[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
pfarrell Wrote: Is the audiophile world that old? I think The Absolute Sound is only about 15 years old. Maybe a little older. I think the Audiophile world is MUCH older than that. Perhaps not the term itself, and of course the technologies being fussed about are changing all the time, but if you're interested in the history of this strange obsession you could try hunting down A Song of Reproduction. Flanders and Swann, 1950s. Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
pfarrell Wrote: Is the audiophile world that old? I think The Absolute Sound is only about 15 years old. Maybe a little older. The idea of high end was pretty much defined by TAS. In the 70s and 80s, stereo was more of a mass market, or at least widespread, everyone in college aimed for some serious speakers, be they AR-3As or Large Advents, or something more exotic like Quads or Dahlquists. The current audiophiles seem to love wandering off into religious discussions. The idea of spending $500 or $1000 on interconnects is beyond beyond my understanding. Why should TAS define audiophile, and why do you think being an audiophile is equivalent to buying expensive interconnects? Religious discussions are part of every xyz-phile hobby. It is part of the fun. I know specialist audiophile publications existed at least 25 years ago, since I have been an audiophile for 25 years. I was admittedly on a low budget initially, but that has nothing to do with being or not being an audiophile. Some of the highest quality recordings around were made in the 50's -and I guess the masterful people making these recordings were their time's audiophiles. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: enjoythemusic SB review
crooner Wrote: I definitely agree. The original power supply is more than adequate. Better put money in an outboard DAC or even interconnects. Adequate for what? Are you talking about usage in a $500 system, or a $50 000 system? What other source compenent will it be as good as, when adequate? How much noise is adequate for the power supply to dump into the mains supply? -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21175 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: AES/EBU Interface?
konut Wrote: As I'm not an engineer I tend to glean just enough information to look dangerous/ stupid. As I understand it the AES/EBU professional interface is more immune to jitter and reflections than SPDIF. As far as I can ascertain the data and timing information are kept separate yet contain essentially the same information of the SPDIF signal the only difference being the channel status bit in the subframe info differentiating the two protocols. Do I have this right? How difficult would it be to change the SPDIF connection to a AES/EBU interface? Is this even worth considering/discussing? As far as I know AES/EUB is essentially the same as S/PDIF, but using a balanced electrical interface. I.e, the timing information is part of the data stream, just like for S/PDIF. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21321 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: AES/EBU Interface?
Yes the formats are the same except for the electrical connection, and the channel status bit: spdif uses 75 Ohm coax (often terminated with non 75 Ohm RCA plugs) or optical. aes/ebu uses 110 Ohm balanced interconnect with xlr plugs. -- bludragon bludragon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1530 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21321 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + MF X-DAC v3?
Is it that important to get all three? I wasn't even assuming I needed to get the X-PSU but after reading the Sterophile review, I see they recommend it. That's adding a lot to the overall cost and I don't really have a high end setup - Yam RX-V4600 feeding Monitor Audio RS6's, so is it worth the extra cost? What price point should I be looking at to partner a 2-ch system that only cost £1500? To be fair, I haven't even listend to the SB3 in standard trim yet. :-\ -- sjalloq sjalloq's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4093 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + MF X-DAC v3?
Well, you could spend anything up to £1000 or more on a DAC, and it would most likely make a difference. The rest of my system totals less than yours and I ended up settling on the cyrus DAC-X some time after listening to the MF X-DAC V3 on its own. The main reason I went for the cyrus is its switchable inputs and relative insensitivity to the source compared to other things I tried. If I hadn't wanted switchable inputs I would most likely have gone for one of the chinese DAC's, e.g. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20789 and I still wonder if I should have taken that route, and combined it with a DIY input selector - could have even incorperated upsampling. -- bludragon bludragon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1530 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + MF X-DAC v3?
I did notice that thread thanks and I found an HK seller shipping directly to the UK for £280 delivered (+import tax I assume). The problem is the same as usual though in the fact that you can't easily compare the two without buying everything. Anyway, it's another option that I'll look into. (I must admit though, the MF trio with an SB3 would fill up the space in my AV rack quite nicely. :-) -- sjalloq sjalloq's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4093 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: enjoythemusic SB review
crooner said the following on 02/21/2006 04:58 AM: I definitely agree. The original power supply is more than adequate. Better put money in an outboard DAC or even interconnects. As P Floding says, adequate for what? Obviously, you're happy with your squeezebox. Great. I am too. However, that doesn't mean that the sound can't be improved. For example, I find that my tweaked Art DI/O DAC sounds better than the SB2 or SB3 analogue outs - but it's a fairly subtle difference. Some folk have found that using a linear PSU improves the sound on their systems. Do you have direct experience of this, i.e. have you tried one and found that you can't hear any difference? Or are you merely speculating? R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
P Floding wrote: pfarrell Wrote: Is the audiophile world that old? I think The Absolute Sound is only about 15 years old. Maybe a little older. Why should TAS define audiophile, They were the first to use the term high end Which is where mortals start to think of the term 'audiophile' The old normal stereo fans seem to have fallen away, moving to video or surround. From what I can see stereophile is the only US magazine still availble and alive. The mass market (mostly Japanese) receivers, turntables, and CD players of the late 70s drove the magazines to a all amps sound alike approach, which was bad for business and the hobby. The audiophile karma points out that they are not alike, and brought back tube amps, vinyl and other relics from the past. and why do you think being an audiophile is equivalent to buying expensive interconnects? Look at the advertisements in TAS, Stereophile, The Audiophile Voice and tell me what the magazines, and their advertisers think are defining lusts? being an audiophile. Some of the highest quality recordings around were made in the 50's -and I guess the masterful people making these recordings were their time's audiophiles. I agree that the 50s hi-fi hobby and 'stereo' that swept the colleges in the late 60s and 70s are the precursors to today's audiophiles. I don't think of audiophile as being a universal positive term. IMHO, too much attention is spent on 'gear' and not enough on the music. -- -- toc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.curmudgeon4.us/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Denon AVR-4806 with modified Squeeze Box???
Hi, I own a Denon AVR-4806 (THX® Ultra2 7.1 CH Reference A/V Surround Receiver: (http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/237.asp ) Here some spec's: AL24 Processing - All Channels AL24+ 24-bit/192-kHz DACs #8211; Burr-Brown PCM-1791 2/8ch 24-bit/192-kHz DACs - Analog Devices #8211; Analog-to-Digital Conversion - Bit Depth/Sampling Rate 24/192 I want to modifiy my SqueezeBox. Can someone recommend wich mod analog or digital would be the best for my Denon? Regards Shepardos -- Shepardos Shepardos's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4087 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21333 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
pfarrell Wrote: P Floding wrote: pfarrell Wrote: Is the audiophile world that old? I think The Absolute Sound is only about 15 years old. Maybe a little older. Why should TAS define audiophile, They were the first to use the term high end Which is where mortals start to think of the term 'audiophile' The old normal stereo fans seem to have fallen away, moving to video or surround. From what I can see stereophile is the only US magazine still availble and alive. The mass market (mostly Japanese) receivers, turntables, and CD players of the late 70s drove the magazines to a all amps sound alike approach, which was bad for business and the hobby. The audiophile karma points out that they are not alike, and brought back tube amps, vinyl and other relics from the past. and why do you think being an audiophile is equivalent to buying expensive interconnects? Look at the advertisements in TAS, Stereophile, The Audiophile Voice and tell me what the magazines, and their advertisers think are defining lusts? being an audiophile. Some of the highest quality recordings around were made in the 50's -and I guess the masterful people making these recordings were their time's audiophiles. I agree that the 50s hi-fi hobby and 'stereo' that swept the colleges in the late 60s and 70s are the precursors to today's audiophiles. I don't think of audiophile as being a universal positive term. IMHO, too much attention is spent on 'gear' and not enough on the music. -- -- toc toc (AT) curmudgeon4 (DOT) us http://www.curmudgeon4.us/ I sort of agree with your view on interconnects, I think money is much better spent elsewhere. Being a Naim and vinyl person, I am probably guilty of being a bit of a gear snob. However, I cannot for the life of me understand how people can buy into the idea of $5000 power cables. I surmise that there **may** be minor differences, (and that is a big may), but the difference should be minuscule and may or may not even be better, let alone worthing $5000. But I do believe all the Slim people frequenting this board are more music lovers and are smarter with their gear setup. From their descriptions many of them have some pretty awesome and well chosen systems. A nice mix of people with open minds and well balanced left and right brains. -- agentsmith agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: enjoythemusic SB review
P Floding Wrote: Adequate for what? Are you talking about usage in a $500 system, or a $50 000 system? What other source compenent will it be as good as, when adequate? How much noise is adequate for the power supply to dump into the mains supply? My system is only circa $1,000- and the Power One external linear regulated power supply made my jaw drop. The most notable improvement for me was bass response. I had the hardest time placing my sub, and always had the gain on the sub amp to max. With the external supply there is some headroom for the sub amp, and bass is placed where the recording dictates, not where the sub is sitting. The soundstage itself became the whole front wall, rather than the area directly surrounding the mains. I can't locate my mains with my eyes closed anymore, on decent recordings anyway. Sibilance was reduced to the point of being able to enjoy cd's I had written off, but with no noticable loss of high frequency extension. Audience clapping used to sound like it was coming from 'onstage'. Now it sounds like the audience is behind the performers on some albums. As you can tell, I can't say enough about the improvement. The differences between power supplies are more dramatic than when I went from a cheap Sony DVD player to the Squeezebox analog out. I spent eight dollars on the surplus power supply, so I have no reason to *justify* my purchase. I use the analog output unmodded, so there is still tons of room for improvement. I'm even starting to question my desire for an external DAC. However, I can't see how one would worry about a single switching supply on your mains when there are tons of other devices in most homes that run on switching supplies. Perhaps it would be different if you had a dedicated circuit and ground for the system? -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21175 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: AES/EBU Interface?
Here's more information regarding the differences between AES/EBU and SPDIF: http://www.oade.com/cgi-bin/miva?Forum/technology/showmsg.mv+message=8747 -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21321 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
pablolie Wrote: You'll just hear a mediocre recording with higher resolution, but it'll remain mediocre. I thikn the average hifi system is superior to the average recording the music industry produces. Hmm. Upgrading my system made cd's I yearned to 'crank up' much more apt for doing so. Radiohead never sounded good on my system until I got everything just right. Doesn't mean it was a bad recording, just that I didn't have the right system for it. I certainly didn't buy B$W speakers to magically make it sound right though. Conversly, my Pink Floyd The Wall Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs has sounded _great_ even when I used a receiver, dvd player, and bose monitors. I wouldn't want all recordings to sound like that, because the engineering on some of these modern recordings blow me away. The newest Gorillaz album sounds leaps and bounds better than anything MFSL I've heard... If all the cd's you pick sound that bad, I'd suggest reconsidering the music you purchase :P -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Coax Isolation Transformer for my Subwoofers?
Have you tried a ground lifting plug? I'm talking about the $1 device that you use in old houses that don't have a 3 hole outlet. Try that first, and save your money. -- Brendan Brendan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4112 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21315 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + MF X-DAC v3?
Well - if you really want the extra euphony of the valves then yeah - get a second hand Tri-Vista or the X-10. However, I would say that was an optional tuning thing. In my system/room the TACT 2.2 made a MUCH bigger improvement than slinging a couple of valves across the DAC (and yes I've tried an X-10 - nice but to me not essential). I'd also say that putting a linear supply on the SB made a bigger improvement in top end sweetness than the X-10. Having said all that, if I had an X-10 in the house, it would be in-circuit - although that combo might be a bit too sweet for some. Certainly would reduce the edginess on some difficult (mostly pre 1990ish) recordings. -- Phil Leigh Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
pablolie Wrote: OK, so we can all crank up the passive-aggressive stanza here. There are a couple things in that post I wish I could take back, but that wasn't one of them. I didn't mean anything by it, sorry you took offense. Buying 5,000 compact discs and having 250 *good* ones is either poor selection or incredibly bad luck. It does beg the question, why further limit the resolution of the few good sounding ones you do have? pablolie Wrote: But the gating factor is the emotion - the gear itself and the sound quality has long stopped being a factor in my case. Whatever I play through whatever medium in my home system is going to sound pretty fantastic Fine and good. Don't suggest that mp3 is *almost* as good as FLAC though. Bit perfect is a completely different ballpark, eg if someone has an hdcd decoding external dac- mp3 has no chance. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: SB3 + MF X-DAC v3?
Hi there. I actually used my SB3 with my Quad CDP doing the DtoA conversion. The sound was much better than the SB3 analog outputs but I moved it to my bedroom as that's what was originally intended. It is running through a MF X-A1 integrated and Quad 11L speakers. I've recently bought a MF X-10D (Tube buffer) from Ebay...what a difference. Smoother sound, cleaner top end with much decreased sibilance and tighter bottom end. And the upgrade cost about 100 pounds. I don't know if you live anywhere near but you could have a listen if you want. I thought it was very good value for money. Not as good as my main cd player (MF A5) but then again...that;s not the intended purpose is it? SB3, Flac. -- stedes stedes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2695 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone using Quad 99 CDP with SB?
Hi there. Briefly used a Quad CD-P with the SB3 before it was moved to my bedroom as was originally intended. Must say that the sound was hugely different, being smoother with a less sibilant treble and tighter bass. It is expected if you think that the SB3 is essentially a 200pound router with a DAC and a screen and the CDP is a 1000 cd player with 24/192 upsampling. -- stedes stedes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2695 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21236 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
Weren't you arguing the merits of disk space and future support of the format? It doesn't matter to me that you get off on particular rituals and I think it's great that you realize that the point is to enjoy the music, but what does that have to do with choosing between MP3 and FLAC? The act of playing an MP3 track is much the same as the act of playing a FLAC track. You sit down, press a few buttons on your Squeezebox remote, and the music starts. Why use FLAC? - FLAC exactly preserves the original digital recording. - FLAC is available as source code. If there is never a new version of FLAC released, you will still be able to use the current one. If you buy a new computer with different architecture, you can re-compile FLAC and it will continue to work. The only case in which that would not be true is if the C programming language were not available for your chosen hardware. - Once you've ripped to FLAC, you never have to re-rip your collection again to change formats. With MP3 you will either have to re-rip or accept the loss of quality. Converting from MP3 to another lossy format compounds the loss of quality -- different formats throw out different information. If you decide to switch from MP3 to AAC to Vorbis, you'll have to re-rip every time or suffer generational losses. If you decide to switch from FLAC to Apple Lossless to Monkey Audio to some future lossless format, direct conversion from one format to the next involves no generational loss and can be automated. So what's the downside of FLAC? - Disk space. But disks are cheap. Cheap cheap cheap. If you don't want noisy disks near where you relax or work, don't put them there. Put them somewhere else. - Not as compatible with portable players, in terms of format and in terms of space. However, it's not hard to automate the process of duplicating your entire collection into some other format from the FLAC originals and store it in a separate directory, ready to use with your portable devices. So that's really back to the disk space issue. Did I mention that disks are cheap? -- John Stimson John Stimson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=218 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Group buy for Scientific Conversions Transformers
mamsterla Wrote: Hi: I ran a group buy for Scientific Conversions transformers and I got a first batch and realized that I placed the order wrong. So, I need to get a minimum for a second batch of orders. I also have some extras available. The web page for products is here: http://www.scientificonversions.com I need to get about 4 more transformers to make the minimum. Let me know if you are interested and I will do all the legwork. The pricing is $15 from SC - with shipping and tax it worked out to around $17.50 per transformer and then I would pass on straight shipping to anyone ordering. The turnaround is about 10 days. I have for sale 2 SC916-01 transformers. These are the kind recommended by GaryB for the source side (SB2/3). They are 1:1 and are the larger - non-SMD parts. I have used one successfully in my SB2 and could walk someone through the installation. Could you add another SC947-02 to my order, getting the total up to 4? I'll take one of the extra SC916-01 off of you as well, if that helps. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21347 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Group buy for Scientific Conversions Transformers
Patrik - sure. The 4 will be ordered as soon as I get a couple more (3 to be exact). I would be glad to add a SC916-01 as well. It is sitting next to me. -- mamsterla mamsterla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=469 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21347 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Anyone using a Shigaraki or Progession DAC?
I am glad everything turned out well for you. Keep us posted on the sound when you get it! ezkcdude Wrote: I wanted to update my situation with the fried DAC. Derek fixed it! I was sure it was toast, but apparently he just needed to change out the voltage regulators. I must have reversed the polarity which fried the regulator(s?). He's now sending it back to me. What a relief! Best news - he's not even charging me for his labor :) So, )p( if you're reading this, how's life with the NOS DAC after a few more weeks of listening? Are you still happy with it? -- crooner Squeezebox 3 Lite Audio DAC60 tube DAC Pioneer SX-1980 Vandersteen 2Ce Signature Vandersteen 2W crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=16741 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power supply
I have read variuos reviews claiming the power supply shipped with the SB3 is inferior to almost any off the shelf product availble on the market - is this really the case and can the BS designers got it that wrong? -- krs krs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4120 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21357 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power supply
krs wrote: I have read variuos reviews claiming the power supply shipped with the SB3 is inferior to almost any off the shelf product availble on the market - is this really the case Is this a flame troll? or a question? It is nearly impossible for such a claim to be real. The SD folks put a ton of effort into quality sound for a $300 retail product. Could they spend more and make it better? Sure, but lots of folks say it is already too expensive for their budgets. That Sean will talk about mods is an indication of how seriously SD is about quality, and about how great a company it is. Please take the flames elsewhere. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply
krs Wrote: is this really the case and can the BS designers got it that wrong? I assume you meant SB designers :) I personally think they did a great job designing from top to bottom, at an attractive price. Remember, only some people report hearing a difference. I would venture that a majority of people wouldn't hear any difference whatsoever. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21357 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Upgrading the Power Supply
OK anyone from Hong Kong here? Any one has any idea where to buy a decent linear power supply in Hong Kong? -- agentsmith agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
Buying 5,000 compact discs and having 250 *good* ones is either poor selection or incredibly bad luck. That's an ignorant thing to say. Listen to jazz recording until the early 70s. A 256kbps MP3 is not going to be the gating factor in the vast majority of cases. It does beg the question, why further limit the resolution of the few good sounding ones you do have? I don't. I own Accuphase gear, and fantastic speakers. catch up to that with a SQB. Good luck. You want to be obnoxious, 2 can play that game. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
tyler_durden Wrote: In another year or so, mp3 players will disappear because the cost of storage will be so low everyone will go lossless, first with lossless compression like flac. aac or wma, then in another couple years, you'll just be storing .wav files (for CDs, until you need to store 24 bit 96 ksps stuff). At the rate things are going, terabyte drives will be $100 in another 12-18 months. TD Although I agree with your sentiment, mp3's are not going to disappear any time soon. In fact, I bet if you ask 100 people, 80 of them will not even know that mp3 IS a compression scheme. Most people have no clue about format wars. That said, I have started using FLAC as an archival format, while I still play very high quality mp3's. I use LAME VBR at the highest quality setting, and on my system, I can't hear any difference between FLAC and these mp3's. But, that is my system and my ears. Of course, YMMV. -- ezkcdude ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply
One thing that people forgot about is for $300, a linear power supply would possibly add significant shipping cost. Also, a majority of the people would probably prefere a less bulky power supply. One possibility is to issue the Linear supply as an option, with additional shipping costs etc. -- agentsmith agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21357 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
... keep a copy of the encoder/decoder software on a CDROM .. Like the OS I use now will be around in 5 years... right. Good luck running that application then. In another year or so, mp3 players will disappear ... You're going a tad overboard. Out of all the encodings around, MP3 is still the most widely adopted one. No company in its right mind would discontinue its support and push away such a wide customer base. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
pablolie Wrote: I don't. I own Accuphase gear, and fantastic speakers. C Why then limit yourself to inferior compressed lossy material (MP3)? As for not wanting to expose defects in recordings. Well in this life nothing is perfect. I much rather live with those small recording imperfections than knowing some algorhythm software butchered the original. This somehow reminds me of the NO-Noise and CEDAR craze of the 80s and early 1990s. Much rather have HISS on my music than something artificially enhanced. -- crooner Squeezebox 3 Lite Audio DAC60 tube DAC Pioneer SX-1980 Vandersteen 2Ce Signature Vandersteen 2W crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
I must add I still have MP3 encoded material from years ago. I don't plan to get rid of it, since I have some rare material. For new rips though, I am totally FLAC. I have even ripped to FLAC some older 1940's Sinatra recordings. I could have used MP3 since most are low in fidelity. But HD space is no longer an issue. -- crooner Squeezebox 3 Lite Audio DAC60 tube DAC Pioneer SX-1980 Vandersteen 2Ce Signature Vandersteen 2W crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
pablolie Wrote: Like the OS I use now will be around in 5 years... right. Good luck running that application then. 5 years? I think you underestimate. Win 98 still has a very large user base and it's 8 years old now. I can still run DOS apps from the early 80's on my XP machine. Likewise, vi was written in 1976 and still runs frequently on pretty much every unix box I ever touch. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
pablolie Wrote: That's an ignorant thing to say. Listen to jazz recording until the early 70s. A 256kbps MP3 is not going to be the gating factor in the vast majority of cases. It is if you rip it from vinyl. Ignorance is ripping vinyl to mp3. FLAC is bliss. Sorry to be obnoxious :) pablolie Wrote: I don't. I own Accuphase gear, and fantastic speakers. Catch up to that with a SQB. And good luck. Maybe you're right, if you still get up and put the disc in the player. I'll take my FLAC on SB's DAC over your mp3 on accuphase's dac though, thanks. pablolie Wrote: You want to be obnoxious, 2 can play that game: you don't even realize your line of argument betrays your insecurity in your system's capabilities. My only line of argument is that you're not too good at choosing software. I don't understand the rest of your statement. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply
I have no idea what flame trolls are all about, but I wanted some feedback on something I thought was odd given the amount of effort gone in to putting the new SB3 together. I have nothing but praise for my now set aside SB1 PS - I did mean SB designers -- krs krs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4120 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21357 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply
agentsmith Wrote: One possibility is to issue the Linear supply as an option, with additional shipping costs etc. FLAME WAR! /joking I think saying a cheap linear supply is an upgrade is too general of a statement. The SD folks probably feel you'd have to feed the analog or digital section directly for it to be a truly significant upgrade. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21357 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Coax Isolation Transformer for my Subwoofers?
I'm not going to try the ground lifting plug. Tomorrow I am going to try to run the coax satellite cables through my monster power cleaner (I have the coax cables connected direct to the sat receiver from the wall atm) and see what happens..my hope is that it will help since the power cleaner is grounded by the electrical ground in my house. I'll post the results. -hal ps it has been a challenge to get a sat installer to come out and help with this issue...must be a tough thing to figure out/fix. -- hal9000 hal9000's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=983 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21315 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
Why then limit yourself to inferior compressed lossy material (MP3)? Great gear is about musicality even -or especially- when the source isn't perfect. Audiophile 101, really. I much rather live with those small recording imperfections an knowing some algorhythm software butchered the original. Since I have listened to the original and the MP3, I know for a fact the original has *not* been butchered. The music still sounds fantastic. At least on my gear, YMMV, etc. Much rather have HISS on my music than something tificially enhanced. How odd that based on the exact same premise -I seldom used Dolby compesation on my CCs- I arrive at exactly the opposite conclusion. Especially since I have never claimed MP3 encoding at any rate provides an enhancement. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
pablolie Wrote: I'll take my FLAC on SB's DAC over your mp3 on accuphase's dac though, thanks. As you said, ignorance is bliss. I'll add: 'you can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think'. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
I'll add: 'you can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think' The company you frequent is your business, I don't judge. :-) -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
pablolie Wrote: I'll add: 'you can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think' The company you frequent is your business, I don't judge. :-) I don't ride horses or whores, just return trifling cliches. All in good fun though. We're both here because music is important to us, but getting 'the best sound from your squeezebox' is not the most important thing in the world. Music has so much more to offer than being able to be realistically reproduced in a house, so in many ways I agree with you. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
Funny, Accuphase stands for accuracy and phase. MP3 is not accurate since it relies on destroying supposedly inaudible phase characteristics! -- crooner Squeezebox 3 Lite Audio DAC60 tube DAC Pioneer SX-1980 Vandersteen 2Ce Signature Vandersteen 2W crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
All in good fun though. We're both here because music is important to us, but getting 'the best sound from your squeezebox' is not the most important thing in the world. Agree with you on all counts. As I have stated before: I am very likely to re-digitize those recording that are important to me as FLACs in due time. First of all I have to see how much storage space I have left after I have achieved my primary objective, which is archiving my entire collection for convenience while mantaining acceptable sound. The current sound level and musicality of the set-up by far exceeds my original expectations, so I am ecstatic about it. My goal wasn't and isn't to maintain identical playback quality - I have been consistently clear about that. I can't recall telling ayone else what they should do when it comes to setting up their system or digitizing their collection, because I am not sure what their goals are. Perhaps I could have gone out to see if I could utterly replace my CD player. I am not even remotely close to that. My idiosynchrasies and preferences are just mine, not asking anyone else to adopt them. On the other hand, I think it's foolish for others to try to judge the results I get without having experienced them first hand. That's called dogma. And all I can say is I am not afflicted by it. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Power supply
I agree with Skunk. I can't hear any artifacts due to the stock power supply and my upstream equipment has very good regulation and S/N performance. I put my money on a good outboard DAC and this I can clearly hear! -- crooner Squeezebox 3 Lite Audio DAC60 tube DAC Pioneer SX-1980 Vandersteen 2Ce Signature Vandersteen 2W crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21357 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Where is the incredible sound?
pablolie Wrote: OK, so let's see - what is the ultimate benefit of phase accuracy? What does it help reproduce in a stereo recording? Phase accuracy plays a key role in soundstaging and imaging. It allows you to properly identify each instrument and it's relative position in the soundfield. A 256 kbps file may resemble the original in tone, but the alteration of phase relationships between channels will prevent the illusion of actual musicians performing in a space. Of course, recordings that are compressed and artificially processed in the studio will not have actual soundstaging of any sort. For those, I guess, MP3 at 256 kbps would do. As For me, I try to listen to recordings that are accurate and musical. Tough I know, specially when you like certain artists that are recorded like crap! -- crooner Squeezebox 3 Lite Audio DAC60 tube DAC Pioneer SX-1980 Vandersteen 2Ce Signature Vandersteen 2W crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21173 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: enjoythemusic SB review
In reading the Enjoy The Music review, I noticed the use of the latest Alison Krauss Union Station recording as an evaluation tool. While the music is excellent and Alison's voice has been recorded very well, this CD like most new relases has a lot of compression. It has been mastered to sound Loud. Not the ideal test material IMHO. Janis Ian's Breaking Silence or any of the Holy Cole CDs would have been preferrable. But then again those have been beaten to death by Stereophile! -- crooner Squeezebox 3 Lite Audio DAC60 tube DAC Pioneer SX-1980 Vandersteen 2Ce Signature Vandersteen 2W crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21175 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
