Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
haunyack;188075 Wrote: Unfortunately, because insulation stores and releases energy, it is also a dielectric. In a cable application, all released energy is distortion. The misnomer break-in is often used... Actually some of this is real science. A cable is made up of two conductors separated by an insulator, and therefore has capacitance. Dielectric absorption is real, and so is capacitance change with applied voltage. I've seen caps that reduce in value by 50% with just 5v applied across them - the effect is not always small. So, I can believe that at frequencies where the effect of a few pF is significant, applying a DC bias might indeed change the characteristics of the cable. Whether it makes any difference at audio frequencies is highly debatable, though. But what really makes me laugh is the idea that the effect is somehow persistent. It's not; discharge a capacitor to remove the dc bias from it again and it's back to its original state almost immediately. All this would be a lot more plausible too if the dc bias were actually between the conductors that carry the signal. It isn't... -- AndyC_772 AndyC_772's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter and Nuforce monobloks
harmonic;186688 Wrote: Hi all My main amp is a tact millenium . when i use the transporter as an transport into the emillennium the sound i get is very close to perfect . its no contest vs the ice amp wich is a moddified version of the asp1000 modul with a much larger power supply. But what i do like about the ice amp is its bass dynamics wich i thing is just a littel better then the mk3 and have thinking about a replacement of amp. But it better be pretty damm good to better the millennium mk3. Now the nuforce ref 9 se amps when i read about it it pretty much describes what i would like from a amplifire . Big bass dynamics grainfree treble layered soundstage that opens up bacwoards wich i thing is perfect for a smalle 16 sq meter room . My tact millennium tends to create the soundstage infront of the speakers wich is good but when you only sit 3 meter from the speakers it can make the soundstage to much in your face . So i kind of hope the ref se would be what i have been looking for . regards Does the TacT Millennium provide any parametric equaliser functions? If so, you should be able to get a soundstage that suits your room by adjusting, especially, the 3 kHz region. -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if you ask me.) P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33327 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audioengine 5 thread
325xi;188198 Wrote: I thought you might want to make a closer comparison by connecting SB3 and DAC to AE5 and listen to the same flacs... I was thinking along the same lines. Given that you (Moshulu) think that you understand the limitations of the MP3 player and format, it should be clear that you cannot consider your comparison to be a fair one. If the Audioengines were so good that they revealed the MP3 limitations, then they would be punished for being so revealing. If you use the SB3 and FLAC as the source for both, then you may or may not arrive at the same conclusion. If you have the time, I would be curious to know what you experience. Thanks. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33632 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter and Nuforce monobloks
P Floding;188255 Wrote: Does the TacT Millennium provide any parametric equaliser functions? If so, you should be able to get a soundstage that suits your room by adjusting, especially, the 3 kHz region. Yes it has the same eq crossover and delay functions as the Roomperfect amp fro lyngdorf audio Actually i have desided to keep it I had a shotout with the musical fidlity kw 750 and top line front end vs the moddifed tact millennium mk3 with a dvd player The mellennium sounded better in the areas of dimensionality resolution smothnes dynamics soundstage and detajl. Actually there is a paradox hear because the Musical fidility reference system sounded more digital then the millennium. The millennium sounded more musical also wich is the key hear. The music fidility bass was alittel stronger but only a littel. Speakers where audio physics calendra it was a shop demo so i couldent bring my Transporter but beleive me it sound massivly better then the dvd player I will upgrad my speakes instead because thise are the things that hold my system back. I will leave the nuforce behind for now regards -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33327 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter and Nuforce monobloks
harmonic;188267 Wrote: Yes it has the same eq crossover and delay functions as the Roomperfect amp fro lyngdorf audio Actually i have desided to keep it I had a shotout with the musical fidlity kw 750 and top line front end vs the moddifed tact millennium mk3 with a dvd player The mellennium sounded better in the areas of dimensionality resolution smothnes dynamics soundstage and detajl. Actually there is a paradox hear because the Musical fidility reference system sounded more digital then the millennium. The millennium sounded more musical also wich is the key hear. The music fidility bass was alittel stronger but only a littel. Speakers where audio physics calendra it was a shop demo so i couldent bring my Transporter but beleive me it sound massivly better then the dvd player I will upgrad my speakes instead because thise are the things that hold my system back. I will leave the nuforce behind for now regards Sounds like you visited Tape Connection. Did you use the DVD player also for the MF? -- johann johann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10177 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33327 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audioengine 5 thread
I have a pair mounted high up in my kitchen and apart from having to use the Inguz plugin to remove a bit of boxiness they sound fine, and they're pretty powerfull too. Craig -- Craig MC2Slim - Windows Shell and J River Media Center Integration for Squeezebox. http://www.duff-zapp.co.uk Craig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=96 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33632 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audioengine 5 thread
I've got a pair in my small office playing flac files directly through an external, 24-bit sound card. Since I'm playing at mostly low volume in an office setting, I use an equalizer to boost bass and treble response. However, I took them to the beach recently because my beach stereo ($1,000 list Denon CD/DVD system) was in the shop. I used an SB2 to play flac files in a much larger room (700 sq. ft.) at a much higher volume than my office. They handled the task better than the Denon system with higher maximum volume. Although bass response was impressive, I did hook up the Denon sub for a little extra kick. I'm certainly no audiophile when it comes to spending thousands on equipment, but I do appreciate clean, detailed audio with nice and punchy, but not overblown, bass. I'd recommend the Audioengines for any sub-audiophile application. -- Kyle Kyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2541 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33632 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter and Nuforce monobloks
johann;188268 Wrote: Sounds like you visited Tape Connection. Did you use the DVD player also for the MF? Yes exactly tape connection in copenhagen vesterbro. The millennium wich is sensetic to placment wher placed on the floor we hooked it up with semicore dvd player cant remember wich one. Im giving the audio physics Avanti some serius thourgts. i have only heard my moddified tact millennium mk3 with my owen tempoary speakers that cost me 1000 dkr (system audio ) before the audio physics regards -- harmonic harmonic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6879 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33327 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
opaqueice;188065 Wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that some audiophiles regard the opinions of untrained people, people with a direct financial interest in the subject, as more credible than those of disinterested professional scientists that do full-time research on it. Why? Well, actually it amazes me too, and whenever I go through these threads it always reminds me of this: http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/060810_evo_rank.html People like to believe in myths. Of course, when my new dac60 arrives I'll have it play continuously for at least a week :-) -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audioengine 5 thread
Kyle;188277 Wrote: ... I'd recommend the Audioengines for any sub-audiophile application. To me that includes everywhere except a place where I *really* focus on music. Mind you, I hate *bad* sound, but I don't need audiophile reference sound wherever I go - I just need musicality and balance. I always have the reference sound for the music in my ears, thus as long as it doesn't offend me, and I can hear one or the other detail that I find cool, I am ready. For example, in my home office I have a 7 year old set of Monsoon 700 for my PC - and they sound great, I *enjoy* listening to music through them (and they have the visual cool of being little dipole-radiating planar speakers) even though they were all of $150 at the time. Amazing staging, you feel ike there's a little Liliputian orchestra hideen behind your flat panel. :-) They Audioengines sound like they will keep up and then some. Which is all I need in the bedroom, honestly. I am no fan of exaggerated bass, but typically my main gripe about some settings is lack of bass extension and control, and some subwoofer systems -as my Monsoon 700- have a musical subwoofer, desgied to cplement the sound and not shake the walls. Even some over $1k monitor speakers are severly lacking in bass delivery when compared to larger setups, so I think the Audioengines may sound better in some places and for some application than expensive studio monitors. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33632 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audioengine 5 thread
pablolie;188326 Wrote: I am no fan of exaggerated bass, but typically my main gripe about some settings is lack of bass extension and control. The AE5's have a passive woofer port on the back that needs some room. The setup guide recommend 6-12 inches between the back of the speaker and the rear wall for best bass response. They're only rated down to 60 Hz, but I'm often impressed with the bass response when listening to music. I think you'll be pleased with their performance. -- Kyle Kyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2541 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33632 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC - WAV or ALAC on iTunes. (With some AIFF thrown in.)
It looks like the difference is entirely within my Mac. I can't tell WAV and ALAC apart when played on my meager system. Looks like I'll stay with ALAC for the size and tag benefits. Has anyone else experienced this, _or_ could it be that my system is showing me the difference? I'm planning for the future. I'd hate to finish this project, upgrade my system and then realize I've made a mistake. -- kphinney SB3 - Marantz ZR6001 - BW DM602's (considering a Tube DAC) kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33641 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power supply (technical)
Hello, I know very little about electricity, so please forgive my silly questions. I have read that upgrading the power supply benefits the SB's sound. Now, just for curiosity sake, how can Volts have a sound? Would the original power supply sound better if hooked on a computer ups battery? Also, aside from the fact that the SB's volume control is not recommended for audiophile listening, could you connect the SB to a power amplifier (provided it's the only source) and save the pre-amp? thanks for your time, -GianLuca -- gian gian's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6702 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33669 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review at Audioholics
johann;188170 Wrote: Yes I did together with a friend. Both analog there's a huge difference, where the SB sounds very thin and rolled of in the bass and rolled of but still edgy (in lack of better word) in the top. Room and space is much better with the Transporter. To sum it, it's a huge difference. Pairing the SB with a decent DAC (MF X-DACv3), the difference is not that big but the Transporter still is better with a smoother top end and better control. All IMVHO of course. Cheers, /Johan Interesting. Just to be clear, it was a blind test? -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC - WAV or ALAC on iTunes. (With some AIFF thrown in.)
Any truly audible difference among WAV and the lossless formats would have to be an anomaly specific to the audio playback chain. From an audio quality perspective, it should not matter, as you can always transcode if you really think it makes a difference, or even if you just change your mind around which lossless format you want. I suggest that you choose your format based upon other factors, e.g., comfort level with tools, concerns around open vs. proprietary formats, etc. Personally, I would go with FLAC, but I am not an Apple/Itunes/DRM fan and I value the non-proprietary format. -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3986 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33641 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC - WAV or ALAC on iTunes. (With some AIFF thrown in.)
Life would be a lot easier if Apple supported FLAC, but I suppose that's a topic for another thread... and a brief search reveals that it's been kicked around a bit already. -- kphinney SB3 - Marantz ZR6001 - BW DM602's (considering a Tube DAC) kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33641 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power supply (technical)
The SB3 has an external switched-mode PSU (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switched-mode_power_supply) which some claim can have a high-frequency noise on the 5V output (hence the ferrite-core on the wire to suppress this), This noise could affect the DAC in the SB3. -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33669 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power supply (technical)
As for connecting the SB3 directly to a power amp, it would be better (for audio quality and safety reasons) to use some type type of preamp. Many here use passive preamps which can be inexpensive. -- Jitterbug Jitterbug's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33669 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audioengine 5 thread
They should probably be compared to something like a modest NAD or Rotel amp and a good $200 set of unpowered speakers. That's really the market they are competing with. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33632 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power supply (technical)
Jitterbug wrote: As for connecting the SB3 directly to a power amp, it would be better (for audio quality and safety reasons) to use some type type of preamp. Many here use passive preamps which can be inexpensive. I beg to differ. There can be no audio quality improvement in adding anything to the audio chain. And there have been many threads on direct connection of a SqueezeBox to an amp. With proper gain matching, there is no safety issue. You may need attenuators, Sean Adams pointed out some high quality and reasonably priced models. Audiophile passive preamps tend to be very pricey for what the do, which is nearly nothing by switching. To be direct. You do not _need_ a preamp when using a SqueezeBox or Transporter. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AIFF vs Apple lossless
In latest UHF magazine in the article about modding the power supply to the SB, the author mentions that there 'is a slight but noticeable' difference in audio quality between Apple lossless and AIFF. Please tell me this isn't so! I don't want to re-rip my entire cd collection! -- mmg_fan mmg_fan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9157 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33671 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Power supply (technical)
No real disagrement here. By improved audio quality, I was referring to using an analogue volume control rather than the squeezebox one. To me, a minimal passive preamp is just an attenuator. I use a DACT model built into a power amp with no other cicuitry. There are certainly cheaper solutions around. -- Jitterbug Jitterbug's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33669 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FLAC - WAV or ALAC on iTunes. (With some AIFF thrown in.)
kphinney;188348 Wrote: It looks like the difference is entirely within my Mac. I can't tell WAV and ALAC apart when played on my meager system. Looks like I'll stay with ALAC for the size and tag benefits. Has anyone else experienced this, _or_ could it be that my system is showing me the difference? I'm planning for the future. I'd hate to finish this project, upgrade my system and then realize I've made a mistake. Could you describe the applications and system things (mixers etc) involved in playback, and how they differ, if at all, between ALAC and WAV? -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if you ask me.) P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33641 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AIFF vs Apple lossless
mmg_fan;188364 Wrote: In latest UHF magazine in the article about modding the power supply to the SB, the author mentions that there 'is a slight but noticeable' difference in audio quality between Apple lossless and AIFF. Please tell me this isn't so! I don't want to re-rip my entire cd collection! It isn't so. -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if you ask me.) P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33671 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
Yes, this is America's great shame. The lunatics are running the assylum. For more interesting info about how religion has had its influence on American society, read this: http://moses.creighton.edu/jrs/2005/2005-11.html TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
I too have a natural scepticism about device and theories of this type. However, I also see that while science has done a good job of explaining the more obvious phenomenon in this world, its success has meant that we have effective reinvented the world we perceive from the coarse building block science affords us. Such reduction to coarseness and rejection of subtlety and the unexplained hinders future scientific progress. The father of classical physics was also an enthusiastic alchemist and that did stop him formulating laws to explain planetary motion or inventing calculus. There is much that is readily observable that science can not explain and no honest scientist would deny that. I know nothing of Jim Hagermans break-in devices, but as a previous customer of one of his more prosaic kits, echo Gary's comment that he is one of the good guys in diy audio. Certainly, his promotion of this device gives me cause to ponder. -- Jitterbug Jitterbug's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
Most people aren't scientists, and thus usually don't understand what it is. The main goal of science is do build a model of an observed phenomenon that can be used to predict its behavior under different conditions. Also, when someone bemoans the ignorance of 'science', it is often because they are reading stupidified reports by journalists. Burn-in and, another favorite, cryogenics, are real physical phenomena abused by the hucksters and their ignorant marks. For some truly wacky nonsense, check out this raving lunatic: http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue30/belt.htm. -- Wilfred Wilfred's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q: What exactly is break or burn in time?
tyler_durden;188372 Wrote: For more interesting info about how religion has had its influence on American society, read this: http://moses.creighton.edu/jrs/2005/2005-11.html TD Interesting article TD! Thanks... -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Review in Hi-Fi News (UK)
Please people, before making such wildly speculative conclusions about Hifi News reviews or British Hifi magazines in general, just go read the darn review first! The Hifi News reviews are technically sound. Their review process consists of two independent test tracks: one performed by the reviewers by listening and comparing to other similar equipment, and the other by thoroughly measuring the equipment. The measurements are done by Miller Audio Reseach - you can download the measurements for yourself from http://www.milleraudioresearch.com/avtech/. After all that's been done the reviewers try to correlate what they heard through their listening tests with the independently recorded measurement results. It's usually quite amazing how well the listening tests correlate with the measurement results! Here's an excerpt from the Miller Audio measurement results: Measured via its fixed balanced outputs using both 48kHz an 96kHz/24-bit data, the Transporter emerges as an impressive and slick design that offers an excellent technical performance (low THD and wide S/N), only partially let down by a relatively weak jitter rejection. ...[snip] Measured against this backdrop, the moderate 1000psec jitter is a tad disappointing and, being largely data-induced in nature, looks to be a by-product of the S/PDIF input receiver rather than the DAC itself... After noting that the Townshend CDP sounded much better than the Transporter the reviewer writes the following: This outcome might seem surprising in light of the Transporter's mostly exemplary measured performance, but the results of Paul Miller's jitter test may hold the key. While data-induced jitter can make reproduced music sound bland, in Paul's words, the jitter figures recorded here are moderate, rather than debilitating Then a paragraph later the reviewer writes: But there is still a puzzle here, in that Stereophile's recent review of the Transporter - published after I'd already begun my assessment - elicited much lower jitter figures, despite using the same measurement hardware, and reached more positive conclusions about its sound quality. This may suggest that our review sample wasn't in the rudest of health but, until we test another, we have to assume that it is representative of the 230V incarnation. However that pans out, the conclusion for now has to be that the Transporter, despite its broad capability, attractive design and fine perfomance on the test bench in most respects, doesn't quite deliver on its promise of high-end sound quality. It simply lacks the resolution to mix it with the best of conventional audio. For those that didn't read the Stereophile review of the Transporter, they can find it here: http://www.stereophile.com/mediaservers/207slim/ The measured jitter results in the Stereophile test was in the region of 250psec - a third of what was measured in the UK version of the Transporter. For comparison purposes, really good DACS and CD players have jitter figures in the region of 20psec. So, in my mind the Hifi News review was objective and very honest - that's something that can't be said of many other Hifi magazines! -- Jaco Jaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10726 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audioengine 5 thread
Pale Blue Ego;188359 Wrote: They should probably be compared to something like a modest NAD or Rotel amp and a good $200 set of unpowered speakers. That's really the market they are competing with. Well, this is where they probably stand, but since I have no idea how $200 speakers sound, I intentionally asked for a comparison with more expensive gear... Not what's better, but rather how much worse they are. But here we come to the next question - can one do better for the money? Not for exactly $349.99, but, well, this price range... -- 325xi 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33632 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audioengine 5 thread
Pale Blue Ego;188359 Wrote: They should probably be compared to something like a modest NAD or Rotel amp and a good $200 set of unpowered speakers. That's really the market they are competing with. Maybe, maybe not. It depends on the setup. It would not be the first time I see someone with a supposed audiophile setup abuse the loudness setting because of a bass complex. Again - some monitor speakers are lacking when it comes to foorstanding designs with more volume. It's natural - not many passive monitor speakers focus on bass delivery. It's application driven. -- pablolie pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33632 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Review in Hi-Fi News (UK)
That magazine has lost pretty much all credibility in recent years. I have nothing against Black Sabbath but I can't imagine using this to evaluate audio equipment. -- crooner SB3 with Custom Linear Power Supply Lite Audio DAC-60 Tube DAC VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Review in Hi-Fi News (UK)
Agreed! That rag has lost all of their credibility in recent years. slimkid;185303 Wrote: The fact that somebody would use Black Sabbath to do any kind of audio comparison seriously undermines their credibility. -- crooner SB3 with Custom Linear Power Supply Lite Audio DAC-60 Tube DAC VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2 Audio Research PH3, SP16L and VS110 Vandersteen 2Ce signatures, 2W subwoofer. crooner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3379 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audioengine 5 thread
Has anyone compared the Audioengine with the Jbl Control 1, with a budget amplification ? -- gian gian's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6702 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33632 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
