Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
esbrewer - try doing the sweep again, though you should be able to see anything odd by comparing the sweeps in Audacity. BTW - I have found a way of graphing the freq responses *with* mic calibration. Attached are the same graphs as before (blue original measured, light blue Minimal RC measured, and green 17 band equaliser). Looks to me like RC is having trouble correcting my sub, so I will try reducing it's gain to give DRC an easier time. I'm a little concerned by the trough at 70Hz so I might try moving my xover. +---+ |Filename: graph_orig_minm_subcm.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3518| +---+ -- mortod mortod's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable Audio review of SB3
mister pig;232741 Wrote: Yes headphones are a valuable tool in the recording studio. But they are not the only device used. recordings are mixed down through studio monitors also. Many sound engineers have a variety of systems they use to evaluate the final mix. headphones have their own set of strengths, but are also limited in their ability to present the spatial complexity of music. Personally I am not a fan of them, I dont like the in your head feel to the music. I have to disagree with the point of soundstaging being in the mind of the listener. More than one person can listen to a piece of music on a system and accurately describe the position of instruments and vocalists. It is repeatable. So therefore the phonomenon exists within a recording. How it is achieved is a different issue. Sure some of it is artifical, and at other times it is due to skilled recording techniques. Never the less it is part of the recording, and can't be reproduced by headphones. It is possible to hear the amount of reflection or ambient information in a recording, but the spatial scope of the recording is lost. As you may guess, I am not a fan of headphones. In theory they should eliminate alot of issues. Room reflections are taken out of the equation. bass response has a unique texture to it that loudpseakers cannot replicate. Each ear is fed the precise signal, so it should be better. Yet the scale of amusic presentation is lost. Or the illusion of a musical peformance. So that is why I am not a fan of them. This is a long post. But I am reminded of another matter. A couple of years ago I bought a pair of Acoustat 1+1 speakers. Wonderful condition, and well regarded electrostats. I didnt't keep them because the longer I listened to them, everything sounded the same. Recodings that should have sounded different did not. All music had the same feel or signature to it. I dont know if it was due to the thicker nature of the mylar sheet that Acoustat used. Or if it was due to the transformers that comprised the crossover network(actually more of a filter system). But I do know what I heard. Recordings that should not have sounded the same did. Now it can be construed that I am using the something is wrong with your gear since you cant hear what I hear arguement. Thats a valid point. All I ask, if possible is this. If you listen to the same tracks on a decently set up pair of speakers, are your experiences replicated. I am not sure that headphones are capable of displaying the differences between the two formats. Or at least it makes it harder to hear. This is a long post, but thanks for taking the time to see it to the end. Al I am trying to do is hold an intelligent discussion of what people experience. Not just what is theoretically possible. Some of the posts in this thread have gotten boarderline nasty, although I understand the posters point of reference. I may not have he technical background to understand how the software behind the SB works, but in the end I know what I hear. Personally I would prefer it if the lossless system worked as well. It would save me disc space, and make transfering music to IPODS even more convenient. But in the end, all I want is the best sound possible. Regards Mister Pig [long post] Mister Pig (great name BTW!): 1) I'm well aware of what goes on in studios :o) - my point was that headphones are generally used as an analytical tool for dissecting mixes and spotting problems etc. Of course full range (and nearfield) monitors are used for the final mixdown balancing etc. 2) Stereo is a complete illusion, recreated by the brain which as RB said is doing some powerfull DSP to do this. The less work the brain has to do to achieve what it feels to be a realistic synthesis, the better the listener feels about the sound. This is the underlying cause of listener fatigue IMHO. Remember that single microphones have no concept of left or right (or up and down for that matter!) only louder/quieter, nearer/further. Stereo works because we have two ears and a brain - and by supplying the ears with a suitable signal we can recreate the impression of the original soundfield. Anything that has been close-mic'd or multitracked has to be manipulated to produce a suitable soundfield. In the simplest case this is achieved by positioning an instrument within the soundfield by panning it left/right. At the end of the day, the engineer will position an instrument more left or right by altering its volume - that's all. OK so he/she might delay it and eq it as well. The fact that two or more people can listen to the same track and place the instruments in the same soundfield location is testament to the fact that our ears and brains work in the same ways. For exactly the same reason, we humans can generally agree on the concepts of red, sweet, rough etc. I respectfully ask you read this link as it explains the stereo illusion much more
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable Audio review of SB3
Phil Leigh;232872 Wrote: [long post] Mister Pig (great name BTW!): 1) I'm well aware of what goes on in studios :o) - my point was that headphones are generally used as an analytical tool for dissecting mixes and spotting problems etc. Of course full range (and nearfield) monitors are used for the final mixdown balancing etc. 2) Stereo is a complete illusion, recreated by the brain which as RB said is doing some powerfull DSP to do this. The less work the brain has to do to achieve what it feels to be a realistic synthesis, the better the listener feels about the sound. This is the underlying cause of listener fatigue IMHO. Remember that single microphones have no concept of left or right (or up and down for that matter!) only louder/quieter, nearer/further. Stereo works because we have two ears and a brain - and by supplying the ears with a suitable signal we can recreate the impression of the original soundfield. Anything that has been close-mic'd or multitracked has to be manipulated to produce a suitable soundfield. In the simplest case this is achieved by positioning an instrument within the soundfield by panning it left/right. At the end of the day, the engineer will position an instrument more left or right by altering its volume - that's all. OK so he/she might delay it and eq it as well. The fact that two or more people can listen to the same track and place the instruments in the same soundfield location is testament to the fact that our ears and brains work in the same ways. For exactly the same reason, we humans can generally agree on the concepts of red, sweet, rough etc. I respectfully ask you read this link as it explains the stereo illusion much more clearly than I can http://www.ambiophonics.org/App_B_ambiophonics_2nd_edit.htm 3) In the interest of science and to address your concern about headphones, I repeated the test again using speakers (had to wait for an empty house!). I fully understand that you are not necessarily going to buy this but guess what? I could not tell the difference between streamed flac or wav. Test methodology was as before. Replay system was: SB3-Altmann JISCO+UPCI-TACT 2.2x(digital coax i/o, upsampling to 96Khz for output) MF DACX-v3+PSU, MF X-10 Tube Buffer, Linn 5103, 3xLinn LK140 amps with Aktive crossovers fitted, Linn Espeks (ceramic bases, spiked into the floor) Townshend Supertweeters, Linn Seizmik sub, Kimber 8TC speaker cables, Russ Andrews mains leads, Chord Reference i/c's (digital coax is all Kimber silver). Sorry about all the K's :o) Hope you find this interesting Regards Phil [/long post] Hi Phil, That is interesting. I really don't have any vested interest in this debate, personally a lossless format would be more convenient. Makes me wonder if I have a set up issue in ITunes that is creating a problem. Since I store my music in uncompressed WAV does the SB program have to convert to FLAC and then return to WAV? I wonder if I rip with a lossless encoding to start with? I do know that at this time, the two formats do not sound the same. So there must be something responsible for this variation. Any recommendations then on where to look? Regards Mister Pig -- mister pig mister pig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12566 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38258 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe Golfdane's setup: SB3 with MF X-DACv3 and X-PSUv3. Amp is Holfi Pre8/Power8. Speakers are Martin Logan Aerius i's and sub is an AudioPro Ace-Bass 2. Interconnects are a mixture of Supra EFF-ISL's and Audioquest. Speakercables are MIT Terminator III. Powerstrip is a Supra, and powercables are DH Labs. Also seen is my old STD305M turntablewith Holfi Ellipse RIAA, my 200W ClassD DYI amp (not in use since it injects noise on the TV signal), my LG RH-7500 HD Recorder, my old Pioneer DV-717 DVD, a Playstation 3 and on the wall hangs a Panasonic 42 PV60E. On the floor sits the old MF X-Ray CD, waiting for a buyer. +---+ |Filename: PICT3357.JPG | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3519| +---+ -- golfdane golfdane's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13420 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable Audio review of SB3
Mr Pig, (I laugh every time I type that - I presume that was intentional?) Can you explain how you rip from CD and store your music at the moment, and what part iTunes plays in these processes? I wonder if we can get to the bottom of this. Also, what settings do you have active in File Types in SlimServer when you compare FLAC vs WAV? Cheers Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38258 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable Audio review of SB3
mister pig;232884 Wrote: Hi Phil, That is interesting. I really don't have any vested interest in this debate, personally a lossless format would be more convenient. Makes me wonder if I have a set up issue in ITunes that is creating a problem. Since I store my music in uncompressed WAV does the SB program have to convert to FLAC and then return to WAV? I wonder if I rip with a lossless encoding to start with? I do know that at this time, the two formats do not sound the same. So there must be something responsible for this variation. Any recommendations then on where to look? Regards Mister Pig You've probably checked this, but replay gain is an obvious possible culprit. Sometimes ripping programs alter the audio data (even when you're ripping to a lossless format) - they apply a level adjustment during the ripping process, so that the file is permanently altered. Other times slimserver (or itunes or whatever) will apply a volume adjustment when the file is played (there can be a tag in the FLAC data for that), so that the audio data is unaltered, but when it's played with replayagain switched on the level will be different than a WAV file. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38258 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable Audio review of SB3
Yes and you'll recall that tripped me up the first time I did the test, since replaygain tags only work on FLAC files and not WAV... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38258 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable Audio review of SB3
Phil Leigh;232900 Wrote: Yes and you'll recall that tripped me up the first time I did the test, since replaygain tags only work on FLAC files and not WAV... ...yet WAV can still be influenced by those awful normalization schemes! And iTunes is the sort of program that might do this without asking you. -- Mark Lanctot 'Sean Adams' Response-O-Matic checklist, patent pending!' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=200910postcount=2) Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38258 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable Audio review of SB3
Mark Lanctot wrote: ...yet WAV can still be influenced by those awful normalization schemes! Normalization is evil. Sadly, it is used fairly frequently, with very bad consequences. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
mortod;232798 Wrote: BTW - I have found a way of graphing the freq responses *with* mic calibration. Can you please provide more info on how you did this? Thanks, muski -- muski SB3-Bryston BP25DA-Bryston 4B SST-Wilson Watt Puppy 7 Transporter via XLR-Headroom Max Balanced Headphone Amp-Balanced AKG701s HD650s muski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3670 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
Isn't your final filter, for example normal.wav, exactly that, with mic correction and applied filter? -- nuhi nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bits vs. Hertz - Bit depth or sampling rate more important for audio?
pablolie;232772 Wrote: ...mean very little. A high res recording of any kind may still be so lousy that it was not worth recording at that quality. I'll take an old school, good recording at lower resolutions, hiss and all, if it truly ir recorded with musicality and neutrality first in mind. Technology comes in a distant second... Sure, sure...but this is a case of everything else being equal except which format to use for capturing. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38964 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
I was plotting the NoCorrection TestConvolution, but looking again I'm not so sure that that is the same as the measured impulse response with mic correction (you would expect the NoCorrection filter to be a flat line but it is not). So what is the purpose of the NoCorrection filter? -- mortod mortod's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
My understanding is that the NoCorrection filter does freq response correction only (ie no phase correction). Also, I believe that the TestConvolution files don't apply mic correction. An earlier post mentioned that the REQW developers might add a feature to apply a mic cal file to an imported Impulse Response (now it only applies it to recordings done with REQW) Inguz, chime in if I'm wrong on this. muski -- muski SB3-Bryston BP25DA-Bryston 4B SST-Wilson Watt Puppy 7 Transporter via XLR-Headroom Max Balanced Headphone Amp-Balanced AKG701s HD650s muski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3670 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Affordable Audio review of SB3
On 10/4/07 6:15 PM, Pat Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: opaqueice wrote: Have you ever listened to a binaural recording over headphones? You'll find yourself looking over your shoulder for the person you heard walking behind you. The illusion is far, far beyond anything I've ever heard with speakers. However there seem to be very few such recordings, for reasons I've never understood. Maybe it's because wearing headphones for an extended period is annoying and uncomfortable... They are very interesting. They are rare because they sound great with headphones, but not so good elsewhere. In the olden days of last century, most music was heard on car radios. The binaural recordings are not that hard to make, but you can't do the usual 'fix it in the mix' stuff, you have to have real musicians. Plus the record stores would have to carry two versions of each CD, and at least half the time, they'd sell the wrong one. Here's a contradiction to the assertions that you need 'real' (OK, at least 'alive') musicians and that you can't 'fix it in the mix'! http://zenph.com/sept25.html (New digitally posthumously 're-performed' stereo recordings of Glenn Gould's 1955 performance of the Goldberg Variations - optionally available as a binaural recording from Gould's position at the keyboard!) ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
The killer for me on this Randi application is the pretest. It states that JREF will run you through a pretest which is specifically stated NOT to be your protocol, and it doesn't sound like you have any say in the matter of the pretest. So lets say you come up with a protocol you like using your equiptment or whatever. They can have you go to their headquarters with the cable hooked up to a boom box and if you can't tell the difference in that situation they deny your application. Well with that sort of clause they can do whatever they want to throw out any applicant they want. The other one thats interesting is the media presence clause. In order to be an applicant you have to be a celebrity, or published, or have a recomendation from someone they will consider an expert that you have this ability. So not only do you have to prove it to Randi, you have to prove it to somebody on their expert list FIRST. This is fair? John S. PS I use 18 gauge long crystal magnet wire for my speaker cable, about $2 per foot. I usually CAN hear the difference with expensive cables, they almost always sound worse than the magnet wire. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
Phil i can highly recommend Linn's Akurate range of amplifiers. i'm using 3 x Akurate Chakra C4200's in an aktiv setup (Kabers). they run cool and importantly - Quietly!-. i'm really enjoying the SB3 thru' this lot. dennis Phil Leigh;231727 Wrote: I'm a Linn devotee (sort of - I love their active speakers and I am devoted to my 5103) - but I won't be buying a Klimax. Like a lot of their recent output, this is hideously overpriced. I would expect it to sound very good indeed - which means it will be very close in nature (if not voicing) to the Transporter. Since my dealer hasn't really forgiven me for selling my CD12, I'm unlikely to get a home demo...pity. However, I will need to change my amps at some point... -- dennis55 dennis55's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8884 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Sure it's fair. If they didn't have any filters on this they would have every yahoo in north america trying to win their $1M. Imagine spending the rest of your life going through test after test with people who refuse to believe in the laws of nature. -- Bizarroterl Bizarroterl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13250 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Bizarroterl;233043 Wrote: with people who refuse to believe in the laws of nature. And messing up the restroom. . -- haunyack Transporter - BK R200.2 - Vandersteen 3A Signature. (Listening room) SB3 (RWA analog) - Rotel RB1070 - BW Matrix 805. (Bedroom) Fridgidare - Mirror Pond pale ale - easy chair w/remote - irritated neighbors. haunyack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
Have a look at the tests they've done in the past. If people could actually do what they claim they would have lost their $1M long ago. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe Main system: SB3-Bryston BP25DA-Bryston 4B SST-Wilson Watt Puppy 7 Headphone rig (see post #555 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817page=56 for a photo): Transporter via XLR-Headroom Max Balanced Headphone Amp-Balanced AKG701s HD650s Placement is totally about WAF -- it's either this or the speakers go back in the crates. Hence I am big fan of InguzEQ! I run Slimserver/Inguz on a MacBook Pro with a 160GB hard drive. muski +---+ |Filename: IMG_3062.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3522| +---+ -- muski muski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3670 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 Question: Should there be a new forum for photos? - yes - no - maybe Main system: SB3-Bryston BP25DA-Bryston 4B SST-Wilson Watt Puppy 7 Headphone rig (see post #555 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showth...=19817page=56 for a photo): Transporter via XLR-Headroom Max Balanced Headphone Amp-Balanced AKG701s HD650s Placement is totally about WAF -- it's either this or the speakers go back in the crates. Hence I am big fan of InguzEQ! I run Slimserver/Inguz on a MacBook Pro with a 160GB hard drive. muski +---+ |Filename: IMG_3045.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3525| +---+ -- muski muski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3670 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19817 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Million dollars to prove cables areworth money
In his masterpiece, Leo Beranek came up with what is commonly referred to as Beranek's law. It is intended to warn loudpeaker designers from drinking their own Kool-Aid. It has been remarked that if one selects his own components, builds his own enclosure, and is convinced he has made a wise choice of design, then his own loudspeaker sounds better to him than does anyone else's loudspeaker. In this case, the frequency response of the loudspeaker seems to play only a minor part in forming a person's opinion. L.L. Beranek, Acoustics (McGraw-Hill, New York, 1954), p.208. Perhaps the situation also pertains to cables and cable designers? Perhaps some cables sound different than other. Do they sound better? Worse? Does it have to sound better in order to justify 7k or does sounds funny also warrants a high tag? What does better sound like? I don't know why the Pear manufacturer doesn't just do a blind AB-ing test and take the million. Results can't be contested, it is cheap and there are many AES researchers who can manage such a test. Should be the easiest thing to do... -al -- assafl assafl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38902 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linn Klimax DS - Network Music Player
dennis55;233036 Wrote: Phil i can highly recommend Linn's Akurate range of amplifiers. i'm using 3 x Akurate Chakra C4200's in an aktiv setup (Kabers). they run cool and importantly - Quietly!-. i'm really enjoying the SB3 thru' this lot. dennis Dennis - exactly what I was thinking of! :o) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... ...SB3+TACT+Altmann+MF DACXV3/Linn tri-amped Aktiv 5.1 system and some very expensive cables ;o) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38815 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
