[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on earth 
so great.
 Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas ornaments 
that are made in 
 China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour weeks.
 Explain that to us Tommy.

And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of them.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
The problem is, nobody cares.
And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on earth so great.
Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas ornaments that are 
made in 
China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour weeks.
Explain that to us Tommy.
Perhaps some of those ornaments are hanging on your tree (across the room from 
your 
Ann Coulter velvet painting)
If there is a God, would he allow his holiday to be soiled in such a way?
What religious justification do you have for this?

Finally, if God were irrefutably debunked, would you still continue to believe?

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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario MarioAPNJ@ wrote:
 
  To all my Christian friends, Merry Christmas.
  === To all, a reminder of an American 
ideal
 
 
 and thank god for global warming.  Less need to head to Florida or
 leave the area.
 
 Looks like a few good travel days coming up.
 
 And the argument continues as artifical  trees do MORE harm then good.
 
 But most are made in China, contain some lead.
 
 So who cares, right?
 
 Everyone, if you have a yard, should plant a tree this xmas or give
 the gift.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
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 and thank god for global warming.  Less need to head to Florida 
or
 leave the area.

YES! YES!  And what a boon for AP!  Imagine selling beach badges year 
round!

That's why I've decided to increase my carbon footprint wherever I can.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
Funny for you. Pathetic to me.
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 To 
 All My Democrat Friends: 
 
 Please accept with 
 no obligation, implied or express, my best wishes for an 
 environmentally 
 conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-
 neutral 
 celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the 
 most enjoyable 
 traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular 
 practices of 
 your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion 
 and/or traditions 
 of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular 
 traditions at 
 all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling 
 and medically 
 uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted 
 calendar year 
 2008, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of 
 other cultures 
 whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not 
 to imply that 
 America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only 
 America in 
 the Western Hemisphere . Also, this wish is made without regard to 
 the race, 
 creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual 
 preference of the 
 wishee.
 
   
 To 
 My Republican Friends: 
 Have a Merry 
 Christmas and a Happy New Year!





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Mario
To all my Christian friends, Merry Christmas.
=== To all, a reminder of an American ideal
in the unifying words of JFK:
While the so-called religious issue is necessarily and properly the
chief topic here tonight, I want to emphasize from the outset that we
have far more critical issues to face…: those who no longer respect
our power--the hungry children I saw in West Virginia, the old people
who cannot pay their doctor bills, the families forced to give up their
farms--an America with too many slums, with too few schools…. These
are the real issues….   And they are not religious issues--for war
and hunger and ignorance and despair know no religious barriers.I
believe in an America where…no church or church school is granted
any public funds or political preference….   Finally, I believe in
an America where religious intolerance will someday end--where all men
and all churches are treated as equal--where every man has the same
right to attend or not attend the church of his choice--where there is
no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind--and
where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, at both the lay and pastoral
level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which
have so often marred their works in the past, and promote instead the
American ideal of brotherhood.This is the kind of America I believe
in--and this is the kind I fought for in the South Pacific, and the kind
my brother died for in Europe. No one suggested then that we may have a
divided loyalty, that we did not believe in liberty, or that we
belonged to a disloyal group that threatened the freedoms for which our
forefathers died.I ask you tonight to follow in that
tradition….   The statement of the American Bishops in 1948 which
strongly endorsed church-state separation, and which more nearly
reflects the views of almost every American Catholic.Adapted from 
JFK's  September 12, 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial
Association 
=== In a
message dated 12/21/2007 8:35:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: To
All My Democrat Friends:

Please accept with
no obligation, implied or express, my best wishes for an
environmentally
conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-
neutral
celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the
most enjoyable
traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular
practices of
your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion


[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
I guess it's easier to blame it on somebody else.
You can answer your own question by re-reading your joke and then
thinking a bit outside of your comfortable little box.
Happy Holidays.


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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jackie...baby!
 
 I posted a joke this morning that someone sent to me by email.  
 Thought it was cute.
 
 Seemed to upset you and that other guy a lot.
 
 I have an open mind.  Educate me.  Why was that Greetings post so 
 upsetting?
 
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I think you should consider changing the name of your TCN column 
 for 2008 from 
  Justified Right to The Ugly American
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
  
   What's the problem, you can't answer a simple question?
   Your joke=somebody else's suffering.
   You joking about it makes a mockery of your faith.
   Congrats...
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
 wrote:

 And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on 
 earth 
so great.
 Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
 ornaments 
that are made in 
 China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour 
 weeks.
 Explain that to us Tommy.

And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of 
 them.
   
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
I have a better idea. Send the question about sweatshops in China making Xmas 
ornaments and what God would think of that to your friend and see what kinda 
bright 
answer he/she comes up with.
As for you, despite the fact that your world view is very different then mine, 
you are still 
ok in my book and I wish you and yours a Merry Christmas.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I did.  Same result.  Still thought it was a cute joke.
 
 You're going to have to educate me if you want me to grow.
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I guess it's easier to blame it on somebody else.
  You can answer your own question by re-reading your joke and then
  thinking a bit outside of your comfortable little box.
  Happy Holidays.
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
  justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   Jackie...baby!
   
   I posted a joke this morning that someone sent to me by email.  
   Thought it was cute.
   
   Seemed to upset you and that other guy a lot.
   
   I have an open mind.  Educate me.  Why was that Greetings post 
 so 
   upsetting?
   
   
   
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
 wrote:
   
I think you should consider changing the name of your TCN 
 column 
   for 2008 from 
Justified Right to The Ugly American

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
 wrote:

 What's the problem, you can't answer a simple question?
 Your joke=somebody else's suffering.
 You joking about it makes a mockery of your faith.
 Congrats...
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
   justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer 
 hinge98@ 
   wrote:
  
   And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life 
 here on 
   earth 
  so great.
   Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
   ornaments 
  that are made in 
   China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 
 hour 
   weeks.
   Explain that to us Tommy.
  
  And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen 
 of 
   them.
 

   
  
 






 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread MarioAPNJ
 
In a message dated 12/21/2007 10:19:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com) ,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED],  Ma

 Didn't upset me.

Yes it  did.


 
 
If that suits you, OK.
 
But I was delighted for the occasion to unveil my newly coined  alliteration:
 
Pale pink predominantly penis people pandering to  people’s prejudices and 
petty pet peeves.
 
Much better example than Peter Picked a Peck of Pickled Peppers.
 

 
 



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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
Jackie...baby!

I posted a joke this morning that someone sent to me by email.  
Thought it was cute.

Seemed to upset you and that other guy a lot.

I have an open mind.  Educate me.  Why was that Greetings post so 
upsetting?




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think you should consider changing the name of your TCN column 
for 2008 from 
 Justified Right to The Ugly American
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  What's the problem, you can't answer a simple question?
  Your joke=somebody else's suffering.
  You joking about it makes a mockery of your faith.
  Congrats...
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
wrote:
   
And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on 
earth 
   so great.
Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
ornaments 
   that are made in 
China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour 
weeks.
Explain that to us Tommy.
   
   And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of 
them.
  
 





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread MarioAPNJ
 
In a message dated 12/21/2007 10:05:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Jackie...baby!

I posted a joke this morning that someone sent to  me by email. 
Thought it was cute.

Seemed to upset you and that  other guy a lot.




Didn't upset me.  I thought it was a silly  resuscitated Straw Man.
 
It's been on the right wing blogs for a few  years:
Pale pink predominantly penis people pandering to  people’s prejudices and 
petty pet peeves.
 
 



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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
I did.  Same result.  Still thought it was a cute joke.

You're going to have to educate me if you want me to grow.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I guess it's easier to blame it on somebody else.
 You can answer your own question by re-reading your joke and then
 thinking a bit outside of your comfortable little box.
 Happy Holidays.
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  Jackie...baby!
  
  I posted a joke this morning that someone sent to me by email.  
  Thought it was cute.
  
  Seemed to upset you and that other guy a lot.
  
  I have an open mind.  Educate me.  Why was that Greetings post 
so 
  upsetting?
  
  
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
wrote:
  
   I think you should consider changing the name of your TCN 
column 
  for 2008 from 
   Justified Right to The Ugly American
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
wrote:
   
What's the problem, you can't answer a simple question?
Your joke=somebody else's suffering.
You joking about it makes a mockery of your faith.
Congrats...

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
  justifiedright@ wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer 
hinge98@ 
  wrote:
 
  And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life 
here on 
  earth 
 so great.
  Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
  ornaments 
 that are made in 
  China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 
hour 
  weeks.
  Explain that to us Tommy.
 
 And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen 
of 
  them.

   
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
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 Didn't upset me.

Yes it did.



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread oakdorf
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To all my Christian friends, Merry Christmas.
 === To all, a reminder of an American ideal


and thank god for global warming.  Less need to head to Florida or
leave the area.

Looks like a few good travel days coming up.

And the argument continues as artifical  trees do MORE harm then good.

But most are made in China, contain some lead.

So who cares, right?

Everyone, if you have a yard, should plant a tree this xmas or give
the gift.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
I think you should consider changing the name of your TCN column for 2008 from 
Justified Right to The Ugly American

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What's the problem, you can't answer a simple question?
 Your joke=somebody else's suffering.
 You joking about it makes a mockery of your faith.
 Congrats...
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
  
   And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on earth 
  so great.
   Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas ornaments 
  that are made in 
   China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour weeks.
   Explain that to us Tommy.
  
  And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of them.
 






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
When I see somebody who's added the term carbon footprint to their 
vocabulary, it reminds 
me how much of a sheep a person can be.
To bad it's only a descriptive term, otherwise i'd suggest you still it up your 
ass.

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  and thank god for global warming.  Less need to head to Florida 
 or
  leave the area.
 
 YES! YES!  And what a boon for AP!  Imagine selling beach badges year 
 round!
 
 That's why I've decided to increase my carbon footprint wherever I can.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
What's the problem, you can't answer a simple question?
Your joke=somebody else's suffering.
You joking about it makes a mockery of your faith.
Congrats...

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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on earth 
 so great.
  Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas ornaments 
 that are made in 
  China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour weeks.
  Explain that to us Tommy.
 
 And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of them.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread asburycouple
What a wonderful Christian Christmas sentiment.  Merry christmas to all 
the children who toil in near slavery conditions to make the holiday so 
nice for Tom.


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 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on earth 
 so great.
  Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas ornaments 
 that are made in 
  China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour weeks.
  Explain that to us Tommy.
 
 And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of them.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread asburycouple
I actually thought the joke was in good fun - it's important to be 
able to laugh at both extremes of an argument.  But some of your 
comments since...  Wow.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jackie...baby!
 
 I posted a joke this morning that someone sent to me by email.  
 Thought it was cute.
 
 Seemed to upset you and that other guy a lot.
 
 I have an open mind.  Educate me.  Why was that Greetings post so 
 upsetting?
 
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I think you should consider changing the name of your TCN column 
 for 2008 from 
  Justified Right to The Ugly American
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
  
   What's the problem, you can't answer a simple question?
   Your joke=somebody else's suffering.
   You joking about it makes a mockery of your faith.
   Congrats...
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
 wrote:

 And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here 
on 
 earth 
so great.
 Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
 ornaments 
that are made in 
 China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour 
 weeks.
 Explain that to us Tommy.

And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of 
 them.
   
  
 





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread MarioAPNJ
 
In a message dated 12/21/2007 10:25:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I have  a better idea. Send the question about sweatshops in China making 
Xmas  
ornaments and what God would think of that to your friend and see what  
kinda bright 
answer he/she comes up with.
As for you, despite the fact  that your world view is very different then 
mine, you are still 
ok in my  book and I wish you and yours a Merry Christmas.


 
 
Ok,  Jack appeals to my better nature; so not to be outdone 
 
Once again to all Christians -- Merry Christmas -- Tommy included.
 
 



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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread asburycouple
I'll be able to sell my own beach badges, as my house will be right on 
the waterline...


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, oakdorf oakdorf@ wrote:
 
  and thank god for global warming.  Less need to head to Florida 
 or
  leave the area.
 
 YES! YES!  And what a boon for AP!  Imagine selling beach badges year 
 round!
 
 That's why I've decided to increase my carbon footprint wherever I 
can.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Kevin Brown
Coulter in Velvet!?
Now thats a traditional Christmas.

Now for the practical:

My prayer to God, and wish for all men and women of New Jersey this 
Christmas Season is simple.

That our taxes drop 75%
That Our Government shrink 80%
That Abstinance increase 75%
That Health improve 100%

With these 4 things alone it would be a better world.

Good Cheer To you all

Kevin Brown



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
That post I made this morning was a joke.  I stayed in a joking mood 
when I posted about China.  You know I wasn't serious.

And, yes, I will plead ignorance on $.40 an hour 70 hour work week 
child labor in China on behalf of WalMart.  I've not read about that.

Is there an article somewhere?


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 What a wonderful Christian Christmas sentiment.  Merry christmas 
to all 
 the children who toil in near slavery conditions to make the 
holiday so 
 nice for Tom.
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
wrote:
  
   And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on 
earth 
  so great.
   Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
ornaments 
  that are made in 
   China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour 
weeks.
   Explain that to us Tommy.
  
  And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of 
them.
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings - For Independents

2007-12-21 Thread Kevin Brown
Peace Out!



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread asburycouple
I know you were joking with both...  Somewhere there is a line 
between good and bad taste, which I acknowledge is subjective.  For 
me the first joke was fine - it is similar to others I've seen and a 
fun way of poking fun at the polar end of that particular debate.  
Most jokes are characterizations of an extreme view which is why they 
are funny, and we all need to be able to laugh at ourselves 
sometimes.  I've also seen you poke fun at ultra conservatives 
(rarely, but I've seen it).

But the line probably gets crossed with jokes about taking advantage 
of slave labor of children.  I realize your joking but if you step 
back and read it in print from the view not of your own eyes but of 
others it sounds really, really bad.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That post I made this morning was a joke.  I stayed in a joking 
mood 
 when I posted about China.  You know I wasn't serious.
 
 And, yes, I will plead ignorance on $.40 an hour 70 hour work week 
 child labor in China on behalf of WalMart.  I've not read about 
that.
 
 Is there an article somewhere?
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ 
 wrote:
 
  What a wonderful Christian Christmas sentiment.  Merry christmas 
 to all 
  the children who toil in near slavery conditions to make the 
 holiday so 
  nice for Tom.
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
  justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
 wrote:
   
And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on 
 earth 
   so great.
Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
 ornaments 
   that are made in 
China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour 
 weeks.
Explain that to us Tommy.
   
   And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of 
 them.
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
Here's one of many articles about it. I learned about it from CNN over the 
weekend.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/exposure/2007/woe-christmas-tree-wal-mart-
chinese-sweatshop.html




--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That post I made this morning was a joke.  I stayed in a joking mood 
 when I posted about China.  You know I wasn't serious.
 
 And, yes, I will plead ignorance on $.40 an hour 70 hour work week 
 child labor in China on behalf of WalMart.  I've not read about that.
 
 Is there an article somewhere?
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple asburycouple@ 
 wrote:
 
  What a wonderful Christian Christmas sentiment.  Merry christmas 
 to all 
  the children who toil in near slavery conditions to make the 
 holiday so 
  nice for Tom.
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
  justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
 wrote:
   
And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on 
 earth 
   so great.
Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
 ornaments 
   that are made in 
China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour 
 weeks.
Explain that to us Tommy.
   
   And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of 
 them.
  
 






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
Jack I fear if I click on a Mother Jones link my Republican 
National Committee card may catch fire right there in my back pocket.

Any other sources?  I checked Google quick and could find a case of 
WalMart getting out of a Bangledesh (I think) factory because of 
child labor.  Not much else on the China problem.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Here's one of many articles about it. I learned about it from CNN 
over the weekend.
 
 http://www.motherjones.com/news/exposure/2007/woe-christmas-tree-
wal-mart-
 chinese-sweatshop.html
 
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  That post I made this morning was a joke.  I stayed in a joking 
mood 
  when I posted about China.  You know I wasn't serious.
  
  And, yes, I will plead ignorance on $.40 an hour 70 hour work 
week 
  child labor in China on behalf of WalMart.  I've not read about 
that.
  
  Is there an article somewhere?
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple 
asburycouple@ 
  wrote:
  
   What a wonderful Christian Christmas sentiment.  Merry 
christmas 
  to all 
   the children who toil in near slavery conditions to make the 
  holiday so 
   nice for Tom.
   
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
   justifiedright@ wrote:
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
  wrote:

 And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here 
on 
  earth 
so great.
 Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
  ornaments 
that are made in 
 China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 
hour 
  weeks.
 Explain that to us Tommy.

And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen 
of 
  them.
   
  
 





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jersey Shore John

And that's why your values are so cheap you're able to be bought.

On Dec 21, 2007, at 9:55 AM, justifiedright wrote:


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on earth
so great.
 Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas ornaments
that are made in
 China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour weeks.
 Explain that to us Tommy.

And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen of them.







[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
Now John... It's already been established that this sort of joke is 
not funny and won't be tolerated.  It hurts feelings and makes 
people upset.

It even causes some to encounter uncontrollable bouts of 
alliteration.

Knowing that, I can only assume you posted that to make me upset.

You should apologize.




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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To
 All My Republic Friends:
 
 Please accept with my best wishes for an religiously exclusive,  
 socially irresponsible, high-stress, war-addictive, gender-
specific  
 celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the winter,  
 practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of religious  
 persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing capitalism with 
no  
 respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of  
 others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular  
 traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally irresponible,  
 personally destructive and medically unafforable recognition of 
the  
 onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but without 
due  
 respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose  
 contributions to society have helped make America great. And 
wishes  
 to continue to live in the delusion that America is greater than 
any  
 other country in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made 
with  
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS184880+07-Dec-2007+PRN20071207

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jack I fear if I click on a Mother Jones link my Republican 
 National Committee card may catch fire right there in my back pocket.
 
 Any other sources?  I checked Google quick and could find a case of 
 WalMart getting out of a Bangledesh (I think) factory because of 
 child labor.  Not much else on the China problem.
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  Here's one of many articles about it. I learned about it from CNN 
 over the weekend.
  
  http://www.motherjones.com/news/exposure/2007/woe-christmas-tree-
 wal-mart-
  chinese-sweatshop.html
  
  
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   That post I made this morning was a joke.  I stayed in a joking 
 mood 
   when I posted about China.  You know I wasn't serious.
   
   And, yes, I will plead ignorance on $.40 an hour 70 hour work 
 week 
   child labor in China on behalf of WalMart.  I've not read about 
 that.
   
   Is there an article somewhere?
   
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple 
 asburycouple@ 
   wrote:
   
What a wonderful Christian Christmas sentiment.  Merry 
 christmas 
   to all 
the children who toil in near slavery conditions to make the 
   holiday so 
nice for Tom.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
justifiedright@ wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ 
   wrote:
 
  And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here 
 on 
   earth 
 so great.
  Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas 
   ornaments 
 that are made in 
  China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 
 hour 
   weeks.
  Explain that to us Tommy.
 
 And that's why they are so cheap I was able to buy a dozen 
 of 
   them.

   
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
...celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the winter...

(Thought that part was funny though!)



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specific  
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 practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of religious  
 persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing capitalism with 
no  
 respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of  
 others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular  
 traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally irresponible,  
 personally destructive and medically unafforable recognition of 
the  
 onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but without 
due  
 respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose  
 contributions to society have helped make America great. And 
wishes  
 to continue to live in the delusion that America is greater than 
any  
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with  
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jersey Shore John

But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!

On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:38 PM, justifiedright wrote:


John I think your sarcasm detector is broken. You can't seem to
identify any.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!

 On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:

  Now John... It's already been established that this sort of joke
is
  not funny and won't be tolerated. It hurts feelings and makes
  people upset.
 
  It even causes some to encounter uncontrollable bouts of
  alliteration.
 
  Knowing that, I can only assume you posted that to make me upset.
 
  You should apologize.
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
  jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
  
   To
   All My Republic Friends:
  
   Please accept with my best wishes for an religiously exclusive,
   socially irresponsible, high-stress, war-addictive, gender-
  specific
   celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the winter,
   practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of religious
   persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing capitalism with
  no
   respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions
of
   others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular
   traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally irresponible,
   personally destructive and medically unafforable recognition of
  the
   onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but without
  due
   respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
   contributions to society have helped make America great. And
  wishes
   to continue to live in the delusion that America is greater
than
  any
   other country in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is
made
  with
   extreme exclusion and prejudice to the race, creed, color, age,
   physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the
  wishee.
  
   To
  
   All My Democratic Friends:
  
   Only 396 days until the end of the Chimp's Unitary Presidency.
  
 
 
 








Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jersey Shore John

But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!

On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:


Now John... It's already been established that this sort of joke is
not funny and won't be tolerated. It hurts feelings and makes
people upset.

It even causes some to encounter uncontrollable bouts of
alliteration.

Knowing that, I can only assume you posted that to make me upset.

You should apologize.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To
 All My Republic Friends:

 Please accept with my best wishes for an religiously exclusive,
 socially irresponsible, high-stress, war-addictive, gender-
specific
 celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the winter,
 practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of religious
 persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing capitalism with
no
 respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of
 others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular
 traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally irresponible,
 personally destructive and medically unafforable recognition of
the
 onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but without
due
 respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
 contributions to society have helped make America great. And
wishes
 to continue to live in the delusion that America is greater than
any
 other country in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made
with
 extreme exclusion and prejudice to the race, creed, color, age,
 physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the
wishee.

 To

 All My Democratic Friends:

 Only 396 days until the end of the Chimp's Unitary Presidency.








[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
John I think your sarcasm detector is broken.  You can't seem to 
identify any.



--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!
 
 On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:
 
  Now John... It's already been established that this sort of joke 
is
  not funny and won't be tolerated. It hurts feelings and makes
  people upset.
 
  It even causes some to encounter uncontrollable bouts of
  alliteration.
 
  Knowing that, I can only assume you posted that to make me upset.
 
  You should apologize.
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
  jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
  
   To
   All My Republic Friends:
  
   Please accept with my best wishes for an religiously exclusive,
   socially irresponsible, high-stress, war-addictive, gender-
  specific
   celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the winter,
   practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of religious
   persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing capitalism with
  no
   respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions 
of
   others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular
   traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally irresponible,
   personally destructive and medically unafforable recognition of
  the
   onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but without
  due
   respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
   contributions to society have helped make America great. And
  wishes
   to continue to live in the delusion that America is greater 
than
  any
   other country in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is 
made
  with
   extreme exclusion and prejudice to the race, creed, color, age,
   physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the
  wishee.
  
   To
  
   All My Democratic Friends:
  
   Only 396 days until the end of the Chimp's Unitary Presidency.
  
 
 
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread dfsavgny
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 That post I made this morning was a joke.  I stayed in a joking mood 
 when I posted about China.  You know I wasn't serious.
 
 And, yes, I will plead ignorance on $.40 an hour 70 hour work week 
 child labor in China on behalf of WalMart.  I've not read about that.
 
 Is there an article somewhere?

Yeah but those kids get universal health care.




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
This is a total non-sequitur, but besides the joke that is our healthcare 
system, i'm blown 
away by the whole thing about CA./Schwatzneger and 13 other states considering 
suing 
the EPA because of the slow pace of their plan to change emmision ratings 
quicker. GW 
just doesn't get it by defending the EPA. He'll stick to his guns no matter how 
much logic 
is placed before him. He's a swell guy.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright
 justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  That post I made this morning was a joke.  I stayed in a joking mood 
  when I posted about China.  You know I wasn't serious.
  
  And, yes, I will plead ignorance on $.40 an hour 70 hour work week 
  child labor in China on behalf of WalMart.  I've not read about that.
  
  Is there an article somewhere?
 
 Yeah but those kids get universal health care.






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
I'm still waiting for a conservative, or somebody, to explain to me how the 
concept of 
Xmas, God and a sweatshop in China co-relate.
I really need somebody who is religious to explain that in a world overseen by 
a god how 
something like that could happen.
That's the non-funny part.
But people like to avoid thinking about things like this.
I recently went in search of a hooded sweatshirt to replace my stolen one. I 
went to Old 
Navy and noticed that virtually every single item of clothing came from a 
country known 
for sweatshop practices. All around me, people are buying like crazy, and I 
feel like an 
outsider because i'm aware of the label.
Isn't there something deeply wrong with this picture?
We are basically funding things that violate humane rights, but because of the 
almighty 
dollar, it's easy to overlook reality.
That being said, if conservatives want to laugh at me for that kind of thinking 
they can go 
f themselves. Sorry to sound harsh, but that's truly the way I feel.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thought we made it past this but..yes, yes it was funny.
 
 And enlightening.  From the response it got here, I think there may 
 be more truth to it than joke.  Now I see why conservatives think 
 its so funny.
 
 I think I'll cut and paste the response it got here and send them 
 back to the guy who sent it to me.
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
 jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
 
  But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!
  
  On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:38 PM, justifiedright wrote:
  
   John I think your sarcasm detector is broken. You can't seem to
   identify any.
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
   jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
   
But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!
   
On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:
   
 Now John... It's already been established that this sort of 
 joke
   is
 not funny and won't be tolerated. It hurts feelings and makes
 people upset.

 It even causes some to encounter uncontrollable bouts of
 alliteration.

 Knowing that, I can only assume you posted that to make me 
 upset.

 You should apologize.

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
 jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
 
  To
  All My Republic Friends:
 
  Please accept with my best wishes for an religiously 
 exclusive,
  socially irresponsible, high-stress, war-addictive, gender-
 specific
  celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the 
 winter,
  practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of 
 religious
  persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing capitalism 
 with
 no
  respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or 
 traditions
   of
  others, or their choice not to practice religious or 
 secular
  traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally irresponible,
  personally destructive and medically unafforable 
 recognition of
 the
  onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but 
 without
 due
  respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
  contributions to society have helped make America great. 
 And
 wishes
  to continue to live in the delusion that America is greater
   than
 any
  other country in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is
   made
 with
  extreme exclusion and prejudice to the race, creed, color, 
 age,
  physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of 
 the
 wishee.
 
  To
 
  All My Democratic Friends:
 
  Only 396 days until the end of the Chimp's Unitary 
 Presidency.
 



   
  
  
  
 






 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
Thought we made it past this but..yes, yes it was funny.

And enlightening.  From the response it got here, I think there may 
be more truth to it than joke.  Now I see why conservatives think 
its so funny.

I think I'll cut and paste the response it got here and send them 
back to the guy who sent it to me.


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!
 
 On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:38 PM, justifiedright wrote:
 
  John I think your sarcasm detector is broken. You can't seem to
  identify any.
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
  jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
  
   But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!
  
   On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:
  
Now John... It's already been established that this sort of 
joke
  is
not funny and won't be tolerated. It hurts feelings and makes
people upset.
   
It even causes some to encounter uncontrollable bouts of
alliteration.
   
Knowing that, I can only assume you posted that to make me 
upset.
   
You should apologize.
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:

 To
 All My Republic Friends:

 Please accept with my best wishes for an religiously 
exclusive,
 socially irresponsible, high-stress, war-addictive, gender-
specific
 celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the 
winter,
 practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of 
religious
 persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing capitalism 
with
no
 respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or 
traditions
  of
 others, or their choice not to practice religious or 
secular
 traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally irresponible,
 personally destructive and medically unafforable 
recognition of
the
 onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but 
without
due
 respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose
 contributions to society have helped make America great. 
And
wishes
 to continue to live in the delusion that America is greater
  than
any
 other country in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is
  made
with
 extreme exclusion and prejudice to the race, creed, color, 
age,
 physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of 
the
wishee.

 To

 All My Democratic Friends:

 Only 396 days until the end of the Chimp's Unitary 
Presidency.

   
   
   
  
 
 
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread asburycouple
Jack, believe it or not products made in Cambodia are better to buy 
from based on an article I was reading the other day.  While Cambodia 
still has low priced labor vs. the US and many other industrialized 
countries they have chosen to differentiate themselves vs. others 
like China by treating their workers more fairly, paying a living 
wage and not allowing things like child labor and sweat shops.  





--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm still waiting for a conservative, or somebody, to explain to me 
how the concept of 
 Xmas, God and a sweatshop in China co-relate.
 I really need somebody who is religious to explain that in a world 
overseen by a god how 
 something like that could happen.
 That's the non-funny part.
 But people like to avoid thinking about things like this.
 I recently went in search of a hooded sweatshirt to replace my 
stolen one. I went to Old 
 Navy and noticed that virtually every single item of clothing came 
from a country known 
 for sweatshop practices. All around me, people are buying like 
crazy, and I feel like an 
 outsider because i'm aware of the label.
 Isn't there something deeply wrong with this picture?
 We are basically funding things that violate humane rights, but 
because of the almighty 
 dollar, it's easy to overlook reality.
 That being said, if conservatives want to laugh at me for that kind 
of thinking they can go 
 f themselves. Sorry to sound harsh, but that's truly the way I feel.
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
justifiedright@ wrote:
 
  Thought we made it past this but..yes, yes it was funny.
  
  And enlightening.  From the response it got here, I think there 
may 
  be more truth to it than joke.  Now I see why conservatives 
think 
  its so funny.
  
  I think I'll cut and paste the response it got here and send them 
  back to the guy who sent it to me.
  
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
  jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
  
   But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!
   
   On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:38 PM, justifiedright wrote:
   
John I think your sarcasm detector is broken. You can't seem 
to
identify any.
   
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:

 But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!

 On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:

  Now John... It's already been established that this sort 
of 
  joke
is
  not funny and won't be tolerated. It hurts feelings and 
makes
  people upset.
 
  It even causes some to encounter uncontrollable bouts of
  alliteration.
 
  Knowing that, I can only assume you posted that to make 
me 
  upset.
 
  You should apologize.
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
  jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
  
   To
   All My Republic Friends:
  
   Please accept with my best wishes for an religiously 
  exclusive,
   socially irresponsible, high-stress, war-addictive, 
gender-
  specific
   celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the 
  winter,
   practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of 
  religious
   persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing 
capitalism 
  with
  no
   respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or 
  traditions
of
   others, or their choice not to practice religious or 
  secular
   traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally 
irresponible,
   personally destructive and medically unafforable 
  recognition of
  the
   onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but 
  without
  due
   respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures 
whose
   contributions to society have helped make America 
great. 
  And
  wishes
   to continue to live in the delusion that America is 
greater
than
  any
   other country in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this 
wish is
made
  with
   extreme exclusion and prejudice to the race, creed, 
color, 
  age,
   physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference 
of 
  the
  wishee.
  
   To
  
   All My Democratic Friends:
  
   Only 396 days until the end of the Chimp's Unitary 
  Presidency.
  
 
 
 

   
   
   
  
 





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Jack Pitzer
I've heard that.
It really bugs me that we gave away virtually all of our manufacturing to other 
countries.
Even worse, I heard a thing on NPR recently talking about how Honduras has 
become the 
center for sock production world wide. The US used to be the leader in this. 
But, the 
problem for Honduras is that because of free trade agreements, they've made a 
huge 
investment into the sock manufacturing market, and they are about to lose that 
to China 
as well because of upcoming dates and changes within the free trade agreements. 
Terrible.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, asburycouple [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Jack, believe it or not products made in Cambodia are better to buy 
 from based on an article I was reading the other day.  While Cambodia 
 still has low priced labor vs. the US and many other industrialized 
 countries they have chosen to differentiate themselves vs. others 
 like China by treating their workers more fairly, paying a living 
 wage and not allowing things like child labor and sweat shops.  
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote:
 
  I'm still waiting for a conservative, or somebody, to explain to me 
 how the concept of 
  Xmas, God and a sweatshop in China co-relate.
  I really need somebody who is religious to explain that in a world 
 overseen by a god how 
  something like that could happen.
  That's the non-funny part.
  But people like to avoid thinking about things like this.
  I recently went in search of a hooded sweatshirt to replace my 
 stolen one. I went to Old 
  Navy and noticed that virtually every single item of clothing came 
 from a country known 
  for sweatshop practices. All around me, people are buying like 
 crazy, and I feel like an 
  outsider because i'm aware of the label.
  Isn't there something deeply wrong with this picture?
  We are basically funding things that violate humane rights, but 
 because of the almighty 
  dollar, it's easy to overlook reality.
  That being said, if conservatives want to laugh at me for that kind 
 of thinking they can go 
  f themselves. Sorry to sound harsh, but that's truly the way I feel.
  
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, justifiedright 
 justifiedright@ wrote:
  
   Thought we made it past this but..yes, yes it was funny.
   
   And enlightening.  From the response it got here, I think there 
 may 
   be more truth to it than joke.  Now I see why conservatives 
 think 
   its so funny.
   
   I think I'll cut and paste the response it got here and send them 
   back to the guy who sent it to me.
   
   
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John 
   jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
   
But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!

On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:38 PM, justifiedright wrote:

 John I think your sarcasm detector is broken. You can't seem 
 to
 identify any.

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
 jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
 
  But it was SO FUNNY! RIGHT? JUST A JOKE! HAHAHAHAHA!
 
  On Dec 21, 2007, at 12:12 PM, justifiedright wrote:
 
   Now John... It's already been established that this sort 
 of 
   joke
 is
   not funny and won't be tolerated. It hurts feelings and 
 makes
   people upset.
  
   It even causes some to encounter uncontrollable bouts of
   alliteration.
  
   Knowing that, I can only assume you posted that to make 
 me 
   upset.
  
   You should apologize.
  
   --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
   jerseyshorejohn@ wrote:
   
To
All My Republic Friends:
   
Please accept with my best wishes for an religiously 
   exclusive,
socially irresponsible, high-stress, war-addictive, 
 gender-
   specific
celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the 
   winter,
practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of 
   religious
persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing 
 capitalism 
   with
   no
respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or 
   traditions
 of
others, or their choice not to practice religious or 
   secular
traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally 
 irresponible,
personally destructive and medically unafforable 
   recognition of
   the
onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but 
   without
   due
respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures 
 whose
contributions to society have helped make America 
 great. 
   And
   wishes
to continue to live in the delusion that America is 
 greater
 than
   any
other country in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this 
 wish is
 made
   with
extreme exclusion and prejudice to the race, creed, 
 color, 
   age,
physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference 
 of 
   the
   wishee.
   
To

[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread Kevin Brown
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm still waiting for a conservative, or somebody, to explain to me 
how the concept of 
 Xmas, God and a sweatshop in China co-relate.
 I really need somebody who is religious to explain that in a world 
overseen by a god how 
 something like that could happen.

That's easy enough to answer.  God gave all authority over to Adam, 
the man, who was tricked by the woman, who was tricked by the snake.

So God gave it to a man - who lost it!  The world now is in the 
auspices of The evil one.

Yet, be of good cheer, because a savior has been born on earth, and 
anew, into the hearts of those who believe.

This is a simple answer, I didn't really feel the need to get so 
complex.

KB



 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread 2fine4u
Rev. Kev.,
I wish the same for you!  Good Luck with your projects, in 2008!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Coulter in Velvet!?
 Now thats a traditional Christmas.
 
 Now for the practical:
 
 My prayer to God, and wish for all men and women of New Jersey this 
 Christmas Season is simple.
 
 That our taxes drop 75%
 That Our Government shrink 80%
 That Abstinance increase 75%
 That Health improve 100%
 
 With these 4 things alone it would be a better world.
 
 Good Cheer To you all
 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread 2fine4u
Jack,

- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The problem is, nobody cares.
 And for Tommy and his all loving God that makes life here on earth
so great.
 Please ask God why it's ok for Walmart to sell Christmas ornaments
that are made in 
 China by kids making 40 cents an hour while working 70 hour weeks.
 Explain that to us Tommy.
 Perhaps some of those ornaments are hanging on your tree (across the
room from your 


I couldn't resist laughing at this:

 Ann Coulter velvet painting)

Although I know you're serious!  You should ignore it, I did!




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread 2fine4u
John,
One caveat:  Remember 2000 and 2004.  I just heard the Smirking Chimp,
say that the Repugs, are going to win in 2008.  They've succeeded
twice in stealing 2 federal elections, so all I can say, is PRAY! 
Remember the lines in Ohio and the thousands of voters
disenfranchised, that day.  

They have learned to circumvent Civil Rights Laws.  See New Orleans
after Katrina!  A classic case, in how to get rid of your poor and
minorities.  

Give them a one-way ticket out, guaranteed to wear them down, then
grab the land and turn New Orleans into a Disney site!  Bring cheap
labor into a town, known for its' black artisans, that have built the
architecture, since slavery times, guaranteeing even their middle
class from returning, while a section of town languishes.  

I saw a home with two years growth, from nature recapturing, what was
once, a home.  I've never traveled to Haiti, but from the looks of the
9th ward, I came pretty close!

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jersey Shore John
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To
 All My Republic Friends:
 
 Please accept with my best wishes for an religiously exclusive,  
 socially irresponsible, high-stress, war-addictive, gender-specific  
 celebration of the the springtime birth of Jesus in the winter,  
 practiced within the most unenjoyable traditions of religious  
 persecution, mass consumption and soul-crushing capitalism with no  
 respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of  
 others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular  
 traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally irresponible,  
 personally destructive and medically unafforable recognition of the  
 onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2008, but without due  
 respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose  
 contributions to society have helped make America great. And wishes  
 to continue to live in the delusion that America is greater than any  
 other country in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made with  
 extreme exclusion and prejudice to the race, creed, color, age,  
 physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishee.
 
 To
 
 All My Democratic Friends:
 
 Only 396 days until the end of the Chimp's Unitary Presidency.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings

2007-12-21 Thread justifiedright
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm still waiting for a conservative, or somebody, to explain to 
me how the concept of 
 Xmas, God and a sweatshop in China co-relate.
 I really need somebody who is religious to explain that in a world 
overseen by a god how 
 something like that could happen.

Jack as far as my religion goes, we don't believe God intervenes 
like that.  The greatest gift He gave us was free will.  He allows 
us our choices.  We choose the good or the evil, and he lets us 
alone.

Until we get Judged.  Then it's Heaven or Hell.

So I don't hold God responsible for child labor in China. I hold 
responsible those who aren't following His word (or even the word of 
their own religion).

As an aside, I would not want to live in a world where God 
manipulated us all to the good.  It wouldn't be living.

Just my thoughts on my own religion, not to be preachy, but only 
because you asked me thrice (I never use my religion to assert I'm 
right in a discussion, and certainly not doing that now;  you've 
seen enough of me to know that.  Just defining my personal view 
because you asked me thrice).

Merry Christmas to you and yours, friend!




 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings from Asbury Park on NJN

2006-07-29 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Sharon Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 Dear Hinge, or whatever you call yourself, with no name, just an 
 alias.  You MUST be new, or you'd know who I am, just as many other 
 posters, do.

Sharon, that was my post (Dan) not Jack Hinge.








 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings from Asbury Park on NJN

2006-07-28 Thread Sharon Boone
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Sharon Boone sharon_b283@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
  
   Did anybody watch Greetings from Asbury Park on NJN last night?
   If so, i'm wondering what people thought about it.

Dear Hinge, or whatever you call yourself, with no name, just an 
alias.  You MUST be new, or you'd know who I am, just as many other 
posters, do.  I didn't say the meetings Ex-cluded anyone!  I find 
them much ado about nothing since, the Council and the Partners are 
going to decide anyway.  I am related to Mayor Sanders, by marriage, 
and for the last time, I have known him practically ALL of his life!
Kevin has only one vote and whatever issues come before him, he has 
to do what he has to, even if some don't agree.  This isn't NYC or 
even Deal, across the bridge.  Everyone wants him and the council to 
perform miracles, or see things their way.  Everyone thinks that 
they are RIGHT, including ME! All I want is to be able to afford to 
continue to live here and be left alone!  You DON't know me, so 
don't assume!

Don't know when you joined this board, but respect the rights of 
others to disagree, even if YOU think YOU're  right!  We ALL are 
involved! 

The is an equal 
 opportunity redevelopment. It ignores everyone. 

When this happens, let me know.

Our mayor is a person 
 of color as is another councilman. 

I know Ed, also.

There are others of color on the 
 public payroll as well. Let's not play the race card. 

What race card?  Seems you play it well!

This city belongs 
 to who ever comes to invest or live here, obey the laws and be 
 productive. Race, religion, etc. does give anyone a priority and 
it 
 certainly should not disadvantage them.

I thought this was America.  Seems like Mississippi, sometimes.  I 
should know.  I came of age during the 60's, in New Orleans, 
attended private, but segregated schools.  Don't tell ME about the 
race card.  I LIVED it!  Katrina, proved that!

Most were born and raised here.  Why shouldn't they be employed in a 
town where they live?  Be careful, because you don't know who you 
are dealing with.  Not a threat, just a fact.  You have no idea, 
what Blacks have to live with, so don't assume, until you become, 
BLACK, or treated like one.  You make the same generalities 
all other so-called Americans, make about people of color. You 
ASSUME, too much!

You speak of Gays, as if THEY are some other, also.  They're the 
most misunderstood group, of all! I hope to see an Asbury Park, that 
is diverse and exciting, where everyone respects the other.  There's 
a lot of it here.  I saw it during the Katrina Rally last 
September.  Some of the greatest Americans of all, live here! I 
know.  It's not perfect, but forever trying.  Leave me alone!








 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings from Asbury Park on NJN

2006-07-28 Thread Hinge
Sharon,
This is Hinge, a.k.a. Jack.
I did not write any of the comments you are referring to.
Please take a closer look at the thread. I only started it.
I was looking for peoples opinions of the NJN broadcast.
Sincerely, Jack





 
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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Greetings from Asbury Park on NJN

2006-07-28 Thread Hinge
Sharon,
This is Hinge, a.k.a. Jack.
I did not write any of the comments you are
referring to.
Please take a closer look at the thread. I only
started it.
I was looking for peoples opinions of the NJN
broadcast.
Sincerely, Jack


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Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Greetings from Asbury Park on NJN

2006-07-24 Thread Allan Peterson



Not sure how this became a race issue however the Mayor has been leading/involved in the redevelopment since the beginning. I'll ask, what is your opinion Sharon?Sharon Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com, "Hinge" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anybody watch Greetings from Asbury Park on NJN last night? If so, i'm wondering what people thought about it.I thought it was
 great, seeing Asbury Park from a Black perspective and having frequented these places and knowing all of the Blacks interviewed, however, no one consults THEM on how best to develop Asbury Park, so that is is IN-clusive as opposed to being EX-clusive! Just my thoughts, from one of the majority. BTW, have lived here for 36 years and no one has ever asked me, what I thought. Not a monk-kee, either, for you name-callers, out there. 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings from Asbury Park on NJN

2006-07-23 Thread Sharon Boone
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Did anybody watch Greetings from Asbury Park on NJN last night?
 If so, i'm wondering what people thought about it.

I thought it was great, seeing Asbury Park from a Black perspective 
and having frequented these places and knowing all of the Blacks 
interviewed, however, no one consults THEM on how best to develop 
Asbury Park, so that is is IN-clusive as opposed to being EX-clusive! 
Just my thoughts, from one of the majority.  BTW, have lived here for 
36 years and no one has ever asked me, what I thought.  Not a monk-
kee, either, for you name-callers, out there.





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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings from Asbury Park on NJN

2006-07-23 Thread dfsavgny
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Sharon Boone [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Hinge hinge98@ wrote:
 
  Did anybody watch Greetings from Asbury Park on NJN last night?
  If so, i'm wondering what people thought about it.
 
 I thought it was great, seeing Asbury Park from a Black perspective 
 and having frequented these places and knowing all of the Blacks 
 interviewed, however, no one consults THEM on how best to develop 
 Asbury Park, so that is is IN-clusive as opposed to being EX-clusive! 
 Just my thoughts, from one of the majority.  BTW, have lived here for 
 36 years and no one has ever asked me, what I thought.  Not a monk-
 kee, either, for you name-callers, out there.

Sharon

There were public meetings. I don't think they excluded persons by 
reason of race, religion, gender or sexual orientation. The is an equal 
opportunity redevelopment. It ignores everyone. Our mayor is a person 
of color as is another councilman. There are others of color on the 
public payroll as well. Let's not play the race card. This city belongs 
to who ever comes to invest or live here, obey the laws and be 
productive. Race, religion, etc. does give anyone a priority and it 
certainly should not disadvantage them.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings fellow citizens.....It appears things are heating up in Asbury Park...

2005-04-19 Thread dfsavgny


Iceman is this you? Your spelling of Kiedy is similar (Kiety before 
Keady correct). If this is you, I like you new tone since it allows one 
to see your points.







 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings fellow citizens.....It appears things are heating up in Asbury Park...

2005-04-19 Thread Tony Tedesco


you beat me to the question. with the spelling and the capitalization 
it certainly is similar. If it is Ice, I agree that this persona is 
much more palatable, he has always had good points, but having to 
clench your teeth just to read through the personal attacks to get to 
them definitely made responding constructively a challenge.

--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dfsavgny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Iceman is this you? Your spelling of Kiedy is similar (Kiety before 
 Keady correct). If this is you, I like you new tone since it allows 
one 
 to see your points.





 
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[AsburyPark] Re: Greetings fellow citizens.....It appears things are heating up in Asbury Park...

2005-04-19 Thread dfsavgny


--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tony Tedesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 you beat me to the question. with the spelling and the capitalization 
 it certainly is similar. If it is Ice, I agree that this persona is 
 much more palatable, he has always had good points, but having to 
 clench your teeth just to read through the personal attacks to get to 
 them definitely made responding constructively a challenge.
 
Only in AP, I love it!






 
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