Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! Yeah, many games suffers this sadly, to be fair most of these. I don't care if music, sound effects or story mode is epic when gameplay is not and this is I'm not playing many audio games. From my observations many developers are charging users with huge amount of cash (30-40 dollars?) for something what is not worth it totally. I'm not saying this as someone who wants something for free, no, I love to support many creative ideas and games (backed many campaigns in the past) but Psycho strike for example was 30 USD and I don't feel paying for something what sounds and looks like a total mess. Game needs to have good concept and after that good mechanics where this game is the best example of good concept but bad execution. I'm still surprised how many developers we have here and there's still huge gab between video and audio games. Marketing and financial cases is important but creativity and being ambitious is differend. I saw too much in my li fe to think like "We can't, cash is a problem, lack of resources...) bla bla. Every single argument can be good in the situation where someone needs to explain something.Where the fantastic brawlers are? ull of great mechanics maybe simple but good? many types of attacks, characters to choose? differend stages layouts, breakables around? bosses? or games in style of medroid, with complex stages, puzzles and strategies? Actually there are many more missing and even 20 years ago these games did the job just fantastic and maybe this is why many games from the past are being remastered, restarted or ported to the new OS etc.Okay, enough I think, sorry for the offtopic. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284811#p284811 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
2016-10-31
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : pulseman45 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! @Lirin: That's good you mentionned Psycho Strike, because to me it is the perfect exemple of a game that has much to learn from 80s beat them all games, especially Double Dragon and Final Fight. Because from what I've heard of this game there are no hit-stun, no recovery time on the knife, no throws, no way to knock an opponent down without killing him and as a result, a chaotic mess.All the things you mentionned makes me sad to think that Perilous Hearts was abandoned. This game featured very good audio along with interactions you rarely see, even in mainstream videogames. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284801#p284801 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
2016-10-31
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : pulseman45 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! @Lirin: That's good you mentionned Psycho Strike, because to me it is the perfect exemple of a game that as much to learn from 80s beat them all games, especially Double Dragon and Final Fight. Because from what I've heard of this game there are no hit-stun, no recovery time on the knife, no throws, no way to knock an opponent down without killing him and as a result, a chaotic mess.All the things you mentionned makes me sad to think that Perilous Hearts was abandoned. This game featured very good audio along with interactions you rarely see, even in mainstream videogames. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284801#p284801 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
2016-10-31
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Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! @Lirin: That's good you mentionned Psycho Strike, because to me it is the perfect exemple of a game that as much to learn from 80s beat them all games, especially Double Dragon and Final Fight. Because from what I've heard of this game there are no hit-stun, no recovery time on the knife, no throws, no way to knock an opponent down without killing him and as a result, a chaotic mess.All the things you mentionned makes me sad to think that Perillous Heart was abandoned. This game featured very good audio along with interactions you rarely see, even in mainstream videogames. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284801#p284801 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
2016-10-31
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Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! @Lirin: That's good you mentionned Psycho Strike, because to me it is the perfect exemple of a game that as much to learn from 80s beat them all games, especially Double Dragon and Final Fight. Because from what I've heard of this game there are no hit-stun, no recovery time on the knife, no throws, no way to knock an opponent down without killing him and as a result, a chaotic mess.All the things you mentionned makes me sad when I think that Perillous Heart was abandoned. This game featured very good audio along with interactions you rarely see, even in mainstream videogames. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284801#p284801 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
2016-10-31
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : pulseman45 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! @Lirin: That's good you mentionned Psycho Strike, because to me it is the perfect exemple of a game that as much to learn from 80s beat them all games, especially Double Dragon and Final Fight. Because from what I've heard of this game there are no hit-stun, no recovery time on the knife, no trhows, no way to knock an opponent down without killing him and as a result, a chaotic mess.All the things you mentionned makes me sad when I think that Perillous Heart was abandoned. This game featured very good audio along with interactions you rarely see, even in mainstream videogames. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284801#p284801 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! Dark, a few things.First and foremost, the link to the Manamon walkthrough - which I admittedly haven't touched in over a month now - is in my signature. Currently hosting it on dropbox.Second, that's precisely my point. I knew manamon was a pokemon clone, but I still bought it, played it and had fun with it. And that's also why I said what I said earlier about the comparisons. If you want a very pokemon-like experience, play manamon; if you don't like pokemon, manamon probably won't do it for you either.Third, I'm not necessarily suggesting that manamon be made more and more like pokemon. At best, I'm suggesting that manamon needs more things to make it a better game. There is no competitive metagame for two reasons (the connectivity issue, for one, and the very, very limited movepools and viable manamon, for another). Aaron could improve this exponentially by allowing teachable moves, which would at least vastly change who was good at what. He could also change it by tweaking his online functionality/springing for a server. As I understand it, servers don't exactly cost hundreds of dollars a month, and he's sold dozens, maybe even hundreds, of copies of this game, so I daresay he could probably afford a small server. Indeed, he's hosting the game already, and you can sometimes download manamon gifts from there, so this could be something he invests in if he wanted to.Maybe I should send him the file I made, that has like 96 new manamon in it, see if any of those make the cut for a possible manamon 2. I'd love to get in on the ground floor of such a project, and act as the so-called voice of reason, balance-wise. It's where I'm best as a prospective game developer. In any case, all talk of clonelike behaviour aside, manamon isn't busted, it's not something that should be universally panned because it's a clone. That knowledge should do little more tha n inform your course on which way you wish to take going forward as a player/potential customer. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284773#p284773 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! Well, at this point I must agree with Jayde. I don't know if you are playing mainstream, video games but for sure you played Pokemon so it shows your point of view based on what you played before. If Manaom 2 will be out someday, and if it will be somewhat the same without any further improvements probably I'll be the next person who will skip it. Why? Well, Manamon is for sure something new on our scene something fresh and good but still it lack many things in comparison with video games (yeah, I know it's not the same market etc etc what I hear many times before what makes things a bit complicated as it looks like no matter what someone will develop, many people just buy it as their want to play something) but what I want to say is audio gaming scene needs to go forward a LOT. Maybe it's a bit offtop but the truth is we are still somewhere between 80s and 90s with not full potential of these years. I remember when my friend played something on NES and I know, it's 8-bit console, but the game deliverred a LOT in terms of gameplay, possibilities and music for example, what was really hard to make using these chips in these years but sill it sounded ust epic even if it was 8-bit, not something like orchestral or realistic.manamon did the job and I'm happy there are games like this and I hope there will be much better. To be fair, after Paladin of the sky I thought their next game will be something ground breaking but it was just really bad, boring game with full of potential things ust badly created, I mean Psycho strike. Next? the gate. An horror adventure game? seriously? the sound design was just bad, no horror elements (well, just for me) and there wan't anything adventure related. Manamon showed me it's finally something, something much better and for now it's hard to tel what their next game will be like.Some from you can ask why I'm so fascinated about games like BK or Shadow line, t he answer is easy: Becausenot a price, I mean because it's free, I'm always supporting great job but what I mean is the content, original concept, mechanics and unique style. These examples can be comparised to mainstream games and when my friends saw I played Shadow line yesterday they said "[[wow]], it looks cool, like Final fantasy 4 or 5) it's something what makes me happy as I can see how it's moving forward.No offense to anyone, just my opinion, that's it. Noone needs to agree with me and I will respect everyone's opinion after all. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284768#p284768 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! Well jayde, one thing I do think is the next release from Vgstorm will likely be something of a step forward just based on their levels of progression from one game to another. I do not know precisely if I agree about your "lack of streamlined" and comparisons to pokemon, since to me such comparisons don't exactly matter as much if the game works and is playable on it's own merrits, and if indeed Vgstorm come out with a manamon Ii I personally will be looking more for things like a decent plot that keeps my interest, expanded mechanics, less grinding, more manamon and above all a better and more efficient online trading system if that is to be part of the game, rather than say whether or not the equipment does or does not resemble that of Pokemon. The question of clones of mainstream games is an interesting one in and of itself anyway. Since personally if a developer came out with a game where you played an amnesiac sword wielding hero, coul d gain and equip elementally charged magical metals onto items, had a story about a world where a distopean city was ruled by a large weapons company who were extracting life from the soul energy of the planet to create said powerful metals, and then had a soldier who was an experiment gone wrong who attempted to use alien cells to over power himself and take control of the planet's life energy (likely stabbing the healer character and killing her along the way), my comment would be a resounding "[[wow]]! this is a game I always wanted to play! or it's enough like one that I really don't care! about whether all the mechanics are replicated efficiently or not" .I suppose it's a difference of emphasis. Likely if I'd taken the time, sighted assistance and inherent frustration to play my way through the mainstream pokemon series I poss ibly would feel differently, though I will say even when I see attempts at audio recreations of mainstream games I am familiar with such as Mario or sonic I am all for the idea, and I'd love to see people get the same or similar experiences I've had with games like the metroid and mega man series. Btw, a textual guide to manamon would be good, is the link in the audiogames archive's manamon page to a current version? I'd be interested in knowing since I do plan to restart manamon when i've got a new computer and got finished with my doctorate and thus have the time and headspace to give it enough attention, plus, I'd like to obviously have links to manamon resources available on the database. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284749#p284749 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! All of those things are true, Dark, and I agree with you on all of them. But none of them actually demonstrates that manamon isn't just a pokemon clone. It can be all of the things you say it is, and still be a clone.I played the game multiple times and wrote a guide for it. If I really thought the game was despicable, I wouldn't have done so. It has its merits, to be sure. But calling it particularly original or inspired...maybe not so much. It's got a lot of weak points. Those weak points don't kill it, but they do need to be acknowledged, particularly if a sequel is ever to be attempted. I can tell you right now that if a similar-quality sequel comes out, I won't be purchasing it, not even at half the price. I would need to see a marked rise in overall development quality before I purchase anything else from VG Storm. I don't regret previous purchases - that's a touch childish - but I'm not going to shell out cash I don't reall y have on audio games which have a proven track record of not improving sufficiently with time and experience in the industry. Put another way, it's okay to make some rookie mistakes when you're a rookie, but the more you develop, the less that's apt to be tolerated. Aaron now knows, I hope, most of the shortcomings of manamon, both regarding originality and regarding quality/game balance. he also knows that he did a damn good job with sound design...I really can't fault anything here too heavily. So his goal here is one of two things, if manamon 2 is ever in the works. Either 1. depart enough from manamon and pokemon that comparisons hold less weight, or 2. embrace the comparisons, and make a much more streamlined, better-balanced product which makes the most of its clonelike behaviour and, in the process, destigmatizes that label. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284736#p284736 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! @jayde, this is I think one area where we just won't agree, since for me I don't particularly mind if the mechanics in manamon correspond to some pokemon games somewhere in one way or another, neither do I agree with you on the story.for me it's sufficient that the game has interesting mechanics, originally written descriptions, locations etc, and a story which, while not perhaps original in over all progression does at least have enough by way of twists to make it uncertain what location wil occur next or even what the ultimate motivation of the enemies is, indeed were the story just! about getting manamon badges then! I would agree on lack of originality, likewise for me, I enjoy the different manamon for their description and status and seeing what the attacks do, whether or not there is a direct pokemon correspondence or not. Heck story wise I found manamon more interesting than paladin of the skies simply because the standard of writing and construction of the world is more adult and logical. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284676#p284676 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
2016-10-30
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : keithwipf1 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! Well, I didn't and don't know how to hack.All I did to get the Manamon I needed was to run Manamon on on user account, leave it hosting, switch to another user account, connect to My waiting account with my hostname or computername, and switch back and forth between the two accounts until I got everything I needed. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284661#p284661 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! Well, I wasn't the one making those implications about the word "clone", but I'll address them now that you have.Let's be realistic here. The sound design in manamon is good. The game was quite stable when first released, and has only gotten better. The game balance is weird in some places, but in general did not require huge tweaks to make it playable. The game was beatable from launch, and has gotten minimally better in some areas thanks to a few in a long list of needed fixes.But it's a clone. The game story is not that inspired, not really, if you think about it. Stories involving an evil man being evil because evil is evil are a dime a dozen among the teen fanfic set. Stories involving going on a journey to be the very best are ripped straight from pokemon, and probably from other places as well. Game mechanics borrowed from or even copied from pokemon may be tight, interesting and playable, but that doesn't make them inspired. Some of the manamon themselves are quite well designed, but some...aren't. The very fact that only twenty or thirty of the nearly hundred and sixty manamon are competitively viable speaks to exactly how inspiring the game is. Shop lists are usually quite boring and uninteresting. Equipment isn't fleshed out. You can't teach manamon moves except by equipping them with specific gear, and even that list is very, very short. Manamon are often hamstrung by bad stats, uninspiring/uninteresting movesets or both.This game is not really original. It is basically dressing up pokemon, putting different names and creatures in it, tweaking the story a bit, and then charging forty bucks for it. Originality is when you take something unique and make it breathe. This game is fun, complex enough to keep interest, addictive and well put together, but original it is not.Thus, it's a clone even by your definition. When I use the word, I'm not being snide, I'm just being straightforward. How you take the term is your business, not mine, but even if we use your explanation, manamon qualifies.Paladin of the Sky wasn't a clone of anything. Busted as it was in some very big ways, it was at least an original concept. The things it borrowed, it borrowed from a distance.Ditto The Gate. So okay, horror-themed side-scroller borrowing from typical horror tropes. Nothing wrong with that really. It's not a clone of anything.But Manamon, sadly, borrows far, far too heavily from pokemon to be anything but a pokemon clone.I said many months ago that the differences between these two games would probably be enough to keep Aaron from being sued by Nintendo. I think that still holds, but I think if Nintendo did get wind of this, they could make a pretty big stink, and the stink alone might be enough to drive the game and even the VG Storm company under even if they couldn't successfully bring any legal action to bear . URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284637#p284637 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! @Jayde, The problem is the term "clone" is by it's nature nearly always a derogatory one when used of something, implying lack of originality in it's creation. I would never disagree that manamon borrows heavily from pokemon, but "clone", i.e something that is unoriginal or unenspired? that is the claim I take issue with here. For the same reason i also dont' necessarily agree about Manamon breaking pokemon mechanics being necessarily a bad thing, indeed in some matters I wish it did more (eg party experience). @keithwipf1, I'm sure if you hack your computer and mess about enough there is a way to get the trading to work with yourself, (heck you could just run the game on two computers), my issue however was more the design decision to make a highly clunky trading system which is not easy to use or communicate implicit for completion of the manapedia. Either trading should be made easier, eg, with a server 39;s list, or there should be an alternative way to get tradable manamon in the game, even as a post game extra or as a direct download from Vgstorm themselves. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284610#p284610 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
2016-10-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : keithwipf1 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! Well, you can also use eather another persons computername or you're own computername to connect with them, it doessn't have to be an ip.That's how I traded with my celf, and I did it with out internet. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284542#p284542 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! Dark,I'm not labelling manamon a clone as a means of dismissing it. I'm labelling it a clone because that's what it is. Observe the overwhelming list of similarities, and I'm just scratching the surface.1. Many attacks are ripped straight out of pokemon (Sing, Earthquake, Fly, Slam, Growl, just to name five right off the top of my head).2. Many more attacks are simple pallet-swaps of pokemon attacks (too numerous to list them all, but Stagnant Goo vs. String Shot, Sneer vs. Leer, Scratch vs. Claw Swipe, Torch vs. Flamethrower, Rock and Roll vs. Rollout, just to name five again, and there are many, many more)3. Most of the types are borrowed from pokemon (standard = normal, flame/fire, plant/grass, insect/bug, ice, dragon, steel, ghost, earth/ground, stone/rock, air/flying, poison, fighting) with only sound, undead, shadow, holy and magic being actually unique to manamon.4. The story type/journey type is the same. Wanting to be th e best, an adolescent goes on a journey of self-discovery, toppling an evil organization in the process and facing a number of powerful leaders in order to reach his goal.5. The battle type is essentially the same. Manamon uses six-on-six battles in a way that pokemon doesn't, and the sheer chaos that results is probably the reason why pokemon wisely stayed away from this. Otherwise though, the potential for having more than two types is a slight refresher, but even the term "super-effective damage" is ripped straight out of pokemon.6. The way you catch manamon is the same as the way you catch pokemon. There are mystical/mythical creatures in both games. Both games have strikingly similar item lists. Both games have a nearly identical afflictions list (except that in manamon, attract is basically replaced with horrify, and in manamon, being paralyzed does nothing to your speed stat, while being scorched is more deadly but doesn't cut your attack.< p>have I proved my point yet?I have played pokemon games, beaten almost ten of them with minimal sighted assistance, and I know what I'm talking about. The similarities are really quite staggering.I didn't buy this game because it's new under the sun. It isn't. I didn't buy this game because it was going to blow my head off as far as balancing and development goes. It hasn't, and I knew it wouldn't when I bought the thing. I bought it because I am, or at least was, quite the pokemon fan, and this was a pokemon clone I knew I could happily sink my teeth into. And I did. I had fun for a couple of months. I wrote a guide. I know more about the game than most players, I'd warrant. But I have no illusions. I was playing a pokemon clone, and that's why I enjoyed it. That's why I griped at the scaled battles, the Irroadium fight, and a couple of other mechanics I still don't much care for. The game is so, so pokemon-like, that when it occasionally throws a curve ball someplace, it's jarring.This does not mean manamon is a bad game. It's all up to taste. If you don't know whether it's worth buying, ask yourself if you want to play a pokemon clone. If you don't, then don't buy manamon. If you do, then you'll probably love it. Iffy balance questions aside, the game is really quite good, considering where it came from.I am not challenging anyone's right to enjoy the game. I am not trying to tear down VG Storm in the slightest. I'm just calling a spade a spade. When something looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and in almost every way imaginable behaves like a duck...well, comparisons to ducks are going to be made, and they're going to be accurate. Instead of trying ineffectually to rail against them, just accept them for what they are and enjoy the game. That's what I did. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284533#p284533 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
2016-10-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : pulseman45 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! A thing that is somewhat cool about Manamon is that it is available in a time during which we know Pokemon Sun and Moon won't be as easily playable as before, and Braillemon is coming to it's last update, which will supposedly be more glitchy than it could have been due to development difficulties, though it won't prevent me being happy when it finally comes. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284531#p284531 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
2016-10-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : pulseman45 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! A thing that is somewhat cool about Manamon is that it is available in a time during which we know Pokemon Sun and Moon won't be as easily playable as before, and Braillemon is coming to it's last update, which will supposedly be more glitchy than it could have been due to development difficulties, though that's clear I will be happy when it finally comes. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284531#p284531 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! @Lukas thanks for clearing up misconceptions about Bgt. I'm afraid I don't agree Jayde either that manamon is a direct clone, or that this is a bad thing, since A, pokemon is inaccessible anyway (playable perhaps but inaccessible certainly especially in it's descriptions, aesthetics and appearence), and b, even if manamon has some mechanics that are similar to some pokemon game, does that necessarily take away from manamon? If manamon had all of the pokemon names and story text and had indeed been an absolutely direct clone with no new ideas I'd agree it would be disappointing, but that's not what we have. This is however very much a matter of opinion though, and personally I don't find the similarities to pokemon bother me, indeed as I said the only things that really bother me especially about manamon are the enforced use of a clunky Ip trading system to gain full in game completion, and the unadulterated grinding required with no shared xp between party members.As for Ip Trading, while I do get that Vgstorm can't pay for and maintain a global server, they could at least allow checking for an online server list the way games like Crazy party do without one to one Ip sharing, that way at least people who didn't connect other way could trade with each other. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284523#p284523 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! Well, even though Jaide is probably right in many regards, Manamon still managed to capture even me, and persuade me to purchase it, which is having no experience with Pokemon or anime as such whatsoever. The game is so huge that I started following the text walk-through somewhere after the second stadium because I just don't have that much time to spend discovering everything for myself, but I got so hooked I really wanted to finish the game at least once. I don't care about completing the manapedia, that's something I'll probably never have enough time to do, but I just want to finish the story and discover every major feature and element of the game world. The game has already taken more than 24 hours according to my save file and I'm still only in the Tangeria tower.Let me clarify some of the BGT related misconceptions:1. Mouse support is in deed available, I believe it supports up to 8 buttons on a mouse.2. Gamepad support is certai nly possible as well, the only thing it misses is force feedback support, that's true.3. 3rd party libraries are supported to a limited extent. Basically, as long as the library does not return C structs as its output, which many audio libraries and none of the system API libraries do, you're all fine to use it.4. The IP direct connection mechanism is not a limitation of BGT itself. It's just that it would require the developer to pay for, set up, manage, and program a global server elsewhere, in a different language, one used for web and web app development.Just so that everyone knows. I don't like it when anyone just assumes the language is more limited than it actually is just because noone has yet fully utilized many of its features that are actually there. The only real limitations, in my opinion, are no support for graphics rendering and GUI composition at all, the limited 3rd party library support which can get in the way in a few cases, its availability and usage being limited only to Windows which someone might also find restricting even when using the language for its sole purpose of developing audiogames, and its being forcibly single-threaded which might perhaps also get in the way for someone. To be precise, it does use multiple threads internally but your script as such can only ever run in and manage just a single thread.By the way, Jungle Chess was actually written in C++ because Philip did consider the possibility of making it cross-platform if there was enough interest in that, which apparently hasn't been yet. :-) That doesn't mean it couldn't have been made in BGT in exactly the same way, though.Lukas URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284520#p284520 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
2016-10-29
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : pulseman45 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! The main difference in the cas of items is that equipment is a category on it's own in Manamon and not in Pokemon, but as Jayde said, Pokemon is actually better as far as equipable items go, and many other aspects. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284519#p284519 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! @Jayde, yeah, this is what I thought before. I watched as my friends played Pokemon series many times and I know Manamon is like a clone, well, I wasn't sure about that for sure but you explained it pretty well. I'm not familiar with Pokemon so can't say too much, I prefer totally differend anime style that this and just say, something like Steins gate, RAIBOW, Code geass can represent my style.On the other hand, I was really surprised how many attacks there are, or well, why so not that many I imagined before play? the same is about the items where I need to agree with you. There was not much of these during my playthrough so I used only a few.As I said, this is going in the right direction and I believe next games will learn a lot from the past. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284514#p284514 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! Just gonna chime in here real quick and dismiss one of the myths being flogged around in this thread.Pokemon does, absolutely does, have gear you can equip for effects. And it's a far cry from manamon's gear. I'll give a few examples:Leftovers: Restores 1/16 of your max HP every roundShell Bell: Restores some HP based on how much damage you doBerserk Gene: Raises attack by 1 stage when the pokemon appears, but confuses the pokemonEviolite: If the pokemon is not fully evolved, add an extra 50% to defense and special defenseFlame Orb: inflicts the burn status on the holderAir Balloon: makes the holder immune to ground-type attacks, but will pop (and be no longer usable) once the pokemon is hit with a physical movePlus a power-up hold item for every type. Yes, every type, not just a chosen few. And they're all equal.Let's also remember that in generation 3 and onward of pokemon, it is possible to swap held items or knock off a foe's held item. In gen 2, held items were introduced in the first place, and the move Thief could steal them. In gen 3, abilities were introduced for the first time, allowing for a great deal of potential depth. Example: Swellow, a normal-flying type, gets an ability called Guts, which sharply boosts its attack when burned, paralyzed or poisoned. Give Swellow a Toxic or Flame Orb, and suddenly you activate his Guts ability by force, jacking his attack through the roof.Also also, pokemon has berries. In earlier generations they're pretty primitive, but berries can be eaten when a pokemon is at low HP. One-time use items that do such things as restore HP, boost a given stat by one stage at a certain health threshold, make a super-effective attack do less damage one time only, restore the use points of a move that runs out of them, and cure status conditions. Berries are extremely common, and since they can in later generations be harvested a nd grown, it's common to see people equipping health or status-curing berries on pokemon for nonessential fights to help with passive healing and status protection, both of which obviously help in fights.Now, compare all of that to manamon's items. Okay, I'll grant you that a few of manamon's items aren't bad (Broomstick is neat, Gravity Magnet is downright abusable and I love it), but manamon can't even give us a straight-up bonus to x type of damage for all types. it picks and chooses which are worth the effort and which aren't.It also seriously underrepresents certain types. It also borrows many, many, many direct things in battle from pokemon. So yes, folks, it's a clone. It's not a clone in the sense that every single thing is just a ripoff. But it's damned close.The story is different? No, it really isn't. "I'm going on a journey to be the very best" is still what it boils down to. How y ou get there doesn't change the fact that the overall arc is the same. Aaron does throw a few curve balls though, so fine.Battle is different? Uh, if you consider a max of four types and a max of five moves different enough, then yeah, it's different. Otherwise? No, it's not. It's the same basic stat setup with a few minor tweaks. it even borrows most of its types directly from pokemon.So it's well put-together. The sound design is good, as is the music. The game takes awhile to finish and is very easy to get lost in. But let's remember that1. It's a pokemon clone, pure and simple,2. It is not, in fact, doing anything particularly new, and3. anything manamon does, pokemon does better, pretty much straight across the board, barring the first generation (and even that's debatable). URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284509#p284509 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! Well lirin, in terms of pokemon, I'm not as familiar with the games or world as some, however one thing to bare in mind for a start is pokemon isn't half as dark as manamon in it's story, indeed even the tv series was generally fairly fluffy where as manamon definitely isn't, and while some of the emotional dialogue can be a bit over done, the conflicts themselves are very real, indeed I did think the dialogue and story generally were a major leap forward from paladin of the skies. Indeed the hole tone is different, quite aside from manamon having a few things that I don't think pokemon games did, like equippable armor and weapons, indeed I don't think pokemon is half as heavy with the stats system generally. My miner problem with the game is I did find things a little too grindy in terms of experience, since you can only get xp for one manamon at a time, and even using the xp pal, only two. it would be far better if you earned party xp, and thus could level up manamon to try out different stratogies without spending hours at lower level areas killing the same enemies again and again just to level one of your more recently acquired manamon to the point where it matches your main group. Puppet nightmares actually does far better than this, with sharing the xp between all three soul puppets in your party, though admitedly as an online browser game a lot was avialable in puppet nightmares that wasn't in manamon.I also agree about making the online trading necessary to get specific manamon evolutions. While I don't think it's a Bgt issue, I do wonder if it's that unlike Blastbay Vgstorm couldn't fund their own private global server. That is fare enough, but if you are including something in a game which only some people will have access to, you shouldn't make it an essential part of progress, indeed when I restart my game in december I am a little worried about how I'll g et the morghoul evolution as well as get some of the starters, since I love the manamon collecting aspect but I don't know how well the hole Ip thing will work for me. I'd definitely like to see this fixed in an update, though as I understand I don't think Aaron has made many major version changes since the beginning which is a shame. Still, no game is perfect, but manamon definitely is pretty dam awesome either way even taking into account it's flaws. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284481#p284481 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! Yeah Dark and SLJ, it's just my opinion and I wanted to share it. Well, I never said it's a direct clone but well, my Pokeemon knowledge is not enough so probably you know more than me! And dark, I also thought about Jungle and the multi player there so yeah, it's not a BGT related thing, hope to see workaround soon as it's really frustrating way of transforming your manamons. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284424#p284424 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! Hi.I also really find Manamon worth playing. This is one of the best audiogames I ever have played, and I'm enjoying it so much...I also strongly disagree regarding the price. It have taken more than one year to make this huge game. the maps, the sounds, the music and all the manamons have taken so long time to create, so I'll say this is very much worth the price in my opinion. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284414#p284414 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! Well the joypad thing doesn't bother me, and to be honest lirin in a game like manamon which has little to no action I don't see it's a problem. i fully agree i wish online mode was fixed along with trading since the Ip trading is wy too clunky, which would be fine if it were just an extra for those who wanted, but to be crucial to evolution of some manamon is just not particularly fare, though i don't think this is due to Bgt since Jungle chess manages enough. About price I strongly disagree, the amount of time, the great music and the actually rather good story make this one worth it. Yes there are japanese games, but manamon can be played easily without all that translation copy text to clipboard stuff which a lot of people don't have time or trouble enough for or the correct software to run (I know one of the bk games is being trqanslated, and when it is I'd love to play it). Plus it's fairly clear what Vgstorm are doing with our money given quality of manamon with sounds, music, updates etc, indeed one reason i'm looking forward to getting a new computer is running manamon without bothering my wife.Oh and lastly, manamon is definitely enspired by pokemon, but certainly not a pokemon clone the way braillemon is, indeed braillemon is so close to pokemon it's hard to play if you don't! know the games. mnanamon has many differences, including equippable armour and items, a much different and darker world and story, different attack patterns etc. Siilar, definitely, indeed MAnamon is definitely enspired by! pokemon, but certainly not a direct clone in any sense.So to me, yes, manamon is owrth playing and I defintely intend to try finishing the game around christmas when I've finished my doctorate and have some free head space, not to mention a new computer to play it on, though I do wish Aaron would consider fixing the online trading or at least allow a differ ent way of getting some of the manamon evolutions. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284387#p284387 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! Regarding joy to key I know this app very well but what I wanted to say is no native support for the gamepads. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284383#p284383 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time!
2016-10-28
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AudioGames . net Forum — General Game Discussion : pulseman45 via Audiogames-reflector
Re: Manamon, worth playing or not? definitely worth the time! Regarding the whole Manamon vs. Braillemon debate, it should be noted that, as someone said in the Manamon thread, there are things you can easily miss in Braillemon if you are not familiarized to the keystrokes or certain features of Pokemon. Though from what I understood that was probably not a problem you had.Also, if you want to play Manamon with a gamepad, you may want to try JoyToKey. From what I understood, it let's you map keys from your keyboard to a controler, and it can be used for a specific application so no problem. One of my friends told me it is accessible but I never tried it myself so I can't confirm. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=284375#p284375 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
