees and residents. Same thing that happened in my neighborhood. I think the America's Cup guy is reluctant to admit that his own push for paid parking has had a detrimental effect on his business. I work on Bond Street. Every employee at my company refused to buy a parking pass. In this economy, adding what amounts to another tax on your income simply isn't a good idea. Not only that, but I believe that if you buy the employee parking pass, you still have to park blocks away from where you work. Correct me if I'm wrong about that one. Then, if you get somebody like me, who now has to pay to park in front of his home and works downtown, you are screwed. How is this helping residents and employees? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@... wrote: Take the conversation further with the Americas Cup owner though, my husband and i spoke to him last saturday for a while about parking and at that point he was very happy with the paid parking, even if business is down he sees it as a huge benefit in the long term, plus you can't gauge business being down, there are now 3 coffee shops downtown (if you include the gelato place), maybe that's why business is down, we don't drink enough coffee to support 3 coffee shops. maybe now there's parking people will come from neighbouring towns for coffee. there are way too many variables at play to blame it one just one thing. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: ** Yesterday morning, I stopped at America's Cup for a bagel. Totally dead compared to before parking went into effect. I overheard a conversation with the owner saying that business is down big time. Same thing with Russo Music. They are saying that they had the worst week of business since they opened. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Meanwhile, several of the business's that lobbied for paid parking are stating that business has gone downhill since it went into effect. There's also unhappy people north of the parking zone in the residential neighborhoods. Scores of employee's who are not willing to pay to park are now parking in those areas. It really gets bad when the school in that neighborhood gets out. There used to be open parking for people to stop and wait for their kids, now it's become a log jam that did not exist before. Also, there were 3 break in's this past week, 2 on Mattison and 1 on Cookman. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@ wrote: I'm with you, I avoided too - now i don't avoid, i think it's great that i can find parking. If you talk to some of the retailers they're happy about the parking situation and it has increased business for them. There are always going to be complainers, it's human nature, if it wasn't parking they'd be complaining about the roadworks, or the weather or the something else, something else. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:32 AM, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@wrote: ** I came in 2004, America's Cup was not here until much later. In 2004, there was Harry's Roadhouse, Rock Paper Scissors, Be Green and Janet's boutique on Cookman, with a few other things. When did America's Cup open? 2008? When I first moved here, I just parked on Lake bc there was always parking over there at that time. Quite honestly, I kind of avoided Cookman BC of the parking situation in more recent years. I could never find a spot and I find that annoying if I just want to run in somewhere for something quick. So, I think it really cuts both ways. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Where were these patrons (that are suddenly gone from the downtown) parking before the meters went into effect? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dennis Dubrow traderdube@ Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:42:37 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] 2003 Asbury is a ghost town, I spoke to a number of Cookman retailers, business is down since the meters went into effect. It reminds me of 8 years ago when we bulls some stores and rented them, then America's cup opened and we sat there waiting for a customer to come in...and waited and waited and waited. The merchants that are still there, and almost all the current merchants are hard working business people, not
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I don't know of many places located in a downtown city area where parking is free for employees, my company offers discounted parking for $380 a month now, and that's discounted Let's take away the meters.. if every parking spot is filled by employees and residents on Cookman, do you think its right to ask a patron to park blocks away to do their shopping? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:53:51 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003 The bottom line in my opinion is people coming to the downtown area to eat are happy to find open parking spaces, but the reality is that during working hours, downtown has become a ghosttown, and tons of people aren't happy about it. The city has basically said screw you to employees and residents. Same thing that happened in my neighborhood. I think the America's Cup guy is reluctant to admit that his own push for paid parking has had a detrimental effect on his business. I work on Bond Street. Every employee at my company refused to buy a parking pass. In this economy, adding what amounts to another tax on your income simply isn't a good idea. Not only that, but I believe that if you buy the employee parking pass, you still have to park blocks away from where you work. Correct me if I'm wrong about that one. Then, if you get somebody like me, who now has to pay to park in front of his home and works downtown, you are screwed. How is this helping residents and employees? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@... wrote: Take the conversation further with the Americas Cup owner though, my husband and i spoke to him last saturday for a while about parking and at that point he was very happy with the paid parking, even if business is down he sees it as a huge benefit in the long term, plus you can't gauge business being down, there are now 3 coffee shops downtown (if you include the gelato place), maybe that's why business is down, we don't drink enough coffee to support 3 coffee shops. maybe now there's parking people will come from neighbouring towns for coffee. there are way too many variables at play to blame it one just one thing. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: ** Yesterday morning, I stopped at America's Cup for a bagel. Totally dead compared to before parking went into effect. I overheard a conversation with the owner saying that business is down big time. Same thing with Russo Music. They are saying that they had the worst week of business since they opened. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Meanwhile, several of the business's that lobbied for paid parking are stating that business has gone downhill since it went into effect. There's also unhappy people north of the parking zone in the residential neighborhoods. Scores of employee's who are not willing to pay to park are now parking in those areas. It really gets bad when the school in that neighborhood gets out. There used to be open parking for people to stop and wait for their kids, now it's become a log jam that did not exist before. Also, there were 3 break in's this past week, 2 on Mattison and 1 on Cookman. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@ wrote: I'm with you, I avoided too - now i don't avoid, i think it's great that i can find parking. If you talk to some of the retailers they're happy about the parking situation and it has increased business for them. There are always going to be complainers, it's human nature, if it wasn't parking they'd be complaining about the roadworks, or the weather or the something else, something else. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:32 AM, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@wrote: ** I came in 2004, America's Cup was not here until much later. In 2004, there was Harry's Roadhouse, Rock Paper Scissors, Be Green and Janet's boutique on Cookman, with a few other things. When did America's Cup open? 2008? When I first moved here, I just parked on Lake bc there was always parking over there at that time. Quite honestly, I kind of avoided Cookman BC of the parking situation in more recent years. I could never find a spot and I find that annoying if I just want to run in somewhere for something quick. So, I think it really cuts both ways. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@ wrote: Where were these patrons (that are suddenly gone from the downtown) parking before the meters went into effect? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dennis Dubrow traderdube@ Sender
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We have to compare it to other towns though, if you lived and worked in Hoboken, Jersey City, Manhattan in the downtown areas you would have to pay for parking (when we lived in NY we paid nearly $000s/month for parking for a car and motorbike), it's a lifestyle choice we had to accept. Living in AP and working in AP is no different to that, much cheaper, but you would expect it to be much cheaper as it's the suburbs. It's tough to impose costs on people who have not paid them until now, and I understand that is not pleasant to increase your cost of living and I truly feel for those impacted, but perhaps we've not been in a reality until now. It's not dissimilar to gas pricing, when gas was $1.50/gallon it was not a reality, the rest of the world was paying $5 to $10 / gallon if not an oil producing nation. So when it raised to $3 / $4 here it put the country in a real situation as opposed to a deflated one. I don't mean to bring this up to raise a debate on gas prices here or cause some political debate, i'm just using it as a comparison about living in reality. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Hinge hing...@yahoo.com wrote: ** The bottom line in my opinion is people coming to the downtown area to eat are happy to find open parking spaces, but the reality is that during working hours, downtown has become a ghosttown, and tons of people aren't happy about it. The city has basically said screw you to employees and residents. Same thing that happened in my neighborhood. I think the America's Cup guy is reluctant to admit that his own push for paid parking has had a detrimental effect on his business. I work on Bond Street. Every employee at my company refused to buy a parking pass. In this economy, adding what amounts to another tax on your income simply isn't a good idea. Not only that, but I believe that if you buy the employee parking pass, you still have to park blocks away from where you work. Correct me if I'm wrong about that one. Then, if you get somebody like me, who now has to pay to park in front of his home and works downtown, you are screwed. How is this helping residents and employees? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@... wrote: Take the conversation further with the Americas Cup owner though, my husband and i spoke to him last saturday for a while about parking and at that point he was very happy with the paid parking, even if business is down he sees it as a huge benefit in the long term, plus you can't gauge business being down, there are now 3 coffee shops downtown (if you include the gelato place), maybe that's why business is down, we don't drink enough coffee to support 3 coffee shops. maybe now there's parking people will come from neighbouring towns for coffee. there are way too many variables at play to blame it one just one thing. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: ** Yesterday morning, I stopped at America's Cup for a bagel. Totally dead compared to before parking went into effect. I overheard a conversation with the owner saying that business is down big time. Same thing with Russo Music. They are saying that they had the worst week of business since they opened. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Meanwhile, several of the business's that lobbied for paid parking are stating that business has gone downhill since it went into effect. There's also unhappy people north of the parking zone in the residential neighborhoods. Scores of employee's who are not willing to pay to park are now parking in those areas. It really gets bad when the school in that neighborhood gets out. There used to be open parking for people to stop and wait for their kids, now it's become a log jam that did not exist before. Also, there were 3 break in's this past week, 2 on Mattison and 1 on Cookman. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@ wrote: I'm with you, I avoided too - now i don't avoid, i think it's great that i can find parking. If you talk to some of the retailers they're happy about the parking situation and it has increased business for them. There are always going to be complainers, it's human nature, if it wasn't parking they'd be complaining about the roadworks, or the weather or the something else, something else. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:32 AM, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: ** I came in 2004, America's Cup was not here until much later. In 2004, there was Harry's Roadhouse, Rock Paper Scissors, Be Green and Janet's boutique on Cookman, with a few other things. When did America's Cup open? 2008? When I first moved here, I just parked on Lake bc there was always parking over there at that time. Quite honestly, I
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Doesn't it really depend on the income level of the business's in a city with a parking issue? Downtown AP isn't exactly a high income earning area, so it's not easy to compare it to places like NYC, Jersey City or others. Those are full on cities. AP is only a city by name and it's primarily residential. I don't have all of the answers, but I can honestly say that as a downtown employee, I've heard nothing but negative talk since parking went into effect. As I've said before, I ride my bike most of the time. Yesterday, it rained so I drove. I'm on a very tight budget. After a year and a half of unemployment, I returned to the work force making approx. half of what I made previously. I went from 70k a year to 38k. Every penny counts. Lot's of people are in the same boat as me. Perhaps the problem is mixing residential and business? Maybe paid parking could have been avoided if they simply enforced the 2 hour parking areas. All I know is residents aren't happy about having to park blocks away from their homes. If you go grocery shopping and live on Cookman, imagine walking blocks with your load of groceries, or making multiple trips. Downtown AP is full of musicians. Imagine trying to get your drums, or guitar or bass and your amp to your car blocks away, or not having a place in the evening to pull up to to load your car? That's what I'm hearing about every day. I work in an office filled with AP musicians, and I work at The Saint, where people are totally unhappy with the city at this time. It's easy to see things thru rose colored glasses where restaurant patrons are now happy and avoid thinking about the people that the parking issue has effected. If the city were smart (which they are not and history supports that) they would have done more research, run a trial with simulated paid parking, and study the seasonal nature as it relates to business in AP. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: I don't know of many places located in a downtown city area where parking is free for employees, my company offers discounted parking for $380 a month now, and that's discounted Let's take away the meters.. if every parking spot is filled by employees and residents on Cookman, do you think its right to ask a patron to park blocks away to do their shopping? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:53:51 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003 The bottom line in my opinion is people coming to the downtown area to eat are happy to find open parking spaces, but the reality is that during working hours, downtown has become a ghosttown, and tons of people aren't happy about it. The city has basically said screw you to employees and residents. Same thing that happened in my neighborhood. I think the America's Cup guy is reluctant to admit that his own push for paid parking has had a detrimental effect on his business. I work on Bond Street. Every employee at my company refused to buy a parking pass. In this economy, adding what amounts to another tax on your income simply isn't a good idea. Not only that, but I believe that if you buy the employee parking pass, you still have to park blocks away from where you work. Correct me if I'm wrong about that one. Then, if you get somebody like me, who now has to pay to park in front of his home and works downtown, you are screwed. How is this helping residents and employees? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@ wrote: Take the conversation further with the Americas Cup owner though, my husband and i spoke to him last saturday for a while about parking and at that point he was very happy with the paid parking, even if business is down he sees it as a huge benefit in the long term, plus you can't gauge business being down, there are now 3 coffee shops downtown (if you include the gelato place), maybe that's why business is down, we don't drink enough coffee to support 3 coffee shops. maybe now there's parking people will come from neighbouring towns for coffee. there are way too many variables at play to blame it one just one thing. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: ** Yesterday morning, I stopped at America's Cup for a bagel. Totally dead compared to before parking went into effect. I overheard a conversation with the owner saying that business is down big time. Same thing with Russo Music. They are saying that they had the worst week of business since they opened. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Meanwhile, several of the business's that lobbied for paid parking are stating that business has gone downhill since it went into effect. There's also unhappy
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How can you economically compare Hoboken, JC and Manhattan to downtown AP realistically? The income levels are totally different. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@... wrote: We have to compare it to other towns though, if you lived and worked in Hoboken, Jersey City, Manhattan in the downtown areas you would have to pay for parking (when we lived in NY we paid nearly $000s/month for parking for a car and motorbike), it's a lifestyle choice we had to accept. Living in AP and working in AP is no different to that, much cheaper, but you would expect it to be much cheaper as it's the suburbs. It's tough to impose costs on people who have not paid them until now, and I understand that is not pleasant to increase your cost of living and I truly feel for those impacted, but perhaps we've not been in a reality until now. It's not dissimilar to gas pricing, when gas was $1.50/gallon it was not a reality, the rest of the world was paying $5 to $10 / gallon if not an oil producing nation. So when it raised to $3 / $4 here it put the country in a real situation as opposed to a deflated one. I don't mean to bring this up to raise a debate on gas prices here or cause some political debate, i'm just using it as a comparison about living in reality. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: ** The bottom line in my opinion is people coming to the downtown area to eat are happy to find open parking spaces, but the reality is that during working hours, downtown has become a ghosttown, and tons of people aren't happy about it. The city has basically said screw you to employees and residents. Same thing that happened in my neighborhood. I think the America's Cup guy is reluctant to admit that his own push for paid parking has had a detrimental effect on his business. I work on Bond Street. Every employee at my company refused to buy a parking pass. In this economy, adding what amounts to another tax on your income simply isn't a good idea. Not only that, but I believe that if you buy the employee parking pass, you still have to park blocks away from where you work. Correct me if I'm wrong about that one. Then, if you get somebody like me, who now has to pay to park in front of his home and works downtown, you are screwed. How is this helping residents and employees? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@ wrote: Take the conversation further with the Americas Cup owner though, my husband and i spoke to him last saturday for a while about parking and at that point he was very happy with the paid parking, even if business is down he sees it as a huge benefit in the long term, plus you can't gauge business being down, there are now 3 coffee shops downtown (if you include the gelato place), maybe that's why business is down, we don't drink enough coffee to support 3 coffee shops. maybe now there's parking people will come from neighbouring towns for coffee. there are way too many variables at play to blame it one just one thing. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: ** Yesterday morning, I stopped at America's Cup for a bagel. Totally dead compared to before parking went into effect. I overheard a conversation with the owner saying that business is down big time. Same thing with Russo Music. They are saying that they had the worst week of business since they opened. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Meanwhile, several of the business's that lobbied for paid parking are stating that business has gone downhill since it went into effect. There's also unhappy people north of the parking zone in the residential neighborhoods. Scores of employee's who are not willing to pay to park are now parking in those areas. It really gets bad when the school in that neighborhood gets out. There used to be open parking for people to stop and wait for their kids, now it's become a log jam that did not exist before. Also, there were 3 break in's this past week, 2 on Mattison and 1 on Cookman. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@ wrote: I'm with you, I avoided too - now i don't avoid, i think it's great that i can find parking. If you talk to some of the retailers they're happy about the parking situation and it has increased business for them. There are always going to be complainers, it's human nature, if it wasn't parking they'd be complaining about the roadworks, or the weather or the something else, something else. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:32 AM, fancypaaantz fancypaaantz@ wrote: ** I came in 2004, America's Cup was not here until much later. In 2004, there
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My reality is my income was nearly cut in half, by no fault of my own. I'm now struggling to keep up with expenses that I never had to worry about before. Don't get me wrong, I love living and working in the same town, and i absolutely love riding my bike to work. It's funny to read the echo of what the Occupy Wall St protesters first rose up about, the 99% vs. the 1%. It seems that higher income people are supporting paid parking while those who are struggling are living with their new reality, and there doesn't seem to be much empathy. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@... wrote: We have to compare it to other towns though, if you lived and worked in Hoboken, Jersey City, Manhattan in the downtown areas you would have to pay for parking (when we lived in NY we paid nearly $000s/month for parking for a car and motorbike), it's a lifestyle choice we had to accept. Living in AP and working in AP is no different to that, much cheaper, but you would expect it to be much cheaper as it's the suburbs. It's tough to impose costs on people who have not paid them until now, and I understand that is not pleasant to increase your cost of living and I truly feel for those impacted, but perhaps we've not been in a reality until now. It's not dissimilar to gas pricing, when gas was $1.50/gallon it was not a reality, the rest of the world was paying $5 to $10 / gallon if not an oil producing nation. So when it raised to $3 / $4 here it put the country in a real situation as opposed to a deflated one. I don't mean to bring this up to raise a debate on gas prices here or cause some political debate, i'm just using it as a comparison about living in reality. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: ** The bottom line in my opinion is people coming to the downtown area to eat are happy to find open parking spaces, but the reality is that during working hours, downtown has become a ghosttown, and tons of people aren't happy about it. The city has basically said screw you to employees and residents. Same thing that happened in my neighborhood. I think the America's Cup guy is reluctant to admit that his own push for paid parking has had a detrimental effect on his business. I work on Bond Street. Every employee at my company refused to buy a parking pass. In this economy, adding what amounts to another tax on your income simply isn't a good idea. Not only that, but I believe that if you buy the employee parking pass, you still have to park blocks away from where you work. Correct me if I'm wrong about that one. Then, if you get somebody like me, who now has to pay to park in front of his home and works downtown, you are screwed. How is this helping residents and employees? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@ wrote: Take the conversation further with the Americas Cup owner though, my husband and i spoke to him last saturday for a while about parking and at that point he was very happy with the paid parking, even if business is down he sees it as a huge benefit in the long term, plus you can't gauge business being down, there are now 3 coffee shops downtown (if you include the gelato place), maybe that's why business is down, we don't drink enough coffee to support 3 coffee shops. maybe now there's parking people will come from neighbouring towns for coffee. there are way too many variables at play to blame it one just one thing. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: ** Yesterday morning, I stopped at America's Cup for a bagel. Totally dead compared to before parking went into effect. I overheard a conversation with the owner saying that business is down big time. Same thing with Russo Music. They are saying that they had the worst week of business since they opened. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Meanwhile, several of the business's that lobbied for paid parking are stating that business has gone downhill since it went into effect. There's also unhappy people north of the parking zone in the residential neighborhoods. Scores of employee's who are not willing to pay to park are now parking in those areas. It really gets bad when the school in that neighborhood gets out. There used to be open parking for people to stop and wait for their kids, now it's become a log jam that did not exist before. Also, there were 3 break in's this past week, 2 on Mattison and 1 on Cookman. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@ wrote: I'm with you, I avoided too - now i don't avoid, i think it's great that i can find parking. If you talk to some of the retailers they're happy about the parking situation and it has increased
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: The bottom line in my opinion is people coming to the downtown area to eat are happy to find open parking spaces, but the reality is that during working hours, downtown has become a ghosttown, It has been so for many years. There are not enough office workers downtown. The parking is a good thing. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: Doesn't it really depend on the income level of the business's in a city with a parking issue? Downtown AP isn't exactly a high income earning area, so it's not easy to compare it to places like NYC, Jersey City or others. Those are full on cities. AP is only a city by name and it's primarily residential. Hinge, the simple fact of the matter - that you CANNOT dislodge - is that the number of cars HOGGING parking spots on Cookman during the week did not translate into business for the stores. I have been in the stores a zillion times when there was not a space available on Cookman and I was alone. The parking is done. Get used to it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Duh, I know that. I live here year round. I love how the guy who's economically doing well by his own admission looks down and tells me to Get used to it I'm a struggling 50 yr old and you want me to suck it up. Do you want me to move out of my beloved home, get a roommate and watch everything I worked so far for continue to go to shit? I'd love to put you in front of a group of residents and employees and tell them to Get over it Good luck with that, should you have the balls to do so. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Doesn't it really depend on the income level of the business's in a city with a parking issue? Downtown AP isn't exactly a high income earning area, so it's not easy to compare it to places like NYC, Jersey City or others. Those are full on cities. AP is only a city by name and it's primarily residential. Hinge, the simple fact of the matter - that you CANNOT dislodge - is that the number of cars HOGGING parking spots on Cookman during the week did not translate into business for the stores. I have been in the stores a zillion times when there was not a space available on Cookman and I was alone. The parking is done. Get used to it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
Do you ever stop to think that maybe the ghost town we are now seeing points to the fact that the Cookman area is full of low traffic specialty retailers and the residents and employees made it look like more was going on then it seemed? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: Duh, I know that. I live here year round. I love how the guy who's economically doing well by his own admission looks down and tells me to Get used to it I'm a struggling 50 yr old and you want me to suck it up. Do you want me to move out of my beloved home, get a roommate and watch everything I worked so far for continue to go to shit? I'd love to put you in front of a group of residents and employees and tell them to Get over it Good luck with that, should you have the balls to do so. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Doesn't it really depend on the income level of the business's in a city with a parking issue? Downtown AP isn't exactly a high income earning area, so it's not easy to compare it to places like NYC, Jersey City or others. Those are full on cities. AP is only a city by name and it's primarily residential. Hinge, the simple fact of the matter - that you CANNOT dislodge - is that the number of cars HOGGING parking spots on Cookman during the week did not translate into business for the stores. I have been in the stores a zillion times when there was not a space available on Cookman and I was alone. The parking is done. Get used to it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
That's hitting the nail on the head! I've posted about this previously - for all the debate about parking and what's happening in AP, the real problem downtown has to do with specialty retailers that do not draw mainstream consumers. Asbury has a wealth of restaurants, coffee shops, and bars but there is no real base of business to bring people to Cookman or Bangs or Lake, etc. What exactly is the town/Chamber/MM doing to transform the town into a more vibrant retail sector that can support business? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003
Its sounds like a good plan of attack, but I can tell you firsthand that this type of guerilla marketing does not work We tried this at a business I managed and it ended up hurting us in the long run, I lost a lunch crowd and never gained them back, biggest complaint.. NO PARKING I lost every straggling walk-in I had between 12-4pm, never got them back Cookman loses more business from lack of parking than anything else, and that is a fact Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:39:12 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003 Do you ever stop to think that maybe the ghost town we are now seeing points to the fact that the Cookman area is full of low traffic specialty retailers and the residents and employees made it look like more was going on then it seemed? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: Duh, I know that. I live here year round. I love how the guy who's economically doing well by his own admission looks down and tells me to Get used to it I'm a struggling 50 yr old and you want me to suck it up. Do you want me to move out of my beloved home, get a roommate and watch everything I worked so far for continue to go to shit? I'd love to put you in front of a group of residents and employees and tell them to Get over it Good luck with that, should you have the balls to do so. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Doesn't it really depend on the income level of the business's in a city with a parking issue? Downtown AP isn't exactly a high income earning area, so it's not easy to compare it to places like NYC, Jersey City or others. Those are full on cities. AP is only a city by name and it's primarily residential. Hinge, the simple fact of the matter - that you CANNOT dislodge - is that the number of cars HOGGING parking spots on Cookman during the week did not translate into business for the stores. I have been in the stores a zillion times when there was not a space available on Cookman and I was alone. The parking is done. Get used to it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003
They are building condos! YAY Until there is a good numbered residential foothold downtown, those business' will stay flat Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michael Downing mkdow...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:42:47 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.comAsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003 That's hitting the nail on the head! I've posted about this previously - for all the debate about parking and what's happening in AP, the real problem downtown has to do with specialty retailers that do not draw mainstream consumers. Asbury has a wealth of restaurants, coffee shops, and bars but there is no real base of business to bring people to Cookman or Bangs or Lake, etc. What exactly is the town/Chamber/MM doing to transform the town into a more vibrant retail sector that can support business? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
How do you solve residents hogging parking on Cookman without requiring payment? Enforce 2 hour parking rules. Why is that not an option? Who loses in that scenario? Sometimes, the bullshit of this city amazes me. Approx. 6 weeks ago, I went to a council meeting, and a rep from iStar left a load of bullshit about the schedule of fixing roads in the oceanfront area, including my street, which is a pothole nightmare. They said they were going to start within days. Days and weeks went by, nothing happened. The rep also stated they were going to immediately do something about the eyesore of the Esperanza. They claimed they were going to wrap the site, and were prepared to do so starting the next day. Last time I checked, it's still an eyesore. Minor work was done on a sidewalk on the west side of that block. Seems to me the problem there isn't what you walk on, it's what you look up at. Maybe AP is just going to eventually become another gentrified playground for the wealty. That's becoming the American way more and more with each passing day. Screw the poor and middle class. Tell them to get used to it Fuck that. WE are starting to fight back. Get used to it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Doesn't it really depend on the income level of the business's in a city with a parking issue? Downtown AP isn't exactly a high income earning area, so it's not easy to compare it to places like NYC, Jersey City or others. Those are full on cities. AP is only a city by name and it's primarily residential. Hinge, the simple fact of the matter - that you CANNOT dislodge - is that the number of cars HOGGING parking spots on Cookman during the week did not translate into business for the stores. I have been in the stores a zillion times when there was not a space available on Cookman and I was alone. The parking is done. Get used to it. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
At the moment, the fact is for the past 2 weeks, reality is showing that the demand for those parking spaces during 9 to 5 if virtually non existent. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Its sounds like a good plan of attack, but I can tell you firsthand that this type of guerilla marketing does not work We tried this at a business I managed and it ended up hurting us in the long run, I lost a lunch crowd and never gained them back, biggest complaint.. NO PARKING I lost every straggling walk-in I had between 12-4pm, never got them back Cookman loses more business from lack of parking than anything else, and that is a fact Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:39:12 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003 Do you ever stop to think that maybe the ghost town we are now seeing points to the fact that the Cookman area is full of low traffic specialty retailers and the residents and employees made it look like more was going on then it seemed? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Duh, I know that. I live here year round. I love how the guy who's economically doing well by his own admission looks down and tells me to Get used to it I'm a struggling 50 yr old and you want me to suck it up. Do you want me to move out of my beloved home, get a roommate and watch everything I worked so far for continue to go to shit? I'd love to put you in front of a group of residents and employees and tell them to Get over it Good luck with that, should you have the balls to do so. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Doesn't it really depend on the income level of the business's in a city with a parking issue? Downtown AP isn't exactly a high income earning area, so it's not easy to compare it to places like NYC, Jersey City or others. Those are full on cities. AP is only a city by name and it's primarily residential. Hinge, the simple fact of the matter - that you CANNOT dislodge - is that the number of cars HOGGING parking spots on Cookman during the week did not translate into business for the stores. I have been in the stores a zillion times when there was not a space available on Cookman and I was alone. The parking is done. Get used to it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003
How would 2hr parking solve it though? To me, that's just inviting more problems What happens to the people who live/park their cars on Cookman and walk to the train station? What happens to the employees who work and park on Cookman? If I was their boss I would not be happy that they are leaving for a parking break every 2hrs What happens to someone shopping on one end of cookman and is parked on the other end and only has 5mins to move their car and both hands full of bags? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:50:44 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003 How do you solve residents hogging parking on Cookman without requiring payment? Enforce 2 hour parking rules. Why is that not an option? Who loses in that scenario? Sometimes, the bullshit of this city amazes me. Approx. 6 weeks ago, I went to a council meeting, and a rep from iStar left a load of bullshit about the schedule of fixing roads in the oceanfront area, including my street, which is a pothole nightmare. They said they were going to start within days. Days and weeks went by, nothing happened. The rep also stated they were going to immediately do something about the eyesore of the Esperanza. They claimed they were going to wrap the site, and were prepared to do so starting the next day. Last time I checked, it's still an eyesore. Minor work was done on a sidewalk on the west side of that block. Seems to me the problem there isn't what you walk on, it's what you look up at. Maybe AP is just going to eventually become another gentrified playground for the wealty. That's becoming the American way more and more with each passing day. Screw the poor and middle class. Tell them to get used to it Fuck that. WE are starting to fight back. Get used to it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Doesn't it really depend on the income level of the business's in a city with a parking issue? Downtown AP isn't exactly a high income earning area, so it's not easy to compare it to places like NYC, Jersey City or others. Those are full on cities. AP is only a city by name and it's primarily residential. Hinge, the simple fact of the matter - that you CANNOT dislodge - is that the number of cars HOGGING parking spots on Cookman during the week did not translate into business for the stores. I have been in the stores a zillion times when there was not a space available on Cookman and I was alone. The parking is done. Get used to it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003
Then I would suggest those business' get going with some Advertising/Marketing/Promotion I have friends who live in Tinton Falls (for 5yrs now) and just recently found our shops on Cookman, that stay at home mom was there shopping on Monday, she spent money, paid to park, but I had to tell her about Cookman. I shouldn't have to do that How does someone who has lived minutes away from Cookman not know there are stores there? No advertising Plan B is the only business I hear about outside of the TriCity Some others use FB and Twitter, I have NEVER seen any kind of promotional/advertising stuff at any of the train stations (both north and south of AP), that is a travesty, its a goldmine and so easy I could go on about other methods, but I typically charge for this type of consulting work Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:58:44 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003 At the moment, the fact is for the past 2 weeks, reality is showing that the demand for those parking spaces during 9 to 5 if virtually non existent. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: Its sounds like a good plan of attack, but I can tell you firsthand that this type of guerilla marketing does not work We tried this at a business I managed and it ended up hurting us in the long run, I lost a lunch crowd and never gained them back, biggest complaint.. NO PARKING I lost every straggling walk-in I had between 12-4pm, never got them back Cookman loses more business from lack of parking than anything else, and that is a fact Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:39:12 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003 Do you ever stop to think that maybe the ghost town we are now seeing points to the fact that the Cookman area is full of low traffic specialty retailers and the residents and employees made it look like more was going on then it seemed? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Duh, I know that. I live here year round. I love how the guy who's economically doing well by his own admission looks down and tells me to Get used to it I'm a struggling 50 yr old and you want me to suck it up. Do you want me to move out of my beloved home, get a roommate and watch everything I worked so far for continue to go to shit? I'd love to put you in front of a group of residents and employees and tell them to Get over it Good luck with that, should you have the balls to do so. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Doesn't it really depend on the income level of the business's in a city with a parking issue? Downtown AP isn't exactly a high income earning area, so it's not easy to compare it to places like NYC, Jersey City or others. Those are full on cities. AP is only a city by name and it's primarily residential. Hinge, the simple fact of the matter - that you CANNOT dislodge - is that the number of cars HOGGING parking spots on Cookman during the week did not translate into business for the stores. I have been in the stores a zillion times when there was not a space available on Cookman and I was alone. The parking is done. Get used to it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
Currently, residents and employees with passes are supposed to park along Lake Ave. You keep it that way, and instead of a high priced permit, you make it a $5 to $10 a year resident parking sticker (That's what I paid when I lived in Edgewater) and a comparable employee parking permit. Keep it affordable with today's economic reality in mind. Keep Cookman and the surrounding areas 2 hour free parking. If you screw up, you get a ticket. Simple. It's also a city/NJ transit problem if commuters are parking on Cookman. I hope I'm not giving the impression that I'm the only person with these thoughts. I'm the only person from my office who posts here. I don't think this group gives an accurate sampling of what people are actually talking about concerning parking. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: How would 2hr parking solve it though? To me, that's just inviting more problems What happens to the people who live/park their cars on Cookman and walk to the train station? What happens to the employees who work and park on Cookman? If I was their boss I would not be happy that they are leaving for a parking break every 2hrs What happens to someone shopping on one end of cookman and is parked on the other end and only has 5mins to move their car and both hands full of bags? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:50:44 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003 How do you solve residents hogging parking on Cookman without requiring payment? Enforce 2 hour parking rules. Why is that not an option? Who loses in that scenario? Sometimes, the bullshit of this city amazes me. Approx. 6 weeks ago, I went to a council meeting, and a rep from iStar left a load of bullshit about the schedule of fixing roads in the oceanfront area, including my street, which is a pothole nightmare. They said they were going to start within days. Days and weeks went by, nothing happened. The rep also stated they were going to immediately do something about the eyesore of the Esperanza. They claimed they were going to wrap the site, and were prepared to do so starting the next day. Last time I checked, it's still an eyesore. Minor work was done on a sidewalk on the west side of that block. Seems to me the problem there isn't what you walk on, it's what you look up at. Maybe AP is just going to eventually become another gentrified playground for the wealty. That's becoming the American way more and more with each passing day. Screw the poor and middle class. Tell them to get used to it Fuck that. WE are starting to fight back. Get used to it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Doesn't it really depend on the income level of the business's in a city with a parking issue? Downtown AP isn't exactly a high income earning area, so it's not easy to compare it to places like NYC, Jersey City or others. Those are full on cities. AP is only a city by name and it's primarily residential. Hinge, the simple fact of the matter - that you CANNOT dislodge - is that the number of cars HOGGING parking spots on Cookman during the week did not translate into business for the stores. I have been in the stores a zillion times when there was not a space available on Cookman and I was alone. The parking is done. Get used to it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: I'm a struggling 50 yr old and you want me to suck it up. Do you want me to move out of my beloved home, get a roommate and watch everything I worked so far for continue to go to shit? I'd love to put you in front of a group of residents and employees and tell them to Get over it Good luck with that, should you have the balls to do so. I think you are carrying on and I didnt say any of what you suggest except that the parking is here to stay and get used to it. If enough people want to change it, power to them. I told you to move? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Michael Downing mkdown13@... wrote: That's hitting the nail on the head! I've posted about this previously - for all the debate about parking and what's happening in AP, the real problem downtown has to do with specialty retailers that do not draw mainstream consumers. Asbury has a wealth of restaurants, coffee shops, and bars but there is no real base of business to bring people to Cookman or Bangs or Lake, etc. What exactly is the town/Chamber/MM doing to transform the town into a more vibrant retail sector that can support business? Most people work during the day. The will not be available to shop here during the week if they are not working here. Most parts of Battery Park City retail are DEAD during the weekdays (except summer during lunchtime). The business there serve the residents who live there and who frequent the shops before and after work. The key is to having weekday traffic is to bring in a lot of employment. That I think is tough but not impossible. Not an easy problem to solve. Restaurants are the key for now and also the shops that are not available elsewhere. Why go to Ap for something you can get closer by (non APer) and is available nearly everywhere? People who do not live here will come here because it has something they can get where they are (including coolness its okay to laugh). Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003
Some commuters park on Cookman because the Transportation Centers lot (which is feet from the police station) often has break-ins. I park there, and I park on the Memorial Side. Ironically my car has been broken into on Cookman (2009) and Bond (2011) but not once at the Train Station Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:09:46 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003 Currently, residents and employees with passes are supposed to park along Lake Ave. You keep it that way, and instead of a high priced permit, you make it a $5 to $10 a year resident parking sticker (That's what I paid when I lived in Edgewater) and a comparable employee parking permit. Keep it affordable with today's economic reality in mind. Keep Cookman and the surrounding areas 2 hour free parking. If you screw up, you get a ticket. Simple. It's also a city/NJ transit problem if commuters are parking on Cookman. I hope I'm not giving the impression that I'm the only person with these thoughts. I'm the only person from my office who posts here. I don't think this group gives an accurate sampling of what people are actually talking about concerning parking. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: How would 2hr parking solve it though? To me, that's just inviting more problems What happens to the people who live/park their cars on Cookman and walk to the train station? What happens to the employees who work and park on Cookman? If I was their boss I would not be happy that they are leaving for a parking break every 2hrs What happens to someone shopping on one end of cookman and is parked on the other end and only has 5mins to move their car and both hands full of bags? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hinge98@... Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:50:44 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003 How do you solve residents hogging parking on Cookman without requiring payment? Enforce 2 hour parking rules. Why is that not an option? Who loses in that scenario? Sometimes, the bullshit of this city amazes me. Approx. 6 weeks ago, I went to a council meeting, and a rep from iStar left a load of bullshit about the schedule of fixing roads in the oceanfront area, including my street, which is a pothole nightmare. They said they were going to start within days. Days and weeks went by, nothing happened. The rep also stated they were going to immediately do something about the eyesore of the Esperanza. They claimed they were going to wrap the site, and were prepared to do so starting the next day. Last time I checked, it's still an eyesore. Minor work was done on a sidewalk on the west side of that block. Seems to me the problem there isn't what you walk on, it's what you look up at. Maybe AP is just going to eventually become another gentrified playground for the wealty. That's becoming the American way more and more with each passing day. Screw the poor and middle class. Tell them to get used to it Fuck that. WE are starting to fight back. Get used to it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Doesn't it really depend on the income level of the business's in a city with a parking issue? Downtown AP isn't exactly a high income earning area, so it's not easy to compare it to places like NYC, Jersey City or others. Those are full on cities. AP is only a city by name and it's primarily residential. Hinge, the simple fact of the matter - that you CANNOT dislodge - is that the number of cars HOGGING parking spots on Cookman during the week did not translate into business for the stores. I have been in the stores a zillion times when there was not a space available on Cookman and I was alone. The parking is done. Get used to it. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Yes, but this isn't Hoboken or Jersey City or Manhattan (unless the Met has moved in recently without my knowledge). It's the freakin' Jersey Shore, people, not the New York City metro area. I am from Washington DC where we paid $89 annually for residential parking. It was worth it a) because the parking zone was very large and b)it was Washington DC. If it were reasonable to park here, I'd pay it. But it's not. I mean, why should I pay to park near the beach in the dead of winter? Come on, even Manhattan has free on-street parking at certain hours... --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@... wrote: We have to compare it to other towns though, if you lived and worked in Hoboken, Jersey City, Manhattan in the downtown areas you would have to pay for parking (when we lived in NY we paid nearly $000s/month for parking for a car and motorbike), it's a lifestyle choice we had to accept. Living in AP and working in AP is no different to that, much cheaper, but you would expect it to be much cheaper as it's the suburbs. It's tough to impose costs on people who have not paid them until now, and I understand that is not pleasant to increase your cost of living and I truly feel for those impacted, but perhaps we've not been in a reality until now. It's not dissimilar to gas pricing, when gas was $1.50/gallon it was not a reality, the rest of the world was paying $5 to $10 / gallon if not an oil producing nation. So when it raised to $3 / $4 here it put the country in a real situation as opposed to a deflated one. I don't mean to bring this up to raise a debate on gas prices here or cause some political debate, i'm just using it as a comparison about living in reality. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: ** The bottom line in my opinion is people coming to the downtown area to eat are happy to find open parking spaces, but the reality is that during working hours, downtown has become a ghosttown, and tons of people aren't happy about it. The city has basically said screw you to employees and residents. Same thing that happened in my neighborhood. I think the America's Cup guy is reluctant to admit that his own push for paid parking has had a detrimental effect on his business. I work on Bond Street. Every employee at my company refused to buy a parking pass. In this economy, adding what amounts to another tax on your income simply isn't a good idea. Not only that, but I believe that if you buy the employee parking pass, you still have to park blocks away from where you work. Correct me if I'm wrong about that one. Then, if you get somebody like me, who now has to pay to park in front of his home and works downtown, you are screwed. How is this helping residents and employees? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@ wrote: Take the conversation further with the Americas Cup owner though, my husband and i spoke to him last saturday for a while about parking and at that point he was very happy with the paid parking, even if business is down he sees it as a huge benefit in the long term, plus you can't gauge business being down, there are now 3 coffee shops downtown (if you include the gelato place), maybe that's why business is down, we don't drink enough coffee to support 3 coffee shops. maybe now there's parking people will come from neighbouring towns for coffee. there are way too many variables at play to blame it one just one thing. On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: ** Yesterday morning, I stopped at America's Cup for a bagel. Totally dead compared to before parking went into effect. I overheard a conversation with the owner saying that business is down big time. Same thing with Russo Music. They are saying that they had the worst week of business since they opened. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Meanwhile, several of the business's that lobbied for paid parking are stating that business has gone downhill since it went into effect. There's also unhappy people north of the parking zone in the residential neighborhoods. Scores of employee's who are not willing to pay to park are now parking in those areas. It really gets bad when the school in that neighborhood gets out. There used to be open parking for people to stop and wait for their kids, now it's become a log jam that did not exist before. Also, there were 3 break in's this past week, 2 on Mattison and 1 on Cookman. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Claire Davids claire.davids@ wrote: I'm with you, I avoided too - now i don't avoid, i think it's great that i can find parking. If you talk to some of the retailers they're happy about the parking situation and it has
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: At the moment, the fact is for the past 2 weeks, reality is showing that the demand for those parking spaces during 9 to 5 if virtually non existent. You are proving the exact point. So you want paid parking only on weekends? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, cbrianwatkins@... wrote: How would 2hr parking solve it though? To me, that's just inviting more problems You're not kidding. You pay someone to chalk the tires? The only way to enforce that is to make them pay for the 2 hours and have the same system. All you are hearing is folks made they cant park for free anymore. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Lisa liannucc@... wrote: Come on, even Manhattan has free on-street parking at certain hours... In the central business district? nope. Parking in Manhattan is as rare as hens teeth. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
You didn't tell me to move. Sorry if I'm carrying on. I'm simply providing counter point as a person who spends 40 hours a week on Bond Street and telling you what people are saying on a daily basis. As for carrying on, imagine just for a second being in my shoes. I lost a 70k a year job. I struggled like never before in my life for a year and a half as I was looking for a job, only to discover that the job market kinda sucks for a 50 yr old former project manager, web guru and video editor producer. I had to get used to an entirely different life in my beloved AP. Like I said, and this is my personal story separate from my thoughts about parking, every penny counts now. Affording 2 parking passes isn't that easy, or, I could suck it up and move to a more affordable place. Great, I worked my ass off since I was 17 and at 50 I have to start thinking about getting a roommate if I want to get used to it and play by AP's new economic rules. Meanwhile, people who live here and don't live on a block where they have to pay to park are telling me to get used to it. Do you expect that to go over well? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: I'm a struggling 50 yr old and you want me to suck it up. Do you want me to move out of my beloved home, get a roommate and watch everything I worked so far for continue to go to shit? I'd love to put you in front of a group of residents and employees and tell them to Get over it Good luck with that, should you have the balls to do so. I think you are carrying on and I didnt say any of what you suggest except that the parking is here to stay and get used to it. If enough people want to change it, power to them. I told you to move? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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It's not just about what I want. I'm just the messenger. I ride my bike to work 99% of the time. If I were to speak for residents and employees, I'd say that the city didn't take their concerns into very much consideration. That's what I hear on a daily basis. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: At the moment, the fact is for the past 2 weeks, reality is showing that the demand for those parking spaces during 9 to 5 if virtually non existent. You are proving the exact point. So you want paid parking only on weekends? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
Many of you are personalizing the situation. The fact is that if you talk to the business owners who rely on their business to live, they are down. Some of them are holding out hope that in the long run the parking will pay off. Before the parking went into effect I know a couple of downtown residents that parked 2 or 3 cars on Cookman, leaving them there for days at a time. Similarly, we used to watch the owners/employees of stores park their cars in front of their stores all day, yet they still complained they had no business. And while we all know that the riots of July 4 are the traditional date that started the decay of Asbury as a downtown shopping mecca, it was the malls and free parking that had an equally bad affect on downtowns in Red Bank and Long Branch as well as Asbury. And it has been mentioned, where is the marketing for downtown AP? There is none, other than a weekly huge email from the city, that basically promotes bars and restaurants. All, 100% of the business owners I know and have recently spoken with about the parking are/were in favor of the paid parking, but that doesn't change the fact that they are going to have a helluva time coming up with the Nov 1 rent check. And there is another issue that is not being discussed. The business owners and their employees who work after dark, who work until 10PM and later. They now have to walk 3-4-5 blocks to their cars at night. I have been told that one person has already been accosted and robbed while walking to their car. While paid parking is a fruitful plan, the fruit needs to start out as seeds, or it's artificial; the implementation of park; The Parking Plan, is either non-existent, or artificial. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
Best comment so far. Right on the money. One of my co-workers wife's expressed concern about using the parking meters late in the evening. She's feels like a sitting duck in the dark while getting out her wallet, and having to hold her cell phone in one hand as a flashlight because the keypad is hard to see (I see people doing that every day). Is that not a very valid concern? It's not much different than the issue on my 200 block. Just this past weekend my next door neighbor started a conversation asking if I felt safe in reference to parking around the block, which makes the 3 occupied houses on my block look empty. Nobody is parking on 1st Ave, and the city refuses to budge about easing year round, till midnight parking. What happens when one of our houses gets broken into because we now look like easy targets? It's already happened once to my next door neighbor. Somebody climbed over his fence, into his locked back yard, and stole 2 bikes that were locked up back there. My downstairs neighbor, who's pretty tough, has also expressed concerns related to our abandoned street. That's why we are pressing our luck and parking out front. So far, no tickets. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Dubrow traderdube@... wrote: Many of you are personalizing the situation. The fact is that if you talk to the business owners who rely on their business to live, they are down. Some of them are holding out hope that in the long run the parking will pay off. Before the parking went into effect I know a couple of downtown residents that parked 2 or 3 cars on Cookman, leaving them there for days at a time. Similarly, we used to watch the owners/employees of stores park their cars in front of their stores all day, yet they still complained they had no business. And while we all know that the riots of July 4 are the traditional date that started the decay of Asbury as a downtown shopping mecca, it was the malls and free parking that had an equally bad affect on downtowns in Red Bank and Long Branch as well as Asbury. And it has been mentioned, where is the marketing for downtown AP? There is none, other than a weekly huge email from the city, that basically promotes bars and restaurants. All, 100% of the business owners I know and have recently spoken with about the parking are/were in favor of the paid parking, but that doesn't change the fact that they are going to have a helluva time coming up with the Nov 1 rent check. And there is another issue that is not being discussed. The business owners and their employees who work after dark, who work until 10PM and later. They now have to walk 3-4-5 blocks to their cars at night. I have been told that one person has already been accosted and robbed while walking to their car. While paid parking is a fruitful plan, the fruit needs to start out as seeds, or it's artificial; the implementation of park; The Parking Plan, is either non-existent, or artificial. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003
What's sad, is that I have offered my services to several downtown business owners, at a largely discounted rate over the last 4yrs, only to be scoffed at, told that the Chamber was handling marketing/advertising, and that once the Waterfront drew in people downtown would be fine Someone was way off with that Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dennis Dubrow traderd...@comcast.net Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:35:00 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003 Many of you are personalizing the situation. The fact is that if you talk to the business owners who rely on their business to live, they are down. Some of them are holding out hope that in the long run the parking will pay off. Before the parking went into effect I know a couple of downtown residents that parked 2 or 3 cars on Cookman, leaving them there for days at a time. Similarly, we used to watch the owners/employees of stores park their cars in front of their stores all day, yet they still complained they had no business. And while we all know that the riots of July 4 are the traditional date that started the decay of Asbury as a downtown shopping mecca, it was the malls and free parking that had an equally bad affect on downtowns in Red Bank and Long Branch as well as Asbury. And it has been mentioned, where is the marketing for downtown AP? There is none, other than a weekly huge email from the city, that basically promotes bars and restaurants. All, 100% of the business owners I know and have recently spoken with about the parking are/were in favor of the paid parking, but that doesn't change the fact that they are going to have a helluva time coming up with the Nov 1 rent check. And there is another issue that is not being discussed. The business owners and their employees who work after dark, who work until 10PM and later. They now have to walk 3-4-5 blocks to their cars at night. I have been told that one person has already been accosted and robbed while walking to their car. While paid parking is a fruitful plan, the fruit needs to start out as seeds, or it's artificial; the implementation of park; The Parking Plan, is either non-existent, or artificial. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: You didn't tell me to move. Sorry if I'm carrying on. I'm simply providing counter point as a person who spends 40 hours a week on Bond Street and telling you what people are saying on a daily basis. As for carrying on, imagine just for a second being in my shoes. I lost a 70k a year job. I struggled like never before in my life for a year and a half as I was looking for a job, only to discover that the job market kinda sucks for a 50 yr old former project manager, web guru and video editor producer. I had to get used to an entirely different life in my beloved AP. Like I said, and this is my personal story separate from my thoughts about parking, every penny counts now. Affording 2 parking passes isn't that easy, or, I could suck it up and move to a more affordable place. Great, I worked my ass off since I was 17 and at 50 I have to start thinking about getting a roommate if I want to get used to it and play by AP's new economic rules. Meanwhile, people who live here and don't live on a block where they have to pay to park are telling me to get used to it. Do you expect that to go over well? You can park in my driveway during the week. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I am going to talk to the city and see if we can come up with a workable solution for employees with a restricted parking area nearby that is well lit. But to make that work, if even possible, is that all have to work together. That's business owners, employees, etc. No handing out the permits to others, etc. etc. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thanks Dan. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: I am going to talk to the city and see if we can come up with a workable solution for employees with a restricted parking area nearby that is well lit. But to make that work, if even possible, is that all have to work together. That's business owners, employees, etc. No handing out the permits to others, etc. etc. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: Do you ever stop to think that maybe the ghost town we are now seeing points to the fact that the Cookman area is full of low traffic specialty retailers and the residents and employees made it look like more was going on then it seemed? Yes, I think I've said as much many times. Until there is a substantial amount of weekday workers in AP Cookman will essentially be dead during the day during the week. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
But tell me there is a designated place for them to park now? How many spaces are we talking about that might be set aside? There has to be some charge for it though - $2-$3 a day? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@... wrote: Thanks Dan. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: I am going to talk to the city and see if we can come up with a workable solution for employees with a restricted parking area nearby that is well lit. But to make that work, if even possible, is that all have to work together. That's business owners, employees, etc. No handing out the permits to others, etc. etc. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
At my office on Bond, we have no designated parking,and on a daily basis we have about 3-4 of our employees driving to work. I can definitely speak for the guy who sits next to me, who would be vehemently opposed to spending $60 a month to park. He's totally peeved about the parking situation and already talking about beginning to ride his bike to work as well. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@... wrote: But tell me there is a designated place for them to park now? How many spaces are we talking about that might be set aside? There has to be some charge for it though - $2-$3 a day? --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote: Thanks Dan. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny dfsavgny@ wrote: I am going to talk to the city and see if we can come up with a workable solution for employees with a restricted parking area nearby that is well lit. But to make that work, if even possible, is that all have to work together. That's business owners, employees, etc. No handing out the permits to others, etc. etc. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003
This concerns me. I am out and about often on Cookman at night and rarely see any police on foot patrol. I see patrol cars cruise by on occasion but no foot patrol, which would help with mugging attempts I think (and overall crime in general) Am I missing them, or are they truly lacking at night in the downtown area? Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Hinge hing...@yahoo.com Sender: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:42:25 To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Reply-To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: 2003 Best comment so far. Right on the money. One of my co-workers wife's expressed concern about using the parking meters late in the evening. She's feels like a sitting duck in the dark while getting out her wallet, and having to hold her cell phone in one hand as a flashlight because the keypad is hard to see (I see people doing that every day). Is that not a very valid concern? It's not much different than the issue on my 200 block. Just this past weekend my next door neighbor started a conversation asking if I felt safe in reference to parking around the block, which makes the 3 occupied houses on my block look empty. Nobody is parking on 1st Ave, and the city refuses to budge about easing year round, till midnight parking. What happens when one of our houses gets broken into because we now look like easy targets? It's already happened once to my next door neighbor. Somebody climbed over his fence, into his locked back yard, and stole 2 bikes that were locked up back there. My downstairs neighbor, who's pretty tough, has also expressed concerns related to our abandoned street. That's why we are pressing our luck and parking out front. So far, no tickets. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Dubrow traderdube@... wrote: Many of you are personalizing the situation. The fact is that if you talk to the business owners who rely on their business to live, they are down. Some of them are holding out hope that in the long run the parking will pay off. Before the parking went into effect I know a couple of downtown residents that parked 2 or 3 cars on Cookman, leaving them there for days at a time. Similarly, we used to watch the owners/employees of stores park their cars in front of their stores all day, yet they still complained they had no business. And while we all know that the riots of July 4 are the traditional date that started the decay of Asbury as a downtown shopping mecca, it was the malls and free parking that had an equally bad affect on downtowns in Red Bank and Long Branch as well as Asbury. And it has been mentioned, where is the marketing for downtown AP? There is none, other than a weekly huge email from the city, that basically promotes bars and restaurants. All, 100% of the business owners I know and have recently spoken with about the parking are/were in favor of the paid parking, but that doesn't change the fact that they are going to have a helluva time coming up with the Nov 1 rent check. And there is another issue that is not being discussed. The business owners and their employees who work after dark, who work until 10PM and later. They now have to walk 3-4-5 blocks to their cars at night. I have been told that one person has already been accosted and robbed while walking to their car. While paid parking is a fruitful plan, the fruit needs to start out as seeds, or it's artificial; the implementation of park; The Parking Plan, is either non-existent, or artificial. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
Yawn. I forgot to get a workout calendar for my wife off the 'net. Turned out fitness lifestyles had it. Told her I had already picked it up. Jumped in car, pulled up in front of Fitness lifestyles, ran in, got the calendar and left. skipped the meter for that stop. That's all it was, a stop. 1. There's a reason why fast food joins have drive thru - people today don't have loads of time or are just plain lazy. Drive thru's are easier. If a business depends on foot traffic or x number of people who MIGHT want want you sell... AP just might not be the right spot. Fact. 2. If what you sell can't bring in the $ you need to survive, you have to rexam why - is it location, product, price etc. Nothing new. 3. Fact. McDonalds and other's close many locations for one reason or another - usually not enough return or they found - a better location. 4, If somone comes in to buy something, have someone there can sell it or answer questions. If someone has $700 to spend, find the owner nad get back you, not 3 weeks later - after you find it elsewhere. 5. If someone orders that happy hour pizza and by the time the bar tender stops yapping and punches it in - happy hour (ending at 6:30) she turns and says happy hour is over because it's 6:32. 6. If someone orders a coffe drink that runs about $10, don't tell them well, we;re out of coffee cause we had a big party today... go buy a keurig and pop a cup in...you'd make more money. 7. If someone comes in right before you close to look around, don't panic and say oh, we're closing now... 8. Be priced so someone WANTS to buy something they really don't need or you will keep it on your wall for another year. 9. If your business requires a parking lot for your customers, then opening in downtown ap isn't exactly the right choice. There are actually cheaper rents today on HWY 35 then in AP. Signage, parking etc. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: 2003
at about $1400 per month for a 1 bedroom, you can't say the downtown area is affordable while it may be cool to live there, you have to be able to make a living to do so. Same thing in NYC. I went up there to see my son and my daughter came along. Then my son's girlfriend. I got to the soho area around 3:30 and the garage was around $40 then. NO on street parking to 6pm. Told my daughter to get out and I'll meet her. Why? at 4pm, the garage went down to $13. I pulled around the corner, read some emails and at 4 pm pulled in. ...a couple coffees and desert pre dinner was around $18 for 3...walking around another few $ casual dinner, drinks for 4 - around $230. having fun costs money unless you learn how to without going out. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: asburypark-dig...@yahoogroups.com asburypark-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: asburypark-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
