[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Which DACs to use?
I have just hooked up my SB3 via digital optical cable to a Yamaha RX-V457 reciever (yeah, I know it's not the greatest but I use it to hook into my in-wall speakers that are in 6 rooms in my house) and I was wondering if I should use the DACs in the SB3 (which I assume means I pass the siganl directly to the speakers via Direct Stereo setting) or use the DACs in the Yamaha? -- phicar2 phicar2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2146 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20463 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Tweaked-SB2, some pictures
Michel I can send you copies of my messages if needed. Chris -- krzys krzys's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2256 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=15685 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Modifying the Squeezebox 3
I am seriously considering applying the analog mod (removing opamp, replacing caps, etc.). However, i'm curious, this probably has an effect on the headphone output? If I take the left/right straight from the DAC chip, the headphone output probably fails to function. Am I correct? -- Heimiko Heimiko's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3462 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19822 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Modifying the Squeezebox 3
Thanks for the reply. I would prefer leaving the headphone stage in tact, as my amp doesn't has a headphone-out. If I would leave the output stage in tact, but simply cut off the phono plugs, and take them directly to the DAC (with caps in between ofcorse) would I still have a major improvement? instead of grouding pin 9, i could use it for ground for the audio, which is in the specs for the pcm1748. The audio wouldn't pass the opamp anymore, but would it still influence the signal? since I also take ground away from it? any thoughts on this? -- Heimiko Heimiko's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3462 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19822 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Modifying the Squeezebox 3
Heimiko Wrote: I am seriously considering applying the analog mod (removing opamp, replacing caps, etc.). However, i'm curious, this probably has an effect on the headphone output? If I take the left/right straight from the DAC chip, the headphone output probably fails to function. Am I correct? Yes, you disable the headphone output by doing the analog mod. -- whistler whistler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3277 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19822 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best subwoofer for music under $1000?
Skunk wrote: pfarrell Wrote: If you want to believe that two sources is important for frequency reproduction of sounds below 40 Hz, I see no point in further discussion. I won't argue that. But do you cross your subs over at 40Hz? I have one sub. Crossed over about 45 or 50 hz. I haven't put a 'scope on it to verify the exact value. -- Pat Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aframedigital.com ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best subwoofer for music under $1000?
I was recently at a friend's house auditioning his Outlaw Audio LFM-1. This unit is rated flat to 25Hz. We listened to a variety of music and also to test tones. My friend had the subwoofer positioned behind and to the right of us. I believe he had it crossed-over at 80, or perhaps 100Hz. When he turned the volume up on the sub (while playing music), I could definitely percieve an increase in sound energy to my right and behind, not with pinpoint accuracy, but generally. Playing test tones was interesting. Unless they've heard a test disc, I don't think most people realize what a jarring experience it is to listen to a pure 25Hz tone. It's actually quite uncomfortable, physically. Furthermore, listening to the range of higher-frequency test tones revealed that I could change the apparent location of the source of sound by simply slightly rotating my head or moving forward or backward a few inches. I would offer the suggestion that any directionality one percieves from really low tones, like lowest notes on a pipe organ are due to the harmonics that are are accompaning it (and making it more palatable). I think that extended listening to a pure 16Hz tone without the accompaning harmonics would probably melt your brain, or at least drive you batty. -- jonheal Jon Heal says: Have a nice day! http://www.theheals.org/ jonheal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20197 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best subwoofer for music under $1000?
jonheal wrote: My friend had the subwoofer positioned behind and to the right of us. I believe he had it crossed-over at 80, or perhaps 100Hz. That is up in midrange area, so it isn't surprizing that you could locate it. Playing test tones was interesting. Unless they've heard a test disc, I don't think most people realize what a jarring experience it is to listen to a pure 25Hz tone. It's actually quite uncomfortable, physically. Right, down in the 20s, you feel it rather than hearing it. Many people have never heard clear tones under 30hz. Most people listen to music in cars over radio, sometimes even AM, which simply do not have any low frequency signal. The human ear is amazing, it can fill in signals that are not really there from the overtones. The classic example is a telephone, They are only 300hz to 3000hz. All the rest of the frequencies are added by our brains. I would offer the suggestion that any directionality one percieves from really low tones, like lowest notes on a pipe organ are due to the harmonics that are are accompaning it (and making it more palatable). I think that extended listening to a pure 16Hz tone without the accompaning harmonics would probably melt your brain, or at least drive you batty. Musical instruments are all about harmonics. That is what makes a guitar sound like a guitar, a trumpet sound like a trumpet, etc. Pure test tones are fairly rare, at least until Sean hacked the SqueezeBox to include a tone generator. The classic AR3A speaker was amazing, not because it was flat down below 40 hz, but rather because it got any low frequency sound out of a box that tiny. They were about 2 cubic feet, a foot by a foot by two feet high. That was tiny compared to serious speakers of the time. It did it using 'acoustic suspension' which required huge amounts of power to allow such a tiny box to go that low. Thirty years later, an AR3A would be considered a very large speaker. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Which DACs to use?
I am not trying to be clever, but should you use whichever sounds best to you? Look at it as follows. The DACs in both machines have to cost less than $100. If you had a high end Yamy Z9 or something the answer would be more obvious. An external DAC is also an upgrade option. For now, it must be pretty simple to do a A-B comparison between the analogue and digital outs and TELL US which sounds best?! R alex -- ajmitchell ajmitchell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=800 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20463 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Tweaked-SB2, some pictures
Michel Fombellida Wrote: Attached 2 pictures of some other components in my system. Michel I love your A/V rack! What are they called and where can I get `em? -- EnochLight EnochLight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3392 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=15685 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Tweaked-SB2, some pictures
krzys Wrote: Michel I can send you copies of my messages if needed. Chris Chris, you have a PM. Michel -- Michel Fombellida Michel Fombellida's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=15685 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Which DACs to use?
Well, unfortunately the reason I posted is becuase I tried to do just such a comparison and quite frankly was having a very hard time telling any difference. However, I didn't try every kid of music with all kinds of ranges (probably A B'd about 10 songs) so I was just wondering if someone else had some info that could steer me in the right direction. I will continue to try and compare and let you know what I think. But, I also willing to hear others opinions on the matter... -- phicar2 phicar2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2146 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20463 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Which DACs to use?
There's really no way to know, other than listening. But I doubt you're going to find much difference without an equipment upgrade. You might also try the digital coax output while you're experimenting. Some here have commented it sounds better than optical on their systems. Unfortunately, there's no one answer because there are so many variables, including (and perhaps most important) your own ears and your own listening environment. -- Kyle Kyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2541 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20463 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Recommended inexpensive Linear PSU Wallwart for SB3?
Hi AF Are you using the analogue out or spdif? Chris -- Chris OH Chris OH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1072 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19452 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Modifying the Squeezebox 3
I descided to just go with the flow; Threw away the opamp, removed some caps, and added some blackgate's. And I must say SO much improvement! all sharpness brightness is totally gone, much more detail overall. A recommendation for everyone. -- Heimiko Heimiko's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3462 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19822 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Which DACs to use?
phicar2 wrote: Well, unfortunately the reason I posted is becuase I tried to do just such a comparison and quite frankly was having a very hard time telling any difference. However, I didn't try every kid of music with all kinds of ranges (probably A B'd about 10 songs) so I was just wondering if someone else had some info that could steer me in the right direction. It is important to listen to pieces of music that you like and know well. And as much variety as you listen to normally. But if you can't tell a difference, then there isn't one. Buy what you like, then listen to music. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Which DACs to use?
Thanks guys! I will try the coax as well and see what I think sounds best...or I guess more importantly what my wife thinks sounds best :-) -- phicar2 phicar2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2146 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20463 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Recommended inexpensive Linear PSU Wallwart for SB3?
Chris OH spdif out into an Ack! dAck! 2.0 Bryston SP1.7 4B-SST PMC IB1 -- afblaster afblaster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1643 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19452 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best subwoofer for music under $1000?
I got the Dayton 10 today, and put it together. I must be lame, because it took me a few hours. Figuring out the spikes took about 30 minutes. Installing amp took at least 30 minutes, because the damn thing didn't mount completely flush. I finally settled for it not being perfect, but it is securely screwed down, and I put some silicone sealant to make sure no air leaks out. Cutting and placing the acoustic foam took another 30 minutes or so, but that was kind of fun! The instructions say to spray adhesive on the foam backing, but I didn't bother. It was snug enough, that I'm sure the foam won't be flopping around in there. Next, I mounted the driver, which is one serious S.O.B. It feels like a lead weight, which actually makes me confident that I made the right decision. Well, that was it. I'll be breaking it in over the next week in my home theater system to loosen it up, before I move it to my dedicated stereo setup. I must say that my first impressions are that it is well made, and feels like it should sound good, if that makes sense. Stay tuned... +---+ |Filename: dayton1.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=800| +---+ -- ezkcdude ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20197 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best subwoofer for music under $1000?
What's missing from this discussion is a sense of proportionality, not seeing the forest for the trees. We could go back and forth all day, for several days, about theoretical ideals while the practical realities dictate a different perspective. Unless one has an unlimited budget, we must make compromises when it comes to bass performance. By far the most influential factors on bass performance are room dimensions, and surfaces, and where the bass driver(s) reside in that room. Few of us have the freedom to create the ideal room,dimensionally or acoustically, or have unlimited options as to placement, so we immediately hobble ourselves with problems that have to be addressed if we are to experience satisfactory bass performance. Unless you're VERY lucky, there is virtually no chance that whatever sub you get will have reasonably flat response in the location(s) that you are limited to. Fortunately, there are products that address this problem that are reasonably priced, like the Behringer BFD, which solve more problems than they create by being able to lower nodes and smooth nulls. I'm sure there are some that will dispute THAT statement. As far as stereo subs are concerned, I would venture to say that there are precious few recordings where that would make so substantial a difference as to limit your enjoyment of them. Of course it would be an improvement but at a substantial expense and more complicated implementation. -- konut konut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1596 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20197 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best subwoofer for music under $1000?
Skunk Wrote: PS. Thanks for the pics ezkcdude, but no more por favor! I meant I wanted to see your veneer work, after seeing your DIY's, but didn't realize it was textured plastic this time. That's how the cabinet comes in the kit! Sheesh, you think I'd do that? Actually, it looks kind of cool in person. It's kind of like faux cast iron. In fact, it gave me a great idea for making veneer out of a thin sheet of cast iron. Not only would the look be unique, but it would seriously deaden the cabinet (if done correctly, of course). Skunk, just for you, here's another DIY set I built with birch veneer. +---+ |Filename: diy_home_montage.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=804| +---+ -- ezkcdude ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20197 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best subwoofer for music under $1000?
Yeah, I didn't really think that one out. Maybe I could find an old cast iron stove, and convert it into a subwoofer! And...no...that's an alarm clock. Those speakers (sadly) are at my parent's place in Cali. -- ezkcdude ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20197 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Best subwoofer for music under $1000?
Is that a SB2 on top of the left speaker? -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20197 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
