[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
The way I see it, we've lost our beach, too, when a blue screen is put up, too! The Beach belongs to Asbury Park and the powers that be ALLOWED this? Yeah, someone's been bought off! The blue screen says, non-payers, NOT allowed and YOU people either! Private party on a public beach? $45.00? The beach should be free, anyway. New Jersey is the ONLY state, that you have to PAY to use what nature gave to ALL of us; not just the rich, satisfying their greedy, selfish whims, so they can feel better! My 2 cents! --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering why this isn't more of an uproar about the current situation with the bandshell. Glenn took a photo that clearly illustrates that heating and a/c units have been placed where at the back of the area where the seats used to be located, as well as a huge A/C unit directly next to the stage. There's no way a perfomance can go on with that A/C unit in place, which raises the question about the future of the bandshell. The way I see it, we lost our bandshell. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tom tom@ wrote: We were attracted to producing HAIR in the Carousel building because we knew the space would add to our unique vision. Yet another reason to restore the Pryor bandshell. Imagine it...Hamlet at HoJo's! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
And I see what you see, Jack. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John, I think you hit the nail on the head for me. What I still love about AP is Cookman Ave, and the entire area surrounding it. It still retains the AP authenticity that I grew up with. But, for me, it's not just about being sentimental. It's more about uniqueness and diversity. I've traveled extensively, both in this country and abroad, and what I find happening here in America is that too many places are losing their identity to redevelopment that isn't done with a sense of place or history. There are so many places in this country that are cookie cutter exactly the same. When I used to tour in the music biz, i recall waking up in my tour bus and being confused because I knew we just drove 600 miles overnight, but the view out the window was virtually the same as the place we just left. That observation was repeated over and over. But there is unique here in America. Places like Lawrence Kansas, Seattle, Madison Wisconsin, much of NYC to name a few. When I look at our current boardwalk, I see the beautiful CH/Paramount on one end, and the ghost of The Casino on the other. But in between, I see pedestrian boring architecture that reminds me of strip malls. Maybe not typical NJ strip malls, but no different then what overpopulates places like Miami. I really don't think the middle redeveloped section of the boardwalk fits in with the end pieces. I think the pavilion that MM and AP Partners has their offices in to be a complete waste of space. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
The look and style is like a mall. Everything is the same, stucco and some color badly used. Cartoon Architecture. I think time will not improve that, a lot of money has been spent. Looks like thats what your getting. The style and construction methods could be found just about anywhere. The issue in many places with chains coming in is the placenment of signs and the coorporate identity overtaking the buildings. Its usually handled with strict design codes. I guess no such thing exists for the boardwalk along with no code to restore the bandstand building. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, It is not a strip mall...yet. Currently you have mom pop retailers. Many are residents of Asbury who want to aid in the rebuilding and have taken risks to create these specility shops. With that being said, who else would open up stores on the boardwalk/ This is truely the first summer the boradwalk has a direction and it was very late in opening. Retail works in a cycles. You will have the mom pop stores and as they build customers, the retail giants then move in. Rents go up and the mom pops leave. You see this happen all over. If I do recall, MM did mention J Crew as a retailer when they were proposing the boardwalk rebuild. Time will tell. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We were attracted to producing HAIR in the Carousel building because we knew the space would add to our unique vision. Yet another reason to restore the Pryor bandshell. Imagine it...Hamlet at HoJo's! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
I'm wondering why this isn't more of an uproar about the current situation with the bandshell. Glenn took a photo that clearly illustrates that heating and a/c units have been placed where at the back of the area where the seats used to be located, as well as a huge A/C unit directly next to the stage. There's no way a perfomance can go on with that A/C unit in place, which raises the question about the future of the bandshell. The way I see it, we lost our bandshell. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Tom tom@ wrote: We were attracted to producing HAIR in the Carousel building because we knew the space would add to our unique vision. Yet another reason to restore the Pryor bandshell. Imagine it...Hamlet at HoJo's! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering why this isn't more of an uproar about the current situation with the bandshell. Actually, if you click here http://www.asburyradio.com/audio/PublicComment070208_007.mp3 and FF to 12:18, I think you'll find the response to Werner's very articulate and well-founded question regarding the bandshell to be quite uproarious - in a Marxian sort of way. (That's in every contract. That's what they call a sanity clause. - Ha! You can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Claus.)
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
Unfortunately I'm at work and I can't turn it up load enough to hear the response. What does it say? It sounds to me like they aren't answering the question Werner posed. Meanwhile, while we're all praising MM for the amazing job they've done, that very praise is going to overshadow the fact that MM went way past what was supposed to be done and basically destroyed the 5th Ave. pavilion. Now it's a strip mall with expensive dining. No bandshell. We might as well kiss the bandshell goodbye, because I really don't see MM removing the heating and A/C units. And there is no way on earth that the one next to the stage can be concealed or silenced in any way to make performances up there possible. Once again. our city drops the ball and let's the developers do whatever they want. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I'm wondering why this isn't more of an uproar about the current situation with the bandshell. Actually, if you click here http://www.asburyradio.com/audio/PublicComment070208_007.mp3 and FF to 12:18, I think you'll find the response to Werner's very articulate and well-founded question regarding the bandshell to be quite uproarious - in a Marxian sort of way. (That's in every contract. That's what they call a sanity clause. - Ha! You can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Claus.) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
How many strip malls have places like Hot Sand, LaPlaca and two dining establishments that look out onto a beautiful beach/surf. I take issue with that comment. I do agree, however, that the bandshell should have a future and it doesn't seem that way now. Dan S. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately I'm at work and I can't turn it up load enough to hear the response. What does it say? It sounds to me like they aren't answering the question Werner posed. Meanwhile, while we're all praising MM for the amazing job they've done, that very praise is going to overshadow the fact that MM went way past what was supposed to be done and basically destroyed the 5th Ave. pavilion. Now it's a strip mall with expensive dining. No bandshell. We might as well kiss the bandshell goodbye, because I really don't see MM removing the heating and A/C units. And there is no way on earth that the one next to the stage can be concealed or silenced in any way to make performances up there possible. Once again. our city drops the ball and let's the developers do whatever they want. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I'm wondering why this isn't more of an uproar about the current situation with the bandshell. Actually, if you click here http://www.asburyradio.com/audio/PublicComment070208_007.mp3 and FF to 12:18, I think you'll find the response to Werner's very articulate and well-founded question regarding the bandshell to be quite uproarious - in a Marxian sort of way. (That's in every contract. That's what they call a sanity clause. - Ha! You can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Claus.) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, sandpiper15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, if you click here http://www.asburyradio.com/audio/PublicComment070208_007.mp3 and FF to 12:18, I think you'll find the response to Werner's very articulate and well-founded question regarding the bandshell to be quite uproarious - in a Marxian sort of way. (That's in every contract. That's what they call a sanity clause. - Ha! You can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Claus.) === Figured I'd give it one last shot at a Public meeting :-( Amazing how A-Partners were finally pushed to restore the building properly and then MM comes along and the entire approval process along with the Dispute Resolution Agreement is thrown out the window. It's now the Tri-color Stucco Wonder Building. Werner Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
In a message dated 7/22/2008 10:31:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yet another reason to restore the Pryor bandshell. Imagine it...Hamlet at HoJo's! If it be not now, yet it will come; the readiness is all Let be. Hamlet, V.ii. **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520)
Re: [AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
Jack, It is not a strip mall...yet. Currently you have mom pop retailers. Many are residents of Asbury who want to aid in the rebuilding and have taken risks to create these specility shops. With that being said, who else would open up stores on the boardwalk/ This is truely the first summer the boradwalk has a direction and it was very late in opening. Retail works in a cycles. You will have the mom pop stores and as they build customers, the retail giants then move in. Rents go up and the mom pops leave. You see this happen all over. If I do recall, MM did mention J Crew as a retailer when they were proposing the boardwalk rebuild. Time will tell. - Original Message From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:12:26 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR. I'm sorry that you take issue with my comment, but to me, the 5th Ave. pavilion currently looks like a strip mall. Does it look better yes, but I think it's been ruined. To me, it looks throw together, and not faithfully restored according to the plan. It doesn't even fit into the classic look of CH and the Paramount, nor what the Casino will look like if that's ever completed. There are strip malls in this country that have fine dining establishments and places like you've mentioned, but they are still strip malls. They are all over the Miami area. I honestly think that people are so weary from decades of neglect that the boardwalk experienced that people have lowered their expectations and are willing to accept any progress without question. Now we have a bandshell that probably doesn't have a future. How is that going to be resolved? I'm willing to bet that it doesn't get resolved, because people are being too seduced by what they perceive to be progress. Our city has also been lulled by the seduction, and they don't appear to have the balls to step up and do anything about it. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many strip malls have places like Hot Sand, LaPlaca and two dining establishments that look out onto a beautiful beach/surf. I take issue with that comment. I do agree, however, that the bandshell should have a future and it doesn't seem that way now. Dan S. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Unfortunately I'm at work and I can't turn it up load enough to hear the response. What does it say? It sounds to me like they aren't answering the question Werner posed. Meanwhile, while we're all praising MM for the amazing job they've done, that very praise is going to overshadow the fact that MM went way past what was supposed to be done and basically destroyed the 5th Ave. pavilion. Now it's a strip mall with expensive dining. No bandshell. We might as well kiss the bandshell goodbye, because I really don't see MM removing the heating and A/C units. And there is no way on earth that the one next to the stage can be concealed or silenced in any way to make performances up there possible. Once again. our city drops the ball and let's the developers do whatever they want. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I'm wondering why this isn't more of an uproar about the current situation with the bandshell. Actually, if you click here http://www.asburyra dio.com/audio/ PublicComment070 208_007.mp3 and FF to 12:18, I think you'll find the response to Werner's very articulate and well-founded question regarding the bandshell to be quite uproarious - in a Marxian sort of way. (That's in every contract. That's what they call a sanity clause. - Ha! You can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Claus.)
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
Jack, I am curious what type of shops should be in the pavillions so they aren't a strip mall? Also, who knows if Gary is telling the truth but if you read the article in the tri city news he does not want to bring in big retailers because he realizes that is not what the boardwalk is about and would not create a UNIQUE destination. So far i think they have done a decent job in the unique department. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, It is not a strip mall...yet. Currently you have mom pop retailers. Many are residents of Asbury who want to aid in the rebuilding and have taken risks to create these specility shops. With that being said, who else would open up stores on the boardwalk/ This is truely the first summer the boradwalk has a direction and it was very late in opening. Retail works in a cycles. You will have the mom pop stores and as they build customers, the retail giants then move in. Rents go up and the mom pops leave. You see this happen all over. If I do recall, MM did mention J Crew as a retailer when they were proposing the boardwalk rebuild. Time will tell. - Original Message From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:12:26 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR. I'm sorry that you take issue with my comment, but to me, the 5th Ave. pavilion currently looks like a strip mall. Does it look better yes, but I think it's been ruined. To me, it looks throw together, and not faithfully restored according to the plan. It doesn't even fit into the classic look of CH and the Paramount, nor what the Casino will look like if that's ever completed. There are strip malls in this country that have fine dining establishments and places like you've mentioned, but they are still strip malls. They are all over the Miami area. I honestly think that people are so weary from decades of neglect that the boardwalk experienced that people have lowered their expectations and are willing to accept any progress without question. Now we have a bandshell that probably doesn't have a future. How is that going to be resolved? I'm willing to bet that it doesn't get resolved, because people are being too seduced by what they perceive to be progress. Our city has also been lulled by the seduction, and they don't appear to have the balls to step up and do anything about it. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: How many strip malls have places like Hot Sand, LaPlaca and two dining establishments that look out onto a beautiful beach/surf. I take issue with that comment. I do agree, however, that the bandshell should have a future and it doesn't seem that way now. Dan S. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Unfortunately I'm at work and I can't turn it up load enough to hear the response. What does it say? It sounds to me like they aren't answering the question Werner posed. Meanwhile, while we're all praising MM for the amazing job they've done, that very praise is going to overshadow the fact that MM went way past what was supposed to be done and basically destroyed the 5th Ave. pavilion. Now it's a strip mall with expensive dining. No bandshell. We might as well kiss the bandshell goodbye, because I really don't see MM removing the heating and A/C units. And there is no way on earth that the one next to the stage can be concealed or silenced in any way to make performances up there possible. Once again. our city drops the ball and let's the developers do whatever they want. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I'm wondering why this isn't more of an uproar about the current situation with the bandshell. Actually, if you click here http://www.asburyra dio.com/audio/ PublicComment070 208_007.mp3 and FF to 12:18, I think you'll find the response to Werner's very articulate and well-founded question regarding the bandshell to be quite uproarious - in a Marxian sort of way. (That's in every contract. That's what they call a sanity clause. - Ha! You can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Claus.) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
I was thinking more in terms of look then in content. I'd like to be proven wrong. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but respect for all the retailers that have opened on our boardwalk. I guess the problem for me is that I'm not easily seduced by the redevelopment. I will always agree that it looks better, but the direction that the content of the redevelopment has taken does little for me. When I see our boardwalk, I remember the AP of my childhood, as well as all the boardwalks i've seen throughout my life. There's none of that wonder and excitement on our boardwalk for me. None of the sights, sounds or smells. I just see high priced retail, $68 tee shirts and $70 shorts. I don't go to the boardwalk for things like that. And I also think that the traffic we are starting to see would be dramatically bigger if tourism was the focus, not retail. I respect other peoples joy over where we are at, but I'm sorry, it does nothing for me. It's just not what I hoped for, and no matter how hard I try I can't even force myself to like it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, It is not a strip mall...yet. Currently you have mom pop retailers. Many are residents of Asbury who want to aid in the rebuilding and have taken risks to create these specility shops. With that being said, who else would open up stores on the boardwalk/ This is truely the first summer the boradwalk has a direction and it was very late in opening. Retail works in a cycles. You will have the mom pop stores and as they build customers, the retail giants then move in. Rents go up and the mom pops leave. You see this happen all over. If I do recall, MM did mention J Crew as a retailer when they were proposing the boardwalk rebuild. Time will tell. - Original Message From: Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:12:26 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR. I'm sorry that you take issue with my comment, but to me, the 5th Ave. pavilion currently looks like a strip mall. Does it look better yes, but I think it's been ruined. To me, it looks throw together, and not faithfully restored according to the plan. It doesn't even fit into the classic look of CH and the Paramount, nor what the Casino will look like if that's ever completed. There are strip malls in this country that have fine dining establishments and places like you've mentioned, but they are still strip malls. They are all over the Miami area. I honestly think that people are so weary from decades of neglect that the boardwalk experienced that people have lowered their expectations and are willing to accept any progress without question. Now we have a bandshell that probably doesn't have a future. How is that going to be resolved? I'm willing to bet that it doesn't get resolved, because people are being too seduced by what they perceive to be progress. Our city has also been lulled by the seduction, and they don't appear to have the balls to step up and do anything about it. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: How many strip malls have places like Hot Sand, LaPlaca and two dining establishments that look out onto a beautiful beach/surf. I take issue with that comment. I do agree, however, that the bandshell should have a future and it doesn't seem that way now. Dan S. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Unfortunately I'm at work and I can't turn it up load enough to hear the response. What does it say? It sounds to me like they aren't answering the question Werner posed. Meanwhile, while we're all praising MM for the amazing job they've done, that very praise is going to overshadow the fact that MM went way past what was supposed to be done and basically destroyed the 5th Ave. pavilion. Now it's a strip mall with expensive dining. No bandshell. We might as well kiss the bandshell goodbye, because I really don't see MM removing the heating and A/C units. And there is no way on earth that the one next to the stage can be concealed or silenced in any way to make performances up there possible. Once again. our city drops the ball and let's the developers do whatever they want. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, sandpiper15 sandpiper15@ wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I'm wondering why this isn't more of an uproar about the current situation with the bandshell. Actually, if you click here http://www.asburyra dio.com/audio/ PublicComment070 208_007.mp3 and FF to 12:18, I think you'll find the response to Werner's very articulate and well-founded question regarding the bandshell
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
Dan, I just want our grand old boardwalk back that gives equal time to entertainment for familes and children. Just like on the inside covers of the Helen Pike book. I miss the crackle of shooting galleries, I miss the ionized air smell of bumper cars and the sweet scent of cotton candy and taffy being made. I miss the screams of children on roller coasters. I miss the view from the top of a ferris wheel. I really miss skee ball. I've seen things that look exactly like what our pavillions are becoming all over this country, from California to Miami...but this isn't California or Miami, it's Asbury Park. Maybe MM is creating a new identity for AP, but that identity has already been taken scores of other times. We already had unique, and that unique has been squandered and ignored. And I can honestly say that if MM would've looked to the past instead of the future, and preserved and brought back the look and feel of the boardwalk as it was in it's heyday, then we would've had unique in our homogenized landscape. Once again, it's just me talking, reflecting on my values, likes and dislikes. Other people love what is happening. I just can't fake that, which is why i'm being so critical. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, I am curious what type of shops should be in the pavillions so they aren't a strip mall? Also, who knows if Gary is telling the truth but if you read the article in the tri city news he does not want to bring in big retailers because he realizes that is not what the boardwalk is about and would not create a UNIQUE destination. So far i think they have done a decent job in the unique department. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: Jack, It is not a strip mall...yet. Currently you have mom pop retailers. Many are residents of Asbury who want to aid in the rebuilding and have taken risks to create these specility shops. With that being said, who else would open up stores on the boardwalk/ This is truely the first summer the boradwalk has a direction and it was very late in opening. Retail works in a cycles. You will have the mom pop stores and as they build customers, the retail giants then move in. Rents go up and the mom pops leave. You see this happen all over. If I do recall, MM did mention J Crew as a retailer when they were proposing the boardwalk rebuild. Time will tell. - Original Message From: Jack Pitzer hinge98@ To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:12:26 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR. I'm sorry that you take issue with my comment, but to me, the 5th Ave. pavilion currently looks like a strip mall. Does it look better yes, but I think it's been ruined. To me, it looks throw together, and not faithfully restored according to the plan. It doesn't even fit into the classic look of CH and the Paramount, nor what the Casino will look like if that's ever completed. There are strip malls in this country that have fine dining establishments and places like you've mentioned, but they are still strip malls. They are all over the Miami area. I honestly think that people are so weary from decades of neglect that the boardwalk experienced that people have lowered their expectations and are willing to accept any progress without question. Now we have a bandshell that probably doesn't have a future. How is that going to be resolved? I'm willing to bet that it doesn't get resolved, because people are being too seduced by what they perceive to be progress. Our city has also been lulled by the seduction, and they don't appear to have the balls to step up and do anything about it. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: How many strip malls have places like Hot Sand, LaPlaca and two dining establishments that look out onto a beautiful beach/surf. I take issue with that comment. I do agree, however, that the bandshell should have a future and it doesn't seem that way now. Dan S. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Unfortunately I'm at work and I can't turn it up load enough to hear the response. What does it say? It sounds to me like they aren't answering the question Werner posed. Meanwhile, while we're all praising MM for the amazing job they've done, that very praise is going to overshadow the fact that MM went way past what was supposed to be done and basically destroyed the 5th Ave. pavilion. Now it's a strip mall with expensive dining. No bandshell. We might as well kiss the bandshell goodbye, because I really don't see MM removing the heating and A/C units. And there is no way on earth that the one next
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
Jack, I understand your point and don't disagree with your desire for something of wonder and excitement. However, those other boarkwalks have been done or are in point pleasant for example. I think our boardwalk is moving towards a music oriented boardwalk with lots of variety for adults. They aren't gearing it for kids and i think that is a purposeful choice. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking more in terms of look then in content. I'd like to be proven wrong. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but respect for all the retailers that have opened on our boardwalk. I guess the problem for me is that I'm not easily seduced by the redevelopment. I will always agree that it looks better, but the direction that the content of the redevelopment has taken does little for me. When I see our boardwalk, I remember the AP of my childhood, as well as all the boardwalks i've seen throughout my life. There's none of that wonder and excitement on our boardwalk for me. None of the sights, sounds or smells. I just see high priced retail, $68 tee shirts and $70 shorts. I don't go to the boardwalk for things like that. And I also think that the traffic we are starting to see would be dramatically bigger if tourism was the focus, not retail. I respect other peoples joy over where we are at, but I'm sorry, it does nothing for me. It's just not what I hoped for, and no matter how hard I try I can't even force myself to like it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: Jack, It is not a strip mall...yet. Currently you have mom pop retailers. Many are residents of Asbury who want to aid in the rebuilding and have taken risks to create these specility shops. With that being said, who else would open up stores on the boardwalk/ This is truely the first summer the boradwalk has a direction and it was very late in opening. Retail works in a cycles. You will have the mom pop stores and as they build customers, the retail giants then move in. Rents go up and the mom pops leave. You see this happen all over. If I do recall, MM did mention J Crew as a retailer when they were proposing the boardwalk rebuild. Time will tell. - Original Message From: Jack Pitzer hinge98@ To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:12:26 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR. I'm sorry that you take issue with my comment, but to me, the 5th Ave. pavilion currently looks like a strip mall. Does it look better yes, but I think it's been ruined. To me, it looks throw together, and not faithfully restored according to the plan. It doesn't even fit into the classic look of CH and the Paramount, nor what the Casino will look like if that's ever completed. There are strip malls in this country that have fine dining establishments and places like you've mentioned, but they are still strip malls. They are all over the Miami area. I honestly think that people are so weary from decades of neglect that the boardwalk experienced that people have lowered their expectations and are willing to accept any progress without question. Now we have a bandshell that probably doesn't have a future. How is that going to be resolved? I'm willing to bet that it doesn't get resolved, because people are being too seduced by what they perceive to be progress. Our city has also been lulled by the seduction, and they don't appear to have the balls to step up and do anything about it. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, dsher4 dsher4@ wrote: How many strip malls have places like Hot Sand, LaPlaca and two dining establishments that look out onto a beautiful beach/surf. I take issue with that comment. I do agree, however, that the bandshell should have a future and it doesn't seem that way now. Dan S. --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: Unfortunately I'm at work and I can't turn it up load enough to hear the response. What does it say? It sounds to me like they aren't answering the question Werner posed. Meanwhile, while we're all praising MM for the amazing job they've done, that very praise is going to overshadow the fact that MM went way past what was supposed to be done and basically destroyed the 5th Ave. pavilion. Now it's a strip mall with expensive dining. No bandshell. We might as well kiss the bandshell goodbye, because I really don't see MM removing the heating and A/C units. And there is no way on earth that the one next to the stage can be concealed or silenced in any way to make performances up there possible. Once again. our city drops the ball and let's the developers do whatever they want
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
I can't disagree with that Dan. But, I guess I'm not one of those adults, and I doubt the musical direction things we'll be taking are much to my taste either. If it was more Asbury Lanes/The Saint, i'd be psyched, but I think we're heading in a more conservative musical direction. I'm not a fan of the Jazz Lobsters or P-Dub assassins. I like my music to be a bit more edgy and modern. Original. I don't like shopping. I like to be around history. Funny thing is, I don't like Pt. or Seaside either. Both are kinda trashy in my opinion. Bottom line is that many people are going to love the new AP. I'm just not one of them. I have more fun wandering around Ocean Grove on my bicycle these days. To me, a good time is riding my bike around the tent city in the early evening. There's something about that that just does it for me. I am trying the best I can to find something I like about the boardwalk redev, but I just can't fake it. I'd rather hang out with Jonnie G at his little vending truck then browse thru a store with overpriced clothing. I can do that any day, but I'm not going to waste my time at the beach doing so. And honestly, i'm happy that so many other people are satisfied with the direction that things are going in. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dsher4 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack, I understand your point and don't disagree with your desire for something of wonder and excitement. However, those other boarkwalks have been done or are in point pleasant for example. I think our boardwalk is moving towards a music oriented boardwalk with lots of variety for adults. They aren't gearing it for kids and i think that is a purposeful choice. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I was thinking more in terms of look then in content. I'd like to be proven wrong. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing but respect for all the retailers that have opened on our boardwalk. I guess the problem for me is that I'm not easily seduced by the redevelopment. I will always agree that it looks better, but the direction that the content of the redevelopment has taken does little for me. When I see our boardwalk, I remember the AP of my childhood, as well as all the boardwalks i've seen throughout my life. There's none of that wonder and excitement on our boardwalk for me. None of the sights, sounds or smells. I just see high priced retail, $68 tee shirts and $70 shorts. I don't go to the boardwalk for things like that. And I also think that the traffic we are starting to see would be dramatically bigger if tourism was the focus, not retail. I respect other peoples joy over where we are at, but I'm sorry, it does nothing for me. It's just not what I hoped for, and no matter how hard I try I can't even force myself to like it. --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Allan Peterson nnjallans1@ wrote: Jack, It is not a strip mall...yet. Currently you have mom pop retailers. Many are residents of Asbury who want to aid in the rebuilding and have taken risks to create these specility shops. With that being said, who else would open up stores on the boardwalk/ This is truely the first summer the boradwalk has a direction and it was very late in opening. Retail works in a cycles. You will have the mom pop stores and as they build customers, the retail giants then move in. Rents go up and the mom pops leave. You see this happen all over. If I do recall, MM did mention J Crew as a retailer when they were proposing the boardwalk rebuild. Time will tell. - Original Message From: Jack Pitzer hinge98@ To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:12:26 PM Subject: [AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR. I'm sorry that you take issue with my comment, but to me, the 5th Ave. pavilion currently looks like a strip mall. Does it look better yes, but I think it's been ruined. To me, it looks throw together, and not faithfully restored according to the plan. It doesn't even fit into the classic look of CH and the Paramount, nor what the Casino will look like if that's ever completed. There are strip malls in this country that have fine dining establishments and places like you've mentioned, but they are still strip malls. They are all over the Miami area. I honestly think that people are so weary from decades of neglect that the boardwalk experienced that people have lowered their expectations and are willing to accept any progress without question. Now we have a bandshell that probably doesn't have a future. How is that going to be resolved? I'm willing to bet that it doesn't get resolved, because people are being too seduced by what they perceive to be progress. Our city has also been lulled
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
--- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't disagree with that Dan. But, I guess I'm not one of those adults, and I doubt the musical direction things we'll be taking are much to my taste either. If it was more Asbury Lanes/The Saint, i'd be psyched, but I think we're heading in a more conservative musical direction. I'm not a fan of the Jazz Lobsters or P-Dub assassins. I like my music to be a bit more edgy and modern. Original. I don't like shopping. I like to be around history. Funny thing is, I don't like Pt. or Seaside either. Both are kinda trashy in my opinion. Bottom line is that many people are going to love the new AP. I'm just not one of them. I have more fun wandering around Ocean Grove on my bicycle these days. To me, a good time is riding my bike around the tent city in the early evening. There's something about that that just does it for me. I am trying the best I can to find something I like about the boardwalk redev, but I just can't fake it. I'd rather hang out with Jonnie G at his little vending truck then browse thru a store with overpriced clothing. I can do that any day, but I'm not going to waste my time at the beach doing so. And honestly, i'm happy that so many other people are satisfied with the direction that things are going in. -- Jack, what i am taking from your posts is that there is still quite a bit you like in town, but you are not excited about the boardwalk. taking into account all of the things you wish were different, I would imagine that AP still has certain unique and desirable attributes you desirearchitectural elements such as convention hall, music venues such as the the saint and the lanes, family businesses such as Johhny G, proximaty to NYC and interesting communitites such as OG. is there another community that has this much authenticity in the area.even though it is being watered down to a certain extent it is still here in a big way. everytime a bring someone into the city that has not been here they are blown away by how different it is than anywhere esle they have ever been. John Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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John, I think you hit the nail on the head for me. What I still love about AP is Cookman Ave, and the entire area surrounding it. It still retains the AP authenticity that I grew up with. But, for me, it's not just about being sentimental. It's more about uniqueness and diversity. I've traveled extensively, both in this country and abroad, and what I find happening here in America is that too many places are losing their identity to redevelopment that isn't done with a sense of place or history. There are so many places in this country that are cookie cutter exactly the same. When I used to tour in the music biz, i recall waking up in my tour bus and being confused because I knew we just drove 600 miles overnight, but the view out the window was virtually the same as the place we just left. That observation was repeated over and over. But there is unique here in America. Places like Lawrence Kansas, Seattle, Madison Wisconsin, much of NYC to name a few. When I look at our current boardwalk, I see the beautiful CH/Paramount on one end, and the ghost of The Casino on the other. But in between, I see pedestrian boring architecture that reminds me of strip malls. Maybe not typical NJ strip malls, but no different then what overpopulates places like Miami. I really don't think the middle redeveloped section of the boardwalk fits in with the end pieces. I think the pavilion that MM and AP Partners has their offices in to be a complete waste of space. I understand that there's a cat haven above the MM offices, but does that really belong in a boardwalk pavilion? Not in my opinion. I really dislike the shipping containers, despite what goodies live inside them, and I really hate that one of them is crowding Madam Maries. And, unfortunately for me, I grew up here, so I still have a memory of what once was, from the Swan boats, to the amazing movie theaters, to the Metropolitain to riding the Ferris Wheel in the Palace. I just can't find that feeling in what we have now. Eventually, we'll probably have condos filling the empty lots. Some people love that because of the $ they can generate, but i'm not really all about money. It's all old news though. I think we lost too much of our uniqueness and it's never coming back, at least as far as the boardwalk goes. As i've said, some people will love it, and I suspect those people kinda like being in familiar surroundings no matter where they are. Like my friends that insist on eating McDonalds when they travel abroad instead of delving into local cuisine (which is quite prevalent in the rock touring world) --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, nobepeymay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, Jack Pitzer hinge98@ wrote: I can't disagree with that Dan. But, I guess I'm not one of those adults, and I doubt the musical direction things we'll be taking are much to my taste either. If it was more Asbury Lanes/The Saint, i'd be psyched, but I think we're heading in a more conservative musical direction. I'm not a fan of the Jazz Lobsters or P-Dub assassins. I like my music to be a bit more edgy and modern. Original. I don't like shopping. I like to be around history. Funny thing is, I don't like Pt. or Seaside either. Both are kinda trashy in my opinion. Bottom line is that many people are going to love the new AP. I'm just not one of them. I have more fun wandering around Ocean Grove on my bicycle these days. To me, a good time is riding my bike around the tent city in the early evening. There's something about that that just does it for me. I am trying the best I can to find something I like about the boardwalk redev, but I just can't fake it. I'd rather hang out with Jonnie G at his little vending truck then browse thru a store with overpriced clothing. I can do that any day, but I'm not going to waste my time at the beach doing so. And honestly, i'm happy that so many other people are satisfied with the direction that things are going in. -- Jack, what i am taking from your posts is that there is still quite a bit you like in town, but you are not excited about the boardwalk. taking into account all of the things you wish were different, I would imagine that AP still has certain unique and desirable attributes you desirearchitectural elements such as convention hall, music venues such as the the saint and the lanes, family businesses such as Johhny G, proximaty to NYC and interesting communitites such as OG. is there another community that has this much authenticity in the area.even though it is being watered down to a certain extent it is still here in a big way. everytime a bring someone into the city that has not been here they are blown away by how different it is than anywhere esle they have ever been. John
[AsburyPark] Re: Help Need with ReVision's productions of HAIR.
Hi David, I wish that I was a neighbor! I would be there to help. (I spent an hour this morning looking at realty listings.) Can you explain to the group how the seating is being planned? I am very interested in how you are going to pull this off. And... if MM hasn't requested a site inspection of that Parking lot (the main reason that most of the lots are closed), you might want to encourage them to get them ready for inspection and make the request, people will want to park. Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, davidleidholdt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Neighbors, As you may have heard ReVision Theatre is doing HAIR in the Carousel House on the board walk in Asbury Park. This it is going to be an amazing event. We are in need of assistance in several different departments. It's great way to get involved. 1. I am searching for volunteers with general office help and box office, running errands. 2.Help with the load in and out of set and lights for the week of August 11th and after the 31st. 3. We have a few paid positions for the run of the show; follow spot and running crew, ext. 4. Looking for short term housing for Actors and Directors. 5. Buying tickets - www.revisiotheatre.org - seating limited! If you or someone you know can help or has available housing please contact David at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace, Love, Freedom, and Happiness! David Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thanks for asking about our production. What makes the ReVision Theatre unique is what our name implies. When you see a ReVision Theatre production you will be seeing a show that you will not be able to see anywhere else. We put our unique stamp on everything we do. Anyone who saw HELLO, DOLLY! knows that is true. We were attracted to producing HAIR in the Carousel building because we knew the space would add to our unique vision. You will see HAIR from a new point a view and that includes the seating. To understand and experience what we mean, you'll have to buy a ticket. And speaking of tickets...they are selling at an amazingly brisk pace so you better hurry and purchase your tickets now or you'll miss it! Tom The ReVision Theatre --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, dapawprint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi David, I wish that I was a neighbor! I would be there to help. (I spent an hour this morning looking at realty listings.) Can you explain to the group how the seating is being planned? I am very interested in how you are going to pull this off. And... if MM hasn't requested a site inspection of that Parking lot (the main reason that most of the lots are closed), you might want to encourage them to get them ready for inspection and make the request, people will want to park. Glenn --- In AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com, davidleidholdt david@ wrote: Dear Neighbors, As you may have heard ReVision Theatre is doing HAIR in the Carousel House on the board walk in Asbury Park. This it is going to be an amazing event. We are in need of assistance in several different departments. It's great way to get involved. 1. I am searching for volunteers with general office help and box office, running errands. 2.Help with the load in and out of set and lights for the week of August 11th and after the 31st. 3. We have a few paid positions for the run of the show; follow spot and running crew, ext. 4. Looking for short term housing for Actors and Directors. 5. Buying tickets - www.revisiotheatre.org - seating limited! If you or someone you know can help or has available housing please contact David at: David@ Peace, Love, Freedom, and Happiness! David Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
